This Is The Thread Where You KEEP ON SHOUTING FOR THE MODERATOR!

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This is the thread where you ask moderators to delete or modify posts or threads elsewhere on ILX, or you alert us to stuff happening elsewhere on ILX that you think we shouldn't know about.

A quick reminder - the idea is that as few posts as possible get moderated or deleted. If you've posted something and you now regret it or are embarrassed by it and it's about yourself we probably won't delete it, for instance. If you've revealed a real name other info about somebody else then we probably will. ILX assumes people are intelligent and responsible and able to think before they post.

If you don't want to alert the moderators publically then email one of us - though this option might take longer.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigh I had such found memories of This is the thread where you SHOUT FOR THE MODERATOR!
(Sorry Im on a cross referencing binge @ work and its carrying over)

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is the print tiny? Is this happening to anyone else or is my head expanding?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

everybody keep a safe distance from nick's head

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you on a PC? Try control and mousewheel

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooo my text has gone smaller too... I thoght it was just my pc going bonkers.

celeste (Celeste), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The ctrl/mousewheel works at changing font size, but it jumps from being smaller than normal to larger than normal, with no normal in between, so it doesn't seem like something on my end.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

this happened last time i tried to enter a table into a post:

table gap madness on http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=3303923

any hints on how to harness the spacing would be appreciated. and thank you in advance for housekeeping maintaining the aesthetic brilliance that we've come to expect from ILX.

gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i <3 ILX mods!!

: )

^_^

O_o

(",)

gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, thou roxxeth thee html.

*bows down before*

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it's probably better how it is

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i just viewed the code Am, haha.

gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

We seemed to have gained two new boards that I'm sure we don't need

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 February 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you on a PC? Try control and mousewheel

SWEET JESUS! what a fantastic function.
sorry, but it had to be said. that's just fabby.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 13 February 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

You might want to look at the new boards:

"I hate people who create boards just to say if the (new answers) "


???

logged_out, Thursday, 13 February 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I note that someone (no names etc.) has buggered the 'last word' thread with an iframe tag. Possibly deliberate, arguably for the best...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe you should wipe the whole of that thread about sean m. hall, it seems to've just caused pointless upset

d, Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh! Simultaneous post! thats exactly what I was going to say. It's just feeding the troll.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

done

moderator s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

fank ooo

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Had a look at that html thread and viewed the source out of curiosity. Some of the code seems to include my login name and email address. I can't make head nor tail of why its in there or what its doing but I don't like it. I did not post to that thread. Can you remove it please? Also I'd like to know who's doing it. I'm not going to point fingers but can someone tell me who it is?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Excuse my paranoia.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Opening this thread : My complaint about ILE takes you to B4ngbus. I know no one has complained about it before but if you were at work it might be a a bad thing to happen.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Opening this thread : My complaint about ILE doesn't take me to B4ngbus. I know no one has complained about it before but I'm perturbed.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha. There is a javascript link at the bottom. Maybe you have turned javascript off

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(or a moderator deleted the post)

Graham (graham), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone please delete my posts to the "Introduce Yourself" thread? I was not feeling well at all last night and wrote some extremely self-pitying and self-serving garbage which begs deletion.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

If I offered money would it help?

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you posted my present yet?

Graham (graham), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Are the deleted messages kept anywhere? Sean M Hall's just posted on AAD that he's going to try and "ruin" the board again. I deleted it on sight in a pissed fit.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 15 February 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone delete Naspitsuh and Sterling?

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 February 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Not stored anywhere currently. This may change.

Graham (graham), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, you should probably lock the "Does rap count as REAL music?" thread. I didn't realize it was Se*n H*ll and I answered it (albeit facetiously).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 February 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Much obliged if a moderator could delete these two posts. I don't mind the ILX faithful having my phone numbers, but random Googlers are another matter.

Defiant Drinking or new DC FAP thread
Defiant Drinking or new DC FAP thread

j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

delete RSPMJLGH please

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 16 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

seconded

fearofspam, Sunday, 16 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Keep "I hate Ask A Drunk". It's ace.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 17 February 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Seconded.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 17 February 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

thirded

duane, Monday, 17 February 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Pls. delete my mis-posted H x W Clint Conley on BurmakKitty's "How far would you take your children..." thread on ILM

Danke.

jm (jtm), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

That cheeky demon Sean M Hall is redirecting threads on AAD to his website. They're a buggery arse to get rid of cos the page flips to his before you can click on the admin link. I don't want him banned (yet) but can everyone, i dunno, mess with him a bit?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you tried turning off javascript? If its just javascript that should solve it.

