Burning Out?

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Ever feel that way?

I feel like I may have "jumped the shark," as the kids say. Having just flown to London to see my very favorite band play two sold out nights (and hung out with them). I saw the Futureheads -- easily the last new band I truly got excited about -- the night before I left. I have the new albums by the Wedding Present and Julian Cope (two names I usually vociferously extoll the merits of) -- and I just kinda can't be bothered to get excited about them. I'm feeling sort've music'd out at the moment. My next door neighbor has an extra ticket to the Secret Machines on Saturday, but I just kinda can't be arsed (as my wife is fond of saying). I'm just tired and bored.

When I was in London, I was dragged to a comic shop by a friend who zealously collects them. Now, years ago, I was a huge comic geek, but gave up sometime in the mid-80's. Walking around that shop --- waiting for my friend to finish up -- I've never felt less a sense of belonging. Even the titles I knew and once feverishly cared about didn't hold my interest (and, really, who can stay interested in Cerebus and Dark Phoenix in 2005?) It made me a little sad, but I was a peace with it. I'd clearly moved on (some might say quite healthily so).

I'd hate to see the same thing happen with music, but even here on ILM, I can barely summon the energy to get riled up at some of the insufferably inane things said on that Franz Ferdinand/Gang of Four thread (a forum in which I'd normally have all guns blazing).

That I have a wicked chest cold might have something to do with this too, of course.

Even walking around: 9,563 songs on my iPod, and I can't give enough of a fuck to pick something.

Have I burned out?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

had a kid recently, more like it. ;)

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

it's better to burn out than to fade away dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

It may be more of a lull than a burnout. I went to see Mayer last night after some serious threatening by friends and wasn't really moved at all. The weight of responsibility could also be a factor.

hector (hector), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

it's better to burn out than to fade away dude.

I should've seen that one comin'.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

well it's true, sorta! i dunno, actually.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

You're exhausted. It happens to us all. I've had a kid recently (assuming Argunaut isn't kidding, how would I know?) and man does that take it out of you. Even if you don't have a kid, exhaustion makes all nice things seem just okay and uninteresting.

matt2 (matt2), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

The child issue is a big one, but hell, she'll be a year old in three weeks. I also hadn't been to a live gig since the late summer before I went to the Futureheads last Tuesday (and then to London to see Killing Joke twice). Maybe it was just too much, too soon (to paraphrase the New York Dolls). I dunno.

I'm also feeling frustrated at the snail's pace my career change endeavors are proceeding, which probably has a lot to do with it. It's hard to get all excited about a new Dave Gedge tune when you're feeling guilty about having the same job for a damn decade and are worrying how any prospective employer would ever perceive you as a valuable asset.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

fancy going to a laptop show in w.brg for me tonight...cause im too burned out too?

its alright. you'll bounce back...too much of a good thing can kill you

b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

It's a big old world, so many things to focus our attention on, never enough time to experience everything we want to, it's no surprise when our priorities change sometimes. If something stops being fun, let it lie for a while. True love always rears its ugly head and bites you on the arse when you least expect it.

Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

alex. i'm with you on this one man.

as a father of 2 monsters (20mnth, 8 yrs) i too have had my periods of noise fatigue due to pressures of Real Life.

if i tell you its a momentary lapse of reason and all will be well soon, i doubt you'l believe me, but i have found it to always be the case.

just when i get bored and seriously dreading the postman's delivery - something arrives that gets me back on track ..

(for example 'pedro/kathryn williams - demons in cases' was one such track .. which kickstarted a whole new adventure )

and fuck the career aspirations .. parenting kills all flexibility .. but the benefits of bonding with child far FAR outweigh any new job title. (ok .. i'll accept this is not true for all .. but i made my choice and am far happier cos of it ..)

onwards !


ok. back to the usual

mark e (mark e), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Information overload. It happens to us all.

ffirehorse, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Cheers, Mark!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

is anyone else reaching the point where they just can handle being in anyplace that has music playing (esp bars and the like)?

b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Dave Sim went waaaaaayyyyyyyy off the deep end in the mid-90s. You aren't missing anything there. Unfortunately, his artwork is still fairly amazing.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Music will always prevail, like Mark said, something always gets you back. Don't worry about it

Rizz (Rizz), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Further evidence for your consideration:

