TS: Thom Yorke vs. Chris Martin

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Radiohead vs Qotsa ..thats the competetion in my head

I think Chris is.

Which is better? Who knows.

Besides, Chris Martin seems like a po-faced bore. Thom is pretty goofy.

Besides, Chris Martin seems like a po-faced bore. Thom is pretty goofy.

P.S. Where the fuck is the levity in Coldplay music/lyrics, anyway?

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He's poisonous. He's utterly banal.

THAT'S RIGHT!

Something that has already been invented doesn't need reinvention. What already exists and works perfectly should still be used for more.

OTM. Coldplay has always been harmless/ignorable at worst and pleasant at best. Thom still wins of course, but how can someone really hate Coldplay? If you say you do, you are lying. How about that, eh?

Geir: Interesting point re:songform... However, would you agree that any given form over time will lose its viability for original creative exploitation as the most succesful permuatations are expended (ie- it gets harder to make something both good and original without changing the template- all the 4 chord patterns and simple melodies have been taken- wondeful as they are). Hence those who keep mining the same template get lucky on ever less frequent occasions...

Are you kidding?

Theoretically, you are right. But that moment has yet to arrive for hundreds of years still, as evidenced by all those brilliant songs bands like Coldplay has brought the world lately - songs that may stylistically sound like songs that have been written in the past, but which still contain competely new brilliant melodies with new hooks that were not written before.

Also- as a man who apparently likes melodic complexity, I don't really get that with Coldplay- catchy yes, but not surprising.. not intricate, and thats down to the predictable 4 chord loops they build their songs on...

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soo OTM. so i'll go with Martin. I mean, I hate top 40 radio as much as the rest of you, but if I have to hear it in a car I want to hear something written with heart + sincerity.

but it's tough to snub Thom Yorke. what an evil question.

But honestly- music with heart + sincerity? Well I agree in principle, but what definition of heart and sincerity- not Chris Martin's! Thom Yorke tho a miserable bugger puts more heart into his work I think (i don't really like radiohead anymore, i have to say, but all the same...).

Compare: Radiohead interviews where they're kind of shady about influences and then pull out some vaguely krautrockish manuevers VS. Coldplay's "WOO, KRAFTWERK!" song that exists despite the band making ridiculous claims ("Kraftwerk are like the original Gorillaz since no one knows what they look like" leads me to believe Martin never saw an album cover).

Melissa, I think Creed's been superseded by Nickelback as the "rock band" of choice of adult contemporary radio.

Yellow: I-V sus4add6-IV major7-I

Clocks: I-v-v-ii

Fix You: I-iii add6-vi-V sus4

Speed of Sound: I-v-v-IV

Talk: IV-IV-vi-I

The Scientist: iv minor7-IV-I-I sus

one thing that's interesting is that:

Yellow, In My Place, The Scientist, Speed of Sound, Fix You, and Talk (basically every hit of theirs besides clocks) ALL have choruses which begin on the four chord.

More than anything Coldplay could be accused of copying themselves, but I don't think their chord progressions could be accurately described as "3rd hand" or cliched

You mean "Computer Love"?

The beginning on the fourth chord, (or turning the last chord of the verse into the beginning of the chorus) trick is to save time having to think of some more chords! Its pure laziness... all those plodding 4 chord progressions, or reaching towards obvious resolution... its utterly utterly moribund.

Maybe they should switch bands.

Also, I think Talk has an original chord progression, just the riff is taken from kraftwerk.

Talk takes its chords directly from the synthbass on the original...

I lioke what Radiohead attempt to be even if I haven't liked their actual music from Amnesiac onwards... (too half arsed, not weird enough, not angry enough) and their fans are cunts, tis true, actually walked outof the last one of their gigs i went to cos the fans were pissing me off too much...

Coldplay are extremely conventional, on their last album Martin is frequently flat especially on his falsetto, and their lyrics are bilge to an incredible, risible degree. Guitarwise they exist entirely within a U2 / Bunnymen matrix. Dull dull dull, achingly, bedwettingly, prematurely ejaculatingly, flacidly dull. I know rubbishing them is almost as dull, but just cos they're an easy target doesn't mean they're not a perfectly valid one.

