― Fritz, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― fritz, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
A second on the Stone Flower front too. I've heard good stuff by Marcus Valle but again it might not be strictly bossa.
― Winkelmann, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Paul R, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― dek1, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Daniel, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Also, Ruicihi Sakamoto recently recorded a Jobim tribute with Jacques Morelenbaum, Brazilian cellist, and arranger for Velosa, and Morelenbaum's wife, a singer. They will be doing some dates at Joe's Pub in NY this Sept., then a free date in Nov. at the winter garden...
― Mary, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chupa-Cabras, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Daniel, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― justin emacitron, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jack Cole, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Love CV or hate him, Domingo is a pretty sweet record, if only for "Coracao Vagabundo." I imagine he did most of the stuff that annoys our esteemed fellow poster later in his career.
― Lee G, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
I also recommend: Luiz Bonfa...he recorded 'Softly...'(aka O Violão E O Samba) in Rio in 1962. Then he recorded 'BRAZIL'S KING OF THE BOSSA NOVA AND GUITAR' in Paris in October of '62. Next he recorded "LUIZ BONFA Composer of Black Orpheus Plays and Sings BOSSA NOVA" in New York December 30-31, 1962. 'JAZZ SAMBA ENCORE!' with Getz was then recorded in Feb of '63. What an amazing output in such a short period of time!
The four Getz Bossa albums are readily available and may be worth checking out as an introduction, but I can't listen to them anymore because the sax is just too damn loud.
― Paul, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Joao Donato (although mixed feelings on Donato + Deodato) Milton Banana and Milton Banana Trio (the bossa drummer, though his records proper tend to be massively unadventurous) Sergio Mendes Trio (nicely stripped-down bossa, see fantastic "In the Brazilian Bag") Wanda Sa (perpetually off-pitch yet way more appealing than Astrud) Baden Powell (guitar; often too driving to be very bossa) Elis Regina (obligatory psychotic diva; also not often very bossa) Eumir Deodato (for big plush arrangements of Jobim songs)
Also non-bossa but so long as we're looking around: Astrud Gilberto's 70s records (e.g. the fabulous "Now") = good. Even Bebel Gilberto's let's-modernize "Tanto Tempo" is good. Even the remix record for "Tanto Tempo" is good. It's all good.
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― DeRayMi, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― joan vich, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Could anyone possibly burn me a copy of this? It is out of print and fetches $100 on eBay, so I won't be able to find it myself.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)
I'll email you, thanks!!!!
Nabisco is right that Astrud Gilberto is unappealing. I get really suspicious when people on, say, Friendster or Nerve list her as one of their favorites. It's like they like the IDEA of bossa nova but not the actuality.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)
v. de moraes wrote'garota de ipane-ma' and many more
('samba de bencao')his work with toquinho isklassik beyond doubt
cantuariais the new viniciushe's as smooth as paint
subtlety is all,whispers, nudges, eyebrows, lipsoooooooooooh bossa nova
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Daniel (dancity), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)
I've always been on the fence about the Caetano V. as well. I never thought his tropicalist material was as good as Gilberto Gil's, but on the other hand his collab with G.G. in '94, "Tropicalia 2," is one of the great post-MPB documents. "Livro" is nice too. But often there's just something treacly and sickly about Veloso that I find almost impossible to get past. I guess it's the Jeff Buckley Syndrome, I Have A Great Voice And I'm Usin' It...altho he's certainly better than Jeff Buckley, at least C.V.'s model is João Gilberto instead of Led Zeppelin.
― Jess Hill (jesshill), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)
i so agree with you on this point. i've got the 69 s/t disc and the english language one mentioned above, and i used to have "Muitos Carnavais", but there's something about them i just don't get into. it definitely has something to do with the sickly sweetness of his voice. every single Gil album i've heard (all from the 60s & 70s) has floored me.
