THE 1990s POLL RESULTS

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― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

There goes the rest of my week!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

YES!!!!!

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

#100

TLC - CrazySexyCool (213 points, 16 votes)

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"Creep" and "Diggin On You" are both stunning - the culmination of an entire aesthetic of the early nineties. By the time you got to Madonna's "Forbidden Love" (which, written by Babyface and produced by Nellee Hooper, is like the the grand but too-late union of the US and the UK's concurrent developments of a live-sounding but opulent looseness in programmed pop) later that year it had to change. But Crazysexycool captures it at its absolute best.
-- Tim Finney

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Too much pop on this list.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know whether to be happy or sad that this list kicks off with such an awesome album which I thought would've been much higher.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG ILM DOESN'T RESPECT INDIE ROCK AND TECHNO THERE'S NO JUNGLE ON THIS LIST YET WTF IS THIS

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

#99

OASIS - Definitely Maybe (218 points, 16 votes)

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"I love Definitely Maybe, and the poofs in Blur can suck my left nut."
-- 57 7th

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

#98

U2 - Achtung Baby (221 points, 16 votes)

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"Just for the record: Achtung Baby is my favorite record, and I was enthralled from the first moment I heard it."
-- Lord Custos Epsilon

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Two albums later, the answer is 'sad'. :(

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know how I expected the list to start; but this isn't it.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

how did oasis always manage to have such amazingly bad artwork?

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the dream start for some people because we're killing our idols right off the bat. Canon turnover baby! (if that's your thing)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

also, surely Definitely Maybe is the consensus Oasis pick these days? so that should be the last we hear from them, yes?

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

#97

OMNI TRIO The Deepest Cut Vol. 1

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comments?

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

(223 points, 14 votes) oops

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

#96

Radiohead - OK Computer

Gravediggaz - Six Feet Deep

Please?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I voted for that Omni Trio alb, but I thing some of the ILM raveheads would be better at commenting it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ, Tuomas, when the page refreshed I just say your OK Computer hoax at the bottom of the screen. I was pretty excited for a minute there.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Are the Omni Trio a post-rock band?

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i did too - i'm surpised to see it so low.

omni trio are JUNGLE

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Omnit Trio is.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(It's just one guy.)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, Omni Trio is totally a post-rock name though.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Rob Haigh was kind of a post-rock guy actually. Omni Trio were on all those Macro Dub Infection comps and he was breakbeat rehab post-punker.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

'The Deepest Cut' was a pretty bold leap at the time - preceding 'Timeless' as it did. very possibly the first album of the genre in it's transition from 'hardcore' to jungle (along with Nookie's less celebrated, more patchy 'The Sound Of Music'). being a Rob Haigh production there's no ragga samples or even killer basslines really, but what you do get is a collection of breezy euphoric rush tracks with diced but bolshy breaks, 'Renegade Snares' being the obvious highlight (but check 'Mainline', 'Thru The Vibe' and 'Rollin Heights' if nothing else)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

can't we have more Recommended Tracks with these albums? even tho most of us may have heard most of every single one anyway?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i knew it was one guy it just sounded wrong to write "is".

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, I first read your post to read "breakfast rehab post-punker" and thought you coined a new sub-genre.

― Asthmatic Cajun (Asthmatic Cajun), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

true or false: Omni Trio is so called because he thought Aphex Twin were a duo?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Aphex Twin was a duo at first, right?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Kind of.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

#96

BARK PSYCHOSIS - Hex (224 points, 11 votes)

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comments?

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

It was Richard James with the one of the dudes in Global Communication.

(x-post)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean Tom Middleton appeared on like one song. I think it was always an James thing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(meeting, back soon)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

is that the american cover for hex? my version looks much nicer than that!

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

#94 (tie)

UNDERWORLD - Beaucoup Fish (231 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Whereas Beacoup Fish I think really plays around with one's assumption as to what Underworld are by just being so brutally uncompromising and tracky so frequently, and because Karl is so often very aggressive. Like, I find the first four tracks to be a totally emotional suite, but not emotional in the sense that the group inject "rock" emotion into a dance setting - the ebb and flow of intensity is much closer to a DJ set. And I perversely enjoy the fact that the slower tracks are just really odd and unwelcoming - it's like the group want to avoid people finding any sort of "relief" in them. Instead, the slow tracks are the uncomfortably, unsettling moments and the hard-edged tracks are the heart and soul of the album."
-- Tim Finney

"Great Bits on Beaucoup Fish #27: On 'Skym' when that effected loop of Hyde's voice going 'Aiii aiii aiii' drops in - despite listening to that track so many times i still find it hard to pinpoint exactly when that's gonna come in (i guess because the track is beatless)"
-- stevem

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(couldn't find a good image for Hex...)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I'd have thought Hex would be a lot higher!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://agitato.free.fr/images/disks/hex.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

#94 (tie)

WEEZER - Weezer (231 points, 17 votes)

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"One night when DJing at a local club I ended the night with "Only In Dreams" (I like ending with depressing stuff), inspiring at least one guy to burble about how this song meant SO MUCH to him back in the day, and all could do was nod in agreement and join him in an air-guitar raveup."
--Anthony Miccio

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

more to come, I'll try to get down to #81 by the end of the day. Very busy over here at the moment.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay! Some drum 'n' bass made it into one of polls!

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

not enough bass tho!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The singles poll has convinced me to lower my anticipation for the albums. Good thing, based on what I see so far.

But its early...

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i own four of the albums listed so far so that's 'good' i guess

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

only 94 for Weezer! Jiminy Jilikers! Guess I should just be glad it made it.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, this list peaked early.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, Jesus, if fucking TLC is all the way down at the very bottom, there's no way my top picks made it to the list.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, Jesus, if fucking TLC is on it, there's no way my top picks made it to the list.

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm pretty surprised (haha - relieved?) at that low showing for weezer too, maybe pinkerton got all the votes there.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I am distressed to see three albums I love (TLC, Omni Trio, Underworld) interpersed with Oasis and U2.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You're not forced to listen to them in that manner, Martin...

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

the u2 album is tops; just a really engaging and exciting pop record almost all of the way through.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's play spot the Yankee vs UK divide.
Will an album not from one of those countries make it? Will Sean and Huck remember the Rheos or Sloan? Stay tuned.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I cannot engage with U2 on any level, I am afraid. They don't seem like fun to me and neither do they seem like important non-fun.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

it really is a great record, that it charted despite how much u2 gets slagged around here (including by myself and probably even you on occasion amster!)(and rarely undeservedly) testifies to how good it was. LOT of memories tied up in that one for better or worse.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

#93

LAURYN HILL - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (234 points, 18 votes)

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comments?

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It's for girls.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

TOO LOW!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Noodles -- Rheo's weren't nominated, "One Chord to Another" was, though.
I didn't vote for a single Canadian single or album, but there wasn't much to choose from (and I didn't listen to much Canadian music in the 90's anyway).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes yes U2 most underrated band on ILM shocker, but let us not get distracted from The Big Question: will The Bends split the Radiohead vote enough to prevent OK Computer getting to #1?

Also, are there any other big questions? What do people want to start speculating on?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

All I'm going to say about many of the final results yet to come is I was surprised. Happily, in some cases.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay! Some drum 'n' bass made it into one of polls!

but it's omni trio in both polls! i guess i shouldn't complain. i'm hoping to see that db mix even though i didn't rate it so high. or maybe logical progression vol 1 is conservative enough for an ilm poll.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

will The Bends split the Radiohead vote enough to prevent OK Computer getting to #1?
"Loveless" is the biggest shoo-in ever. It was already in the top 50 based on the exit poll data (~10% of total ballots on the "post your ballot" thread).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I didn't notice "Renegade Snares" in the singles poll. Double yay.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yay lauryn hill! even if it's too low.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

#92

THE WEDDING PRESENT - Seamonsters (236 points, 12 votes)

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"Seamonsters. There's something about it, a perfect match between the feeling it contains and the way those feelings are expressed. Perhaps this is a chicken- and-egg phenomenon, given that I learned to play guitar along with records like this, but the sound of Seamonsters seems exactly in tune, down to a physical level, with precisely the sort of giddy frustrated misanthropy that comes through in Gedge's voice and lyrics -- this feeling that's at once hugely bitter but also hugely amused, as in "Fuck it -- I'm just going to double over and rip at these guitar octaves until they start to buzz and wail." This is a bad explanation, I think, but this is one of those records that was very basic to me, one that I think I'd have to write hundreds of pages on in order to work out exactly what it is that I get out of it."
--Nitsuh

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"maybe logical progression vol 1 is conservative enough for an ilm poll"

I'm pretty sure A Guy Called Gerald will make it too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Aquemini" should be on the top 20...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh, that's the first of mine to come up.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't vote for it, alex, but i would be happy to see it.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

a guy called gerald that is.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I ranked the U2 record pretty high on my list ... let me see .. #14 it was. I am actually surprised it didnt rank higher. and I am not like a big U2 fan or anything by any means. heck, I suppose I helped it to even place at all (#98?)

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if that lauryn hill placing that low is due to her subsequent looniness or still lingering backlash to its reception back in 98 (cue ilxor: 'it placed that low cuz it suxx').

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

However, a lot of the questions/musings I have are based around vote splitting -- there are loads of artists with multiple albums on the noms list.
A) Will "Different Class" finish 3rd?
B) Will the techno contingent unite on something? I'd love to see the Basic Channel comp in the top 40.
C) "Spice" will show up, yes? It's inevitable?
D) BARDO POND
E) Which of these albums is least likely to make the top 10: "Illmatic", "Laughing Stock", "69 Love Songs"?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmn. You may be right, tricky. It's on less ballots than I thought.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd guess laughing stock is least likely, i think they're all pretty likely though

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I voted for 2/3 and we all know that I am barometer for absolutely nothing on ILM haha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It was already in the top 50 based on the exit poll data (~10% of total ballots on the "post your ballot" thread).

If recent history tells us anything, it's that people who won't admit what they voted for that are the deciding factor.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

the techno contingent will unite and KICK THIS POLL'S ASS.

seriously though, basic channel was my number one.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I think they're all likely, but the singles poll taught us that a few of the album we consider to be "locks" aren't as locked up as we think ... I'm wondering which ones they are?

-- xpost to tricky : yeah, I put the BC comp in my top ten, which was my strongest "strategic vote" by far. I do think it's the strongest bet to unite the technoheads.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i sold all my wedding present records (i had about 10) at some point, when i was in boston. the fellow at the record store to whom i sold them looked at me funny and asked me why on earth was i selling my wedding present records. i got a bunch of al green cds in trade, though, so that was his answer. i still never made up my mind about wedding present though so i often regret selling them.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't expect from much from this poll. which means i guess, i don't expect many of my choices to show up. judging from the singles poll, where none (??) of my top five or so showed up, save for aaliyah's "one in a million."

these polls are perhaps less about emotional investment (i.e. do i care what shows up?) than as a kind of experiment to see what ilx likes.... i'm interested in the results but i don't really mind if they don't correlate with my own tastes.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I had the BC right outside my top twenty. I would be very happy if it made the top 30.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't even remember whether i voted for "achtung baby." i should have, in any case. perhaps "indie guilt" held me back.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

#91

NINE INCH NAILS - The Downward Spiral (237 points, 15 votes)

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" "the downward spiral" has some of the most layered and meticulous production I've ever heard. The segues between songs, the massive shifts in dynamics. Everything that is right about NIN to me is summed up in the last two minutes of Closer. (The album version, not the neutered radio version.) Elements of the song return one by one; synth line, beats, fuzzed out guitars. They pile up on top of another but never does it sound muddled. So just as the song is reaching its peak, you can still hear each of its parts. You can still see how it works. And then suddenly Trent drops the curtain, leaving only that simple piano melody. That kind of showmanship, "I'll show you how I do my trick and you'll still be impressed" is pretty rare. It's kind of like Timbaland dropping in that bit of Missy at the end of Bubba Sparxx's Ugly. Bonus reason: NIN invented the remix album."
-- bnw

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i think i feel that way too am!st.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

#90

SPIRITUALIZED - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space (241 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Spiritualized-Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space. That combines everything I like about almost every genre of music from the last 20 years in one album."
-- Ronan Fitzgerald

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

That's an excelent comment on "The Downward Spiral" up there. I've always loved the last two minutes of Closer too.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

well, considering that probably only 10 or so of my "actual" top 30 records of the 90s (remember, only 2 nominations per person) were even eligible... I aint gonna get too worked up about this list.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

oh cool, wasn't expecting that to show up. I voted for it though, at like 27 or something.

x-post: NIN

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, the end of "closer" is indeed fantastic. i love the bassline in that tune too.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

#89

THE PRODIGY - Music For the Jilted Generation (244 points, 16 votes)

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"Music for the Jilted Generation is still classic, though. An exception that proves the rule is something that makes you realise there is a rule. Like when you hear an album with Music in the title and think. "This is pretty good! Which is strange, because now that I think about it, usually albums with Music in the title are shit." "
-- Andrew Farrell

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

:( I hope that doesn't mean Experience isn't aced out.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i remember when i first got stationed in iceland that album was just blowing up, it was EVERYWHERE, and i remember thinking 'omg europe is SO COOL'.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

#93
LAURYN HILL - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (234 points, 18 votes)

Phew - it may be too low, but at least one of my nominations made it at all - unlike the singles poll.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want to make the Misneducation of Lauryn Hill #88, but this is a SERIOUS thread so I won't.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

#88

SMASHING PUMPKINS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (249 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"I lurv Mellon Collie with a passion brighter than a thousand suns."
--Ned Raggett

"they should have called it The Continuing Saga of Mellon Collie and thee Infinite Sadness, Op 47, Pts 1-16 (12 excepted)"
-- sundar subramanian

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha i am embarassed by my own nin fandom.)

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

whenever i see that cover i want to pummel a kitten. i knew at least two fans of mellon collie that wore that lasses expresion to school every fukcing day. but yeah, i love the album too, really. crosspost.

― :| (....), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

#88 SMASHING PUMPKINS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (249 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)

OK, this poll is now void to me.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

#87

EMINEM - The Slim Shady LP (253 points, 18 votes)

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"I always talk about acting like an autistic person and doing "The Real Slim Shady," getting all worked up and freaking out."
-- roxymuzak

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't vote for a single Canadian single or album, but there wasn't much to choose from (and I didn't listen to much Canadian music in the 90's anyway).

Where you living in Canada?
Halifax Pop Explosion, forgotten abandoned alongside The Rheos, Neil Young (Ragged Glory), Sarah Mclaughlin (if U2 can make the list), Change of Heart and maybe even Sianspheric all put out great albums.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Real Slim Shady" isn't on that album.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

oh well

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha yeah "My Name Is" was the hit.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if the blurbs I sent in for Oasis and Weezer were just too long and too bad to be included.

List is pretty fucking great so far.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't Definitely Maybe seem extremely fucking low, though? Is britpop really so shunned on ILM?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

this is what I get for posting poll results while working on something else at the same time, trying to hide my internet browsing

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It should be but the SINGLES poll indicates otherwise.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

more after lunch

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well Pulp, yeah, but "Live Forever" was only #83 or so and Blur didn't even place a britpop single.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha i am embarassed by my own nin fandom.)
-- bnw (rilke...), November 18th, 2004.

dont be! its a great album.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

GYBE, DMST, Kid Koala didn't make the voting list?
That's it, in protest I'm pulling out the Thrush Hermit and blaring it, coworkers be dammed fight the power.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so going to listen to The Downward Spiral right now

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"GYBE, DMST, Kid Koala didn't make the voting list?"

Yes, but the Guess Who were on there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Where Yes?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope Dookie shows up

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis is too rock to be britpop.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, if Oasis weren't britpop maybe I'd like Britpop.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Weezer at #94 = no hope for Dookie.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Song 2 was on the singles list Good Dr.

― danh (danh), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

you had good comments, Good Dr!

I just forgot to use them, gawd damit

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Song 2 was on the singles list Good Dr.

And so was Coffee + TV.

But no Blur Britpop single.

― KoenS, Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Haw, Gear you always put the most retarded out of context quotes from me.

My numbers two and three were in the first 5 :(

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Halifax Pop Explosion, forgotten abandoned alongside The Rheos, Neil Young (Ragged Glory), Sarah Mclaughlin (if U2 can make the list), Change of Heart and maybe even Sianspheric all put out great albums.

GYBE, DMST, Kid Koala didn't make the voting list?

All good choices, but you're zero for nine, Noodles. In fact, I believe Sloan and Shania are the only Canadians nominated.

For the 00's poll, New Pornographers and GYBE placed in the top 100, and I think that was it?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The Prodigy was my second vote to make it, I had it at #6. "Music for the Jilted Generation" is a damn good album, it's more varied than "Experience" (where all the tracks sound the same - they're good tracks though) and a billion times better than "Fat of the Land" (where they decided to become rock stars). It even has a three piece suite that sounds good! That flute on "3 Kilos" is killer.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think NIN is the only one of mine to make it so far, but Prodigy was really close to making my list. Now I wish I'd voted for it. I'm surprised it was this low.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

#86

THE FLAMING LIPS - The Soft Bulletin (255 points, 18 votes)

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"their only great record. everything before it is amateurish and fuzzy, with a smattering of great pop songs. bulletin sounded like they'd been through such a long and traumatic history, that they only had the energy to make melancholy orchestral music (with some oddball twists)."
-- Kilian

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

someone ban kilian for that comment, pls!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha - I thought that'd get people going.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd counter that soft bulletin and yoshimi might be the only AWFUL albums they've made!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Song 2 was on the singles list Good Dr.

Yes, but aside from it being by Blur, I don't think there's anyway you can count "Song 2" as britpop. "Coffee and TV," which was also in the list, is a little bit closer but still somewhat far.

you had good comments, Good Dr!
I just forgot to use them, gawd damit

Phew. You had me worried there. No hard feelings.

Can I post my Weezer and Oasis comments in this thread, or should I wait/refrain?

(TSB only at #86--this list keeps getting better and better!!)

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit!

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

How did "Fight Test" make it so high on the '00s singles poll and The Soft Bulletin (which most folks like better than Yoshimi) did so poorly on this poll?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

#85

SLEATER-KINNEY - Call the Doctor (256 points, 13 votes)

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"I love all their LPs, but 'Call The Doctor' still reigns supreme. No, it doesn't have Janet or steller production, but it's like some kind of mid-90s post-Riot Grrl 'Zen Arcade'-in-miniature and the emotion and emerging songcraft (not that I'm dissing the S/T, mind you) beats the shit out of most other records that decade..."
--John 2

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still shocked that TLC was only #100, I was convinced it would be a shoo-in for the top 30.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, either there is no hip hop in the top 100 or it's all way down there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

For ILM's collective sanity, I suppose it was beneficial to get S-K out of the way early (although "Dig Me Out" was also nominated).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

We're only at #88! 'Way down there' seems a bit strong to use at this point.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

True. I just figured that a Wu-Tang album or two would have shown up by now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i also do not understand why the soft bulletin placed so low when i think it is a far better disc than yoshimi. maybe its because the 2000's poll isnt a complete decade? maybe the 90's was a better decade?

i dunno

― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe cuz people came to their senses.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

So far I am represented with NOTHING.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

#84

JEFF BUCKLEY - Grace (258 points, 15 votes)

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"I always found Grace by Jeff Buckley to be a particularly good record for getting women to shag me..."
-- Nick Southall

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh that just can't be so low :'(

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There'll be Wu-Tang and related albums much higher, Alex, don't worry. Or there better be - I have 2 in my top 5...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think 36 Chambers has to be top ten, probably top five. I would hope to see a few others high up too - Cuban Linx and Liquid Swords, surely?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

So far the bottom of our list looks like the top of a major magazine's 90s list. I bet Nevermind is 83.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I have 36 chambers at 2 and liquid swords at 4.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

#83

GUIDED BY VOICES - Bee Thousand (260 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002363.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"when robert pollards a good songwriter, hes a great songwriter. "bee thousand" is a really great record for this reason."
--lucylurex

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

What makes britpop, britpop?

― danh (danh), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If steve lamacq played British artists in the mid 90s it was britpop.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

It had to be a bit showily British (well, English, frankly). Either in a kitchen-sink way, or just in the language used. Vaguely reminiscent of the Kinks, Madness or Small Faces, and proud to be pop, or at least pop-rock.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(very much in reaction to the heavy, angsty American noise of grunge)

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Basically it had to be rubbish, unless it was Pulp.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

#82

MORRISSEY - Vauxhall and I (265 points, 18 votes)

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"Spent last night playing the old Morrissey albums..... surprised to hear how well Vauxhall and I has aged. 'Now my heart is Full' is probably my favourite solo Moz (what a fantastic lyric....'loafing oafs in all-night chemists'), and the rest of the album is pure quality, too. 'Hold on to your friends', 'Lifeguard sleeping', 'I Am Hated for Loving'....the album sounds ,more like a greatest hits album than a normal album - every track is sterling, with single potential."
--russ t

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My God, Morrissey is handsome. My number 11. On albums - as a man, who knows...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

wow none of my choices have shown up yet. good or bad??

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The 90s were really awful, weren't they?

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha no, but you wouldn't know it from some of these choices.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

#81

SLEATER-KINNEY - Dig Me Out (271 points, 12 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003740.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Angry up the blood a lot! Oh, they're girls? Sing along then! And break your heart some. Tracks: "Dig Me Out"; "Turn It On"; "Words & Guitars" "
--Leeeter van den Hoogenband

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha well at least they are low.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

tomorrow will bring #80-61

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool, thanks for the hard work Gear.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Lots of great but retroactively loathed albums (NiN, Mellon Collie, Weezer) + a couple nice, appropriate choices (LAGWAFIS, Bee Thousand, Seamonsters) + a lot of overrated albums out of the way (TSB, Grace, S-K) = awesome list so far.

Oasis should've been way, way higher but I'll concede.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Today's portion of the 1990's poll results have been brought to you by "Magnet" ...

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Today's portion of the 1990's poll results have been brought to you by "Magnet" ...

hahhaha, but where's NMH?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank God S-K showed up after being shutout in the singles poll.

I'm hoping Basic Channel does well. I had it at #2. I don't see much hope for the terminally uncool "Six" by Mansun though (my #1).

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

actually Michael you have it reversed! BC was your #1, Mansun was your #2

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

also what I think I'll be doing is dropping 80-51 tomorrow, then leave the top 50 for next week. #50-31 on Monday, #30-11 on Tuesday, and the top 10 on Wednesday. I'd post it over the weekend, but I know fewer people post then and the debate would be less...

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how he calls it "dropping", like he is releasing a record.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://provost.ucsd.edu/hawmoi/images/haw.gif

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ha!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Morrissey spent the 1990s frozen in liquid nitrogen. But I could be wrong.

― outspan, Friday, 19 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

two of my top three have already made the list!

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a feeling Pisces Iscariot has been left in the dust :(

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 19 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Siamese Dream might do OK. You can't hope for too much for a B-sides comp.;)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what's worse, "They Reminisce Over You" being so criminally low on the singles list or frickin' Jeff Buckley finishing in front of Call the Doctor, Slim Shady, and CrazySexyCool.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

jeff buckley still can't catch a break from memphis!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Harrumph.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

did you have those two SK recs 1-2, Leeee??

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i like jeff buckley, i think

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

He's great. It took me a long time to come around. I thought he just lame 90's "alternative" crap for the longest time. Then I got over myself and sat down and actually listened closely to the record. It's really fairly amazing. I never got into the cult or anything like that -- Grace (placed ... lemme check.. #10 on my ballot) is still the only thing I've heard; i've still not investigated any of the posthumous effluvia..

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i have qualms about stuff on grace but i like much of it.

has anyone ever titled a record effluvia?

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

#1 and #9, actually.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Grace, too, though I never really listen to it straight through.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, Spin had Dig Me Out at 21 on their list!

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost re Buckley) I know it's a cliche by this point, but it is kind of a haunting record in a way, and not just he's dead or whatever. I always feel like I should be nursing a glass of wine while listening to it.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! I really should have disguised myself before writing that. Buckley can be a sensitive subject for some folks around here. (I lived in Minnesota while he was in Memphis, so his stay here is meaningless to me either way. I just always found him to be an unbearably self-involved singer.)

(I think I had Dig Me Out #1)

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(Yes, Corin Tucker. I know. Ear of the beholder. Blah blah blah.)

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I love him when he's doing his angelic choirboy spiel, when he's trying to be Robert Plant I switch off.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 19 November 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, either there is no hip hop in the top 100 or it's all way down there.

So Emimem and Lauryn Hill aren't hip hop? I think even their hatas would grant them that...

So far the list has been kinda what I expected: more rock and less rap and electronic music than in the singles list. I guess the reasons are obvious: electronic music is still judged by singles, and there is (yet) no clear consensus on what LPs should belong in the canon. Rap has managed to build an album canon, but it's fairly small, and I guess lots of it is still to appear on the list (36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Illmatic, Aquemini...).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 19 November 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Erm rap has a rather large canon; a lot of people on ILM probably aren't about to vote for it outside of a few.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

InSides isn't going to be in this list is it? You fuckers.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

electronic music is still judged by singles, and there is (yet) no clear consensus on what LPs should belong in the canon
I don't think that's true at all, for instance, witness the threads with titles "the 500 best ambient albums ever", etc. The canon exists, but as far as poll results go, a) will people vote for the canon?, and b) how will vote splitting affect the results?

From the singles poll, it seems clear which Saint Etienne singles are in the "StEt canon", and people did vote for those singles (since all five singles made the top 100). Vote splitting (possibly the result of too many songs nominated) brought down the totals for the singles individually. So, in the case of StEt, the answer to a) is yes, and the answer to b) is no.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but St. Etienne are indie pop.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"the 500 best ambient albums ever"

― :| (....), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"naem and" = "name any". its a coffee thing.

― :| (....), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, if there really is a canon on electronic music albums (as opposed to singles, which do have a canon), would you tell me what LPs are on it?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but St. Etienne are indie pop
I just picked that as an example to show that songs/albums not placing high on a poll doesn't necessarily mean that said songs/albums are not part of the canon.

I don't see why electronic music singles are more likely to be part of a canon than albums. One certainly couldn't conclude that based on the results of this poll, since hardly any electronic singles made the top 100.

not a good example because a) thee top 100 ambient thread was watered down with a shitload of beatless post-rock, ie it was by no means electronic only; and b) can you naem and ambient singles, like, separately released ones? i can, but theyre all on vinyl only. crosspost.
Good points, but how to define the canon other than (loosely) "a bunch of albums that are well-regarded by most fans of the genre". That is, the reputation of the albums is more crucial than precise genre or subgenre categorization.

Gotta sleep now guys (it's 5 AM here), talk to you all ~~tomorrow~~ later in the morning.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not looking good for 'Timeless', which is a better album than 'Deepest Cut' and 'Black Secret Technology' (reasons include 'fuller sound', better basslines and, er, i love jazz prog)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, if there really is a canon on electronic music albums (as opposed to singles, which do have a canon), would you tell me what LPs are on it?

all Underworld, Leftfield, Prodigy, Chems, Jaxx and Daft Punk albums, the three aforementioned D&B albums, maybe 808 State's 'Ex:El' (but no chance of that making this list dammit), 'Selected Ambient Works 2', 'Endtroducing' (if that counts)...

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The albums in the hip-hop and electronic canons are about as interesting to me as the albums in the rock canon, even though I love hip-hop and electronic stuff a lot more than I like rock. I don't like the idea that genre canons are inevitable, though I suppose they are...

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i more or less stand by that soft bulletin remark, fwiw. i think the cleaner production suited them. on yoshimi their misty-eyed wonder schtick felt a bit played-out, so "...bulletin" really is the only flips record i find satisfying. of course, i haven't heard *all* their albums, but i've heard enough pre-bulletin stuff to convince me that it was the album where they "came good"

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not particularly stand behind the "no good albums with music in the title" comment, though Jilted Generation is still brilliant.

