My boyfs secret identity (Rule of 3)

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I'm not telling but it seems to keep cropping up in other threads and it is taking my mind off the hell that is my life at the moment so please, guess away.....

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ja Rule?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he on Eastenders?

Is it Dale Winton?

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he a footballer?

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

James Hewitt?

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Vanilla Ice?

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(red hair + crimes against humanity) = is he ronald mcdonald?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

for this to be more than an ego trip you have to say if somebody's right, ok?

tim from big bro...i'm kidding. is it john inverdale?

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it's Ronald McDonald.

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Bruce Wayne?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul Burrell?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex Ferguson?

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex from BB3??

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish it were Alex, at least my house would be clean when I got home!

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Since when has "more than an ego trip" been a requirement for an ILE thread?

Is it Graham?

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

You have to say now if it is anyone previously mentioned (on other threads as well).

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

He's never been mentioned.
This is like sooooo built up now you are gonna be so disappointed when you find out.

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

angus deayton?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

She has ruled him out (in two ways).

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Estelle Morris?

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Vladimir Putin?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't believe that the whole of ilx has yet to yeald the correct famous ginger person who was in the press last week.

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Erm, he's not famous, I was just amused at the suggestions. Told you you'd be disappointed.
*tiptoes away quietly with head bowed*

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Craig Devlin.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

it's mick hucknall, isn't it.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Not violent, not sexual, but v.unpopular - it has to be drug running.
Except that is likely to have got quite violent.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

he's not famous? AT ALL?! all those sleepless nights spent poring over heat magazine and for nothing?

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately my supply of Scottish tabloids from last week is v.incomplete.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

aha, charles kennedy!

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I didn't actually say he was famous, just that he'd been in the papers, if anything he's infamous. And it's not Drug related either, N.
You are getting closer and closer to figuring out what it is and I don't really wanna have to tell you, I know it will change some peoples opnion of me for staying with him.

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he a thief of the butlerish variety?

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

er...j*hn l*sl**?

― blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

CHARLES KENNEDY! I'm jealous. One for the husband list!

Plinkyy, it's not as if we even know your REAL NAME is it?!

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really care about the identity. It's just driving me mad thinking about what crime is so bad in people's eyes that isn't violent, sexual or drug-related. I suppose ripping people off or getting away with massive fraud.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

OR DO WE and are you the deceased spirit of Princess Di (gawd bless yer marm)...

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

At the end of the day, it's down to you whether u stay with him. U know him & deem him worthy of ur relationship so i wouldn't worry what other people think. Have the courage of ur convictions! If u have gone this far with it on ilx, then why dont u jst tell people what it is, i'm sure u wont be thgt of any differently.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Plinky if you don't want people to find out don't start threads inviting them to guess.

I think the only non-sexual non-violent crimes likely to arouse the kind of outrage and potential tabloid interest being talked about are crimes against animals or hate crimes, Nick.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

tell us. we have no ethics.

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, I know you don't know who I am but I kinda like that I'm not being judged here, but I've a feeling some of you will judge and I wouldn't balme you. You will want to discuss it too and I'm sick of going over it and trying to justify myself to everyone I know. He's just phoned, he's spoken to his lawyer and there' a chance he'll go to jail soon (just for a few days), I'm trying very hard not to cry in work - I'm such a wuss.

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Can u leave work early? I know it must be difficult, but if it's only for a few days then you'll both be able to get thru it & move on. Maybe moving to a new area is the answer. I am sure no one will judge u. U don't have to justify urself at all, but u did post this thread!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

start a thread about kittens instead, plinky.

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Cruelty to animals is a kind of violence.

Hmm.. racist hate crime - yeah good point. That wouldn't go down very well.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Whenever you feel like crying, imagine punching a kitten. Then imagine the kitten saying, "But I love you, Doris; WHY MUST YOU TREAT ME LIKE AN ANIMAL???????"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm sure our agony in trying to work it out is nothing compared to what you must be going through...hope you get through it whatever happens

― blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. Of course. Sorry if this is all seeming callous but as Tom said you did start the thread.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

OK. I'm an eejit to start this thread but the dafttness of the guesses on all the other threads was cheering me up. Sorry if I've pissed anyone off.
Pinkpanther, thanks but I can't leave work early again, I did that last week and I've a feeling things are gonna get worse before they get better.
Anyway, kittens - aren't they lovely?

― Plinky (Plinky), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Nick but Plinky didn't say it was non-violent she said it didnt involve violence against the person (IIRC, I haven't checked).

NB Plinky I will lock this thread if you want, just say so. Best wishes for getting through the next few days.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sure the daft guessing in-joke will continue too :)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

John Leslie?

― david h (david h), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

lock lock lock

take care

― david h (david h), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

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Is it Freddie 'Parrot Face' Davies (RIP)? Certainly sounds like him.