I guess it's the Jeff Buckley Syndrome, I Have A Great Voice And I'm Usin' It
i don't necessarily think this is the problem. i mean, i love Tim Buckley, and he also has a Mariah like range. i've said this before, but i think Jeff has that mid90s alternative production sound, and that's what's grating to me
― JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)
(sexist recordof the year) and celso fon-seca's natural
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 9 August 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 9 August 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lingbert, Saturday, 13 November 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago)
but I'd recommend buying "Elis" ('66, the one beginning with her version of Gil's "Roda") and "In London" (the one with "Zazueira," which is one of her absolutely greatest tracks and one that appears only on that album and on the impossible-to-find comp "O Melhor De Elis," which I've owned for years on cassette and which Elenco put out in a version featuring songs dubbed from vinyl. If you can find this one, it's the one to get if you want one, as it contains "Madalena," "Vou Deitar E Rolar" and an early version of "Waters of March." But the sound isn't superb, and the track listing is even incorrect, go figure).
"Elis" from '73 (the one with two essential Gilberto Gil covers, "Ladeira da Preguiça" and "Meio de Campo) is another really good one. In fact there are three from '71, '72 and '73 all called "Elis" and they're all quite good.
Philips put out a 4-CD set on Elis 10 years ago, called, yep, "Elis," that's really good. It's one of their "Series Grandes Nomes" collections. The catalog number is 522-951-2. I haven't seen this one for a long time, bought it years ago at Ameoba in S.F., so good luck.
As noted above, "Echoes of Rio" is a good bossa document; the Verve "Bossa Nova Brasil" comp is great; and João's "João Gilberto" (the one with the white cover recorded at Rudy Van Gelder's with just João and a drummer, starts off with "Waters of March") is probably the single greatest João album and thus the greatest bossa record.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 13 November 2004 19:08 (twenty years ago)
And I guess I didn't say that I'd go for some of the individual albums mentioned above before springing for that box. If you had "O Melhor," "Elis & Tom," "Elis" ('66) and "In London," you'd pretty much have her. Or if you can't find "O Melhor," go for the "Series Grandes Nomes" box and then pick up the '66 "Elis" and "In London." What a shame you can't get an intelligently programmed one- or two-CD set, with translations, on Elis in the USA.
Obviously, I'm a fan. I made a one-CD best-of recently with the following tracks, mostly uptempo, all recorded '65-'74:
RodaTem Mais SambarTereza Sabe SambarCanção do SolZazueiraGiroMenino das LaranjasSamba do PerdãoCorrida de JangadoCanto de OssanhaRecit de CassardAquarela do Brasil/Nega do Cabelo DuroFrevoVou Deitar a RolarMadalenaBala com BalaFolhas SecasMeio de CampoAmor Até o FimLadeira da Preguiça(following from "Elis & Tom"):Waters of MarchPois ÉBrigas, Nuncas MaisFotographiaSonato de SeparacãoDouble RainbowUseless Landscape
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 13 November 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago)
I've got a question for eddie or anybody else about another singer: what's the word on Nara Leao? (Leão?) I've got one of those "Sem Limite" comps on her which is pretty good, she doesn't do any vocal trick, I like her straightforward delivery. Anything else I should get?
― Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 13 November 2004 21:34 (twenty years ago)
also, there's something that has been bothering me. Everything I've read has said that Elis & Tom is one of the greatest bossa nova albums ever, so I bought it, and I like it, but.....of the 4 Elis Regina albums I've heard, it's actually not my favorite. I like the Elis (1972) album better. Is this blasphemy? Am I normal?
Even worse, I prefer the Elis(1972) version of "Aguas De Marzo" over the Elis & Tom version. It definitely sounds like Elis & AC Jobim had a blast making their version, but I just can't seem to share their enthusiasm. The Elis '72 version is more subdued. More of a slow burn, I guess, and it suits me a lot better. Am I alone in feeling this way?
― Lingbert, Saturday, 13 November 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago)
Marisa Monte is great--and sure is beautiful too. I'm a fan of her "Rose and Charcoal" album. I actually like her better than I do Bebel Gilberto. There are photos of both these great singers in the current music issue of Vanity Fair.