The child is now worryingly mobile, and has discovered the shelves whereupon the old man's embarassingly vast cd collection is kept. Directly in harm's way (harm being the merciless grasp of a curious eleven month old keen on banging things against the floor) is a wide swath of the "various artists" section. Two voices in my head. The Old Me says: "okay, remove those discs, catalog them, rip the important tracks to iTunes, and put them in storage in the basement. Have list of stored discs readily available on computer desktop." Yeah. Right. The Current...or is it New?...Me says: "fuck it, put'em in a box, throw'em in storage, forget about it. C'mon. Were you really planning on listening to the Trainspotting soundtrack or No New York again any time soon?"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

BTW, I hope I didn't come across as minimizing what you were talking about, Alex in NYC. (If I did, I apologize.) I have the same feelings, many a day. I think at least some of that kind of feeling (or at least it seems so to me) is to do with the amount of information we're expected to process on a daily basis (as opposed to 5, 10, or 15 years ago).

ffirehorse, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Alex, take a couple of days to clear your head: no music at all, totally non-music-related activities, and probably no ILX either. Then, when you feel like you're ready for it, put on something you know you like but have never really gotten to pay close attention to. You're not burned out, you've just got some mildly clogged pipes.

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

No worries, ffirehose, I got exactly what you were driving at.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

...and probably no ILX either....

b-b-b-but? Is such a thing possible? Hahahahhahahha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

reggae (serious)

noizem duke (noize duke), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I will take your copy of No New York

Just kidding. This has happened to me many times. Just put everything away and forget about music for a while. If you need background music, listen to WFMU.

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

actually the reggae thing is pretty spot on .. good call.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I'd recommend listening to something totally unlike the music you normally listen to - maybe something a bit more spare or abstract. I'm not sure what that would be for you, but when I feel like I need to unclog my pipes, I might listen to something like Webern or Evan Parker or Anthony Braxton - it helps to take me out of the rut of my habitual listening patterns.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

i go through phases of intense involvement with something [music/photography/etc] and then there's spells where i dont want a damn thing to do with the subject. ive found to not get so worried about these cycles and appreciate them for what they are.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

re cd storage .. i too have this issue going on.

it doesn't last long.

put a whole bunch of freebie cd's that come with various mags in reach instead of the good stuff ie stuff that you dont care about

.. then - dont react to child giving the silver side grief .. and boredom will kick in quickly .. (ie weeks .. not hours) .. then slowly start to bring back the stuf you want into reach ..

if you react to kid .. they win and it becomes a fun game with which to wind up daddy.

AOL discs suddenly decome useful !


mark e (mark e), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

You don't HAVE to be interested in music, Alex, but you don't have to write it off forever either. Just don't worry about it for awhile, only listen to it or go to shows or buy cds when something excites you. Eventually it will. Or not.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Not to worry, Alex. This happens to me every few months or so. It's the price to pay for being overwhelmed with so much music. Another yes to reggae.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I am with you. A two-year-old, a real job, and freelance gigs. I haven't read a book in a while, and every second of the day I feel like I should be doing something other than what I'm doing.

RE: too many music choices...do you ever browse through your iTunes collection and think "there's a good chance I won't listen to half these songs even ONCE before I die"?

'Cause I do.

Justin, Friday, 4 March 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

ahhh. books. someone remind me.

not even had chance to read the Reggae book from 2 xmas's ago that came out in conjunction with that BBC docmentary .. and the thing is mainly Pictures !

you folks make me glad i have no iTune funk going on in my world.. that would definitely send me over the edge ..

mark e (mark e), Friday, 4 March 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Alex, but you're the soul of this place! Don't burn out on us now. The new Black Mountain album might arrest this creeping malaise. Have a beer and listen to that while reading this

Ask Alex in NYC

before you get up to whatever you get up to tonight.

on varved clay, the boy hunches at an oozing gap in the record., Friday, 4 March 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

I've been going through this periodically since I was 14.

You're prolly just tired. Plus, it's a period of massive music suckage.

I'm guessing you're not burned out, but rather, doomed to love the stuff til you croak.

ian in brooklyn, Friday, 4 March 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

I found that I was burned out for a few years before I realised the music I was listening to was simply not extreme enough. I started to listen to music that was more ludicrous, less tasteful, more out there (unintentionally or otherwise), and less arty. It worked: I am honouring the fire once more Just a suggestion, what works for one person may or may not work for another of course.

moley (moley), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

put a whole bunch of freebie cd's that come with various mags in reach instead of the good stuff ie stuff that you dont care about

Hahahahha! WHY don't I throw those stupid things away for crying out loud? WHY?

