Embarassing things Americans do while visiting Europe...

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Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Pronounce place names wrong, very loudly. If I'm not sure I ask(quietly), or point or whisper.

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Shhhhh.....don't talk so loudly & leave the backpack at home. It's a dead giveaway.

Miss Laura, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

leave the words 'street', 'road', 'avenue', etc., off place names and ask for directions to "o'connell", or "grafton". it's mucho annoying.

angela (angela), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Misspell embarrassing ha ha.

Yes, just being loud, generally. And thinking Liverpool St is in Liverpool, Oxford St is in Oxford etc. Leicester Square is not in Leicester nor is it pronounced 'Li-ses-ter' (it's Les-ter). But going to Leicester Square is pretty dud in itself. Go to Leicester instead.

Don't go on about how old a 19th century building is.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

wear a Creed t-shirt.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I dont think they do anything embarrassing! They expect a certain level of servility from shop assistants but that's a bona fide CULTURAL DIFFERENCE and besides I dont work in a shop anymore.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

surely the classic is sitting down in pubs and waiting to be served? also tipping the barstaff in a pub at 20% (not that they'd mind that much).

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't refer to the fact that you love 'Europe' like it's one country you can see in a fortnight. We don't think of it as 'Europe' very much - it's just Britain. Or even just England, Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland. Or better still, just London or Yorkshire. Americans say 'Britain' and 'Europe' much more than we do. This might be different for people in mainland Europe - you'd have to ask them.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, please don't ever act like Scotland/Wales/Ireland are just part of England - it's like us calling you Canadian!

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't buy and wear a beret that says "Rusty" on it.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

The worst thing Americans do is when loads of them walk into a pub at once and queue always standing behind one another like they're waiting to get into Madam Tussauds or something, and then muttering under their breath when you walk up to the vast space left at the bar and get served. This has happened to me twice.

Oh, and complaining that it always rains here. This is not so much embarassing as FUCKING ANNOYING. Mostly because they're right.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

On the underground, don't stand on the left-hand side of the escalators. Don't stand around the entrance/exit to the tubes either. And, of course, be careful abt bumming a fag.

Oh, and don't follow N's 'advice' and go to Leicester, either.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

go on and on about how they won two world wars and one world cup...oh wait a minute...

blueski, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Blueski, I direct you to my earlier advice.

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't assume that the American that you've just run into in a foreign country actually wants to talk about anything, let alone your job, whether the ex-pat misses America, and how 'bout these funny people over here and their weird ways?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

dress garishly.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

If you visit Oxford or Cambridge, don't ask where the university is. You're probably already in a bit of it.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for all the advice. I'm so embarrassed about misspelling 'embarrassing.' Oh, what a silly American I am... I'm actually going to be in Paris (thus, my PARIS HOT SPOTS thread) in case you were interested... Anyway, Michael, please define "garishly."

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

"like an australian's nightmare".

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

You can come visit me then, though I'd be a poor guide to the hot spots. That said, avoid the Moulin Rouge like VD. You'll only come out poorer and dissapointed.

Miss Laura, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Ditto for the film.

lol p xx, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

(Haha I like how 80% of the advice was UK-centric!)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

WIN TICKETS FROM THE PIG IN A POKE GAME. WEAR A COAT THAT SAYS "RUSTY: THE EUROPEAN TOUR"

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

being annoying != not knowing custom

boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

What they call FANNY PACKS in America are strictly verboten.

If you're in Paris, do try to start out trying to speak French, and don't be offended if the Frenchie switches over to English. S/he isn't being rude.

Get a good street map and don't feel ashamed about using it - in places like Paris or London everyone who lives here needs them too.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

When doing something completely mumndane don't have a big long converstaion with fellow americans about how it is done ever so slightly different here from in America.

example from my life, stood behind 4 americans in a queue to buy cards. i ahve no idea what the minor differences were - too dull to remember - nevertheless they were all remarked on 4 times
[to shopworker]"so do I give you the cash now"
"yes"
[to friend]"I give her the cash no"
[from friend]"now"
[to friend]"yes now"
[from friend]"give her the cash then"
[to friend]"so I get a receipt now do you think"

Waiting 10 minutes for someone to buy a card used up all of my disproprtionate annoyance for that day, and so I was polite to bad drivers on the way home.