(Um, not that there isn't definitely a cunt contingent.)

A verse or a chorus may build on a 4 chord loop, but if the rest of the song does not (like the bridge, for instance, most of their songs have a somewhat contrasting bridge, which is also a sign that they know something about classic quality songwriting) build on the same 4 chords, then the entire song isn't based on a 4 chord loop even if part of it is.

Interestingly, though, the most harmonically repetitive Coldplay songs often tend to be rhythmically "interesting", which is why a lot of ILM'ers not very into Coldplay may pick exactly those songs as their favourite ("Clocks", for instance, which IMO is among their weakest and most repetitive songs)

ah, mr. snrub. you appear with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season.

Okay, so I never thought I'd see a Moonraker quote on here...

i am clearly lurking on alternate-universe ILM today.

You belong with me
Not swallowed in the sea
Yeah, you belong with me
Not swallowed in the sea

Mmmyes, well, I'm touched.

I don't listen to lyrics much, so I had no idea they were *that* bad. Jesus.

I am aware of this, but that doesn't mean it's a valid reason to dislike something. Just ignore it. Reminds me of high school and kids who "just think ugliness is like, really beautiful in a way, you know?"

Especially since they broke up and released their last album five years ago.

Ah, there's the rub. They are harmless, since U2 IS THE MOST POWERFUL BAND IN THE WORLD AND WILL NEVER BE STOPPED OR REPLACED AS THE SOUNDTRACK TO NEO-LIBERAL KAPITAL!!!!!! You don't need a bench if your starters are invincible AND immortal.

(the latter, obviously, being coldplay)

xpost to myself. Him.

And Fran Healy beats him. Thom Yorke was better around 1997 though.

I mean I'm not keen on Yorke, but that still expresses only 2% of the absolute sheer nastiness horror that is this video.

"So you like to buy your clothes from third-world child labor shops. Do you think the Chinese or the Japanese are better?"

Thom Yorke is a musical genius who treats music as an art form. Radiohead are more talented, more intelligent, more political, more introspective and deserve to be called artists. Chris Martin is not an artist. He's a corporate tool who writes repetitive, bland, shallow and emo lyrics and sounds like he's being emasculated when he sings. How can you say he's genuine when he writes lyrics like "for you i bleed myself dry?" i mean come on people. Coldplay are no better than Simple Plan. Chris Martin may say all the right things- "war is bad"; get the fuck up and do something about it! Radiohead do. But this man is a total airhead and he's completely controlled by other people. Coldplay readily admit that they model themselves after Radiohead and steal their ideas. Without Radiohead there would be no Coldplay; just listen to The Bends and OK Computer. Chris Martin publicly admires Thom Yorke and Yorke has said he thinks Martin sucks and wants nothing to do with his band. Surprised?

Don't get me wrong, everyone should listen to whatever music they want and create whatever music they want but we're talking about who the better artist is, not who has the more clever marketing techniques or who was born with the prettier face. There's no room for argument here. No one is comparing Limp Bizkit to The Beatles, right?

I wrote about this at length on my blog if you want to read it:
http://utopiandrive.blogspot.com/2006/04/radiohead-vs-coldplay.html

I haven't read anything on ILM so bold since first coming upon Geir's posts.

Radiohead are (arguably) only beginning to show signs of their creative powers dimming a bit on their sixth.

Shouldn't this thread really be Coldplay vs. Travis anyways?

You're so less-than-one-hour ago.

That is exactly what is great about Coldplay. Those of us who love them get more of what we love each time around.

Just that they started off nice boys & I expected them to simply get more "mature" & ignorable, rather than actively irritating.

Still a poor choice of words though.

nailed it. coldplay are the musical equivalent of eating successively bigger and bigger bags of orange circus peanuts.

(um...not meant as a compliment)

P.S. Chris Martin is really hot and Tom Yorke has that weird eye thing. So more points for Chris!