A reminder to those paying attention: Oasis aren't brit-pop, because they aren't pop. The holy trinity is Blur, Pulp and Suede (whose Dog Man Star I'd expect to see place quite high).

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 November 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i'd written something about MFTJG

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not convinced Britpop would exist as a word if it wasn't for Oasis.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

there's going to be a bum rush of hip-hop towards the bottom

― Seuss, Friday, 19 November 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

The holy trinity is Blur, Pulp and Suede (whose Dog Man Star I'd expect to see place quite high).

Suede aren't Britpop, you mentalist!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

500 posts later, it is established that nothing is Britpop (except 'Parklife' and Menswear)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Suede are Britpop! Do you not remember that ridiculous Select cover?

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis weren't britpop, but the Gallaghers definentely were

― n-e-phil, Friday, 19 November 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Suede are the Godfathers of hiphop, sort of.
Their first singles inspired Damon Albarn to take Blur in a similar retro/Britishness direction. The rest is history.

I think it was quite convincingly argued though in the singles thread that there are two distinct versions of Britpop, where one has these oh-so-very-British lyrical themes, and musical allusions to everything from the Kinks to Madness to Squeeze to the Smiths (examples: Blur, Pulp, the indie side of St Etienne). The other having no particular lyrical themes other than love and champagne supernovars, and harking back musically in an irritatingly worship-y way to the Beatles, and the Beatles alone (ex: Oasis, Cast, Ocean Colour Scene).
Where Suede are in this bifurcation, i do not know.

― Koens, Friday, 19 November 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Godfathers of Britpop, not hiphop obv

― Koens, Friday, 19 November 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Though that would be a cool stance to take and try to defend.

― Koens, Friday, 19 November 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It's undeniable.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Their first singles inspired Damon Albarn to take Blur in a similar retro/Britishness direction.

'Retro' is true. I remember some reviewer scoffing at Modern Life is Rubbish, saying Blur were obviously jumping on the latest bandwagon and should just give up. But I wouldn't really call it a Britpop aesthetic that Suede set. It was a transatlantic glam sound, mocked by Mark E. Smith on 1993's 'Glam Racket'. I think of the Kinks as being the forefathers of Britpop, not T-Rex (or Bowie).

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

There isn't really a 'dance album canon' because all the aforementioned records are only really canonised because they've been accepted into the rockist canon at one point or another (well, except Omni Trio perhaps). The dance canon is almost entirely single/mix album based.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I think some kind distinction between home listening electronic music and dance music proper is important here. I think Bruner was talking about the former, largely.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba: Well quite, Bowie (as major influence) is where Suede and Blur would meet.
But maybe you're right and Suede aren't britpop in any strict sense at all. However, if Britpop = the anti-grunge, then Suede (and Auteurs) need to be included, as they were the first two bands that stood out (to me anyway) as saying: hey look, not everyone is a dire plaid-shirted miserabilist slacker (let's do speed and pretend we're happy instead).

― Koens, Friday, 19 November 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Koens OTM about britpop - the first set of bands got their first too, and were obviously about one million times better

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

NWONW

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

well either way a lot of dance albums have been effectively canonised, as have mix CDs (70 Minutes Of Madness, Live At The Liquid Room)...perhaps the general consensus is still not wide enough with dance music for this canonising to have any real effect on anything outside critical circles (most of the world still has no idea what a Jeff Mills is etc.)

(sure there's a difference tho between 'Computer World', 'Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld' and 'Rooty' that probably means putting them all in the SAME canon might be rather pointless)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I've said it before but I never equated Suede with the Britpop movement despite moving in similar circles (Frischman etc). I always saw them as a Goth-Pop band more than anything else.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

all Underworld, Leftfield, Prodigy, Chems, Jaxx and Daft Punk albums, the three aforementioned D&B albums

Hmm, I'd think many folks wouldn't include Underworld in any sort of canon, because their roots are elsewhere than in electronic (dance) music. Prodigy's third album is almost universally dissed for being too rockist, and the second one's stance is questionable as well. Leftfield's second LP doesn't get much love either, except for the singles. In fact, almost all the artists you list have at times been criticized for selling out by having too much rock influences and not being "electronic" enough.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I'd think many folks wouldn't include Underworld in any sort of canon, because their roots are elsewhere than in electronic (dance) music.

As are Daft Punk's. I don't think it really matters that much, outside of indie guilt over-reaction.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

they're all critically-acclaimed albums that sold pretty well. i'm not sure what other criteria one applies when canonising an album to be honest. i wasn't really thinking of it as 'dance' albums in dance canon' (e.g. Black Secret Technology) or 'dance albums in canon - with albums of other genres from the same period'. the question of how much they adhere to a supposed 'this is dance' aesthetic is different, but i don't think any of them are as far removed from it as you're suggesting myself.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

and if 'Dubnobasswithmyheadman' and 'Homework' aren't canon (dance or general) i don't know what is

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think some kind distinction between home listening electronic music and dance music proper is important here. I think Bruner was talking about the former, largely.

This needs a seperate thread. It's high time these two genres became generally accepted as utterly different from each other. It's like comparing Pink Floyd to Venom and saying they're the same genre.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I'd think many folks wouldn't include Underworld in any sort of canon, because their roots are elsewhere than in electronic (dance) music.

As are Daft Punk's. I don't think it really matters that much, outside of indie guilt over-reaction.

Well, yes, but Underworld shows their roots, i.e. they are decidedly non-dance, unlike Daft Punk. I had no idea "Dubnobasswithmyheadman" could be a part of a dance canon... And were "Fat of the Land" or "Rhythm and Stealth" really critically acclaimed (beyond the singles from those albums)? The former at least doesn't get much love on ILM.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like comparing Pink Floyd to Venom and saying they're the same genre.

They are! They are both rock.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Underworld are known for being a dance act, ultimately, foremostly. Daft Punk started off as a rock band (clue in the name!), but very few people have heard what they did before 'The New Wave' (including me). i didn't see anyone really slagging 'The Fat Of The Land' at the time, 'Rhythm & Stealth' got a reasonable response ('Phat Planet' not a single but ENORMOUS in clubs, as was 'Double Flash') and 'LEftism' doesn't get much love on ILM either frankly.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

and just to drop this in again, BANDS AREN'T OF GENRE, ONLY THEIR OUTPUT IS

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, Tuomas, any definition of dance that doesn't include Underworld is completely and utterly useless.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not often I agree with Andrew on anything dance-related but OTM just there.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, how can you exclude Underworld from dance music? Its like trying to argue that Oasis weren't Britpop.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Are the BNP Britpop now?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought you were going to mention Geri Halliwell's dress, dammit.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I considered it.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like comparing Pink Floyd to Venom and saying they're the same genre.
They are! They are both rock.

Exactly alba. We should just use the method of seperation employed by HMV and the like. Rock and Pop for Venom, Pink Floyd and S Club. One and the same.

― 3underscore (___), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That's one for the 'Albums that never were...'thread.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Friday, 19 November 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It seems like "Britpop" has become such a dirty word that people are defining it more and more narrowly, so that their favorite bands are excluded from the term. I guess I've always just used it to mean melodic British guitar rock of the 1990s (and esp. that which was 'distinctly' British, or at least more popular in the UK than elsewhere, by which I mean Bush doesn't count). So Blur, Oasis, Suede, Supergrass, all of 'em are Britpop to me.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

So is Pulp no matter how much you revisionist fuX0r want to deny it!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to say Pulp, too, I just forgot!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I always used the term to describe bands or songs that were self consciously British, which could exempt Oasis somewhat, as their Neil Young Obsession seeped into their sound, but Song 2 clearly fits along with Pulp and most of the other groups mentioned. Anyway, I don’t think it’s a disparaging description. In fact I find it pretty useful.

― danh (danh), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll fire off several of these before I jump in the shower and head to work.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

#80

THE KLF - Chill Out (273 points, 15 votes)

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"Chill Out is an almost flawless record, there's nothing else that feels quite like it."
-- Tom

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa- I just dl'ed that last night.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If I had known about it earlier, I would have voted for it.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed the voting for this, but seeing Chill Out in the back-end of the top 100 is the first pretty predictable placing on here for me.

― 3underscore (___), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

#79

OUTKAST - Aquemini (277 points, 20 votes)

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"i actually warmed to aquemini"
--trife

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

WOW AWESOME!!!!!!

I don't care about the rest of this list; seeing _Chill Out_ on it makes the whole thing worthwhile.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"Chill Out" OMG!!!!
(I see that its inclusion has provoked a similar response from Dan)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Ethan's comments totally damning with faint praise haha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

#78

HAPPY MONDAYS - Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches (278 points, 21 votes)

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"pills n thrills is just one of those records that keeps on giving as i and it age, respectively."
-- strongo hulkington

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

more to come!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't like it when people express surprise that records appear 'too low' on these polls but....i can't believe those last two albums are so low!

― pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think some kind distinction between home listening electronic music and dance music proper is important here. I think Bruner was talking about the former, largely.
With respect to albums, yes, I was referring to home listening. However, albums aren't played in clubs, so we generally don't refer to a albums canon for "dance music proper". Even when "home" and "club" worlds collide they are usually forcefully separated somewhere down the line ... for instance, "Mmm Skyscraper..." from "Dubnobass..." was a big club hit, but that has little do do with the *album's* (and perhaps even Underworld's) inclusion in the canon.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I thought all three of those would be much higher. This list is really shaping up to be very interesting.

I love and voted for all three of those, I think. I'm not too upset with the placing--Pills n Thrills especially is a very imperfect album--I think Aquemini should probably be significantly higher but once again, I'm cool with it.

Things aren't shaping up very well for Screamadelica (my #1) to place too high, though. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw it before the end of the day.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

#77

GREEN DAY - Dookie (279 points, 18 votes)

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"I was just listening to Dookie for the first time in a LONG while, and I was surprised at how well it holds up. I don't really care for any of Green Day's other albums, but that one is a really well- written and crafted pop album...I can't deny the songs on Dookie."
-- latebloomer

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I said goddamn.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck sake.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i feel old.

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

#76

AUTECHRE - Tri Repetae (280 points, 16 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Tri Repetae in headphones while drowsy is the absolute juice. Their music somehow makes so much sense; I won't use the word "architectural", but it's very visual, like slowly moving your eyes across a complex surface and suddenly noticing that the surface isn't just a pattern - it has *depth*, a depth that reveals even more intricacies, relationships between sounds, varieties of grain, than you noticed at first."
--Clarke B

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

This really is beginning to seem like a Spin list.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i honestly did not expect to be quoted for "dookie"!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Never really got the hang of Autechre myself. Always felt like I was missing something - they get very mathematical in interviews. Still, I saw them play live in a pub in Cambridge in the mid-90s and they were dark. Awesome.

(That's the key to the status of dance music in the UK in the 90s as discussed above. You could go and see Autechre in a pub in a small provincial town.)

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Autechre /= DANCE MUSIC!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yes but who said?

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

you can dance to 'Eutow' tho, but not as good as David Elsewhere

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, but that's where you're wrong. Back then it did. Nobody had invented Electronica or IDM as labels, so someone like them would be found along with Banco de Gaia or whatever in the DANCE section of your local store, or maybe in an Intelligent Techno bit.

The night in question was put on by some crusty techno collective or other and people DANCED. Obviously they stopped doing that once Autechre came on, but that's not the point.

In terms of audience, there wasn't a separate 'home listening' electronic market, so it all got called dance music.

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

#75

PJ HARVEY - Dry (281 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)

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can't seem to find a decent comment for this one!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

#74

THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS - Dig Your Own Hole (283 points, 18 votes)

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"Dig Your Own Hole is an amazing record. Funking and rocking and fantastically sequenced."
--JoB

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Jamie OTM

i've danced to autechre many times, and invariably will again.
in fact basscadet and anti and garbage and anvil vapre seldom leave my record box

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

man, it's kind of a travesty that Green Day places higher than, I dunno, all those other great albums that placed lower (starting with Chill Out which should have been higher)(no offense to you, latebloomer)

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

glad the Chems made it, that's probably my second favourite album of '97 after 'Homework'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

#73

ORBITAL - In Sides (284 points, 16 votes)

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"It's just as beautiful as any 20th century symphony ever could be. Doesn't it seem like the shimmering heavenliness of In Sides could be used as some sort of environmentally friendly energy source? I feel like I could drive my car across the country on an ounce of "The Girl WIth the Sun in Her Head," like I could run a marathon after drinking a half-liter of "P.E.T.R.O.L.," like I could be off my face all night and all through the next after popping a tab of "Out There Somewhere?" No album in the decade managed to be stimultaneously so powerful and so delicate at every single moment, and I find it hard to believe that there were too many composers of the past millenium that were able to do it either."
--The Good Dr. Bill

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF????????????????????

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow I feel like such a typical American now... I didn't vote, and I disagree with many of the results.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like a more typical American as I voted and I feel like my votes counted for nothing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently the Orbital caucus was in a coma during the voting period.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

#72

BLUR - Modern Life Is Rubbish (285 points, 14 votes, 3 first place votes)

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"Straight-up classic. One of my favorite pop albums of the 90's. Probably the album most responsible for infecting me with the dread disease Anglophilia."
-- yossarian

"There's an XTC interview in an old issue of The Big Takeover that talks about MLIR originally being produced by XTC, and Blur throwing out all the tracks because they sounded "too much like XTC" and hiring Stephen Street. How have I never heard about this? And I wonder what happened to the tapes?"
-- roxymuzak

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF????????????????????

-- MindInRewind (brune...), November 19th, 2004.

(i couldn't have said it better myself)

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you guys shocked it is so low? I'm more shocked that it made it all. I always think of the early records as the quintescentially Orbital ones.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

my comments were directed solely at the wtf comments below it

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)(Not that I know a huge amount about how Orbital records are rated by their biggest fans.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Now Orbital after the Brown one /= dance music.

Sniivilisation is really good, though, but I just couldn't be bothered after that. I've never even heard In-sides and I was one of their "biggest fans".

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

#71

MISSY ELLIOTT - Supa Dupa Fly (288 points, 20 votes)

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"I was listening to Supa Dupa Fly again today in short spurts, and when I focus on each track individually I'm amazed at how pearly-pert and attention-grabbing each production is."
-- Tim

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"Pearly-pert?"

That's either a shampoo or a really fucked up way to describe breasts.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

You should be pleased that In Sides made it all. There's going to be much gnashing of teeth later on when people realise that their favourite album is nowhere at all. Lauryn Hill and Seamonsters should have been much higher (esp. given the dross ahead of them) but am I moaning? YES.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the placement of Seamonsters is a real let down for me too, especially given that my other nomination won't even make the list

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

#70

BONNIE "PRINCE" BILLY - I See A Darkness (301 points, 14 votes, 2 first place votes)

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" "i see a darkness" - probably his all around best record, 38 minutes, short and sweet. dig the celtic/islands vibe on "madeline mary" and the fuzzed out sub-dub bass of "death to everyone." also, the last track may be the prettiest thing he's ever written."
--jess

"I See a Darkness is top. Saw a show right before that album was released & it was totally brilliant and scary. He's got some excellent songs (O How I enjoy the light & most of the first singles comp., for starters) & the lyrics tend to not fit properly in a fascinating way..

On the other hand I was in a record shop the other day & one of his new discs was on, and I wanted to scream I HATE Will Oldham! he's off key, he can't sing, this song is slow, and boring, and wretched, and only a college kid stopped up with indie guilt and lowered standards would think this was worth a moment of his/her time, and I HATE Will Oldham! argh!

Any artist that draws that kind of reaction is worth investigating, I think."
--daria gray

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

man, it's kind of a travesty that Green Day places higher than, I dunno, all those other great albums that placed lower (starting with Chill Out which should have been higher)(no offense to you, latebloomer)
-- Stormy Davis (electrifyingmoj...), November 19th, 2004.

none taken, these list things are hardly ever fair to anyone, lol!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I see a darkness is incredible. i'm glad it made the list.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

You should be pleased that In Sides made it all.
I'm not moaning about one of my faves (my #2) placing so low as much as I am dumfounded that I misjudged its popularity. I looked at the exit poll thread and in fact Orbital were named on about seven or eight ballots thus far, with support split amongst three different albums. Not a good sign for Orbital fans!
There is an extremely vocal Orbital contingent here, but I guess I've fooled myself into thinking it was a bigger group rather than the same smaller bunch (i.e. me, Dr. Bill, Nick, Dan, etc.) trumpeting their name over and over.
Again, I'm not complaining or disowning the list, I'm just re-evaluating some things in my head :)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

#69

DESTINY'S CHILD - The Writing's On the Wall (305 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"The main contribution of the group, as opposed to the producer, is the vocal control, the range and ability to clip or hold notes, the precise contrivance of the singing -- cf. John Cale's affected emotional breakdowns. That very contrivance adds to the powerful image -- women so strong they control their men, they control their money, they control their emotions -- cf. the controled violence of Pike Bishop in "The Wild Bunch"."
-- Sterling Clover

"they're so hot that their 'classic or dud' url is '4 sex'. obviously classic."
-- ethan

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

#68

KELIS - Kaleidoscope (310 points, 18 votes)

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"I think Kaleidoscope is one of the best albums of the last five years, and Get Along With You one of the best singles. Besides the brilliant production (the Neptunes best work, possibly), she is a terrific singer too. She might be the sexiest pop star of the last decade too, which does no harm."
--Martin Skidmore

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

:( I was really hoping that record would be higher.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

This next one makes me happy, while hoping it could have finished a little higher.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pleased as punched that record is on there though. It's one of my favorite records ever.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

#67

GRAVEDIGGAZ - 6 Feet Deep (311 points, 18 votes)

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"the first album is obv classic. i've worn my tape of it right out, and can never find it in uk shops for a decent price. i love the way it sounds like the exact midpoint between wu griminess and crisp prince paul poppiness. i love how schlocky it is, like a really OTT 80s slasher movie, but not in the slightest bit threatening - it's so goofy. every track is great. at the moment i'd probably say 'pass the shovel' is my favourite, it's bonkers, there's so much going on.
and grym reaper/2 poetic was a great mc, r.i.p."
-- pete b.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo hoo!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

That would have been my #30 had I heard it by the time I had to post my ballot! Woo!

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I wonder if UK listeners were confused by the different title. Wasn't it called Niggamortis there? Also one of my favorite records ever.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm ashamed to say I only voted Kaleidoscope in 23rd place. I only got it relatively recently and if I voted now it would be much higher.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Kaleidescope was weirdly #10 on my list. It probably should have been higher. (Six Feet Deep was #2 although really 2-4 are all just about tied in my mind.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Niggamortis is an absolutely amazing title.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

also, an amazing album cover

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I am guessing it got KMD'd in the states.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Niggamortis is an absolutely amazing title.

Yeah, when I was younger I used to want to start a rap group called this, though I'm whiter than white and wouldn't dare, really.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and then I found out there was an album called this, so it kind of stole my thunder.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha okay that was a creepy revelation, Kevin.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

#66

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - Tigermilk (313 points, 16 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Gin, ecstasy, knives on bike chains and caravanettes in Hull. Who says Belle and Sebastian aren't ROCK N ROLL?!?"
--hobart paving

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

sooooooo looooooooooooooow
everything is soooooooooooo loooooooooooooooowwwwww

xpost - that could be lower though.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I was gonna say 71-67 were great FUCK YOU RUINING IT B&S FANS!!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely you could have found something better that I said about MLIR. Although I understand picture comments are frowned upon.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn man, this list is crazy. Weren't people pegging In Sides for top ten? I certainly would think it'd be around there. And I think the Chems should've been much, much higher but I guess I should be glad they're on there at all.

And yeah, I'm slightly disturbed that DC beat out both of 'em. Only on ILM...

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

God, Tigermilk is so for lamers.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Can that be in its comments? I feel it represents a large portion of ILX pretty well.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The shocking thing about Destiny's Child record placing so high is that their singles did nothing in the singles poll. But it is great record (just mostly on the strength of the singles though.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha - it's far from my favourite B&S album, but I'm so glad it's annoying all you proper lamers.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

#65

PJ HARVEY - To Bring You My Love (320 points, 17 votes)

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"Anyone who doesn't like or admire "To Bring You My Love" is another The Rapture/Stills/Shins/et al purchase away from being declared legally retarded. Sorry if that means you, reader."
-- JesusMaryChain

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

There is an extremely vocal Orbital contingent here, but I guess I've fooled myself into thinking it was a bigger group rather than the same smaller bunch (i.e. me, Dr. Bill, Nick, Dan, etc.) trumpeting their name over and over.
Again, I'm not complaining or disowning the list, I'm just re-evaluating some things in my head :)

Yeah, Orbital got fucked on the songs poll, but for some reason I really thought they'd fare much better on albums. Was Brown nominated? If it was, it might still have a chance (even though it's one of my least favorite Orbital albums).

I voted In Sides number 2 and I think Snivilisation #14.

*side question: with Beaucoup Fish, hardly Underworld's most beloved album, placing on the list and dnbwmhm yet to come, will this list finally be the answer to Underworld vs. Orbital?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think people ducked out of voting for DS singles cause there were so many great ones on TWOTW - they just voted for that instead.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone who admires records really needs better fucking role models.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet Blue Lines will be in soon.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm lazy today, Roxy!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The shocking thing about Destiny's Child record placing so high is that their singles did nothing in the singles poll. But it is great record (just mostly on the strength of the singles though.)

I like maybe two songs of theirs. I'm consistently shocked with how high they rate around here. Well, I guess I'm no longer shocked...just a little disappointed.

yeah, yeah, PJ Harvey, whatever. Pretty good, but get her out of the way.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbital's Brown will do much better than In Sides. I said this before, but you Orbital menkos were all like "No no - In Sides is where it's at".

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, Nick, I like B and S so I'm allowed to call Tigermilk fans lamers. It's just the wrong record!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbital's Brown will do much better than In Sides. I said this before, but you Orbital menkos were all like "No no - In Sides is where it's at".

fucking silent majority.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

IYFS will be higher, though, roxy - are you assuming it won't be? Personally, I like TWATTYBUS best, but I don't know if it will make it. I hope so.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope you're right, it's my favorite. I guess I did assume that more than one B and S on the list wouldn't happen.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

TWATTYBUS?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there are very many albums more certain to be on this list than If You're Feeling Sinister. But I guess we'll see.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I stake my ridiculous notions of reputation on IYFS being still to come.

x-post

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Orbital got fucked on the songs poll, but for some reason I really thought they'd fare much better on albums. Was Brown nominated?
"Brown" and "Sniv" AND "Middle of Nowhere" ... vote splitting may have done them in, and the evidence on "post your ballots" thread appears to support that supposition.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(TWATTYBUS = TBWTAS = The Boy With The Arab Strap)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the worst acronym ever!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

So glad to see Dookie on there. Billie Joe's a great pop songwriter and the album's got no filler in the first 10 tracks. Does what other pop-punk acts could only manage for a hit single or two. Also, it already begins to reveal the depth to GD's songwriting that would emerge later, another thing lacking with their peers.

― smirky, Friday, 19 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

How did TBWTAS become TWATTYBUS, exactly?

"Brown" and "Sniv" AND "Middle of Nowhere" ... vote splitting may have done them in, and the evidence on "post your ballots" thread appears to support that supposition.

sigh. What a gyp. Though I can't imagine who would vote for MoN and not In Sides...

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Also, it already begins to reveal the depth to GD's songwriting that would emerge later, another thing lacking with their peers."

Oh please. The only thing that emerged was his pention for whining all the fucking time.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

At least he was gracious enough to ask us to listen first.

― danh (danh), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

#64

UNDERWORLD - Second Toughest In the Infants (321 points, 14 votes, 2 first place votes)

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"second toughest was one of those leave it in the CD player and play it over and over again cds."
--Alan Trewartha

"It's the only cd in history I have ever worn out."
-- roxymuzak

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't even know that was nominated.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Assuming "Dubnobass ..." is still to come, at least the Underworld albums are appearing in the correct order.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Although why they are appearing at all is beyond me. ;)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX is beyond all of us

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry about the TWATTYBUS thing. You're lucky you didn't get FISHYCLAP.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

There's going to a lot of acts who will have there votes split between different albums. I'd guess B&S, Orbital, PJ Harvey, Underworld and Saint Et will suffer because of it.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

#63

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - The Boy With the Arab Strap (328 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"I bought 'The Boy With The Arab Strap' in a sale and THEN got into the lyrical/emotional end of things thanks to the title track and "Sleep The Clock Around", both of which I thought were brimful of a sympathy, humanity and depth pretty much entirely lacking from any other indie music I knew about (They're still my favourite songs). The basic situations - self-dislike and fucked-upness, and loneliness/nervousness in a big city - were familiar stuff, yeah, but the sympathy with which Murdoch treats his characters is very impressive, the way Sleep The Clock moves from fucked-upness to exhausted redemption, the way Boy With combines big city nervousness with wit, detail and local colour.

And the music was SO GORGEOUS too - both those tracks dropped verse- chorus indiepop for a more rolling, highly-arranged (and rhythmic!) structure which mirrors the mood of the song - a build-up to a point of release on one hand, and a jaunty-but-soothing repetition on the other."
--Tom

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

TWATTYBUS, FISHYCLAP
so i take it there's a fair sinister contingent here at ilx then?

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

re: Boy w/ the Arab Strap
I always thought "Rollercoaster Ride" was as close to "Waterloo Sunset" anyone will ever come. It's gorgeous.

― john'n'chicago, Friday, 19 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Bless you all! 'Sleep The Clock Around' is probably my favourite track of the 1990s.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, my point proved instantly. xpost.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Assuming "Dubnobass ..." is still to come, at least the Underworld albums are appearing in the correct order.

True. And I'm glad they're making it, they certainly deserve it (dnbwmhm was in my top ten), just not as much as Orbital.

At least we're done with B&S for the next 40 or 50.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sleep the Clock Around" is indeed wonderful ... the best B&S song I have heard by a country mile.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

#62

TEENAGE FANCLUB - Bandwagonesque (330 points, 21 votes)

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"Teenage Fanclub took everything which was good about Big Star (melody, the guitars and good lyrics) and left out all the bad things like too many drugs, schmaltz and overproduction."
--alex in mainhattan

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

rentboy: Are you, or have you ever been, a member of sinister?

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The scariest thing about this list is that St. Etienne haven't even placed yet. And they had five albums nominated.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

#61

WEEZER - Pinkerton (332 points, 17 votes)

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"It's Pinkerton where they made, IMO, the definitive post-feminist crush album. It's really the finest case of a guy singing from the perspective of someone who thinks he's beneath her attention, rather than that she's some kind of evil force. He uses a Jonathan Richman-level frankness to express this and a sloppy grandeur musically equally inspired by pop-metal and indie rock. Without hearing Pinkerton there's really no way to appreciate why this band gets so many kudos."
-- Anthony Miccio

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

still the worst album cover ever

x-post: Bandwagonesque

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Not so much worst as "most bizarrely inappropriate".

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Where I felt a slight bit of regret before, now seeing Belle And God Damn Motherfucking Sebastian, I am absolutely full of RELIEF for not having participated in this top 100. Fucking AY yall.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The scariest thing about this list is that St. Etienne haven't even placed yet.
I noticed that too! And Pulp haven't shown up yet either, although with only two of their albums being nominated, I think we'll be waiting a while for them to show up. We've already seen the strength of the Pulp vote and both those albums inspire crazed fanaticism.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing to remember is that sales figures will highly influence this poll. For instance if a disc sells 1,000,000 and only 1% like it that's still 10,000 people. If another album sells 10,000 and 50%like it, the 2nd album will still have only half the fans (though probably much more critical acclaim and devotion).

Same goes for the poll, the more people that heard the record, the more likely it could appear.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I bumped "Teenage Fanclub" from my ballot at the last minute. I love it, but thirty picks are thirty picks. It's the best grunge album ever made, but of course you all knew that already.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Pinkerton being so much higher than the debut sorta goes against that, though. I'm really sort of surprised about that, but I guess both albums are equally great in their own ways.

