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extending from the Shall I buy an iPod thread...

What kind of headphones do you use with your portable and not so portable stereo equipment?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I have these:
http://www.interstage.dk/Sider/Produkter/Varegrupper/200/266-000/266-220-1.jpg
Sennheiser HD25, comfortable, compact, good sound quality, replaceable components, although in 4 years I've only had to replace the ear pads.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Good question. I want to buy me some (vaguely affordable?) audiophile-quality headphones for my iPod.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking for some `phone that are less intrusive/damaging to those of us with tinnittus, but that still produce decent sound quality. The obvious answer is that I shouldn't use headphones at all, but then again...smokers should stop smoking and alcoholics should stop drinking and junkies should stop using, etc. etc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

At least for Home use, the Grado Labs SR-60 are my favorite...

Grado Labs website.

I've gotten complaints from my officemate that he can easily hear what's blasting through the phones if it's too loud, otherwise, (then again, I do often play music too loud in my headphones and should lower the volume). Otherwise, I'd recommend what Ed recommends, or a decent Sony pair.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

best thing about mine, is even on loudest volumes no one else can hear.
worst thing the high impedance means that that I can't crank the volume as high as I'd like with my iPod, probably saving my hearing though.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a pair of Koss Portapros last year on the recommendation of someone here on ILX and whenever this topic comes up I always have to mention them again, because they're really great. Their looks are really deceiving, they look like a pair of $5 throwaway headphones from the 80's or something, but the sound, including the bass, is really very good. And they're cheap, too. I got mine for $40, I think.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

My audiophile next door neighbor was singing the praises of Koss too.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Philips Clarity XL are what I use, probably the best you'll get on a budget.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

With my MD portable, a pair of Sony EX-71LPs - an ear-canal design with very low leakage and high insulation. Trouble is, one of the three differently-sized pairs of supplied silicone earbuds *has* to fit yr lugholes perfectly otherwise you don't get correct bass response. Hence, wildly different reviews all over the web. They were a replacement for my EX-70LPs (bought in '99), which my missus has commandeered (she did buy me the '71s, tho'), and which I suspect were a bit softer-sounding.

At home, Grado SR-125s (bought in '98) with the larger replacement earpads which *finally* make them comfortable for long-term use as well as stellar sounding. Also, a pair of Sennheiser Vegas (1994) which tend thesedays to get most use as performer headphones when overdubbing - but, to be honest, they're less comfortable than the Grados, duff sounding and very leaky. If I was capable of catching the attention of the staff in Turnkey for more than a millisecond I'd have bought a pair of AKG K66s by now instead.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Last time I looked, the Sony EX-71LPs were discontinued and only available reconditioned (yeach, I think).

Apple are now selling similar looking ones (but, white duh) - see my post on the iPod thread.

Make sure you get lowish impedence ones for an iPod as they don't give out a high signal even on top volume.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In the ear panasonic ones, they were fourteen quid.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Last time I looked, the Sony EX-71LPs were discontinued and only available reconditioned (yeach, I think).

Ugh, indeed. Mind you, you tried mine, which means you've got the lurgy. Or something. I thought the '71s were relatively new. Oh, well.

Of course, the headphones I wear the most are - duh - the ones strapped to my head for 6-7 hours a day at work. Panasonic something-or-other, closed-back, circumaural, fairly rubbish.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Professional/images/product/front_zoom/mdr7506_z.jpg

Granted, they're a bit overkill

ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Shure E2s for noisy commute to work...they block out most external noise and don't play whatever you're listening to for the person in the next seat.

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I trust your earwax, Mike.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I work with a fellow who has been using that Sony model above for probably ten years. Ten years of broadcasting for seven to eight hours a day, and all the putting-on and taking-off of headphones that that implies. So they're certainly durable. I also know people who have been using Koss for 10-20 years.

I hate all the sonys though due to their excessive emphasis on the highs. (Men, in particular those who are past their 20s or have some hearing damage, may like the highs punched up since that's what you lose first.) Sennheisers are less durable (I've probably gone through a set every year or two) but nothing beats their presence.

Tinnitis sufferers, does a certain frequency set exacerbate your condition?

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That big black cord is kind of unsettling.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM threads on this topic:

Best headphones for portable cd player?
Headphones. For walking around in.
Need Decent Headphones (OT?)