― DavidM (DavidM), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Plinky,
I am sure that a lot of ILXers would love to give you advice on your situation. Perhaps you can explain it a bit without actually saying who your bf is? If I were you, I would worry someone might google his name and find your ILX comments.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

IT'S JOHN ASHCROFT!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan McGee?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

John Leslie

― ttt, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah thanx, I've asked for advice before and everyone was very helpfull -

Forgive and Forget?

― Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Freddie "Parrot Face" Davies is still alive.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Freddie "Parrot Face" Davies is still alive.

He's dead to me.

― DavidM (DavidM), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it Chris Fishwick?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

Today my boyf was jailed for 4 months so it's no longer necessary to keep his identity secret.

I am gonna post some links to newspaper articles about him because I'm in a bit of a state and I really don't wanna write about what he did.

I DO NOT condone his actions, I cannot defend them. I will say however that he is a changed man, he was a very mixed up grief stricken man when he got mixed up in this mess and he didn't write the leaflet in question, he distributed it after being told it was legal.

Most of these articles are complete lies but some are based on the truth (vaguely) so here ya go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2473967.stm

http://www.s1news.com/

Search under "Dav1d W1lson" [swap anti-googler numerals - Moderator] it'll give you all you need to know.

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yikes. Obviously a massively emotive issue which means it's being reported in a fairly het-up fashion. I can certainly see why you chose to keep it under your hat until now.

The very best of luck to you and yours, Plinky. I hope you come out the other side well and happy.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

For being jailed under a woefully misbegotten law on questionable facts, he has my sympathy.

For being a BNP member, fuck him.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

He is categorically NOT a member of the BNP. I would have nothing to do with him if he was. That'll be one of those lies I was talking about.

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, that's an important difference. I retract the obscenity.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

...And I would definitely consider calling up a PR firm were I you.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, I hope you end up okay, plink.

I was typing some judgement of your boyf but. hm, why was he distributing these if he hadn't produced them and wasn't a member of the BNP? it just doesn't make much sense to me.

good luck.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

plinkyy, what's your view on racism?

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

She answered in the racism thread, Mark, which I thought was quite brave considering (I'd worked out who the Plinky Boyfriend was a bit upthread, which is why i mentioned hate crimes).

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

In short -
His best friend died in a car crash, the person responsible escaped justice, he became your proverbial "angry young man" and went looking for trouble - he got it. That's not an excuse, many people suffer grief and don't go out and do horrible stuff to others. It took me a long time to come to terms with what he's done and it took me even longer to believe he's changed.

If you read my entry on the racism thread it might help a bit.

Racism

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally I think the identity scrambling should continue, because I don't want the tabloids googling and finding ILE, and more importantly I don't want BNP sympathisers googling and finding ILE.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

OK sorry Tom, still a bit in shock today, do whatever you think needs done.

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

(so moderator better remove guys name?)

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, yes, I hadn't seen it before. Please forget I asked.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeez Louise. :-( All I can say right now is, *hugs* for Plinky.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I just hope you've given very careful consideration to staying with him, Plinky. Not because this necessarily means he's a racist or career criminal, but just because it's a not-very-bright thing to wind up at the center of: it was a mixed-up time, maybe, but surely it says something about him that his mixed-up time ended with this in particular. In fact, I can't imagine a person winding up doing this without being either racist, incredibly mean-spirited, dumb as dirt, unprecedentedly gullible, easily-led, spineless and weak-willed, or just confused beyond the point of being able to function properly.

I mean, I can take your word for it that the reports put it in a worse light than they should, or that he's a fine enough guy in person. But I can't think of what story or explanation can be put behind this that doesn't point to a massive character flaw on his part.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry, to clarify: I'm not saying he's all of those things above, but it would have to be one of them or some combination of a few for this to be possible, and none of them are qualities that bode well for the future.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

but he might have qualities that do bode well for the future too, and have them in abundance!

― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

my question is, why is "incitement to religious hatred" not a crime and "incitement to racial hatred" is?

― g (graysonlane), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he would have to have some really promising characteristics (Nobel Prize winner?) to balance something this dumb-sounding! But it's certainly possible, which is why I only asked whether Plinky had given it careful thought.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"confused beyond the point of being able to function properly" pretty much sums it up. I have given it a lot of thought, obviously there are factors which are far too long and personal to go into, but I know where you are coming from and it is a concern. I love him very much and find it hard to reconcile his actions with the person I know, only time will tell.

g - the reason he's been all over the newspapers is precisley that.

I think the Sheriff has taken the law into her own hands, there was a lengthy commons debate about Musilms and race/religion, they couldn't decide but a Scottish sheriff has done it for them. That said, even if what he did wasn't technically wrong it was still morally wrong so I know where she's coming from. Once again though, he didn't write it, he only distributed it and he was assured by those scumbags that it was perfectly legal.

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

B-b-but were they paying him to do it, or something? I mean, if you go around distributing leaflets either (a) you're a paid delivery service, or (b) you agree with them. Who goes around distributing controversial leaflets they disagree with for no good reason?

