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Lately, "veggies" has been bugging the shit out of me... too flip, too Australian sounding. Also, "At the end of the day..." is being heavily abused by politicos... a new catch-phrase with no meaning.

Now, a small cadre of philistines in my office has been using the word "outreach" as a NOUN... "Were you able to establish some outreach with the printers?" etc.

What language abuses have been rubbing you raw lately?

― andy, Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE"

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

what?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

That seems like it'd be right up your alley, TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

My friends got into saying "P-word" as a jokingly PC way of saying "pussy" .. i.e. - "so-and-so is a p-word." I tried to explain that it's a real pussy move to be afraid of saying pussy and hypocritical of anyone then to call anyone else a p-word. I think it fell on deaf ears.

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

my p hurts!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

If my dad wants to agree with something you've said, he says "This is true." It really, really gets me annoyed, for no other reason than overuse as far as I can think.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Have a Cool Yule!" - I haven't actually heard this lately but because of the season I remembered this the other day and darkly mulled over its wankiness.

― Chriddof (Chriddof), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

using "Cool Yule" seems like it should automatically warrant a knife in the face.

― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

My father met Cheech Marin while drunk and got his autograph. My father is not the autograph type, but kept it because it is a small bar napkin that says "BE COOL FOOL, CHEECH." A man of few words, that Cheech.

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I cant stand it when I hear someone say 'impactful' is that even a word? Impact is not a property, its created.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It must say something about ILX that this is the most repeated topic of all time:

Four Words: Use Other Words Please
"Use other words please."
Commonly used phrases that inexplicably bug you
Most irritating cliche/phrase/expression
"Taking Things to a Whole `Nother Level!"
words that annoy
Words that should earn the author a slap
PROVERBIAL and other tip offs to poor writing

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm getting really pissed of with american interpretations of 'Liberal', 'Libertarian' and 'Conservative'

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I also get upset about "N-Word" as well. If you're using it in a critical context, people will understand that. If you're not, then you should have the conviction to let people hear it if you want to say it.

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate "touch base" and "metrosexual"

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

OH come on, let's touch bases.

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, "metrosexual" is possible the lamest noun of the new millenia.

― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Or is it an adjective? I don't know.

― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If my dad wants to agree with something you've said, he says "This is true." It really, really gets me annoyed, for no other reason than overuse as far as I can think.

-- caitlin (wpsal...) (webmail), December 23rd, 2003. (caitlin)

Oh yes, yes yes. I second that one. And the people who say it, say it over and over.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

But Ed, those words have different interpretations in almost every country in which they are used.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I blame the consolidation of global political power and the diminution of class mobility on people who write in the passive voice.

I also have a horror of people who write prolifically in all caps.

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"It must say something about ILX that this is the most repeated topic of all time..."

This is true.

But, this is a topic that should be dealt with routinely and harshly... the only way we can correct the language and suppress it's organic growth is by exposing and banning every new usage as it occurs... Isn't that what the French do?

― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Least favorite (mis)usage ever - "ON accident..." it's BY accident you fucking moron!!

Also: 'fridge,' girls who refer to each other as 'girl,' proactive...i'll be back when i think of more....

― roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, oops, but still it pisses me off.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The recurrence of this topic is always accompanied by the recurrence of complaint about its recurrence.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Space. All this crap about needing space. Fuck off, then.

― Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

All girls must now refer to one another as "guy"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

ok?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Using "Sexy" in a business environment that has nothing to do with sex. As in "this is a very sexy proposal for our company". Well, I guess, if ripping people off is what turns you on.

― BrianB (BrianB), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

'exact same'.

― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"bird" instead of "girl" or "woman". AAAAAARGH.

― Melly E (Melly E), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

When people call each other 'babe' and the completely inappropriate use of the word 'literally'. Also can I add at this point, even if it may not be entirely relevant, the unjustifiable grammatical error in Rachael Stevens' song 'Sweet Dreams My LA Ex' : "accuse me of things I never done." And I've listened hard for "I've never done" to try and give her the benefit of the doubt but she doesn't say it.

― barbara wintergreen, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Begging the question" and "chomping at the bit." The first is almost always used incorrectly, and the second should be "champing," Goddamn it.

― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

or "bits"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

'any way shape or form'. Most heard in full-media-glare denials of misdeeds. Used by dodgy sportsmen who have been 'coached' by their minders for the occasion. It immediately strips the first dozen layers of credibility from whatever statement is being made.

'poetic justice'. Used by the lazy to describe all 'justice' the speaker approves of, instead of a particular type. The adjective is rendered meaningless.

Agree re 'bird' for woman/girl, and lament its threatened return. Stinks of 'I'm being un-PC, where's my medal?'. Also the C-person uses it, which kinda ends the argument.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

optics

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

also photonic inplace of optic

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"the....(insert superlative)...in pop."

― barbara wintergreen, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

To return to the top of the thread, I still after 20 odd years gag on 'outreach' as a VERB....

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the mightily empty "i could care less" variant on being unable to do the same

― ermes marana, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

People who pronounce the word "presentation" as "PRE-sentation".

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

since i was reading some VICIOUS anti- rachael ray sentiment last night and i'm still feelin' the love: "E.V.O.O. EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

"YUM-O"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

cf.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

Also: 'fridge,'

Wait, huh? Fridge is the thing you put food in, whats wrong with it?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

Saying "it impacted on me" instead of "it had an impact on me"... well that's annoying enough but, just recently, I've heard people say "it impacted me" - which surely would only make sense if the speaker was a molar?

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

'fridge,'

I'm picturing him saying things such as "Would you like me to remove another beverage from the refrigerator for you, whilst we watch some association football?"

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

bougie, instead of bourgeois. heard it four times last week.

― naus (Robert T), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

"Chav"

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

bourgie?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

"Yes, sir, I am bougie, I am bougie... etc."

― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

"what the...?"

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bougie

― naus (Robert T), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

"He's on fire"

As used to describe a footballer running into a streak of good form

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

chav, prole, "get one...", but most of all commercials selling relatively expensive goods such as electrcal gubbins, fitted kitchens and the like where people say only "one-nine-nine-nine" instead of "nominally under two thousand quid". do you think not actually saying the proper number is fooling me?!!?!!

― stelf)xxx, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Raft"

When used in phrases like "a raft of policies" or "a raft of new measures" - why?!?!??!!?

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

which surely would only make sense if the speaker was a molar?

Or a colon.

COINKY-DINK, "guestimate," and any time someone ends an interrogative sentence with "at," as in "Where's my keys at?" or "Where's your head at?"

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

"let's unpack that (concept/policy/statement/generalisation)"

"hating on"

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh! Oh! This one REALLY annoyed me the other day:

"Action" used as a verb. (Especially with regards to some annoying little thing I had already been doing.) "Can you please action this?" Actually, no I can't. Action is a noun. If you would like me to DO it, then just ask. Argh.

Especially when coming from the same irritating marketing bods who last week asked me to "manage the relationship" with one of our suppliers. Fuck. Right. Off.

― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh i used to have a PA in the cubicle next to me for a while that said 'diarise' as in 'sure, john is free on tuesday morning, i'll diarise it'. aaaaarrrrggghh

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

"Boss"

A term of address directed at Turkish shopkeepers by 13 year old boys and directed by Turkish shopkeepers at everyone else. The most annoying ever.

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not your fucking boss!!!!!!!!!!

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

"Madam" when used by shop assistants. This kept happening to me yesterday.

DON'T MADAM ME, YOU LITTLE...!!! OK, according to Watching The English, this means that they have socio-status assessed me as middle class or higher. But it irritates me because it makes me feel old.

― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

i like most of these. i just like variety. i do hate 'action', 'impact on, etc, though.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

dude, i call people 'boss'.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want you to think that I obsess over it, but "obsessing over something" as opposed to "being obsessed with/about something"

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

People saying 'momentarily' when what they mean is 'in a moment'.

'Whilst'

― estela (estela), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah i fkn hate 'whilst' and 'amongst'.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

i like whilst too! it's kinda romantic, like 'betwixt'.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

'betwexit' is ok, a girl i liked used it instead of between all the time. but whilst can fuck off.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

"The plane will be taking off momentarily"

"AARRGGHHH!!! I certainly hope it will be taking off longer than that - we're flying to London!"

― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

'betwexit' = betwizzle, obv

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

i bet you all hate 'innit', too. i can't help it! *weeps*

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

u say innit, only to piss people off, though, geez.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

everyone on this thread: get one grip

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

People who say or write 'cliche' when they mean 'cliched'–it's becoming very common and it really annoys me.

― estela (estela), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

everyone on this thread: get one grip

"No can do"

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with the original poster about 'veggies'.

― estela (estela), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Today I'm hating 'power off' and 'power down'. I've heard them said far too many times this morning.

'If I can just ask you to power off your machine'.

What's wrong with switch off?

― Rumpie, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Thanking you" instead of "Thank you". Aaaaaarggggggghhhh!

― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Peeps," for some reason, stirs a visceral reaction in my soul. I loathe it so.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

it's funny because andy's at the top of the thread are the exact things that bug me, too.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

"Literally" improperly used.

The word "proverbial" when overused or when not referencing a proverb but an idiom or cliche. (Correct: "Let's not count our proverbial chickens just yet." Incorrect: "I'm having a proverbial bad hair day.")

Redundancy in general.

Word inflation (i.e. "efficacious" for "effective" or "efficient").

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Diarise? Diarise?!?!?!?????

Add that to my list, please.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I hate that, too. I usually tend to say "colloquial" instead, if it fits.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

most of all commercials selling relatively expensive goods such as electrcal gubbins, fitted kitchens and the like where people say only "one-nine-nine-nine" instead of "nominally under two thousand quid". do you think not actually saying the proper number is fooling me?!!?!!

What sends me apoplectic is THEY'RE NOT SAYING 1999 WHAT!!?!?!!

"This beautiful sofa, only eight four nine."

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe the number of people who I've heard using the word "conversate". It's not a real word!

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

this is hard for me to type out because these words make me ill:

*ragu (as in the spaghetti sauce. I HATE SPAGHETTI!!)

*tabernacle

*salve

*moist

am throwing up in wastebasket now.

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe the number of people who I've heard using the word "conversate". It's not a real word!

AGH! I hate that, too! And The Rapture used it in "Echoes" (the song). It's "converse" you dolts!

― Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

business-english now uses "piece" as a noun that means anything. it's the most annoying thing. "we need our customer service piece to etc..." "we'll get all the pieces in sync and blah blah..." i hate this so so much.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a couple:

(1) People who append "thing" at the end of every sentence. For example, "Are you going to the party thing tonight?" Why add "thing"? My friend theorizes that it's a camp phenomenon, signifying a cooler-than-thou disinterest in the event. It's still unnecessary. Can't you just say, "Are you going to the party tonight?"

(2) When someone announces that they're 'all about [fill in]." What the fuck does that mean?

(3) "Impact" as a verb. IT'S A NOUN! Use "AFFECT"!!!

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote "here's a couple" and listed three items. haha.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I do the thing thing too often. Generally it's when I'm unsure whether I'm using the proper noun for the thing in question. Like, "are you going to that party thing tonight?" shows that I don't really know if it's a true party or not.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Get in"

"Job done"

"Bish bash bosh"

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Andy so OTM at the start of this thread. There's some TV commercial where the announcer talks about the "veggies" in a sandwich or something and it flips some atavistic switch that makes me really want to put his head on a stake, next to the heads of the director, the writer, the account guy, and the client.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Oops, that sounds perfectly reasonable. At least it's not "dealie."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

This one only happens in print, but since when did "everyday" become a substitute for "every day." This also makes me want to kill, slowly and painfully. It's not rocket scientry, morans!

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Cheesy white dudes using "my bad"
Cheesy moms referring to the toilet as "potty"

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

The word potty should be banned.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I was annoyed by that at age 4!

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Jobs a good 'un"
"What's the script with [blah blah]"
"I want to check we're [singing from the same hymn sheet/reading from the same page]"
Pretty much anything Marketing people say. Argh.

― Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

This one only happens in print, but since when did "everyday" become a substitute for "every day." This also makes me want to kill, slowly and painfully. It's not rocket scientry, morans!

ugh, i hate that too.

i don't like "whilst" either although i suspect it may be more "right" in britain than over here -- i dunno though, it sounds like something that would be said by a preening five-year-old girl who wants to impress mum by being all properlike.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

"everyday" as an adjective is a real word; but when people write it this way as a noun i go mental.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

"amongst"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

and especially "muchly"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

and people saying "as" instead of "since" or "because"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

i also really hate it when people call orange juice "O.J."

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

"on the pull"

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

i overheard two people speaking in englsih the other day and one of them said "canada is freaky fucking cold" i controlled myself not to punch him right away

― chupa-cabra, Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

'Cukes' for cucumbers.
'Purple onions' when they're talking about red onions.

STOP TRYING TO BE COOL WITH VEGETABLES

― chrisco (chrisco), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

"canada is freaky fucking cold"

yep, did you know that toronto has the EXACT SAME CLIMATE as ellesmere island?

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

I loathe every one of these words and phrases you have listed and for the very same reasons listed. In particular, marketing buzz words bug the s--t out of me (anyone recall "buzzword bingo" a game played in meetings about 10 years ago?) I also hate "ditto". Ditto is punctuation, not a way to say “I feel the same”! The bastardization of language in general bothers me. I sound like an old fogy, but it disturbs me that kids are learning this crap as acceptable language when it is not acceptable at all. When broadcasters and journalists use it on the air it makes me cringe and I get angry as it perpetuates the myth that these terms are adequate substitutions for legitimate language skills. If it continues, the true language will be lost entirely just from laziness and the fear of offending some segments of the population, from kids to adults of all cultures and races. Why are governments and such so afraid these days to offend? Fear of lawsuits? Or is it excellent PR from cultural preservation groups? What is the deal?

Don’t even get me started on how Ebonics should simply be accepted in schools and not corrected by educators as a politically correct cultural acceptance.

Do you think I feel strongly about this topic? You bet. However, I find myself hypocritical since I use shortcuts in emails and on these posts often; however I would not think of doing it in a business email or conversationally. I'll stand down from my soap-box now.

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

didn't they give up on ebonics (because of all the controversy)?

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

this woman at work says "you welcome" rather than you're welcome about 20 times a day on the phone. i wish i could have her fired.

― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

"Thank you much."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

HAVE A GREAT DAY

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Thank you much."

this doesn't bother me, but it's a little obnoxious when people linger on the "ccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhh" sound at the end.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

"can i help who's next?"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

what's wrong with "may i help the next person?"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

dawg (when used by white people)

whatknot

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

also, when people stupidly misspell annoying words...

'whatnot'

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost: it must be tough being you

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

what's wrong with "may i help the next person?"

There's actually a certain economy to "Can I help who's next?" that makes sense, I think, given the circumstances in which it's usually used. Plus, it allows you to put the stress on the next, since it's at the end, so that if the addressee isn't really paying attention, they'll at least hear "blah blah blah blah NEXT?"

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

valorize
privilege, as a verb
waitperson's questions in present progressive

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost: it must be tough being you

every day is a struggle for survival. < /puts hand to forehead and faints>

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

When people lose their train of thought, pause, and say "Gosh, I gone braindead" makes me want to start ripping out some feeding tubes.

Also, the word "manchild" makes me uncomfortable.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

"Gosh, I gone braindead"

I've never heard this, but I kind of despise "brain fart."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, does anybody properly remember what the Ebonics thing was actually about? Half of the whole point was to say "these kids aren't coming to us speaking standard English; we need to acknowledge the way they speak as another dialect so we can devote time in the curriculum to teaching them standard English as a sort of second language. And maybe get funding for that. And maybe in the meantime just let the language thing go when we're trying to teach them, like, math."

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Brains farting is like white people saying "dawg." Poser brains are trying to co-opt all the cool stuff the butt comes up with.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

There's actually a certain economy to "Can I help who's next?" that makes sense, I think, given the circumstances in which it's usually used. Plus, it allows you to put the stress on the next, since it's at the end, so that if the addressee isn't really paying attention, they'll at least hear "blah blah blah blah NEXT?"

the stressed-"NEXT" part makes sense, it's just the "can i help who's" that makes me tear my hair out.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

People making 5 bucks an hour caught in not using perfect english shocker.

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

"can i help who's next?"

This is great if the next person in line happens to be Pete Townshend.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco OTM re: ebonics. It annoys me how often the idea is misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Dude, does anybody properly remember what the Ebonics thing?"

You used "thing"!

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

AAVE (formerly BVE) has been around as a recognized dialect long before the Ebonics craze -- that was a classic case of the media blowing up a language issue because it's controversial. Does anyone remember when the jogger was attacked in Central Park? There was a media outcry against "wilding." What the kid actually said was that they "did the wild thing." Not that the media outcry over "wilding" and Ebonics is the same, I admit it's a tangent, but what the linguists wanted originally was, iirc, to acknowledge that AAVE has rules and is a verifiable dialect rather than a "bastardization" of English.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

ax anybody...

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also, hate to be pednatic (don't really), but:

cooler-than-thou disinterest in the event

A *lot* of people get this wrong. To be disinterested is not to be uninterested. It's to have a lack of stock in the outcome (ie, "Jack, not a taxpayer himself, remains politically disinterested is this issue."). This does not mean that Jack is uninterested in the issue, but just that he has nothing to gain or lose from it.

― paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

people mix up "un- " and "dis- " and "mis- " all the time! they're not interchangeable!

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

The misspelling 'rediculous', for some reason, bugs me more than any other; I think because I can't work out any sort of phonetic reason for it.

― spontine (cis), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

"I could care less about..."

Then, you're implying that you do care, if not just a little.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

The misspelling 'rediculous', for some reason, bugs me more than any other; I think because I can't work out any sort of phonetic reason for it.

especially since it's an adjective of "ridicule," which i've never seen ANYONE spell "redicule."

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

1) "...As it were."
2) "...if you will."
3) "... the [X] that is [Y]" (e.g.) "The powerhouse that is John Cale."

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

2) "...if you will."

i like "if you'll allow" better.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

SPORTSCASTER: [insert generic inquiry here]
ATHLETE OR COACH: No question about it, [insert generic answer here]

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

it JUST DOESN'T GET any better than this.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Bad usages are legion. So many people should die.
First, we kill the impact-as-verbers. Save impact for meteorites. Impacted for BOWELS.
On a daily basis.
To be perfectly honest (always preceding BIG FAT LIE).
Labor-intensive (childbirth?)
Empowerment.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

only one mention of "proactive"? and by that roger adultery guy

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

the one time i heard someone use the phrase "crunch some numbers" in total seriousness, it required every ounce of my strength to not annihilate him where he stood.

i will also echo the "rediculous" hatred and submit "definately" and all related butcherings of D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y, PEOPLE, for the love of...

― joseph (joseph), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

I hate it when people write 'tow the line' instead of 'toe the line'.

― estela (estela), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

"crunch some numbers" is kinda cute!

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Two things that totally drive me crazy:

1. Seeing "could of" or "should of" or "would of"
2. "The hell with..." - this can't be right. It must be "to hell with...", but I've seen the former version in print so many times I'm starting to wonder. But even if "the hell with..." is somehow correct, I still despise it with all my soul.

― zayats, Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I hate it when people write 'tow the line' instead of 'toe the line'.

here here! (sic)

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Based on this thread, we are all guilty of follies and should be slain.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

It's been said that the disinterested/uninterested distinction is one that was called to attention by Fowler as a pet cause, and it's unknown whether it would be seen as such a bugaboo without his lead.

Geoffrey Nunberg in The Atlantic:

Unbiased and impartial will not do the work that disinterested used to be reserved for. But there is no point making a fuss about this change, because it was forgone that disinterested would lose its older sense once interested lost the sense of "having a stake in," which we retain only in the fixed phrase interested party. Even if disinterested had survived intact, therefore, it would eventually have become one of those curious asymmetric negatives like untoward and disgrace, whose senses are not recoverable as the sum of their parts. Invoking the second criterion, we should be prepared to admit that the fight on behalf of disinterested is a "lost cause," as Trilling described it. This may be an occasion for regret, but indignation would be out of place. Isaac Asimov writes, "I'm very proud of knowing the distinction, and insist on it, correcting others freely." The fact that being familiar with a distinction can be a cause for self-congratulation is, however, reason to eliminate it from the canons of standard usage, which should not be repositories of grammatical arcane.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

I hate people who write "draw" instead of "drawer" (the things you store your cutlery in etc). DRAWER, people. IT ISNT A PEN.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

panties

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

when someone in the uk says 'do the math', my blood starts to boil.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

I could have sworn I posted about my hatred of standard canned office speak such as "can of worms" and "head's up" on here already but I guess that was somewhere else. Also vile: "compelling". FUCK THAT don't tell me that something is "compelling", make it interesting to begin with.

Also, "That being said," and all variations of it. IF YOU WEREN'T RIGHT OR DIDN'T MEAN THE FIRST BIT WHY DID YOU EVEN SAY IT YOU ASSHOLE?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

"one [Person's Name]" -- as in "Walking out of the coffee shop on Tuesday morning was one Spencer Chow." (Usually used to suggest some sort of eyebrow-raising "who should it be but.")

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Kyle, surely you understand the concept of ambivalence?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

"can of worms" is office speak?

I should get a job

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

'No pun intended' annoys me. Usually it's said to someone who didn't intend to pun and can't be bothered with whatever pun is being inferred by the punster.

― estela (estela), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco and Walter: Hey "Dudes", thanks! I went and read again about the ebonics "thing". I see your point. But if you cannot communicate and people cannot communicate with you how can you possibly learn math or anything for that matter?

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of the offending examples in this thread (excepting the marketing-speak) could be perceived as creative/colloquial/regional/whatever language and, while we all have our peeves, may not be incorrect per se.

Language witched up by human resource departments (ew) however, deserves its own special place in the fiery hereafter. I recently got an email at work that proudly held forth on our NEW AND IMPROVED orientation program for new employees...except, instead of boring old "orientation", they're launching the new term "on-boarding". As in, getting someone ON BOARD. If you sat within 20 feet of me you'd have heard teeth grinding, I tells ya.

― Laurel, Friday, 19 August 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Recently, I've been exchanging e-mails with a girl I met online and every message from her contains AT LEAST one "anywho".

― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

"Appies" for appetizers is an expression I loathe and is now so common it's showing up on menus.

― everything, Friday, 19 August 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

Argh I admit I say "that said..." a lot :/

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Usually because yeah I'm ambivalent, or at least trying to indicate I'm open to different POV on an argument. eg "well I think X, but that said, Y seems plausible too, so yeah". Etc.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

people throughout my entire company overuse "due to" and do so incorrectly ALL the time. it makes me want to scream!!!

― tehRZA gibbons (tehresa), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also, "That being said," and all variations of it. IF YOU WEREN'T RIGHT OR DIDN'T MEAN THE FIRST BIT WHY DID YOU EVEN SAY IT YOU ASSHOLE?

i take "that being said" to be an introduction to a follow-up statement, or a proviso. i appreciate the inverted-pyramid-style organization of thought here: lay down the most relevant information first, then start to put your own spin on things.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Appies" for appetizers is an expression I loathe and is now so common it's showing up on menus.

i'm sort of curious about the very english thing of diminutizing (infantilizing?) common nouns. "butty" and "sarnie" and "appie" and "footie" (although "footie" usually refers to aussie rules football, right?) and (to name a few where the diminutizations don't come with any shift in literal meaning) watching "telly," paying the "lecky" bill, getting a new "brolly" as a "pressie," etc.

i know i'm posting this on an "annoys the shit out of you" thread, but i have no problem with any of it!

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

i think all languages might do this though!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

I hate when people say "just deserts" and I know if they had to write it down they'd spell it "desserts." Stupid fuckin' twats. People. I hate 'em. Also, it's not "Custard's" Last Stand. I mean, I'm almost positive some thinks it's "Custard," but it isn't. Okay? It isn't.

― off 'is meds, Friday, 19 August 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what you mean, s/c

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

otm caitlin

― tehRZA gibbons (tehresa), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's late for this, but I really hated the whole "death of irony"/"end of irony" meme. You might say I hated it from ground zero.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

i like this meme, but only in that irony is so tiring. maybe it's less annoying if you aren't surrounded by ironic morons in college.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

"purposely" and "purposefully" are NOT THE SAME WORD, ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE, AND DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING. STOP DOING IT. THANK YOU.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

"good for the soul" NO IT ISN'T

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

why, it's our old friend "nuke-ular"!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

I actually heard some neocon "expert" on C-SPAN pronouncing it new cue lure with clear, evident intent, presumably for wingnut cred. The white fascist equivalent of "axe," I guess...

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

The laid-back place where I work has unfortunately been recently infitrated by a User of Annoying Speech. Recently BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH . . . so just a "HEADS' UP." And later, to another coworker Can you do BLAH BLAH BLAH . . . "ASAP"?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

i like this meme, but only in that irony is so tiring. maybe it's less annoying if you aren't surrounded by ironic morons in college.

-- caitlin oh no (caitx...), August 19th, 2005.

Well, actually, there's some truth to that. But it wasn't college kids repeating this meme, it was journalists. It was like "NOW THAT SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED, CAN WE EVER NOT TAKE EVERYTHING TO BE SOMBER AND SERIOUS AGAIN???" Of course we can you sanctimonious fucks!

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

To use another meme I loathe, LONDON SURVIVED THE BLITZ and they still have irony.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't the more nuanced version of this meme claim that there now exists a "post-ironic" state of mind that is somehow simultaneously sincere and ironic? The future as Andy Kaufman.

By the way...re words what annoy...the shit...out of...

------->"meme"

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

I knew someone was going to bring up "meme". But I find it to be a very useful, if starting-to-be-overused term.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

"purposely" and "purposefully" are NOT THE SAME WORD, ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE, AND DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING. STOP DOING IT. THANK YOU.

matos, once again i say YOU'RE A DOLL.

(i like "meme" too.)

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

i'm happy we're all over doing in-depth investigations of "schadenfreude" now ("wow, did you know there's, like, a TERM for that thing when you're happy about someone's failure? yeah, it's true, a big fancy GERMAN word.")

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

What word did people use before the rather recent Coinage of Meme?

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

"thing"

― gem (trisk), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

i think all languages might do this though!

i don't think american english does it so relentlessly though.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's just it, I think I like "meme" because it feels like the first adequate word to describe what it describes. But maybe I'm forgetting something.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

another one: "presently" doesn't mean "currently."

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

x-meme

This is what I'm wondering. Trend? Fad? Archetype? Cultural development? Idea?

I do concede that maybe, just maybe, this is a case of a new word engendering new thoughts. A meme meme. If you will. As it were.

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

the verb "trending"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

outside of juicy statistical research projects, that is.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

"the heartland"
"real americans" (where "real americans" are straight white christians who don't live in major cities and who aren't very bright)

and any variations of same.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

i knew there was one i was forgetting: "all-american" (wtf does this MEAN?)

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of political terms:

"Values Voter" (as if people vote on anything else)

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

also "Limousine Liberal" - doubly annoying because it suggests that there is some inherent contradiction in being rich and liberal, and its usage suggests that this is actually a significant demographic.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

i hate "limousine liberal" too. did the libertarians invent that one?

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

HOMELAND SECURIY

why? why not American Security, U.S. Security, of just plain Security.

What are the cultural ramifications of this antiquated, underused, in the contxt of this country, phrase being given new life.

Homelands are where people come from, they are not the new, shiny America. But homelands are often under siege, is this why it must be Homeland Security, so we will realize the great importance of the endeavor. If it way US Security, would we not feel so comforted, protected.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god, I hated the "homeland" so much when it was first introduced; that I haven't thought about in a while is even worse - it means I've gotten used to it.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

That reminds me, a few months ago, there was a news story about a fraud where a guy had gotten people to invest in a device that was supposed to be a "biological attack detector" -- in fact it was nothing but a filing cabinet with a flashing light on top.

That's exactly what the Homeland Security dept. is.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

a device that was supposed to be a "biological attack detector" -- in fact it was nothing but a filing cabinet with a flashing light on top

in other news...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/images/300-HSAS-Chart.jpg

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

But if you cannot communicate and people cannot communicate with you how can you possibly learn math or anything for that matter?

That's why Ebonics proponents wanted the state to provide more funding to teach these students English just like it funds ESL programs for kids who speak only Spanish.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

funding is funding is funding, but i'm still weirded out by the implication that if you speak "ebonics," english is your second language.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

(also the implication that all black americans have the exact same speech patterns no matter what part of the country they live in or what their ethnic background is.)

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

"it's unaustralian"

― gem (trisk), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

I just heard that one a few minutes ago! It's only used ironically around here. It's almost used as a term of approval. 'If it's Unaustralian, it's worth doing', that's my motto.

― moley (moley), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

used ironically is completely fine. but i just read it in an article in the oz about parliament house security officers being banned from using the word 'mate' to address visitors to parly house. in that context it shits me.

― gem (trisk), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

I thought only Americans used that un-nation-like construction.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

we learned it from them

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

As much as I hate the term "unamerican" (and should you capitalize the A in the middle of the word?), hearing the term with some other nation sounds much sillier, which I guess is a product of my American prejudices. When someone says "Unamerican" it sounds like they mean corrupt, debased, without values. But Unaustralian just makes me think of violating some quaint, peculiar national character.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

That's right. The term is particularly egregious when used by our Prime Minister.

― moley (moley), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://spencer.lib.ku.edu/exhibits/25th/kc50b.jpg

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

"unamerican" (and should you capitalize the A in the middle of the word?)

there should definitely be a hyphen in between, otherwise it looks like "unabomber." (heh heh.)

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://spencer.lib.ku.edu/exhibits/25th/kc55b.jpg

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Neither of those typefaces is genuine Futura. Each is a devious impersonation.

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

the british habit for diminution i think rather bespeaks a fondness for their own language that americans appear to lack totally

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure how much the folks who pushed Ebonics into the limelight were very interested in how it might apply on a national scale. I'm not sure they fully thought through the massive implications their program would have for race and culture and education as ideas. I'm not sure they all particularly made sense or had very good arguments about the whole issue. But at root, as a kind of everyday fix for their particular classrooms, the idea wasn't in the least irrational. They were asked to teach students in standard English, and a significant portion of their students didn't really speak standard English. If these students had spoken, say, Spanish, their teachers would have been given money and time to concentrate on bringing them up to speed with standard English. So ... you give the dialect they do speak a name. You classify it as something distinct from standard English -- the same way employers and college admissions officers are going to -- and you acknowledge that you need to spend time teaching them a kind of language that's not yet their own.

I mean, this is just a pet peeve of mine -- the fact that the whole thing was interpreted as some attempt to not teach kids standard English, to be "tolerant" and just say they speak a different language and that's fine. Whereas the actual root of the program was to acknowledge that they did need to be taught standard English, just as much as someone who doesn't speak any kind of English at all.

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

And Tracer that's just not true! Americans love toying with the English language. You've spent time in the South, you should be all over that!

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

I hate that, too. I usually tend to say "colloquial" instead, if it fits.

If you're a geek among geeks, you can get away with 'canonical' - generally meaning 'definitive' - in that context.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

In a similar vein to limousine liberal, I loathe "chattering classes" for liberals here. This implication that lefties sit back on their overpaid arses drinking coffee and making uninformed armchair criticisms of politics and morality shits me up the WALL. "Chardonnay set" is another.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

"that's what I'm talking about"
the syntax of "it's a [adjective] [noun], that". sorry Ned.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

Footie is British for soccer.

I have never heard the word 'appie' in my life. Are we sure that the original poster is English?

1. Seeing "could of" or "should of" or "would of"

Bizarrely, this brings on the rage in me like nothing else on this thread. I shouldn't be mad, because 99% of the time, it's like Draw/Drawer, it's just someone who's never seen the word/phrase in print.

Based on this thread, we are all guilty of follies and should be slain.

Yes.

When someone says "Unamerican" it sounds like they mean corrupt, debased, without values.

Socialist, with compassion for their fellow humans, lacking true faith in the free market, internationalist....

Though you're right, unaustralian is just fucking funny.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm amazed that I've met (and worked) with people who think "thankyou" is one word! Hard to believe I know but...

In general, Americanisms perpetrated by British people are always annoying - I've heard people say "on the weekend" instead of "at the weekend" for instance.

― Diddyismus (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

for free

― Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

People that go really far out of their way to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

corny

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

(3) "Impact" as a verb. IT'S A NOUN! Use "AFFECT"!!!

"Negative... It did not go in. Just affected on the surface." ?

nah....

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Action" used as a verb. (Especially with regards to some annoying little thing I had already been doing.) "Can you please action this?"

Haha that's horrible! Maybe you should reply with something like "Sure, I'll letter you when I've computered the data so we can recruitment the people needed"?

(Scary thought: within too long that may not seem as ridiculous as it does now)

― OleM (OleM), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

"Negative... It did not go in. Just impacted on the surface." ?

nah....

Nah (times google)

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

"chillax"

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

I work in marketing and gleefully use many of these - thankyou for "on-boarding" Lauren, I have noted it down!

The main problem with business writing isn't neologism - it's a kind of stiff, flowless formality. People come into business, think "hmm this is serious writing, when was the last time I did serious writing, oh yes..." and so everything is written in the passive-voice style of a GCSE science project.

Meanwhile back vaguely on topic, comics PR continually uses the phrase "bring their A game", eg. Todd Retch promises to bring his A game to his run on LADY JUGS. I assume it's born out of a deep-seated worry comics creators have about being bad at sports (this is also why Chris Claremont wrote 10,000 boring softball scenes in the X-Men).

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

chillax sounds funny!
i likes it.

how about 'twirl'? does that bother anyone? surely it's an amalgm of twist and swirl?

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

twirl's a real word, dude.

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not denying that. but it most probably originates from those two words. i'm just saying that perhaps combining two words to make a new one isn't quite modern fad it's made out to be.

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Political rhetoric

"... EVER SINCE 9/11."

― elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have never heard the word 'appie' in my life.

whew. i'm relieved that that one in particular isn't common usage.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

People deliberately pronuouncing "Muslim" as "Muss-lim", even tho "Muz-lim" is a perfectly acceptable pronunciation, because that's how Muslims pronounce it

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Dada, for real? But but...as long as it's not a situational affectation, what's wrong with trying to be less erm, ignorant?? Argh, there's too much to unpack, here. Assuming the Americanized/Anglicized pronunciation is "more ignorant" in the first place, which may be where we differ. I kind of think it is, by a particular definition.

Someone from work once got into a snit with a woman from Iran at a dinner party, because apparently my colleague likes to pronounce it "eye-ran" as opposed to "ear-ahn" and she objected to having the difference pointed out to her. That has got to be one of the smallest-minded things I've ever heard. Made me want to say: You do realize that she's FROM THERE, right?

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have noticed that americans tend to play fast and loose with vowels.

― Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I get really riled when people describe themselves as "chocoholics"
Most people like chocolate, you're not special for eating chocolate and enjoying it!

Obviously if there is anyone with an actual physical addiction to chocolate i have nothing but sympathy for them

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Dada, for real? But but...as long as it's not a situational affectation, what's wrong with trying to be less erm, ignorant??

What's ignorant about it? We're speaking English not Arabic here or else every time I said Paris, for instance, i'd be pronouncing it Par-ee.

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Mind you, Eye-raq for Iraq - I hate that! Eye-ran is even worse!

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Actually the "-holics" suffix sort of grates in general, because the "hol" part is carried over from "alcohol" even when it doesn't make sense in its new context. (I think The Simpsons skewered this once: someone accused Homer of being a rageaholic, and he said, "You're right, I just can't live without rageahol!") Same goes for the "-gate" suffix in any current-events scandal.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

What's ignorant about it? We're speaking English not Arabic here or else every time I said Paris, for instance, i'd be pronouncing it Par-ee.

OTM. I can't stand people who say KRAHFT-VAIRK and BYERK.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I just think foreign language pronunciations are fun and people should be encouraged to remember that there are lots of places where things are said/done differently. Which doesn't really have anything to do with anything on-topic.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

i agree with laurel. jaymc also otm about "-oholics."

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

But wait, what if you met someone, and he told you his name and it required un-American-Heartland pronunciation rules -- would you mangle it on principle just because YOU don't SPEAK Farsi or whatever? For me this is a respect issue: names is names. So "muslim/moslem" isn't a proper name, granted, but I think there's some latitude.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

the fairly new phenomenon of everyone with a keen interest in something calling himself a "geek" -- that's gotta go.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Actually the "-holics" suffix sort of grates in general, because the "hol" part is carried over from "alcohol" even when it doesn't make sense in its new context. (I think The Simpsons skewered this once: someone accused Homer of being a rageaholic, and he said, "You're right, I just can't live without rageahol!") Same goes for the "-gate" suffix in any current-events scandal.

From the Onion: "I'm Like a Chocoholic, But For Alcohol"

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I must be pretty immune to these annoyances, as I read this thread and mostly just think, "Gah, get over it, language is fluid," but one that I've seen lately that really bugs me is "preznit" instead of "president." Is this supposed to imply some kind of disrespect or belief in the illegitimacy of Bush's presidency? Because it just makes you look like an idiot.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

OTM. I can't stand people who say KRAHFT-VAIRK and BYERK.

i say "krahft - verk," cuz that's how it's pronounced, and cuz i HATE the americanized dumbing-down of it ("creeeeeyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaft - work" with a nasal short "a"). i say "byork," one syllable, rhymes with "new york." can't stand it when people pronounce it as "beeeee - york." why is the "byuh" sound so difficult? i get annoyed when people say "kuh - nish" instead of "knish" as well.

n/a, language is fluid, but that doesn't excuse people from being dumb.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

is it really wrong not to want to let the dumb people win?

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Mispronouncing words and/or having an accent != dumb.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

yes it does.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

cmon, it's SO EASY to just pay attention to the world around you. if you don't, you're dumb.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

this thread should, really, have been locked or moderated a lot, long ago

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

There's a town in northeast Arkansas called Waldenberg, and it's just more fun to pronounce it with a V!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

i say "krahft - verk," cuz that's how it's pronounced, and cuz i HATE the americanized dumbing-down of it ("creeeeeyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaft - work" with a nasal short "a").

I just feel like this is a little silly. Like when someone's speaking English and they say the word "Guatemala" but they do the guttaral 'g'/hard 't' "correct" pronunciation, it seems way more affected than just speaking with an American accent (oh no, Americans with American accents!).

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

what's to be gained from dumbing it down?

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

"Muslim" is a word in the English langauge, yes, it was originally from Arabic but it's now an English word - like Kayak or something... and you don't pronounce that with an Inuit accent

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

this may be the wrong thread for what i'm about to say, but i'm soooo fucking sick and tired of people who are proud of their ignorance making excuses for never wanting to learn anything.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

i say "krahft - verk," cuz that's how it's pronounced ... i say "byork," one syllable, rhymes with "new york."

So why don't you pronounce Bjork like it's pronounced, too? (Rhymes with "work.")

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

French people don't say "hamburger," they say "'amboorgare." Is that 'incorrect'? No, it's a French version of an English word, just like "Crayaftwork" or whatever is an English version of a German word.

xpost, first of all, it's not "dumbing it down," that's what I'm trying to say. Secondly, what's gained is not having to overanalyze and correct how people naturally speak and just letting them communicate, which is what language is for in the first place.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

"kayak" is a word in english because the people who write the english dictionaries say so and they went into an office and talked it out and came up with a "correct" english pronunciation.

So why don't you pronounce Bjork like it's pronounced, too? (Rhymes with "work.")

i don't wanna overdo it. plus, i hate bjork. fuck her.

French people don't say "hamburger," they say "'amboorgare." Is that 'incorrect'?

yes.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

No it isn't if you're French

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

No, it's a French version of an English word

Or a French version of an English version of a German word.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

"kayak" is a word in english because the people who write the english dictionaries say so and they went into an office and talked it out and came up with a "correct" english pronunciation.

Errrrrrrrrrrr, not really how these things work you'll find

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I just take into account what the majority of educated people say. The majority of Americans say CRAFT-WORK, so that's what I say. It's not like I intentionally say "Jack Chy-rack" when referring to the French president -- nobody actually says that, even if it's "more American-sounding."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen lately that really bugs me is "preznit" instead of "president." Is this supposed to imply some kind of disrespect or belief in the illegitimacy of Bush's presidency? Because it just makes you look like an idiot.

Yeah, it's stupid and annoying. It's like spelling crazy with a k.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Lately: "thot" or "thort" for "thought." Looks stupid.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://homepage2.nifty.com/fattytaka/photopeggy006400.gif vs http://vision.york.ac.uk/articles/135/politics/images/bush.jpeg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

(Björk vs BORK)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I say "kraftwerk"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Let's just not mention her name at all, it's easier that way

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Foreign-word pronunciation: for me it basically depends whether you're being asked to make sounds that aren't in the everyday range of the English language. With Iran, for instance, there's no reason not to say it properly, or at least near-properly. Both syllables are fairly normal ones for Americans to pronounce; you're not asked to put on any sort of matching accent or add any non-domestic flourishes. It's simply a matter of knowing (or not-knowing) how it's meant to be pronounced.

Whereas with Kraftwek you are kind of asked to make some unusual sounds -- and, in the case of the "kraaaft-vairk" types Jaymc is talking about, to affect an unfamiliar method of pronouncing familiar phonemes. So I tend to say "craft - verk," which, when pronounced American-English style, is almost completely indistinguishable from "craft - work."

I.e. rule = if you can say it naturally in your normal English-based speaking voice, then do it. If you can't, don't sweat it. (Though I'm never particularly annoyed by people who know how to say things "right," unless they seem to be making a big show of it.)

(This reminds me of my high school civics teacher, who'd get on all the Mexican students' cases about Americanized pronunciation: "Your name is not Flow-rez, it is FlorES!")

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also reminds me of the prof I had in college who ran with the old-school British pedagogical condition of willfully mispronouncing all foreign words as they'd be in written English, so that midway through a very erudite lecture the whole class looked up: "Did he just say 'Don Quick-sote?'"

NB my rule on this is informed by the fact that there is a hard S sound in my name that I can successfully pronounce on maybe 10% of attempts, and even then only if I let myself sound like a total jackass trying. I certainly can't expect other people to say it properly, so the most I ask is that people say things as well as they can within their usual phonetic sets.

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I say Kraftwerk but sometimes I say Kroftvaerk in a robot voice just to amuse myself. On the other hand I say Vim Venders and feel really stupid doing it but I feel equally stupid saying Wim Wenders. You can't vin.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

who here today was told to shoot an email over to someone, or at someone? did you have to adjust your aim?

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

The only other thing I'm going to say is that you're all going to have ulcers by the time you're 35.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

n/a OTM. Let it go. It seems like another way to be a judgmental snob. And there are so many better ways.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

My mind is a blank.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand I say Vim Venders and feel really stupid doing it but I feel equally stupid saying Wim Wenders.

Haha, see I totally say Vim Venders, because I've never ever heard anyone pronounce those W's Anglo-style.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Reading discussions of pronunciation that do not involve the IPA.

TORTURE.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Put a schwa on my keyboard and then we'll talk.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

word. you can download IPA fonts from SIL.org. i'm not sure they're going to work in here.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Rereading the word "schwa": are there any other five-letter words where the only vowel is in the fifth position? Odd.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

schmo

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

schtick and other words starting with scht- and schn-

twelfth is the only word that has ccvccc, i think. (/th/ is one phoneme)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

ps - i meant to add "in English" -- i cannot speak for all of the world's languages.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

oops. those aren't word-final vowels. nevermind.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

xpost right, okay

"Schmo" is good. Amanda, I said "five-letter words." The thing that's interesting about it to me is that the vowel is at the very end and nowhere else.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

that's why i said oops. oooooooooooooooops. oopsie. whoops!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I know, I just typed that out, though, and didn't want to delete it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

six-letter word="shrdlu"

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

I cheated and used dictionary.com. Interestingly, schwa is German from Hebrew and schmo is yiddish so there are probably similar words elsewhere in Yiddish, German or Hebrew.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I catch myself saying a lot of things that really annoy me, but these are some that I hate way too much to ever say:

"Up-side the head"

Anything with the word "munch" as the root.

when people type the words "sigh", or "shrug". If you went through the trouble to type 'shrug', maybe it kind of negates the whole fucking thing?

When people say or type "gotcha".

"Howdy"
"Okeedokee"

Any catchphrases from old comedies such as Wayne's World, Ace Ventura, or Austin Powers, will cause me to reconsider our friendship.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Anything with the word "munch" as the root.

munchkin?

NOT! (as if.)

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

when people type the words "sigh", or "shrug". If you went through the trouble to type 'shrug', maybe it kind of negates the whole fucking thing?

Oh, if this thread were about annoying internet words and phrases, I would have much more to contribute here.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

In general, Americanisms perpetrated by British people are always annoying - I've heard people say "on the weekend" instead of "at the weekend" for instance.

But Americans don't say "on the weekend" (which strikes me as interchangeable with "at the weekend" in its Britishness); they say, "over the weekend."

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

one that I've seen lately that really bugs me is "preznit" instead of "president." Is this supposed to imply some kind of disrespect or belief in the illegitimacy of Bush's presidency?

no. it has a very specific origin, and came into use by members of a community who understood and referred back to that origin. it implies, if anything, disrespect for the hands-off approach the media takes with respect to the administration.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

here's what i'm missing on kraftwerk - isn't the German word derived from the English? aren't they the ones pronouncing it wrong in the first place?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

um, no.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

naw, it means "power station" in German

― The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh shit, it just occurred to me that my screen name should be pronounced Valter. Good thing I've never had occasion to say it out loud.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

does kraftwerk mean something other than craftwork? i've never felt reverential about the band, so i see no need to be reverential about the name. (xpost, i see)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

perhaps many who pronounce it in Americanized fashion make the same mistake i did

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure the american homophone was not lost on Messers Hutter & Florian.

― The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

er, Schnieder

― The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

KRAFTWERK? I LOOOOVE KRAFTWERK!

http://www.mcb.com.hk/online/image/upload/9/power_station.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Bang a gong, get it on.

― The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

"Free pass," as in "How come I get attacked for supposed intolerance towards hip-hop when everyone gives rappers a free pass on their misogyny?"

The claim is invariably a lie.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

the plural of breakfast is breakfasses.

― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

I am dearly hoping all the people defending using american/english prons for things like bjork and kraftwerk also say "grand pricks". Please please :D That'd make me day.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

No, Americans pronounce it "NASCAR."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

nuk-u-lur instead of nu-cle-ar

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

i use "Preznit" and "Dubya" all the time, both as a sign of disdain and as a reference to both the original incident(almost 2 years ago) and to the way that the guy has deliberately emphasized his accent and speaking style in an effort to do the "folksy/man-of-the-people/anti-intellectual" thing.

plus, i get a kick out of incorporating speech patterns into text, which is why i use "alla", "gunna", "I'ma", etc.

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

"gotcha"?

you're going too far, still

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Prix = easily pronounceable in American English terms! It all comes down to "pronunciation" versus "accenting," basically. We don't do the accenting part just because that's how it's "supposed" to be said, because if we did, we'd have to do fake English accents to say "Emma Bunton" and talk about "Jun May-ja" and "Bessment Jocks." People should pronounce everything as properly as they can without straining -- the German w/v thing, for instance, not exactly difficult -- but I don't think there's anyplace on Earth where they actually try to pronounce things the way they're pronounced where they're from.

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

I.e. I have a carefully worked out fence-straddling system for this issue.

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

i use "Preznit" and "Dubya" all the time, ... as a sign of disdain

See, the thing is that he would probably like being called these names.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

there's that, but it's also easier to type without just writing out "The President" or falling back on the more gauche "Bush."

what term SHOULD be employed when referring to the current commander-in-chief?

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Resident

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

N-s-h: how exactly is your name supposed to be pronounced? I think we've gone through this before, but I remember not the outcome.

Moving along, I've just read the 9-11 Commission Report, and can report that government employess pepper their speech with an unhealthy number of sports eulogisms. I've just returned the book to the library, so can't unpack all of the gems, but first and foremost, our Preznit (in defereence to N/A) expressing dissatisfaction with the early geopolitical politics: "I'm tired of playing offense, I want to play defense." Ha ha, I can just hear him saying that with a bit of a whine. Anyway, so many other CIA/FBI/Condi-types also reverted to these type of anologies when discussing world-wide matters of tremendous import. It made me happy that I haven't sought out a career as an operative.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Er, reverse, the positions of the offense and defense for the exact quote, please.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

what about POTUS?

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like POTUS: it sounds so smugly insider-y to me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Huuuuuuuuge x-post to the thread starter: "veggies"?!? how goddamned uptight are you??

Anyway the quite intelligent and eloquent Nabisco said:
If these students had spoken, say, Spanish, their teachers would have been given money and time to concentrate on bringing them up to speed with standard English.

Ahhh-hahaha. As a former teacher of both documented ESL students and non-documented "BVE" students I can say that teachers are provided with neither time and money to teach either. Perhaps, though, this is because I live and taught in Texas. . .

My ESL kids (and I had every single one of them in the school, me, the least experienced in the Language Arts dept.) were one of the six groups whose test performance determined our school's rating by the state. Said rating determined school funding and teacher raises. Some of the other groups included "at-risk" and "below federal poverty-line". I feel safe in asserting all of my "BVE" students fell into one of the latter two categories.

Bottom line. . .each group of students had the same extent of ground to cover in learning standard English. However the ESL students had a much greater cultural motive. They were largely first- and second-generation immigrants and becoming bilingual was very important to them. My African-American students rarely left the neighborhood unless it was to go to S1x Flags. They didn't really see the point in learning to make subjects and verbs agree since the only people they knew who talked that way were teachers and judges. And besides their cousin went to community college and she only got her GED.

America is a very soul-crushing place.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like POTUS: it sounds so smugly insider-y to me

exactly!

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds like an imported root.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

What, praytell, is POTUS?

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

President of the United States. . .

I'd like to point out I only know this b/c of the band with the "Lump" song b/c they also had a song called "Kitty" which I liked quite a bit. . .

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

I also dont know whats wrong with "veggies" and more to the point was a bit miffed that "too australian" maybe suggests we speak like idiots :(

― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

what term SHOULD be employed when referring to the current commander-in-chief?

Shrubya.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 20 August 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

If you have a suitable font, this should probably print a schwa:

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 20 August 2005 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

(it works for me)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 20 August 2005 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

Shrubya.

ding ding ding. okay, this wins.

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 20 August 2005 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

we'd have to do fake English accents to say "Emma Bunton" and talk about "Jun May-ja" and "Bessment Jocks."

Except no English person pronounces them that way (er, so how do Yanks pronounce ""Emma Bunton"" exactly?). Otherwise I agree with you.

Definitely Grand Pree and Byerk, but then again Craft Work. But pronouncing all foreign, especially French, words and names with really emphasising the accent ("A Year in Prov-ONCCCE") is just such a middle-class affectation. Calling a restaurant a rest-eau-ROOONHHH and so on. Jeh-rarrhd Deh-pAH-DEUUUHHHH. Boo-lehh-VAHHHHHHDEUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
I mean, fucking hell...

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

"Vincent Van GOCCCHHHH"

http://www.bschool.nus.edu.sg/staff/bizcjh/movie_files/image141.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

my friend dr vick - who is dutch - gets cross bcz posh english ppl ties themselves in knots pronouncing french and italian correctly then don't even slightly bother with dutch (viz VAN GO!!) (hint: there's a REASON it's called flemish you know)

my personal rule is: say what is funniest at the time of saying (eg GRAND PRICKS is ALWAYS FUNNY!) (= they are knobheads who drives cars fast and WHO CARES!)

"restaurant" = "ress-tront"
also from now on: BESSMENT JOCKS

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Re "language is fluid": yes it is, and its flow is ahem dialectically determined BOTH by those who make new words and wilful or ignorant mistakes AND those of us who like to complain and attempt to stem these changes!

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh oh i forgot the only thing in the entirety of all galactic language formation which annoys me is the phrase "a cup of joe"

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

"community"

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Saturday, 20 August 2005 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

YO MAMA

I met a girl recently who always says this! I love her to death, but it's starting to annoy me!!! She always tries to make some kind of "mama" joke after it. oh..........

― Aja (aja), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder why?

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

"...unless it isn't."

(in critical/cultural discourse following assertion "X is true...")

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

"...as it happens..."

(au courant journalistic convenience for making contrived conclusion read like casual observation)

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's rare to hear, but i'm unsually amused when people say "andaconda".

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

grammar nazis annoy the shit out of me

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

"[anything] nazis"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hi, I'm new. Living in New Jersey, there's a couple NJ-centric phrases that drive me nuts....

"Not for nuthin'"
When used as a preface, this can be translated as: "although my next comment comes unsolicited, please pay attention because it is germane to the topic at hand."
IE "Not for nuthin, but nobody wears acid wash jeans anymore."

"The City"
Referring to New York City
"You going into the city tonight?"

But the worst, which isn't just in NJ, is when people misuse the term "penultimate." It's not a larger, more powerful version of ultimate. You can't say, "Dude, Eruption is the penultimate guitar solo." Penultimate means second to last. So while you can say "There's only one burger left, I just ate the penultimate one," you cannot say "That burger is so good, it's the penultimate burger."

― Anyone For Newcomb?, Saturday, 20 August 2005 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

On a modernist/postmodernist literary group I'm in, one person said that Tristram Shandy was 'the penultimate postmodern novel'. I asked him what the last one was.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 20 August 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

my father says "not for nuthin'" ALL THE TIME. usually preceding a smartass though well-meaning but ultimately mundane observation ("y'know, not for nuthin', but uh, it's 100 degrees outside and you're wearing JEANS!")

― joseph (joseph), Sunday, 21 August 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

you people are completely uptight

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 21 August 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

"Not for nuthin'"

note: with Howard Stern being nationally syndicated for years, he's helped plenty of NY/NJ speech patterns spread across the land. This phrase is one of 'em.

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 21 August 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

People misunderstand "penultimate" as better than ultimate? What the hell?

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 August 2005 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

The word "snarky" makes me sick. I also hate it when people say "whuuuut?" when they hear something that offends them. Then they'll call it "problematic."

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Sunday, 21 August 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

People misunderstand "penultimate" as better than ultimate? What the hell?

I think this is pretty common!

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 21 August 2005 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

It's certainly spreading, yes.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 August 2005 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

So is everyday-as-noun. Just means more knobs to line against the wall when the pedantariat seize power!

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 21 August 2005 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all for being elastic with the language - I mean I love ee cummings and Joyce and the like - but really, completely misunderstanding the meaning of a word is just wrong.

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 August 2005 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

the ultimate one = last one ever = you are sad after

the penultimate one = there is more to come which may be better = you are shivery w.hot anticipation = better than the ultimate one

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 21 August 2005 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

QED

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 21 August 2005 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

"That's X hours of my life I'll never get back."

I can't tell whether this annoys me more because it's become a stupid cliche, or because I dislike thinking of aesthetic experiences (it's usually used in reference to movies) as wastes of time. The notion that a piece of art owes you something is particularly noxious to me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

OTM. I hear this at least once a day and it makes me homicidal.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

"alot," unless you intended to say "allot" and you just misspelled it.

also, "so, therefore"

I know a guy who vehemently hates "kudos."

― emilys. (emilys.), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's not suggesting it owes you something, is it? it's being pissed off that you made a stupid decision to go and watch some piece of shit film and you could've been doing something good.

― emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe no-one's mentioned the abuse of "in terms of" yet. It's become a plague; a catch-all solution for when people are too inarticulate to put two parts of a sentence together.

― Crackity (Crackity Jones), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Give me an example of what you're talking about.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

fauxhemian OTM with "whatnot". I wince when I hear someone say it.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

I briefly dated a girl who, instead of "whatnot," said "whatsuch." I think I thought it was cute at the time.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

My guess is that it would've gotten old if you'd kept dating. We have a couple of "value-added" guys in this office. They're lucky I don't carry a weapon.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

K THANX BYE

if its been mentioned upthread, it deserves mentioning again

― daavis sztaayenszz, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

The inexcusable "copacetic" is still the stoner guy big vocab word.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Completely! My old perma-baked landlord would end off every conversation we had with it.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

INEXCUSABLE! THERE IS NO EXCUSE!

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

"out and about" - I can't be bothered to check and see if it's been mentioned upthread.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

" can't be bothered to check and see if it's been mentioned upthread."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

oooh cutting

― dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry. I just don't really understand why some people can't use CTRL + F. It takes about as long to use as it does to type out the phrase "I can't be bothered to check and see if it's been mentioned upthread."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

profiles of actresses that begin by saying "[X] is funny, smart..."

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

A girl I had a huge crush on used to say "Cool beans!" I momentarily fell out of love with her each time.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I describe things as being "rubbish" far too often.

― Zoe Espera (Espera), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

'asshat' is just stupid. like a beacon for nerds to attract other nerds.

― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm amused by "asshat," though I am not an "asshat" user.
Here's what pissed me off today. It seems subtle—maybe I was just in a bad mood. A slightly shrill woman in the car parked next to me kept saying, in response to something her softer-voiced companion had said, "Not a problem!" She said it three times, and all I could think was, what she is really saying is YES IT IS A PROBLEM!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

"Nosh" - such an unappetizing word.

― Markovitz, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

I used to think I got annoyed about stupid things

I will probably think I get annoyed about stupid things, again, at some point

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

radicalized.

― jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

drinkin' from a bag

― Drinkin' From A Bag, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Whenever I tell my mother that pizza is oily, she describes the cheese as "weeping." All I can think of when she says this is weeping sores. I find both usages gross and irritating.

― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

Weeping is a technical cooking term!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

People using fake webadresses in the conversation: "He complained about my music, and I was like: www.getafuckinglife.com" RAAAAHHHH!!!

― Eva van Rein (Gaia1981), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

People really say that? It seems like it would be so unwieldy to say. Unless there's some abbreviated way of saying "doubleyoodoubleyoodoubleyoodot" that all the kids are into nowadays.

― pr00de, where's my car? (pr00de), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

"Incent" is awful awful marketing speak, a neologism used simply to avoid the connotations associated with the correct term, "incite."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not really sure if I hate the word preggers.

One I really loathe: OTM.

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

Thisd may be a local thing, but it bugs the shit outta me because I wasn't raised here. "Oh, you're fine." Like, when you're in the aisle of a store and you do that little dance when someone else is in the aisle and you're not sure who is going to go which way - and you say "excuse me.." and the proper response are:
"excuse me" or just a friendly smile or a laugh, standing to the side to yield, some stupid comment about dancing, etc....

The response "Oh, you're fine" pisses me off. Goddamned right I'm fine.

― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

We're all ready to blow, here. And rightfully so. If just a few of these annoying buzzword-spouters got smacked around for their laziness...
Well, what then?
The SALVATION OF POLITE SOCIETY WOULD IN IN THE BAG.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

everyone here has been radicalized.

― jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

I hate "moreish" and "to die for". Although I like things that are described as such. Who wouldn't?

― bg (creamolafoam), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

"you're fine" brings back fond memories.

my friend proposed saying "world wide web" instead of "doubleyoudoubleyoudoubleyou" for www, since it's more accurate and a third the syllables. hasn't caught on, though.

― carly (carly), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

wuhwuhwuh

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Here they tried to make "apestaartje" popular, as a replacement for at (as in stevienixed at gmail.com). Apestaartje=monkeytail.

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

my friend proposed saying "world wide web" instead of "doubleyoudoubleyoudoubleyou" for www

I know someone who says "wih-wih-wih".

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

xpost :-)

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Cola de Mono (monkey tail), the delicious Chilean holiday drink. Like a White Russian, with pisco instead of vodka.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

"On a mission" as applied by my university hallmates to just about bloody everything - going to a 'Megadog', shopping, cleaning the house, replacing bog roll and so on. It's been 10 years since I last saw them and I should be over it, but still - Nnnnng!!!!

― thr (thr), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Weeping is a technical cooking term!
-- Casuistry (chri...) (webmail), Yesterday 11:48 PM. (Chris Piuma)

I'm not saying that it's somehow illegitimate. I'm saying that it annoys the shit out of me (see thread title).

― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

"I was curious whether..."

"I was curious if..."

"I'm curious whether..."

"I'm curious if..."

Just ask the fucking question, curious george!

― Scrupulous, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

"unpack" and its variations w/r/t to rewriting music reviews.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Reminds me of a couple of Blairisms I'd happily never hear again -

"I say to you that..."

"I put it to you that..."

xpost

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I know someone who says "wih-wih-wih".

I've said dub-dub-dub before. I feel a little silly, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Sc0ut association info at dub dub dub dot dib dib dib dot com

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

"unpack" and its variations w/r/t to rewriting music reviews.

On a similar note, the entire fucking liner notes to the Sonic Youth "Daydream Nation" CD.

Curious

Just overheard: "I'm curious if I can ask you some questions. On your website I see [A] and I was curious to know if [B]."

If I was the person on the other end, I would've said, "You're curiosity will never be satisfied if you don't learn to start asking questions!" and hung up.

― Haha, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

*I* say "dubdubdub." Shall we do it with CONFIDENCE next time?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

my friend proposed saying "world wide web" instead of "doubleyoudoubleyoudoubleyou" for www, since it's more accurate and a third the syllables. hasn't caught on, though.

When we first started giving web addresses over the air in the late nineties, my sportstalk show would say "Go to the three double-yews, dot, at ksyg, dot, com..."

David Letterman used to crack me up when spelling URL's.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

David Dimbleby used to frequently stumble over the full url of Question Time, now he says something like "Go to the bbc-web-site-slash-Question-Time" which I like, as it assumes knowledge. Sometimes he doesn't even bother with that and just says "it's on the screen now~~and I don't care if you're blind~~."

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

FRIGHTENED NOW.

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1261700.jpg

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

WTF IS THAT

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to put it on PC gone mad but it is poshandbecks as maryandjoseph. HURL.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

That exhibit also had George Bush as a wiseman. HA.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

"nookie"

"troubadour"

NNNNGGGGGRRRRGRGHHH! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

i know someone who says "dub dub dub"

she is from seattle

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

just follow Chubb Rock's lead:"w, w, i'm the shit dot com".

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

When people are trying to describe their racial tolerance, and they say "I don't care if the person is white or black or yellow or orange or green or purple!"

Look. There is no race of people on Planet Earth that can be simply described as "green". Please shut the fuck up.

...or polka-dotted! Yes, ha ha. Now, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 17 September 2005 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

i know someone who says "dub dub dub"

i know someone who says "wubbily wubbily wubbily". they also call their mobile phone their "mobidilly diddly". as annoying as this sounds i find it quite endearing.

― angle of dateh (angle of dateh), Saturday, 17 September 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

Is their surname Flanders? Otherwise, they should be punched.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 September 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

curiously, they're able to deliver it with a patina of irony, every time.

― angle of dateh (angle of dateh), Saturday, 17 September 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

I hate when people say "the proof is in the pudding".

I will kill them all, and my life will improve considerably as a result.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 17 September 2005 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

You should kill them with a knife, leave your fingerprints on it, then hide the knife inside a pudding.

― estela (estela), Saturday, 17 September 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

Right now I really don't like "ciao!" No, I have always cringed at it. But people say it all the time here - I thought we were supposed to be speaking French - "ciao" is not French! It just seems more flip and "cool" than necessary. I should just go to Italy and see what happens: tolerance, acceptance or freak-out.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Saturday, 17 September 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

"good to go"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 17 September 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

not quite as offensive, but: "you're all set"

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 17 September 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

I should just go to Italy and see what happens: tolerance, acceptance or freak-out.

For me, the fact that they answer the phone by saying "pronto" more than makes up for it.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 17 September 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

gtg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 17 September 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it's just around here, but when did "Can I Get ________?" become the standard way of placing an order at a restaurant? Was it before of after Jay-Z had that song?

― naus (Robert T), Sunday, 18 September 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm [semi-celebrity spokesperson] to talk to you about [product]."

Really? He's Donald Trump for the sole purpose of telling me about this Visa check card? If it weren't for that, he'd be a Senegalese greengrocer?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Accent, it's actually supposed to be "the proof of a pudding is in the eating". Which makes a lot of sense, if you think about it, certainly more than the mis-abbreviated form.

Sorry if this has been covered, I took a quick look & didn't see.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it's just around here, but when did "Can I Get ________?" become the standard way of placing an order at a restaurant?

I find I do this sometimes . I'm fairly sure I did it before the Jay-Z song! Sometimes the server will call attention to the construction by saying something like "You sure can!" or "Absolutely!" -- at which point I feel a very brief moment of awkward self-consciousness which then dissolves into a longer moment of cheery satisfaction at their response.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

I noticed it when I first went to America in the '80s, so it predates Jay-Z. It seemed widespread then.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

It's totally commonplace — has been as far back as I can remember.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Rereading my post, I sound like Nicholson Baker.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

THANKS MUCH

― Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

John I've noticed you often have a Baker-esque tone, even just in conversation. I like it.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Question: why do people have a problem with the usage "I could care less about"?

― lee ward (lee ward), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

Because it means the opposite of what you think it means. The proper expression is actually "I COULDN'T care less," meaning, I'm so uninterested, that I couldn't care any less. Saying "I could care less" is like saying "Well, I could be less interested in this than I am," and it's hard to imagine an occassion for saying such a thing.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

Because it implies that there is another level of caring that you can reach but you're too lazy to take the final step.

XPOST

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, if you take only the literal words, and ignore the standard phrasing (the verbal cognate of a rolling-of-the-eyes), which acknowledges that the elimination of the negation is ironic, and not intended to change the meaning.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know if i made clear above that the smug insider-ism of potus is what makes it great

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

"i could care less" is a contraction of a contraction

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

"BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA" "MEDIUM RARE"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Sorry, I don't buy that. I think it's just a bastardization of a common idiom. The sarcasm is already implied in the original phrase (since you don't literally mean you couldn't care one bit less)

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

the contractions are getting closer.. xxpost

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe eventually it'll get all the way down to "I care less," and then it'll mean the right thing again.

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know if i made clear above that the smug insider-ism of potus is what makes it great

You hadn't. I was surprised that you of all people were taking exception to the term!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I don't buy that. I think it's just a bastardization of a common idiom. The sarcasm is already implied in the original phrase (since you don't literally mean you couldn't care one bit less)

No, I think people the phrase does literally mean that, and therefore there's nothing sarcastic about the phrase. (sure, sometimes people use it when they don't mean it, i.e. hyperbolically, but the initial usage was not hyperbolic) I'm not saying that everyone who uses it thinks about the literal meaning of what they are saying, and why their intonation corrects for its literal incorrectness, but they do know the meaning of their words when intoned traditionally. And I don't think it's a bastardization when the 'common idiom' is less common than the bastardization.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

When I say "I couldn't care less", I really mean it.

Accent, it's actually supposed to be "the proof of a pudding is in the eating". Which makes a lot of sense, if you think about it, certainly more than the mis-abbreviated form.

Er, yes. Right, which is why I hate the abbreviated form so much. For the same reason as people don't like "I could care less". It doesn't mean anything.

Currently I also hate "of" being used instead of "have" because people don't understand contractions.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Er, yes. Right, which is why I hate the abbreviated form so much. For the same reason as people don't like "I could care less". It doesn't mean anything.

But it does mean something? Sure, it's sarcasm, which ain't great, but you can't say it doesn't mean anything without being wilfully ignorant.

― lee, Thursday, 22 September 2005 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

On a similar note, whats with "write me"? That makes no sense either. "Write TO me". When someone says "write me" I say OK! *scrawls M E on paper*.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 22 September 2005 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Okay. It's time for PANDEMIC to die. The 1918 Flu Epidemic is called just that in all the history books, and it was world-wide. Why is "epidemic" suddenly not good enough?

Also, why does no one talk about "psychopaths" any more, but always of "sociopaths." That hard K sound gives the former more crazy authority. The latter just sounds like you have trouble on the school playground.

And this final gripe: the reason I gave up on Anne Rice's vampire books was not because the series shit the bed, even though it did—it was her constant use of the word "preternatural." She had to keep dropping it into the conversation. It's like she had a crush on a fucking WORD.
Having stylistic objections to Anne Rice is kind of dumb, I know. But those first books totally sucked me in. Even when they started to go bad, I followed for a little while.
Where are people's editors? Where's MY editor?
I'm going to stop myself. Right now.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

: "How you doing today?"
: "Any better and I couldn't stand it."

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:50 (seventeen years ago)

My latest problem is the habit of media figures, bureaucrats, and students who want to sound intelligent appending a preposition to verbs. "Separate OUT," "divide UP," "play OUT," "win OUT" – why??? In every case they're redundant and look awful on paper.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:55 (seventeen years ago)

"On April 18, 2008 CASA will hold our 1st Annual 'Light the Night' event at Immanuel Baptist Church (parking lot)."

You can't have an "annual" anything if it's only happening for the first time!

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:06 (seventeen years ago)

People who get con-fuzzed about things.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:10 (seventeen years ago)

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, April 2, 2008 7:55 AM (Wednesday, April 2, 2008 7:55 AM) Bookmark Link

Because that is how American English tends to be spoken?

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:15 (seventeen years ago)

Many compound nouns have the form verb plus preposition: add-on, stopover, lineup, shakedown, tryout, spinoff, rundown ("summary"), shootout, holdup, hideout, comeback, cookout, kickback, makeover, takeover, rollback ("decrease"), rip-off, come-on, shoo-in, fix-up, tie-in, tie-up ("stoppage"), stand-in. These essentially are nouned phrasal verbs; some prepositional and phrasal verbs are in fact of American origin (spell out, figure out, hold up, brace up, size up, rope in, back up/off/down/out, step down, miss out on, kick around, cash in, rain out, check in and check out (in all senses), fill in ("inform"), kick in ("contribute"), square off, sock in, sock away, factor in/out, come down with, give up on, lay off (from employment), run into and across ("meet"), stop by, pass up, put up (money), set up ("frame"), trade in, pick up on, pick up after, lose out.[14][15]

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:16 (seventeen years ago)

Using "of" instead of "have" is tremendous

― That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:16 (seventeen years ago)

xp: err, I guess you're talking about verb forms rather than nouns

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:18 (seventeen years ago)

Yes. And in every case I cited the preposition is unnecessary.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:19 (seventeen years ago)

language would kind of suck if it was efficient and orderly

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:23 (seventeen years ago)

orderly efficient useless language if w'asnt and be it would

― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:25 (seventeen years ago)

the preposition thing seems more of a spoken thing that happens a lot, and looks really awkward on the page?

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:25 (seventeen years ago)

basically

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:26 (seventeen years ago)

I agree with Alfred here, but it's hardly surprising where spoken language goes written language follows.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

...surprising THAT where...

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

haha ...where spoken language goes down, written language follows up.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:29 (seventeen years ago)

my coworker:
"we weren't doin' much. just out fiddle fartin' around..."

ugh. hurts my guts when she does that.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:29 (seventeen years ago)

the preposition thing seems more of a spoken thing that happens a lot, and looks really awkward on the page?

Reporters and columnists use these formulations all the time.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:30 (seventeen years ago)

you're obviously reading the wrong journalists--they must be liberal hacks

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:31 (seventeen years ago)

j/k, to be fair, i can see why you would be annoyed by these things in like student papers and such--seems like a first draft kind of thing that you cut when you start to edit the paper

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:32 (seventeen years ago)

True, but a student walked in here a couple of hours ago and said, "The professor wanted to separate us out from" something or other. It's enough just to say, "The professor wanted to separate us from..."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:34 (seventeen years ago)

The preposition thing is interesting, and I can't say it's particularly bothered me, especially since most of the time there is a slight (or sometimes significant) difference in meaning.

We wouldn't have a whole load of English words, from everyday ones to your more fancy or technical long words, if the Romans hadn't loved doing the same thing. A Latin verb without a prepositional prefix was considered rather plain, so they'd add them all the time. Sometimes the meaning would drift; sometimes it would keep the original meaning but be considered a more rhetorically stylish word.

No, I didn't have a point; yes, that was so poorly written as to destroy any point I might have thought I had. Hey, it's nearly hometime.

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:43 (seventeen years ago)

"starving"

You are not starving. Those little pregnant-looking babies in africa with flies around their eyes are starving. You are just hungry. Which is a fair usage.

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:04 (seventeen years ago)

^^^ Heh heh, I had a primary school teacher who used to get really pissed off about this.

― Bodrick III, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:36 (seventeen years ago)

jesus.

― banriquit, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:38 (seventeen years ago)

bugs me

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:39 (seventeen years ago)

I've been noticing an extreme overreliance on "essentially" lately.

"Utterly" used to fly into my ears several times a day, but luckily that died off somewhat after high school.

― Z S, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I find myself using "essentially" way too much in essays & whatnot.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:51 (seventeen years ago)

You are not starving. Those little pregnant-looking babies in africa with flies around their eyes are starving. You are just hungry. Which is a fair usage.

Well technically they may well not be starving. Malnourished, yes, but not necessarily starving.

― Mark C, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:55 (seventeen years ago)

little pregnant-looking babies

babies can't get pregnant god are you retarded?

― banriquit, Sunday, 13 April 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

Re unnecessary prepositions, the one that bothers me the most is "off of."

― jaymc, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:03 (seventeen years ago)

'amazing'

― the sir weeze, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:03 (seventeen years ago)

Since when is hyperbole off-limits, starving-hataz?

― libcrypt, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:09 (seventeen years ago)

word

― banriquit, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:10 (seventeen years ago)

I don't really mind me any colloquialisms, but'n when my ex-boss gets hisself an itchin' to use simplistic when simple will do, I just got me a right hankerin' to pat his pretty little haid 'n' set the poor fellah straight.

― libcrypt, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:13 (seventeen years ago)

The main problem with business writing isn't neologism - it's a kind of stiff, flowless formality. People come into business, think "hmm this is serious writing, when was the last time I did serious writing, oh yes..." and so everything is written in the passive-voice style of a GCSE science project.

Ugh, so OTM. In one office job I had every email was "I advised her X and she advised me Y" as though 'advised' was just a synonym for 'told'.

Also "from whence" aarrggghhhhh

Also someone mentioned Rachel Stevens upthread, "Sweet Dreams my LAX" is the worst for this kind of thing - "If I were in your shoes I'd worry OF the effects" wtf.
"Do you think I'm the fairer S-E-X" , so what, Rachel Stevens is a whole gender now?
"Can't you stop playing that record again" also bugs me.

And on another track - "The sweeter you taste, the bitter I feel" nnnhhhhnnngggg

Yes - I probably listen to too much Rachel Stevens....

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:06 (seventeen years ago)

imagine, song lyrics not conforming to standard usage.

― banriquit, Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:08 (seventeen years ago)

it's easy if you try

― ledge, Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:09 (seventeen years ago)

imagine, someone mentioning the words, usages and phrases that annoy the shit out of them on this thread.

Seriously though, that many weird usages in one song that consists mainly of just a few repeated lines? It's pushing it.

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:11 (seventeen years ago)

I dislike "so-called".

― caek, Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:13 (seventeen years ago)

"On-trend" *vomit*

The Australian thing (ha) of calling any baby 'bubs'. Makes me cringe.

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:14 (seventeen years ago)

'irregardless' makes me want to unfold my pocketknife

― Oilyrags, Sunday, 13 April 2008 19:30 (seventeen years ago)

The Australian thing (ha) of calling any baby 'bubs'. Makes me cringe.

-- Not the real Village People, Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

also, everything else australians say

― and what, Sunday, 13 April 2008 20:06 (seventeen years ago)

For some reason, "no worries!" bugs me.

Also, the fact that it bugs me bugs me, because it makes me feel like Andy Rooney or something.

Oh well. No worries!

― jsimp, Sunday, 13 April 2008 22:24 (seventeen years ago)

"Badboy" as a general purpose noun.

"Be inside in a min, just gonna smoke one of these badboys."

― Bodrick III, Sunday, 13 April 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)

"not for nothin"
is this just an east coast thing? i can't stand to hear it.

― carne asada, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:39 (seventeen years ago)

The Australian thing (ha) of calling any baby 'bubs'. Makes me cringe.

-- Not the real Village People, Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

also, everything else australians say

-- and what, Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:06 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

otm

― sunny successor, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:43 (seventeen years ago)

"shits and giggles"

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:43 (seventeen years ago)

"just putting that out there"

― clotpoll, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 15:19 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

dapple

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago)

under the bus
soup to nuts

― akm, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago)

earbuds

― rent, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago)

I had an Australian boss a few years ago who dropped no worries like crazy and now I say it all the time and even I hate it.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago)

bro
son

― rent, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago)

damn son why you hatin

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago)

usu irl the bro's are coming from douchbags and i knew that damn son shit had to just end the first time i heard it. like, we barely know each other don't call me son and don't be ironic white guy rapper anyways.

― rent, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago)

not you HOOS, obv

― rent, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago)

undergrowth

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago)

'perfect!'

― the sir weeze, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago)

"rather" as an affirmative
"same difference"

― circles, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:28 (sixteen years ago)

soup to nuts

this, urge to kill rises whenever i hear it

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:30 (sixteen years ago)

"Whenever" when what is meant is "when." Possibly a Texas/South thing, but I hear something like "Whenever I was in college I drank a lot of beer but never gained a pound!" all the fucking time.

― There is no Grodd but Mallah and Congorilla is His Prophet. (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:36 (sixteen years ago)

wtf is soup to nuts?

― rent, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:53 (sixteen years ago)

I used to have a buddy who said things like "Everwhat."

"They were down there in the parking lot, waiting for some pizza or everwhat."

― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:54 (sixteen years ago)

"put the world to rights"

― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:56 (sixteen years ago)

I used to have a buddy who said things like "Everwhat."

Are you positive he wasn't referring to his unfinished trilogy of fantasy novels?

― nabisco, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:12 (sixteen years ago)

"CALLING ALL"

"Calling all budding"

"CALLING ALL BUDDING...ARTISTS"

"CALLING ALL VILE PAROCHIAL ACTIVITIES"

― Local Garda, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:19 (sixteen years ago)

I hear something like "Whenever I was in college I drank a lot of beer but never gained a pound!" all the fucking time.

― There is no Grodd but Mallah and Congorilla is His Prophet. (Oilyrags), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:36 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

i used to say this a lot when i was younger, heard it a lot in the valley

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:22 (sixteen years ago)

"They were down there in the parking lot, waiting for some pizza or everwhat."

So it's a substitute for "whatnot"? I used to know someone who said "whatsuch" in situations like that.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:24 (sixteen years ago)

come back andy!!

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

"Porno" as a singular noun. I'm reminded of this every day thanks to the marketing campaign for the new Kevin Smith movie, which is irritating for all sorts of other reasons as well.

― C0L1N B..., Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:30 (sixteen years ago)

"He's done brilliantly well there"

― Matt #2, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:49 (sixteen years ago)

and similar. Seems to be popular with football pundits at the moment.

― Matt #2, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:49 (sixteen years ago)

also

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:52 (sixteen years ago)

"intangibles"

― P'zone, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago)

wtf is soup to nuts?

Everything. Comes from when a multi-course meal went from soup to nuts.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:57 (sixteen years ago)

"comprising of"

― Matt #2, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 23:29 (sixteen years ago)

"put the world to rights"

This appears in the lyrics to "Oliver's Army" and is therefore awesome.

― Little Hussein (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 23:34 (sixteen years ago)

i hate "that being said" and "at the end of the day" and "the reason being is that" and anything annoying businesspeople say

i use "also" too much :(

― harbl, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 23:34 (sixteen years ago)

"said"

― conrad, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 23:38 (sixteen years ago)

US:

this train will be moving "momentarily."

"Oh my god."

"it's cliche, but..."

"off of"

― paulhw, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 23:39 (sixteen years ago)

Ooh, "momentarily" for "in a moment" and "presently" for "at present" annoy me too. A pedant of my acquaintance says the former a lot, but I restrain myself because I like to pretend that I am holding the moral high ground for not picking it apart every time like he would.

(Maybe someone will now come along and say that the usages I don't like predate the ones I do, but that's fine, etymological citations of any kind gratefully received even if they disagree with me)

― knuffeltje van een buffeltje (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 16 October 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

Also here I am bitching on a linguistic annoyances thread when it is very possible that my display name isn't what I was aiming for, so, Dutch-speakers, please take the zing opportunity; corrections are welcome.

― knuffeltje van een buffeltje (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 16 October 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

It's annoying when people use the phrase "geeking out" to describe the practice of talking enthusiastically about some band or movie or genre or whatever that they're into. "We found out we both like Brazilian post-punk, we were geeking out about it for an hour." To be excited about some cultural product, or even to possess detailed knowledge of it, does not make you a "geek." Stop being so goddamn self-deprecating. If you're proud of how "geeky" you are, even worse.

― What a Mess (Gudrun Brangwen), Sunday, 11 January 2009 00:31 (sixteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

Every time I hear someone say that "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" I go to the dictionary to see if it has been updated with this "definition".

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Sunday, 20 December 2009 14:48 (fifteen years ago)

"Hate on"

― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 December 2009 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

damn son why you hatin

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:29 PM Bookmark

― dyao mak'er (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:04 (fifteen years ago)

"Hate on"

either amend the language so it's inflected like a proper language or leave us to our prepositions

― Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

wide swath

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago)

itt: we hate on a wide swath of words, usages, and phrases

― dyao mak'er (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:37 (fifteen years ago)

I hate when someone says "we're going to do X" where X is a place, e.g. "we're going to do the Louvre today".

― Euler, Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:40 (fifteen years ago)

"Shit or get off the pot"

― Øystein, Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

Ew dawg, that is nasty.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago)

"Hate on" is kind of useful, actually. At first it might seem like a needless variation of "hate," but "hate on" implies an active demonstration or vocalization of one's hate, which might otherwise be passive/internal.

― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago)

What's passive about, say, "I hate broccoli" or "Don't hate broccoli"? Adding "on" puts distance between the subject and object.

― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:34 (fifteen years ago)

just heard one on the radio:

fashionista

gah.

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago)

(was sandinista when -ista entered american slang as an all-purpose suffix? or was it earlier?)

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago)

"quite frankly"

― dumb pl4nk (k3vin k.), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:45 (fifteen years ago)

― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:32 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

not really.

― Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:46 (fifteen years ago)

itt old people hating on hating on

― dumb pl4nk (k3vin k.), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago)

yeah some people have a hard time understanding that language goes through changes. especially old people

― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:56 (fifteen years ago)

What's passive about, say, "I hate broccoli" or "Don't hate broccoli"

I don't mean passive as in "passive voice," I just mean that hating something might be (although it need not be) an internal act, whereas "hating on" something suggests an external gesture or expression.

― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

See, I love hating so much that I've no trouble showing it.

― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

hating and hating on are not the same
mr. que otm

― welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

if you actually write "hate on" outside of a blog/msg borad you are an idiot.

― Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Sunday, 20 December 2009 17:01 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, yeah, language changes, what a startling revelation.

― Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Sunday, 20 December 2009 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

I heard a forty-year-old say in an actual conversation, "I love me some Stones."

― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 December 2009 17:03 (fifteen years ago)

i hate "i love me some"
i just hated on "i love me some"

― welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Sunday, 20 December 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

i love me some hating on old people

― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Sunday, 20 December 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

like, at all

― endless dougie (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

"Challops." First couple of times I saw it on this board, I had no idea what it meant. I suppose it has validity sometimes, but it's also just a really annoying and lazy scare word.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 03:56 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

When did "run-on sentence" come to mean any long comma-laden sentence, regardless of whether it is grammatically corect?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:13 (fourteen years ago)

Oh christ, that's obnoxious.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:18 (fourteen years ago)

(That is, "regardless of whether it is grammatically incorrect," which run-on sentences are.)

― jaymc, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago)

That usage is most obnoxious when it's a professor using it, esp. as they assess your writing! It makes me start writing. In clippy little sentences. That are worse than the alleged original "problem."

― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago)

Ugh, those clippy little sentence fragments are the worst.

― EDB, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago)

oh yes. I once had a professor edit something I wrote by just changing the commas to full stops. I was. I will say. Not pleased. Give me interminably long sentences or give me NOTHING.

― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 01:32 (fourteen years ago)

'cooked to perfection' irritates the fuck out of me. generally heard coming from some snooty nob who've appointed themselves as king culinary arbiter. bugs me because it gives off this incredibly self-centred view that *their* taste is THE correct one and only they can pronounce things perfect or not.

― NI, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:49 (fourteen years ago)

To be honest, I'm not a fan of online acronyms. If I recall correctly, it once wasn't considered that onerous a task to type out four- and five-letter words in full.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:17 (fourteen years ago)

rce u

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:29 (fourteen years ago)

I was assuming I'd get either a "Clemenza OTM" or whatever stands for "Clemenza full of shit." I'll have to look that one up...

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:36 (fourteen years ago)

arsey you

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:38 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks. Got it.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:38 (fourteen years ago)

I was merely pointing out that (and in my case, especially while I'm at work) it is often rather convenient to convey the thrust of your point in abbreviated form- it's quicker, you see.

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:39 (fourteen years ago)

Not a problem. Everyone has their reasons, I think the saying goes.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:42 (fourteen years ago)

brvt sl wt iirc

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:44 (fourteen years ago)

Brevity is the soul of wit, yes. Unless it's so brief that it's the soul of "Huh?"

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:51 (fourteen years ago)

the push to use latin when pressed for typing time starts here. let's get classy out there people.

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago)

Yes, that was the point I started out to make: use Latin, everybody. I should have made that clearer.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:56 (fourteen years ago)

Quite serious, to be honest.

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:56 (fourteen years ago)

How does "veggies" even sound australian? It sounds midwestern or something to me.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:59 (fourteen years ago)

You know, I'm thinking that if your job is so busy that the time difference between typing "tbh" and "to be honest"--which is what, half-a-second?--is an issue, another alternative would be not to go on message boards at work? I mean, I hope you're not in the middle of performing open-heart surgery or anything.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:59 (fourteen years ago)

Had to literally stop someone yesterday from finishing telling me that the trailer he saw for an upcoming film probably showed all the best parts.

― Kerm, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:00 (fourteen years ago)

concubitus per lavatio a hat

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:01 (fourteen years ago)

ha my job is clearly not that busy, i was making the best case benefit-of-the-doubt scenario

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:02 (fourteen years ago)

people resuming correspondence with "i trust you are well"

― caek, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:02 (fourteen years ago)

My mom used to describe things she thought were strange but didn't want to disapprove of as "very..... different" or "quite.......interesting" but these days she's been using "unique", which normally wouldn't bother me but she always uses them with intensifiers so I'm stuck hearing "it's very unique" and even sometimes the dreaded "well, it's more unique than..."

― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:17 (fourteen years ago)

'That's different' - pronounced 'diff-urnt' - is an insult in the US Midwest.

― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:40 (fourteen years ago)

People who say 'the proof is in the pudding'

― disastrous sixth series (MaresNest), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:51 (fourteen years ago)

THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN THE EATING, OKAY?

― I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 13:08 (fourteen years ago)

suffix "-monger".

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago)

"... it's not true"

^ Stupid construction. Heard a guy saying it on the news this morning:

"Our athletes are looking forward to the competition IT'S NOT TRUE"

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:14 (fourteen years ago)

Sorry:

"Our athletes are so looking forward to the competition IT'S NOT TRUE"

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:14 (fourteen years ago)

"like the lovechild of [ x ] and [ y ]" / "if [ x ] and [ y ] had a baby"

stop with this lazy shit, the formulation is not inherently funny or clever, & there are other ways to describe the combination of two influences

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago)

saying someone looks or sounds "like a muppet"

if they do not bear an uncanny resemblance to a specific muppet then i don't want to hear it, just more lazy cleverness, plus the muppets rule so fuck u

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago)

"cosign"

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago)

elmo argonaut looks like Lew Zealand.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago)

muppet is an insult over here, probably not independent of the actual muppets tho tbf

― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:32 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

"Fey" in any context not meaning "doomed". I think that some people think it's a synonym for "gay".

The twee kicks in quickly with opening track “The Stars Of Track And Field,” with its references to “kissing girls” and “innocent boys” in the first few lines. This may sound silly, but there’s something about the way frontman Stuart Murdoch says “boys” and “girls” that sounds especially fey, and it inexplicably irks me. Maybe it’s because Murdoch’s accent enhances the preciousness, or maybe it’s because I find it annoying when grown adults refer to each other as girls and boys, like they’re on a playground or playing kickball in an adult recreational league.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/belle-sebastians-if-youre-feeling-sinister,47346/

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago)

creative as a noun

― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

as in "let's get a couple of creatives in here"?

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/may/29/advertising-creatives/print

― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago)

I want to be a destructive.

― Flavors: Onions and other flavors (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

fey
adj \ˈfā\
Definition of FEY
1
a chiefly Scottish : fated to die : doomed b : marked by a foreboding of death or calamity
2
a : able to see into the future : visionary b : marked by an otherworldly air or attitude c : crazy, touched
3
a : excessively refined : precious b : quaintly unconventional : campy

― zvookster, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago)

yeah I've never seen "fey" used in the first or second contexts there

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago)

Morgana le Fey is probably the only one in any kind of common usage (though people probably think it's her surname.)

― Wheal Dream, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

I don't understand what definition 3 has to do with definition 1 or 2, which are the ones I'm familiar with.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago)

marked by an otherworldly air or attitude -> elven in a contrived manner (see, say Elfine from Cold Comfort Farm) -> Definition 3.

― Wheal Dream, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

also see: Joanna Newsom

― sarahel, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I could see that. But my strong suspicion is that it's not as complicated as that. I'll bet that it evolved from people misusing language. Anyone have an OED account here?

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

Fée is also 'fairy' in French.

― you've got foetus in a jar (suzy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago)

the key word here is "evolved"

― sarahel, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago)

I don't understand what definition 3 has to do with definition 1 or 2, which are the ones I'm familiar with.

brit vs amer thing maybe? I've never heard of the 1st 2 usages.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago)

Perhaps. It's not even a word that would come up much in conversation really, so it's hard to tell.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago)

I've never heard of the 1st 2 usages.

Me neither.

Here's OED:

1. Fated to die, doomed to death; also, at the point of death; dying. In literary use now arch. Still in popular use in Scotland.

2. Leading to or presaging death; deadly, fatal. Obs.

3. Accursed, unfortunate, unlucky. Obs.

4. Feeble, timid; sickly, weak. Obs.

5. Disordered in mind like one about to die; possessing or displaying magical, fairylike, or unearthly qualities. Now freq. used ironically, in sense 'affected, whimsy'.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago)

I'm mostly aware of it as the 2nd usage from the first def!! But that's primarily from reading fantasy lit for 20 years.

― I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty sure this isn't from people "misusing" language. Always thought fey acquired it's "twee" meaning via "Goblin Market" and general Victorian interest in whimsy.

― the Ford Escort Cabriolet of middle-aged men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

'ilxor-looking dudes'

― acoleuthic, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago)

lol

― sarahel, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

Found this:

Fey derives from the Old English fæge (“doomed to die”) and carries the related sense “in an unusually excited state (like one about to die).” By an extension, the word came to mean “whimsical, otherworldly, eccentric,” perhaps from confusion with fay (= a fairy or elf). This shift in meaning was noticed as early as 1950. Today the word's original meaning is all but forgotten—e.g.: “An upsurge of book sales in cyberspace could have dramatic effects on the fortunes of the already fey and contradictory world of book publishing.” ( Washington Post, Aug. 4, 1997.)

― Lostandfound, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago)

That explanation is perfect Losrandfound. Thanks.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago)

I don't understand what definition 3 has to do with definition 1 or 2, which are the ones I'm familiar with.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:39 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

I feel like there are tons of words in the language for which this is true

― dayo, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago)

stool...implement for sitting on, or piece of shit?

*runs off to open your terrible ideas thread*

― dayo, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago)

A lot of these are caused by two separate root-words converging in sound and spelling over time.

― the Ford Escort Cabriolet of middle-aged men (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago)

converge...to come together or shitty hardcore band?

― dayo, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago)

stfu ... shut the fuck up or southern tenant farmers union?

― sarahel, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 02:29 (fourteen years ago)

Fare thee well. Fare thee well. Fare thee well, my fairy fay.
For I'm going to Louisiana for to see my Susiannah,
Singing polly-wolly-doodle all the day.

― Aimless, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 05:25 (fourteen years ago)

I feel like I know way too many people who will always half-smirkingly say "interweb" or "internets" instead of internet, or "uber" instead of super or very, etc.

― deej otm (some dude), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago)

"goodness" e.g. 'visit our website for more goodness'

― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago)

^^^^^ yes, #1 for me

― dayo, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago)

"_________ goodness"

kind of hate the genericness of this, like "ohh this pastry is filled with creamy goodness" or "oh yeah give me some of that football goodness"

― crüt it out (dyao), Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:59 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark

― dayo, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago)

was about to complain about "genericness," but apparently it's a real word, which kind of blows my mind, i never would've guessed.

it really bugged me recently when someone used "sensical," though, that's definitely not a real word.

― deej otm (some dude), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago)

"chocolatey goodness"

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

"Turkey Day"

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago)

1. Fated to die, doomed to death; also, at the point of death; dying. In literary use now arch. Still in popular use in Scotland.

"Fey" guys doomed to reproductive failure, will die childless. Look at Morrissey.

― otherwise, and twat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago)

i HATE "uber"

― irritable bol syndrome (s1ocki), Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago)

especially how its always used with "hip" and "cool"

― irritable bol syndrome (s1ocki), Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago)

"Killing it" meaning doing it well. Just shoot me at this point.

― amazing disorder (rip van wanko), Friday, 12 November 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago)

also "Really?" sarcastically/nonplussed a la Amy Poehler/Seth Meyers in their bit. ugh.

― amazing disorder (rip van wanko), Friday, 12 November 2010 02:48 (fourteen years ago)

"ponder"

― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Friday, 12 November 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

Turkey Day uuuuugh

― corey, Friday, 12 November 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fey-rights-group-demands-distinction-from-homosexu,18606/

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

"Friend" to mean an inanimate object or activity that one considers beneficial, helpful, or pleasing. Especially annoying when the object/activity is in the plural, as in "Sore joints? Ice packs are your friend."

― Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Friday, 4 February 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)

i HATE "uber"

― irritable bol syndrome (s1ocki), Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:11 (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

especially how its always used with "hip" and "cool"

― irritable bol syndrome (s1ocki), Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:12 (2 months ago) Bookmark

I read the phrase "painfully hip" in an article the other day, that was actually praising said artist. A real cliche if I ever heard one.

― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Friday, 4 February 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

said artist is annoying

― conrad, Friday, 4 February 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)

three months pass...

"How's that workin' out for ya?"

― Sugabans (rip van wanko), Thursday, 19 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)

People at my work say "sems" instead of centimetres. savages

― broodje kroket (dog latin), Thursday, 19 May 2011 15:36 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

"overcome by events"

have heard this 4-5 times this week already

― Z S, Thursday, 2 June 2011 17:26 (thirteen years ago)

When politician says about his state (or country) "XYZ is Open For Business". I just read something from the governor's office saying "New Jersey is Open For Business". First of all, it's stupid. Secondly, it's been used a ton, so if you're trying to be original and cute, you are failing miserably. Third, New Jersey is almost certainly not "open for business" unless you work in an unemployment office.

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 2 June 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago)

Acknowledging the public snub, a spokesman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: "Universities have always been bastions of free speech and debate.

"However, our student and university finance reforms are fairer than the present system and affordable for the nation."

― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago)

BASTION

― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago)

especially loathesome in this context cuz it suggests that universities are a sort of holdout of dissent whereas in this instance they express the will of most of the country

― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

You know what I hate?

I hate "as [so-and-so] might put it" ...when the phrase that so-and-so "might" use is something the person wrote/said/sang ONCE (even if it was very famous).

My long-time annoyance at this was re-triggered by this sentence, in reference to the summer of 1974 in American politics: "It was, as Charles Dickens might put it, the best of times and the worst of times." Really? As though that weren't just a sentence in one of his books, but the dude's fucking catchphrase or something.

― jaymc, Thursday, 30 June 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago)

I posted this in another thread but:

"No biggie." (as in no big problem). Awful, awful, awful.

― EDB, Thursday, 30 June 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago)

"No diggity" is worse.

― remy bean, Thursday, 30 June 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago)

No doubt.

― jaymc, Thursday, 30 June 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago)

Last week I was surrounded by the sort of people who constantly start the answer to a question by saying "Put it this way" as though they're about to make a grand earth-shattering statement but follow it with something completely unremarkable e.g.:

"What colour is the sky?"
"Put it this way: the sky is blue"

― Leee Marcello's Putting Challenge (Schlafsack), Thursday, 30 June 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago)

Really? As though that weren't just a sentence in one of his books, but the dude's fucking catchphrase or something.

― jaymc, Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:48 PM Bookmark

good call. I think this is the kind of construction that probably started out with a hint of irony but then that gradually got lost as it was mindlessly overused.

― mississippi delta law grad (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 June 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, I think for the "as so and so might have put it" to work it has to be a funny paraphrasing that modernizes or somehow bastardizes the original.

― Ktulu says, I've come to hate my body (wk), Thursday, 30 June 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago)

Reading Kingsley Amis's 'The King's English' at the moment--he's wonderful (and very funny) at shooting down these irritating usages.

― I knew that the Russian people mercilessly ograblyali ograblyay (James Morrison), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

You know, now that I think about it, all you need to do is just replace "might" with "once" and it's fine!

― jaymc, Friday, 1 July 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago)

i think this has its origin in sportswriting but I've seen it moving beyond that into the real world: Switching from past to present-tense when speaking about hypothetical after-the-fact non-occurances. Like a losing coach saying something like "That missed penalty shot was probably the turning point: if Clarke scores on that one, maybe we regain the momentum that we had early on." What's wrong with the word "scoreD" and the phrase "we'd have regained"?? Man that irritates me.

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 1 July 2011 07:03 (thirteen years ago)

This is gonna sound totally random, but....

― billstevejim, Friday, 1 July 2011 07:25 (thirteen years ago)

MVB, I think that boils down to English-speakers' growing discomfort with the subjunctive tense, already used less frequently than in other European languages.

If I was you I would attempt to make peace with it.

― Josefa, Friday, 1 July 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

'baked in'

― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Monday, 5 September 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago)

mikhail bakedin

― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Monday, 5 September 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

"Me thinks" or "Methinks".

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 5 August 2012 09:38 (twelve years ago)

methinks the chap doth protest too much

― Number None, Sunday, 5 August 2012 09:43 (twelve years ago)

"usages"

― conrad, Sunday, 5 August 2012 09:52 (twelve years ago)

methinks the chap doth protest too much

― Number None

It's fine in Shakespeare, but not on Facebook.

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 5 August 2012 09:56 (twelve years ago)

Percy: Beshrew me, Edmund! You're in good fooling this morning.

Edmund: Don't say `beshrew me', Percy -- only stupid actors say `beshrew me'.

Percy: Oh, how I would love to be an actor! I had a great talent for it in
my youth -- I was the man of a thousand faces.

Edmund: How'd you come to choose the ugly mug you've got now, then?

Percy: Hah hah! Tush, My Lord.

Edmund: ...and don't say `tush', either! It's only a short step from `tush'
to `hey nonny nonny'; and then, I'm afraid, I'll shall have to call
the police.

― Jeremy Clarkson Sex Face (snoball), Sunday, 5 August 2012 10:14 (twelve years ago)

it's already been mentioned here, but... that acronym for president of the united states, along with the first lady and supreme court versions

i hate i hate i hate please make this stop now. forever.

― dell (del), Sunday, 5 August 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago)

Lots of ones from around the office that I should start to collect here.

"T-Shirt Sizing" - means decide if a project is small, medium, or large

"Supreme Court says it's a tax" - means this decision is final

and my current least favorite:

"Hanging chads" - means things left undone or undecided, which is not what the phrase meant originally, plus that was like 10 years ago, let's move on.

― Moodles, Sunday, 5 August 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago)

"I loves me some..."

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago)

"Build a bridge and get over it". I've been seeing this often lately. It's a sanctimonious phrase used in a self-satisfied manner by pretentious clots who have no more than three phrases in their repertoires.

"Reeling", especially in the context of a traumatic event. Commonly assumes the unified emotion of an entire suburb/town/city.

I hate when someone says "we're going to do X" where X is a place, e.g. "we're going to do the Louvre today".

Yes. Hate this. Fulfil your mission, robotic achiever.

My manager also says "irregardless", invariably. I've tried to correct by subtly interchanging the confused words in conversation. There's no hope for him.

― Yam, Monday, 6 August 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago)

three weeks pass...

"Like something out of a movie" -- most nondescript, nonspecific thing a person could possibly say

― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago)

ha I almost searched for this thread earlier so I could add "cool beans" but then I didn't.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago)

"A girl I had a huge crush on used to say "Cool beans!" I momentarily fell out of love with her each time.
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:33 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

HA!

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago)

ha!

― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago)

a similar thing happened to me, but the word was 'anyways'

― * The "no hands" rule can be compared to socialist tax policies (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago)

in the end she was kerrray-zy so

― * The "no hands" rule can be compared to socialist tax policies (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

the word 'ping' when used to mean 'send an email'

"I'll ping it over to you."

stfu no you won't, you'll email it to me.

― salsa shark, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:51 (twelve years ago)

very common, that one. weird.

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:15 (twelve years ago)

i have to admit i like ping, used generally for any quick communication

― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago)

I like it, but could totally see getting sick of it. Was there some submarine movie that brought it into the common lexicon?

― how's life, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:24 (twelve years ago)

i say "fire it over to me".

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago)

i might start saying "horse it over to me"

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago)

I say "sink my aircraft carrier"

― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago)

i simply say "engage".

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago)

enjoy me on my e-mail

― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:31 (twelve years ago)

i assume it is from the networking test, a nerd repurposing that was appropriated by business types

― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:37 (twelve years ago)

"My bad"

― Ernest Metalchats (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago)

"No worries" is the worst and possibly the only reason I haven't moved to AU

― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:16 (twelve years ago)

I use no worries all the time.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:16 (twelve years ago)

I use "ping" but not in the sense described above - to "ping" someone is to call/email/message them when there's nothing urgent to talk about, but just to keep in touch.

I'm irked by clumsy business-speak of all sorts, like "core competencies" when "strengths" would work just fine. And the alarming increase in the use of "space" as in "xxxx company is the leading vendor in the video-streaming space".

― Lee626, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago)

xp Why? There are so many things to worry about.

― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago)

Honestly I'm better with the Aussie "n'arries" pronunciation than the clipped Canuck "no worries!" thing they always do when holding the door for you. Hakuna matata yourself you shitbird

― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago)

lg spells 'horsh' funny

― i will fondue, and i will killue (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago)

smurf me maybe

― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago)

tbf 'ping' is less stupid than other things frequently said/written around my workplace

'learnings' is the stupidest but I didn't want to go on a tirade earlier and start posting everything dumb I hear at work each day. it'd never end.

― salsa shark, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago)

these discussions always become dominated by work lingo, though in the wider world it's often things people don't actually say, like "blue sky thinking" or whatever.

when i worked in bbc everyone used to always say "are you across that?" or "ronan's across that, have a word with him", meaning that person knew about a particular story or was dealing with it.

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago)

I'm not a fan of using "said" to mean "aforesaid"/"aforementioned" in everyday informal speech. I know that it's a correct usage, but it has this unpleasant pseudo-formality.

― jim, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago)

"Just sayin'"

― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago)

"amongst"

― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago)

"Just sayin'"

worst ever

― turn left onto bisexual woman (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago)

I hate "no worries" with a passion.

― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago)

it's our problem-free philosophy

― all mods con (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

I've been in some meetings lately with a marketing exec, and she used "ping" the other day -- I wasn't sure exactly what she meant.

― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

when you reply you should say you ponged her message

― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

I am very sad to find an error in subject-verb agreement after a prepositional phrase in the subject of a sentence in an email that I wrote. My own grammatical errors bother me no end. I seem to make errors more frequently when I am tired. An error in writing is inexcusable.

― youn, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago)

i first encountered "ping" when i joined my current workplace back in '06, it is a functional enough verb for saying that you plan to contact someone though you haven't decided whether you will call them, e-mail them, im them, or just wait until you run into them while getting coffee.

― call all destroyer, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:13 (twelve years ago)

I know of definite unix orgins for "ping" as a verb. it more likely goes back to sonar.

― Aimless, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

benghazi

― estela, Monday, 12 November 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago)

why did none of these people get this excited when we discovered our war to interdict weapons of mass destruction was founded upon a hoax?

― Aimless, Monday, 12 November 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago)

http://www.ladyyes.com/40-110-large/ben-gay.jpg

http://earnthis.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/fugazi1.jpg

― how's life, Monday, 12 November 2012 10:36 (twelve years ago)

five months pass...

'Work colleague'. 'COLLEAGUE' MEANS SOMEONE YOU WORK WITH YOU IMBECILE

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 3 May 2013 15:26 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

"thinks on his/her feet"

is it supposed to be easier to think sitting down or something

― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 August 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago)

there was a free training at work a few months ago called "THINKING ON YOUR FEET". the snarky joke going around was that it was totally unnecessary because we're always sitting on our asses

― Z S, Monday, 26 August 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago)

thethinker.jpeg

― rooibos in disguise (wins), Monday, 26 August 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

(he is sitting down)

― rooibos in disguise (wins), Monday, 26 August 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago)

I wish ppl would stop saying "manic pixie dream girl". I was never that gone in the phrase but I dislike it more now that the complaint seems to have shifted from "this is a kind of sexist trope" to "this is a kind if woman I hate"

― rooibos in disguise (wins), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago)

In, on

― rooibos in disguise (wins), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/11/english-has-a-new-preposition-because-internet/281601/

― Number None, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago)

three months pass...

"crazy making"

― Mordy , Saturday, 8 March 2014 03:49 (eleven years ago)

"Selfie" aaaaaaaagggghhh
"Yum" or "nom" agggggrrrghghgh

― brimstead, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:12 (eleven years ago)

learning management system

― j., Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:13 (eleven years ago)

ilx passed through its "om nom nom" stage ages ago. you can look it up.

― Aimless, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:48 (eleven years ago)

"guesstimate"

― salsa shark, Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:09 (eleven years ago)

"Subversive" to describe anything in television or film

― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:14 (eleven years ago)

"truth bomb"

― Mordy , Saturday, 8 March 2014 22:39 (eleven years ago)

for alfred: "the reason...is because"

― k3vin k., Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:10 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, selfie is horrible, and it has completely taken over.

― how's life, Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:26 (eleven years ago)

every sort of '-bomb' neologism is terrible

the main editorial in the daily telegraph was about obama's 'e-bomb', referring to.....energy supplies

― Thanks in anticipation of your opinions (nakhchivan), Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:28 (eleven years ago)

two weeks pass...

"creativity" -- you had a good run, but they've shot you full of arrows and now it's time for you to be laid to rest

― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 16:57 (eleven years ago)

"No room at the inn"

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:05 (eleven years ago)

"Feel free to..." when what you really mean is "Do this."

― Eric H., Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

"TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE"
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:35 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ay i remember this

― real myst opportunity (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

eight months pass...

I have started to see the word "edit" show up in marketing lately -- a clothing store had a "gifting edit" (I'm not sure what that means!" and South Street Seaport advertized their "Holiday Edit" or something like that. Is this an awkward borrowing from dance music or something?

― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 November 2014 16:05 (ten years ago)

From Oxford Dictionary online:

edit (noun)

A featured selection of clothes, accessories, beauty products, etc. from a particular season or collection: 'this is ELLE’s personal Autumn/Winter 2012 edit'

A 'radio edit' involves taking stuff out to make the running time shorter, but I suppose it also effectively means choosing the bits to 'feature'. Photographers talk about doing an 'edit' (choosing the images to use from a shoot or whatever). That again involves getting rid of the out-takes and choosing the best images. Same with film-editing and the 'cutting room floor'.

― dubmill, Sunday, 30 November 2014 16:25 (ten years ago)

most online fashion stores have an 'edit'. I guess it comes from 'fashion editors' picks'

― kinder, Sunday, 30 November 2014 16:46 (ten years ago)

Is that a relatively recent usage? Dictionary example is a fashion mag from 2012.

― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 November 2014 17:23 (ten years ago)

way shape or form

― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 30 November 2014 17:26 (ten years ago)

xp I think it's one of those words that probably serves its purpose well but still irritates me because it elevates something that's actually pretty simple, kind of like "curate" -- we chose some stuff that we like.

― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 November 2014 17:28 (ten years ago)

"yeah buddy"

just as an exclamation on its own with a raised intonation on the first syllable of "buddy"

i hear this in workplaces all the time

― kobaïas fünke (clouds), Sunday, 30 November 2014 19:52 (ten years ago)

not this one tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryjpQUtOxsw

― poptimisty mounting pop (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 November 2014 19:53 (ten years ago)

eah buddy"

just as an exclamation on its own with a raised intonation on the first syllable of "buddy"

i hear this in workplaces all the time

― kobaïas fünke (clouds), Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so you don't remember pauly shore then

― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:40 (ten years ago)

i'm sorry, is that a friend of yours?

― mrs. missus (clouds), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:38 (ten years ago)

oh wait I think you're actually talking about a different "buddy" than I was hearing in my head

― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:42 (ten years ago)

btw ads for used goods in "loved condition"

fucking no

― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:42 (ten years ago)

"tacky condition"

― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:49 (ten years ago)

xp, You working at a gym?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssA4Pht5Moc

― Øystein, Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:58 (ten years ago)

that's it!

― mrs. missus (clouds), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:04 (ten years ago)

I can't even

― Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:40 (ten years ago)

"seamless pipeline"

― anky, Friday, 5 December 2014 00:23 (ten years ago)

"one personal item"

― estela, Friday, 5 December 2014 04:28 (ten years ago)

"sickmaking"

"throwing shade"

― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:39 (ten years ago)

throwing shapes?

― the mooney tanuki (how's life), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:20 (ten years ago)

why is "throwing shade" annoying? it fulfills a very linguistically precise function.

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:22 (ten years ago)

scans too try-hard white media-class tweeter imo

― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:23 (ten years ago)

tay throwing so much shade rn omg

― Chairman Feinstein (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:25 (ten years ago)

"sorry, I didn't mean to implicitly insult you by making a passive-aggressive remark in your presence"

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:25 (ten years ago)

i mean yeah it can be appropriative for sure but so much that is conjecture, like who is allowed to say a word?

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:26 (ten years ago)

in the 50s referring to someone as "dude" "man" etc was black/beat slang

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:27 (ten years ago)

it's not the appropriateness that bothers me, it's the forced casualness - cloaking smoldering rage behind a cute idiom

― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:28 (ten years ago)

appropriativeness* but that isn't a word acc to spellcheck

― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:28 (ten years ago)

another option is not to (hate-read) ppl who use such terms

― vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:29 (ten years ago)

okay i see what you mean xps

my spellcheck doesn't recognize "appropriative" (or "spellcheck")

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:29 (ten years ago)

another option to what? complaining about them? why not both?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:31 (ten years ago)

idg twitter, it just seems like a way to yell at people

maybe i do get it actually

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:33 (ten years ago)

xp - it's up to you i guess

― vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:33 (ten years ago)

i think u get it that is my impression of twitter too, idk maybe the internet in general xp

― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:35 (ten years ago)

"life hack" and all variants

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:36 (ten years ago)

agree that is obnoxious, like amoral little eichmann-eqsue tech worker culture jargon seeping into the cultural memory

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:42 (ten years ago)

everyone who encounters a problem improvises ways to deal with it or make life easier/less time-consuming, you don't have to make up a special status indicating shibboleth word for it.

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:44 (ten years ago)

EXACTLY

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:47 (ten years ago)

as i get older shit like this irks me so much, it's just inanity.

(stand by for my jeremiad w/r/t "EIT" instead of "enhanced interrogation techniques," a term which was already way problematic)

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:48 (ten years ago)

being annoyed by something is a far stretch from what's going on with EIT -- that's a deliberate distancing from unsavory thoughts, and that's legitimately harmful imo

― vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:49 (ten years ago)

Good point.

"EIT" is a little too much like "ED" - like the diminishing of something that's really very troubling into being equivalent to a minor, embarrassing personal issue that should be mentioned once briefly then forgotten about

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:51 (ten years ago)

Maybe the first comparision of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques to Erectile Dysfunction?

― the mooney tanuki (how's life), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:53 (ten years ago)

eh, maybe i'm reaching a bit there

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:53 (ten years ago)

everyone who encounters a problem improvises ways to deal with it or make life easier/less time-consuming, you don't have to make up a special status indicating shibboleth word for it.

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:44 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel like back in the day these kinds of things would just be published in readers' digest or betty crocker and labeled "timesaving tips" or "helpful hints" or something and not bestowed with all the phallic power of "hack"

― man alive, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:54 (ten years ago)

Hints From Heloise.

― the mooney tanuki (how's life), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:55 (ten years ago)

"phallic power" otm, so much male speech is a violent act "let me shoot you an email and give you a shout later if i can take a stab at it"

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:57 (ten years ago)

Life-hack is horrible

― cardamon, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:57 (ten years ago)

implies that everyone else is doing the life equivalent of not upgrading their CPU

― cardamon, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:58 (ten years ago)

because they're afraid of breaking their computer

― cardamon, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:59 (ten years ago)

"phallic power" otm, so much male speech is a violent act "let me shoot you an email and give you a shout later if i can take a stab at it"

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yikes, right on - i hadn't noticed this one

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 19:59 (ten years ago)

I am literally going to violently penetrate life with this timesaving, er, tip.

