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i like it. keep up the good work, mods.

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 19 February 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

agree

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Sunday, 19 February 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

Sucks the cock, big time.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 19 February 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

i been robbed!

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 19 February 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

cutty OTM. I perused the list of 'pointless' threads that jess deleted yesterday and can find no fault with any of his decisions.

― zebedee (zebedee), Sunday, 19 February 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

The phrase ``I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'' is widely attributed to Voltaire, but cannot be found in his writings. With good reason. The phrase was invented by a later author as an epitome of his attitude.

It appeared in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym S[tephen] G. Tallentyre. Chapter VII is devoted to Helvétius (1715-1771), whom she depicts as a kindly, generous person, with a hint of more talent to raise him above mediocrity. He married and settled in the sticks, with a new wife who was unfashionably old (32), and they were happy. This was ended by his tragic aspiration, to earn some small glory for himself as a philosopher.

In 1758, he published ``De l'Esprit,'' which Hall renders ``On the Mind.'' From the little Hall says of it directly, I take it that this was a moral-relativist tract, adducing bad social conditions as the cause of immoral behavior, regarding humans essentially as animals, and skeptical of the validity of moral claims generally.

This was unpopular with everyone - secular philosophers, all of the church, the government. It certainly got him noticed, but not by all at once. Voltaire immediately regarded the work as a serious disappointment from one who had been a somewhat promising protege. He was most insulted to have been compared in it with lesser intellectual lights (Crébillon and Fontenelle). It was widely criticized by other wits of their enlightened social circle. For a few months, however, it escaped the notice of the government.

Then the Dauphin read it.

The privilege to publish was revoked; the censor who approved its publication was sacked. A rolling wave of official condemnation began, culminating with the Pope (Jan. 31, 1759) and the Parliament of Paris (Feb. 6) and public book-burning by the hangman (Feb. 10), an honor shared with Voltaire's ``Natural Law.''

On the principle that anything so unpopular with the government must ipso facto be pretty good, the official condemnation permanently established Helvétius's philosophical repute among the fashionable salon crowd, and rehabilitated him among the intellectual elite as well, to a great extent. He became popular in Protestant Germany and England.

Hall wrote:

...The men who had hated [the book], and had not particularly loved Helvétius, flocked round him now. Voltaire forgave him all injuries, intentional or unintentional. `What a fuss about an omelette!' he had exclaimed when he heard of the burning. How abominably unjust to persecute a man for such an airy trifle as that! `I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' was his attitude now. But he soon came, as a Voltaire would come, to swearing that there was no more materialism in `On the Mind' than in Locke, and a thousand more daring things in `The Spirit of Laws.'

(Boldface added here for emphasis.)

Friends is not a scholarly work, but Hall is fairly scrupulous throughout the book to state within the text whether she is quoting speech or text, and whether various reports are first-person or likely hearsay. I believe it was reasonable of her to expect that `I disapprove ... say it' would be recognized as her own characterization of Voltaire's attitude. I think some readers were confused because of the way she follows this with paraphrases of his spoken criticisms.

In any case, the phrase was too eloquent, so it became quoted, and famous names attach themselves to quotes, to the detriment of the less well-known originators.

Hall herself claimed later that she had been paraphrasing Voltaire's words in his Essay on Tolerance:

``Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.''

Hall died in 1919.

In his A Book of French Quotations (1963), Norbert Guterman suggested that the probable source for the quotation was a line in a 6 February 1770 letter to M. le Riche: ``Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.''

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think Jess is changing deletion rules mid-stream and I find him annoyingly capricious as a moderator. It boggles my mind that he would be given moderator privileges to begin with, given his record on ILX, but obviously a lot of others don't agree with that. I don't find 95% of his witty comments particularly funny either.

I have to admit, I wouldn't want the job of moderator.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 February 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

come back strong harvell!! hes been begging for it for years

― qwer, Monday, 20 February 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I would say that Jess and I and some other people mostly just stay out of each other's orbits, but when he starts messing with the board, it's very hard for me to hold my tongue.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

But he's messing with the board in an amusing and improving way!

― adam (adam), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

funny how all that comes out AFTER he loses his mod powers, eh eh eh?

― WROFLMOTHER (haitch), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

I hadn't read through that other thread, haven't been following this things closely, etc. (Also he would surely realize that if he were to take moderator revenge on me it would only make me a martyr.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

more old yuppie whines after a word from our sponsors

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

(I'm not anti-moderation. If people want to consistently ban leak alert threads or even YSIs that's fine. Or if you want to eliminate certain types of duplication, okay. But "pointless list threads" is too subjective.)

x-post

I wish I had yuppie money blount.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

haha "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

pointless list threads, like illiteracy are frowned on. there's no general deletion policy towards them rs. just an understanding that when things get too stupid, mods will at times lash out at various manifestations of that stupidity. do recall that jess lost his mod powers, at least for the time being.

so yr. sort of howling at the wind here.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

He did say it. It's just someone else came along and deleted it as being 'pointless'

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 February 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised by the general approval of mass deletion in this way - even if some (not all) of the threads deleted I'd agree were pointless/annoying/done before.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 20 February 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

I really wanted to delete "Blue Lines" Vs. "OK Computer" mind you.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all for kamikaze deletion raids, even (and especially) when my threads are targeted.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, totally.

― i always wondered where my mandibula was! (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not. But the fact some eejits keep starting threads like new new new etc leak threads just to annoy the mods really isn't doing anyone any favours. And is just going to make others crack and go postal. Which i really hope doesn't happen.