For anyone who wants to read about bossa, the book by Ruy Castro, "Bossa Nova," (a cappella press, 2000) is a must-read. Great portrait of Gilberto, Jobim, Menescal and all the rest, and it shows how Regina as interpreter helped create MPB outta bossa. And dispels the myth that bossa hit America only in '62--there were plenty of hip folks who knew about it earlier.
Nara Leão--check out "Nara" and "Um cantinho, um violão."
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago)
That's just a setup for your gag, right? Because that's a great album. My copy has the modesty of the voluptuous cartoon beauties on the cover somewhat protected by strategically placed blackout bars across their upper bodies, which I don't think are on the import version, Barulhinho Bom
There is side benefit of the Bebel Gilberto records Tanto Tempo and the self-titled one. Sorry for oversharing, non-parents please avert your eyes, but I've got two three month old baby daughters and those records are surefire fussy baby calmer-downers. They like Marisa Monte and João Gilberto too. Those Brazilian rhythms are just plain good for you.
― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago)
I'm going to the library tomorrow to get Bossa Nova
Also, and maybe people already have seen this, when I was reading up on Elis Regina on the net awhile back, I came across an English-translated version of her biography Furacao Elis. Apparently it has never officially been translated into English, so some hardcore Elis fan took it upon himself to do it. The entire thing is posted on the net for free with the full blessing of the original author. The translation is far from perfect, but it's fairly short and it's an interesting read if you're a fan. It has lots of interviews with people like Gilberto Gil, Elis herself, Elis' family, her husbands, bandmembers, associates, etc.
Here's the link for anyone who's interested: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Beach/7020/
― Lingbert, Monday, 15 November 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago)
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago)
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)
The only reason why i brought up the subject of the borders between samba, bossa and MPB is that Marisa Monte's name was mentioned upthread and it seemed to jar on a bossa thread. For me the only people who have actually made records that even approach the status of bossa nova in the last 30 years are British/French/Swedish indie bands. Brazilians don't seem to do bossa these days. When I was out there, there was quite a bit of choro being made, and blokes playing the old standards on over-loud guitar in posh bars, but nothing you'd really call bossa nova.
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago)
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, sorry about my boundary issues. The question was about Elis Regina and I was just trying to respond to that one. Bebel Gilberto had been mentioned further up thread by nabisco, but more carefully described as "not bossa."
I can never figure out exactly what is MPB. Is Jovem Guarda MPB? Is Tropicalia? Is all Brazilian music after a certain date not strictly in an earlier style MPB? Probably not. Are all, any or none of Jorge Ben's (or Jorge Ben Jor's) records MPB? Please explain.
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago)
Sorry wrong thread again! But please show leniency, I have family!
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)
I dunno, MPB is a bit hard to pin down. I'd say it's mainstream post-bossa Brazilian pop that isn't rock. So analogous to "Dusty in Memphis" or Presley's '68 Memphis stuff? Where the impulses of samba and bossa and pre-'60 Brazilian pop all come together to create a relatively internationalist style, something like that? Perrone's book on MPB talks about Chico Buarque, Gil, Veloso, Nascimento but not about Jorge Ben, or, for that matter, Elis (although obviously both are mentioned). And I do think that MPB and tropicalismo bleed into each other--Regina covered one of the classic tropicalist songs by Gil, "Lunik 9." And some of the stuff on the great "Tropicalía Essentials" comp is like MPB, really, except that they use electric guitars. I guess the analogy would be tropicalismo=McCartney on "Revolver" during his period of listening to John Cage and MPB="Listen to What the Man Said" or "Band on the Run" or something?
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago)
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago)
Actually, I even like the Vince Guaraldi album of this material, even if he is only, on the face of it, an American playing musical tourist.
Here is the thread for Tropicalia , where some of the boundary questions between the various genres are discussed, with some contributions by eddie.