Also (and this isn't an american thing, but a tourist thing in general) it's a person with spraypaint on, standing still, not a human statue. Do not pay the person attention. Do not giggle. Do not stop, look, and block the road. Do not encourage the mentalist. Definitely, under no circumstances give money. Neither use of the ability to stand still nor use of the ability to be sprayed with paint deserve any renumeration.

But the secodn one is just me

Sofa King Alternative (Sofa King Alternative), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

If you don't speak French, learn the following phrase (in English) very carefully: "Do you speak English?" You'd be surprised how many more people do when you bother to ask.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Sofa King, I share your pain.

I think anything but being an egotistical prat who thinks everything is so damned quaint (which covers most points here) is fair game.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

whats this thread on? when you are a tourist act like a tourist is supossed to, theres no fun in not trying to be embarassing and away from gaffes

vic (vicc13), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I dont think they do anything embarrassing!

You're too kind.

Advice for Eurofolks when meeting Americans: do not assume that every one of them voted for/agrees with Bush. Unless you like the assumption that you voted for/agree with Thatcher or Le Pen or Fortuyn or whoever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

In Ireland: Calling Guinness "guy-ness". Also taking the pint of guinness when it's 3 quarters fall and being left to settle on the bar and unfinished and even more disgusting than usual.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"Calling Guinness 'guy-ness'"!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

ask if ppl speak american!! (actual overheard comment in a hotel lobby: "don't you speak english? frawn-says? god how many languages ARE there??")

jones (actual), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

If you visit England try to see more than just London. Which is more than most Londoners ever do.

If you want to walk along the Thames, walk along the South side. Yes, all the pretty buildings are on the North but they're hard too see properly from only 10ft away (that's approx 4.5 metres -- not meters)
And don't worry about going South of The River Thames. Most people who warn you not to go there have never been themselves.
That said, don't go too far south... (if you see 'Elephant and Castle' turn around. Quickly.)

London's skyline is not as dramatic(?) as some American cities' so if you're looking for a landmark Centre Point, The BT Tower (formerly Post Office Tower) and The London Eye are usually easy to spot.

Don't shop exclusively at the GAP, Disney Store, The Hard Rock Cafe or eat solely American fast food. Redundant. Redundant. Redundant.
Also, don't presume that everyone here eats fish & chips every day or that every fish & chip shop is good (as a rule, avoid those which are open 24hrs & also serve kebabs or 'giros' as Americans call them -- be careful because a 'giro cheque' is what we call a 'welfare check').

Don't call pounds "quids". Sorry, sounds retarded.
Don't call everyone you meet "mate" or end every conversation with "cheers". "Thanks" & "Thank you" are understood all over Britain.

Say "pardon", "excuse me" or even "come again?" but try to avoid "WHAT??". That really grates.

Android (Android Elvis), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't say 'pardon' - it's really naff. Say 'sorry?'

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry?

Android (Android Elvis), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

HINE?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Aren't many of these things simply rude, as opposed to stemming from ignorance? I would tend to assume that someone who, like Sarah, bothers to ask what sort of behavior to avoid, would err on the side of politeness, and wouldn't shout "what" loudly or ask who speaks "American." It seems that rather than bitching about impolite, "American" behavior, posters might suggest to Sarah subtle points that she might overlook. For example, the first time I ever tried to work a BT payphone (in a crowded train station), I felt like a damn fool, but how was I to know in what order to dial and to madly shove coins down the slot? And yet the passersby snickered (and, rudely, did not offer any help).

That said, I don't understand why tourists who carry around guidebooks don't bother with the pronunciation gazetteer.

(Sarah, if you're a total boor and need to be told, in painful and tiresome detail, not to be unspeakably rude in public, please accept my apologies.)

Benjamin, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I would like to make it clear that I think most Americans I have met are perfectly charming. I was just saying things not to do if you don't want cruel people to laugh at you.

Asking if people speak 'American' could surely be ignorance and not rudeness?

Don't BT payphones have instructions on them, Benjamin?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

The Victoria Station payphone debacle was years and years ago, but as I recall, there weren't any instructions to be found. And people can be so cruel. Didn't they have to catch a train? Or a terminal disease?

The whole "American" language thing, if it's not in reference to Mencken, sounds like it would come from the mouth of someone rudely frustrated with his own inarticulateness: "Doesn't anyone speak AMERICAN around here?"