― man alive, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 20:01 (ten years ago)

This thing where customer service people say "May I please help the following guest" or "Will the following guest please step down" -- I automatically her a ":________" at the end of those sentences.

Also fuck calling a guy waiting to order tacos a "guest."

― man alive, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:27 (ten years ago)

"Killing it"--mentioned four years ago, and I'll mention it again today. Especially when it's a couple of critics in a mutual admiration society, and the one says the other is "killing it."

― clemenza, Thursday, 18 December 2014 01:36 (ten years ago)

"knowledge transfer"

― Ottbot jr (NickB), Thursday, 18 December 2014 06:25 (ten years ago)

GUESTS DON'T PAY, MORONS

"sickmaking" is fine with me

― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 December 2014 06:33 (ten years ago)

"interwebs"

― marcos, Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:36 (ten years ago)

baldy

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 18:49 (ten years ago)

"turnabout is fair play"

i don't know why i have such a strong hatred of this phrase, but i do. reading it or hearing it grates on my nerves like nails down chalkboard.

― just1n3, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 18:57 (ten years ago)

when people use track as a verb, as in "that doesn't track"

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 20:52 (ten years ago)

"american ______" movie titles

― marcos, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 21:08 (ten years ago)

^ yes very much, werewolf in london excluded though obv

― Ottbot jr (NickB), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 21:12 (ten years ago)

^ reads to me like a giant sticker that says "THIS IS SATIRE". are the people of any other country as boringly fixated on their national mystique? xp

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 21:13 (ten years ago)

like "american sniper" what the fuck is that?

― marcos, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 21:16 (ten years ago)

Yeah, I hate this too (but Tokyo Fist is one of my favourite films), I think it seems like it's supposed to sound cool or something, but I can't work out how or why it should make it cool.

Someone said a while ago that American Hustle was total fluff but got into the Oscars because it had "American" in the title.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 21:32 (ten years ago)

Here's something I hate even worse that I posted on a games forum a while ago.

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Something I used to associate with comics when they were attempting to make a storyline seem important but loads of games and blockbuster films do it now. It basically looks like a hackish attempt at gravity or awe. I'm not saying everything with these subtitles are bad, but better writers dont tend to use them.
You may want to dispute some of my examples or point out why you think they make something sound the way they do.

These really annoy me and I've been meaning to talk about it for a while. One of my pet hates in entertainment.

Requiem (the worst, I'd say)
Retribution (almost as bad)
Revenge
Revelation(s)
Ressurrection
Redemption
Revolution
Reborn
Rebirth
New Beginning
Awakening
Evolution
Insurrection
One More Day
Brand New Day
Aftermath
Exodus
Ultimatum
Convergence
Osmosis
Legacy (or Legacies)
Origin(s)
Big Time
Last Stand
Tipping Point
Crisis
Extinction
Extermination
Inception
Deception
Rising
Risen
Reckoning
Wrath
Unbound
Vengeance
Judgement
Defiance
Devastation
Absolution
Desperation
xtreme
x-treme
eXtreme

Terminator: Salvation is a perfect example.

Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem sounds especially dumb.
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There were a few contributions from other users. Looking back at these makes me feel a bit ill thinking about the type of moron this type of title probably excites.

Yahtzee in particular made fun of them and when Amnesia: A Machine For Pigs came out he joked that the publisher probably said "can't we just call it Amnesia: Revelations?"

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:00 (ten years ago)

Mumdex

― soref, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:02 (ten years ago)

American Requiem

― (曇り) (clouds), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:19 (ten years ago)

That's great! Don't know why I didn't think to combine the horrors.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:22 (ten years ago)

Could put America or American with every word on your list, although it may have already been done. I sometimes use "convergence," though usually tongue-in-cheek, like "thee convergence," and, just this past Saturday night, non-ironically mentioned "Son House as killing it" on Twitter. No regrets.

― dow, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:36 (ten years ago)

fumbled the self-quote, so here's the whole thing
Am.Routes,A. Lomax: "If I don't go crazy, I'm gonna lose my mind." Son House killing it

― dow, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:39 (ten years ago)

American Hustle 2: Retribution

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 23:14 (ten years ago)

"both sides of the aisle"

― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 01:08 (ten years ago)

"he'll really need to work hard to bring in support from both sides of the aisle"

― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 01:08 (ten years ago)

"this is really something that will need support from both sides of the aisle"

― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 01:09 (ten years ago)

fuck off, you trite-ass pundit

― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 01:09 (ten years ago)

all of you

― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 01:09 (ten years ago)

I have mixed feelings about that thing people do on the internet where they make a statement about personal preference but deliberately omit the personal pronoun (which gives their opinions an air of irony/detachment even when they're being sincere). did this begin with Hipster Runoff? that's where I first noticed it, but ilx-type people (including me, probably) seem to do it a lot.

― please login or register if you are (unregistered), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:09 (ten years ago)

dyl wrote this on thread Charli XCX on board I Love Music on Aug 26, 2014

not really feeling "break the rules" at all. i'm excited she's getting her chance at a legit mainstream breakthrough tho. "boom clap" is closing in on #1 on top 40 radio.

---

Jimmywine Dyspeptic wrote this on thread Spoon - They Want My Soul (2014) on board I Love Music on Jul 29, 2014

Really liking this on first listen; really good on headphones. Not sure how it rates in the larger discography yet, of course, but so far, diggin' it. One of the last indieTM bands whose new releases I actually look forward to.

― please login or register if you are (unregistered), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:13 (ten years ago)

have mixed feelings about that thing people do on the internet where they make a statement about personal preference but deliberately omit the personal pronoun (which gives their opinions an air of irony/detachment even when they're being sincere). did this begin with Hipster Runoff? that's where I first noticed it, but ilx-type people (including me, probably) seem to do it a lot.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/psbKsJ7Kg48/hqdefault.jpg

"We moved to west Texas 40 years ago. The war was over, and we wanted to get out and make it on our own. Those were exciting days. Lived in a little shotgun house, one room for the three of us. Worked in the oil business, started my own.

In time we had six children. Moved from the shotgun to a duplex apartment to a house. Lived the dream - high school football on Friday night, Little League, neighborhood barbecue."

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:20 (ten years ago)

I feel like that's a different phenomenon. Bush = imitating front-porch working-class speech <-> Carles = imitating hipsters airing their 'deep thoughts' on aim/twitter. Bush = affecting plainspoken rural simplicity <-> Carles = affecting plainspoken urban cool. they have more in common then they think, but I don't think they come from the same lineage.

― please login or register if you are (unregistered), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:44 (ten years ago)

(and yeah, I know it's slightly ridiculous to cite Hipster Runoff as a trendsetter in 2015)

― please login or register if you are (unregistered), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:45 (ten years ago)

not seeing it

― Tanukious D' (wins), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:48 (ten years ago)

True that

― Iago Galdston, Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:49 (ten years ago)

I can't tell you how strange it was to hear Bush slicing off those pronouns in '88. Using "I" meant he wasn't being sufficiently humble, according to Peggy Noonan.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 January 2015 23:58 (ten years ago)

not getting over "speak to" sthing

― local eire man (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 January 2015 01:01 (ten years ago)

Starting to get annoyed at 'hot mess'

― MaresNest, Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:26 (ten years ago)

starting

― contenderizer, Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:42 (ten years ago)

not getting over "speak to" sthing

― local eire man (darraghmac),

speak to
in terms of
with respect to

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:45 (ten years ago)

I'm getting used to "hot mess", but for a long time it had strong connotations of "diarrhea" for me.

― how's life, Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:55 (ten years ago)

"...because of the way it's culturally encoded."

― the gabhal cabal (Bob Six), Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:57 (ten years ago)

and anally encoded

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 January 2015 13:14 (ten years ago)

with respect to

'in respect of' I associate with lawyerly Blairite politician stroke wankers

― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 January 2015 13:41 (ten years ago)

... even worse I've noticeD Ian Wright now can't get through a sentence without using it

― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 January 2015 13:59 (ten years ago)

Hot Mess could have been a swarthy 1978 EuroDisco outfit.

― MaresNest, Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:26 (ten years ago)

"FTW." "Aaaaaaannnnnd..." I'll take "impact" as a verb over any and all internet shorthand. I'm not even sure what "Aaaaaaannnnnd..." is supposed to communicate.

― clemenza, Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:45 (ten years ago)

have i mentioned how much i hate, hate, hate people who say they love, love, love things

― kola superdeep borehole (harbl), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:52 (ten years ago)

ITT: Tell The Beatles to Fuck Off

― Tanukious D' (wins), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:57 (ten years ago)

i really hate "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over"

― brimstead, Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:06 (ten years ago)

Have we mentioned "disrupt" yet? Because tech-hype speak is a subsection of corporate/PR jargon that really makes me wanna slit throats. The desperate employing of stupid catchphrases and insider terms to grant oneself an air of importance and connectedness is like that thing dumbass entertainment reporters do when they employ cutesy nicknames for celebrities as if they were close personal friends.

Only I travel a lot, so I have to encounter shit like "disrupt" on huge banner adverts in airports all over this dumbass continent featuring smug-ass Bay Area-types who usually turn out to be Part of the Problem.

― Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:23 (ten years ago)

definition of insanity includes repeating that phrase over and over

― Vic Perry, Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:29 (ten years ago)

Disruption is very popular these days. Doesn't bother me though, appropriate in some business contexts.

― Jeff, Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:30 (ten years ago)

Disrupt will soon go the way of synergy and satisficing all the ones I have blissfully forgotten.

― Vic Perry, Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:33 (ten years ago)

that sentence came out funny

― Vic Perry, Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:33 (ten years ago)

"Definitely" as a meaningless intensifier of assurance. "I'll definitely get right on that for you."

― contenderizer, Monday, 12 January 2015 01:41 (ten years ago)

^ often used every other sentence

― contenderizer, Monday, 12 January 2015 01:42 (ten years ago)

So true, I have to be careful to remove excess "definitely" and "very" usage, and I still don't get to all the ones that ought to go. Verbally, with no hope of editing, I add these stupid "definitely"s to the point where I sound like some sleazy car salesman closing a deal.

**************

Here's one closer to grammar pedant stuff, an association I don't want because I don't have any sympathy for 99% of the usage that bothers them, but anyway. Where I live absolutely everybody says and writes "based off" rather than "based on". Like, nothing is based ON anything, it's always based off of something. "This movie was based off of a true story." "We decided not to do it based off of our financial figures."

Why does this usage in particular irritate me, when I couldn't care less about "could care less" or "irregardless"? I can't explain. Even the illogicality of it doesn't explain it.

― Vic Perry, Monday, 12 January 2015 04:51 (ten years ago)

it's become an area of general prepositional confusion-- you never know whether you'll get an "on", an "off", or an "off of"... at this rate, it won't be long before "based of" enters the lingo. (I'd like to give a shout-out to the perennially underused "based in", before it goes the way of the neanderthal)

social experiment: next time someone drops "based off" in a conversation or a meeting, look puzzled and ask them to repeat what they just said

― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 12 January 2015 06:18 (ten years ago)

**on 2nd thought "based in" strongly suggests location, which limits its general usefulness

― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 12 January 2015 06:20 (ten years ago)

Googling the phrase led me to this site. Parody or real?

http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/5514/Dr-House-is-based-off-of-Sherlock-Holmes

― Vic Perry, Monday, 12 January 2015 06:33 (ten years ago)

clickbait. not sure if that's a category of its own these days.

― salsa shark, Monday, 12 January 2015 07:40 (ten years ago)

I'm getting used to "hot mess", but for a long time it had strong connotations of "diarrhea" for me.

i think it's supposed to? it's a euphemism for looking like shit, or something not entirely unshitlike.

― mitt fleekwood (get bent), Monday, 12 January 2015 07:49 (ten years ago)

relly dislike "creativity" or "creative" to describe a supposedly positive value in art, usually identifying a vague and purposeless unpredictability. It just seems to have so little to do with what actually makes art good.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:42 (ten years ago)

"man _____" e.g. "man clothes" "man purse" "man bag" "man cave" "man boobs" "the man show"

― marcos, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:33 (ten years ago)

^^^

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:34 (ten years ago)

Any variation of "Can I just ask a quick question?"

― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:37 (ten years ago)

lol did not mean that as a dig against your poster name xp, i don't have a problem with it since it is its own expression

― marcos, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:39 (ten years ago)

while we're on the subject, "creatives" to describe designers and the like >:[

― contenderizer, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:44 (ten years ago)

have so had it with "the problem with"
1) kindly stop telling me what the problem is
2) the problem with the problem with the problem is the problem

spent time at a meeting trying to explain that what some people thought was "the problem" was merely a symptom of the actual issue we were discussing and it was very very very tiresome

― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 19:17 (ten years ago)

Courtesy of dean burnett 2015:

No, no, no.
No. Na. Nein. Non. Nyet. Mhai. Illai. Não. Nee. Ne. Nope. Negatory. Nada. No way, Jose. Nil. Nu. Nie. Bu Dui. Iie. Nem. Nullus. Nej. Neen. And, in case any Klingons are reading this, Ghobe!

^this trope is for cunts

― ØYE MATS (wins), Monday, 19 January 2015 13:41 (ten years ago)

When I visited my folks, we took my daughter to a puppet show in suburban maryland and the woman who was kind of herding everyone into the theater (where most of the seating was on the floor) kept saying "Our style of seating is criss-cross applesauce, please move forward and we are sitting criss-cross applesauce." It made me never want to leave New York again.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:24 (ten years ago)

wtf does that mean?

― this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:26 (ten years ago)

It means cross your legs. Also unfortunately referred to, in my childhood, as "indian style."

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:27 (ten years ago)

Which, it actually never occurred to me until now, was probably a reference to a caricatured yoga pose rather than Native Americans.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:27 (ten years ago)

weird.

― this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:27 (ten years ago)

More likely Native American? My granny used to tell me off for sitting on my haunches, saying "You're sitting like a Chinee".

― Peas Be Upon Ham (Tom D.), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:31 (ten years ago)

haha http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indian_style

― kola superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:41 (ten years ago)

criss-cross applesauce (not comparable)

(childish, US, regional, idiomatic) (of sitting): cross-legged

Usage notes

Generally used by nursery school and primary school teachers to children, sometimes followed by “spoons in the bowl” to mean “hands in your lap”, strengthening analogy with a bowl of applesauce; alternatively, “spoons in your bowl”, “spoons in your lap”.

― Ottbot jr (NickB), Monday, 19 January 2015 15:42 (ten years ago)

i've also heard pretzel-style lately

― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 16:00 (ten years ago)

please move forward and we are sitting criss-cross applesauce

this is killing me

― example (crüt), Monday, 19 January 2015 16:03 (ten years ago)

Yeah, that annoyed me when I first heard it too, when my kid went to nursery school. Gotten used to it though. Better than Indian Style. Now, he says they just say "cross-legged" or "pretzel-legs".

― american tail/american pie (how's life), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:29 (ten years ago)

"Tailor-fashion" is kind of interesting. I've never heard that before.

― jmm, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:33 (ten years ago)

definitely think of tailors in 19th century cartoons or children's book sitting cross-legged, at least in the UK

― Gombeen Dance Band (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:35 (ten years ago)

Yeah, it makes sense, since a lot of tailors probably sat on the floor to have more room. It's interesting that it was such a conspicuous way of sitting as to find its way into the language.

― jmm, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:39 (ten years ago)

Not sure what's wrong with just using cross-legged tbh

― Peas Be Upon Ham (Tom D.), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:39 (ten years ago)

I've never used anything else

― venting lex stream anger. (wins), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:41 (ten years ago)

offensive to christians iirc

― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:45 (ten years ago)

cross-legged could imply legs crossed while sitting in a chair or with legs stretched out and crossed at the ankle

― Gombeen Dance Band (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:46 (ten years ago)

Yeah I use it for those too

― venting lex stream anger. (wins), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:50 (ten years ago)

It is also named after various plains-dwelling nomads: in English Indian style, in many European languages "Turkish style", and in Japanese agura (胡座 The sitting style of non-Han ethnics (particularly Turks, Mongols and other Central Asians.)?).

Lots of good options here.

― jmm, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:51 (ten years ago)

sure and why not but the difference explains why people may have adopted more specific terminology

― Gombeen Dance Band (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:52 (ten years ago)

"applesauce" is probably just a convenient mnemonic for people too stupid to remember what sitting that way is called, such as the obnoxious woman herding us into the theater

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:53 (ten years ago)

I say "sitting cross-legged on the floor" and all the alternatives itt are horrible, I'm open to other suggestions

― venting lex stream anger. (wins), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:54 (ten years ago)

Which, it actually never occurred to me until now, was probably a reference to a caricatured yoga pose rather than Native Americans.

lotus position is a totally different type of crossed legs though, couldn't imagine any teachers trying to force kids to do that

― Ottbot jr (NickB), Monday, 19 January 2015 17:56 (ten years ago)

Working on hunting shirts or any other project, we tailors sit cross-legged, while the two seamstresses of our shop don't do so primarily because of differences in our wardrobes. Most depictions of tailors from the eighteenth century show them sitting cross-legged (still known elsewhere as "tailor style"). It's not hard to find the reasons. It allows you to hold your work in your lap, given that, unlike other artisans, tailors didn't work at a bench or table. Secondly, it allows you to spread your tools around you and in your lap for easy access. Thirdly, and I can vouch for this from personal experience, once you train your body to sit in this fashion, your lower back muscles tighten slightly, allowing you to sit for extended periods without leaning against a chair or fidgeting much. In fact, one theory about the name (sartorius; think sartorial, as in clothes) and nickname (tailor's muscle) for the longest muscle in the human body, in the thigh, has to do with sitting tailor fashion. The practice continued well beyond the 1770s, as you can see in this image of a Wichita, Kansas, shop from around the turn of the last century. (link)

― jmm, Monday, 19 January 2015 18:03 (ten years ago)

après-ski

― marcos, Monday, 26 January 2015 21:10 (ten years ago)

"think ____" used instead of "for example, ____" or "such as ____"

i find "think" to be very common in dumb bloggy salon/slate/atlantic/nytimes thinkpieces that are trying to be authoritative. i really don't like the imperative tone, the "think THIS not THAT" as a way to way to make a point. i can't find an immediate example since it is hard to search for on its own, but something like:

"and the boundaries between fashion and tech trends are blurring everyday - think apple watch and google glass"

― marcos, Monday, 26 January 2015 21:24 (ten years ago)

think ____ sounds a lot like parenthetical read: ____

― Mordy, Monday, 26 January 2015 21:25 (ten years ago)

"_______ much?"

― just1n3, Monday, 26 January 2015 21:28 (ten years ago)

the woman who was kind of herding everyone into the theater (where most of the seating was on the floor) kept saying "Our style of seating is criss-cross applesauce, please move forward and we are sitting criss-cross applesauce."

I am annoyed by this even apart from the super annoying phrasing. I have a dodgy knee, I am not sitting on the floor in any formation for more than 2 minutes thanks

― club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 26 January 2015 21:55 (ten years ago)

"utilize"

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 January 2015 21:56 (ten years ago)

offensive to christians iirc

― Mordy, Monday, January 19, 2015 11:45 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A+ joke.

― Vic Perry, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:18 (ten years ago)

"_______ much?"

KILL

RAGE

*steam coming out of ears*

― no fucks given or implied (get bent), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 09:56 (ten years ago)

and thank heavens people have cooled it with the "got _____?"

― no fucks given or implied (get bent), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 09:56 (ten years ago)

"cow-orker"

it's funny cuz "cow" is in it

― no fucks given or implied (get bent), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 00:05 (ten years ago)

Yummy and, worse, yucky used in recipes and food blogs.

― about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:43 (ten years ago)

Yummy 20 minute meals that avoid yucky processed ingredients!

Ugh are you four years old? What are you doing using the stove???

― about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:44 (ten years ago)

"adult beverages"

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:44 (ten years ago)

just order a lemonade and hand over the martini, fool.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:44 (ten years ago)

The phrase "(adjective) goodness" used in place of a noun. E.g. "flaky puff pastry filled with chocolaty goodness". This is everywhere and it's so lazy!

― ghetto phablet (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:51 (ten years ago)

The phrase "(adjective) goodness" used in place of a noun. E.g. "flaky puff pastry filled with chocolaty goodness." This is everywhere and it's so lazy!

― ghetto phablet (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:51 (ten years ago)

Oops sorry

― ghetto phablet (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:53 (ten years ago)

adding "man" to the beginning of words (ex. manscaping, mansplaining, mangina). I want to slap the living shit out of people who do that. Also, "amazeballs." DIE.

― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 06:55 (ten years ago)

Yummy and, worse, yucky used in recipes and food blogs.

I see your yummy (which I agree is awful) and raise you 'scrummy', ugh

basically all food blogs are awful and full of irritating words/usages/etc, not to mention boring longwinded stories about the origin of a recipe interspersed between a dozen 'arty' pictures of ingredients laid out on an artisan chopping board or whatever the fuck, like stfu and just tell me how to make the thing

on a similar note, the word 'tummy' when it is used in text/dialogue aimed at full grown adults

― salsa shark, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 07:44 (ten years ago)

nom?

― conrad, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 07:46 (ten years ago)

uugghhh

― salsa shark, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 07:53 (ten years ago)

I really hate the use of 'think' or 'think about it' especially when the user clearly isn't themselves or probably can't.

Also the idea that citing an example automatically cancels out something else that would also fit.
& slippery slope arguments in general aren't great

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 09:33 (ten years ago)

salsa shark you are the OTMest.

― about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 12:38 (ten years ago)

on a similar note, the word 'tummy' when it is used in text/dialogue aimed at full grown adults

I refuse to use this even in the context of my baby.

"Your baby needs TUMMY TIME!"
"Then I shall place him on his stomach"

― joygoat, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 16:06 (ten years ago)

swingeing looks gross every time

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 16:08 (ten years ago)

Seems to me that when I see the phrase "Think about it.", the writer is coming off a right-wing-nut rant of some sort.
xxxp

― Moon tells the salt (doo dah), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 16:46 (ten years ago)

and, "Hope me", instead of "Help me".

― Moon tells the salt (doo dah), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 16:47 (ten years ago)

Was metafilter the origin of that? http://metatalk.metafilter.com/1403/fghdfhdfg

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:07 (ten years ago)

Yes, for me at least, among other annoyances.

― Moon tells the salt (doo dah), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:44 (ten years ago)

I just got a spam email with the header "Let's talk about your bag situation."

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:57 (ten years ago)

"game" replaced "situation" years ago smh

― ghetto phablet (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:19 (ten years ago)

I just got a spam email with the header "Let's talk about your bag situation."

lol I got this too and mentally said "Oh god let's please not" and hit Delete.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:32 (ten years ago)

I don't have anything resembling a "situation" when it comes to bags, unless you count the cabinet full of reusable grocery totes.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:40 (ten years ago)

"game" replaced "situation" years ago smh

― ghetto phablet (rip van wanko), Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:19 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Another recent one urged me to "step up" my "sock game"

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:41 (ten years ago)

ime this is mostly used when someone wants to say something boring (buy these socks, i like your shirt) and can't just say it plainly
step up your sock game!
you've really on point with your shirt game!

― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:45 (ten years ago)

you've = you're

― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:45 (ten years ago)

Back when I used to do that sort of thing I wrote a short story about a very dull man who thought he was a hotshot and would do things like say to himself "Time for a little burger action" as he was pulling into a Wendy's. Seems like the same concept.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:50 (ten years ago)

that's all i see when people use language like that
someone says "damn my spaghetti game is on point" and my brain translates "i think i make really good spaghetti"

― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:54 (ten years ago)

the analysis situation in this thread is off the heazy

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:55 (ten years ago)

it's doesn't bother me necessarily but the person's intention shines brighter than their statement

― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:56 (ten years ago)

game game strong

― example (crüt), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:58 (ten years ago)

i'm game to up my game game with this venison, but i hope i'm not gaming the system.

― no fucks given or implied (get bent), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:42 (ten years ago)

I put in a new staircase this weekend -- really upped my step game

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:48 (ten years ago)

sounds like you took it to another level

― why you gotta be so rmde (NickB), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:50 (ten years ago)

landinged that one

― local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 January 2015 00:33 (ten years ago)

I remember this gross dude I knew in the 90s that referred to his facial hair as his "flavor savor" so that.

― Darin, Thursday, 29 January 2015 00:51 (ten years ago)

"saver", surely

― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 January 2015 01:52 (ten years ago)

Favor Savior

― about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Thursday, 29 January 2015 03:17 (ten years ago)

Yeah flavour saver is so gross. OTOH, the pidgin for moustache is "mouth grass" which totally rules, so.

― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 29 January 2015 04:39 (ten years ago)

Hello. I clicked on this thread to express my disgust with the misuse of "penultimate" but it appears I already did it ten years ago under the moniker "Anyone For Newcomb." Not for nothin' but I have no recollection of making that post.

Submitted for your displeasure: the incredibly annoying suffix "licious" Booty-licious, Jersey-licious, etc. Barf out man!

― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 29 January 2015 05:06 (ten years ago)

simultaneous cranial anal bi-location.
Or at least people with this rare skill do. Or is it that rare, hope it is.

― Stevolende, Thursday, 29 January 2015 08:57 (ten years ago)

basically all food blogs are awful and full of irritating words/usages/etc, not to mention boring longwinded stories about the origin of a recipe interspersed between a dozen 'arty' pictures of ingredients laid out on an artisan chopping board or whatever the fuck, like stfu and just tell me how to make the thing

lol otm, i just immediately scroll down to the bottom where they finally post the recipe

― marcos, Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:31 (ten years ago)

if i'm not in a rush i can enjoy some photos or artisan chopping blocks but otherwise it can be very tedious

― marcos, Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:32 (ten years ago)

i don't look at food blogs at all anymore because that was irritating me so intensely
i get that way about everything where the person explaining something inserts themselves too much into what they're explaining
like teachers who make too many jokes

― groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:34 (ten years ago)

I was just listening to an otherwise really good lecture from iTunes U. where the (famous) professor kept saying "I'm oversimplifying..." -- it drove me crazy.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:42 (ten years ago)

It's like saying "I have five cards with important information on them, but I'm just going to show you one of them, try not to think about the other four"

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:43 (ten years ago)

I clicked on this thread to express my disgust with the misuse of "penultimate"

People do this? It seems like a weird word to pull out if you aren't planning to use it exactly as intended. Like using 'septuagenarian' as a descriptor for all old people.

― Hairpiece Trough (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:47 (ten years ago)

M-O-U-T-H-F-E-E-L

― qualx, Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:55 (ten years ago)

yes

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:56 (ten years ago)

That one popped up hilariously in a recent Bob's Burgers.

― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:58 (ten years ago)

http://38.media.tumblr.com/0c813e20312065adbedc5cbb94189dc0/tumblr_ngjdj2Ntri1rj8nzio1_400.gif

― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 29 January 2015 14:59 (ten years ago)

/I clicked on this thread to express my disgust with the misuse of "penultimate"/
People do this? It seems like a weird word to pull out if you aren't planning to use it exactly as intended. Like using 'septuagenarian' as a descriptor for all old people.

I was reading about misused words and found this:

Turns out, the San Francisco Symphony had used “penultimate” improperly in a recent program description of a certain Mozart symphony....

“All the otherworldly ability that Mozart possessed was brought to bear in the Jupiter Symphony, the final—and perhaps penultimate—symphony he produced.”

― Je55e, Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:08 (ten years ago)

Maybe they mean it was perhaps the second best?

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:08 (ten years ago)

This use never occurred to me!

Australian TV reported a few months ago, “AMP clears penultimate hurdle to buy AXA AP,” which, the news presenter explained, meant that the corporation’s takeover bid had “cleared the final hurdles.” Here, the use of “penultimate” is as a synonym for “final”

― Je55e, Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:11 (ten years ago)

I always assumed everyone learned the word from the Monty Python "penultimate supper" joke, and hence knew what it meant.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:13 (ten years ago)

misuse of whom and whomever

i have been trying to think of a good analogy for this phenomenon of doing something that is sort of an 'advanced level' move, but actually totally unnecessary in the first place, and then completely fucking it up. the ultimate of course is doing this while supposedly correcting someone else.

it is...extremely annoying to me

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:04 (ten years ago)

dunnism

― local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:04 (ten years ago)

wassat?

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:07 (ten years ago)

http://youtu.be/x4fsLeCjB4s

― local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:09 (ten years ago)

beautiful, thank you. i am ashamed that didn't register immediately.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:10 (ten years ago)

altho it is not exactly the same thing i lump "feel badly" in with this too

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:17 (ten years ago)

'so this happened' or it's permutations

― Nekomizu don't work (MaresNest), Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:52 (ten years ago)

'This is the moment...' It's used a lot on news websites, usually where an embedded video, or still image from one, shows a CCTV camera capture of a crime or other incident:

This is the moment a “senseless” yob pushed an 82-year-old lollipop man to the floor and ran off with his stick.

This is the incredible moment a man is mugged for his bag - and gets up to chase after his assailants.

This is the heart-melting moment an adorable little kitten is saved after finding herself stuck under a Land Rover's bonnet.

THIS is the moment a former showjumping horse had to be dramatically winched upside down out of a metre-wide WELL in an unbelievable rescue mission.

― dubmill, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:56 (ten years ago)

file under: I couldn't stop sobbing
and what happened next changed my life
you'll never believe what this toddler/grandma/teacher did

all the same thing

― groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:09 (ten years ago)

this 'weird trick'

― Nekomizu don't work (MaresNest), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:12 (ten years ago)

How about "10 Things You Didn't Know About ______ That You Actually Totally Knew About _____" or "5 Obscure Albums You've Never Heard Except For The Fact That You Have"

― Pastor Of Muppets (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:13 (ten years ago)

It's like...you don't know me. How dare you. How dare you.

― Pastor Of Muppets (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:14 (ten years ago)

misuse of whom and whomever

it is...extremely annoying to me

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:04 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercorrection

― wins, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:15 (ten years ago)

nice, ty

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:22 (ten years ago)

James Thurber should always have the last word on who v whom:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3955

― ledge, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:22 (ten years ago)

"Furever home".

STOP IT.

― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:18 (ten years ago)

Nooooooooo really??? No.

― about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:42 (ten years ago)

No as in youve never heard that one? Ugh they use it all the time at pounds/shelters. "take me to my furever home!". NO.

― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Friday, 30 January 2015 00:00 (ten years ago)

"Inbox"

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 30 January 2015 00:03 (ten years ago)

'_______ is one of our finest ______'

just say they're good ffs

― mookieproof, Friday, 30 January 2015 00:36 (ten years ago)

But Mookie is one of our finest proofs!

― Jeff, Friday, 30 January 2015 01:03 (ten years ago)

'cray-cray'

― Wiggywoo, Friday, 30 January 2015 04:12 (ten years ago)

Confusing/confused use of "percent" or "percentage" in journalism. For example, you sometimes see an article claiming that homeownership rates "fell four percent" when what's actually meant is "fell four percentage points.'

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 15:00 (ten years ago)

How else would you interpret fell four percent?

― badg, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 15:29 (ten years ago)

Number of homeowners dropped by four percent. E.g., say there are 100 million people in a country, and half of them are homeowners. You have 50 million homeowners, and a 50% homeownership rate. If the homeownership rate falls by 10 percentage points, you now have a 40% homeownership rate, and 40 million homeowners. If homeownership falls by 10 percent, you now have 45 million homeowners.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 15:50 (ten years ago)

because the "price point" of homes is too high prob

― kola superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 5 February 2015 02:33 (ten years ago)

on the spectrum

― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 5 February 2015 04:22 (ten years ago)

would kill to never have to read or hear "meh" again

― qualx, Thursday, 5 February 2015 04:43 (ten years ago)

"______ gets it", in reference to people/things that are obviously not capable of "getting it". this baby gets it, this dog gets it, this penguin knows wassup, this bee colony really has life figured out. please just stop.

― i ain't marchant anymore (unregistered), Friday, 13 February 2015 19:22 (ten years ago)

^^^gets it

― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 February 2015 19:25 (ten years ago)

^^ first to jump into pool yelling "CANNONBALL!"

― Aimless, Friday, 13 February 2015 19:27 (ten years ago)

would kill to never have to read or hear "meh" again

― qualx, Wednesday, February 4, 2015 11:43 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I ilx-mailed you the dossier

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 13 February 2015 19:28 (ten years ago)

^^^gets it

well shit

― i ain't marchant anymore (unregistered), Friday, 13 February 2015 19:42 (ten years ago)

"crossfit box" obv

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 14 February 2015 00:19 (ten years ago)

"business angel"

― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 09:25 (ten years ago)

getting so sick of "hack"

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:21 (ten years ago)

like "hack and slash" or "that guy is such a hack"

― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:22 (ten years ago)

or like hacking computers?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:23 (ten years ago)

like in the sense of "lifehacks", e.g. "cut your travel time in half with this commuting hack"

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:25 (ten years ago)

"24 fitness hacks that will make exercising easier" (real buzzfeed article)

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:26 (ten years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_hacking

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:26 (ten years ago)

I cannot wait for "disrupt" to pass out of the tech lexicon

― DJP, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:27 (ten years ago)

i cannot wait for the entire tech lexicon to be thrown in a garbage bucket

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:27 (ten years ago)

"life hack" is discussed at length upthread

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:28 (ten years ago)

"business angel"

― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:25 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this similar to "angel investor"? Cuz I hate that one.

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:29 (ten years ago)

xp yes! i knew it was talked about on some thread but i didn't search this one

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:30 (ten years ago)

ironically, most of the people who use "hack" are hacks

― walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:30 (ten years ago)

"This is how we do"

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:08 (ten years ago)

e.g. "Another snowstorm in Boston? No biggie. This is how we do"

― marcos, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:09 (ten years ago)

I cannot wait for "disrupt" to pass out of the tech lexicon

― DJP, Tuesday, March 3, 2015 7:27 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:13 (ten years ago)

as long as it also stays out of the educational sphere i'm ok with that

― groundless round (La Lechera), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:14 (ten years ago)

lol, too late...

― Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:17 (ten years ago)

gaydar

― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:24 (ten years ago)

Use of "tech" to describe 'anything we don't understand' and applied to everything from a Leatherman to a webpage has REALLY started to grip my shit over he past couple of weeks.

― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:52 (ten years ago)

τέχνη basically covers any manual skill or craft. technology in its broad sense can refer to cans and can openers just as much as to iPhones and routers. we used to call out specifically "high tech" to make this distinction.

― Aimless, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:02 (ten years ago)

"He is a good man"

"Good person" is fine by me, but "good man" has this vague air of gravity or officialness or I don't know what that's just irritating.

― ed.b, Sunday, 8 March 2015 01:47 (ten years ago)

"I could tell you what that stores' name was, but I've slept since then."

― pplains, Sunday, 8 March 2015 17:37 (ten years ago)

Hoo boy yeah, misplaced apostrophes, don't get me started

― kinder, Sunday, 8 March 2015 18:40 (ten years ago)

Soon as I posted that, I thought, "Oh, great. A typo on the pedantic thread."

― pplains, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:03 (ten years ago)

not sure pedantic is the right word

― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:04 (ten years ago)

B-|

― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:04 (ten years ago)

There's a sentence fragment up there too.

― pplains, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:06 (ten years ago)

I've slept since then.

I don't know what this means.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:11 (ten years ago)

^ I've never even heard that!

― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:12 (ten years ago)

"you're better than that"

― brimstead, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:12 (ten years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/K3XHPKK.png

― pplains, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:18 (ten years ago)

"Elite" as applied to sports. (Just read John Dewan, whom I generally like, refer to Jonathan LuCroy's "elite framing.") Isn't "excellent" good enough?

― clemenza, Sunday, 8 March 2015 21:55 (ten years ago)

Still no blaze of comprehension--not even a spark. Is this a regionalism? Or...a quote from something?

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:02 (ten years ago)

This is maybe where I should say that it took me several years to understand the thread title "Don't go back on your raisin" because I couldn't figure out what raisins had to do with anything.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:03 (ten years ago)

I don't get it either!

― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:11 (ten years ago)

Or the raisin thing, but I'm not really trying there.

― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:11 (ten years ago)

I thought it was a Southern thing, but it might be just an Old Man thing.

http://www.androidguys.com/2011/03/04/solution-phrase-slept/

Ha. came across this one and I think I went to college with this guy. Maybe it's a Midwestern thing.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g60927-d4455771-i77660510-Bleu_Bistro-Corpus_Christi_Texas.html

http://i.imgur.com/VpfuBk3.png

― pplains, Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:20 (ten years ago)

And I'm fully on the record of not having either heard or having a clue what that raisin phrase meant before it was added into an ILX thread title.

― pplains, Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:21 (ten years ago)

Adam Raisoned a Cain

― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 9 March 2015 01:20 (ten years ago)

probably been mentioned but "Crossfit box"

― mushaboom kids (rip van wanko), Monday, 9 March 2015 03:11 (ten years ago)

http://www.waywordradio.org/ive-slept-since-then/

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 March 2015 03:41 (ten years ago)

is "box" their special snowflake word for "gym"?

― how's life, Monday, 9 March 2015 09:47 (ten years ago)

Big Data

― marcos, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:07 (ten years ago)

Big Pharma

― marcos, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:08 (ten years ago)

Big Ag

― marcos, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:08 (ten years ago)

Big Pharma really annoys me because I mostly hear it from anti-vac people

― five six and (man alive), Monday, 9 March 2015 15:17 (ten years ago)

It's like turning over the chess board -- "Well the CDC is controlled by BIG PHARMA"

― five six and (man alive), Monday, 9 March 2015 15:18 (ten years ago)

Anyone still using "I can't even..."

― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 9 March 2015 15:38 (ten years ago)

"late capitalism" - sorry guys capitalism is going to be around regenerating itself and fucking up the earth forever

― example (crüt), Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:09 (ten years ago)

i think its useful as a way of indicating that this is the last stage capitalism will be recognizable in its traditional form. the foundation of how a market works may stay the same but micro transactions, high frequency trading, 3d printing, online crowdfunding, automation/robotics etc (all phrases that annoy...) all point to a much more unrecognizable form that's clearly right around the corner. the generation born a few decades from now may not even recognize physical currency, which would be a pretty big break from everything thats come before.

― dutch_justice, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:29 (ten years ago)

nevermind, wikipedia says i'm off with my definition, didn't realize it was a marxist term. i'm now fully onboard with it being annoying

― dutch_justice, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:31 (ten years ago)

it keeps getting later
and later and later
i feel like i'm in
a falling
elevator

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:35 (ten years ago)

"late capitalism" is pretty useful IMO, just not if you're using it in an apocalyptic way (like you're reading the tea leaves that it's doomed, doomed!). at the least, it's possible to have meaningful and interesting discussions about whether the term is applicable or whether the purported changes are just spatial (i.e. it's the same capitalism as before but many of its classical formations have been disappeared to Somewhere Else in globalization).

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 March 2015 16:11 (ten years ago)

Using "pup" instead of dog

― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 15 March 2015 16:25 (ten years ago)

using parental/child terms for pets

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2015 16:29 (ten years ago)

I've called my dog "pups" forever and have started referring to my baby the same way (though sometimes he's "bubs"). I'm doing it wrong all ways and in reverse.

― joygoat, Sunday, 15 March 2015 16:32 (ten years ago)

xp "baybehs" in particular

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 March 2015 16:32 (ten years ago)

"late capitalism" is permanently cursed with that Hegelian/Marxian conceit of predicting world history we should not still have to suffer through. These guys were lousy prophets. Anthropology exploded the idea that there are specific repeatable paths of cultural progress long ago. Find another term.

― Vic Perry, Sunday, 15 March 2015 16:33 (ten years ago)

yeah sure, but a phrase that describes "thing that emerged somewhere in the last century, different from the capitalism observed by marx through lenin," divorced from the above, isn't without use.

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 March 2015 17:06 (ten years ago)

basically you can actually use it productively in a conversation about something, which puts it wayyyyy above most of the stuff in this thread by default IMO.

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 March 2015 17:07 (ten years ago)

late capitalism is less obfuscatory than neoliberalism, which to me seems to imply that the exploitative elements of our current world system are due to something new, rather than just a reformulated capitalism

― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Sunday, 15 March 2015 17:17 (ten years ago)

kudos to anthropology

― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 March 2015 19:14 (ten years ago)

well yeah...sorry it took looking at some other cultures to get (some of) us to realize our process of development was not "THE" process of development.

― Vic Perry, Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:15 (ten years ago)

capitalism is a global system though. i think it makes sense to look at it as a whole instead of assuming that societies have their own culturally specific "capitalisms"

― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:28 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

when people call men 'men' and women 'females'.

― estela, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:00 (ten years ago)

whenever i hear that, i always recall that rubbish skit by anti-pop consortium called 'tron man speaks' where someone says 'there's nothing wrong with females'.

― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:14 (ten years ago)

They're strong as hell

― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:29 (ten years ago)

estela OTM

― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:33 (ten years ago)

"Lashes out". I am lashing out at people who use the phrase.

― in an awkward manor (doo dah), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:23 (ten years ago)

i'm lashing out rite now *eye flutter*

― laraaji p. hensen (clouds), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:32 (ten years ago)

two months pass...

starting to feel like "zero fucks given" should be put into a fucking trash bag

― marcos, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:41 (nine years ago)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/716/134/b1a.jpg

― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:44 (nine years ago)

irl lol

― marcos, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:47 (nine years ago)

For consistency, I feel like the first line should say "thy fucks," right?

― kate78, Thursday, 23 July 2015 20:30 (nine years ago)

three weeks pass...

uptrend

― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 14:31 (nine years ago)

committing acts of journalism, committed journalism, or any variant upon

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 14:35 (nine years ago)

having skin in the game

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 14:35 (nine years ago)

When some financial or political disclosure is described as "opening the kimono"

― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 14:37 (nine years ago)

yeesh. never heard that one before.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 14:46 (nine years ago)

"shit the bed"

it's just horrible and it doesn't make sense in the context it's used.

― Stop counting smart one. (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 14:48 (nine years ago)

yeah, Dana Gould uses that one all the time and it's making me hate him

― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:02 (nine years ago)

There was a lot of discussion on "opening the kimono" if not on this thread then I think on a thread about business speak. Consensus: gross and racist. Or maybe I just feel so strongly about how gross and racist that is that I'm projecting my feelings into a consensus. Either way, it's gross and racist.

Oh no I use "shit the bed" sometimes to describe a catastrophic or spectacular failure over which I had no control.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:09 (nine years ago)

The way I've heard it used is: Shit the bed = Died

― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:12 (nine years ago)

Oh, I don't care for that.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:13 (nine years ago)

Lately, "veggies" has been bugging the shit out of me...

'veg'

― j., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:17 (nine years ago)

prob preaching to the choir here but p much day in day out i rewrite civil service documents into plain english. the weak sentences and non-committal use of words is extremely sad and irritating, there are thousands of examples but off the top of my head:

certain (when used to actually create uncertainty. eg "you must follow certain measures" but no indication as to what these are.)
appropriate (you must take appropriate measures - again, i'm not telling you what these are)
relevant (see above)
classified (one of about 300 words that are only ever used in a passive way, like "these are classified as" - classified by who? - see also "considered", "expected" etc)

beyond that the passive voice has come to infuriate me, it is the tool of a moron trying to sound intelligent.

it's got to the point that now anytime i see anyone use it anywhere i bristle. like i submitted a short story recently and the reply was like "submissions will be assessed" or some shit - why would you write this way?

also there's something in civil service speak and its constant lily-livered need to hide the truth or avoid responsibility that breeds these sentences where the subject is even less than an inanimate object, a scheme or a grant or a law.

like this scheme requires you to do xyz - as if no person is behind this, it's the fault of a set of words on a page if you get fined, no human being was ever involved.

― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:24 (nine years ago)

scheme be the scheme

― j., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:33 (nine years ago)

out of curiosity, why does your job require you to interpret this type of language?

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:33 (nine years ago)

i write for gov.uk - basically i take old 'guidance' for people on how to follow laws or do things they need to do and i turn it into plain english based on a style guide and set of layout principles. i mainly work on environmental/farming/food topics so there's some really archaic content up there, often really complicated scientific stuff as well.

here is an example - i hope it has no typos: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/issuing-plant-passports-to-trade-plants-in-the-eu

nothing is ever perfect though, eg in that one we link off to a ton of lists because after a lot of fighting and swearing this was a compromise we made to the people who are experts.

it's prob the most challenging/interesting/frustrating job i've done - it's full of conflict, everyone we work with hates us in the end. this just amuses me though because at the start they can be all positive and civil service in their tone, like "regards, etc" and i'm just thinking enjoy this last time we are civil, as soon as you see my draft you'll fucking hate me and that's how i know i'm doing my job, lolz.

― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:47 (nine years ago)

How do you all feel about 'identify' taking a whole proposition as its object? e.g.

"Researchers identified that a gene that causes vitamin D deficiency may also cause MS."

"We identified that there were three issues to be addressed."

I read this all the time for work and it's incredibly common, but it never sounds quite natural to me.

― jmm, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:02 (nine years ago)

xp ooh that's interesting! good to have a thick skin about stuff like this -- the people who write those sentences are just pissed that their obfuscation was removed. boohoo.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:04 (nine years ago)

xp wrong just wrong

― j., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:05 (nine years ago)

so wrong

― drash, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:08 (nine years ago)

xp ooh that's interesting! good to have a thick skin about stuff like this -- the people who write those sentences are just pissed that their obfuscation was removed. boohoo.

yeah that's it exactly. i'm lucky in that my team is very hardcore in the way we support each other - we all have the same problems and there's lots of solidarity - plus some hilarious meetings.

― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:08 (nine years ago)

every semi-public service job i've ever had has involved managers constantly reminding me never to promise anybody anything if possible

― bombsover# (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:11 (nine years ago)

During my civil service stint iI as tasked with editing our union newsletter written by our very stupid local president (she routinely put an apostrophe in Obama, which I think nicely sums up her written communication skills). I used a fairly light hand with it and just fixed the mistakes that rendered her copy unintelligible and she not only rejected ALL of my edits and sent out the newsletter in its original form (including the typos I'd fixed and the apostrophes in Obama) but I was informed I had overstepped my bounds by editing it at all. Even though the local VP asked me to do it.

Speaking of civil servants with hurt feelings.

I stayed late to finish that so I'm still bitter.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:12 (nine years ago)

*I was tasked

Sorry. Typing with plastic things glitter nail polish soak off things on four of my fingers.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:13 (nine years ago)

also v. true, so many poor stylists who take terrible umbrage if you try to correct their public pronouncements

― bombsover# (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:14 (nine years ago)

lol, like o'bama? barry o'bama's irish bar.

every semi-public service job i've ever had has involved managers constantly reminding me never to promise anybody anything if possible

this is the golden rule! but not so bad i'd say if you consider the amount of meetings that go in the civil service. they hunt in packs. a classic is for you to go to a meeting expecting a 1 to 1 chat and there are 6 of them and 1 of you, all trying to take 4 hours of your day.

i just write things down and say "yeah sounds good, we work on the web tho so i need to check the web and think about it" - it is a real study in human behaviour that even when you have real conviction in their madness, six civil servants teaming up can make you concede things you wouldn't.

― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:15 (nine years ago)

but the no promises rule especially applies to "external customers" as well, it's a big contributor to that shifty civil service tense people write in

― bombsover# (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:18 (nine years ago)

i mean the thing i notice is that with members of the public no matter how much you say "might", "should", "hopefully" etc they still hear it as "i will do this for you right now" so the jokes on us really

― bombsover# (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:20 (nine years ago)

that's interesting that promising nothing applies to external stakeholders too - for me the no promises rule would only be for internal. with external it'd be just that the language we use is extremely clear - "must" is the law, "should" is advice, we tend to avoid any guidance that is entirely based on "should" as far as possible.

― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:24 (nine years ago)

i don't want to be too explicit here but let's just say for a long time there has been a mismatch between my sense of people's legal entitlements, best practice, and the resources of the organization i work for

― bombsover# (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:25 (nine years ago)

a mismatch that is undoubtedly sector-wide i shd add

― bombsover# (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:26 (nine years ago)

lol, like o'bama? barry o'bama's irish bar.

YES. This was at a time right after his first presidential election when the three blocks of government buildings that surrounded the government building where we worked were festooned with signs congratulating our hometown hero by name (spelled correctly) so that literally all she would have to do to double check her spelling was look out a window. Also we worked in this building:

http://interactive.wttw.com/sites/default/files/field/image/B13_a.jpg

which as you can see is mostly windows.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:33 (nine years ago)

i'm lucky in that my team is very hardcore in the way we support each other - we all have the same problems and there's lots of solidarity - plus some hilarious meetings.

same same same at my job

i was thinking recently how accustomed i am to having people lie to me -- like, all kinds of people, that i have almost reached the point where i can detect the structure of a lie as it unfolds

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:23 (nine years ago)

"coeds" for college girls

― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:32 (nine years ago)

I always figure writers use "coeds" because it's a word that sparks erotic frenzy in men from an earlier era

― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:35 (nine years ago)

it's a) gross and b) archaic

― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:47 (nine years ago)

I saw that word in a headline today and thought the same thing!

Even worse, the headline also included the word "groping".

― pplains, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:59 (nine years ago)

"coeds" for college girls

yeeess I had real trouble understanding this usage when I was in the US.

LG I'm in a civil service (-adjacent) job too and the team really try to make sure we're writing in that active, plain way - it's something that is really appreciated by myself (joeks)
Our copy editors are lovely but kind of unusual folks. There are a few bits and pieces from old style guides that had hung on for way too long that we used to argue about, like 'web-site'.

― kinder, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:03 (nine years ago)

it's not just the fellas gettin a education no more

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:28 (nine years ago)

PP, I know the exact article you reference and it pissed me off for several reasons.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:29 (nine years ago)

But that's for another thread. Or not.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:30 (nine years ago)

I didn't exactly faint from surprise that it was in there.

― pplains, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:40 (nine years ago)

dying @ o'bama

― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:44 (nine years ago)

"co-eds" still exists because it suits the needs of headline writers for short, punchy words that can substitute for several longer words and even the online world needs short punchy headlines

― Aimless, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:51 (nine years ago)

I am kind of surprised @ "coeds" still being used.

Ugh, do not search "coeds AND groping" at work!

― five six and (man alive), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:51 (nine years ago)

I'll just drop this here so no one has to search coeds groping. Got some real problems with this. Not just the headline.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/aug/19/deal-hit-in-ua-coed-s-bogus-groping-cla/

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 19:53 (nine years ago)

But again, don't wanna derail.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 19:53 (nine years ago)

no one has to search coeds groping.

'course no one's forcing you...

― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 19:54 (nine years ago)

Can't stand when people say "Why does this not surprise me?" when they just mean "this doesn't surprise me" and it's obvious why.

― five six and (man alive), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 14:34 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

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― Haino Corrida (NickB), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:02 (nine years ago)

colocation different from collocation?

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:20 (nine years ago)

colocation = two businesses/entities/schools/etc. sharing a facility.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:24 (nine years ago)

oh
did not know!

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:29 (nine years ago)

Like when a for-profit charter school headed up by a famously evil woman person has taken over your entire 4th floor and is planning to engulf part of your 3rd floor, you are what's called a "co-located" school. Just as a hypothetical example.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:34 (nine years ago)

i see
does her name rhyme with whee?

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:35 (nine years ago)

good hypo xp (conveniently that worked both as "x-post" and an emoji of me wanting to barf on Eva Moskowitz)

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:37 (nine years ago)

four weeks pass...

"close of play"

― conrad, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 14:47 (nine years ago)

'what we talk about when we talk about ______'

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 14:51 (nine years ago)

poor Raymond Carver...

― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 14:54 (nine years ago)

That is annoying, in part because the original title relies on the assonance between 'what' and 'love' to give it balance. You can't just stick any word there and get the same effect.

― jmm, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:34 (nine years ago)

yeah, I feel like I have posted about/we have discussed that somewhere before. I similarly hate "The Unbearable Lightness of ____" "A Farewell to ___" or pretty much any unearned use of a literary title, particularly where the new title has little to do with the referenced work other than sounding catchy.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:39 (nine years ago)

When people refer to music —or any art, for that matter— as "smart."

― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:40 (nine years ago)

Oddly, no one ever uses "Will You Please ___ Please" or "Where I'm ___ing From"

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:44 (nine years ago)

'[cultural product] is a poor man's [more critically acclaimed cultural product]'

Mumford and Sons are a poor man's Fleet Foxes.

'I'll see your [cultural product] and raise you [more obscure cultural product]'

I see your Mumford and Sons, and raise you Trampled By Turtles.

subtext (for both): 'my taste is better than yours, [internet message board poster]!'

― scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:01 (nine years ago)

The "see you __ and raise you __" one doesn't even make sense. If you see someone's bet of 10 and raise them 5, you're not saying 5 is better than 10.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:02 (nine years ago)

OTM

― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:04 (nine years ago)

"Let's chat with [talk to] some of those folks [clients/vendors]. I'll send a note [an email]"

The needlessly precious terminology is getting irritating. I think it's to encourage a rapport with contacts that constantly feels like friends getting tea and "catching up", but it comes off as forced to me.

― Evan, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:19 (nine years ago)

i prefer notes being sent over emails being shot

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:21 (nine years ago)

Heh, that's fair.

― Evan, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:24 (nine years ago)

Are you in the UK? In America all people doing any kind of business have spoken like they are always leaning back in their office chairs, about to launch a crumpled paper ball across the room into a trash can, for at least the last 25 years.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:43 (nine years ago)

No, I'm in America. But yeah that vibe is starting to grate more for me when forced.

― Evan, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:58 (nine years ago)

three weeks pass...

stop using 'goals' as an adjective!

― scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Sunday, 6 December 2015 15:06 (nine years ago)

i.e. 'your hair is goals','your relationship is goals'. stop it.

― scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Sunday, 6 December 2015 15:07 (nine years ago)

That's a new one for me -- what does that mean? Usage demographic?

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Sunday, 6 December 2015 15:29 (nine years ago)

Your hair looks great?

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Sunday, 6 December 2015 15:30 (nine years ago)

basically 'I aspire to make my hair look as great as yours'. I'm pretty sure it started out as a hashtag but then people started inserting it into sentences because that's what people do on twitter.

― scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Sunday, 6 December 2015 15:49 (nine years ago)

Well the good news is that it'll probably pass soon enough.

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Sunday, 6 December 2015 18:18 (nine years ago)

New to me, too. I'm going to test it to see if I can annoy #goals

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 6 December 2015 18:56 (nine years ago)

"it's worth pointing out" please stop

― reginald lin (alomar lines), Monday, 7 December 2015 00:05 (nine years ago)

xp idk if it's the oline in particular, although they haven't exactly shone. eagles have blitzed well and pass def should be the thing they do best. but NE also made it too easy for them by dropping back to pass too often.

― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 7 December 2015 00:17 (nine years ago)

rong thread obv

― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 7 December 2015 00:19 (nine years ago)

When an obviously planned performance/interview is described as someone "stopping by" ("Lianne La Havas stopped by the NPR Music offices to play two new songs — "What You Don't Do" and "Unstoppable" — as well as "Forget," from her first album, at the Tiny Desk.") I'm sure that was cutesy the first few times but it's so grating now.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 14 December 2015 02:23 (nine years ago)

on point

― Iago Galdston, Monday, 14 December 2015 03:09 (nine years ago)

"sunsetting" - corporate speak for retiring logos, mission statements, etc.

I would like to sunset people every time they uses this phrase.

― Darin, Monday, 14 December 2015 07:52 (nine years ago)

Otm re 'stop by', also e.g. 'the Forget singer will appear...'

― kinder, Monday, 14 December 2015 13:34 (nine years ago)

Well isn't "appear" as in an "appearance"? I thought that was more of a professional term. "Stopped by" is so forced folksy. "Nobel-prize-winning economist Joseph Stieglitz stopped by the studio, you know, to just shoot the shit about his studies calling into question the efficient market hypothesis. We happened to have our lil old tape machine running, give it a listen."

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 14 December 2015 18:33 (nine years ago)

It is kind of annoying--though sometimes it's preferable to the claim that "(Band) played an in-studio concert for us" when its just the singer and guitarist doing an acoustic set of two songs with the interns hooting in the background.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 14 December 2015 18:49 (nine years ago)

If you're being interviewed, you're probably really busy. they are literally "stopping by to chat". Somebody kill me.

― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 14 December 2015 23:23 (nine years ago)

"long reads"

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:16 (nine years ago)

aren't these just called articles. or essays

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:16 (nine years ago)

long articles

― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:20 (nine years ago)

longticles

― Doctor Casino, important war pigeon (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:23 (nine years ago)

it's just a way for people to low-key humblebrag. by posting "great longread in ____ on _____" on twitter you're subtly saying "look at me, i can read more than 1000 words at once"

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:25 (nine years ago)

"this link might not be for everyone. there are a LOT of words in it. but for those of you who are smart like me..."