Well, if that's the way they were thinking, then blame Travis rather than Coldplay:

1. "The Man Who" sounded a lot more like a more catchy and radio-friendly Radiohead than any Coldplay album has ever done

2. By the time Coldplay broke through, Radiohead had already finished recording "OK Computer".

this is a beautiful sentence.

No, they are a classic melodic pop band, based partly on the style of Radiohead.

Still a great band though.

Considering I love ELO/Klaatu/Supertramp/Queen/Alan Parsons I wouldn't necessarily disagree. However, they would use the last part of their "cred" with some indie audiences now seeing them as sort of an indie hope (although most of that crowd has probably moved on to Franz Ferdinand/Bloc Party/Maximo Park/Arctic Monkeys by now)

I love them the way they are anyway. As long as they keep the focus on writing great classic pop songs, they cannot fail, regardless of production/arrangements.

Radiohead is comparable to the top bands that have existed since the advent of rock period - whether you like them or Thom Yorke or not...

Yorke and his band simply clobber Coldplay on albums and completely massacre them head to head live... seriously start comparing bands who should be compared. they are simply not in the same league period...

I am dissappointed though cause when Parachutes came out I was thinking Coldplay could become something good and a band to look out for, I promoted them to everyone, but since then I have gone from not enjoying them to now finding them rather annoying.... I do still toss on parachute and enjoy it here and there... and wish they had built on that start... it was actually a very good first album for a band. but it didn`t persist after...

Yorke`s creativity is arguably comparable to Barrett, Waters, Lennon and the likes... Martin is nowhere near that.. and never will be - but I hope I am wrong there and at some point he starts to write well thought out material cause perhaps he has it in him. (most of the Colplay fans probably won`t know who Barrett is so do some reading on it...)

And to the person who made the comment about Ok Computer being a so-so album... you do realize that is like saying Abbey Road or Sgt Pepper are just ok albums... I am not a big fan of music critics but when they all collectively say it is one of the best albums ever put on wax then you have to put aside your biases and realize it is just a top rate album... Colplay is nowhere - I mean NOWHERE near producing that kind of music.

Oh right, this was about Yorke vs Martin - No comparison that way either from voice to charisma to writing ability... Yorke is way superior (and to the folks who comment on his lazy eye and strange look - write another review here in 10 yrs when you are out of high school please). In terms of giving themselves fully in emotion to music, those who say Yorke doesn`t do that have not seem him live period or even seen a live performance on dvd (or just plain don`t like him or don`t know anything about true artists period)... I have seen the likes of bb king, buddy guy, elton john, billy joel, eddy vedder etc - top caliber artists renown for the ability to move an audience live, and Yorke`s intensity and stonghold on an audience live is like no other... go see him live and then write a review.

But hey if you like little love balads and top 40 music then yes stick to Coldplay and Nickelback and the likes.... but don`t confuse emotion with writing a love song... or emotion with waving your darn left arm over your head during half the songs you sing on stage to show intense you are - duh!

Shame about his spelling though.

and better yet, before you made a judgement on why he did what he did with the bus thing - if the story is true to begin with - you did of course interview him after he got off the bus to find out his true reasons for taking that particular bus right? (is he just used to taking that particular bus? Does he have a bus pass he bought with that particular bus company ? being an enviromentalist does he know that bus is renown for better fuel consumption?) Do enlight us with what he answered exactly when you yourself decided not to be lazy and instead hopped off the bus to ask him about his reasons for his choice yourself so you could make an informed judgement on his decision. And please don`t reply you never bothered to do so and are just boring us with your speculation and general dislike of the guy..

That's a duck.

To my mind this couldn't be last true. His horrendous, piercing, glass-scaping, there-every-other-note falsetto is so abysmal yet omnipresent in the British popular media that I would say ignorable is one word that wouldn't describe them.

To my mind this couldn't be less true. His horrendous, piercing, glass-scaping, there-every-other-note falsetto is so abysmal yet omnipresent in the British popular media that I would say ignorable is one word that wouldn't describe them.

