"Hey, if you want you can copy my post (with my message board link) and post it on ILX...I've been banned from there...I know how much they love Rockism over there and I'm sure that would ruffle some feathers..."
"Heres my list of the 13 essential albums you need know, frontward adn back, if you want to consider yoruself a Rockist:
Beatles ~ Sgt PepperBeatles ~ Abbey RoadBob Dylan ~ The FreeWheelin Bob DylanNeil Young ~ DecadeThe Clash ~ Combat RockPink Floyd ~ Pipers at the gates of DawnLiz Phair ~ Exile in GuyvilleBlack Sabbath ~ Paranoidled Zeppelin ~ IREM ~ ChronicTownNirvana ~ NevermindVelvet Underground ~ VUThe Who ~ Who's Next
These are the bare minimum. Chronologically they run from 1962 to 1993. (Yes, that means that I dont think there has been a significant Rockism album made in the last 12 plus years--but I'm open for debate). There are only three female band members here; Liz Phair, Nico and Mo Tucker, No blacks, no hispanics, no asians, no arabs. 7 of the 13 albums are from British acts, and one is from a Canadian. 7 albums are from the 60s, 2 from the 90s, 2 from the 80s and just two from the 70s (even though the 70s were in fact the greatest Rock decade of all!). There are a several other albums that came very close to making the list; Pavements Slanted and Enchanted, the Talking Head Remain in Light, and Stereolabs Space Age Batchelor Pad Music, Love's Forever Changes, the Replacements Pleased to Meet Me, etc."
Let me, Steve, say that I have no association or opinion about this list whatsoever. Please direct all comments to not-me.
― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago)
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago)
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago)
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago)
WID A LITTLE BIT O'LUCK, WE GONE MAKE IT TROO DI NIGHT
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago)
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago)
DO YOU RUN A B&B?
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago)
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
XP
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.musicate.org/Assets/Images/Project/Children%20holding%20hands%20up.JPG
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
http://45toursnazes.free.fr/Haut.JPG
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago)
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)
1 group member
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)
See:Post-Rock or Jazz RockCan someone explain 'Emo' to me?Does Postpunk even actually exist?
Suddenly, a wave of regret rushed over Christiane F.'s naive little body...
― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
We all have different measures of quality. Admittedly, the Ramones have put out some poor product in their day, but they have also produced a lot of quality.
Why are they of quality?
They were very unique and original and they also had a lot of energy ofcourse, but being unique and original doesnt neccesarily equate to quality, nor does having lots of energy automatically equate to quality. No, what classified the Ramones as quality was that their music went straight to the very core of what Rock music is all about. From the time we are rocked to sleep as little babies, motion and movement have been sources of soothing and comfort. The Ramones music is like that. It is an assault on the mind that ignites the need for motion. At least it does for me. Listening to '53rd and 3rd' or 'I wanna be sedated' swells up the urge in me to stick my steel toed boot into some overfed fratboys smiley face and then go fuck a lonely fat chick like my dick was a broken perculator stuck on the 'High' setting. Then the song ends and I remember that I'm not in college anymore. But at least for a few fleeting moments, the Ramones are able to move me and that, in my opinion, is why they are quality...
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago)
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago)
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago)
I certainly have no plan to own this rubbish ever.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)
― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago)
― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago)
-- Space Gourmand (papiermachealamphibia...), September 19th, 2006. (Haberdager) (later)
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago)
Only if by "dude" you mean "Tim Gane":
http://eil.com/newGallery/Stereolab-Space-Age-Batchel-318482.jpg
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago)
!
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 September 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago)
Do I think you can be a Rockist and mostly like hip hop?Sure. But you still need to understand the history of Rock. You still need to know the social impact Rock has had on Western culture. You still have to be able to define 'qaulity' in terms that were originally laid out by Rock's founding fathers and greatest innovators. HipHop/Rap CAN Rock. It is just my opinion that it doesnt--or at least 99.999999% of the time it doesnt...
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago)
― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:12 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago)
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago)
$1500 / copy m4riss4 style
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago)
― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 03:03 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I guess if there was any doubt at all left that the guy's a fake...
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 24 September 2006 09:42 (eighteen years ago)
Fulfilling the twin goals of making kids dance and getting musicians laid? I'd say that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of rap does that.
― js (honestengine), Sunday, 24 September 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Sunday, 24 September 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago)
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago)
― Peter The Pill (Grodd), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)
In the terms of rock's founding fathers, yes.