I've had times when I feel "musically bored" yes. It never lasts. Chest cold can't be helping either. But the way I look at it is, after the huge trip you took to see the Joke and the Futureheads before them, well, that must have been a pretty intense experience. You're due for a little musical downtime after something like that! Take it easy, don't worry about it and get well soon.

Also: I would think working at a place for 10 years would be an asset rather than a detriment in looking for a new job!

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I have this feeling every once in a while... I just spend a couple of weeks listening to something comfortable and familiar, then usually after a while I feel a bit more refreshed, then I get curious about something I never had the time/energy to check out, and it gets me all excited, and I'm back in the game again. Make sense?

Will M. (Will M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Whenever I lose faith in music I listen to Blonde on Blonde or Raw Power.

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

'In a silent way' by Miles Davis and a good book is what i use to cure any music burnout i get.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

RAMMS+EIN is my Killing Joke. I put it on and everything makes sense again. That or Badfinger.

ianinbrooklyn, Saturday, 5 March 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

It's probably disingenuous to sympathise, not having children of my own, but I understand burnout. Okay, so you're not leaping at new music, or any music. Then so be it. You never really lose touch with yourself...you just get kind of comatose from time to time. You don't have to worry about never waking up, because you've got a built-in self-awareness that will kick in eventually.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 March 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

it happens to me every second month or so.
take it easy.

zeus, Saturday, 5 March 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Amazing to me that people have suggested both "In a silent way" and reggae (70s Trojan stuff especially). I use these to, erm, "unclog the pipes." On a related note, I went to Virgin in Union Square a few hours ago, picked up "Take Fountain", The Dears album, and the Wu Tang handbook thingy, then, standing in line, had buyer's regret, thought "fuck it" and went home. Tonight I'm going to focus on my wife, my puppy, and making the best Tom Collins (my new drink of choice) I can. Someone else can choose the music.

paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

So, the wife sent me out of the apartment today (sensing that I was in a funk and needed to clear my head), and whilst walking about the still-stubbornly-wintery West Village, I dialed up a strict audio diet of New Order on the ol' iPod. Seguing between "Here to Stay" from the 24hr Party People soundtrack into "True Faith", I did feel the clouds parting a bit. By the opening strains of "Touched by the Hand of God" I was starting to feel like m'self again. I still have no real desire to buy anything new (feeling guilty for not listening to the last several things I did buy), but I'm heartened to feel "the stirring" again (the day my heart doesn't swoon to the signature sound of Peter Hook's bass is the day I should donate my ears to charity).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

I've been kinda grouchy in general what with being stuck in a city I don't like for a few more months.. and I find myself totally unadventurous as regards music, I nearly bought that Franz Ferdinand album today, which would be fun to own and hear but it doesn't challenge me and sounds like plenty of bands I already know I like. I did pick up the new Low record after ignoring them for several years & it's amazing.. and am tempted to buy Firey Furnaces because I rather suspect I'll hate it completely, which would at least be interesting and more than saying "meh" in response.

Also, seconded on the reggae. The local college radio has amazing late-night reggae shows on Sundays and I so look forward to it. Maybe I should buy some Linton Kweisi Johnson or one of those Trojan box sets..

daria g (daria g), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

How about audiobooks? Episodic novels, short stories, short nonfiction pieces, nuthin 2 deep, or you might bump into something. Do people who download download such; is there soulseek (for) bookworms?

don, Monday, 7 March 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

Just wait til you hear the new album, Alex. You're quite the entrenched skeptic at times, I'm well aware, but grimly fiendish likes it and he didn't like Get Ready either.

p.s. Have you heard "Player In The League" - the b-side to "Here To Stay"? I really like that one.

I'm off to see Futureheads in a bit here...

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

I feel you, Alex. I've had major burn-out lately. I actually chased down Christgau when I saw him one day and asked him about it. He told me it happens all the time, and when I'm afflicted I should, "Find out what I like and find out why I like it." It was really liberating at the time. Anyway, hope that helps.

Sometimes I look at my CD collection and think: If I had the chance to trade this CD for another album I don't own, would I? I'm looking at my CDs right now, and I like owning, say, Luna's Bewitched, but I'd rather own, say, Bjork's Homogenic, which I don't own. Same with Electric Ladyland. I'd much rather have, um, Spirit of Eden or something.. I'm going to stop. This always depresses me and makes me want to sell all of my CDs except for, like thirty of them.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

(PS - after the previous post I went on-line and bought Spirit of Eden)

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 7 March 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

haha, I like the idea of chasing down Christgau!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 March 2005 07:37 (twenty years ago)

Alex, I went through a similar crisis in my late 30s (believe I'm ten yrs older than you). The combination of new parenthood and mid-career malaise resulted in a full-on depressive funk. The force that sustained me through adolescence and early adulthood, MUSIC, seemed to lose its magic touch and I couldn't figure out if that was a symptom or cause of my blues.