Piper at the Gates of Dawn (first Floyd album) is all his doing aside from one Waters song.

Barrett (maybe partly cause he burnt out too early...but mostly based on merrit for what he wrote) is still viewed as one of the most creative writers ever. (he is also the main character the Wall movie is based on, the wish you were here album is mostly about him `shine on you crazy diamond` well he is the crazy diamond - etc...) Waters and Gilmour still talk openly about him and his impact.

anyways ,off topic but just answering your question caek. Syd makes for an interesting read no doubt - some very weird things happened with he was around - do take time to read about him. and get Piper at the Gates of Dawn - it is way out there in terms of sound but actually very creative and just grows on you...

about the comment above on sgt pepper - not at all saying it is one of my favorite albums and I do think some songs are weaker than others on it (and yes I generally skip through the title track cause it is weak)but hey it has gone down in history as a great impactful album and that is what it is... (interestingly enough the beatles were hanging with syd barrett somewhat when they were writing that album - I tend to think there was some influence there in terms of the vast number of sounds they dropped into the album). apparently Lennon was asking Syd to record with him but syd lost his mind before it happened, and McCartney loved to drop in to see floyd record (they were both at abbey road then) and he thought they were the next big thing mainly cause of syd`s creativity.

I also agree on the comment that pet sounds is an amazing album.

but anways we are way off topic, the point I still want to make is that Ok Computer is definately in the zone of great albums that will remain timeless, Chris Martin has not written anything (yet anyways) that will do that... check back in 10 yrs and see...

http://www.sydbarrett.net/welcome.htm

this is one of a number of sites about the guy - not saying this is the best site but gives some good insight into the character...

People have to like any bands that dabble in any style they claim to like? On what planet does that make sense?

This is false. There's no basis for saying that most choruses start on I. Plenty of choruses start on vi or IV anything else. Even if Coldplay tended, over their entire catalogue, to start choruses on IV that would be neither novel nor interesting.

There is no comparison between Yorke and Martin or between their two bands. Radiohead's music is better developed and more interesting in every respect.

Oh, shut the fuck up!

On what planet does that make sense?

On no planet does that make sense.

...`Fuck Radiohead! No pretty boys hiding behind sampled music here. Cold Play got it right. Like I said: 'The truth is a hard message to hear!" With instant classics such as "Sparks" and the pro-oriental anthem "Yellow", Cold Play is well on their way. As for England, who's past musical contributions - excluding U2 - have been marginal at best, my hat's off to you. Famous for good shoes and bad teeth, England has redeemed itself with Cold Play. God Bless The Queen.`

First off, U2 are from Ireland - get your facts tight - amazing you don`t know that the band you think made the best contribution to England (in your mind anyways) isn`t actually from England !....doh!! and duh! I guess any accent in the english language that doesn`t sound american is british to you lol

Second, you consider Floyd, Beatles, Stones, Sex Pistols (and the list could go on forever)... dim contributions from england to music only salvaged by Coldplay coming along? Or did you think those bands were from Ireland ? LOL - Please tell me you had no idea those bands were from England so I can feel that you some have kind of knowledge about music but are just bad with geography.

But one thing I can give you credit for is you put two bands in the same bucket that deserve to be ...somewhat... - both Coldplay and U2 have gotten boring... but at least U2 had a fairly good period where they weren`t `the joshua tree` is a very respectable album and in general they had good albums... but the last few are limping. And Bono on stage has become annoying .every performance being the same as Bono says to self `ok now I will take an excited teen female fan from the audience on stage with me and sing to her as she freaks out being so close to my big ego - and all the other teens flip out` lol - it is really boring...

As I continue to say on here, aside from a resonable debut album called `parachutes`... Coldplay has done nothing else but go downhill since then and become banal and are nowhere near being some of the top players from England historically. Today maybe since music is at an all time low creatively it seems.

And comparing them to Radiohead is just complete utter nonsense and anyone who is saying that they are in the same league, nevermind saying Martin and his band are superior, really strike me as having limited knowledge about music or very closed minds.

