I'm overwhelmed with ILX music writing search results, help me narrow them down pls

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OK, so I've just finished Tim Lawrence's "Love Saves The Day" and Peter Shapiro's "Turn The Beat Around" and they were really great to read in tandem and the experience left me wanting more - more great and interesting reads from people who obviously love the music and who manage to draw parallels with social and historical events, etc

I've seen lots of references to David Toop and Greil Marcus, but I'm mostly interested in reggae, disco, funk, soul, hip hop, etc - rather than tradrock, punk, alt-anything etc.

My searches on "books about music" and "music writing" left me with too many threads to even comprehend, so I was wondering if anyone might take pity on me and make a few suggestions on where to go next? I'm HUGELY into Motown, Philly Soul, Disco at the moment, but even on those subjects there's TONS to choose from at Amazon. Anyone?

Thanks in advance.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Off the top of my head, something that goes into quite a wide variety of genres and focuses on the production aspect was 'Sonic Alchemy' by David Howard; Axelrod/Brian Wilson/Albini/Cale/Eno/Arthur Baker/Hannett/Lee Perry/Bomb Squad/Dre (!) all in one book. I enjoyed it.

pher (pher), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Taking Sides: Motown (The Sound of Detroit) v. Gamble & Huff (The Sound of Philadelphia)
TS: Gamble & Huff vs. Thom Bell
RFI: Psychedelic Motown
DooWop vs Motown vs Stax/Volt: FITE!
Explain me Motown

It took about 30 seconds to find those in the ILM search. Try searching for terms in the thread title.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

thanks y'all :)

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

he's looking for music books tracer

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Last Night A DJ Saved My Life : The History of the Disc Jockey

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802136885/102-1638364-4788135?v=glance&n=283155

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

You probably already browsed the Music and Print thread category:

http://ilx.p3r.net/category.php?catid=55

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Nope, didn't even know such a thing existed. Thanks Mark!

And Makrugaik thanks too, as that's one I've been meaning to check out, but keep forgetting.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

s1ocki, the threads here on rentboy's current obsessions are full of contributions from "people who obviously love the music and who manage to draw parallels with social and historical events, etc" so why not like, read those? (ans: "I'm HUGELY into Motown, Philly Soul, Disco at the moment, but even on those subjects there's TONS to choose from at Amazon") - i don't think this guy wants to read, he wants a prefabricated wishlist of things to buy

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think this guy wants to read, he wants a prefabricated wishlist of things to buy

tracer, i'm afraid you've got my intentions all wrong. i was looking for some recommended titles from the regular ILX'er people who largely seem to know about and celebrate music crit, an area where i'm admittedly not well-versed.

honestly, i'm just bored and work and wanted to kind of talk about great books that i might not know about. no need to knock me down.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

As far as 'draw parallels with social and historical events' - Jeff Chang's Can't Stop Won't Stop seems perfect.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

also, the sand on the beach really mucks up my laptop, and the last time i printed out all those ILX threads to take in my beach bag, the facilities manager threated me with a stapler

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha OK - but really - search works!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

jesus tracey

justsomegalthatsall, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Angela Davis' "Blues Legacies and Black Feminism" is a fabulous book! Just the collection of lyrics could be read for their poetics, but Davis' insights are even better.

Give it a shot.

silence dogood (catcher), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Last night a DJ saved my life seconded - that covers most of the genres that mentionned nicely. Other good ones on individual genres -

Reggae
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140237631/qid=1149179707/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/202-4601463-5509403


Soul
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841952400/qid=1149179812/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/202-4601463-5509403


Dance
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0330350560/qid=1149179875/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_3/202-4601463-5509403


Robin Goad (rgoad), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195149726/104-8512865-2664704?v=glance&n=283155

A House on Fire: The Rise and Fall of Philly Soul

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

awesome, thanks everyone. that gives me plenty for a start of summer reading list for the beach. much appreciated....

anyone else also read both "Love Saves The Day" and "Turn The Beat Around"? found both fascinating, but especially because of reading LSD first and then TTBA afterwards. The contrasting views and takes on what is largely the same subjects, players and era really fascinated me.

imho, Tim Lawrence took a more straightforward, chronological look at the music, history, culture and gently drew his own conclusions, all the while being largely more idealistic and remaining mostly postive about the music. He focused mostly on the rise and fall of disco, and documented the DJ - generally coming back to Mancuso as a bit of a hero figure, the touchstone for all other situations. The social and cultural climate was mentioned more as setting and olitics largely stayed out of it, aside from a few mentions of police, zoning and tax authorities. He largely stayed positive, mentioning the music he did love and felt formative, but steering mostly clear of negative appraisals of anything he didn't feel was worth including. Overall he felt more like the third-person narrator, speaking his opinons larelgy through others' words and how he cose to sequence them to tell his story.

Peter Shapiro seemed to be far more critical, drawing some potentially precarious conclusions in an effort to really pull together cause-effect-cause situations between politics, music, society and how each fed back on each other to aggravate/propel/perpetuate situations. His organization for the book read much like he had written many many overlapping subarticles and then compiled them all into book form. And while the 'follow each theme to its logical conclusion' was a very interesting take on each subject, it wound up feeling very repetitious and convoluted in parts. It certainly did make me think a bit more about certain situations than the Lawrence book did, but I think that was laregly due to having read the Lawrence book first and then seeing a contrasting take on a familiar situation. He did tend to enjoy "calling things out" as inane, etc or generally criticizing and putting down particular music, nearly with the same energy as what he did like. Sometimes I had a hard time telling the difference between the two, and sometimes I almost felt like he was contradicting himself on certain opinions.

Overall both books left me in a sad state, ending my vacation trip by scouring crates of old soul and disco vinyl at Other Music on Divisadero for a few hours, and spending the rest of my day tooling through Rooky Ricardo's in Lower Haight. I spent more than I should have, but I wouldn't trade a moment of any of it.

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)


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