is "the man who sold the world" the greatest Bowie rekkid EVAH?

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a few interesting things that could arise out of "discuss : the man w.s.t.w."

so why another [my] thread saying [my favourite] album is [the best !!!] more than interesting ?

there's an archive of questions about bowie -- why not revive, regurgitate and re-flavour one of the many discussion already available and take it in the [my] favourite direction ?

(computers get used for looking up old bits of text so you don't waste all day re-stating what others have said or what you've said -- they're actually used in the real world for this type of data archiving a lot and have proved to be efficient and useful -- a lot of wasted human time has been avoided by using computers to avoid repetition of text that carries the same information, simply by using the archives efficiently)

why drop what we were doing and hotly debate what has been hotly debated so many times before ? just so there can be a thread [with my name on it] asserting that such'n'such [my favourite] album by whomever is not just interesting [but THE BEST !!!] ?

wouldn't it be more interesting to discuss something interesting about said musician ? or a "what's the best album of his ?" thread if for some reason you only want to be exposed to the best ?

all this "no, XCVB is better" or "yeah, but song dfg sucks" or "i've got the whole collection so i know best, i rule, i rock, ..." or "i've got the gatefold, nah nah ne nah nah" -- it's all a bit puerile isn't it ? stuff for school pencil cases ?

how about the bowie newsgroup ?!? i bet there's a guru there who might actually know which is "the best bowie album" -- why not ask those people ? they love to talk about david bowie all day and all their threads are related to david bowie in some way ! actually, google archives all newsgroups (computers are so useful for cutting out wasted space and time when otherwise the same question might get asked fifty times, with all the same answers having to be given again and again)

why not use this computer forum this way ?

someone once called me a 'net-nanny', which is more of a favourite thing to be called than a 'newbie' -- i think that it's just that i get bored with some repetition, often from people who're always re-inventing the wheel, set up lot's of other threads with questions that have already been asked and that already have plenty of answers right there in the archives

actually david bowie has a song called 'repetition', and it's on lodger, so maybe href="http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=2160735">this is the best thread ? or aren't i using my computer correctly ?

(sorry if i've wasted your time and screen space)

here's an href="http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=3622835">example of a gradual move away from the subject of the thread to finally [me playing my usual] "stupid games" -- i'm still waiting for someone to go through any of those late zappa records track by track -- apparently some ilm-ers found this thread amusing the way it spun off (and i still owe julio and mark s an answer on the "braxton on beefheart" item -- i'll try and post that later today)

i particularly dislike being called by my last name, eg. "gosset is always doing this ..", the sort of tone and lazy logic that does remind me of high school a lot (where, perhaps needless to say, i had lots of 'disagreements' with people about politics, religion, ethics, computer programming norms, athletics and music)

anyway, here i am on href="http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=3367431">yet another david bowie thread
repeating that humble plea that ilm users use the archives rather than generating endless threads (as explained above) -- this sort of semi-autistic pendatry is the behaviour of a "net nanny", accorind to Tad who says as much there (if you can be bothered reading that thread)

so .. here is my ground out "attempt at diligent semi-formal explanation of reasons to point people in the direction of searches and old threads"
---- possibly quite boring reading ----

~~~~(skip it if you can imagine what my fleshed out reasons might be -- my idealistic dream image of an information repository of opinion galore on musics i hate <---> music i love, that's opinion with some reasoning, something of interest to say about the music, maybe something new or a joke on common knowledge or maybe the original blues song from which the chords were stolen .. something ..)

~~~~(or read it and tell me where i've gone astray)

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i hate repeating that message, so why do i do it ? well, what's so good about this discussion forum ? i say hyperlinks (eg qua footnotes to what someone else has written in ilm or elsewhere) -- hyperlinks are what makes the web "go round", such a valuable collaborative research tool -- it's gratifying to remember that it was it was developed with just that often non-commercial purpose in mind
and using the web in it's least time-wasting, most valuable information-rich incarnation, that's building on the body of knowledge /opinion already within a system like ILM, sharing ideas, agreeing or disagreeing with what's there, but crucially, augmenting what we already know or can search on -- i'd love ilm to evolve into an artificial intelligence information repository
what's important for me is that the diversity of opinion is repected -- disagreeing is as ok as agreeing with what's gone before, but they are the opinions with the "WHY ? part" attached that are really augemnting what already exists