I'm offering this advice in all sincerity because, to be honest, you're making a bit of an arse of yourself. Sorry.

caek - you are refering to the UK I presume, sure England and Northern Ireland are within the UK. But England and UK are not the same thing... the comment I replied to above was from someone referring specifically to `England` and lack of talent coming out of that country aside from U2. Ireland is not part of England - plus U2 were formed in Dublin to my knowledge which is Southern Ireland and isn`t even part of the UK btw.. So even if the fellow above was refering to the UK thinking it was the same as England (and in all fairness a lot of folks I know do think they are one and the same so it is a common thought) he was off in assuming U2 are from the UK. Please do check your facts before calling someone dumbass ok? And if my facts are incorrect by all means correct them for me... But in all fairness, yup I shouldn`t have stated how I feel about Bono these days - irrelevant I do agree. I somehow doubt you will apologize for what you called me though given you are wrong in YOUR assumption about England and Ireland... but anyways... that is fine you are allowed to think what you want of me really.

Doctor Faustus - I do appreciate your comment, reading back I have been harsher than necessary and have added more opinion in my last post than needed. sorry for that - you are right in your comment. But also do read carefully what I had said... I said most Coldplay fans would not know the Barrett I was refering to... and given the number of responses from people offering suggestions of who I might be refering to, none being correct btw - what I suspected seems right. It was by no means a condescending comment but rather that it is a fact that most people just don`t know who he is. I think people heavily into Floyd would know and potentially people who are into bands heavily influenced by him as they took time to read about the bands they like and who influenced them and then reading about their influences (Radiohead being one of them influenced by Barrett but not Coldplay). And I think that makes Yorke very respectable in his ability to recognize a great creative musical mind and use that as an influence for his work. (mind you Martin is using Yorke as an influence so that shows something about Martin too I think.)

May I remind you that you are in a discussion forum where there will be opinions and facts stated. I have (unfortunately harshly) corrected comments made by people based on incorrect facts. Correcting the facts is important in a discussion I would think.

And again - without trying to sound like an ass at all - what are both of you contributing to this topic? your responses right now don`t have anything to do with what is being discussed...

Please stay on topic ... vs turning on people who are just trying to make this a real and accurate debate.

I just would love to see some responses such as some that have been posted where people state their choice and their reasons why based on the artist as a musician, not the way they look or what is assumed their personality is (or what bus they chose to ride) without even personally knowing them... and more importantly based on facts that are sometimes incorrect...

So back on topic - my point of view stands that Yorke is just a better artist and musician - but that is my opinion. Love to hear from others on the topic.

Radiohead versus Snap.

ILX Screenwriters Presents 'It was all Yello: The Coldwerk Sessions'

Ironic how a guy who says I am trolling is focused on me vs the topic...

if you have a personal challenge with me, then contact me off of here - please keep this forum for the topic at hand.

Tuomas - thanks for a reply about the topic! We definately don`t agree in our views, but I respect you have your opinion. Oh but wait according to caek we are the same person! LOL. But caek also sees Thom Yorke hopping on buses so he perhaps lives in England and yet doesn`t know Ireland isn`t part of it, so questionable how much thought should be given to anything he writes.

I have to admit that yes your point about some of the piano melodies on some of the Coldplay songs is good. What is your favorite album by Coldplay btw? and why?

2) Tuomas, I disagree with you 100% about Thom Yorke's (not spelled Thom York) contribution to the U.N.K.L.E. album (not spelled Unkle). But the fact that you have your own original thoughts, though wrong, leads me to believe that you are one of those people who actually CONTRIBUTE to the state of message boards in 2006. Unlike all these other stalker assholes who post silly .GIFs or cut and paste lies you never said.

3) Johnny B, I got your back homey

Thanks Wrinklepaws, felt like me against the world on here for a bit there :)

Here is a question for all - have you seen Radiohead and Coldplay live - and if so - how would you compare them? Curious to know.

gekoppel - you wrote..