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago)
World Pacific putting two songs from "Black Orpheus" into a medley on their reissue of João Gilberto's early bossa albums is the reason you can't get that album any more, apparently. João was much displeased with that decision and that seems to be why World Pacific pulled that great collection off the market. Too bad. He's a funny guy.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago)
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:30 (twenty years ago)
One more thing: isn't the Dizzy Gillespie version of this song pretty well known? I've got it on some Jobim comp, and I don't know what I think of it. The way they vamp on the second, Major key part of the song, kind of upsets the balance for me.
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago)
― Elvis is Dead, Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago)
Please try and explain, Elvis! Se tiver dificuldades pode ate escrever em portugues se quiser e ai eu traduzo em ingles. It's really interesting. And the fact that you find it hard to explain is in itself interesting.
Elvis makes a good point about mixing everything. Certainly when it comes to MPB. Singers seem to want to try their hand at everything. Thanks Ken for the link to the Tropicalia thread. Thanks, too, of course, to Eddie for sharing his knowledge.
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago)
And I've realized that the E&T album sounds much much much better in my car on a rainy night or in my apartment at 4am than it does while I'm sitting at my desk at work.
also, I honestly wasn't planning to buy the Transversal Do Tempo box set, but then I found it on somlivre.com for the equivalent of $160 (including the $30 shipping fee), and I couldn't pass it up. It does indeed have some clunkers (Show Elis, Miele & Bôscoli, for example, might be a laff riot, but since I don't know Portuguese, I'll never know for sure (that is, unless I learn Portuguese, which I have seriously considered, mainly because of this box set and the Elis Especial MPB DVD, which is approx 1/2 interviews with no subtitles whatsoever. Very frustrating!)), but overall it's well worth it.
I did slightly get screwed though, because in the Elis Especial(1968) case there was a cd for Em Pleno Verao, and in the case for Em Pleno Verao, there was the cd for..... Em Pleno Verao. I emailed somlivre.com, but never got a response (haha I wrote it in English, but I also included a version of the message that was translated using one of those translation websites, which generally don't provide perfect translations. So if the person who got my email doesn't know much English, s/he might have had no idea what I was talking about). I briefly entertained the idea of contacting Universal, but I wouldn't know where to start and they probably wouldn't give much of a shit anyway. If anyone wants an Em Pleno Verao disc, I'd be happy to trade (especially if you just so happen to have an extra Elis Especial(1968) disc lying around, like so many of us do).
The first paragraph of this message is addressed to eddie, but it's intended for anyone who wants to comment.
― Lingbertt, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)
I love this music but have played all my old favorites to death.
I need more.
― MVP (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)
― MVP (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)
That Smokey & Miho bossa stuff is surprisingly good too, if I remember correctly.
― Lingbertt, Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)
BTW, Japanese Giraffe, are you in fact Japanese?
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)
― Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)
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― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)
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― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 20 March 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 20 March 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 21 March 2005 05:28 (twenty years ago)
The book is packed with information, well-told anecdotes and anwers-to-obvious-questions. When Vinicius met Tom, how Joãozinho became João, what the difference was between the music for the stage and film versions of Black Orpheus, who Nara Leao's guitar teacher was, whatever you want to know about, it's all here. And all well told too- although I'm having trouble reading the book in order, since I get greedy and keep skipping ahead. I skip back though.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)
I especially like "Canto do Caboclo Pedra Preta" (which I think is from the Afro-Sambas suite, or maybe it existed before it was included on that album, which I am somewhat arbitrarily calling a suite and haven't even heard in its original version).
