Who's The Foxiest Rock Critic?

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Inspired by the Ultragrrrl thread: What music scribe would you serve a five star rating to (and then some)? What VH-1 talking head makes your head talk? Who makes your personal Pazz and Jop list? Who are you hundred hottest hotties of the glossies?

Turn on your sarcasm meters now!

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 2 April 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

First one to a fat pic of Jim Dero wins!

― djdee2005, Friday, 2 April 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Serena Altschul. Although I don't quite think "talking head" = "critic", but whatever.

Her dad is totally awesome too.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to have a crush on Jancee Dunn and i don't care who knows it! I think she's a fine writer.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm with you scott.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"Whispering" Bob Harris

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't simon reynolds look a little like ned raggett? in other words, hubba hubba!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i just always remember the time i was sitting between two lady music writers at a DIA conference, and simon reynolds was on stage, and they were both drooling, all,"He looks just like LOU BARLOW!," "..And he talks like a SCIENTIST!!!" (More recently, it seems, Kelefa Sanneh would seem to be a frequent object of discussion of a similar sort.)

― chuck, Friday, 2 April 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

So is it sad of me to think he's still kind of cute? I guess it is.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

kelefa is indeed a beautiful man

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom Passantino / Jess Harvell.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

She isn't a critic, but Kennedy from MTV (and now apparently any variety show on VH1) could GET IT.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

There are several v good UK answers to this but they all post to ILx and decorum/shyness/modesty/etc forbid me.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ditto US

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom Passantino / Jess Harvell.

http://johnthaw.topcities.com/images/swguns.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I was browsing through CDs at Virgin Megastore and one had a sticker on the front that said "Featuring Kennedy!!!" or something - was that Kennedy the GOP VJ?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

as long as it wasn't "Bizarro"

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 2 April 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Jane Pratt still makes my heart skip a beat - does she count?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 2 April 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

kennedy, jane pratt, and (sigh)serena altshul aren't critics. even the sainted jancee dunn rarely if ever writes reviews. try harder, gang!

― lovebug starski, Friday, 2 April 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

xgau: the dean of sexiness!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 April 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a trick question, isn't it?

― mike a, Friday, 2 April 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Joe Levy could play this guy in Avengers: The Movie so he's definitely the (Star)foxiest.

http://www.antaninet.it/marvel-universe/s/starfox.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it would be gauche for me to reply

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Kelefa definitely wins the male division. female? hmmm. I'm not going near that.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 2 April 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Lorraine Ali...you fools.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:BGzT5XeFCPMJ:www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-03-15/music_feature2-1.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 April 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Glad to see so many people getting a kick out of my sarcastic little thread. I agree that talking heads aren't critics, but I was referring to music critics who are also talking heads on VH-1,etc. And I also so desperately wanted to use my "talking head" joke. Har-de-har?

I'm one of the two lady rock critics who described Simon Reynolds (who I've never met) as a Lou Barlow dropping science. A good friend of mine with very discriminating tastes briefly had a crush on Jancee Dunn until he read her Jar Jar Binks piece in Rolling Stone. If I could have crushes on girl rock critics, I too, would pick Lorraine Ali as well as Jeanne Fury. JF's my hero.

Since I'm pathologically attracted to nerds who are music obsessives, it makes sense that I'd be attracted to rock critics, but whether I've dated, befriended, or just merely crushed on them, it invariably ends in tears. And since the dawn of geek chic, all the male rock critics that I've loved can now date skinny flatchested chicks with turned-up noses and cheekbones like geometry. In my experience, male rock critics don't like girls like me (short, not skinny, squirrely-faced, total weirdo) This is why I date hotel concierges. I get the free shows, he gets the free hotel rooms. It's a system that works.

The funny thing is, dorky guys can date hot chicks. It almost never happens the other way around.

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 2 April 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Almost forgot: I enjoyed all of the talking heads on Egotrip's special on racism on VH-1. (I didn't catch all their names because I tuned in too late to see their captions). They were both stimulating intellectually and aesthetically. I wish VH-1 would run specials like this more often. It was very funny and thought-provoking.

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 2 April 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The funny thing is, dorky guys can date hot chicks. It almost never happens the other way around.

I was about to disagree, but hey -- I'm young! Here's hoping you're right (about the first sentence at least).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

. In my experience, male rock critics don't like girls like me (short, not skinny, squirrely-faced, total weirdo)

ha ha you are out of your mind

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

COME TO PAPA CHUNKY WEIRD-FACED GIRLS

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I'd tend to agree. Dorky girls can be hot. Unless you are into Weird Al and Christianity and wear large novelty earings like the girl who does a radio show after me. Thats not hot.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm just reeling because sara's description is just about everyone i've ever dated, both pre- and post-rock cricketing

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Strongo, I'm not out of my mind, I live in Philadelphia. And after seeing how harsh people were towards Ultragrrrl's appearance, I was thinking, if she's considered "ugly," then boy am I in trouble, and merely pointing out the double standard in gender and appearance. Ugly dudes can date pretty girls. How many ugly or average girls do you see with hot guys? But seriously, I have no idea, I'm going by my own shitty luck before I settled down with a nice non-rock critic dude about five years ago. When I peek out into the single world via my unattached friends (male and female), I'm glad I'm not there, because not much has changed at all.

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 2 April 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

post-rock cricketing = surely the best thing evah

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Jess is in Philly! And I've got the same dating record and I'm in State College, PA!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the pressing question is why tall guys keep dating short girls (at least this is what tall girls have complained to me).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a mutt and jeff kinda thing

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i am so confused by this: Ugly dudes can date pretty girls.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, yeah, all the girls i've dated have been pretty. maybe there should be scare quotes around "pretty girls".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

dan clowes to thread, obv

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm 5'1" and tall guys usually can't even see me. Tell the tall girls to give me their legs. I'm sorry if I'm being cranky, I meant nothing but fun. It's rainy and crappy and I don't want to leave my house to go to do my show. It's good to see nerdy girls getting props. It doesn't happen nearly enough. Strongo, I've seen lots of ugly or average dudes with gorgeous girls.

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 2 April 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's get back to this me resembling Simon thing. So since Kevin Shields ripped off my look, WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEEEEEAN?

Sara, of course, rocks. This goes without saying. But I suppose I said it!

I have always assumed Mr. Seward to be a smouldering hunk of man. Surely.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Simon R and Ned look similar at all.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i almost said something mean.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"I don't think Simon R and Ned look similar at all."

can we get someone with more html skills than me to post a side by side?

I was completely sure for a few seconds that the pic of Kevin Shields in the cardigan was Ned.

― hector (hector), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

When I had him as a lecturer, I thought Mark K-punk was sort of cute.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

simon r and ned look nothing alike

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The kevin shields/Ned thing that i saw somewhere was pretty uncanny. Yeah, maybe i am wrong about Simon though. maybe he does look more like Lou Barlow. I've only seen one or two pictures of Simon. never met him. Rob Sheffield must be the tallest rock critic i've ever met. but i don't meet too many.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

me and jess are taller, scott.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

sheffield's only 6'3''

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I have always assumed Mr. Seward to be a smouldering hunk of man. Surely.

Oh surely! (well, maybe 15 years ago before the bloat and the rot set in. mmm, maybe not even then.but as long as maria likes me i don't really care.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

no way! you guys aren't giants are you?

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i am 9 foot 11

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit, strongo! How much of that is yer head? HAHAHAHSHAQA!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

here is a picture of maria and me all drunk on the bunnybrains website. it's old though. we are way fatter now:

http://www.bunnybrains.com/ArchivedSite/Pages/Photos/Photos(Other)/FriendsPix2.html

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't see your smoldering hunkitude in that pic!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i know. those are my barroom eyes, not my bedroom ones.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i almost said something mean.

WAH

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"King of Queens" owns this thread by weird-ass default

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 3 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Julie Burchill could severely criticize me till I begged for mercy.

― briania, Saturday, 3 April 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Sara Sherr (sara@plainparade.org)

I knew I recognized this from somewhere. Then Sciarinno popped in my head.

Simon R and Ned look alike? That would be a good question when having an eye test. Answer YES, you're obv blind.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 3 April 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosemary is right: Raggett and Reynolds do not, I think, look alike.

Sara Sherr quoted Lloyd Cole and nobody noticed!

Nipper, you ... disappoint me.

― the ... pinefox, Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, jeez, don't sue me. i saw a picture of simon a zillion years ago and i think his hair was longer. they are both sexy scientists if you ask me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Simon did have longer hair of a time, like all right thinking people.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

plus, i said he looked a LITTLE like you, not that you were twins or something. i mean, you guys could be cousins at the very least.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Strongo does realise he's being come onto so much on this thread he's likely to drown bukkake-style, right?

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

BARRY!

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like Rick Baker's special effects have attacked me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i feel sorta weird

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Nicole!

(still working on the sweets, btw!)

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 3 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew a guy who looked like Rick Baker. Or maybe that was Rob Bottin.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dick Smith had a crush on my father. True story!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Cliff Jones. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

― Super-Kate (kate), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

How did I unintentionally quote Lloyd Cole?

― Sara Sherr, Saturday, 3 April 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew a guy who looked like Rick Baker. Or maybe that was Rob Bottin.