Benjamin, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I apologise for my nation's rudeness. I would have helped you. Unless I'd seen you standing on the left of the escalators earlier.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't see how the "what" thing constitutes rudeness, either: I mean, over here it's maybe informal to say "what" but not rude or obnoxious. (Formal version would be something like "what was that?") So that's certainly not knowing rudeness, it's just ignorance of the pretty minor detail that outside of the U.S. that's a considered a boorish way of saying that.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

what's the tip for helping someone use the phone?

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

In Cleveland, or London?

Benjamin, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:43 (twenty-three years ago)

not necessarily embarrassing, but they do often comment on how compact it is (this applies more in Britain than in much of the rest of Europe, obviously) and how you can commute from eg the Peak District to Manchester or Sheffield, but you couldn't do the equivalent (Appalachian mountains to Detroit, whatever) in the US. Americans sometimes sound patronising to British ears when they say this, but I think it's something they secretly envy - certainly they tend to be struck by how integrated Britain's urban and rural parts are, compared to the US (Texas being bigger than the British Isles, etc).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

leave thier military bases all over the place

Queen G (Queeng), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Resolve disputes between Spain and Monaco.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Help out with the pesky hun.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

let the flower of democracy bloom

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

COOL! I love fireworks.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 April 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

cheese flavored fireworks no less!!

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Saying that they are going to "Europe" when they really mean "France" or "Luxembourg" or "France and then Luxembourg".

adamrl (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh

Don't refer to the fact that you love 'Europe' like it's one country you can see in a fortnight. We don't think of it as 'Europe' very much - it's just Britain. Or even just England, Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland. Or better still, just London or Yorkshire. Americans say 'Britain' and 'Europe' much more than we do. This might be different for people in mainland Europe - you'd have to ask them.

-- N. (nickdastoo...), October 16th, 2002.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

"How much is that in real money?"

andy --, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

My mother in law offering me a dollar to pay for parking at Heathrow -

"You mean this is REALLY no good here?"

adamrl (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

1.00 EUR Euro = 1.21112 USD United States Dollars
1 EUR = 1.21112 USD 1 USD = 0.825681 EUR

I miss those "real money" days.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

My elderly aunt gave me a bunch of .23 US postcard stamps to bring to England so I could keep in touch... I just thanked her and let it go.

andy ---, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Embarassing things Americans do while visiting Europe...

Europeans?

Dan (Just Saying) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Let's have a look at what this idiot did... in America"

Alan Gordon Partridge, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cyber-cinema.com/original/eurotrip.jpg
http://www.darkhorizons.com/2006/last/holiday.jpg

xp ahaha

adamrl (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

I actually get a kick out of ugly-americanism... it's just so intrinsically american. Crocodile Dundee hats and pale blue Wal-Mart shorts all around! Fanny packs full of mysterious change!

andy ---, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

exist

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

Father illegitimate children in wartime Norfolk.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

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literalisp (literalisp), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

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Mike W (caek), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

My mother in law offering me a dollar to pay for parking at Heathrow -

"You mean this is REALLY no good here?"

she sounds ace

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Are Euros in such a hurry that they need to sprint up escalators? I usually walk up them too, but if some oblivioid is blocking the way I just enjoy the ride.

yes. yes, we are in a hurry. we are not on holiday, we live here and are trying to get up the escalator with a purpose in mind at the end, and we want to spend as little time in the stinking tube as possible. this is a city, the pace is fast. also some of us, y'know, LIKE MOVING. if you don't, that's fine, stand on the right and we won't get in your way. in return, please don't get in ours.

Well there are here. It says 'PLEASE STAND ON THE RIGHT' all the way up (and down).

otoh those signs are stupid as they imply there is no option other than to stand on the right; ie you must not walk up the left. they should say 'PLEASE DON'T STAND ON THE LEFT'.

i like tourists, generally. it pisses me off when they stop in the middle of the pavement/doorway or walk up the pavement r e a l l y s l o w l y four abreast with their arms linked or stand on the left, but non-tourists do those things too. mispronunciations are sweet, and i don't mean that to be patronising and i know it goes in every direction - for the longest time i thought arkansas and arkansaw were two different states. i get a massive kick when i see obvious tourists taking pictures of my beautiful city. it is fucking depressing, though, when they stop me to ask a question and i stop, all smiles and wanting them to love london as much as i do and be helpful so they will love the people here, and they ask me where the nearest fucking pissing sodding bloody shitting mcdonalds is. FUCK OFF TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM if you are going to behave like that. seriously, fuck you.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

it is fucking depressing, though, when they stop me to ask a question and i stop, all smiles and wanting them to love london as much as i do and be helpful so they will love the people here, and they ask me where the nearest fucking pissing sodding bloody shitting mcdonalds is. FUCK OFF TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM if you are going to behave like that. seriously, fuck you.