I noticed that too! And Pulp haven't shown up yet either, although with only two of their albums being nominated, I think we'll be waiting a while for them to show up. We've already seen the strength of the Pulp vote and both those albums inspire crazed fanaticism.

Yikes. With only two albums nominated (and almost everyone seeming to prefer DC to HnH), Pulp's pretty much guaranteed the #3 spot. How did This is Hardcore escape nomination, anyway?

Luckily I think we're pretty safe from two of SE's albums--I can't see Good Humor or Continental placing this high--but for the other three, look out.

If Bandwagonesque had "Everything Flows," it would be one of my favorite albums ever. As is, it just doesn't quite make it.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

#60

SAINT ETIENNE - Foxbase Alpha (336 points, 18 votes)

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"I listened to Foxbase Alpha on the bus from school to downtown yesterday, and it absolutely made my day."
--derrick

"Foxbase Alpha was the soundtrack of my first experiences with the herb."
--oops

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

It begins...

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Stereolab has the most notable absence currently. They had, what, five or six albums nominated? I figured even with all the vote-splitting, they'd ahve a handful in the bottom 40. So are they gonna show up 4 or 5 times in the top 50 or what?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

#59

STING - TEN SUMMONER'S TALES (406 points, 28 ballots)

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"possibly the funkiest record ever recorded" - Alex in NYC

― PSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCHE (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Five albums.

Could go either way, really. Lemme check the exit polls.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ahahahahahahahaha

shit, you had me going JB!!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

There's way too much freaky karma floating around here ... Dr. Bill mentions StEt, and they show up next ... Billy mentions B&S vote splitting, and they show up next ... I'm starting to think that Gear is monitoring the thread discussion and making up the list as we go along ... :)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

SABOTEUR!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(cue "Sting would have been better" retorts when I post #59)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The midget stole the actual poll results.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, Sting is going to show up for real now

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Stereolab ... only ETK has much of a chance at this point. I'm a big fan, but the 'Lab churn out lots of very good albums but not many excellent ones.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Based on the exit polls, looks like Stereolab fans could have largely screwed themselves over here. Emperor was the most popular but by a truly negligible margin. Doesn't seem very likely.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

REASONS WHY ORBITAL DIDN'T PLACE HIGHER:

1. I forgot to vote. AGAIN.
2. Not everyone on ILM has my magic ears that can easily decode Orbital's greatness.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. I'm never sure which the favourite Stereolab album is.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd guess either etk or trnbwa (ie. those are my two fave); etk's the biggest 'hit' right?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

1. I forgot to vote. AGAIN.
2. Not everyone on ILM has my magic ears that can easily decode Orbital's greatness.

3. You can't vote albums higher than #1.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was out of etk, trnbwa and d&l. This is not as a big fan - just going by other people's raves.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ETK and TRNBWA are probably the albums most loved by critics, with ETK getting the edge only because more people were paying attention to them by that point.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, ETK's the biggest "hit", the hardcore fanbase pick is usual "TRNBWA", and my favourite is "Mars Audiac Quintet" so :P to all of you.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

D&L never gets any love! (Except from me and Josh Kortbein.)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I've obviously been reading the wrong things!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

That albums 61-63 placed higher than 67-69 proves BY SCIENCE that a lot of ILM is very tin-eared.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Dots and Loops is my favorite as well. It has all the cheepas and la la's, and boom booms.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

#59

ELASTICA - Elastica (339 points, 26 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"If you took The Strokes album and coloured in all the scratchy grey and made sure that every track had several spine-tingling g-spot moments and crammed it full of joyous girl-harmonies and "Ooh"s and lyrical content which allows you to play 'spot-the-references-to- relatively-intriguing-well-documented-vaguely-incestuous-tangled- relationship-history-with-Other-Popular-British-Bands-Of-The-Day-And- Key-Members-Of-Aforementioned-Bands' and placed mirror perpendicular to it in (possibly scientifically improbable, i dunno, this approaching Physics) attempt to create extra dimension, THEN you might have the first Elastica album."
--Alex Linsdell

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh wait, I remember nominating something for these. Gza's Liquid Swords and Mr. Bungle's California IIRC. My predictions: Gza = top 10 (deservedly), Bungle = lower than 100 (quite UNdeservedly).

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost:) Brilliant. I want that as a comment if it ever shows up. (It won't.)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha now that record isn't worse than the Sting one (actually it also probably better than 61-63 too.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why I didn't vote for Elastica. I probably should've. I only voted for 20 albums, though.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

That albums 61-63 placed higher than 67-69 proves BY SCIENCE that a lot of ILM is very tin-eared.

They're different genres though. For me, the outrage is that #59 and #61 could rank above #92 and #63.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean for fuck's sake - Elastica is like new wave for 5-year-olds.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The Elastica record is the worst to appear thus far.
That albums 61-63 placed higher than 67-69 proves BY SCIENCE that a lot of ILM is very tin-eared.
I know you're taking the piss a bit here, but there were only 20 points separating those albums.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(I love getting into the comedy indignation)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha yeah those 20 points are the greatest tragedy since Petula Clark blah blah blah

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

That Elastica record is fucking awsome. Better than any other "britpop" of the time save maybe Pulp. I was listening to this the other day and the sound on it alone is reason for it to be there. The guitar sound is pretty unbeatable.

― danh (danh), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Elastica is really fun!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Pinkerton: The only good emo album ever. In fact, the only non-outrageously-godawful emo album ever.

Bandwagonesque: What the HELL is wrong with the album cover???

TWATTYBUS: I can't believe Pitchfork gave this album a 0.8 or some shit like that.

Elastica: Don't know.

Sting: I like "Fields of Gold."

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 19 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Modern Lovers is the best emo album ever

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting that Alex Linsdell brings up the Strokes in his/her appreciation. The 'oh do we have to do all this again, worse, but with more ridiculous attitude' reaction Alex has to the Strokes is what I was like when Elastica came out. Now I'm less uptigh, I can appreciate the Strokes as fun, but I'm not ready to reevaluate my disdain for Justine Justine Frischmann's nonsense yet.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr. Snrub is the anti-ME which makes Burns Rm!!! AHA!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

#58

STEREOLAB - Emperor Tomato Ketchup (341 points, 24 votes)

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"Emperor Tomato Ketchup my favorite creamy Stereolab album."
--James Blount

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(I am secretly in love with her, obv., hence the folorn calling of her name, above)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

man the chicks love the elastica at indie rock karaoke lemme tellya

xpost - i have no idea what the fuck i meant by that

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

... I'm starting to think that Gear is monitoring the thread discussion and making up the list as we go along ... :)

-- MindInRewind (brune...), November 19th, 2004 3:55 PM. (later)

He's rubbing it in our faces now, people.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

things i'll miss about election 2004 pt. xxix: 'emperor tomato ketchup' jokes

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked that Stereolab record best when it came out. It's cooled to me since, but it's still really good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

#57

DE LA SOUL - De La Soul Is Dead (342 points, 18 votes)

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"De La Soul Is Dead is one of the greatest hip-hop albums of all time for three reasons: 1) Sonic Inventiveness (everything was cutting-edge, Mase's production and beats and samples were not as "crazy" but hit even harder on 3FH&R); 2) Punk Rock Attitude (let's hit back at our critics from the first album and forestall critics of this album); 3) Serious Introspection (looking at self-love and self-hatred, the there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I vibe in the second half of "Bitties in the BK Lounge," family problems in "My Brother's a Basehead" and "Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa"). And, if pressed, I'd say that 4) would be the great filmstrip-comic book concept.
More important, though, the bangin' tunes: "A Roller-Skating Jam Called Saturday" has more hooks than a Meadowlark Lemon video tribute, and "Oodles of O's" anticipates a lot of 90's style in its sloppy/tight chorus (Wu-Tang, etc.)."

--Matt C

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh maybe there won't be a lot of Stereolab albums then. I was just thinking they seem like they'd get a whole lot of love in this poll. Transient Noise Bursts might show up, otherwise that's it for the 'lab, methinks.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh wow. I'm surprised De La made it! Yay!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

'Sleep The Clock Around' is quite Stereolabby, but I guess there's no convincing you, Alex.

I've still never heard De La Soul Is Dead.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Is "Sleep The Clock Around" the second song on TWATTYBUS?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It is. If that's the one with the moog-y organ bit then you are right and that's the only part of that album I like.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I am going to slit my wrist for using that acronym. What the fuck is wrong with me?!?!?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted for 'A Roller-Skating Jam Called Saturday' in the tracks poll though. I really should get DLSID, but it would feel weird now.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(If I'd voted, De La would also have been higher.)

(Argh.)

(Jessica, you should absolutely get DLSID.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

#57
DE LA SOUL - De La Soul Is Dead (342 points, 18 votes)

d'oh! my #2!!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

OK Matt.

x-post.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Well at least De La Slow made it. hurrah.
I'm now protesting this list by listening to Twice Removed.
So we are at what, 2 albums not made in the States/UK?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, just a guess: 1) Loveless, 2) Nevermind 3) Screamadelica.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

When the countdown reaches 50, will someone compile a half time summary. thanks.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I always had in the back of my mind that it was like Smiley Smile to the Smile it would have been if they hadn't had such copyright clearance problems. But I may have magnified these problems in my mind, based on some erroneous NME article.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

#56

ORBITAL - Orbital 2 (The Brown Album) (344 points, 20 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004T6UZ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"The Brown album was really where it was at. In fact, I almost want to jump off a bridge right now for selling it once. I heard it playing in a store recently and was ridden with guilt. I just figured I'd be able to buy it again someday. Maybe I'll go straight to the store after writing this and rectify this horrible situation immediately. The Brown album hangs together better because one song flows into another, one idea flows into another."
-- bimble

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

1) SKID ROW - Slave To The Grind

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually think . . . is Dead is better than their first record.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

awright, running out for lunch. #55-51 when I return.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That's because DLSID is better than the first album, Alex!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

We've had eight of my choices so far:

Belle & Sebastian - The Boy with the Arab Strap
The Wedding Present - Seamonsters
Lauryn Hill – The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
Belle & Sebastian - Tigermilk
Destiny’s Child – The Writing’s On the Wall
The Flaming Lips – The Soft Bulletin
Kelis - Kaleidescope
Teenage Fanclub – Bandwagonesque

Which is more than I thought before I counted.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha I suspected as much, but I couldn't remember what conventional wisdom was, Dan.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

We've had five of mine so far, but I am wagering that at least 10 more will show by the end.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, just a guess: 1) Loveless, 2) Nevermind 3) Screamadelica.

-- Mr Noodles (infinitecow...), November 19th, 2004 9:40 PM. (later)

I'd be v.surprised if 69 Love Songs wasn't top 3. If it won I wouldn't be surprised either.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

cw (and ew) sez debut best, and if you asked me i'd say i agreed (3fthar was a BIG hit at the eighth grade def dance 89), but dlsid really is better.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

my guess top 3: 1) mbv - loveless 2) pulp - different class 3) wu-tang - enter the 36

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You forget, the number of us who are actually Ned in real life would not allow this to happen.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

My money for the top three is on Loveless, OK Computer, Different Class.

xpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

69 Love Songs won['t beat out Loveless or OK Computer, but it will be top 10. I had it at #3 i think.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope Blount is right. I've been listening to Enter the 36 Chambers a lot this week and it actually sounds better than ever.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

o yeah ok computer, yeah that's probably 2

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

alex otm re: 36 chambers. it's weird. the albums i always expect to age poorly age really really well (see also: is this it).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck My Boring Valentine. they didn't even sniff my list.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis - Deffo Mayhaps, Underworld -BF and 2nd Toughest, Buckley - Grace, Dookie, Blur - MLIR (OBV), I See A Darkness, TF - Bandwagonesque, and Elastica are mine that placed so far, I think.

Crap, I missed an opportunity to say "Pinkerton? More like Stinkerton" again.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"weezer, more like sneezer"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I'm REALLY surprised by the Sting entry. I thought he had released only crap in the '90s. I haven't listened to this album though. Still, I really don't think that even Sting at his best could be better than Foxbase Alpha.

― daavid (daavid), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"re: 36 chambers. it's weird. the albums i always expect to age poorly age really really well"

What makes it weirder is that I am sure there have been times (in the last 5 years) WHERE I did think this album had maybe dated a little.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I'm going to predict the top ten
Loveless, OKC, Different Class, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, 69LS, Illmatic, Nevermind, HisNHers, Blue Lines

Now I will check the exit polls and discover that I'm on crack.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm listening to Organized Konfusion's first album right now. Pity that neither this nor Stress have a chance in hell of making it.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if there is any support for The Young Gods - Only Heaven? apart from the esteemed Number 1 vote of myself

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

haha alex. i almost mentioned that very same thing. in the late '90s i think it came off poorly (while the raekwon and gza records, to me at least, sounded BETTER) but now it's totally reversed

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i think ready to die will be top ten and do better than illmatic (it's the source awards all over again!)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I still like Liquid Swords and OB4CL better, certainly better sequenced. 36 Chambers is still one of my favorite albums ever.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ready to Die is like my favorite album ever, I have no problem with it beating Illmatic.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, sting was a joke. put the pipe down.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

so far outkast is the only thing i voted for that's shown up and i'm pretty sure that everything on my ballot* will place, the only one i even vaguely doubt is gza.

*i only voted ten

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Liquid Swords is now the first string Wu solo album I like the least.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Tical is my favorite.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

GZA will definitely make it. It's been the most-talked about record in this thread so far!

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess Sonny got shut out, huh?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That's definitely the other Wu album that has totally grown on me. The production is so beautiful in a totally lo-fi, dank way.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a theory that it's kanye's sunshine symphonies that make the rza's stuff sound timely again, but that's for another thread

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

#55

A TRIBE CALLED QUEST - The Low End Theory (345 points, 27 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000004X7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"The Low End Theory ... purest distillation of what hip-hop is about."
-- Chris O.

"Quite possibly the album I've listened to the most times in my life (like everyday from 8th-11th grade)"
-- supercub

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Basically for me....

OB4CL>LS>Enter the 36>Tical>Ironman>Return to the 36

xpost too low.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't OB4CL as much as that.

Enter the 36>Tical>Return to the 36>OB4CL>Liquid Swords>Ironman (BIG drop on the last one which I hardly rate at all.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm in the midst of distilling all of the wu to 20 tracks and this is fucking hard.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yanc3y, you have my fucking sympathy. That's a thankless task.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ironman has some of the best tracks individually, as a whole though its overlong and too much boringness. But you can't deny "Daytona 500" or "Winter Warz"

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Except that whatever 20 you pick will be great. . . but you will immediately begin to second guess yourself.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh or "Black Jesus"

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I can't deny them, but that's like two tracks. All the other records are really consistent (even OB4CL which is also overlong.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yanc3y, are you doing a POXX for ALL eras of wutang, or just first wave?

edit: OB4CL SHOULD be overlong, cuz its fucking long, but I can't think of a track I would cut. And as far as I'm concerned, its the most immaculate album RZA would produce.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

#54

UNDERWORLD - Dubnobasswithmyheadman (347 points, 22 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003RGL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"dubno is Bernard Summer discovering Fool's Gold on a 4/4 skyscraper in a city of balkanized thoughts. so classic Christ was on crutches."
-- slippyepic

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

there's really no rhyme or reason to this so far, djdee. i decided to throw into a playlist my favorite wu-related tracks and came up with 40 off the top of my head (bizarrely, FOUR of them from the w!!!!).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The W is GREAT though. I can think of three tracks off the top of my head that would make any Wu comp I made!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

click click, gravel pit, hollow bones, jah world

okay, it's time to revive a wu thread.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The W has some great tracks, as does Iron Flag..."Babies" from Iron Flag is one of my favorite Wu tracks ever.

Don't forget that track w/ Nas, I forget the name of it!!!

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"Let My Niggaz Live," that's one of the best Wu-Tang tracks ever.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha you named the 3 on the first try. Oh yeah that Junior Reid track is great too. Fuck the whole album is great except for "Conditioner".

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"Don't forget that track w/ Nas, I forget the name of it!!!"

Haha yeah how could we forget that track. . . oh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

#53

PET SHOP BOYS - Behavior (348 points, 20 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002UWL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"the older I grow, Behavior is starting to sorta creep into my psyche"
--rentboy

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

since there is a three-way tie for #50, I'll start on Monday at #49...

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

D'oh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow - they respelled Behaviour for the American market.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was looking at that wondering where the 'u' is.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This list is crazy.

And I think MiR is right on here--I really can't see any way that the top three won't end up DC, OKC and Loveless. Of course it probably won't now, but it's hard to imagine.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of forgot about DC, despite voting for it. OK, I would be surprised if 69LS weren't top 4 then.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

#50 (tie)

DEPECHE MODE - Violator (351 points, 18 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002LK1.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"I'm listening to Violator right now and I'm getting pissed off that I never got to see them on this tour even when I had tickets. The girl's mom who was supposed to drive us to Atlanta got sick and no one else's parent would do it. Even though the group of us only had permits, we debated jacking a car and going anyway."
-- Johnny Fever

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It's gonna be Blue Lines.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

At #1? No way. Americans could give a shit about Massive Attack for the most part.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

#50 (tie)

BECK - Odelay (351 votes, 22 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003TBP.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

What's the most feverishly excited you've ever been about an upcoming album?

"I almost exploded a testicle in my sleep the night before Odelay! came out."
-- nickalicious

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ok alex you aren't allowed to claim that level of awareness AND drop your jaw in shock every 5 albums.

(x-post)

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I only meant tied for 50! But alas, my feelings were wrong.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

there's still a third in the tie to come!

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm shocked that you would say something like that, Anthony. Shocked and appalled.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

#50 (tie)

PRIMAL SCREAM - Screamadelica (351 points, 23 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002LR3.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Screamadelica is not dance music, but music to sit back to and float away upon."
---Tijn

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha - so much for top 3, suckers.

I think Fear Of A Black Planet might be top 5 too, but it's possible I'm deluded on this front.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow three albums I've have a certain fondness for, but have never really like that much all tied. What are the odds of that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

You are deluding yourself, I would say.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

the top 50...er, 49 will commence on MONDAY!

50-21 on Monday
20-1 on Tuesday

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

49-21 that is

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

tough but fair!

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Man I've just got the fatty delayed reaction thing going today.

Cause like I'm still wrapping my head around the idea that Soft Bulletin was #86...

Dammit I should have voted.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been internetless for the last two days and have only just located this, the Elastica comment above was possibly my first ever ILX post ever ever and I guess I stand by it although I only voted the album mid-20s. But it is still so very joyous.

― Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Destiny's Child over TLC??? COME ON!

"The main contribution of the group, as opposed to the producer, is the vocal control, the range and ability to clip or hold notes, the precise contrivance of the singing

See, I'd say that their exactness is their biggest weakness. Look at TLC: They may have not have had the precision tuning, but at least they have some fucking personality, something that Destiny's Child, who consist entirely of backup singers, do not.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

PRIMAL SCREAM - Screamadelica (351 points, 23 votes, 1 first place vote)

Sigh. So close to escaping the day.

I don't know what I'm going to root for now, honestly.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The Roots
Roots Manuva
Beastie Boys' Root Down EP

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm rooting for:
Basic Channel
Souvlaki (will it still show up? I doubt that it would be this high)
Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld

So many indie darlings have shown up so far (DM, the Scream, Beck, B&S, Stereolab, etc.), with their most highly regarded albums no less -- it's looking like the top 50 will be LOADED with hip-hop. And Pulp. And techno (plz).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

GRUNGE.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha yeah how could we forget that track. . . oh.

God you are obnoxiously full of smarm sometimes. Go listen to it again or something, its a standout track.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

dee, I think he was just teasing you for writing "don't forget that track ... I forget the name of it!!"

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah that was what I was doing. Whatever.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm rooting for:
Basic Channel
Souvlaki (will it still show up? I doubt that it would be this high)
Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld

Honestly, I've never even heard of this Basic Channel thing before. What is it, exactly? Based on the number of people who've chimed in for it I think it's got a chance.

I'd say Souvlaki is a near-lock. Unfortunately, so is Ultraworld--the idea of that beating any album by Orbital, Underworld or the Chems sickens me slightly.

Still rooting for:

Boo Radleys - Giant Steps (possible, not very likely)
Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen (virtually no chance)
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One (fairly good chance)
The Prodigy - Experience (even odds)
Boredoms - Super AE (should place pretty high)

Also rooting for Post to be higher than Homogenic.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost Aite whatever there's only one track w/ Nas on that album so it wasn't like unbelieveably hard to figure out, anyway point is blah.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If you are incapable of seeing the humor in the sentence you typed, dee, I can't help you. (Also I just listened to that track and it is, as I said, like everyone else on that record minus "Conditioner" amazing.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)
Basic Channel was a Berlin techno label, they released nine (vinyl-only) singles in 1993-4 and collected some of the highlights of those records on a 1996 CD comp. It was a highly minimal, dub-drenched style and those few releases ended up influencing countless other labels. If you've heard Pole (who cut his teeth as an engineer for BC) or Plastikman's "Consumed" then you'll have a good idea of the BC approach.

I wasn't sure if the album would inspire consensus but there have been four top ten shoutouts for it on this thread, so I'm feeling confident about it.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

De La Soul Is Dead

WTFF?? This is like a Spin list now!

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty certain by this point that zero Ween records made the list, since there was pretty much no way any of them out of three records nominated would place higher than #50.

I usually get really pissed whenever I have to read people write "OMFG MY FAVORITE FUCKING ALBUM IS ONKLY AT NUMBER SEVENTY THREE?!?!?!?" but seriously, ZERO Ween, in a "Best albums of the 90's list".. I expected better from you people.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ween are on the list

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

this list is terrible.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

whining about belle & sebastian and pulp never does get old, does it?

― todd swiss (eliti), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The Basic Channel catalog is some of the most incredibly absorbing dub/echo chamber music I've ever heard. Not to mention the amount of clarity and depth they get from their grainy, lo-fi production.

They are also extremely influential to labels like Scape, Force, Kompakt, etc, but the music speaks by itself.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 20 November 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"ween are on the list"

The nominations list, yes. I said that.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 20 November 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,44615,00.jpg
"Needs more Ween."

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 20 November 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Also rooting for Post to be higher than Homogenic.
-- The Good Dr. Bill (fadeout9...), November 20th, 2004 7:59 PM.

You might as well root for Rupert Murdoch's tax refund.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 20 November 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ideally, this thread would be like the Eurovision, where by the time we get to 10th place, everyone agrees what the last 10 will be, and then number 10 itself is some complete outsider, leading to an unbearable level of tension as everyone sees if their favourite album is going home with nothing.

But I doubt it.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 20 November 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Gear, you're a treat.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 20 November 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I love these albums of music!

Apart from Screamadelica, natch.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Saturday, 20 November 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

75 through to 65 (minus 66) is a really, really awesome run which I was expecting higher (especially Kaleidoscope, wtf?!). Put a smile on my face though.

I have not a clue what is yet to turn up, though I fear my No 1 is absent. I hope Erotica makes it...

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 20 November 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still rooting for my #1 (Darkthrone) but reality kicks in when I realise that most likely too few voters have heard of it, let alone heard it, let alone enjoyed it...

― Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 20 November 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

At the half-way stage:

100 TLC - CrazySexyCool
99 Oasis - Definitely Maybe
98 U2 - Achtung Baby
97 OMNI TRIO The Deepest Cut Vol. 1
96 BARK PSYCHOSIS - Hex
95 UNDERWORLD - Beaucoup Fish
94 WEEZER - Weezer
93 LAURYN HILL - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
92 THE WEDDING PRESENT - Seamonsters
91 NINE INCH NAILS - The Downward Spiral
90 SPIRITUALIZED - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space
89 THE PRODIGY - Music For the Jilted Generation
88 SMASHING PUMPKINS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
87 EMINEM - The Slim Shady LP
86 THE FLAMING LIPS - The Soft Bulletin
85 SLEATER-KINNEY - Call the Doctor
84 JEFF BUCKLEY - Grace
83 GUIDED BY VOICES - Bee Thousand
82 MORRISSEY - Vauxhall and I
81 SLEATER-KINNEY - Dig Me Out
80 THE KLF - Chill Out
79 OUTKAST - Aquemini
78 HAPPY MONDAYS - Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches
77 GREEN DAY - Dookie
76 AUTECHRE - Tri Repetae
75 PJ HARVEY - Dry
74 THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS - Dig Your Own Hole
73 ORBITAL - In Sides
72 BLUR - Modern Life Is Rubbish
71 MISSY ELLIOTT - Supa Dupa Fly
70 BONNIE "PRINCE" BILLY - I See A Darkness
69 DESTINY'S CHILD - The Writing's On the Wall
68 KELIS - Kaleidoscope
67 GRAVEDIGGAZ - 6 Feet Deep
66 BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - Tigermilk
65 PJ HARVEY - To Bring You My Love
64 UNDERWORLD - Second Toughest In the Infants
63 BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - The Boy With the Arab Strap
62 TEENAGE FANCLUB - Bandwagonesque
61 WEEZER - Pinkerton
60 SAINT ETIENNE - Foxbase Alpha
59 ELASTICA - Elastica
58 STEREOLAB - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
57 DE LA SOUL - De La Soul Is Dead
56 ORBITAL - Orbital 2 (The Brown Album)
55 A TRIBE CALLED QUEST - The Low End Theory
54 UNDERWORLD - Dubnobasswithmyheadman
53 PET SHOP BOYS - Behavior
52 DEPECHE MODE - Violator
51 BECK - Odelay
50 PRIMAL SCREAM - Screamadelica

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Um you missed Sting on that list.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The 'u' should be put back in 'Behaviour'.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I'd voted now, because I would've voted InSides #1 and it would've been much higher. Most of my favourite albums have already appeared...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 20 November 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted for CrazySexyCool, Deepest Cut, Beaucoup Fish, Jilted Generation, Slim Shady, Dig Your Own Hole, Kaleidoscope (my highest choice so far - #5 for me), Second Toughest In the Infants, Dubnobasswithmyheadman, BehavioUr and Screamadelica so far - that's 11 out of 30. Of my other 19, I have high hopes of seeing Different Class, Blue Lines, Entroducing, 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, His 'n' Hers, Remedy, Cuban Linx, Fear Of A Black Planet, The Chronic and Homework high up. My other 8 might miss out.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 20 November 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't believe no-one even nominated the hot rock by sleater-kinney. i guess this is my own fault.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 20 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still rooting for my #1 (Darkthrone) but reality kicks in when I realise that most likely too few voters have heard of it, let alone heard it, let alone enjoyed it...
I finally got around to hearing "Transylvanian Hunger" this year after years of friends telling me "you must listen to this album, you'll love it". I regret not voting for it.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 20 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I have not a clue what is yet to turn up, though I fear my No 1 is absent. I hope Erotica makes it...
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), November 20th, 2004 6:44 AM.

Is that your #1? I put that down for my #2 slot. So there's that much support, at least, though I seriously doubt there are some 20 or so other people who voted for it. I've already given up on this poll, really. Second Toughest will have to be my one consolation prize.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 20 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The only album I voted for that's on the list so far is Violator.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 20 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Eric, Erotica is my... either 2 or 3, I don't remember if I put it above Homogenic or not. My No 1 is a Tori Amos album which was always going to be a massive long shot anyway. Most of my top ten have either come already or have no hope, but then this is the kind of list where Radiofuckinghead make the top 3, so.

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 20 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still rooting for my #1 (Darkthrone) but reality kicks in when I realise that most likely too few voters have heard of it, let alone heard it, let alone enjoyed it...
I finally got around to hearing "Transylvanian Hunger" this year after years of friends telling me "you must listen to this album, you'll love it". I regret not voting for it.

Damn, ditto. Wow.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Sunday, 21 November 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Di -- I would've voted for The Hot Rock, too. It's easily my favorite S-K album. (Although Leee disagrees, right??)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Sunday, 21 November 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I would've voted for Hot Rock, but well after Dig Me Out (1) and Call the Doctor (9).