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sony EX-71LP seem like they are available but other people have had trouble getting them too. You can get these Sony MDR-EX71SLs, which look similar to the LPs - any good, does anyone know?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, ha ha - come to think of it, mine are EX71SLs after all. Short cord with an extension cable. "Ear gaskets"? How quaint.

The short cable is fine if yr in-line remote is close to yr head (i.e. clipped to a shirt pocket). I've yet to find myself in a situation where using the extension wouldn't just lead to Beanesque fumbling and calamity.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh - so maybe SL just stands for 'short lead' ha ha.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You've just hit on another bugbear of mine - inline remotes. I can never get to grips with them. I think I must take my clothes on and off too much.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I jab connecting wires into my brain. I mock you fleshists.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

For walking-around, I don't think the PortaPros can be beat, esp. at the price. They let in enough sound to keep you from getting run over, but not enough in normal use to be distracting (but I don't live in a big city or ride a bus or anything).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er6i.asp

$150 ear budz?

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
i just got these last month. the sennheiser hd-555s. amazon lowered the price to 115, and omg best 115 i ever spent. though i wish the cord was the snakey coil on the sony i used to have

http://www.avland.co.uk/sennheiser/hd555/hd555.jpg

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I ordered these from Japan:

Audio-Technica ATH-A500
http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/tantan/img1055890466.jpeg
some of the best money I've ever spent.


Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

those are sexy

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

they're gigantic!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

I looked at yours, but I needed closed cans for the office.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

they're really comfy too

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

phil your headphones look the size of a jumbo jet (the biggest thing I could think of!)

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Actually, mine are even bigger!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

I am in the market fr a pair of headphones. how much did they cost, spencer (I have a big head, I could pull them off)? I'm leaning towards porta-pros mind.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

I've been hearing great reports about these... anyone tried them?

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

I highly recommend the site head-fi.org for anyone looking for headphones.

Mine were about $110 shipped (it only took 3 days!). Porta Pros are completely different. The A500s don't actually really clamp onto your head so they're not for walking/running around.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Also, Paul, I haven't heard anything about those. Check head-fi for reviews.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

i'm still loving my porta pros, the bass is fantastic. as is the way they fold up, which always takes people by surprise.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 3 March 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

They're very highly rated, but they do leak a lot of sound.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 March 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

this is topical for me. i bought a pair of sennheiser px100s to use with my ipod only yesterday! they are pretty good i reckon for a cheap portable set. they're collapsible so no breakage in your bag. i got them for $80 AUD. down from $100 for flirting with the sales dude!! go me.

gem (trisk), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

in case non-ilm readers can tell me about noise-cancelling headphones:

noise cancelling headphones

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.headphonereviews.org/

plus what I said on the other thread.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
its that time again

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, of the month?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

oh, there is leakage with the koss portapros:(

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

do you not wear in-ear phones?

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

no, i've never tried those. i have some, er, jvc ones i think. they are big overear things, they're the only ones i've ever had. but they're almost done

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/belfl/Images/TC205_screen.jpg

Especially designed for the ipod. It costs 149 euros. WTF!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

i only use headphones on the tube or train. i'm not sure about those in-ear ones, they look like they might fall out.

i think its important that my fellow drones and commuters don't have to listen to sol hoopii in the morning

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Closed back refers to the cans rather than the band. Normally over the head though

Ed, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

The foldable ones do look good! I need a new pair of headphones, I use my mp3 player mostly at the gym (sometimes on the train) - do you reckon the foldable ones are decent for gym wearing, ie something that keeps slipping down my head as it bounces about would be a total no no!

At the moment I am using headphones that I think cost approx £2, they are starting to make my ear go ouch in terms of frequency and minor shocks, so.

I had some creative headphones that I got with my phone (for some reason) - they were completely noise cancelling and I couldn't hack it, I felt really creeped out...

Sarah, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone have a pair of Porta-Pros that they use in the city/on public transit? I used to have a pair that I loved (lost 'em in a move), but that was for walking around in a small semi-rural college town. How are they suited to loud train rides?

en i see kay, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...
Hey guys, I'm thinking about ordering these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Koss-155540-KSC75-Headphones/dp/B0006B486K

Koss KSC75s - they have great reviews - I'm just concerned that this 'ear clip' thing is a bit strange - I've only ever had cheapo ear buds so I know it can hardly get worse, but would these be okay for running? If anything I fear they might be a bit TOO audiophile because I don't understand half the description :) I'd be using them whilst on treadmill/running outside/on public transport, so like, no home use or anything.

