Good Charlotte: Classic or Dud?

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I say Classic!!!

― sweaty guy, Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha if only you guys knew who this really was

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

strangely compelling. i kind of enjoy watching such a head-on collision of mediocrity and ambition as their new album.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. I'm with Jess. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha.

I saw them on this video request channel they were showing at the pub where we last played. If you imagine, say, minor threat as this brand new bar of kid's soap, in a fancy shape, lika a chevrolet corvette or a skateboard or something. Good Charlotte are that same bar of soap after it's been used at bathtime for s.th. like 2 weeks regularly, and it's worn down to this kind of smooth shapeless oval/teardrop thing. I thought they were rubbish.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

alex in NYC to thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

My opinion on Good Charlotte (ultimately sheep in wolves' clothing) has been well documented on other threads. If you like them, I pity you.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anybody see their video, they all show up like punks and scum and being all 'judged for their appierance' bollox. how about them sounding like blink 182? but then they wouldn't be showing on TV if they sounded like Crass would they? their images and what they appier to be seem sooo remotely disconnected.

― rexJr., Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

to sum it up:
looking Punkah and sounding nerdy - dud
looking nerdy and sounding Punkah - CLASSIC

― rexJr., Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

they are all experts at putting their hands close to the camera for a fish-eye effect.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The video for "lifestyles of the rich and famous" had Chris Kirkpatrik out of 'Nsync in it. For that alone, they are classic.

― cis (cis), Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

No, they aren't. Even if the video featured a live crucifixion shot of Justin Timberlake, they wouldn't be classic.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

their images and what they appier to be seem sooo remotely disconnected.

On that note, it should be noted that the band has just re-released its eponymous debut from 2000.

The original cover:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004YC1G.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The re-released cover:

http://images.bestbuy.com/mimages/music/1107/11075896.jpg

Notice anything different? The photo of the boys looking more like less "credibly Punk" has been excised in favor of simply the logo.

Revisionism anyone?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The photo of the boys looking more like less "credibly Punk" has been excised....

Me talk right one day. That should've read: The photo of the boys co-opting the Lit/Sugar ray vibe (as opposed to their current Varukers/GBH vibe) has been excised.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

And fuck you too Guns N' Roses!

― Alex in NYC (SF) (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't do that.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Changing covers = massive conspiracy to fool punk kids in yr world yes, Alex?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

For whoever didn't see it when I posted it on another thread, here's Robert Christgau offering his Good Charlotte opinion in the *Village Voice* show-preview-listings section, a couple weeks ago: "Quite possibly the most hated pop punk band in history, and for what? Some authenticity standard that's a lot dumber than they are. They tailor their big sound to the ordinary kids who need it. Their tunes are accessible, their lyrics direct, their expressions of anger and alienation apt and experienced. Give them a fucking chance."

I don't really have a Good Charlotte opinion myself anymore, but I do gotta say it's annoying how EASY a target they're becoming. All the people whining about how they're not a "real" punk band make me WANT to like them. More people seem to complain about their haircuts than their music. So maybe I'll even make Anthony Miccio happy one of these days, and go back and listen to my kid's copy of the record.

― chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

go back and listen to my kid's copy of the record.

A sly little dig right there, if you want to interpret it that way.

Their music sucks, by the way....regardless of what they wear.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I know lots of little kids that like them. Is there something automatically bad about music kids like? I'd say there's something automatically good about music kids like, but whatever. "Anthem" is really good, the other song was pretty dumb.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there something automatically bad about music kids like?

They don't know any better and have lower standards.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

>>Is there something automatically bad about music kids like?
They don't know any better and have lower standards.<<

Horseshit. And the Moody Blues were better than "Sugar Sugar," right?

― chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

And the Moody Blues were better than "Sugar Sugar," right?

Depends on which track.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The first record I bought was Iron Maiden; I guess you're right.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

My first record was Iron Maiden too. Powerslave?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Kids" = too broad a term. What age group are we really talking about? Toddlers? Pre-teens? Teens? Late-adolescents?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My first record was Dressed to Kill by Kiss. Still listen to it today.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Iron Maiden???? Wow, maybe kids have worse taste than I thought.

And *Dressed to Kill* basically IS an Archies record, for crissakes (even if they should've broken up after their debut album, where they used up almost all of their memorable riffs.)

― chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

dude
the reason i hate good charolette has NOTHING to do with PUNK and EVERYTHING to do with the way they SOUND.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

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― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was a kid I loved Sebadoh. QED.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

and my first record was liscense to ill

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ SONIC JESUS likes Good Charlotte?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, you're worrying me with your Archies fixation.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

haha read harder alex (in sf)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"My first record was Iron Maiden too. Powerslave?"

