is metal the new indie rock?

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― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

I have concerns.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

i think that headline was just designed to get an otherwise bland concert review linked by ILM. repeatedly.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

a better question would be "is metal the new thing indie fucks will be into for about six months?"

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

if you're posing the question in 2004, sure

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Breihan's OTM about Buried Inside though, their Chronoclast was the best metal album of last year

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

double OTM for Chronoclast....it's like a more well thought out and pined over One Eyed God Prophecy....I just bought my tickets an hour ago for this same bill in Denver in a week....

forget the doom metal...more stuff like Buried Inside, pleeeeeez.

― bobby.lasers (bobby.lasers), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

forget the doom metal

I don't know Bobby, I sat down and listened to a whole Khanate album turned up loud yesterday and even though the vocals are totally ridiculous, the cumulative effect of the whole thing was pretty awesome

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think indie rock is the new indie rock.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Here in Columbus, the best metal bands are often heard in the local college venues playing to crowds that combine frat boys and sorrority chicks with metalheads and hip-hop fans as well. The bands play with rap and indie rock grouns interchangably as well.

In fact, the two guys in Early Man used to be in indie rock bands (albeit loud ones) in Columbus before they moved to New York and discovered the joys of Kill 'Em All-era Metallica.

In the test market capital of the world, metal has been indie rock for some time now.

In fact, I can recall mentioning this in my Pazz & Jop comments from 2004 - something about how hip-hop was the new indie rock in 2004 but metal would be the new indie rock in 2005, unless it was the other way around. The comments were not published. Oh well.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

pretty sure it's the new grime

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I for one am completely interested in an almost obsessive way about what the new trend is that will be followed by a few hundred kids per college town and covered on small web-zines. That's ALL I care about really.

― Where does Sun O))))) fit into this?, Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

me too but also i collect magazines.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

With the exception of urban forms of music - which was initially followed by a few hundred kids per big city and covered in small zines - I can't think of many trends that *didn't* start out that way.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Is a genre already vocariously followed by people in a tight-knit underground going to be appreciated by the far more boring people who have deemed themselves arbiters of taste and happen to run blogs?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

oh come on metalheads is pretty boring too

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Metalheads burn down churches. Indie rockers burn one to Tortoise.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Whiney G., if I weren't already married...

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah, grime is probably a better comparison for the varg vikernes cum tecumseh sherman treatment.

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

all these younger indie kidz i know are totes into pelican and mastodon and shit.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

those are special kinda european metalheads that burn churches - they think meatlheads are boring too.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also, was anyone else at all anoyed by this:

grunge OGs the Melvins

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

The Melvins would undoubtedly be annoyed if they saw that.

― ng-unit, Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

"metal is the new japanese psychedelia"

― rbrt (larssen), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

The Melvins are annoyed at everything though!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

metal is the new classical music

― MC, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

"me too but also i collect magazines."

They're called ''zines,' man, jeez.

I thought grindcore was the new metal?

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

You can usually tell the folks who were into metal from the start and those who weren't. Like hip hop (but unlike anything else I can think of offhand, where, as robert smith once sang, if you pick up on it quick you can say you were there), metal fandom has certain signifiers / unspoken codes. Like, if I bust out a verse of Kreator's "People of the Lie" and you can't finish it, you're a cornball and your metal band must break up immediately.

― Orang-Utan (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

You can usually tell the folks who were into metal from the start and those who weren't.

My ass.

― George the Animal Steele, Friday, 10 February 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Orang-Utan how many Bang songs can you name?

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

Are urban slum metal zines the new Federal Computer Weeks? Come on over to Rolling Metal 2006 to find out. News special at 10:00 on Primetime.

― George the Animal Steele, Friday, 10 February 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

orangutan's post is way bogus, I saw celtic frost in '85 but I know dudes who were just kids then who've got mad knowledge

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

xhuxk, that's a bad start - do you have any idea how many folks i've turned onto Mother / Bow To The King?

a lot, man.