Scott Seward is Craig Finn in disguise and I claim my $5

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 April 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus nathalie sez:
I knew I recognized this from somewhere. Then Sciarinno popped in my head.

and now im hopping onto this thread! hi nathalie!

this thread makes me laugh in that silly semi-psychotic 12 year old way. not at y'all, not even with y'all. it just does. but this is good.

the few photographs ive seen of chuck klosterman leads me to believe that he resembles an ex-boyfriend of mine, right down to the drinking habits and cranky diatribes. both may even appreciate king crimson.

personally, i prefer not to date anyone involved in the music business [be it a musician, writer, publicist, record label owner, etc] just 'cause it seems like a bad idea to get your web all tangled up, etc. of course, i came to this brilliant philosophy of "just 'cause": the hard way.

but i will say this, in regards to cute rock critics: that doug wallen is one fine piece of ass.

― maria tessa sciarrino, Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I met Tom Savini at the Fangoria Weekend of Horror once. The Ramones as well. And Steve Bissette. None of whom are rock critics but suddenly scott and ned are talking about special effects artists. When I was in middle school I wanted to grow up to be Dick Smith.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I like this Sciarrino personage. Stick around!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If Simon Reynolds does, in fact, look like Lou Barlow, then put Simon Reynolds down as my answer.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

that strongo hulkington is a dishy chap

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

So Simon looks like Lou, I look like Kevin. From there, the world!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post -

Sara's unintentional Lloyd Cole quote: "cheekbones like geometry" mirrors the "Perfect Skin" line of "She's got cheekbones like geometry and eyes like sin / and she's sexually enlightened by 'Cosmopolitan' / she's got perfect skin..."

Love that song.

― Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Saturday, 3 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i am so confused by this: Ugly dudes can date pretty girls.

In my experience at art school (which I suppose is a slightly different thing than the music crit world), I would see girls that I thought were either plain or not particularly attractive date fantastically good looking men all of the time, but I can think of very very very few examples from my own anecdotal experience of very attractive girls dating unattractive men (unless I count the handful of relationships I've ever been in.)

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Sparks, unsurprisingly, have dealt with the matter on their last album:

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
You always know what the story is.
Beautiful girls with ugly guys
What do they take us for anyway?
What do they take us for anyway?

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls

As they walk down the street arm in arm, I see
them and once again feel the need to ask
myself the question, the question that has
weighed heavily on me of late. How is it
possible that a guy and a girl so dissimilar
in physical appearance, there being such a
disparity in how attractive each is, be nonetheless
in what would appear to be some sort of relationship?

It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls

How do we explain this? An attraction of
opposites? No, that theory has been refuted
by many experts in the fields of human psychology.
A much greater attraction seems to come from
one more similar to oneself. Personality, perhaps?
Without intending to sound judgmental, I would
say that he doesn't look like what was once called
a "live wire" or "the life of the party." He appears
rather expressionless. His movements are stiff
and even awkward. Perhaps he is a person of
some intellect-an expert in science, the arts, political
theory. No , I think not. See how well tailored his
clothes are, how well cut his hair is.

It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
(Ugly Guys With Beautiful Girls con't.)

I must confess to you, my listeners, that I have been
a little less than honest in pretending I had no answers
to my previous questions. You see, I lost someone
very dear to me, someone very beautiful, to someone
much like him.

Ah, you ask, surely there must have been other areas
where you were deficient and he was not. No, I don't
believe so. My shortcomings were of an economic nature.
He was rich. I was not.

You see, I underestimated the appeal to her of things---
imported things on wheels, large things with manicured
lawns and Olympic swimming pools, things to wear around
her neck that would glisten in the night light. Things. Still,
I am not bitter. Rather, I am an observer who saw first
hand how life may not be fair. Would things have turned
out differently between me and her had I moved up the
corporate ladder quicker, been born of more noble stock,
or done better on one of our journeys to Las Vegas?
Perhaps. In fact, I'm certain of it. Things would have turned
out differently between me and her. I know this now. It ain't
done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls.
You always know what the story is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose the "pretty women out walking with gorillas" phenomenon (yes now I'm intentionally quoting Joe Jackson), must be largely a New York thing (particularly the Vice magazine types with ugly porn star mustaches), though I see it here in Philly quite a bit.

The "cheekbones like geometry" line was something I saw on a Friendster profile of an incredibly gorgeous girlfriend of a semi-attractive (at least to me) rock critic. And it's not the case of a very flattering thumbnail. I've seen her in person. And it just made me think, "Why do I bother trying to be smart, funny, endearing, having great hair and wearing cool dresses from 1966?" Another former male friend of mine used to lecture me on how cheekbones aren't important to men, but since then, has dated a succession of tall skinny size zeros with all lines and no curves.

The thing is, for all the men I've met who say they'd pick Jeanine Garofolo over Uma Thurman in The Truth About Cats and Dogs, when given the choice in real life, they pick Uma Thurman. And me? I prefer Buddy Holly to Elvis, Topher Grace to Ashton Kutcher, Roger Taylor to John Taylor, John Cusack to Tom Cruise. So this has been my dilemma for all of my dating life. I can't date or even be friends with the guys that I have the most in common with. Hence, me and the hotel concierge working that whole opposites attract thing, plus my posse of cool girlfriends and gay boyfriends.

― Sara Sherr, Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

amazing, ned, I actually posted that yesterday, or tried to, but then accidently quit my web broswer not realizing instead of posting it was telling me there were new posts! When sparks performed that last year in central park, Ron walking around arm in arm with a sterotypical blonde bombshell. Genius.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds like something he'd do. I'll be seeing them in a week's time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm from NY! I must be missing all the action.

Sara, have heart. Not all men are like that, and you're better off not dating the ones overly hung up on body type, especially if you don't meet their ridiculous standards.

And you're totally right about Topher Grace. You'd better watch out for those John Cusacks though, cos those seem like exactly the type of men to watch out for.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I think both Topher Grace and Ashton Kutcher are hott, and I'm not even gay.

Yeah, word on the street in Chicago here is that Cusack is supposedly sleeeezy IRL.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe that explains his last 500 crappy movies, but I'm just grasping at straws

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Women Cusack is seen with in movies rarely resemble his fans.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

>I met Tom Savini at the Fangoria Weekend of Horror once.

My geekiest moment ever: I was at the Fangoria Weekend of Horrors one year, talking to Tom Savini and having him autograph my copy of his makeup how-to book. Afterward, my dad mentioned that I'd been standing next to Elvira the whole time, and hadn't even noticed.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 4 April 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I can think of very very very few examples from my own anecdotal experience of very attractive girls dating unattractive men (unless I count the handful of relationships I've ever been in.)

Just so you all know, all the women I have dated have been phenomenally attractive too.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Sunday, 4 April 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

How come no one has mentioned Mr. Sherburne until now?

I'm with Sara, as I'm attracted to the cute, neurotic types and they always seem to be dating tall, boney blondes. Perhaps I'm too much like them, like a sister or something. I do know more than a few cute, smart femme academic/critic types. Many of would them agree with me (um, if I may speak for them). We talk about it a lot.

― Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Sunday, 4 April 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I am sure I'm not alone in preferring short not-boney not blondes? LIke my sister said when we were in Krakow..."you like those little Enid Coleslaw types..."

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i still find all this amazingly baffling.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

not just the individual taste thing, but this idea that scrawny/fat/balding/geeky/cockeyed/bucktoothed/knockkneed/delete as necessary guys are all out dating these bronzed goddesses

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

this will teach me to doubt mc skat kat ever again, i suppose

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Two dimensions vs. three.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it aint fiction just a natural fact, ned

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

bronzed?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

gooooooooldfiiiiingaaaaah

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with what Anthony Miccio said about Cusack. I think I'm more in love with Cusack's character's than him, but High Fidelity drove me insane. Record nerd with blond/bland woman. And none of the chicks in that movie know anything about music!

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 5 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Well c'mon, it was based on a Nick Hornby novel. In his universe, women exist to look befuddled when men obsess over things. What they do when they are not in the room with the men is a mystery.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

my mother described my taste in women the other night as "you like short girls with bad black dye jobs and huge asses." so she HAS been paying attention to me all these years.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

She's been paying attention to certain people's asses, you mean.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the dye jobs too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

so then i said kiss MY assets

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I am sure I'm not alone in preferring short not-boney not blondes?

Aha! So according to this law of the universe, as a not-bony blonde I am therefore repulsive to the sort of guy I want to attract. *ponders what color to dye hair*

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

this is all academic for me at this point anyway

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You are teaching a class on this sort of thing?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man think about the lardy college tail i'd be pulling then

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"that's DOCTOR hulkington, my dear. would you like to see my etchings?"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Ooooh Professor Hulkington is soooo dreamy."

― Chunky College Chick (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

he understands us so much better than that crusty old dean

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Did you hear what he said about Tha G Code being better than 3 Feet High and Rising?!?!? He's so smart too."

― Pasty Dyed Hair College Chick (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

haha suck my ass alex

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and now to sew leather patches on the elbows of my jacket

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha this'll be just like the scenes from the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

god i need to get laid

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Instead of an apple on the desk they'll leave Jess a stack of live Kompakt mix CDRs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm now beginning to understand why strongo left the pnw. I'm also beginning to be baffled by same.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

always torn!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"why must i hate what i love that i hate but i love?"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha The Gold Experience to thread!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Sing "Dolphin" with me now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i couldn't be more pleased with the way this thread has turned out

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

btw my spin column starts next month

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ultro grrlington

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this the "Strongo Needs Love" one?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I just love that we've managed AGAIN to reference Raiders of the Lost Ark and Kompakt on the same thread. There is something beautiful about that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

SAD BOYZ 4 LIFE!!!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, completely unintentional on my part! But truly it is a sign.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

All across the Philly area there are affection starved Strongos. Only you can help. Please. They need sex now.