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even remember if I voted for this or not now.

If I did I would have been very nice to Erotica though.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Which Tori Amos album was nominated?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

shit, I didn't even know "Transylvanian Hunger" was on the list or I would've voted for it!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 21 November 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Erotica came in at a close second to Nuyorican Soul on my ballot.

Watch Ray of Light show up somehow. (Sorry, too lazy to see if it was actually nominated.)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 21 November 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim - From The Choirgirl Hotel. I think we're assured of it not showing up.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Alright you fucking animals. I'm going to post #49-41 tonight because I have no clue as to how much postin' time I'll have tomorrow, because I think we're trying to compress 5 days of work into 3 this week. The bastards.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

BARRY TO SLEEP: FUCK YOU

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(that is, I am telling off my own need to sleep, not telling off the board because I need to sleep)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

#49

SNOOP DOGGY DOGG - Doggystyle (354 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Doggystyle has more inspired rapping (again, since Snoop is on all of it rather than 1/3 of it), and the bodacious party vibe that's just perfect for driving in and out of traffic jams around LA for a whole day."
-- Barry Bruner

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

#48

NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (355 points, 17 votes, 2 first place votes)

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"The voice & words are just so naked. Mangum's obsession with bodiliy fluids, etc. seems tied to some half-remembered collective memory. Like that "Two Headed Boy" song, that image of a tiny child with two heads floating in a jar of formaldahyde, tapping on the jar--it's primal and hits the same place as Lynch's Eraserhead, a dream space that's hard to articulate (which is why I'm not doing a good job of it!)"
-- Mark

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

#47

DR. DRE - The Chronic (360 points, 24 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"One of those rare records that delivered exactly what everybody wanted but nobody expected. It's hard to put into perspective now because its influence has been thouroughly absorbed, hard to remember what hip hop was before The Chronic. Most of what comes before it are like snapshots of a kid growing up with all the awkward and brilliant lurches of an adolescent. The Chronic was, for better or worse, hip hop settling into a version of adulthood. There's a gleam to it, a blinding polish that protects its core but leaves the listener one step removed even as it seduces you."
-- fritz

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What a sandwich. Should I just carry on assuming something called Neutral Milk Hotel is not for me? That's an annoying cover too.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ugh, I'm too tired for this now...chew on that g-funk/indie sandwich while I sleep and I'll get going full speed in the AM

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I am truly honoured to be quoted on Snoop's behalf. BTW, to clarify the point I was making, that comment was from the TS: The Chronic vs Doggystyle thread.

It's nice to get NMH out of the way. I see there's going to be zero indie rock in the top 30 (besides Pavement).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe.

I think people might start getting surprised by rankings before we hit #15

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Giant Steps had better be in there somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!11111

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

What a sandwich. Should I just carry on assuming something called Neutral Milk Hotel is not for me? That's an annoying cover too.

I really like that cover. Never heard anything by them, though. I'm interested by the fact that I've read lots of negative comments about them by people with musical tastes that seem completely opposed to mine. This in itself suggests they might be good.

Also, I'm interested that nobody else commented on Tigermilk. Was the thought of the resultant bile too much?

Not much Saint Etienne so far. I'm beginning to suspect that might have been our lot. That should please certain people in San Francisco, at least.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 22 November 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm I'da thought Th Chronic would be top 15 material for sure

― Seuss, Monday, 22 November 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've ever heard of something called Neutral Milk Hotel. I think the artsiness of the name alone is enough to scare people away.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 November 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm all in favour of art. Just not neutral milk.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Tuomas, for 'artsiness' read 'silliness'. Neutral Milk Hotel! I couldn't take a band with that name seriously.

The Chronic is another of those canonical hip-hop albums which I never feel the need to dig out, ever. Doggystyle's great, though! I think "What's My Name?" was the first hip-hop track I loved.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The Chronic is one of those albums that ranks lower and lower on lists like this as people realize that though it was an epochal release and all, and the singles were among the best of the decade, it's really not such a great album.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I would be very surprised if Basic Channel came up high on here - mainly because of the vinyl EP's vs CD album split of the vote, I would never have thought to vote for it, as to me it is a set of EPs.

Can but hope though.

― 3underscore (___), Monday, 22 November 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm bemused by how unfamiliar Neutral Milk Hotel is to the non-Americans. Round here, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is beloved by all sorts of hip English majors in their late twenties (this includes a large number of my friends). And it was Magnet's #1 of the 90s!

As for me, I bought NMH's first album (On Avery Island), decided I didn't like it, and then didn't realize until a few years ago how much of a cult the band had built up. Elephant 6 bands in general always seemed like a much better idea on paper than they did on record (I kept reading reviews that talked about how these bands were super-catchy but also kinda twisted/weird/surreal, so that seemed fun, but then I'd listen and they just sounded like late-60s pseudo-psychedelic rock acts -- although Olivia Tremor Control was interesting to listen to stoned). So I kinda gave up on that scene.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(See, it's a testament to NMH's ubiquitousness in certain circles that I have a ready justification for why I'm not into them!)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Doggystyle's cover is notable for its horrendousness.

― john'n'chicago, Monday, 22 November 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

In The Aeroplane Over The Sea was my favorite album in high school. Still probably top ten material, if only for the memories..

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I still love In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, but I can never listen to it again. I broke it. Perhaps 20 years from now I will be able to.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Not sure if this means my ballot wasn't counted, but Violator was my #1.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

your ballot was counted. i looked at my vote results and saw one vote for DM out of 18 that was 40 pts, I just forgot to note it had a first place vote.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank ya much good sir.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll never understand all of the Neutral Milk Hotel love. Being a huge indie dork, I expected to love them to pieces, but "In The Aeroplane Over The Sea" bored me silly.

― darin (darin), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

awright, let's get this thing going again

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Giddy up.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I take cold comfort from the fact that that terrible Neutral Milk Hotel album can't place again.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd argue that the cover for The Chronic is worse than the one for Doggystyle.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose people are excited about "In the Aeroplane over the Sea" because of the way motifs are carried over from song to song. The album-ness of it is interesting, which I guess justifies its presence on this list. I'm just not sure when I'm supposed to listen to it. Surely not while driving, entertaining, drinking . . .

"Bee Thousand" is a far, far superior set of songs, and it also succeeds on the gee-this-is-an-interesting-album scale. It ought to have been much higher than NMH.

― Derek Krissoff (Derek), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just not sure when I'm supposed to listen to it.

This is a good way of expressing my problem with a lot of music. U2, for example.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope that Guided By Voices album doesn't make it. That would be worse than Neutral Milk Hotel charting twice.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

#46

R.E.M. - Automatic For the People (367 points, 26 votes)

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"Yes, it's lovely and everyone should really have a copy, even if they don't listen to it."
--dog latin

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone eneds coasters.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Automatic For The People. 'Drive' still sounds like something important, unfinished.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

#45

THE ORB - The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld (371 points, 20 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"The Orb were something different from the start. Adventure beyond the Ultraworld was something new (along with the KLF/Space etc.); it took about a year for people to start getting it, but soon most people I know did; it was one of these records like "The Stone Roses" and "Screamadelica" that everyone liked."
--Keith Watson

"An album to convince you that it's better to be half-asleep at 6am than rolling your tits off on two pills at 3am."
--Lukas

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been listening to Ultraworld again a lot lately. 'Outlands' still creeps me out, 'Perpetual Dawn' still makes me frisky.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It should have had the long 'Little Fluffy Clouds' on it, though.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not even much of an indie listener, but i LOVE neutral milk hotel. In An Aeroplane is a great album, and I actually protest against plenty of indie music.

― Chris Hall, Monday, 22 November 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/albaalba/ilx/indie.jpg

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The lower forties have been good to Athens, Georgia, a town of fewer than a hundred thousand that isn't even on an interstate highway.

― Derek Krissoff (Derek), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

#44

BJORK - Post (373 points, 28 votes)

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"I don't know how i forgot POST also, when that came out it was the Ultimate one-of-these and when it was put back a week I was stomping around kicking puppies and stuff. At that stage Bjork could have released anything whatsoever and I would have proclaimed it Most Important And Also Best Record In The History Of Always on the grounds that it was New Bjork Product. And Post was ace..."
--Alex in Rotherham

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

#43

APHEX TWIN - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 (374 points, 25 votes)

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"The first track on "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" is, on a good day, the end result of the dialectic of all culture."
--Tim Finney

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

#42

THE SUNDAYS - Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic (381 points, 18 votes)

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"Reading, Writing & Arithmetic is one of my favorite albums (I won't even qualify it with "indie"). Harriet Wheeler just has one of the great voices in pop."
--Nicole

"I have a Sundays T-shirt which is too small for me. The first time I wore it, a girl asked me 'Is that the band with the woman with the very high voice who sings about toilets?'. It was a long time ago. But my life is made of memories like this."
--the pinefox

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

With the way things have been going, SAW II will come in at #40.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmn. This is an interesting trend.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Note the way that the filenames on those pictures approximate clsoer to "Bootylicious". Coincidence? I think not.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

that pinefox blurb is priceless.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Nabisco's: The main difference between first-Smiths and first-Sundays is that no matter how much people say that Morrissey lyrics were always about everyday-English-life, they had the same sense of constructed drama that other rock bands had—just with a more interesting and realistic set of touchstones than most. Whereas the first Sundays album, at least, is sort of defiantly mundane, and tends to make the most rote aspects of twenty-something existence seem dignified and interesting. The whole album is like some sort of Woolf parody where a woman sits in her living room reading a book and thinking of the same things everyone does: being lazy, being bored, things done as children, eventless seaside vacations, not even having relationships with people but just generally pondering them. (David + Harriet = most charmingly sexless indie couple ever! They probably just get up and make breakfast and water plants and read the paper together, then tea, nap, “Harriet, how are you enjoying that book?” “Oh, David, it’s lovely, did you let the cat in?” “Yes, let’s listen to De La Soul now.” Even the Mates of State seem more torrid, man.) And when you’re between the ages of 12 and 18 and don’t particularly know how to party and quite like just sitting around and drinking coffee, that particular sort of glamorizing of normal-life is incredibly potent and reassuring. First Sundays-album = well, if all goes well, that’ll be me. First Smiths-album = yeah right, like my life is that interesting.
[...]
I mean, here's the track-by-track, Smiths on the left, Sundays on the right:

1. sordid loss-of-innocence sex / "i threw up on that dress"
2. rivalry / "sometimes i think about other people"
3. sordid loss-of-innocence sex / "i'm not really sure what i'll major in"
4. sordid loss-of-innocence sex / "i can be witty, though"
5. defensive fear of child-death / "teehee what if i did stuff?"
6. gagging for sordid loss-of-innocence sex / "i think i'll hide in the bathroom instead"
7. but sordid loss-of-innocence sex won't help / "what if i had lots of cash?"
8. tragic sun-on-behinds love / "remember when i kicked that kid?"
9. oh who cares about anything / "hey look, a pound!"
10. i can't relate to people / "i'm sad about the lone ranger or something"
11. child murders / [no track]

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf--The Sundays?

unexpected. I gotta hear that album.

And once again, Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld finishes higher than any Orbital, Underworld or Chems album, which is more unfair than the world will ever realize.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm actually surprised the Sundays isn't a bit higher.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

#41

SMASHING PUMPKINS - Siamese Dream (383 points, 22 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Siamese Dream is one of my favorite rock albums ever. It's Corgan's greatest achievement, though Mellon Collie is a pretty fantastic record in spite of (and sometimes because of) its excesses. There's great music in every era of Corgan's career (though the Machina period is more miss than hit), but the Siamese/Pisces era is his prime. "
--Matthew Perpetua

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that it for Pumpkinguff now?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(When will people realize that _Adore_ is actually the best overall Pumpkins album?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(When will Ron Artest jump into the stands and beat up Billy Corgan?)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

(Haha would that cancel out his season suspension?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(Haha and MORE. I might even buy his record!)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

#40

LIZ PHAIR - Exile In Guyville (384 points, 21 votes)

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"Guyville is a great album, no doubt, and her wordplay on it is wonderful and guileless."
--Kenan

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I realise now that Fiona Apple's When The Pawn... now has no chance, and that's a shame. I've pretty much given up on Mermaid Avenue too.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba, I resigned myself to When The Pawn's absence a while ago, and it's a pity. Why do so many people tend to pick Liz Phair as their token female songwriter type when Fiona Apple makes better albums? (NB I quite like Liz Phair but COME ON.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

no, you come on.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still holding out for Basic Channel, although it might be getting a bit late...

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Liz Phair vs Fiona Apple vs PJ Harvey vs Tori Amos vs Julianna Hatfield

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope Super AE makes it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Tori Amos then PJ Harvey then Fiona Apple then Liz Phair then Juliana Hatfield.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

chicago wont roll over to artest or any other athlete
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,211586,00.jpg

― jb, Monday, 22 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh, Jesus that's like fucking Hobson's choice.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe if ILM's hiphop fanbase were bigger, Fiona Apple would have made it.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think these singers have much to do with each other, do they? I'm not sure I've ever heard Liz Phair.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

vaginas.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not what I've heard.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think these singers have much to do with each other, do they?

stylistically, close to nothing (apart from maybe Hatfield and Phair).

Fiona's the only one who's influenced Kanye West as far as I know.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

They're all "token female artists"; more than anyone else these names pop up when I encounter someone who has only one preferred female artist.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz Phair looks kind of stupid on that album cover. Is she stupid?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

God no.

― danh (danh), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

#39

THE PRODIGY - (388 points, 19 votes, 3 first place votes)

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"I think both Experience and Music For The Jilted Generation are classics - the first as being possibly the only truly great hardcore techno album (not that the style needed an album to apologise for it)"
--Tim Finney

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

(er, Experience)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

They're all "token female artists"; more than anyone else these names pop up when I encounter someone who has only one preferred female artist.

Oh, that makes sense. Well, for all of them except Tori, who I've never ever seen as a token - pretty much 100% of everyone I know who has time for her also has time for other female artists, and the kind of people who have token female artists tend to loathe her.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

wow i didn't think 'Experience' would beat 'Jilted...' - it's aged well in that i find it more and more...'endearing'?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

This poll is much more intriguing than the tracks one. I don't feel like I've worked it out at all yet.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

If "Experience" places and Basic Channel doesn't ... ick

And once again, Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld finishes higher than any Orbital, Underworld or Chems album, which is more unfair than the world will ever realize.
Vote splitting.
And ABtU >>> any Underworld or Chems album

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

#38

SAINT ETIENNE - Tiger Bay (389 points, 17 votes, 2 first place votes)

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"The album opens with the sweeping, gliding shimmering of..er..'Urban Clearway'. A song about... a road? Yes, get used to it, because this is the way things are going. Later on, we've got love, intrigue and death in 'Like a Motorway', dreams of starlets and escape in 'I Buy American Records' and broken fantasies (set to Flamenco rythm) in 'Pale Movie'. The music might sound airy and light in parts, but the subject matter is dark, sinister and brooding, from the 'Cool Kids Of Death' hanging around outside the off-licence to the frightening 'Boy Scouts Of America'. In between we have drug overdoses, separations and moments of sad, lonely beauty."
--hobart paving

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

eurgh, 'So Tough' and 'Good Humor' will have made it as well then

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

these left?

OK COMPUTER
LOVELESS
DIFFERENT CLASS
ILLMATIC
MAXINQUAYE
ENDTRODUCING
DUMMY
THE BENDS
69 LOVE SONGS
CROOKED RAIN CROOKED RAIN
HIS N HERS
ENTER THE WU TANG: 36 CHAMBERS
SOME WEEN SHIT
READY TO DIE
SLANTED AND ENCHANTED
MEZZANINE
SIMPLE PLEASURE
BOCES
FLOOD
LAUGHING STOCK
GUERILLA
HOMEWORK
LIVE THROUGH THIS
ONLY BUILT 4 CUBAN LYNX
HOW I QUIT SMOKING
SO TOUGH
MOON SAFARI
GOOD HUMOR
YERSELF IS STEAM
IN UTERO
SUPER AE
THE INFOTAINMENT SCAN
LIQUID SWORDS
MUSIC HAS THE RIGHT TO CHILDREN
REMEDY
FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET
HOMOGENIC

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I WOULDN'T LIKE TO COMMENT

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

NO way "Good Humour" is up here.
I also have serious doubts about "Simple Pleasure", and more than one Mercury Rev album.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I really can't see Flood or The Infotainment Scan making it this high.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Flood is the They Might Be Giants album, right?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

but Liz Phair?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I did kind of know that she was popular.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

#37

RADIOHEAD - The Bends (391 points, 26 votes)

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"Were I to be limited to one Radiohead album for the rest of my days, I'd go with The Bends."
-- Alex in NYC

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz Phair won Pazz & Jop in 1993. Lots of indie kids bought that album in high school.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought The Bends would end up top tenz

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz Phair and the Neutral Milk Hotel are like your St. Etienne.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

And she made one of the best records of last year. So she's still relevant.

― danh (danh), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Alba, I suppose that's correct.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not slagging her off - I just don't know her music. Her album title and cover look bad, but that's all. I'm just saying she doesn't seem to have made much of an impact in the UK. Maybe it's just me, though.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

If "Tilt" is not on this list i WILL give up.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't give up!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Tilt, mind)

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't take it as a diss, Alba! There's a few good songs on Guyville, but I think it's overrated -- it's the kind of album that male rock critics jizzed over for all the wrong reasons.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(what are the right reasons for jizzing on an album?)

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurry up Gear - I'm talking shit here.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, I knew someone was going to ask me that.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

#36

SCOTT WALKER - Tilt (393 points, 19 votes, 4 first place votes)

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"I will just say that when I went to buy my own copy of this album, the record store worker asked me if I was sure I wanted to buy it. I said "yeah, it's one of my favourite albums" and she looked shocked and said it was "different", in that insult-dressed-up-as-a-vague- attempt-at-acceptance/praise way that used to (?) be so irksomely prevalent. Oh, and I cried for joy and being moved when I first heard it, lying down in a dark room, having not hoped it could be as good as the NME (or melody maker, can't remember which) review hinted, since they so often hype such crap."
-- haloist

"I can't help but wish that Tilt had come out this year and that walker was an ILXOR; maybe he would've named the first two tracks "Fighter In The City" and "The Cockfarmer" had that been the case. Childish, I know. Fucking great record, mind."
-- Nick Southall

"True story: a friend of mine, with loads of music, had his house robbed a couple of years ago. They took, among other things, all but one of his CDs. They left Tilt. I'm not sure what this proves."
-- Martin Skidmore

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

In Phair's case, the wrong reasons were things like "She's a girl and she talks dirty!" and "OMG it's a direct response to the Rolling Stones = she is solidifying her place in the ROCK PANTHEON!"

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Tilt doesn't do much to disprove the theory that Gear! is making this all up as we go along.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"How I Quit Smoking"? Really? Isn't that awfully understated / dull for most folks on this board? I mean would Lambchop fans tend to prefer, say, Oldham stuff, which hasn't done well here?

― Derek Krissoff (Derek), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha - that was a close call.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah weird... awesome that it made it though

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just realized that Boards of Canada may be the token IDM/techno in the top 40 (unless you want to count, say, "Homogenic". Never mind Orb > Chems, Orbital, Underworld, that would be like Sunscreem > Chems, Orbital, Underworld.

Tilt doesn't do much to disprove the theory that Gear! is making this all up as we go along.
Not to mention the Doggystyle/NMH/Chronic sequence.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

If Gear! is! making this up as he goes along, he's doing a rather good job.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

#35

PIXIES - Trompe Le Monde (397 points, 21 votes, 1 first place vote)

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" "Head On" is their greatest moment, aside from the guitar solo on Vamos. And "Head On" is a full band press, as opposed to just Joey. Sequencing is better than Surfer Rosa, which sez bundles. Certainly TLM stands as the best album."
-- Sterling Clover

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

SOME WEEN SHIT
SIMPLE PLEASURE
BOCES
FLOOD
GUERILLA
HOW I QUIT SMOKING
GOOD HUMOR
YERSELF IS STEAM
THE INFOTAINMENT SCAN

uhh...don't think so.

And ABtU >>> any Underworld or Chems album

no no, no no no no, no no no no no, no.

Sorry MiR, I really have very little love for ABtU. I love "Little Fluffy Clouds," "Perpetual Dawn" and one more ("Outlands"?) but the rest just bores me to tears--and that's a lot of rest! To me it just screams WE'RE ELECTORNIC MUSIC BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCEPTUAL AND SLIGHTLY BORING SO TAKE US SERIOUSLY--the fact that it continually beats great, maximal fucking dance albums like Dig Your Own Hole and Dubnobasswithmyheadman upsets me so much.

But Experience, the ultimate in awesome stupid dance music, beat it, so I'm slightly happy.

TlM, nice. Perhaps my favorite Pixies album.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Experience = yay! in my book.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

tilt had to be.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Genre experts, are there any other great hardcore / rave besides Experience? Non-comps, that is.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill - ABtU is so not a 'take us seriously' album. It's just gorgeous, that's all.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i love the 'teacher marking the work' approach people take to the nominations predicting

Dr Bill there are threads for rave albums (Altern 8 and SUAD's are great for starters)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

4-HERO!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

U.F.Orb is as good as ABtU - i think i voted for UF Orb but not the other

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

To me it just screams WE'RE ELECTORNIC MUSIC BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCEPTUAL AND SLIGHTLY BORING SO TAKE US SERIOUSLY

ABtU was released very early in the ambient/house/chillout game, so I seriously doubt that Dr. Alex P was trying to make this sort of uber-rockist concept statement. "ABtU" >> "anything the Orb have done since" because they increasing aimed toward creating great, maximal fucking dub-dance albums and ignored their ambient/chillout origins. "Spanish Castles in Space" is brilliant *because* it is fifteen minutes long, it needs every second of that time continually re-mold itself.

This is also why the Orb Peel Sessions ep > all other Orb releases (with the possible exception of Disc 1 of ABtU)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

UF Orb is spoiled by Victor Lewis Smith.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

adventures beyond the ultraworld is so far beyond anything that the chemical brothers or underworld ever did that i really don't understand how anyone can mention them in the same breath

first heard it back in high school, right when it came out. almost 15 years later i strap on my headphones and turn up the volume and it's still one of the best, most mind-blowing mashups of live mixing, hallucinatory soundscapes and dub basslines ever committed to a single disc. you can dance to it, chill out to it, smoke up to it, or put in on while driving - in any case it sounds great.

sorry to see it so low, but glad it appeared.

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr Bill there are threads for rave albums (Altern 8 and SUAD's are great for starters)

Right, need to hear those--love the two or three songs I know by each. Too bad Acen blew it with their full-length.

The only Orb album I need is U.F.Off, which I adore--perfect example of a hits album summing up all you need to know about a group. Orblivion is also pretty good.

― Andrew Unterberger (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I don't mean to imply The Orb actually consciously thought this. I know it was an important, innovative album and all. I more meant that's the sort of stigma attatched to it in my mind by the critics--the sort of "well, it's dance music, but it's also arty, so let's vote for it!" thing--how it appears as a token dance entry in lists by pitchfork and the like.

A lot of really reliable people love it, though, so I guess it's just me.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just remembered that Gin Blossoms song you like!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just remembered that Gin Blossoms song you like!

Regardless of what you think of that song, it's only four minutes long.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, how Bizarre. Tilt is the best album of the 90's by a light year.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Dream on.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I know it was an important, innovative album and all. I more meant that's the sort of stigma attatched to it in my mind by the critics
Has it really been such a magnet for critics? The "token" "electronica" releases seem to date from the mid-90's or later, since most critics weren't paying attention to the music before that.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

4 first place votes for Tilt!

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Regardless of what you think of that song, it's only four minutes long.

i think it's about 4 minutes too long then

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder how high D.I. is gonna place. That album looked to be getting insane support in the exit polls.

Also, will A Guy Called Gerald still get in at this point?

― The GOod Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

People were paying attention to Orb, before they paid attention to the rest of the dance world (the Gong/Wobble connection helped.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

At least in the states that is.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

not me
i first heard the orb out dancing - one of the remixes for little fluffy clouds

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Has it really been such a magnet for critics?

I thought so. I remember seeing it in lists from Spin and Pitchfork with nothing from Underworld or Orbital, for instance.

i think it's about 4 minutes too long then

And still what, 14 minutes less of unnecessary music than "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Orb That Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld"?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That early Orb coverage (in the US) was fairly incidental, though (i.e. 1/50 th of the coverage that Prodigy, Chems, etc. were getting a few years later).

The KLF connection also helped.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

In the UK, the music press was certainly giving electronic and dance music plenty of critical attention all through the 90s. Maybe not as much as it should have been, but no way was it ignored.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

and i'm in the states (atlanta at the time, which wasn't one of the most forward thinking "dance" cities by a long shot)

x-post

And still what, 14 minutes less of unnecessary music than "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Orb That Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld"?
one might argue that there's not a single unnecessary note in that track, unless you're a gin blossoms fan with no credibility and/or taste

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

no like the ambient wibbling = fun-hater ?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel bad for bringing up the Gin Blossoms now.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"That early Orb coverage (in the US) was fairly incidental, though (i.e. 1/50 th of the coverage that Prodigy, Chems, etc. were getting a few years later)."

A few years as in 5 or 6!!! Orb was getting touted 91-92. Chems/Prodigy didn't start getting that attention in the US until 96-97!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean really...

ts: gin blossoms v the orb
is there even a discussion there?

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill is keeping a dignified silence.

Come on Gear!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope either amber or lp5 shows up in the upper regions of this list

― it's tricky (disco stu), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel bad for bringing up the Gin Blossoms now.

That was kind of silly, yeah.

ts: gin blossoms v the orb
is there even a discussion there?

No, there isn't. Orb was one of the best singles bands of the decade.

ts: "Hey Jelaousy" vs. The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld

then yeah.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

A few years as in 5 or 6!!! Orb was getting touted 91-92. Chems/Prodigy didn't start getting that attention in the US until 96-97!

Yes, but Orb coverage in '91

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

A few years as in 5 or 6!!! Orb was getting touted 91-92. Chems/Prodigy didn't start getting that attention in the US until 96-97!

(let's try that again):
Yes, but Chems/Prodigy coverage in '96 >>> Orb coverage in '91

Stated another way, the Orb weren't the token "electronic" pick (for US critics) between '91-'96 because the concept of having a token "electronic" pick wasn't even on the map until the Chems/Prodigy broke big.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

#34

SAINT ETIENNE - So Tough (403 points, 22 votes, 3 first place votes)

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"'so tough' is their masterpiece for certain, it is perfect in it's idle observations and at the same time it's ability to move in different ways."
-- keith

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think ILM's discussions re: early to mid-nineties electronic music (as well as this list) are way too Brit-centric. In Germany, for example, a lot of stuff that's equally good to Orb, Orbital, Underworld, etc. was produced at the same time by folks like Air Liquide, Alter Ego, Oliver Lieb, Baked Beans and so on, but rarely are they mentioned.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

If there is a third St Etienne album to come then I am taking my ball and going home.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

me too Al.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

No, there isn't. Orb was one of the best singles bands of the decade.

singles band?
SINGLES BAND?
that gets a big ol' wtf from me?
if there is a single electronic outfit that actually MAKES ALBUMS as opposed to cobbling together tracks that stand alone, then surely it's the Orb?
(Orbital may come close, but they still rely heavily on their singles and then mold the rest of the album around that...)

and aside from assassin, perpetual dawn and little fluffy clouds, what other singles stand so great? surely if you complain about the longness of "ever pulsating" then i can't imagine you a fan of "blue room"

(just admit you haven't given the orb a fair shot to discuss it fairly and move on. no one will fault you for not having heard it yet...)

yaaay! So Tough

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There is an edit of "Blue Room"

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

#33

DISCO INFERNO - D.I. Go Pop (417 points, 19 votes, 2 first place votes)

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"What really still intrigues/amazes me is that we're almost ten years on from DI Go Pop and the associated records and that while all the equipment that the band so painstakingly used and the potential sounds and approaches they came up with can now be collected and duplicated on a laptop without a worry, I have yet to hear the band that really approaches their style and sound outside of the Avalanches. I think the sense of limitations turning into a forcing of themselves to try something different/more may well mean that DI will end up being unique, but we'll see."
--Ned Raggett

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

fourth st etienne album more like. puke.