-- emsk (vomit.quif...), January 18th, 2006.

roffles, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

yes. yes, we are in a hurry. we are not on holiday, we live here and are trying to get up the escalator with a purpose in mind at the end, and we want to spend as little time in the stinking tube as possible. this is a city, the pace is fast. also some of us, y'know, LIKE MOVING. if you don't, that's fine, stand on the right and we won't get in your way. in return, please don't get in ours.

OTFM!!!

But then again, this used to piss me off in NYC, as well. Like, DUDE!!! I am not on holiday. I actually work here, now get out of my way while you gawp at the pretty buildings.

filled the fjords of my brain (kate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

i wish dave q was still here

roffles, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, this is tourists in general anywhere, not specifically americans in europe.

heheh do you remember that spoof news story thing about when they were going to introduce lanes on oxford street, and if you were walking too slow in the fast lane you would get fined?

xpost - if people don't like our poor little pisshole, why the fuck have they spent thousands of their dollars/euros/whatevers coming here? who's the SUCKER?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Stand ing on the left? You must be on vacation (in D.C.):

Recent offenders include 21 fifth-graders from Westview Elementary School near Muncie, Ind., seven New York State Police troopers in gray dress uniforms and the Eichel family of Chapel Hill, N.C.

Mike W (caek), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

I have had a rumour that Dave Q is coming back you know...

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

That wasn't a news spoof, Emsk, that was an ILX thread! (And Ed was going to run trams down the middle of the street.)

filled the fjords of my brain (kate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

no no it was a spoof thing, there were people phoning in to radio london or whatever and fighting about it and everything. it was some new pr company being launched and this was the way they did it to get attention etc. i was gutted when i heard that cos i totally wanted it to be real. i'm sure it got its own thread though!

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

They totally nicked that off our thread! It was OUR IDEA that we had ages ago!

filled the fjords of my brain (kate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

you might well be right...

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

where is that thread kate? i can only find this one

Indignant Bicyclists (and pedestrians!)

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

No, this one:

Would London be a better place if they'd never got rid of the trams?

(I think?)

filled the fjords of my brain (kate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

then i think sadly they didn't nick the idea from ilx -

http://walking.about.com/od/holiday/a/pavementrage.htm

plus google "operation tugboat" and it comes up with loads more.

and i was def still living in shepherds bush when it was going on as the only reason i heard the radio phone in thing was that that was the only station the radio in the bathroom in that flat would pick up, so 2000 would be about right...

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Damn... we did come up with it on our own, though. I never heard the radio show. I would wholeheartedly have approved, though!

I mean... "meep meep" - I might just start saying that instead of the current "EH! EH! EH!" alarm sound that I sometimes forget I make out loud.

filled the fjords of my brain (kate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

you need a harpo marx style horn.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.kino.de/pix/MBBILDER/MITWIRK/Z0127058.JPG

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

knocking over Stonehenge

latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

it was everywhere, not just on the radio! i'm SURE i must have had a conversation with you about it at the time as i was really looking forward to it happening, though i was a bit confused about how it would work when you wanted to get out of the fastest lane and into a shop.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

My mother in law offering me a dollar to pay for parking at Heathrow -

"You mean this is REALLY no good here?"

If the dollar was good enough for Jesus Christ then it ought to be good enough for these people!

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

...the only reason i specifically remember that radio show was that some woman phoned in saying something like "well i think it's disgraceful! people should have the right to walk at the speed they want to!" and i got angry going "yes! exactly! and that INCLUDES the people who want to walk at a speed higher than half a fucking mile a fucking hour! you daft bint!" and splashing water everywhere.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Next time, borrow some money from her and pay it back in Euros.

x-post

filled the fjords of my brain (kate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Daria, Martin, teeny et al are right, learn some basic phrases and even if you just say Bonjour and then switch to English it will go a long way. Remember your p's & q's in English or French of Swahili for all I care ALWAYS.