The CD storage issues are especially acute for urban apt dwellers but I think this situatiuon symbolizes the underlying universal dilemma. You've got a make room in your life for a child both physically and psychologically, rearranging your mental furniture and reordering your priorities. It takes time and patience, but once you get over the abruptness you begin to adjust.

After awhile, I began to renegotiate my relationship w/music, fitting my obsession in between new responsibilities w/o feeling like I abandoned or fatally compromised it. (ILM has been the crucial final step in this process.) The career stuff I'm not much help with, in fact I find it depressing that having the same job for ten years somehow works to your disadvantage but I have to believe that your consistency and competence will ultimately be rewarded.

Sorry if this all sounds cliched or pollyanna-ish. No school today, so I'll be supervising a "playdate" with 2 rambunctious 8 yr old boys. Hm, maybe I should introduce them to Killing Joke...

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 7 March 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

agree re ILM being a part of the process lovebug ..

strangely i suspect that this thread has reinvoked my love for On-U today - a bonus result for me ..

mark e (mark e), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

There have been a few threads where people have admitted feelings similar to Alex in NYC's. I think the consensus is that it passes. (I'm Not In ILM Hiding, I Just Don't Love Music Any More!) I remember Mr. Raggett writing something very involved about this phenomenon, during a time he was feeling burned out on music, but I can't find it now.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
For what it's worth, I got over my burnout phase......with a vengeance. I've been avidly consuming new stuff left and right (hunting down elusive Coil releases for the most part) and have been two two shows in the last two weeks with another lined-up for next weeks (Gang of Four). Huzzah!!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

:-) I have a boatload of stuff to plow through -- promos and downloads and purchases -- and the prospect is a good one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

I actually chased down Christgau when I saw him one day and asked him about it. He told me it happens all the time, and when I'm afflicted I should, "Find out what I like and find out why I like it." It was really liberating at the time. Anyway, hope that helps.

that's a fascinating story, and really good advice! i've always done the same thing for myself during periods of "burnout" but never figured a good way to sum it up, and christgau's way of putting it is immaculate. find out what i like. and why i like it.

Sometimes I look at my CD collection and think: If I had the chance to trade this CD for another album I don't own, would I?

i seriously do this ALL THE TIME. except i'll do it with full discographies. last week i realized i'd owned, like, five sleater-kinney albums for years upon years, and not really listened to them, and could recall maybe 3-4 songs (aka, less than a song per album). took all five to the used CD shop, traded for new CDs that i'd rather have -- and i feel great about it, don't miss em at all.

stephen, Thursday, 18 October 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago)

"imagine there's no music"

'tis bloody hard to do

t**t, Thursday, 18 October 2007 00:07 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

Sometimes I look at my CD collection and think: If I had the chance to trade this CD for another album I don't own, would I?

i seriously do this ALL THE TIME. except i'll do it with full discographies. last week i realized i'd owned, like, five sleater-kinney albums for years upon years, and not really listened to them, and could recall maybe 3-4 songs (aka, less than a song per album). took all five to the used CD shop, traded for new CDs that i'd rather have -- and i feel great about it, don't miss em at all.

― stephen, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:04 PM (3 years ago)

read this post from ~3 years ago and didn't realize it was mine til i saw the signature. still don't miss those sleater-kinney albums, except i liked The Woods a good bit. that one was really nice. i'm in the process of cleaning house once again -- quite liberating!

ilxor, Saturday, 15 January 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)

This is an annual thing - I love doing it, pruning 50-100 CDs, filing in the new stuff, trading the old ones in typically for box sets. Yeah it's not the most economical choice but when I look at my CD racks I think, "Damn I want to listen to ALL OF THIS NOW".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 15 January 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)

my hard-drive has crashed a few times. at first, i'm devestated, since it houses thousands of songs/discs. but then it feels liberating, not having to feel the weight of all that accumulated music, much of which i haven't thought about, much less heard, in years. every once in a while, it feels good to start all over again.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 15 January 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)

started this thread in 2007 during my first posting stint, when i was "three handclaps":

Taking A Break: Music Burnout / Overload

markers, Saturday, 15 January 2011 05:43 (fourteen years ago)


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