Late 2005: So now what are you reading?

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Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

try it again and see how you get along...

Marilynne Robinson's "Gilead" which is beautiful and precise and wonderful and complex and still. I'm reading it very slowly and, for the first time in a long time, i'm in no particular rush to reach the end. i LOVE this book. please read it.

Thanks for the new thread!

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Nabokov - "Glory"

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

i was just thinking about marilynne robinson, cuz i am watching a horrible movie starring christine lahti, and of course christine lahti was in the movie version of housekeeping, marilynne's one and only masterpiece before gilead. i also picked up a great book of interviews from the 80's with writers from the pacific northwest, and she was one of the interviews. she is really cool. the raymond carver interview was great in that book too. and sad, cuz he died a year or two after this book came out. (called *At The Field's End* if you dig writers talking about writing, you should check it out. gary snyder, barry lopez, tom robbins, ursula k. le guin, jean auel, etc.)

speaking of interviews, the 2nd interview ever with cormac mccarthy is in the new vanity fair. very interesting, and i'm not really a fan or anything. he's just interesting. he spends all his time writing at a scientific think-tank in santa fe! who knew? he is the only writer there.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 July 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Percy - "The Moviegoer"
Joyce - "Ulysses" (have spent about two weeks on this, gotten to the Aeolus chapter so far)

And I've got Whitman's "Leaves of Grass" I'm about to crack open. This Norton volume contain both the deathbed and 1855 editions. Any advice on which one to read first?

mj (robert blake), Monday, 11 July 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

I really liked The Moviegoer. But I tend to like things with bitter lonely male protagonists a little too much.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 11 July 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

The deathbed edition is waaaay longer.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 11 July 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I saw that. But is there anything special about all of those massive reduxes/annexes he added to the original that make them worth reading?

mj (robert blake), Monday, 11 July 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

Well, to be honest, I've only read the deathbed edition. And it was a long time ago.

I recommend you start with one section -- the "Song of Myself", say -- and read both versions and decide which you prefer, and go from there.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 11 July 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

trying to finish steve fuller's social epistemology, which is not an easy read, and often more confusing than it needs to be. he thinks too fast for his writing to be clear.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 11 July 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

I've just started "Gulag: A history of the Soviet camps" by Anne Applebaum, and it's pretty interesting so far.

Lady Lazarus, Monday, 11 July 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

you should read the original version of leaves of grass first, so that you can have finished it. if you start the deathbed edition first you might not finish it and then you won't have finished anything!

plus, the original is more punchy. but if i recall correctly there's no 'eidolons' in that one, which is slightly too bad just because i find it kind of endearing in its repetition of 'eidolons' despite otherwise not being all that.

eidolons!

Josh (Josh), Monday, 11 July 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

'Fags and Lager' by Charlie Williams.

snotty moore, Monday, 11 July 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

I just finished the Ray Bradbury collection *I Sing The Body Electric*. I picked up a bunch of Bradbury paperbacks at the thrift store. I thought they would make for good summer reading. And I have never read any of them before. I enjoyed this one a bunch. I have no idea why I didn't read his stuff when I was a kid. He would have been my hero.

But now I am going to start reading *Singing from the Well* by Reinaldo Arenas.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

I finished Denis Johnson's 'The Name of the World' yesterday (all 129 pages of it) and started 'Utopia' by Lincoln Child. I've always loved the Preston/Child books but for some reason haven't read any of Child's "solo" novels, and after recently finishing Gravity's Rainbow I needed some less, ah, challenging material.

After I finish that I'm going to read Catch-22-- I think I'm the only person alive who has never read it.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

(Also as I recall the hot gay action isn't in the first edition of LoG.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

scott, we got to study bradbury short stories ar school!

After I finish that I'm going to read Catch-22-- I think I'm the only person alive who has never read it.

i've got a friend who has read Ulysses, War & Peace etc i.e. all those supposed inpenetrable books, but she just can't get past the first 10 pages of Catch 22. i think she's tried about 5 times now!

anyway, i've just finished "my fault" by billy childish. like a british "ham on rye" bukowski, he can write ok but it was relentlessly depressing. i want some literary chocolate now.


zappi (joni), Monday, 11 July 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I've just put down "Back" by Henry Green, which I enjoyed very much. I intend to reacquaint myself with Mr. Green soon.

Now I'm reading O Pioneers! by Willa Cather, which is suiting me very well in current circumstances.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that one biggied up in Something Beginning With O, Tim? Is it modtastic?

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Put The Book "Back" On The Shelf.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

Yes there is some biggifying on SBWO. No it's not modtastic. It's more like The Waltons than the Weller.

I used to enjoy watching The Waltons on Sunday mornings when I was wretched with hangover, it felt soothing to the soul. So does this. I haven't got to the bit where they do "Long Shot Kick De Bucket", yet.

The front of "Back" has a Victor Pasmore painting of a naked woman's back.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Just finished Platform by Houellebecq. I honestly don't know what to think. Especially strange to read after what happened last week. And all of that stuff about the hotel business? Are all of his books padded with this stuff? But I can say that he's good at writing sex.

Now reading Lanark by Alasdair Gray.

zan, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading my first Wodehouse, Thank You, Jeeves, and liking it. For some reason it's hard to keep track of the plot, but the story really isn't the point is it? So I'm just letting the great exchanges of dialogue and the musical prose do their thing.

After this, I want to read Pale Horse, Pale Rider by Katherine Anne Porter, and then a couple more Wodehouses: The Luck of the Bodkins and The Code of the Woosters. And after that Emily of New Moon by L.M. Montgomery.

Gail S, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the plots are whimsical and fun enough, but really just an excuse for all the wonderful pipping old boys and mastodont aunts.

I'm reading "Ghost Story" by Peter Straub. It's too darn hot here so maybe this will give me some much-needed chills. Shame I'm a slow reader, or I could fan myself by wooshing through the pages.

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Finally finishing up My Name Is Red, with Ghostwritten and Girl in Landscape on deck.

The book club at work is doing Time Traveler's Wife, but I'm not sure that I would enjoy reading it.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

What's with you guys and My Name Is Red- is it required reading for drummers?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Jordan: Give Time Traveler's Wife a try. I didn't think it sounded that great, but I really enjoyed reading it, to the point where I was sneaking away from my husband's family at Christmas to read just a few more pages. It's not Pamuk, but it's lovely in its own way.

And I'll always be a cheerleader for Ghostwritten...

zan, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

The Time Traveler's Wife was wonderful. Plus if you like the Violent Femmes, they have a cameo. Also, I loved the Emily books by Lucy Maude Montgomery when I was younger. They were darker than the Anne books, sort of Victorian Canadian teen goth. Without the make up. I just read After the Quake by Haruki Murakami which I liked a lot. It's the first of his books I've read. I'm normally not so enamoured of short story books, there's not enough to dig into but I did like that one. Reading a Great and Terrible Beauty now.

Megan, Thursday, 14 July 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

HOLY BLOOD HOLY GRAIL
What a ridiculous book.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 14 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Are there nazis in it?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 July 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

i'm finishing up "the museum of unconditional surrender" by dubravka ugresic, then i'm probably going to read "portnoy's complaint" or else this new czech novel i got as a promo from dalkey archive.

michel houllebecq's worldview is the most misanthropic and repellent thing i have ever read. i think his books are poorly written and his philosophy is too bleak and childish for me. yet, i've read them all and would leap to read the next one. i enjoy the sex, sure, but mostly i think his nasty, repugnant views are like a guilty pleasure for me - they are so genuine and biting, and i love black humour.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 14 July 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

No Nazis yet, but I'm not that far in.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 14 July 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Nazis, I hate those guys.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Thursday, 14 July 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I've finally finished my tedious travel book and am now reading The Pickup by Nadine Gordimer. Pacy.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 15 July 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

steve erickson, "leap year"

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)


"Year of the Comet" by Jan Deblieu, who also wrote a book called "Wind."
Using only a pair of binoculars, some star maps, and a few rudimentary books, Deblieu immerses herself in a study of the stars and the study of the human brain --how it works and what happens when it goes awry. "Some mysterious force gave birth to the stars: they in turn spawned the planet on which I stood. And on down the line, to the drops of blood that coursed through my body, the neurons that fired in my brain."

I just finished "Plan B," by Anne Lamott. A good book, a sequel to "Tender Mercies."

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 15 July 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

'cryptonomicon'. i was very disappointed when it turned out to be about nazi gold.

j lethem, 'the disappointment artist'. has its moments. will revive that old thread once i'm done with it, mebbe.

steve erickson.

'1968 in america' by iforgetwho, my sister bought it for me years ago, it annoys me.

next up: more steve erickson, delillo's 'end zone', if i don't have a summer job by the end of the month proust

tom west (thomp), Friday, 15 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I just finished Florence of Arabia, by Christopher Buckly--mostly quite funny.
I also went through The Italian Secretary, by Caleb Carr--good Sherlock Holmes pastiche, but the story promises a bit more than it delivers.
A couple of weeks ago, I read Cold Service, by Robert B. Parker--a middling Spenser mystery.

Mr. Jaggers, Friday, 15 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

right now, Joseph Roth, 'The Emperor's Tomb'
next, Alice Munro, 'The Progress Of Love'

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 16 July 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers by Harry Harrison. Wonderfuly awful.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Når jernteppet faller by Jonas Lie.

SRH (Skrik), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Sigmund Diamond's Compromised Campus is current bedtime reading.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 17 July 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading "Tomassi and the Blind Photographer" by Gesualdo Bufalino. It's good, but I'm not yet sure how good.

Tim (Tim), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

i am reading second skin by john hawkes. it's very good.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

I have indeed found myself reading The Time Traveler's Wife.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

Philosophy in the Twentieth Century, by AJ Ayer, a book I should have read in college, but didn't.
Recently read - Watership Down, and The Men Who Stare at Goats.

Ray (Ray), Monday, 18 July 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Selected Stories by Alice Munro and How to Be Alone by Jonathan Franzen

youn, Monday, 18 July 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

i keep cheating on the reinaldo arenas book i'm supposed to be reading by reading edward hoagland essays.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

i am reading second skin by john hawkes. it's very good.
Man, I loved that book. I think I started a John Hawkes thread and it went unanswered.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Recently read - Watership Down

Blub fest!

I am almost finished my Nadine Gordimer and will then read some Beryl Bainbridge book which has such a terrible seventies cover, complete with awful photo, that I am embarrassed to be seen with it and will not read it in public, but huddled in a corner somewhere. Luckily it is very short.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Which Nadine Gordimer? I read My Son's Story the other week (part of my be less predictable/read more women resolutions)

Ray (Ray), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

The Pickup. Really good. It's only the second book of hers that I've read. The other one was July's People, also really good.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

So I finished "Tomasso and the Blind Photographer" and it is very good. Oddly, it reminded me of Twin Peaks (some of Series 1 of which I was watching the other day): in TP Lynch takes the hollowed-out chassis of the cop show format and uses it for a series of character pieces, satire horror and weirdness. Bufalino does kind of the same thing with the detective novel, but with literary genre-play and that.

Now I'm reading "The Ballad Of Peckham Rye" by Muriel Spark, because thats' where I live. It's already mentioned two of my favourite pubs and I'm only on page 15.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

I am reading Language Myths. It's crap.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

Did somebody say Nazis?

I'm reading Wouk's mammoth "Winds of War", followed, if I gots the guts, by the sequel "War and Remembrance".

Gatorskin, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, I'm a bit behind times y'see.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Greg Egan's Axiomatic.
I've sort of steered clear of him, despite how highly respected he's become, mainly because the "hard" science fiction tag usually means really boring infodump rubbish.
And by gum, this short story collection is a huge revelation to me!
For the first time in my 10+ years of reading this sort of thing, I get that deep "sensawunda" feeling that I've often heard others talk about. It's actually made me both laugh out loud out of sheer enjoyment of the ideas he presents and how he explores them, and it has made me want to go on to explore further literature both on the physics and the philosophical concepts he touches on.

To think I almost put it down after a couple of pages because it looked too cyberpunky.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

I tried to read The Annotated A Christmas Carol but it was just too bleh.

I am listening to these boring "History of Ancient Rome" lectures in the hopes that I'll be able to jump back into the Decline And Fall.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

Is that language myths book the 'POSH' one, Peter? I'm reading that on and off at the moment. Given how frequently the author ends an entry saying 'so, the REAL story is: we just don't know', I'd rather have the myths.

I'm reading something by Charlotte Mendelson, and Harry Potter.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

It is by Peter Trudgill and somebody else. Edited by them. It has many contributors, like George Harrison's Concert For Bangladesh did.

Here it is:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140260234/qid%3D1121855448/026-1079273-2068421

Customers who bought it also bought the Bloodaxe Book of Petry, so it probably is the one you've got.


I am now reading One Moonlit Night by Caradog Prichard. It is one page in Welsh, one page in English. I'm skipping the Welsh pages, so I'm getting through it quite quickly, 100 pages during this morning's 3 hour commuting odyssey. I think they say the same thing anyway.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

Dream Boogie:The Triumph of Sam Cooke by Peter Guralnick

just started, will report back but so far it's pretty riveting

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

That was a good joke about '"Back"', PJM.

I want to know what Youn thinks of Franzen's book.

I have started Oh Play That Thing. It is Fast-Moving. I wonder did AccentMonkey read it.

the finefox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Ah no, mine is 'POSH and other language myths: the fascinating stories we tell about the words we use'. Not illustrated by Gary Trudeau either, unfortunately.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

I have started Oh Play That Thing. It is Fast-Moving. I wonder did AccentMonkey read it.

No, it hasn't been donated yet. I am currently reading Sweet William by Beryl Bainbridge. It's so rooted in the early seventies, it's wonderful. Oh my god, I'm going to bed with a man! What will my mother think! And so on.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

I thought that was You talking for a minute there, Monkey, not the buik, like.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Yes, so did I. It was the highlight of the day, so far, and looks likely to remain so.

I cannot find my joke about "Back". Was it good?

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it was, good. It went: 'Put the book "Back" on the shelf'.

I suppose it could have gone, 'Put the book, "Back", on the shelf'.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh, yes. I had forgotten. What a gem.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

how do ppl stand franzen? i open fortress to any random page and just wince. i mean i'm not a hemingway =god faulkner = sukk guy at all, but the man overwrites to a painful degree. do you just accustom yrself to it or something??

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

hmm. i said franzen but meant lethem. maybe that's not as odd a mixup as it may first seem. the question holds i guess, re lethem.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Lethem switches up his style a lot. For ex., Fortress = wordy and sometimes overdescriptive, Gun with Occasional Music = lean and sharp.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

enh? lethem's books are pretty much all in totally different registers

everyone in the stores i asked about the disappointment artist thought the j i was looking for was j safran foer.

oh, x-post

fortress's overbearingness of style works in that the moment being described throughout pt one is meant to be one of incredible weight of potential; pt two is not written the same, really.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Just started The Child In Time by Ian McEwan, after that it'll be McEwan's Atonement

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

I enjoyed Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress by Dai Sijie, so I got Mr. Muo's Travelling Couch. So far, it's overwrought. Maybe because I finished Marilynne Robinson's Housekeeping just before, and it was so wonderful. Someone gave me Gore Vidal's memoir Palimpsest last month and I finished it off as well - he's so catty and bitingly funny.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 21 July 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Now "The Ballad of Peckham Rye" is over, about which I'm sad because it is a wonderful, understated thing, I've started "Loving" by Henry Green.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 21 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

Is that the one about the butler and his mates? If so, I haf read it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

a book on penguin

tom west (thomp), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Hay, publishers aren't record labels.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Hay?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 22 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Hay is for horses. And donkeys like you.

Other people said that in school too, right?

Just finished reading Beryl Bainbridge. Great seventies detailing, like everyone trying to avoid tripping over the cord from the electric carving knife at Christmas dinner, and with some nice caustic lines in it. I do love Beryl Bainbridge.

Now reading The Good Doctor by Damon Galgut. Only 20 pages in, love it already.

And now I really am going to bed with a man. Because, like, it's bedtime.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 22 July 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

noam chomsky, "pies in civilisation"

jeffrey (johnson), Friday, 22 July 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

mmm, pie.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 July 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

i had started Marilynne Robinson's "housekeeping" which i had a hard time finding since it's out of print in the UK. unfortunatly i got a duff copy consisting of the middle section printed twice and a whole swathe of the first third absent. grrr.

about to start Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse 5" - i've never ready any of his, i think he's quite an ILXy author is he not?

then probably George Saunders' "Pastoralia"

jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 July 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

jed_ try searching http://www.abebooks.com for out of print stuff. In the advanced search, you can limit it to specific countries.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 22 July 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

PS Vonnegut is wonderful.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 23 July 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

S5 seems a bit different from most Vonnegut, since it's his "big book where he has something to say", and many of his books after that read more like "I have to scratch my butt" (that's a good thing).

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 23 July 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Done with Time Traveler's Wife (even though I had my issues with it, I was engrossed), and now I'm well into Hit Me, Fred!, Fred Wesley's autobiography.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 23 July 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Hm, Time Travellers wife is the next in line for me. I have to polish off Cloud Atlas first.

I think I'm living about a year in the past.

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 23 July 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

I finished Atonement today but I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I might. I actually liked The Child In Time more. Which Ian McEwan novel should I try next?

For now I'm going to read A Heartbreaking Work Of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Sunday, 24 July 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Russian Short Stires from Pushkin to Buida, edited by Robert Chandler.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 25 July 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

Miller: yes, butler and mates.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 25 July 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

Stan, if you liked Child in time but not Atonement then you should probably give Black Dogs a go next.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 25 July 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

Try The Innocent as well, it's tied w/ Child In Time as my favorite McEwan. (I was disappointed w/Atonementtoo.)

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 25 July 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Just finished 'Loving Without Tears'. God, reading Molly Keane is like having your heart delicately scooped out with a silver spoon.

Now I'm reading 'A Box of Matches' which has already inexplicably made me cry at the breakfast table (scuse the split infinitive). Tears are rarely that far away at the moment though.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 25 July 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

Archel, is "Loving Without Tears" a good place to start with Molly Keane, or should I begin elsewhere?

In preparation for a forthcoming trip to Cork, I was thinking about beginning to read some Roy Keane.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 25 July 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

I think 'Good Behaviour' is a good place to start (it's where I did). But perhaps 'Loving Without Tears' is a simpler expression of her typical style and subject matter?

I have only read those two though!

Archel (Archel), Monday, 25 July 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Dubravka Ugresic's The Museum of Unconditional Surrender. Wasn't someone else reading this too? I swear I'm not a sheep.

This is certainly one of those books that will make me think differently about my life, my memories. It's making me want to go back and finish Svetlana Boym's The Future of Nostalgia as well.

zan, Monday, 25 July 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be sure to check out those McEwan books next

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 25 July 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Killing Yourself to Live by Chuck Klosterman. It suffers from the problem of most memoirs in that I whether or not I liked the book seemed to depend on whether or not I liked the person. And in this case he was a fuckwit. But a likeable and sometimes very right fuckwit. Now I've started the Memory of Running.

Megan, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

almost thru another reading of kuhn's "structure of scientific revolutions" which i promised kogan yrs ago and so now i can try and talk about what's funny and interesting and wrong with it at somepoint.

southern's the making of the middle ages is really really well written.

oh i read that book on enron "the smartest guys in the room" -- totally one of the best invst journo boox i've read.

i came this close to buying painters' book on the gilded age but it rilly didn't seem as good on a skim as i'd hoped.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

Oedipus the King. Not as exciting as Antigone, probably a bit played out. But I hear Oed is vacationing in Colonus next!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

The Frozen Water Trade. Selling ice to Calcutta and the Caribbean in the 1850s, with no refrigeration methods. Madness!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Methodism Empire of the Spirit, by David Hempton. A very interesting history.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

I have done with the mates, the butler and his happy every after.

Now I am reading "Leonardo's Judas" by Leo Perutz. I heart Leo Perutz, and this is the only one of his, uh, major works* which I'm yet to read. I was given it for Christmas and I've been saving it for the right moment. Now is the time.

*I haven't yet read "From Nine To Nine", which I have a copy of, or "The Third Bullet" which it appears is impossible to find in English. But these are recognised, it seems, as relatively minor in Perutzworld.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

That Ukrainian tractor book. And Rebecca Elson's poetry.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

The Elements of Journalism.

Must be that time of year again.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

i have this problem lately of reading or re-reading books and putting them down about 50-100pp before the end and not going back to them.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I do that. When I get near the end of a book it suffers because I no longer want to take it out with me, in case I finish it on the bus or wherever. So I start a new one... and forget about the old one.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Am reading Steve Erickson's "Tours of the Black Clock". A slow start, but I think I am finally getting into it. Feels a little ponderous though.

Up next is probably the new Harry Potter. The anti-ponderous.

stewart downes (sdownes), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

i'm reading sexual metamorphosis: an anthology of transsexual memoirs.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't get more than halfway through A Heartbreaking Work Of Staggering Genius. Ohwell.
I'm now reading Foe by J.M. Coetzee

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

The Eggers, it was of its time.

I just bought "Who Could Ask For Anything More" by E. Merman at the library store, and I am damned excited about it. I'm trying to figure out a way to make poetry out of it. I am thinking about combining it somehow with "Making of Americans" by G. Stein and seeing what happens.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 July 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

I just finished number9dream by David Mitchell. Fantastic!! I liked this much more than Cloud Atlas, which I thought was ambitious but flawed, and really excited me only in the center section. This one was written with such a consistently brilliant style, I would liked it just for that; but, it was very moving and emotionally satisfying, too! Now, I guess I'll have to check out Ghostwritten.

Cherish, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Strangely enough, I am reading 'To the Lighthouse'.

And loving it!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

a fantastic book

I am reading "fischer Vs. spassky, the new york times account"

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Finished Foe last night and The Cement Garden by Ian McEwan today. Next up will be McEwan's Black Dogs and after that, although I've heard its not very good, The Lovely Bones by Alice Sebold.

Thank God for libraries

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Thursday, 28 July 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Cozen! You sexy fiend!

From E. Merman's "Who Could Ask For Anything More", since I can't find the "post a line or two" thread:

"I'm no connoisseur. I don't eat potatoes -- too starchy -- but if I did I'd be a meat-and-potatoes girl."

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 July 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm now reading Fragrant Harbour by John Lanchester. Luckily it's more like his second book than his first, and is very engaging.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 July 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

The tractor book is disappointingly pedestrian, but I've got quite into it anyway. Chris, I want to read your Ethel Merman book :)

Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

I have finished "Leonardo's Judas", which isn't as spooked or as surprising as I had hoped, but is still pretty great.

Now I am reading "The Truth About The Irish", by Terry Eagleton, as recommended to me by One Of Us. It starts rather badly but I'm hoping it will pick up.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

You are doing a lot of reading, Tim. Or is it that more of your reading is being reported?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 July 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

What was the interesting looking (Scandinavian?) book you were handed last night, Tim?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

'the baroque cycle'

tom west (thomp), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

the truth about the irish is yet another book that i haven't finished. but my poor attention span is not terry's fault.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

PJM: it's the reportage, I decided that it wasn't scary here, or boring.

Archel that was "Independent People" by Halldor Laxness, which I'm assured is rather better than "The Atom Station" which I have read and only enjoyed a bit. As far as interesting nordic types go, I think he's no Torgny Lindgren, if you know what I mean.

While we're here Archel, the thing I hope you're reading is your email at your slightly foxed account, or the screen of your mobile telephone, either of which should tell you that you have messages!

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

Some discussion last night on whether 'laxness' is the Icelandic version of the Jamaican 'slackness', by the way.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh bollocks I have been away from my bag and phone and desk all morning :(

Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

It's less scarey here than elsewhere, Tim. Cos we are all soft as grease.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

How can someone be called 'laxness'?? It doesn't inspire confidence.

Who was it that wrote the book that the film Elling was based on? Norwegian? I was interested to read that.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

'the baroque cycle'

How's that working out for you, Tom?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

JtN is usually first to the button which is on the money, but this is one of those rare occasions when I feel, not perhaps quite that I told him so (for I am not sure that I have actually heard him slam VW), but at least that he has belatedly followed my commendation (for I am always saying that VW was a great English artist, the last genius to match Paul McCartney, and other such grandiloquent statements).

Perhaps David Thomson made the difference?

I have an Ethel Merman CD.

TH, I suppose that TE's book is patchy. There is a woeful moment, for instance, when he says 'the fairies have left Ireland; rumour has it they ended up in San Francisco'. But I like it somewhat, still, for (as I said) it is such an odd artefact, from such a writer; it is genuinely funny at times, I think; and it contains a remarkable amount of facts and information.

the finefox, Saturday, 30 July 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

Who was it that wrote the book that the film Elling was based on? Norwegian? I was interested to read that.
That'd be Invar Ambjørnsen. There are four Elling books, namely:
Utsikt til paradiset ("A view to paradise", 1993)
Fugledansen ("The bird dance", 1995)
Brødre i blodet ("Brothers in [the] blood", 1996)
Elsk meg i morgen ("Love me tomorrow", 1999)

(The English titles are direct translations by me, I don't know if any are available in English)

--

I've just finished reading Fritz Leiber's The Big Time, which I didn't like all that much. It's standing together with Niven's "Ringworld" as the Huge winner I've enjoyed the least. At least this was short enough that I managed to bring myself to finish it though. Still, it was somewhat interesting to see a science fiction novel that's essentially a locked room mystery play.

Just started on Ian McDonald's River of Gods, which seems nice. Hopefully the off-putting 'Neuromancer' comparison in one of the review snippets is rubbish.

Øystein (Øystein), Saturday, 30 July 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

How can someone be called 'laxness'?? It doesn't inspire confidence.

He's good really, Archel. Although to be honest the only Laxness I've read was The Atom Station, which probably made more sense if you knew more about Iceland in the 1950s than I do.

At present, I have Hawksmoor by Peter Ackroyd in my work bag, in the hope that I will start reading it in my lunch breaks. So far it hasn't worked. I'm also reading a big book called A World History of Photography.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Do you know what I'm reading? Nothing, that's what.

By Henry Green.

Boom boom!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 1 August 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

So am I!

Well, I would be if I had picked it up from my 'books to read' pile this morning. Instead I picked up "A Balcomy In The Forest" by Julien Gracq. He taught Georges Perec, you know.

I have finished reading "The Truth About The Irish" and it does pick up, though not as far as I'd hoped. I think it's fair to say that TE has a long way to go as a comic writer, though I laughed a handful of times. Some of the things he says are inexplicable, such as when he notes that the Irish will call you by your first name as soon as you're introduced, while the English will wait for the eighth or ninth time (NB this is my paraphrase at best). I mean, that's obviously not true, but I also can't see how it works as humour or even as exaggerated stereotype. I'm quite pleased I read it, perhaps mainly for the factual content. It has made me keener to read "Keane" too.

I read "Sofia Petrovna" by Lydia Chukovskaya, too. The back cover calls it "searing". It's certainly rather upsetting. It claims to be the only more-or-less contemporary fictional account of Stalin's mid-thirties purges. I liked it very much.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

Today, I got as far as p6 of Hawksmoor before thinking "hmm, maybe I could just refresh ILE New Answers instead"

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

the baroque cycle is going slowly and at this rate i will not finish it until mid-august. jordan have you read cryptonomicon? bcz i dunno how much i can say about it otherwise.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 1 August 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

I found Nothing quite hard going. I may put it aside in favour of something less taxing.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 1 August 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

now reading (the profoundly unfashionable) louis auchincloss's *a world of profit* (although i do recall reading something about his books recently, so maybe he has passed from un-hip to hip again. who knows?)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 1 August 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Tom, I read about a quarter of Cryptonomicon and then set it aside for some reason. I didn't think it was bad, just long and I wasn't all that interested in the math-y parts.

