C or D: Star Trek

Original kind of campy, it's okay. The rest, meh. Except for Enterprise, which is a massive dud. It's more dud than Carter USM.

Spock: Classic

Kirk: Dud

The shows in general: classic, but I'm not about to deliver any strong arguments to justify my position.

There's a thread in the archives somewhere. My judgment there still stands (yay Next Gen, that's about it). I am looking forward to the new film, to be sure...

high point: Star Trek the Motion Picture.
low point: the one with the whales.

original series - pretty good, compares badly to TNG.

the rest - after my time.

but the best theme tune is the one for the enterprise actually. i was wrong abt it, it did grow on me. jel was right!

''ALL of us.''

ooh...so many possibilities.

I hate it and the awful legion of Trekkers who bleat "don't call us Trekkers it's derogatory" Fuck you, you should be derogated for your stupid Klingon masks, you fuckpuppies.

I like the mushy moral issue/love interest episodes of TNG. I like the more complex plotting and excitement of Voyager. I THINK the only thing about Enterprise I like is the relative novelty. And the dog. And singing along loudly to the theme tune, waving a lighter and swaying.

Last night I watched THE NEXT GENERATION with good old Jean-Luc. TNG = grebt! Deanna Troy = WEED, Guinan = roxx0r despite being Whoopi Goldberg chiz, Worf = TOP NOTCH, Rikers facial hair = character in itself. And JL's relationship with GINGER DOCTOR Crusha always interesting to watch. As for young Wesley and his astonishingly badly made up face, an ensign?? Whatever, take him back to the creche.

The less we say about Deep Space 9 the better.

I appear to have opinions on this, GOR!

Hehe this morning I woke up with Adam and Joes star-trek song in my head:

"they're luuuucky... they don't have to wait for buses... just jump in the transspooooorter... and off we boldly go"

*bounce*

Also last nights episode of TNG had a character called Tasha YARRRR!!!

They met for the first time at a party in the Eighties. "Oh, you're Dennis? Hey, I've heard of you! We have the same dad." Hollywood's just the craziest.

> Deanna Troy = WEED

I'm sensing... Jealousy. 8)

i phear starry, too much star trek knowledge. that said, i watch all of them and all the repeats. i don't always enjoy them though, that's my disclaimer.

Next Generation -- Classic. The most interesting characters of the whole franchise. Aliens are fine, but with out strong characters you got nothing.

DS9 -- Didn't see enough to comment.

Voyager -- Zzzzzzzzzzzzz....Zzzzzzz...Zzzzzzzz....

Enterprise -- Could be better. But these shows need time to get going.

Next Gen: Okay, I like Picard and Data.

Deep Space Nine: Bit rubbish

Voyager: I have major issues with Janeways hairdo.

Enterprise: Classic!! But why is it on a Sunday at 6:45? I keep missing it! Jolene Blalock *schwing* (hey, give me a break, it's a Star Trek thread!!!)

Original Star Trek kicked mighty Klingon rump, so lets all form a triangle with our hans and say "Peace Brother".
ST:TNG started off sucking hard but the borg rocked and the writers started to look past the tight fitting clothes and actually writing scripts.
The others I couldn't care about though Enterprise didn't seem that bad the one time I caught it.

well, what in gods name was happening to janeway's hair. but IT HAD SEVEN OF NINE. it had the best story (not that it matters but its a bonus).

enterprise: i think it needs to get going. its alright but it needs something. and yes, jolene has a great ass!

I get quite nostalgic about the original series which I don't particularly like as it was such an impoverished show. Before I sold all my tapes and finally converted properly to DVD, I used to have some of the films (Wrath Of Khan, Search For Spock, The Voyage Home) on video.

I love the idea of Deep Space Nine however. Their bold mission to go nowhere, do nothing, just sit around and see who drops by..

its like, the old ones were better cuz there were more daft one off type things

"Hey Herbert - do we reach?"
"We reach."

ps. As a non wishy-washy liberal myself, it's not the liberalism I'm complaining about.

i wish ppl wd turn delany into sf-tv: triton!! nova!! hogg!!

the new series-long story arch is an odd feature. i liked the cup of zero-gravity coffee. disliked the fact that they wouldn't show us the severed finger because it would put us off our sunday afternoon tea. or something.

i think i'm going to watch some star trek.

Report back.

i will.

how come the Trill in TNG look nothing like the Trill in DS9? (bumpy noses rather than spots that go 'all the way down')

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUA35XQxxw8

Weird that this just popped up. I decided, after going basically my entire life without watching any Star Trek-related stuff, that I was going to hunker down and start watching it. After all, I consider myself a nerd, and love sci-fi, but had never seen Star Trek! Star Trek, for crying out loud!

So I started with the original series, and... so far, it's like, really, really good.

I'm not saying that in any sort of campy way, either; I don't know if it's because shows back then had less commercials and were therefore longer, but I get more wrapped up in each episode than I do most hour-long monster-of-the-week shows these days. It's like the extra six minutes per episode is entirely used dangling important characters off the edge of a cliff, or something. Even though I know they must all come out okay, I'm convinced Kirk or Sulu or McCoy are FUCKED this time for REAL. To be fair, I'm only about 12 episodes into TOS, but if it keeps up this level of interest, I'll watch TNG, DS9, Voyager and even Enterprise. And all of those movies.

I'd like to give special thanks to the WGA for making this possible! :)

even Enterprise

Oh dear.

OST is GREAT for so many reasons. Just design-wise its fantastic. As for the other series, law of diminishing returns in effect yo.