`I'd that Jonny guy really not get the sarcasm- or was he doing a doublecross troll?``

which probably should have read:

I`d BET that JOHNNY guy really DOES not get the sarcasm - or was he doing a doublecross troll? (I filled in missing and mispelt words for you)

probably would be best if you wrote complete sentences - to begin with... Oh, and about the trolling - you are one of the ones bringing the topic back to me continually - and not the topic at hand - how does that make me a troller? . If anything, you are trolling on my behalf LOL.

back to the topic..., has anyone seen BOTH these bands live, if so please do tell about your experience. Curious to know. I have seen Radiohead live 3 times and on dvd of course, seen 2 Coldplay performance on DVD, but never live (after seeing the performance on DVD I wasn`t inspired to see them live...) but in all fairness I haven`t actually seen them live so any comments from people who have would be welcomed and I am curious to hear.

If you get an album of each to get a sense of some of the best liked stuff they have done I would say get Parachutes from Coldply and The Bends or Ok Computer from radiohead.

Hope that helps a bit.

btw - what is your favorite U2 stuff - more like Joshua Tree or `All you can`t leave behind` ?

I take it you using her as an example of someone who should be discovered is pure sarcasm cause there is no way you could be serious... and if you are serious, you are in the wrong thread, there must be some threads about Kenny G, Michael Bolton or Carlton where people discuss banal love ballads that your time would be better spent on than this one...

Nor do I see any relevance to the topic ...aside from the usual one liner post to take a shot at someone.

Please explain your relevance to the topic at hand?

Sorry for those who continue to try to take one liner shots at me or anyone else - I seriously don`t care what you think - stop wasting everyone`s time here... there must be pissing match threads for you out there that would be more suitable.

can we get back on topic here? I asked a few posts back if anyone had seen Radiohead and Coldplay live. Any takers?
Curious to know how people would rate them against each other after seeing both live.

it amazes me how worked up people have gotten about the fact that chris martin and gwyneth paltrow gave their child a not-uncommon jewish name

Thanks for listening!
mskcf

I've already shared them, actually. Way to not break character, though.

still waiting to hear from someone who heard both bands live - has anyone lived that?

What are you, keeping tabs on everyone, making sure they stay productive? Enforcing the signal to noise ratio?

My current contribution is trying to figure whether you are in fact completely immune to sarcasm or whether you're some dude having a laugh by impersonating such an irony-proof fellow. I'm still leaning towards the latter.

So, has anyone seen these two bands live? If so I would love to hear your experience. Reason I am asking is that I have heard good things about Coldplay live, I saw them on DVD and I wasn`t too keen on it but sometimes a band live is a whole different experience... so would love to hear about it. And how you would compare the bands live.

Uh, Radiohead made trendy house mixes?

Okay, this person is joking/faking it

I somehow glazed over that part

Beeble - can you find that quote again. Like all artists Yorke has influences but he doesn`t tend to like trying to sound like anyone so surprised he would make such a statement... but I could be wrong.

Given Aphex Twin is techno sounding perhaps Yorke did get influences and therefore included more of that in Kid A and Amnesiac...

Helllllp meeeee

and Emily I am still waiting to hear from you about why Colplay would be so much better than Radiohead live. I still hold the position that Radiohead just writes better music. Live every time I saw them they were incredible. One of the best acts I have seen. That being said some bands I saw on DVD that I didn`t like really were a whole different experience live. Pearl Jam being one of them. I was talked into seeing them and have to admit Vetter was rather impressive live , very strong presence and great voice. So maybe Martin is too.

To the comment about Green Eyes - nice tune but again it sticks with the mould of Martin`s music where it is deep compared to pop music loves songs sure but still rather simple minded next to most of what Radiohead writes.

I would go see Colplay live if I am convinced they have a strong presence live, but not for the lyrics cause I just don`t think they are up there in terms of songwriting. After seeing Pearl Jam I still think their songwriting is good and not great but seeing them live was an experience that I am glad I saw. That is what I am trying to figure out about going to see Coldplay ...