― Sally Struthers (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

those other strongos are on their own

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah let them get their own SPIN columns.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

a man will say some funny stuff hopped up on cider

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Chunky troll legs in action!

http://www.plainparade.org/sara/dasbowlinglarge.jpg

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 5 April 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean on the guy behind you?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

those are arms

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 5 April 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, perhaps the legs are implicit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"the pressing question is why tall guys keep dating short girls"

Funny, I always used to wonder the exact opposite -- why short girls would bother dating tall guys (no offense to anthony, jess, rob s., etc...) It always seemed like it would be totally awkward and stuff.

― chuck, Monday, 5 April 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

oh it is

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

seconded...and I'm not that tall (5'11" 1/2), but my wife is 5'1" if she's lucky, and yeah.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

To make a point, average out poor genetic structure, or stare up my nostrils. All three of which creep me out. Me, I'm after the unco six feet tall girls who get depressed because they can't where high heels.

Xpost x 2

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

where?

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

all i know is that Sara is never gonna make the pro tour with that stance.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it's a buffalo stance...but sara is no buffalo as far as I can tell.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear that that Theresa Tzara is a bit of a hot tomato.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, you guys aren't just brains in jars?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

a 9 foot 11 brain, yes

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

that's a big-ass jar!

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

bite your head off, man

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

sara's bowling stance might be unconventional, but she still managed to beat me that night!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 5 April 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Was I summoned to this thread about 100 posts ago?
I've dated tall and short, and I think it feels wierder to be with a tall girl, because you're just not that used to looking a girl in the eye without the aid of a staircase or escalator. (I'm 6'3").

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 5 April 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

shameless appeal for "am i foxy rock critic or not?" verdict.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

well, Tim is definitely foxy, we all know that. I think it's wise to restrict this to non-ILxors, however.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Alas, Tim, pics not available. But I know you're foxy, so don't sweat. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant as a rock critic though Matos - a Sebadoah connection is surely vital!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you misspelled "viral" there

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also i object to be classed as a "rock critic"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

clearly i am a "popular culture commentator"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Donalo Logueington

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i'll get you beckett

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim's pics are viewable but you have to cut 'n paste the link. He is indeed a very handsome man.

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

tim finney is totally swoony!! but we've established this fact before (it was proven by science on another thread i think?)

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

back off vagina-havers, he's OURS

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't it time for a "Neil Strauss to thread"? After all, he wrote the article on writing the book on picking up women (in a creepy way, albeit -- the book, I mean, although the article wasn't exactly NOT creepy either), and now he's hanging with Jenna Jameson or someone like that. I don't even know what he looks like, but according to that article, he'd just hypnotize me into thinking he was hottt anyway, so point in his favor, accordingly.

Oh, and Kate, you've made my day. I have been compared to Nicolas Cage more than once in my life, but I've never been sure whether that was Vampire's Kiss-era Cage or Adaptation-era Cage. Given my rapidly progressing hair loss, I'd guess the latter.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

pics I've seen imply mr. strauss is not hot. At least not on a Tim Finney-including scale.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

he's REALLY twerpy in that "Sexxlaws" video.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

surely he's not the MOST twerpy thing about it

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

debatable

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't the Rock Critical List refer to Neil Strauss as a balding dickless fuck?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe rockcritics.com should integrate a "Hot or Not" feature on the site. That'd have the traffic skyrocketing!

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, what's wrong with balding?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing at all. I want to find a picture of Neil Strauss now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought balding was a pre-requisite to write about music

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this him?

(Sorry, don't know how to post images here, so a link'll have to do.)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha that's the guy from Midnight Oil and he's way way past balding.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, maybe this is.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm dying here

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm dead now. Don't review."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yul Brynner's review of Sketches of Spain changed my life!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

someone post a picture of montell williams now

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cordis.lu/express/icons/280303_fb2.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

<a href="http://www.tvtome.com/images/people/2/5/20-10397-sm.jpg"&rt;

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

MONKEY

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

somehow this thread keeps getting revived and being the best thing on ilx

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

oh WAY TO GO DAVE

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Diablo, you bastard, keep my dad out of this.
He looks like that, I swear. This does not bode well for my days as an octagenarian.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

GREATER THAN!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

DAMN YOU MODERATORS!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus H. Daver, just do the i shortcut thing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, is that Craig Wedren?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

haha GREATEST XPOST EVER

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

NOT MARTIN MULL:

http://www.tvtome.com/images/people/2/5/20-10397-sm.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Phil, that is.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www3.estart.com/stores/media/bald.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

SUCK IT NED:

http://www2.onunterhaltung.t-online.de/dyn/c/07/95/98/795980,tid=d.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

El Diablo has disturbed me greatly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

clem bastow?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

well i hope sara has learned her lesson

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

PinUpGolf.com?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

BigBarkley!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10040000/10040337.jpg

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"clem bastow?"

ha ha yes!! Plus she has dodgy rock star pick-up cred (The Darkness!!!)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.io.com/~jgjones/tetley/images/conrad.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

oh conraid bain

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I so wish I still had pics of me when I shaved my head in college.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.northernstars.ca/media1/bain.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, wait, here's one:

http://www.nf.sympatico.ca/promo/images/big/celebs_gordonjump200.jpg

Alex, if you can find a MODOK pic, I'll luv you 4evah.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Or Armin Zola. I'm not hard to please.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.tvtome.com/images/people/19/5/82-20266.jpg

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you know he actually made a record?

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rockcritics.com/ced_daft_chuck.jpg

Hot.

http://www.rockcritics.com/Father-Charley-Crespo.jpg

Not.

― s woods, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.toysfortots.org/images/gmcleod.gif

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo sez: "post-rock cricketing"

this sounds like it would be the most boring sport ever. even more so than curling!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the upside is lots of time for drinking between innings

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

not that i need an excuse for that

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

also, post-rock cricketing probably has a lot of player/referee arguments.

i believe this new sport needs a thread of its own.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

BLOODY FOXY

― Wayne Sophtenwrong, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

haha does stylus really have a feature called "ask a girl"? god, that really speaks volumes.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, we are NOT talking shit about curling. It's the baseball of the Winter Olympics! The pacing is exquisite! And they use squeegees (sic)!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

where's the shit talking on curling? its like golf, combined with bowling... on ice!!!

if anything, im making fun of post-rock cricketing. clearly, their governing body needs to work on the sport's image problem.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I cannot, under any circumstances, encourage the dating of jerk-wads

my neighbor's parents used to curl. at hockey practice we would use the rocks instead of pucks.

― keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

My god, I leave this thread for two days and we've gone from sexy rock critics to curling. Amazing! Actually, my housemate is a big curling fan because he's from Minnesota but has a Canadian identity crisis. He even has a Canadian satellite hooked up to watch all the curling he can get. He can't get enough, it's out of control! (The cool benefit to this is getting to watch more SCTV though, that is, if I understood how to work his television. I need an engineering degree for that).

The troll legs in action was a funny idea that I got while drunk. That was an arty pic taken by Maria. Now that I'm sober, I still think it was a good idea and I love the bald html-ing that came after that. Scott is right, I can't bowl properly. Because I'm a midget, I could not fit my midget hands around the bowling balls or barely lift them, even the nine-pounders. (That sounds kind of pervy there). Where were the children's sizes? So I had to just drop and roll. I also want to say that 9 out of 10 Short Troll Legged Girls agree that 1966-styled mini dresses and control top black tights are always a slimming option.

JoJo Dancer: That's a blast from the past. I still don't believe it was Charles Aaron. I loved reading it though.

Tall boys/short girls: Since I'm short, all boys look tall next to me, so it's not like I go out of my way to find tall boys or vice versa. My current boyfriend is pretty regular (5'8" or 5'10"). I admire the long legs of tall boys because I don't have them and I like having someone around to reach things and change my lightbulbs. But getting rejected by tall boys is the worst, because you're like, all standing on tiptoe and shouting up to their ears at a loud rock show or whatever, and when they refuse to stoop down or turn in just a little, you know they hate your guts. I have an affection for cute short boys because it's nice to have someone to share an umbrella with. In my experience, umbrella-sharing starts more fights among couples than damn near anything else.

As for Rob Sheff, I've met the dude, like three times in my life, and I'd estimate him at being at least 6'5" only because I have guy friends who are at his height (and yes, they crouch down to listen to me at rock shows and otherwise). I think even if he wanted to date a woman anywhere near as tall as he is, he'd have to hang out with the WNBA or something, so I don't think he's chasing shorties is on purpose (or even vice versa). (I once joked that he and David Fricke should start a Rock Critic Basketball Team). Anyway, I'm totally underqualified at explaining who or what RS dates, I'm saying that this might be the dilemma that extremely tall men face. And also, many tall women I've met are both mean and crazy, unlike nice and crazy, which can be workable. Maybe they are just mad because tall dudes dis them for short girls.

Onward! More funny pictures! Give me something to look at as I avoid work.

― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

I dunno if this is due to foxiness, but I am starting to get a weird obsession with Ultragrrrl. I saw her at some club when I was in NY for Siren and I'm, just...