Number of the Beast. I'm pretty sure my second one was "License to Ill".

― Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

my second record was dare to be stupid

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You're all so young!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, i neglected to mention i was 33 then.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Crud Charlotte.

I dont care about all this 4real punXor nonsense. I just don't think they're a very good pop band.

However. I would like to see them on the streets where I hope they wouldn't last a week.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that Mike Watt appeard in the video for "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" depresses me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike Watt's performance in front of the Savage Republic reunion show in November was depressing, too.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

If you've read any of my posts, you might expect me to fall hard on GC, but I won't. They are from Waldorf, Md. a completely depressing place chocked full of strip malls, malls and created communities. They are lucky they formed a band instead of hanging out behind the 7-11 smoking blunts laced with pcp.
They NEVER had any interest in being anything but a major label act, they wanted to make videos, sell a million and be on TRL. They are as punk as my grandmother's doll collection but they managed to do everything they wanted and they keep tattoo artists in business. The twins also bought their mom a house.
Who are they hurting?

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Friday, 9 May 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Charlotte is yet another band off the pseudo-pop punk (you can pretty much remove the term 'punk' though, as it's not even remotely a representation of that genre) assembly line...corny songwriting, whiny boy vocals...haven't we heard this before?

And didn't we not care then?

they suck.

― Rob DelMedico, Friday, 9 May 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, people, stop blaming the kids. I'm younger than, like 90% of this thread, and you don't see me listening to Good Charlotte. Meanwhile, my ex-boyfriend, FDNY, was like 32 and fucking loved Good Charlotte.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, if I'm reading jess right, starting threads to argue with yourself is SO GAY. I mean, I wouldn't even do that when I was at my most bored, c'mon.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

dud!

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe it's Alex in NYC's pre-teen son who started this THREAD!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars/rotj2.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

but which is the dark side?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

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Yo, the more kids that drink, the better. I've had enough of straight edge fuxors.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, now that you mention it, somebody tight-assed enough to say "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend" probably should be given something to calm him down.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Round of beer, anyone?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes fuckin' please.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll have two please, so chuck and I can peacefully agree on how the Misfits are completely overrated.

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

i heard that girls like cars and money song last night at a friends on mtv, you know what? its kinda great

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

g.c. < oizone

― kieron, Sunday, 15 June 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess they're pushing the videos for "Girls And Boys" and "Young & The Hopeless" at the exact same time I guess. Fine with me. Both might make my top ten singles of the year, and the latter might top it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

God help us all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

alex you wrote the goings on about town entry for gc this week didn't you? brilliant work, my friend!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 17 October 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

though I haven't read it, I'll just say "fuck you" in advance.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/goingson/nightlife/

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 17 October 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It's half right (I agree with the second sentence). So let me change that "fuck you" to simply "...you."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

they fucking rock i dunno about the ppl that say suck u guys can go f ur selfs ok lol

peace

― lor, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

They suck.

― Leelee, Saturday, 27 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, they do.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Their newest single sounds like the Backstreet Boys. The fact that I like it a lot makes me wonder how much I really hated Good Charlotte and the Backstreet Boys to begin with.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Dud!

― Pekka, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

heir newest single sounds like the Backstreet Boys

How is it then different from their other singles?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Duddd. "Authenticity" doesn't even come into it: just horrid songwriting, period. That please-don't-kill-yourself song makes "Everybody Hurts" sound like "Rock'n'Roll Suicide" (which it does anyway, I guess).

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate their whiny vocals.

― Leelee, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hold On", replete with interview clips from "real" suicide "survivors". So tastelessly manipulative that it's offensive, and not in a good way either.

Dud, dud, dud.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 27 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

hardcore punk has been dead for 20 years. green day-style bubblegum punk has been dead for 10 years. how is "reviving" either style NOT inherently rockist? to put it another way, how is reviving ANY dead style to pick at its bones (for fun, profit, or otherwise) somehow a "pop" move?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 28 November 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pochettescd.free.fr/images/l/LouBegaFront.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 28 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

But he was only a one hit wonder and doesn't count. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh Good Charlotte have had some good moments but I've only heard singles and for the most part what I've liked about them I can't imagine were replicated in album form. Basically, I liked their songs in the mix of everything else I listen to on pop radio which is mostly towards the h-h end of things so it sort of threw in a sudden curveball which was good.