Sarah, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, I don't really like the earclip thing as I'm worried about sound leakage from outside and from the headphone. They seem light enough so should be fine for running.

kv_nol, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

I just don't like the sound of something clipping into my ear! I mean... SURELY it would fall off? Sound leaky is also a thought I spose. Gosh! Someone told me I should just go into a shop and try some headphones, but I so do not like the idea of sharing in other peoples EAR WAX.

Sarah, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

Hi! If u don't like clippy thing I can re-recommend these, which are like, TOTALLY 80's, but sound great and won't fall off or whatever.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Koss-Porta-Pro-Portable-Stereophones/dp/B00001P4ZH

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

Actually if you can stand it Sarah there's a thread on ILM that might help but it's v v audiophile centered. The Porta Pro's come out pretty well of the whole thing but they do suffer from soundleakage. I say stand it not because of ILM but because of length of the thread!

kv_nol, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

I used to have that type of clip on headphones, I think they were sonys. They'll be absolutely fine for running, you have to try really hard to make them fall off, and they're dead comfy, or at least mine were.

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

sennheiser px100 cheap, portable, foldy, comfortable

dan selzer, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm.nsf/root/500155

Good sound, fucking cheap.

S-, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)

I've got cheapish Shure ones (E2 or something?) that I use with an ipod. I find the sound alright. But I wish they were a little louder.

Drooone, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)

for home, i have sennheiser hd580's
http://www.ashrization.com/mt/archives/image/hd580.jpg

and one of these amp dongles.
http://www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/906hornet.jpg

and for portable use, i have shure e4's.

funny farm, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:04 (eighteen years ago)

boss gear dere.

Drooone, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

I could do with some open backs for home use and mixing down, Funny farm's setup is something I am familiar with (although with a dr xinn amp); any other suggestions?

Ed, Thursday, 3 May 2007 05:43 (eighteen years ago)

I have some Shure E2Cs too but they dont get much love. I've taken to reading on the train rather than listening.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 4 May 2007 06:58 (eighteen years ago)

i just realised that i don't own a cd player.

funny farm, Friday, 4 May 2007 07:07 (eighteen years ago)

Hear hear on the sennheiser PX100. Best little headphones I've ever had.

The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 4 May 2007 08:04 (eighteen years ago)

I've got Sennheiser PX200 headphones which i love, they double up as earmuffs in winter.

leigh, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

I've got Grado SR-125s; I've had them since '98 and replaced the pads with the comfy donuts a couple of years ago. Also AKG K-66s for home recording (performer cans) and Sony EX-71s for outdoor use.

Michael Jones, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

I own three CD players.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

I just bought another pair of these:

[Removed Illegal Link]
(AKG K 26)

Which I like very much. They really isolate sound nicely, they are small and light. High end is a little rolled off but bass is very good. I don't like wearing headphones at home at all, so I always need for them to be portable and ready for a run.

Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

oops

http://www.headphone.com/productphotos/large/0020120026_964.jpg

Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

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Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

omg this xchange:

Your work headphones sound quite posh, Michael. For instance, I have mine on now, but I can quite clearly hear the chit-chat from the Girls' Dept. Sonia has had some kind of run-in with a policewoman. It doesn't seem to have involved physical restraint though.

-- PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:04 PM (1 year ago)
It doesn't seem to have involved physical restraint though.
Can you also hear one of your colleagues in the Boys' Dept salivating at the prospect?

The HD202s are hardly posh - £15 tops, I reckon. Nice pads and good isolation. Way too bassy; they turn Bud Flanagan's "Who Do You Think You Are Kidding, Mr Hitler?" into some junglist fantasy.

-- Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:12 PM (1 year ago)

The Boys' Dept have all gone home :-(
I am going too.

-- PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:22 PM (1 year ago)


is hilarious

Surmounter, Monday, 7 May 2007 06:37 (eighteen years ago)

nick where did you get those headphone bookshelf clamp thingys

^@^, Monday, 7 May 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

Update: Sonia has left the company.

They are giving away free Sennheiser PX100s (?) if you subscribe to Uncut this month. (I bought Uncut to suck up to Jerry the Nipper.)