I can't think of a single thing she's written in SPIN or her blog or has said on TV that has any value whatsoever. Any. I might be in a glass house, here, but...

god she's kinda hot! inexplicability is kind of a turn-on.

short girls will be the death of me.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if there are any flat out foxy rock critics though. The ones who write in a wild, hair-tossing manner (the essence of fox) also get REALLY nerdy at the same time. It's kind of no win.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 August 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Ultragrrrl is pretty darn cute. You're not alone, Miccio, except for like Limp Bizkit, but we're not talking about them.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Jesus I don't know whether to thank you or not for bringing me safely (?) all the way down this thread. It is every thing I have ever heard about ilx. So this is what it takes to get Chuck on one of these (other than saying Voice suxxxxx). Anyway, I've seen a few rock critcs in person and on screen (TV/PC) (speaking of TV, an ungodly # of sitcoms feat. ugly guy/gorgeous gal. Always dug that Roseanne, though not ugly or nuthin, always demanded big fat guys, on and offscreen) But rockcrits: David Lee Roth said they all looked like Elvis Costello (meaning the EC of that time, not world's fattest vegetarian of more recent times. Never seen a rc looked like either ed. of EC, but there are somestar/crit, as well as star/critstar! correlations in following:
Simon Frith does or did resemble a cross between Ron Wood and Robyn Hitchcock
Jon Savage does or did look like every lead guitarist who *actually* wrote all the songs, and is ready to punch you. Not eager, just ready.
Dave Marsh, when young, looked a bit like Ray Davies. Later, more like brother Dave D.(I thought this *before* DaveD.'s stroke, okay?)
Frank Kogan looks kinda like Houdini, especially if Houdini was/were (copy!) a hypnotist, but appropriately so either way.
Rob Sheffield (one of very few rockcrits good with the soundbites) loks like the world's tallest cross between Huck Finn and Steve Winwood.
Richard C. Walls looks like Orson Welles (in one of his Shakespeare movies: short curly hair, curly full beard, no anal goatee), but *only from the neck up*(no hippo): the best of both worlds!
Eric Weisbard and Ann Powers used to resemble each other (wavy rust-colored hair esp.)Haven't seen pix of EW lately, but there was this documentary *series* on PBS, in which today's troubled youth (three guys) travelled America in a Volkswagen van, seeking wisdom from old white people.(Did I mention this was on PBS?) Eventually, they met Ann, who is not old(older than the 3, but so is everybody else in world, at least mentally), but she is lookin' good, the best I've ever seen her (only seen her on TV). They asked her how to get into SPIN ("Ohh, my! You're in your twenties; live your lives, enjoy yourselves. Later, in your thirties, that's the time to worry about yoyr careers.") Well that was a relief. the 3 thought so too!

― Don Allred, Sunday, 22 August 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It is every thing I have ever heard about ilx.

I'm going to assume everything you've heard about ILx is bad, then. Oy.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

In any case, every rock critic I've ever found foxy has a blog, except Mike McGonigal (I don't think he has one). None of the old guard, even in their prime, has ever done a thing for me -- not even big ol' bear Lester Bangs, what with his stupid facial hair.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

lenny kaye was(/is) a rockcritic, right?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that time on "Beavis and Butthead" when they were watching a CeCe Peniston video and they kept pronouncing it "penis"-ton. I've always said "penis"-ton since then.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Old-timers: Greg Shaw, maybe.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I say "penis"-ton too, but I'm biased.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Sara Sherr was really engaging, on this thread. I don't recall seeing her much elsewhere.

I am still a little puzzled by JtN's claim that many attractive rock UK critics post to ilx. I cannot think of many, I think. Apart from Ewing, obviously.

― the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

random, fringe critics and g.f.'s: jim o'rourke used to write a lot of stuff for 'your flesh', etc. his lady is very cute. their heights seem to match. doug wolk has a pretty decent looking girlfriend, at least the last time i saw him out. i hear they have strange party music tastes, however. drones, avant-noodling, etc. wonder what sort of snacks they offer guests... t. smith from tl&s is a frequently published ranter, semi-notorious as a ladies' man, and either a sweetie or a dick, so decent women beware. the last time i saw him he was nuzzling a slavic girl about 5'7", and he looks to be 6'4". is that short for him? thurston m. has written stuff forever. is he still with kim gordon? he's 6'7" or something, and she looks to be 5'4". what's with these tall dudes and their shorter ladies? is it a small penis looking larger next to a smaller body weirdo-thing, or the odd yet normal process of mutual attraction? of course, wolk and o'rourke are on the shorter side of the measuring stick. (height-wise, that is.) (and, in my infrequent experience, tall guys usually have above avg. packages.) (oh, maybe short girls like the taller critic guys because of their... well, you can see where i'm going with this.) chuck eddy i last saw with a six-pack of something, didn't catch the product or the brand, and there was no gal. the cans were probably shorter than he is, so what's with these critics and their small packages? (sorry, lousy joke.) did lester bangs have a steady, or did he just date narcotics and budweiser?

― kirsten abbot, Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I was on Amazon, which is always struggle--wait: I was on Amazon.com, trying to decide which CD of shape note hymns to pick out for my Mom, when suddenly up popped a box full of McGonical, Steward of Helpful Americana Suggestions. Or something like that. Amazon may have ditched editorial staff in favor of customer reviews, yeh yeh--but Mike lives, and in sundry other niches too. Not anal about wordlimits either, so you could say he does have his own blog, and title too. On the first printing of Dung, there are before and after pix of Lester. After he cleaned up his act, at least hygiene-wise,and slost weight, incl the walrustasche, looks okay. He had girlfriends all along, no matter the personal condition, according to biographers (which reminds me, over on DeRo thread, word is he's lost a ton on Atkins, but they still don't like him, the threaders that is but they're not girls so no sweat). One of those Rob soundbites I referred to was on Vh-1's "One Hit Wonders": when you have the word 'penis' in your name, people just expect all kinds of things of you." Thus, CeCe coudn't Rider way to second hit for too-Great Expectations. This is *Tolstoy* by Vh-1 standards, esp. current! Lenny Kaye has Lenny Kravitz cheekbones, plays on better records, and has a new book aout about crooners. promoting it on NPR, he sang and played solo guitar, sounded better than most per-se crooners. Liz Armstrong looks a lot like Misty Martinez.Greil Marcus looks like that blond guy Billy in U-2. Nick Hornby is not a rock critic. Chuck Eddy generally has had a mustache, noninronic-looking (good for him). Robert Christgau still has the glasses every rock critic is born with (being near-sighted is no excuse for losing them, people). That's why he's the Dean.

― Don Allred, Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't recall seeing her much elsewhere.

Sara is VERY cool and a half. I know I've encouraged her to post more but she has her reasons for avoiding much of the discussion here, and I don't blame her.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"That's why he's the Dean"

Yes, indeed!

― Eye for an Eye, Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

W-w-w-wait a minute! CeCe Peniston had a second hit -- "We Got A Love Thang"! I even bought the CD-single, whine, moan.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

>chuck eddy i last saw with a six-pack of something, didn't catch the product or the brand<

Definitely not "abs." These days, probably either Michelob Ultra, Corona Light, or Aspen Edge -- I am a total wimp when it comes to six packs lately (I usually opt for something refreshing and water-like), but when ordering on tap I stop worrying about carb content and generally stick with Stellas unless I'm being unduly adventurous.

― chuck, Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(Way to kiss up, Ned. Does she know about your All-Squirrel Band?) Micheal! A second hit?! DAMN YOO VEE AAIITCH ONNNE (+ Rob for playing along!)

― Don Allred, Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is odd - it's full of Americans, unfamiliar to me though familiar with each other, being well-informed about an obscure field, at some length, in a cool and sardonic way.

It's sort of like a separate entity from the rest of ilx.

― the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Ned, I'm just a jealous guy, among other things. (But it's trooo about the bannnd--see its thread!)

― D.Buttinski, Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey wait, maybe the foxiest rock critic is Mike Wolf of *Time Out New York*! (Unless he's merely the wolfiest.)

― chuck, Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he howl at the moon and chase down deer nipping at their flanks?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he awesome sideburns and hair...no, that's Wolverine. Whatever.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Sara Sherr was really engaging, on this thread. I don't recall seeing her much elsewhere.

thats because she's smart enough to stay away from this place.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

she also has her own message board thing. or at least she did.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Now, do the young people still say "foxy?" No offense to any young people on this thing.

― Don Allred, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I say foxy a lot. There isn't enough foxy in the world.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Don, if we're really cool we say foxaaaaaayh. But only like if we're really really cool.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Basically if you can do the Paul Stanley shuffle to something, its foxy. Foxiest song I've heard this year is the Sahara Hotnights cover of "Rockaway Beach." You can just see their hair flapping back as they lean towards the mic for the chorus. Rowr.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is like the music writing equivalent of "chick lit".

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't there something in the Bible about "the little foxes" and the grapes?

― Lillian Hellman, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

jess, Kelly Osbourne's "Shut Up!" came on my stereo the second I read your post.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha for some reason i thought about this thread at work today

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

probably because a. i was reading the new spin at lunch, and b. this girl i work with reads a lot of chick lit and leaves it around the lunch area.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what exactly is "chick lit"?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

is it like Laurie Moore and Ben Marcus? That's the stuff women I know are always shouting about (I like Moore).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The answer to the titular question of this thread: Dominique Leone.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's all that stuff that's like book versions of things ally mcbeal and sarah jessica parker star in

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

romance novels for the '04: "can Stephanie find time to date the young pediatrician while struggling to get her copy in on time and still be there to pick up her daughter from day care?" etc

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

p.s. ultragrrl is not hot

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is like the music writing equivalent of "chick lit".

i slap you royally with "The Female Eunuch"

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

ok that def of chick lit is frightening and I'm glad I never have to encounter it.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the older women at work still rock the old-school harlequins.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

FEELINGZ ARE DUMB

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

gear mocks anthony's desires

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

gear is all man

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody post a picture of him and we'll see if I agree.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps we should whine about all the people in our lives who don't realize how uncool they are.

his head kind of looks like a penis in that one pic.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

give me five years though

(I plan to get the Elton John pageboy though)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Shouldn't that be a "Paul Stanley schaffel"? You see, I doo keep up. Snaps to you jess! (Chicklit's good for breath)

― Wannabuya Bridget Jones, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

CeCe you're all right, it's that Allred fellow who I can't parse worth an arse.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you kidding? Allred's posts are the best thing about the whole silly thread. His, and the funny anonymous dick-size one.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Hints from Heloise: drink(ing) to remember might not!