I haven't read any of the Baroque cycle, just listened to Maddie lay into it a lot. :>

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 August 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Btw, I'm done with Hit Me, Fred! and am now in the middle of Girl in Landscape.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 August 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

I nearly started Girl In Landscape this morning. Instead I picked up The Understudy (by the bloke who wrote that novel about University Challenge). It's ok.

Finished the communal Archel household reading of Harry Potter on Saturday - reading out loud sucks when you get to the end of books and your voice just can't keep up with the exciting denouement, it's very tempting to read ahead silently and get walloped by your audience.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 1 August 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. I forgot how great nonfiction can be. Now I'm obsessed with Mormons.

zan, Monday, 1 August 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

'The Winter Queen' by Boris Akunin.
When/why are you coming to Cork, Tim?
Fwiw, 2 of the writers most mentioned on this thread (Houllebecq and David Mitchell) live in County Cork

Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 1 August 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Archangel by Thomas Harris.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I got about 1/3 of the way into the final book of the Baroque Cycle before giving up - I think because a lot of that book up to then seemed to be a bit too comic-book-action.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

he Unbearable Lightness of Being in Aberystwyth. By Jonathan Pryce, I think. It is quite good, and I like it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Malcolm Pryce I think? I read 'Aberystwyth Mon Amour', it was not bad. However, I don't understand about Wales enough, maybe.

What is Boris Akunin like Joe? I was thinking of investigating him/buying 'The Winter Queen' for a friend.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

Joe I'm attending a function in Dublin on the 20th and I thought I'd take the opportunity to have a look at Cork, what with it being European City of Culture and that. I'll likely only be there for 24 hours or so, and then I'm going to take the train to Dublin, which I understand is slow and expensive, just the way I like it. I don't have any plans, except to look around / look at some pictures, so any recommendations much appreciated.

"A Balcony In The Forest", as of nearly half-way through, is a wonderful thing. It's beautifully written (translated) and there's something about a precision in the use of metaphor which I want to say but can't, not at this time in the morning.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Malcolm Pryce.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

Tim Hopkins! I could meet you in Dublin for a drink/food/coffee/chat while you are here, if you have time and would like to do that.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

That would be a pleasure and a privilege. For me, at least. (I'll be in Dublin Fri-Tue.)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

I like 'The Winter Queen', Archel. It's an easy read, not life-changing in any way, but with an appealing hero, and a cliff-hanger twists and turns (most of them fairly easy to predict) plot.

Tim, I'll have a think about what to recommend in Cork.

Joe Kay (feethurt), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

LRB archives

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Couldn't sleep last night so I read Craig Thompson's Blankets.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Just started Thomas Lynch's Booking Passage. He might be the one author alive that I will read anything he writes.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I read The Unbearable Lightness Of Being In Aberystwyth when I was staying in a hotel in London last month. It was a nice light read for sleepless nights.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

William Faulkner - Light In August

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

doeblin, berlin alexanderplatz
guralnick, sweet soul music

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 06:33 (twenty years ago)

It is a nice light read for on the train, which is what I need. I like it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

50pp to go in OH PLAY THAT THING. Monkey, I think you will like it!

Also reading Sinfield on post-war culture, properly at very long last (I like his plainness); and Amis again alas.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

how do you like light in august stan fields? i hope it is hot where you are. i intend to read that soon.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

A bit more than halfway through it I'm really enjoying Light In August. It has been very hot here lately, maybe thats helping. The only other Faulkner I've read was As I Lay Dying a couple months ago and I really liked that too. I feel like I've been wasting my time reading some of the other stuff I have, I should have read more Faulkner sooner.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Jordan -- How was Fred? i'm a big fan and had no idea he'd written an auto. I too am reading the 'Baroque cycle' and am up in the air about it. I really liked Cryptonomicon (for the mathy bits), and read the first of the cycle, Quicksilver, for the parts with Leibniz and Newton, but they have become secondary characters now and Stephenson is just doodling around without really advancing the story very much. I had this problem with Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell...the author would be well served with a good editor.

Docpacey (docpacey), Thursday, 4 August 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

agh, the idea that i might get as far as BOOK THREE of the baroque cycle before giving up is maddening. zpoilerzzzzz:

i just finished book one today and went and did something else, which felt good. i did however look around on the internet and found one very neat twist apparently introduced in book three.

it's weird: it seems to me like the thing would be of no possible interest to readers not primed on the themes by cryptonomicon? well, this is an exagerration. but i can't imagine the opening having enough weight otherwise for anyone to go "okay i want another three thousand pages of this..." (apparently there are several MORE books abt. the waterhouse dynasty, and cryptology, and the history of money. (i think the first future one will be U&K in that it will NOT require the hanging-around-actual-historical-people bit - that one waterhouse is pacing turing and another is pacing newton is somewhat beyond belief, and to have one where another waterhouse paced charles babbage and ada lovelace, say, would be very much beyond belief.) )

i dunno how to actually rate it as a novel. newton/leibniz interests me as a topic, as does the stuff on the history of england-as-democracy. the stuff on money and crypto is sort of interesting, but less so than in the first half of cryptonomicon. the second half of cryptonomicon i still don't know if i rate: i mean i know it has thematic justification up the wazoo, but i still don't want any kind of book i'm reading to turn out to be about nazi gold. (stephenson lets some of his conforming-to-genre in quicksilver get by in a sort of nudge-wink metafictional recurring thread, mentioning picaresque novels or "picaroon-romances" or whatever perhaps a bit much; also, so far about thirteen or fourteen different things have been compared to mercury, or the appearance of mercury, or how mercury moves around if you pour it, or how mercury acts in a thermometer, or the possible value of mercury as a clothes dye, or the effect of mercury on the digestion, and it is getting rather tiresome.)

i'm surprised at how not-awful the structure of it is, though. that's as far as i'm going on that account, for now.

has a fair bit in common with mason & dixon: way, way more than cryptonomicon ever did with GR, anyway.

my DAD is reading cryptonomicon, btw.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 4 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

A couple of weeks ago, I read a review at www.goodshortnovels.com of Carson McCullers's Reflections in a Golden Eye and Iain Pears's new book The Portrait. I was intrigued by the reviews, so I read both books. One of the earlier comments posted above complained about a longish book that needed a good editor. I've got to say that Reflections in a Golden Eye has a wonderfully concentrated quality that I found refreshing. And the strange voyueristic sexuality was interesting (and seemed ahead of its time, the book being published in 1941). The Portrait, though somewhat flawed and a bit slick, was also interesting for its take on how we want to get revenge on someone who's criticized us harshly (hasn't just about everybody fantasized about that?). Anyhow, that's what I've been reading lately.

Jane Smith, Friday, 5 August 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

I finished "A Balcony In The Forest" and it's quite brilliant, a wartime warped pastoral thing.

Now I'm on to "The Fifth Corner Of The Room" by Israel Metter. More Soviet-era business, starts off being just the kind of chirpy miserabilism I respond to.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 5 August 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

Ah, how I love Carson McCullers. Read 'The Member of the Wedding' next, Jane.

I'm reading 'Girl in Landscape' now. It's good. But I always imagine when a 'literary' author sits down to write a sort of sci-fi book, them having a thought process like: 'wow, this is great, I'm setting a book on another planet/in the future/both, what totally random thing can I invent now I am not constrained by present reality? I know! Tiny silvery household deer! Haha brilliant!'

'Real' sci-fi often seems much more logically rigorous, somehow.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 5 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

lethem wz a sci fi author before he was a 'literary' author. i'm all for whimsical science fiction, anyway, there needs to be more of it.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

Was he? Oh well I'll let him off on that particular chrage then. Tho I still think the deer are silly.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 5 August 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Re: the Baroque Cycle; I have the feeling now that just restarting System Of The World will be pointless and I'll have to go back to the start and reread Quicksilver and The Confusion. There are far too many ongoing characters and plot threads to get anywhere otherwise.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

I tried reading Faulkner's The Sound And The Fury. I was getting very confused. I don't think I'm going to finish it. I'm going to start An Artist Of The Floating World by Kazuo Ishiguro.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Friday, 5 August 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

i think i have given up on "slaughterhouse 5" (and in the meantime gone back to "Housekeeping" which i eventually found a good copy of (see elsewhere)). i think i liked it and it seemed interesting but it's maybe just not for me. to be honest i found myself waiting for the next so it goes was like chinese water torture: there are sometimes 3 or more of those to a page. am i the only one that finds that repitition (i guess it's the centre of the novel) extremely fucking annoying?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 5 August 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

just started on lenin's 'philosophical notebooks'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 6 August 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

I seem to be having a hard time with River of Gods. In a week I've only read 150 pages, and whenever I read it's simply because I want to push myself further into the book in the hope that it'll grab me soon.
Therefore it's time for a break, there's actually a lot of neat stuff in there, so I'm hoping it'll work better if I try it when I'm in a different mood. I'm a very kind reader, obviously, as I hate giving up on books.

So, I started "Robinson Crusoe" instead!

Øystein (Øystein), Saturday, 6 August 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

"manon lescaut", again

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 6 August 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

i think the so-it-goes-ing is possibly meant to be horrible, although that's not necessarily the same thing as annoying

is river of gods one of the two singularity novels on the hugo list? or am i thinking of something else?

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

It's on the Hugo nominees list this year, but it's not about the singularity, unless there's some big revelation later into the book. It's set mostly in India in 2047 or thereabouts, the river of the title being the Ganges.

Øystein (Øystein), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Do you know what I'm reading? Nothing, that's what.
Do you know what I'm reading? Nada nada nada.

Which is the catchphrase from Hemingway's "A Clean Well-Lighted Place."

Ha-cha-cha-cha.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 6 August 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

To my shame I have put aside the book I was reading and am now reading Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Like The Da Vinci Code, I find it compelling without feeling like it's actually any good.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 August 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

how did you feel about the other five?

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I liked them well enough, better than this one. The only one I really liked was The Prisoner of Askaban, though.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 7 August 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

Jordan -- How was Fred? i'm a big fan and had no idea he'd written an auto.

I liked it a whole lot, and you probably would too, but I would guess that most non-fans/musicians would find it a bit boring. It's basically FW describing the endless musician's cycle of being broke, putting together bands/getting hired, gigging, touring, recording, touring, and having it end or fall apart for some reason. Usually money. Repeat, over the course of a lifetime.

He gets pretty snarky about his fellow musicians and bosses, which is fun, but it's amazing he manages to gloss over his personal life. Not a big deal, since the focus is clearly on his musical life, but it's funny when he tosses in "so I married my childhood sweetheart" who he's never mentioned before or when you're wondering what happened to the wife & kids during the "sex & cocaine" years.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 7 August 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Red Harvest by Hammett.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Sunday, 7 August 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

STAN YOU ARE MAKING A MISTAKE

faulkner knows it's confusing as fuck and compensates for that in the (iirc) second to last (jason's) section. as i recall there were a couple major major plot points i was still more or less in the dark about until i read that part. it's def worth it to keep going, esp. if you haven't even gotten out of the first section, which, let's face it, blows.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 7 August 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

I am reading The Peacock Manifesto by Stuart "Dogbreath" David. It is better than I thought it was going to be, quite entertaining. However, I don't think I'll be missing much if I give it up half way through. I shall persevere, however.

PS: Thank you, Mooro, for this book.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 8 August 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

I think I found The Peacock Manifesto kind of bleh.

I'm taking a break from library books to read all the Hitchhikers Guide books again, and I keep annoying Matt by giggling in bed.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 8 August 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

The Peacock Manifesto is an average book, a bit of a romp. The characters are so annoying that I couldn't help feeling they get their just desserts. Although I think the voice each of the characters have is great.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

STAN YOU ARE MAKING A MISTAKE

Making mistakes is nothing new for me.
I was thinking I may try to pick it up again before I return it but I don't think I'll bother. It's a bit disappointing considering, as I mentioned earlier, how much I liked As I Lay Dying and Light In August.

I'll probably end up giving it another chance sometime in the distant future

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 8 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

how far did you get?

John (jdahlem), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers
and
Mr. Wilson's Cabinet of Wonder by Lawrence Weschler

Is House of leaves REALLY any good? I have it checked out but can't decide if I should read it or not.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Well it's not like it's a hard book to read. It's cute enough.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

I stopped reading House of Leaves in the middle because I got sick of the framing narrative and my compulsion need read all of the footnotes was driving me crazy.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

I was impressed, when I originally bought my copy of House Of Leaves, that the building next to my flat (at the time) was mentioned in one of the footnotes.

I never managed to finish reading it though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)


Censorship and Silencing: Practices of Cultural Regulation

Censorship was once a predictable topic, dividing liberals and conservatives down the middle on issues like obscenity and national security. Today, the debate over the regulation of speech offers no such easy dichotomy, with feminists joining forces with religious fundamentalists to control pornography, and abortion rights advocates seeking to restrict clinic demonstrations while prolife groups defend their freedom to picket. Underlying this trend is a fundamental intellectual shift--exemplified by the work of Michel Foucault--that holds that the state is not the only agent of censorship. The thirteen contributors here explore the topic of censorship from the viewpoint of numerous disciplines and viewpoints.

Paper and Packaging (dymaxia), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)


Also, our library is going through a major weeding project, so I'm picking up a lot of interesting books, especially in the area of crime and criminal psychology. But -believe it or not- I found a book called "Library theft and vandalism" from 1980 to be quite engrossing.

Paper and Packaging (dymaxia), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Strange to say, I am reading Steppenwolf. I would say I am rereading it, but really I have no recollection to back that up, beyond the vague belief that I read it as a teenager.

What caught me was the Author's Note by Hesse that he wrote the book as a fifty-year-old and that it dealt with the problems of being that age, and he couldn't figure out why so many readers of the book were so young and was puzzled by what they seemed to get out of it.

By coicidence, I am exactly fifty years old. So I bought a copy for 50 cents and I'm reading it.

I haven't finished it, yet (I'm about 3/4 through it) but I'll be hanged if I know what a teenager would make of this book. I mean, the book is about dealing with the overhanging reality of death and breaking through the old crust of experience - and let's face it, death means something very different to a teenager compared to a fifty-year old like me. And the crust of old experience is not exactly a youth's main problem.

To a teenager, personal extinction is too mixed up in romantic notions of early death, sacrifice and melodrama. In contrast, I can start to feel death working into in my bones now. Nothing romantic about it. From what I've read so far, Hesse seems to be working at a story that would revive a middle-aged man's sense of life's innate heroism, rekindle his sense of faith and meaning, lighten some of the weight of memory and habit, and finally reconcile him to impending death. Not exactly a brew for kids.

At fifty, it's a lot easier to see all the stuff about suicide and sex and death and magic and immortality as useful symbols rather than as thrilling romance. Just by a natural inclination, I discount it all by half and arrive at a more sane interpretation of what Hesse was driving at - I think.

Anyway, that's a long-winded answer to the question of what I'm reading now.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

a supposedly fun thing i'll never do again by dfw. i've skimmed thru it and it's fantastic and confirms my feelings about the guy (he should stick to non-fiction), tho now i'll prob. have to revisit his fiction eventually. bought it for the illinois state fair essay (it's that time again here), but the other stuff looks v promising. i like how he repeatedly and none-too-subtly suggets lynch may be a sociopath in the d. lynch essay.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Hit another dry spot. Stopped reading "Holy Blood Holy Grail" about halfway through after getting tired of its ridiculousness, started "Palace Walk" by Naguib Mahfouz but couldn't get into it, now started "Tales of Hoffman" by ETA Hoffman, which I am enjoying much more.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 August 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

(Who is the mod on this board? Seward? Could they take care of spam on the "judge a book by it's cover" thread? And/or make me a mod?)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

all books ought to be named in the manner of 'tales of hoffman'.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

Chris, someone has flagged that spam over on the mod request forum, but ILX as a whole seems to be being bombarded a bit at the moment, so they're very busy trying to figure out what to do about it.

Hang on, I'll start a thread.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

I finished "The Fifth Corner of the Room" which ends weakly but is I think, a deceptively skilful bit of writing in the way that the chirpy tone in which the various ongoing personal and social disasters are told is slowly chipped away into a kind of flat, grey grimness. This despite the non-chronological narrative.

Not what I'd call a bundle of laughs, mind.

I am now reading "The Messenger" by Mayra Montero. I quite like Mayra Montero, although the two of her novels I've read before aren't really the sort of thing I usually enjoy (they're both sweaty, voodoo-ridden spooked affairs). This one's set in Cuba so I suppose won't strictly be voodoo-related but seems likely to be along the same lines. And I think it features Caruso, which can't be a bad thing.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

Accent, I've flagged it as well, but I'm not sure if the mods of ILB read the Mod Request Forum. So that means one of the code monkeys has to fix it, and they have better things to do (and it takes longer for them).

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I didn't bother finishing Peacock. I think you either read it in one sitting or not at all.

I have started Shake! by Yvonne Roberts, which was so engrossing on the train this morning I forgot all about security alerts and stuff and was therefore surprised to see so many police at Paddington.

I think this is high praise indeed.

I bet I won't finish it either though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm (slowly) reading The Adventure of English by his Lord Highness Bragg of Beebshire. It's pretty good, but I do get a bit bogged down in his prose at times.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

I finished Klosterman's "Sex, Drugs and Cocoa Puffs" (which was for a book club) - some funny moments, but mostly about TV shows that I never watched, so of limited appeal, I guess - and now I'm reading Elizabeth Hardwick's "Sleepless Nights" (which is nice & short at around 100 pages).

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)


The debates and decrees of the Vatican Council II

Armed and dangerous : memoirs of a Chicago policewoman

Land Ho (dymaxia), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

v. woolf, "a room of one's own"
e. linklater, "private angelo"

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

just finished Lucky Jim finally. held no appeal to me until i heard that it was a "campus novel" which somehow pushed it over the edge into "i should actually read this" land. quite liked some bits. lodge's introduction makes the love stuff out to be shallow, but i thought it wasn't bad, and maybe innovative too, for the time.

lodge makes extravagent claims for the comic voice tho as being a relatively new and distinct one when it broke. these days it seems a dime a dozen, so i wonder how new it was. i know it's a stretch, but as far as precedents (i'm not bang-up on funny british lit so i've gotta reach) it has the same modernist comedy-of-manners touch as say, musil. maybe the difference is it ends so terribly pleasantly?

Secundus Covarient (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

'modernist comedy-of-manners touch as say, musil'

?!???

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

the humor of interaction -- all in the delivery of the author, the pacing of the lines, the anxiety of appearances, the internal monologue on whas is "proper" vs. what the character would LIKE to do. the tension that the main character is infinitely more interesting than they are allowed to act. & of course the class dynamic played against the breakup of the ancien regime.

Secundus Covarient (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to start reading Franz Kafka - The Trial tonight

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Derrida!

the bellefox, Monday, 15 August 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Just finished 'One Pill Makes You Smaller' by Lisa Dierbeck. Yet another trippy take on Lewis Carroll, but a pretty devastating story for all that.

Now reading 'Small Island' which is nicely gripping.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Were you inspired after that conference, pinefox?

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Seemed I had a short period of not being able to read novels, so I've been doing short stories the past week.
Now back with "River of Gods" and having a pretty good time with it. Also started Süskind's Perfume and a small collection of short stories by Fjodor Sologub.

Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Finished Thomas Lynch's Booking Passage last week and started Elliot Perlman's Seven Types of Ambiguity. It's taken me several chapters to figure out what's going on, but it's enjoyable enough.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Monday, 15 August 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I finished "The Messenger" which I think is not as good as the two other Mayro Montero novels I've read ("You, Darkness" and "The Red Of His Shadow") but maybe it's just that two MM novels are enough. There's lots of namechecking of Cuban Gods and their powers. Because I'm utterly ignorant of that stuff, it may as well have been made up, so for me it became a bit like reading Tolkein.

Tonight I will finish Roy Keane's autobiography. I haven't read a footballer's autobiography for a long, long time. I wonder if they are all so badly-paced?

Next I think I will try to find something Irish on my shelves which I haven't read before. I wonder if there is anything? If not, the pleasure of Myles.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 August 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Mary McCarthy, a bit.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 August 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Stop press: I have now officially finished the 50 Book Challenge! What do I do with the other 5 months of the year?

Archel (Archel), Monday, 15 August 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

k/l: I would like to say yes. But not necessarily.

TH: I am trying to think of another Irish book for you, though I did not do too well with the last one. Do you like Ciaran Carson? I think I can imagine that you could. My favourite book of his is The Star Factory.

Maybe you would like Patrick McCabe, too, or Glenn Patterson (whose book That Which Was stands blue as the sky on my shelf). Actually, there is a load that you might like. John McGahern, for instance. Also, Roddy Doyle - I like the Last Round-Up sequence so far!

But I should not be distracting anyone from Myles.

The other night I turned off the radio before Janice Long came on and looked for something to read in bed. I lit in the end on Heaney, and reread a run of early poems - things like 'The Peninsula' and 'Personal Helicon'. Despite everything (whatever that is), I find that I still return to Heaney more than to almost any other poet. Perhaps it is the sheer bareness of those thin quatrains - the toughness of finding the meat of meaning on those bones.

the finefox, Monday, 15 August 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

On Food And Cooking by Harold McGee.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 15 August 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I've gone back to Gravity's Rainbow.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Stop press: I have now officially finished the 50 Book Challenge! What do I do with the other 5 months of the year?

I tried to keep track of everything I read after the 50 (last year?), and failed miserably. Good on ya though!

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Geez, I'm only 20 books in.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Monday, 15 August 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Chang-rae Lee - Native Speaker

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Jedidiah, my dad just gave me a copy of Seven Types of Ambiguity yesterday. I'm looking forward to digging in.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

All I'm reading now is that new Belle & Sebastian biography.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

wtf is the 50 book challenge?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 August 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

to read 50 books in a year.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 August 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

The answer to my unread-Irish-books-on-my-shelves problem (I can see you all troubling your seat edges) is "No More Than Human" by Maura Laverty. It's set in County Madrid. I am enjoying it very much so far, although (because?) it's not very demanding. On the back it says it's "enchantingly funny" and I don't feel in a position to argue with that.

I would like to read something disenchantingly funny.

(PF your Eagleton recommendation was a good one, and thanks. TTATI is an interesting and entertaining thing, but you know it has its problems. It also made an ideal gift for a friend of mine who has something of a fixation on his (possibly fictitious) Irish roots and who was at school with TE.)

Roy Keane, it turns out, is a bit of a plank. But I've always had a soft spot for monomaniacs.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

Mo-Jo - specifically the Paul McCartney and Kraftwerk interviews. Most entertaining.

Maybe I should read Rip It Up And Start Again next. I seem to be "in the mood".

But only reading, not listening.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

Bush does some heavy lifting on his vacation

No trendy GenX novels for him...

whiteout (bobnope), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Finally reading the Raymond Carver stories and kicking myself for putting it off for so long. What wonderful little nuggets of life.

This will be book 25 for me; I wasn't aiming for 50, but I could come close if I applied myself. Do Gidget books count?

zan, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

"After surviving six attempts on his life, Alexander II was assassinated by a group of anarchists who tossed home-made bombs at the emperor as he was riding in his carriage on the streets of St. Petersburg. They had plotted the attack for weeks, operating out of an apartment across the hall from the writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky."

holy shit! how much hyperbole is involved here?

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I finished Girl in Landscape a few nights ago. I liked it quite a bit, but my expectations weren't very high. It reminded me of some of the Young Adult-marketed sci-fi I read as a kid, except better written. I wonder if it could have been marketed that way, or if the '15 yr old girl lusting after creepy older man' bits prevented that.

Now I'm a few chapters into David Mitchell's Ghostwritten.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

so now i'm reading something happened by joseph heller mostly cuzza stuff people have written about it on this very web-forum. oh, and i just finished reading housekeeping by marilynne robinson for the 2nd time. first time was years ago. it's still brilliant, in case you were wondering.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

scott, i'm nearly finished Housekeeping. i... kinda like it but, for me, it's nowhere near the book "Gilead" is. that's a huge towering masterpiece. even while i was reading it i knew it was going to be a top ten book for me and, indeed, it is.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

over and over again i found i had to stop reading "Gilead" because i was crying AT THE BEAUTY OF IT and that is not a word of a lie. please read it.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

I will read Gilead. I'm looking forward to it. But there is trepidation too. What if she waits another 15 or 20 years before writing another one? I will read it slowly. I read a complete chapter of Housekeeping aloud to my 3-month old son and he was digging it. That book was made to be read aloud. Like good poetry. I came to Housekeeping the book, way back when, via the movie! Which I also love.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

oh, since you have a son you will love it even more.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm still reading Fragrant Harbour and really enjoying it, but not finding a lot of time to read at the moment. I'm also reading Robert Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, because I've never read anything by him before.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

Monkey, what's TMAHM like? My brother read RH when I was little and I've always assumed ihis stuff wouldn't be for me, but I've been listening to the Jimmy Webb song "The Moon's A Harsh Mistress" (versions: Glen Campbell's, and Jimmy Webb's own) and suddenly I'm interested.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

Richard Yates, Cold Spring Harbour and Easter Parade. I have strong reservations about Yates (too gloomy, can't write dialogue for toffee) but I still adore his books and will probably read everything I can find (+ the biog).

frankiemachine, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Tim! Shockingly, this is exactly the reason I picked it up as well (check out the Judy Collins version, which is on the Jimmy Webb compilation "Someone Left the Cake Out In the Rain", because that's my favourite). It's good so far, proper sci fi funny speech patterns and dystopian future. But I'm only about 50 pages in, so I haven't gotten to the meat of it yet.

I don't think I would ever have picked up a Heinlein book, except that this one is part of the Gollancz classic sci fi series and the other books I've read in that series have been great. Apart from Zelazny's Lord of Light, which appears to be wishy-washy hippy nonsense.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

I think I don't like Judy's voice, but I suppose this isn't the place for this. Oh, but what a song.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Accentmonkey, you have a much higher tolerance for 50's SF than I do. I read about 50 pages of TMiaHM a couple of years ago, and it drove me up the wall. One smug lecture after another, with the characters taking it in turns to play guru and idiot.
Speaking of, hands up who believes that Bush is really reading those three books on his vacation, and not listening to someone read him one-page summaries while he's in the gym?

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

finished paul griffiths bk on 20th century classical - covers most of it up to early 80s very well (update versh from the early 90s). balanced enough, no bias towards anything in particurlar, and some great pics of graphic scores.

'four jazz lives' by spellmann (orig 'four lives in the bebop business): lots of surprising detail and quite a bit here even if you were to listen and dislike the music.

still reading lenin on hegel. seems useful (besides the actual content) as a guide on how to approach philosophical texts.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Accentmonkey, you have a much higher tolerance for 50's SF than I do. I read about 50 pages of TMiaHM a couple of years ago, and it drove me up the wall. One smug lecture after another, with the characters taking it in turns to play guru and idiot.

Ah, don't say that. Now I'm going to be reading it thinking "Ray is right! These people are taking it turns to play guru and idiot! I have been cheated!"

Speaking of, hands up who believes that Bush is really reading those three books on his vacation, and not listening to someone read him one-page summaries while he's in the gym?