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:25 (nine years ago)

i saw a "best longreads of 2015" link on twitter today

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:26 (nine years ago)

i can read more than 1000 words at once

huh at most I can read maybe a dozen words at once

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:28 (nine years ago)

imho ymmv there are ppl who like reading longform non-fiction and for them the neologism has some value in terms of locating more things to read (nb i sub to 2 ilx longform threads)

― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:36 (nine years ago)

what is long-form

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:38 (nine years ago)

how is it different than an essay or an investigative piece or

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:39 (nine years ago)

long articles?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:39 (nine years ago)

Ugh can someone concise mordys post 4me pls

― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:39 (nine years ago)

or any new yorker article

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:39 (nine years ago)

there's a website that specializes in these: http://longform.org nb they probably should've just called themselves essays.org

― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:40 (nine years ago)

yes i understand that the term has some currency

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:41 (nine years ago)

i find it a useful term to lump in all narrative, investigatory, or literary nonfiction articles that are over a certain length - i.e. the kind of stuff lots of people, including myself, want to read.

― Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:44 (nine years ago)

admit that there's something aesthetically displeasing about the term

― Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:45 (nine years ago)

there's also longreads dot com which popularized the word i think
i use it as a way to get my reading-averse students interested in reading

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:57 (nine years ago)

Just got out of a meeting, maybe this belongs on some business jargon thread, but "client-facing." As in, " Please don't include the Search Channel Specialists on client-facing emails." This started popping up frequently in the past few weeks, is it a buzz word now?

― Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:01 (nine years ago)

-facing is a common usage these days (outward-facing = public? vs internal i guess)
idk

jargon is disgusting

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:08 (nine years ago)

Xxpost 2015 Best American Toolongdidn'treads

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:14 (nine years ago)

When the tedium is intense, business jargon can inject some brief excitement into the day. embracing it with real enthusiasm is a sign of desperation.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:23 (nine years ago)

Otm re 'stop by', also e.g. 'the Forget singer will appear...'
― kinder, Monday, December 14, 2015 1:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well isn't "appear" as in an "appearance"? I thought that was more of a professional term.

I meant the phrasing 'the X singer' where X is literally any song they have released; I really hate it and it's everywhere

― kinder, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:42 (nine years ago)

Alternative to client-facing?

― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:48 (nine years ago)

emails that may be seen by clients?

as I sit here at my desk I am (roughly) facing the north pole. while it would be accurate to call me a north-pole-facing ilxor, this seems to say something more than it does.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:54 (nine years ago)

what's a search channel specialist?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:56 (nine years ago)

Client-facing is useful b/c it succinctly describes a lot of different things that are intended for, likely to be used by clients, as well as positions that involve directly interacting with clients.

It's a neologism but that doesn't mean it's bad, and it's not even jargon, IMO.

― Je55e, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:59 (nine years ago)

I guess "client-side" preceded "client-facing," but the latter isn't any worse.

― Je55e, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:00 (nine years ago)

"raise awareness", "provide support"

basically all modern uses of "support" as some vast vague sea in which the concept of "help" is drowning

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 10:53 (nine years ago)

that's my job man :/

― djfartin (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 10:55 (nine years ago)

I mean yeah you are right these thoughts have occured

― djfartin (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 10:55 (nine years ago)

yeah it's not the delivery of it or its existence - more like... why can't we explain it more clearly?

sometimes weak laws or legal blind spots lead to weak language though, so perhaps i'm blaming the victim...

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 10:58 (nine years ago)

(sorry if i seemed dismissive - i'm coming at it from the side of helping people also!)

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 10:59 (nine years ago)

nah it doesn't seem dismissive I have had literally the same thoughts

also I have to explain to people quite often what "support" isn't i.e. magical bypassing of somebody's actual abilities

― djfartin (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 11:00 (nine years ago)

i guess it feels like an inevitable failure when the state tries to find a universal language to talk about helping very individual problems

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 11:19 (nine years ago)

what's a search channel specialist?

Where I work it's support for search engine marketing campaigns.

― Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:23 (nine years ago)

army brat

― conrad, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:33 (nine years ago)

I keep seeing internet nerds using "nonsense / nonsense on stilts" -- I'm sure that sounded witty when Jeremy Bentham first said it but now uuuuuuugh.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 17 December 2015 04:10 (nine years ago)

"Convo" for "conversation." Just around the corner: such-and-such a player is "in the convo" for MVP.

― clemenza, Sunday, 20 December 2015 23:20 (nine years ago)

"mic drop"

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 21 December 2015 17:32 (nine years ago)

"no fucks to give" in relation to Obama is waaaay played-out

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 21 December 2015 17:40 (nine years ago)

visioning

― home organ, Monday, 21 December 2015 19:09 (nine years ago)

pretty much any of those annoying bloggy idioms becomes 10x more noxious when used in political commentary. It always reminds me of the college student govt kiss-asses trying to be cool

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 21 December 2015 20:46 (nine years ago)

the false excitement of "pop-up"

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:17 (nine years ago)

turning nouns into verbs by adding "up."

manning up
changing up

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:29 (nine years ago)

shut up

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:31 (nine years ago)

(sorry couldn't resist)

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:31 (nine years ago)

The worst is "cowgirl up"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:36 (nine years ago)

I'm afraid to ask what that means

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:51 (nine years ago)

Not really. What does that mean?

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:51 (nine years ago)

variation on "man up"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:53 (nine years ago)

I got IA at "blew up" used sixteen times in an NPR piece today e.g. "it blew up on social media"

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 21:25 (nine years ago)

"grow a pair"

― mutually aquatinted (doo dah), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:08 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

ok what is a "fuckboy" -- it feels like a failed attempt by resentful dorks to slut-shame more attractive men.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 28 January 2016 20:26 (nine years ago)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/08/18/what_does_fuckboy_mean.html

― Mordy, Thursday, 28 January 2016 20:29 (nine years ago)

I now don't understand at all.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 28 January 2016 20:41 (nine years ago)

"a worthless human" is the only definition you need to know

― clouds, Thursday, 28 January 2016 20:50 (nine years ago)

insult that sounds like a homophobic slur, but really it totally isn't!

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 29 January 2016 17:28 (nine years ago)

Rather than resentful (male) dorks, I think it mostly comes from the mouths of resentful girls these days.

― The only stan who actually ruins their faves for others (Hiisi), Sunday, 31 January 2016 07:53 (nine years ago)

I hit the point recently where the word "intersectionality" makes me want to throw a television out a window. I think it's a combination of (1) its frequent use by condescending little shits (2) the sense of wheel-reinvention it has (as though this is the first generation to notice that there is interplay between race, class, gender, etc.) (3) its vaguely pseudoscientific ring, as though it were describing something you could plot out on a graph or chart and (4) the fact that it often seems to be used in place of actual insight into the ways race/class/gender/sexuality, um, intersect, like instead of actually saying anything thoughtful about the topic, you can just say "intersectionality" and be done. I got particularly mad when some young blogger accused Gloria Steinem of not understanding intersectionality, as though the debate about race and class in feminism hasn't been going on for decades, like it has never occurred to Gloria fucking Steinem before that such a thing exists.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Saturday, 13 February 2016 05:01 (nine years ago)

I'm probably repeating myself... but when seemingly decent folk say they're "socially liberal, fiscally conservative"... it just makes me think of all the social service programs gutted by the recession. oh well fuck the poor, the invalid, the disabled, the mentally ill, I WANT MY MONEY

― lute bro (brimstead), Saturday, 13 February 2016 05:11 (nine years ago)

It also has a ring of the whole self congratulatory "I work hard, I balance my household budget, I am amazing blah blah blah"

― lute bro (brimstead), Saturday, 13 February 2016 05:13 (nine years ago)

yeah it's part of the whole weird designation of what things are "social issues" as if economics, power and suffering are not part of the social, have no impact on society, etc.

"intersectionality" i'd defend on the grounds of it IS a meaningful thing and if nothing else, in the right context, can be a useful string around the finger to remind you as you write to try and be precise about where exactly the points of intersection are and how they work. recently appreciated this kind of precision in anne mcclintock's imperial leather for one. but obviously anything can be ruined by being casually or newbishly thrown around.

― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 February 2016 05:22 (nine years ago)

"it is what it is"
"we are where we are"

― Ad h (onimo), Saturday, 13 February 2016 16:08 (nine years ago)

You ain't what you're not
So see what you got....

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:56 (nine years ago)

yeah i mean the fact that "the debate about race and class in feminism [has] been going on for decades" yet often in activist etc circles has gotten virtually nowhere shows that it might be useful to have a formal term for the kinds of discussions we want to be having about class + race + gender and so on

― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:03 (nine years ago)

https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/463132110006784000 is a good summation of 'social liberal, fiscal conservative' imo

― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:06 (nine years ago)

^ ahh that is good

― lute bro (brimstead), Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:13 (nine years ago)

The word "folks" is strangely ubiquitous in certain strands of, for lack of a better term, "social justice" writing. Particularly about trans issues, it seems. For instance, a friend of mine linked this article on facebook the other day; the word "folks" appears in it twenty-five times. That grates on me for some reason.

― JRN, Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:32 (nine years ago)

we oppressed some folks

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:32 (nine years ago)

Susan Jacoby had a screed against "folks" in The Age of American Unreason:

http://www.correntewire.com/susan_jacoby_on_the_word_folks_and_the_debasement_of_language

― Josefa, Monday, 15 February 2016 22:02 (nine years ago)

I knew Obama was a sociopath when he stopped looking as if he were passing gas when saying it.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 22:20 (nine years ago)

I've never heard it used before but, in attempting to explain how Jimmy Saville could get away with raping 10 years olds, Tony Hall, the Director-General of the BBC, just used the word 'Siloed'.

― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:02 (nine years ago)

prob because it's crept into workthink language - you'll quite often hear it being used, usually but not always negatively, to describe discrete departments or even vertical interests incapable of communicating of each other, usually for structural or organisational reasons. As soon as a word like that creeps into that sort of language, you do anything with it, the classic example, not particularly egregious really, is using action as a verb.

― Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:05 (nine years ago)

i mean "using 'action' as a verb". didn't see the ambiguity.

― Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:06 (nine years ago)

in this area, i'm really really going to conduct at a personal war in the workplace on the phrase 'get clarity'.

― Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:07 (nine years ago)

This was not perhaps the best context for Lord Hall to indulge in 'workthink language'.

― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:22 (nine years ago)

well, yes. he'll be totally habituated to it tho. meetings, consultations, briefings, documents, emails. Lord Hall probably uses it of his sock drawer.

― Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:31 (nine years ago)

our org doesn't do siloing, we're all about stovepiping

― Ad h (onimo), Thursday, 25 February 2016 12:58 (nine years ago)

"what a time to be alive" as a meme

― nashwan, Thursday, 25 February 2016 13:44 (nine years ago)

yes. and likewise #justsaying

*what* are you just saying? using sly innuendo to make a point and denying that it's worthanyone disagreeing with it.

― Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 13:54 (nine years ago)

Yeah Ive never heard it used as "siloed" perse but "silo mentality" is an old one in corpspeak.

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Thursday, 25 February 2016 23:32 (nine years ago)

"dat __ doe", "clapback" and, especially, "dat clapback doe"

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 26 February 2016 02:25 (nine years ago)

Now you're just making things up.

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Friday, 26 February 2016 03:15 (nine years ago)

I have one facebook friend who uses all of these as well as "mic drop"

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 26 February 2016 03:28 (nine years ago)

p sure "dat ___ doe" is an American thing though.

*doe

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 26 February 2016 03:28 (nine years ago)

there is a shockingly large number of people -- even those who work in the media for a living -- who don't know the difference between an "op-ed" and an "editorial"

― k3vin k., Friday, 26 February 2016 17:58 (nine years ago)

I just realized that I don't know the difference. What's the deal, k3vin?

― how's life, Friday, 26 February 2016 18:01 (nine years ago)

editorial == official position of the editorial board of the organization
op-ed == opinion piece by a guest contributor and published by the organization

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 26 February 2016 18:04 (nine years ago)

an editorial is written *by or on behalf of the editors* and is meant to reflect the view of the editors of the publication. an op-ed is a commentary piece written by someone who may be affiliated with the publication but does not necessarily reflect the view of the editors of the publication

xp what aimless said

― k3vin k., Friday, 26 February 2016 18:05 (nine years ago)

thanks! seems obvious now that you explain it, but it had never occurred to me to even differentiate.

― how's life, Friday, 26 February 2016 18:06 (nine years ago)

the fuck is "le sigh"

fuck that bullshit

― marcos, Friday, 4 March 2016 21:08 (nine years ago)

also have we talked about white people going "YAAAAASSSSSSSS"

― marcos, Friday, 4 March 2016 21:08 (nine years ago)

it's amusing for me to read on the internet now because it's been a common and extremely Glasgow expression my entire life - but obviously it's obnoxious

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 March 2016 21:11 (nine years ago)

"le sigh" is a Warner Brothers cartoon thing yeah? I remember it from Tiny Toons but maybe it goes back to Pepe le Pew even.

― Bernie Sanders Give You So Much Bro (Doctor Casino), Friday, 4 March 2016 21:11 (nine years ago)

also have we talked about white people going "YAAAAASSSSSSSS"

― marcos, Friday, March 4, 2016 4:08 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think I posted about this, maybe even in this thread? At the time I didn't even know where it was appropriated from, now I do and it's still annoying, possibly moreso.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 4 March 2016 21:13 (nine years ago)

ha okay it sounded really familiar

― marcos, Friday, 4 March 2016 21:14 (nine years ago)

"wow"

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:51 (nine years ago)

Marcos fwiw I can't find my YAAAASSSSS post, and the spelling issue makes it pretty much unsearchable. But it wasn't in this thread or the current IA thread, it seems.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 14 March 2016 20:12 (nine years ago)

YAAASSSSS annoys the shit out of me, bcs YASS is a shitty country town in australia that should be burnt to the ground.

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 02:13 (nine years ago)

white people?

― conrad, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 09:28 (nine years ago)

The only person I've ever heard say Yaaaaaaasss was that cat.

― how's life, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 09:59 (nine years ago)

yeah i remember the thread where yasss was discussed - so okay now i know where it comes from that doesn't stop it mainly coming across as an incredibly stultified meme in the same vein as all the feels or whatever, tho it doesn't help that i do tend to imagine it in a sort of braying tory posh british accent.

not sure knowing the place it came from will stop me doing that, though perhaps i'm too cynical about the possibility that someone's shouted football celebration at a gif of taylor swift raising an eyebrow is an endorsement of trans culture.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 10:52 (nine years ago)

"play out"

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 11:43 (nine years ago)

That shit is played.

― how's life, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 12:03 (nine years ago)

"Concerning" for "causing concern"

― A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 12:05 (nine years ago)

Oh fuck yeah. "Well that's concerning..."

― how's life, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 12:07 (nine years ago)

'SLAY'

(I thought the Beyonce song would kill it off, but it seems like people are still using it unironically)

― small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:52 (nine years ago)

I'm normally pretty relaxed about this, but the ubiquity of 'invite' as a noun, plus the realisation that it's already gone past the point of no return, are making for a lot of wincing on my part

― ogmor, Saturday, 19 March 2016 14:26 (nine years ago)

really hate the modern use of "share" to describe posting a link/marketing a trailer/etc. i guess you can boil this down to the "share economy" but that doesn't bother me quite so much as the "COMPANY X shares the new trailer for PRODUCT Y!" i'm not your friend, we're not sharing anything, you're just trying to sell me something.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 March 2016 14:41 (nine years ago)

"guys i was watching the game yesterday and Toyota shared their new finance deal. what a great company, sharing like that."

fuck off

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 March 2016 14:42 (nine years ago)

Sometime in the decade since I moved away from Michigan people have started using the word "Sparty" as a metonym for Michigan State sports and it makes me want to punch everyone

― joygoat, Sunday, 20 March 2016 16:11 (nine years ago)

Tell it to Spartyfy someone

― dow, Sunday, 20 March 2016 16:23 (nine years ago)

whenever you can spare a share

― dow, Sunday, 20 March 2016 16:24 (nine years ago)

i can't even

― akm, Sunday, 20 March 2016 16:26 (nine years ago)

awesomesauce, amazeballs,

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 20 March 2016 17:26 (nine years ago)

also a friend of mine keeps calling Trump a "hoofwanking bunglecunt" and was basically taking credit for the coinage of the phrase and then someone revealed he stole it from a British dude's Tweet.

which should have been obvious since dude is from Missouri

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 20 March 2016 17:33 (nine years ago)

People who let jargon from their shitty marketing jobs seep into normal conversations, like calling Kendrick Lamar a "thought influencer"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 March 2016 18:05 (nine years ago)

"my mouth is gushing with saliva"

― Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Sunday, 20 March 2016 18:54 (nine years ago)

"no worries" barf I hear this everywhere now. thank you, crocodile dundee

― stanley krubrick (rip van wanko), Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:28 (nine years ago)

Why would anyone not australian say that?

(I say it all the time, lol)

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Monday, 21 March 2016 04:24 (nine years ago)

Hippies, Trayce. Hippies.

― how's life, Monday, 21 March 2016 09:35 (nine years ago)

I really don't like it when people share funny memes and videos on facebook with the caption 'I can't breathe!'

― draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Monday, 21 March 2016 09:45 (nine years ago)

'no worries' though? that sounds very much like UK vernacular.

― draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Monday, 21 March 2016 09:46 (nine years ago)

I really don't like it when people share funny memes and videos on facebook with the caption 'I can't breathe!'

that video wasn't meant to be funny

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:48 (nine years ago)

"nom nom nom" to accompany dull pictures of food

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:55 (nine years ago)

"fucks to give" "how many fucks I give" "out of fucks" etc.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:35 (nine years ago)

Another slangy/bloggy thing that has seeped into bad political blogging, often in connection with Obama, as though he's some kind of badass Rambo of a president machine-gunning down the aisles of congress, instead of a disappointed compromiser eking out modest gains in his last year.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:38 (nine years ago)

afaict it started within black twitter a few years ago and white people have, as we like to do, run it into the ground

― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:41 (nine years ago)

Like many of these things, it was a funny turn of phrase when it first came about.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:43 (nine years ago)

just like rock and roll man, xp

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:44 (nine years ago)

ffs

― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 March 2016 22:04 (nine years ago)

it was never funny even when it started tho tbh

― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 March 2016 22:34 (nine years ago)

ha ha this is third time "no fucks to give" or a variant has shown up on this thread

I chalk these things up to political bloggers/twitters having a sense of humor based on overhearing what the cool kids are laughing at and then repeating it for years after it has grown stale.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 25 March 2016 13:54 (nine years ago)

Prez of the US as "leader of the free world"

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 March 2016 15:02 (nine years ago)

Yep. News hacks haven't read the memo about the Cold War.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 March 2016 15:03 (nine years ago)

i just heard Molly Ringwald say it on Studio 360

Brat Hack

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 March 2016 15:08 (nine years ago)

Why would anyone not australian say that?

(I say it all the time, lol)

I had an Australian boss for a couple of years and eventually it seeped into my vocabulary. It's gone now.

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 27 March 2016 15:36 (nine years ago)

i say no worries a lot, didn't realise it could offend anybody's delicate linguistic sensibilities, no fucks given tbh

― disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:30 (nine years ago)

how has it impacted you

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:38 (nine years ago)

can we talk about people who write for a living who don't know the difference between "loath" and "loathe"

― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:42 (nine years ago)

there are two choices, and somehow everyone always chooses the wrong one

― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:42 (nine years ago)

loath as you are to admit it

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:52 (nine years ago)

Lately, "veggies" has been bugging the shit out of me... too flip, too Australian sounding.

― andy, Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:18 PM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Australians still annoying people, 12 years on.

― A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:53 (nine years ago)

i'm still baffled by "too flip", like was he mad that vegetables weren't getting their due respect?

― disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:58 (nine years ago)

This always bugs me and I saw it again in Paul Krugman's column in the NYT yesterday: "win-win for everyone." Isn't that redundant? Shouldn't it just be "win-win" or "win for everyone?"

I suppose it could be appropriate in very rare cases where each party involved in a given situation wins two things.

― early rejecter, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 14:15 (nine years ago)

if there are 6 people in the group it should be win-win-win-win-win-win-win

― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 14:17 (nine years ago)

all i do is win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win

― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 14:17 (nine years ago)

win-win suggests a situation with two possible outcomes, both of which would be beneficial for one party but not necessarily all, so I think its useful information

― ogmor, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 14:21 (nine years ago)

It's pretty minor among this guy's crimes of annoyance, but I have a coworker who constantly employs 'yadda yadda' and who probably needs to be exsanguinated for it.

― You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 14:25 (nine years ago)

Is that right? I've always thought that it did in fact imply beneficial outcomes for all parties. It would be a burden lifted if I didn't have to be annoyed by it anymore.

― early rejecter, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 14:33 (nine years ago)

Quick win win after a tictac huddle

― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:50 (nine years ago)

ogmor otm. i think.

― pplains, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 17:01 (nine years ago)

It's kind of the opposite of "damned if you do, damned if you don't."

― pplains, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 17:02 (nine years ago)

OK I looked it up, and . . . "of or denoting a situation in which each party benefits in some way" is the primary definition. I did find a couple of secondary definitions along the lines of "a benefit for one person or group no matter what the result is," but the first is the common usage. I'll have to go on being annoyed by "for everyone." It's a classic lose-lose. For all of us.

(But re-reading Krugman's article, he could've conceivably been using the phrase's secondary meaning, so I'm no longer annoyed by that usage.)

― early rejecter, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 17:31 (nine years ago)

lol, it's the outcome we all deserve

― ogmor, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 22:46 (nine years ago)

"amazeballs"
"a play/movie about the human condition" (srsly i'm tired of "the human condition" being trotted out for any movie about a 17 year old whose nose is running)
"the truth lies somewhere in the middle" (NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T)

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 23:08 (nine years ago)

Yes, it does. It's a relative concept.

You should get less mad.

― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 23:35 (nine years ago)

i don't know if you're being facetious or

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 23:43 (nine years ago)

"argumentum ad temperantiam" et al

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 23:44 (nine years ago)

"the truth lies somewhere in the middle"

Can't help but wonder, the middle of what?

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 01:41 (nine years ago)

being and non-being

― ryan, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 02:04 (nine years ago)

I replaced the battery in the Honda tonight.

Felt like Instagramming the little red velvet ring snug under the positive terminal with the caption "This is how you adult," underneath it.

But instead, I hooked the jumper cables to my ears and eventually, the urge to do something that dumb just faded away.

― pplains, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 02:48 (nine years ago)

LOL I was just about to add "because adult". A friend in her 30s writes things like "because adult" and #friyay" and #legday and #hashtagseverything and I do love her but gah.

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 03:39 (nine years ago)

#adulting

― Jeff, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 10:14 (nine years ago)

'(x) was EVERYTHING'

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 10:40 (nine years ago)

wtf is legday

― kinder, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 11:17 (nine years ago)

The day you do leg workouts, but hash tagged for some unknown reason?

― how's life, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 11:20 (nine years ago)

International Legday?

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 11:25 (nine years ago)

as in, this has been a leg(endary)day?

― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 11:39 (nine years ago)

Every time I hear or see FeeltheBern (especially #FeeltheBern), I mentally say Ew.

― mutually aquatinted (doo dah), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 12:58 (nine years ago)

#adult seems emblematic of people who need a pat on the head for doing mundane things. It's very "I'm a big boy I used the potty!"

Feel the bern bothered me when it began but it seems effective and I like sanders so I let it go.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 13:52 (nine years ago)

I feel the bern in everyone,
and then I feel nothing.

― pplains, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 13:53 (nine years ago)

#imwithher is almost as bad.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 13:58 (nine years ago)

Everybody's Been Berned.

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 14:02 (nine years ago)

#adult seems emblematic of people who need a pat on the head for doing mundane things. It's very "I'm a big boy I used the potty!"

Correct! It's like the old Chris Rock bit about people getting credit for something they should be doing anyway. "I paid my rent this month! #adulting" "I got out of bed this morning! #adulting"

― Jeff, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 14:48 (nine years ago)

I like the "because noun" construction because reasons.

― serious human (onimo), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 15:38 (nine years ago)

'(x) was EVERYTHING'
i use this a lot :/

― yellow despackling power (Will M.), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 15:42 (nine years ago)

usually present tense tho tbf

― yellow despackling power (Will M.), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 15:42 (nine years ago)

_#adult seems emblematic of people who need a pat on the head for doing mundane things. It's very "I'm a big boy I used the potty!"_
Correct! It's like the old Chris Rock bit about people getting credit for something they should be doing anyway. "I paid my rent this month! #adulting" "I got out of bed this morning! #adulting"

Isn't this precisely the point? Like every time I see this it's ironic/self-deprecatory, playing on the absurdity of being proud of something others find easy but you maybe struggle with

― Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:03 (nine years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/w9hqIAy.png

― pplains, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:06 (nine years ago)

Also, be careful digging through #adult tags while you're at work.

― pplains, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:06 (nine years ago)

Isn't this precisely the point? Like every time I see this it's ironic/self-deprecatory, playing on the absurdity of being proud of something others find easy but you maybe struggle with

― Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Wednesday, March 30, 2016 12:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sure but the irony just kind of reemphasizes the reality.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:07 (nine years ago)

2053: "Just finished executing mom's will. #adult"

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:08 (nine years ago)

ADDICTING
WHEN IT SHOULD BE
ADDICTIVE

― ian, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:08 (nine years ago)

You don't like some of that Addicting Info?

― how's life, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:09 (nine years ago)

there's some subway ad i noticed today that says something like, "PLAY THE MOST ADDICTING MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME EVER!!!"

― ian, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:10 (nine years ago)

me itt: "wtf you know what they meant why is this an issue"

xp i have no idea why subway would be talking about anything other than sandwiches in their ads tho

― yellow despackling power (Will M.), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:12 (nine years ago)

TBF, I think everyone deserves a little credit for #adulting why because life is a tuff slog, but (to the extent that it's broadcasted unironically) this is credit one should probably give oneself in private instead of seeking public validation. But regardless of its context or usefulness as a concept, the usage of "adult" as a verb needs to be defenestrated and burned.

― I am very inteligent and dicipline boy (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:13 (nine years ago)

Alongside 'addicting', I harbor more than a little ire for the impish employment of addiction in advertising. Particularly with potato chips, for some reason? "Betcha can't eat just one!" "Once you pop, you can't stop!" And the resigned tone of "Can't stop eating 'em."

― I am very inteligent and dicipline boy (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:19 (nine years ago)

^^ Along those lines, can't wait to wait to watch a 16-hour documentary on bulimia in one day.

― pplains, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:34 (nine years ago)

The day you do leg workouts, but hash tagged for some unknown reason?

Yep, this, and yep I know right? she hashtags individual words. on FB. WHY.

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:52 (nine years ago)

FB is technically configured to use hashtags like Twitter is now. if you click on one it will show you others that posted it just like Twitter does (albeit not as smoothly).

I blame Tweetcasters, which people used to broadcast their Tweets to FB and rendered their hashtags useless.

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:58 (nine years ago)

Yeah if the post is clearly sent from twitter Im less inclined to snort at it, but otherwise...

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Thursday, 31 March 2016 00:42 (nine years ago)

"eat a bag of dicks"
"best _______ ever"
"karma will get 'em" in response to anybody complaining about someone's misdeeds

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 31 March 2016 01:02 (nine years ago)

right wing neologisms don't even really need posting here, but I was just thinking about how "islamification" kind of reminds me of "saxomophone"

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, 1 April 2016 02:01 (nine years ago)

Seems like everything that people are vaguely familiar with these days is ICONIC

― kevin smith what a bro (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 1 April 2016 02:10 (nine years ago)

"man that All American Rejects tune is iconic"

'do you know what iconic means?'

"really....really good?"

― Neanderthal, Friday, 1 April 2016 02:19 (nine years ago)

I remember complaining somewhere about the use of the word "legendary" for anyone who has been around a while.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, 1 April 2016 02:37 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7afrkjN3Ag

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 April 2016 02:39 (nine years ago)

fam
squad
goals
"squad goals" About 364,000 results (0.34 seconds)
fire
lit
extra
squicked out
about to drop the hottest mixtape of 2016
I love how [something I obviously don't love]
damn, [Ned], back at it again with the [purple tie]

― small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 14:13 (nine years ago)

ned has a purple tie?

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 14:15 (nine years ago)

I've always been fine with fam, but it's definitely entering an era of overuse.

― how's life, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 14:20 (nine years ago)

How do you feel about 'famdamily'.

― I am very inteligent and dicipline boy (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 14:21 (nine years ago)

completely unacceptable bullshit.

― how's life, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 14:28 (nine years ago)

"Damn ___" is one of the worst, purely manufactured, not actually all that catchy memes I've seen.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 14:31 (nine years ago)

In the following quotes from Haringey Council's so-called Wood Green Area Action Plan, I especially hate the use of the word 'offer', but I also dislike "quarter", "curating", "re-skinning", and many others; in fact there are too many to mention:

"This option concentrates efforts on restoring the High Road as the key economic generator, linked to a smaller live work area in the current Cultural quarter, but with an offer that would complement High Road retail with a range of cultural, entertainment and community focused offers ... The Mall would be retained, but targeted façade, lighting and programming changes brought into effect to upgrade the 1970's character of the offer. This would include curating outdoor markets, popup street food events and other happenings alongside the re-skinning of the building, and the better management of the service yards, which impact negatively on near-by residential areas. A greater mix of uses is anticipated on the rejuvenated High Road.

Option 2 recognises the enormous potential of the enhanced connectivity to provide a new cluster of residential quarters drawing on the North London offer typified by quality town centres and shopping, high quality public spaces, leafy streets and innovative food & beverage offers."

― dubmill, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:01 (nine years ago)

similar to "YASSSSSS" i am seeing "YAASSSSSSS QUEEN" and it is super annoying

― marcos, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:02 (nine years ago)

Marcos have you seen the yaaaassss gaga vids?

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:04 (nine years ago)

haha no should i

― marcos, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:06 (nine years ago)

"eat a bag of dicks"

Still acceptable on Archer.

― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:09 (nine years ago)

haha no should i

― marcos, Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:06 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Y.........
es

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:28 (nine years ago)

lol my job is fixing stuff like this. i try to be understanding and i don't hold personal grudges against whoever wrote it, but like as the language of institution it gets to me on a level that's actually too deep for the word "annoy". it just is so ugly, i guess like the council's new buildings will be.

outdoor markets, popup street food events - these things must be good, right - everyone wants outdoor markets and streetfood events even if they're run by your local council and have a dirty banner flapping in the rain and a few carnival chip vans with "ABC Catering" written on the side.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 15:49 (nine years ago)

I do hold grudges. I just can't believe how badly written it is and that someone gets paid good money for writing it. It's mind-boggling. There are 41 pages of it as well.

I don't get where this 'offer' usage came from. It seems very widespread in local government but is obviously connected to some kind of marketing jargon. 'Quarter' has been around for a while, of course, and is much used by estate agents, as well. I really don't like 'curating' just to mean selecting things or putting on events; it just seems pretentious when referring to organising these kinds of street events like farmer's markets and so forth.

― dubmill, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 16:03 (nine years ago)

'offer' is used by pub companies etc too

― kinder, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 17:20 (nine years ago)

The people who write stuff like that must be deeply insecure about the value of what they do compared to the compensation they receive for dong it.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 17:27 (nine years ago)

It's as if they know they are suspended above the hard ground of reality and must constantly flap their arms as hard as they can to stay aloft.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 17:29 (nine years ago)

Oh totally, it's jargon used to create the illusion of technical knowledge or skill. Jargon which by its existence props up jobs and job titles, waste and wasteful projects, weak legislation and delays.

As well as the obvious need to alienate the public and prevent them from understanding what their taxes are or aren't paying for.

I haven't worked in a council but based on experience in government I can imagine that for someone writing local council blurbs, the concept of serving the public (let alone writing for them) is so alien as to be disturbing and threatening. They work for each other.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 18:01 (nine years ago)

Pulled from the annoying co-workers thread:

A co-worker regularly says "verbage" instead of "verbiage," and now multiple other co-workers are doing it, too. I feel like I finally understand that William Burroughs line about language being a virus.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:55 PM

Unfortunately, "verbage" has been acceptable usage in the printing biz going back almost 20 years, ime.
― Honor thy pisstake as a hidden intention. (WilliamC), Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:59 PM

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 18:03 (nine years ago)

"Foilage"

― I am very inteligent and dicipline boy (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 18:11 (nine years ago)

"umbriage"

― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 19:06 (nine years ago)

smoke a little herbage, engage in a little verbage

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 19:09 (nine years ago)

The term is "doobage," I believe.

― pplains, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 19:36 (nine years ago)

"doobiage"

― I am very inteligent and dicipline boy (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 19:39 (nine years ago)

"Frontbutt"

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 April 2016 01:52 (nine years ago)

"Yaaaaas Kween!" as a young white people thing is Broad City's fault, isn't it.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:14 (nine years ago)

Oh totally, it's jargon used to create the illusion of technical knowledge or skill. Jargon which by its existence props up jobs and job titles, waste and wasteful projects, weak legislation and delays.

there's an interesting chapter in Steven Pinker''s 'A Sense Of Style' (which is excellent btw) where he discusses this phenomenon, where language appears to be deliberately designed to put readers off. Very often, he argues, it's not completely deliberate but down to a so-called 'curse of knowledge'.

― draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Friday, 8 April 2016 09:11 (nine years ago)

I've never read his stuff but I know he is a revered figure among people who do my job.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Friday, 8 April 2016 10:49 (nine years ago)

"Yaaaaas Kween!" as a young white people thing is Broad City's fault, isn't it.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, April 8, 2016 3:14 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark

100%

it's more or less ruined the show too

― Number None, Friday, 8 April 2016 18:50 (nine years ago)

That and Hillary Clinton have made me not want to watch it again.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:59 (nine years ago)

not familiar with "Yaaaaas" but it was probably stolen from this guy

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2010/118/4779_127259428817.jpg

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2016 19:26 (nine years ago)

That and Hillary Clinton have made me not want to watch it again.

lol ok the hillary cameo made you not want to watch it again.

― Mordy, Friday, 8 April 2016 22:27 (nine years ago)

not familiar with "Yaaaaas" but it was probably stolen from this guy

not the same thing at all

― Number None, Sunday, 10 April 2016 20:08 (nine years ago)

less "annoy" and more "outright infuriate" is the condescending, dismissive 'take yr meds' zing some people use on someone who is mildly upset.

grosser when the person actually has a legitimate grievance. grossest when the person on the receiving end actually takes SSRIs or any kind of meds for their condition - "lol mental illness, amirite", essentially.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 11 April 2016 02:03 (nine years ago)

How do we feel about "momager"? Kris Jenner tried to copyright the word.

― Josefa, Monday, 11 April 2016 03:56 (nine years ago)

Snapchat
Instagram

― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 11 April 2016 04:03 (nine years ago)

#adulting
― Jeff, Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:14 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12932764_10153376523541246_490151049916844113_n.jpg?oh=85bae54e8b5fbdde2dbf37838da03215&oe=5778B66C

― how's life, Monday, 11 April 2016 19:16 (nine years ago)

news flash: even adults hit snooze sometimes

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 11 April 2016 19:19 (nine years ago)

Funny thing is that I haven't worn a bra since I was in grade school.

― pplains, Monday, 11 April 2016 19:28 (nine years ago)

people not from the south who say "y'all" drive me kinda nuts

― k3vin k., Monday, 11 April 2016 19:34 (nine years ago)

My stepdad from Chicago would pick up the phone and say "Howdy!" and I was always "please do not do that..."

― pplains, Monday, 11 April 2016 19:38 (nine years ago)

None of those stickers are things I would particularly associate with being an adult.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, 11 April 2016 19:41 (nine years ago)

Beyond taking full responsibility as the master of your own actions and their consequences, I'm not sure there are any per se "adult" acts.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, 11 April 2016 19:43 (nine years ago)

c on t

― ogmor, Monday, 11 April 2016 19:46 (nine years ago)

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 11 April 2016 19:47 (nine years ago)

heyo

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, 11 April 2016 19:49 (nine years ago)

lol

― bernard snowy, Monday, 11 April 2016 19:53 (nine years ago)

people not from the south who say "y'all" drive me kinda nuts

― k3vin k., Monday, April 11, 2016 2:34 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not from the south but I spent a number of my formative childhood years living in the south. So although the accent may be gone, some of the vernacular has stuck. Hope that's all right with y'all.

― a very hansom, and smart boy (Old Lunch), Monday, 11 April 2016 21:43 (nine years ago)

People who say "take yr meds" as a dismissive condescending way of mocking someone who is angry or upset. Moreso when said person actually takes antidepressants

Not "annoy" as much as "makes me see red"

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 00:22 (nine years ago)

As a southerner I say y'all all the time with no affectation. everyone does here. but when I'm around non-southerners I do get self-conscious about it and sometimes blank, unable to think of a substitute. sometimes "you guys" just sounds even worse

― Forever LXI (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 00:28 (nine years ago)

less "annoy" and more "outright infuriate" is the condescending, dismissive 'take yr meds' zing some people use on someone who is mildly upset.

― Neanderthal, Sunday, April 10, 2016 9:03 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

People who say "take yr meds" as a dismissive condescending way of mocking someone who is angry or upset. Moreso when said person actually takes antidepressants

Not "annoy" as much as "makes me see red"

― Neanderthal, Monday, April 11, 2016 7:22 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dude. take your meds.

― pplains, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 01:41 (nine years ago)

^ I said from three states away.

― pplains, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 01:46 (nine years ago)

I...thought the first post yesterday didn't go through! Christ I'm losing it

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 01:50 (nine years ago)

I have a southern friend (who professionally is a composition and rhetoric professor so is an aficionado of language and writing) and evangelizes for "y'all" as the ideal short, informal, non-gendered term for any group of people.

― joygoat, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 05:22 (nine years ago)

Evangelism for "y'all" is hardly necessary, since it already has tens of millions of devoted users and is readily understood by tens of millions more who do not choose to use it. I'd say it is pretty well established.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 05:35 (nine years ago)

like Jesus

― Don't opine. Dead inside. (onimo), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 06:26 (nine years ago)

what is "y'all", is that short for "yogurt all"

― qualx, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 07:25 (nine years ago)

From the south, hate yall. We didn't say y'all where I'm from either, too lazy for that. Just yall.

― Jeff, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 09:17 (nine years ago)

'Y'all' has real utility. It's a quick and easy way of addressing 'all of you' in a world where no equally succinct construction exists.

― a very hansom, and smart boy (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:17 (nine years ago)

Is there an abbreviation for "all of y'all"?

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:18 (nine years ago)

yeah, "all y'all"

― Honor thy pisstake as a hidden intention. (WilliamC), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:33 (nine years ago)

Da Brat approves

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:42 (nine years ago)

'ya'll' and 'youse' are great things and every english dialect ought to have an equivalent, but sadly most don't.

― draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:59 (nine years ago)

y'all are fixing to get on my nerves.

― pplains, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:11 (nine years ago)

Misheard lyric that I was recently corrected on:

Y'all all was kissing under bridges, kissing in cars, kissing in cafes

― how's life, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:20 (nine years ago)

xxp don't forget "yinz" for the Pittsburghers/western Pennsylvanians.

― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:22 (nine years ago)

It's stupid that English as a whole no longer has a distinctly plural second-person pronoun. I guess 'yall' is the prime candidate if it evolves into having one any time soon.

― jmm, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:33 (nine years ago)

"unapologetically" is starting to bother me. like i just saw someone on twitter describe a stage play, in a theatre which does modern takes on plays, essentially aimed at young liberal people, as "unapologetically grungey", like as if the regular attendees would be outraged to hear 90s rock music in a show, as opposed to attending a theatre show solely because all the advertising said "this has music you already know and like in it".

another one. possibly british only. people using "well" with a comma before and after it in the middle of a sentence. usually feature writers. like "it's unpleasant and, well, rude". feels like one of these things that middle of the road writers just borrow from each other to sound smart and fill spaces.

xpost i'm glad my parents are from the south of ireland so i can get away with occasional "ye"

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:33 (nine years ago)

I'd like to see an "apologetically grungey" play. "We're very sorry, but we could only afford to use Silverchair songs."

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:37 (nine years ago)

WARNING: This play contains scenes of a severely retrograde music scene.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:40 (nine years ago)

Youse does the job well enough. Like the sound of 'yinz' though.

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:41 (nine years ago)

Why would you use the word "unapologetically" on twitter anyway? You wouldn't have a lot to work with after that.

― how's life, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:42 (nine years ago)

Thinking about it, it's more of a Yeez/Yiz than a Youse. (xp)

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:43 (nine years ago)

Has 'yinz' got some connection with the Scots, 'yin'?

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:45 (nine years ago)

Yes.

― how's life, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:48 (nine years ago)

I've heard "yizzer" or "yizzers" in Dublin before, to mean "your". Like "yiz" as you plural then "yizzer" as your, in the same sentence.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:48 (nine years ago)

Indeed, wikied it, though, as usual, the Irish are getting the credit for it. (xp)

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:49 (nine years ago)

the misuse of decadent doesn't annoy me as much as amuse me.

like there was a musical in our town that was put on by high school students and a mother put together the program and she referred to it as a "decadent romp through musical theatre history" and it was just inoffensive showtunes. I was expecting onstage fornication set to the music of Gypsy.

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:50 (nine years ago)

but then again that's an Ethel Merman video that's been vaulted for good reason

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:51 (nine years ago)

possibly british only. people using "well" with a comma before and after it in the middle of a sentence.

Not British only -- I see/hear that regularly in the NY Times and on NPR and it drives me nuts too.

― early rejecter, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:58 (nine years ago)

What else could I be?
Unapologetically.

― pplains, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:01 (nine years ago)

lol

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:05 (nine years ago)

I have always been a fan of "yous" as heard in NW England (pronounced like the verb "use")

― ogmor, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:24 (nine years ago)

hear that in ireland too

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:51 (nine years ago)

'ya'll' and 'youse' are great things and every english dialect ought to have an equivalent, but sadly most don't.

― draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:59 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes!!!!

altho that said i hate the version of it i hear sometimes in ottawa (it may be an ottawa valley thing, or a broader ontario/canada thing) which is like... yuzz? like rhymes with buzz? it's like its so lazy it can't even go to the effort of being pronounced fully. "what are yuzz doin'?"

― yellow despackling power (Will M.), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 16:41 (nine years ago)

I'd heard anecdotes about "yuinz" but when I first heard it for real (rural north carolina) i was just staggered

― Forever LXI (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 16:45 (nine years ago)

While "yuinz" may be a better phonetic representation, "you'uns" would make the derivation clearer.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 16:48 (nine years ago)

I have always been a fan of "yous" as heard in NW England (pronounced like the verb "use")

― ogmor, Tuesday, April 12, 2016 3:24 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hear that in ireland too

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, April 12, 2016 3:51 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

pronounced like the noun in Donegal

― Number None, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 20:36 (nine years ago)

Ye out west and down south, youse in donegal, yis in the east, to the northeast I go not

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 21:31 (nine years ago)

When did people start ordering at restaurants with "I'll do the...", as in "I'll do the chicken"? I recently started to hear ppl saying this, it annoys the shit out of me.

― davey, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 02:06 (nine years ago)

It's a short stumble and fall from "let's do lunch" to "I'll do the chicken".

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 02:58 (nine years ago)

All in all its possibly a bigger sin in this world to not take available and clearly expressed information where you can and instead to focus on the detail of how it was formatted as if that were a major problem in the bigger scheme of things I mean if we all insisted that things not exactly as we would have them were by dint of that objective discrepancy actually incorrect and requiring of realignment disregarding the miracle of language as a communicative device between two or more soulships in an incredible universe of sensation and experience why it's a poorly window from which to view your fellow man is all I'll say.

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:06 (nine years ago)

Like how ppl decide to order from a fuckin menu youd be some cunt of a waiter not to get the message and if your part is neither waiter or waitee then what the fucks it to you mind yr business and do some multiplication in yr head instead you know you need the practice I mean I do def and I'm p good at multiplying but either way it's a better way of passing thru life than critiquing overheard lunch orders I'm talking about life here for chrissakes

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:10 (nine years ago)

I am more annoyed by people who use constructions where a lack of precision leaves out important information or even actively misleads from or misstates their intended meaning, who, when I request clarification or more detail, act offended and insist that their original communication was more than sufficient and I am just harrying them for no good reason and making a big deal about "semantics".

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:13 (nine years ago)

But let's be clear here that we are not in such an instance referring to a guy in a restaurant or similar holding a bill of fare in his hand that presumably includes in it some styling of chicken stating to another guy whose role in a well-understood transaction involving the listing of one or more items from said bill of fare that he will "do" that chicken

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:17 (nine years ago)

I'm not picking on y'all (deal with that too) I'll be bumping the irrationly angry thread in a minute to let em know that the shit listed is either rational cause for anger or is cause for concern

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:19 (nine years ago)

In that scenario, the number of plausible translations of the phrase "I'll do the chicken" is limited to a very narrow range, all of which require bringing said chicken into the presence of the customer. The waiter would be well advised to interpret this statement as requesting such a transaction.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:20 (nine years ago)

Darragh do the senses of language really not matter to you? Is language just a crude vessel of information?

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:22 (nine years ago)

We can take it as understood unless further context -which I would tbh have expected to have been provided as relevant- were to reveal that the establishment were engaged in such transactions besides as to make a statement such as "I'll do the chicken" an ambiguous one.

I offer a 50's style dance settings as one alternative, you may consider other possibly less innocent variations but the fault in any such eventuality lies imo with the original complainant not having laid out such vital detail.

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:25 (nine years ago)

xp we may assume that language is a constant delight to me, and it is in very much this spirit that an unwillingness to engage fully in it (or to critique or correct it in others unnecessarily) may bytimes irk

Mainly the thread seemed ripe for nonsense

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:27 (nine years ago)

Valid (imo, imo) digs itt include the type of ringfencing that aimless noted, the misuse of a phrase where clear ignorance of meaning is apparent, and the modern american academic phrase "speak/s to" which is an incarcerable abomination

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 03:30 (nine years ago)

All in all its possibly a bigger sin in this world to not take available and clearly expressed information where you can and instead to focus on the detail of how it was formatted as if that were a major problem in the bigger scheme of things I mean if we all insisted that things not exactly as we would have them were by dint of that objective discrepancy actually incorrect and requiring of realignment disregarding the miracle of language as a communicative device between two or more soulships in an incredible universe of sensation and experience why it's a poorly window from which to view your fellow man is all I'll say.
― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:06 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i could hear was

https://vimeo.com/36788443

― yellow despackling power (Will M.), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 04:01 (nine years ago)

former waiter here, can verify from experience that "i'll do the chicken" usually, 9 times out of 10 means "i'll have the chicken," but occasionally it can also mean "i'll fuck the chicken." just have to play it by ear. took me a few years to really get it down.

― qualx, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 05:28 (nine years ago)

Also waited tables for a bit and more than once the phrase was followed by a series of odd dance moves

― Forever LXI (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 05:57 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDJsgtoizj8

― how's life, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 08:37 (nine years ago)

lololololol

― davey, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 10:18 (nine years ago)

I mentioned to my roommate's friends who were watching broad city with me that i found "do the chicken" kind of a funny idiom (broad city was where i first heard it), and they had a similar kinda bitchy condescending reaction to me just for having pointed it out. Probably that's why the phrase annoys me now instead of just sounding funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

― davey, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 10:31 (nine years ago)

50's

I was with you till you did this. The proper way to abbreviate decades is as follows: '50s. Learn it, live it.

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:25 (nine years ago)

It's a fair cop

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:34 (nine years ago)

My executive director says "bubble up" a lot, and it is starting to annoy, especially because it means "I'm not actually going to do anything about that, but I'll bubble it up to some even higher levels of management, who aren't going to do anything about it, either."

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:43 (nine years ago)

people can't bubble things up imo, they bubble up by themselves or not at all

― ogmor, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:49 (nine years ago)

A worse offense: adding "up" to certain verbs ("Let's connect up," "meet up at the mall")

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:53 (nine years ago)

http://www.meetup.com

― Just can't get Eno, ugh (ledge), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:53 (nine years ago)

Meet up is perfect and necessary

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:34 (nine years ago)

they had a similar kinda bitchy condescending reaction to me just for having pointed it out. Probably that's why the phrase annoys me now instead of just sounding funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

― davey,

Thoughts offered more as reaction to thread in general, without rancour and at about 4am, if it eases

― never had it so ogod (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:36 (nine years ago)

in your annoyed reaction you seem to have confused annoyed reaction with confusion

― conrad, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:49 (nine years ago)

I just sit down at a table when a singer tells me to "Do the funky chicken"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:01 (nine years ago)

though "doing" a food is far less grating than "enjoying" it. "I'll enjoy the lamb."

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:02 (nine years ago)

no worries darrahmac :) president keyes lol actual people say that

― davey, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 19:15 (nine years ago)

There is a cashier at my usual grocery store who, whenever you buy beer, asks "are you old enough to enjoy this beverage?" Then he chuckles and says, "I didn't ask if you're old enough to _buy_ it, just if you're old enough to _enjoy_ it. Heh heh."

The first time, I gave an accommodating half-laugh. The second time, I smiled patiently. Nowadays, I try to go to another line if I'm buying alcohol. I've spent my share of time behind cash registers myself, and I sympathize with him for trying to make the transactions a little less monotonous, but there are limits.

― up is where sentence-ending prepositions make me throw (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 20:30 (nine years ago)

haf to agree w d that it dont matter none how youse says it

as aimless wrote its more bothersome when u leave out important info instead

very few words usages or phrases annoy tho

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 21:15 (nine years ago)

one of my exes was notoriously bad with convoluted messages. she sent me one text once that looked like she was upset with me and really she was just asking me to come over

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 21:18 (nine years ago)

Agree with dmac for the most part, but I think he misses out the importance of sociolinguistic stratification. The annoyance of "do the chicken" doesn't necessarily arise from the construction itself, but connotation, e.g. the ingroup perceived to use it is solely made up of "wacky bankers" or some such. You could argue that if the construction itself isn't the problem, then it's not meant for the thread, but the thread does include usages of language in the title, and I would say ingroup lexical production counts as usage.

― emil.y, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:02 (nine years ago)

(Sorry if that sounds wanky.)

― emil.y, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:03 (nine years ago)

"I didn't ask if you're old enough to _buy_ it, just if you're old enough to _enjoy_ it. Heh heh."

And you say, "You damn betcha I'm old enough. I've been enjoying it since I was 13."

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:55 (nine years ago)

caught myself saying i did the fish today lol

― davey, Thursday, 14 April 2016 02:41 (nine years ago)

emil.y otm in re: things depend on who says them

― davey, Thursday, 14 April 2016 02:46 (nine years ago)

ie. when i say them it's ok ;)

― davey, Thursday, 14 April 2016 02:47 (nine years ago)

when i am president i am going to ban people from saying "adult beverages"

― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Thursday, 14 April 2016 10:27 (nine years ago)

Hear hear. That term should only apply to spirits aged over 18 years.

― up is where sentence-ending prepositions make me throw (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 April 2016 13:07 (nine years ago)

For example, this

http://i.imgur.com/dkZtR7b.jpg

is not an adult beverage.

― pplains, Friday, 15 April 2016 01:30 (nine years ago)

Oh barf what is that.

― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Friday, 15 April 2016 02:55 (nine years ago)

hairspray?

― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 15 April 2016 02:56 (nine years ago)

Lol that's worse than Redd's

― Neanderthal, Friday, 15 April 2016 04:01 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

"I'm not crying...YOU'RE crying"

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 22 May 2016 14:05 (nine years ago)

I've got a rolling awful words and phrases list.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 May 2016 14:08 (nine years ago)

I'd have thought The Simpsons would have killed "proactive," but I still hear it, albeit usually from a very specific business-oriented, Type A sort.

"Literally" annoys me too, mostly because it is so often used figuratively.

― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Sunday, 22 May 2016 14:29 (nine years ago)

I hate 'literally' because now everybody has gotten so used to calling out people for using it incorrectly that they've also started calling them out for using it wrong when it's actually used correctly.

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 22 May 2016 14:30 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx8B-3ZGVg0

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 May 2016 14:31 (nine years ago)

the non-literal sense of literally has made it into most dictionaries now

― Number None, Sunday, 22 May 2016 14:53 (nine years ago)

Literally is the worst because people get to be anti-pedants about it now too
Thanks dictionaries!

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Sunday, 22 May 2016 15:24 (nine years ago)

"around" to mean "about," i.e. "conversations around..."

the timidity is similar to this - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?_r=0 - with the addition of a layer of imprecision on top

― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:06 (nine years ago)

i am totally guilty of "do"ing the chicken

take that how you will

― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:08 (nine years ago)

...as you said to the chicken

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:39 (nine years ago)

(xxp) even worse is "I want to say". But I think I've mentioned that before on this thread.

― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:42 (nine years ago)

I dunno. I think IWTS describes a thought-process in progress.

― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Sunday, 22 May 2016 18:01 (nine years ago)

"shop" used by certain brands/websites:

"shop our collection" - I'll allow it - just
"shop our Daily Magic Moisturiser" - you mean BUY
"shop our edit" *shoots self*

― kinder, Sunday, 29 May 2016 11:24 (eight years ago)

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 May 2016 11:29 (eight years ago)

shop our edit!?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 30 May 2016 00:09 (eight years ago)

https://www.theoutnet.com/en-GB/Shop/List/Shop_our_boho_edit

― kinder, Monday, 30 May 2016 12:13 (eight years ago)

i see this constantly

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 30 May 2016 12:19 (eight years ago)

online critics

― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 30 May 2016 18:14 (eight years ago)

The overuse and often misuse of the word "hypocrisy." One I feel like I see a lot is using "hypocrisy" to just mean "not being consistent," like a person who is sometimes religiously observant but not all the time.

― a man a plan alive (man alive), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:01 (eight years ago)

"Elites"

― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 3 June 2016 13:40 (eight years ago)

I just saw a hagen dazs add that said "56 years in the making" with a picture of a spoon of their ice cream. This really irritated me -- they haven't spent 56 years crafting their butter pecan or whatever ice cream flavor, it's been likely the same or with minor tweaks at best for decades. That's not what "in the making" means.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 13 June 2016 14:30 (eight years ago)

Heard Trump use the word "Bigly" the other day. Didn't annoy me so much as amuse me but it would annoy me if was used more often - and by less ridiculous figures.

― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Monday, 13 June 2016 14:32 (eight years ago)

winningest

― pandemic, Monday, 13 June 2016 14:33 (eight years ago)

'a non-zero chance', especially in political writing. if you're too wishy-washy to come up with a proper statistic, you should really just leave it at 'a small chance' or 'a chance'.

― small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Friday, 17 June 2016 05:57 (eight years ago)

(I've even seen people use 'a small but non-zero chance', like they're proud of the fact that they're getting paid by the word)

― small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Friday, 17 June 2016 05:59 (eight years ago)

scantily clad

― billstevejim, Friday, 17 June 2016 07:09 (eight years ago)

"if there's one thing i really hate" people who say this never have one thing they always have loads.

― pandemic, Friday, 17 June 2016 13:32 (eight years ago)

For me it's "there are two kinds of people:" The kind of people who divide people into two kinds, and, um, the other kind.

― I'm Martin Sheen, I'm Ben Vereen (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 17 June 2016 14:21 (eight years ago)

"miss your face"

― riverine (map), Sunday, 19 June 2016 06:45 (eight years ago)

The word "rockstar" to mean something spectacular or impressive because nowadays it makes me think of some has-been musician playing at county fairs and casinos.

― joygoat, Monday, 20 June 2016 16:05 (eight years ago)

It always makes me think of the one "rocker" dude that's always in the mix on American Idol-style shows. Sort of a campy caricature of what it used to mean.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 20 June 2016 16:10 (eight years ago)

being a rockstar, that's where i'm a viking

― assawoman bay (harbl), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 00:52 (eight years ago)

eurocents

― Number None, Saturday, 2 July 2016 16:56 (eight years ago)

I've heard a ton of political pundits say "Calvinball" in the last few weeks.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 12:00 (eight years ago)

wokest bae - I always imagine the writer in mid-stroke when typing this

― Darin, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 21:45 (eight years ago)

^ minor character in next star wars film

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 21:47 (eight years ago)

probably already been mentioned but I'm a bit tired of the whole Charlie Brooker/Chris Morris school of calling hated public figures things like 'cockmangling spunktrumpet' etc.. Kind of funny when they did it on Brass Eye in the 90s but I'm surprised at how impressed people are by this sort of thing

― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 08:51 (eight years ago)

"We do not agree that hindsight is required" - I'm gonna hear this phrase 1000s of times and the present tense "is" will always annoy.

― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 12:27 (eight years ago)

"elevated pub fare" or "elevated pub grub", arrgh, I saw this again this morning, use other words please!

― skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 July 2016 13:27 (eight years ago)

speaking of which, "gastropub"

― oculus lump (contenderizer), Friday, 8 July 2016 13:33 (eight years ago)

"Racially charged"

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:29 (eight years ago)

why are there no racial charging stations in this airport

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:00 (eight years ago)

I dislike the term "policy wonk"

― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:14 (eight years ago)

"grown-up voters"

― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:15 (eight years ago)

Henceforth I propose "wonk" be changed to "wonker."

"What will the political wonkers have to say about this on the Sunday talk shows?"

"Trump will need to recruit a very experienced wonker to be his running mate."

"Bill Clinton had a reputation as an obsessive policy wonker."

― rhymes with month (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:17 (eight years ago)

Something is written in the dust. You read: 'know ycilop.'

― Mordy, Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:19 (eight years ago)

Disconnect. The word is disconnection.

Any eatery that refers to itself as kitchen, e.g. a shitty local chain bar that serves food referring to itself as "kitchen and wet bar". Wet bar even worse than kitchen obv but thankfully haven't seen that much elsewhere.

― ♫ Corbyn's on fire / PLP is terrified ♫ (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:27 (eight years ago)

Sunny's boss the other day wanted to know if she "had a sufficiency of work to do."

Annoys me so much, especially since using the word "sufficient" would have been... sufficient.

― pplains, Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:07 (eight years ago)

lol I say sufficiency

― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Thursday, 14 July 2016 19:04 (eight years ago)

it is but one example of a kind of jocular scots grandiloquence I picked up from my granny

― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Thursday, 14 July 2016 19:05 (eight years ago)

Any time wins uses the word ghostbusters i get ia

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 July 2016 22:40 (eight years ago)

For some reason I hate that you can say 'resilience' or 'resiliency' interchangeably.

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 14 July 2016 22:52 (eight years ago)

I vote for resilience and relevance and compliance ("compliancy" ugh).

But for some reason I think I think of "competence" and "competency" as different things.

She displays competence. (mass noun)

Pickling and tickling are among her competencies. (count noun)

Though I guess you could do away with this use of "competencies" by concluding that it means the same thing as "skills."

― rhymes with month (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 July 2016 00:50 (eight years ago)

ymp otm

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, 15 July 2016 00:51 (eight years ago)

stop saying t-minus two days when something is happening in two days, please

― assawoman bay (harbl), Friday, 15 July 2016 00:55 (eight years ago)

Only two sleeps left! Is even worse.

― Jeff, Friday, 15 July 2016 01:02 (eight years ago)

the fuck is a wet bar?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 15 July 2016 04:07 (eight years ago)

Sunny's boss the other day wanted to know if she "had a sufficiency of work to do."

my maternal grandmother liked to describe a satisfactory meal as "an ample sufficiency", so i'm rather fond of that one.

― oculus lump (contenderizer), Friday, 15 July 2016 05:01 (eight years ago)

Legend/legendary/epic for everything from a shitty pop star to a pizza

― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 15 July 2016 05:15 (eight years ago)

Any time wins uses the word ghostbusters i get ia

And yet you persist in asking me who I'm gonna call

― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Friday, 15 July 2016 05:49 (eight years ago)

Nonesuch

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, 15 July 2016 05:58 (eight years ago)

Y u wanna troll morelike

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, 15 July 2016 05:59 (eight years ago)

crying_slimer.jpg

― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Friday, 15 July 2016 06:11 (eight years ago)

- "So this sufficiency has a bath, a stove, and a mini-fridge. What do you think?"
- "Eh, it's enough."

― pplains, Friday, 15 July 2016 13:32 (eight years ago)

"___-shaming"

like a lot of these phrases, it starts from the right place politically but gets mindlessly overused in clickbait headlines and becomes grating

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:02 (eight years ago)

phrase-shaming

― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:04 (eight years ago)

"Street Food"

This seems to only be used to fine dining places that are decidedly not on the street. Plus the supposed authenticity it's supposed to invoke (in the sense of "from the streets" or "out on the streets" which I also hate) really bugs me.

― EDB, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:22 (eight years ago)

Yeah the more I think about it there's no other context in which "street food" makes sense. Like you would just say "let's go get tacos from the cart," not "let's go eat some street food." So "street food" only gets used off the street.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:41 (eight years ago)

the fuck is a wet bar?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I don't know, there's literally only one place here that ive seen that uses the term, but it's a god awful term!

― jim in vancouver, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:43 (eight years ago)

... have you guys never been in countries where street food is a literal thing

― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:43 (eight years ago)

like you go out on the street and there's someone with a fryer or a gas range making eggs or donuts or tacos or whatever

― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:44 (eight years ago)

lil bit of dirt w ur burger

even ate fish that was baked covered in dirt and rocks

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:45 (eight years ago)

the latter is not so much street food but village food i guess bc they dont even have streets

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:46 (eight years ago)

true I'm thinking primarily of latin America + Asia where cheap food prepared in the street (and not in an actual restaurant/kitchen). I get that high-end places trying to appropriate this style of preparation to claim "authenticity" is annoying and lame but that doesn't mean street food is not a thing

― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:48 (eight years ago)

where cheap food prepared in the street (and not in an actual restaurant/kitchen) is widely available in both urban and rural locales.

I meant to say there

― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:49 (eight years ago)

peen

boink

― Best Beloved Trumppence (contenderizer), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:53 (eight years ago)

this was in latin america

no word/phrase/usage currently annoys me btw

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:53 (eight years ago)

"rare" in reference to items where the scarcity is manufactured

I got a marketing email from Gustin: "Our two rarest selvedge denims"

btw, also: "selvedge"

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:14 (eight years ago)

"Thanking you" instead of "thank you". Notice this too often since I moved to Scotland.

― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:47 (eight years ago)

ha this is totally the kind of thing a little old lady says to you when you pay at greggs

― ♫ Corbyn's on fire / PLP is terrified ♫ (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:54 (eight years ago)

It's said a lot here (Fife), and I've never understood it.

― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:00 (eight years ago)

I always thought it was a twee British ilxism, as in "thankin u"

― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:01 (eight years ago)

it's got that nice meta *writes middle of sentence* sense of removed commentary

― ogmor, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:05 (eight years ago)

xxpost Isn't "wet bar" a holdover from Prohibition (e.g wet = serves alcohol vs dry = doesn't)?

"Thanking you," I think, is the colloquial version of a tendency in, eg. news media, to turn active verbs into gerunds for dramatic effect.

NB:
http://www.newslab.org/2012/01/17/tv-news-needs-verbs/

"When verbs do turn up in copy they’re often disguised as gerunds or participles, trailing an “-ing” behind them. On Fox News, for instance, Shepard Smith’s scripts are notorious for overdoing that “-ing” thing. “Cops and demonstrators clashing openly in the streets of the nation’s capital, pepper spray, smoke bombs, night sticks, beating back the crowds.” That’s not active copy. It’s a run-on sentence fragment. And it violates a central principle of good writing. As George Orwell put it, good prose is like a windowpane. It does not draw attention to itself."

― dinnerboat, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:08 (eight years ago)

It comes across really passive-aggressive.

― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:10 (eight years ago)

I always thought a wet bar was one where you just swim up and order a pina colada or something.

― how's life, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:14 (eight years ago)

No, that's a swim-up bar.

A wet bar is real estate parlance; it simply means a household bar that has a sink. It makes zero sense when describing professional bars, because they are presumed to have running water.

The opposite, "dry bar," is p much never used because no one in real estate would ever advertise a household feature by saying what it didn't have.

― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:52 (eight years ago)

http://www.drybar.co.uk/

― kinder, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:00 (eight years ago)

In nyc I think "dry bar" is a type of hair salon or something. I remember a woman we know saying she wished the neighborhood had a dry bar and me being like "???" and then her explaining it.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:35 (eight years ago)

Resurgence of "thanking you" is down to Still Game surely.

― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:16 (eight years ago)

I saw "pre-madonna" instead of prima donna yesterday.

― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:16 (eight years ago)

in reference to Jews?

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:30 (eight years ago)

Resurgence of "thanking you" is down to Still Game surely.

― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:16 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno, it's been common with folk of a certain age my whole life and im 32.

― jim in vancouver, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:32 (eight years ago)

It comes across really passive-aggressive.

― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:10 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the usage of "comes across" here isnt quite right

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:38 (eight years ago)

there's a lot of Scottish-English phrases were you use the gerund in ways you wouldn't in standard English e.g. "are you wanting to go out?" instead of "do you want to go out?"

― jim in vancouver, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:38 (eight years ago)

I always thought a wet bar was one where you just swim up and order a pina colada or something.

― how's life, Tuesday, July 19, 20

same!

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:40 (eight years ago)

Yep. Same here. The present tense as gaeilge is a very evocative thing and in particular the usage of it in describing emotional state, akin to the formal use of the present participle to describe an ongoing action in english.

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:42 (eight years ago)

It comes across really passive-aggressive.

― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:10 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the usage of "comes across" here isnt quite right

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Tuesday, July 19, 2016 10:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Coming across?

See I don't mind tense usages like "are you wanting in?" or "I need paid" and yeah they can be quite evocative but "thanking you" nah.

― ewar woowar (or something), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 07:24 (eight years ago)

I saw "pre-madonna" instead of prima donna yesterday.

Thats a whole nother thing that we must have gone over at some point, shit like "to all intensive purposes" and "I would of done that". Urghh.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:48 (eight years ago)

Let's nip that stuff in the butt

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 July 2016 13:10 (eight years ago)

I've only heard "Thanking U" on ILX, where I've always thought it was inspired by Bimble???

"Supper Club" – this became big among douchebag restaraunts here like 6-7 years ago, and I often associate it with "wet bar" re: douchey places that try to distinguish themselves through meaningless titles (cf anything that isn't a bar that calls itself a bar).

― EDB, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:19 (eight years ago)

"...if that makes sense"

Hate it because what the person is usually trying to express is pretty simple, and by asking if that makes sense, they're revealing how little they think I'm able to comprehend. Especially annoying when it's part of some basic state of being a human, ie, "When I visited my parents, I had fun, but didn't have fun, if that makes any sense." Yeah, duh, it can be awkward visiting your parents, for the same variety of reasons it's been awkward visiting parents since the dawn of visiting parents.

― Dominique, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:31 (eight years ago)

Touchy

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:48 (eight years ago)

ime when people say "if that makes sense" it's due to a fear that they are incomprehensible and less that the listener is a rube (although i don't disagree that it's unnecessary, if that makes sense)

― a simba man (Will M.), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:50 (eight years ago)

I'm flabbergasted no one's mentioned this ITT: "What part of ___ don't you understand?"

TBF, I generally only hear it in TV or movies but it's become such lazy "talk to the hand!" shorthand that I cringe every single time I hear it.

― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:56 (eight years ago)

yeah, I hear it so much, I kind of suspect it must me getting annoyed more than people are being annoying. If that makes sense. Which it better!!!!

― Dominique, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:58 (eight years ago)

A while back when the "____ For Dummies" books were becoming popular, I had the idea for a knock-off series called "What Part of ___ Don't You Understand?!"

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 21 July 2016 19:30 (eight years ago)

The tone of the series should be one of extreme irritation at having to explain such simple concepts to someone as thick as the reader.

― jmm, Thursday, 21 July 2016 20:00 (eight years ago)

My series is called: "I'm Not Going to Enact the Labor of Explaining _______ to You"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 July 2016 20:06 (eight years ago)

Dear reader,

Oh my god, are you serious? You seriously don't know about _____. Are you able to make it to the bathroom without soiling yourself? Really? That's surprising.

― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 July 2016 20:07 (eight years ago)

I support all of these series, but only if the ____ is always MS-DOS.

― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 21 July 2016 20:28 (eight years ago)

Probably been on this thread somewhere but I really hate the British news obsession with the word "snub".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 July 2016 20:35 (eight years ago)

DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename" :(

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 21 July 2016 22:17 (eight years ago)

Probably been on this thread somewhere but I really hate the British news obsession with the word "snub".

my wife has 2 friends who consistently misuse the word 'snob' to mean 'snub', and it makes me cross

― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:42 (eight years ago)

when they do this, imagine they are using the word 'snob' to mean 'snog'. it may improve your mood.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 22 July 2016 03:49 (eight years ago)

The blogsite word of the moment seems to be "weaponize"

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 25 July 2016 00:59 (eight years ago)

really really tired of "dumpster fire"

― joygoat, Monday, 25 July 2016 01:37 (eight years ago)

fuck the phrase "garbage person"

― skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Monday, 25 July 2016 02:40 (eight years ago)

"_______ much?"
― just1n3, Monday, January 26, 2015 2:28 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

corollary to this is replacing much with ", anyone?"

― intheblanks, Monday, 25 July 2016 02:59 (eight years ago)

really really tired of "dumpster fire"

― joygoat, Monday, 25 July 2016 01:37 (1 hour ago) Permalink

yeah this is big in clickbait, and phrases that become big in clickbait are usually terrible

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 25 July 2016 03:00 (eight years ago)

This Twitter perfectly explains what dogs would have been like in school
The hero of 'The Big Short' perfectly explained why you shouldn't try to be the next Warren Buffett
Joseph Brodsky Explains Perfectly How to Deal With Critics and Detractors in Your Life

Let me make up my own mind whether or not it's perfect! And paired with 'explains' like you definitely didn't understand in the first place...

― It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Monday, 25 July 2016 13:52 (eight years ago)

to me "if that makes sense" is more like politeness in a self-deprecating manner. like "am i rambling here or do you understand what i'm trying to say? should i be more clear?"

it would be part of a polite work conversation to me. i am fairly sure, for example, after i make a comment on a piece of work i'm editing, i may end it with "does that make sense?" - again not patronising, more the opposite, "i'm offering you the chance to say you don't have a clue what i'm rambling on about, you disagree, or that i'm full of shit."

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 25 July 2016 13:55 (eight years ago)

aka a comprehension check
it's definitely more polite than "did that makes sense to you?"

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 25 July 2016 14:01 (eight years ago)

oops make not makes

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 25 July 2016 14:01 (eight years ago)

Yeah, I don't see that one as hateworthy - lots of valid uses in the larger project of keeping an exchange of ideas or collaborative decision-making based in listening to other people.

― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Monday, 25 July 2016 14:02 (eight years ago)

The idiotic sounding "brexit" reminded me of the dumbest political language I've ever heard: when documents were called "sexed up" or "sexy" during Labour's run. News reporters repeated that shit for too long and I bet they still get cringe flashbacks thinking about it.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 July 2016 14:06 (eight years ago)

afaict "if that makes sense" is also a way of asking "are you still listening to me?"
i don't think it is intended to reflect on the listener's ability to comprehend as much as the speaker's desire to be heard/understood

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 25 July 2016 14:14 (eight years ago)

Whilst I use it myself on occasion and concede its benefits to the cause of introverts everywhere being made to explain things (perfectly), I've definitely known people to abuse "if that makes sense" in like a coy over-estimation of their own depth. Like "I'm just a naturally perceptive person! I can really help people to understand their own minds, if that makes sense" or "I think when you get to my age your issues will just seem like youthful drama, if that makes sense".

― It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Monday, 25 July 2016 14:59 (eight years ago)

I use it in work situations where I really don't know whether people are hearing me or not.

I often manage collaborative projects that depend both on group consensus and on contributions from a lot of different people - people who are very busy and who very much do not work for me.

So (as I did this morning) I find myself saying/writing something like: "Last week, the consensus was that Yasuko and Jose would meet separately to strategize. I'll take that content and combine it with what Susan and Rajiv wrote earlier, then send out the revised draft to everyone for comment. Does that make sense?"

Perhaps it's passive/aggressive or whatever but: organizationally speaking I can't order these people around, but I am absolutely dependent on their expertise for the content we are jointly assembling. So I float a game plan with an open-ended question, allowing people to chime in if I'm way off base.

If they don't object, then I move forward as I indicated. Should someone challenge my judgment later on, I always have the excuse handy of "I gave you an opportunity to comment or raise objections, and you didn't."

― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 25 July 2016 16:04 (eight years ago)

"Clunge"

― Neanderthal, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:02 (eight years ago)

"woke"

― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:40 (eight years ago)

I ask "does that make sense" a lot in training mostly because some of my colleagues use things like "are you following?" or "do you understand" as it can make someone feel singled out or like you're calling them stupid. also because prefer the former because it frames it more like "did I explain it to you well enough" because maybe I didn't and if not then I want to try explaining another way.

I also use "did that answer your question" as a courtesy.

one of my co-facilitators basically made this poor woman feel like an idiot a few weeks ago by just kinda badgering her with questions like "what isn't clear to you, this plan is not really that different than other plans".

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:52 (eight years ago)

*and it can , not "as it can"

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:53 (eight years ago)

"Morphed"

in 2016!!! wtf

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:54 (eight years ago)

it also bothers me when people say "karma" every time some shitbag later has something shitty happen to them.

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 01:00 (eight years ago)

Elvis otm.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 01:02 (eight years ago)

Elvis was otm to most.....

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 01:03 (eight years ago)

also "lit"

― davey, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 23:53 (eight years ago)

I think this is just confined to Australia, but "schnitty" as a ubiquitous slang for a schnitzel used by pubs and restaurants across the land, and all who encourage it should be rendered down to their component elements

― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 July 2016 04:17 (eight years ago)

TBH australians doing that for most words gives me hives.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 28 July 2016 06:06 (eight years ago)

I'll always rep for durry, that said.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 28 July 2016 06:08 (eight years ago)

i like durry too, and pluggers has its rough charms, but schnitty is an outrage and servo is depressing.

― estela, Thursday, 28 July 2016 09:56 (eight years ago)

when i briefly visited australia i was surprised, kind of bemused, but overall pleased, by how ubiquitous schnitzels were.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 July 2016 10:19 (eight years ago)

'Price point', as in 'set at that price point'. What's wrong with just 'price'?

― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 28 July 2016 10:27 (eight years ago)

"make a decision"

WE HAVE A WORD FOR THAT IT'S "DECIDE"

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 July 2016 10:29 (eight years ago)

Are we back to making decisions now? Under Cameron we were taking them, much to my disgust.

― kinder, Thursday, 28 July 2016 11:38 (eight years ago)

"pay grade"

― skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Thursday, 28 July 2016 11:56 (eight years ago)

yeah, people I work with use "beneath my pay grade" all the time to mean "this task that's part of my job description should really be done by an intern."

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 28 July 2016 13:45 (eight years ago)

i only ever hear pay grade used when people are asking if they can do something in fear that it might be "above their paygrade". probably use this occasionally myself, like if i am about to send a mail or question something that might be best said by my boss or whatever.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 July 2016 13:46 (eight years ago)

Can't help myself, whenever I see Pay Grade I immediately think Gay Pride.

― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 July 2016 13:59 (eight years ago)

i think first heard it in a Bourne movie, tbh, then all of a sudden it was everywhere. just seems like an unctuous way to say "salary"

― skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Thursday, 28 July 2016 14:12 (eight years ago)

or Gay Parade, xp

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 28 July 2016 14:21 (eight years ago)

xp it doesn't just mean "salary" because it refers to jobs that have specific salary steps or "grades" (e.g. govt jobs).

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 28 July 2016 14:22 (eight years ago)

If I use it, I mean what LocalGarda said. It means "I'm just the dumb worker bee, I can't make a decision of that magnitude." Or "I'm just a contractor. It's not my place to tell you what your business strategy is - that's for your leadership to figure out, and if they haven't, that's on them, not me."

Pithy alternatives like "it's not my place to say" sound weak and passive. The more folksy "That's outside my swim lane" sounds like you're just trying to dodge work.

Especially if you're talking to ex-military or government folks, they will know that what you mean is "a different (usually more important) person needs to decide that." The idea is for them to conclude "Okay, I need to lay off hassling Mad Puffin, because it's not his fault his hands are tied."

It may also mean "I will get in serious trouble with both of our bosses if I do that thing that you just asked me to do." Or "My hands are tied (by your own stupid internal rules)." Ass-coverers everywhere can relate, and they will let you off the hook.

― mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 28 July 2016 15:11 (eight years ago)

So (as I did this morning) I find myself saying/writing something like: "Last week, the consensus was that Yasuko and Jose would meet separately to strategize. I'll take that content and combine it with what Susan and Rajiv wrote earlier, then send out the revised draft to everyone for comment. Does that make sense?

Actually, I'm way less annoyed by "does that makes sense?" -- I think precisely because it's a question, and not a rhetorical statement. I ask that a lot when I'm training people too, because it forces them to actually consider if it makes sense. And they almost always say it does, when later I realize that it didn't, but that's another story...

― Dominique, Thursday, 28 July 2016 15:20 (eight years ago)

Let me make up my own mind whether or not it's perfect! And paired with 'explains' like you definitely didn't understand in the first place...

― It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Monday, July 25, 2016 8:52 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel like some of this type of language in clickbait ties in with my half-formed thoughts about this increasingly popular tendency for average people to reject experts because they have access to so much information that they now believe themselves to be experts in everything except that their 'expertise' often only extends to parroting dumb shit that was written by a twenty-year-old clickbait author who employs rhetorical flourishes that project expertise without any of the troublesome ambiguity or depth found in an actual expert's opinion that might pose a challenge to our own.

― FUIUDalism (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 July 2016 15:29 (eight years ago)

Recently saw this article by a woman complaining about whiny friendzone guys, making all sorts of silly generalizations. She said one of the key differences between friendzone whiners and studs was that the former were obsessed with what pundits say and studs don't care about pundits opinions.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 July 2016 17:41 (eight years ago)

"And Hiddleswift have been photographed just ONCE in the past two weeks. Before the Kimye feud kicked in, they were papped multiple times per day."

Papped?! I assume short for 'papparazzi'd? Ugh.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 1 August 2016 14:16 (eight years ago)

that's repulsive

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 August 2016 14:20 (eight years ago)

That's been about for 10 years, easily.

― Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Monday, 1 August 2016 14:21 (eight years ago)

Pap-smeared multiple times per day

― barney can't be a real dinosaur; he has fur (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 August 2016 14:31 (eight years ago)

the new guidelines suggest once every 5 years

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 August 2016 14:32 (eight years ago)

http://blog.robertstrachan.com/wp-content/gallery/glencoe-feb-10/loch-leven-pano.jpg

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Monday, 1 August 2016 14:37 (eight years ago)

"That's above my pay grade" is also a way I sometimes self-deprecatingly remind myself to stop overthinking and second-guessing decisions I have no control over.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:07 (eight years ago)

.... if that makes sense.

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:08 (eight years ago)

tbh 'if that makes sense' is ultimately arrogant, rather than humble. If it didn't make sense that way you wouldn't have said it that way. If you think you were unclear, then you'd rephrase. So you either don't care enough to fix your lack of clarity, or you do actually think it's pretty clear (this is more likely) but that the person listening is a cretin who can't follow your heroically nuanced train of thought

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:10 (eight years ago)

i say this all the time fwiw

... if that makes sense

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:12 (eight years ago)

I think it gets used out of insecurity, but an insecurity ultimately born of thinking you're smarter than other people and worrying about how they'll perceive you.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:13 (eight years ago)

it is entirely possible to not know if what you said was clear.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:13 (eight years ago)

especially if you frequently work among people with different learning styles and personalities who don't react the same way to you as others do. an aire of superiority isn't inherent in that statement IMO.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:14 (eight years ago)

If you're not sure you were being clear, then clarify! don't put the responsibility on the person you're speaking to! to like, raise their hand and admit that actually, no it doesn't make sense, which takes a more than a bit of courage particularly if their status is lower than yours or they're not comfortable speaking up in public

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:17 (eight years ago)

'sorry, sometimes i speak quickly because my mind is just so amazing and i make cognitive leaps that other can't really keep up with, are you with me? good good"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:18 (eight years ago)

― Neanderthal, Monday, August 1, 2016 3:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This happens to me all the time now that I'm out of the office world and into a public school so far outside the city center that a lot of the staff are basically like the ppl from my hometown (pop. 4300) who never left.

― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:20 (eight years ago)

And yes I DO wish I could stop phrasing everything like I'm talking to 10 year olds but so far experience suggests that I will only get in trouble because whoever I'm talking to won't understand a thing.

― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:22 (eight years ago)

completely wrong on "does that make sense" - as mentioned upthread it's a polite way of checking that you're not explaining something in a completely unclear way.

it's a bigger problem to just keep talking with no space in which to allow someone to ask a question, most people won't ask questions if you do that. the truth of explaining anything is that it often doesn't make sense. stupid questions are usually the best questions. the amount of times i'm at a meeting about say "publication draft function" or whatever and i say after five mins "okay i'm going to be the stupid guy, what is the publication draft function" and half the other people there are like "yeah i was wondering that"... the amount of times that happens makes me think it probably happens even more than i think.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:23 (eight years ago)

A few years ago I had a training project where I spoke to 100 people at a time, with essentially no idea how much prior knowledge they came to the talk with, or what they wanted to get out of it. By a perverse accident of scheduling I nearly always got the sleepy after-lunch slot. Lately I find myself addressing teams of 10-20 people, in three different countries, with no idea of what they think about what I'm saying. Also they have almost no incentive to pay attention or do what I ask of them.

"Does that make sense?" is a nicer way of saying "Is anybody listening?"

Also "Am I getting through? Is this too much detail? Not enough detail?"

So Tracer, it's insecure but it's not born of arrogance - rather, desperation.

― barney can't be a real dinosaur; he has fur (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:24 (eight years ago)

xxxpost. checking in to see if something makes sense is a common training tool, though - far better than someone just assuming that everybody understood it and barreling through without checking in. Something might make perfect sense to me, in my head, the way I said it, and not to someone else. Checking in then gives you the opportunity to explain the concept differently, or break it down to a more granular level. Condescending would be assuming they needed that added level of explanation to begin without checking in.

Granted, I don't say "if that makes sense" because it's too passive, but I use "does that make sense?" which requires a response. Far better than "do you understand?", which can imply that the fault is with the learner if they don't. but regardless, I think reading arrogance into that statement = reaching. there are also public speakers who lack confidence who say this not because they consider themselves the smartest guy in the room, but because they actually lack confidence expressing themselves. I have many colleagues who hate presenting who say things like this. some people might say it out of arrogance, sure, but it isn't this absolute thing.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:24 (eight years ago)

Yeah and it's not like there's a "clarity" button one can just push, because different things will be clear to different people.

"If you're not sure you were being clear, then clarify!" is like "If you're not sure your album is good, just make it better!"

― barney can't be a real dinosaur; he has fur (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:27 (eight years ago)

like communication is a two-way street, it's not about you assessing your own view of how clear you're being on the fly, it's you legislating for the fact that the words you're using have to go into the mind of another person, who's got a different brain, had a different day, does a different job, etc etc, along with a few thousand other factors that might affect the clarity of what's being said.

xpost otm everyone

xxxpost. checking in to see if something makes sense is a common training tool, though - far better than someone just assuming that everybody understood it and barreling through without checking in.

exactly! the idea that you wouldn't allow time for questions is crazy.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:29 (eight years ago)

― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Monday, August 1, 2016 11:22 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

precisely. in my situation, the people I train have often been treated like cattle throughout their career, shoved into trainings that are far too short, bounced back and forth between teams on a moment's notice. they actually appreciate a facilitator who slows things down and actually gives them the opportunity to indicate something wasn't clear, and have it explained to them in a conversational way that doesn't undermine their intelligence.

some analogies that have worked in one class don't work in another - it's not an exact science. Sometimes what you say can be crystal clear to one person and not understood by another. This happens frequently, actually. sometimes nobody gets it. sometimes everybody gets it.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:33 (eight years ago)

people found me much more condescending and distant as a facilitator when I created what I thought were perfect training materials, delivered them in what I thought was a perfect way, and assuming that because I did everything perfectly they were following along, just throwing in an obligatory "any questions?" periodically so I could tick that box off.

btw - "any questions?" will almost always yield far less questions than asking either "does that make sense?".

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:36 (eight years ago)

-either

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:38 (eight years ago)

I don't think "if that makes sense" always means that the person is worried about being unclear whereas the thought is perfectly clear in their own heads. It can also mean that the person is experimenting with the thought in question, and open to its being challenged. It isn't just about clarity, it's also about the validity of the thought.

― jmm, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:39 (eight years ago)

agree!

― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:40 (eight years ago)

there are two clear usages:
strategic, as i have described and has been verified by in orbit and others
pedantic, which does feel insulting and self-important when you are on the receiving end

could it be that these two things are actually the same, and one is from the perspective of the speaker and the other is the perspective of the listener, only they are different speakers and listeners? yes! i believe so. ...if that makes sense
(lol)

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 August 2016 16:23 (eight years ago)

lol

look i'm exaggerating a bit but honestly... use other words. it probably doesn't help that my boss uses this phrase literally 5-10 times per meeting.

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 August 2016 16:31 (eight years ago)

not related, but another usage that annoys - "The 1800s" to refer to the entire 19th century, and the like. I know it has a long history, but it's confusing - "the 1890s" clearly refers only to 1890-1899, so "the 1800s" refers to 1800-1809, case closed. It also suggests a really imprecise relationship to history, as in this article I'm reading about a photo project to make a Google Street View of "New York in the 1800s" - well, clearly these images are going to be from quite a range of times, which would be something useful and maybe thought-provoking to keep in mind as you use this piece of software. In this situation, "the 1800s" might as well just be "those old-timey times."

― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 August 2016 16:32 (eight years ago)

Still thinking that "does that make sense?" much more acceptable than "...if that makes sense".

However, along those lines, more work-related speak that I hate: Long statement, particular regarding some new idea which hasn't been discussed or agreed upon, but ending in "right?"

For example, "This month we've seen a lot of improvement, but our goal of 100 dead rabbits per day means more emphasis on sharper knives and bigger traps, right? There are a lot of ways to make this happen, right? We've heard the goals that management is pushing down, right (notion of this actually being a question is thrown out at this point), and because of the firm-wide objective, right, of ensuring as many dead rabbits as possible, right, we're leveraging the resources from the Mammal Removal group."

This kind of management-speak is progressively more effective the longer the manager speaks without interruption. By the end of a long rant, you've been overwhelmed by the number of points taken for granted as having been "right", that you keel over in desperate submission.

― Dominique, Monday, 1 August 2016 16:53 (eight years ago)

I use "if" and "does" interchangeably and frequently when teaching, especially when talking to students individually. I teach web and design classes so I'm often trying to explain abstract or totally unfamiliar ideas about file structure, how browsers load and display sites, image resolution, etc.

I'm often using analogies or examples and check in a lot to see if how I'm explaining something works with their level of familiarity and how they personally process information to come to an understanding of a concept. They come from all sorts of backgrounds and have wildly different ways of understanding how things work and I want to know if I should try a different tactic.

― joygoat, Monday, 1 August 2016 23:26 (eight years ago)

Usage #1, speaker

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 August 2016 23:54 (eight years ago)

one of my philosophy professors always said right in the form of a question

especially as he would lecture with a contemplatively look

philosophizing

walking from one side of the room to another gazing at the floor

man i loved that guy

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 00:08 (eight years ago)

i know this is petty and i try to be a descriptivist but ppl using portentous as a synonym for pretentious drives me crazy - not least bc i think a lot of ppl use portentous for pretentious reasons ("pretentious" being too common-use to appeal to them).

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:33 (eight years ago)

"adulting"

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:36 (eight years ago)

xp ?? do they in any sense mean the same thing? idgi

Mine: People saying 'mischievious'

― kinder, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:48 (eight years ago)

not according to the OED they don't but ppl still (and i see this consistently) use portentous to mean pompous/grandiloquent etc. and smart ppl who should know better. which is why i don't think they're just confusing the two words - i think they really think portentous can be a more sophisticated way of saying pretentious.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:51 (eight years ago)

I'd forgotten about it implying 'pompous' as always think of it as 'portending' something (thanks, English GCSE!) so... I guess? I do not like it though

― kinder, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:57 (eight years ago)

It doesn't is what I'm saying. It's just about portent. But that's not how I see it used

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:00 (eight years ago)

yeah there's probably a technical word for this - a word gradually acquires a new usage because it happens to sound similar to a word with a different meaning

at some point with enough usage then the new "meaning" becomes legitimate i guess, i.e. dictionaries will give it, however rooted in straight wrongness this process is

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:02 (eight years ago)

http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-jej1.htm

this piece about "jejune" is a little dry (ironically) but it details an instance of a similar process

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:04 (eight years ago)

It's the same confusion people show when using "reticent" versus "reluctant."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:04 (eight years ago)

yes - and in both cases you can kinda understand why the slip is happening beyond just the words sounding similar. something being portentous - full of mystery and foreboding - could kind of strike one as pretentious. being inhibited or reserved is a kind of reluctance - to speak. but what really bothers me about portentous and pretentious is that it's confused by ppl who really should know better - ppl who do know the word pretentious but choose not to use it in favor of a different word that means something else entirely.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:06 (eight years ago)

i usually look askance at people using "pretentious" as an insult anyway so

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:07 (eight years ago)

yes it does seem vaguely anti-intellectual which is maybe another reason pseudos try to replace it w/ portentous which sounds like it may carry a more neutral tone?

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:10 (eight years ago)

at some point with enough usage then the new "meaning" becomes legitimate i guess, i.e. dictionaries will give it, however rooted in straight wrongness this process is

it looks like this has already happened, if I put "portentous definition" into google then it gives me the following:

adjective
- of or like a portent; of momentous significance.
"this portentous year in Canadian history"
synonyms: ominous, warning, foreshadowing, predictive, premonitory, prognosticatory, momentous, fateful; More
- done in a pompously or overly solemn manner so as to impress.
"the author's portentous moralizings"
synonyms: pompous, bombastic, self-important, pontifical, ponderous, solemn, sonorous, grandiloquent, declamatory, overblown, overripe, inflated, rhetorical, oratorical
"Dr Chen muttered some portentous dialogue"

― soref, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:10 (eight years ago)

NV: catachresis?

― Sideshow Gladwell (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:23 (eight years ago)

Feel like the AP has just given up lately.

http://i.imgur.com/DA7yQEC.jpg?1

― pplains, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:28 (eight years ago)

Puffin - yeah i guess so altho i don't think catachresis covers the "word ends up acquiring its misuse as a new valid definition" element

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:29 (eight years ago)

That waitlist (n) wait-list (v) kind of thing doesn't bother me at all.

Lots of compounds do similar costume changes when used in different ways. Mostly they tend to close over time, but they do so by degrees.

Compare: "She owns a small business." Noun. Vs. "She is a small-business owner." Compound modifier. Hyphenated to avoid potential ambiguity over whether she's small or the business is small.

Is there ambiguity introduced by wait list vs. waitlist vs. wait-list? No, not really, but it isn't weird on its face to have the noun close faster than the verb.

― Sideshow Gladwell (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:33 (eight years ago)

Ugh, so glad wait list and wait-list haven't made it across the Atlantic yet. Give it time though.

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:41 (eight years ago)

I'm very annoyed by people who mis-pronouce things in a jokey way too often, and then begin insisting that their pronunciation is correct and is the one you must use in their earshot.

Person a: Have you seen this bio-pic? (pronounces bio-pic as a normal human would)
Person b: You mean a biopic? (pronounces it like a piece of medical equipment)

This also goes for people who say Spiderman the way one would say Lieberman. It may have been funny once.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:57 (eight years ago)

what kind of people do you hang out with

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:57 (eight years ago)

lol

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:58 (eight years ago)

I said "biopic" once in high school and a kid said "bio-pic? I think you mean biopic [to rhyme with myopic]" I wonder whatever happened to him

― conrad, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:00 (eight years ago)

eaten by a lion

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:00 (eight years ago)

one of my colleagues just now on the telephone said he'd go through something with a "tooth comb" perhaps a slip of the tongue but just as likely that he thinks a there is a thing called a "tooth comb"

― conrad, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:01 (eight years ago)

replacing flossing iirc

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:02 (eight years ago)

My friend told me someone he knew was "Vapor acted" the other day

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:02 (eight years ago)

eaten by a lion

always pronounced it "lee-on" and didn't understand the warning shout

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:03 (eight years ago)

also people who pronounce Sci-fi as "Siffy"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:04 (eight years ago)

i say "ess eff" cos i know some SF nerds who get really pissy about "Sy Fy"

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:06 (eight years ago)

i watched one of those cheesy in-class movies in Biology once in high school where the dude kept referring to the element as "al-yoo-min-ee-um" and laughed at him only to realize years later that we in North America are the only idiots who say it/spell it "aluminum"

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:07 (eight years ago)

i know! i seem to recall reading a long time ago that your pronunciation is older/more etymologically established tho

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:09 (eight years ago)

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm

there you go, U-S-A, U-S-A

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:11 (eight years ago)

but then weirdly i guess Americans don't use "calcum" or "potassum" or etc

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:12 (eight years ago)

I'm not a fan of wait-list being a verb in the first place.

― pplains, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:12 (eight years ago)

"Placed on the wait list" is fine. Why is anyone in such a hurry, since we're already literally talking about WAITING?

Also I have seen SciFi (the cable TV channel) jocularly spelled as if it were pronounced "Skiffy." (On Facebook, so, take that for what it's worth.)

― Sideshow Gladwell (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:14 (eight years ago)

They changed their name to SyFy which is like... so much worse than "skiffy" jokes

― a simba man (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:25 (eight years ago)

when I worked in a call centre it seemed like the majority of customers over the age of, say, 60 pronounced WiFi as "wiffy" - it didn't annoy me, though

― soref, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:29 (eight years ago)

but it was weird when they pronounced "spiffy" as 'spy-fy'

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:32 (eight years ago)

I know a person from the Netherlands who says wifi as "veefee," which is correct for many Yurpean languages, and I actually find it kinda charming. I don't do this myself in USian contexts, as I do not enjoy getting punched in the mouth

― think zebras, not horses, unless you're in Africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:37 (eight years ago)

I've heard it pronounced "weefy" across Central and South America.

― Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:54 (eight years ago)

ya wifi is pronounced weefee in a lot of places which is cool

in south america i've heard it pronounced interneto which is awesome

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 19:42 (eight years ago)

interneato

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 19:48 (eight years ago)

Mine: People saying 'mischievious'

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― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Thursday, 4 August 2016 01:29 (eight years ago)

'tweetstorm', as though someone typing with their thumbs on a phone is some awesome display of majestic rage. 12 consecutive sentences is not a storm. It's a paragraph.

― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Thursday, 4 August 2016 05:25 (eight years ago)

"sessions." Every fucking music blog/wanna be publication calls their live sets "sessions."

― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 4 August 2016 14:19 (eight years ago)

Haha, good friend of mine who is a professional event DJ, has lots of radio experience, etc. puts up Instagram photos all the time of what he's listening to on his turntable and labels them "vinyl session."

― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 August 2016 14:24 (eight years ago)

"session" just screams tongue-clicking indieboy thoughtfulness to me idk it makes my skin crawl

― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 4 August 2016 14:29 (eight years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/yQgFiTp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IivJYSL.png

http://i.imgur.com/UouLy1f.jpg

― pplains, Thursday, 4 August 2016 14:50 (eight years ago)

'tweetstorm', as though someone typing with their thumbs on a phone is some awesome display of majestic rage. 12 consecutive sentences is not a storm. It's a paragraph.

― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:25 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the term and the genre equally irritate me. Just write a fucking op-ed.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:01 (eight years ago)

Your opinion about Trump is not the fucking tractatus logico-philosophicus

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:01 (eight years ago)

xpost yeah, there's something super annoying about all the knuckle-cracking and here-we-going before someone fires off 20 tweets. But I suppose confining that much self-righteousness to a single paragraph might cause some kind of black hole to appear in the internet.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:06 (eight years ago)

JM laying down a tweetstorm truthbomb

― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:09 (eight years ago)

tweetstorm truthbomb thumbstrain

― think zebras, not horses, unless you're in Africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:29 (eight years ago)

I'm getting pretty tired of the ironic usage of lizard people/person

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:34 (eight years ago)

otm making light of a serious issue imo

― Mordy, Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:37 (eight years ago)

they need to be stopped

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:39 (eight years ago)

should be scaled back

― nashwan, Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:41 (eight years ago)

i don't like "sessions" that much either but it's one word. it's hard to find another one-word description of a live performance that quite fits. "gigs" sounds kind of wanky and somehow tied into selling tickets at a venue. "live set" is two words and sounds a bit insiderish. ???

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 August 2016 22:32 (eight years ago)

and don't even get me started on "performance"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 August 2016 22:33 (eight years ago)

i hate crooked now

― estela, Thursday, 4 August 2016 22:46 (eight years ago)

by David Sedaris

― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 4 August 2016 23:41 (eight years ago)

― estela, Friday, 5 August 2016 09:58 (eight years ago)

Overuse of acronyms on this forum and on twitter drive me crazy. So many of them are not obvious at all and difficult to search. "nagl" is an abomination.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 15:55 (eight years ago)

"atm" is my least favorite, especially since that acronym already has a meaning: Ass to Mouth

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:01 (eight years ago)

Overuse of acronyms on this forum and on twitter drive me crazy. So many of them are not obvious at all and difficult to search. "nagl" is an abomination.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:55 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:03 (eight years ago)

lol

reasons for use on twitter are pretty obv, imo

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:08 (eight years ago)

idgi

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:14 (eight years ago)

Yes, it makes sense but I still hate what twitter does to people and language.

It taken me a year to figure out what "otm" meant, it was difficult to search. It means "oh that's marvellous".

But honestly it did take me it year to get "on the money".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:15 (eight years ago)

clearly ilx needs faq

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:16 (eight years ago)

X-post had me confused for a while too.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:18 (eight years ago)

ofc is the worst currently popular abbrev, tempted to say the only bad one

― llandfillpollgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (wins), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:20 (eight years ago)

Oh fucking christ?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:21 (eight years ago)

I like nagl because you can make jokes about Thomas/Julia with it.

TFW I always initially read as "trigger fucking warning", which works a surprising amount of the time. I do know what it actually means, too.

― emil.y, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:24 (eight years ago)

Of these, only otm seems to be ilx-specific. As is the stubbornly prevalent lowercase.

I think of nagl, dgaf, imo, lol as internet-wide. Interesting how older netisms like IMHO, NSFW, and IIRC are less used here than elsewhere.

smdh took me a while.

― snarkoterrorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:27 (eight years ago)

"Fuiud" is the only one of these modern acronyms I like. I still think "lol" is wrong but it's probably here to stay for a while.

Who are Thomas and Julia?

Yes, sometimes the lowercase make some sentences really infuriating if we're talking about titles.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:30 (eight years ago)

I see all of those older netisms here I think, but maybe it's just in my own posts...! Sadly, AFK, BRB, BBIAB, etc. have no place. RIP ROTFLMBO.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:34 (eight years ago)

Regularly it'll be albums or song titles mentioned without being obvious.

"He did a terrible thing didn't he?" (song called "A Terrible Thing")

"The album you're talking about is total shit" (album called "Total Shit")

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:39 (eight years ago)

"can't get enough of siamese twins, pornography is classic, always in the mood for a strange day"

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:46 (eight years ago)

I always thought FFS = Fuck Fuck Shit

― frogbs, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:50 (eight years ago)

TFW-- had to google the meaning of that just now. Please don't ever use this ever.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:55 (eight years ago)

OTM is ILX-specific? I had no idea

― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:57 (eight years ago)

I find your lack of george michael's faith disturbing.

― snarkoterrorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:57 (eight years ago)

"Went to see the ruins of beverast and was changed by what I saw, ever since then I've immersed myself in the foulest semen of a sheltered elite"

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:58 (eight years ago)

TFW-- had to google the meaning of that just now. Please don't ever use this ever.

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, August 12, 2016 12:55 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tavon Foster Wallace?

― how's life, Friday, 12 August 2016 16:58 (eight years ago)

fandom

― ejemplo (crüt), Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:44 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― esempiu (crüt), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:59 (eight years ago)

that is a word that annoys the shit out of me

― esempiu (crüt), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:59 (eight years ago)

Who are Thomas and Julia?

Thomas Nagel - philosopher, best known for What Is It Like to Be a Bat?
Julia Nagle - member of the Fall and musician in her own right.

― emil.y, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:25 (eight years ago)

lol how do you grandfolks not know what anything means

― llandfillpollgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (wins), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:29 (eight years ago)

the acronym that puzzles me most is: wins

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:30 (eight years ago)

well I never, sir

― llandfillpollgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (wins), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:31 (eight years ago)

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:32 (eight years ago)

mbdtf

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:33 (eight years ago)

Shit, I thought it was a fetlife thing and meant "woman in nylon stockings".

― emil.y, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:40 (eight years ago)

"can't get enough of siamese twins, pornography is classic, always in the mood for a strange day"

context's a helluva drug

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:44 (eight years ago)

otoh once irl a friend enthused about the theme song to bond film the world is not enough and i said "oh that's garbage" and he looked hurt

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:47 (eight years ago)

My joke examples would be easy enough in their likely context but I've seen more than a few head scratchers when people are talking about quite obscure stuff here.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:03 (eight years ago)

otoh once irl a friend enthused about the theme song to bond film the world is not enough and i said "oh that's garbage" and he looked hurt

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour

Similar story: in 1999 some friends and I, rolling hard, played the remix of "Special" and I said, "ooh Garbage!" and the bison-like dude who thought he could hit on my girl friend said, "Nah, bro, it's good!"

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 August 2016 18:06 (eight years ago)

Back in the 90s there was nothing i enjoyed more than scraping foetus off the wheel

Though sometimes i would get in a more old-school mood and i could only be happy if weasels ripped my flesh

was on the turntable

― snarkoterrorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 August 2016 18:07 (eight years ago)

Have you guys heard of the band

Or the music

Or the the

― snarkoterrorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 August 2016 18:07 (eight years ago)

I think "the band" is one of the ones that confused me here, I've been into them a long time but if you're not on their thread it's really not obvious unless there's something else to tell you it's The Band.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:12 (eight years ago)

Wife of a friend of mine came out with, "What the WTF", she still says it but now it's a joke.

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Friday, 12 August 2016 18:15 (eight years ago)

I heard there was a wrestler called OMG that caused a lot of confusion on wrestling forums. Can't find anything about him, perhaps because of the popularity of the "oh my God" acronym.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:27 (eight years ago)

I heard there was a wrestler called OMG that caused a lot of confusion on wrestling forums.

That was probably One Man Gang.

― JRN, Friday, 12 August 2016 19:34 (eight years ago)

never seen "rescreen" outside of ilm, like everyone here has their own private movie theater for when they want to watch blade 2 again

― orifex, Friday, 12 August 2016 20:39 (eight years ago)

"Hiddleswift" sounds like bad fantasy.

The Hiddleswift Chronicles Book VII: Curse Of The Falcon Keeper's Magic Gloves.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 18 August 2016 14:15 (eight years ago)

Yeah, it's a dumb portmanteau. But speaking of fantasy, between the two of them I'm not sure who to be jealous of. They're just too pretty.

― davey, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:07 (eight years ago)

"atm" is my least favorite, especially since that acronym already has a meaning: Ass to Mouth

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, August 12, 2016 12:01 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In that case you can indirectly easily receive money from 2/3 of the common interpretations. Not bad.

― Evan, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:17 (eight years ago)

With class starting, it's time to start compiling again..

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 August 2016 20:33 (eight years ago)

pivot

― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 August 2016 21:08 (eight years ago)

mostly because I keep using it, and I want to stop, but apparently can't

― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 August 2016 21:09 (eight years ago)

sounds like you need to pivot

― pplains, Saturday, 20 August 2016 22:21 (eight years ago)

Why is it universal (in the US at least) that phone customer service people say "What I am going to do is I'm going to ______ (put you on hold/transfer you to a manager/whatever)"? This grates on me.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:42 (eight years ago)

To make the actions of the representative clear, given the calls are usually recorded.

― Evan, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:46 (eight years ago)

is it the narration of the actions, or the repeating of "I am going to"? if the former, I agree with Evan. If the latter, then I get it.

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:51 (eight years ago)

It reminds me of students who preface questions with, "Professor, I have a question..."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:57 (eight years ago)

It's following an implicit "I'm not going to be able to do that," I guess? "[But] what I am going to do is..."

― jmm, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:00 (eight years ago)

It's following an implicit "I'm not going to be able to do that," I guess? " (But) what I am going to do is..."

"Well, in that case, gonnae no' dae that?"

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:07 (eight years ago)

xp yeah that's actually what bothers me, it's the implicit "I'm not going to be able to do that, but..." only it's used outside that context.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:26 (eight years ago)

Don't doctors and nurses say things like that to reassure you?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:47 (eight years ago)

"I would do anything for love, but I won't do that."

― Rhys Witherspork (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 22:22 (eight years ago)

Think on
Rigorous academics
ivory tower thinking
Dig into

― rb (soda), Thursday, 25 August 2016 03:15 (eight years ago)

ivory tower is a really pernicious cliche

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:36 (eight years ago)

"oh, you sweet summer child"

― For this happened a Zweigelt (doo dah), Thursday, 25 August 2016 11:10 (eight years ago)

"throwing shade" can't go out of favour fast enough for me. Hate it.

Also "on the reg" is just a more stupid way of saying "regularly" so that can fuck off and all.

― ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 25 August 2016 15:22 (eight years ago)

"and all"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 August 2016 15:26 (eight years ago)

This is visual language, but the use of gifs and images (usually with text) on tumblr frequently annoys me but I can't always say precisely why.

There is a lot of inspiring/righteous quotes and sequential gif quotes on tumblr and even when what's being said is totally brilliant I can't help but feel what's being said is trivialized somehow. Does anyone else get this?

The other thing is people using images of pop stars and celebrities with text that mocks their enemies. It rarely seems witty or having any point in using an image. Doesnt help that so many of the images of pop stars are so vulgar.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:09 (eight years ago)

I know this is a hate thread but I find AF funny almost every time.

― dinnerboat, Thursday, 25 August 2016 18:09 (eight years ago)

What does that acronym stand for?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 August 2016 18:12 (eight years ago)

"As fuck"

― dinnerboat, Thursday, 25 August 2016 18:19 (eight years ago)

Is this in common usage?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 August 2016 18:28 (eight years ago)

http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a16745/af-usages/

Admittedly these aren't all top-shelf examples. But a well-placed af hits the spot.

― dinnerboat, Thursday, 25 August 2016 18:33 (eight years ago)

"sharing economy"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 25 August 2016 18:34 (eight years ago)

(such-and-such) "ruined my childhood"

― Josefa, Thursday, 25 August 2016 20:18 (eight years ago)

no one says that one unironically any more do they?

― Mordy, Thursday, 25 August 2016 21:18 (eight years ago)

ironically histrionic phrases are awful in their own right

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 25 August 2016 21:28 (eight years ago)

however people mean it, the whole idea behind it is dumb

― Josefa, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:39 (eight years ago)

the whites / the blacks / the hispanics / the whoevers. it ain't hard to drop the article and add a 'people' or a 'folks' if you need to generalize.

― remy bean, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:51 (eight years ago)

... sez remy bean of the whoever folk

― remy bean, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:52 (eight years ago)

oh, and another one: "it's not a big ask to _______ "

― remy bean, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:31 (eight years ago)

doing a disservice

― assawoman bay (harbl), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:44 (eight years ago)

"Webster's defines..."

― An Automatic Response To Things That Are Bullshit (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 August 2016 14:00 (eight years ago)

haha yes

― kinder, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:04 (eight years ago)

i want people at my job to stop saying shitshow

― assawoman bay (harbl), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 23:13 (eight years ago)

shit show?

― assawoman bay (harbl), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 23:14 (eight years ago)

Shits how?

― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2016 08:18 (eight years ago)

"dandle"
which I had never encountered before I read any Game of Throneses but now everyone dandles everyone else all the dandling time.

― kinder, Friday, 2 September 2016 14:16 (eight years ago)

i don't hate "bad boy" but i think it's stupid. like "let's see what this bad boy's got" or something.

― billstevejim, Sunday, 4 September 2016 06:23 (eight years ago)

no that's close to the worst thing anyone can say

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 September 2016 21:36 (eight years ago)

Do you prefer "puppy" used in the same way?

Let's start this puppy.

"Bad boy" I imagine as like a burb dad thing to say about grilling a steak. Hear that sizzle, son? Time to flip that bad boy over.

― some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 5 September 2016 12:33 (eight years ago)

upgrade to "awful boy", "atrocious boy" or "worst of all possible boys", makes everything better

― ogmor, Monday, 5 September 2016 12:35 (eight years ago)

"Hilarious"/"Hilariously"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 5 September 2016 12:47 (eight years ago)

"real life Game of Thrones"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 9 September 2016 21:51 (eight years ago)

See also house of cards

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Saturday, 10 September 2016 09:44 (eight years ago)

Butterface

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 September 2016 10:38 (eight years ago)

getting tired of the smug liberal use of "racist" as a noun. Like "Donald Trump said x. Well he is a racist, so no surprise there."

It's so self-congratulatory. I guess any politican who doesn't say outright offensive things can sleep well at night knowing he is not "a racist."

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 12 September 2016 19:50 (eight years ago)

Trump is maybe the most famous, influential and dangerous racist alive, I think it's kind of fair to point it out.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Monday, 12 September 2016 23:37 (eight years ago)

you must be the first person in history to point that out, congrats

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:07 (eight years ago)

the phrase "awesome sauce" makes me embarrassed for anyone using it

― Darin, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:09 (eight years ago)

AB, I appreciate the snark, but idk I'm not sure I get the point of man alive's objection. Okay, self-congratulatory is a problem, sure, but should we really not call racists out as racists?

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:14 (eight years ago)

cultural focus on racists as identifiable and hopeless subclass neatly quarantines racism as issue of character, allows both for unlimited ferocity of attack and unlimited defensive fortification of one's own subjectivity, moves focus to motives over effects, others the problem, rapidly generates both pariahs (if you want someone to hate) and martyrs (if you want someone to hatefully defend); whites-in-particular both woke and sleep have a whole buffet of motives to focus this way imo

donald trump tho in addition to being symptom and synecdoche of long-term systemic illness or whatever, whitehead on enormous political boil etc., is a racist

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:31 (eight years ago)

Yeah I guess I can't really make the case for getting rid of it as a noun. It's more a tone/context that annoys me.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:32 (eight years ago)

do you need Clearasil

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:33 (eight years ago)

"bragging rights"

― Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:36 (eight years ago)

"all the"

As in, "What kind of tacos are you getting?"

"All the tacos lolol"

― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:37 (eight years ago)

rock up

― conrad, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 05:58 (eight years ago)

yum, a buffet of motives

― there is water at the bottom of the ocean (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 13:22 (eight years ago)

awesome sauce / cool beans
i think "amazeballs" is already in this thread somewhere.

which reminds me of when it's hot outside and someone says "it's hot as balls out here."

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 14:54 (eight years ago)

One can say hot as hell, cold as hell, hot as fuck, and cold as fuck. One can say hot as balls but for some reason cold as balls doesn't really work. If one cared enough there could be a host of venn diagrams.

― there is water at the bottom of the ocean (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 15:45 (eight years ago)

Sure, if you don't mind making more hot balls.

http://i.imgur.com/225p7qw.png

― pplains, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 16:09 (eight years ago)

i've heard cold as balls before.

― a simba man (Will M.), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 17:24 (eight years ago)

i've heard cold as shit which was particularly perplexing because of the generally accepted notion that a turd is usually warm, at best, eg, "one hot turd"

kind of love language and all its quirks though

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 19:08 (eight years ago)

"watch Fred Armisen" do anything.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:22 (eight years ago)

i guess that helped me understand that "as balls" is basically being used the same way as "as fuck" except when someone is like "it's hot as balls" it just makes me think of slimey sweaty balls on a hot day and i'm kinda not into that

― billstevejim, Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:27 (eight years ago)

and i'm totally fine with "as fuck." not annoying at all.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:28 (eight years ago)

carried over from the politics thread "momentum" used to describe something that's just a trend in a certain direction.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:36 (eight years ago)

I may be required to utter the word "deliverology" out loud in the near future.

― jmm, Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:40 (eight years ago)

don't do that

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 15 September 2016 23:31 (eight years ago)

Liverology is the study of the liver. Deliverology is the study of removing livers.

― a silly twist upon a childish dare (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 September 2016 00:36 (eight years ago)

Progressive

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:29 (eight years ago)

And any other phrase meaning "I agree with this" that masquerades as an informative term

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:30 (eight years ago)

adding "-y" to nouns.

"This is a house-y track."

"It's a rape-y anthem."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 September 2016 22:02 (eight years ago)

"that was a felchy sandwich"

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 September 2016 22:27 (eight years ago)

mom jeans
dad bod
mom _____
dad _____

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:38 (eight years ago)

"At least he/she has a sense of humour"

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:42 (eight years ago)

"Hildog" tbh

― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 September 2016 00:38 (eight years ago)

mainstreaming

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 September 2016 00:42 (eight years ago)

'Curl up with a good book'. Ugh.

― Suddenly...Soup! (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:08 (eight years ago)

Blank and blank and blank, oh my.