And this "Só por amor" with odd vocal choruses and barely audible recitation is kind of spooky, whatever it's actually about.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago)
Here's the blurb from Filmfest DC:This Is Bossa Nova: The History and Stories focuses on the Brazilian musical form born in the early 1950s that would attain international recognition in 1962 with a memorable concert at New York's Carnegie Hall. Two of the great living composers from this movement, Roberto Menescal (composer of the classical "O Barquinho") and Carlos Lyra (of the timeless "Lobo Bobo, Coisa Mais Linda" and "Voce e Eu") share their anecdotes and musings about this unforgettable era. The music composed in that period would revolutionize Brazilian popular music composition in melody, harmony, and arrangements. More than forty years later, Bossa Nova has earned acclaim throughout the world. The film's participants include Carlos Lyra, Roberto Menescal, Iko Castro Neves, Lenny Andrade, and many more. -Palm Springs International Film Festival In Portuguese with English Subtitles
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― oscar, Saturday, 28 April 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)
I wanna put back this image that went missing http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_albums/2/7/1/g27514bif16.jpg
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 6 December 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.carloslyra.com/portugues/index.asp
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 22 December 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago)
Dug out Luiz Bonfa Sings and Plays Bossa Nova - Verve '63 with Lalo Schiffrin; fine stuff, expecially the almost totally instrumental second side. And I agree with the comments upthread about Astrud; Joyce or Eils anyday
― sonofstan, Saturday, 22 December 2007 15:12 (seventeen years ago)
http://jazztimes.com/columns_and_features/table_of_contents/article_excerpts/index.cfm?article_id=18624
So the latest Jazztimes magazine has a Don Heckman article on Brazilian singer Luciana Souza (who is now married to bassist/producer Larry Klein, ex-hubby of Joni Mitchell who is also quoted in the article)and has a cover story on Herbie Hancock and Joni Mitchell (that also quotes Klein). Her The New Bossa Nova has her singing mostly in English bossa nova style covers of Joni Mitchell, Steely Dan, James Taylor and Jobim. Maybe I need to listen more, but the sound samples I tried online did not impress me. I have one of her older cds, and I don't play that much either. Based on her family heritage I should probably give her more of a chance. What do ya think?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 December 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago)
A Global Rhythms writer put that Souza cd in his top 10. I'm still not convinced.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 December 2007 01:20 (seventeen years ago)
The title The New Bossa Nova reminds me of what Sam Spade said when his secretary told him the La Paloma was in port- "the la is a lousy combination."
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 24 December 2007 01:25 (seventeen years ago)
New Nova is a lousy combination.
Yep
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 December 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago)
Anybody hear Maria Rita, Elis Regina's daughter's 2007 cd? I did not but have liked her previous 2 efforts. She's got a prettier voice than Souza.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 December 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago)
Wanna hear it, but have not got round to it yet.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 24 December 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bossa-Nova-Brasil-Various/dp/B0000046NV/ref=sr_1_56?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1212774031&sr=1-56
this seems so obvious but i like every sample ive heard from it.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 6 June 2008 17:44 (seventeen years ago)
I have that. For my taste, it's a little uneven, but I haven't listened to it for a while and forget what I don't like about it. I think maybe ome tracks at the end turns too smooth jazz/fusion or something like that. I thought I talked about that CD somewhere, but maybe it was a different thread.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 6 June 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)
vinicius cantuaria's cymbals is my summer record right now. great stuff. i also like the stretched-out live stuff i've heard.
anyone gotten the remastered elis & tom? saw a copy for cheap the other day and wonder if it's (i hope) an improvement on the old verve copy i got.
― whisperineddhurt, Friday, 6 June 2008 17:58 (seventeen years ago)
rockist, care to recommend a good bossa comp?
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 6 June 2008 18:00 (seventeen years ago)
That collection looks like it has a lot of the basics but the cover is kind of tacky and I'll bet it has some slick ringers like RS says. I have something called Bossa Nova: Trinta Anos Depois that's OK (maybe mentioned upthread) but not super comprehensive.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 6 June 2008 18:02 (seventeen years ago)
x-post
I wish I could. I don't know too much about bossa nova. I like this compilation, but it's not exclusively bossa nova:
http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:K8mt6C0Yx04J:www.amazon.com/Brasil-Century-Song-Vol-Bossa/dp/B000005AHL+%22bossa+nova+era%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
(linking to cached page, because amazon is mysteriously down at the moment.)