― Fab!, Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i dig allred's posts plenty.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

And I look like a giant phallus, it's true.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

better than looking like the worst parts of Lou Barlow and Phil Collins put together (my self-image is lovely, thank you)

while I find Allred's posts great I will admit that if I was going to make a sequel to my ism-jism overacademic bullshit thread it would be how post-meltzerian fun with punctuation reference-rushes are so passe.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

let's never fight again, Genesis Implosion

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

you should probably add an Eastern European basketball player who can't say no to twinkies to that visual mix.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a sad commentary on my thought process that the tasty junk food treat wasn't the first thing that came to mind there.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

make it ho-ho's then

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

ding-dongs.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

In which movie was this an actual quote?

"Anyone who can swallow two Sno-Balls and a Ding-Dong shouldn't have any problem with pride!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"How post-meltzerian fun with punctuation reference-rushes are so passe."

Unless you're FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT, OK???

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yall tell the songs that make the whole world sing, yall got the AP Style Book and eh,eh, ver-thing, yall tell the songs yall tell the songs. O ROCK CRITICS I LUV U!

― The Big Fat Chick With A BoomBox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

BFC, are you on the wagon??

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Why yes I am, Mr. Eyeballs. Thank U for being able to tell! HEY

― Big Fat etc., Sunday, 22 August 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

god that other thread's even worse than this one! shame on all of you!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 22 August 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

easy:

http://themusicissue.blogspot.com/

― shookout (shookout), Sunday, 22 August 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

O god i'm sorry. i did it again. shit wheres that schnapps

― Big Fat Dum, Sunday, 22 August 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

she also has her own message board thing. or at least she did.

no, that was my board.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey ILMers: I've been floating in and out of ILM, and kind of lost momentum after the server went down and then returned. However, I posted on two threads this past week: Le Tigre and Franz Ferdinand. Generally, I'm too busy to fully digest and come up with anything articulate to say on ILM. Other times, I can't get past the douchbags and general asshattery that goes on. And since my internet time is limited, I'd rather not spend my time arguing with an anonymous asshat weather or not Le Tigre fans "get" Wolf Eyes or some such shit.

This thread was started as a sarcastic response about Sarah "Ultragrrrl" Lewittn's (sp?) alleged "fatness" and "hotness," and I basically was saying, "Uh hello, look at some of the male rock critics?" And then, like everything else that I write, it went from sarcastic to emo in about three posts. More importantly, I feel to some degree, especially in New York, who you hang with and where you drink/dance determine where you will work, that male rock critics are judged for their writing alone and the women get judges on their looks AND their writing. I've had lots of NY female writers tell me this is the case. Yes, there are exceptions, I've met a few of 'em (hello Chuck!), but I also know that my spirit would be crushed (further) if I made the move to Phila to NYC or even attempted to query NYC pubs in earnest. So here I am.

Scott's right: I run a Philly-centric mailing list called Dummytown on yahoogroups, and if anyone cares, I have a blog over here: http://www.herjazz.org/sara. Maria ran a short-lived message board for our booking thing, Plain Parade, and in its short lifespan (through no fault of Maria's), managed to beat ILM for the sheer number of douchebags and asshattery. But that's Philadelphia-style asshattery, for you, instead of NYC.

For the record, I like Don Allred's posts and writing and rock critic comparisons. I still like people who take liberties with punctuation.

Someone posted a link to Daphne Carr's blog, the music issue. She's a freakin genius and cute too. She runs an awesome list for female writers called Girlgroup, which never seems to have many messages, so I find myself coming back to ILM when I'm passing time. Or banging my fucking head against a wall.

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 23 August 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.languageteachingnetwork.com/HP/whetherWeather.htm

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Monday, 23 August 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Sara! I don't deliberately experiment with punctuation, folks, or spelling either. I'm just really near-sighted and have a small dim laptop and am a speedy slob (come to think of it). I like your blog and Daphne's too. She's right about AMG; the best solution for Searching I've found is to just go do it at bn.com, that's what they're trying to torture us into doing, so we'll *buy* something. Ha! (The promo peoples are getting more diligent about drilling those little holes, aren't they. Damn.)

― Don Allred, Monday, 23 August 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess i'm reviving a bit of thread from up top and many moons ago, but the point that someone made about double standards (i.e. that dorky guys can date hot girls but not vice versa) is totally true... i'm really not an attractive guy (in the conventional sense [his well wishers say]) but i've never really had a problem hooking up with dating whatever "attractive" girls... and to that end... some would say that i've got a problem in that i judge a lot of girls by their looks, wherein the problem is that if the standard went the other way i'd likely be dating special olympics athletes that own daniel johnston records... okay, maybe that's a little extreme, but still...

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 23 August 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

>the women get judges on their looks AND their writing. I've had lots of NY female writers tell me this is the case. Yes, there are exceptions, I've met a few of 'em (hello Chuck!), <

I am woman, hear me roar! (In fact, *Entertainment Weekly* gave my new Girl Called Eddy album an "A", I believe!) Hello Sara!!

― chuck, Monday, 23 August 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is like the music writing equivalent of "chick lit".

-- jess (wt...), August 22nd, 2004.

I almost pissed my pants at that one.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

CONGRATULATIONS FIRSTWORLDMAN HERE IS YOUR COOKIE

― nabiscothingy, Monday, 23 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

and stick it up your yeah

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if rockrit looks might be coming more important, for males as well as females. As pubishers, of periodicals as well as books, rely more on personal promotion. So far I mainly see music writers on CNN (most often Toure), and VH-1 of course. But cable's always looking for a new angle, and I could see Viacom, who own all the most common music video networks now, getting into some kind of deal like they already did for a while with SPIN and VH-1 doing parallel stuff, like the History of Punk or Metal. Maybe Voice Media will get into this too? (O course Musto's on E! pretty often, whatever kind of celeb's being dished.) And the big box bookstores (plus the smaller chains they've acquired) have this whole author-appearance circuit pretty well-established, *and* it's been somewhat perked up by C-SPAN2's Book TV weekends (often expanded, when national holidays are nigh). Haven't seen any music writers on there yet, but all this lit face time is becoming the norm, and I gotta think publishers are thinking about it, more and more, as a criterion for writers.

― Don Allred, Monday, 23 August 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

ive never seen her but if she looks as good as she writes, lisa oliver from stylusmagazine.com must be really hot.

super masonic black hole who posts here sounds pretty hot too. ive never read her work though, only her posts.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Monday, 23 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

But damn how women are conditioned to internalize the values of the oppressor, to monitor their looks, incl. comparing them to those of other women! FUCK that! Sara I've seen pix of you and you look good, isome boozehound editor wants Jessica Simpson with a stylebook and a Rolex, fuck thahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

― Don Allred, Monday, 23 August 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

is this the scene where the sensetive guy claims to be down with the oppressed to get pussy?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew that was coming. No. No. And I'm not so wonderfully enlightened, at all. But the older I get the less tolerant I get(CAUSE WE'RE GONNA DIE SO THERE'S NO TIME FOR IT) of all oppressive shit(as opposed to good shit, or good bad shit). Just before this, I was listening to some sensitive shit while riding my exercycle. I had to switch over to Thin Lizzy and AC/DC. A bunch of knuckleheads, but born to run (good bad shit). Not "very" enlightened, except for the guitars.

― Don, Monday, 23 August 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I just fall towards the Cool Old Broads. Sha-ha-ronn!

― Don, Monday, 23 August 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

haha don i was kidding. don't fear my vagina.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ive never seen her but if she looks as good as she writes, lisa oliver from stylusmagazine.com must be really hot.

― Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (Dom Passantino), Monday, 23 August 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I only fear the Reaper, jess. On a brighter note, i just read on AOL News (so it must be true) that fewer people watch TV now. So mebbe that will weaken the forces of lookism.

― Don, Monday, 23 August 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if rockrit looks might be coming more important, for males as well as females.

VH1 told me, I'd be a quote dude, if I'd exercise and eat less food. Tired of being compared to damn Rob Sheffield and Joe Levy, that just ain't me.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Just don't get too good at the soundbites. That seems to be the bottomline (Rob is token smartguy).

― Dozzy, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am 5' 11", and I would estimate that around 40% of the women I've dated have been taller than me. Why? Protection.

Also, I have my first (and, most likely, last) piece in the Voice tomorrow, so I guess I am now a fully accredited rock critic. And I am fucking H-O-T:

However, I am no Robert Christgau, who has a cock the size of your arm. I'm serious; he won it from Jon Langford in a poker game, and keeps it in his Voice cubicle, right next to the gold record he received for his work with Bad Religion.

― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Where is my picture? My wonderful, wonderful picture? Hmmm...

http://www.numbertwopencil.net/graphics/4am.jpg

Ah, there we go. Just as well -- I forget the second T in H-O-T-T anyways.

― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

J Dub, you of all people should not be calling me out on my grammar/spelling, and if all you got from that post was that I mixed up my weather/whether (out of pure agitation, I do know the diff), then shit, I don't know what else to say. Except noise rock dudes are just as pathetic as riot grrrls if you think about it. All subcultures are kind of pathetic at times.