― chap, Thursday, 29 September 2016 09:20 (eight years ago)

(x) just (x) - and it was (x)

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 September 2016 09:33 (eight years ago)

i.e. Justin Bieber just redefined herpes and it was basically the best thing ever

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 September 2016 09:34 (eight years ago)

fill yer boots

― sktsh, Thursday, 29 September 2016 13:36 (eight years ago)

"optics"

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:54 (eight years ago)

it's one I don't see or hear much any more (thank goodness), but "not unlike" annoys the hell out of me.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 29 September 2016 17:57 (eight years ago)

Think I've heard "going down a rabbit hole" five or six times on CNN tonight.

― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2016 03:24 (eight years ago)

Been around for ages now but this use of "do a ____" in an attempt at being winsome is just awful and needs to stop (I did a cry, you are doing a frighten, &c)

Some acquaintances of mine announced their wedding - their wedding! - on fb with "we did a marry"

― Mädchester Amick (wins), Saturday, 1 October 2016 12:41 (eight years ago)

^maybe one for the innocent aesthetic thread

― Mädchester Amick (wins), Saturday, 1 October 2016 12:41 (eight years ago)

what well-known expression is that goofing on? the only one i can think of is "i did a poo" which can't have been the association they were going for

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 1 October 2016 12:47 (eight years ago)

No I think that really is it

― Mädchester Amick (wins), Saturday, 1 October 2016 12:49 (eight years ago)

That's how awful these people are

― Mädchester Amick (wins), Saturday, 1 October 2016 12:50 (eight years ago)

i'm shitting out my wedding
i'm shitting out my kids
i'm shitting out adulting

― billstevejim, Saturday, 1 October 2016 15:57 (eight years ago)

^ hearing this to the tune of "Bringing On the Heartbreak"

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 October 2016 16:03 (eight years ago)

Very baseball-specific, although maybe this is becoming a cliché with other sports, too: on the Jays broadcast today (and for the last few weeks, really), they must have made five references to how such-and-such a player was able to "slow the game down." You know who knew how to slow the game down? Mickey Lolich--Cecil Fielder, too.

(I'm a little overweight, so I get to say that.)

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 04:05 (eight years ago)

slow the game down fellas
slow the game down
way, hey, slow the game down
slow the game down fellas
slow the game down
give me some time to slow the game down!

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 October 2016 07:13 (eight years ago)

Very baseball-specific, although maybe this is becoming a cliché with other sports, too

That's weird, they've been saying this in soccer since before I was born tbh. Probably before my grandad was born. Something to do with American sports being one-paced?

― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Monday, 3 October 2016 09:23 (eight years ago)

Maybe it's just reaching baseball--I don't recall hearing it until this year, and now they won't shut up about it.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 11:59 (eight years ago)

books and movies called
The ______ Girl
or
The Girl on/with the __________

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 9 October 2016 07:35 (eight years ago)

slow the game down makes sense in football (soccer), a little more than baseball i guess.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 9 October 2016 08:13 (eight years ago)

books and movies called
The ______ Girl
or
The Girl on/with the __________

yes! and also books called "the *antiquated profession's* daughter"

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 9 October 2016 08:13 (eight years ago)

i swear i just put "the glassblower's daughter" into google and there are two different books called that

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 9 October 2016 08:14 (eight years ago)

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22800000/Wonder-Boys-michael-douglas-22891508-500-261.jpg

long time since arsonist's daughter

― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 9 October 2016 09:14 (eight years ago)

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1375061805l/23751.jpg

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:18 (eight years ago)

much more worried about the 'rigged' talk turning out intimidation and violence on election day. all that "you gotta watch the polling places" - - - - it poses real, serious dangers imo. in that unpredictable way that inciting people en masse, however vaguely, tends to do.

― DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:24 (eight years ago)

"self care" is beginning to tip into the annoying

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:36 (eight years ago)

dc otm, rigged is so baconed

― i know nothing about russia (difficult listening hour), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:31 (eight years ago)

(dc also otm)

― i know nothing about russia (difficult listening hour), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:31 (eight years ago)

oh oops ha

― DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:35 (eight years ago)

Anyone else noticed 'ridiculous' turning up a lot? TV adverts for some online game calling it 'This ridiculous game!' and then 'A most ridiculous tournament' (believe original game is eastern european in origin) and also a bus advert for TK Maxx saying something like 'ridiculous decor options!'

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 10 October 2016 22:55 (eight years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/tNeEBFn.gif

― pplains, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 03:36 (eight years ago)

lol

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 03:42 (eight years ago)

i don't know where it came from but the phrase "a special kind of stupid" is a special kind of stupid

― Mordy, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:03 (eight years ago)

Ready to retire "unpack".

As in "[insert crazy shaggy dog story that goes on for ten minutes] and that's why you can't purchase clipboards through the catalog any more, you gotta go through Kim."

...

"Wow. I didn't know. That's a lot to unpack."

― pplains, Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:53 (eight years ago)

I'd be surprised if it hasn't been talked about on another thread but I can't stand it when it looks like someone's trying to load their thinkpiece with every classic/cliche social justice word. Nothing wrong with most of the words, often I even agree with the viewpoint of a piece that still manages to sound idiotic for using so many of those words. And it's only taken a couple of years for some of these word usages to be cliches and a lot of the time they're really inappropriate for what's being talked about.

There seems something really insistent about using those words as if making them as commonplace as possible is more important than writing persuasively.

Also when "cis het white male" is used and not all those categories are relevant to what's being discussed. "It'd be a shame not to include all four privileges".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 October 2016 13:54 (eight years ago)

Election anxiety

― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 20:46 (eight years ago)

The way every single British review of an album by someone from Australia or NZ feels the need to use the word 'Antipodean'

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Saturday, 29 October 2016 00:07 (eight years ago)

and "the land down under"

― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 29 October 2016 00:15 (eight years ago)

way shape or form
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:26 AM (one year ago)

OTMFM

― hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 29 October 2016 02:00 (eight years ago)

whey, shake or pharm

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 29 October 2016 06:57 (eight years ago)

"(Sending out a signal that) we are (officially) open for business"

― Millions of species Faye Dunaway (Tom D.), Saturday, 29 October 2016 07:58 (eight years ago)

The uploader has not made this video available in your country.

― estela, Saturday, 29 October 2016 08:33 (eight years ago)

Relevant - http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2016/10/28/everyone-now-officially-an-artisan/

― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Saturday, 29 October 2016 13:08 (eight years ago)

Oppo

― badg, Saturday, 29 October 2016 13:54 (eight years ago)

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:36 (eight years ago)

"Shit ton"

"From the ten-thousand foot view"

"Karma" as a retort when something bad happens to someone you don't like

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:48 (eight years ago)

Don't @ me

― Jeff, Sunday, 30 October 2016 03:50 (eight years ago)

"Frit" ... for frightened. The only context I've ever heard this in is UK politics, in fact, I'm posting this because I just heard Polly Toynbee say it. Why would you want to sound like an Edwardian 5-year old?

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:15 (eight years ago)

I blame Thatcher

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:19 (eight years ago)

Mic drop

Clap back

― MrDasher, Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:53 (eight years ago)

These babby cant frit back

― how's life, Sunday, 6 November 2016 13:37 (eight years ago)

"Pinky finger". How fucking old are you?

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Monday, 7 November 2016 11:57 (eight years ago)

old or scottish

― sktsh, Monday, 7 November 2016 12:05 (eight years ago)

if it's not called a pinkie, what is it called?

― a simba man (Will M.), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:14 (eight years ago)

do you say some weird alien shit like 5th metacarpal?

― a simba man (Will M.), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:14 (eight years ago)

well "pinky finger" is annoying as shit because it's redundant

otherwise a-ok w me

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:15 (eight years ago)

he says "widdle fingah"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:15 (eight years ago)

sorry from now on i'll only call it my 5th digit just to make you happy

― billstevejim, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:18 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoECwq67Dis

― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:35 (eight years ago)

pinky finger? why can't it be purpley finger?

― how's life, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:44 (eight years ago)

well "pinky finger" is annoying as shit because it's redundant

What if one is describing an action that involves both pinky finger and pinky toe? Then it's important to specify.

― jmm, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:57 (eight years ago)

Pinky toe? Who says that?

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:13 (eight years ago)

what are the other toes called? big and middle i know -- but index toe? ring toe?

― mark s, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:16 (eight years ago)

http://imgur.com/0bd6XoE

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:16 (eight years ago)

http://imgur.com/0bd6XoE

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:16 (eight years ago)

ok wikipedia says it IS called the ring toe

the index toe is called the long or pointer toe

― mark s, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:17 (eight years ago)

Big toe, wee toe, rest o' yer toes. That works for me.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:18 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVajLREARbg

― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:23 (eight years ago)

doctor: "so which toe is the pain, in mr s?"
mark s: "the one that had roast beef"

― mark s, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:24 (eight years ago)

The second toe, "long toe" or "pointer toe"

I can't even move this toe individually, let alone point at stuff.

― jmm, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:25 (eight years ago)

doctor: "so which toe is the pain, in mr s?"
mark s: "the one that had roast beef"

doctor: "ah yes. the beef toe."

― pplains, Monday, 7 November 2016 18:07 (eight years ago)

love trumps hate

― marcos, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 17:22 (eight years ago)

"love trump's hate, gotta love it"

― marcos, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 17:22 (eight years ago)

redouble our efforts

― marcos, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 17:22 (eight years ago)

read an article today where someone said they were going to "double down on their efforts" which sounded a little risky tbh

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 19:30 (eight years ago)

"flip flop" used when someone changes their position once. that's just a flip.

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 19:42 (eight years ago)

It's sad flop was a flop

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 19:55 (eight years ago)

marcos otm re "love trumps hate," I barf evrytiem

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 19:57 (eight years ago)

love trumps hate

― marcos, Thursday, 17 November 2016 04:22 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"love trump's hate, gotta love it"

― marcos, Thursday, 17 November 2016 04:22 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in the same category as when star wars fans say "hey, it's star wars day!! <expectant grin> ... may the 4th!! <expectant grin> ... get it? <expectant grin> ... may the 4th!! <expectant grin> ..."

― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 17 November 2016 00:24 (eight years ago)

going forward

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 November 2016 00:38 (eight years ago)

^ does a job the rest of the sentence has already handled, e.g. "going forward, we will..."; "these are our plans going forward...". honestly it's more like a phonic tic than language.

― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 17 November 2016 02:14 (eight years ago)

Yep. If the sentences uses the future tense, why add 'going forward'? Five years ago it didn't exist.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 November 2016 02:16 (eight years ago)

*sentence. Apparently I gotta work on my subject-verb agreement.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 November 2016 02:16 (eight years ago)

middle managers in the it behemoth i worked for in the '90s used 'going forward' so many times it became a running joke.

on the topic of redundant bullshit in speech (and this might be uniquely australian idk): people in retail/hospitality whacking 'today' at the end of questions/statements like it's god damned punctuation. "are you just browsing today?", "that comes to $36 today", "would you like a bag today?" etc etc.

― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 17 November 2016 02:18 (eight years ago)

HAVE A BLESSED DAY.. TODAY

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 November 2016 09:46 (eight years ago)

Let me guess, USA?

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 November 2016 10:02 (eight years ago)

where else

in response i want to be like

"BLESSED BE"

"and peace be WITH YOU"

or "and hallowed be THY name good sir!!!"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 November 2016 10:14 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqxo5HoVtrM

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 17 November 2016 11:29 (eight years ago)

FUCK YOU 2016

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 28 November 2016 19:23 (eight years ago)

2016, I hate you

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 28 November 2016 19:23 (eight years ago)

ugh! another legend gone!! RIP! fuck 2016, the worst year ever

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 28 November 2016 19:23 (eight years ago)

ANOTHER???? jesus. when will 2016 be over???

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 28 November 2016 19:24 (eight years ago)

No worries, 2017 is going to be indisputably great. I can just feel it!

― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 November 2016 19:41 (eight years ago)

I'm going to continue to blame 2016 for musician deaths next year. It's all 2016's fault.

― jmm, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:03 (eight years ago)

when bbc historians use the present tense the cunts

― identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Monday, 28 November 2016 20:36 (eight years ago)

being that 2016 has been one of the worst years for many people close to me, I can be fairly sympathetic to them saying things like that.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 28 November 2016 22:40 (eight years ago)

"self-reflection"

Redundant doggerel that's popular in educational administrative circle.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 17:20 (eight years ago)

"virtue signaling"

please retire this one before year's end

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 December 2016 15:22 (eight years ago)

also, Marcos otm re "ugh just hit the reset button on 2016 already"

wish we could bring back the glory days of 2015, when people we like didn't die at all

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 December 2016 15:23 (eight years ago)

what are the odds that an octogenarian I've heard of would die

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Friday, 2 December 2016 15:25 (eight years ago)

xpost and for the families of the people who died at Pulse, friends who were made temporarily homeless, or friends of friends who had spouses drown while they were 5 months pregnant, would you give them a reprieve?

cos a lot of my friends are saying "eff 2016" but it's not cos a 80 year old celebrity died.

― Neanderthal, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:53 (eight years ago)

Yeah I don't know about anyone else but I was specifically attacking your friends who had a bad year and not just talking about a stupid celebrity death meme

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:43 (eight years ago)

https://m.popkey.co/c50d0b/JmKA6.gif

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:46 (eight years ago)

Mark ColvinVerified account ‏@Colvinius Dec 1
#2016 in a nutshell. Andrew Sachs dies, Goldman Sachs in Trump's Cabinet.

42 retweets

― soref, Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:55 (eight years ago)

slightly ashamed at the fact that i'm eagerly waiting the first celeb death of 2017 so i can make a "FUCK YOU 2016" Facebook post about it

― brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 December 2016 08:30 (eight years ago)

There will be a lot of that tho, the savages who made #2016 a thing will be like "are we sure it isn't still 2016?" or "2016 2: electric boogaloo" and then we'll never be free of this shit.

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:24 (eight years ago)

Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins) wrote this on thread the psychology and politics of talking about CELEBRITY DEATH on the internet (and ilx) on board I Love Everything on 21-Apr-2016

This doesn't really bother me except the "2016" meme is fucking infantile, it's like everyone's into talking about the 27 club or whatever bullshit all of a sudden

Can't believe I was complaining about this idiotic shit back in april - one of the lesser horrors of modern life is that sinking feeling that comes with the realisation "they aren't going to get bored of this one, are they". SaaaaaD!

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:32 (eight years ago)

tt bought a sarah kane collection yesterday and reading the author bio i realised she was probably in the 27 club

― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:45 (eight years ago)

wow goosebumps

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:45 (eight years ago)

exceppppt she wasn't, now i look it up. died in february but born earlier in february

― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:45 (eight years ago)

fuck february right #butimanaquarius #sad

― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:47 (eight years ago)

There will be a lot of that tho, the savages who made #2016 a thing will be like "are we sure it isn't still 2016?" or "2016 2: electric boogaloo" and then we'll never be free of this shit.

So OTM. Fuck you, 2016.

― pplains, Saturday, 3 December 2016 16:42 (eight years ago)

"creatives" for people who create, seems nitpicky right?

― splendor in the ASS (rip van wanko), Sunday, 4 December 2016 05:32 (eight years ago)

"you get what you get and you don't throw a fit"

i hate it so much

also when idiot coworkers call coffee "bean juice"

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 December 2016 06:35 (eight years ago)

"you get what you get and you don't throw a fit"

lol who says this, your mum?

nb if who's saying this is not your mum they need to fuck off w/that with immediate effect obv

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Sunday, 4 December 2016 13:32 (eight years ago)

"Toys out of the pram". I also don't like 'hissy fit'.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 December 2016 13:38 (eight years ago)

I like 'toys out of the pram' because my son does exactly that and I find it quite apt for other situations

― kinder, Sunday, 4 December 2016 13:41 (eight years ago)

I like shitfit and keep trying to make coprolepsy happen

― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Sunday, 4 December 2016 13:42 (eight years ago)

There were so many of these from watching British reality tv years ago, lots I've probably forgotten but the main one was "at the end of the day, yeahr..." followed by some completely obvious statement.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 December 2016 14:12 (eight years ago)

"amazing" when used to describe any kind of quality ranging from pretty good to actually amazing

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 14:33 (eight years ago)

all adjectives have subjective meaning.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:01 (eight years ago)

at least when abstracted from clearly defined meanings like "rotten fruit" or whatever

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:02 (eight years ago)

I feel that way about "master" and "masterpiece". They're overused for anyone or anything that has some powerful or distinctive qualities. I rarely use either but I'm not sure being a master of a complex art is possible.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:12 (eight years ago)

Original meaning of masterpiece was related to the guild system. The masterpiece was a practical demonstration of the apprentice's mastery of his craft, by creating an item that other passed masters recognized as thoroughly competent, allowing the apprentice to be elevated into full membership in the guild.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 4 December 2016 18:39 (eight years ago)

Have never heard "bean juice", sounds like something from a Clickhole article.

― JoeStork, Sunday, 4 December 2016 18:44 (eight years ago)

"where do we go from here?" "what does this mean?" and other tribal celebrity death cult language. the taking very seriously or AV Clubbing of pop culture.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:03 (eight years ago)

http://www.avclub.com/article/definitive-meme-2016-was-fuck-2016-246823

― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 06:19 (eight years ago)

I'm currently very down on "livin' the dream." You ask someone how they are, and they say "I'm livin' the dream, pal. Livin' the dream."

"Teamwork makes the dream work" is even worse.

But I heard a businessspeak phrase yesterday that intrigued me: "the wolf that's closest to the wagon."

I often hear "the long pole in the tent" to mean "the thing that we need to figure out before anything else can get done."

Sometimes I hear of "sharks in the water" to mean "unresolved things we may need to worry about soon."

But "the wolf that's closest to the wagon" is different from either of those. It means "the most immediately pressing problem."

Now when it's fresh I confess I kinda like it. But if I hear it five more times it will probably begin to wear on me.

― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:33 (eight years ago)

Jesus christ corporate drones are REALLY DESPERATE to connect with some kind of life-or-death frontier past with this imagery.

― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:47 (eight years ago)

"Radical Self-Care"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 15:18 (eight years ago)

Haha, I hate "self care". I've seen it mostly around sensitive subjects so maybe that's not nice but a lot of this language seems designed to be annoying.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 15:57 (eight years ago)

"Radical Self-Care"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:18 AM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i love this, and just "self-care"

7 years of therapy will do that to you

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 16:00 (eight years ago)

"low-hanging fruit"

i've been hearing this for so many goddamn years in every job i've had

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 16:01 (eight years ago)

Jesus christ corporate drones are REALLY DESPERATE to connect with some kind of life-or-death frontier past with this imagery.

Okay, but sports metaphors are just as tired imo, and lots of people play sportsgames. Isn't it just as grating to say that someone is "in the on-deck circle" or "quarterbacking this project"? Plenty of imagery is not directly related to the thing you're actually doing; witness restaurant workers saying they're in the weeds or a driver has his or her head in the clouds.

― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:27 (eight years ago)

i misread that and thought you said "on the deck circle" and i laughed out loud and kinda want to use this now

"hey, keep your head up on the ball, you're on the deck circle mister!"

― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:34 (eight years ago)

just need to bottom this out

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:37 (eight years ago)

i saw a cafe the other day which specialised in unappealing 'mylkshakes' and smoothies titled with horrifying affirmations including 'i am amazeballs'

― estela, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 01:37 (eight years ago)

"Doggo"

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:47 (eight years ago)

Yeah, it's "dogger", obv

― Our Sweet Fredrest (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:49 (eight years ago)

all of that, so done with it

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:22 (eight years ago)

self-care a good one; also misused 'duty of care'

people who call the Champions League the 'Big Cup'.

― the pinefox, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:44 (eight years ago)

nonesuch exist pf check again

― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Friday, 9 December 2016 00:47 (eight years ago)

I'm gonna start doing that

― Number None, Friday, 9 December 2016 07:44 (eight years ago)

"the large cup"

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 9 December 2016 08:06 (eight years ago)

Overheard somebody unironically suggest 'retail therapy' to a friend who was going through some kind of crisis. The friend didn't comprehend at first and the responded "Oh. Yeah. But now I don't have any money to support it."

― how's life, Saturday, 10 December 2016 17:19 (eight years ago)

"fur baby" instead of "pet"

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:03 (eight years ago)

Judgement call!

― the pinefox, Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:10 (eight years ago)

i have not heard "fur baby" in the wild but that is LOATHSOME

― walk back to the halftime long, billy lynn, billy lynn (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:34 (eight years ago)

srsly vg where do you find these people

― banfred bann (wins), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:35 (eight years ago)

I can concur ppl say that in FL too

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 11 December 2016 19:46 (eight years ago)

Equally bad is "food baby"

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 11 December 2016 19:54 (eight years ago)

I'm immediately suspicious of readers and writers who bang on about liking "just a good story".

Also a lot of old comic artists saying "just tell a story" who privilege mechanical clarity over giving readers something to get excited about. You might as well be drawing instruction manuals

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 December 2016 23:11 (eight years ago)

My dad is always like that which is why I knew taking him to Mad Max Fury Road was a mistake.

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 11 December 2016 23:58 (eight years ago)

fury road tells its story with whiplash efficiency and precision!

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 December 2016 10:15 (eight years ago)

i dunno i have a lot of patience for ppl who bang on about storytelling

apart from digital ad execs

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 December 2016 10:16 (eight years ago)

whip smart !!

― the pinefox, Monday, 12 December 2016 11:16 (eight years ago)

It's not just people talking in-depth about storytelling, it's people who bang on like "I just like a damn good story, just give it to me straight with some damn good characters, none of that fancy stuff mind, just a damn good story" are like the type of rockists who go "just give me a choon I can hum and dance along to". I saw some people saying Fury Road and games like Shadow Of The Colossus are pretentious because they don't have all the stuff I'd regard as extraneous bullshit.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 December 2016 13:05 (eight years ago)

Attention all journalists: This is really getting out of hand. Stop saying "woke." You sound fucking ridiculous.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 12 December 2016 13:54 (eight years ago)

Seriously, "awakened" only!

― how's life, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:03 (eight years ago)

like lions roused from snrumber in unvanquishable number

― mark s, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:04 (eight years ago)

RAG i share your pain. the price we pay for living in a world where every idiot with a camera is a film/tv/videogame critic

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:32 (eight years ago)

"This is not normal"

For when your only frame of reference for a potential descent into authoritarianism is a really shitty horror movie.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:20 (eight years ago)

I've seen that phrase used a lot lately, describing events that are genuinely fucked up and others that are maybe disturbing but most definitely normal, but tbf never knew it was citing a horror movie? which one?

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:25 (eight years ago)

lol just one that exists in my mind

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:33 (eight years ago)

it just sounds like it'd be a catch phrase from a bad movie

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:33 (eight years ago)

I find it to be a totally impotent phrase, because it implies everything is fine and the only reason anything happens is bad is because it threatens the fineness and okayness that we'd prefer not to disturb.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:36 (eight years ago)

Class warfare is just a huge tug of war where the rich are never going to get tired or give up.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 05:31 (eight years ago)

"no-go zone"

― soref, Friday, 23 December 2016 05:23 (eight years ago)

"stand alone film"

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 December 2016 15:53 (eight years ago)

Why's that annoying? When you're talking about certain types of films it's necessary.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 26 December 2016 17:14 (eight years ago)

ime if it's necessary to say it "stands alone" it probably does not stand alone, but in fact depends on one's fandom for a particular series, character, or leverage-ready piece of intellectual property. when i'm feeling snobby, the phrase seems to suggest people who only watch fanservice genre series movies, avoiding anything that actually stands alone but convincing themselves that this film somehow rises above, like hey you might not like star was but hold up buddy... this new one is a STAND ALONE movie, even people unfamiliar with the series will surely be won over to the rich characterization and subtle treatment of serious adult themes previously only available to initiates like myself. i realize this has more to do with my snobbishness than the phrase itself which is just marketing-speak BS being parroted uncritically.

― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 26 December 2016 17:54 (eight years ago)

It's useful if you're going out buying books or films that happen to be part of a series and want to know if it can work by itself. I would consider the James Bond films to be stand alone stories more or less.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 26 December 2016 22:35 (eight years ago)

i was talking about re: Star Wars, yes it bugs the hell out of me, cos nothing, not Rogue One, not the Young Han Solo and Young Obi Wan movies, stand alone, they are 100% about rehashing old material and every time i see the words "stand alone film" in connection to these new films it just seems more and more like a desperate marketing attempt to disguise that no, actually, this is the same old shit

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 02:35 (eight years ago)

That's kind of a different complaint.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 03:08 (eight years ago)

most annoying way for ppl to say they don't like X: "X? ... not so much."

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 23:29 (eight years ago)

Said by cashier to queue up next customer: "Can I help who's next?

― rb (soda), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 23:33 (eight years ago)

lol I think I may have posted about that one. Also "Will the following guest please step down?"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 03:12 (eight years ago)

Sick of people saying "hashtag [x]" in conversation.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 03:16 (eight years ago)

Is it the new '[x].com' ?

― kinder, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 09:54 (eight years ago)

I didn't hear that one as often.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 14:06 (eight years ago)

Can I help who's next? No, but Quadrophenia over there is ready to check out.

― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 16:40 (eight years ago)

"happy new years!!" <- is counting to 1 difficult or

― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 1 January 2017 11:06 (eight years ago)

happy

― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 January 2017 11:31 (eight years ago)

I think it's new year's, as in the popular occasion New Year's Eve

― wins, Sunday, 1 January 2017 11:33 (eight years ago)

"Best x on the planet!"

Especially, if it's being used to describe something like a new restaurant in Shoreditch.

― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Sunday, 1 January 2017 12:33 (eight years ago)

"Happy New Year's [Day]!"

"What about the rest of the year?"

"Happy... Next 19 Days!"

― pplains, Sunday, 1 January 2017 15:40 (eight years ago)

normalisation

we get it. you didnt want him to win.

― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (eight years ago)

i quit sugar

― estela, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:31 (eight years ago)

lmao darragh

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:40 (eight years ago)

getting really sick of "pearl clutching" and "hand wringing."

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

"coastal elite"

― marcos, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

actually not really. more just "coastal elite" combined with "pearl clutching" and "hand wringing" and "soul searching"

― marcos, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

man alive otmfm

― wins, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

normalisation

we get it. you didnt want him to win.

https://twitter.com/rmkf/status/803561189355700224

i can see the reasons for why people are using the word but many others just caught it like a cold.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

xp they have just become shortcuts to conveying that you are too cool for school. "OH ALL THESE PEOPLE PEARL CLUTCHING AND HAND WRINGING ABOUT THING I DON'T EVEN THINK IS A BIG DEAL"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:37 (eight years ago)

my problem with "normalization" is that he is going to be the president. It is virtually impossible not to normalize a president to some extent. You can live every single day of the next 4 (or god forbid 8) years acting like the world is now upside down.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

Every word that migrates from the academy to the mainstream is basically intolerable.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:43 (eight years ago)

'the academy'

before ppl stop using pearl clutching and hand wringing other ppl are going to have to stop doing those things

― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

nah every instance of it you encounter is basically

"this thing is bad"
"wow hysterical"

― wins, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:57 (eight years ago)

now youre just pearlcl....... OH SHIT

― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:57 (eight years ago)

pearl-clutching also seems GENDERED. Here's why that's problematic.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:00 (eight years ago)

I don't like the way a lot of Americans say "loser" as an insult. It sounds as if people are mocked for simply being unfortunate rather than being a waster or someone who never tries.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:04 (eight years ago)

I'm wearing (and clutching) pearls right now, and that's okay.

― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:04 (eight years ago)

RAG, you might be referring to a particular subset of Americans there.

― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)

The gendering of pearl-clutching is one of the most bothersome things about it! Used on women it's just straight up sexist, used on men it's classic gay-baiting, like "fussy" "frilly" "prissy" etc.

― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

quit strawclutching doc

― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:22 (eight years ago)

yeah exactly.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

Awful looking cgi has been normalized.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)

strawcucking

(observation, not annoyance)

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:44 (eight years ago)

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/marmalize

― wins, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:46 (eight years ago)

The revolution will not be martinized

― there is important candy to be crushed (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

But emails!

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 January 2017 17:09 (eight years ago)

'Trump won because racism'
'The world is different now because technology'
etc

^
hate this formulation
ie: basically the omission of 'of' and the combination of smugness and laziness involved.

― the pinefox, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:57 (eight years ago)

that's my single favourite formulation of the past few years

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 January 2017 12:08 (eight years ago)

I have a friend who uses 'dumb', 'stupid' and 'retarded' all the time on Facebook. I realise he's using these words figuratively - 'people voted Trump because they're dumb'; 'Theresa May is retarded' etc, but it really winds me up and I kind of want to say something without coming off as precious or self-righteous

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 16 January 2017 12:21 (eight years ago)

nah -- come off precious and self-righteous

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 January 2017 12:24 (eight years ago)

"stupid" is not really in the same league as "retarded", nor is "dumb" to a lesser extent.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 January 2017 12:28 (eight years ago)

alfred otm, 'retarded' especially is beyond the pale. i used to say it and regret it enormously.

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 January 2017 12:29 (eight years ago)

there's a point beyond which i think it's absolutely fine to tell even the people closest to you that they're using some fairly crap epithets and should stop.

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 January 2017 12:30 (eight years ago)

yeah, obvs 'retarded' just isn't acceptable any more. i think i used to say it too and this guy just never got out the habit. 'stupid' is fine but sometimes it's more about context. 'this idea is stupid' is fine, but he over-does it sometimes and interchanges the three words: '[person in the media] is dumb'; '[public demographic] are retarded' etc...

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 16 January 2017 12:36 (eight years ago)

it also lacks flourish, far more fun to call someone a feckless tosswank

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 January 2017 12:38 (eight years ago)

yeah and it's just this constant undermining of people in general. he revels in misanthropy so it's very much in character. might have a word next time though.

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 16 January 2017 13:15 (eight years ago)

Seems like it's not the words he uses (which are lazy and unimaginative at best) but the dismissiveness of his message. Takes a pretty arrogant person to publicly dismiss xyz thing by simply declaring it "dumb" or "stupid"

Best of luck getting through to this miserable person!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 January 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

What is 'Shitposting'

― flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 19:52 (eight years ago)

it's a metaphor

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

This needs a parallel thread that covers online usage exclusively. Why is "impact" as a verb such a problem, while "Spotify" as a verb is okay?

― clemenza, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 01:50 (eight years ago)

What is 'Shitposting'

The collected works of Morbius, basically

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 01:57 (eight years ago)

xp software lends itself naturally to verb conversion because it's something you use to do other things so "can you please use spotify to play vampire weekend" is more intelligible and brief as "can you please spotify vampire weekend." "can you use google to search for pictures of naked mole rats" "can you google naked mole rates." in general actually i think this thread is wrong bc the only criteria for whether a word is good is whether it's a. intelligible & b. terser. i understand there are aesthetic objections (tho aesthetically speaking brevity is the soul of etc) and also sometimes these things represent bad thinking but I can't think of good ideological reasons to oppose "impact" as a verb. "I am going to have an impact on this project," as "i am going to impact this project," maybe you don't like using impact to mean having a strong effect on something but once you accept that definition (I'm not dragging out my OES) who cares if it's a verb now?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:17 (eight years ago)

oh we lost that battle years ago

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:19 (eight years ago)

my theory: people didn't know whether to use "affect" or "effect" the same way you hear "John and myself went to a movie" (i.e. the speaker doesn't know whether to use subjective or objective case).

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:20 (eight years ago)

if anything using it as a noun tends towards passive verbs and using it as a verb is instantly active = maybe that's the objection? it's a sneaky end-around strunk/white?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:21 (eight years ago)

I have a bigger problem with "impactful."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:24 (eight years ago)

I'm reading Huey Long by T. Harry Williams. It's a well-regarded book and all, but Williams keeps saying things like "Huey Long effected the state's policies...."

He also uses lowercase letters for parish names, as in "Union parish", "Orleans parish", "Jefferson parish", etc. It's annoying.

― pplains, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:27 (eight years ago)

English is very forgiving of shit like that. once my brother played the word "unrewaxed" during a scrabble game and I had to allow it, because of course it's a word, even if it was a word no one had ever used until the moment he laid it on the board.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:28 (eight years ago)

There's also the fact that 'Spotify' seems to be a nominalized verb, albeit a made-up one. If you accept it as a proper name, the verb use seems inevitable.

― jmm, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:29 (eight years ago)

the same way you hear "John and myself went to a movie" (i.e. the speaker doesn't know whether to use subjective or objective case).

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:20 (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this riles the living shit out of me. 'myself' is a reflexive pronoun with one clear purpose that doesn't include being jammed at the beginning of sentences.

― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 02:59 (eight years ago)

Mordy and burrito of ennui OTM because impact.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 10:45 (eight years ago)

THIS

― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:24 (eight years ago)

There's also the fact that 'Spotify' seems to be a nominalized verb, albeit a made-up one. If you accept it as a proper name, the verb use seems inevitable.

lol was gonna say, this is a terrible example

― wins, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:27 (eight years ago)

"Spotify" as a verb doesn't bother me at all. I'd never feel the need to use it myself, but I was referring more to someone getting worked up over "impact" as a verb on the one hand but being okay with "Spotify" on the other. I find in general there are people who are very attentive to one set of rules, but they're okay with every internet cliché and acronym going.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:59 (eight years ago)

otoh "because [blank]" is a perfect example of poor language covering for poor thinking - sure you get to drop an "of," but adding the "of," makes all the difference bc once put into proper grammatical form you start to feel obligated to actually explain why [blank] explains the thing you're discussing whereas leaving it in the 'because [blank]' formulation tonally suggests that you probably shouldn't question me bc it's clearly obvious from my snark what i'm insinuating.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 14:19 (eight years ago)

mordy otm, 'because blank' as ive seen it used is just an appeal to a false first principle assumption and not an actual reason for anything and should result in permaban from everything because reasons

― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 14:28 (eight years ago)

why because she look interesting

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 14:32 (eight years ago)

Agree on 'because' disagree on 'impact', which makes me hurl.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 14:34 (eight years ago)

I thought that "because reasons" was compelling when it was fresh, but currently risks being dulled by overuse. Note that I am referring here not to any old usage of the "because ___" formulation, rather specifically "because reasons."

Its best use was always to mock someone who holds a position that they believe they arrived at by the cold light of pure rational thought, but is actually just a tribal emotional cudgel.

Government spending is inherently wasteful except for defense spending, because reasons. The Constitution is sacred except for the First Amendment, because reasons. Government spending is theft except for my Social Security, because reasons. Black people shouldn't get welfare but corporations should, because reasons. The phrase concisely indicates the empty space where the speaker's reasons ought to be. It simultaneously establishes (a) that he believes he doesn't need to support his view, and also (b) that he doesn't really have any good reasons.

The old way to write this was to try to typographically indicate that the speaker was apocopating or stammering or spluttering or trying to misdirect, or something. "Government spending is theft except for my Social Security because, uh, um, LOOK OVER THERE! [ducks, runs away]." Not only are those less concise than "because reasons," they say a different thing. They indicate that the speaker believes it to be a mark of shame that he can't defend his position.

That's pre-Trump thinking. Nowadays, people who hold wrong and/or repugnant opinions aren't embarrassed. They just hold them out for the world to see, loud and proud, GET A BRAIN MORANS GO USA.

On that note I might also accept other satirical uses like "because freedom," which has a similar rhetorical purpose: "We needed to invade that country and kill all its people because freedom!"

― Urine Andropov (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)

That's pre-Trump thinking. Nowadays, people who hold wrong and/or repugnant opinions aren't embarrassed.

"Because reasons" replaced by "Because fuck you"

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:30 (eight years ago)

granted it is a particularly pithy way of glibly strawmanning. pithier to stfu though.

― ogmor, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)

"Because fuck you" works as well, as its use is satirical, again highlighting that the putative speaker doesn't have an explanation and doesn't believe he needs one.

Using the "because ____" formulation in a nonsatirical ways, like "Trump won because racism," is different. And, in my view, unnecessary, because racism is a real and justifiable reason. It doesn't need the catachresis or the cutesy usage, and it in fact detracts a bit from the impact of an actual, well-supported statement.

One could use it in a gently self-mocking way too, I guess, like "I am eating bacon right now and therefore my day is better than yours because bacon."

― Urine Andropov (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

that is a really long-winded way to say "i am eating bacon"

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:41 (eight years ago)

A locution most often heard on political talk shows: prefacing statements with "The question is..." – an unsubtle way of hiding an opinion

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:42 (eight years ago)

insisting that rationality is a precondition for being taken seriously and included in the conversation doesn't sit that well with the old trick of parroting a caricature of someone's views back to them in a funny voice imo

― ogmor, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:46 (eight years ago)

"so important"

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 23:25 (eight years ago)

all intensifiers are terrible

― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

Its best use was always to mock someone who holds a position that they believe they arrived at by the cold light of pure rational thought, but is actually just a tribal emotional cudgel.

also this is the problem; instead of being forced to contend w/ whatever [odious] thinking underlines the sentiment being mocked (and surely there's something beyond just a tribal emotional cudgel - people always consider their own positions reasonable & well justified) it just hand waves it away. it fails to comprehend the position it's critiquing and fails to represent its own position so it functions entirely as content-free snark. this is why btw it is at risk of being overused (and in fact was overused the day it began). since it can only function as an idiomatic snipe it became cliche immediately.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 23:36 (eight years ago)

post-truth era

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

all intensifiers are terrible

first, "so" alone is not a legitimate intensifier; it is a stranded fragment from a "so X that Y is true" statement that stupidly drops everything after the X.

second, Twain wrote that every time he was tempted to use the word "very", he substituted the word "damned", so that his editor would be sure to remove it.

p.s. "altogether" is not altogether bad as an intensifier. it has a quaintness the others lack.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

"Important" kinda gets overused right now.

― billstevejim, Monday, 23 January 2017 19:24 (eight years ago)

what is 'Shitposting'

i think i already posted this itt

but still

― flappy bird, Monday, 23 January 2017 19:35 (eight years ago)

"carte blanche" when used in the workplace (elsewhere I'm not bothered by it)

― Neanderthal, Monday, 23 January 2017 19:37 (eight years ago)

Answered:

What is 'Shitposting'

― flappy bird, Monday, January 16, 2017 11:52 AM

it's a metaphor

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, January 16, 2017 11:53 AM

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

where did it come from & how did it become so ubiquitous so quickly

― flappy bird, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:10 (eight years ago)

ilx first mention:

frogbs wrote this on thread Clusterfuck Summary Corner on board I Love Everything on Apr 7, 2011

dude if shitposting was a bannable offense like 95% of this forum would be gone

― how's life, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:10 (eight years ago)

Presuming it came from reddit or 4chan.

― how's life, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

how did it become so ubiquitous so quickly

he who smelt it dealt it

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

'we the people'

gift as a verb

― mookieproof, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)

any attempt at shortening the word "sandwich"

― qualx, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 06:23 (eight years ago)

sammich
sammie
sandie
i literally saw "wiches" recently

― qualx, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 06:24 (eight years ago)

dane cook's best bit was saying 'chicken sangwich'

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 06:42 (eight years ago)

sarnie
ˈsɑːniː/
nounBritishinformal
noun: sarnie; plural noun: sarnies

a sandwich.

― Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 06:49 (eight years ago)

hate that too

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 08:20 (eight years ago)

butties for all

― ogmor, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:06 (eight years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/learning/what_can_you_learn_from_the_jeely_piece_song.shtml

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:32 (eight years ago)

Which Wich is a franchise

http://www.whichwich.com

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 15:03 (eight years ago)

woke

oh cool everyone else is asleep solid rhetorical base give yourself another congratulation en route to wherever the fuck youre headed hi five fuck off

― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 23:59 (eight years ago)

like i know its been done itt but ppl still using it so

― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:01 (eight years ago)

I thought people only used "woke" to make fun of people? Like "sjw" tends to be.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:20 (eight years ago)

Like "sjw" tends to be.

how on earth did "you're nice to other people" became an insult

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:43 (eight years ago)

*become

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:43 (eight years ago)

But the stereotype of an sjw is that they're not nice to lots of people. As far as I know the term originated in left wing places as an insult before the right wrapped their arms and legs around it.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:51 (eight years ago)

ah okay

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:52 (eight years ago)

regardless it seems a bit of reach as epithets go, just like most of the derisive labels the alt right thinks are offensive

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:53 (eight years ago)

Answered:

What is 'Shitposting'

― flappy bird, Monday, January 16, 2017 11:52 AM

it's a metaphor

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, January 16, 2017 11:53 AM

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, January 23, 2017 2:06 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/4i0FW9o.jpg

― pplains, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:45 (eight years ago)

Referring to an attractive woman as a "smoke show".

I guess it would probably grate on me to see a man described that way too, but that has yet to happen.

― JRN, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 22:57 (eight years ago)

what are the best ways to tell someone a particular person is sexy. is "sexy" the best? i see "hot," and "gorgeous" pretty frequently. "knockout" less often and i don't think i've ever heard someone irl use "sex bomb" or "bombshell" which urbandictionary def for "smoke show" #4 compare the idiom to. as far as these things go i kinda like "smoke show" which i also don't think i've ever heard before bc it seems maybe suggestive of something noirish - like maybe the way sam spade would describe an untrustworthy dame to the reader.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 23:12 (eight years ago)

A word used to describe a sereously hot girl (must not be overused and abused on medeocarly hot woman!)

― Number None, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 23:18 (eight years ago)

2154 posts and nobody's put forward "butthurt"

I felt slightly disgusted with myself for even typing it just now.

― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

yeesh

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 23:33 (eight years ago)

what are the best ways to tell someone a particular person is sexy. is "sexy" the best? i see "hot," and "gorgeous" pretty frequently.

"Fuck me, handsome."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 23:48 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AusdlWwuz0

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 23:57 (eight years ago)

we have whole threads on butthurt tbf

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 00:30 (eight years ago)

Names of farts by their sensation doesnt dmac

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 00:52 (eight years ago)

Count*

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 00:52 (eight years ago)

'butthurt' feels like a homophobic slur, even if it isn't. 'bag of dicks' and 'cockfarmer' are fun to dispense because i can't see anything homophobic about carrying dicks in a bag and/or planting them in a field.

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 00:57 (eight years ago)

guys

i know youve had a tough few months but listen

you have got to, really got to, stop saying leader of the free world

you have to. it was kinda shit before but it doesn't even wash as ironic now.

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)

what are the best ways to tell someone a particular person is sexy. is "sexy" the best? i see "hot," and "gorgeous" pretty frequently.

"total babe" works for any gender imo

― marcos, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:49 (eight years ago)

best not to mention it at all imo but if you must

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:55 (eight years ago)

"lovely" a la fr ted

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:56 (eight years ago)

xp i almost included a sarcastic disclaimer that commenting or even thinking about anyone's attractiveness is objectifying and should never be done but i thought it was too on the nose oops

― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:32 (eight years ago)

idk, everyone's thoughts are their own
it's the words that bring the thoughts into the open that might get you into trouble/chafe

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:13 (eight years ago)

I just walk up to people and hold my nose and go "...damn"

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:18 (eight years ago)

Always thought it odd when people describe other people as a "brick shithouse" when complimenting their body. I think it's American but I'm not sure. It seems to have been around for decades. It just sounds awful.

When Christina Aguilera was on a Scottish MTV thing she said someone complimented her as a "radge wee midden". Never heard "midden" as a compliment before because it's a pile for farm animal shit.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:31 (eight years ago)

shithouse id have put as british isles m8

you didnt manage to connect scotch midden pronunciation to maiden?

srsly?

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:37 (eight years ago)

ya i said scotch

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:37 (eight years ago)

i've never heard the term "brick shithouse" before tho obv "brick house" don't know why ppl thought it was missing the word "shit" in the idiom

― Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:42 (eight years ago)

shithouse is smaller

building a shithouse out of brick means that you get a particularly solid structure as opposed to building a house from brick which is quite the norm and therefore pointless as a comment on someones extraordinary build.

anything ele?

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:45 (eight years ago)

feel like if u build a shithouse out of brick that suggests you're using the shit as a replacement for mortar or maybe even the concrete foundation and obv this is a terrible terrible idea

― Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:48 (eight years ago)

Midden=maiden doesn't sound right and I can't imagine anyone using it. Can't find anything from a search of the two.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:50 (eight years ago)

yeah but you are accepting xtinas recollection, attempt at recreation and transcribing of a word a scotch person, yes scotch, said to her a while back cmon

mordy i already explained to u the shithouse its clear that you would be deliberately trying to misunderstand were you to follow the tiresome path to the assumption of actual bricks of shit.

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:55 (eight years ago)

Radge wee maiden? I dunno. The guy might just be calling her dirty (which was a listed usage of midden), like the song she did.

Don't know why some people are bothered by "scotch".

Shithouse still sounds like a terrible compliment.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:01 (eight years ago)

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2458/how-did-the-phrase-built-like-a-brick-shithouse-get-to-be-a-compliment

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:04 (eight years ago)

She's a brick shithouse,

She's midden, midden...

― pplains, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:16 (eight years ago)

Thanks Neanderthal.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:22 (eight years ago)

from the right angle she kinda does look like a shat house tho

also highly contextual but you dont tell a woman shes sexy, you do it with your look while saying hi or well well well and do the thing with yer eyes

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:14 (eight years ago)

context dependent probs a better way to put it

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:16 (eight years ago)

please note the original question:

"what are the best ways to tell someone a particular person is sexy."

not what is the best way to tell someone that THEY are sexy

― Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2017 03:14 (eight years ago)

WTF I have never heard "built like a brick shithouse" used as a compliment to a woman!? Its always been a comment for a man who is really solid/cut.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2017 03:17 (eight years ago)

srsly I've never heard that used for a woman, which is what i found weird about that article I posted

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 2 February 2017 03:19 (eight years ago)

I'd only heard it about women until recently.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 February 2017 03:26 (eight years ago)

I updated my list with a couple of entries from this list, a couple of which I've heard, disturbingly, in the last few days.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 February 2017 03:35 (eight years ago)

Oh good lookin out mords

Rly dont get what the problem with sexy is then

seems p irreplaceable

Other options seem worse

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 2 February 2017 06:30 (eight years ago)

you have got to, really got to, stop saying leader of the free world

^^^otm

Brick shithouse is an Australian term, but you'd never use it for a woman, unless you were trying to be incredibly insulting

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 2 February 2017 07:46 (eight years ago)

yeah its fellas only

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 February 2017 08:14 (eight years ago)

It's weird, I am built like a shit brick house

― Benylin Ascent (NickB), Thursday, 2 February 2017 08:32 (eight years ago)

just to clarify, the house is made for shitting in and the bricks are made of brick

― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 2 February 2017 09:19 (eight years ago)

I'm not sure if its an Aussie thing exclusively? Given for eg the Placebo song.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:20 (eight years ago)

I thought it was British tbh.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:24 (eight years ago)

Have outside toilets ever been a thing in Australia (or the US, for that matter)?

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:25 (eight years ago)

i think part of the problem is that you rarely see shithouses with unrealistically huge cartoon tits

― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:29 (eight years ago)

gazza

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:29 (eight years ago)

More like Raoul Moat surely.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:31 (eight years ago)

bushes are for #1
trees for #2

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:32 (eight years ago)

Have outside toilets ever been a thing in Australia

LOL hecks yes. Freestanding outside pit toilets (we used to have one at our beach house), and in older homes even now you might find a toilet tacked to the back of a house only accesible from outside.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)

Ah, just like the Mother Country.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:43 (eight years ago)

Aye.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:45 (eight years ago)

i think part of the problem is that you rarely see shithouses with unrealistically huge cartoon tits

― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 February 2017 23:29

Or any human features.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:17 (eight years ago)

i've heard "built like a brick shithouse" plenty of times irt a babe. i figured it was an elongated version of "built like a brickhouse"

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 3 February 2017 00:23 (eight years ago)

I seen it all the time referring to large attractive women. Sometimes the guys would start by explaining "this doesn't sound like a compliment but it is".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:29 (eight years ago)

have never heard it in anything like that context it simply is an incorrect usage tbh

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Friday, 3 February 2017 00:32 (eight years ago)

Sometimes the guys would start by explaining "this doesn't sound like a compliment but it is".

that should tip them off that what they're about to say is not quite right xp

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:33 (eight years ago)

Gents, the central emphasis is on the term "built", which often stood alone in past times to denote a statuesque figure, as in "this dame was really built". As often happens, this raised the implied question "how built is she?", a sequence of thought often exploited by Johnny Carson in his monologues.

The answer to this question was open to improvisation, but eventually "like a brick shithouse" became popular, not because of it called to mind the figure of a woman, but based upon an appreciation of its playfulness and profanity. One must admit that an outhouse (the politer term for use in mixed company) built of brick would certainly be, as a structural engineer might put it, over-built for its humble purpose. The fact that it directly plays against the idea of beauty or attractiveness is an example of oxymoronic wit.

I hope this exegesis upon the phrase proves helpful in understanding its origins and purpose.

btw, I heard this phrase often spoken when I was a young man in Oregon in the 1960s and 70s.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 3 February 2017 00:33 (eight years ago)

"this might not sound like a compliment but you, young lady, are the approximate shape and robustness of an outdoor toilet"

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:34 (eight years ago)

lol i can't imagine saying it to anyone's face as a pickup line. locker room talk, yeah

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 3 February 2017 00:35 (eight years ago)

"do you flush here often?"

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:36 (eight years ago)

built like a shit locker room

― Mother Teresa May I (darraghmac), Friday, 3 February 2017 00:37 (eight years ago)

"you have the deportment of a substandard changing facility"

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:38 (eight years ago)

Noticing truly annoying people who call the outdoor surface generally known as 'the ground', 'the floor'.

― jane burkini (suzy), Friday, 3 February 2017 00:43 (eight years ago)

i refuse to believe that anyone has ever said the phrase "brick shithouse" irl

― marcos, Friday, 3 February 2017 02:24 (eight years ago)

believe it! my dad, my dad's friends, etc ... i've even said it once or twice

slang descriptors are v freeing

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 02:33 (eight years ago)

https://books.google.com.au/books/content?id=v8YuGCn9eIkC&pg=PA102&img=1&pgis=1&dq=shithouse&sig=ACfU3U3SAiPvo0ZQiMfcxEyCjouGx0VXLQ&edge=0

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 3 February 2017 02:38 (eight years ago)

Have outside toilets ever been a thing in Australia (or the US, for that matter)?

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep my toilet sat on the front porch. rippin' grumpies as neighbors drove by wrinkling their nose

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 02:55 (eight years ago)

Noticing truly annoying people who call the outdoor surface generally known as 'the ground', 'the floor'.

Yeah, what's up with this? It's like a metaphysical error.

― jmm, Friday, 3 February 2017 02:58 (eight years ago)

I can assure you that outhouses were extremely common in the USA in rural areas even into the 20th century. So were chamber pots.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 3 February 2017 03:03 (eight years ago)

dad still says things like "flat as a shit-carter's hat" and "ugly as a hatful of arseholes"

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 03:03 (eight years ago)

our friends still had an outhouse in the mid 80's, it was creepy as fuck

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 03:04 (eight years ago)

did you fall down the hole

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 03:08 (eight years ago)

"flat as a shit-carter's hat"

hats are only worn by carters who are shit

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 03:21 (eight years ago)

it's how you tell

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 03:21 (eight years ago)

i used to think it was shit cutter & had no idea wtf he was on about

learned from a friend that shit carter = night soil man who took away the poo before sewer systems.
he had a flat hat & balanced the can of poo on his head

the more you know 💫

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 04:13 (eight years ago)

sorry for derail

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 04:13 (eight years ago)

Shit Carter = the building in Poo Jack City iirc

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:15 (eight years ago)

he had a flat hat & balanced the can of poo on his head

and i thought i was having a bad month

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:23 (eight years ago)

it's good for identification though, if the shit carters are the ones with shit on their heads

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:24 (eight years ago)

no thats why you have a HAT

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 04:30 (eight years ago)

made of shit

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:31 (eight years ago)

no that shit is carted PAY ATTENTION

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 04:32 (eight years ago)

wait who carts it

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:35 (eight years ago)

shit
-----
hat
-----
carter

got it

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:57 (eight years ago)

if google image search is a reliable source:

shit
-----
hat
-----
helena bonham-carter

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 04:59 (eight years ago)

...

no wonder everyone left ilx

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 05:01 (eight years ago)

it's brought me back tbh

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 05:03 (eight years ago)

lol

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 05:05 (eight years ago)

anyway it's clearly beyonce

HAY MISS SHIT HAT CARTER

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 05:06 (eight years ago)

puts Lemonade in a new context

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 05:09 (eight years ago)

anyway it's clearly beyonce

we got different shit hat results

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 05:28 (eight years ago)

yr busted ass still using alta vista?

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 05:39 (eight years ago)

yes i used the altavista version of google

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 3 February 2017 05:52 (eight years ago)

I'm fairly certain it isn't Australian, most of the reference works that come up on a Google book search suggest American in origin & that the complimentary meaning, directed at a woman, is most common

which is not at all my experience here in uk - I have only ever heard my granny say a woman was "built like a brick shithoose" and that was meant to signify "would have beaten me in a fight"

― wins, Friday, 3 February 2017 07:59 (eight years ago)

Aimless has the right of it: "built like a brick shithouse" simply means "very built." Built, that is, to the same degree that an extremely-built thing is built. What is more built than an extremely sturdy structure? Nothing. None builder. There is none more built. It also carries a message of reliability and substance and strength: She is mighty mighty.

It doesn't mean that she is rectangular or that you use her as a bathroom. Geez.

The song, I always believed, referenced the idiom but left out the "shit" for politeness and radio airplay, allowing the instrumental pause to stand in its place.

Plenty of idiomatic expressions don't make actual sense but they carry meaning in similar metaphorical ways, and are used as intensifiers even when nonsensical. Compare "___ as hell" or "___ as fuck."

Cold as hell and hot as hell make equal sense - not because the speaker knows or cares about the temperature of hell, but because ___ as hell means extremely ____. Lame as fuck, boring as fuck, etc.

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2017 14:20 (eight years ago)

But it's still got "shit" in it, and a reference to a place where you shit. Just not a very nice sounding compliment. There must be other well built things that would be preferable.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 February 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

Unfortunately that's not how idioms work

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 3 February 2017 15:23 (eight years ago)

what the shit is going on here

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 3 February 2017 19:01 (eight years ago)

Built like a brick savings-and-loan building

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

You remember what it was like, living in one of Mr. Potter's shithouses!

― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Friday, 3 February 2017 20:48 (eight years ago)

I watched that for the first time in my life two days ago

― kinder, Friday, 3 February 2017 22:49 (eight years ago)

merry christmas shithouse

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 February 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)

the logs, the fire, fill me with desire

― Neanderthal, Friday, 3 February 2017 22:57 (eight years ago)

can I put in for "not to be that guy, but..."?

That needs to stop

― Wimmels, Sunday, 5 February 2017 20:12 (eight years ago)

"Cheeto Jesus"

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 5 February 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

Just saw "trial balloon" for only the second time in recent memory and I'd already like to see it banished

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:57 (eight years ago)

fire a rocket at the trial balloon

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:17 (eight years ago)

Shes built like a steakhouse but she handles like a bistro!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B54E30hIAAIQJG3.jpg

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 05:08 (eight years ago)

"at a high rate of speed."

This phrase rates as one of the ones that uses a larger number of extra words - by which I mean, more words than it needs - to say the thing that it is trying to say.

It's for when "fast," "quickly," and "high-speed" are too concise.

It smacks of the artificial language of police reports, which has leaked into civilian use. "We observed an individual who was engaged in an altercation with another individual. We approached the gentleman, who initially eluded us. We pursued the gentleman on foot through an egress and into an alleyway, at a high rate of speed. We were later able to apprehend the individual." Etc.

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:57 (eight years ago)

loool

― marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)

altercation is a hilarious word

― marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:00 (eight years ago)

I hate the name of the animal species 'Kinkajou'.

― how's life, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:01 (eight years ago)

Yeah but "Too Shy" was a jam, admit it.

― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:04 (eight years ago)

Speaking of police verbiage, I hate the use of "suspect" when it refers to someone obviously doing something.

"We interrupted and restrained the suspect as he was knifing the deceased victim."

You now hear witnesses in TV news clips use that phrasing.

― Josefa, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:09 (eight years ago)

"The alleged perpetrator appeared to be engaged in a knifing-related incident."

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

I suspect that is for legal reasons

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

altercation is a hilarious word

― marcos, Tuesday, February 7, 2017

ugh I hate it too

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:13 (eight years ago)

what's worse is when journalists repeat it. It's like, "No, dude – you don't get to repeat ridiculous police jargon; it's your job to translate it."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:13 (eight years ago)

Thoroughfare

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:15 (eight years ago)

I feel like police reports should get Blackadder treatment.

"The suspect then contaminated a pedestrian passageway with unsanitary solid matter, creating an undesirable environment for civilians trying to negotiate the crosswalk."

'Are you saying he shat in the middle of the street?'

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

I don't like the fake neutrality of 'altercation'. It makes it sound like all of the parties were equally responsible for whatever happened.

