Received Wisdom: Albums generally regarded as great masterworks that you found to be actually be horrid crap...

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Continuing where this thread leaves off...

I say...

Joni Mitchell - Blue
More like Bleh!

Beatles - White Album
The most overrated record by the most overrated band.

Moby - Everything is Wrong
Only gets interesting in the last two tracks

Squeeze - Singles 45 and Under
Sounds like a disjointed sampler of 4 or five different confused bands. And has a ghastly album cover.

Okay... your turn.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Moby - Everything is Wrong

OH MY GOD WON'T SOMEONE LOVE ME!!!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Astral Weeks" - I can see why it's good and everything, but it just GETS ON MY FUCKING NERVES.

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, I was about to say Moondance, mainly because it looks so silly compared to Astral Weeks.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

oooh yeah. forgot about Astral Weeks. Totally nowhere as good as his following five albums or so. Moondance is GREAT!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, Kenan...
(*pats him on his head. gives him a cookie*)
We all love you. Now...you can go outside and play.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

sadly i predict this thread will far outpace its forefather

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

allow me to briefly reiterate my feelings about Guided by Voices. thank you.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(*officially notes M Matos's assertion for the record*)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, yeah Custos there was really lots of doubt and we need to set it straight "for the record"!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i second gbv. throw in built to spill, sigur ros, wilco, and godspeed you black emperor! and you've got a royal flush of critically-acclaimed shit.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, you know how the critics have been praising GBV over the last ten years. all those 6 out of 10s and everything...

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you've never lived in Seattle, Anthony. shut up.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

London Calling
Television
Tommy
Ogden's Nut Flake Gone
The Germs
Anything by the Pixies.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

rumor has it that State College, PA has a college radio station -- and that GBV records have been played quite often thereupon.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

6s instead of 2s and 3s = overrated enough for me

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, and god knows every album played on college radio is generally regarded as a great masterwork. But hey, I've never lived in Seattle.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also...
merely listing an album is vague...explain why you think the record is weaker than Kenny G's herbal tea bag.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Streets - Original Pirate Material

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

what if you think everything by a critically-acclaimed artist -- not just an album or two -- is absolute crap?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

What, like Bob Dylan?

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

see my first post above

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What, like Bob Dylan?

speak of the devil ...

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha sorry Custos but it takes a lot of effort to come up with stunning insights like "bleh" and "overrated". Frankly, I just can't expend the energy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never really gotten why Bitche's Brew gets rated so much more than other electric Miles.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Me neither actually.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Especially since Get Up With it is so godly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It's longer.

In a Silent Way is far more wonderful.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

well, instead of "bleh" you could "eeeccch!"
and instead of "overrated" you could say "dug only by posuers" or something...

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Astral Weeks means you hate fun.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Or that you like little girls and trannies.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

sigur ros and gybe! -- noisily turgid, pretentious crap. plus jonsi sings like a porpoise being castrated by a shark.

wilco -- fourth-generation roots-rock with brian wilsonesque production values = pouring syrup on shit & calling it pancakes.

built to spill -- he who comes from a state best known for potatoes will make music that sounds like soggy potatoes. not to mention that i prefer my guitar-wank to be done with little more pizzazz.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitches Brew came first, no doubt the reason..

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

no, In a Silent Way was first. and most of the pre-retirement stuff that came after was better than Brew.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i love astral weeks, btw.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post but still: who doesn't like little girls and trannies fer chrissakes?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is old and boring.

I may of course mention "Never Mind The Bollocks" and "Trout Mask Replica", but I think I already did in another thread half a year ago...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't call Springsteen's The River "horrid crap" or anything, but I will say my favorite review of it was when Nelson George said it "sounded like oatmeal."

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, more :
The Stone Roses first album - pub rock-esque Byrds ripoffs fronted by an orangutan.
Patti Smith - Horses - seemed profound at the time (i.e. when I was 18), now sounds like bad bad poetry played by Billy Joel's backing band.

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't HAVE TO choose between Astral Weeks and Moondance, you know.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ten "cannonical" albums that are closer to dud than classic.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

but think of all those critically acclaimed albums with no nice harmonies and melodies, geir! not just the pistols and beefheart, but public enemy!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos - In a Silent Way was the first what? Miles album with electric instruments? Nope.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"...my favorite review of it was when Nelson George said it "sounded like oatmeal."
Let that be a lesson to you...Don't write album reviews on an empty stomach.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The Stone Roses first album - pub rock-esque Byrds ripoffs fronted by an orangutan.

ergo, the stones roses = the british wilco!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah Keith, but i'd take St. Dominic Preview, Tupelo Honey, It's Too Late To Stop Now, Moondance and that other one over Astral Weeks too.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i concede that Pearl Jam owns this thread. does anyone besides music critics and grungesters pining the fjords of their youth still give a fuck about them?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just going to ask YOU what YOU meant by "first," actually, because Brew definitely wasn't it, whatever "it" was. ("electric instruments"? no shit, Sherlock.)

big big big second to The Stone Roses, which may well own this thread

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

astral weeks is where van morrison was at his most sonically daring -- switching up his usual guru-blooz schtick for a change. he never got that good, IMHO.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

and GOD YES to Wilco.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

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You could go on all night saying, "But is it really better than..." and probably eventually make someone see it your way - haha, debating pet sounds vs. "I get around" with e6 guys = a fool's errand

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

As was NYC Ghosts &Flowers.

Can open, worms everywhere. Just so you know, broheems, I'm with you on this one.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

But "I don't like Pet Sounds" is indefensible.

This is equivalent to saying "But 'I don't like strawberries' is indefensible."