I only know about Salt, which is mostly recipes, from what I remember. What are the other two?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

i wuv 'lord of light'

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Bush is reading "Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar" by Edvard Radzinsky and "The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History" by John M. Barry.
A journalist, disguised as a cactus, saw him sit on the porch of his ranch and read right them through, taking notes and frowning attentively every now and again.

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

Stick with the Heinlein, it's well worth it. I recently found an "uncut" copy of Stranger in a Strange Land at a library sale that's about a third bigger than the original book and I can't wait to crack it open.

I actually prefer Heinlein's later stuff like To Sail Beyond the Sunset and The Cat Who Walks Through Walls to his "Golden Age" stuff. He's probably the only SF author I liked as a teenager that I still get the urge to read anymore.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

I am currently reading Collapse by Jared Diamond - subtitled something like: How Societies Choose To Fail or Succeed. I'm a bit more than halfway through it.

It presents many scenarios drawn from history and archaeology where a society has established itself, seemed to thrive and then flamed out in some sort of self-inflicted disaster. Examples: Easter Island, the Norse Greenland colony of Eric the Red, the Maya of Yucatan. It shows how environmental distress and long-continued bad choices contributed to their collapse.

Alternatively, he presents scenarios of several societies coping with these stresses successfully. Examples: Tokugawa Japan dealing with deforestation problems, islands in Polynesia learning to deal with isolation and sustainability issues.

In the last part of the book I haven't read he gathers examples from modern states, then draws up broad conclusions on how to avoid getting driven to the wall as a society.

Impressions: It's a great concept and it assembles a large mass of information and mostly manages to synthesize it. There's a lot of incisive thinking going on here, even if it's not quite as fresh or new as Guns, Germs and Steel.

The only problem is that it seems a bit doughy and underdone, like it needed a longer time in the oven. I expect the publisher was overly anxious to capitalize on the success of Guns, Germs and Steel and rushed it out about a year too soon. It's not like it's badly written or organized, it's just a bit on the slack side and could have used some tightening up. This happens a lot these days.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

JtN gave me an even better version of that song.

the bellefox, Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

He also gave me, another time, Robert Hewison's In Anger, which I started today. It's solid and ought to be useful; I should really have read it and its companion volumes years ago.

the pinefox, Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Master and Commander by Patrick O'Brian.

I am not that keen on The Moon's A Harsh Mistress, or at least, I wasn't.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 19 August 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

The Search for a Nonviolent Future by Michael Nagler
Since I've had my baby I felt I was bound to try to be a better person to build a better world for her. I guess it is very common and maybe banal. But I found that whenever I remember to apply compassionate and nonviolent strategies in my relationships, my life and world really gets much better.

misshajim (strand), Friday, 19 August 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

I've been reading a load of Christopher Brookmyre. For some reason I only like crime fiction when it's set in Edinburgh. Half way through Alexei Sayle's Overtaken, which isn't particularly good. I'll go back to the collected Lee Harwood when I'm done with it, by way of a palate cleanser.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I found Brookmyre peaked with One Fine Day in the Middle of the Night and A Big Boy Did It and Ran Away, so if you haven't read them yet, put them on your list. But he seems to be coasting downhill these days.

Ray (Ray), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

Why didn't anyone warn me about how depressing Carver is? I'm reading a nice story with a tender moment between a father and his son over formerly tobacco-stained hands, and then all of a sudden a couple is having a violent fight over a baby, and countless couples are arguing in rooms and throwing things. It was seriously getting me down.

So... I'm now reading The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon. I'll come back to Carver when I feel like being reminded of how horrible humans can be. (This is not a knock on his prose; I really enjoyed his writing, but I just couldn't handle the themes.)

zan, Friday, 19 August 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

read 'cathedral', zan!

'now we're cooking with gas!'

i have been reading:

collins, 'interaction ritual chains', esp. the chapter on smoking rituals

berlin alexanderplatz, still: franz biberkopf has just re-joined pums' gang

a bit of 'molloy' for pure pleasure, the part where moran is preparing to depart with his idiot son

bits of berryman's dream songs

Josh (Josh), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

The best part of Molloy, one of the best parts of any writing ever, is where he describes his stone sucking/pocketing ritual.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Josh: ...because it's somehow happier? I've heard Cathedral is his best stuff, but I don't think I could handle the emotions for a while. And perhaps this deserves a separate thread, but I don't even think it's the sadness that gets to me, but the fact that it's so stark. I prefer Flannery O'Connor's brand of sadness because there's something beautiful and robust in it, almost caricaturish, whereas with Carver, it was so real and devoid of any flourish that it just made me feel so empty and hurt. (A sign of the greatness of both: one is so sad it's beautiful, while the other is able to invoke deep depression in a normally happy gal.)

zan, Friday, 19 August 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

if you think carver was stark, stay away from richard yates. a lot of his best stuff (which i love) makes me wince so hard. it's like getting punched in the stomach. but in a good way!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

ruskin on goths

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Time's Arrow. So far, I am unconvinced. It feels like a risky gimmick with scant reward. But 100pp or so to go.

the pinefox, Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the warning, Scott!

zan, Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

earthfasts

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 20 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, I should reread Earthfasts. And then get some more Mayne on my shelves.

Time's Arrow is the only Amis book I've read, either M or K. I did quite like it, although I was an impressionably teenager at the time.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 20 August 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Just finished:

Kafka's "The Trial" (for about the third time)

I am now working on these concurrently:

"The Monk" -- Lewis
"The Plague" -- Camus
"Brighton Rock" -- Graham Greene
"Selected Poems" -- Langston Hughes

mj (robert blake), Sunday, 21 August 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Pinefox, why are you reading so much Amis?

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 August 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

zan, maybe, but i specifically meant the story by that title. also: it is possible that in the years intervening since i last read it i have forgotten about the sad part.


randall collins, 'sociological insight'
lawrence stone, 'the family, sex, and marriage in england 1500-1800'
a bit more of 'molloy', where moran has become lame and delivers instructions to his idiot son to walk to hole and buy a bicycle, second-hand preference

Josh (Josh), Monday, 22 August 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

Someone chose Korba the Dread as their under-appreciated classic in the Observer.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

Jed, I am writing about him. A deadline looms.

PJM, did you see the revived Morley thread (Remember the Name!) about that feature? I thought some of the underrated treasures were not that underrated.

the bellefox, Monday, 22 August 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

BTW - I finished T'sA. Possibly I was too harsh on this harsh book. Perhaps the reversal gains a cumulative effect, and genuinely estranges time's passage somewhat.

the bellefox, Monday, 22 August 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

I did not see it, no, but I thought about You Lot when I saw the Observer's Morleyfest. I will look now.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 August 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading The Adventure of English (still). My stack of books is getting dengerously low as I can't seem to get to the library lately... perhaps I will commit the heinous crime of reading the books I bought for my friend's birthday: Four Colours Suffice and The Winter Queen.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Crime? It's a quality control check, making sure all the pages are there, in the right order, no excessive typos, etc. Surely it's a good thing to do!

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

As log as you don't break the spine*, and manage to finish the book before your friend's birthday. Avoiding the embarassing situation where you hand over, say, Infinite Jest, and then grab it back 'just for a few days'.

*or dog-ear the pages, not that anyone here would do anything like that

Ray (Ray), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Just finished Elizabeth Hardwick's Sleepless Nights (great), and am now starting Viktor Pelevin's The Life of Insects.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I am going to read some amis, at ally c's behest

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

haha ray - i'm a dog earer and proud of it. paperbacks are practical things to be used. semi disposable, not precious objects.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

I was waiting for someone to say that. I will not lend you my books, Jed, but of course you can do what you want with yours!

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 22 August 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

i don't really write in my books or bend their pages more out of foresight than anything else. i'm waiting to make marks that i'll think are worth keeping!

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

Rip It Up And Start Again by Simon Reynolds.

I can't be arsed with Master and Commander, although it is very good. Nautical but nice, would be my review headline.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Jed. Though I do draw the line at dog-earing books meant for gifts...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

Bookmarks were invented for a reason people...

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

'invisible republic'. anyone care to lend me the harry smith anthology of american folk music? no? okay.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

I just lose bookmarks... usually I don't even dogear either, I just close the book and find the place again later.

We just had that on loan from our local music library, tom. try the library!

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm a-goin' on holidays tomorrow, which means BOOK CHOICES! I think I'm going to abandon The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Apart from the fact that I suspect Ray was right about it, it's in hardback and it's just too big to bring along.

So I need to pick out about five books from the stack inside to take with me. Hooray! This is the kind of choice I love being faced with.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

My challenge to you: Pick (the only) five books that don't have sailing ships on the cover!

Currently reading Don Quixote, because of the recent discussion on the 50 books thread. It's funny - okay, the book is funny, but also the _situation_ is funny, because I bounced off this a few years ago, after only reading one or two chapters, and now I can't figure out why, because it's funny. Even in the super-cheap Wrodswor!h edition.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

My challenge to you: Pick (the only) five books that don't have sailing ships on the cover!

Um, I, er, um, hang on...

Okay, I've weeded out The Pirate Wars and Under the Black Flag, which I was going to take. Instead I am taking

Philippa Gregory's The Wise Woman. Two things must ye know of the wise woman. No, wait, it's about passion and betrayal in Tudor England.
James Morrow's This is the Way the World Ends. According to the NY Times Book Review "if Kurt Vonnegut had collaborated with Jonathan Schell on an antinuclear novel, this might be the result", which strikes me as a little like an introduction to a bad impersonation (if Robert De Niro was doing the washing up, how might that sound?), but we'll give it a go.
Joe Bennett's A Land of Two Halves, which is a travel/humour book about New Zealand, which someone gave me as a present (the book, not New Zealand (do you see what I did? DO YOU?)). I'm not sure about travel/humour books. Let's face it, it has to be really fucking funny to be funnier than my mates. We shall see.
Daphne du Maurier's Hungry Hill, because Mikey G was singing her praises last year. What ever happened to Mikey anyway?
Colm Toibin's The Master, blah blah, Booker shortlist, blah. I've never read one of his books.

And that's it! Not one sailing ship to be seen, but I reserve the right to purchase books with pictures of sailing ships on them while I am away. Ray, let us know how Don Quixote goes for you. I really should read it too.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

Accentmonkey, I read that Morrow book a few years back and I liked it a lot.

I'm near finishing Cloud Atlas, then starting Rip It Up... Have just put in an Amazon order for next month's holiday reading, consisting of Paul Morley's Nothing, Charles Portis' The Dog Of The South and Carlo Levi's Christ Stopped At Eboli.

mog, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

accentmonkey: I'm in the same boat. I'm in the middle of The Shadow of the Wind, so it'll probably go in the suitcase, unless I somehow miraculously manage to find time to finish it before I go.

I might bring along South of the Border, West of the Sun if only so that I might, in the seclusion of a French villa, convince my husband to finally read some Murakami (he's taking some Tony Parsons and Houellebecq). I have an ARC of Rushdie's new book that I might bring along, but I've never managed to like a Rushdie book, so that could just be dead weight in the suitcase.

Otherwise, I'll be shopping in the Birkenhead Waterstone's on our pit stop before we head to France. Any recommendations for books that just came out in the UK? Or is everything there just more of what I'd find here (NYC)?

zan, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Don Quixote is one for _after_ you've read your annual 50 books, because its a slow read and a big book. Not a difficult read by any means (apart from all the bloody typos), just not very fast. And it really is funny.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

I just got sidetracked while looking for dissertation-related books in the university library, and have now started reading 'You're a Brick Angela!' about the history of girl's stories. I also picked up a biology book about sexuality and gender called 'Evolution's Rainbow' I think, but put it back because it was too heavy...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm about halfway through Seven Types of Ambiguity right now, and I'm enjoying it immensely. Usually when I'm reading something, even when it's a book that I love, part of me wants to finish it as fast as possible so I can start something else; not so with this one. At the risk of sounding like a dustjacket quote, it's absolutely enthralling.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Jed. Though I do draw the line at dog-earing books meant for gifts...
-- Archel (slightlyfoxe...) (webmail), August 23rd, 2005 9:43 AM. (Archel) (later) (link)

wait, do you read books you give as gifts?!

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

I usually wait until after they've read it, and usually I only do this to roommates or relatives.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

I've read books before wrapping them, cheeky though it is. But even my own books will often look untouched when I've read them, and I used to take extra care with gifts.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't, in general, cozen. I was just debating the ethics of it upthread because I'd run out of books of my own.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

: )

I was being disingenuous anyway because I've read gift books before

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

The new Aimee Bender book of short stories. Also, I'm rereading The Virgin Suicides. I just finished The History of Love and really liked it.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Friday, 26 August 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

lefebvre on the french revolution

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 26 August 2005 05:28 (twenty years ago)

Herodotus: The Histories. I'm a third of the way through and it is so far very nice.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 26 August 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

I want to buy a copy of The Histories. I want to buy the edition which was lavishly illustrated by Edward Bawden. Mostly I want to look at the pictures. I am torn between lashing a ton of cash on the Limited Edition Book Club edition, signed by Mr. Bawden, or spending a much smaller sum on the unsigned-but-otherwise-more-or-less-equivalent-and-every-bit-as-beautiful Heritage edtion. My brain says do the sensible thing and that the signature is the least important part of the whole thing. But in my chest beats the heart of a shameful artefact obsessive.

I finally finished reading "No More Than Human" which is by no means great - in fact I found it something of a slog - but contains some glorious passages of sly observation, so I'm glad I read it.

Now I'm reading "Make Believe" by Joanna Scott.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 26 August 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

greil marcus 'lipstick traces'

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 26 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Just finished Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince and started on Orphan Pamuk's Snow. I thought HP was superb although it fell away right at the end, the recapitulation of what happened "offstage" during the big fight was very poorly done. All the same another reminder that a novel doesn't need "fine writing" to be effective (and of course of the converse, that novels that are "well written" are often mediocre).

Snow has started quite brilliantly.

frankiemachine, Friday, 26 August 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Tim! I have on my desk the hot new novel by Bernardo Atxaga. But it is in foreign, and it is not mine.

The signature thing - will its value increase?

I'm kind of off "things" so I probably wouldn't get it anyway.

In fact I hate "things".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 26 August 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

Just dash me off a quick translation of the Atxaga would you PJ? Thanks.

Things are so pretty, sometimes.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 26 August 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

Had a rather literary lunch with Cozen, yesterday. Now he is taking the plunge on Amis, which pleases me no end.

I will be choosing a new book to read next week. I am informed I should cure my misogyny by reading more - or any - novels by women.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 26 August 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Tim, buy the regular edition and forge the signature. Easy peasy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

How is the new Bender? I'm looking forward to reading it, I thoroughly enjoyed The Girl in the Flammable Skirt.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Recently read: Carson Mccullers - The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter,
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - Cancer Ward, Don DeLillo - Cosmopolis

Currently reading: Don DeLillo - White Noise

Will probably read next: Daniel Defoe - A Journal Of The Plague Year

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm kind of off "things" so I probably wouldn't get it anyway.

In fact I hate "things".

Things by George Perec? I couldn't read it either.

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 26 August 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Bosh. Things is great!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 26 August 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I really like the new Bender. She is great. I never actually read all of The Girl in the Flammable Skirt but was a big fan of her novel.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

gadamer - truth and method
harold garfinkel - studies in ethnomethodology
natsuo kirino - out

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 27 August 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

a lecarre novel based on philby.
next up -- some mary mccarthy.
then maybe finally more history.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 27 August 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Half-Blood Prince, because it was cheap.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Saturday, 27 August 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

With much trepidation, I've started Gravity's Rainbow. So far, I'm enjoying it very much. Page 30 or so with hundreds to go.

In looking for a dictionary I was sure we had somewhere (our bookshelves are completely disorganized), I found a copy of Riddley Walker, which I haven't read in years but was reminded of here. So perhaps that's next.

I finished Patricia Rain's Vanilla, which was interesting but seemed to have quite an agenda behind it. Then, I saw on the back flap that she is the CEO of vanilla.COMpany, which explained a lot. She is the self-styled Vanilla Queen; the Vanilla King lives in my town, and I'm wondering if his wife knows.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 27 August 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

As usual, the return of academic work has caused a regression in my reading habits, so I'm reading Pigeon Post. It's great!

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

Cosa Nostra: A History of the Sicilian Mafia by John Dickie. I haven't read non-fiction since... ooh, since the Biography of London, which was ages ago and I'm rather liking it. 150+ years of intrigue and gore in a hot climate: perfect summer holiday reading.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

I finished The Wise Woman. It was rubbish, far too much like Paul Verhoeven's "Flesh and Blood" for my liking. Am now reading Daphne du Maurier's Hungry Hill, which is satisfyingly romantic despite its shaky grasp of Irish geography.

I'm far away in Canada!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Just started Rupert Thomson's The Insult

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Alain de Botton's "How Proust Can Change Your Life" which is clever, funny and a joy to read. Also it was written when he was 27 *gulp*.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

I can't decide what to read next. Was going to start the new Bret Easton Ellis but am not sure if I want to read that. I always think about it way too much, as I don't want to WASTE MY TIME. Maybe I'll just reread a favorite. Does anyone else have this problem? Although I can take 30 minutes deciding what to eat for dinner, so I guess I'm just indecisive.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm voraciously ploughing through "Don Quixote" right now; almost finished with part one -- just another eighty pages or so. I hope the second part is as good as the first one.

I've also got some H.G. Wells and other assorted sci-fi that I'll probably read soon.

mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

just read LeCarre's "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" which was awesome and also based heavily on Philby. I wanna go on a LeCarre kick, but I have some other history reading to catch up on 1st.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

I finished "Make Believe" which I think might be excelent but I'm not wholly sure, and now I'm starting on "Nothing" by Henry Green, at last.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I can stop reading Amis, soon.

Mind you, his old book reviews are still fantastic.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

I am reading this goddamn Henry VIII biography by Alison Weir but it's taking forever because she's spending like the first 1/3 of the book "setting the scene" by talking about all the stuff that Henry VIII had instead of just getting to the biographical info. I might buy a book about reggae tonight, in which case it's going to be hard to resist giving up on Henry the VIII to learn more about reggae.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

A Game of Thrones by George R R Martin.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I hear the board game based on that book is pretty good.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I took Nothing and a load of other unread or unfinished books to the charity shop yesterday. Well, we are going to have to move house again and I don't want to hump them about.

Still reading (and enjoying) Rip It Up And Start Again. I am on New Pop now.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 1 September 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Summer = Fun reading list (now that it's almost over)

Meeting Evil Thomas Berger
The Poet Michael Connelly
The Lincoln Lawyer Michael Connelly
The Black Echo Michael Connelly
Drama City George Pelecanos

Under The Banner of Heaven Jon Krakauer: not exactly "fun" but riveting study of Mormonism and its extremist offshoots

still working on Dream Boogie Peter Guralnick's upcoming Sam Cooke biography. It's as good a music bio as I've ever read.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 1 September 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

I tried reading The Closing of the Western Mind, Harold Bloom, about the period of Christian ascendency and the supression of the Greco-Roman philosophical-religious tradition, but I found he was mostly covering ground I already had covered in my own reading, so I quit after 100 pages. (Gibbon did it better.)

I've been enjoying dipping into The Collected Poems of Kenneth Rexroth quite a bit. Very worthwhile.

I took a beat-up old copy of a Penguin edition of Livy called Early History of Rome, on an overnight hike and read about 150 pages, while sitting in various beauty spots high on Mt. Hood. Cinncinnatus at the plow, Horatio at the bridge, the Rape of Lucretia -- chauvinist mythology at its finest.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 1 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Has nobody read anything since Thursday??

I stayed up til 3am finishing Pigeon Post - oh no! fallen-in mine workings! oh no! - and am now inspired to revisit all the Ransome I can.

In the meantime I still haven't felt like reading grown-up books so I read Jennings Goes to School (wizard) and Confessions of A Teenage Drama Queen (ozard).

Archel (Archel), Monday, 5 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

I finished "Nothing" and I loved it to tiny bits, I'm sorry you thought it not much cop PJM.

Then I read "Fup" by Jim Dodge, which I also totally adored. Now I'm realding "Light" by Craig Taylor. I picked it up because my football team used to have a player by that name (Craig Taylor, not "Light"). I'm enjoying it, but it feels a bit like comfort literature.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 5 September 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Next month you must only read books with TWO words in the title.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

fup is maybe the cutest novel ever. i dunno if that be a recommendation.

i am reading 'riddley walker' and 'underworld' and this place is to blame.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Yes Fup has a cute kind of twee scabrousness (scabrosity?). I know that's a recommendation.

Crikey Archel I didn't even notice the one-word-title thing as I was typing that post, but I'll try to carry on for the rest of the month. Which means "The Knight On The Bridge" by William Watson will go back on the pile, and also means I may have to buy another couple of Henry Green novels, what a shame...

Tim (Tim), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading a crappy sci-fi book. I mean it's crappy in the way a techno can't compose more than a sentence at a time. Each next sentence has a 50% chance of starting with the same word because said techno guy doesn't remember that he has started more than 50% of the previous sentences with that same fucking word!

For Jebus sake!!!

SRH (Skrik), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Name and shame!

Ray., Monday, 5 September 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I have finished Rip It Up And Start Again. I shall comment on it elsewhere, in a place more likely to raise hackles.

I started Fishmarket Close by Inspector Rebus, but it was unpleasant, all rape and murder.

I put it aside and started (again) bumshoving epic In The Line Of Beauty. Compared to Inspector Rebus, it is wonderful indeed.

I suppose I would have liked Nothing if my mind had not been in such a turmoil. I have a 3-in-1 Henry Green, Loving, Living, Party Going, which you can have Tim, if you want it. My mind is in turmoil, I cannot read anything that requires effort or an attention span.

Today I have been poorly.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

I am playing a video game so Herodotus is mostly on hold.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

I've only just noticed that, upthread, someone read Tinker Tailer Soldier Spy recently. I just wanted to say that I *love* the ending, because the closing scene is, as far as I can remember, of Smiley getting off a train at Grimsby Town station and trying to find the bus he needs to catch, which is something I've had to do many many times myself in the past. It's nice to imagine bumping into him at the Bethlehem Street bus stop.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

"Soul" by Andrey Platonov.

PJM: you're a Prince, but I have two of those already and so I think I will be a collector boy and hold out for the matching Harvill edition of "Party Going". Also I certainly won't be able to read it until two-word October, or Archel will be angry.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

what video-game, chris?

I am reading a book!

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I spent a sleepless night after realising I'd offered a two-word title.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps this can be my adaptation of the fifty book challenge next year - 1 word titles in January, 2 word titles in February, and so on. There must be SOME books with 12 words in the title, though I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Sorry you are poorly, PJM.

I am reading 'How to Dunk a Doughnut' by Len Fisher. Food science!

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

I am better now, Archel! Bit of a dicky tummy still, but never mind. Thank you, though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

Hyphenated titles would nbe a mid-month must!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

i have a PLAN for the month of SEPTEMBER: to read through all the prominent sources i have selected in preparation for my DISSERTATION PROPOSAL. but i'm not reading any of them yet.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

I am reading "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad Pavic, which I think I'm probably not reading as closely as I should be because I'm excited about finishing it and getting to read the book about reggae by Lloyd Bradley. After that, probably At Swim Two Birds.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm at about the halfway point of Gravity's Rainbow and have learned not to even think about snacking while reading. I am engrossed by it, nonetheless. I read the first few pages of a novel called The Baker's Apprentice, thinking it would make a nice respite to all the rocket science and conditioned response of GR, but no, it was just a badly disguised bodice-ripper with too many brand names and much cloying twee-ness.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm playing Zelda/Wind Waker.

I read it ages and ages ago, but I seem to recall Dictionary of the Khazars as being dull and skimmable. A few good bits and a nice overall conceit but... meh.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I finished Hungry Hill, which got good and political at the end. I must read more Du Maurier.

Currently reading This is the Way the World Ends. It's very good so far.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know what to get from the library. Ended up with:
Don DeLillo - The Body Artist
Rupert Thomson - The Book Of Revelation
Marilynne Robinson - Gilead

I think thats the order I'll read them in

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

i am packing to move house. today i managed to reread two pages of the demolished man because i found a folder in which i had written the lyrics to the song the guy plays in his head.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

Eight, sir; seven sir!

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

grasping at straws there, tom!

i read the foreword and the preface, but not yet the introduction, the hofstadter i just bought.

straws!

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

the wind waker!

prepare to be frustrated

there's so much good in that game

it's a shame the map-collecting / boating ruined it

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)

took a detour to reread gaddis' JR but also I have Davis' history of the atlantic economies which looks delicious and i just bought an abe novel too.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading The Closed Circle by Jonathan Coe, a very funny portarait of Blair's Britain at the turn of the millenium. There's just been a great swearing gag.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Which Hofstadter are you reading Josh?

jedidiah (jedidiah), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I've just finished Alfred Jarry's The Supermale, and am about to start on Ackroyd's Dan Leno and the Limehouse Golem

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Wait nevermind, Richard not Douglas. I got kind of excited, I've never known anyone else who made it through Godel Escher Bach

jedidiah (jedidiah), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Really? I made it through when I was in college. It wasn't that difficult a book to get through.

Wind Waker is no Ocarina of Time. Endless, endless sailing. But it's more puzzle oriented and less "kill! kill!" than previous Zeldas -- I'm actually zipping along quickly and have only died, like, three times, which is odd for me.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I didn't think it was that difficult either, but to clarify, I do live in Texas...

jedidiah (jedidiah), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I just finished The Points of My Compass, a collection of essays by E.B. White from circa 1955-1960. Most of them were quite good. A few were rather dated.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Jed -- I've read GEB three times all the way through and have enjoyed it more each time. One of my faves, and the bibliography is a treasure trove of excellent books on number theory, philosophy, art, music and so forth. Godel is not one of those guys who is easy to 'get', but if you can catch DH's drift it opens an new window on understanding the philosophical path of the 20th century. Metamagical themas is also very good.

Docpacey (docpacey), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

I had a class that briefly touched on Godel in college, but I didn't 'get' it at all, and the prof didn't spend near enough the time she should have on it; that was actually my impetus for reading GEB. It is pretty amazing the way Hofstadter basically uses his three subjects as a springboard to set up not just the problems with AI, but how and why we perceive things as 'beautiful'. I picked up Metamagical Themas recently, it's in my To Be Read stack.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

just tore through james hynes' "Lecturer's Tale" which was recommended by foax on the "trashy, funny, mid-list" thread. It started hella strong, and the 2nd chapter's whole sentimental education riff was awesome, but really trailed off in the last third. The heavy literary allusive humor was meh in the big climax, and the big boom ending was completely unearned and somewhat unsatisfying for that reason. It really worked better as a smaller scale novel. For a satire of ideas rather than manners, he gives pretty good with the impersonations of the difft styles of lit-stardom, all of which are half-believable in their characatured form, but then when he sets them against another they collapse into something much shallower. Also he couldn't pull off the big big setpieces really well -- a manic party scene near the end had the potential to be totally delicious, but he couldn't crosscut the chaos enough, and the elvis vietnam flik riff was far short of what it coulda been -- it felt like just didn't have the courage to *go for it*. Still, a totally funny and worthwhile book.