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The far right never lost members by persuading unhappy and not-too-bright people that their beliefs were reasonable and/or 'misunderstood' by those nasty out-of-touch newspapers/media. Plenty of said recruits then regret it afterwards, too, I think.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(people who are in states of extreme anger and grief do all sorts of things that make no sense or work by opposites, nabisco)

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

That should be an 'and/or' in my last post.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"confused beyond the point of being able to function properly"

Like I said, there are other things going on and it'd take me about 40 pages to open that can of worms and I aint doin' it.

He did it, it was wrong, he knows it was wrong, he is sorry, he's severed all ties with the BN4, he's knows that part of changing is accepting responsibilty for your actions and facing the consequences. He just wants to do the time and get on with his life, if the press & Ant1 Naz1 League will let us.

Like I said in my original thread, he's a good man with a bad bad past.

I love him very much and, all this carry on aside, he makes me very happy. I miss him already.

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco, do you like People?

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I hardly think being appalled and a bit judgemental in this case adds up to an anti-people stance Graham. I was pretty horrified when I realised who it was too. I just think flirting with extremism has a much higher 'rehabilitation rate' than most bad things.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry, I certainly don't mean to seem appalled or judgmental. And I understand that people, in times of stress and confusion, do many things they regret. But surely we learn things about them from what particular regrettable actions they take, and this -- to a casual observer like me -- seems like the sort of thing that would lead me to seriously question either a person's good-heartedness or his intelligence.

I guess I'm not entirely surprised that I'd be a lot more suspicious of him than the rest of you. Perhaps a lot of the people who do these sorts of things are confused and basically pleasant young men: if you're not white you don't exactly get a chance to find that out.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco I think being apalled and judgemental is absolutely appropriate - no need to apologise!

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah Nabisco, Tom beat me to that. I would have probably reacted in the same way before I met David, that you are even prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt is commendable, especially considering some of the extreme reactions I have had.

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just seen this now and I just like to say that i hope you get through this situation and come out of it OK.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Best wishes for the next few months for both of you, Plinky

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, best wishes.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 14 November 2002 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I have zero sympathy for this guy. And I think it makes the 'guess who my famous boyfriend is' game even more off-putting.

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 14 November 2002 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

BNW - I never said he was famous. I'm only human and it helped me through a hard time, just like this is helping.

Thanks everyone for your support, it's very much appreciated.

I'm gonna try and get some sleep now, think some prescription pills may be in order - I'm such a wuss!

― Plinky (Plinky), Thursday, 14 November 2002 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the fact that he was easily led while under emotional duress means that this guy has a massive intrinsic character flaw that cannot be overcome. Only leave him if he shows the slightest sign of reverting to his old behaviour.

"do you like People?"

He was sending mail which could have incited racist attacks against other PEOPLE, so I don't see how a suspicion of this is an anti-people stance. If I'd seen this story, without hearing Plinky's version of events, I'd have said: "Take that, you racist fucker!", so obviously I'd still be a bit wary of him, myself. But he's doing his time, so he can start afresh afterwards. There's time for him to prove himself a decent man.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 15 November 2002 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

So it's the morning after and I'm starting to come to terms with things. The papers have been surprisingly low key so far considering the lengths they went to researching their story, I'm wondering if they're gonna do a feature at the weekend or something. I got an offer from a tabloid to go and speak to them but I decided against it, I'm at a low point right now and I could easily make an error of judgement so I'm just gonna keep my head down. David phoned from prison, he's been put in segregation but not with the paedophiles which is what was worrying him, he's a big star right now, a novelty coz he's been in the news but I just wonder what will happen when the novelty has worn off - I'm so scared for him.
For the record I've never seen the leaflet he distributed, I wouldn't allow it in my house and it'd just upset me more. From what I've been told though it didn't actually say "go out and hurt people" it pointed to an alleged rise in the number of attacks on white people by Muslim youths and compared the situation to that in Oldham etc. It's still wrong but it wasn't a "take to the streets lke a vigilante" type thing, their suggestion was to join some sub BN4 organisation, pathetic really.

― Plinky (Plinky), Friday, 15 November 2002 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that sounds like inciting racial hatred.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 15 November 2002 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i can understand your despair at seeing your boyfriend in prison, not knowing if his 'fame' might be a problem for him in there.
but on the other hand, if he has actually acknowledged that what he did was wrong and that it hurt other people, the best is to go ahead, pay your bill and try to start anew in a few months (he will probably come out before the 4 months, no?).
we all make mistakes, and we all should have the right to mend them and then start anew.
good luck.

― joan vich (joan vich), Friday, 15 November 2002 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

What Joan said. Yesterday I checked in a book at the library about a Jewish family who befriended a KKK member who had threatened them specifically to see if they could break through the hate, and they did, to where the fella realized his follies and rejected his past. Obviously I'm not drawing an exact parallel here, but what this story tells me is that it is wrong to give up on the idea of Plinky's feller not learning and not realizing, and from what Plinky said he's learning indeed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 November 2002 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

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