If its refresh tags I didn't think they were supposed to work in the middle of pages, but don't trust browsers to conform to spec.

In either case, graham probably could cook up some code to prevent such malicious tags from being posted (i.e. there should never be a reason to post either javascript or refresh tags to any board on ilxor).

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you moderators!

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

in the FAP Dublin thread, could my post where I said "YOU ARE A COCKWAD" to Andrew be changed to "FUK C YOPU CNUTY"?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the former should stay.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh. Will you please delete the post in the Nerds thread where I posted a link instead of the picture? THANKS!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you delete my post off the 'when loves dies'. Flicking through applications and pressing return sometimes causes partial posts to be added to the detabase. Arse.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 21 February 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we have any idea who is responsible for the cross-postings from a prostitution forum? And can we eat them?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

If Sean M Hall is cockfarming on a regular basis then we should consider putting him in the 'sin bin' for a bit if we can.

HELP OUT THE MODERATORS DEPT: can you link to the thread you want altered cos it saves us a lot of time?

Colin where are these postings?

DV: no.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

In a couple of places -- there's one on the curried goat thread at the moment.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I seldom AIM high, though there have been a few occasions

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha Alan, How about Delete the Internet?

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

By request:

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember the last thing I moderated.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Stunning!

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I know! My life is just excess!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi. Could someone please delete my typo on the ILM drummers picture thread (second last post). Thanx.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 6 April 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, the bottom two posts I made (they could tell that quickly that I was linking the pic to ILM? Weird.) can go. THANK YOU!!!

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 6 April 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

A couple of points. These are just my opinions, and I've not consulted with fellow mods, but:
1. That's a big thread with lots of pics, so takes a while to load. A link to one of the posts you wanted removing would have been very helpful - right-click on link, copy shortcut, paste into your post.
2. Whyever should these be deleted? What possible harm are they doing? Indeed, would the first not allow people to find the pic you wanted?
(This is part of my belief that we mods have been doing too much lately.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I can see it's just a link that doesn't work.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 6 April 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry. I just thought the first one made a mess of things, and the second one worked for a couple of minutes and then went away. I didn't mean to be a pest. Carry on.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 6 April 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm getting death threat emails from a certain ajcm@softcom.net you can see the thread where he starts it anyway - Why are there so many stupid people on the internet?

let me know if you need a copy of the email? i dont want to make a big deal of it i just thought i should let a moderator know about it, thanks!

rebekah (rebekah), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I'll get rid of him, I've had enough. I'm emailing you now.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi. Could someone please delete my typo on the ILM drummers picture thread (second last post). Thanx.

I don't think it's the moderators' job to correct your spelling mistakes. Type more carefully in future.

Of course, I am not a moderator.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I stupidly wrote my emailin the blank where the q was supposed to be (OP10 - Police) - could you change that pls? thanx!!!!

dave q, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Done

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoops, I think I just dunnit too. Oh well.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry Andrew)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems done either way, so we all win

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't see anything on the all new what are you listening to thread.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Looks fine to me...Is it loading at all and THEN disappearing? Does the page have a title in the bar, or on the page itself? What's the last thing you see?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Can one of the moderators delete my ILE thread entitled "Is there a hermeneutics of contemporary album titles"? I reposted it to ILM as I had posted it to ILE by mistake.

Thanks!

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

your wish is my command, monsignor

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Thankee!

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone add the double-quote which will make Tick, Tick, (masonic) BOOM! actually work? just after the URL in the last link.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

OK.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheers. Our ring of geosynchronous moderators pays off again.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone delete me?