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 6 June 2008 18:04 (seventeen years ago)
I listened to that Bossa Nova Brasil, and maybe I'm just picky about bossa nova. I don't always like the weird vocal harmonies they use. Also there are a couple cuts on this compilation that just sound like elevator music versions of bossa nova, although they are from legit. artists. On the other hand, there are some tracks I love, like "Pra Iluminar" (I hope that's the right one) with the rattle/shaker that comes in (to me, unexpectedly) right in the middle of a line being sung.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 7 June 2008 17:53 (seventeen years ago)
Pianist Joao Donato(a buddy of Jobim and J. Gilberto who moved to the US for a little while) is playing with drummer Robertinho Silva and bassist Luiz Alves in Chicago for a 50th anniversary of bossa nova show.
The free concert begins at 6:30 PM on Thursday, July 24 at the Pritzker Pavilion in Millennium Park
Pete Margasak has more about the show on his Chicago Reader blog.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 03:39 (sixteen years ago)
RIP Dorival Caymmi.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 23 August 2008 23:35 (sixteen years ago)
Here's a link
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 23 August 2008 23:38 (sixteen years ago)
Here's another
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 23 August 2008 23:39 (sixteen years ago)
OK, on another topic, here's another video, this one with a great star entrance
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 24 August 2008 00:25 (sixteen years ago)
omg, this one is amazing.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 24 August 2008 00:31 (sixteen years ago)
[u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guMek3_D6ls&feature=related] João and Tom[/u]
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 31 August 2008 02:46 (sixteen years ago)
very nice--especially the Regina and Jobim one
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 31 August 2008 04:09 (sixteen years ago)
Thanks. Actually there's lots of nice bossa stuff on the web, including a short clip of a fresh-faced trio of Bonfa, Gilberto and Jobim serenading three bathing beauties at Copacabana. I wonder why João hasn't had his lawyers shut them all down.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 31 August 2008 04:14 (sixteen years ago)
I cannot vouch for this album enough
Oscar Brown Jr. & Luiz Henrique - Finding a New Friend (1966)http://musicodobrasil.com.br/loronixcontent/Oscar+Brown+Jr.+e+Luiz+Henrique+-+Finding+a+New+Friend+(1966)-image009.jpg
― i am truley sorry for your lots (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 24 November 2008 23:31 (sixteen years ago)
Also, if you can find it, the 1961 Caterina Valente & Edmundo Ros collaboration is a must
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/PappaWheelie/caterinaedmundo.jpg
― i am truley sorry for your lots (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 00:09 (sixteen years ago)
Checking this out now. Good stuff!
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/PappaWheelie/BossaNovaCarnival1962Prestige1.jpg
― hey ne1 want a hawt freind 4 there myspace???/ (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 07:03 (sixteen years ago)
As I noted on the tropicalia thread -- Just saw the movie doc "Beyond Ipanema: Brazilian Waves in Global Music" last night at the AFI theater in suburban DC (the movie's showing just one more time there--Thurs. Oct. 8th). There's some bossa nova in it and way too much David Byrne and Devandra Barnhart and others talking about Brazilian music.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 5 October 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.ecanadanow.com/entertainment/2010/03/08/a-bossa-nova-founder-johnny-alf-dies-at-age-80/
The music world has suffered another great loss. Johnny Alf, a founder of Bossa Nova music, died in a Santo André hospital of multiple organ failure. His death in Brazil on Thursday, March 6, 2010, was a result of the musician’s battle with advanced prostate cancer.
On May 19, 1929, Alf was born in Rio de Janeiro under the name, Alfredo Jose da Silva. He was proficient on the piano and his forte in early American jazz greatly influenced his Bossa Nova work. He completed 9 solo records but appeared on 46 albums. His 1955 hit songs “Rapaz de bem” and “O Tempo e o vento” are said by many to be the start of Bossa Nova and has widely influenced later stars. A definitive history of the genre was written by Ruy Castro, who called Alf the “true father of Bossa Nova.” His other successes include “Decision” and “Girl of my city.”