Ant-ney,

Most of the men on VH-1 are really gross (except for Mo Rocca, Michael Ian Black, and Hal Sparks). Just watch Best Week Ever or any of those C-list comics that appear on the I Love the... shows.

Joe Levy is conventionally attractive, the kind of guy that one would describe as handsome, but he gives me the creeps. His sound bytes are oily. I have to wipe off my TV screen after he's finished. (Especially when he used to drool about Britney. Ew!)I don't believe a word of anything he says or writes. He's the classic New York media "means to an end" type. I guess I'm never writing for Rolling Stone now!

The whole appeal of Rob Sheffield (the John Cusack to Levy's Tom Cruise) is not his looks (not going there!), really (though he's got the tall thing in his favor, for people who care about that kind of stuff). It's the voice. When he talks or writes (when not saying things like "fuck puppy" and gabbing on about teenage actresses with fake boobs), it makes you go, "aaaaw."

But you know, the whole VH-1/Rolling Stone thing, or anyone's writing persona, even on a blog, is a construct, like Lloyd Dobler (which Chuck Klosterman wrote about in his latest book, our ideas of "love" from the the non-sucky John Cusack movies and sad pop songs and such. It doesn't really exist but because our own lives are fucking boring, we attach all this sentimental crap to our records, our writers, whatever. As Kathleen Hanna once sang on the much cooler "Demirep," the you I show to YOU is just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!!!

In general, I've found that men can work this shit and women cannot. Guys talk about their feelings and it becomes an entire musical genre. Women do it and it's chick lit. Sometimes I wonder if Liz Armstrong did not look like a younger hotter Liz Phair, if she could pull of Misty Martinez. (Well yeah, it's called Peaches, right?)

Mostly, I'd love to see what would happen if the SPIN column was called Making Out with Misty Martinez. Now THAT would be good reading.

Before you tell me to take it over to ILE, I say this has everything to do with music, because writers are absorbing what's going on in our culture, and it's all related. Social boundaries are the things that were explored, along with the music in the late great zine, Frank Kogan's "Why Music Sucks." I miss reading all the great stuff in there from Liz/Misty, Don, Rob, Chuck, Jane Dark. That's what rock mags should be.

Don Allred, thanks for the kind words. I don't want to be Jessica Simpson (though I'd settle for Ashlee), it's just that my failure to connect with my male peers on a very basic level makes me sadder than it should, even if I do know better.

Have I killed this thread yet?

― Sara Sherr, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

sara, you have no reason to be defensive about the content of your posts. It's pretty clear you've got fans (inc. myself). And if my post re: Levy and Sheffield wasn't mainly in jest, it wouldn't have been sung to the tune of a Pink lyric. Rob Tannenbaum looks pretty handsome too. I don't think I'm actually envious of any critic on VH1 though because the least safe target I ever saw skewered was when Rob Sheffield said he hopes he never hears Russell Crowe's band. I don't want to be neutered on national TV, thank you very much.

I once e-mailed Frank Kogan asking if he had any old issues of Why Music Sucks laying around. He doesn't, which SUCKS. I've been dying to get to read that stuff.

This thread will not die, btw. There's a reason I revived it (aside from having to announce my fascination with Ultragrrrl - I'm just crazy about the inexplicable).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

and Jesse, your Voice piece is great (not to mention your post I threw on the LOL thread on ILE). Glad you're posting here.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post, dom seems to think lisa oliver is not very good. either way, im still a fan!

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Sara! Youd do know I din't think *you* wanted to you to be Jessica Simpson, rather that J'accused boozehound backorifice pigs of wanting to edit you to J. The latter's little horseface (of ambition's obstinance) incites even sensitive me to violent acts of boredom (no not in the bathroom)(Jim De thinks Asslee is "at least trying to rock"! No! She's the faux Avril, DeRo!) Mo Rocca's irony gets really shticky in its ambition: when he ref. "the Dixie Whores," you can guffaw ironically or no, ho-hum in the Context of No Context same as it ever was, only more so. (Maybe there's no such thing as "a little bit pregnant," but a little bit more null happens all the time.) Yeah, I should have mentioned re Rob's soundbites, they also *sound* rite, as you point out, that low-key Koganesque delivery, but also out of the side of his mouth (Shef bringing that Irish-is-pirate Conan O'Brian "Arrrgh!") Yr Levy to the Chevy (curb) otm.Misty's *music,* on disc at least, is gear fabulashtronica, homegrown. onsult Misty3m@aol.com(Also otm: her column should def move into K.s ho)(otherwise, Spin has actually been getting better past few months? Can such things be? Oh wait, it's just the reviews (now fortified with Jon C. Well, that's not so Tales of the Inexplicable then. Or is it!)

― Doizey, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

^^^^^ New question: why do all rock critics write like that? ^^^^^

― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

All in the bloodline, thingy (F U have to ask) "Non-sucky John Cusack movies"?!?!??????

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

All in the caffeinated default-writing-for-free bloodline, I shouldsay, except you knew that. Peace, thingy. Rock star/crit contunes: Slug/Jesse F. The latter's post causing flashback to ancient RnR Quarterly, spotlight on Cynthia Plaster Caster's Langford trophy eeeewwwwww. Thanks, Jesse. Also: Rock crits' sunlight on Ashlee, Cusack (Norah Jones)=multiple eeeewww you younguns are scaring me (must go lie down again).

― Doleread, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(Hey, so is Jesse Fuchs the fuchsiest rock critic, or what????)

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread gives me a headache.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

it's also a fairly good argument for not dating rock critics.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

we make good mixtapes

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

get five then dump

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that's true, we do make good mixtapes

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes i think nancy only kept me around as long as she did for the mixtapes

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

my ex said that my post-break-up tape was the best one yet. and that's out of like two dozen plus so you know that meant something

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

jess say no then

― Dont, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I've curbed the possibility of this happening again by only falling for folks who either don't give a shit about music or have so much that I have no impulse to "educate." Oh, they might get a mash-note mix now and then but no more extensively compiled 2tape Best Of The Mekons '77-'02 OH GODDAMN.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

god do you assholes demand to be in control of the radio when you're in the car too?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

only when I'm driving (and she drove most the time...usually, playing tapes I'd given her...sigh...)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

you numbnuts ever think to give a girl flowers?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i havent owned a car in like four years.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

haha blount she knew I didn't know shit about good flowers. tapes came from the heart.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

something you spent hours on compiling for maximum enjoyability and endurability vs. something you went to the store for and said "uhhh, what's good but kinda cheap?"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

that they'll have to find something to put them in (cuz fuck if she keeps a vase around) and water and eventually trash

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

manmade artifice vs. nature's splendour dude

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

you can paste a leaf to the cd case

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

elephant 6 beat you to it man

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

and see i bet they get all kinds of pussy

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh, now I feel ill.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

pizza was my way of providing nature's splendour (still is)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

if you truly wanna woo a girl give her a dozen roses dyed black

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(note: only works on 14 year olds, circa 1989).

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, evanescence

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

bring her to life

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

show up at their door with a single red cliche

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

what, like a mixtape? hahahahahahahahaha

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hey blount yr single now, right?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

you should try a mixtape!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

especially where you live they should be like crack to ho's

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

word

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

no one's actually made me a tape in years.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

sniffle

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

drugs trump mixtapes and flowers combined (easy)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

well i wouldnt turn down drugs either

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

when I saw that James Van Der Beek Bret Easton Ellis movie I realized the absurdity of not having some form of drug in my apartment.

There's now a six-pack of Yingling in the fridge. Cuz you never know.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

haha a six-pack of yuengling would not last very long in this house

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, are you guys sewing? cuz I'm sewing.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

man, i could go for one now come to think of it

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I retain water (smooth jazz knowledge) for reasons of attempted girlfriend (so maybe should go younger, but then risk John Mayer/Jack Johnson/Pete Yorn/Dashboard/Norah fans)

― Durnt, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to get too demographically-reductionist/sexist about it, just facing the median, like a record store lackey should. Chuck, you're not gonna do that soundbite shit are ya? They messed up Bob, at least onece: famous critic says, "Kurt Cobain--" and that's the money shot, so CUT. (H'mm,soundbites fall behind;Blender leads the way..Kogan quotes a friend,"That's too short for my attention span." It just hasn't been re-trained yet for today's economy.)

― Durst, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck says "Marilyn Manson" money-shot-wise in Bowling For Columbine if I'm not mistaken. Haha Michael Moore has even misrepresented an ILXor!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG! Like the Beastie Boys video! Chuuuuuck! Call you lawyer!

― Doxycontinent, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.numbertwopencil.net/graphics/strangerthanfiction.jpg

http://www.numbertwopencil.net/graphics/langford.jpg

JON LANGFORD'S COCK HAS BEEN STOLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111

― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to modern science and the preservation efforts of Cynthia Plastercaster, there is a light at the end of the tunnel for Mr. Langford.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

On the tip there are you, Penis-ton. Good 4 u! Hey, aren't furriner criticks/chks getting shorted here??????Come on people!

― International Velvet, Saturday, 28 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"furriner" Was the Ian McDonald in Foreigner and King Crimson the same one who rock wrote? Now playing: Toop Short. Get your 'verse on!

― Tony Joe Costello, Saturday, 28 August 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, the basic thing about the pesky prevalence of soundbites these days isn't even whether they're as zinger as they mean to be or not. What really bugs me is that once we at least got to talk back to the TV, one of life's small but true pleasures, Now it talks back to istself, joking on itself before we can, or discouraging us from doing so, cos the comments are as dumb (often dumber) than what's being commented on. Kinda like Gov. A. joking on himself by calling his reality-grubbing opponents, calling them "girlynmen" (does that include female opponents? Basically, yah, especially all thse gropinator stories that keep "erupting" to no consequence, proving he's not yer Bill Clinton-type performer after all, strictly speaking). The real point of preempting our little remarks, though is not even protection as such; that would be showing iniative, in a"personal" way, which might give us the wrong idea, monkey-see-monkey-do-wise, The right idea is no idea: abandon all thought ye who enter here. Not even really about responding to the ads, except via osmosis. That's all I got to rant about that. As you were.