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i think mine's broken

ron (ron), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You know seeing as how I'm the man of the moment here and just, blurry eyed, logged on I figured I'd state a few things:

Firstly, and I've said this before, I'm not sexist. Only an assclown like Sterling can think that. I'm fed of explaining why I'm not sexist - but if you take a look at my threads you'll see there is nothing being said against women that is not being said about men either (I've had some digs at various male celebs too). Also, the threads are so over the top ludicrious that I honestly do get shocked when some moron comes along and says (with their wonderful psuedo-liberalism): "Oh my God, there's women on this forum and you talk about Missy Elliot being a bit on the smelly side how DARE you?" Likewise, someone once said I was homophobic for, crimes of crimes, insinuating that feeling attracted to Cerys Matthews might indicate you like to be manhandled. I'm still confused over why this would make me a homophobe but I'm really hoping to find out because I consider myself to have no prejudices at all and hold this quite proudly.

Also, Kate was one member moaning about my threads. But I see she can post, on ILE, 'Christ I'm can hardly walk this morning' and then go on about how she's had a good shagging in the thread content or start a thread called 'Kate's bored let's talk about ARSE'. I mean, the sex threads on ILE are a lot more explicit and real than any of the cartoonish stuff I've posted which is there to maybe make you chuckle but certainly not for some idiot like Sterling to start whining about as if the guy's never fucking lived! Christ man, go to an amatuer comedy night or walk into Soho Square or something! It's just really sad that someone so repressed and easily shocked exists. I almost want to show him a few episodes of Jam or Brass Eye or send him The Acid House or American Psycho or something. No doubt he'd have a heart attack - because it's people like this that would actually stop these sort of works being released. I find censorship a scary thing, and have rallied against it whenever I can. Sterling, remember, exists everywhere - and right now it's people like him in the Whitehouse.

But these are my points. I mean, what would happen if it had been ME and not good ol' harmless huggable Kate posting: "I just fucked some girl ALL last night and, whoooo baby, the sweat on my bed sheets and stench of used rubbers is so thick you can wash your face in it"???? Not that I'd post this because I find talking about my private life on a public forum to be really degrading to (especially) whomever my partner might be and also to myself - and I mean that, but that doesn't neccessarily mean that I'd want Kate censored or banned. It's up to her to make that decision, but if I was the guy going out with her (insert whatever you want in here, I fully expect it and could care less) I'd be VERY fucking pissed off at being discussed on a public forum.

But, hey, that's just me. Doesn't make me right or wrong. Just makes me - me. And if ILM wants to ban me (and let's face it, I'm on and off here, I'm not really a regular) then that's up to them. But where do you start and stop?

Calum, Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone else notice that a lot of threads aren't popping up on the New Answers page?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, I'd just like to say I'm sorry for that one thread like a week or so ago with the C word in it. I know this sounds weak, but I was really, really tired when I posted that. Like, it was something like 5am and I'd had like three hours of sleep the night before. I know it's no excuse. I really wasn't trying to troll, I was just in such a state that I thought at the time that it made sense somehow. I was really relieved to find that it had (I thought) passed almost entirely without comment. Everyone greeted it with silence, like a smelly fart in a crowded room, and for that I thank you all.

Dan I., Sunday, 13 April 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Just to nail the main self-pitying lie that Calum repeatedly deals in, at no point has ILM considered banning him (or anyone else). Two posters have in the past requested that they *themselves* be banned: one was but has (I'm delighted to say) found other ways to post; the other resumed posting before the ban took effect, and it was set aside.

Posts containing unflagged porn images — and also certain kinds of html tricks and redirects etc — get deleted because their presence directly limits the freedom of other posters (for example, to post from work, or from ancient computers).

I'm sorry you feel so put upon Calum, though I think it's basically your own fault. I think your attention-seeking game — of trying to make ILM more like the rest of the internet — irritated a lot of different kinds of people who like ILM bcz they feel it's a haven from the rest of the net, and they have reacted in an entirely unsurprising "pseudo-liberal" way - they have, after all, heard almost everything you have to say a hundred times before, often said more amusingly. Other people think you're a comical nitwit, others just ignore you and get on with their own discussions. Possibly it's true that the only way you'll ever be paid much attention is by repeat-posting the same shrill joke over and over and over again, and thus avoiding the pitfalls of attempted originality or insight — this seems a bit sad and unambitious on your part, but like you say, you're you.