The musician’s health began deteriorating in his last six months of life while undergoing chemotherapy treatment. Despite of his illness, he would still continue to make presentations with an energy that his manager, Nelson Valencia, described as “spiritual” and “calm.” Johnny Alf was 80 years of age.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 March 2010 14:39 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=51181 Another Alf obit. RIP
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 March 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)
RIP
― The Great Rick Roll Swindle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 8 March 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)
I should get that Ruy Castro book.
Gilberto Gil is in NYC Thursday and DC Saturday.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 March 2010 19:21 (fifteen years ago)
Ruy Castro book is GREAT
RIP Johnny :(
― Wet Hot American Oil Spill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)
That book is indeed great. Also, nabisco was reading it recently and wrote some interesting stuff on his blog about it.
― The Great Rick Roll Swindle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 02:34 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/arts/music/12alf.html?ref=todayspaper
N.Y. Times obit for Johnny Alf
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 March 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)
Not from Brazil, not in Portuguese, but the Helen Merrill album Casa Forte has some pretty nice snail's pace versions of some nice bossa songs, well-known and otherwise.
― A Century Of Elvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 April 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
What's Nabisco's blog? What's the url?
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 11 April 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)
http://agrammar.tumblr.com/post/378514280/bossa-nova-class-politics-fight
― A Century Of Elvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 April 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)
Has anyone seen the 2008 Walter Lima directed movie, "Os Desafinados," about a fictional bossa nova band that comes to America around time of the military takeover in Brazil? It is showing in Washington DC tonight and Thursday night. It is also called "out of Tune" and "off-key."
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
I missed it. Saw the Deborah Colker Brazilian dance company instead. Maybe it's on video
― curmudgeon, Friday, 29 October 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
no!
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
Oh well.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 29 October 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
So the new Soul Jazz comp and book...
― Me and a Monkey on the Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
book?
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
http://jungledrumsonline.com/articles/music-to-the-eyes-the-art-of-bossa-nova/
― Me and a Monkey on the Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
oooh!
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
If it's got that "Surfboard" cover from upthread or anything like it, I'm all over it.
― Overend Wattstax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
KILL CAETANO VELOSO!!
― Chupa-Cabras, Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:00 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkChupa-Cabras, are you Brazilian?
― DeRayMi, Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:00 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkYes, and i feking hate him
― Chupa-Cabras, Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:00 PM Bookmark
I never, ever 'got' Caetano Veloso. I remember there was a point, maybe in the late 90s, when he got a huge push here and a lot of the hype seemed to be around the story (the political stuff, etc.), but his music always sounded so ungraceful and dull to me.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
waht
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
I get what you are saying Hurting, but listen to The White Album.
― Overend Wattstax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
produced by Rogério Duprat
― Overend Wattstax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
or for straight bossa, just listen to Domingo
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
I'll grant that his post-tropicalia stuff is kinda spotty (endless repetitions of "9 out of 10 movie stars make me cry" = um no thanks)
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
I was listening to Som do Brasil on WKCR last night and they were talking about him. First they said "Caetano, you either love him or hate him" and then they started making fun of the way his wife dressed him!
― Overend Wattstax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 3 February 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
Can someone recommend some newer electronica bossa nova stuff? I got this recently, what else is good?
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/richhunt35/democustico.jpg
― Mount Cleaners, Saturday, 9 July 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago)
A brilliant bossa nova song where you wouldn't expect to find one: "Busy Doin' Nothin'" by the Beach Boys, off the Friends album.
One whole verse is Brian Wilson giving directions for driving to his house! I'm amazed he wasn't worried about stalkers....
― Lee626, Sunday, 10 July 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago)
Folks who come to bossa and other more trad Brazilian sounds from a jazz angle seem to love Luciana Souza much more than I do. She was just in town and I skipped the show. Maybe I need to listen a few more times (as her fans are so enthusiastic)
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:02 (twelve years ago)
Feliz aniversário, Tom Jobim!