― a, Monday, 22 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

edit shmedit

LOL

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"fourth st etienne album more like. puke."

Oh god you are right. WTF is wrong with you people.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

we like good music?

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Both polls have certainly revealed a huge, hidden ILX contingent of St Et fans.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Tuomas -- I like all the acts you mentioned, and I'm sure many others here feel the same way. I think ILM does remember non-British 90's electronic music very well (exhibit A: the y'all ready for this? thread from late last year).

I tried to type some more musings on this subject, but it was crap and I kept erasing it.

Also, "In Sides" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything by those acts (except for Oliver Lieb. OK, and Air Liquide's "Live in New York")

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

#32

COCTEAU TWINS - Heaven or Las Vegas (428 points, 23 votes)

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"Heaven or Las Vegas, which is the sweetest-sounding release they did (it seems to just ooze sugary vanilla and cherry flavour in some spots)"
--Sean Carruthers

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Gosh.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I wished they had stayed hidden.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

lunchtime!

#31-21 later this afternoon...

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

can someone shoot st. etienne please. they incarnate everything i hate about british indie pop (and i love a lot of it). god they are vapid.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

heaven or las vegas on the other side is everything i love about british indie pop...

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Tuomas: yes, ILM is very brit-centric when discussing dance, but that's not surprising considering the demographic. It's funny sometimes, from reading ILM you might think that rave was a typical British thing.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's one of my most shameful character traits that other people's over appreciation of something can make me dislike it more and more. I don't mind Saint Etienne, but after these polls I know I am at least going to grimace if anyone mentions them. As I say, it's a shameful trait, but I don't know how to overcome it.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You need someone to hug your soul.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there will be more St. Etienne. I must say I'm pleasently surprised by how well they did on the albums poll. Britpop haters should worry about Pulp now.

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well at worst there can be only two Pulp albums, right? I mean that's crap, but it's not as crap as four. That's just tiresome.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I never owned a Saint Etienne album until I picked up Good Humor this year. It's just one of those things. I bought their first few 12"s then I couldn't afford to buy Foxbase Alpha and then it just all seemed out of my hands. One day.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Kevin it sounds like you're in a bad way

― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, no, I'm just depressed. Anyway, there are two Orbital albums, and two Smashing Pumpkins albums, so I guess it's not that britpop isolated.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it odd that St Etienne and Pulp are being painted as the Britpop villains when Radiohead lie ahead, and when fucking Oasis made the list. St Etienne and Pulp SAVED me from Britpop when I was a teenager!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(nb I think I only voted for So Tough at like 14 or something, I am not one of the rabid St Et/Pulp cult)

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I had one St. Etienne album in the first half of high school... Tiger Bay, I think it was called. It may hold the record for the album I've own shortest before re-selling.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

St. Etienne is like G.W. Bush, it has divided ILMers.

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the cover of So Tough.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmmm.....

1) 'A Huge Ever Pulsating Brain....' is The Orb's masterpiece, without a single surplus second.

2) I can't believe how low 'Dig Your Own Hole' was. I was certain this would be top ten.

3) Are there really that many Sundays fans?

4) Everyone seems to have forgotten about 'Parklife'.

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Everyone seems to have forgotten about 'Parklife'."

God knows we've tried.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

MLIR > Parklife

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

At this point, I feel the need to hear St. Etienne.
Is it better than David Banner?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually some of their early stuff is pretty good. They kinda got one note after a while though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

If you took the whole of St Etienne's output and edited it down to abou six or seven tracks you'd have a great CD. But I don't think any of their albums deserve to be in the top 100, or if they do it's only because of the between songs stuff ( "I think you're bluffing pal" "then you're gonna have to give me some respect, or show me some money" etc.)

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is making me feel oddly guilty for thinking that the German version of Tiger Bay is the best album ever.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

if there is a single electronic outfit that actually MAKES ALBUMS as opposed to cobbling together tracks that stand alone, then surely it's the Orb?
(Orbital may come close, but they still rely heavily on their singles and then mold the rest of the album around that...)
and aside from assassin, perpetual dawn and little fluffy clouds, what other singles stand so great? surely if you complain about the longness of "ever pulsating" then i can't imagine you a fan of "blue room"

(just admit you haven't given the orb a fair shot to discuss it fairly and move on. no one will fault you for not having heard it yet...)

Just because the albums flow and aren't hit + filler dance albums doesn't automatically make them good albums. I'll take albums that sound like singles compilations but are actually enjoyable anyday.

And yes, Orbital are the perfect example of a band that does what the Orb does with their albums but does it enjoyably. Maybe not the first one, but the second one through MoN all flow like dreams and are consistently awesome as well.

"Assassin" is OK. "The Blue Room" is awesome even in its 40 minute version (infinitely preferable to "Pulsating Orb") but the single edit is even better. "Toxygene," "From a Distance," "Towers of Dub," "Asylum," and the early singles you mentioned (especially "Little Fluffy Clouds") are all fabulous. Also, the Orbital mix of "Pulsating Orb" is fairly fantastic.

Sorry Rents, I've heard almost all of their albums and pretty much all of their singles. I've attempted to re-discover The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld several times and it's OK at some points and great at others but ultimately nowhere near as enjoyable as any of those other albums. Just because I don't share your opinion (or because I wasn't "there" or whatever bullshit you're probably going to pull next) doesn't mean it's an uneducated one.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

If you took the whole of St Etienne's output and edited it down to abou six or seven tracks you'd have a great CD. But I don't think any of their albums deserve to be in the top 100

a la "Singles Going Steady", StEt's "Too Young Young To Die" perfectly encapsulates their greatest work. It would make a deserving top 100 entry, no question.

Album excellence has never been StEt's strong suit.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Blue Room" is awesome even in its 40 minute version (infinitely preferable to "Pulsating Orb") but the single edit is even better.

JUDAS!!!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Album excellence has never been StEt's strong suit."

Yes, well four albums in the top 100 prove you wrong, my dear boy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

JUDAS!!!

Haha, which part?

And Saint Etienne is done now, so whatever.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The controversy will rage on for as long as I can muster the energy to be annoyed about, Good Dr.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

(Which given the mind numbing boredom of pre-Thanksgiving drudgery will be at least until tomorrow.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It proves that a lot of people overvalue a lot of StEt albums. Five singles in the top 100 I can understand, but three albums (there won't be a fourth) is crazy.

xpost to Dr. Bill -- I was referring to the preference of the four-minute version of "Blue Room" to the forty-minute one, but now that I think about it, I could have been talking about the BR > Pulsating statement too.

Just curious, do you like ambient/drone music outside of the Orb?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr Bruner - have you given up on Lido making the top ten?

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep. I haven't given up on Bardo Pond's "Lapsed", though! :)
I've just about given up on "Souvlaki" and Basic Channel as well :(

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I was referring to the preference of the four-minute version of "Blue Room" to the forty-minute one, but now that I think about it, I could have been talking about the BR > Pulsating statement too.

Just curious, do you like ambient/drone music outside of the Orb?

aha. I haven't heard the 40-minute version in a while, though, since my U.F.Orb bonus disc is scratched beyond playablity.

eh, not my particular cup of tea but I like some of the more accessible stuff OK--KLF's Chill Out, the ambient Aphex albums (2 way more than '85-'92), Eno's Music for Airports are all favorites of sorts (and very much preferable to OABtU). Not stuff I tend to listen to very much, though.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't given up on Bardo Pond's "Lapsed", though!

My top scientific test: I have never heard of this, therefore it will not make the top 30.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunno about BC, MiR, but I wouldn't give up on Souvlaki quite yet.

My top scientific test: I have never heard of this, therefore it will not make the top 30.

Hahahahah, I do that all the time.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

continuing on!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Give us them all in the next five minutes. I need to go to sleep.

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I'd voted for Souvlaki. I didn't on account of the fact that I hadn't heard enough -- but I've been listening to it A LOT within the last couple weeks, and man is it good.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

#31

BOREDOMS - Super AE (429 points, 20 votes)

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aaronhz: oh hi jon, I have a boredoms question for you...
WIZARDISHUNGRY: ok
aaronhz: my ex roomate played VCN all the time and I dug it. What's the next one I should get after that?
WIZARDISHUNGRY: super ae
WIZARDISHUNGRY: super ae is pretty awesome
WIZARDISHUNGRY: there's like 6 or 7 songs from that era not on the album
(some shit about Providence, and then I ask about Soul Discharge)
WIZARDISHUNGRY: Soul Discharge is awesome but it just sounds like the early black dice 7"s and the 1st lightning bolt lp
WIZARDISHUNGRY: Soul Discharge was the first american release
WIZARDISHUNGRY: i have a first press of it
WIZARDISHUNGRY: there's soul discharge 99 which has a few more singles on it
aaronhz: ok
WIZARDISHUNGRY: get that if you can
WIZARDISHUNGRY: but its nothing like VCN
aaronhz: yeah I know what old boredoms was like
WIZARDISHUNGRY: ok

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

#30

MASSIVE ATTACK - Mezzanine (434 points, 29 votes)

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"the press deemed this one their "dark "album, and from the cover photo on in, i can't really disagree with that tag. but they've never really been a cheery bunch, have they? i guess it all comes to the fore on this one. the lyrics and the soundscapes are certainly bleaker than before, and the album itself carries such an atmosphere of impending doom. it was rumored that the band was through after this one; the band even said as much, but later revealed that it was actually just a joke to compliment the music press' description of the album. funny guys, making me fear the breakup of my favorite group like that."
--fred solinger

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm feeling a lot more confident about my top 10 prediction for "Blue Lines" now.
Watch it show up next, split votes, blah blah blah ... I HAVE NOW COVERED ALL THE BASES, MY PREDICTION IS CORRECT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS NOW.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Two cool choices. And surprisingly two of my choices also. They both should have been higher in this poll, but out of a decade of music that might be about right.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

#29

YO LA TENGO - I Can Hear the Heart Beating As One (438 points, 26 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"'I Can Hear the heart...' is simply one of the best records of the 90's. Lovely, sweet, touching melodies everywhere. Frequently slathered in beautiful noise. Who could want for more?"
--kilian

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

#29, yay!!!

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

WE HAVE LOST

― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't tell what either of those last two posts mean.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

#28

BLUR - Parklife (447 points, 29 votes)

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"For the record, "Parklife" bears repeated listening as a near-perfect pop record, with ideas and influences bouncing off each other like no-one else at the time, with a good few genuinely affecting great songs ("This is a Low", "End of a Century") as well. Not forgetting that for many it was THE album that summed up that time (and "Girls and Boys" the single), and that there has yet to be such a singles-friendly left-field pop band since. It remains a classic of any era."
-- Darren

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Grrr. It didn't sum up my time.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

AH so Parklife is the Blur album I should consider buying! But it has "Girls and Boys" on it, ew!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Not forgetting that for many it was THE album that summed up that time"

Yeah if you were white and British and desperate to see some affirmation of those two things.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I absolutely adore "This Is A Low", but really, really, REALLY abhor "Girls and Boys". WHAT TO DO?????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Get a vinyl copy and scratch out the offending track with sandpaper?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually can't stand to listen to 'Girls and Boys'; when I lived with a Blur fan he was absolutely banned from playing that song.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Out of all the albums I really really liked during the 90's, "Parklife" has aged the most. There's some great stuff on it, but I feel kind of silly listening to it these days.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife is kind of piecemeal. There's not really two tracks on it that are alike, so don't worry it's going to be 11 Girls and Boys and one This is a Low or something. It's more like 6 wtfs and some 'aahhs's.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

#27

PET SHOP BOYS - Very (452 points, 21 votes)

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"The Pet Shop Boys, are probably the best *pop* group in my life span."
--Tom May

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

#26

PULP - His 'n' Hers (522 points, 26 votes)

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"Believe it or not, Pulp once asked me to produce them. Since the demo tape they sent me seemed to consist of a note for note steal of OMD's 'Enola Gay', I passed.

I'm sure the curse of Momus would have put Pulp somewhere between World of Twist and Denim. And Michael Jackson, his sails full of the wind of unchallenged messianic megalomania, would have made five brilliant new pop albums all produced by Cornelius."
-- Momus

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are Alex in SF and djdee when you need them to get cross?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow there's a stretch for you. Why do I have a feeling Fear of a Black Planet, Illmatic and Enter the 36 Chambers will also follow in order.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, it sucks, but I'm still only mad about the FOUR St Etienne albums. That's just stupid.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I never really knew what they were going for with that cover.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a bad kitsch mis-step.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

PET SHOP BOYS - Very (452 points, 21 votes)
PULP - His 'n' Hers (522 points, 26 votes)

x-post there have only been THREE StEt albums

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

#25

DAFT PUNK - Homework (526 points, 37 votes)

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"I loved Homework when it came out and listened to it constantly whilst playing Interstate '76. I actually think it was my "hey wait disco isn't wrong or evil" turning point."
--Nate Patrin

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

THREE

Saint

Etienne

albums

threethreethree

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

THREE

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Look like it is all over for Basic Channel. Grr.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

TOO MANY EITHER WAY!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG - these polls are causing Alex to hallucinate Saint Etienne albums! Anyway Alex, it's been a pretty good mix so far...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

#23 (tie)

AIR - Moon Safari (541 points, 33 votes)

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"Walking home from a girl-you-really-like's house at 3 am on a beautiful clear see-all-the-stars-in-the-sky night after the two of you have just kissed for the first time = Air's Moon Safari no diggitty."
--nickalicious

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

You know - it might seem a strange thing to say, but I think Moon Safari is underrated.

I like nickalicious's comment.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

NICKALICIOUS IS TEH CUTETS.

i haven't heard that album. the cover art makes it look like the soundtrack to a cop movie.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I need to sleep now.

Albums of mine I assume are still to come:

The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
Pulp - Different Class
Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Pavement - Crooked Rain Crooked Rain
My Bloody Valentine – Loveless

And then there's Mazzy Star - She Hangs Brightly. No?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

#23 (tie)

GZA/GENIUS - Liquid Swords (541 points, 33 votes)

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"Liquid Swords - seriously dark and creepy lyrics complemented by seriously dark and creepy music."
--hstencil

"Liquid Swords is a wonderful album! It helps if you buy and read all 28 300-page Lone Wolf & Cub comic books too."
-- Martin Skidmore

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha somewhere Dark Horse comix is loving GZA now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife deserves to be top 15 at least, even if it has aged badly. Girls & Boys (spits) aside it's the perfect pop/rock album.

No hope for Giant Steps then - or any Boo Radleys for that matter. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves!

Shite - should've voted ! ;-)

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you complaining about the lack of britpop, dog latin? Anyway, good to see Liquid Swords higher than I expected. Should be higher, of course (top 10, anyway), but I'm realistic.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha! I was the designer for the Lone Wolf & Cub books (see my email address).

― darin (darin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you love GZA?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

#22

TALK TALK - Laughing Stock (550 points, 24 votes, 2 first place votes)

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"No-one has made records like these before or since and all the comparisons are meaningless. They are unique. "Laughing Stock" is definitely high up my top 10 records of the nineties."
-- Keith Watson

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I...wasn't expecting that. I have no idea what this poll is doing.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew that was gonna place.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

#21

NIRVANA - In Utero (552 points, 29 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"This is one record that I have strong memories of (actually Nevermind also but I won't go into that and that's been talked to death anyway). The record store stayed open til 12:30 am on this particular Monday night so we could all get our new Nirvana CD's. If I remember correctly the vinyl came out a week or two earlier?? (I could be wrong) Anyhow, I stumbled back to my friends place, which was the usual hangout at the time, and popped it in the Cd player and rocked out... I found this album immediately powerful. Shit, Scentless Apprentice, are you kidding me, that shit rocks so tough it's ridiculous!!! I just could not believe those sounds coming out of his mouth. And MILK IT!!!! yeaHHHHHHH!!!! FUCK!!!!
CLASSIC"
-- Ron

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, so it looks like the future will bring us:

Loveless
OK Computer
Different Class
Illmatic
69 Love Songs

36 Chambers
Ready to Die
Nevermind
Slanted and Enchanted
SAW II

In Utero
Maxinquaye
Music has the Right
Blue Lines
Endtroducing

Dummy
Remedy
Fear of Black Planet
Lapsed
Spice

I'm kidding about #19 and #20 though.

Also, I'm becoming less and less confident that "Different Class" will be #3.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, this is a weird fucking list.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Records I picked that I reasonably certain will still show up.

3. Nas - Illmatic
4. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang: The 36 Chambers
7. Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
16. Tricky – Maxinquaye
17. My Bloody Valentine – Loveless
20. Notorious BIG - Ready to Die
22. Boards of Canada – Music Has the Right to Children

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

there's no way Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain won't make it. there can't be.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Talk Talk and all, I just didn't realise they got much ILM love.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

tomorrow, I'll spend a fair amount of my 3-0 posting the top twenty

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool, thanks again Gear!

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"Boys and Girls" is probably the only Blur song I really like.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say something like:

20. Oval - 94 Diskont
19. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
18. Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
17. Portishead - Dummy
16. Bjork - Homogenic
15. Tricky - Maxinquaye
14. Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
13. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
12. Nas - Illmatic
11. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
10. Nirvana - Nevermind
9. Massive Attack - Blue Lines
8. Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
7. Basement Jaxx - Remedy
6. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu: The 36 Chambers
5. The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
4. Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children
3. Pulp - Different Class
2. Radiohead - OK Computer
1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

Also possible:

Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
2Pac - All Eyez on Me
Hole - Live Through This
Ride - Nowhere
Slowdive - Souvlaki

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Nas will make top ten. Biggie and Nas will both be higher. You really think Boards of Canada is gonna be that high?!

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Although this is perhaps wishful thinking.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

If Spice does not make it, that will be FAR WORSE than whatever the hip-hop heads are currently moaning about.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Nas will make top ten. Biggie and Nas will both be higher.

It's possible. I think they'll split the vote to some extent.

You really think Boards of Canada is gonna be that high?!

Nah probably not, I just felt like choosing an outside chance album for the top five because there's always at least one.

If Spice does not make it, that will be FAR WORSE than whatever the hip-hop heads are currently moaning about.

Well, guess what.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Oval? Who's that?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, what about Check Your Head?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted didn't make it.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, take an early Aphex Twin CD. Cut liberally with an exacto knife. Place in CD player. Record sounds of CD play struggling to play. Release on experimental techno label. Bask in the adoration of critics. (I voted for it btw. It really is gorgeous.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

No Ice Cube, three st. etienne. Yeah that makes sense.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

HOLY SHIT THAT SOUNDS AWESOME!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd vote for StEt over any Cube, save maybe Death Certificate

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad that the list now includes albums I know and enjoy.

I only got Super Ae after voting was over.

(But Adore, Dan?! Over Siamese Dream?)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Siamese Dream has "Disarm" but Adore has "Ava Adore", "Perfect" and the one where's he's moaning to his mom.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe the wrong Spiritualized album placed, even though I voted for it.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm happy that Talk Talk was high.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

And also that they did well on this list.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the The showed up somewhere. (or maybe they will??)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm waiting for another St. Etienne showing

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

no surprise for Talk Talk. the ILM Talk Talk threads are all RAVERAVERAVE

the sad part for me was the tracks list where there were 5 saint etienne tracks and no disco inferno. i mean i like saint etienne fine but CMON

― lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

fools be nominating 5 disco inferno songs. if there was 1 or 2 they would have placed.

― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, is there any chance that Lazer Guided Melodies places?

― Shane (Shane), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

yet 5 saint etienne songs nominated all get placed... hmmmm.......

― lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

No-one has made records like these before or since and all the comparisons are meaningless.

I'd like to compare GYBE to that album.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Giant Steps really not in the top 100???

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Disco Inferno, despite being loved to bits by a large number of 2000-era ILMers haven't really got the broad appeal of St Etienne. Plus they probably aren't English for you average US Anglophile.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate those average US Anglophiles.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

What a good band name that would be...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

So is Madonna going to make it at all?! Aaaargh.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

this poll at least reminds me that i am not always just preaching to 'the converted'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It strikes me that these polls provide far more ammunition for accusations of misogyny rather than racism. (Less ammunition than 'normal' polls, granted, but still.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Not only does the St Ettiene love on here shock/stun/baffle me, it has also really annoyed me that their fans use the abbreviation of "StEt". I named our club Stet after the latin, and the the thought that I could be accidentally seen as an excessive St Ettiene fan scares me.

No surprise that Basic Channel didn't list (as I said above - it's a compilation), really surprised Parklife held up, but I guess there is a lot of rose-tinted spectacles for that album (I never owned it and always despised it at the time - much like Alba).

With the Daft Punk / Air calls coming in, I would hope to see Boards of Canada come through, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop out the way this is going. To way too many St Ettiene albums too. Geez.

As for the Orb vs Chemical Brothers - please get some perspective here. The Orb did it when noone wanted to know and got loved, the Chemical Brothers were dragged there by fame collaborations.

― 3underscore (___), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

there can't be that much St Etienne in the list if you're able to keep mis-spelling it ;)

i agree tho, but when they had so many things nominated the writing was on the wall, as with Radiohead in the 00s poll. Stereolab not as populist so didn't work for them i guess.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Shouldn't that have been as/more likely to lead to no/low showings by way of votesplitting as to this result, tho?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

there can't be that much St Etienne in the list if you're able to keep mis-spelling it ;)

I knre something looked wrong when I wrote it!!

― 3underscore (___), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Is now a good time to say how disappointed I am about the criminally low placings of the Saint Etienne albums?

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes! Let me join you!

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If it makes the St. E haters feel better (I voted for 2 of their LPs) you convinced me to purchase the Disco Inferno album.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

My biggest shock on this list (so far) is the high placement of a rather poor Pixies record.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never heard a Disco Inferno track. i never even heard OF them until the nominations thread.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, Stevem.

Get thee to "The Long Dance" or "Love Stepping Out" or "It's a Kid's World" at once.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

they can join the queue like everyone else

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Sometimes I think The Long Dance is my favourite song ever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My biggest shock on this list (so far) is the high placement of a rather poor Pixies record.

The adjudged supremacy of Trompe Le Monde over other Pixies albums (yes I know there was only one other one potentially up for consideration in this case) is a pleasing link with ILM past.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Talk Talk and all, I just didn't realise they got much ILM love.

You're new to ILM, right? Was 'Spirit of Eden' not nomintaed? No-one has tipped that to make it into the top 10 yet...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

bleeeeehhhh i am a FULE. SoE was released in 1988. ignore me. carry on!

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

As long as we're confessing our secrets, here's one of mine: I've never heard a Pavement album. I couldn't hum a Pavement song right now if you asked me to.

During the 90's, American indie rock and I passed by each other like strangers in the night.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a little interested in hearing some St. Etienne, Talk Talk, and Disco Inferno. I have a feeling the vocals will be a problem for me in the last couple bands (but their overall sound is more interesting to me than St. Etienne's, at least from what I can gather from audio clips* and descriptions).

*I know I could download stuff, but I hardly ever manage to find and download anything I have been looking for lately.

― Abdel Clave (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Someday, the majority of the populace will realise that Trompe le Monde is the best Pixies album. I am confident in this.

― peter u (spaces are allowed), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

My biggest shock on this list (so far) is the high placement of a rather poor Pixies record.

I really couldn't agree with this more. Their version of "Head On" sucks.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Trompe le ILX

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Why hasn't anyone figured out that "Painful" is the only Yo La Tengo album that's great from start to finish?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, *I* have.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

As long as we're confessing our secrets, here's one of mine: I've never heard a Pavement album. I couldn't hum a Pavement song right now if you asked me to.

Don't worry you didn't miss much other then a song about getting your hair cut. Oh, and a song where he ponders about Geddy Lee. Otherwise they've milked The Fall for 15 years and counting.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"I Can Hear the Heart ..." is great from start to finish too (otherwise I agree with you). It's a more adventurous album than Painful, the latter doesn't have anything like "Center of Gravity", or a funk/Can mashup like "Moby Octopad". The former doesn't have "Nowhere Near", probably the best song they ever did, or "I Was the Fool Beside You" -- one of the most faithful Spacemen 3 ripoffs ever. For me, it's a tossup between them.

Noodles -- oh good, maybe this is an appropriate time to say that I've never heard a Sloan or Rheos album either, however, I can hum a bunch of their songs (and have seen the Rheos live).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ICHTHBAO is far more enjoyable than Painful in my opinion, the only other YLT album that comes close is Electr-O-Pura. Mostly for those first four songs and "Blue Line Swinger," which is by far my favorite song of theirs.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Spirit Of Eden wasn't nominated 'cos it didn't come out in the 90's, Rob.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, he corrected himself in his next post.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

electropura is the shit, you are right dr.bill. but you can't go wrong with any ylt album except the 1st maybe. it's sad that there is only one (i guess) ylt album on this list but three st. etienne albums. shame on ilm.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Pavement sound nothing like the Fall, except for maybe an early tune or two. But that's a comparison I wish would DIE.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ah cool roxy - i missed it, sorry Rob!

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

that's OK jed. right after i posted that i realised my error, and then ILX locked up 'poxy fule' stylee on me and i was actually panicking that i couldn't post a correction. when i finally got back into the thread i was soooo relieved. yes, i am a sad man...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, i've done that before!

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Is now a good time to say how disappointed I am about the criminally low placings of the Saint Etienne albums?

Why not? Why should the haters have the monopoly on whingeing?

I'm glad to see Tiger Bay here, at least. I was thinking the Saint Etienne vote was split too much.

Continental at #1, then??

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ever been to that one club, "Stet"? I hear the guy who named it is a big Saint Etienne fan.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never heard a Pavement album. I couldn't hum a Pavement song right now if you asked me to.

Most people who *have* heard Pavement albums couldn't hum the songs either, don't worry.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Pavement are very hummable!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah - what the fuck, dude?

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

If they weren't, I wouldn't have loved 'em so much back in the day.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna say.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm humming "Range Life" right now!

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay enough about silly Pavement, where is Gear!! I want to know where Wu-Tang placed.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

He's already here, Alex! Making digs at me upthread!

― 3underscore (___), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

awright enough fun. on to the list

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo hoo!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah seriously, fun sucks. Let's get back to complaining!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

#20

MASSIVE ATTACK - Blue Lines (555 points, 34 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Unquestionably Blue Lines by Massive Attack. It's what many other albums were measured by throughout this barren decade."
-- russ t

"If someone doesn't nominate Blue Lines in the next 24 hours I'm going to pay some n01ze dud3s to "take care" of ILM."
-- roxymuzak

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

no offence but these comments are pretty worthless (ok that sounds really offensive no matter how many times i could say 'no offence!')

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, wtf happened between #27 and #26? The point differences had been really small, then there was a 70 point jump, and now everything's close again. Strange.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad that Blue Lines didn't chart higher. Really it's not that great a record.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha of course now that I say that SOMETHING I really don't like will be next.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

why not?

xpost

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

#19

PAVEMENT - Slanted and Enchanted (591 points, 33 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Slanted and Enchanted. In my opinion what sounds like "filler" when sober works when drunk etc. Put S+E on full blast when you've got a few people back after the pub's shut: there's not a wrong second."
--All Bunged Up

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

doing the best I can here while WORKING

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't let the comment nazis get you down, Gear!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha Blue Lines is like Massive Attack's worst album (apart from the atrocious 100th Window obv).

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad that Blue Lines didn't chart higher. Really it's not that great a record.
It is a great record, but I do think it's overrated, particularly in comparison to Massive Attack's subsequent work. Maybe that's just my general preference for claustrophobic dub over soul and R&B.