Full as they are of funny and smart ppl, these boards are also in fact open to the repressed, the lonely, the shy, the battered, the ugly, the old, the not-very-bright, the uncool (ie, to all of us, at certain times) — if this fact is upsetting to you, well, the limits of your own liberalism are actually stamped all over your behaviour. If ppl who choose to participate in reasonably open discussion groups are genuinely interested in open discussion, and not simply in the reactive or bullying mockery of all who faintly differ from them (including those who lack their sometimes ungrounded self-confidence in the sound of their own voice and the novelty of their seemingly endless conventional opinions), such ppl should probably also learn ways of listening out for how THEY THEMSELVES might be chilling or halting the more unusual bits of the discussion, driving people away before they've ever heard what they had to say.

The only thing you and I have actually argued about that I recall is sexuality, about which I — being very old and jaded and unchoosy — know a lot, and you — being young and still overtly frightened and pompous — know very little. I stopped bothering arguing with you about it because I realised all I would get back from you was lame stuff you'd read and liked the sound of — that it was a lot too early for you to have learnt how to be genuinely honest or open about this kind of stuff, with yourself above all. Also you're unusually bad at reading other people's posts accurately, let alone thoughtfully.

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

burn!

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - again I think the problem has more to do with how unfunny said threads (which seem to have dissipated or become unnoticeable) were more than they're offensiveness, though the one may be tied into the other.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

But Mark old boy there go these assumptions again! If you knew me you'd know I'm very comfortable with all issues of sexuality! I just kinda see these mad things as a bit of a laugh, and why not, but hey as such a sex guru how can I argue with ya? Young and frightened? Not me. But, hey, whatever you want to believe old God of sex! I worship ye! Bow! Bow!

Calum, Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum, you especially know that what you wrote in your last two posts is bullshit. Just stop it.

Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham, of course it is bullshit but I don't think Calum thinks that at all. How many times have you heard people say "I'm not racist but" and how many times have they gone on to say something undoubtedly racist? They seem to me to go together almost inevitably. I've not seen anything to suggest Calum is at all racist - I am trying to say that there are an awful lot of misogynists and homophobes who would deny being anything of the sort. This "it's just a joke" excuse may have been discredited years, maybe decades ago, in most thinking circles, but clearly that's not where Calum exists.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I think the people you refer to are either in denial or just insecure. They don't want to be seen as racists, and they probably don't want to think of themselves as racist, but they know as well as anyone else that they probably are.

Calum knows exactly what he's doing, and he may be trying to hide it as "just a joke", or a challenge to pseudo liberals, but he knows also that he's just being an annoying twat.

Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

He may know that he is being an annoying twat - that is very hard to miss - but I am inclined to believe that he really thinks he is not sexist, for instance. Still, we are both just guessing. I think for me it seems more sensible to deal with Calum as if he is at least being truthful when he paints himself as being truthful, whether he is or not. The problem finally isn't whether Calum thinks he is an immature misogynist twat, the problem is that he is an immature misogynist twat.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is Martin I wouldn't assume anything about you. If I were I'd have to conclude you are an arrogant little fat nobody who would benefit greatly from being hit by a bus.

But again, I stress, you really should take a long hard look at your record collection. If in the weird world of ILM a thread about Missy Elliot's gynaecologist is perceived as sexist I think you need to put a lot of your CDs in the bin. Don't you know that rock and roll is sexist and most male rock stars are (sssh, whisper this) in it for the carnal pleasures?

And this immature twat is probably 100 times more well read than you are.

Calum, Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

whatta bore

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

given Mr. Skidmore's contributions to the more bookish threads on ILE, Calum, I'd guess you're frankly not entirely on the money there.

thom west (thom w), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is getting a bit long and unwieldy (not to mention off-topic), so i'm starting a new moderator thread and locking this one

if you want to continue this discussion on a separate thread, by my guest: don't put it on the new moderator thread, if you don't mind

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

CALUM, YOU'RE A DICK.


[lock it now, mark s, now].

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

RJG - YOU ARE A BIG HAIRY SCROTUM

Calum, Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

always quoting Mailer

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.disturbingauctions.com/view.php?item=11

ron (ron), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

We really should lock this, now that there is a new one, so I will. I'll resist the temptation to get a final dig in at Calum.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)


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