so, as to David Bowie's best album by this criteria, by that criteria,.. can you go past the newsgroup ? (amoungst other resources like local ilm opinion -- opinion from people you've grown to know in some ways, people you may share likes and dislikes with -- well, why replicate a newsgroup when it'd be faster and easier for everyone to simply link to the appropriate piece of knowledge ? why not have both ilm and whatever else the web can produce (eg AMG) ?
ok, but why are there so many threads on the same topic ? it's devaluing the relative value of the wisdom of your ilm friends if everybody does a thread defending their favourite david bowie album .. and it's just so much more similar looking info to drag oneself through to get the answer .. so "Bowie's best album" -- one thread ! (cf: Lodger has this special things a,b and c happening on it, a whole other anecdote, a thread ? maybe, but "this one is best", that language takes us back to square one)

i know i'm not telling most readers anything they don't know and quite possibly am pedantically ruminating on the sucking of eggs, but every so often i feel it's just my duty to lobby or campaign or argue for use of this system (and of the 'net in general) which produces the best results, the most friction-free information, the most o.t.m. search results, the whole wide spread of opinion on some matter, as embodied in those reasons for the various opinions

and this is just _my_ _idea_ of what eliminates the log jams, keeps the latest threads intriguing and worth clicking, keeps the conversation going on all those different planes ..

Tad has a different idea about it -- ok .. reasons ? maybe it would be worth having a thread on this -- everyone thinks differently -- are information efficient utopias just a gleam in the eye of dedicated computer devotees like myself ? an ADMIN thread, a netiquette treaty, .. let consensus in all it's diversity blurt from all the loudspeakers ..
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and so, correct me when i'm wrong -- don't humour me -- am i an a**e*o*e ? a pesky useless "portal" of no useful input value? an unpleasant smelly waste opening ?
it's just i don't find Tad's words or his reasons convincing, and it's all bordering on thuggery, pidgeonholing and bad manners, lack of repect for others -- that's what these replies end up feeling like

i'd like to think i have some things of value to ilm-ers (eg in this thread, does the man who sold the world contain any embedded songs like Hunky Dorys 'Life on Mars', songs with hinting at the imminent invasion ?)

(don't all reply at once)

i don't really care what you think of me, my threads, my posts, or whatever. i do care, however, when you derail threads because of that reason. that's not just rude, it borders on being psychotic. and i know that i'm not the only one who feels this way. and while i'm generally pretty laissez-faire, i'm also really beginning to wonder why the moderators permit this sort of thing.

and
yet another david bowie thread

"that's not just rude, it borders on being psychotic"
what ? me asking the above ? me pointing to all these threads that either contain answers or could easily be reactivated ?

it's not derailing, it's
firstly,
1) augmenting the thread with extra information, ie all those pointers to the threads already containing information
then
2) explanation, including extra david bowie ideas and the complaint (overlapping what bothers nestmanso)
then
3) replying to your a**e*o*e remark, explaining in detail how you and i got to this point to anyone who happens to notice you blandly used that word a**e*o*e

and now, well it's more old rope isn't it ? ways of using ilm, standards of courtesy, they're matters for moderators to participate in the discussion of, sure, but what, blank out ? i guess you might want to retract the a**e*o*e remark ..

as another poster mentioned, do you read what i've written ? (you have ? and i just haven't "earned" enough "respect" _from_ _you_ to deserve a reply ? reply "at your convenience" ?)

do you really expect to call anybody here an a**e*o*e and not get a reply ? (i spell it 'arse', in case you're wondering)

so... what about the unresolved guitar harmony (on the third of the four notes of the guitar motif) of "Width of a Circle" ? why not drop to the IV and V, even if just once of twice ? the circle kept on a revolving effect, is it ?

and are there martian under-currents (a la "life on Mars" on Hunky) secreted somehwere on Man who sold [out] the earth [to some rock'n'roll androganids from mars] ? amd was angie bowie from venus ?

oh, dz, am i mad ? (i don't really care if you'd rather stay out of the above spat, but how far is too far ? word ?)

I'm not sure there's a bad track on this. Maybe Running Gun Blues is the worst song, but I still dig it.

After all is dope

Well

The new Visconti mix of The Man Who Sold The World is.. completely amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgP-ueP_DTk

It was mentioned in the Reissues thread but I guess it went unnoticed?

they made the right call the first time on the cover/album title

new mix sounds really good, reminds me a bit of those beatles remixes

A timely reissue (President Joe once had a dream)..

The new mix is very interesting and mostly amazing. Vox maybe a bit too centralised, some weird drum fill additions/adaptations but overall it seriously rocks
"Black Country Rock" is even more Bolanised, I laughed so hard when I heard the new ending. The only real disappointment for me is the title track, Visconti botched that one imo

urghgh I kind of felt like the sound was made of cardboard