PJ Miller, Monday, 7 May 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

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Did that stop the voiceover/machine-speech madness?

Michael Jones, Monday, 7 May 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

No, it didn't.

Michael Jones, Monday, 7 May 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I just got these:

Beyerdynamic DT 231s:

http://arstechnica.com/images/headphones/dt231-full.jpg

I really *WANTED* to get the Grado SR60s...I did a little research online and also stopped by the Needle Doctor and talked to one of the guys there, and everyone basically said they are the ultimate affordable headphone for the money....

Unfortunately, lots my use of these is for work, either listening to ipod while writing or actually using them for videogame playing in the office, which is real noisy overall so I had to get closed back ones, which most reviewer said tend to be pretty crappy overall except for super expensive studio monitor ones...So these Beyerdynamic ones sound great so far....got some good notices for value online (only $59)...keep out sound pretty well and don't bother my coworkers...I guess the Grados leak sound quite a bit so I had to nix those...

These kick the shit out of the Sony earbuds that I had been using that just konked out.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 14 June 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

no

▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Thursday, 14 June 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

no

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Thursday, 14 June 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone recommend a pair of open backs with a really flat response for mixing down with?

Ed, Friday, 15 June 2007 06:55 (eighteen years ago)

What a fucking great thread.

PJ Miller, Friday, 15 June 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

Does anyone want to rec earbuds? Coworker likes bose triport earbuds but worries that tip attachments may get lost

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

I like the shure ones (I have e2c) and once you figure out which of the foam tips fit best (fuck the rubber ones), you can order a whole batch of them for like $10

mh, Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

hate the idea of tips

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

Catsup:

http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^eb^PLUG

These sound great, are cheap and comfortable, and have an unconditional lifetime warranty. They do block out almost all exterior sound, which bothers some people, but I love them like my children, if I had children..

Oilyrags, Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

jeez, cut and past that url. Stupid BB code.

Oilyrags, Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

these were used, and were surprisingly pretty good, for about 2-3 months until they broke. apparently happens to a LOT of people, where they just start cutting out. then I bought these on the cheap from a website. so far, so good, but I like the tips on the old ones more. Luckily, they're interchangeable!

Will M., Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

I like the shure ones (I have e2c) and once you figure out which of the foam tips fit best (fuck the rubber ones), you can order a whole batch of them for like $10

-- mh, Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:23 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

I have discovered (through desperation after I lost one of my rubber tips) that ordinary foam earplugs work great, and are very comfortable. Cut one in half or so with scissors, and poke a hole through the middle of it (I used a kebab skewer). Then work the stem through the middle of it, and voila. Roll them around in your fingers to put then in your ears, just like earplugs. They may actually block MORE sound, and they're cheap and totally disposable. I change these about once a week.

kenan, Monday, 1 October 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

So I just finally bought real headphones and Oh my god I was thrown by how fantastic songs suddenly sound. Here is a list of songs that sound fantastic that I have listened to in the last day:

Hold Me -Fleetwood Mac
20$/Come Around -M.I.A.
Metric/Jet- Ellen Allien and Apparat
Fiery Crash -Andrew Bird
Watch the Tapes -LCD Soundsystem
Hireklon/Fizheuer Ziheuer/EVERYTHING ON FABRIC LIVE - Ricardo Villalobos
Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush -Don't Give up

Please ignore the above list. It is borne of loser-ey enthusiasm (the purest kind)

And also thankyou to Kenan whose comment on the Villalobos Fabric thread finally kicked me into some action.

I know, right?, Sunday, 7 October 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

good affordable headphones?

sam york, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:29 (sixteen years ago)

requesting suggestions for good cheap headphones

sam york, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

There are a lot of answers above, but how cheap and what are you using them for (home, public transport, work?)?

Alex in SF, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

preferably something under 50 usd that would be ok for studio work.
i could do my own research but i prefer opinions of actual dudes and dudettes
i know there are a lot of answers above, but this thread is 4 years old.

sam york, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

grado sr-60s are great

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:51 (sixteen years ago)

No idea on studio work, sr-60s have a great reputation though and if you don't need to take them outside they should work for you. Currently PX-100s are going for $30 on Amazon which is a very good deal.

Alex in SF, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago)

This thread has more recent comments btw:

Reccommend a pair of headphones for me

Alex in SF, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago)


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