Live is so different - I mean one of the best artists I saw live and who I cared not so much for her music - was Nina Hagen. Albums didn`t do it for me, live she was a heck of a presence and incredible vocal range...like shockingly good singer. That is why I continue to seek someone on here who say Radiohead and Coldplay live who can really do a comparison in terms of experience... and Emily that might be you

I'm sorry everyone, Johnny is right; humor has no place in writing

`Kenny G has a new album out for xmas, happy bday Jesus hope you like crap` - Norm McDonald... that is humour.

`yah I SOOO love Radiohead` when you actually hate them and written without any context is pure sarcasm and pretty hard to detect with no facial expression, and a waste of everyone`s time.

sarcasm does not equal humour - wake up, you are starting to sound like caek on here...

I'm sorry everyone, Johnny is right; sarcasm has no place on Teh Internet

but screw it, a pissing match is what you want so fine... I will comply for a day or two... should be interesting... even if it will ruin the spirit of this blog, or maybe the spirit of this blog is just a pissing match anyways lol

Chris - Sarcasm is great in real life, it is funny - just thrown in as a one liner on a discussion forum it just doesn`t have it`s place. But I guess you are just consumed with figuring out who is sarcastic and who isn`t - that is your thrill about blogs I guess... So why don`t you explain to us how it contributes to the blog that people toss out sarcasm left and right?

Caek welcome back - now enlighten us on how Ireland is part of England please - lol

back on topic, anyone seen both Radiohead and Coldplay live? Please...

any other recent sightings of Yorke on a bus - or Elvis or Bigfoot? Also interested to hear about those...

And back on topic, anyone seen both Radiohead and Coldplay live?

and is caek and action time version the same person ? - they both communicate with useles jpegs... hmmm

so anyways back to the serious stuff... anyone seen both Radiohead and Coldplay live? or actually, what was the best performer or band you saw live and why?

sorry I am off topic but this is way too funny...

I have found that seeing Radiohead 3 times they were always good but progressively getting better and more experimental from concert to concert. You may want to check them out now given it has been 8 yrs since you saw them. well, if you can find tickets, their upcoming tour has very small venues so tickets are rare though...

Thanks again for the info - very useful.

-- Tuomas (lixnix...), May 6th, 2006.

hahahaha 10.10 tuomas!

-- the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (miltonpinsk...), May 17th, 2006.

Weird why? Cause Emily and I are actually having a conversation on the topic of this thread vs insulting each other?

Here we go again....Why don`t you contribute your thoughts on the topic of this blog - Yorke vs Martin? Vs tossing insluts?

I think my position is pretty clear - don`t think Martin is anywhere near Yorke in songwriting talent, but live I have to see to compare...

and back on topic - has anyone else seen both these bands live?

now even your jpegs have grammatical errors in them...

and kinda funny though how YOU read that image before posting it considering what it says - LOL. I actually like having you around on here, you are so entertaining!

back on topic again... has anyone else aside from Emily seen both Radiohead and Coldplay live and if so what are your thoughts?

I am one and just one person on here.

Chris is on every time Caek is on and Chris`s email address is `no address` - hmmm.

And Dok Faustus and Action Time Version have the same email address.. hmmm ...

so come on spill it - caek, Dok - how many alter egos do you have on here so we know who we are really dealing with when you post ?

And again - back on the topic - has anyone seen these two bands live aside from Emily?

so again - back to topic - anyone seen these two bands live? and if so do tell of your experience. thx

Emily - I had been meaning to ask and keep forgetting with the distractions - where did you see Radiohead and Coldplay? Just curious really. Were Colplay tickets a lot more costly in the last few years?

Just a bit uncool though that you faked being the moderator or if you are the moderator that you are so biased... the latter being the less likely scenario anyways given you would have wiped me off of here by now.

pscott - sorry you got sucked into this. Tim Action, given he has a few different names on here, seems convinced we all do that and can`t stand on our own just as he can`t and as a result he is starting to be a bit defensive...

But anyways yes this is all in good fun but I wish we stuck to the topic here - this is really getting tiring...

that's ok.

sorry i ahve never seen either band live.

do you think echo and the bunnymen, sigur ros or stump are the most important of coldplay and radiohead's shared influences?