― Don, Sunday, 29 August 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I've responded by mocking Michael Ian Black (which I guess does keep me from mocking the subject of his mockery, those fiendish devils).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 29 August 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

True! They also pre-empt via decoys, ritual sacrifices, really (The Devil kisses Black twice on each cheek and holds him out the window, as I understand it.)

― Don, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

i have finally seen a picture of jim derogatis.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 27 December 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago)

I always want to revive this thread but I never have a good reason.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 27 December 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago)

this thread should remain at the top of this board, forever.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 27 December 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

You'd have thought the NME would use some of that haircare products sponsorship money to employ some attractive writers, no?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 27 December 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago)

Me. Heh. No, my pal Cat is a striking almond eyed brunette, but cos she only occasionally writes the odd music review she can't really be counted as a music crit.
Nadine McBay, who writes for various things is pretty foxy.
I met Kitty Empire at a gig last year. I found her a striking angular brunette. Which, as you might have guessed, is my bag.

― in disguise, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago)

What about metababes? Foxiest writing, especially if it doesn't seem to be intended that way (au naturelmental,like). Terri Sutton's writng can be like that, even though I don't nec. agree with a lot of her opinions.

― don, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 01:57 (twenty years ago)

don, leave meta out of this! dont make me flag you.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago)

NME has in the past employed at least one foxy ILMer, so hair care ahoy.

― nabiscothingy (nory), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 02:22 (twenty years ago)

also the answer to this thread question is still ME

― nabiscothingy (nory), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 02:30 (twenty years ago)

She says she likes Good Charlotte now because they wear eyeliner and are sad now, but she's really shouting their praises to earn my favor. It's working.

http://sp9.fotologs.net/?u=ultragrrrl&i=2003/06/09/1055180660.jpg&c=f

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago)

That should be a picture of Ultragrrrl. She is foxy.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Though its probably more noteworthy which female musicbloggas I don't consider foxy.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago)

The answer is of course the lovechild of Jim Derogatis and Zsa Zsa Gabor.

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Never metababe I didn't like.

― don, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

clem bastow?

seconded.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/artvandelay/cb.jpg[/IMG]

― PB, Monday, 14 March 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/artvandelay/cb.jpg

― PB, Monday, 14 March 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Who's THAT?

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

Ned.

― Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Monday, 14 March 2005 05:56 (twenty years ago)

Apparently I am a bandwidth thief.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

It's Clem Bastow. Me and her and Little Rob were dancing to ODB on the stereo at a house party only two nights ago. She is great.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 14 March 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Me, of course.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

I should clarify that my post meant that the photo is of Clem. Not that Clem is the foxiest rock critic. Although she might be. Is there a good looking male rock critic I can slaver over?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

"slaver" = "slather" X "slave"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

me & nitsuh, obv.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Okay then. But I have a strict policy of not dating music critics. They'll break yr heart with emo abandon.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Ned.

I don't think I cut quite so fine a figure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps...but consider the competition.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.amo.org.au/interview.asp?id=1005

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

AC/DC – "Rock N’ Roll Damnation"
The all-time greatest Side One, Track One, off AC/DC’s greatest album, "Powerage" (I don’t care what the "Back In Black" fanatics say, Bon Scott is God). I just think Bon was the best frontman ever; what was so fabulous about him was the way he melded that bogan, working-class machismo with something altogether more feminine and feline. "Rock N’ Roll Damnation" is probably not their most “AC/DC” song, but its swagger and pure joy in rock’n’roll is inspiring.

Now I'm in love.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/00/annalise/AmyPhillipsclash.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Clem Bastow's on my MSN Messenger list!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Looks like Clem is taking the title . . . but let's not forget Philip Sherburne's twinkly eyes, people.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

if you're into the overly tanned jersey girl look, she's OK.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Clem's recent "10 most interesting things rock stars have ever said to me" article was slightly flawed in that none of them were very interesting at all actually. Is this cos scuzzy rock boys get all tongue tied when they're talking to hotties?

― JimD (JimD), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

I was actually thinking she was the tanner, Aussie version of Sia Michael.

ihttp://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/07_17_coney_island_misshapes/images/01-(11).jpg

That's Village Voice's Fly Life columnist on the left (who I think looks cool), Sia in the middle, and Ant'ny's obsession, Ultragrrrl on the right, who has just left SPIN.

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/07_17_coney_island_misshapes/images/01-(11).jpg

― Oops!, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Ultragrrrl looks EXACTLY like my sister's best friend.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

But that ain't Amy Phillips, J?

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Ultragrrrl has a touch of the Burchills.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Nope, this is Amy Phillips, sitting next to Chuck D.

http://photos1.flickr.com/3226127_a98c8e4cee.jpg

Dom, what are the Burchills?

Remember, make fun of these girls and you make fun of me, since I don't look that different from them.

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I know, that's why I was asking J.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh duh I just noticed the thread title- it's about *rock* critics, not *music* critics- so I just flirted with Philip Sherburne for nothin. Darn.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

No, I know what Amy P. looks like, it was a joke! :)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

This is her, right?

http://www.nbps.org/UprSchlStaff/PhillipsAmy0203.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Dom, what are the Burchills?

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/searchresults.php?board=2&q=%22julie+burchill%22&mode=threads

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Dom, what are the Burchills?

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/searchresults.php?board=2&q=%22julie+burchill%22&mode=threads

Lookswise, I mean, I've not read any of her stuff.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was a joke, but just making sure. That first pic of "Amy Phillips" was cute though. Ironically, this picture comes up in an image search as well: http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0228/phillips.jpg

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't mind resembling Julie Burchill:

http://www.punk77.co.uk/graphics/booksburcillparsons.JPG

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Strangest thing to come up in an image search for me:

http://www.citypaper.net/earshot/earshot.1197/art/worst.sara.jacksonbrowne.gif

And the best:
http://www.groovelingo.com/cruelsummer/cruel_nodate.gif

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Ladies of Pitchfork (strictly for demystification purposes):

Julianne Shepherd:
http://kittymagik.com/images/us_contrib_julianne.jpg

Amanda Petrusich:
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/99/70/1760799/3153092233863l.jpg

Kristin Sage Rockermann:
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/54/11/1091145/8745442517043l.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

those pitchfork ladies are pretty hot!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Brent DiCrescenzo:
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/37/23/5713273/3653066060680l.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

If you're going to be a music critic, it is good to have the last name Rockerman.

― Sara Sherr, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Ms. Rockerman looks like conor oberst

― JD from CDepot, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

thats a very unflattering image of brent.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

I think it is from his movie.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

J.Shep kinda radiates general awesomeness, and KRock ist rad.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

For Pfork man-wise I'm guessing Richard-san is the designated hunk.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

He is definitely a handsome man.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I saw photos of Amanda Petrusich and Chris Dahlen for the first time in this month's issue of Paste!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

I did an image search for Mark Richardson and got this . . . which one is he? The one leading the band, or the one pressing his ear shut to stay in tune?

ihttp://www.manypoint.org/images/album/granny/granny170.jpg

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

What is that, Corey Feldman's brother in the middle?

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, you must be on friendster

― PB, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Amanda Petrusich = Friendster babe

― roberton, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

Why yes PB I am. :)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

this thread makes me want to cry.

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

or, you know, like tear shit up or something.

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps you should try being foxier.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

...

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

I always liked it when Kim Gordon sang "hey fox, c'mere" on that one Sonic Youth song. I like that it is a gender neutral term.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

It's never for nothing, Drew. You never know, I might write about rock someday. Anyway, now that you're a Pitchfork-certified critic, isn't it about time for you to post some of those Butt photos on this thread?!

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

maura johnston.

― strongo hulkington, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost to Philip

Those BUTT snaps have had an ILM/ILE airing, but in a critical context I'd rather work my Fake Renaissance Poet Look . . .

http://photos3.flickr.com/6557040_7ed0fb7c39.jpg

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

don't kill me, but for a split second I thought you'd posted a Conor Oberst pic

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

I won't kill you, as now I'm much too busy killing myself. Seriously though, ouch. I thought the Renaissance Faire factor would lead to some razzing, but damn . . .

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

all I saw was the hair and the pout. after a couple seconds it registered.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

strongo's back?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry Maura, this thread is all my fault.

― Sara Sherr, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

why does late at night the ILM peoples get all Amyest out:
Now that I've seen her picture, am I the only one who has a crush on Amy Phillips?

― don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

brilliant.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

Sara's sharp, she knows I was implying consolation prize ("You got threadstarters remorse, but at least you didn't start *this other* thread![which I still kinda like, although I'm glad I dint start it either]!")

― don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

If you get threadstarter's remorse, can you drink backslider's wine, or will that just push you over the edge?

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh duh I just noticed the thread title- it's about *rock* critics, not *music* critics-

phil had one rock record in his top 10 (the liars one)...i would say we can count him as a rock critic!

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah, he voted for Ryan Adams in 2001, people!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad this thread has never been revived when I'm drunk and lonely

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah that's coz it doesn't get revived very often

― don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

I keed!

― don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

you're lucky i'm seeing somebody now. or at least i am.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

"i'm seeing somebody right now.or at least i am." Are-are there tow of you? And/are a rasta you and you are?