But yeah...I can't believe Chuck Eddy likes third eye blind. I mean, maybe everyone here is used to hearing Chuck wax on about bands that "omigod, i can't believe he likes that!" but this goes beyond idiosyncratic and I want to be a rebel to the canon and everything too but jesus 3rd Eye Blind is dreadful. And I'm not saying this from any rockist part of my heart I promise you. The melodies are just so putrid and the songs themselves are so bland and disgusting and revolting ARGERSFDLFJDS. Will there be a point where I won't find myself flipping out about Chuck's taste? Cuz I keep thinking I've reached that point and then in comes another artist from out of left field.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 28 November 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I suppose this kind of post pleases him.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 28 November 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Third Eye Blind isn't nearly as bad as all that, Deej. "Semi-Charmed Life" is a truly great song. The other singles from the first album were pretty OK, too--"Jumper," "How's it Going to Be," "Losing a Whole Year," not bad.

I like Good Charlotte a lot more than I used to. I'm a sucker for "Predictable," and the new one sounds pretty good too. I guess once I stopped caring about the "morality" of Good Charlotte or whatever, I started liking the music way more.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

So how come nobody (including Anthony Frigging Miccio) ever told me how much I would like "I Just Wanna Live"??? I remember hearing it on the rentacar radio a couple times over the winter, and had no idea who it was -- just wondered what teen-poppers was doing a song with the push and soul falsetto of *NySync's "Bye Bye Bye" plus guitar riffs from "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and then forgot about it a couple minutes later. But now I get *Now That's What I Call Music! #18* in the mail (good album - I also really like the Lenny Kravitz track, bizarrely, and I don't hate Three Days Grace or Hoobastank as much as I thought I would), and turns out "I Just Wanna Live" is by Good Charlotte! What the hell? This is their best song ever, right?

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

..what teen-poppers WERE dong a song with the push and soul falsetto of *NSYNC's...(jeez)

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

"I Just wanna Live" is an alltime OMG! LOL! WTF! classic. I think this was noted previously.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I put the track on Stylus' MP3 blog before it was a single and mentioned it plenty in my Stylus review and on my site. Didn't bother sending you a personal frigging e-mail because you underrate their last album work due to the whine, which remains.

It's definitely there most "pop" great song.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

their most. argh.

anyhow, my review of Chronicles Of Life & Death. It's a disappointment but there's enough quality tracks that I don't think they've totally lost what makes them great. As those who can read can see, I agree with xgau's take that they've lost all the specifics from the last album, but I still enjoy their harmonies and (dare i say) earnestness. I hope "Mountain" is the next single. It's sweet.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

their last. typos are my burden.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

ok I just woke up.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.pagesix.com/files/gallery/022508_pris_benji2.jpg

Ahhhhh, the sweet smell of hypocrisy.

― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, it is kind of hypocritical how the guy who always rails against vapid modern celebrity culture is now informing me about who Paris is dating.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)

Is it my fault that this picture was in the New York Post I happened to be reading? Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous indeed.

You shame the name Alex.

― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)

So wait, how is it hypocrisy for one of the Maddens to date Paris after the other knocked up Nicole? Or is the hypocrisy that you feel that in light of past Paris/Nicole rifts that this is disloyal? I need to know where you stand, man.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 17:59 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

FYI: the Madden Brothers are currently doing an acoustic set in the middle of an Australian cricket match on Australia Day.

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 26 January 2013 10:21 (thirteen years ago)

?????

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 January 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

It's all part of this terrific marketing campaign for a major fast food chain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUOVvDlQ2U4

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:08 (thirteen years ago)

dudes have always been big there. hell, their last album, which i couldn't even bother listening to after hearing the single, went gold, with that single going top ten.

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:12 (thirteen years ago)

They're so popular that Joel is moving to Australia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X08fRT25rDk

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

i remember reading something back during my gossip blogger days that there was strife in the madden/richie family because he was committed to exploring the gold in thar hills (he's a voice australia judge iirc) while nicole richie had no fucking desire to move down under

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:20 (thirteen years ago)

ok so apparently the australian voice panel is joel, seal, delta goodrem and until this season, keith urban. replacing keith in 2013...ricky martin

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:21 (thirteen years ago)

Yep, Joel was a judge on The Voice Australia with Seal and Keith Urban (who got a promotion to American Idol and will now be replaced with...Ricky Martin) because...well, I have no fucking clue, all I know is every commercial break on television these days has 'I'm selling fried chicken or mobile phone coverage.

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1WCT9W11Ok

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:29 (thirteen years ago)

Anyway, LAWN BOWLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIX27v5SmgY

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

I salute them for surviving these tough times

http://www.theonion.com/articles/good-charlotte-recording-10-new-songs-to-be-played,35797/

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:19 (eleven years ago)

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