For instance, "Angel" and "Karmacoma" kill anything on "Blue Lines".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

#18

MINISTRY - Filth Pig (600 points, 34 votes, 1 first place vote)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

doing the best I can here while WORKING

and it's very appreciated (esp. by someone who KNOWS ;)

and i guess once you've searched (the hard part) you may as well post whatever you can find

again my criticism is directed at all of ILM for spending 99% of the time saying how great a record is but only 1% explaining why

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ministry's 34 votes = all the members of pigface?

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

again my criticism is directed at all of ILM for spending 99% of the time saying how great a record is but only 1% explaining why

Saying clever stuff is hard!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

call me, when someone says something clever.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

This means Crooked Rain will come in higher than Slanted & Enchanted? Chalk it up to the reissue of the former? (But maybe that happened before the voting, come to think of it.)

― Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

#18

NIRVANA - Nevermind (621 points, 33 votes)

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"a lot of what bothers me about kneejerk Nirvana-hate is that it reads like a negation of the populist impulse that made them, to my and a lot of other ears, transcendent--the thing that makes great pop transcendent, no matter who made it or what its "impact" is or whatever. that music still sounds to me like something that somebody made to reach people, and the fact that it succeeded, especially on such a widespread scale, is remarkable given how circumscribed the bands Nirvana were aligned with at the time Nevermind came out were in terms of popularity."
--M Matos

"Nevermind turned the music world upside down just as the beatles did. it is a modern day classic and should be given some god damn justice."
-- Zac

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Matos OTM.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEE!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This means Crooked Rain will come in higher than Slanted & Enchanted? Chalk it up to the reissue of the former?

Err - chalk it up to Crooked Rain Crooked Rain being generally more popular? It was their breakthrough album.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, most non-Amerindie obsessives rate CR, CR higher than S&E (and then there are those of us who think they lost the plot as soon as they started releasing albums.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I met one of those people once! He was the first Slint fan I met too.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Spin, for what it's worth, name Slanted & Enchanted record of the year? Maybe my experience is idiosynratic, but Slanted seemed like an enormous event and Crooked Rain, while interesting in retrospect, seemed like a letdown at the time.

― Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It seemed like a huge leap forward to me, but then I'm a bit of a tune and arrangement fan.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, to big Amerindie kids you've pegged it, Derek. Those kids are about 1/10th of Pavement's fanbase though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

When will Nevermind get some god damn justice?

― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It was #18! That's pretty impressive.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

this list has become spin magazine

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Well then. Three albums I definitely thought would be higher.

I really will always prefer S&E to CR,CR. Both are fantastic and song-for-song, CR,CR might be the better album, but there's just something magical and timeless about S&E that doesn't apply to CR,CR. Though I do also love CR, CR because it reminds me very specifically of my favorite period in music history.

Anyway, I agree with most people that Blue Lines really isn't so great--songs like "Lately" and "Hymn of the Big Wheel" do nothing for me, and songs like "Safe From Harm" and "One Love" probably sounded a whole lot better in '91 than they do now. Still, "Daydreaming" and "Unifinished Sympathy" are undisputable classic singles, and most of the collective-rap tracks are pretty awesome. It's a fine album, but not quite a classic.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

#17

BJORK - Homogenic (628 points, 31 votes)

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"Homogenic hands down. It takes alot more patience to 'get' it but I think in the long run it is a better album simply because it is more focused and more sonically interesting. I don't have any other albums that sound like Homogenic really."
--Ryan A. White

"The first Bjork I heard was a bootlegged cassette version of Homogenic that came out of the tapedeck at a slightly faster tempo/higher pitch than the actual album. I only found this out after listening to the 'flawed' recording for several months in the car stereo. So my favorite Bjork album=speeded up version of Homogenic. Hmmm...if I got the vinyl I could re-produce the effect..."
-- turner

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i forgot 'Nevermind' and 'Blue Lines' had been nominated. they were nominated very late in the proceedings.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

the singles and remixes from homogenic are so so good

http://stat.discogs.com/R/28989-1079946947.jpg

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I am overjoyed that Wu-Tang beat that awful pavement album.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

#16

PAVEMENT - Crooked Rain Crooked Rain (636 points, 34 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain is my favorite album of all time. I spent too many nights driving across Iowa on I-35 listening to this, passing under lamps from a cloverleaf when the words "This is the city life..." hit. That outro counting off the road markers, the silos, the moon, ending just as an eighteen-wheeler eases past.
I once made a short video called "Rabbit Fever" to the tune of "Unity= 5-4". I just filmed stuff around the house and hummed the tune in my head. When I put the music to what I had on the camera, it synched up pretty good.

The video for "Range Life" was wise for utilizing the underused technique of walking backwards through a crowd and was wise for not utilizing an attempted Evan Dando cameo. (The song is great, too. No more dated than "Garden Party".)

What you were supposed to do on a cold night roadtrip is to smoke your cigarette when "Hit the Plane Down" comes on. That comes at a good break, the cold air from your open window gives you that Alive feeling, and you can fell all cozy and warm from the defroster when you row the window back up and "Fillmore Jive" comes on."
--Pleasant Plains

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Those Funkstorung remixes are among the best things either of them has done.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sure these two Pavement albums aren't that bad, but...

fuck a Pavement (actually a guy did that once, got three months)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

#15

APHEX TWIN - Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 (650 points, 32 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"I'll go with SAW vol. 2 as well. It didn't really click when I first bought it a few years back. But I couldn't fall asleep one night so I put it on and listened until what must've been around 6am or so, and yeah, it scared the hell out of me. Not exactly certain why, as now I find it very peaceful, but on that first sleepless night it really freaked me out."
-- Alan N

"I find it incredibly nice to put on during those moments of semi-sleep. The long silences between tracks can be very interesting at 3am. The only qualm I have (but also the reason I like it so much) is that many of the tracks, though peaceful are VERY scarey. In fact, I think track 6 off the UK version of CD2 is the most chilling voodoo-y tune of all time and I can't listen to it at night or I get bad dreams. I generally have to program the cd player to skip some of the unsettling tunes on there."
-- dog latin

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit wu-tang beat BOTH pavement albums! Alex, hi-five.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

There was only one yo la tengo album nominated, though...
I would have liked to see 'fakebook' in there, though so many people sneer at it.

I do hope 'If You're Feeling Sinister' is on this list. If only for the resultant howls of rage.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(fingers crossed for no Crooked Rain)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(bah)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hopefully Wu-Tang! Nas! Biggie! And PE! beating both Pavement albums gives me a little hope for this place.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, I thought that album was already on? Weren't both SAWs in the high 40s?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

No, just the first one.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

if 'Remedy' doesn't make it then this place may be lost for me

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, guess not. Wonder what made me think that.

Anyway, I guess that means no Oval. But the rest of my prediction still stands.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It will make it, Steve. It's on like 12 ballots on the other thread.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

wu tang at #1. this i predict.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

if 'Remedy' doesn't make it then this place may be lost for me

You gotta be kidding, Stevem. The most popular Basement Jaxx album not making it? No fucking way. I'd have been surprised it was so low if it was on already.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

#14

NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - Ready To Die (693 points, 30 votes, 3 first place votes)

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"it's somewhere in my top 10 albums of all time. notorious big = simultaneously figure of high camp and figure of macho violent menace, hurrah! the eagerness to please his mother/shame at shaming her is another recurring theme that is played out rather interstingly."
--Kilian

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Nas beat Biggie! WOOP WOOP

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet Nas didn't get 3 first place votes though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

remedy
mhtrtc
endtroducing
illmatic
36 chambers
different class
ok computer
loveless

good humor?

what's left?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Fear of a Black Planet

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

THIS LIST IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT EROTICA

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and Maxinquaye

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

and Dummy

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Were the two SAWs the only Aphex albums nominated?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Fear of a Black Planet
Dummy
Maxinquaye
69 Love Songs
If You're Feeling Sinister.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

basic channel goddamnit!

the lex is otm.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

So there is one that you guys are missing (assuming that you've got the other 12 right--which I think you do.) Hmmn.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm nearly positive that these are the 13 left:

Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Portishead - Dummy
Tricky - Maxinquaye
Nas - Illmatic
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Basement Jaxx - Remedy
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu: The 36 Chambers
The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children
Pulp - Different Class
Radiohead - OK Computer
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

Roughly in that order.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah that seems right to me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Did "Gentlemen" not even show up? :(

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

#13

BASEMENT JAXX - Remedy (695 points, 37 votes)

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"I picked up "Remedy" the other day knowing the 4 singles and "Same Old Show". It really is one of the best albums I've ever heard. It's smooth and flowing, suprising and unpredictable, bouncy and fun, hooky and spiky. It just sounds so easy."
-- Nick H

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ, I just realised that Tricky and Fucking Portishead are going to chart higher than Massive Attack. Why, God, Why?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

69 Love Songs, maybe?

Good Humour won't be there
If You're Feeling Sinister probably will

Deserter's Songs? There seems to be an absence of Mercury Rev.

Different Class

Ooh, how wonderfully indie..

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

So much for the Good Dr.'s order though. Wow I thought that would be top 10 for sure. How things have changed.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Before the all-important top #12, just a reminder that ILM did a 90s albums poll before once. Kind of. Here are the results of 2001's freeform all-time records poll, with all but 90s albums stripped out (overall position in brackets):

1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless (1)
2. Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs (4)
3. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible (5)
4. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (9)
5. Weezer - Pinkerton (18)
6. Nirvana - In Utero (20)
7. Boards of Canada - Music Has A Right to Children (21)
8. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space (25)
9. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 (29)
10. Tricky - Maxinquaye (32)
11. Fugazi - Red Medicine (35)
12. Manic Street Preachers - Generation Terrorists (45)
13. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing (48)
14. Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister (51)
15. Orb - The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld (53)
16. Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out (54)
17. Portishead - Dummy (62)
18. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been (66)
19. Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords (77)
20. Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Habitual (78)
21. Main Source - Breaking Atoms (80)
22. Radiohead - OK Computer (82)
23. Primal Scream - Screamadelica (88)
24. A Guy Called Gerald - Black Secret Technology (89)
25. Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted (92)
26. Massive Attack - Blue Lines (98)
27. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (99)
28. Pixies - Trompe Le Monde (100)

First comment?

four fucking rap albums. thanks, ilm!

-- ethan (epadget...)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry for lack of comments Gear, i could've helped in collecting some too. so much more than that has been said about Remedy here!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually like this list better (despite the St Etienne anomaly.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Did "Gentlemen" not even show up? :(

Yeah, unfortunately not. Perhaps nominating three albums by a band that would be lucky to have one place was perhaps not the best group strategy.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ, I just realised that Tricky and Fucking Portishead are going to chart higher than Massive Attack. Why, God, Why?
-- Andrew Farrell

they're both superior albums dude

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i listened to "ready to die" yesterday, it struck me that, as far as anything on on the disc can be said to be underrated, "respect" is underrated.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Portishead - Dummy
Tricky - Maxinquaye
Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu: The 36 Chambers
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Nas - Illmatic
The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
Pulp - Different Class
Radiohead - OK Computer
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

ORDER CORRECTED.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Nas'll beat Wu-Tang (even though it slightly did on my list.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

18. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been (66)
ROFFLEx1000000!!!

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck everything on that list except Portishead and Basement Jaxx, nothing else comes CLOSE to Erotica

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i listened to "ready to die" yesterday, it struck me that, as far as anything on on the disc can be said to be underrated, "respect" is underrated.

I heard, erm, the guys from !!! DJ at sonotheque in chicago and they played that cut. I was pleasantly surprised.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The only one I'm unsure about (which means of course it will now be #12) is Dummy. It seems to me that the rep of that album has decreased over the years, I'm sort of surprised to see it chart so high.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

surprised that 'Black Secret Technology' didn't make it at all (bet it's #101)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't even know what Erotica is.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I can take the lack of Tori Amos because obviously no one else on ILM likes her at all, but to have NO MADONNA on a 90s list is ludicrous.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

If DJ Shadow wins best rap album, ILM is disowned, (although this 90s list poops on the old one).

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think 'Dummy's rep has decreased - people don't talk about Portishead because we never hear from them. 'Dummy' is still an exceptional piece of work.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

my computer suxors for finding the best quotes

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

they're both superior albums dude

So true.

And yeah, I thought AGCG would place pretty high. Seems that it's got a pretty good consensus standing with the jungleheads.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Shadow cannot beat wu or nas.
xpsotsss

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Has everyone forgotten about the Manics since the last poll?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

If Dummy doesn't make it this list is officially a piece of shit.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

3. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible (5)

Hmmm ... this one has dropped off the face of the ILM earth since 2001. Which is a shame, actually. I voted for it.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i think nas'll beat wu tang.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with stevem, maxinquaye and dummy are both exceptional harrowing pieces of work. blue lines is just bland.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, even though I voted for Dummy, it seems like its looking to chart WAYYYYYY too high. But then again, top 12 is more likely than not placing at all, so it's definitely going to be in there.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I can take the lack of Tori Amos because obviously no one else on ILM likes her at all, but to have NO MADONNA on a 90s list is ludicrous.
Calm down, she placed three singles.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i know Endtroducing so well, i don't even own Illmatic or 36 Chambers but ILM isn't gonna make me feel guilty about that (and nor should i)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Madonna is all about the singles. is it true only gay guys and teenage girls bought her albums?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm really really surprised Check Your Head didn't make it.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

#12

PORTISHEAD - Dummy (699 points, 41 votes, 2 first place votes)

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"For me, the central interest on Dummy was precisely the dual reading the group offered, coming across alternately -- depending upon the listener's moods and circumstances, I suppose -- as either Ned's icy "goth" or just incredibly warm, like some sort of minimalist soul combo specializing in the sleepy and forlorn. By the latter of which I mean: "It Could Be Sweet.""
--Nitsuh

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I am bemused that Generation Terrorists made it at all when Fear Of A Black Planet didn't. I blame Ally. I don't think I voted in 2001.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I was talking about Dummy with a friend of mine the other day. His take: "I'm sorry, man, but unless I'm getting laid, there's no fucking reason to listen to that album." I concur, but add also that it sounds awesome when yr all fucked up on drugs.. so two reasons to listen to Dummy, then.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i know Endtroducing so well, i don't even own Illmatic or 36 Chambers but ILM isn't gonna make me feel guilty about that (and nor should i)

Yes, yes you should.

I'm really really surprised Check Your Head didn't make it.

So OTM - not that I want it to, but I figured the DJ Shadow contingent...

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Madonna is all about the singles. is it true only gay guys and teenage girls bought her albums?

Possibly. But then the straight men were off buying Definitely Maybe and Illmatic, so we win.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

and fucking Pavement too

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

the only people buying definitely maybe were the british.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

good comeback alex

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he meant The Lex.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

'Check Your Head' and 'Hello Nasty' should both be on this list, surprised they're not but maybe the Beastie Boys are out of favour due to 'In A World Gone Mad' and the latest album (which has it's fun moments but is mostly a tired, predictable step in retreat)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Just to reiterate - these lists provide so much more basis for calling ILM misogynist than they do for calling it racist!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

erotica is a really great record. i haven't heard it in a very long time, but it's the only madonna lp that i really like aside from the s/t first one. i think it's the drum programming and general sleaziness.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

!an I prove you wrong. I loved that tape. hated all their other stuff though.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

'Black Sunday' strikes me as a notable hip-hop omission too considering it's hugeness at the time (bonus points for 'being okay for dopey white teenagers to like too' blah blah)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Check Your Head and Ill Communication I could see, but Hello Nasty was the beginning of the gigantic tailsping they are currently in.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Check Your Head and Cuban Linx are battling it out for the number 101 position.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

lauryn hill
TLC
st. etienne
sleater kinney
pj harvey
portishead
cocteau twins
liz phair
stereloab
elastica
missy elliot
DESTINY'S CHILD
KELIS - Kaleidoscope

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

What do people think of Main Source's Breaking Atoms these days? Back then we seemed to think it was the third best hiphop album of the 90s.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah how the hell does cuban linx not make it.

No one nominated BA or it would have been ranking.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

who let girls on the list?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just listening to 'Looking At The Front Door'. It sounds pretty good.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

lauryn hill
TLC
st. etienne
sleater kinney
pj harvey
portishead
cocteau twins
liz phair
stereloab
elastica
missy elliot
DESTINY'S CHILD
KELIS - Kaleidoscope

all very very far away from the higher end of the list, I mean are there any female-led albums that anyone expects to make the top ten even?

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

if ILM were misogynist they wouldn't be on the list at all.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only one who voted for Boatman's Call?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My Bloody Valentine, if St Etiene counts.

― danh (danh), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, MBV, Pulp, and Magnetic Fields all have female members.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i figure it's "fear of a black planet" coming up next.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm hoping Mary Margeret O'Hara's Miss America tops the 1980s poll, to redress the balance.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i would have voted for boatman's call if i voted.. i think the voting was going down when my connection at home was down; i missed it somehow.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

MBV does NOT count, all you MBV fans are too busy jizzing over Kevin Shield's manly auteur-genius.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello Nasty was the beginning of the gigantic tailsping they are currently in

seems to be a consensus but this alarms me given it's critical reaction at the time seemed overtly positive...i suppose i should be moaning about Paul's Boutique and Ill Communication more tho

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

sure MBV counts. the beautiful vox are part of the appeal for me (and for many people, i think?)

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

for real ian, i was just about to say the same thing

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm joking around. But seriously, I wouldn't use that as a defense of the lack of women on the list.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

if ILM were misogynist they wouldn't be on the list at all.

ILM is not a person and so this is obviously not a binary issue. I guess Lex is saying that there are NOT ENOUGH non-misogynists on ILM to afford women their rightful status on this poll.

I think misogynist is a bit of a silly word to use, still. It's more like gynephobic. Hang on, that's even more ridiculous.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Never mind these nutty accusations of misogyny ... look at this this list:

Yo La Tengo
Sleater-Kinney
Elastica

and that's it! Yes, ILM is anti-Semitic OMGWTF BLAHALHLDHIUWEHRDHHEIFG

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

seems to be a consensus but this alarms me given it's critical reaction at the time seemed overtly positive

Haha yeah, but at the time I was going "Ugh, what is this shit? People actually like this?" so this is all karmic justice for me.

(xpost IEEEEEEE I PHEAR THE GYNE)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, Beasties too.

xpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

(xxxpost: What this poll REALLY shows is that ILM hates Asians.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

No, the Beasties were shut out on this poll. I've been complaining about it every five minutes today.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember lots of people being sniffy about Hello Nasty when it came out. I was never a huge fan and thought 'Intergalactic' was the best thing they'd ever done. I haven't heard the rest of it. I had Check Your Head once but it seemed all arsing around and I lost patience and sold it. Maybe I'd like it now.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(I don't actually think ILM is misogynist. but there are far more women overlooked than there is hip-hop overlooked here.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

AND ASIANS

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't actually think of an album i could've nominated in place of 'Hello Nasty' that would've placed.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG where are edie brickell, sinead o connor, michelle shocked and sheryl crow???

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I am puzzling over that post.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

#11

PUBLIC ENEMY - Fear Of A Black Planet 774 points, 36 votes, 4 first place votes

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"PE was never mainstream hip-hop -- most significantly, they weren't particularly funky. They were the noisiest, rockiest great hip-hop band ever. They just happened to be amazing, which made them stand out way out of proportion to their place in the hip-hop spectrum. They were an anomaly, a branch off the main trunk, and they defined that branch so completely that it's no surprise not many other people have climbed out on it."
--JesseFox

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i tried to write a comment for FOABP and included the comment 'dripping with funk'!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

My quick count reveals 29 entries on this list by female artists, groups with female members, or albums prominently featuring female vocalists (i.e. Massive Attack). They're spread uniformly from the top to the bottom of this list, a trend which will continue in the top ten. What was the problem again?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

not enough angry vagina riot grrrl music

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

There is no problem. Someone is being a dope just cuz Madonna didn't make it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

here is where i say that i've never actually heard FOABP.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU SHOULD!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha sorry that was just my dee imitation. Thanks I'll be here all week.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

PE was never mainstream hip-hop -- most significantly, they weren't particularly funky

PE weren't particularly funky? I guess it's too facile to point out that so many of their samples came from funk, but on a more immediate level, a lot of their songs made me want to dance. I wasn't the only one either.

― Abdel Clave (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex weren't you the one whining about ILM's anti-hip-hop bias in the singles poll?!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw public enemy open for sonic youth once. it was kool. there were riot police everywhere.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

but dan's right; we DO hate asians.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

let's see if i can stay on my one prediction-strong roll and call "maxinquaye" next (tho'd i'd be much happier if i was wrong and we finally got this belle & sebastian thing over with)

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

THE TOP TEN will come later today...give it a couple of hours

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Alex weren't you the one whining about ILM's anti-hip-hop bias in the singles poll?!"

Somewhat. Mostly I was just irritated by the ten Pulp/St Etienne songs. This poll obviously looks a lot better to me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not quite sure how this helps your case. Only 29? Out of 100? And that includes many albums where there's just a single female member. That sounds like a resoundingly male list to me. Maybe that's not out of proportion to records released and/or other popular polls, I don't know. But without the relevant yardsticks, it doesn't seem to say much.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"makes me wanna dance" != funk. PE sampled lots of funk, but what they made with it wasn't funk. It was something else entirely. That's not to say the music doesn't move, it just doesn't move in a very funk-like way.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

what percentage of pop/rock music released is created by women as opposed to men? I seriously don't know, but I doubt it's 50/50...

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

No - I'm sure it isn't. BECAUSE YOU FUCKERS DON'T BUY IT.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry - that was kind of a joke.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, put fucking quotas in the nomination/voting rules next time and get over yourselves.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am always in over my head when I try to talk about funkiness. I'm not sure I get it.

― Abdel Clave (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Male / Female Ratio In Your Record Collection

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

also this:

They're spread uniformly from the top to the bottom of this list, a trend which will continue in the top ten.

is patently untrue. The 'female' bands near the top of the list are like Pulp and MBV.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe Kenickie are at number one :)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be lovely!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Steady on.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I wanted to nominate The Immaculate Collection, but no comps were allowed.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I take it Spice missed out as well, then.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks Alba, from now on i'm only buying records by womyn that don't shave their legs until my collection equals a fair representation of the total populace

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Were they not, chris? They should have been - as long as the consisted of tracks all(or almost all) from the 90s, which would rule out The Immaculate Collection. Wasn't that Fugazi thing a compilation?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

'should have been' = 'should have been, in my opinion" that is.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

but i'm thinking my erasure and jimmy sommerville records should count for something, right?

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you OK?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i'm bored to tears at work today in spite of being very busy. not wanting to be here at all, and this list is moving all too slowly

thanks for asking

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Gear i sent you a comment

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Female representation in top ten: MagFields, Pulp, MBV.
in top twenty: Massive Attack, Bjork, Portishead.

30% of the top ten
30% of the top twenty. Same proportion as the entire list.

The 'female' bands near the top of the list are like Pulp and MBV.
I'm sure that Belinda Butcher and Debbie Googe would be thrilled to hear that you've taken their contributions to a 50/50 male/female band and rounded them down to zero.

Alba is correct -- 30% of the list doesn't say much without some context. If women were involved in the creation of half of all music in the 90's, then 30% would be far too low. But as Ian said, it's almost certainly much lower than half. Another encouraging sign is that female representation on this list spans many genres. It's not as though female hip-hop or R&B stars were shunned, for instance. But maybe other polls can claim the same thing, I'm not sure.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Female representation in top ten: MagFields, Pulp, MBV.
in top twenty: Massive Attack, Bjork, Portishead.

Somewhere in here we are expecting "If You're Feeling Sinister", yes? Ms Campbell and Ms Martin must be feeling a bit neglected.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yes, I forgot about that one (I did remember to count B&S as part of the 29, however).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

While we wait for Gear! to bring us the top 10, here's the current UK Top 10:

1 Girls Aloud - I'll Stand By You
2 Destiny's Child - Lose My Breath
3 Lemar - If There's Any Justice
4 Gwen Stefani - What You Waiting For
5 McFly - Room on the 3rd Floor
6 Eminem - Just Lose It
7 U2 - Vertigo
8 JoJo - Baby It's You
9 Usher - Confessions Part II/My Boo
10 Christina Aguilera feat. Missy - Car Wash

Hurrah - it's 50:50 with the women bossing the top end of the chart. Good old pop.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(Did you get Boredoms?)xpost

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

One day I hope all society will be like the UK top 10. In some ways more than others.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurrah for the UK top 10!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(I don't actually think ILM is misogynist. but there are far more women overlooked than there is hip-hop overlooked here.)

Um, what a strange parallel

hip-hop = genre
women = gender

And actually I haven't complained too much about h-h's placement in the albums poll. Not that there isn't anything to complain about - but I'm actually sort of surprised how well hip-hop has done on this poll (i.e. Wu-Tang beating pavement).

Frankly, it doesn't shock me that many of the females that made this list actually come from the erm "black music" hip-hop/R&B spectrum rather than the indie rock spectrum (aside from a few girls who do the vocals for the auteur-geniuses. I mean lets be serious here, saying that the female vocals on MBV are part of what you like about them is a pretty pathetic representation for women.)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's The Lex's top 30, so you know where he's coming from:

1. tori amos - from the choirgirl hotel
2. björk - homogenic
3. madonna - erotica
4. pj harvey - to bring you my love
5. kelis - kaleidoscope
6. fiona apple - when the pawn...
7. destiny's child - the writing's on the wall
8. lauryn hill - the miseducation of lauryn hill
9. nick cave and the bad seeds - the boatman's call
10. portishead - dummy
11. tlc - crazysexycool
12. hole - live through this
13. pj harvey - dry
14. saint etienne - tiger bay
15. all saints - all saints
16. basement jaxx - remedy
17. saint etienne - so tough
18. spice girls - spice
19. en vogue - funky divas
20. bonnie 'prince' billy - i see a darkness
21. björk - post
22. tricky - maxinquaye
23. lucinda williams - car wheels on a gravel road
24. betty boo - boomania
25. kd lang - ingénue
26. madonna - ray of light
27. kenickie - at the club
28. prince - diamonds and pearls
29. massive attack - mezzanine
30. liz phair - exile in guyville

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(ILM LOVES SLEATER KINNEY.)xpost

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(Did you get Boredoms?)xpost
No, I forgot! I just realized that I forgot to count Tricky as well.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly, it doesn't shock me that many of the females that made this list actually come from the erm "black music" hip-hop/R&B spectrum rather than the indie rock spectrum

That breakdown again:

TLC
LAUREN HILL
MISSY ELLIOTT
KELIS

PJ HARVEY x2
SLEATER KINNEY x2
ELASTICA
BJORK x2
THE SUNDAYS/ST ETIENNE/CACTAUR TWINS
LIZ PHAIR

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, what percentage do you think that represents of both "uber-genres"?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly, it doesn't shock me that many of the females that made this list actually come from the erm "black music" hip-hop/R&B spectrum rather than the indie rock spectrum (aside from a few girls who do the vocals for the auteur-geniuses.
If you're going to play it that way, then we can marginalize and discount Missy Elliott and score one for Timbaland.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

barry OTM!

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean don't fool yourself into thinking that hip-hop/R&B music makes up the same amount of this list as indie.

MIR - I don't agree, bcuz otherwise we'd rank timbaland and magoo albums.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: I mean lets be serious here, saying that the female vocals on MBV are part of what you like about them is a pretty pathetic representation for women.

A female artist produced by men, singing songs written by men, is fully female, but one who sings in a band full of men isn't?

― Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

This is silly. Stop it.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"CACTAUR"

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

MIR - I don't agree, bcuz otherwise we'd rank timbaland and magoo albums.
and we'd also rank Frank Black's solo albums, and Billy Corgan's poetry.

Creating a hierarchy where we delegitimize the contributions of the woman who sang the song in favour of the man who produced the record and played guitar on it reeks of you-know-what (it rhymes with "shlockism").

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't marginalize rockist feminists.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(FWIW i think this is one of r*ck*sm's positive contributions.)

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(Yawn). Can we have the next album?

