Rolling 2007 neo-deep-house thumping big beats with cloudy noises and the odd vocal snatch thread

Guy Gerber is totally different but awesome - love "Seagull" esp, and his remix of Eulberg's "Bionik".

Odd though if Gerber epitomizes this sound as I also think fo him as neo-trance.

Speaking of which, has anyone actually seen the Neo-Trance compilation? Surprisingly good and on-point tracklist!

ha. very appropriate cover, too

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I think you mean his remix of Mari Boine.. Hopefully on its way to me as we speak..
http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/251927-01.htm

i feel like this is sort of a predecessor - or at least a big influence - to this sound.

c'mon, germans gettin soul-vibey. i hate it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D1XVK83K

tracklist for that section goes [unknown, ESP Genius Of Fun!, Visitor - Stop the music] electro/house/techno mixed to throw into relief the best bits of each genre by contrast with each other. I'm surprised you weren't into it, Jacob

Anyway if we're talking Germans getting soul-vibey I'd add the new Manmadescience album. Bit Moodymannish/Parrishish, bit DJ Premier in a house context, but really nice.

also, henrik schwarz is a great cook, and i'm always fond of producers who have talent in the kitchen. have you seen the slices interview where he makes spaetzle?

I think Matt's split makes more sense - 03/04 Schwarz versus 05/06 Schwarz, with the latter period being heavy on the remixes. His remix of Wei Chi was perhaps the turning point - the moment when he eased up on the Moodymann homages and is much more on this ethereal orchestration tip.

My favourite is probably the Alton Millar remix.

My top ten Schwarz-related stuff is like:

1) Clouds Are Gone remix
2) That track, whichever one it is
3) Where We At
4) Stop, Look & Listen
5) Imagination Limitation
6) Faces & Phases remix
7) Don't See The Point remix (only if pitched up a bit so it doesn't sound draggy - best context I've heard for this is one of Tricky Disco's mixes)
8) Walk Music
9) Leave My Head Alone Brain
10) Chicago

http://www.myspace.com/themartinezbros

But do you really think Rej is crap?

skopp - 24-Oct-06 08:46 AM
I don't see what the fuss is all about. I have listened to this Rej over and over, purely for the sake of catching on to it and saying "Ah! Now I get it!"...but I don't. It would have been a brilliant minimalistic instrumental piece without the silly 'scary' synth up front (which sounds like it was stolen from a circus by the way).

I will give due to the background instrumental programming and a nice low constant bassline, however.

skopp - 27-Nov-06 07:58 AM
ok ok...i eat my words
and my socks.

i saw the power of rej at an intimately underground club deep in the Johannesburg city. James Lavelle played it. People were going mad...this track is meant for large speakers. It simply eats the floor whole. It melts into a billion pieces and tickles every goosebump on your neck

Yeah, "Imagination Limitation" is what really caught my ear with Schwarz, but all three versions of "Stop, Look, and Listen" hit me just right as well. And while "Jimis 2006" may not be completely new, it is another of his original productions that scores highly with me. I'm still not super crazy about "Where We At," but I agree with the assessment of his remixing being particularly nice. On that tip, I just found this on Beatport the other night, and the Schwarz remix is great and definitely in the vein of his more recent work: http://www.discogs.com/release/358292

"That..s what first got us into the whole music thing and sent us in the direction toward where we are now,.. Steve adds. ..The soulful-house sound is pretty much the most musical kind of dance music out there. It..s not as computerized, not as obviously done on a machine, as a lot of other sounds out there. You actually have to know how to play instruments to make a soulful-house record; you need a real vocalist to do a soulful-house record...Steve and Chris..s musicality is evident in their DJ sets, which tend to combine electronic ..techie.. tracks with more traditional NY flavored deep, vocal house and classics."

fuck. off.

(maybe that's why so much "soulful house" sounds so fucking dreadful, because producers are spending too much goddamn time wondering about what's real or not, mmmm?)

WHAT THE FUCK!?

dunno what's so outrageous about that. a lot of techno records are interesting because of the computer-ness of the sound. i'm saying that meatspace instruments have a greater range of possibility (just like meatspace life does) because musicians directly perform them outside of preprogrammed parameters. when the computers improve, no doubt they'll sound less computer-like.

and dont get me started on spontaneity

a lot of techno records are interesting because of the computer-ness of the sound

As for sponteneity, I'm with Ted Kadinsky: when society get to complicated that we have to let the machines make the decisions, we'll have to be drugged up to get any pleasure at all from this world.

this radio show on music/brain science is worth a listen
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/episodes/2006/04/21

? I don't understand this - are you saying that there's some kind of genetic-memory at play in your choices of what to listen to? so that when you, as a human being, hear such a goosealike sound (even though no geese were involved in the making of it), it rings a sympathetic chord with your animal nature (and even had you never heard a goose before you'd still feel the same chord of familiarity because your/our ancestors had)?
Or that in your experience the sound of a goose, or any other naturally-occuring sound, has developed around it a certain collection of related emotions/images - loneliness, sky in autumn, having yr finger nipped - which can be brought in when you hear such goosealike sounds, but haven't had a chance to build up around completely 'new' synth-derived sounds?

itunes just started playing 'roses and teeth for ludwig wittgenstein', no lie (it's not such amazing chance as all that, i'd typed 'mouth' in the search box up top). If my cd cases were with me I'd check and see if it's a real goose sampled there, or an oboe, or a newly-created noise that conveniently happened to sound like a goose. The first is most likely, I think? Anyway: if something's using your personal memory of what a goose sounds in order like to conjure up emotions/images, then not-a-goose-but-quite-similar is perfect (the oboe-goose in peter and the wolf, say), but if something's tapping into some primal sense of 'what sounds are right' I think that only the actual sound of a goose honking would work, that the 'neanderthal brain' wouldn't respond to ersatz.

I'm kind of leery of the neanderthal brain thing, though, because whenever I try and think it through it comes out lamarckian.

The phrase "expressive piano playing" doesn't express an entirely subjective, personal judgment, but that's not because piano playing is (or can be) objectively expressive.

Rather, it's because ideas about expressive piano playing exist within society, it's a mediated judgment call to make because the very phrase brings to mind a socially explicable notion of expressiveness.

There isn't an equivalent social understanding w/r/t minimal electronic dance music. Thus when we do use a word like "expressive" in connection to such music it's often because some aspect of the music reminds us of an area of music where the notion of expressiveness is commonly referred to.

I don't know about this-- it gives too little credit to minimal electronic whatever, especially considering much of its roots in what are very gay, expressive dance forms. What disco started to do and house took on was combining these elements that you're talking about (ie-- 'soulful' female vocals reminiscent of gospel/soul classics) with the computerized, technology-driven element.

In other words, I think there's a great amount of social understanding w/r/t to what we're talking about here, as 'minimal' as it may be.

i guess that what i meant to say was: yes, tim, you're right, but i think that you underestimate the social understanding/relevancy any sort of pulsing music has on people, whether computer-driven or not.

Actually it's telling that your example relates to your moms who doesn't follow popular music. "Expressive" is the kind of term someone who is a bit more deliberate (even self-conscious) about their music fandom is more likely to use. But I'm splitting hairs now.

I am interested in going back to the discussion about deep house etc. again though.

or is this supposed to go on the deeeeeeep bobbins thread. im a little confused

i'm still not sure what everyone's talking about on this thread - so far all the tracks referenced have sounded very very different from each other.

Speaking of Jackmate, I think much of the Philpot catalog would fit in here (or is this too traditionally deep house). And Philpot has it's very own long forgotten thread here: soulphiction / manmadescience / philpot / jackmate / motorsoul