― jmm, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

maybe replace it with "donnybrook"

― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:22 (eight years ago)

"The victim then shouted 'Gardyloo!' before emptying the contents of a bucket of slop out of his window. The slop accelerated until it came to rest upon the suspect's head. The suspect became quite agitated and began issuing a strongly worded challenge to the victim. The victim chortled, and insinuated he had inappropraite relations with the suspect's spouse and began to describe her genitalia in language inappropriate for these proceedings. That, Your Honor, is when the suspect reached for his revolver..."

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:31 (eight years ago)

i hate it when a new restaurant is referred to as a "concept", like "so and so's new seafood centric concept." i hate only slightly less references to a cocktail "program."

― nomar, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:04 (eight years ago)

I prefer cocktail regimes

― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

I prefer conceptual restaurants, like where you order the food but aren't allowed to eat it.

― pplains, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:41 (eight years ago)

"so, so _________" (which i have seen exclusively online)

no need for so x2
why the comma?
cmon

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

^so, so much this

― nomar, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

there is always a comma too
i'm kind of obsessed about how these things spread -- who is the person using this to such effect that so, so many people are adopting it? does it signify something? so, so unnecessary

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:15 (eight years ago)

phrases and things, it's fascinating how viral they become. i think i noticed it more in this past year. maybe especially in relation to the election season. which is why when Hillary used the word "deplorables" i think i felt a cold chill.

― nomar, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:19 (eight years ago)

Can we blame Trump for this one, perhaps?

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:20 (eight years ago)

xp - language has always been like that, but the speed of proliferation is much faster. i am also obsessed with the various usages of "don't @ me" but that's another story. it's not annoying but it does interest me.

i doubt so, so has to do with him. trump has definitely ruined exclamation points, the word "sad", and message final exclamations. Wrong!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:21 (eight years ago)

speaking of deplorables, recently my parents went to a wake and the people hosting it introduced themselves to my parents and said "we're deplorables!"
whoa

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

jeez...

i think my aunt changed her twitter name to include "deplorable". otm, tbh.

i've yet to hear the word "cuck" IRL.

― nomar, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)

using the word "practice" to make yourself sound rigorous and academic. i.e. instead of art "artistic practice" or instead of theatre "theatre practice"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:37 (eight years ago)

theater practice is what we had after school on tuesdays + thursdays in sixth grade to get ready for the year end performance

― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:43 (eight years ago)

"what i want to examine is the dialectics of actual soccer practice"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:11 (eight years ago)

pretty sure that's "soccer praxis"

― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

i hate in top chef & fancy cooking shows the way they repeatedly use "a little bit of" describe how their dishes are composed

"we have seared duck liver with a little bit of lime, a little bit of smoked sea salt, a little bit of sea urchin etc etc etc"

we can *see* that you didnt use a truckload of each of these things! quit modifying it all so incessantly

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 February 2017 00:52 (eight years ago)

Or "simply!"

"Simply sous vide the cut for 12 hours, removing it from the bag every hour and a half to re-season it."

"Simply make a chiffonade of all of the different vegetables and roast them, turning them every 5 minutes until they are evenly golden-brown."

― DJI, Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:06 (eight years ago)

i will have a little bit of duck liver with gobs of lime, oodles of sea salt, and a butt-ton of sea urchin, please

― assawoman bay (harbl), Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:07 (eight years ago)

Wish they'd say "an immoderate handful of" from time to time like normal ppl

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:09 (eight years ago)

today through the magic of twitter dot com i became aware of george takei using the word 'butthurt'

― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:17 (eight years ago)

I am into ''practice'' where it has some relation to the ''practice of everyday life'' - recognizing that your job/calling/duty/ethics are not static things, but made up of countless little actions and choices, is super important to me. Also implies getting better at something, working towards something, trying an approach through doing... idk I think it's okay.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:48 (eight years ago)

"activist judges", mostly cos it aggravates me that people still think SCOTUS randomly seeks out cases outside of its purview and creates new laws in a fluid motion

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:59 (eight years ago)

My cooking-show pet peeve is the invariable formula "I've made for you" in presenting dishes to judges. This is so prevalent on Chopped (and its spinoffs) that I wonder if it's contractually required.

Contestant 1: "Chefs, today I have made for you a toe jam remoulade with a crisped snakeskin tartlet, garnished with some wild phlox berries."

Contestant 2: "What I have prepared for you today is a gumball goulash with a garlic gastrique, served on a bed of jalapeno polenta."

Contestant 3: "Judges, I've made for you some persimmon fritters dipped in balsamic reduction with flash-fried nose hairs on top. It's my playful take on an authentic Albanian flrzigribl."

Contestant 4: "Chefs, what I've made for you today is..." DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 February 2017 03:34 (eight years ago)

Overuse of "curate". You don't run a museum, you just made a spotify playlist.

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 February 2017 09:36 (eight years ago)

DJI - instruction manuals do this too. Sometimes subbing in the word "just":

"Just create a bootable installer and follow the instructions that appear on the screen."

No no that's fine it's not like these are the INSTRUCTIONS that ought to be taking me through the process step by step instead of telling me how goddamn SIMPLE everything is well guess what if it was so SIMPLE I WOULDN'T BE READING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU COCKFARMER

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 February 2017 09:46 (eight years ago)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYPp9w-0Uk

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:33 (eight years ago)

Feeling Tracer Hand on this 100%.

I was thinking about VG when I was making dinner tonight and telling a story in my head about how I would present it on a cooking show to a panel of chef judges. It went something like "today I've prepared for you a 'Game Day' soup, which "reconstructs" chicken, carrots, and celery in a cream soup with blue cheese and Buffalo seasonings, served with diced "French Fry" potatoes and crispy duck skin."

I actually prepared this and it is good, but it sounds way more fancy with the mandated cooking show lingo.The contestants must be coached/forced/edited to use that formula.

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:49 (eight years ago)

"prepared"

― DJI, Friday, 10 February 2017 00:11 (eight years ago)

thank u quincie for not using "a little bit of" any of those things

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:04 (eight years ago)

soup sounds dope as hell btw

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:05 (eight years ago)

oh god yes

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:09 (eight years ago)

Somewhere there's a passage from the middlebrow yet genial Bill Bryson that parodies that flowery culinary language; lemme find it:

I had, and I quote, 'Fanned Galia Melon and Cumbrian Air Dried Ham served with a Mixed leaf Salad' followed by 'Fillet Steak served with a crushed Black Peppercorn Sauce flamed in Brandy and finished with Cream' .... I was greatly taken with this new way of talking and derived considerable pleasure from speaking it to the waiter. I asked him for a lustre of water freshly drawn from the house tap and presented au nature in a cylinder of glass, and when he came round with the bread rolls I entreated him to present me a tonged rondel of blanched wheat oven baked and masked in a poppy-seed coating. I was just getting warmed up to this and about to ask for a fanned lap coverlet, freshly laundered and scented with a delicate hint of Omo, to replace the one that had slipped from my lap and now lay recumbent on the horizontal walking surface anterior to my feet...

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:24 (eight years ago)

lol

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:35 (eight years ago)

<3 Bill Bryson I think of Notes from a Small Island all the time re British place names: "They live in Barking and Dorking and Shellow Bowels!"

― the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Friday, 10 February 2017 03:56 (eight years ago)

This post brought to you by me watching a show called like "Animal SOS" about vets rescuing foxen and badgers and other English countryside animals and referring to a place called "Woking" which it turns out is not far from Dorking after all.

― the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Friday, 10 February 2017 04:01 (eight years ago)

British Isles town names (eg. Twatt in Scotland, Studland down south) are great LOL. Alien.

― jane burkini (suzy), Friday, 10 February 2017 07:11 (eight years ago)

heddington fosley
wilming-on-sea
snibbinghamshire
cuxforth dale
east glesforth
hostencester (pron. hoster)
minceworth
twabbingwood
charking

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 10 February 2017 09:40 (eight years ago)

(they don't annoy me, just contributing)

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 10 February 2017 09:41 (eight years ago)

Scunthorpe ftw

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 10 February 2017 13:12 (eight years ago)

Used to work with a guy from a Scunthorpe. A Scunny man, as Peter Cook would have said.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2017 14:18 (eight years ago)

Don't ignore the good folk of Penistone.

― For bodies we are ready to build pyramids (wtev), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

What's their demonym?

(Like Mancunian, Cantabrigian, Liverpudlian, or - my favorite - Crested Beautician for residents of Crested Butte)

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)

Gotta be Penistoners.

― jane burkini (suzy), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:56 (eight years ago)

any attempt at shortening the word "sandwich"

― qualx, Tuesday, January 24, 2017 1:23 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sammich
sammie
sandie
i literally saw "wiches" recently

― qualx, Tuesday, January 24, 2017 1:24 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

update

"sando", from an institution apparently "Known for their #baconslut sandwich & a customer favorite PB&J"

― qualx, Saturday, 11 February 2017 22:12 (eight years ago)

sando is the worst, might as well call it a bro-wich

― nomar, Saturday, 11 February 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)

Sandos for randos

― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:56 (eight years ago)

"Tonight Beyonce Ended Music"

― billstevejim, Monday, 13 February 2017 08:22 (eight years ago)

almost as bad as "[Celeb X] Won Halloween"

― billstevejim, Monday, 13 February 2017 08:22 (eight years ago)

(x) just (y) and it was (z)

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2017 08:35 (eight years ago)

http://www.englishcountrywalks.com/blog/walks/5/190507/11-fingringhoe.jpg

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 13 February 2017 09:43 (eight years ago)

"Tonight Beyonce Ended Music"

― billstevejim, Monday, February 13, 2017 3:22 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What a terrible sentiment.

― how's life, Monday, 13 February 2017 11:48 (eight years ago)

Ended music 58 years to the month that it originally died.

― pplains, Monday, 13 February 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

It just means she ended some music. She ended a song.

― jmm, Monday, 13 February 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

Beyonce invented ending things. Before then stuff just went on and on and it all got pretty tedious.

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 13 February 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)

Music was fun while it lasted.

― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 February 2017 16:16 (eight years ago)

getting so fucking sick of "fake news"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 06:33 (eight years ago)

Re cooking lingo above, some of it really gets on my nerves.
I noted one ina book the other day that called for "a scant 2L of stock"

OK so is it 2L of stock, or less? Or heckwhocares?

Its like Jamie and his glugs and slugs and sloshes of every fucking thing.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:31 (eight years ago)

a scant 2L of stock is 2 QT of stock irl

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:57 (eight years ago)

Fie on your quarts!

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 05:00 (eight years ago)

so then, I expect you'll be wanting to use ~1890 ml for this recipe

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 05:04 (eight years ago)

i'm tired of seeing "GASLIGHTING - the word you need to understand to survive 2017"

― marcos, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:27 (eight years ago)

Political gaslighting is different, though: it's about dismissing people as 'not real' in the service of trying to flesh out some bullshit about 'real people'.

― jane burkini (suzy), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:36 (eight years ago)

'A feature, not a bug' has been grating with me recently.

― least virile man on the list (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)

I feel like this isn't the proper thread to report that I hate the handclap emoji.

― billstevejim, Friday, 17 February 2017 05:55 (eight years ago)

'And so it begins'

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 17 February 2017 15:37 (eight years ago)

I saw this for the first time on Monday. I saw it for a second time today. I'm afraid for how many more times I'll hear it again.

"boy mom"

― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:37 (eight years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/pyn6X98.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YydzZFO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PmFDBBY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cKEviQM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YQnMNCF.jpg

― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:42 (eight years ago)

Search for "girl dad" reveals a mugshot, some abortion memes, two photos of Peter Gallagher for some reason, and this:

http://i.imgur.com/I5dFGOP.jpg

― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:45 (eight years ago)

Blech to all of that!

― DJI, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:47 (eight years ago)

i'm the drummer from boy dad

― assawoman bay (harbl), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:00 (eight years ago)

boy mum wtf

Also: binky

― kinder, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:24 (eight years ago)

"full-throated"

― In a separate owl (doo dah), Thursday, 23 February 2017 12:27 (eight years ago)

all cutesy-lazy-portmanteu journalistic crap like 'Brexit' and "Hiddleswift' and so on

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 24 February 2017 04:47 (eight years ago)

"Taylor Swexits Social Media After Kimye ELindaTrip-P her!"

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 24 February 2017 15:01 (eight years ago)

"melts down", as it's now being used as a pejorative term to describe anybody who gets upset on camera, regardless of the magnitude of the reaction or even the validity of it

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)

(x) just (y) and it was (z)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, February 13, 2017 8:35 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 24 February 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

Especially when it gets used by proper newspapers about proper news. The Independent seem to be doing it a lot. It feels like something broadsheets are going to do a lot of and further deepen a gulf (if you can deepen a gulf? de-bridge?)

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 24 February 2017 22:24 (eight years ago)

man this Nazi punching thing has really taken off, where were all these people in the 40s?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 February 2017 00:50 (eight years ago)

Nazi shooting

― The Perks of Being a Wall St R (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 February 2017 00:51 (eight years ago)

brb gonna kick a conquistador in the nuts

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 February 2017 00:51 (eight years ago)

http://unionstreet.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/supermanhitlerpunch.jpg

― pamplemousse of love (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:23 (eight years ago)

"baby bump"

― nomar, Sunday, 26 February 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)

especially when they're being "debuted"

― nomar, Sunday, 26 February 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)

And especially given most of the time they ARENT ONE.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 27 February 2017 05:04 (eight years ago)

Remembered a documentary about romance/love story readers and writers. Some of it focused on the husband of one of the readers. He was quite macho and he stood by his personal bookshelves with his arms folded and said "the male of the species likes to improve himself".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 February 2017 12:58 (eight years ago)

"nom nom"

― wtev, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 21:50 (eight years ago)

cukes

smashed potatoes

― qualx, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:09 (eight years ago)

cukes is awful yeah

― Number None, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:14 (eight years ago)

"ya" instead of "yes."

― DJI, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:22 (eight years ago)

There's a local pub/restaurant with a sandwich called a Cool Hand Cuke

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:24 (eight years ago)

"one in the same"

― estela, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:25 (eight years ago)

"Operating in silos"

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)

What, grain workers or sumthin'?

― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:44 (eight years ago)

doing a disservice

― assawoman bay (harbl), Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:33 (eight years ago)

"No, yeah" in conversation. Or the other way around.

― For bodies we are ready to build pyramids (wtev), Friday, 3 March 2017 07:18 (eight years ago)

food coma / food baby

― davey, Friday, 3 March 2017 10:49 (eight years ago)

Oh just all words terrible things really the tyranny of language eh

― The Perks of Being a Wall St R (darraghmac), Friday, 3 March 2017 12:21 (eight years ago)

don't drag my legit feelings in, this thread is all bollocks afaic

― Sacked Italian Greyhound (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 March 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

"life experience"

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 March 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

"Operating in silos"

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, March 1, 2017 6:42 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost every single presentation i've seen in my field uses the word "silos"

― marcos, Friday, 3 March 2017 15:05 (eight years ago)

"licking his wounds"

― marcos, Friday, 3 March 2017 15:21 (eight years ago)

gross dude

― marcos, Friday, 3 March 2017 15:21 (eight years ago)

I've moved from the bizspeak world to the psychobabble world, and recently caught myself telling some coworkers (after venting about some social work stuff), "thanks for letting me process that!"

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 3 March 2017 22:19 (eight years ago)

ctrl+F - "spitballing" = 0

amazing. anyway, SPITBALLING

― nomar, Friday, 3 March 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

i kind of unashamedly love psychobabble and therapy jargon. i was in therapy for five years and i'm married to a social worker, have a lot of social worker friends

― marcos, Saturday, 4 March 2017 00:40 (eight years ago)

<3 "process"

― marcos, Saturday, 4 March 2017 00:42 (eight years ago)

"thought process"

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 March 2017 01:54 (eight years ago)

"thought process" is ok. it's stupid but unoffensive imo.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:28 (eight years ago)

silo/silo mentality is an old one in corpspeak.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 4 March 2017 06:54 (eight years ago)

"made that ask"

like instead of "I asked them that question", it's "I made that ask". wtf

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 4 March 2017 16:56 (eight years ago)

that sounds a bit clumsy tho "ask" as a noun has been around since the 10th century

― Mordy, Saturday, 4 March 2017 18:19 (eight years ago)

Here’s an OED example in modern English from a Dec. 8, 1781, letter by the scholar Thomas Twining (whose grandfather founded the Twinings tea empire):
“I am not so unreasonable as to desire you to take notice of all the stuff I scribble, or answer all my asks.” (We’ve expanded on the citation.)
And here’s an example from The Laws and Principles of Whist, an 1886 book written by “Cavendish” (the pen name of Henry Jones): “When your three comes down in the next round, it is not an ask for trumps.”

― Mordy, Saturday, 4 March 2017 18:20 (eight years ago)

these seem to be functioning as informal elisions of the more common (but still not very common) 'askings'

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 4 March 2017 18:28 (eight years ago)

i'll use ask in that way. the v popular idiom, from apparently the 80s, is "that's a big ask," which i think i prefer to "that's asking a lot" because of the emphasis it puts on the difficulty of the thing being requested vs. the impudence of the person doing the asking.

― Mordy, Saturday, 4 March 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

It's not really that different, semantically speaking, from "request," which has also had noun and verb forms for centuries.

"I request that you eat my shorts." / "That's a big request."

"I ask that you eat my shorts." / "That's a big ask."

One could simply say that the objection is aesthetic (sounds yucky), and/or cultural (yucky people say it).

For some reason, when people latch onto a usage they don't like, they often say "ZOMG HORRID BIZSPEAK JARGON NEOLOGISM THAT MUST BE STOPPED." They could just say "I don't like this usage, no matter where it came from and no matter how old or young it is."

― may all your memes be dank (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 4 March 2017 20:21 (eight years ago)

"Don't bring me problems - bring me solutions".

mostly cos usually the person who says it is the one that created the problem and this is usually said when someone is merely asking for help with the solution to the problem you just dumped in their lap 5 minutes ago

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 March 2017 21:28 (eight years ago)

also "Today is a gift - that's why they call it the present", which several co-workers used to have as their tag on instant messaging

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 March 2017 21:29 (eight years ago)

Ugh half my colleagues have cod-awful motivational sayings on their Skype profiles. I'm sure its just to look good to the bosses.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 4 March 2017 22:41 (eight years ago)

I have been tempted to change mine to "Eat My Fuc" now that my review is over

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 March 2017 22:52 (eight years ago)

xp uh I mean inoffensive

lol irony

― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 March 2017 18:50 (eight years ago)

referring to people as "humans," as in "s/he's one of my favorite humans." Dunno if this is derived from political correctness (although I can't see the word "people" offending anyone), or is meant to distinguish humans from--I dunno--androids or something, or is just something some excruciatingly precious people have adopted, but whatever the reason, it needs to stop

― Wimmels, Monday, 6 March 2017 15:43 (eight years ago)

I think I used to say "human" on occasion but phased it out when I realized I sounded like a sci-fi character so switched back to person/people.

― billstevejim, Monday, 6 March 2017 16:56 (eight years ago)

i dig 'humans,' i don't say it all the time but certainly there are times when you want something that affirms the, well, humanity of the group in question. whether that's in defiance of political threats or positive recognition of someone's decency or efforts to be good and stay sane. idk. it's not a bad thing, it's not really better or worse than 'people' in most situations but it has its place.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 6 March 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

"individuals"

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 March 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)

Is Del the Funky Homosapien still okay?

― may all your memes be dank (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 6 March 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

Another language thing that doesn't quite fit the title: who smacks their lips before they go to sleep? I've known people to do this meant humorously but who did this before cartoons did?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 6 March 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

shitshow

― “Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Monday, 6 March 2017 17:44 (eight years ago)

thinkpiece

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 March 2017 17:54 (eight years ago)

shitpiece

― qualx, Monday, 6 March 2017 17:56 (eight years ago)

dumpster fire (which I'm sure has already been covered)
hot mess

― Wimmels, Monday, 6 March 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

side hustle, which I heard a reporter awkwardly use on the news the other day re: Uber (clearly mocking the term)

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 March 2017 18:12 (eight years ago)

"Reminder:" followed by something political or #SoImportant

― flappy bird, Monday, 6 March 2017 18:24 (eight years ago)

One that drives me crazy (especially once you start noticing it) is "the fact that." It's become this annoying tic that people use which is completely unnecessary.

― DJI, Monday, 6 March 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

or worse:

"due to the fact that"

I've realized this horror was born of students hearing from elementary and high school teachers that – get this – you can't start sentences with "because" and other conjunctions.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 March 2017 19:01 (eight years ago)

God, yeah, the constant reminders on Twitter. Everyone wants to remind you of something.

― jmm, Monday, 6 March 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

I have so many of these bad habits from high school that work emails require me to re-review them three times to trim the fat

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 March 2017 19:17 (eight years ago)

That and the "assume your audience is stupid" line of teaching i got

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 March 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)

presser

― joygoat, Monday, 6 March 2017 21:13 (eight years ago)

so-called

― Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Monday, 6 March 2017 21:33 (eight years ago)

Lump crabmeat. This sounds like something the crab is worried will show up on its x-rays. If you mean nice crabmeat, just say nice crabmeat.

― “Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Monday, 6 March 2017 21:34 (eight years ago)

crabmeat

― “Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Monday, 6 March 2017 21:34 (eight years ago)

wtf call it meat?

We don't call other stuff codmeat or tilapiameat or lobstermeat.

Also, shellfish is weird.

― Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Monday, 6 March 2017 21:43 (eight years ago)

tuna fish!

― DJI, Monday, 6 March 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)

"Due to the fact that... " pales before the phrases

- as you can see
- as I have indicated
- as I proven
- as should be clear
- in conclusion
- in summary

― rb (soda), Monday, 6 March 2017 21:54 (eight years ago)

Appending -fish or -meat is a necessity with tinned or frozen product, as the provenance of a grayish protein isn't always obvious.

― rb (soda), Monday, 6 March 2017 22:00 (eight years ago)

thread diving deep into lesswrong territory

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 6 March 2017 22:04 (eight years ago)

interesting footnote - meat used to mean food in general and only came to mean animal flesh later on. there's a vestige of the original meaning in sweetmeat which isn't meat at all obv.

― Mordy, Monday, 6 March 2017 22:08 (eight years ago)

soda, ugh, yes. that comes from years of shit teaching in high schools which sadly is used even in Honors level classes.

When I made it into AP English I took forever to succeed because I kept using what they taught me in Honors and the teacher was all like "lol that's bullshit".

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 March 2017 22:36 (eight years ago)

tuna fish!

― DJI, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 08:48 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i never understood this, unless somewhere there's a species of tuna horse

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 6 March 2017 23:06 (eight years ago)

tuna ferret

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 March 2017 23:07 (eight years ago)

you can tune a piano but you can't tuna horsemeat

― “Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Monday, 6 March 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

at long last, the REO Speedwagon / Jim Capaldi supergroup we've all been waiting for

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 6 March 2017 23:40 (eight years ago)

tuna horsemeat overdrive

― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 01:49 (eight years ago)

I also hate "boss", like when people say "what's up, boss?" or "what can I get for ya, boss?"

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 01:52 (eight years ago)

LIKE A BOSS
#BOSS
BOSSIN IT

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 07:57 (eight years ago)

Different connotations over here bass

― The Perks of Being a Wall St R (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 08:20 (eight years ago)

LIKE A BOSS is an odd one!

how about 'Your daily reminder that [x]'

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 14:03 (eight years ago)

this is part of the whole serialized "nu-golden age" of TV shit, but i hate "Big Bad" as both a phrase and increasingly as lazy in both idea and execution.

― nomar, Saturday, 11 March 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)

Yeah what's the origin of that

― wins, Saturday, 11 March 2017 20:41 (eight years ago)

Big Bad is a term originally used by the Buffy the Vampire Slayer television series to describe a major recurring adversary, usually the chief villain or antagonist in a particular broadcast season.[1][2] It has since been used to describe annual villains in other television series, and has also been used in scholarly work discussing Buffy the Vampire Slayer.[1][3]

lol shoulda known

― wins, Saturday, 11 March 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)

Buffy innit?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 11 March 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)

i like boss, i picked it up from the turkish shops round here -- they aways call male customers boss

― mark s, Saturday, 11 March 2017 20:48 (eight years ago)

Basic
Extra

― MaresNest, Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:00 (eight years ago)

FREE WILL

― a but (brimstead), Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:02 (eight years ago)

BROWN SAUCE

― a but (brimstead), Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:02 (eight years ago)

brown sauce is lush but it's existence led to the not so lush "red sauce" for tomato ketchup

― snappy baritone (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)

Brown sauce, red sauce, salsa verde, salsa roja all good

― wins, Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:11 (eight years ago)

weak sauce

― mark s, Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

awesome sauce, boss

― wins, Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

i love awesome sauce, i even love ok sauce

― snappy baritone (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:15 (eight years ago)

have never knowingly had A1 sauce, not sure how good that is

― snappy baritone (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 March 2017 21:16 (eight years ago)

mark THAT style of boss i love. it's almost as great as getting called "chief".

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 March 2017 23:44 (eight years ago)

"Big bad" is so annoying but so is lots of Whedony stuff.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 March 2017 00:21 (eight years ago)

lol my Bensonhurst-raised boyfriend calls everyone "chief."

― the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Sunday, 12 March 2017 01:08 (eight years ago)

"well-adjusted"

― ogmor, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 12:22 (eight years ago)

"Festival-ready"

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 12:47 (eight years ago)

SOP = please just say instructions
CONOPS = can we just say "charter" when that's what we mean
Work Instruction = please just say instructions
"Joint-" sorry, I have to ask you some questions before we continue
"Team Lead" THAT'S NOT A THING

― SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)

"Threat"

― SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 13:33 (eight years ago)

If anyone at work finds this thread they're going to immediately figure out I'm me. Oh well.

― SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 13:34 (eight years ago)

you need decoy Tombots

― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 13:53 (eight years ago)

ahaha

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:07 (eight years ago)

reporting for duty SIR

― i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:15 (eight years ago)

"in flight" rather than ongoing

― barbarian radge (NotEnough), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:07 (eight years ago)

bartenders get called chief or boss alla time, at least in NYC

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:11 (eight years ago)

two weeks pass...

"my latest:"

fuck off

― marcos, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:51 (eight years ago)

referring to bbq as "cue"

― qualx, Thursday, 6 April 2017 00:41 (eight years ago)

morbs mentioned this a long time ago in another thread but it made me feel less alone: fucking 'melty cheese' (mostly played during fast food commercials during sporting events)

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 6 April 2017 00:47 (eight years ago)

all of these: https://twitter.com/John_Quaintance/status/799751549610168320/

― Mordy, Saturday, 8 April 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)

bromance

― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Monday, 10 April 2017 04:01 (eight years ago)

People who refer to THE GROUND as THE FLOOR.

― syzygy stardust (suzy), Monday, 10 April 2017 09:51 (eight years ago)

^ Don't watch or play rugby, that's where they do that a lot

― Josefa, Monday, 10 April 2017 13:20 (eight years ago)

Also features in the vocabulary of other stupids - caught a police spokesperson doing it the other day and felt embarrassed for him.

― syzygy stardust (suzy), Monday, 10 April 2017 13:22 (eight years ago)

"Thread."

― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

"This."

― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

"This. So much this."

― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

"This thread."

― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

A lot of this stuff is newbies discovering internettish lingo and taking it for a spin.. "this" would have been ok 10 years ago. Even amazeballs would have been ok 10 years ago. OK maybe 15.

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 22:40 (eight years ago)

totes!

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 22:48 (eight years ago)

amazeballs was never okay

― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 22:57 (eight years ago)

remember when "samich" was a thing

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

Has anyone mentioned "signature" yet when used to hype food? "Tim's signature donuts," "Popeye's signature sides," etc. I see this everywhere now. The piddly little coffee kiosk at a grocery store I go to--not a very impressive one--has a sign up for their "signature sandwiches." They have no signature sandwiches; very likely, they're not even made there. One day I'm going to excuse myself over something by letting the other person know it was just my signature passive-aggressive mind games kicking in.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 23:01 (eight years ago)

like "gourmet", it means nothing now

― fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 23:02 (eight years ago)

mouth-watering

― DJI, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 23:04 (eight years ago)

Pan-fried

― wtev, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 05:45 (eight years ago)

"baked not fried" on a box of biscuits that would obviously never be fried

― fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 06:01 (eight years ago)

I pretty much hate all food descriptors--synonyms of vomit inducing imo

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 11:29 (eight years ago)

"Mic drop"

― MrDasher, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)

when almost everything on menus is described as 'hand crafted' or 'house made'
like it's fine if's one or two items but when it's everything on the menu it feels a bit braggy and stupid

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:43 (eight years ago)

They want you to be comforted by the fact that some of the food they serve isn't just thawed out TV dinners.

― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:51 (eight years ago)

Sculpted turkey

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 22:39 (eight years ago)

The Cheesecake Factory is about to open up in Toronto. Assume their Signature Cheesecakes are part of the package.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)

Speaking of thawed out food...

― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

Signature means someone had to sign away their soul to get that recipe you monsters

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 23:02 (eight years ago)

Enjoy those 4500 calories

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 23:07 (eight years ago)

"Not the Onion."

― example (crüt), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 23:22 (eight years ago)

people have really off-the-mark ideas about the Onion's house style

― example (crüt), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 23:22 (eight years ago)

shit that looks like an onion article but isn't

― pplains, Thursday, 13 April 2017 01:55 (eight years ago)

The use of the word 'bland' to dismiss a (TV) series, or its characters.

While it might be a perfectly valid argument for not liking something, I find it's too often casually and easily thrown out as a seemingly factual summary of why a certain show is supposed to be bad. Whenever I see a forum comment or Facebook post of someone saying that a show is bland, it's normally a simple dismissal that somehow the poster still feels the need to post.
That gives me a very sad image of the state of the typical present-day audience: downloading and binging every new show and being overfed to the point where they are all but apathic and only the really distinguished series offer sufficient excitement to properly please them, thereby typically attaching themselves to the general consensus, hardly daring to form their own opinion.
It's probably just me and I'm making way more out of it than I should, but that's how the word 'bland' tends to get to me these days.

― Valentijn, Thursday, 13 April 2017 11:24 (eight years ago)

when almost everything on menus is described as 'hand crafted' or 'house made'
like it's fine if's one or two items but when it's everything on the menu it feels a bit braggy and stupid

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was thinking how wide the idea of handmade was in terms of clothing etc a couple of years ago.
THink it breaks down to either hand made or automated doesn't it?
I mean it implies something but there is a lot of play for distorting that idea and still not being quite untruthful

― Stevolende, Thursday, 13 April 2017 11:31 (eight years ago)

It's true

― virginity simple (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 April 2017 11:59 (eight years ago)

"Home invasion" to mean break-in or burglary. Is this part of the affectation where people mimic their idea of police/security lingo?

― syzygy stardust (suzy), Thursday, 13 April 2017 11:59 (eight years ago)

Who first said "Go sports!"? Was sure it was me.

― nashwan, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:05 (eight years ago)

go nashwan!

― mark s, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:16 (eight years ago)

i like all these usages by the way

― mark s, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:17 (eight years ago)

some previous posts remind me of this thread I made years ago after working in Kings Cross too long Food Industry Wanker Words

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:27 (eight years ago)

Hand-cooked crisps seem to have taken over from regular crisps in the last few years. I guess it started with Kettle Chips but even Greggs have a hand-cooked line now. I eat the Sainsburys version when I visit my mother and she regularly remarks on the fact it says they are hand-cooked. She is dubious that there is any such thing as a crisp that is not in some sense hand-cooked. I don't argue with her as I don't know anything about how ordinary crisps are cooked.

― dubmill, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:41 (eight years ago)

Big thing with clothing and handmade would probably be that it might mislead one from thinking things were not made in a sweat shop. But the fact that things were being made in a sweat shop would presumably indicate that they were being made on low level technology i.e. handmade.
An automated computerised set up would be less exploitative of a load of individual workers I think. But may not have all factors covered.

― Stevolende, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:59 (eight years ago)

In a few decades people will probably be paying big bucks for items being made now in this or that particular sweatshop

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:16 (eight years ago)

There's a not very good restaurant in my town that brags about their house made simple syrup on their cocktail menu. Because someone put a lot of effort into mixing sugar and water together.

― joygoat, Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:24 (eight years ago)

I'm a Maplogist

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:31 (eight years ago)

"adult" as a verb e.g. "adulting"

― marcos, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

Adulting was discussed earlier but omg I hate it and it deserves to be mentioned here every few months until it is dead and buried.

― billstevejim, Friday, 14 April 2017 02:52 (eight years ago)

Personally I could do without "handy" and "blowie." "Handjob" and "blowjob" are perfectly fine words, immediately understandable. "Handy" is doubly troubled because it's also an adjective that means "able to fix and make things."

I don't know if there is a term for an abbreviation that doesn't actually save you any syllables, but these are some of those.

― Help! I'm trapped in a display name factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 April 2017 12:52 (eight years ago)

"gobbie"?

― fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 14 April 2017 13:09 (eight years ago)

I don't know if there is a term for an abbreviation that doesn't actually save you any syllables, but these are some of those.

diminutive forms of words aren't about saving syllables. the -y ending in English is a suffix... it's derivation, not abbreviation.

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 14 April 2017 14:35 (eight years ago)

who the fuck says blowie? is that a britisher thing

― qualx, Saturday, 15 April 2017 03:48 (eight years ago)

btw what's the american word for wank? i have never been able to work this out

― fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 15 April 2017 03:55 (eight years ago)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51gW179x4BL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

― qualx, Saturday, 15 April 2017 04:06 (eight years ago)

that… i did not expect

― fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 15 April 2017 04:34 (eight years ago)

"hold my beer"

― groovemaaan, Saturday, 15 April 2017 06:45 (eight years ago)

we call it Palm Sunday

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 15 April 2017 17:15 (eight years ago)

any story about nightclubs:

"revellers"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 April 2017 09:16 (eight years ago)

More festivals imo. Often used in conjunction with "refused to let a little rain dampen their spirits"

― Number None, Monday, 17 April 2017 13:29 (eight years ago)

ARGH

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 April 2017 13:48 (eight years ago)

These are also the only type of people who celebrate New Year's Eve.

― pplains, Monday, 17 April 2017 14:01 (eight years ago)

i imagine them cavorting with tin whistles and throwing confetti

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 April 2017 14:23 (eight years ago)

In my mind a "reveller" wears a jester hat and invades your space by provocatively waving glowsticks in yr face, tasers should be optional.

― calzino, Monday, 17 April 2017 14:47 (eight years ago)

"The community"

― The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:38 (eight years ago)

I'm on the fence about "you do you"

― Lee626, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 12:16 (eight years ago)

how did 'shook' make its way into internet slang? is it a Mobb Deep thing?

― progge went a-courtin' (unregistered), Friday, 21 April 2017 07:48 (eight years ago)

26 Science Tweets That Will Leave You Shook

― progge went a-courtin' (unregistered), Friday, 21 April 2017 07:49 (eight years ago)

I read that first one as 15 mph and was like WHHHHAAT

― kinder, Friday, 21 April 2017 09:04 (eight years ago)

It only took 22 years to make "Shook" happen

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

I'm All Shaken Up

― jar-jar bin laden (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:57 (eight years ago)

This is very petty but "yeah" spelled any way other than that. E.g., Yea, ya, yah.

― ed.b, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

"social media has erupted" and its frequent companion "sparks ridicule"

― estela, Thursday, 27 April 2017 21:51 (eight years ago)

"took to twitter"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 April 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

"broke the internet" is played-out like a eight-track imo

― okey-dokey, gnocchi (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 27 April 2017 22:38 (eight years ago)

"took to twitter"

oh fuck yes

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 April 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)

"All the feels"

― p.j.b. (pj), Thursday, 27 April 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)

saw a woman described as "feisty" this morning, for the billionth time

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

a real smart cookie!

sharp as a whip!

🤷‍♀️

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:17 (eight years ago)

or "tack" even

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:18 (eight years ago)

also "plucky", "bossy"

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:23 (eight years ago)

saw a woman described as "feisty" this morning, for the billionth time

To be fair there are a lot of singers around today who sound like her

― Josefa, Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:29 (eight years ago)

my point (which i didn't explain, to be fair) is that any prominent woman who speaks her mind is labelled "feisty" 99% of the time

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:41 (eight years ago)

ya i think josefa was making a Feist joke tho

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 28 April 2017 02:35 (eight years ago)

ohhhhhhh

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 28 April 2017 03:28 (eight years ago)

I've gotten "a real live wire" from two different old dudes more than ten years apart.

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 28 April 2017 04:32 (eight years ago)

I feel like the only time I see "formidable" before "opponent" is "formidable woman" to describe someone who speaks above a whisper

― briscall stool chart (wins), Friday, 28 April 2017 06:50 (eight years ago)

not before "opponent", that is

― briscall stool chart (wins), Friday, 28 April 2017 06:51 (eight years ago)

"rock-ribbed" only ever used to describe right-wingers

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 28 April 2017 09:31 (eight years ago)

"All the feels"

― p.j.b. (pj), Thursday, 27 April 2017 23:53 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES.

― off-site man days (Mr Andy M), Friday, 28 April 2017 09:35 (eight years ago)

"Living my best life" can sod off as well.

― off-site man days (Mr Andy M), Friday, 28 April 2017 09:36 (eight years ago)

we have done this. cf "(x) was EVERYTHING"

xpost

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 28 April 2017 09:37 (eight years ago)

'fiercely independent'

― kinder, Friday, 28 April 2017 12:40 (eight years ago)

Any mutation of the "Keep _______ Weird" concept. Like I hear people offhandedly calling places "weird" as a compliment, or saying that a city has "weird areas" by which they mean hipster gentrified neighborhoods.

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 28 April 2017 13:58 (eight years ago)

Man you guys are on a roll

Last night I got called a groupie and I responded that calling me (us, 2 women) a groupie is insulting. He agreed and then later I asked for the wifi pwd for the bar and he called me milady :-/

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 28 April 2017 15:23 (eight years ago)

xpost

as a citizen of Austin, where I believe that phrase originated, I sincerely apologize. It was meant to indicate support for local businesses, which I can get behind, but it is still very cringeworthy.

― Moodles, Friday, 28 April 2017 15:41 (eight years ago)

https://squirrelthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/keep-missoula-weird1.jpg

― pplains, Friday, 28 April 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

http://assets.vancouverisawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/keep-vancouver-wet-sign.jpg

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 April 2017 16:58 (eight years ago)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BsW_8k33doA/UsMu_hkwNCI/AAAAAAAABM4/jRoi7GtY2U0/s1600/yytutu.bmp

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 28 April 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)

then later I asked for the wifi pwd for the bar and he called me milady :-/
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, April 28, 2017 4:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ugh

http://i.imgur.com/K62QbgU.jpg

― nomar, Friday, 28 April 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)

Firing squad not pictured

― Moodles, Friday, 28 April 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)

st valentines day MRAssacre

― nomar, Friday, 28 April 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

lol

― ✓ (Doctor Casino), Friday, 28 April 2017 21:07 (eight years ago)

Interpreter of M'ladies

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 29 April 2017 00:12 (eight years ago)

two weeks pass...

lol a guy got arrested in my area handing out cards to select women that read: "Dearest Damsel, When I looked upon I deemed you to be fair and thus have committed the sin of lust against you. I am very sorry for dis-honouring you."

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 15 May 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

https://media.giphy.com/media/bcl5yVYiti4ik/giphy.gif

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 15 May 2017 18:25 (eight years ago)

So we're using 'liberal' as a pejorative on ilx now. Cool.

― ultros ultros-ghali, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:06 (eight years ago)

now? since at least ilxors got hip to the left vs. liberal tiff.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:16 (eight years ago)

feel like we should just keep bumping this thread until infinity's gif disappears below the fold but i actually do have a word which has been annoying me recently - the use of 'iconic' to describe even the most mundane things

feels like it's taking over from 'epic' as the internet wasteman's adjective of choice

― Drive Your Lover Wild In Bed By Cosplaying As Jeff Lynne (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:22 (eight years ago)

I'm annoyed at the use of "prolific" as a synonym for great.

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:28 (eight years ago)

amazing, awesome, amazing, awesome, amazing, awesome

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:29 (eight years ago)

why bother with a language full of words when you have amazing and awesome

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:30 (eight years ago)

awesome point, amazing

― Drive Your Lover Wild In Bed By Cosplaying As Jeff Lynne (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)

iconic even

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)

Oh god, a reporter behind me just asked someone about his "state-of-the-art" facility...

― pplains, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:33 (eight years ago)

I have a feeling "code-word level" is going to be run into the ground pretty quickly

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:36 (eight years ago)

now? since at least ilxors got hip to the left vs. liberal tiff.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 14:16 (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Must've just not noticed it before I guess, I tend to just scroll on through threads when they get shitstormy, I find that stuff tedious.

― ultros ultros-ghali, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:39 (eight years ago)

I'll take amazing or awesome over bonkers any day.

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 15:41 (eight years ago)

i still like bananas
bananas!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

Down with bananas

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 19:27 (eight years ago)

Any D of chess higher than 2.

― how's life, Friday, 19 May 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)

https://files.chesscomfiles.com/images_users/tiny_mce/chessroboto/chess-3d-custom.jpg

― leprechaundriac (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 May 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)

all of these:
As a public service, here are the two boards from the Workaholics writer's room of comedy phrases that need to be retired, started season 2. pic.twitter.com/DHZqhqU5D5
— John Quaintance (@John_Quaintance) November 18, 2016
🔗/

How the fuck is "you're welcome" not on this whiteboard

― in a soylent whey (wins), Friday, 19 May 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

important sandwich update, from the new restaurant opening in the old location of ilx-famous-i-guess piratz tavern

The outdoor patio is named Sam’s Garden after his son (which also explains why the section of the menu listing burgers and such is labeled “Samwiches”).

― qualx, Saturday, 27 May 2017 03:49 (seven years ago)

"Samwiches" unegregiously fits in that context.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 27 May 2017 15:49 (seven years ago)

all of sam wiches

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

Ate in a place last week with the menu category SARNIES

― leprechaundriac (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 28 May 2017 15:46 (seven years ago)

"Throwing someone under the bus" doesn't make much sense. You can't throw someone under a bus that you're both riding on.

If (in the metaphor) you're on the bus with a person, you can really only push them out of the bus. And if you push them out the window, they will land either to the side of the bus, or behind it. Not under the bus, unless you can somehow lean out the window (holding a struggling person) and throw them at an awkward angle.

You can throw someone under a bus that just happens to be passing by, but that requires you to know exactly when the bus is coming. More likely it would just be *a* bus, not *the* bus.

PLUS you need to be able to lift a person, and relatively few people can lift another (presumably unwilling) adult.

So expressions that would make sense are either (a) "Push them out of *the* bus." Or (b) "Push them under *a* bus."

― kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:25 (seven years ago)

ye mad

― qualx, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:52 (seven years ago)

"people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:53 (seven years ago)

"onboard" as a verb

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:55 (seven years ago)

people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Yeah! They totally could! Especially if they threw them out of the door or window. Or just threw the stones a short distance, into a pillow or something. Lots of ways to throw a stone in a glass house. Even MORE ways if you don't care about breaking glass or replacing it.

― kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:57 (seven years ago)

"WHen you assume, you make an ass of u and me"

― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:05 (seven years ago)

(Talking of annoying the shit out of people)

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:24 (seven years ago)

can someone actually become so agitated that they excrete!?

― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:27 (seven years ago)

People who live in normal houses may throw stones at anyone they feel like.

― jmm, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:37 (seven years ago)

Let he who is without sin...

http://i.imgur.com/ygy4LnI.jpg

― pplains, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:47 (seven years ago)

What if you are without sin but live in a glass house? How would you know what the heck to do at all?

― Moodles, Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:52 (seven years ago)

Ye mad Puffin, I think the point of the glass-house stone-throwing aphorism is not that you might injure your own house, but that the people you tried to injure by throwing stones at them can safely retreat into their non-glass relatively stone-proof houses, then later they can quickly and easily retaliate by demolishing your highly vulnerable glass house by chucking stones at it, so you end up homeless and they dance around, thumb their noses at you, laugh, and point at you as the stupid guy in the glass house who started a war he was bound to lose.

I think I got that right.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 2 June 2017 04:02 (seven years ago)

It seems like the overall meaning is "If you are emotionally sensitive you should never up for yourself"

― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Monday, 5 June 2017 12:54 (seven years ago)

People in covfefe houses shouldn't throw covfefe. https://t.co/M7oK5Z6qwF
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) June 1, 2017

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 03:54 (seven years ago)

when they go low we go high

― President Keyes, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:54 (seven years ago)

"Let's all discuss..." Let's all talk about..." "Let's all (do something)..."

Let's not and say we did.

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:21 (seven years ago)

"I've been busting my hump"

???

― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 18:07 (seven years ago)

It's like busting a move, but more painful.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 20:36 (seven years ago)

better to bust a hump than to hump a bust
-bob marley

― qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:35 (seven years ago)

Agree to disagree

― Moodles, Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:09 (seven years ago)

Agree to disagree is so much more polite than saying "I guess you're too stupid or obstinate to see that I'm right about, so we'll just have to leave it at that."

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:12 (seven years ago)

I can't help it if Bob Marley got that one wrong.

― Moodles, Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:20 (seven years ago)

are the people who live in glass houses prohibited from throwing stones even outside their glass houses?
are they permitted curtains in the bathroom?

― massaman gai, Thursday, 8 June 2017 04:06 (seven years ago)

people who live in log cabins shouldn't juggle flamethrowers

― President Keyes, Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:49 (seven years ago)

The very modern affectation (last two or three years? it's everywhere now) of starting a certain king of social media post with "So." "So I interviewed Ethel Merman this morning." "So I just won the Nobel Prize for chemistry." "So it looks like I'm someone everyone's talking about." I think it's supposed to be self-deprecating--an aw-shucks clearing of the throat--but I find it almost as weird as referring to yourself in the third-person. ("So Bob Dole has a new memoir coming out next week." "Thank you, Senator Dole.")

― clemenza, Thursday, 8 June 2017 22:32 (seven years ago)

"A certain king of social media"--obviously a Trump reference.

― clemenza, Thursday, 8 June 2017 22:33 (seven years ago)

elevator pitch

― marcos, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:18 (seven years ago)

breakout session

― marcos, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:18 (seven years ago)

brainstorming

― marcos, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:18 (seven years ago)

People who say FLOOR when they mean THE GROUND.

Morons, every one of them.

― syzygy stardust (suzy), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:26 (seven years ago)

people say 'salty' way too much these days

― how's life, Thursday, 15 June 2017 11:26 (seven years ago)

(xp) I hate that too but I heard it a lot after Borough Market attack so seemed churlish to get too annoyed about it.

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 June 2017 11:43 (seven years ago)

ivanka simpering 'my father' in her soft, precise, expensive voice.

― estela, Thursday, 15 June 2017 11:46 (seven years ago)

Hahahaha I repost that complaint every time one of my friends who should know better say 'floor' and this time, yes, it's my friend who is on a tefl course and managing one of the concessions at Borough Market (she was there on that Saturday but went home after a 7pm swiftly at the pub).

― syzygy stardust (suzy), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:48 (seven years ago)

"Latest and greatest"

― brimstead, Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:59 (seven years ago)

was "thank you captain obvious" discussed yet?

― billstevejim, Friday, 16 June 2017 05:22 (seven years ago)

Anything that Eddie Butler says during a rugby match especially when he rolls his r's.

― wtev, Saturday, 17 June 2017 20:27 (seven years ago)

when did "individuals" replace "people" in official statements?

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 11:14 (seven years ago)

'persons'

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 June 2017 11:15 (seven years ago)

Have I mentioned 'home invasion'?

― syzygy stardust (suzy), Friday, 23 June 2017 11:29 (seven years ago)

was "thank you captain obvious" discussed yet?

the only acceptable 'captain x' formulation is of course 'cap'n save-a-x'

― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 June 2017 11:33 (seven years ago)

I am sure this has been mentioned, but I don't really like seeing "Here's the thing" in professional writing and it's not the best when repeated over and over in speech either.

― MrDasher, Friday, 23 June 2017 12:26 (seven years ago)

we started out friends

― kinder, Friday, 23 June 2017 12:57 (seven years ago)

The 'sir' in "you, sir, are a gentleman".

Actually the whole lot of that faux polite bs

― wtev, Friday, 23 June 2017 15:04 (seven years ago)

"Here's the thing"

yea this is annoying

― marcos, Friday, 23 June 2017 15:08 (seven years ago)

cf "here's why"

― marcos, Friday, 23 June 2017 15:08 (seven years ago)

pitiful filler language

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 23 June 2017 16:09 (seven years ago)

personally i love arbitrary language that signifies nothing

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 23 June 2017 18:13 (seven years ago)

gee, i'm sorry the rest of us aren't fast enough at thinking of what we wanna say so we gotta pepper our language with shit that stretches it out while we grasp desperately at anything resembling a cogent thought in the form of a human sentence

― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:20 (seven years ago)

Ha Will, you're assuming I don't have a good command of language and that I'm quick on my toes. You're wrong.

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:39 (seven years ago)

*not quick on my toes. Didn't make my best case there, but you know what they say about assumptions...

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:40 (seven years ago)

I have a so-so command of the English language, and am very slow on my toes, and I use a lot of fill words/phrases so I can sound semi-smart by the time I get to the end of my sentence

― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:47 (seven years ago)

I have trouble with people using 'ascertain' in conversation but I think the Kids in the Hall are almost entirely to blame for that.

― President Buttstuff (Old Lunch), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:48 (seven years ago)

Hahah, alright fair enough. Personally I just like using fill words with my good buddy as a kind of banter at times. Apologies I thought you were coming at me.

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:48 (seven years ago)

I do shit like in one sentence use the word capitulate when I could've probably just used a synonym that didn't make me look like an asshole, and then two sentences later forget the word "promotion" and go "what's that word for when you're doing one thing and then a boss is like good job, do this harder thing"

xxp lol ascertain

― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:48 (seven years ago)

no i was coming at everyone who is trying to blow up my spot using fillers, Ross you're A-OK in my book would banter w/ you

― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:49 (seven years ago)

:) oh shit, now I'm in total agreement with you re: spot using fillers.

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:53 (seven years ago)

when did ironic/faux-naïf comma splices come into common use, I use them myself sometimes but I'm not really sure how I feel about them. is this Saramago's fault somehow?

― the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Friday, 23 June 2017 21:22 (seven years ago)

definitely been noticing that a lot in the past year or so

― Number None, Saturday, 24 June 2017 11:05 (seven years ago)

when did ironic/faux-naïf comma splices come into common use, I use them myself sometimes but I'm not really sure how I feel about them. is this Saramago's fault somehow?

Not sure what you mean by this- maybe I am doing this myself unaware?- please give example

― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 June 2017 11:15 (seven years ago)

"We identified that there were two key issues to be addressed."

i.e. 'identify' governing a 'that'-clause. It's so common in the reports I have to read and edit for work that I don't try to correct it, but it never sounds good to me. It can often be replaced by making the object in the clause the object of 'identify' ("We identified two key issues to be addressed"), which sounds way better.

― jmm, Saturday, 24 June 2017 12:51 (seven years ago)

too many people don't use simple english in business, it's bullshit

― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 24 June 2017 13:06 (seven years ago)

"we plan to establish a brand strategy for internet search exposure going forward" -> "we got adwords"

― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 24 June 2017 13:08 (seven years ago)

when did ironic/faux-naïf comma splices come into common use, I use them myself sometimes but I'm not really sure how I feel about them. is this Saramago's fault somehow?

― the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Friday, June 23, 2017 5:22 PM (yesterday)

the lagoon effect, i do it too now

― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:15 (seven years ago)

Saramago and lagoon, driving common usage

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:18 (seven years ago)

it's great, everyone do it

― qualx, Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:19 (seven years ago)

I am also not 100% on what is meant by ironic/faux-naïf comma splices btw

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:20 (seven years ago)

what is an ironic comma splice really, hard to tell, all i know is it's Good

― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:32 (seven years ago)

"We identified that there were two key issues to be addressed."

― jmm, Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:51 PM (five hours ago)

The original sentence works better than your fix if they don't actually know what the issues to be addressed are, but they do know that there's two of them. I admit that this is probably a very niche use.

― emil.y, Saturday, 24 June 2017 18:03 (seven years ago)

but you wouldn't say "identified" in that case. Discovered or found would be better.

― sarahell, Saturday, 24 June 2017 18:07 (seven years ago)

They would be better, true. But I don't think it would be wholly inaccurate to use identified in that case. Maybe I'm wrong and it's still too much language twisting?

― emil.y, Saturday, 24 June 2017 18:10 (seven years ago)

it wouldn't be inaccurate, in that a reader would understand the meaning of the sentence, it just would be an awkward use of the word "identified" when other words would be more appropriate.

― sarahell, Saturday, 24 June 2017 18:12 (seven years ago)

I don't know much about comma splices but I know, what I like

― space chipmunk (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 24 June 2017 19:19 (seven years ago)

In casual writing I've become addicted to mid-sentence end marks! which I know, is mad and wrong, but do I care? apparently not.

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 24 June 2017 22:14 (seven years ago)

Progressive

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 June 2017 22:21 (seven years ago)

I mean is this all a sudden the new backpatting selfdescriptor or have I just not noticed it before, shit is everywhere

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 June 2017 22:22 (seven years ago)

https://irishelectionliterature.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hsmyth1.jpg

― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 June 2017 22:30 (seven years ago)

https://ptmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Progressive-Logo.jpg

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 24 June 2017 22:38 (seven years ago)

Can anyone point me to a thread that's the opposite of this? IE. Words, usages and phrases you love

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Sunday, 25 June 2017 07:35 (seven years ago)

I tried it once phrases you like

& there was another one recently that had a few more takers I think

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 25 June 2017 07:44 (seven years ago)

thanks Wins :-)

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Sunday, 25 June 2017 08:00 (seven years ago)

commas are fine the world would be better if everyone took a pause when they saw one

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 25 June 2017 15:31 (seven years ago)

e.b.white said you have to pull out a chair and sit down when you see one = the opposite of capitals

― mark s, Sunday, 25 June 2017 15:37 (seven years ago)

i am a "person of color" but holy shit i am really starting to hate this term, it so clumsy and awkward

― marcos, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

"of color"

― marcos, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

like something about it so dumb yet this is the accepted unoffensive term

― marcos, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:23 (seven years ago)

Try it with a u?

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:09 (seven years ago)

Still not good imho

I'm used to it by now tho

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:11 (seven years ago)

"Living my best life" can sod off as well.

― off-site man days (Mr Andy M), Friday, April 28, 2017 2:36 AM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my wife's good buddy/co-manager has a roommate who says this a lot and everyone hates it

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:37 (seven years ago)

Just from an editor's point of view, I've never quite got how PoC is different from saying CP.

And yes, I've linked to that Bloom County strip before, it doesn't help my argument.

― pplains, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago)

here is where I remind people that an actual HR department suggested "pe0p1e of ethnicity" instead
and got arsey when questioned about it

googleproofing because I sure as hell googled it

― kinder, Thursday, 29 June 2017 21:31 (seven years ago)

Yeah that just doesn't read significantly worse than the accepted phrase to me, this feels like a déjà vu argument tho

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 22:09 (seven years ago)

only noticeable diff between PoC and CP is added emphasis on their being people as opposed to their color.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 30 June 2017 04:57 (seven years ago)

people of ethnicity is universal though. Everybody has an ethnicity or has Kaspar Hauser syndrome i.e. unless one is totally isolated from the people around one you pick up an ethnicity of some kind.
Always strikes me as weird that white bread type people don't recognise their own ethnicity. Maybe it is an idea of norm that 'we' are automatically 'normal' and anybody labeled as having an ethnicity is obvioulsy working away from that norm. When the norm itself denotes an ethnicity in itself, innit?

― Stevolende, Friday, 30 June 2017 09:28 (seven years ago)

Everyone has a skin colour too

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 30 June 2017 09:38 (seven years ago)

How dare u

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Friday, 30 June 2017 11:37 (seven years ago)

clear privilege

― space chipmunk (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 30 June 2017 15:03 (seven years ago)

everytime i see POC i just think of the irish rugby player paul o'connell.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 30 June 2017 15:07 (seven years ago)

everyone does

― President Keyes, Friday, 30 June 2017 15:08 (seven years ago)

i prefer using white, black, brown tbh (purple too)

― marcos, Friday, 30 June 2017 15:09 (seven years ago)

damn - i'm sorry he's had to go through so much.

xpost

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 30 June 2017 15:10 (seven years ago)

I think of poo oyster cult

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 30 June 2017 15:12 (seven years ago)

i feel like "brown people" has become hugely more prominent lately to mean "anyone who isn't of white ethnicity"

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 30 June 2017 15:16 (seven years ago)

Meh. I like brown. I identify as brown, because it's less awkward than having to explain English-speaking Latino. As a term it's imprecise, but there's something empowerment of the imprecision. It feels inclusive, and I like it as an ethnic/racial analogue of "queer."