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I call bullshit on that, Kenan.

Ok, let's just say that I'd be having none of it.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a kind of a joke, anyway... of course nothing is truly indefensible. Perverse, maybe.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

'I don't like strawberries' is indefensible!!!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad I wasn't here when White Light/White Heat was called "boring".

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's not the adjective that leaps to mind, is it?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

'I don't like strawberries' is indefensible!!!

I'm allergic to strawberries. As a result, I find that I do not like them.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Defend this statement: "I don't like sunshine, and cool clean water just pisses me off."

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, if you're a vampire with poor regard for hygene, it's perfectly reasonable.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

If Pet Sounds included "Help Me Ronda" and "Please Let Me Wonder" and "Let Him Run Wild" and "Girl Don't Tell Me," it really would be the greatest album of all time.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

But it doesn't so it isn't and it wouldn't necessarily be anyway blah blah everything I've ever said about radical subjectivism ever to thread I like them better after Pet Sounds anyway blah.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear Dave C.:

You are the antichrist.

Luv XOXOXOXOXOXO
Nate

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, this whole thing is stupid. Even the two albums I came out and talked shit about aren't even that bad. This whole thread epitomizes everything I hate about ILM (at least now that Momus has posted).

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I really don't like sunshine. It hurts my head.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Goth.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

that's my answer to this thread title, Kenan--Goth! all of it!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sloth.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Even the Wu Tang Clan, Matos?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

no, Alex, not the Wu Tang Clan

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

vampires /= monks

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The Penman on Zappa - alot of fun even though i have heard barely a note of Zappa.

http://www.thewire.co.uk/archive/essays/zappa.html

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

this is wank. astral weeks is amazing, so is jm blue. yes call me a hippie dullard. *care*

― P.Penn, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, i really like dark side of the moon :(

― Heidi (Heidi), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, we all do. Some of us won't admit it, though.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I will!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks. i feel so much better

― Heidi (Heidi), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll tell you who sucks... roger waters with gilmour, mason, and wright........ great lyricist, really bad performer

― Heidi (Heidi), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

don't you mean without?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

She must, but still, this is where I draw the line. The Wall is barely tolerable as it is, but Waters solo is like... I dunno. I imagine him doomed by some Greek god to sit in a corner and cry about himself, like a 15-year-old, for all eternity. His body will grow old and dessicated, and eventually he will turn into a grasshopper, but still he will only be able to feel self-pity and juvenile, unenlightened weltschmertz. What a terrible curse.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

miccio hates EATB!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Bruce Springsteen: Everything. The voice that sounds as if it could possibly be cured by a purgative. The songs that are the American '60s blenderized and extruded. The lyrics that sweep meaning before them like a bulldozer. The band that would be most at home playing incidental music on a late-night chat show. His exemplifying New Jersey, which speaks for itself. He is, of course, commendable politically, uh-huh. So maybe he should run for office and reserve the music for $1000-a-plate fundraisers.

― Secaucus (Methuselah), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, Secaucus, I feel exactly the same way some days. But then I eat a meal and have a drink, and I think, wait a second! This stuff is great!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Marriane Faithful's 'Broken English'

― cnwb (cnwb), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Astonishing. I think it's finally happened, after all these years. The Grateful Dead have been declared overrated pompous wimpy stoned-blind hippie-hugging rootless-roots stuck-in-'60s-shit SO OFTEN that they have actually been erased from the comprehensive hataz canon. Time for a revival.

― Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Secaucus, have you heard Nebraska? What did you think?

Yow dock, I hate on that Dead junk as many chances as I get. Good thing that fat fuck won't be making any more of it. See here- "can fat people rock" Can FAT people rock?

― sucka (sucka), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 08:10 (twenty-two years ago)

is there still actually a non-boring way to hate the grateful dead?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, for their appalling dress sense in the eighties.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

okay you bastards
Exile isn't 'blah' at all
just overrated

and no I haven't
given it the 'I'm drunk' test
and I won't until

y'all eat pixie stix
(15 or so) and put on
Pizzicato Five

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

or for those stupid puppets they used in the "touch of grey" video

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'm the opposite of a deadhead. i ONLY like their studio albums. can't stand a lot of the live stuff. the good studio albums, that is. and they had some really good ones. i like the acid test live stuff tho. and some of the pigpen era live stuff. and i like dead set and the other one that came out from those dead set shows. and maybe europe 72. but not steal yer face. waitaminute, i think i am a dead head. oh wait, no i'm not, i haven't actually listened to them in ten years or more. i like all the songs on the what a long strange trip it's been comp. that's a great comp. but god, that soft bulletin album, that album fucking sucks!(just wanna see if you are all awake)

― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody likes Steal Your Face. It's pretty universally reviled. Anyway, their live sets involved improvisation. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it doesn't.

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Steal Your Face has got a nice cover.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes, the cover is very much classic - no disputing that..

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Live/Dead and Two From the Vault are fucking amazing.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

wait a sec, did I just read this entire thread and not see Interpol mentioned once? shame on all of you.

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

If Pet Sounds included "Help Me Ronda" and "Please Let Me Wonder" and "Let Him Run Wild" and "Girl Don't Tell Me," it really would be the greatest album of all time.

It already is, according to Acclaimed Music :-)

Personally, I'd rather it included "Til I Die", "Surf's Up", "Tears In The Morning" and "It Came To My Window". And possibly "Breakaway" too.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

''but god, that soft bulletin album, that album fucking sucks!(just wanna see if you are all awake)''

I think I was the only one by that point. NO IT DOES NOT FUCKING SUCK!!! :-)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha Ha! thanks for reading, Julio!

― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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