Just design-wise its fantastic.

Shakey OTM. OST looks amazing, like the best Godzilla flicks (Mothra stuff). Eye-burning technicolor, great/fakey costumes & sets, iconic characters, wierd blocky staging, stilted acting, trippy sound FX - all works together to make something almost surreal. David Lynch sci-fi. One of the coolest design objects ever to run on American TV.

its also a really wonderful collision of a bunch of "progressive" ideas (racially integrated crew, constant use of crudely scripted "issue-of-the-day" analogies, utopian futurism, etc.) with the most silly, crassly commercial instincts imaginable ("we need to beat the Monkees in primetime! Let's have a Russian character with a Beatle haircut!", Batman-esque fight scenes, green-skinned chicks in bikinis, etc.)

Honestly its a TV series I rarely tire of. Whenever I come back to it its very rewarding.

Helps if you watched it a lot as a kid, but have seldom returned to it since. That way you get the nostalgic familiarity mixed in with the "Hey, this is really damn cool!"

well yeah I definitely get that

Yeah, I have a feeling that like most IPs its own canon will drag it down into dangerously boring territory with the later series. Still, I am digging it atm. Although I got a HUGE laugh out of one enemy who looks EXACTLY like if the microsoft "box" screensaver was blurry. That was classic.

I've been re-watching the first two seasons of the OS since december, and it is like the best fucking television.

there is some odd synchronicity going on on this thread - the wife and I started in on Season 1 a few weeks ago.

i'm telling you man, WGA strike! we're all going back to the classixxxxxxx.

Ian, are you watching them "digitally restored" on hulu.com or something -- i fooocking hate that

The new high def versions of TOS are actually really amazing. I was really worried about the new effects being cheesy, but they're amazingly faithful, even when totally different.

I like it when I can sit down and watch one episode of TOS or TNG that has a nice little concept worked out in 45 min, without having to worry about some stupid boring soap-opera in space bullshit like DS9 or Voyager. Always found those two really depressing for some reason, didn't even bother watching Enterprise.

I have yet to see hi-def versions (just have the DVDs) but yeah everything I've heard has been good and indicated that they didn't make any George Lucas-style errors.

and yeah agreed that TNG is closer to the pleasantly self-contained nature of OST. they're like little fables, lots of basic archetypes.

I've been re-watching the first two seasons of the OS since december, and it is like the best fucking television.

-- ian, Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

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i know TNG gets shit from some people but i love that show too.

all the others...zzzzzzzz

TNG is my fave, but I've hardly seen the OG series since I was a kid. Maybe I'll put some on netflix.

I've been re-watching the first two seasons of the OS since december, and it is like the best fucking television.

The tone and character dynamics are wonderful, but the plots run along 'god-like alien beyond our ken' lines a little too often. Miles better than all the other yawnfests though (TNG has some good eps, but, really, who can be bothered to sift them out from all the 'soap opera on a spaceship' bollocks).

Something that really bugs me is people instantly assuming I'm some massive Trekkie when I tell them I'm a sci-fi fan.

Don't think TNG is soap operay very often. There's a few two parters, but anyone could sit down watch almost any episode and pretty much grasp what was going on.

brawny

The best are time loop, "alien presence," and other mindfuck episodes.

third series of ST:TOS gets very samey i found (bbc2 showed all of them over the course of last year, 2 every friday night. replaced by ST:TNG now. and ST:DS9 on every day on Virgin 1. is like the good old days)

last night's DS9 was the back to the future Tribbles episode.

The new movie is classic. Saw a press screening and it was awesome. High budget, great ILM effects, tons of excitement, great pacing, and enough references to the old shit to keep a lot of nerds happy.

People will still find as much to bitch about as they want, but I and the whole theater thoroughly enjoyed it.

Yeah, I kind of don't care about the whole Star Trek thing outside of the occasional enjoyment of the original cast and how they interact with each other in both the tv series and their films. But I have to say I'm pretty excited to see the new film.

I'm excited to see it, I grew up with TOS and have liked every incarnation as long as it was well done (ie: everything but Enterprise and most of Voyager, and about half the films). There's no reason this can't be good so I'm glad to hear it is.

There's no reason this can't be good

reeeeeally? Stardate 90210?

seeing @ press showing tom'w.

Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

"High budget, great ILM effects, tons of excitement, great pacing, and enough references to the old shit to keep a lot of nerds happy."

Haven't movies in general gotten good enough that basic action-movie competency and nerd-pandering are the new crap baseline?
Was that Speed Racer revival also classic?

The trailer for this looks SO FUCKING BAD

xpost - I haven't seen Speed Racer, but I have far more faith in JJ Abrams than I do in the Wachowski brothers.

Believe me--this movie could have failed utterly. Star Trek 90210--it's a fair reference. Except I think the performances, the spirit, and the vibe of this movie were all intact. It was a synthesis of many elements that made this flick so enjoyable for me.

Its purpose is to get new fans interested in a re-launched franchise, and to satisfy old fans, right? Well, as much as walking that tightrope is EVER possible, I'd say this movie succeeded with flying colors.

these are kind of neat:
http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-new-retro-art-prints

http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/ST_EP_28.png

http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/ST_EP_75.png

Ha, was just looking at those.

every original cast Star Trek movie has one great last act Shatner line reading that redeems the whole thing. "V... G... E... R." Doesn't matter how bad the rest of the movie is. "What does GOD need with a starship?" is iconic.

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) May 2, 2019