Metamagical Themas is awesome by the way! Totally difft then GEB, but better for it -- less ambitious, more playful awkward and often totally WTF -- the way he just goes nuts in the end of the Rubics Cube essay is dear to my heart.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Le Ton Beau De Morot, while perhaps not worth purchasing, is perhaps worth taking out from the library and enjoying, if you are interested in translation.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

what with my background i was long excited to read geb but when i finally started on it i was put off by the poorly considered aesthetics and not willing to put up with it just to read something i felt i should have been reading a more rigorous book on, anyway.

reading some cavell, still poking at that (richard) hofstadter, started on the epistemology textbook and verified my claim made on the book purchase thread of its awfulness, some fragments on some presocratics also (i had forgotten that all we have of thales is indirect quotation at best, usually worse!).

Josh (Josh), Friday, 9 September 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

i read geb when i was rilly young -- it was good prep for various hard stuff i learned in compsci theory later, and good for awakening a sort of sense of how things work that made it feel intuitive to me, which it doesn't to lots of people. probably would find it a bit grating now actually -- it seemed so last time i thumbed through a copy. i also am, as many prob are, totally over escher. on the other hand, my enjoyment of bach has only deepened.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 9 September 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

What Sterl said.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 9 September 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

I am enjoying In The Line Of Beauty very much indeed.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 9 September 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

michael polanyi's 'personal knowledge' starts out pretty fuckin boring.

also some gadamer in 'the beginning of philosophy', some more hofstadter (illuminating), some 'pythagoras' and 'heraclitus'.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 10 September 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

tenser, said the tensor!

um.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

halfway through 'underworld'; read ian mcdonald's graphic novel 'kling klang klatch' (blade runner - cum - singing detective, but the cast are all sentient children's toys); dipping into 'bound and gagged' (rub thing on literary censorship) and 'the bride and the bachelors' (entry-level studies of duchamp, rauchenberg, cage, two others)

tom west (thomp), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Just starting Rupert Thomson - The Five Gates Of Hell

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

the chapter on skills in 'personal knowledge' reads like he secretly read heidegger! or, more likely, alfred schutz or husserl. but still.

stuff on the presocratics.

bad survey papers on 'the analysis of knowledge' which raise my ire.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

'Teh Vampyre' by Tom Holland and 'Love Me' by Garrison Keillor.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

Devoured Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go on vacation and have a really hard time explaining to people why I loved it so much. It was one of those rare books you love and don't want to share with anyone else.

I'm now on to Clare Dudman's 98 Reasons for Being (every time I look at that title, I get Jay Z's '99 Problems' stuck in my head).

zan, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

jedidiah - i made it 60-75% of the way through GEB! my friend to whom i lent my copy finished it. i guess after 60-75%, i decided that more brilliant examples of self-referential-meta-recursion were probably just going to ooze out of my ear if i tried to stuff them in for much longer. maybe ill revisit that one, though. i had a lot of fun reading it.

currently returning to reading!
now:
jonathan lethem - fortress of solitude
next:
lethem - gun, with occasional music
lethem - motherless brooklyn
rushdie - midnight's children

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

This is Reggae Music by Lloyd Bradley (it was called Bass Culture in the UK), which is one of the best music books I've read in a long while. Easy to ready, informative, covers the historical and sociological aspects concisely and clearly, and entertaining.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I should be reading Houllebecq's newest but Amazon.fr hasn't delivered it yet!

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

oh, he has a new one? i wonder when it will come out here. i hated the last two but i still look forward to a new book from him for some reason.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

if no one speaks of remarkable things by Jon McGregor.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

Currently not reading anything, but thinking whether it might be the time to make a third attempt on the last book of The Baroque Cycle.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

I read this kid's-potted-biography-of-Newton that surfaced when moving house: the Waterhouse in the Baroque Cycle seems to be a direct substitute, in his relations with Newton, with an actual historical human being - I'm not entirely sure what to make of that -

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Ooh now I am reading 'The Adventures of Fantastic Invisible Boy' (?) by Lloyd Alexander. I find it quite odd now that I could have read the Prydain books without ever realising he was an American writer - but maybe you don't notice these things when you're a child.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

I am just starting on Deleuze's Cinema I. I also have Phillip K. Dick's Ubik as backup for when Deleuze is making my brain hurt.

jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

The Emigrants by WG Sebald.

It's good, but last night i started wondering how much is true, and how much made up. The section from his great-uncle's diary seem to be very similar to Sebald's own style of writing.

Tim H., did you ever make it to Cork?

Joe Kay (feethurt), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

jed,

La possibilité d'une île is Houellebecq's latest.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

is it... rubbish?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I read this kid's-potted-biography-of-Newton that surfaced when moving house: the Waterhouse in the Baroque Cycle seems to be a direct substitute, in his relations with Newton, with an actual historical human being - I'm not entirely sure what to make of that -

That certainly is the case during their time as undergraduates; but I don't think anything much is known about Newton's real-life roommate after he graduated.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm currently plugging away through City of God. Just the first book so far, but it's been an interesting read.

Things I have learned: I shouldn't commit suicide, Pagan religions don't deliver the goods when needed, God continually tests both the good and the wicked, and I'm free from impurity if my mind is correctly steeled against the, uh, violations of other people committed against me.

Oh, and, damn those horrible, lustful, power-obsessed Romans.

mj (robert blake), Thursday, 15 September 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

I am reading Indecision by Benjamin Kunkel. I'm sad, or disheartened, because it's not as good as I want it to be.

youn, Thursday, 15 September 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

newton's roommate thing: the biography gave me the impression that they fell out at about the same time..? the stuff after book one is invented, i guess.

(also as Jack The Coiner jack shaftoe is replacing an actual historical individual or so it seems. this seems like cheating.)

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 15 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading a collection of newspaper columns by a third-rate, self-publicising newspaper columnist. I have to review it on the radio on Tuesday. It's hard to find anything positive to say, which is bad, because I don't like to appear mean-spirited.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Oh go on, let your inner Dorothy Parker loose. The absolute worst thing that can happen is that a parade of cheering IT readers carry you from the radio station to D'Olier St and insist on you taking over the Saturday column.
Go on. Think of the money she's paid for that pathetic column. Think of the advance she got for the book. Do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

The Great Mortality : An Intimate History of the Black Death, The Most Devastating Plague of All Time by John Kelly. So far I'm not as entertained by it as I thought I would be.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Thursday, 15 September 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Joe Kay, I did and it was nice. I imagine it still is. It felt like Cornwall, which I secretly rather like. I ate in greasy spoons and went drinking on my own in old man pubs on Shandon Street. I met the Accentmonkey later in the same trip and that was a rare treat also.

So I finished "Soul" and it's great although it turns out Platonov wrote tons of endings and I think I'd have preferred the one of gut-wrenching emptiness rather than affirmation of humanity, which the editors of this edition chose. That might just be my funny mood.

Then I had a bash at "Living" by Henry Green and I had to abandon it. I wasn't looking forward to picking it up at all, and it was blighting one-word-title September. I don't like abandoning books, I'll have another go at some point. But who knows when I'll be reading one word title novels again? March, maybe.

So now I'm on to "Cassada" by James Salter which isn't especially great either (it's all about aeroplanes and homosociality) but at least it's chugging away nicely. Then I think a re-read of the classic "Rituals" by Cees Nooteboom in preparation for a trip to the Netherlands.

Then one or maybe two short one word title novels before I begin two-word October. Which?

Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Checkpoint by Nicholson Baker? (I have not read this yet either.)
Emma by Jane Austen?
1984 by George Orwell?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 16 September 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

I've never read Emma, maybe now is the time.

I think 1984 is more properly called Nineteen Eighty Four (although I might be wrong). You are trying to trick me!

Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 September 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

(I want to read Piano by Jean Echenoz but I'm confident I'll eventually find a cheapy copy and am too tightfisted to shell full price for it.)

Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 September 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

Haha yes maybe it is Nineteen Eighty Four after all (so will have to wait til November.)

Have you read Middlesex?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 16 September 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Dude, 544 pages! You must be mistaking me for a man with an attention span.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 September 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Cain -- The Postman Always Rings Twice

mj (robert blake), Saturday, 17 September 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading Ian McEwan's Saturday and enjoying it quite a bit

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

When the Emperor was Divine - Julie Otsuka

Short, chilling, sad but not mawkish.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Truman Capote - Collected Stories

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Joyce - Dubliners

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

E.M. Forster's Howards End - because I never have, and I'd like to get to know it before I read Zadie Smith's new one.

I'm quickly realizing that he's extremely genius and I want to read everything he's ever written. I'm also realizing what an influence he is on Zadie Smith's style. It's no surprise she picked this book's plot to mimic; the tone is hers already.

zan, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

I love Howard's End and have lost my copy of it :(
I am intrigued as to what On Beauty will be like.

I can't concentrate on reading anything at the moment. Skimming through an annoyingly illustrated but useful book on running focus groups.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

Mr Squishy by David Foster Wallace (in Oblivion) has extremely useful information on running focus groups.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

read the dick cheney code real quicklike. enjoyable enough for harvard lampoon stuff and a few rilly good gags amongst the rest.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

So I'm on to re-reading "Rituals" by Cees Nooteboom which I absolutely adore, despite (more likely because of) it being the most miserable book I think I can imagine.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

Okay, haven't been here in awhile.

The last fiction book I read was A Deepness in the Sky by Verner Vinge. He may be, along with Kim Stanley Robinson, my favorite SciFi author ever. I love how this book spans thousands of years but the restraint used in telling the story makes it seem like he's not trying to cram a lot of information into it's 700 and some pages. This is the first book that made me cry in a long time too.

Now that my classes have started again, I'm mostly reading academic related texts, but they have been amazinly interesting. Women's Way of Knowing, I wish someone had handed me this book when I was 13 years old. While focusing on women, there is so much to learn about how people develop cognition. Same thing with A Different Voice. Also breezed through Blink by Malcom Gladwell. Fascinating albeit light anecdotal reading.

Next up is The Mathematics of Marriage by John Gottman.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Cozen,

La possibilité d'une île is typical, cynical Houellebecq 'rubbish'. He varies from pissing me off to bringing me down but I think that's what he's trying to do and he's certainly an observant, inventive writer.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

xpost to Jeff - Vernor Vinge!!! I just re-read A Fire Upon Deep a few months ago; Deepness is next. I've also got Across Realtime, which has Peace War and some others in it, which I've not read yet.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I was reading Pamuk's "Snow", but I got bogged down somewhere around page 300. It was very good though. Maybe I have just gotten tired of novels ("the novel"). So I have tried to start reading some poetry, which is difficult for me. Read some good Eliot and Yeats yesterday though.

It seems to me that a lot of enlgish-language poetry is crap, but, being amerikkkan, I am mono-lingual. I refuse to read translations of poetry, but I yearn for rilke, baudelaire, celan, etc. I must brush up on my french.

stewart downes (sdownes), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

And german, for Rilke.

My daughter is doing her master's in translation theory at the moment, so we have talked extensively about poetry in translation. I read spanish (technically, and with the help of dictionaries), but reading poetry in spanish loses too much - the colloquialisms, any playfulness of language, gone due to my all too technical interpretation. The best method for me is to have the original text in the native language, along with an english translation. I do a literal technical translation of the original, then suss out the translation. I know I'm missing much of the beauty and perhaps most of the truth of the poem, but in the effort I feel the shadow of both.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Lately, I can't seem to finish anything - chronic attention deficit disorder. Started Anil's Ghost by Michael Ondaatje for a book club, got bored, and dropped it. Started The Life of Insects by Victor Pelevin, liked it okay, but thought it was a bit dry, stopped reading it. Started reading Sons & Lovers again, which I had paused about 100 pages from the end of. Then yesterday in a bookstore, bought C.V. Wedgewood's The Thirty Years War (I'm a sucker for anything under the NYRB imprint), and am now embarked on that, which is fascinating so far (though I don't highly rate my chances of finishing all 500 pages of it).

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

a little schopenhauer, more of the terrible epistemology textbook, some aphorisms, who knows what else?

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I make a habit of reading poetry in translation. I'm entirely comfortable with the removal of 'the' truth and beauty from a poem, as long as I can find some in the words I do read.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 22 September 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

I keep looking at Harvill Press books on the shelves in my shop and wondering if I should take the plunge (as recommended by you, Tim), but I can't remember the names of the authors you said you liked and I, like many others, often have difficulties with translations.

I have been reading the winning poems in our poetry competition, which are very good (hooray!), I finished reading the horrible book I had to read for a review (it went on, and on, and on) and now I'm reading source material about controlled trials in modern medicine for a writing contract I'm trying to get. Which, of course, is why I'm monkeying around here instead of working.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

My faves (off the top of my head): Perec, Perutz, Nooteboom, Lindgren, Atxaga, Gustaffsson, Yourcenar. But lots of others, too. These are all in translation, my favourite English language Harvill types are probably Raymond Carver and William Maxwell. I should like Richard Ford but I can't get along with him.

Today I decided that I had to read "Piano" by Jean Echenoz (another Harvill fave) before One Word Title September was over, so I was off to shell £12 on it but thought I'd check the Oxfam bookshop on Strutton Ground first. BINGO! Also "Lang" by Kjall Westo (that o should have umlauts, if they call umlauts umlauts in Swedish-speaking Finland). Between these I should make it safely to the end of the month. I also bought the Oxford edition of "Evelina" by Burney which has a cute Edward Bawden linocut on the front, but I don't suppose I'll have time to get onto it before Two Word Title October dawns. Maybe it'll be in January when a period of austerity could follow the abandon of No Limit December?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Perec! Perec! Did Harvill put out a copy of "W, or the Memory of Childhood"? I have their editions of "A Void" and "Three" (not too recommended, that last one, as Ian Monk does a not so good job of translating), but everything else I have from DRG.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

As you would know if I bothered to plunk down the $10 for LibraryThing.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

What I'm going to do, right, is write these down in my filo'facts, and then I'll have the names in the shop when I'm next there.

Perec's the only one I really knew on my own, and none ever comes in. Gah bah.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

i think my 'w' is harvill

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Yes Harvill published WOTMOC, in a lovely silver edition.

They also did "LAUM", "Three", ""53 Days"", "Things" / "A Man Asleep" and "A Void", plus that big fat biography of The Great Man by David Bellos. Think that's it.

I never managed to lay my hands on the Harvile ""53 Days"" meaning I have some inconsistent copy. That's rankle-icious.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I just finished Journals of a Forest Service Chief by Jack Ward Thomas, which had a tremendous amount of local interest for me, as an Oregonian.

Also finished Pass the Butterworms by Tom Cahill, a moderately amusing and informative collection of short magazine pieces.

Currently reading Selected Non-Fictions of Jorge Luis Borges. It covers quite a wide range of ground, but the highly intellectual stuff is the most intriguing so far.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

The Picts and the Martyrs. When I was a small girl we had an old battered hardback edition of this and I always thought it was a completely different book - some boring non-fiction historical tome about Scotland. Never connected it with my other Arthur Ransome books at all...

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Harvile published "53 Days"? I only ever saw it in hardback so I bought that. They didn't do the paperback of LAUM that I have -- but I assume it's the same translator?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 22 September 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

More detective fiction (Chandler, this time):

The Big Sleep and The Long Goodbye

mj (robert blake), Friday, 23 September 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

Harvill is my favourite imprint by a mile, and now I appear to have invented this hateful "Harvile" meme - it's a disaster.

I don't know the name of the translator of your edition of LAUM, obv., but I think the Harvill one is David Bellos.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

Bellos was one of my lecturers at university. He wore a navy v-neck tank top over a white polo neck with brown elephant cords to every lecture (ok, maybe not every lecture but a lot of them) and he gave me seventy three per cent for an exam (not Perec, but 19th c. Fr. Lit) so I like him. Is he related to that Graun Bellos? I always wonder about that when I read the byline.

I am reading Molesworth for the first time and suddenly I understand what everyone is on about on ilx.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

B. is now at Harvard, I think.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

"Navy v-neck tank top over a white polo neck with brown elephant cords" = supercool by any sensible measure. The only way it would be cooler is with white elephant cords and a brown polo neck. Or perhaps a turtle neck.

DB's biogrraphy of Perec is very fine but perhaps too fat. I read it once and would like to read it again but it can only be a reference work now, life being too short and that.

May I stress that "Rituals" by Cees Nooteboom is, on my current reading, rocketing upwards through the ranks of the greatest novels I've ever read. That can't just be because it's largely set in Amserdam and I'm so excited about going there the week after next. Can it?

Tim (Tim), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Bellos's bio is odd, as I've noted before, because he's the translator I've read for most of the Perec I've read, and so it comes off as something of an autiobiography, but not. Especially odd for the bits after he dies. It is very large and I wasn't expecting it to be good at all (I don't even like biographies!) but it was very compelling reading.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

what I said about houellebecq is unfair

I'm sorry

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

and I want to read "rituals" and most everything else you guys have been talking about since I've been away!

: )

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

perhaps too fat

i think this applies to all biographies.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

And perhaps to those of us who read them, as well.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

So I finished "Rituals" which is one of thse books with a thought on every page, even if the thought I end up having is about how people think rather than necessarily an engagement with the often rather self-indulgent thinking of the narrator. I know what I mean, even if you don't. I laughed out loud once, when the art dealer makes a gloriously dismissive comment about Karel Appel, who I like.

Then I read "Piano" by Jean Echenoz and although it's maybe not quite as fab as "I'm Off" it's still pretty great. It's sort of like that Will Self story "The Crouch End Book of the Dead" would have been if Self was something other than an insufferable and self-congratulatory idiot, and if it was set in Paris.

Then I read "Cheese" by Willem Elsschot, which is a brief story of a fellow who embarks on a doomed venture to sell lots of cheese, or not. It's not as funny as it could have been, but was still quite cute in its way.

Next up will be "Annam" by Christophe Bataille (anyone know if he's any relation?) which is vey short indeed. hurrah.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 26 September 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

I think I know what you mean but it seems like a better reaction than the one you don't get.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 26 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

I wd like to read a LONG book about cheese. So much potential.

I'm reading The Rotter's Club. It's ok. Also it makes me feel relatively young bwahaha.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 26 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

At Swim-Two-Birds - O'Brien (Mary)
The Stories of English - Crystal (Tips)

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I finally finished This is the Way the World Ends, which was very good, but would't necessarily encourage me to seek out more of James Morrow's books (assuming he ever wrote any more). Now I'm reading No Great Mischief by Alastair MacLeod, which should feature a big sticker saying "Warning: This book contains a sad scene concerning a dog, which might make you cry a little bit on the train on the way to work one morning, especially if you're tired and listening to The Rachels".
It's a lovely, bleak, quiet book and I like it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

made a start on 'the classical style' by charles rosen

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

So I finished "Annam". It is the kind of book about which people write "jewel-like" in the blurb. It's not really much like a jewel, though it is small and is a bit intricate and gets more complicated the closer you look, but a bit nasty, too. It's more like an insect than a jewel, then. Insectish.

Now I am reading "Lang" by Kjell Westo. It starts off well enough in its shadowy, troubled Scandinavian thriller kind of way.

(Julio expect an email tonight or tomorrow, sorry!)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

(no problem tim)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

picked up a short bk on (composer) Ligeti. excellent intro so far!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan Coe The Closed Circle. I thought this was an astonishingly badly written book by someone with a reputation as a respectable writer. Plot, characters, political interpolations - ridiculing them would be like shooting fish in a barrel. And yet on some level it worked, if only as an enormously enjoyable read. I couldn't put it down and read it well into the small hours. Not for the fastidious, though.


Orhan Pamuk's Snow. Not sure I'd read another by him. My impression is that he can write (beneath a somewhat clunky translation - maybe good translation from the Turkish is not easy). But he takes himself seriously & forgets to entertain (or at least he didn't entertain me). Very illuminating about Turkey/religious extremism etc but not an enjoyable enough experience for me to want more. I'd recommend it to people who read novels to find out more about the world, rather than for the kinds of superficial reasons I read them.

Mieville's Iron Council. I'm about 2/3 of the way through this and may or may not finish it. I'm in awe of his imagination but I find his pumped up prose style very hit-and-miss and his retro politics uninteresting. There is some stunning prose writing but also long passages that were an effort to get through and with hindsight not worth the bother. There's something very raw and unfinished about everything he does, probably exactly his appeal for some people but I could have used more polishing and pruning.

Yate's Young Hearts Crying. This is the fourth Yates novel I've read and although I enjoyed it the formula is starting to wear thin. Too many doomed, self-deluding, arty sorts who drink too much and can't get their marriages to work. Probably my last Yates, although I still want to read the autobiography.

Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. About 150 pages in and the jury still out. Not the immediate delight I'd hoped for: the cod 19 century prose occasionally achieves some nice effects, but generally Susanna Clarke's irony is clunky compared to her models and she doesn't have an especially good ear. Plot development is slow. I'm still reading, though, and optimistic things will pick up now that Jonathan Strange is on the scene. I hope so because I'm not on a winning streak and would love to read a novel I can enjoy with less reservations than the ones mentioned above.

frankiemachine, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

I have been reading The New Statesman.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

Just finished "The Good Soldier" -- enjoyable
Still wading through "Wittgenstein's Mistress" -- fun, but not compelling
Just starting "Wonderboys" -- so far it's great
"The Confusion" is on indefinite hold -- 495 pages in and I'm sure there are better uses of my time
Just got "The Complete New Yorker" in the mail

Docpacey (docpacey), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Fun is not inherently compelling.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

"Fun is not inherently compelling."
Any child might disagree. I have often been compelled to read voraciously by a text that was fun to read, or was playful, yet drew me forward. My comment on WM was simply to indicate that I was enjoying it, in small bites, but am in no hurry to finish it in lieu of more interesting (i.e. compelling) books.

Docpacey (docpacey), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

OK. So:

Fun things are not inherently compelling to adults.
Any child might find fun things inherently compelling.
If a thing is interesting, it is compelling.
Therefore if you are not a child, you do not necessarily find all fun things to be interesting things.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Markson seems to be one who takes his craft ( or himself)seriously. I thought, going in, that given his reputation, i would find his work compelling. Rather, I found his gimmick to be 'fun' (and, in fact, interesting).
As to why you would infer that one is a requirement for another i have no clue, i was simply expressing, tersely, my opinion of my experience with one particular book. I happen to find interesting things fun, i do not find all interesting things compelling. I do not find your argument ( as presented) to be logically sound, or relevant. No offense intended.

Docpacey (docpacey), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm not making any claims at all. I'm just rehashing what you've said. You said you read a book that was fun but not compelling, which means that you think fun things are not always compelling. I found WM to be interesting and compelling and perhaps "fun" although that's not a term I would use for the book, but sure. WM was something of a pageturner for me (as was Reader's Block, despite being more obstinate in its refusal to "go" anywhere).

You said "interesting (i.e. compelling)" -- it is interesting, that is to say compelling. Now that I reread it, though, I think it is possible that you could either mean "all interesting things are compelling" or "all compelling things are interesting" by that. Although I think the first reading -- "The critter is a dog (i.e., a mammal)" -- is more likely than the second -- "The crittier is a mammal (i.e., a dog)" -- since when there are only two terms, it seems that the rephrasing has to be to something more general. (If there are more terms before the "i.e." then I think it probably means the term after the "i.e." is the specific term -- "The critter is furry and gets help for Timmy (i.e., it is Lassie)" -- but without more context, you couldn't say "The critter is furry (i.e., it is Lassie)".)

But this new addition is a nice one:

All interesting things are fun.
Not all interesting things are compelling.

Because then that forces us to accpet the less likely reading of "All compelling things are interesting."

So:

Fun things are not inherently compelling to adults.
More specifically, there exists a fun thing that is not compelling, at least for an adult.
Interesting thigns are not inherently compelling.
More specifically, there exists an interesting thing that is not compelling.
All interesting things are fun.
All compelling things are interesting.
Therefore all compelling things are fun!
Therefore there are a greater number of fun things than interesting things, and a greater number of interesting things than compelling things, at least as far as adults are concerned!

This is a useful deduction, I think.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

"The Buddha of Suburbia" by Kureshi and "The Location of Culture" by Homi Bhabha. Kureshi easy, Bhabha very hard. He loves lists of verbs.

salexander (salexander), Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Don't think I've been on here this year. Hello to the reading massive.

Currently reading The Face of Spain by Gerald Brenan. A travel through the south of the country in the early Franco years. Poverty and the black market on every page.

Highlights of my reading year are: One Hundred Years of Solitude, The Time Travellers Wife, Down and Out in Paris and London, In Search of Languages by Mark Abley, Accursed Mountains by Philip Carver (travels in Albania), re-reading Laurie Lee & Ruy Castro's biography of Garrincha. These are the books that scored 8/10 or more on my extremly sad spreadsheet of books read.

Disappointment of the year is Murakami's Wind Up Bird Chronicles. I've saved it for ages and it just felt bloated and wilfully obtuse. The one plus is Rossini's overture to The Thieving Magpie, hummed by a waiter in the book and a great tune I'd forgotten all about.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 29 September 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)

Currently reading Tony Parsons' Stories We Could Tell. Because I needed a bit of fluff autobiography thinly disguised as fiction. (Terry Warboys? Tony Parsons? I thought so.) Lunar Park on deck - because I've never read BEE, and I got it for free. Tempted to read Tove Jansson instead.

frankiemachine: Aren't Coe's sex scenes atrocious? I agree with your impressions; I expected more, but I still really enjoyed the book. And give Jonathan Strange a chance. For months after I read it I still didn't know if I liked it or not (at points I even hated it), but now, a year later, I remember it very fondly, and certain scenes from it have stuck with me better than many books I loved immediately.

Mikey G: Read A Wild Sheep Chase. I think it's the perfect Murakami book: bizarre, sad, and much tighter than Wind-Up Bird. Although, if you didn't find merit in it, you might just be one of those people who doesn't like Murakami.

zan, Thursday, 29 September 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

I'd go for Norwegian Wood as the book that is least like Wind-Up Bird but equally essential Murakami. Besides, ten million Japanese can't be wrong.

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I've read all the Murakami books now, but was saving Wind-Up Bird Chronicles for last due to rave reviews by friends. I think it might be a translation issue in the edition I read. Google backs this up somewhat. I like Norweigan Wood a lot.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

I think reading Wind-Up Bird last would've been disappointing for me too - I read it second, after Hard-Boiled Wonderland. I'm saving South of the Border, West of the Sun at the moment. I need to have one in reserve until they release the English translation of his next one (After Dark - which is already out in Russia - I think Rubin is translating this one as well).

And if we're talking highlights and lowlights, Kafka on the Shore was a surprising highlight for me this year. I thought I wouldn't like it, but ended up loving it.

zan, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm having a similar experience with 'The Rotter's Club', frankie/zan. I hate the clunky narrative devices, and yet I am enjoying the book in a sort of unsatisfactory McFiction way. So, don't know whether I'll be going on to read 'The Closed Circle' or not.

The other book I'm reading (The Vampyre) is even more rub. I think I'll just move on to that book by Simon Winchester about the OED - anyone read it?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. What was it called. The something and the Madman?

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Professor and the Madman, I think. We have a copy, but after Winchester's breathless Krakatoa, I needed a break from him and haven't read it yet.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I liked The Rotters Club up to the end of The Chick and the Hairy Guy.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

No it is The Meaning of Everything. Is it the same book, different US title?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Good question. The Professor and the Madman was all right, though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

We miss you when you're not here, Mikey.

I started reading Saturday by Ian McEwan, but 50 pages in I really don't like it. It could be the head cold, but I'm inclined to think it's the book. I've temporarily put it to one side in favour of Giles Minton's Nathaniel's Nutmeg. Seafaring! The Dutch being bastards! Scurvy! It's got all the things I love in a book.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

We miss you when you're not here, Mikey.