― Orang-Utan (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

even bad metal is better than most current indie rock. that much i know.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

"I love music, you merely pretend to."

― jcartledge (jcartledge), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Scott: Duh. Most metal bands at least try to be entertaining.

― js (honestengine), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

orang-utan, you do understand that the people in bang probably hadn't memorized any kreator lyrics, don't you?

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

well, obviously i'm referring to metal bands POST Kreator, duh.

i mean, i'd give a guy a break if he never heard Bang. Or the band I got my phony handle from, you know? But if you're in your late twenties / early thirties (as most of these 'indie metal' bands are) and you never saw Slayer on the South of Heaven tour, i'd say that's the indication of a poser, wouldn't you?

― Orang-Utan (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 10 February 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, FWIW, I am in no way inferring that a poser cannot, by some stroke of luck, totally rock. It happens all the time.

― Orang-Utan (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 10 February 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

dude, i just squeaked in there. i saw that tour! and danzig opened!

(barney greenway: "credibility...RE-TAINED!")

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 10 February 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

even bad metal is better than most current indie rock. that much i know.

Absolutely.

― a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 10 February 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

But if you're in your late twenties / early thirties (as most of these 'indie metal' bands are) and you never saw Slayer on the South of Heaven tour, i'd say that's the indication of a poser, wouldn't you?

Bite the unbelievers to death, I prithee. Try to appear reasonable to children and retards, right? It keeps up appearances. Always move the requirement bar. I'm sure you can think up another poser litmus test line item as fast as we can insult your logic.

C'mon, you urban slum metal zine fans, you don't want to take this calumny reclining.

― George the Animal Steele, Friday, 10 February 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not really into it, but indie metal has been building up for at least 10 years now.

http://www.metaltravelguide.com/php/festivals2006.php

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Friday, 10 February 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

i saw either the reign of blood or south of heaven, not sure whichh. it would have been 1988 or 89, with motorhead opening. at a hockey arena in laval, PQ. the quebecois crowd chanted "slayer! slayer! slayer!" through most of motorhead's set. as slayer took the stage, a guy turned to me with a huge grin and grabbed my arm as I pumped my fist in the air. I'd like to say I wasn't throwing up horns, but i most likely was. Dude took my own damn hand and tried to make me punch myself in the face, like an older brother does. Later, my friend Dan (now a corporate lawyer in Palo Alto) was also done some random violence. Headbutted, then kicked in the face when he fell I think. Scariest show I ever saw. Slayer played in front of these big fake stained glass windows with all kinds of upside down crosses and nuns getting fucked and all kinds of evil shit. I don't remember seeing a single woman in the whole place. There was a real keyed up evil vibe in the place, and the usually simmering linguistic tension in Quebec seemed to be at full boil. I really just wanted to see motorhead anyway, who gave off practically a beach boys vibe next to slayer.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

when i saw them (palladium in hollywood or LA, whatever) it got pretty crazed. when the "KILL! KILL! KILL!" bit of "at dawn they sleep" started up and the whole crowd was screaming along at the top of their lungs, it felt like the place was going to go nuts.

there was a minor riot afterwards, some glass doors got smashed and a bunch of slayer fans circle-moshed in the street. i've still got the videotape somewhere (i can dimly be made out behind the melee, holding up my white "world sacrifice tour" t-shirt as i walk by.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

awww, lame. sorry.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

never saw anything more Lord Of The Flies than the moshpit chant of "Hang the Pope!" at the Nuclear Assault show at Fender's circa '86...I think they were opening for Voivod but I had to jet, shit was getting real scary in there

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

So metal is the new indie because it lets people call other people "poseurs" without feeling like pretentious dickwads?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Out: Being a poseur about being intellectual.
In: Being a poseur about being masculine.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

This inane thread title is the ILM equivalent of the cringe-inducing questions that scroll across Carrie's monitor during Sex and the City. Anyway:

I don't give a fuck who likes metal, or says they like metal for the next eight months. I can't stand most of it myself. Never had a metal period, never spent my allowance on Poison cassettes, never made a non-ironic devil hand, never ironed a Master of Puppets patch to the back of my black denim jacket, never owned a black denim jacket.