― don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

Mia Clarke of Wire:

http://www.electrelane.com/site2/gfx/uploads/miatwo.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Dear God.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

Yes?

― don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Sorry to disturb you but-- *is gagged*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

safe as fuck

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

http://www.beefheart.com/zine/001/bangsgraduation.jpg

― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

before the booze took hold

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

not according to his bio!

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

wait, which one? deRog's points at him being a pretty harmless and clean fella right through till college, doesn't it? note that i read it a couple years ago, so my memory is a bit foggy

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

oh shit, thats his college graduation? man he looks young

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

derog says the dude was writing Drug Punk in high school, I thought. And he never graduated college.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

I definitely remember him and Roger Alexander were popping what they could back in HS.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

ok, that makes more sense.

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

shutterbugs really do their damndest to produce ultra-salable high school pix (my Graduation set is ridulously good; inadvertant mockery of actual mug). Hey Sara, what did y'all end up naming the column? Or maybe you're saving that for another thread?

― don, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, don, I think it is the retouchers who are the real unsung heroes of the high school yearbooks.

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

"ridiculously" was meant of course, but "ridu(uuhhh)lously" fits too (mention high school and it shall appear, if it hasn't already)Retouchers! Gremlins on my zits and fuzz! Uggghhh thanks Ken!

― don, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

ouch. that hurt. Don't ever call me a "rock critic" again.

― brent_d, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna start exercizing just so I can get some luv on this thread. HIPS BUTTOCKS THIGHS! (& pec laser rejuvenation, too.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

i can attest that the ladies at the SF Bay Guardian are pretty cute.

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Ultragrrl is ultragross. Trust me on this.
S1mon Reynolds is totally cute. Also trust me on this.

― i forgot, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

don't kill me, but for a split second I thought you'd posted a Conor Oberst pic
all I saw was the hair and the pout. after a couple seconds it registered

yeah, um....I actually went through the exact same thought process, though it took me maybe half second, not a couple seconds. You really don't look like him. I swear!

― Lingbertt, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Drew Daniel is gorgeous. :-) All I have to say.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh that's all right, go on!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

"Clem's recent "10 most interesting things rock stars have ever said to me" article was slightly flawed in that none of them were very interesting at all actually. "

Perhaps that's because it was actually called "The Top Ten Things... [etc]", JimD. Anyway, is this where I register my vote for Tim Finney? ;)

― clem bastow, Friday, 18 March 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

clem! you get bon scott! marry me! oh wait, i'm seeing somebody! anyhow, you get bon scott! WUV.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I heart Scott Seward

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/thebunnybrains/skot.jpg

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

anthony, I'll be your ~~child~~ Russian bride any day if you're down with Bon. What a man...

― clem bastow, Friday, 18 March 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Proof of my Bon devotion (2nd part of post)

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 18 March 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

just dropping in to register my second vote for Daphne Carr.

― shookout (shookout), Saturday, 19 March 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Mia Clarke of Wire

Wowser! She sure is purty.

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Saturday, 19 March 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Ah, Anthony, you should fly to Melbourne and come loiter in ACDC Lane (no lightning strikes allowed in street names, apparently...) with a bottle of something cheap and cheerful.

― clem bastow, Sunday, 20 March 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

just the another night a friend was saying how everybody should drink on the grave of their hero and I realized I'd have to go to Australia to do it!

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 20 March 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

He's "buried" (ashes) in Perth, which I haven't visited, though I am told it's a little tragic a la Jim Morrison's grave. I'd rather have a drink while appreciating his Rolling Stone Aus cover, undoing his fly with a lascivious grin. I'd like to see Nic Cester do that!

― clem bastow, Sunday, 20 March 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

this needs a revive

― gershy, Sunday, 1 April 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

mia clarke's in electrelane, no?

i don't know any foxy critics. we're all paunchy sociopaths.

― CharlieNo4, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

audra schroeder of the austin chronicle is very cute. she has a thora birch in ghost world thing going on.

― UncleTomfly, Monday, 2 April 2007 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.portlandmercury.com/binary/c806f890/books-klosterman-1.jpg

― musically, Monday, 2 April 2007 06:50 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

What do you guys think about this article about the "Rock Critical List"?

http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/profiles/same_as_it_ever_was.php

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

Oh how I hate being reminded that Electrelane is no longer a going concern, but otoh, I love being reminded that Mia Clarke exists in this world.

― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:59 (sixteen years ago)

lmao @ "populist autism"

― velko, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:32 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1704933447/388919_962794060845_2416229_41824327_989081349_n.jpg
Maura!

― dow, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

Scrolling quickly through the thread, I thought this

http://www.beefheart.com/zine/001/bangsgraduation.jpg

was a young Dr3w Ga3rig.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:47 (thirteen years ago)

Cf this actual photo of a young Dr3w Ga3rig:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrxU6tbjw9T4_9tFSr73mTUAGAh_lVsbbbXd3VUV1Ldku4CM_Bv-H2ziuF

― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:48 (thirteen years ago)

dr3w ga3rig's displeased: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16232-probably-love/

― omar little, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)

Wonder how much traffic Alfred's blog got from that link!

― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:58 (thirteen years ago)

I always figured Lisa Robinson must have been cute--here's the one photo I could find:

http://i26.tinypic.com/n4h2bk.jpg

I'm a little behind the times.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 21:12 (thirteen years ago)

i feel like i spent half my childhood looking at pictures of lisa robinson canoodling on couches with lenny kaye and the ramones in the pages of rock scene magazine.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 21:38 (thirteen years ago)

MJ looks resigned to a life where canoodling will never be a simple thing.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 21:44 (thirteen years ago)

Speaking of Rock Scene, can't find another of Lisa Lisa right right now now, so here's this. Debbie may never have gotten paid for being a rock critic, but she proffered some pertinent observations, for inst: "Lester thought he was a 300-pound Jim Morrison." Ooh! Close enough, and pretty mild, considering his hatchet-job-as-coffee-table-book re Blondie.
http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/51/fb025d92c59d4ad5b75851629bebffb2/l.jpg If doesn't incl credit, it's by Bob Gruen (of course!)

― dow, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 21:55 (thirteen years ago)

god i was so in love with her.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424658_2521941175081_1449881301_31846887_1089239271_n.jpg

― scott seward, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 22:26 (thirteen years ago)

Look at that look she's giving us, those glasses even. Born to crit!

― dow, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 23:47 (thirteen years ago)

I always assumed this was the answer:

http://ichlugebullets.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/matthew-perpetua.jpg

― dlp9001, Thursday, 2 February 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

Wonder how much traffic Alfred's blog got from that link!

quite a lot...

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 February 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkg1h7YiYs1qbn8ndo1_500.jpg
Sam Shepard (ex-Holy Modal Rounders) wrote about and with Dylan, also wrote plays featuring music performed by actors (himself and Patti Smith.)Smith, writing for Creem and other rags, would list whatever she loved in Top Tens ("I saw the most beautiful girl on the subway"). Her Rock Scene Television saga got a planeload of UK scribes checking out those combustible ragamuffins, even lead to Eno's demos (Verlaine nixed 'em, but sound okay to me, for demos). But way before that, exploring what being a rock writer might mean, she was an inspiring figure already (circa '72, like this pic).

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:17 (thirteen years ago)

sorry-you can click on that and get it, but
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkg1h7YiYs1qbn8ndo1_500.jpg

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:18 (thirteen years ago)

Here they are onstage
http://ro-mashka.ru/photo_s/Sam-Shepard-20-15.jpg

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:23 (thirteen years ago)

And this recent Luc Sante piece is the most astute view of Smith I've even seen (incl some description of her rock writing, her overall apporach and how it could seem like mere namedropping etc but how she developed it)
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/feb/09/mother-courage-rock/?pagination=false Good pic by Judy Linn here too.

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:31 (thirteen years ago)

Scribe scrutinizing (credit: Judy Linn)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/Lens/2011/03/20110317-patti/480px.jpg

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

Ellen Willis gets to work
http://www.frieze.com/uploads/images/front/Music-Crawford.jpg

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 20:28 (thirteen years ago)

Willis: "H'm-m-m...Promises, promises--still..."
http://vidunderfull.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ellen-willis.jpg credit: UMinn Press

― dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/drohojowska-philp/Images/drohojowska-philp7-16-2.jpg
(Libby Lumpkin)

Grrrr! "A quitter never loses, and a loser never quits." Dave Hickey, charter Noise Boy. Marvin, His teen familiar once warbled in the Voice, " 'I ain't tryin' to come on like Hollywood/But Hollywood is what I am." And pointed out that if Neil Young had come out with such, crtis would be swooning over how poignant it was--but since Randy Bachman sang it, nertz to him,(Marvin was also hot for Kiwanis gumball machines as talismans of the New Normal). J.Hoberman was irritated by Hickey's chuckling at his own jokes in a doc, and seems delighted with himself in his award-winning collection Air Guitar, but it's only right and Mr. Natural. Also a good songwriter (and art critic, come to think of it).

― dow, Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:49 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://zicoydelia.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/burroughs3-zicoydelia.jpg

WB interviewing JP in C---Daddy. He also did Bowie in Stone (nice work if you can get it).

― dow, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 22:22 (eleven years ago)

Holly Hernandez, of Melody Maker Demo Hall fame.

― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 23:41 (eleven years ago)

Hell, jesus

― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 23:42 (eleven years ago)

Yep.

Ooh, just finally read that Luc Sante piece linked by Dow in Feb. 2012

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 15:39 (eleven years ago)

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