I started reading Saturday by Ian McEwan, but 50 pages in I really don't like it. It could be the head cold, but I'm inclined to think it's the book. I've temporarily put it to one side in favour of Giles Minton's Nathaniel's Nutmeg. Seafaring! The Dutch being bastards! Scurvy! It's got all the things I love in a book.

Isn't the Winchester book called The Surgeon of Crowthorne?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

My god, Winchester has written 3 books on the making of the OED.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

I have (temporarily) given up on At Swim-Two-Birds. I didn't really understand it, and it reminded me of The Magic Roundabout on bad acid.

I have started The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. I think it is dish as dullwater, and the newspapers are called The Obscurer and The Daily Chloroform.

I also started The Blind Assassin, but it looked like it might involve thinking, so I put it aside.

Should I read Hangover Square, do you think? Or perhaps I should get this Mr Strange Norrel book from Fopp, where it is on special offer.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 30 September 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

That's a pity, Miller!

Frankiemachine on Coe was quite convincing. I thought the novel had some melancholy that was its strongest suit.

I seem not to be reading books anymore! I read the Guardian. It contains multitudes. And I read most of the Independent's DYLAN: A SPECIAL CELEBRATION. But I did just last night start Henry Green's Loving, in these last burnished days of one-word September.

the pomefox, Friday, 30 September 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Lang is and was, as expected, the last word in my month's reading. And very good too, actually, far better come the end than I thought it would be a quarter of the way through. It goes on about the emptiness of modern media life and I couldn't tell whether it was being sincere or sly; I liked that I couldn't tell.

Thrillers which start with the end, though, never quite live up to their name, do they?

I don't read many thrillers. Can you tell? To tell you the truth, I don't even know if Lang counts as one.

Anyway, TWO WORD OCTOBER beckons. I won't be reading much next week because I'll be on a holiday effectively made up of a series of city breaks, and I'll be wanting to gaze, fascinated, from train windows. Suggestions for unmissable two-worders much appreciated. Currently lined up: "Blockade Diary" by Lidiya Ginzburg; "The Towpath" by Jesus Moncada; "Double Jeopardy" by Jean Echenoz and "Second Harvest" by Jean Giono.

I was going to include that GB84 but mark s told me it was four words. Shame.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

It is a series of pities, really. I shall remedy them all though, mark my words.

The Guardian is indeed PACKED, although not as much today as yesterday, mainly because the Films and Music section is missing from my copy.

Tim, I don't know if "The" can be considered a word for these purposes. I notice that you favour the work of Johnny Foreigner.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm counting the "the" and if you don't like it you can get lost.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

2 words? Billy Liar!

the pinefox, Friday, 30 September 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Naked Lunch.
My bookmark is an airplane vomit bag! Hopefully I won't actually need it, but it feels appropriate.

I've put off reading this for a while (pricetag says 2001), as I don't like too many of the authors that are associated with Burroughs, and only found Junky/Junkie to be moderately interesting; but this is a whole 'nother level!

I want to move to NYC now, as I've just had the joy of dragging a suitcase chockful o' cheap hardcovers home with me. "12th Street Books" = first prize!

Øystein (Øystein), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading "Beauty Tips From Moose Jaw" by Will Ferguson, which is a curious mix of mildly humorous personal essay, Canadian history lesson, and debunking of this and that -- news representations of Thunder Bay, the odd skew of the Tunnels of Moose Jaw "museum", etc.

Anyway, it quotes a Pierre Trudeau essay about canoeing, with the great line: "Travel a thousand miles by train and you are a brute; pedal five hundred on a bicycle and you remain basically a bourgeois; paddle a hundred in a canoe and you are already a child of nature."

While I finally got my bicycle today and am currently content to be a bourgeois, I did think this was a terrific line, and I googled up the entire essay, which is short, well written, and worth reading.

I found a selected essays on Amazon -- was Trudeau known as a good essayist, in general?

It reminded me of when I was reading Thomas Jefferson's book about Virginia, and I was saddened thinking about how we'd never elect anyone who could write such a book these days (I suspect neither Trudeau nor Jefferson used ghostwriters). But I'm glad Canada could, not too long ago.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 3 October 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

Kappa by Ryunosuke Akutagawa. Very good, I think. Short book, short chapters, freaky creatures.

OK, Tim! No need to totally blow your cool like that.

Is it about canals? Or is it a metaphorical journey along the towpath of life?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 3 October 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

*I also started The Blind Assassin, but it looked like it might involve thinking, so I put it aside.*

Definitely give it a try. It's lovely. However, if you haven't already or never intend on reading Assassin, read "Cat's Eye" or "Alias Grace" instead. I enjoyed them more, & plus they're both shorter.

salexander (salexander), Monday, 3 October 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

I will read it, when things are a bit more settled.

Other books I tried and failed to read:

Danny Wallace - The Yes Man.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 3 October 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

By the late former Southampton winger?

the bellefox, Monday, 3 October 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

No, a "comedian".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 3 October 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

Finn Family Moomintroll by Tove Jansson. Because I'm obsessed with all things Finnish at the moment.

zan, Monday, 3 October 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

The Great American Novel by Philip Roth.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

Should I read Hangover Square, do you think?

YES!

Archel (Archel), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

n/a, if you manage to finish that book, I'll buy you a beer, if I ever meet you.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

OK, Archel, I will!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

So far, it's fun! I don't see how it could get "difficult," does it get tedious later? It's wacky!

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

It was way too wacky for my taste.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm in the mood for something wacky.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

I have had time to read a total of one page of 'The Meaning of Everything' since I mentioned it last Thursday. Sigh.

Apparently someone suggested Winchester write it after they read The Surgeon of thingy, on the grounds that having written a footnote to the history of the OED he should now go and write the history itself.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

i'm in the middle of 1982 janine and surprising myself by adoring it. i had a bit of a prejudice against gray due to not being able to stick with lanark, but i'm flying through this one.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Harry Stephen Keeler's second skull novel, The Man with the Crimson Box.

SRH (Skrik), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

David Guterson - East Of The Mountains
I've only read a couple chapters but so far I'm liking it alot

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

Saul Bellow: The Actual

Dense, intense, dificult. Two-word title.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

But I did just last night start Henry Green's Loving, in these last burnished days of one-word September.

God, I love Green.

I finally finished the exceptionally depressing La possibilité d'une île and am currently happy to be reading pop-history in the form of A History of the World in Six Glasses by Tom Standage.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

I remember when I used to read things.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Like the internet, Ken?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

'Zat count, Mike?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Aiding and Abetting by Murial Spark. It's about two Lord Lucans. As all books should be.

Just re-read Journey to the Alcarria by Camilo Jose Cela. I read it every year and it gets better each time. Sparse and read-between-the-linesy, the humour is drole and it conjours up a I-wanna-go-there-right-now feeling of place. Maybe because the place doesn't recognisably exist anymore.

If anyone else has read it, I would love to talk about it with you and I may even touch you inappropriately.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Clare Short - An Honourable Deception. Entertaining enough for the choo-choo, but I am wary of believing it.

I have not read it, Mikey, but I will do one day, just for you.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

I ordered a copy of rituals

then I received an e-mail the next day

"out of stock"

: (

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Bob Dylan - Chronicles. Just started it. I notice some of the text corresponds to one of the interviews in the Scorcese documentary. I thought maybe Dylan had written this book rather than speak it to some flunky to write down and no doubt edit. Alas, no?

Some nice textual imagery of post-war America.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

I have got this one out of the library too.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman. Yes, because of "Lost."

On another note, in my search for this book I finally made it over to Gotham Book Mart, which is just lovely. They have a great Greta Garbo exhibit up at the moment, and the staff is amazingly friendly and helpful. (I'd already been to Labyrinth, The Strand, and Three Lives looking for a copy - all out. Go Dalkey.)

zan, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

We were in the Gotham Book Mart the day they were packing up to move - they were being very secretive about their new address and told us to phone them in a few weeks to find out what it was. Eavesdropping on the staff, it sounded like the new space would be much larger, with a whole floor for Edward Gorey stuff. Is this the case? It's looking like we won't get back to NYC for years, which is disheartening.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Within 30 pages of the end of "The Great American Novel" (ken, you owe me a beer) and then I will start with "The Recognitions" by William Gaddis. Pumped.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Where's Gotham? I was looking for it when I was in NYC last week, and curses, I ended up in the middle of the diamond district, staring at a store that peddled some sort of glass-like stone. For some reason I didn't consider figuring out if they'd simply moved, rather than closed.

Incidentally, my favorite store during my brief visit was "12th Street Books", which was right around the corner from the Strand.

How is 3rd Policeman, by the way? Anywhere near as funny as At Swim-Two-Birds? The Lost thing is kinda neat, as I saw over on the Complete Review's blog that "Since this information was reported in a Chicago Tribune article a week ago, [Dalkey Archive Press have] sold about five years worth of copies of The Third Policeman"

Oh, now reading:
"Lord Foul's Bane" by Stephen Donaldson. I hated the "Gap" book I read, and generally don't like fantasy, but this is starting out surprisingly well. Particularly considering how reviled the novel is over on rec.arts.sf.written, whose volkgeist matches mine relatively well on SF novels.

The Moon (Øystein), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

We never phoned to get their new address, figuring it would be in the New Yorker or something (haven't seen it yet), and when our boxes of books arrived from them, there was no return address anywhere! Very very secretive, these booksellers.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Last night I finally finished Norman Rush's 'Mortals' - after being stuck in its 800-odd pages for about 3 months. There should be street parties.

Now I will devote my attention more thoroughly to ItLoB.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

I had never been to the old one, but they still seem to be secretive with the address: it was wrong on the Citysearch, and I wandered the diamond-packed streets and finally called information to find it at 16 E. 46th street. (Right around the corner from a nearly finished Barnes & Noble megastore, oh dear.)

They seem to have two floors, though I never made it to the second one as I was in a hurry. The front of the shop is dedicated to Edward Gorey stuff; a few shelves' worth. They had a lovely back room where older white men seemed to be discussing something important and literary. I wanted to go back there, but it looked forbidden.

I'll go again, and report next time on the mysterious second floor, and whether or not I discover more Gorey there.

The Third Policeman is great so far, funny enough to make me snigger out loud (something I never do), though I have no other Flann O'Brien to compare it to. I'll definitely be reading more.

zan, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm about 100 pages from the end of Gravity's Rainbow and it's just such a slog. I don't care about any of these characters, I don't need another lecture about inorganic compounds, and I await with trepidation yet another completely gross section. So why can't I just stop?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Ooo, here you go, plenty of Gorey at Gotham: http://www.goreyography.com/west/articles/gbm2005.html

zan, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Gotham moved, but it's still in the diamond district? What?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Where were they before - somewhere on 47th? RJM always seemed to find it by instinct. I wonder if they still have the cat Pynchon, great orange thing.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I think 47th, but yeah, I always used to play it by ear when I went there.

All right, Nick, if you're basically finished with that, then maybe I will finish reading another weird book with a strange baseball team in it, Harry Mathew's Tlooth.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

I also had to rely on instinct, which took many tries to hone to perfection.

I'm planning on starting MFK Fisher's "A Cordiall Water" today. But I am also thinking of going to the library. Anything I should grab?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

what sections in gravity's rainbow are completely gross? 'v' always jumps to mind as the grosser book for me despite the absence of e.g. coprophagy.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read V (and I doubt I will), so I can't compare it with GR, but the shit eating, the snot sucking, those are completely gross in my book, and unexpected too because I refrained from reading anything about the book before reading the book itself. I'm finally to the 4th (and I think final) section. Marvy is castrated, Slothrop is still on the run sans pig suit, the dogs have taken over a town. It's just beating me down with its endlessness. There's some irony in it, but no more humor, not for the past 200 pages or so.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Also the wine jellies.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Clare Short is a boring Brummie dogbreath. "I went to the Queen's garden party without a hat!"

So now I am reading Ask the Dust by John Fante and it is good and I like it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Ask the Dust is great. Rebel Inc (which I think was an imprint of Canongate) did a run of his books a few years back with terrific photography on the covers.

About halfway through Dylan volume 1. It could do with an index. I want to cross reference and it is hard work but not as hard work as that awful blonde woman who murdered Like a Rolling Stone at the tribute concert. I'm gonna hunt her down.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I'll ever attempt Pynchon. It terrifies me.

Finished the last half of The Third Policeman in a terrific 2-hour marathon only to find out that the book was shown for a split second on "Lost" and not referred to at all (apart from the obvious references to an underground computer, and the possible futility of pushing buttons, which I knew already). Hopefully it'll still be a big sales boost for Dalkey as the book does bolster a lot of possible theories on the mysteries of the show.

Now reading Lewycka's A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian.

zan, Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

I notice some of the text corresponds to one of the interviews in the Scorcese documentary. I thought maybe Dylan had written this book rather than speak it to some flunky to write down and no doubt edit. Alas, no?

It's true that the interview and the book correlate quite interestingly - maybe one provoked the other to happen. But if you are concerned that the book is a transcript of Dylan talking, rather than properly written by him -- that has never been claimed that I have seen, there is no evidence for it that I am aware of. Actually, if it had been edited by an ordinary writer, it would probably have fewer flat little sentences going nowhere, leaving aside the many extraordinary ones.

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

[Street Parties for JtN]

Meanwhile - Myles and Pynchon - wow! it's all happening here.

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Nearing the end of Chronicles. The whole section on Daniel Lanois and New Orleans just dragged, although I wondered if Dylan's descriptions of the city might be used in the future as a 'capture' of the time.

I much prefer the writing when he switches to Woody Guthrie, when the the perspective shifts, humility surfaces and it reads more like a fan.

My copy has 'book of the year' plastered all over the back cover. On closer analysis, these people include Gryff Rhys Jones, Caitlan Moran and (never forgiven him for that composer in a dream book), Kazuo Ishiguro.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 7 October 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Should I get that Mr Norrel book at half price from Books etc?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

G: OK, they're silly people, but forget them. It's my book of the year also. Unlike you I think the New Orleans material staggeringly good: I read it on a train to Glasgow and chucked at it for about 2 hours, doubtless disturbing the commuters and holidaymakers. It's fantastic, I don't know how you missed the hilarity!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I think maybe what happened in New Orleans drops a shadow over the writing. Obviously, I don't blame Dylan for Katrina.

The one thing I take from this book is calling people at work, 'Cat'.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Like on Eastenders?

I have just finished Augusten Burroughs' Running with Scissors, which I found most enjoyable. Now I am going to read The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead by Max Brooks. I suspect this book will change my life! I live in fear of zombie attacks.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 8 October 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm about fifty pages into Pushkin's Eugene Onegin - in the translation by Charles Johnston.

This translation gives Pushkin a voice quite reminiscent of Byron in Don Juan in terms of wit and wordplay, but the tone is less manic and the satire gentler and more affectionate. I quite like it.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 8 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

I put the zombie book to one side. It is quite frightening and suggests a world filled with gun-toting humans and shambling zombies. Much like America! Hahahahahaha! Phear my satire!

Now I am reading Jonathan Lethem's Gun, With Occasional Music, which is very good in a Chandler/Dick crossover stylee.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 10 October 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading Mahabharata and it's a huge book in two volumes. Together they consist of 3000+ A4 size pages with small font and text divided into two columns. I guess it's the longest epic in the world.

Fred (Fred), Monday, 10 October 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

Just started Embers by Sandor Marai, after finishing the Dylan memoir. Also working through Consciousness Explained by Daniel C. Dennett.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 10 October 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Finished Chronicles. Thought I would enjoy it all, but I only liked bits. The best was right at the end when Dylan discovers Robert Johnson's music. He's in his bare New York bedsit with a record player and says, "it was like a ghost had walked into the room." A perfect description of Robert Johnson.

I bought a Woody Guthrie CD yesterday. Best song title? "See that my skillet is kept good and greasy"

Now Reading Richard Brautigan - An Unfortunate Woman. His last book and full of weariness.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 10 October 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

I seriously do not get Robert Johnson. He is no Skip James.

I am reading a relatively dumb book about wine. Herodotus keeps a slow pace; the Persians are so close!

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 October 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

Just read Salman Rushdie's short story collection "East, West" the other day. For some reason I've never felt any interest in reading him, but I had a great time with this, particularly the last story: "The Courter". It's time for me to read more by him.

Now reading one of Philip K. Dick's earliest novels: "The World Jones Made", which is fun pulp SF/fantasy. Definitely not as strange as the material from his last ten years, which is all I've really been familiar with up to now.

Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

Shame and Midnight's Children are both very good, and I quite like The Satanic Verses, but I think it's all downhill after that.
Currently reading The Plot Against America, so far, so good.

Ray (Ray), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Thank you. I know the library has "Shame" in English, but only Norwegian translations of the others, so I'll go with that one.

Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Bret Easton Ellis - Lunar Park. I feel like I probably should have read other books by him before I read this one, but I'm enjoying it enough that I don't want to give it up just to read one of the others. If anyone thinks that his other books are crucial to understanding this one, then, please, stop me now.

Oh, and to whomever recommended Carver's "Cathedral" to me: thanks. I read it two nights ago, and it was inspiring.

zan, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm about fifty pages into Pushkin's Eugene Onegin - in the translation by Charles Johnston.

Aimless, let me know how you like this when you've finished. I'd like to read it.

I'm reading 'Bobbed Hair and Bathtub Gin' by Marion Meade, though I'm not sure why, since it's not really a subject I haven't read about a million times before. Well written, though.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

I think I may have given up on In the Line of Beauty. About 200 pages in, I realised I was just skim-reading it.

Last night I started in on Alice Munro for the first time. 'Runaway'. Two stories down, this isn't really doing it for me, either.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Trous, I have struck out with Alice Munro, too -- I found Lives of Girls and Women utterly the opposite of engrossing. I was hoping the short stories would hold up better but I'll take your word for it.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Casuistry, when the Persians cross the Hellespont, events gather a bit of momentum. Once they reach Thermopylae, it's a fast sleigh ride all the way to Salamis. All the best bits are in there.

M. White - I will let you know about Onegin. So far so good.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I seriously do not get Robert Johnson. He is no Skip James.

Oh man, has there been a TS Johnson vs. James thread on ILM? There should be.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Started Devil in the White City by Erik Larson - a book club selection - and - thanks to having about 24hrs of combined airplane and train time for a recent vacation - actually finished it!

Not bad. There were lots of interesting facts about the fair, though at times the specifics of the bureaucratic infighting among the fair's planners got a bit tedious. And the H. H. Holmes serial killer story was fascinating, if a bit sensationalistic. I admire any book which makes an honest attempt to recreate the fabric of daily life in a bygone age - in this case the late 19th century.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Finally getting around to Possession by A.S. Byatt.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Blindness by Jose Saramago

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 10 October 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

I am not reading a thing at the moment. I recently have had no desire to read books. In fact, I am starting to kind of suspect that reading is a waste of time. WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME?!?!?!?! My identity is floating away on the ocean breeze.

stewart downes (sdownes), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I am currently reading Charles Portis' 'The Dog Of The South'. It is very funny and definitely one for you Brautigan / Carver fans.

Mog, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

Madame Bovary. The kind of book where there's loads of sex going on, but it isn't made explicit. Like one of those top shelf mags with big blocks of black covering the private parts.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

I rather liked Madame Bovary, only partially for the allusive rumpo.

I'm rereading Life a users manual, and Queneau's Exercises in Style. And agog waiting for a couple of Marry Hathews novels to arrive

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

MASS SUICIDE by tony alamo

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

I hope soon to be able to give a verdict on Green's Loving.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

When I was on holiday I didn't read anything, really, except travel guides and some bits about the local architecture and that; I think only uncharitable souls would insist that I had broken my Two Word October rule. And the uncharitable souls are elsewhere, I understand.

So now I'm back and making slow progress with "The Towpath". This would not usually be worthy of comment, but I'm enjoying it very much and I'll normally be impatient with the slow.

Matt! Which Mathewses? I have yet to read the correct Mathews book for me, though I'm sure it's out there, though perhaps not Out There.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I have finished Gun, With Occasional Music, which was much fun. Now I am reading The Time Traveller's Wife, which is an ideal escapist fun and girly read for those rainy winter evenings on the train to Laytown.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

The Master and Margerita it's a WOW so far.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

been trying to read frank herbert's 'whipping star' (70p in so far) but my brain is fucking fried lately...though maybe that's for the best if i'm getting some of the aspects of the story that i think i am.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

I finished Gravity's Rainbow last night and now I think it's time for something light and fluffy and heavily illustrated, before I plunge into Ulysses.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Where is Laytown?

the finefox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

I hope that wasn't a stupid question.

the finefox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

The Mathewses that I have enjoyed: The Orchard, 20 Lines A Day, the essays.

The Mathewses where, not so much: The Sinking Of The Or[darek?] Stadium, despite its obvious appeal, Selected Declarations Of [whatever it was].

The Mathewses which I really should get around to reading: Singular Pleasures, that story that's written like a cook book recipe that my friend keeps raving about.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Foxor! It's not a stupid question. Laytown is in that little bit of Meath that has a coastline, just before you get to Drogheda. It's an hour on the train of staring at your book and staring out the window at the sea. Or, at this time of year, staring at your tired face in the black window.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

The Time Travellers Wife is lovely. My girlfriend cried after finishing it. There again, she also cried at the end of the Doctor Who episode where Billie Piper's dad died.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)

I cried at both those things. And I rarely cry.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

I think I would like Laytown.

I am reading Badenheim 1939 by Aharon Appelfeld. It is one of those "am I missing something?" books, in a good way. For some reasonm it makes me think of the Montreaux Jazz Festival, which in turn makes me think of Smoke On The Water.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Super-Cannes JG Ballard

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

The Rivers ran East by Leonard Clark, I'm a very slow reader these days, so I'm not sure I like this one as I'm not really into it. But my escapist mood has definitely been turning from children literature to travel&exploration books these days so, well, i'll keep going

misshajim (strand), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

I think I would like Laytown.

I love Laytown. These days it's dark when I take the dogs walking in the morning and I only know where the horizon is because I can see the lights of the fishing boats out there. It's very romantic. Also I saw a guy scrape a guy with a knife in the city centre today and they were screaming at each other and there was blood everywhere, and that kind of thing doesn't really happen in Laytown.

To get back to books, I just love The Time Traveller's Wife so far. It's one of those books I want to sneak home early from work to read.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Laytown sounds like it is tailor-made for euphemism. As in, "Hey honey, fancy taking the Snogbus to Laytown?".

Maybe it's just me.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I am going to reread Lipstick Traces

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 13 October 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

You are so totally on one, Jerry. Everyone knows you get there on the Rumpo Express.

I finished Badenheim 1939. I would like to compare and contrast it with Joe Orton's Butlins thing, but I can't remember what it's called. Any road, it's a good book, although I'm sure Hebrew readers get more from it than us honkies.

I started Beryl Bainbridge's Young Adolf, but I don't think I can be bothered with it at the moment. Perhaps I will go back to Clare Short's thrilling memoir, before getting stuck into The Hearing Trumpet, which I hope is the novelistic equivalent of George Fell Into His French Horn.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 13 October 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

a smorgasboard this week, maybe. some of david stern's newish book on wittgenstein, the wilhelms lecturing on the i ching, this and that from and on aristotle, a couple of paragraphs from finnegans wake i didn't understand but whose wonderful sound pleased both me and my companion, the investigations, 'projective verse', fragments of democritus and leucippus, some more randall collins on interaction rituals, tzvetan todorov's introduction to poetics (less of a finish than i'd hoped for), and some more i'm sure.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

The handy In Anger again.

Jerry the Nipper gave it (to) me!

the pinefox, Friday, 14 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

A Book of Common Prayer by Joan Didion

youn, Friday, 14 October 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Absurd Drama

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 15 October 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Arthur & George

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Saturday, 15 October 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

just finished Reed's Terrible Twos, onto the Spoon River Anthology.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

gunter grass!

sterl what else of his have you read? i enjoyed and admired 'pallbearers' but found it kind of hard to get comfortable with his style, i mean in the sense of being able to react readily to what i recognized as much funnier/biting/moving writing than my reactions made it out to be. it was almost as if i hadn't found the right way to read individual sentences and also to go from sentence to sentence: not the right speed somehow (yever read adorno's essay on how to read hegel? kinda like that: 'hegel demands to be read slowly, and quickly, at the same time). 'mumbo jumbo' and 'radio' are still on the shelf lying in wait.

Josh (Josh), Sunday, 16 October 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Human Croquet by Kate Atkinson.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Sunday, 16 October 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

Are you lying Navek Rednam? I thought it was due to release in January.

Fred (Fred), Sunday, 16 October 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Nope

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Sunday, 16 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

I've only read mumbo jumbo and a bunch of essays before. There are about three or four others that ppl. have highly praised to me, that I'll get to eventually.

I see what you mean about the pace thing though. Terrible Twos has this fantastic opening montage and then falls into a v. funny imitation "airplane thriller" mode rapidly. I found myself having to flip back to remind myself who characters were b/c they get an intro scene where everything important about them is sorta casually established, then they just start moving in full speed. I figured the best way was to keep going fast with it, b/c the gags while great are never v. subtle and eventually get full play even if there's "subtle" foreshadowing before. Reed's not really a character novelist so much as a satirist, so I think powering thru his books is the most rewarding way.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 16 October 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

i'm reading balzac - old goriot. i don't have time for reading but i'm doing it anyway because it's better than physics.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 16 October 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Richard Brautigan - The Edna Webster Collection of Undiscovered Writings. Variable teenage poems and short stories.

I bought one of his poems in a little limited edition pamphlet from Red Snapper on Saturday. It's cuter than a pretty girl in a tight top.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 17 October 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

When I'm feeling cheeky, I call my Dad Pere Goriot because he's way too soft on my sister and me.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 17 October 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Man, I'm a slow reader. I finished Molesworth yesterday (approx. 3 weeks) and am now going to try to get back into North and South (approx 4 months so far), which turned into such a slog before I was happy to give it up for something silly. Must ... finish ... what ... I've ... started ...

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 17 October 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

The Black Cauldron. I just wish that Alexander had nicked more from Tolkien than character ideas, ie that the books were LONGER. I'm getting through them far too fast.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 17 October 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Finished Bret Easton Ellis (I was actually quite scared by it), and am now restricting myself to useful things. So I'm reading Rachel May's The Translator in the Text: On Reading Russian Literature in English.

zan, Monday, 17 October 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, useful reading: Library User Education: Powerful Learning, Powerful Partnerships. YAWWWWWWWWN.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Sounds powerful.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Aimless, let me know how you like [Eugene Onegin] when you've finished. I'd like to read it.

OK. I finally finished it. It took so long because of complications in my life, not because it was too boring or difficult. Actually, it is a fairly swift read for a versified novelette.

With a verse translation it is very hard to know how much of your impression is due to the original and how much to the filter it has been run through. I thought the first half was wittier and more sparkling, the next quarter section was less brilliant, and the final quarter recovered its footing - though not so much in terms of wit or sparkle, but mainly in terms of characterization and added depth.

I'd recommend it. It comes across very well in the Charles Johnston translation.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Finally finished Sons and Lovers after taking a multi-month break. I'm glad I read it - although my tolerance for fiction these days is at an ebb, even for high quality fiction. Now I've returned to Wealth & Democracy, which I'd also set aside a few months back.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Fallen by David Maine, its a retelling of the story of Cain and Abel and the expulsion of Adam and Eve. Maine also wrote The Preservationist which tells the story of Noah's Ark which was pretty good too.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm in the middle of the Periodic Table by Primo Levi and The Heart That Bleeds by Alma Guillermoprieto. She's fantastic, but I'm not really into the Levi yet. I have to have it finished by Thursday, though, so maybe I'll get into it by then.