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

change of topic... BRING ON THE TOP TEN!!!

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

THE TOP TEN will come later today...give it a couple of hours
-- Riot Gear! (speed.to.roa...) (webmail), November 23rd, 2004 7:38 PM. (Gear!) (later) (link)

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― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

To the LW&C designer: thank you! Obviously it's the comic content for which I bought them, but it's a series I love unreservedly. I say more on the best comics ever poll thread on I Love Comics, if you're interested.

I love Blue Lines better than Dummy or Maxinquaye, great as they both are. I'm a soul fan, which may have a lot to do with it, and a Horace Andy fan. Blue Lines was my #2 choice.

My female representation was about the average - a third of my votes feature women to some degree (and my 'glaring omission' was Fanmail). I think that women would make up a small proportion of any poll of the greatest hip-hop, rock/indie or UK dance/techno, to be honest, and they are most of what is getting votes here. Pop and R&B don't do terribly well on this list, and they are much more female-heavy genres. Maybe it's our tastes for the genres that are sexist rather than our tastes within those genres?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This debate has taken a turn for the hysterical.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It started hysterical. it's now bordering on the absurb.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Absurb" sounds like the town where I went to high school; an absurd suburb.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

...the absurdly hysterical, perhaps?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

It's more fun than just moaning that x artist isn't there and y artist is there too much.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Martin completely OTM.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's more fun than just moaning that x artist isn't there and y
artist is there too much."

Not true. Nothing is more fun than that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Also pop was never going to do as well on the album list.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, it makes a nice change then.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Not true. Nothing is more fun than that.

don't ever change.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha don't worry.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

#10

BOARDS OF CANADA - Music Has the Right To Children (780 points, 42 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Fucking classic. I think the people who consider them only ""background music"" must have pretty narrowly prescribed ideas about what foreground music is. I could listen to some of these beats for years, just sitting intently in front of my stereo at full volume."
-- Josh

"Absolute classic. I agree with the above post - it's not background music at all. I've had the album for ages now but i was listening to it with headphones on and i heard so many new things on tracks like Telephasic Workshop etc. It was like a totally new record. I like Plone too but i wouldn't compare them. Plone are very kitsch and cheesy but in an acceptably tongue-in-cheek way. I don't understand why people find the Boards cheesy though. The analogue sounds make a refreshing change to all the Autechre, V/VM and Richard Devine digital sounds going about today. BoC are the new Orb"
-- dog latin

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - If You're Feeling Sinister (810 points, 33 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JHAU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"If being twee means singing about S&M, casual violence, sexual
fantasies, lesbian love and hypothermia, then this is twee. Like most
labels, 'twee' only tells part of what you need to know. There may be
lilting harmonies and indie-pop feyness displayed to their fragile best here, but this should be celebrated, rather than condemned. Belle and Sebastian know life is harsh, and you can escape into your dreams of horses; your day-dreams or to the running track but eventually there's the return to reality to contend with. This, however, is a temporary antidote. Aware enough of reality to arouse some feeling of empathy in the listener, and yearning enough to transport them into its own special dream-world."
--hobart paving

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

At some point this dream will end and I will realize that Nas and Wu-Tang didn't make it at all and only Blur, Pulp and Radiohead albums remain.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the orb at #45
boards of canada at #10

the world is full of injustices

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

if only all record covers could be as good as the last two...

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Fortunately this is not one of them because that Boards album is flat-out astonishing in a way that that Orb album is not. (And yes, I felt that way about that Orb album when it came out in '91.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not much of an injustice.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually the last 6 album covers have all been pretty great as that PE and Biggie one are also two of my favorites.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Remedy and Dummy are just okay.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

NAS - Illmatic (877 points, 38 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000029GA.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Anybody that would knock the Illmatic is a fucking dumbass. I don't understand how anybody could write nas off as average when, in today's hip hop scene, he is a unique as it gets. The lyrics in his poetry range from lighted hearted tongue twisters that homey could chill to on any night and jsut kick it, to gut wrenching ballads about love, sacriice, and murder. His songs tell stories and represent an eniter lifestyle that defines countless youths in urban America today. He transcends all the "dirty south" (except for Luda) bullshit chants that dumbfucks are jocking today. but its all good. Anybody that couldn't appreciate thug poetry like Nas's Ill matic obviously doesn't understand what hip hop is all about."
-- Michael Arnelle

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahahahaha OH YE OF LITTLE FAITH

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo hoo! I was right!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean about Wu-Tang placing higher, not about none of them placing. I was wrong about that. Thank god.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a great cover too.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a great fuckin' cover too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

BLUR - Modern Life Is Rubbish

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

TRICKY - Maxinquaye (896 points, 48 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001E7V.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"I think people tend to focus too heavily on the lightness of Maxinquaye, which is really only relative to his later work. Any coffee-house that dared play "Strugglin" on a regular basis would go out of business. What maybe Maxinquaye has that the subsequent records don't is a consistent on emphasis on a maximalist beauty, with the profusion of sounds and melodies set against each other so that they glint and sparkle with reflected light."
-- Tim Finney

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm dead pleased that B&S made the top 10, btw. What a funny, inclusive world music is.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

DODGY - The Dodgy Album

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Can 2 Legit 2 Quit really still be to come??

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a great blurb by Tim btw.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ SHADOW - Entroducing (943 points, 47 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000005DQR.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Look, trip-hop was a good idea - not because of 'racist' or
'culturally ignorant' sneering at gangsta rap (which DID seem out of
favour prior to the West Coast rebirth of Dre with Snoop and Tupac in
tow - coming around the same time Davis's early works (Lost & Found,
In-Flux) were surfacing on Mo Wax) signifying that too many white rock
fans couldn't relate and needed it 'their way' (tho that feeling
undeniably existed, and I know because I felt it myself at times), but
just because it was an option, another door to another world - or at
least another way in which to see (hear) this world. Some prefer it,
some don't - what again shouldn't be denied is that the ethos behind
this (exploration, experimentation) is artistically as honourable as
anything. Pretentious? Some of the greatest work is. Motives aside,
the execution is truly breathtaking here (if a genre need exist just
so one record can, let it be this one I guess). One man, one MPC2000
and several hundred (thousand?) records drafted from every other genre
and style. Some call hip-hop the real punk - James Brown the ultimate
rebel, Davis and 'Endtroducing' nods to that idea, moshes to Zep,
drifts to Axelrod and Gershwin, thinks about bopping to Clinton and
Zapp but instead trips out to the psyche-rock it owes as much to as
any of those other influences (this is a West Coast record after all).
It throws a bridge between the experimental exploits of your Boredoms
and Black Dice and that which made 'Three Feet High & Rising' such a
curious, charming joy at times. Oh and it's funny here and there ('you
jus fessin', 'they all got ass', 'it's the money') - cute even - and
then sometimes 'gothic' in it's opulent menace (be it the charming but
sinister flute on 'Changeling', the sorrowful guitar strings of
'Stem', those incoherent interludes).

I would say introspective but one reason I love it is
that it reminds me of my own past, scenes and dreams, lost in and
forever in love with those things, and phat (and hell ARE they) beats
of course."
--Freelance Hiveminder

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

MARKY MARK AND THE FUNKY BUNCH - Music For The People

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wu-Tang in the TOP 5?!?! Can this be the ILM I have been bad mouthing for the past week haha?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(I should stop.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

RADIOHEAD - OK Computer (947 points, 47 votes, 5 first place votes)

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"An absolute classic. One of the few albums which there isn't a dodgy song on it. Things I like:

(1) It speaks of man's fear of the times he lives in. This (personally speaking) has made it get more and more relevant as times goes on. I've heard it claimed as the first album to articulate this fear: anyone care to give a counter example?

(2) They didn't have to make it. They could have made The Bends pt.2 and the world would never have known what it missed. But there's a spirit lives in the hearts of men... Always a sucker for a good narrative, me.

(3) The conscious push away from being A Guitar Band. Obviously Kid A is further on this path, but I've been listening to a megamix of OK Computer, Kid A and Amnesiac, and it does feel of a piece.

(4) "A heart that's..."
-- Andrew Farrell

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm interesting aye?

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

CELINE DION - Colour Of My Love

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank God for that.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That's pretty shocking, Gear!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Another way to look at BoC is to note that they led the Warp Records pack. Sorry, there's no way anyone can convince me that BoC at their best are better than Aphex or Autechre at their best.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I'm not surprised that Loveless beat it, but 4 other albums (including most probably one hip hop record.) Yeah that's surprising.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Siamese Dream has "Disarm" but Adore has "Ava Adore", "Perfect" and the one where's he's moaning to his mom.

Surely, Dan, Adore is all about "Appels + Oranjes"!!!!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Pablo Honey is #3 and The Bends is #1.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

OK Computer got just five more points than Endtroducing!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe, but Music Has The Right To Children is a better record than anything those other two have released, MIR.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost, yes, that one too)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ive heard black saint and the sinner lady bandied about quite a bit as a counter-example to claim (1).

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Bends is already up there, I think.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

#1 = Tag Team

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing that makes great pop transcendent

there is "a thing" that makes pop "transcendent"?

bah...critics...

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What's left????

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe, but Music Has The Right To Children is a better record than anything those other two have released, MIR.
not even close

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Bends is already up there, I think.

DAMMIT

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Wu-Tang
Different Class
Loveless
69 Love Songs

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck you too, Amateurist

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Spice

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

loveless, 36 chambers, 69 love songs, and diff class

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Tremendous write-up by Steve for Endtroducing. I am really delighted that the Wu look well set to beat Radiohead!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"this would really be transcendent if it weren't for..."

"this last album is a bit more transcendent than the previous one"

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

PULP - Different Class (1047 points, 54 votes, 5 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001E8P.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Pulp, for instance, did indeed make terrific records before Different Class, but what makes DC special is that it's the sound of a band reaching out to the big audience it thinks is out there and trying to get something across. The audience/ambition feedback loop which makes crossover-pop so exciting sometimes."
--Tom

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"not even close"

Well most people would rather listen to it then any of their stuff then.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

1. loveless
2. dif class
3. 69 love songs
4. 36 chambers

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay this is getting really shocking!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

TRAVIS - The Man Who

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

oh well

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't realize there was this much hidden 36 Chambers love on ILM?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

blount did pretty well upthread

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

This is getting exiting

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, just a guess: 1) Loveless, 2) Nevermind 3) Screamadelica.
-- Mr Noodles (infinitecow...), November 19th, 2004 9:40 PM.
I'd be v.surprised if 69 Love Songs wasn't top 3. If it won I wouldn't be surprised either.
-- Alba (albab...), November 19th, 2004 9:47 PM.
69 Love Songs won't beat out Loveless or OK Computer, but it will be top 10. I had it at #3 i think.

-- Mike O. (mikeohh...), November 19th, 2004 9:50 PM.

Ha ha - vindicated.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Did he? He predicted a top 3 showing?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't be bothered going back to check - did Cuban Linx really not make it at all?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, it really didn't.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

# 2

WILCO - Being There

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

69 Love Songs I love you for beating Radiohead.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

dan almost made me scream at my computer with his fake-out travis entry

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

ATARI TEENAGE RIOT - Burn, Hollywood, Burn!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

This countdown is suddenly pleasing everyone.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost VICTORY)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm, I've never really been able to get into the Magnetic Fields. It all just seems so arch.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "Burn Hollywood Burn"!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Arch is OK sometimes.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post: I know, that's the "point," right?)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah it's so cool! And double cool for me because I nominated 69 LS.

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

MAGNETIC FIELDS - 69 Love Songs (1095 points, 49 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JY1X.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif

"What makes Merritt valuable, in my eyes, is that he's one of very few people today who view the text of the pop song as something that can be whole and coherent for purposes other than humor or distance. He writes as a songwriter -- rather than trying, like so many singers, to pretend that some screen has been dropped and he's right there with you, rambling in your ear, he accepts the fact that he is writing texts for your consumption and entertainment, emotionally and intellectually, and this opens up a whole realm of address and possibility that's completely absent from the aspiring-poet's-diary school of lyricists. (His whole career is worth it for one line: "You won't be happy with me, but give me one more chance; you won't be happy anyway." Who else could do that?) I'd argue that this same sort of approach extends to the music he makes, as well, but this post is probably growing long enough as it is. Suffice it to say that I feel like there's a whole complex underlying his aims, specific fallacies that he's valuable for refuting, and chief among them is this idea that it's more authentic or more emotional to watch people do than it is to watch them think -- a concept that's largely alien to me, because my primary joy in art and words comes from the fact that they alone can serve as a conduit of people's thoughts."
--Nitsuh

"I sometimes wonder how narrow a definition of 'emotional' people must have who don't find emotion in 69 Love Songs. The album's lack of emotion has become the stick a lot of people have to beat it with - for me, it's an album I listened to so much and related to so completely that I find it really quite difficult, painful almost, to play now. There is something in criticisms of the Magnetic Fields, certainly, but I've never understood the 'unemotional' thing."
-- Tom

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It all just seems so arch.

You have just guaranteed the #1 spot for 69 Love Songs.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost oops

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha that OKComputer blurb was my fourth post to ILM ever, and was quickly followed by me telling mark s to fuck off.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Could the Wu possibly beat MBV?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm rooting for Boyz II Men and Pearl Jam

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahahahaha! But which Pearl Jam live album?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

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― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

# 1

Puff Daddy and the Family - No Way Out

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

WU-TANG CLAN - Enter the 36 Chambers (1132 points, 55 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002WPI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"36 Chambers = dense dank urban paranoia, under-produced, you can hear the joins, the one-take vocals, the bargain-basment drum sounds, the patchy FX. Skits are overlong, subject matter is repetitive (basically, 'we're wu-tang, we're miserable and we're fucking hard, fuck you'). But DESPITE and BECAUSE OF all this it is mercilessly gripping. At least 6 fantastic, distinct personas + styles. Irresistible self-mythologizing attached to nasty grime-laded beats. Essential and possibly life-changing?"
--pete b

"there is something about the way the album seems to emerge screaming from a void,all guns blazing,a mess of sounds and voices that somehow all work beautifully together...

on each verse you can hear the excitement,the sheer power of delivery as one verse runs into/clashed with/continues on from another is amazing,each rapper weaving his verses in and out of the fabric of all the others and the music...

ive seen people say that it was more about what it sounded like when it came out that made it such a big deal,but i disagree...i got into hip hop backwards and was only 10 when 36 chambers came out anyway,but jesus it still has a power or energy or something that few pieces of music have matched...

the mcs may have gone on to refine their flow/lyrics/personas,but hearing them all together before all that really is incredible..."
--robin

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Enter the Wu Tang: 36 chamber, sorry

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so sad History of Our World Pt. 1 didn't make it. :-(

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

No, the Sting album will be #1.

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

When will "Loveless" get some damn justice??

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

hahha

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I was hoping 36 Chambers would get the #1 slot for a minute there. Oh well.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

DES'REE - I Ain't Movin' (1205 points, 61 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://radio.tatou.free.fr/albums/I%20Ain

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

And the #1 album of the 1990s is...

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Billy Idol, Cyberpunk

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

SMART-E'S - Sesame's Treet

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Geto Boys - We Can't Be Stopped (2250 points, 55 votes, 55 first place votes)

― a banana (alanbanana), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

MY BLOODY VALENTINE - Loveless (1563 points, 71 votes, 6 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002LRJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"It's like walking into a blindingly bright room and having the door slam behind you. My initial reaction was, what is this? is this it? I waited for my senses to adjust, tune in, recognise something, adapt to it. It's sensory overload, there's so much sound you can't hear anything; similar to being submerged, it's impossible to work out what water feels like when it's all over you skin. This analogy works, cause when I'm underwater I hear the sounds of my body, blood and pressure in my ears; when I listen to this album REALLY LOUD as you're 'supposed' to, I can feel the music through my body, it's sensuous, almost tactile. But even with the volume jacked up it's hard to distinguish anything, what's vocal, what's guitar, male or female, the tracks are swamped together. There are no edges, everything's blurred and diffused, quite unlike a wall of sound, where you can figure out where it's coming from and position yourself in relation to, this is constantly shifting, without noticable transitions. This is precisely why I like it, the disorientation is so alienating, that I feel the other extreme, intimacy."
--K-reg

"Classic or not that classic? Oh, I *hate* it. Can't imagine *ever* liking it!"
-- Ned Raggett

(that would be Ned being sarcastic)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking britpop.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

well there was only 400 points in it!

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

good list, I think, like the singles one. not MY list, but hey--that's what consensus is about.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

RESULT!

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

There is no consensus!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

quick quiz - is there a single artist over the age of 45? 40? which artist comes closest to American roots music without irony? Sleater-Kinney? PJ Harvey?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe this. Wow.

And to think that voting happened pre-ODB dying.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, get over it. you know what I'm talking about.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

BRAVO GEAR NOW GO ENJOY YOUR BIRTHDAY

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I wasn't serious, Matos. I'm very happy with the poll. Thanks so much Gear!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

[big winky]

haha xpost

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

depends on your definition of american roots music

xpost

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Great job, Gear!

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Gear!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Gosh, Happy Birthday, Gear!

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Gear!

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, thanks gear! this was very entertaining and informative.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Sleater-Kinney have two albums. PJ Harvey has two albums. if your "roots" definition is similar to mine, I'll offer Jeff Buckley, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Neutral Milk Hotel, and R.E.M.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

scott walker is over 45.

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Alba was right. I was saying that I had Mag. Fields at #3 on my personal list that I submitted. I had no idea it would be that high on the final list. I'm pretty fucking glad it did though. That and Wu-Tang are the best upsets ever.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Great job Gear! Are you starting an '80s poll tomorrow, or are we not being chronological? We could go straight to the '60s or '70s. Or '50s!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

bonnie prince billy? xxxxxxxxpost

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Lauryn and OutKast might be stretching it--I'm referring mostly to their use of blues and old R&B, and maybe I'm wrong on that one--but the other three I think definitely apply.

amazing thing I just realized: Fugees' The Score didn't make the list. I'd figure that one for a shoo-in. was it not nominated?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yay gear! and unlike some people way upthread, I thought the comments you chose were great! They were as random as ILM itself.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheers Gear... awesome work.

I have never heard any of the top 3, though I think someone burnt me a copy of the Magnetic Fields once. I will have to dig it out.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I would really like it to be the 50s next.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

NMH are not roots music, Matos, unless your copy of the Anthology of American Folk Music has Os Mutantes and West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band tracks on it.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

ya-ya gear!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Its funny how MBV was so expected at #1 that no one has yet posted a comment on it.

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a shame and a bit suprising that my second rootsy nomination - Mermaid Avenue didn't make the 100.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I hadn't realized Os Mutantes or West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band did story songs about ancient-sounding maladies

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Pulp:'90s (as in racism) as Louis Prima:'50s (for me anyway).

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

amazing thing I just realized: Fugees' The Score didn't make the list. I'd figure that one for a shoo-in. was it not nominated?

I think the Fugees have gone the way of Arrested Development, actually.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

not even close.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Fugees came in at #147, with 143 points and 11 votes

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i voted for the score

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

when was the last time you saw it on a list like this?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Should the trend continue and I'll tackle the 80s (or the 70s) next? or give it a break for a while (wait'l we get through the "best of 2004" threads...?)

― Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

MBV beat Wu-Tang by 431 points. The number 31 album, Super Ae, received 429 points.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think waiting for the new year makes sense. I would prefer we jump around a little rather than just working our way backwards.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

can someone post the whole list?

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

bonnie prince billy? xxxxxxxxpost

irony?

actually, I think P.E. might be the rootsiest act to show

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the first time I haven't seen it on a list like this, Dr. Bill!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

great list ... thanx Gear! must've been loads of work

yeah posting the whole list would be excellent, as well as all of 101-200 and whatnot

― lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to see #101 down till it gets too tied for the tracks list too.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Lets do the '80s first. I don't know enough music of the previous decades to vote.

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that was exciting! I was rooting for the Wu until the very end, but I guess that Loveless thingie is quite much loved on ILM. Before I came to here I hadn't even heard of such an album... I guess it's a generational thing, I was maybe 11 when it came out.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we need a poll for what the next poll should be. Doesn't have to be favourite records of a decade either. I nominate Favourite Soul Drummers for the next one.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Condensed Recap:

100: TLC - CrazySexyCool (213 points, 16 votes)
99: OASIS - Definitely Maybe (218 points, 16 votes)
98: U2 - Achtung Baby (221 points, 16 votes)
97: OMNI TRIO The Deepest Cut Vol. 1 (223 points, 14 votes)
96: BARK PSYCHOSIS - Hex (224 points, 11 votes)
94: UNDERWORLD - Beaucoup Fish (231 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote)
94: WEEZER - Weezer (231 points, 17 votes)
93: LAURYN HILL - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (234 points, 18 votes)
92: THE WEDDING PRESENT - Seamonsters (236 points, 12 votes)
91: NINE INCH NAILS - The Downward Spiral (237 points, 15 votes)
90: SPIRITUALIZED - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space (241 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)
89: THE PRODIGY - Music For the Jilted Generation (244 points, 16 votes)
88: SMASHING PUMPKINS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (249 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)
87: EMINEM - The Slim Shady LP (253 points, 18 votes)
86: THE FLAMING LIPS - The Soft Bulletin (255 points, 18 votes)
85: SLEATER-KINNEY - Call the Doctor (256 points, 13 votes)
84: JEFF BUCKLEY - Grace (258 points, 15 votes)
83: GUIDED BY VOICES - Bee Thousand (260 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote)
82: MORRISSEY - Vauxhall and I (265 points, 18 votes)
81: SLEATER-KINNEY - Dig Me Out (271 points, 12 votes, 3 first place votes)
80: THE KLF - Chill Out (273 points, 15 votes)
79: OUTKAST - Aquemini (277 points, 20 votes)
78: HAPPY MONDAYS - Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches (278 points, 21 votes)
77: GREEN DAY - Dookie (279 points, 18 votes)
76: AUTECHRE - Tri Repetae (280 points, 16 votes, 1 first place vote)
75: PJ HARVEY - Dry (281 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)
74: THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS - Dig Your Own Hole (283 points, 18 votes)
73: ORBITAL - In Sides (284 points, 16 votes)
72: BLUR - Modern Life Is Rubbish (285 points, 14 votes, 3 first place votes)
71: MISSY ELLIOTT - Supa Dupa Fly (288 points, 20 votes)
70: BONNIE "PRINCE" BILLY - I See A Darkness (301 points, 14 votes, 2 first place votes)
69: DESTINY'S CHILD - The Writing's On the Wall (305 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)
68: KELIS - Kaleidoscope (310 points, 18 votes)
67: GRAVEDIGGAZ - 6 Feet Deep (311 points, 18 votes)
66: BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - Tigermilk (313 points, 16 votes, 1 first place vote)
65: PJ HARVEY - To Bring You My Love (320 points, 17 votes)
64: UNDERWORLD - Second Toughest In the Infants (321 points, 14 votes, 2 first place votes)
63: BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - The Boy With the Arab Strap (328 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)
62: TEENAGE FANCLUB - Bandwagonesque (330 points, 21 votes)
61: WEEZER - Pinkerton (332 points, 17 votes)
60: SAINT ETIENNE - Foxbase Alpha (336 points, 18 votes)
59: ELASTICA - Elastica (339 points, 26 votes, 1 first place vote)
58: STEREOLAB - Emperor Tomato Ketchup (341 points, 24 votes)
57: DE LA SOUL - De La Soul Is Dead (342 points, 18 votes)
56: ORBITAL - Orbital 2 (The Brown Album) (344 points, 20 votes)
55: A TRIBE CALLED QUEST - The Low End Theory (345 points, 27 votes)
54: UNDERWORLD - Dubnobasswithmyheadman (347 points, 22 votes)
53: PET SHOP BOYS - Behavior (348 points, 20 votes)
50: DEPECHE MODE - Violator (351 points, 18 votes)
50: BECK - Odelay (351 votes, 22 votes, 1 first place vote)
50: PRIMAL SCREAM - Screamadelica (351 points, 23 votes, 1 first place vote)
49: SNOOP DOGGY DOGG - Doggystyle (354 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)
48: NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (355 points, 17 votes, 2 first place votes)
47: DR. DRE - The Chronic (360 points, 24 votes, 1 first place vote)
46: R.E.M. - Automatic For the People (367 points, 26 votes)
45: THE ORB - The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld (371 points, 20 votes, 1 first place vote)
44: BJORK - Post (373 points, 28 votes)
43: APHEX TWIN - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 (374 points, 25 votes)
42: THE SUNDAYS - Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic (381 points, 18 votes)
41: SMASHING PUMPKINS - Siamese Dream (383 points, 22 votes, 1 first place vote)
40: LIZ PHAIR - Exile In Guyville (384 points, 21 votes)
39: THE PRODIGY - (388 points, 19 votes, 3 first place votes)
38: SAINT ETIENNE - Tiger Bay (389 points, 17 votes, 2 first place votes)
37: RADIOHEAD - The Bends (391 points, 26 votes)
36: SCOTT WALKER - Tilt (393 points, 19 votes, 4 first place votes)
35: PIXIES - Trompe Le Monde (397 points, 21 votes, 1 first place vote)
34: SAINT ETIENNE - So Tough (403 points, 22 votes, 3 first place votes)
33: DISCO INFERNO - D.I. Go Pop (417 points, 19 votes, 2 first place votes)
32: COCTEAU TWINS - Heaven or Las Vegas (428 points, 23 votes)
31: BOREDOMS - Super AE (429 points, 20 votes)
30: MASSIVE ATTACK - Mezzanine (434 points, 29 votes)
29: YO LA TENGO - I Can Hear the Heart Beating As One (438 points, 26 votes, 1 first place vote)
28: BLUR - Parklife (447 points, 29 votes)
27: PET SHOP BOYS - Very (452 points, 21 votes)
26: PULP - His 'n' Hers (522 points, 26 votes)
25: DAFT PUNK - Homework (526 points, 37 votes)
23: AIR - Moon Safari (541 points, 33 votes)
23: GZA/GENIUS - Liquid Swords (541 points, 33 votes)
22: TALK TALK - Laughing Stock (550 points, 24 votes, 2 first place votes)
21: NIRVANA - In Utero (552 points, 29 votes, 1 first place vote)
20: MASSIVE ATTACK - Blue Lines (555 points, 34 votes, 1 first place vote)
19: PAVEMENT - Slanted and Enchanted (591 points, 33 votes, 1 first place vote)
18: NIRVANA - Nevermind (621 points, 33 votes)
17: BJORK - Homogenic (628 points, 31 votes)
16: PAVEMENT - Crooked Rain Crooked Rain (636 points, 34 votes, 1 first place vote)
15: APHEX TWIN - Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 (650 points, 32 votes, 1 first place vote)
14: NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - Ready To Die (693 points, 30 votes, 3 first place votes)
13: BASEMENT JAXX - Remedy (695 points, 37 votes)
12: PORTISHEAD - Dummy (699 points, 41 votes, 2 first place votes)
11: PUBLIC ENEMY - Fear Of A Black Planet (774 points, 36 votes, 4 first place votes)
10: BOARDS OF CANADA - Music Has the Right To Children (780 points, 42 votes, 1 first place vote)
9: BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - If You're Feeling Sinister (810 points, 33 votes, 2 first place votes)
8: NAS - Illmatic (877 points, 38 votes, 3 first place votes)
7: TRICKY - Maxinquaye (896 points, 48 votes, 3 first place votes)
6: DJ SHADOW - Entroducing (943 points, 47 votes, 3 first place votes)
5: RADIOHEAD - OK Computer (947 points, 47 votes, 5 first place votes)
4: PULP - Different Class (1047 points, 54 votes, 5 first place votes)
3: MAGNETIC FIELDS - 69 Love Songs (1095 points, 49 votes, 3 first place votes)
2: WU-TANG CLAN - Enter the 36 Chambers (1132 points, 55 votes, 2 first place votes)
1: MY BLOODY VALENTINE - Loveless (1563 points, 71 votes, 6 first place votes)

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also a legacy of the a.m.a contingent that formed a large part of the initial Freaky Trigger/ILM community.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the first time I haven't seen it on a list like this, Dr. Bill!