Sigur ros - has a bit of their sounds but you know who they actually sound like to me? The Flaming Lips... as to who influenced who there - no idea.

-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy

better than dave matthews, not as good as madge vs janet j.

TIHS THRAED FAILS H TE TURING TEST!!! TZZT TZZT TZZT ZTTZ. !!!1

stay on TOPIC!!!

it's nice to get some support in a music chatroom like this - no, i don't 'get' why some people use sarcasm either Johnny - they're not like that at Yahoo. Personally i think it lowers the tone, even if that means we're never going to be one of the 'in crowd'. wouldn't the world be a nicer place if we all just said what we meant??

personally i prefer Coldplay. They've got a much better understanding of harmony - Radiohead seem to have lost their way a bit since their glory days - sometimes i want to say to them: GET A PROPER GUITAR TUNER!! i know that maybe seems a bit harsh to some people, but there are 12 notes in the western scale and it's just not right to go breaking the rules like that. Rules are there for a reason Tom!!! Coldplay never play the wrong notes on purpose.

Beeble - about the comment on Radiohead sounding detuned... well they experiment a bit with some less than traditional chord progressions and sound mixining needless to say but most of the time I think the result is good. But I do know some folks who think it can be annoying so I guess it is very debateable. (like some people who loved the bends and ok computer really don`t like the albums after) but also the one thing I have found is that if people listen to them enough, the later albums grow on them. I guess they don`t have immediate appeal when hearing like the earlier albums did.

I don`t know enough about blogs to have Jouster`s premonitions, but I am learning :)

But back on topic, here is a question for all... which is the best song from Radiohead or Coldplay in your opinion and why?

In terms of Radiohead songs, too hard to pick one... I just don`t tire of any of there stuff aside from a few songs on Kid A and Amnesiac. Pretty much anything on The Bends, Ok Computer and Airbag: How is My Driving is great. Huge classics I would say are songs like Lucky, Airbag, A Reminder and Fake Plastic Trees. But really hard to pick them even over a dozen of other songs that are timeless too.

The big test for me is that I toss a CD in the car and see how long I can endure it. Stuff I liked like Coldplay`s Parachutes, Beatles albums, Stones, White Stripes, some of the Brian Jonestown Massacre albums etc etc would do well for 1-3 months before I tired of listening to them almost daily. The Bends and Ok Computer have been in the car CD changer for 4 years now, and I am not even close to being tired of either of them yet...

so why don`t you focus a bit - tell us which song from which band you like... or anything on the topic of this blog for that matter...

come on, surprise us buddy!

The point is though: when comparing Coldplay to Radiohead there is no doubt that Radiohead is the more talented band hands down. It seems to me that Coldplay only started out for something to do with their free time, like a lot of bands, but have never really gotten over that or tried to challenge themselves too much. I don't see, though, why everyone is so intent on hating Coldplay just because of how popular they have become in their mediocracy. How were they to know they would become so mainstream? Can't blame them for it, so I don't see why there has to be any sort of hostility towards them for that.

I'm just wondering why the topic is Thom Yorke vs. Chris Martin when most people (including myself) are talking about the bands and music as a whole, and not the individual. If I really want to stay on topic, my answer would be Thom Yorke, just because I have seem many interviews about the guy and have read Dead Air Space and his blogs and all that. I know almost nothing about Chris Martin and his personality.

Sorry that was so long and choppy, inconsistant, etc etc. Just some opinion because I'm really bored at the moment.

Thanks for being on topic!!

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I still choose Radiohead over them any day though.

pscott - I got a chance to spend a bit more time with Echo and the Bunnymen music. I must say thanks for the lead, I hadn`t really heard much of their stuff before as I stated to you earlier. Of the three bands you had mentioned no doubt if any influened Yorke it would be this one.

I also wasn`t surprised to see them as a recommended item to hear on Anton Newcombe`s band`s site. I think they influenced the BJM no doubt too and probably many others for that matter.

thanks again for the lead.

Now do you have anything productive at all to say or not ?