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

I have given up on North and South again and have started Valley of the Dolls instead. I think this is a book I'm going to whizz through, for once.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Emphyrio, by Jack Vance. More old-timey (but not dated) SF from the Masterworks series.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

Madchen, I worked at RAF Molesworth during the Cold War, you know. If you stood on the top of one of the half-built buildings, you could see the nuclear silos in the distance. It was, I must say, a chilling sight.

That is my interesting fact for the day.

About a quarter of the way through Bob Dylan's Chronicles, I decided I didn't care about his life or Dave Van Ronk's coat and gave up. I liked the bits that serve as a practical manual for artistic endeavour, but you could just put those in a pamphlet and have done.

So now I am reading At Swim-Two-Birds again. Not from the begining though!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

James Joyce, Ulysses.

the finefox, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Ooh la la.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

(j/k)

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Me too Pinefox, as part of the Gravity's Rainbow vs. Ulysses literary deathmatch.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Mongo Beti's The Poor Christ of Bomba

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

I finished Herodotus! I am forging myself a medal right now.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy.
Like Don Quixote, this is a really funny book which sat untouched on my bookshelf for a stupid length of time. So now I'm reading it. And laughing.

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

As one always should, I am following PJM's lead (though unintentionally) and reading At Swim-Two-Birds.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

Perfect Pitch. A collection of 'literary' football stories, both non and non-non fiction. Edited by Simon Kuper, the Joyce of the terraces.

Some great writing on Cantona by Jim White and on Tino Asprilla by some bloke. A reread from 1997.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

I really want to read Tristram Shandy after the thing in the Graun yesterday.

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

It is always a pleasure to have you at my rear, Archel, intentionally or otherwise. It is a slippery book, At Swim-Two-Birds. However, I have dived into Elusive Peace: How The Holy Land Defeated America. It is very good. Gripping, even. Madeleine Albright has a vast collection of lion brooches.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

I am about 60 pages into Paul Morley's 'Nothing'. I am considering giving up because of his annoying stylistic tic of ending every sentence with a contradictory statement. Or not.

Mog, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

terrible book. i gave up too, mog. it was giving me a tense nervous headache and a strong desire to hurt someone... and i LOVE Paul Morley!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

I adored "Nothing", I felt that he would generally throw in those tics when he was getting close to saying things which really hurt. That seemed to make it OK, to me, but then I suppose I rather like in-sentence negation myself.

After nearly three weeks of two-word October I've FINALLY finished "The Towpath" by Jesus Moncada. I'm sorry it's swallowed so much of the month but I'm delighted I took my time over it because its a marvellous thing. It reminds me a bit of "Life A Users Manual", and that can hardly be a bad thing, but it's much less structured and formal than LAUM, its stories are told in fragmented memories. Where the order of the House in Rue Simon-Crubellier sits at the centre of LAUM, at the centre of TT there's the river Ebro.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

Slam Dunks and No Brainers Leslie Savan

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

I sat in front of my bookshelves last night looking for something slim and a story that I couldn't remember reading.

I had Miles Davis' Sketches of Spain blaring from the speakers and the Real Madrid game on mute on the telly. It's goes without saying that a bottle of wine was slowly emptying.

Kurt Vonnegut - Mother Night.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand why Kuper is the Joyce of the terraces. Presumably he isn't.

I feel that PJM, the pied piper of ILB, is following me on this one.

I disagree with the people who don't like Nothing, and agree with those who do. I dare say I am repeating myself, again.

Jaq, I feel it is a one-sided match, and thus not, come to think of it, a game of two halves.

I did not get far with Shandy but want to see Rob Brydon's cinematic contribution.

I have finished In Anger! It's extensively informative, a copper mine of raw material.

the pinefox, Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

Please note: I have read a 'proper' book that The Pinefox hasn't. I must start claiming that it is my favourite.

Rob Brydon is very funny in that film.

What is The Towpath called in foreign, Tim?

Had I not given it away, I would give Nothing another whirl.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

PJM it's apparently called "Camí de sirga", but I don't know which brand of foreign that is.

The book is set in Catalonia and there are a few references to people speaking halting Castillian, so maybe it's Catalan? I imagine that the answer is obvious to you PJM with your language skeez and therefore this paragraph is just so many useless words.

I should warn you that it's one of those big swirling histories of a town through the generations, so if you hate those it's probably best to avoid it. OK?

Oh look here is a linky: http://www.escriptors.com/autors/moncadaj/index.php

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I agree on the one-sided-ness of the match, Pinefox. In fact, I wonder why people believe the two can even be compared.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm enjoying At Swim... I find that I'm having to read it like I read poetry and not like I read novels. Ie. slowly and going for every word rather than skimming down the central zone of the page.

I started to read Bill Bryson's History of Nearly Everything or whatever it's called, last night. I got to the bit about Schiehallion and measuring the mass of the Earth with plumb lines and stuff, and then a programme all about it came on the radio. SPOOKY.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it is Catalan. So sod it. I will now follow the link.

Swim-Birds is very musical, I think. It does rather remind me of Joyce though. Why this should be bad, I don't know. I see Brian Glover in the role of the uncle.

Foxy, Rob Bonnet has left The Rob Bonnet Show :-(

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

He is/was a baldy beardy, this Towpath chappie.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

slowly and going for every word rather than skimming down the central zone of the page.
That's how I read pretty much everything. I wish I could teach myself to do some faster techniques or simply get more used to skimming, as I have a few books that I'm finding interesting plotwise, but keep giving up on because of the language (most recently: Vernor Vinge's "A Deepness in the Sky")

Hrm, maybe that's why I often find books like At Swim easier to read than any number of pulpy "easy reads". I feel like all the words I read actually give me something back, and so get more involved.

I'm currently reading Italo Calvino's "Why read the classics"? So far it's made me want to read Xenophon.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

I wonder how much early experiences of reading shape this? A friend of mine when learning to read would substitute every unknown word with 'sugarplum' in her head. Oddly, I think this was a common technique so kids woudn't grind to a halt when encountering something unfamiliar. I just skipped ahead without caring about the unknown word (though I'm sure as I got more sophisticated I would try to define it from the surrounding context).

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Funnily enough, having persevered with 'Nothing' I'm actually rather starting to get into it. I think it's because he's stopped cocking around and got to grips with some kind of narrative.

Mog, Friday, 21 October 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

I got halfway through "The Recognitions" before giving up on it. Am now alternating between "Underground" by Murakami and "Where I'm Calling From" by Raymond Carver.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

why did you give up on The Recognitions, n/a?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Any of the parts of the book that focused on the main character were very difficult for me to read, due to long, dense allusions to pagan religions and ancient Christianity which I didn't comprehend at all. This wasn't a problem for most of the book, as he was talking to other, more "normal" (readable) characters. But then I hit a long section in the middle where he's just hanging out with his dad, who's basically an even more esoteric, incomprehensible version of him, and it was like 50 pages of random references that I couldn't process, and so I just gave up. :(

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Just finished Roddy Doyle's Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha. Just started George Saunder's The Brief and Frightening Reign of Phil.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Øystein, by all means, read Xenophon. The Anabasis is the gateway drug, but for quaint historical curiosity my money is on the Cyropaedia, which sadly is only available in the Loeb Library edition, making it very hard to come by in the natural course of things.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Oh I want to read that Saunders so badly. Did you see Ben Stiller bought the rights to make Civilwarland into a movie? I'm not sure how that would turn out.

wmlynch (wlynch), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Actually it's the first Saunders I've read. So far it's VERY funny. It's also very short - should hopefully finish it up tonight. Would you say Civilwarland is the one I should read next (I already had it on my to buy list)?

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Juan Goytisolo - The Blind Rider.

Time is a blind rider who no one can unsaddle, you know.

It is very good and very short.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)

Here is a mildly diverting article from The Guardian, which I am not sure I believe:


One in three has bought a book just to look intelligent

John Ezard
Monday October 24, 2005
The Guardian


Books are the new snobbery, according to a survey today. Social competitiveness about which titles we read has become one of the new mass forces of the era and only middle-aged people are relatively free of it.
Driven partly by pressure from incessant literary prize shortlists, more than one in three consumers in London and the south-east admit having bought a book "solely to look intelligent", the YouGov survey says.

It finds one in every eight young people confessing to choosing a book "simply to be seen with the latest shortlisted title". This herd instinct dwindles to affect only one in 20 over-50 year-olds.

The British Airports Authority and the travel website Expedia, which jointly commissioned the poll of 2,100 people as a prelude to their own travel books prize ceremony on Tuesday, say it suggests snobbery is no longer just a matter of keeping up with the Joneses.
"The latest literary pressure is keeping up with the rest of your fellow travellers and commuters. Bookshelf contents are fast becoming as studied and planned as outfits as a way to impress others. Books shortlisted for prestigious literary panel awards are becoming 'de rigueur' reading for many."

Yet the results indicate that "reading" is a relative term. When asked about specific titles, only one in 25 people turn out to have read the novel chosen as the best in the Booker prize's 25-year history, Salman Rushdie's Midnight's Children - and half these had failed to finish it.

Only one in 100 had read Andrew Levy's Small Island, picked earlier this month as the best of all Orange prize winners. Not a single reader had yet opened this month's Booker winner, John Banville's The Sea.

Other strongly publicised titles endorsed by literary panels fare only slightly better. One in 20 members of the public has read Zadie Smith's White Teeth and only one in 25 Yann Martel's Life of Pi or Paulo Coelho's The Alchemist.

Some consumers hedge their bets by keeping two titles on the go - one an impressive book to show other people, the other an escapist work to enjoy.

The biggest group, more than two in every five people, follows the traditional method of choosing their reading; relying on recommendations from close family and friends.

The sample's own top 10 titles, a mixture of classic and popular, is: the Bible, Lord of the Rings, one or other of the Harry Potter stories, Catch-22, Animal Farm, The Hobbit, Pride and Prejudice, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Da Vinci Code, Wuthering Heights.

Elyas Choudhury, an Expedia director, said yesterday: "We seem to have lost sight of the fact that reading a book should be a personal, enjoyable and relaxing experience, not one dictated by social pressure."

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

doesn't apply to me. I don't show off.

Fred (Fred), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

n/a - have you seen this guide to the recognitions?

http://www.williamgaddis.org/recognitions/annota.shtml

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

Over the weekend I read Graham Greene - Dr Fischer of Geneva. Now I'm struggling through Andre Gide - Straight is the Gait.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

I am, if on my commute I have the time, evidently, trying, though with much difficulty, to read, as it were, Henry James' "Turn of the Screw."

There surely must be a million papers written on Mr. James' sentence structure and use of the comma. It's as if he's translated his own stories from the Russian. It's driving me absolutely bonkers.

zan, Monday, 24 October 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

I like Straight is the Gate. I had to read it in Frog for my A level.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

I seem to be well into Honey in the Horn by H.L. Davis, a pioneer tale with a pungent humor. It won a Pulitzer back in the day (1935). Davis is probably the best Oregon author writing during the time between C.E.S. Wood and Ken Kesey.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Actually it's the first Saunders I've read. So far it's VERY funny. It's also very short - should hopefully finish it up tonight. Would you say Civilwarland is the one I should read next (I already had it on my to buy list)?

-- Jeff LeVine (jeffl

Jeff, I'd say go for Civilwarland next, but I think Pastoralia is equally brilliant. I haven't read a dud story by him yet. The last couple stories (in Harper's and New Yorker) have been extremely dark though.

wmlynch (wlynch), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I've just finished yet another Phillipa Gregory book. Now I'm reading Jon Ronson's Men Who Stare at Goats. I wish I knew Jon Ronson.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Rational Mysticism by John Horgan: fascinating!
Triton by Sam Delaney: so-so.
Collected Works of Wislawa Szymborsk: brilliant

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Finished the Sandor Marai mentioned above. It was good. Now I'm reading The Easter Parade because various people (including on ILX) have raved about Richard Yates. I'm about halfway through and digging it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Now I’m a little over halfway into Donald Richie’s Japan Journals (1947-2004). I’m enjoying it. I’m actually really surprised how concise and interesting / thoughtful almost every entry is (I’m sure they were worked over some for publication). A lot of territory is covered. It was weird to start the weekend reading his early entries, say, about reading Gide right at the end of WWII, then at the end of the weekend to be reading entries where he’s already reflecting back on first reading Gide forty years before. Now that I’ve reached the 90s it seems he wrote his entries much more frequently, which is good, except now everybody he knows is dying. The funerals have begun in earnest.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

I am loving loving Ulysses. I read Gravity's Rainbow with trepidation, like a dose of bitter medicine, like something to just get over with. The slapstick and junior high humor palled quickly; there was no joy in it really. I had a stockpile of other books at hand to breath for fresh air, and it was no loss when it was so fizzlingly over.

But. Ulysses. It is amazing. Why did I wait so long? Because I read Edna O'Brien's bio first, decided Joyce as a prick and a half and wanted nothing to do with anything he wrote. But I like Modigliani too and he was a worse one, so I have to be over that particular conceit. Guess I've moved into the Camille Paglia/Picasso-machine-gunning-grandmas phase. The Sirens have just started their overture.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

The Hearing Trumpet by Leonora Carrington. (Second attempt.)

The Blind Rider was good.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

What's your secret Jaq? Tell me your secret.

Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

After the fun of one-word September, two-word October is not being a big success.

First I was on holiday for a week and read NOWT, although I carried "The Towpath" around the Low Countries with me just in case. It even emerged from my bag once. Then it took me another week and a half to get through it, though I loved it (see above). Then I started on "Blockade Diary" by Lidiya Ginzburg which I found irksome (primarily because it seemed to consist mostly of unsupported musings on the Human Condition in extremis, which it has every right to (I suppose) but I have the equal and opposite right to abandon the book, which I did because it started reminding me of Alain de Botton).

Now I've moved on to "Second Harvest" by Jean Giono, which is gorgeous Giono pastoral, not very challenging but all the better for that because I'm challenged enough at the moment.

It doesn't look as though I'll have time to get to the fat volume of "Independent People" by Halldor Laxness, and it's on a lend. Maybe I'll have to abandon the Project.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

The World Accoring to Garp by John Irving. Just Started. Straight is the Gate was awful.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Jaq, about his / her opinions, about those two books.

Foxy, Rob Bonnet has left The Rob Bonnet Show :-(

I can't believe it! Where could he go?

I don't read novels like Archel, and can hardly imagine doing so: I think I read them more like she says she reads poetry. Which also means, slowly, no doubt.

I am rereading The Crying of Lot 49. Amazingly, its richness endures and renews itself.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I have a secret, Fred. I'm reading less with an eye to understanding, more with an eye to enjoyment.

Pinefox, I had lost heart that anything by Pynchon would be endurable, after GR. Mr. Jaq (aka moriarty, in here) has been reading V and his reports made it sound more of the same. But I will try The Crying of Lot 49 sometime.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Was getting ridiculously fed up with Henry James (oh, my, as it were, god), so I've picked up Orhan Pamuk's Snow again. I failed to finish it a year ago, as much as I loved it, and want to give it another chance.

zan, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Jaq, The Crying is worth checking out even if you didn't like Gravity's Rainbow. It moves by much quicker and I think has a momentum he can't sustain in some of his other works. Then again I love pretty much everything Pynchon's written. V kinda is unendurable. I think he didn't quite get it together on that one, but I still enjoyed it.

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

CoL49 is the Pynchon for people who don't like Pynchon, as opposed to Mason & Dixon, which is the Pynchon that people who don't like Pynchon think they will like.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

First I was on holiday for a week and read NOWT

I read too much internet. I looked at this sentence and was trying to figure out what NOWT could possibly stand for.

Sigh.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Vineland is the Pynchon people who like Pynchon think they won't like. Does that work?

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Why can't different people like some books by Pynchon and dislike others?

As, of course, they do.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

aw don't be that way the pinefox! i'm just genuinely curious.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

My post offered no jibe at you, Josh; only a straightforward statement. It is untrue to say that someone who likes CL49 but either dislikes the rest, or even has not read anything else, 'doesn't like Pynchon'. It is true to say that they like one of Pynchon's texts, but not the others; and that is true too of, say, the GR fan who dislikes CL49.

I started the thread on CL49 not at all to wrangle over GR - that has been done before - but to marvel at the earlier book. Perhaps I will try to sprinkle it with more marvels and marvel, to show why. I still have about 30+pp to go in this rereading.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

i admit i was not adequately keeping chris's post in mind when responding to yours. i just was worried you might feel i was beginning to hassle you in the other thread despite your having clearly stated your relative dislike for gr in the past!

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

I have finished The Hearing Trumpet. It is the ravings of a madwoman. I have not decided whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.

Now I will start Forty Stories by my fellow Papercuts contributor Donald Barthelme.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

Yes, he was a docile colleague.

I don't think the editor ever paid him a cent.

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

"I laugh in the face of copyright" were his exact words.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

"so I am glad"

c7n (Cozen), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Kosovan?

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

I am reading Forty Stories too! It is taking forever as I don't like reading more than one at a sitting.

That Casuistry post about Pynchon is cutting, to me, and rings right, but I really dig the Pinefox's reply, too.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Is an author defined by the sum of their books, or the mode of them? I think the latter is more useful, but the Pinefox is more pure and argues the former.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 28 October 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

at the moment i am reading:

r.g. collingwood's 'essay on philosophical method'
danto's 'nietzsche as philosopher'
the opening passages of gravity's rainbow, again
a bit of the yates 'art of memory' i just bought

so far danto writes like a motherfucker, even early on in his second book (published the same year as his first book).

Josh (Josh), Friday, 28 October 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

I finished Valley of the Dolls this morning. It reminded me of the Flowers in the Attic, but with different drugs and less incest. I will continue to dumb down with Snicket 12. The last couple have been a bit disappointing and I'm getting sick of the formula so I am hoping to be surprised by this one. When I've finished that, I will try for something brane-stretching.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 28 October 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

I did not dig Donald Barthelme.

I have started Zipper and his Father by Joseph Roth.

I think that, deep down, I like proper stories where things happen. Everything else seems a bit like cheating.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 October 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

I also started Shampoo World and found it equally annoying.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

I just read the harrowing chapter in 'Tropical Truth' where Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil get put in the Slammer by The Man. I'm looking forward to the next bit where they come to London.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 October 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

I am reading "Those Feet" which bills itself as "a sensual history of English football". The first bit's mostly about public school attitudes to m@sturbation. Then the author does this thing where he traces lots of heroes called Roy Keane (or similar) in English boys stories, somewhat in the manner of Greil Marcus finding John Lydons causing bother through history.

It's alright.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 28 October 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Sensual!

I don't think I buy that idea about the names. But 'Stephen / Steven' is always a good one.

I don't know that I understand Josh's last sentence. Americans!

the pinefox, Friday, 28 October 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

PJM, did you ever read The Truth About Babies?

the pinefox, Friday, 28 October 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but I didn't finish it. It said nothing to me about my life.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Wait wait Snicket 12 is out!? I don't think the last two were disappointing, really, I found eleven genuinely terrifying 'cos of the pressure from the crel conclusion leaking into into it and taking away my certainty that it would end alright.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading Stephen Fry's Making History, picked it up in the shop because I wanted something light to read on the train on the way home and my Zombie Survival Guide is actually starting to give me the heebie jeebies. Found myself walking the dogs on the beach in the dark this morning and getting all upset at the thought of bumping into the undead out for a morning shamble.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

pynchon's "gravity's rainbow"; i just started.

Peter Densmore (pbnmyj), Friday, 28 October 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Good luck.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Friday, 28 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Finished The Easter Parade. I liked it a lot -- pretty grim, but well observed and enough touches of sardonic humor to keep it from being only depressing (though depressing it is). I'd like to read more Yates.

Now I think I'll do this Borges collection. I've only read a few stories here and there.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

FInished "The Hunchback of Notre-Dame." Began "The Princess Casamassima." Nineteenth-century novels rule.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 31 October 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

The new Didion, and the DFW Oblivion collection now that it's in paperback.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 31 October 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

I finished Zipper and his Father. It's OK.

I am back on Elusive Peace. It is very good, but unfortunatley the bit I was reading this morning coincided with hteh ten minutes or so I saw on television. On the plus side, this ceheers me up that I didn't watch it all.

My reading pile is as follows:

Brick Lane - Monica Ali
Smell Island - Andrea Levy
Notes on a Scandal - Zoe Something
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown
Fishmarket Close - Inspector Rebus

So it is going to be middlebrow popular fiction month, I think. They are all books that you see people reading on the train. I need to connect with my fellow commuters.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 31 October 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

I have been in bed for a week, too ill even to read properly. It was all re-reading old mystery novels in the middle of the night and listening to Radio 4, which after a solid week starts to feel much like Groundhog Day. I have never understood why they have to repeat things like Start the Week within the SAME DAY. Or things like Money Box, at all.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 31 October 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

I thought that Rebus novel was called Fleshmarket Close? Because, when I saw the cover, I was intrigued that it didn't look to be a photo of Fleshmarket Close itself.

(I alway enjoy spotting the photo locations for the covers of Inspector Rebus books. One of them - I think it was a compendium rather than a single novel - had my old local pub on it)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 31 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Fleshmarket. I got it wrong.

Sorry to hear about your illness, Archie. I like repeated radio programmes, it is a hangover from my World Service days, when repeated programmes felt like old friends before the day was out.

I nearly listened to Money Box, but I started watching Austin Powers instead. It was very poor. I should have stuck with Money Box.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

That last paragraph is just priceless!

the boxfox, Monday, 31 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh dear. "Poor" was an accident.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 31 October 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Moneybox! Poor! Priceless! OTM!

I will clear up the last thirty pages of the OK but underwhelming "Those Feet" to round off two word October just in time. It has one or two interesting historical bits but it works with too hobbled and cliched a definition of Englishness to be of any real use to me.

I hope I like books with three word titles more.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

rereading some plato for the first time since i read these particular dialogues as an undergrad - and finding a lot to be surprised at.

a load of books on nietzsche from the liberry, thinking about whether to teach 'the gay science' this spring or what to say about it exactly.

also, the newspaper. this is unusual for me.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

I've been waiting in for the new Didion at the library, but it has been in cataloging for *weeks*.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

I am starting the three word month with "The Moro Affair" by Leonardo Sciascia. So far it's a marvel. Sciascia's a writer and and politician and his approach to writing about the whole brutal business has been - initially at least - to talk about its language(s). It begins with a bald chronology of events leading up to Moro's death. The first sentence of chapter one: "Out for a stroll last night, I saw a glow-worm in the cracked plaster of a wall." I knew I was going to be OK here.

I very much like typing, and looking at, the word Sciascia. I'm not sure how to pronounce it correctly.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

reading a bunch of rec reviews by christopher delaurenti

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

Sothat's where you've been, Archel, I was wondering. Hope you feel better.

I'm still reading Mathews' The journalist, as well as Kevin Jackson's invisible forms for research purposes and what have you. I will read something actually just for fun soon, I'm sure. Not that these aren't enjoyable, but I have ulterior motives.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell - Susanna Clarke. Started this morning. Finished Garp and still digesting it.

I finished it in the cafe of the Cabaret Voltaire in Zurich. Oh yay.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure how to pronounce it correctly

sha-sha

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

And now I even like saying it!

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

It puts me in mind of terrible backache.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I read Coetzee's "Foe" today. Dammitall, I didn't get that short last chapter at all.

Starting Ishmael Reed's "Mumbo Jumbo" now. Let's be done with wiggle and wobble!

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

I thought he was a decent midfielder. A tragic story.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I finished up A Cordiall Water by MFK Fisher and reread Why I Have Not Written Any Of My Books by Marcel Bénabou (who did not show up to the conference after all, sadly) and started in on the Iliad and got most of the way through Brian Kim Stefans's book of essays Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics and a little further through Daily Life In Greece At The Time Of Pericles by Robert Flacelière. That was my train ride to and from Los Angeles. It was pretty nice.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Peej, have you ever had shatica?

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

ooh chris that pericles book sounds exciting! is it?


i read some more phaedo and more newspaper and started on a book about 'the gay science' called 'comic relief'.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

It is exactly what you might expect it to be. Written in French in 1959. Dry but not too dry, overly squeamish about the pederasty, filled with interesting tidbits and a few useless black and white photos. I like it well enough, it seems helpful.

I'm thinking of reading Phaedrus. But we'll see. I think I will disagree with it greatly, if I do read it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell I expected to more enthralled though, and am still waiting...

misshajim (strand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Memories Of My Melancholy Whores by Garcia Marquez.

I have finished Elusive Peace. Inevitably, it is a bit of an anti-climax. Nevertheless, Book Of The Year so far.

I have had a bad back that was so bad it made lavatorial processes more difficult than usual, if that's what you mean, Maddie.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

I've been meaning to read the Benabou for ages....

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

I need to track down his other books, I think.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

The Absent City by Ricardo Piglia.

wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 3 November 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

Under Fire by Dan Cruikshank and David Vincent. About cultural treasures under threat from violence in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel and Environs. From the bargain bucket in WHSmiths.

I also started Dining On Stones by Iain Sinclair, but it seems a bit difficult for my jellied brain. No doubt very good though. It is also a bit London-centric, which makes it read like onw of those ILE London bus route threads. And the constant reference to roads reminds me of the dad out of The Kumars at Number 40.

I will read it when I calm down.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

picked up this reprint on jon savage's 'enagland's dreaming' (2nd hand) (w/added intro) (not read the prev edn).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

I am currently trying to read The System Of The World by Neal Stephenson, for, I think, the fourth time.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

I finished "The Moro Affair" which is an extraordinary little book, it takes the abduction and subsequent kidnap of Aldo Moro and thinks about it in a very literary way. Moro's captors (the Red Brigades) allowed him to write numerous letters to family, political allies and press, and TMA at times reads like a work of criticism concerning an epistolary novel. It doesn't give a great deal of context, which can make it hard work but in parts it's amazing. There's an astonishing passage about a gerund.

Now I'm reading "Roads To Santiago" by Cees Nooteboom. More non-fiction! It's a travel book, by my fave Dutch fiction writer, about Spain.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 4 November 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Ugh! Gerunds! I had one of those in my passge once.

I am back on Dining On Stones.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 November 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I meant a Gerbil, not a Gerund. Silly me!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 November 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

PJ Miller, if you are dining on stones, you might need a gerbil to excavate that passage. For me, I am trying to live Ulysses by drinking to excess. So far, no dwarves nor sex-shifting madams. Not trying hard enough, I think.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 5 November 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

I have read about 150 pages of Dining On Stones, and I really am none the wiser, if truth be told.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 6 November 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

I finished these over the weekend:

Don Quixote. The Rutherford translation.
Catcher in the Rye

I am moving on to any of these in the near future:

Assorted Ira Levin.
The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon
Gargantua and Pantagruel
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland/Through the Looking-Glass

mj (robert blake), Monday, 7 November 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

Suad Amiry - Sharon And My Mother-In-Law: Ramallah Diaries. Excellent.

Iain Sinclair on hold for the time being. Pleasde people tell me if all his books are like this. I know he gets biggied up a lot on ILE, so the answer is probably yes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 7 November 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

Kurt Vonnegut - Timequake. "People say when you get older, your legs or your eyesight are the first to go. No. Parallel parking is the first to go."