You mods must have patience of saints.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

to be honest I really don't mind there being an Album Leak thread, but will bow to popular opinion on this issue as i can understand that ultimately, empthasis on threads like that is not what ILM was intended for and it seems to discourage debate and discussion rather than encourage it.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

The thread was fine when it was just lists of albums that had leaked IMO.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

IMOEMOINMOHEMO

― SnakeShit ;] (eman), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

admins here are REAL assholes ! so many interesting threadds have been deleted lately. And without even a single word !!!

all leaked albums threads for instance which were of great help to any music fan !!

go in hell you admins !

― Griond, Monday, 20 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

^... obvious fake

― Yawn (Wintermute), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

pointless list threads, like illiteracy are frowned on.

Local media journalist on ILM in hating underclass non-shock.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Dom you trying to suggest anyone not wealthy is a thicko?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

I had no idea the "underclass" was fond of pointless list threads. Do continue, Dr. Moynihan.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

I really wanted to delete "Blue Lines" Vs. "OK Computer" mind you.

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT

― Dan (I Dare You) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

And to think, people be hatin' on ILE for way less than this and saying ILM was the only place to be mere months ago.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

Those people were insane/fooling themelves.

― Dan (ILM Has Been Unbearable For At Least A Year Now) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

ilm is harder to stop posting to because i still love music, whereas i hate everything else

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

even zaftig women?

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

these days, yes

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

You're not a mod anymore? Bummer.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

Would you guys just delete this thread?

I think I've discovered a direct link between IMDb's worst 100 films of all time and the old timer ILM hivemind aesthetic

I made the mistake of starting it after drinking 7 glasses of merlot. It all made sense at the time...

― darin (darin), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 07:40 (nineteen years ago)

and this one too? I diverted him for a couple of seconds, but I doubt it'll stop there:

Looking For Sound Mirrors by Coldcut

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

^... obvious fake

-- Yawn (...), Yesterday. (later)

Amazinly enough, no. That's the real orson. Possibly orson's historic last post.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

jess have you actually posted on ILM this year??

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

apparently he has, yes

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

i just locked a new pitchfork thread. i feel so....tainted.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

worth noting: part of the newfound alert mods thing is that somewhere in the past maybe month or two, locking threads became v. fast with no overhead costs to board performance (yay coders!).

deleting, i think, may still cause server drag.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

pash, if you get a second, and unless you see reason to not, would you mind ip banning this dude pls:

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/searchresults.php?board=2&mode=messages&userip=6734077

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

ip banned. Well spotted!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Pash, not to unnecessarily add to the noise, but I did use the search function before starting my "Britian vs. America" thread. Of the two that I found and which were later linked to, one had to do with the present day and the other, in the words of the very first responder, was only about rock. thereby missing out on a lot of stuff. I am frustrated.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

OK fair enough. Do you want me to unlock it, then you can boot it up to the top again, & see if it gets any responses?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

That would be nice. Thanks a lot!

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Pash.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Holly Valance makes music, Steve.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

gone.

Off home now.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

i can't log in
can't log in

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

would removing the 'Rolling' from all those bloody 'Rolling...' threads be moderation gone mad? I suspect yes. But where did this trend start? And when oh when will it stop?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mind it actually! ilm would be better with more of them.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

it's pointless though.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I preferred the 'Grime In 2005' style. Segregate genre threads are the ILM equivalent of the regionalised branch-offs on ILE though heh.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like to have the word "Rolling" on top of those threads! Then I know not to open them.

Segregate genre threads are the ILM equivalent of the regionalised branch-offs on ILE though heh
haha

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's a great aesthetic - "rolling" implies that it's just gonna keep going and going, for the whole year, which with some of them might be wishful thinking, but it's a good thing to strive for. Going back to the "grime in 2004" model would be sad, it sounds a lot more stiff (and kind of more pretentious, like ILM will be able to talk about the *entirety* of any given genre for a year. They might have actually done that with Grime tho, to be fair!)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it also means you've got to take the time to read the whole humungous thread carefully in order to jump into the conversation, assuming you wanted to. Just like, as stevem pointed out, the crocfarmer and hogbutcher threads.

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I would welcome more imagination and variation e.g. 'ABSOLUTE DEFINITIVE Psychobilly 2006 thread where we accept no substitutes', and so on.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Redd Harvest, no one does that! You look at the last five posts, and go from there! If it's been covered allready, that's no prob cos rolling threads are usually populated by ppl who enjoy revisting albums, checking up on whether they've changed their minds about them in the last few months/weeks/days/hours.

Stevem, if we're gonna go down that kind of path, I propose we go all the way and just rename 'em all "(insert genre name here) IN 2006 O RLY"; then in 2007 we can choose a new tired meme.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

can we get back to talking about legitimate site concerns like a 1 question per day code or registered users only rule instead of style points?

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

or, my real dream, completely dumping the server and starting over at year zero?

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Redd Harvest, no one does that!
Really? Then how am I supposed to know what is country-metal and what is metal-country? And vice-versa

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

the registered users debate is not due for renewal til September.

people should work on their style NOW.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Can we please have a "Rolling Moderation Request Thread 2006"?

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Not.

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

or, my real dream, completely dumping the server and starting over at year zero?

http://www.dissensus.com/

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

or, my real dream, completely dumping the server and starting over at year zero?

im in favor of this too

― ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

that's more like a dream turned nightmare, dan

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

the horror:
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=3261

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

who are they?

fuxake

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

wtf?

gone.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

I googled up the information she was looking for in less than a minute!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

If you were on a date that was failing painfully, what song would you spontaneously break into, right there at the dinner table

Eww, guys.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

IndieTorrent invite?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Done and done.

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Monday, 27 February 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

top 10 bands/individual artists of all time

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 27 February 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

more underrated

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 27 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

haha i can barely keep up

― ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Monday, 27 February 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

damnit,built to spill-you in reverse

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 5 March 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

gone gone

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Sunday, 5 March 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

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