I'm bored as fuck by Early Man, SunnE>>>, Blazorgath, Necriler, Pterodacremation, Scold's Bridle, etc. Hipster metal is cultural androstenedione for middle-class university aesthetes with inferiority complexes about their testosterone levels. Sad, really. And boring.

― Jason Toon, Friday, 10 February 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for dropping by, Jason!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

And now I see that the "inane" thread title originates in the linked-to blog post, by personal acquaintance, colleague (if may I flatter myself), and all-around nicest-guy-on-Earth Tom Breihan (who is not at all inane). Whoops. Me and my big keyboard.

― Jason Toon, Friday, 10 February 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna run into the Rolling World Music thread and state that I never liked World Music and still don't. Catch ya later.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I gotta go tell those freaks at I Love Cooking how much their recipes suck, be right back.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ha!

― ratty, Friday, 10 February 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Gwar on Shimmy-Disc -VS- Early Man on Matador

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Why is The Genre Of 'Metal' so maligned?

METAL for ART-metallers

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Holy crap, I didn't know Buried Inside was still together, let alone touring and on a big label. Are they still based out of Ottawa? I remember some of their first shows. When I was 19 I wrote that one of their shows was the best performance I'd ever seen of anything.

― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 11 February 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

The last Buried Inside album (Chronoclast) was one of 2005's better albums.

― a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

x-post from Rolling 2006 Magolia Thunderpussy Weekly Sales

TW LW ARTIST - TITLE (LABEL)
-- -- ----------------------
 1 -- In Flames - Come Clarity (Ferret Music)
 2 -- Aceyalone - Magnificent City (Decon)
 3 -- J Dilla - Donuts (Stones Throw)
 4 -- Mastodon - Call Of The Mastodon (Relapse)
 5 -- Decapitated - Organic Halucinosis (Earache)
 6  3 Flyleaf - Flyleaf (Octone)
 7 -- Belle & Sebastian - Life Pursuit (Matador)
 8 -- Dimmu Borgir - Stormblast (Nuclear Blast)
 9 -- Edguy - Rocket Ride (Nuclear Blast)
10 -- The Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control (Kill Rock Stars)
11  4 Spitball - Welcome To Spitsville (Silent)
12  7 Nasum - Grind Finale (Relapse)
13 -- Beth Orton - Comfort Of Strangers (Astralwerks)
14 -- Vader - Art Of War (Candlelight)
15 18 Danger Doom - The Mouse & The Mask (Epitaph)
16 20 Death Cab For Cutie - Plans (Atlantic)
17 28 POS - Audition (Rhymesayers)
18 -- Akercocke - Words That Go Unspoken Deeds That Go Undone (Earache)
19 -- Battleoar - Age Of Chaos (Black Lotus)
20 -- Cannibal Ox - Return Of The Ox (Faragmented Music)
21 -- Dem Franchize Boyz - On Top Of Our Game (Virgin)
22  5 Tortoise / Bonnie "Prince" Billy - Brave & The Bold (Overcoat)
23 15 Zero - The Problem Child (LOCAL)
24 -- The Shins - Oh Inverted World (Sub Pop)
25 -- Spoon - Kill The Moonlight (Merge)
26 -- J Rawls - The Essence Of Soul (Polar Entertainment)
27 -- Animal Collective - Feels (Fat Cat)
28  1 She Wants Revenge - She Wants Revenge (Geffen)
29 -- Spoon - Gimme Fiction (Merge)
30 -- Genghis Tron - Cloak Of Love (Crucial Blast)

So yeah, I'd say metal *and* hip-hop separately are the new Indie Rock. Fortunately, Rap Metal is not.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

i kinda laughed when i saw that pitchfork's earthride review cribbed from whiney g's blog today.

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

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