Re: Roads to Santiago. I picked up a momento in Santiago Cathedral in September (you get given it after paying respects to St James). I asked him to help West Ham out this season and have put it into my wallet for every home game since. We have not lost. Iago? Not just a Moor Slayer, he shores up the defence too.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 7 November 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

I just started 'The Quick and The Dead' by Joy Williams, which I was given as an Xmas present 3 years ago, and hadn't even thought to pick up until yesterday. It seems excellent, in an 'Harold and Maude' meets '6 Feet Under' meets mid-period Don DeLillo kind of way.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 7 November 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

I hope you love it, Jerry!

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

books - odd form of communion

youn, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

The Absent City fell somewhere in between Lethem's early novels and Paul Auster. And it includes an island where Finnegan's Wake is a reality. Pretty fucking rad.
Now I'm starting Mrs. Dalloway.

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:24 (twenty years ago)

Alright, I was wrong upthread about 'Nothing'. It turned out to be very good after all.

Now, for my sins, attempting to recapture my misspent youth with 'Dragonlance - the Second Generation'. (Hey, I need some autumn comfort reading, OK?) This I really am expecting to be quite bad.

Mog, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Wow: I would like to read Dragonlance! I only remember it for the White Dwarf adverts for it 20 years ago!

It probably has, how you say, THRILL-POWER (tm).

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Went to the library on Sat and then in quick succession devoured "Mr. Wilson's Cabinet of Wonder" by Lawrence Weschler and "Reefer Madness" by Eric Schlosser. In between, I started "Portnoy's Complaint" by Philip Roth but got irritated by it and put it down for now. Now I've just started "Narcocorrido" by Elijah Wald.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I was just at the Museum of Jurassic Technology last week! The book looks breezy and interesting. (The museum is completely brilliant.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Neil Gaiman’s Neverwhere.

I’m also reading bits and pieces of a book based on the Gilmore Girls television series. It’s hilarious! And oh so wrong.

From Orhan Pamuk to a book based on a TV series. Now that’s my kind of reading. Is Neil Gaiman the bridge that connects the two?

zan, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Gone tomorrow :the hidden life of garbage /by Heather Rogers.
An education in garbage I've been lacking.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

The book is great but I wish it was like 8 times longer. I would love to visit the museum but I don't see myself being in the LA area anytime soon. I heard about that book because I had had a similar idea for an art project (essentially a fake museum, though nowhere near as involved/believable as the MJT) and some Chicago ILXors referred me to the book.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

I just finished Mr. Sammler's Planet by Saul Bellow. I must read more from him.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

In Praise of Slow - BOR-ING!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Kurt Vonnegut - Breakfast of Champions. A badly cut edition, far from the usual rectangle.

Similar to Timequake with overlapping stories and characters. A throwaway science fiction story on every other page. Not sure what Vonngut makes of science fiction. He deliberately seems to write bad stories and then laugh at them. I personally don't care two hoots for science fiction, but there you go. Sorry, so it goes.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

I never understood why Vonnegut's fiction should go under the category of SciFi, but then I never agree with categories anyway... if you haven't yet, give Bluebeard a try, though, I think it is one of the best contemporary novels ever.

misshajim (strand), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read Bluebeard. He cross-references to it in Breakfast of Champions. A Vonnegut book is an overdose of ideas, all mixed together with world weariness, humour and imagination.

But, small doses required or brain explosion.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading The White Guard by Mikhail Bulgakov. Perfect book for fall or winter. It's about a family in Kiev that supported the Tsar being overtaken by events as civil war breaks out in the Ukraine after the Revolution. The narrative is kaleidoscopic, and there are glimmerings of the fantastical stuff Bulgakov did in M&M, and he's got the cool irony thing going, but overall it's more heartfelt than M&M (maybe because, as I understand it, it's more autobiographical than the later book). Why is this book not better known and more widely read? The translation seems iffy in parts, but otherwise it's fantastic.

Gail S, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

I have read nothing but crap lately. Inspired by the Books You Never Fail to See in Charity Shops thread, I read Princess by Jean Sasson. What a load of self-indulgent SHITE! And I read yet another Philippa Gregory book, although at least it was the other good one, and now I'm reading The Bookseller of Kabul, which isn't exactly hard going, but is at least interesting.

I have passed the fifty book mark, but I'm not reviving the thread for fear of mockery.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm still reading Tristram Shandy. My reading has slowed so much I might not even make the hundred mark...

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I tried reading The Glass Bead Game by Hesse and toppled over from somnolence. Now I am reading The Hill of Kronos by Peter Levi, a fairly well written book in the outsider-falls-in-love-with-Greece genre. It makes me want to read George Seferis's poetry.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm still reading Tristram Shandy

What version of this are you reading, Ray? I am currently reading this too -- I read the first volume over the last two days -- and I am finding all of the various footnotes in the Norton copy to be extremely elucidative. I recommend it; I think it is more helpful than the Penguin/Modern Library editions.

It could be, though, that none of that matters to you, or this is the version that you are using. In which case, just ignore what I said.

Anyhow, what I have read so far has been pretty damn solid. It can be difficult in spots, but his playfulness makes up for that.


mj (robert blake), Thursday, 10 November 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading the Everyman's Library edition, which doesn't come with any footnotes. Its not that its particularly difficult to understand, I just don't get to read as much as I used to...

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 10 November 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

The Da Vinci Code. I am not remotely gripped, but it's OK.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Jan Morris - Spain. A well written book full of strange ideas of predestination. The civil war? Inevitable if you look at the Spanish character. That's bunkum to me.

The rest is lovely and the idea of Spain as an island 'welded to the Pyranees' (as Auden earlier proclaimed) juxtaposed with Sancho Panza's king of the island experience, works a treat.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 November 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Finished the Gaiman on the way into work: brought the latest issue of The New Yorker to keep me occupied on the ride home.

Can anyone tell me whether or not the George R.R. Martin series is any good? Though I think I'm destined to read Nabokov or Dostoevsky next instead. Finding out that Richard Pevear doesn't really speak Russian makes the P/V translation of Brothers Karamazov all the more appealing.

zan, Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I like the GRRM series, but it's not finished yet so I'd hesitate to recommend it.

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Finally reading Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro after being on the library's reserve list for months.

Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Albert Hourani - A History of the Arab Peoples

56th attempt, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 11 November 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

56th attempt, I think.

Really? I found that pretty readable. Is it the book itself, or do you just keep getting sidetracked by other things?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure. It's a bit daunting, I suppose. I really should get it over and done with.

However...

I am now reading Head On by Julian Cope. It's OK. I think it is the only book in the world about Tamworth, but perhaps you know otherwise.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Back from holiday, and reading:

A Favourite of the Gods by Sybille Bedford
Library: an Unquiet History by Matthew Battles

And I am judging a poetry competition so I expect my reading for next few weeks to be very unfun.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Susan Hill - the Woman in Black. Whooo.

I also read a first English translation of the first Moomin book by Tove Jansson, The Little Trolls and the Great Flood.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

A bloke in a public toilet once asked me if I knew where such and such a theatre was where they were performing The Woman In Black. I thought it was some kind of Soho public toilet gay code.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 14 November 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

"Excuse me sir, where is the musical, Queen?"

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 November 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

When I was reading Tristram Shandy (the Penguin edition) the footnotes were like little bonbons rewarded to me after getting through a few of the sloggier pages. Not that the footnotes were that great, but it was a metric of progress, and TS, while great, is a bit uneven.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I am reading The Bookseller of Kabul, which is interesting but a little too light, really. I'm also reading Robert Hughes' Fatal Shore, back to books with pictures of ships on the cover! it's great. So far I have learned interesting facts about the aboriginal tribes who lived around what became Sydney. And I'm only fifty pages in.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

I just started Stephenson's Baroque Cycle… and 200 pages into the first volume I'm digging it, but I'm wondering exactly Where The Hell it's headed. It better be headed Somewhere… because there's only so much Isaac Newton sodomy one can stand.

pretentioRemy (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Just finished Plato's Gorgias, still reading the Iliad. Kenneth Goldsmith's "Weather" is next on the pile.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Which translations, chris?

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

The latest Penguin update. It seemed like a solid, well foot-noted translation, which made a lot of notes about how it was translating. I still wish that the usual key untranslatable concepts (e.g., techne) were left in the original, but I realize that might be my quirk and not as widely marketable.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

i think the idea is that if they were to do that, they would have to leave much more of it untranslated than you think, so much that it would be prohibitively difficult for people to read without also learning the rough english equivalents for all the greek words.

but i wish they'd do that too.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Not that the footnotes were that great, but it was a metric of progress, and TS, while great, is a bit uneven.

Definitely uneven. After the greatness of volume four and noses, particularly Slawkenberguis's Tale, volume five is rough. The only thing I remember from it is "white bears," and that is probably because it was located at the end of the volume (Corporal Trim's explanation of maintaining radical moisture and heat is pretty great, too).

The Norton footnotes help explain his train of thought, especially with all of the assorted philosophers, thinkers, Greek, and Latin I don't know about. This does not necessarily let me in on the joke, but it helps in displaying the fellow's wit.

I am taking a break from this for the time being. I feel like I am trying to read it too fast, and it is taking away from the humor of the thing.

mj (robert blake), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

Josh: Of course, at least in the translation I read, they more or less do that anyway: Each important term gets a footnote explaining what is going on, what term is being translated, and why it is a bad translation. And of course if you read commentary, it's going to use either the Greek term or possibly some other term anyways. So.

Also, if it's Greek, use Greek letters. Seriously. Talking about "muthos" just doesn't cut it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

to echo an earlier post: I'm about 60 pages into Paul Morley's Words and Music. to not echo that post: I'm really enjoying it.

about halfway through this Spike Lee bio, That's My Story and I'm Sticking to It--awful title, lousy cover, solidly written book. nothing amazing but I've always been a big fan of Lee as a public figure (though I'm a lax filmgoer/seer and have only seen four or five of his movies).

The Rough Guide Book of Playlists is sickeningly addictive

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

I just started Stephenson's Baroque Cycle… and 200 pages into the first volume I'm digging it, but I'm wondering exactly Where The Hell it's headed.

Have you read Cryptonomicon? I'm on the final Baroque Cycle book at the moment, and I've just got to a part that suddenly explains some random Cryptonomicon stuff - which has filled me with hope that Stevenson actually will manage to tie up every single plot point in these books, given a few thousand more pages.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

the bit where enoch root does the thing to the guy in the nordic country? that bit?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

I have read Cryptonomicon… though I don't remember much of it. I've decided that Stephenson is the most 'boy' of any writer currently working in popular fiction: his subject matter for a 2700 page tome concerns pirates, money, and the history of the physical sciences; he might as well be a twelve year old savant.

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

the bit where enoch root does the thing to the guy in the nordic country? that bit?

Nope. The gold sheets with holes in that are found in one (or possibly both, actually) of the sunken submarines.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Just starting 'The world Crisis' by Sir Winston, I'm in a rut/groove on the history leading up to the great war. Tuchman's 'Gun's of August'/Proud Tower, followed by Massie's 'Dreadnought' and now Churchill. whew.
On the fiction side I got bogged down 2/3's of the way thru 'the confusion' exactly because I didn't think Stephenson was going anywhere. it takes a good bit of hubris to expect one's audience to chew into 2700 pages to begin with, but then, to dillay dally about without advancing the plot very much smacks of disrespect. I thought Susanna Clarke (Jonathon Strange et al) was lacking a good editor and I'm thinking Stephenson suffers from the same.

Docpacey (docpacey), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

i think using greek letters erects a pretty sizeable barrier to greekless readers' ever acquiring basic familiarity with which words are which - they're much harder to remember, even!

i've never taken greek but i've been required, in the past, to learn to at least be able to sound it out appropriately. yet i can still remember a time not too long ago when the presence of non-trivial amounts of greek in a text inclined me to lazily pass it by - it's a thankless task, sounding out words you don't have much sense of the meanings of, and then retaining any knowledge at all of those words.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

There are ways around it. Have (let's see if this works) λογος in the text, and a marginal gloss that says "logos/story" or however you want to gloss it.

(And I should clarify that it's not every use of λογος in every text that should be rendered in the original, even though it's one of those notoriously untranslatable words -- just when λογος is being discussed in the text more or less directly should it be kept in the original. I mean, it should be kept to a minimum.)

Anyway I don't rule the world, so it hardly matters.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

And today I read (or at least, dipped into aggressively) Kenneth Goldsmith's The Weather, which is one of those books that is so insanely brilliant that you almost can't read it, you almost don't have to. I think it's the best of his post-No. 111 works.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

well if you wanted to be more expeditious you could insist that you rule the world, first, THEN worry about this important shit.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

I finally finished "Roads To Santiago" which was wonderful in bits ad a bit dull in bits, but the bits weren't chapter-sized and it was hard to predict at any point which was coming next, meaning I read all of it when really about half of it would have been great. Maybe all travel books are like that? Or maybe I have just found a long way of typing "it needs a better editing job".

Still on three-word books. Next is "George and Rue" by George Elliott Clarke. I think it's Canadian.

Here's a question for the librarians and more generalist classifiers and filers amongst you: how many words are there in the title of the novel "GB84"? I think I could justify any answer between 1 and 4.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

One.

Well, you asked.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

If it's written "GB84" then it seems it has to be one, yeah.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

If it really is written as above then yes, one. But would a blind person think the same way, reading it as a talking book? I mean there's just no way of *pronouncing* it as a single word.

I've just realised what a ridiculous busman's holiday it is that I'm reading a book about libraries in my 'leisure' time. Even a non-academic one. Subconsciously I am becoming a monomaniac.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Do you pronounce "OK" as a single word? I mean, sure you could pronounce it "ock", but no one does.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

Or, in other words, sure, you pronounce it like the word "geebiatifore". Keeping in mind that the "a" is long, which I know is different from how the British like to pronounce it, but it comes from the verb "to geebiate".

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

presuming it's "great britain eighty-four", then it's three words, unless "eighty-four" is two words. isn't that the thing? or am i missing the point, here. it's late.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 17 November 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

huh, when i saw it i thought it was eight, four, not eighty-four.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 17 November 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

Well it looks like this: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0571214452.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

It's about Great Britain in the year nineteen eighty four, yes.

I thought the least likely answer to arrive from you lot would be "one word", which shows how much I know. It's not really important! It's only so I know when to read it in order to be in line with this daft number-of-words-in-the-title thing, which is all Archel's fault anyway.

A geebiatifore is a kind pinafore worn by a particularly right-wing Prime Minister.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 17 November 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Not a kind pinafore, a kind of pinafore.

Or an unkind pinafore, if you prefer.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 17 November 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

It's no words, technically. It's an acronym and a number. Maybe you could save it for acronym April, next year.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh, that looks like two words, Tim.

What answer best serves your purposes? Because that is the correct one.

Is it about The Smiths then?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

Would I have to read just that one book in acronym April (not that unlikely, the way I'm currently going)? Or are there other acronymic books? I could read the BFG by Roald Dahl, although I don't much want to read that.

I suppose deciding it's four words suits my purpose. But if I arbitrarily make that decision and read it next month (because I want to read it) will anyone hold it against me?

I think it is a bit about the Smiths, but I don't know because I haven't read it becqause I don't know when I'm allowed to.

"The Lone Woman" by Bernardo Atxaga is a bit about the Smiths too. At least, a bit of it is, a bit.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

No, I won't hold it against you. But I have to warn you that in the book, there won't be snow in Africa at Christmastime, and there's a world outside your window. So it might not make great xmas reading.

It might be interesting if it was, or were, a bit about the Smiths, but actually, it isn't, or ain't.

Your sentence about the BFG makes me chuckle.

the minefox, Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

But if I arbitrarily make that decision and read it next month (because I want to read it) will anyone hold it against me?

Fine, go ahead, cheat. I won't hold it against you. Honestly I won't.

Now I have to find other books for you to read in acronym April. Anything rather than do my work.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

RUR (tho that might really have periods in it)

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Who likes Iain Sinclair? I am half way through it now, and I still can't decide whether to finish it or not. This is not the hallmark of a great book. Either that or it is not the hallmark of a great reader.

It reminds me a bit of the more unpleasant aspects of I_L_X, which I think we could all do without.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

what's the book?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

oh no! have started reading poetry comp entries. want to kill myself. oh no!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 18 November 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I had a dream and the pinefox was in it

he was on drugs

I suspect the dream was really about myself

rather than him

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 November 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

... was what I was reading yesterday to ally c over lunch

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 November 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

oh no! have started reading poetry comp entries. want to kill myself. oh no!

Archel, we had a poetry comp in our shop over the summer. 400 entries. Many of them awful. I feel your pain.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 18 November 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. I thought this was very, good indeed. Initial reservations about the cod 19 century style never quite disappeared but didn't hamper my enjoyment finally. People have said that it needed a good editor, but I think that's a bit like saying Tristram Shandy needed a good editor - in one way true, in another impertinent.

Notes on a Scandal by Zoe Heller and Case Histories by Kate Atkinson. Not books I'd have gone into a bookshop and bought, but my wife took them on holiday and they were lying around at a time when I couldn't think of anything I was desperate to read. Both very enjoyable although I doubt I'll be able to remember I've read them in a year's time. I'm surprised Notes was Booker shortlisted: quite mainstream and slight, and the technically difficult bit (the unreliable narrator giving herself away) isn't particulary well handled - the revelations aren't smooth or gradual enough. But more enjoyable than most Booker shortlisted novels I've read, so I'm not carping.

A Spell, Hollinghurst. I've only read Line of Beauty of his before and this wasn't as good. Hollinghurst really can write, but he over-indulges his fondness for being Henry James lite in this. There's not much in the way of plot or satirical edge so it stands or falls as a character study, and Hollinghurst isn't interested enough in people to pull that off. His characters are types; deftly-drawn, three-dimensional types to be fair, but still types. The novel is less soapy than LOB ( more accurately, it tries harder to disguise its essential soapiness) and is less enjoyable as a result.

True Grit. About half-way through. Astonishingly well done, but I suspect a hymn to Presbyterian grittiness won't resonate with me the way it has with the book's more fanatical admirers. If you're Scottish you've seen too much of the downside of that kind of joylessness.

Never Had it So Good etc Dominic Sandbrook. A hundred pages or so in. I'm enjoying this a lot but I've always been fascinated by Britain in the 50s and early 60s, something to do with it being when my parents met, married, were young.

frankiemachine, Friday, 18 November 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

If anything, I think I'll go back to On Being Blue by William Gass.

youn, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised Notes was Booker shortlisted: quite mainstream and slight, and the technically difficult bit (the unreliable narrator giving herself away) isn't particulary well handled - the revelations aren't smooth or gradual enough. But more enjoyable than most Booker shortlisted novels I've read, so I'm not carping.

I started reading this this morning, but now I don't have to finish it because you've given the game away. I thought it was a bit odd that she disses plumbers.

The Sinclair book is/was Dining On Stones.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

fuck on being blue!

Josh (Josh), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm reading 'Mother London' by Michael Moorcock - hasn't really got going yet (I've only read 40 pages or so) but my hopes are high.

X-posts: 'True Grit' and the first one of the Baroque Cycle are both on my winter reading pile.

Mog, Friday, 18 November 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I started reading this this morning, but now I don't have to finish it because you've given the game away.

I don't have the book to hand but didn't think I'd given any more away than the book jacket blurb!! (on the British paperback, at least).

I've forgotten the plumber dissing bit already.

frankiemachine, Friday, 18 November 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound moany. But I haven't read the blurb.

She says the schoolkids are condemend to become shop assistants and plumbers. The only bit so far that doesn't really ring true, so perhaps it is deliberate.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Frankie, you didn't give more away than the blurb - I was being a bit of a plonker.

I like this book. I am nearing the home straight.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 20 November 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

"A History of Western Philosophy" by B. Russell, or, as the cover has it, "The History of Western Philosophy", or, as the spine has it, "The History of Western Philosophy", or, as the blurb on the spine has it, "A History of Western Philosophy". You would think anyone publishing such a book would take care over such things, especially if they think they are so clever as to put the blurb on the spine.

Anyway, I managed to zip through the first 150 or so pages yesterday, but now that he's getting into stuff I don't know as well and which is a bit thornier it might slow me down.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Been too busy to read much lately. What time I can devote has been spent reading The Good Rain by Timothy Egan, a birthday gift to me not long ago. It is a journalist's book about the Pacific Northwest. Nicely done, but still journalism. As an Oregonian I am strangely pleased to see that the great bulk of the book is devoted to the history and natural wonders of the state of Washington.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 21 November 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

I finished Ulysses last week. While it is soaking in, I read Under the Banner of Heaven about Mormon fundamentalism and murder (written like a really long magazine article), Clever Maids, which purports to be the "secret history of the Grimm fairy tales" (it is an annoying book for several reasons; the tone of the entirety makes me think the author's working title had "secret herstory" in it), and now The Lathe of Heaven because it was laying enticingly, slim and inviting, in a stack on the coffeetable. All the others were much thicker.
http://www.theilliterate.com/archives/illiterati/bookstack.JPG

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 21 November 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm currently reading Dry Bones by Richard Beard, which is weird enough to be jolly entertaining (a philosophicalcomedy about celebrity grave-robbing, anyone?). Next up will be Tlooth by Harry Mathews. I enjoyed his The Journalist very much recently, so I'm looking forward to it.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 21 November 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

I've finally finished Snicket 12. It's still formulaic and there's a bit of backwards writing gimickery which probably pleases chiddlers but annoys me a little, but it was nonetheless pretty good. I like the way the lines between good and evil are getting blurred and the Baudelaires are questioning what they do.

I think that this time next year, when I'll have read 13, I'll need to start at the beginning again because characters are coming back from earlier books and I can't remember who they are or what they did last time I came across them. It's an unfortunate effect of book-a-year publishing.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 21 November 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

I am now reading Getting Things Done: The Art of Stress-free Productivity.

Laugh away, I don't care.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 21 November 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit with the odd snippet of Molesworth.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 21 November 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

"George and Rue" was completely grim, in subject matter. I didn't enjoy the writing enough to justify the misery of the content.

I'm now reading "Spoon River Anthology" by Edgar Lee Masters and I'm enjoying it very much. I'd never heard of it before but I get the impression that it's a famous book in that America, the kind of book you're given to read in school when you're 13, like an American goth "Cider With Rosie" or something.

Americans! Am I right?

Tim (Tim), Monday, 21 November 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Goth Cider With Rosie - Sankebite With Lucretia

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 21 November 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Close, but no blackcurrant.

Josh's last post looks baffling!

I am still not finding any time to read anything properly, because of the amount of reading I have to do. I admire the reading that you people do.

I read Stefan Collini on Edmund Wilson's drinking on Saturday night, though; that might appeal to some.

PJM's comparison of Sinclair to, not merely ilx, but I_L_X, was amusing, or interesting!

the bellefox, Monday, 21 November 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

why was his saturday night drinking special?

Josh (Josh), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

This para in Collini on Wilson was very droll:

There is one respect, it must be said, in which this thoughtful biography provides support for contemporary nostalgia for Wilson as representative of a world we have lost. The evidence really does suggest that drinks just aren’t what they used to be: nowadays they’re mostly lower in alcohol and a hell of a lot less frequent. Dabney reckons that Wilson was ‘the only well-known literary alcoholic of his generation whose work was not compromised by his drinking’. But it seems at least as true to say that his drinking wasn’t compromised by his work, either. He really could put it away, quarts of the stuff: gin and whisky for the most part, various bootleg substitutes when necessary, fashionable cocktails when available, and anything that was going when the cocktails ran out. In the 1920s one of his contemporaries teased him about getting by ‘on a diet of Proust and grain alcohol’, but the truth was that by then he had his dependence on Proust well under control.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 21 November 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Wait, the Snickety books have been being published for 12 years now?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 21 November 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh, that can't be - I think he did 4 of them the first year alone.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 21 November 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

First ones in 1999 apparently - and holy smokes! first edition sets of volumes 1-10 (with one or two signed) are listed for > $3500 on ABE!

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 21 November 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Why I could buy half the Penguin Classic library for that much!

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 21 November 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

No kidding! (as she surreptitiously checks the number line and price on volume 7...)

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 21 November 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I am bored of Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit. I think I have an attention span problem.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Love in the Time of Cholera. As lovely as I remember it. One of the few literary depictions of asparagus wee included.

Also read a Philip Marsden travel book on Armenia, which was well written, but didn't make me want to go there, much.

And some Brautigan poetry yesterday (The Pill vs the Spring-Hill Mining Disaster).

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

OANTOF is the only Winterson that's any cop, I have belatedly realised. Though Sexing the Cherry has its moments I suppose.

I am reading Gilead by Marilynne Robinson, and still the book about libraries, and A Favourite of the Gods by Sybille Bedford, and some poems, and not being able to concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes at a time. I just keep going 'meh' and picking up a crossword instead. I need a book that is so gripping I forget everything else; I haven't had one of those for ages.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

That They May Face the Rising Sun, by John McGahern. Free with the paper a couple of months ago...

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Finished The Lathe of Heaven last night. Thanks to whoever brought it up in here - it was a near perfect short scifi read: hubris, humor, aliens, well-intentioned but unintentionally malevolent psychiatrists, chockfull of early 70s issues, and set in the Pacific Northwest.

I think Never Let Me Go is up next, though RJM is encouraging me into a second literary death match: Infinite Jest vs. Moby Dick.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

You will check out the size of IJ before making a decision, I hope.
You should read more Le Guin, The Left hand of Darkness if great, especialy if you can follow it with the short story (and author's notes on) Winter's King.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I think I've read The Left Hand of Darkness - is that with the alien race that changes sex?

I've actually read partway into IJ when it first came out - got to a point where I knew if I read another page, I'd have to read the entire thing through without sleeping, so put it down. It's a 4 day weekend coming up, so might be time to dive back in. I thought we had a copy of The Recognitions laying around, but can't find it. Otherwise it might be a Foster Wallace vs. Gaddis death match.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that's the one.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I just started A Minor Apocalypse by Tadeusz Konwicki. It's pretty great so far.

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

What? No, Moby Dick vs. Recognitions.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Is that the better match? Because really Gravity's Rainbow vs. Ulysses was no contest. Also, I haven't read any of either MD or Gaddis, so more equal footing there. Hmmmm.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea if it's a better match, but I know I have heard enough opinions on IJ to last me a few lifetimes, and I'd be much more interested in hearing what you thought of MD and Gaddis (esp. MD).

I'm not sure how you'd want something matched.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

We were talking about Broom of the System last night for some reason. That in itself might be enough DFW for one year. I've been thinking about reading Melville for several months now, so maybe it's time.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

PJM, that is only a brief book! And I think I agree with Archel about it.

I wish I had a free recent McGahern!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Yes, PF, I specialise in brief books these days, because of my attention span.

I finished it. I enjoyed it.

I have started Felicia's Journey by William Trevor, starring Bob Hoskins. So far it is very good, but my attention span is yet to be tested.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday I picked up America's Constitution from the library, but I haven't started it yet. Before going to sleep I read "We offered them their chance," an essay by Michael Wood on The Ivory Tower by Henry James. After he set up the question of whether or not The Great War was a sufficient reason for James to abandon the novel, I was naturally full of suspense, the implication being that, clearly, it was not. And I was satisfied in the end because I think it is also a diagnosis of what has been lost to me between reading The Portrait of a Lady and The Wings of the Dove. I think it was terrific of him to call James a possibilist!

youn, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

'Possibilities, really, stop nowhere...'

the bellefox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Ghost Story by Toby Litt

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I wish I had a free recent McGahern!