And don't be loud, and don't complain or whinge. I travelled all through Europe all last summer with a ton of tourists and the ones that most got on my nerves were the morons who were constantly bitching, usually about things being different than America. I even had a group of fat Americans in Ireland complain that the mini-van was not big enough for them, and they would need more vehicles. Get a grip. I am so sure the tour operators need to get one vehicle per person because you can't stop eating.

The idea is to try to be quintessentially diplomotic: as in humble and conciliatory to the fact that you are in another country and don't know what the customs are. But Paris is pretty normal as long as you are not a totally rude pig, despite the reputation the French have for being rude.

And being in one country for one day does not make you an expert on a place or a country. I heard lots of loud conversations from apparent American "experts" because they had been in Naples for two days, they knew all about it.

Just be nice and play nice and though it's sweet that you have even asked this question, try to remember that you really shouldn't care all that much about what other people think. It is nice that you are trying to break the stereotype though.

Sassmaster, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

my sister and dad are going to london in a couple weeks. big sis asked what she should avoid doing - i stressed the standing on the right side of the escalator thing, and not stopping to ponder in the middle of the sidewalk. i think my dad is going to look for a bar thats playing nascar races on the tv. anyone know of any? i told him that was lame, but he practically teared up.

POOP BITCH (Mandee), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

But then again, this used to piss me off in NYC Aspen, as well. Like, DUDE!!! I am not on holiday. I actually work here, now get out of my way while you gawp at the pretty buildings mountains.


Locals in pissed at tourists shocker.

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

The capital of Europe is Epcot, isn't it?

...as in humble and conciliatory to the fact that you are in another country and don't know what the customs are.

I think a lot of spoiled Americans think of vacation as travel & relaxation, and not as visiting & learning.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Locals in pissed at tourists shocker.

There are probably still bumper stickers in my hometown, stuck on stop signs and things, that read "Privacy is priceless...tourism isn't". And this is a town of 3000 people, you'd think they'd be glad just to have someone new to look at.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

DIY UNKLE - vacations should be about travelling and relaxing, but that doesn't mean leaving basic manners and etiquette at home. Show some fucking class and respect for other people and you will do fine the world over. The "stereotype" (and in some cases fact) is that American tourists/travellers/vacationers have no class or respect for other people and/or cultures and that's why foreigners hate them.

Sassmaster, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I'm surely not defending them.. I'm saying their completely ignorant and think of the world as their playground....

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

yes. yes, we are in a hurry. we are not on holiday, we live here and are trying to get up the escalator with a purpose in mind at the end, and we want to spend as little time in the stinking tube as possible. this is a city, the pace is fast. also some of us, y'know, LIKE MOVING. if you don't, that's fine, stand on the right and we won't get in your way. in return, please don't get in ours.

I feel the same way everywhere I've ever been in the US. Except I got called out for standing 2 abreast over July 4 in DC by a Brit (who then announced loudly to no one in particular about the "mo-rons and more mo-rons" around him). And in some sense he was right, I guess especially as we were en route from metro to train station (which is also huge mall/theater complex), but I still wish I had taken the opportunity to point out that this was July 4 weekend AND EVERYONE AROUND HIM WAS ON FUCKING HOLIDAY (CELEBRATING GUESS WHAT)!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

"their ignorant" .. great typo!

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly it is not just Americans that are guilty of being ignorant and rude on holiday - there seems to be a general theory that on holiday you can completely turn your brain off and wander around like a lost cause and act like a total prat...if you want to do that I suggest you go to an all-inclusive RESORT where you can beach yourself in a deck chair and have someone shove food and beverages into your mouth on a regular basis adn be surrounded by other people who are doing the same instead of going to a metropolitan city where as it has been pointed out here the majority of people are not on holiday and are trying to get shit done.

Sorry DIY UNKLE I did take your comment out of context, it did sound more like a defense the way it was worded, but in retrospect I see how I made the mistake. (you were just theorizing on the assumptions of the American tourist as opposed to making a judgement on the validity of said assumption)

Sassmaster, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)


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