If you say so, but aside from mags like Rolling Stone or ones that just have token hip-hop albums, I don't ever see this album showing up anymore.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The top 20 could've been better. I liked the singles list more.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

What's "a.m.a"?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

alt.music.alternative, an early internet newsgroup

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheers, Gear. Could we have the ones bubbling under the top 100 too?

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The only ones of mine that missed out on the 100 were Cuban Linx (I can hardly believe that), Snivilisation by Orbital (another surprise), Extricate by the Fall, Boomania by Betty Boo, Black On Both Sides by Mos Def and Morning Dove White by One Dove. I'm not really surprised by the last four not making it.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

alt.music.alternative
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.music.alternative

It was proto-like ILM particularly in 1997/1998/1999

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ones of mine that missed it:

Fiona Apple - When the Pawn…
Billy Bragg and Wilco – Mermaid Avenue
Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - Barafundle
Mazzy Star - She Hangs Brightly
All Saints - All Saints
The Orb - UF Orb
The Fall - Extricate
The Fall - The Infotainment Scan
Robert Forster – Danger in the Past
Ultramarine - Every Man And Woman Is A Star

Bit surprised that Mazzy Star, Fiona Apple and Billy Bragg & Wilco missed out. And Gorky's, seeing as it was the only one nominated.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised A Guy Called Gerald didn't make it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

How many points did Black Secret Technology get, Gear?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I'm not really surprised about mine, seeing that ILM hates women and ROOTS.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

where's don lennon?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a travesty.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

So I only own one record label t-shirt, and it's a Warp shirt, and I bought the stupid Designers Republic posters for their ten-year-anniversary comp, so I think I'm allowed to say this:

Music Has The Right To Children doesn't belong anywhere NEAR the top ten.

Fucking electronic voting. Should have used paper ballots.

― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I have about one-fourth of the top 100.

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I have over half - 53 of them - so I suppose I can hardly call it a poor list, despite being a little disappointed, if unsurprised, about a few things (like 1, 3, 5 and 9).

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted for The Score (and Mermaid Avenue, and Sleater-Kinney, guess I'm "rootsy")

Yay Wu-Tang!

Can't decide whether the 80s list would be more or less interesting. I think it would be less predictable, which I guess makes it more interesting.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we need a poll for what the next poll should be.

End of year poll is next surely?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

My prediction for the 80s list:

JOHNNY HATES JAZZ - Turn Back The Clock

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Music Has The Right To Children doesn't belong anywhere NEAR the top ten.

The VERY moment I read this sentence, a track from Geogaddi came on ILX Audioscrobbler Radio!!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Music Has The Right To Children is one of the best albums I own, inlcuind all of the Prince and Cure CDs.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(I have no idea how "including" managed to come out "inlcuind".)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Excuse my swearing, it's a wonderful list overall.

― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

17 out of 30 picks of mine made the 100 (and 14 out of the top 20, although no #1.) So I can't complain.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I have 53 of these as well

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"So I can't complain."

Too much anyway.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

teh next ten

101) Boo Radleys - Giant Steps 208 points, 13 votes
102) jay z - vol 3 207 points, 16 votes
103) Julee Cruise - Floating into 204 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote
104) Mercury Rev - Deserters Songs 204 points, 11 votes
105) Pharcyde – Bizarre Ride II 203 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote
106) Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx 199 points, 14 votes
107) fiona apple - when the pawn... 199 points, 11 votes
108) Hole - Live Through This 196 points, 13 votes
109) Autechre - LP5 193 points, 12 votes
110) Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes 191 points, 9 votes

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

more chart fun:

25 of my 30 made the top 100.
Four of my top 10 made the top 10 overall (Shadow, Tricky, Magnetic Fields, Wu-Tang).
My highest ranking shutout was Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages (#14).
The highest charting album I have never heard is His 'n' Hers.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What's 111-120?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

3 albums I voted for made the list

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

111) Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona 190 points, 11 votes
112) OVAL - 94 DISK-ONT 189 points, 15 votes
113) Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I 188 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote
114) Billy Bragg & Wilco - Mermaid Avenue 185 points, 11 votes
115) Stereolab - Dots and Loops 180 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote
116) mercury rev 'yerself is steam' 178 points, 13 votes
117) Saint Etienne - Good Humor 174 points, 8 votes
118) Elliot Smith - Either/Or 174 points, 11 votes
119) Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet 174 points, 10 votes
120) Basic Channel 173 points, 9 votes, 2 first place votes

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, there's a tie in there.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

No love for History of Our World Part 1 apparently.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd better not be the only one who voted for Pisces Iscariot!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice work Gear!

I'm gobsmacked that that Magnetic Fields record is so popular. Didn't notice that phenomenon.

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

185) Smashing Pumpkins - Pisces Iscariot 109 points, 6 votes

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I have three albums in 111-120!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm gobsmacked that that Magnetic Fields record is so popular. Didn't notice that phenomenon.

Yeah, I have to admit, I wouldn't have assumed so, either, from having read ILX in the last couple years.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex to be fair re History of Our World Part 1 it's a devil to find - I've never seen it at all in Australia. I may have voted for it actually (cannae remember) but only because I know almost all the tracks on it.

I own 73 of the top 100, which is the highest proportion I've ever had for one of these polls.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

More useless info...

All the albums on my ballot (except for my #1) made it to the top 100. I only voted for 20 though.

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe we got all talked out about 69LS. There was a lot about it early on ILM.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

more useless info: the highest average for the top 100 was B&S' If You're Feeling Sinister, which had an average rank of 24.5

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Early ILM was a gigantic game of soggy biscuit where 69 Love Songs was the biscuit.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it's almost like everyone voted for it.

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The ones of mine that didn't make it:
The Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
The Delgados – Peloton
Manic Street Preachers – The Holy Bible
Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic
Kenickie - At The Club
The Lemonheads – It’s A Shame About Ray
Ride - Going Blank Again
Super Furry Animals – Guerilla
One Dove - Morning Dove White

I would like to have thought the Holy Bible might have hit the lower end given that it was so high up last time one of these polls was around. I'm disappointed (but not entirely surprised) at the lack of SFA and Boo Radleys. The rest, meh.

(xpost, down to 120 and still only Giant Steps can be taken off my list)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

so matos, I voted for The Score, obv. one of the few

my list actually either came in way low or fell of the polls entirely

ah well

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dots and Loops" is ILM's 2nd favourite Stereolab record?
Only 14 of my 30 made it to the top 100 (15 in the top 120), as opposed to 18 of my 30 singles. Which is strange ... originally, I would have thought that my albums list was more in line with the consensus. But on second thought, I picked consensus bands, but not consensus albums.

Now it's time to start working on own top 100's!!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Alex to be fair re History of Our World Part 1 it's a devil to find - I've never seen it at all in Australia. I may have voted for it actually (cannae remember) but only because I know almost all the tracks on it."

Yeah, I was thinking that might be it too. It's why I didn't nominate any other hardcore/jungle CDs. So little consistency with what was released across the world.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

You know you want to.

Thread where we post our top 100s of the 90s

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. I'm never sure which the favourite Stereolab album is.
-- Alba (albab...), November 19th, 2004 9:02 PM.
i'd guess either etk or trnbwa (ie. those are my two fave); etk's the biggest 'hit' right?
-- cinniblount (littlejohnnyjewe...), November 19th, 2004 9:02 PM.

I thought it was out of etk, trnbwa and d&l. This is not as a big fan - just going by other people's raves.
-- Alba (albab...), November 19th, 2004 9:06 PM. (later)
ETK and TRNBWA are probably the albums most loved by critics, with ETK getting the edge only because more people were paying attention to them by that point.
-- Sanjay McDougal (jmcunnin...), November 19th, 2004 9:06 PM. (later)
Yeah, ETK's the biggest "hit", the hardcore fanbase pick is usual "TRNBWA", and my favourite is "Mars Audiac Quintet" so :P to all of you.
-- MindInRewind (brune...), November 19th, 2004 9:06 PM. (later)
D&L never gets any love! (Except from me and Josh Kortbein.)
-- Sanjay McDougal (jmcunnin...), November 19th, 2004 9:07 PM. (later)
I've obviously been reading the wrong things!

-- Alba (albab...), November 19th, 2004 9:09 PM

Wrong things = ILM. I know you lot too well.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

22 of my 30 made it into the top 100, and 2 more were in the bubbling under section. My highest vote not to chart was The Telescopes (my number 3), which I'm not at all surprised about, and after that Ride - Nowhere.

I thought I owned lots of the top 100, but when I actually looked into it I don't. I really own (as in went out and bought it myself) just 8 of them, and I've taped or burned another 26 of them. I've never heard of Nas, and I'd never heard of the Magnetic Fields until the nominations thread for this poll.

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So now what Gear has to do is the reverse chart: score the people who voted points for the albums that they voted for. So if you voted for Loveless #1, you get 20 point, #2 you get 19 etc. That way we will know who was RIGHT.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim I MUST burn you History

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Any time baby. I'll trade you for that Grooverider mix if you don't have it. Or the Fantazia takes you into the jungle ones?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got back from the pub - pleased to see that I actually like the top 3! Only half of my choices made it, though. And my number 1, The Boatman's Call didn't show up in the top 120! Neither did my singles numver 1. I agree with Martin that the lack of Betty Boo is appalling.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

To me it just screams WE'RE ELECTORNIC MUSIC BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCEPTUAL AND SLIGHTLY BORING SO TAKE US SERIOUSLY

I nominate Electornic music as NEXT BIG THING for 2005!

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

lack of Betty Boo on 90s ingles tracks is understndable mebbe but not on the albums trax. if i'm wrong plz explain

― H (Heruy), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone else vote for Reactivate 10: Snappy Cracklebop Techno (my #1) or Ultramarine Every Man & Woman Is A Star (my #2)?

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh. I think 19 of mine made it? Disappointing. 71 people really think MBV is that great?

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I think they are better than Radiohead.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Grr.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks a lot for the poll, Gear!

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

mike t-diva we MUST talk.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ultramarine would be top 10 for me if I had actually, you know, voted.

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with the top ten or so but NO GIANT STEPS WTF?!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS THE BEST ALBUM OF THE 90S BY A COUNTRY MILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, Giant Steps missing it was just hurtful

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

As long as we're confessing our secrets, here's one of mine: I've never heard a Pavement album. I couldn't hum a Pavement song right now if you asked me to.
Don't worry you didn't miss much other then a song about getting your hair cut. Oh, and a song where he ponders about Geddy Lee. Otherwise they've milked The Fall for 15 years and counting.

You need a punch in the nose.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

To me it just screams WE'RE ELECTORNIC MUSIC BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCEPTUAL AND SLIGHTLY BORING SO TAKE US SERIOUSLY

uhm, no fucking way!! for all the talking about dance music that ilm does, it was woefully missing from this poll.

at least lp5 (not dance music i know) and basic channel (WOO!) were in the top 120 for fuxx sake.

also, where is the drum n bass??? the boymerang album. torque??? the music box comp? reprazent???? ffs people. i fucking love omni trio, but it is so the rockist choice. david bowie record to thread please.

ok so i'm drunk.

omg no jeff mills!!

― it's tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

You didn't vote, Chaz, so you can't really complain. Those of us who did vote for it, however, can. It's a definite WTF omission.

Anybody else surprised by the lack of shoegaze on the list in general, especially considering the #1?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

m83 was on it bill.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was surprised with the lack of shoegaze. I would of thought that either Nowhere or Souvlaki would of made an appearance. When will Super Furry Animals ever get their due? But I’m new so just an outsider looking in at the moment. Wish I were around because I would have voted Giant Steps as my #1.

― BeeOK (BeeOK), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, looking at my ballot I just realized Around the House didn't make it. boo.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

No, M83 was on the 00's poll.
Anybody else surprised by the lack of shoegaze on the list in general, especially considering the #1?
Shoegaze *and* post-rock were nowhere. "Alison" placed on the tracks poll, but "Souvlaki" didn't place on the albums poll -- huh?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

When will Super Furry Animals ever get their due?

Vote-splitters. Even I'm not sure which one is my favorite.

Shoegaze *and* post-rock were nowhere. "Alison" placed on the tracks poll, but "Souvlaki" didn't place on the albums poll -- huh?

Yeah, that's kind of bizarre. I was almost certain Souvlaki would place, and high--seems like everyone who hears that album falls in love with it. And I'm really surprised that Oval album didn't place--I counted 10 votes for it on the exit polls alone.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't the #1 album kind of work against the claim that shoegaze was nowhere?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that's sort of a given, and it makes it all the more surprising that no other shoegaze placed.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess the Pumpkins don't count, huh?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(I don't know if I've actually heard another shoegaze album, not counting Isn't Anything.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW if it's not too much trouble, how did Sonny Sharrock place? Did Sainkho Namtchylak get more than two votes?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, I'm only up to reading #88, but thus far, this is like every record ILMers would be embarrassed to admit they ever liked -- I mean, seriously, LAUREN HILL? NINE INCH NAILS? What fucking gives? I mean, why not Sarah McLachlan or Spin Doctors? If The Doggfather comes up anywhere on this list, I'm gonna be fucking pissed!

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And more importantly, why Lauryn Hill over The Score?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

That said, "TWATTYBUS" just about made my day.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Fumbling Towards Ecstasy is pretty damn good.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"indie rock karaoke"

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, why not Sarah McLachlan or Spin Doctors?

Hey, I would have voted fot the Spin Doctors if they had been nominated. (or, if they were nominated, if I had noticed).

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Best sequence thus far:

(When will people realize that _Adore_ is actually the best overall Pumpkins album?)

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), November 22nd, 2004. (later)
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(When will Ron Artest jump into the stands and beat up Billy Corgan?)

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), November 22nd, 2004. (later)

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"True story: a friend of mine, with loads of music, had his house robbed a couple of years ago. They took, among other things, all but one of his CDs. They left Tilt. I'm not sure what this proves."

Also a true story: my car was broken into about 10 years ago. They stole my CD wallet and my Discman, which had a broken 'open' button, making it extremely difficult to remove the disc inside. Yet they still managed to yank out Pet Sounds and leave it on the seat. I'm pretty sure what that proves, loathe as I am to admit it.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They already own a copy?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmmmm, no.

Ministry's 34 votes = all the members of pigface?

Yeah, wtf!! MINISTRY?

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, wait, that was a joke. Ha.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, how much collective dust have our copies of Dummy collected since, oh, 1997 or so? These are the things I wonder about...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, I'm gonna say it: if 69 Love Songs is titled Three Discs of Music For My Willie, it doesn't crack 50.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

when is the recount? everyone i know on here voted for 'eva luna' as number one. but then i don't know anyone on here.

― keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I almost made a camp granada joke, earlier on. I am glad I didn't.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking britpop.

-- Alba (albab...) (webmail), November 23rd, 2004 5:09 PM. (Alba) (later) (link)

― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"also, where is the drum n bass??? the boymerang album. torque??? the music box comp? reprazent???? ffs people. i fucking love omni trio, but it is so the rockist choice."

?????????????????? Explain plz.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i have 58 of these, and had a further 3 but sold them

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, I'm only up to reading #88, but thus far, this is like every record ILMers would be embarrassed to admit they ever liked -- I mean, seriously, LAUREN HILL? NINE INCH NAILS? What fucking gives? I mean, why not Sarah McLachlan or Spin Doctors?
The thought that ILM is a place where people would be embarrassed about liking Lauryn Hill is itself an embarrassment.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't read the whole thread but I don't mind having 'She Hangs Brightly' all to myself

― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"also, where is the drum n bass??? the boymerang album. torque??? the music box comp? reprazent???? ffs people. i fucking love omni trio, but it is so the rockist choice."
?????????????????? Explain plz.

i think he meant that everyone picking Omni Trio over later dnb albums is being a bit precious about the idea that it's the better record because of the time in which it was made, the purity and rawness of it and those times. choosing 'The Deepest Cut' is to choose 1993 and the exciting maelstrom that was the rave scene's fragmentation and the worthiness of it all, never mind that 'Timeless', 'New Forms', 'Balance Of The Force', 'Exorcise The Demons' and other albums are stronger and more advanced sonically (tho not necessarily 'better listens' i grant thee).

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

How come any band that didn't appear with Multiple albums is referred to as a "vote splitter", and then there's... St Etienne?

― 3underscore (___), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

they're more accessible than Stereolab?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Because people really really like them, however much you disagree.

If it makes you feel any better, even if you sum votes, they'd have missed 3rd place (but only by 4 points)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Contrary to popular belief, I don't disagree! I quite like St. Etienne, I just can't see how if one band gets three albums in the top 100, and four in the top 120, that any other band is assumed to have split the vote. More, people don't like it as much as you would believe.

― 3underscore (___), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

post-rock were nowhere

Disco Inferno at #33 is hardly nowhere. Plus Talk Talk and MBV in the top twenty, who were both post-rock before the term was invented.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

get over yourself

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Somehow I knew latebloomer would be in here with the smackdown on that one.

― It's hard to kill a horse with a flute (AaronHz), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

personally i am very pleased with the # one and two results..

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

To me, the biggest omission from the list is Ice Cube's "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted", I was really surprised it didn't even make the top 100 (nor the top 120, apparently). To me the three best rap albums of the nineties weren't "36 Chambers", "Illmatic", and "Ready to Die" (as much as I like them), but "Aquemini", "6 Feet Deep" and "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted", and though I didn't expect any of them to make it to the top 10, I was surprised how low they scored. Especially with Aquemini, which I've always thought is the Outkast album most loved by ILM.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean who could've predicted No Doubt's Tragic Kingdom ending up at # 2 and Sublime's S/T album at # 1?

x-post

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And THREE, count em, THREE albums by Live?! Aw shucks.

― It's hard to kill a horse with a flute (AaronHz), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I still can't fathom the popularity of 69 love songs - I listened to it all (after buying the sodding thing) and enjoyed approximately 32 seconds of it. It's the only CD I've ever parted with without batting an eyelid. It doesn't help that the only time I've been in teh same room with Merritt( that I know of) he was an arrogant, stuck-up tosser as well I suppose (mind you that was after I wasted however minutes of my life listening to his masterpiece.)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I still can't fathom the popularity of 69 love songs - I listened to it all (after buying the sodding thing) and enjoyed approximately 32 seconds of it

That was punk rock love, wasn't it?

― 3underscore (___), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

THIRD EYE BLIND at #10! THERE IS JUSTICE IN THE WORLD!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

And how Candlebox, Collective Soul and Bush beat those poseur wannabes Nirvana, that was great. Plus, a strong showing for The Wallflowers and Hootie.

― It's hard to kill a horse with a flute (AaronHz), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally! WE HAVE WON MY FRIEND, WE HAVE WON.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I spend at least 80% of my listening time listening to jazz so I'm surprised to realise I actually own 58 of these (including 24 of the top 25, Magnetic Fields being the exception). I also have some greatest hits or similar that include bits of albums I don't own, eg by St Etienne or Depeche Mode. Helps reduce my suspicion that I would like modern pop music more if I heard more of the good stuff.

― frankiemachine, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"I spend at least 80% of my listening time listening to jazz..."

http://www.comicstatues.com/TransformerStatues/images/frontpage_jazz.jpg

he gives good advice, you are a smart person frankiemachine.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Good to see The Soup Dragons crack the top 10

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

woah, flashback

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The lack of Family Cat is a disgrace.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to mention MC Skat Kat.

― It's hard to kill a horse with a flute (AaronHz), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

What, no Eat? Jesus Jones? EMF???

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned's Atomic Dustbin and the Wonderstuff were ROBBED

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

by Pete Doherty

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

No room for "F#A# (Infinity Symbol)" or "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road"? Not even for "Dog Man Star"?

― David Barker (dpjb), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

get over yourself

What, latebloomer? Still upset that Lauryn didn't deliver MTV Unplugged No. 2.0 in time for this list?

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

he gives good advice, you are a smart person frankiemachine.

the joke's lost on me, latebloomer, I have no idea what/who that is -probably just a sign that my (lack of) awareness of pop culture references is as far from the ilm norm as my musical taste

― frankiemachine, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

this list has 49 albums in common with the pitchfork list.

maybe.

just so y'all know.

― j c (j c), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

this was the biggest surprise for me, by the way. Maybe people missed it because it was 2pac and not Tupac? I dunno.

All Eyez On Me - 42 points, 3 votes

Or maybe he's not in the canon anymore.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you say where A Guy Called Gerald placed, Gear?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

153 points, 8 votes for A Guy Called Gerald

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

:( Maybe it'll get more love once the reissue comes out next year.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

so just how small was the proportion of ILX which voted for Madonna, Spice Girls and Tori Amos?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

WARRANT WERE ROBBED!!

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Madonna - Erotica 170 points, 7 votes

Tori Amos – Songs From the Choirgirl Hotel 112 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote

Spice Girls Spice 127 points, 10 votes

also

DJ DB - A History of Our World Vol. 1: Breakbeat 130 points, 5 votes, 2 first place votes

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you post the full list?
Was the full list for the tracks poll ever posted?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

never was. I plan on getting to that.

I will give you the bottom vote getter, out of those that received votes, and that would be Impossible Princess by Kylie Minogue, 1 point, 1 vote. From me of course.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha was Matos the other first-placer for "History", Gear?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

you know it!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Spice Girls Spice 127 points, 10 votes

and ILM was meant to be a pop haven, etc

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

my votes, btw:

Underworld - 2nd toughest 40
U2 - Achtung Baby 36
Saint Etienne - Good Humor 32
Yo La Tengo - I can hear the heart 29
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep 27
Wu-Tang - 36 Chambers 25
Pet Shop Boys - Very 24
Neutral Milk Hotel - Aeroplane 23
Boredoms - Super AE 22
Saint Etienne - Tiger Bay 21
GZA - Liquid Swords 20
Orbital - Brown Album 19
Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out 18
Bjork - Homogenic 17
Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs 16
Massive Attack - Blue Lines 15
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet 14
R.E.M. - New Adventures 13
Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister 12
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - The Boatman's Call 11
Portishead - Dummy 10
Primal Scream - Vanishing Point 9
Billy Bragg and Wilco - Mermaid Ave 8
Tricky - Maxinquaye 7
Stereolab - Dots and Loops 6
Amon Tobin - Permutation 5
Underworld - Beaucoup Fish 4
Saint Etienne - So Tough 3
Underworld - Dubnobasswithmyheadman 2
Kylie Minogue - Impossible Princess 1

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor Manuelle's A Pesar de Todo really is very good.

― LaRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

No Londonbeat?

― Lil Bit, Monday, 29 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

WARRANT WERE ROBBED!!

the irony is that Warrant actually got more votes then they should have. I had it on order when I had to do the ballot and put it where an album that was almost as good as Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich was. I wouldn't have even voted for Cherry Pie had I heard it before hand.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 29 November 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Another ILM vote where the final result was spiff without me having to even vote for it. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i like gear's list

― todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Gear, What's the score for African Head CHarge and Stereo MCs?

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

No mention of The Fragile by NIN? Your list is crap.

― Bobby Price, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

I just spent a lot of time when I was supposed to be working reading this thread and I loved every minute of it Friday, October 27, 2006.

― john w. hoppin (john hoppin), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Suede are the Godfathers of hiphop, sort of.

this statement fills me with wonderment and delight

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

#21
NIRVANA - In Utero (552 points, 29 votes, 1 first place vote)

Genius.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 5 February 2007 07:12 (eighteen years ago)

omg i was doing transformers jokes even 3 years ago LIFE WHERE HAVE U GONE?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 5 February 2007 07:28 (eighteen years ago)

'milk it' is about the 10th best track on the record

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

Condensed Recap:

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 22:41 (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 30 November 2009 14:48 (sixteen years ago)

I'll go out on a limb and say the 80s one is more interesting so far. Even though I think I voted in this one.

― Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 30 November 2009 18:19 (sixteen years ago)

seems like there were a lot more voters back then

― iatee, Monday, 30 November 2009 18:21 (sixteen years ago)

I honestly do not remember if I voted or not in this.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 30 November 2009 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

gravediggaz!

― psychgawsple, Monday, 30 November 2009 18:25 (sixteen years ago)

I didn't recall this list being so awesome, but yeah.. AWESOME. 3 underworld albums?!?!? amazing.

― billstevejim, Monday, 30 November 2009 18:50 (sixteen years ago)

yes! I wish Beacoup Fish was higher on the list, though.

― Dan S, Monday, 30 November 2009 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

Didn't vote in this, and don't know if I could have pushed A Tribe Called Quest's Midnight Marauders, D'Angelo's Brown Sugar, The Legendary Jim Ruiz Group's Oh Brother Where Art Thou?, or Unrest's Imperial f.f.r.r.or into the Top 100 anyway. Maybe LL Cool J's Mama Said Knock You Out?

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 30 November 2009 19:52 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

i would like to run an alternative 90's poll, with a radical and experimental new voting system

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)

A voting system in which only Mansun are eligible?

― emil.y, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:14 (fifteen years ago)

Hahaha, no, a system where:

-Everyone has 200 points to spend how they will
-One album must get more points than any other (no tied winners)
-I'm counting, so don't cheat

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)

I think that system would work way better than current ILX polling systems, and would increase the chances of real niche surprises emerging at the behest of people who love them enough

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

go back to Russia

― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)

I dunno, though, 200 points is a lot. Not sure about the 90s, but I could see myself in a different poll just chucking all 200 at the Art Bears in a fit of petulance that nobody else likes them. Or worse, someone could purposefully pick the worst album they could think of and give them 200 points. If everyone else is picking 20+ records, it would be all too easy to skew for kicks.

― emil.y, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)

But that's the beauty of it! It's their prerogative! I'd expect the bar for results to be well over 200 points so it'd take an obvious and easily-quenchable block-voting campaign to get some novelty record into the list. The actual number of points doesn't matter if everyone has the same, but 200 sounded nice to me. My own ballot would heave quite a lot of points Cardiacs-wards, but I'd still leave 100 or so over for other stuff. For something like Art Bears you'd do worse than give 'em 100 points and hope someone else gets the right idea. If they don't, then it doesn't deserve to be in the poll, does it? Yeah, I know it does, but it doesn't. I feel your pain.

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:32 (fifteen years ago)

Anyway, an alt-90's poll seems a good way to trial the method, at least. As long as everyone doesn't start voting for Ocean Colour Scene.

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

Just for fun...how about everyone gets 200 MILLION points?

― ^^potentially not true at all, sry^^ (Z S), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

but you can only allocate a maximum of 50 points to any single album.

― ^^potentially not true at all, sry^^ (Z S), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

Well, I'd be up for an alternative '90s poll, and it's not like it matters if we get strange results, so... go for it.

― emil.y, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:37 (fifteen years ago)

hahahaha but some jerk's gonna make my life hell, all voting for seven thousand different albums and giving Superunknown like 13,508,443 points and making it all add up to 200,000,003 and then being all 'NAHHHH GOTCHA' when I don't bother to add it up plus I do have like a degree to finish

lol zackly, Z S

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Friday, 26 February 2010 16:38 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Fucking excellent #1 album... agree wholeheartedly.

― kelpolaris, Friday, 9 April 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)

hey NRQ you can stop doing that now

― forgive me fada (acoleuthic), Friday, 9 April 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

was there ever a songs poll?

― how's life, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 14:37 (twelve years ago)

Wait, this isn't even the 90s poll I thought it was. wtf.

― how's life, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 14:40 (twelve years ago)

three years pass...

what's the statute of limitations on these decade polls? i'm curious what it'd look like if we ran this today with a decade+ more distance from the source. do we really still like Pulp this much as a community?

― ciderpress, Sunday, 25 September 2016 02:30 (nine years ago)

imago did an alternative 90s poll iirc after this

― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 25 September 2016 02:39 (nine years ago)

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THE 1990s POLL RESULTS - THE ALBUMS