― Wild Mountain Armagideon Thyme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 January 2014 19:32 (eleven years ago)
http://vimeo.com/85415894
Bossa Nova - The Music Which Seduced the World
a new documentary by Bret Primack and Ken Avis, exploring the roots of bossa nova and the pivotal role of Washington D.C.’s musicians in popularizing the Brazilian bossa rhythm in the U.S. This fascinating film features exclusive performance, recording and interview footage with musicians from the original Jazz Samba recording, plus rare archive footage of the era.
Just saw this last night. A bit disjointed but interesting footage and interviews. In the discussion section afterwards, a jazz radio dj and writer who was seen in the movie, took the film to task a bit for not making clear enough that Charlie Byrd's bassist Keeter Betts introduced Byrd to Brazilian music
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 October 2014 18:09 (ten years ago)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/blame-it-on-jazz-samba-bossa-nova-craze-started-in-dc/2014/05/26/8657665a-e32f-11e3-9743-bb9b59cde7b9_story.html
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 October 2014 18:22 (ten years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/arts/music/carlos-lyra-a-pioneer-of-bossa-nova-reintroduces-himself.html?_r=0
He's gonna be in NYC for the first time in 50 years
Mr. Lyra’s lilting tunes, including “Primavera“ (Spring) and “Você e Eu“ (You and I), inspired bossa’s most famous composer, Antônio Carlos Jobim, to once call him “a great melodist, harmonist, king of rhythm, of syncopation, of swing” and “singular, without equal.”
But unlike Jobim, whose “The Girl From Ipanema“ brought him and bossa worldwide fame in 1964, Mr. Lyra had no comparable breakthrough. It’s been 50 years since his last appearances in the United States, on tour with Stan Getz, the saxophonist who helped turn “The Girl From Ipanema” into an American smash.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 17 May 2015 21:34 (ten years ago)
What??
― Lemmy Cauchemar (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 May 2015 22:34 (ten years ago)
I always liked this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyP0vfXF-Qg
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Sunday, 17 May 2015 23:47 (ten years ago)
x-post--DELTA AIRLINES PRESENTS
"BOSSABRASIL" Marcos Valle with Carlos Lyra
at Birdland in NYC May 26 to 30th
Not likely to make it up there, but might be worth the $40 plus $10 minimum
― curmudgeon, Monday, 18 May 2015 14:06 (ten years ago)
Pulling out "Tanto Tempo" by Bebel Gilberto again for the summer. Super chill
Wanda De Sah also hits that spot
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 7 July 2017 06:46 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvoNEwON96g
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 7 July 2017 06:49 (seven years ago)
Don't really get the hatred for Astrud Gilberto in this thread, is it just challops or pushback against the twee indieness? Anyway she's no Elis Regina or Nara Leão but imo she has good taste in collaborators and knows how to incorporate her voice into tunes, been listening to her Now album a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=892rcoj4XNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrbazMk_D4c
Read that Castro book recently and agree w/ everyone it's great. Some quibbles: dude seems pretty condescending towards anyone daring to do politically charged music, and the bitter tone towards the ending is kinda weird - makes it seem like Bossa Nova was a short burst of creativity on the Brazilian music scene that was unjustly forgotten, as opposed to the starting point to what (nationally and internationally) is probably seen as its most creative era.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 3 November 2017 14:09 (seven years ago)
Nice article about Johnny Alf: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/arts/music/johnny-alf-bossa-nova.html
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 21:52 (four years ago)
Very interesting article on Alf
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 01:25 (four years ago)
Interesting doc on MUBI for a few more days called WHERE ARE YOU, JOÃO GILBERTO?
― Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 May 2023 16:19 (two years ago)
Thanks for heads up
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 May 2023 18:05 (two years ago)
Might not actually be that good according to other reviewers but hard for me to be objective when people like Roberto Menescal appear.
― Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 May 2023 19:56 (two years ago)