Email me your address and I'll send you one. We've got loads.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

f.kogan, "real punks don't wear black"
b.collins, "taking off emily dickinson's clothes"
f.pessoa, "the book of disquiet"

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I was at a party the other day and someone found out I "write poetry" and so they asked me if my stuff was like Billy Collins's. And of course I said "absolutely!" because I was at a party having a conversation with a drunken Billy Collins fan and I didn't really want to get into it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

At least that is a question with a yes or no answer! (Even if you lied.) People usually say 'what kind of poetry do you write?' which never fails to stump me. Er, the kind made of words?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 24 November 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

See, if people ask me that, I can just say "Well, most of the time, I don't write the poetry, I just train my robot army to write it." That usually makes the party lively, ho-ho!

I'm off to have Thanksgiving at a friend's house -- she is a relatively recent friend and so I suspect I don't know the people who will be there, so I have to be prepared for this sort of eventuality. I bet they will eat the robot line up!

(Meanwhile the robots don't get to go to Thanksgiving. Suckers!)

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 November 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

If you don't treat the robots right, they will rebel, and then we'll all be in trouble. I'm just saying, like.

I finished "Spoon River Anthology" and I liked it without loving it as much as I expected. The absence of response on whether this is a standard school text speaks (slim) volumes, thanks. I suppose it's the kind of thing I'll come back to from time to time over the years, and will either grow to love or grow to ignore. Actually it's the kind of thing I'll give to my Uncle for Xmas. Note to self.

Then after that I finished "Earth and Ashes" by Atiq Rahimi, which wasn't such an achievement because it's about 50 pages long, and each page has widely-spaced text and big margins and that. It's a short tale of multiple misery in occupied Afghanistan (the Soviet occupation, rather than any of the other ones, although for the purposes of the story it probably doesn't make a lot of difference and ah! perhaps there is the rub).

And now I've started on "Fiesta In November" by Eduardo Mallea, luscious Argentine aristo ennui to start off with but this is a novel from 1938 so my guess is we'll have some Strong Feelings by nightfall. It's an old Calder and Boyars edition, which tend to be unlovely in presentation, but always promise great literary joys and (as often as not) deliver. I keep wanting to call them Callard and Bowsers and that makes me want to EAT. Their bookshop is just down the road from here. I should go more.

(Three word titles, America Afghanistan, Argentina, this is getting silly.)

Tim (Tim), Friday, 25 November 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Yes. Next year we will concoct a game where you have to read books whose titles spell out the name of another book, which you not only have to read, but also act out.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 25 November 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read much this week except Power Interviews and the section of Tab Hunter's autobiography about making Polyester.

I am going to fall behind in my goal to finish at least 200 books this year if I don't start reading again this weekend.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 25 November 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Spoon River Anthology

Have heard of it, but never actually read it. I don't think either of my kids had to read it for school. But there are many available used on Amazon and ABE, so someone somewhere has been reading it.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 25 November 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

I finished "Spoon River Anthology" and I liked it without loving it as much as I expected. The absence of response on whether this is a standard school text speaks (slim) volumes, thanks.

I don't remember this coming up before! But yes, I had to read it in high school, or at least parts of it. And it lead to creative writing exercises that you can probably guess at.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 25 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Do you have any favourite spoons?
Have you any amusing stories that involve spoons?

Ray (Ray), Friday, 25 November 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

That is funny, Ray!

I can't believe Rosemary is going to read 200 books this year.

I saw Tab Hunter once, in the movie Damn Yankees. I also saw a film once that was announced in the schedules as starring Clint Eastwood, but actually starred... Clint Walker. I watched it anyway. I suppose this was in about 1987, or perhaps even later.

I am now going to read some books about black experiences in Britain.

the bellefox, Friday, 25 November 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I would like to know how the Pinefox got on with his books about black experience in Britain, and which ones he found best.

Mallea's "Fiesta In November" rounded off three word November rather appropriately, and it turned out to be a subtle thing, rather than the full-on, knees-bent plea for realness I was half-expecting. I liked it very much.

So then December came round and got a cold and went to to bed and while I was there I read "The Little White Car" by Danuta de Rhodes, who is of course Dan Rhodes of "Anthropology" and "Timoleon Vieta" fame (?) and like his other books this one's light as a feather but pleasing all the same. The moment when you go "oh! that little white car!" is a good moment.

And then I read "Philip and the Others" by Cees Nooteboom, which was written when Cees was a very young man and was re-published after Cees became a famous writer fellow wmuch later. It's by no means perfect but I love Nooteboom and it was a pleasure to read what really amounts to some late juvenilia. Oddly it read more like his later travel writing than his later novel writing. There's a thing!

And now I am onto "The Plague-Spreader's Tale" by Gesualdo Bufalino which is difficult and wordy (I suspect not just intranslation, either, though obviously I can't know) and which I'm loving very much so far, lots of the kind of scabby funnies which I like.

I'm lining up some "The ______ of the ________" novels for January, which wil be the final month of this ridiculous exercise. This will include "The Year of the Hare" by Arto Paasilinna and "The Day of the Owl" by Leonardo Sciascia. Recommendations in this direction much appreciated.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Two Agatha Christie Poirot novels. "Jane and Roger agreed on most things; they liked trains and disliked crowdy restaurants and negroes"

Written in 1935!

Also a Harry Harris biography of Pele which was flattering crap.

That's 100 for the year for me now and an eye rest is long overdue.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

You Have to be Careful in the Land of the Free, by James Kelman.
A disappointment after How Late, it seems much looser and I'm just not convinced.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

An Ian Rankin book, A Question of Blood. I'm blaming pregnancy on my lack of serious reading.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, don't read "The Bonfire of the Vanities". And probably not "The Last of the Mohicans". I wonder if I have any books with that title format that I would recommend...

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hm.
The Queen of the Tambourine by Jane Gardam?

Some four-word recommendations:
The Book of Love by Roddy Lumsden and The Street of Clocks by Thomas Lux [are you doing poetry?]
The Safety of Objects by A.M. Homes
Venus As a Boy by Luke Sutherland
A Passage to India by E.M. Forster

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

The Scheme for Full Employment?

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Archel you're tempting me. Is Jane Gardam any good? She wrote "The Sidmouth Letters" which is a rare appearance of my home town in novel form (it crops up in "The War Zone" by Alexander Stuart, and I suspect as Idmouth in some bits of Hardy) but I've never read it.

I haven't looked at any Roddy Lumsden for ages, perhaps now's the time. Poetry I am doing. Short stories I am not.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

bits of 'samuel johnson is indignant'

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

There was only one bit in that that I didn't like.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Saul Bellow's "To Jerusalem and Back" -- sort of a travel diary of Israel, but a worthy one.

Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I found the Queen of the Tambourine... good, but a bit heavy on detail and light on meaning, somehow. I didn't ever get a 'why'. Don't know about Gardam's other work.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

It's not about the East Devon indie scene, circa 1987 then?

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Last week I read Joan Didion's The Year of Magical Thinking and cried many times, often out loud on buses. In an attempt to get through more of this year's greatest books, I'm now reading Mary Gaitskill's Veronica, and might get A.L. Kennedy's Paradise warmed up next.

No way am I coming anywhere near 100 like Mikey G; I think I'll just manage to squeeze in a nice round 40.

zan, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm up to 68.

No Tim, I think it was set in Surrey. Maybe the great East Devon indie scene novel is yet to be written... by you.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

You're getting that mixed up with the rubbish East Devon indie scene novel "In The Next Valley Lived PJ Harvey", which I will get around to writing one day, possibly. In verse form.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

zan, I just bought The Year of Magical Thinking and am afraid to open it, for the crying I know it will bring on. I'll have to be careful to only read it in the house.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm currently reading Philip Roth's The Plot Against America. Not bad.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Jaq: you just have to dive into the cold water. It's completely worth every embarrassing teardrop. Possibly my favorite book of the year.

zan, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

TH, I want to read the book, except the bits about PJ Harvey. I hope she won't figure at all.

The Sidmouth Letters sounds great, or something.

In theory I want to read Didion's book too. But then, I ought to read other Didions first. Jaq reads some great books!

TH, you are way ahead of me on all that black experience stuff. I am a novice merely. I read a novel and some oral history and criticism - utilitarian stuff, not the panorama of reading you would have produced. It still took me ages, though.

I have been reading about London. Next I am going to read David Mitchell. I can Report Back on this soon, probably.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to be picky, but didn't PJ Harvey live in West Dorset?

I'm reading a book about a guy who tracked down the 10 alive Brazilians from the 1970 World Cup Final line up in 1997. It's wizard.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading On Beauty. I think it's the perfect book for me at the moment - a universe I can really dive into and let close over my head. It seems to be total immersion or nothing at the moment, I've just got too much else in my head.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading On Beauty too. For the first 50 or so pages I thought it was going to be a real stinker, but am about 150 pages in now and it has picked up enormously.

Just finished Saving Agnes by Rachel Cusk. Her first novel, and only one I've read: very talented but raw. Left me wanting to try one of her later novels to find out if she managed to fulfil the promise she showed in that one.

Also Arthur and George, a brilliant idea, beautifully crafted. It was genius of Barnes to spot how well this story would fit his thematic interests. And yet, somehow it lacked the emotional impact this story should have had - an enjoyable read that won't linger long in the mind. The problem I think was the characters, finely drawn but ultimately not quite coming alive, too much like exhibits in a museum of Victoriana.

frankiemachine, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Mikey it's poetic licence, you boor.

(Also the first valley in West Dorset is the next valley to the first valley in East Devon innit? Anyway she will only appear in the title, as the spectre of actual future pop success, something which will not touch any of the other characters.)

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Dan Simmons' Hyperion.
"We need your help," said Meina Gladstone. "It is essential that the secrets of the Time Tombs and the Shrike be uncovered. This pilgrimage may be our last chance. If the Ousters conquer Hyperion, their agent must be eliminated and the Time Tombs sealed at all cost. The fat of the Hegemony may depend upon it."

Oh dear God, I hate myself for having bought this book. I guess it's telling that it's been four years since I purchased it, and I've never gotten past the six-page prologue.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

The FATE too; this isn't some anti-"Extreme makeover" spiel.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think you should persevere a little, read the first story at least. Hyperion is a pretty good suite of SF horror stories - I especially liked The Professor's Tale (or whatever it's called). But the sequel was very weak.

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Your opinions on.... Ghostwritten!

the bellefox, Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Ray, your mention of it being a suite of SF horror stories made me a lot more enthusiastic about reading it. My initial expectations, based pretty much on the backcover blurb and prologue, were that it'd be a science fiction sub-Tolkien quest-fantasy deal, which is just about my least favorite thing ever. Anyhoo, I've stayed with the novel for a bit now, and having a good time with it. Huzzah!

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Cool. But I'm serious about the sequel, it's very disappointing. I had a similar experience with Simmons' recent books, Ilium and Olympos. Ilium is pretty good, kind of all over the place but fun. Olympos draws together and explain all the stuff that went on in Ilium, but really badly. In both sets of books, you're probably better off just imagining your own ending, and Hyperion has the advantage over Ilium that's it's pretty self-contained.

Ray (Ray), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

The Hunting of the Snark

This is my suggestion for Tim, I am not reading it. I am not reading anything, excpet JtN's bits in Uncut, which I hold entirely responsible for me just having watched about a quarter of a Will Young song on the telly.

Also, will Sid from Blue be in it? And what about that underage bird with a big bra?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Saturday, 10 December 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I am about 350 pages into The Varieties of Religious Experience by William James. Greatly enjoying it. Very nicely written, very level-headed, respectful and sympathetic, but maintains a decent distance. It deserves its status as a classic. I find it is far easier to read than (for example) The Golden Bough, written in the same era, as another 'scientific approach to religion' book.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 10 December 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

The Conquest of the Incas by Hemmings. Brilliant. More definitive than the (considered definitive) Prescott book. Prescott never even went to Peru!

Those Extremadurans eh?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 12 December 2005 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

Didion's White Album again.

It's odd: I think I like her, yet it is hard for me to find many bits of this book that I really like or admire. Amis was right, she is mannered; and there is an unfortunate note of blank superiority in too much of the writing - perhaps.

I am thinking, for instance, of the page in the 'Many Mansions' essay when she reflects on how other people don't know what a 'pastry marble' is. I fear that she talks a load of balderdash at this point.

the pinefox, Monday, 12 December 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Well I'm glad to hear someone is reading William James.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 12 December 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

chris which is the one bit in samuel johnson.. you didn't like?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 12 December 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ended up giving up on that whole Hyperion business - my interest completely died again, and, well, it does not feel worth my while. I just fought my way through Charlie Stross' "Singularity Sky" last month, and ended up sort of regretting it, so I'm not going to do that again.

Read Tolstoy's play "The Living Corpse" yesterday, and have just barely started on Coetzee's "Slow Man".

Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 12 December 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Tom: It was a longer story towards the end.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 12 December 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Pinefox, have you read A Book of Common Prayer? I think you might like it.

youn, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

Getting ready to start Orhan Pamuk's "Snow"

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

Erm, first I might read Doctorow's Book of Daniel. Can't decide.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

I finished "The Plague-Spreader's Tale" which fell between the various stools of touching ensemble piece, doomed love story and meditation on life & death. Every now and then it would spark into something like life, often during dialogue, but it ended up being a bit of an unsatisfying read. Also, note to self: don't read any more books about people dying from tuberculosis when you're suffering from a nasty, chesty cough.

Now I'm reading "The Council of Egypt" by Leonardo Sciascia (who I understand was something of a mentor to Bufalino). Intricate, slow-moving, political. Loving every line of it. And, again, I get a little twinge of pleasure every time I look at the word Sciascia. Sha-sha. Mmmm.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading, and have nearly finished, The Penelopiad. Enjoyed it, though the determined colloquialism feels a bit, well, determined.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

"The Field of Blood" by Denise Mina. It looks like your everday gritty Scottish crime fiction, but it's actually wonderful. I am waiting for the manuscript of its sequel which is currently in the editor's sweaty paws!

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm halfway through Delany's Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand. It took it's sweet time setting things up (sure, give us one gay sex scene to tide us over through a hundred pages of dry worldbuilding), but seems to be rolling now.

No idea what I'll read next, maybe I'll give non-fiction a shot.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

made my way thru the 1st half of economist year end special on the commute today. okay, not a book, but still..

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

I too am reading W. James: Pragmatism & The meaning of Truth. Just about finished with the first Harvard lectures. Enjoying it very much. clear ( especially when compared to Peirce)

Docpacey (docpacey), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

The late Mr. james is enjoying a boomlet!

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

"The Council of Egypt" changes in part three from a fascinating academic-political scam tale to something much more upsetting, in a torture and death vein. Wonderful.

Now: "The Quest for Dr. U" by Hans Carl Artmann. Austrian experimentalism, it seems. So far it's reading a lot like Raymond Queneau and it's published by Atlas, who publish plenty of Queneau stuff. I wonder if it's the same translator?

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, if you're open to film recommendations, may I suggest Sciuscià (shoo-sha)? It's Italian for Shoeshine!

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Are you trying to tell me that Sciascia means "shine-shine"? This is too much.

You know what I'm like with films: I'm not, not really. But I'm always up for "heartwrenching commentary on impoverished children's lives, on friendship, corruption and betrayal [more]".

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

richard yates.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Youn: no, I have still not read it - you're right, I doubtless should.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I am reading 7/7 What Went Wrong by Crispin Black. I forgot to bring it today though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Javier Marias's Tomorrow in the Battle Think on Me, and what was possibly the most emotionally disturbing first 50 pages I've ever read in my life. Never before has anyone so perfectly described my fear of dying.

zan, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I started Gravity's Rainbow (largely because Jaq read it) but after getting about half way through and not being terribly impressed I decided I needed a break, so now I'm reading Beatles biographies. First the new Bob Spitz book, which he himself describes as "definitive" and is full of errors and terrible writing. Now I'm reading the new editon of Philip Norman's Shout!, which is much shorter then Spitz's book and better written as well, but somehow isn't a very good book either. Norman seems to believe that civilization has largely been in free fall ever since the 60s and it's all the Beatles fault. In one paragraph in the preface he traces a direct line from the Beatles' Royal Command Performance in 1963 (where Lennon had the audacity to make fun of rich people) to 9/11 (no, I'm not kidding). I've become convinced that we'll never see a decent history of the Beatles until all of them, and maybe everyone else who was around at the time, is dead. Which means I won't be able to read it when it comes out, damn it.

moriarty (moriarty), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

That Spitz book was one of the first music books I ever read, and I wasn't very impressed. The one Beatles book I did really enjoy, even though (because?) it is the pure geekery, is "Beatlesongs", which kind of has a punchline. It's a look at each individual song, and then, do you see, it tries to figure out actual writing credits (saying, oh, this song is 80% Paul and 20% John because John did the bridge, or whatever) so that it can add everything up at the end and find that, ta da, John did more of the writing.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

I am currently reading (and greatly enjoying) the 1855 version of "Leaves of Grass," along with a double dose of dense philosophy in "Philosophical Investigations" and "Concluding Unscientific Postscript." Kierkegaard's alter ego in CUP is progressively developing an odd sense of humor as the work itself progresses.

mj (robert blake), Thursday, 15 December 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite Beatles book, by far, is the late Ian MacDonald's Revolution In the Head, which also analyzes them song by song. Some of his ideas were a little off base, such as somehow blaming John for getting himself shot, but it's one of the few books on the Beatles that isn't either fan gush or has a particular bone to pick with one or another, or all, of the members (or their wives). All the Beatles songs, by the way, were written by Edward de Vere, the Earl of Oxford. Either him or Little Richard--I forget which.

moriarty (moriarty), Thursday, 15 December 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Valley of Fear and Other Stories" because the Penguin edition came into the library so pristine and fresh and now I am going to return it with its poor paperback binding all creased and mishandled. The "Valley of Fear" with its Pinkerton-coal mine vibe also strangely tied into some Andrew Carnegie books I read for a paper.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

Just finished The Beach, which was better than I expected. Not going to go on any Great Novels lists, but a decent read.
Just started Austerlitz, still too early to say much.

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

Half way through the Conquest of the Incas. So many footnotes, but the context is everything.

The Incas were so advanced in many ways (stone masonry, logistics etc) but military wise they were still in the bronze age. The overwhelming difference between the Spanish and the Incas was the horse, the tank of its day. It made all the difference.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

One No, Many Yeses by Paul Kingsnorth. Probably not a good book to be reading at Christmas as I implicitly support global capitalism with every Tesco mince pie shovelled down and Amazon order racked up...

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

from here to eternity

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

cloud atlas

NavekRednam, Friday, 16 December 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Jarhead, in whihc US Marine paints himself as victim. I think it's shit. Good job I only got it out of the library. Even gooder job that I got a load more at the same time.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

marguerite duras - the lover
i think it's a bit much at times, but maybe it's supposed to be

also i'm on pg 18 of s/z by roland barthes but i think i'm not in the mood for it now

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Rereading Voyage around my Room, because it was mentioned on the LibraryThing thread. It's such an excellent little book, especially the contrasts between the soul and the beast.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

"The Quest For Dr. U" turned out not to be as much fun as I'd hoped, a bit of a genre play but it was too experimental to have anything which I could cotton onto as a plot. Which made it interesting rather than good.

Yesterday I read "The Mistress of Silence" by Jaqueline Harpmann, French psychological sci-fi of a sort, entertaining enough without amazing me.

Now I'm reading "The Devil's Own Work" by Alan Judd. It seems qui8te good, so far. Nice and short.

Attentive readers may have noted that "The Quest For Dr. U" has five words in the title. I hadn't noticed that until just now. I've blown it and I'm gutted.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading Susan Coopers 'The Dark is Rising' series again (I read them at least four times a year)They are not particularly difficult book being originally intended for children, but is you would like an entertaining and gripping fantasy you cant go past them.

I'm also reading 'Jazz' by Toni Morrison. For those of you who havent read it, do so immediately. It won the nobel prize and is almost like reading poetry.

Shutruk Nahhunte (Shutruk Nahhunte), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Tim must be punished for this lapse! Or not. (Just pretend it was called The Quest for Dru?)

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Still got my head down in the Inca conquest. By a strange twist of fate, Morales has been elected president of Bolivia today! They live on still if you accept Aymara Indians as part of the Incan empire (natch).

My girlfriend bought me a first edition Brautigan for my birthday. My cup overfloweth.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

You're finished, Hopkins. You're yesterday.

the firefox, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I know. I am trying to resist being genuinely angry with myself, and to remind myself that this was just a goofy game anyway. I got slack, I got weak.

Mike, I hope it didn't leave a stain.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

This is I Love Books, not I Love Bonks.

Nobel prize does not go to books. This is starting to bother me almost as much as people writing Meat Loaf's name as one word.

I am not reading anything. It's for squares. I'm wired for sound.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure waht I'm reading. I WAS reading Boris Vian's " L'Ecume des Jours" ("Froth on the daydream" is one of the English translations' title)
But I've LOST the cursed thing! I usually have books in my pocket, so I fear I've simply wobbled around somewhere and the cursed thing has seen its chance and taken the leap.

So, now I'm reading Paal Brekke's "Aldrende Orfeus" ("Aging Orpheus") which is one of the big classics of Norwegian post-war literature. I have't quite managed to commit myself to it though, as I keep trying to find the Vian.

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

I am still reading The Fatal Shore. God, I might as well be writing it, it's taking so long. Bloody Australians.

PF, I have finally got around to bringing your book home from the shop and will make a little parcel of it tonight. It can be like a Christmas present!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

I found that The Fatal Shore started to repeat itself, laying the same groundwork and making the same points over and over. It could easily have been 2/3 the length it was and much better for it.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Joseph Roth's 'Report from a Parisian Paradise'.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Orwell's England

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, Tim, I bought The Quest for Dr. U for the same reasons as you, I think (and the fact that it was on the bargain shelf for a dollar) and had pretty much the same reaction as you- the first few pages I was thinking "this is the greatest thing ever" but eventually I got bored with the whole exercise.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading Smashed by Koren Zailckas (? sp) and it's far better than I imagined it would be.

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

I started Alasdair Gray's Lanark last night. And somehow (by talking too much about my anti-religiousness at work and loaning out The Book of J to a co-worker), I've been obligated to read a book of Xtian apologetics and report back whether I am "open-minded" enough to buy any of the arguments. Bah.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

In this busy season I've been re-reading one of Paul Thoreaux's best "travelling grump" books: The Old Patagonian Express.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I broke down and started "The Varieties Of Religious Experience".

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

'pattern recognition'

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

'the reformation', and i'm quite interested.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 22 December 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

I like the final chapter in the Old Patagonian Express, all the 'nowhere is a place' business. It's a book that combines his best and worst writing. The description of a football match in El Salvador (Guatemala? Can't remember) is fingers on chalkboard stuff.

The Old Patagonian Express itself is a lovely train ride. "the smell of yesterday's picnic' as Chatwin captured it.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

"The Devil's Own Work" is fun for those with an interest in literature, it's an engaging little novella without being thematically or formally amazing. I'm glad I read it.

Now I'm reading "You're An Animal, Viskovitz!" by Alessandro Boffa. Although it's a title with a surfeit of punctuation, something I take to be a bad sign, it's enjoyable enough. A series of small tales, with something of the tone of Dan Rhodes about them, featuring the lives of various animals. It gets quite biological at times but gives - guess what?- an insight into the human condition, or at least that's what it says on the cover. I've laughed, at least three times, and I'm only on page 72. That's quite unusual.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm at the end of the Inca conquest. The last Inca, Tupac Amaru has just been executed (a Cuzco drive-by, natch) and the Spaniards are melting down the gold and building extravagent palaces in Extremadura.

Next, I'm going to read a book that doesn't contain 100 pages of footnotes.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

Has reading that book made you want to go and conquer somewhere, Mikey? You could go and conquer Chingford, or something.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Chingford has already been conquered by a chav army. I have my arquebusiers trained on a mysterious land to the east. Dalston.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 December 2005 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

I am currently reading Jabez by David McKie. I want to hurry myself up and finish it, because it's nearly Christmas and I want to read the copy of The Children Of Green Knowe that I bought myself when Chrismas shopping last weekend. Although, to tell the truth, even if I read that slowly I could probably get through it in a couple of hours in any case.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 22 December 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

TH, you are droll.

I am reading The Complete Letters of Oscar Wilde!

Well, at the moment I am only rereading the Introduction.

It is by Merlin Holland.

the snowfox, Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting letters to Whistler - brief and cutting. Also interesting to observe the gender politics, and indeed the class constrictions, when OW starts to get hold of the magazine The Lady's World - I had not known till now that it was he who insisted on changing it to The Woman's World.

Now - Henry James!

the snowfox, Friday, 23 December 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Richard Brautigan - A Confederate General from Big Sur. Aside from the casual misogynst sentence, it is, of course, a corker.

He uses 'uglies' to denote ladies of less than beautiful perfection. The correct term is, of course, minger.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 23 December 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dog.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 23 December 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

A Christmas Treasury
Myth, Magic and Mystery: One Hundred Years of American Children's Book Illustration
Prep
The Original Illustrated Arthur Conan Doyle
The Haunted Looking Glass: Ghost Stories Chosen by Edward Gorey
Madeline in America
White Christmas

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 24 December 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

Henry never, William forever!

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 24 December 2005 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

Mary's book list is good.

I read 'Daisy Miller'. I don't think it delivered.

I have moved on to F. Scott Fitzgerald.

the snowfox, Saturday, 24 December 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading my way through the Booker shortlist. So far I've read Zadie and Ali Smith and Julian Barnes. All have their good and bad points but if I had been judging Zadie would be winning so far. I had more or less intended to read the Bookers consecutively but yesterday I bought "20,000 Streets Under the Sky" by Richard Hamilton so I might not.

frankiemachine, Saturday, 24 December 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Morrissey & Marr: The Severed Alliance (inspired by Matos's ref on "The Smiths are reuniting" thread)

Chris F. (servoret), Sunday, 25 December 2005 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

John Peel - Margrave of the Marshes

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Finished Thoreaux (or refinished? but that sounds like he's furniture). Now reading Uncle Dynamite by P.G. Wodehouse. I'll get on to deeper things after my recovery has fully taken hold.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm only reading "completely fluff" stuff right now - so last night I started Christopher Moore's Practical Demonkeeping.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

The Last Tycoon: so much of Thomson seems to derive from, or to draw inspiration from, it - though in the Thalberg entry in the BDofFilm he seems more sceptical than in The Whole Equation.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yesterday, Ciaran Carson's translation of Merriman's The Midnight Court, a C18 Irish poetic fantasy. Another book I am glad to have read - and I am glad to find it not overlong. The rendering is lively, even self-consciously so; 'whatever you say, say nothing', one line advises! But I am not sure how much cohesion of meaning I find in the poem and its characters.

the finefox, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

long, thread, too.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

2006: what are you reading now?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

It is late 2005.

I daresay I am stating the obvious again.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not ready for it to be 2006 just yet. 2005 was a weird year in many ways, but an excellent one so far on the reading front. Lanark proceeds darkly, so darkly.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

A book I have not yet dared to read, so long is it. Really, I almost intended to be reading it now.

the snowfox, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

Q: What would F. Scott Fitzgerald make of Hollywood today, do you think?

A: He’d want to read The Whole Equation quickly. He’d be sad, very sad–but he was when he was alive. I hope he’d salute my book and we could share a drink, or seven. I would love to try to finish The Last Tycoon the way he laid it out.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago)


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