Your attempts to redefine the goals of "the founding fathers of rock" has more to do with not getting the answers you want than anythin they did.
ps: Your list sucks.
― js (honestengine), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago)
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago)
Your post advocates a( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilanteapproach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money(x) It is defenseless against brute force attacks( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it( ) Users of email will not put up with it( ) Microsoft will not put up with it( ) The police will not put up with it( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or businessSpecifically, your plan fails to account for( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email(x) Open relays in foreign countries( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses(x) Asshats( ) Jurisdictional problems( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches( ) Extreme profitability of spam( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft(x) Technically illiterate politicians(x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering( ) Outlookand the following philosophical objections may also apply:(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have everbeen shown practical( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation( ) Blacklists suck( ) Whitelists suck(x) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually( ) Sending email should be free(x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome( ) I don't want the government reading my email( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enoughFurthermore, this is what I think about you:( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn yourhouse down!
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money(x) It is defenseless against brute force attacks( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it( ) Users of email will not put up with it( ) Microsoft will not put up with it( ) The police will not put up with it( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email(x) Open relays in foreign countries( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses(x) Asshats( ) Jurisdictional problems( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches( ) Extreme profitability of spam( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft(x) Technically illiterate politicians(x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have everbeen shown practical( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation( ) Blacklists suck( ) Whitelists suck(x) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually( ) Sending email should be free(x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome( ) I don't want the government reading my email( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn yourhouse down!
― rock u like a ยง (ex machina), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/roster/pics/punk.gif
"Rockism means I'm better than you"
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago)
― boney (b0n3y), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago)
Steve, could you do me a favor and let some of my "fans" at ILX.com know I've finished my much anticipated blog about Tribute band frontmen?
http://blog.myspace.com/paulewagemann
The rock gods will look down upon you kindly if you do...
― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago)
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago)
― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)
I'll know open the floor up for questions...
-- Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:04 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
^^^beginning to think PEW was a better troll than CMan
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:30 (seventeen years ago)
He's more a comparison point to Geir.
― Mark G, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)
except geir is at least aware
― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:37 (seventeen years ago)
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ROCKISM_101/rockism101copy.jpg
if you would like to become a Rockism101 girl simply send us a photo of you with the words 'Rockism101' spelled across your butt with lipstick--or if you dont have enough room on your butt for 'Rockism101' then 'R101' will suffice).
― DavidM, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)
what
― elan, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebillson/gallery/img9.jpg
― Just got offed, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)
shoulda been a poll
― s1ocki, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:59 (seventeen years ago)
http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ROCKISM_101/
― elan, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:01 (seventeen years ago)
I was asked by Mr. Wagemenn personally to post this.
^^missed meme opportunity
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:06 (seventeen years ago)
omg rockism101.jpg
― The Reverend, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:20 (seventeen years ago)
oh man the PEW days
― cutty, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:54 (seventeen years ago)
You know all the "Ban" debates?
PEW was the only one I agreed with!
(some of the rest were after the fact)
― Mark G, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:48 (seventeen years ago)
I am not particularly familiar with "Freewheelin'" or "Chronic Town", I don't like "Exile In Guyville" at all and VU is extremely patchy. So I guess I am no rockist then.
Then again, I have always considered myself a pop fan, but when I say pop fan I mean pop as a musical genre, with strict musical rules, and not as a cultural or sociological phenomenon.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
I stand corrected...
― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
Oh Geirpaws...
― leavethecapital, Monday, 23 June 2008 23:14 (seventeen years ago)
qaulity
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 07:53 (sixteen years ago)
Anyhow, share your thoughts. What silly things do you get really excited over? -- Mandee, Friday, November 22, 2002 12:04 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link]
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 08:00 (sixteen years ago)
See, there is one diff..
Geir's statements invite debate/discussion/fighting/etc.
PEW's ones, at best, elicit a shrug and a 'who cares?'
― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 08:19 (sixteen years ago)
PEW looks more like a "punkist" than "rockist" to me. A "rockist" acknowledges Pink Floyd and prog rock, which after all was a result of the English 60s (Beatles et all)
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:18 (sixteen years ago)
PEW once accused me of "just overflowing with white guilt" for writing a James Brown RIP blog post.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)
PEW was pretty good at bog-standard trolling, but really awful at race-baiting.
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:37 (sixteen years ago)
Is this list a joke???
― paigeterner, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:44 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TN-kDEKxF0
― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:46 (twelve years ago)