― rb (soda), Friday, 30 June 2017 15:53 (seven years ago)

hanging out in los angeles in the 90s i saw lots of mexicans, central americans and chicanos wear t-shirts with this, actually say this and graffiti this a lot

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/40/b0/36/40b0367fb35a3424b439209522ef50b6--chicano-rap-latino-art.jpg

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 30 June 2017 16:17 (seven years ago)

at that time i knew a guy who was trying to get into mara salvatrucha and him and his pals were into this

he had a huge tattoo of his surname written in blackletter/gothic script that took up half of his back

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 30 June 2017 16:22 (seven years ago)

i always think it stands for 'piece of chit'.

― how's life, Friday, 30 June 2017 19:41 (seven years ago)

Sneaked instead of snuck.

― how's life, Sunday, 2 July 2017 01:01 (seven years ago)

man, after all the times i've seen some well-meaning person referring to somebody from england or whatever as "african-american", i'll take about anything else without complaint.

― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:44 (seven years ago)

"Our entire office is filled with rock star co-workers you will surely call friends of yours after a few weeks".

Uh, NOPE - kinda doubt working in a corporate office is anything like working with rock stars

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Monday, 3 July 2017 23:14 (seven years ago)

feel like both of those things are different kinds of suck

― more polls about food and reactionary art (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 July 2017 23:15 (seven years ago)

"rock star" is now established corporate lingo indicating nothing in particular

― qualx, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 02:21 (seven years ago)

Had a polite discussion with a female editor co-worker of mine over the phrase "girl boss".

As in "Check Out These 7 'Girl Bosses' Leading the Pack" for a profile compendium of women executives in our metro.

She was in favor, I was against, but the last thing I want to be accused of is mansplaining the phrase "girl boss" to a female compatriot of mine.

― pplains, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:19 (seven years ago)

^different generations seem to think differently about stuff like that

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:26 (seven years ago)

You would know, I guess.

― pplains, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:27 (seven years ago)

I've seen more than a few generations so far. My grandparents were all born in the 19th century. Seen at least on generation coming up after me born in the 21st century. So, yeah, I've got anecdotal ground to stand on.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:32 (seven years ago)

Gransplaining

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 11:59 (seven years ago)

Re: PoC

I just use non-white. It's the clearest you can get. Some non-white people from countries where they are the majority hate the term PoC and think it should only be used in places where they are minorities.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:29 (seven years ago)

Really hating "big bad" for main villain.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:30 (seven years ago)

"Non-white" is problematic because it centres whiteness, though.

― emil.y, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 15:10 (seven years ago)

Isn't PoC still doing that but a bit less blatant?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 15:18 (seven years ago)

yes, it's implicit ('people without colour' has a nice, 'man without qualities' sort of ring to it). I lean towards 'ethnic minorities' when applicable, but it's not possible to have neatly unproblematic terms about an inherently problematic concept imo.

― ogmor, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 15:22 (seven years ago)

^ this is so crucial to understand

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 July 2017 16:31 (seven years ago)

Ogmor OTM.

― emil.y, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 16:32 (seven years ago)

My answer is basically not to state that some terminology or other is somehow objectively best, but to keep my ears open and listen to what non-white/PoC/BAME voices ask to be identified as. Yes, that will change over time, and yes, groups and individuals may have conflicting desires, but it's actually not that hard to listen and change your vocabulary as necessary.

― emil.y, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 16:36 (seven years ago)

I agree with emil.y

Also like to add that I think it's more important to be kind, respectful and understanding of others than to know a correct lexicon of terms < strikes me as a problem with current PC culture

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:06 (seven years ago)

Sure, as long as you are receptive enough to others' feelings to update your lexicon - you can only plead ignorance once

I really wish PoC wasn't the term most in vogue as it sounds awkward and silly to me, and I tend to use "non-white" when I want to refer to all people who aren't white as a single group because I think you might as well centre the (bad) construct of whiteness in that case, but I'm at the point that I would only really use threads like this where we get pissy about linguistic minutiae to say so

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:18 (seven years ago)

This is a good piece that has a bunch of critiques of some of the current terms, including PoC.

http://vajra.me/2015/04/15/margin/

And yes, I get most of my race and lgbt reading through speculative fiction authors.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:34 (seven years ago)

Haha of course you do

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:36 (seven years ago)

RAG against the machines

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:38 (seven years ago)

But they are quite good at it (apart from the hard right), since they're always thinking about radical changes and different societies

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:45 (seven years ago)

I wasn't having a go it was just a pvmic, I p much share your feelings here (and also re big bad, awful term)

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:49 (seven years ago)

I feel kind of like a hypocrite using the term "people of colour" on ilx or twitter or wherever just because I can't imagine actually saying it in the presence of any of the people of colour/non-white people/etc that I know irl. (I guess this depends on what circles you move in? I feel like most of the ppl I interact with on a day to day basis would be weirded out by me using the term PoC in conversation, but maybe I'm wrong idk) (NB not that I'm going around constantly making explicit reference people's ethnicity or anything)

― soref, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:50 (seven years ago)

I've never heard a uk person say it out loud, it's a US (& therefore internet) thing

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:58 (seven years ago)

emil.y is correct and wise

darraghmac has caused me to laugh

that is all

― honda for the goyim (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:59 (seven years ago)

solitary posts

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:00 (seven years ago)

i am really tired of this weird trend in mostly article writing of referring to any group of marginalized people as "folks" ie "black folks", "trans folks", "lgbt folks" even "folks of color" (???)

it seems like it's supposed to be careful wording but it always sticks out and i have no idea what the point of it is. just say people ??

― qualx, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:17 (seven years ago)

haha I think that's not great but paradoxically I endorse "folks of colour"

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:19 (seven years ago)

"Take"

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 03:27 (seven years ago)

referring to "take" as a noun used as a synonym for "opinion"

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 03:27 (seven years ago)

hot take bill

― Number None, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 06:34 (seven years ago)

funny

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 07:01 (seven years ago)

'make' as a noun has always sounded clumsy to me, often should be brand instead, get rid

― ogmor, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 08:09 (seven years ago)

Name is so much better than brand imo

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 08:39 (seven years ago)

Autocorrect better than either obv

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 08:39 (seven years ago)

'make' is better than 'brand' because linkedin and twitter aren't besieged with 50 billion posts/articles about "make strategies" or "make awareness" or "your personal make"

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 08:45 (seven years ago)

core make proposition

― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:01 (seven years ago)

make thoughts

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:05 (seven years ago)

i am really tired of this weird trend in mostly article writing of referring to any group of marginalized people as "folks" ie "black folks", "trans folks", "lgbt folks" even "folks of color" (???)

"we tortured some folks"

― marcos, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:28 (seven years ago)

'make' as a noun has always sounded clumsy to me, often should be brand instead, get rid

"make and model" v common acceptable imo

― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:14 (seven years ago)

well if mordy thinks so I might have to reconsider

― ogmor, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:23 (seven years ago)

I keep on thinking about Bryan Ferry.

― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:30 (seven years ago)

xp idk it maybe is more of an industry term of art? but ime it's super common esp regarding cars & industrial equipment

― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:35 (seven years ago)

punching up / punching down

get a new excuse for why it's ok for u to punch but not for someone else

― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:38 (seven years ago)

'make' as a noun was also rife at my high school but it didn't stop everyone sounding like non-native speakers

― ogmor, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:42 (seven years ago)

lol telling someone to 'get' something and bad faith use of 'excuse' both strike me as much more heinous than fisticuffs as a shorthand for power dynamics

― ogmor, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:47 (seven years ago)

i take exception to about 99% of that response

― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:49 (seven years ago)

"power dynamics" also a terrible terrible idiom tho

― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:50 (seven years ago)

ilx is the best place to take exception imo

― ogmor, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:53 (seven years ago)

iirc I """"called"""" out pu/pd within about ten mins of first ilx use Mordy so you'll have to relinquish the rights to this one iirc

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:20 (seven years ago)

thought it was okay for everyone to punch this year

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:23 (seven years ago)

i'd expect nothing less xp

― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:24 (seven years ago)

I really hate seeing the word "band" used to describe a one-person studio-only project.

― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:27 (seven years ago)

calling Trump "45." get over yourself

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:45 (seven years ago)

unless it's used to replace the number 2. as in, i'm going to take a 45 right now.

― jenkem street team (carpet_kaiser), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:49 (seven years ago)

i am really tired of this weird trend in mostly article writing of referring to any group of marginalized people as "folks" ie "black folks", "trans folks", "lgbt folks" even "folks of color" (???)

it seems like it's supposed to be careful wording but it always sticks out and i have no idea what the point of it is. just say people ??

― qualx, Tuesday, July 4, 2017 2:17 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anti-oppressive practice and narrative therapy folks are really into this

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:50 (seven years ago)

i see "white folks" quite a bit, too

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:53 (seven years ago)

weird variation of the Haley Joel Osment affliction

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:54 (seven years ago)

oh hey, here's a major one: "shitposting." why has this entered mainstream usage?

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:55 (seven years ago)

I'm always expecting to hear the word "home" following folks, as in Old Folks Home.

― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:55 (seven years ago)

xp: I have to imagine reddit and 4chan. I hate it too. Grosses me out.

― how's life, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:13 (seven years ago)

In fairness it appears to map pretty closely to the sharp rise in shitposting

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:18 (seven years ago)

Always thought 'punching up/punching down' was meant to place a situation in context rather than make out the innocence of one puncher as opposed to another

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:25 (seven years ago)

Nope. It's what Mordy said.

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:30 (seven years ago)

Can we have an example though?

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:35 (seven years ago)

https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/Search/search.jsp

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:39 (seven years ago)

Punching up is to brighten a script. If it's a comedy, add in more jokes! If it's a drama, heighten the tension!

Punching down is a dance move at hardcore shows.

― how's life, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:44 (seven years ago)

One also punches down when making pizza or bread dough.

― honda for the goyim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:48 (seven years ago)

I really hate seeing the word "band" used to describe a one-person studio-only project.

― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:27 AM (one hour ago)

this also bugs me a little, and it can be confusing when the one-person is referred to using the gender-neutral "they" -- a dj on the radio just did this about 45 minutes ago. But I couldn't tell whether she was just using "band" as a generic term, "they" as a gender neutral term (the artist in question is a guy that I'm pretty sure is okay with being male), or she didn't know that the "band" was just one person's project.

― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:43 (seven years ago)

the word "alignment" used to describe where your life is at

"hope you find alignment"

this kind of pillowy language can fuck off

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:46 (seven years ago)

xp idk it maybe is more of an industry term of art? but ime it's super common esp regarding cars & industrial equipment

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:35 AM (six hours ago)

have seen it commonly used for electronic equipment and musical instruments

― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:50 (seven years ago)

the word "alignment" used to describe where your life is at
"hope you find alignment"
this kind of pillowy language can fuck off

damn this is wack and smacks of west coast

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:59 (seven years ago)

I'm west coast 4 life and I've never heard this. Here we have lots of "balance" and "healing"

― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:06 (seven years ago)

^ lol

i'm west coast too sarahell :-)

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:13 (seven years ago)

Re-Brand/Re-Model

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:14 (seven years ago)

xp cool

― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:22 (seven years ago)

lots of artists here now describing themselves as "healers" ... doesn't really annoy the shit out of me, but it's a trend I've noticed, and it doesn't really fit my sensibility

― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:25 (seven years ago)

there's always been this new age-y obsession with "healing" like the whole scene is a hypochondriacs' convention

― more polls about food and reactionary art (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:30 (seven years ago)

I guess it's the result of the artists' desire to have their work do something other than just be "art for art's sake" -- some sort of functional role. I feel like it's more aspirational than realistic.

― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:33 (seven years ago)

it's like being the unacknowledged legislators of the world just isn't enough for some folks

― more polls about food and reactionary art (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:36 (seven years ago)

alignment is for chiropractors

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:42 (seven years ago)

1. re punching up/punching down, there was a Slugger O'Toole post last week calling out* "mischaracterisation and 'punching down' of Ulster Protestants", which v much confused me until I noticed the article refers to caricatures in Punch magazine of old

* apologies if "calling out" is a phrase that annoys the shit out of you, I'm not that keen myself but always seem to end up using it because I can't think of a similar suitably vague alternative

2. as a hypochondriac of nebulous imaginary woes which are undiagnosable as actual illness but I could still do with "healing", I can live with its use in new age treehugging contexts, but for art... I don't like it

I like art to rip me a few new wounds and ruptures I s'pose (NB not really but it sounded cool to my inner teenager), and don't you tell me whether your art is effective in any positive or negative sense

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:43 (seven years ago)

Punching up is to brighten a script. If it's a comedy, add in more jokes! If it's a drama, heighten the tension!
Punching down is a dance move at hardcore shows.

I like to say of an overworked script "this could have used a little punching down"

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:45 (seven years ago)

xp u get a pass on most things spacecadet <3

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:57 (seven years ago)

<3 <3 tho I might need a list of the thing I don't get a pass on, for research purposes

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:01 (seven years ago)

or even things plural

perhaps there is only one but that's not a great list

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:02 (seven years ago)

O don't worry you'll know when it happens

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:23 (seven years ago)

imho the punching up/down metaphor has proved legitimately useful and valuable for, e.g., female comedians pointing out to male comedians that rape jokes aren't funny. is it the most precise and on-the-money way of making this point, idk, but ime it's not really about finding an "excuse" to do anything.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:48 (seven years ago)

u get a pass on most things spacecadet

I got this joke

― El Tomboto, Thursday, 6 July 2017 01:21 (seven years ago)

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 07:39 (seven years ago)

The idea that jokes "work" up the power structure, but not down the power structure, is a good one imo. You don't have to call it punching up/punching down but it is still a good principle.

That said, this view is yoked to a specific theory of comedy, i.e., funny = unexpected inversion/subversion of the received social order. The king on the throne is banal; the village drunkard on the throne is amusing because it upends the normal hierarchy.

The main competing aesthetic of comedy is quasi-Freudian, i.e., funny = what you were thinking anyway but were too polite to say out loud. This view embraces down-punching "jokes" like haha Mexicans are dirty or haha women can't drive well. But it doesn't accommodate surprise, absurdity, or relief, all of which feel to me like important components of "funny."

― gin and chronic (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 6 July 2017 11:12 (seven years ago)

i've said it before but bergson nailed it 100 years ago
http://www.authorama.com/laughter-1.html

However spontaneous it seems, laughter always implies a kind of secret freemasonry, or even complicity, with other laughers, real or imaginary. How often has it been said that the fuller the theatre, the more uncontrolled the laughter of the audience! On the other hand, how often has the remark been made that many comic effects are incapable of translation from one language to another, because they refer to the customs and ideas of a particular social group! It is through not understanding the importance of this double fact that the comic has been looked upon as a mere curiosity in which the mind finds amusement, and laughter itself as a strange, isolated phenomenon, without any bearing on the rest of human activity. Hence those definitions which tend to make the comic into an abstract relation between ideas: “an intellectual contrast,” “a palpable absurdity,” etc.,--definitions which, even were they really suitable to every form of the comic, would not in the least explain why the comic makes us laugh. How, indeed, should it come about that this particular logical relation, as soon as it is perceived, contracts, expands and shakes our limbs, whilst all other relations leave the body unaffected? It is not from this point of view that we shall approach the problem. To understand laughter, we must put it back into its natural environment, which is society, and above all must we determine the utility of its function, which is a social one. Such, let us say at once, will be the leading idea of all our investigations. Laughter must answer to certain requirements of life in common. It must have a SOCIAL signification.

it's really worthwhile to read the whole thing but the basic idea is that laughter is a social corrective that identifies a rigidity or inelasticity in the mind or body of a human being - it calls out the mechanical in the body of the living

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 11:23 (seven years ago)

I think that's a viewpoint that insists on structure in a fluid human field where structure can only be implied and applied from a relative perspective and is therefore, in the very essence, incorrect if it attempts to be a universal rule.

I mean you can do it, of course. It's just....why? As soon as you do it you're milking the plaudits from the people who agree with you. Well and good but you're predefining humour as a tool of whatever policy in itself, which is valid but hugely limited as a wider definition of the art.

It seems a masturbatory exercise of the highest order to in any way (even the lightest) insist that there be political or etc elements to how humour should/must/does succeed outside of 'lol thats funny'

tldr you are flogging a dead cart

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 11:27 (seven years ago)

putting the gift before the horse

― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 July 2017 11:46 (seven years ago)

It is a bit weird that "comedy is only funny if it's punching up" has become kind of an accepted rule of humor when it's really a reflection of cultural change. Probably 90% of jokes throughout history--the ones not about kings and lords--were punching down. Certainly nearly every joke I heard in school would be considered punching down, except those about teachers (who likely made less $ than our parents.)

― President Keyes, Thursday, 6 July 2017 12:48 (seven years ago)

Not sure when it's considered punching up, down or sideways. Is it just social position or more about a specific situation? If Prince William tells a funny joke at the expense of a deserving stereotypical loony lefty, is that punching down?

I've got a fear that I'll involuntarily laugh at a crying person or a disabled person making odd faces and movements, or someone with a bizarre voice. Is that just nervous laughter?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 6 July 2017 12:59 (seven years ago)

A rule that doesn't identify what makes people
laugh but rather what people should/shouldn't consider funny is not a theory of comedy but one of social control.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:30 (seven years ago)

If Prince William tells a funny joke at the expense of a deserving stereotypical loony lefty

I..

uh...

o_O

― emil.y, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:31 (seven years ago)

RAG on fire today.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:38 (seven years ago)

I struggled for examples but I just meant an extremely privileged person making fun of a George Galloway type, who probably aren't that rich and powerful in general.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:42 (seven years ago)

Everyone makes fun of George Galloway, he gets punched from all directions.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:43 (seven years ago)

I guess it's about "social control" as much as advocating for any ethical platform is. The basic point is that if you are in a powerful in-group and you make your money exhorting that group to laugh at the suffering of a less powerful out-group, you are not some transgressive rule-breaking rebel, but a participant in the normal functioning of everyday oppression, and a bully besides. Framing it as ''rape jokes aren't funny'' isn't a first step towards writing a binding codex of comedy, it's a way to get that point to land in the mind of the comic in question, or to get it down succinctly enough that it's something a heckler can use to deflate the whole bullying sham.

I really recommend Lindy West's /Shrill/ on this point, as she really writes this from within the world of stand-up and conveys the stakes very well (and often humorously, natch).

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:48 (seven years ago)

The point I'm probably by now labouring is that you are still insisting on a framework

"____ jokes aren't funny" depends on whether the joke is funny, not on ______

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:52 (seven years ago)

"exhorting that group to laugh at" again seems to me to be a very deliberate framing.

You're a comedian, you write funny jokes as best you can.

I'm sure we've done this to death on the "tyranny of humour" thread tbf

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:54 (seven years ago)

won't someone think of all the hilarious rape jokes that might never get a chance to make bros chortle if people succeeded in persuading other people not to tell them. what a dystopic nightmare.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:56 (seven years ago)

Sarcasm of course is famously....

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:57 (seven years ago)

dr casino it's interesting how someone making a self-evident point - that you're making a social/ethical intervention, not a humor intervention - compels you to try and shame that person again not along the lines of humor/comedy but along the lines of whether it is worth sacrificing X for the sake of the greater good. you were almost even honest too. just admit - "yes, this is not about comedy, it's about political correctness. and there's nothing wrong with that" and go on yr way. bc all the other stuff is just disingenuously clouding the issue.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:02 (seven years ago)

I bumped the relevant thread, if it helps.

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:04 (seven years ago)

there is surely no sound sweeter to the human ear than 'political correctness'

― ogmor, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:08 (seven years ago)

"it's about being sensitive to the needs of marginalized groups" if that sounds sweeter

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:10 (seven years ago)

A rule that doesn't identify what makes people
laugh but rather what people should/shouldn't consider funny is not a theory of comedy but one of social control.

― Mordy, Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:30 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I first encountered the 'punch up/punch down' concept within a milieu where people come to Chicago from say the deep south to study comedy and would need to be told pretty explicitly why they could expect to lose an audience and/or their fellow performers if they wandered down certain roads. Not so much a theory of comedy as a performative guideline.

― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:11 (seven years ago)

Fair enough, that!

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:14 (seven years ago)

the problem is that those jokes worked in the south but no one moving to the south is getting a primer like "hey down here ppl love if you punch down at these groups" bc the entire punch up/punch down framework is designed w/ a moral judgement in it (bc who doesn't think it's more ethical to punch up - afflict the comfortable - than punch down?) but it's masquerading as neutral performative advice.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:18 (seven years ago)

I myself directly described it as an ethical issue and a matter of persuading people along those lines? And ime so do the people I've read on this matter, they do NOT frame it as neutral performative advice at all.

If anything disingenuously clouds the issue it's your refusal to engage with questions like this without seeing them in terms of "political correctness" and "control,'' and those only on the part of the critics. As if asserting the A-OKness of the punching-down jokes is not a political claim; as if the bully comics' screeds about ''political correctness'' are not an attempt by them to retain control.

You could just as easily ''go on your way'' and ''be honest'' by just saying ''the women and POC who brought in this language of punching-down to try and make the content and social scene of comedy less toxic and hostile to them are wrong and should all shut up.'' If that's not the position you want to defend, feel free to clarify as I have no idea how else to take your apparently very heartfelt concern on behalf of the comedians who will be shackled by this ''social control.''. (Which is sorta funny cause this whole thread is about asserting that certain language should be purged from contemporary conversation - I think we all accept that there is some valid push and pull around what we would like to hear people say, socially! God forbid it should be motivated by an ethical impulse and not just us getting IA around corporate blogospeak or whatever else.)

Like...I mean this language comes from a specific context and historical moment, which is why I found the West really helpful to fleshing out what's going on within comedy and why this would be important to people (as I am not a comedian). To me articulating that context is not ''other stuff'' but essential to understanding what ''punching down'' means and is about in 2017.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:22 (seven years ago)

Google results for:
conservatives aren't funny punching down
About 9,530,000 results (0.46 seconds)

― President Keyes, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:26 (seven years ago)

the problem is that jokes aren't funny or not funny based on what direction they're punching. that's a misnomer meant to obscure that they can be funny or not based on the political leanings of the crowd hearing the joke. you can punch down all you want if you're punching down at the right group (like at neckbeard pepe memesters living in their parent's basement), and you can't punch up if it's at the expense of the wrong group. the honesty comes when you say "i find jokes funny when they don't upset my natural political sense of who are the victims and who are the violators in society" but framing it as a some kind of platonic rule is dishonest bc it's not true. esp since it clearly depends on the political commitments of the audience. you're confusing issues because we can talk about whether it's a rule for comedy (here are jokes you can tell in chicago vs. jokes you can tell in birmingham) or we can talk about whether ppl should censor themselves for the greater good (i.e. no matter how it plays anywhere) but they're two distinct conversations. one is pragmatic and the other is ideological. i'm ok with you making either case - i don't really care - but i'm not okay with making both cases at once and pretending they're the same case.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:30 (seven years ago)

Did someone do that? I don't know if anyone did that.

― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:36 (seven years ago)

ftr I'm ok with whatever its just joeks and ilx conversations

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:36 (seven years ago)

Yeah it doesn't seem like you guys are even disagreeing!

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:37 (seven years ago)

yes that's what happened upthread. i said that it's about who it's okay and not okay to punch and ppl argued that it's just about what is funny.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:37 (seven years ago)

maybe i misinterpreted idk

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:38 (seven years ago)

I can't remember that but this threads been awful busy

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:39 (seven years ago)

idk Mordy, the problem, for me, is that finding those distinctions really interesting, and important to parse out, just seems irrelevant and weird in the actual reality we're living in, where the only comedians demanding freedom from this "social control" and requests that they "censor" themselves are the asshole bro comics telling rape jokes. i mean that's the actual real context in which the word, usage, and phrase that annoys the shit out of you comes from. so why die on this hill, what's so ethically important to you about making sure the lines are really clear between making a universal description of all comedy and an ethical claim about what kind of jokes people should tell?

anyway, it's like, look: nobody who says "rape jokes aren't funny, punching down isn't funny" means "no audience laughs at rape jokes, no audience laughs at jokes that punch down" - obviously tons of audiences do! comedians make a lot of money telling rape jokes! the people asserting "they aren't funny" are asserting this after having lived through being surrounded by people laughing at them. they know they are "funny" in the sense of jokes that fly in birmingham.

it seems like you're imagining them po-facedly setting it forth as laugh-getting advice - "young comic, let me tell you a trick of the trade - never tell a rape joke, they never get a laugh with any crowd, you'll be dying of flopsweat on stage!" - when ime that is never how this claim has been delivered at all. "punching down is not funny" is a shorthand for a lot of things, yes, a theory of humor that does include a set of ethical claims. if i read you right, you find that shorthanding to be offensive, or you're bothered by it being sort of sloppy rhetorically, but for me it feels like, sure, sloppy rhetoric is annoying, but if attacking it puts you on the side of the rape comedians, again, what is really motivating you to be there going to bat against the sloppiness?

slogans and mottos always compact a lot of claims together. that this one has spread and found an audience and helped people express an inchoate feeling they had about comedy is, imho to be celebrated, because it is about reclaiming comedy as a space for all kinds of groups and people. i for one cannot stand going to stand-up nights for precisely the reasons West articulates, you basically are going to get at least one creep bro dude telling nasty punching-down type jokes at some point in the program, and it's alienating and it's uncomfortable and the world is less funny for all the great comic voices that have been pushed out by this. imho.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:48 (seven years ago)

(one thing that is funny: loss of capitalization when i switch from posting on phone back to desktop. sigh.)

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:49 (seven years ago)

i don't think it's just "asshole bro comics" who have concerns about political correctness and comedy. again if someone's argument is "rape victims have suffered enough for their sake let's just not make jokes about rape" i think it's a very sensitive + empathetic argument (tho one that maybe is wrongly applied in comedy where transgressions + taboo busting are necessitated). it's an honest argument for sure. but the punching up / punching down rhetoric is not just limited to one particular case. it's a way of forcing an entire political context onto a field that should be primarily concerned w/ what makes ppl laugh, not what people + groups are okay or not okay to offend, or who really holds power in society (something that every good foulcauldian knows is a fluid + messy dialectic - not some equation that can be proven on a blackboard). what it leads to is a place where it's "okay" to "punch" cishet white men and pretty much no one else - which btw has had political consequences as well as now cishet white men are pretty sure they're a legitimate identity group w/ self-interests and idk i can't imagine how that could possibly go wrong.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:07 (seven years ago)

again there is nothing remotely transgressive about a dude joking about rape. it is like a pledge of allegiance to established power structures. cis het white men are already pretty sure they're a legitimate identity group with self-interests (#MAGA), that is why they/we get so fucking defensive about this.

and again your claim of what this "entire field" "should be primarily concerned with" is also a political and ethical claim. i think you recognize this but you're not always writing as if you do. imho we are both advancing political and ethical claims and i think contesting those is sort of a valid thing to use language for. so this word/usage/phrase does not annoy the shit out of me.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:11 (seven years ago)

comedy should be about making ppl laugh is some kind of claim but i'm not sure what kind of "political and ethical claim" it is. if i say that woodworking should primarily be about making quality wood products is that also a political and ethical claim? and if you live in a society where it's looked down upon to make rape jokes, then it sure is transgressive about making a joke about it. it sure as hell is transgressive telling racist or sexist jokes in particular crowds. it might not be funny or a good idea, but if there's a culture of taboo around it then it's transgressive.

― Mordy, Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:15 (seven years ago)

Prince William making fun of 4Chan trolls. Punching up or down?

Ilx making fun of Bannon through jokes about his appearance in a body shaming way. That specific route is punching more down I think, because it probably hurts people in general more than it hurts him. And yes, I laughed at the body shaming jokes, shame on me.

Ilx making fun of Michael Flatley's appearance in a way it reflects his supposed douchiness. punching up or down?

I approve of Prince William making fun of 4Chan trolls as long as he doesn't make fun of perceived physical inadequacy or social inadequacy itself. It must be social inadequacy via douchiness.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:29 (seven years ago)

if i say that woodworking should primarily be about making quality wood products is that also a political and ethical claim?

It is if you're defending people building guillotines on the basis that their craftsmanship is good.

― emil.y, Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:30 (seven years ago)

if i say that woodworking should primarily be about making quality wood products is that also a political and ethical claim?

yes! of course it is! e.g. one could say, alternatively, that "woodworking should primarily be a means by which the woodworker can make a decent living" or "woodworking should primarily be a ritual of giving and receiving the gifts of nature" or "woodworking should primarily be a means of getting the greatest number of useful wood goods to the greatest number of people." or any number of other things. some of which might align, some of which might conflict. people throughout history have argued over this - ruskin, for example, would not agree with the home depot company over what woodworking should primarily be about.

anyway you didn't just say "comedy should be about making people laugh," you said it should be primarily concerned with making people laugh, which indicates that other priorities might be in play, and opens a space where one can assert "these other priorities should be given more weight, such that at times the combination of these other factors might override the concern with making people laugh." basically i think it's actually a really forceful, and not at all self-evident claim to declare what a whole field is "primarily concerned with" or "really about" or whatever.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:30 (seven years ago)

put another way, the use of "should" moves us from a descriptive claim ("comedy is a vocation that involves people making other people laugh") to a normative or prescriptive one ("comedians should have the following priorities") and once we're in that space, it's contestable precisely around the things that go after "should," which makes it ethical/political.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:33 (seven years ago)

This is a good discussion about the tyranny of humour

Should note that there is the dr-casino-noted origin of punching up/punching down as a concept, the aims and sentiments behind this origin, the deployment of same in idk possibly useful ways depending on yr outlook on these things then varying degrees of pureness of same thru many gyres and filters until someone of middle-class public school extraction is using it on ilx the way that Mordy describes

So there's that, too

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:21 (seven years ago)

will this infinite jest ever end

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

You tell us

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:29 (seven years ago)

if i say that woodworking should primarily be about making quality wood products is that also a political and ethical claim?

Feel like this comparison would be more germane if there were people out there carving offensive bas reliefs all over the tables they're crafting and defending them on the basis that the finished product is still perfect for family dinners and card games.

― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:29 (seven years ago)

Feel like not tbh

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:30 (seven years ago)

hey

calm thyself

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:35 (seven years ago)

It is if you're defending people building guillotines on the basis that their craftsmanship is good.

― emil.y, Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:30 AM (one hour ago)

if they make guillotines specifically for hanging babies and small children, then they are not only great craftspeople, but they are doing the lord's work.

― sarahell, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:07 (seven years ago)

making guillotines to use on the nobility is beheading up, making them for commoners is beheading down

― President Keyes, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:13 (seven years ago)

The same guillotine used for either purpose is either a good or a bad guillotine regardless

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:16 (seven years ago)

xxp look if i pay for a handcrafted guillotine and all it does is hang people, I want my money back. Heads in baskets or no deal.

― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:17 (seven years ago)

It just seems weird to me that comedians are being used as shorthand to talk about what jokes are okay and what is funny. And obviously people will laugh at different things in public, in the company of strangers, than in private, with segregated groups in public being an odd middle ground.

Are most of the jokes you hear in the context of a comedy performance? I mean, I'd imagine that most experiences of humor and comedy are in the context of friends, family, co-workers - not public comedians.

― sarahell, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:19 (seven years ago)

What jokes are ok conversation != What is funny conversation and I'm as yet unclear as to whether either is the punching up/punching down conversation tbh

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:20 (seven years ago)

The Simpsons "punched down" all the time and its widely considered one of the funniest shows ever made so there

― frogbs, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:23 (seven years ago)

Richard Spencer getting punched was funny, but I think that was a straight ahead shot, not up or down

― sarahell, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:24 (seven years ago)

I only punch down to hit smurfs

― President Keyes, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:25 (seven years ago)

you're not allowed to call them that.

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:30 (seven years ago)

i don't care if they're black, white, or blue ...

― sarahell, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:34 (seven years ago)

I believe the politically correct term is 'testicles'.

― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:37 (seven years ago)

One smurf can call another smurf "smurf," but otherwise Neanderthal is right.

― gin and chronic (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:41 (seven years ago)

Only if the smurf calling the other smurf smurf is of a lower smurf caste iirc

― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:44 (seven years ago)

physical abuse is never the answer regardless of how you do it and to whom you're doing it to if you ask me

lots of sexists, classists and racists on ilx tbh

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:53 (seven years ago)

no rockists though

― President Keyes, Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:54 (seven years ago)

I would punch the shit out of a rock, tbh.

― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:55 (seven years ago)

Rockists need to start their own country because they are drowning in the new age with no one to save them but themselves.

― the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:52 (seven years ago)

What the hell is going on

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 7 July 2017 06:22 (seven years ago)

Trayce otm

― wtev, Friday, 7 July 2017 06:25 (seven years ago)

"it is what it is."

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 9 July 2017 23:15 (seven years ago)

especially at the end of the day

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 9 July 2017 23:30 (seven years ago)

"this click could change the rest of your clicks"

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Sunday, 9 July 2017 23:40 (seven years ago)

To be fair...

― wtev, Monday, 10 July 2017 06:49 (seven years ago)

I don't like "bucket list" anyway, but I really, really hate it when people use it in the context of "stuff I want to do this summer." (i.e. I just saw someone post on FB about their "2017 bucket list.") The entire original context was STUFF YOU WANT TO DO BEFORE YOU KICK THE BUCKET.

― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 10 July 2017 13:52 (seven years ago)

Interesting discussion about comedy.

I think I'm on board with Mordy's point that we shouldn't confuse 'whether this joke makes us laugh' with 'whether we should laugh at this joke'. (Have I parsed this properly?)

What seems to be hovering in the background is the idea of the 'sick joke' - a type of joke we shouldn't laugh at, but which we will have to laugh at, because it's inherently funny. I'm wondering if such a perfectly funny joke exists - one that's guaranteed to make us laugh. Or whether the actual physical thing of laughing, the literal movement of muscles and mouth on picking up a joke through the ears, etc, whether what will cause that is not inherent but relative.

^ Terrible phrasing there but that's about as close as I can get to what I wanna ask.

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 10 July 2017 15:34 (seven years ago)

It seems like a crucial thing to try and work out if we were going to make a decision about how, when and where people should laugh, if there should be penalties for laughing at any point, and so on. Because if some things just make all humans everywhere laugh involuntarily then ... but if on the other hand human laughter is programmed/(re)programmable, then ...

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 10 July 2017 15:37 (seven years ago)

That joke is in the first category

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 10 July 2017 15:38 (seven years ago)

If there is a third category, it's the joke that mainly makes us laugh because we know it is in the second category

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 10 July 2017 15:38 (seven years ago)

We thought the banana peel gag was universally funny until we thought about the implications of imperialism.

― President Keyes, Monday, 10 July 2017 16:46 (seven years ago)

It's been mentioned already but I keep seeing "virtue signalling" everywhere now and it seems to mean "not being a cunt".

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 10 July 2017 21:02 (seven years ago)

no, it means ostentatiously demonstrating that you are a "good one" for the appreciation of others. pretty much all callout culture is "virtue signaling" since yelling at someone on twitter has yet in history to produce any effect beyond self-aggrandizement.

― Mordy, Monday, 10 July 2017 21:12 (seven years ago)

Uh think you'll find Gandhi yelled at Britain on Twitter that time embarrassed 4u

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 10 July 2017 21:25 (seven years ago)

as a phrase it can be used correctly and incorrectly but it should be useful for everyone. virtue signalling can noise and distraction to a the forwarding of cause. it may prompt a response from the other side that will be equally as aggressive. it can be counter productive to a real honest open dialog.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 10 July 2017 21:33 (seven years ago)

I've been seeing it recently as the newest version of calling someone a social justice warrior.

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Monday, 10 July 2017 22:50 (seven years ago)

I'm kind of amazed "woke" hasn't been taken away by the alt-right and firmly associated with them yet.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 July 2017 22:58 (seven years ago)

It's so ridiculous and delicious that the right probably think it's best left where it is I'd say

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 10 July 2017 23:01 (seven years ago)

lol I see "woke" more often used as a term of mockery than sincerity

― Mordy, Monday, 10 July 2017 23:07 (seven years ago)

'Woke' has lost all sincerity, if it had it to begin with, a long time ago

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 10 July 2017 23:12 (seven years ago)

I've never seen "woke" used positively. Not even in the way people will call themselves a social justice warrior jokingly.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 July 2017 23:33 (seven years ago)

I've been seeing it recently as the newest version of calling someone a social justice warrior.

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Monday, 10 July 2017 23:50 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is of course what I was talking about but thanks for patronisingly explaining what it means like I'm some kind of fucking moron.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 06:52 (seven years ago)

You noticed that too.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 07:15 (seven years ago)

Well, sorry, that wasn't what I meant at all. Apparently I am stupid.

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:21 (seven years ago)

Sorry doo dah, that wasn't directed at you!

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:41 (seven years ago)

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2016/07/woke-baes-bracket

― nachismo (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:45 (seven years ago)

the right has definitely seized on "virtue signalling" in the uk, to the point of it being almost unusable if you don't want to seem like someone aligned with them. do feel we need a phrase to describe some of the egotistical humblebrag attempts at progressive behaviour that twitter throws up. the amount of, for example, creepy male feminists patronisingly praising women all day or even retweeting posts that bemoan the behaviour of men - that's a pretty good example - someone acting as if talking a lot about other people's suffering means they aren't a member of a privileged group of society. which isn't to say don't talk about it but maybe don't assume you're part of the solution, imo.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:55 (seven years ago)

to the point of it being almost unusable if you don't want to seem like someone aligned with them

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:55

I hate how much of an issue this has become. People have become way too presumptuous. Just going back a few years ago I see people using all sorts of terms that they wouldn't touch today, not because they're horrible but because the shitty right uses them more.

"Cuck" is about the only recent term that makes me fairly confident the person using it is a total jerk if they're using it unironically.

Wokebraggery is the best I've come up with.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:26 (seven years ago)

But really, it's probably best if all these standard insults are avoided.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:28 (seven years ago)

Everything becomes tarnished so quickly and Donald Trump will be calling people "woke" eventually.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:35 (seven years ago)

do feel we need a phrase to describe some of the egotistical humblebrag attempts at progressive behaviour

in fact, the left invented just such a phrase. it is "politically correct". good luck finding any gentle self-deprecation ever among left-ish political bedfellows that that will not be weaponized immediately by the whining entitled hordes of right-wing bullshittery

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:35 (seven years ago)

why doesn't this work the other way, you ask? why doesn't the left have this facility for turning the right's self-deprecation on itself? because they are not reflective enough to deprecate themselves in the first place!

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:37 (seven years ago)

There's "cuckservative" but that's complaining that some conservatives are too liberal and its completely disgusting.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:45 (seven years ago)

because demonizing the right and their methods is too useful. it provides a boogeyman to market during election cycles. it helps avoid self-reflection on how the left is complicit in an oppressive system. it promotes the divide and conquer mentality. a bunch of other reasons too.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:46 (seven years ago)

there are many factional disputes in conservatism, with lots of hilarious newly coined words used to described enemies, but since they all look like the same assholes to me (us) it's hard to discern.

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:48 (seven years ago)

"describe"

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:48 (seven years ago)

"Cuck" is about the only recent term that makes me fairly confident the person using it is a total jerk if they're using it unironically.

Wokebraggery is the best I've come up with.

yeah i mean maybe it's different but in the uk recently i've seen people use "virtue-signalling" to denounce those highlighting the injustice of the grenfell tower fire, among other watershed uses. i feel the same way about "social justice warrior" - there are mild and frivolous instances of people behaving in a silly manner in the name of social justice but if ever i hear "social justice warrior" in person the discussion the user is instigating quickly starts to spiral into other faintly alt-right places, like shades of men's rights or whatever.

what scares me about this is i've noticed it in some ostensibly normal friends of friends types who come across as left-leaning, and it's like wherever they get their news and info all this damaging coded language is creeping in, and they themselves seem to have no idea that the person across the table this codes as alt-right, or on the spectrum towards it.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:21 (seven years ago)

It seems a bit harsh to judge people as alt-right fellow travelers for using descriptive terms that have been co-opted by jerks in some cyberrealm they are probably unaware of.

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:28 (seven years ago)

That's part of why I think some are too presumptuous about people who use some of these terms. There's a lot of people who don't have all this context and don't spend much time online to get all these developments.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:31 (seven years ago)

yeah fair enough, it's less judging them as that more just a sense that some of the views behind some of those who use those terms had sort of seeped into the person alongside the terms.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:41 (seven years ago)

is virtue signalling just moralising?

― ogmor, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:45 (seven years ago)

It's a social climbing display of it

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:47 (seven years ago)

feel like there are a few difft things in play here - - - there have always been left bros who want to stroke their own egos by showing off how leftward and woke they are, and the internet has made this more visible/easy, and now there are new names for that. okay fine. but that's kind of different tho from saying that all "callout culture" is pointless BS. there are lots of legit reasons to call out bullshit and shitty behavior that are not reducible to "i want to stroke my own ego" or "i think this will lead directly to change of the thing i am calling out." to be clear, as with some of this other stuff, afaict very few published uses of "callout culture" are not pejorative strawman articles whose authors are contemptuous of the groups/communities/movements under discussion in the first place.

idk it seemed like a bit of a leap from topic A to topic B but i don't really want to devote myself full-time to defending recently-emergent social justice practices from the charge of political correctness gone mad.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 15:42 (seven years ago)

iiuc, "virtue signaling" is changing your Facebook profile to pink or rainbow or tricoleur or whatever, but otherwise changing exactly nothing. It is a thing; not sure it needs to be called precisely that.

― nachismo (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:36 (seven years ago)

afaict very few published uses of "callout culture" are not pejorative strawman articles whose authors are contemptuous of the groups/communities/movements under discussion in the first place.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:42

It's difficult to really gauge any of these things. There are thousands of online communities and it's hard to take anybody's word for how bad or how exaggerated a problem is.

Woke douches are a problem but I'm less worried about them than the really vicious bullies that use a good cause to excuse their actions. They're fewer and further between than alt-right trolls but they can have a chilling effect on communities.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:45 (seven years ago)

Ye Mad Puffin- I wouldn't say putting on a rainbow profile counts for nothing but virtue signalling is supposed to be a more obnoxious display, like some person taking every opportunity to tell you how many black and gay friends they've got.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:50 (seven years ago)

there are lots of legit reasons to call out bullshit and shitty behavior that are not reducible to "i want to stroke my own ego" or "i think this will lead directly to change of the thing i am calling out."

????

― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:53 (seven years ago)

if you're not doing it to effect change and you're not doing it to stroke your ego why are you doing it???

― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:53 (seven years ago)

I think Doctor Casino was describing those who act as if their criticisms will deal out a killing or penultimate blow to a problem.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

in reviews: "one of the pleasures of..." this novel/movie/album/restaurant.

― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:03 (seven years ago)

too lofty and grand-sounding, just get to the point

― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:04 (seven years ago)

if you're not doing it to effect change and you're not doing it to stroke your ego why are you doing it???

― Mordy, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:53 AM (nine minutes ago)

getting laid, avoiding being called out as complicit/silent on a subject, looking busy at work

― sarahell, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:10 (seven years ago)

the first 2 are for sure virtue signaling!!!

― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:23 (seven years ago)

Would be funny if someone's whole online persona was just the result of trying to look busy at work.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

@ Mordy - your original statement was pretty much all callout culture is "virtue signaling" since yelling at someone on twitter has yet in history to produce any effect beyond self-aggrandizement. I did add "directly" to suggest that there might be indirect paths to change through verbalizing and articulating why something is not okay. because otherwise one might as well say "going to the anti-trump inaugural protests was only about ego since yelling at a president on park avenue has yet in history to produce any effect beyond self-aggrandizement." like obviously there are all kinds of "effects" going on there, like a group of people affirming to each other that they are not alone, building interpersonal connections (or phatic infrastructure, to borrow from julia elyachar) that lead to other kinds of organizing/resistance/whatever, or just conjuring up a very visible and strong symbol to others not in attendance that the trumpist narrative is not the only one, etc. etc. i could be wrong but i feel like you'd probably be with me on protest participation in this sense, so the emphasis on "producing any effect" seems odd to me.

but you've also sort of blurred together "callout culture" and "yelling at someone on twitter" which means we're already within an oddly delimited version of calling-shit-out - the only way to call shit out is to yell at someone on twitter? really? but even if we're just talking about virtual spaces though, calling shit out can do all kinds of practical work that's not directly related to making the person who's being bad stop doing what they're doing. for example, it might be a way of reaffirming the shared values of a community for the benefit of new arrivals. like if FlamePoster69 shows up here and starts swearing in all caps and flaming people, other people taking the time to post "hey that's not cool" or "i'm flagging FlamePoster69's post, this is not the kind of board where we do this kind of thing," rather than just letting it pass or trusting that the mods will delete anything really offensive... it may not cause FlamePoster69 to knock it off, but maybe a lurking 13-year-old, reading this exchange, is learning what's good and bad etiquette here. i might be biased by my own life experience here - i was talking about this on the gamergate thread a while ago i think, how helpful it was to me to read stuff like this as i was first getting online in 1992, 1993, oh okay there are these things called 'flames' and the respected members of this community are saying 'don't do this.' flash forward to the present day, post-gamergate, and yeah i do think it's very important that people don't sit by and let things go un-called-out in fan communities, it's an important way that new 13-year-olds learn that not only is harassment Not Okay, but also that behaviors X Y and Z which would not have occurred to them to be harassment, might be on that continuum.

those are just examples close to my experience, and virtual ones (to fit with your "twitter" thing), but there are other, real-world spaces where this is much more pressing and urgent, not just about campaigning for certain behavioral norms but about establishing real safety, e.g. in kink communities where establishing some standards around consent and safe practices, and calling out sketchy/creepy/assaulty behavior is a tool available to actually protect people from real harm, by giving them a heads up that a given event's moderators are really lax about safety and screening or whatever. that's a space where physical intimacy/vulnerability kind of ups the potential for people to be in danger but maybe that could be put on a continuum with lots of other kinds of spaces where it's good to have some guideposts for your own safety.

or maybe a much much more mild version is, you're at an organizing meeting and there is a cis dude there being just terrible, interrupting everybody, shutting down non-cis-dudes' ideas with sexist language or something. (note, i've probably been on the continuum of that-cis-dudeness at points in my life.) there are tons of ways of handling something like that that are going to depend on diplomacy, people's relationships, the vibe in the room, the overall mission of the organization, whatever, but i don't think it's inherently wrong or purposeless or ego-based to take the approach of calling it out, whether in that room or on the listserv later, for the same reasons as you call out the flaming newbie poster. because otherwise you let it slide and the bad shit becomes the norm for the group, shutting things down and pushing all kinds of people out of the picture. to critics this probably looks like "policing" but i mean if a group or community has any hard limits on its values ("no racist hate-mongering is permitted") then some degree of "policing," even through informal and voluntary action, is inevitable and not inherently problematic.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:30 (seven years ago)

Calling out behavior in smaller communities can serve useful purposes but doing it on Twitter doesn't. Also I said "pretty much all" which I hope admits rare examples where it can be useful. But tbph 99% of the "call outs" I've seen over the last decade have been entirely about virtue signaling and had nothing to do with a) cleaning up the space or b) changing hearts + minds.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:38 (seven years ago)

personally i am extremely skeptical of the effectiveness of more "helpful" or dialogic approaches to "calling out" online. sure irl in a face to face setting you may be able to have such conversations and they may be fruitful etc. but online is just not the medium (well social media, blogging etc. emails may be more useful i suppose if you're carrying on a personal correspondence with someone).

the political and online are both inherently agonistic basically, the only alternative to "virtue signaling" is quietism

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:47 (seven years ago)

(which is why people should realize that online isn't anything and if they want to be politically engaged they should do it irl)

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:49 (seven years ago)

but back to ronan's point - virtue signaling is used all the time on uk internet to decry any leftist saying anything remotely left-wing - recently saw someone complain about virtue signaling when someone was bemoaning the high rate of sexual violence in glasgow for instance.

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:53 (seven years ago)

fwiw, as my own contribution to the norms of this board, I think it might be a happier and more fun space if this thread remained the preserve of complaining about "yumsies" etc, and those folks who are recurrently annoyed by "political correctness" etc take it to one of the several crypto-conservative threads where these arguments have already been hashed out. but this is only my opinion.

but I'm glad Mordy concedes that when he says pretty much all callout culture, he actually only means stuff he's personally seen on twitter.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:02 (seven years ago)

pretty sure when the person above complained about "virtue signaling" they were complaining about people who are "recurrently annoyed by 'political correctness'" but if u include them in yr critique then i don't disagree

― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:06 (seven years ago)

i just want to add one thing re this idea that these neologisms criticizing the left are fouled by their prevalent use on the right: the left in 2017 engages in a lot of bad faith, destructive and shitty behavior. a lot of it is about ostracization, thought policing, social targeting, shibboleths, and virtue signaling. some of it is useful! but a lot of it is toxic and self-destructive. getting rid of the terminology used to describe it, bc u don't like some of the ppl who criticize the left, isn't going to fix the problems. just bc the right has found a handy club with which to blunt their historical political opponents doesn't mean the club is fake.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:10 (seven years ago)

but (sorry, that posted before I was done and probably looks a little snarkier than intended), I also don't think it's self-evident that things posted on twitter or elsewhere online don't serve any of these same useful purposes, or other ones. citation needed for that. again I think virtual communities like ILX or various video game fandoms might be totally appropriate spaces for calling shit out. would the gamergate situation have been the same, or better, if all the people criticizing harassment or speaking up for the victims had just stayed silent?

since these are the real examples that come to mind maybe I do get a little touchy about this, because in that saga, the people complaining about "SJWs" and "virtue signalling" were on the side of unrestricted harassment under the pretexts of concerns about ethics in video game journalism, and the "virtue signallers" and out-callers were those trying to let the victims know they were not alone, and let the harassers know they did not define the hobby or the community. i'm not imagining you on the side of the bad guys here, to be clear, but these are my own anecdotal reference points.

anyway though 99% of everything posted on the internet/twitter is crap, and I wouldn't conclude, from seeing crap music criticism on twitter, that music criticism is pretty much all rotten.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:11 (seven years ago)

sorry to derail here, back to the "yumsies" but my friend just got cancelled on for a show and this was the intro text:

"Hiiiiii so I've got bad newwwwws"

uh yeah

― Unchanging Window (Ross), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:38 (seven years ago)

What's the difference between 'calling out' and 'criticism'? Is criticism virtue signaling?

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:20 (seven years ago)

You can criticize someone in private. I think most people have found that if you want to get a positive impact from criticism you should do it in private and in very soft, kind tones. Callout culture is angry public denouncement.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:24 (seven years ago)

as we're recycling old conversations I should point out again that every major social movement has had moderates tell them they were putting ppl off with their strident tone

― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:53 (seven years ago)

has every major social movement been criticized for being nasty spiteful jerks tho?

― Mordy, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:05 (seven years ago)

On original topic - Juno probe's view of the Great Red Spot occasioned the programme director to use the atavistic "up close and personal", upon which I discovered my 90s/00s rage against that phrase is intact.

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:09 (seven years ago)

xp .... almost certainly?

― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:19 (seven years ago)

Yeah idk about that ducking criticism behind "we are just too great our detractors are the reactionaries of history" isn't too great a look esp when there's evidence that you suck sitting right there like jacobins don't get to say sure the pile of heads but all of history the movers get backtalk

― Mordy, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:22 (seven years ago)

I'm not an activist but it's still obvious to me that a lot of discourse around social change follows predictable patterns & moderates telling radicals they'd have more luck and be more persuasive if only they'd be nicer is one of them. the politics of civility is obviously fraught (cf. plenty of ilx threads about rudeness, FP &c.) partly because it is another arena in which the same old class/political antagonisms are fought out in another guise. I think there is something gross and harmful in the crude trigger-happy piety that call-out culture can be at its worst, but the real social and political gulfs that it exposes seem like the more important issues to focus on

― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:06 (seven years ago)

It's probably been upthread and on other threads but I'm really sick of people using "experts" as a dirty word. It's one of the ones that bothers me the most.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:26 (seven years ago)

I can never take that word seriously after the experts exchange website

(it was an early google search optimized site for IT-related questions but their original domain was, no shit, expertsexchange.com)

― mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:28 (seven years ago)

the politics of civility is obviously fraught (cf. plenty of ilx threads about rudeness, FP &c.)

imo, ilx discourse on rudeness and the existence of FPs has little to do with politics and everything to do with personal rudeness that rises to the level of disgusting savagery. iow, the verbal equivalent of spitting or pissing on someone, and usually over opinions that are never on the order of neo-Nazism, white supremacy or similar causes that might justify such raw abuse.

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:36 (seven years ago)

OK, so I'm biassed because I have (almost) consistently received highly qualified and accurate answers from E-E experts. Of those that were not quite so accurate or satisfactory, part of the blame was attributable to me not being specific enough in the way I structured my question.
That brings me to my point. If you ask a question poorly, then expect a poor answer.
Ask a question about horticulture in the equine care forum, and you will get pretty poor answers.

― sarahell, Thursday, 13 July 2017 09:34 (seven years ago)

xp that sounds political to me! the people who oppose FP obviously do not see it just in terms of personal rudeness. etiquette and behavioural norms are politically & socially charged, that's implicit in your idea that it might be ok to break decorum for political reasons under some circumstances.

― ogmor, Thursday, 13 July 2017 12:20 (seven years ago)

You can criticize someone in private. I think most people have found that if you want to get a positive impact from criticism you should do it in private and in very soft, kind tones. Callout culture is angry public denouncement.

Okay, but then should we not bother to post here and discuss articles in newspapers that analyse and critique government policies, etc? As in, you'd agree that there's a something else that is neither private personal criticism (agree this is the way to get a person to improve) nor public twitter callouts?

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:09 (seven years ago)

as we're recycling old conversations I should point out again that every major social movement has had moderates tell them they were putting ppl off with their strident tone

Yus

But also to open this one out a bit - e.g. - abolitionists would break into private property in order to free slaves; moderates of the time would criticise them for them going so far in following their ideals that they broke the law; looking back on it the slavery was clearly so bad as to more or less handwave the breaking and entering of slaver's plantations in order to end it and also it wouldn't have ended without direct action. I don't know what would be the equivalent of actually breaking into plantations to free slaves, for today's callout culture?

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:13 (seven years ago)

What I'm saying is, sure, almost every social movement got tone-policing from moderates, but that tone-policing looks silly in proportion to how much those movements actually achieved. Whereas if the twitter callouts don't achieve anything (I have no idea if they do! I don't know enough about it to say) then mebbe the tone critique is more valid?

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:15 (seven years ago)

xxpz Correct. Those are not the only two options. Criticizing powerful public figures in the press or whatever is a different beast entirely.

― Mordy, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:18 (seven years ago)

Shot, chaser

― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:19 (seven years ago)

I... worked on this story for a year... and he... he just tweeted it out

― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:19 (seven years ago)

Sooooo, I wrote a thing :)

― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:19 (seven years ago)

I'm thinking now that a lot of the problem with some of this terminology today is that it's not specific enough, maybe doesn't have enough additions and variants.

You get people essentially saying

"It's only political correctness when I don't like it"

"It's not cultural appropriation when I think it's okay"

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:37 (seven years ago)

"tone police"

Essentially anything that means "it's ok when I do it"

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:46 (seven years ago)

flappy bird getting back to the core, the heart usage

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:02 (seven years ago)

Yeah 'Tone policing' may be a loaded term itself I guess.

Overall, feels like having good control of tone is a great skill, definitely something to try and get locked down if you want to achieve anything, but also maybe something that can be very difficult, considering the varied nature of the 'audience' even when the audience is just another person face to face, and more so when the audience is online (millions of readers all with their own tendencies); and so the expectation that people express themselves with precision and an ear for how it's going to go over may sometimes be questionable imo

All that said I don't disagree that an awful lot of twitter callouts (that I've seen around anyway) have been pretty cloth-eared

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 14 July 2017 14:03 (seven years ago)

(Although the large number of people who with great reliability come out with reactions such as 'Black lives matter? What about white lives, why are you saying white lives don't matter???' 'Women's rights, what, don't men have rights???' are themselves heading into supremely cloth-eared territory, no?)

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 14 July 2017 14:05 (seven years ago)

flappy bird getting back to the core, the heart usage

they always stick me in the appendix because they don't think i'm the pretty one

― flappy bird, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:02 (seven years ago)

"My arms and wrists are numb." God would people just shut the fuck up already?

― billstevejim, Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:44 (seven years ago)

Thats a phrase?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 15 July 2017 08:13 (seven years ago)

Don't forget "my face and lips are numb."

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:17 (seven years ago)

i'm old and am sick of political neologisms in the first place. oh, if we use new words maybe people won't notice that they're the same fucking ideas and we don't have to address the problematic implications of those ideas!

more political discourse should be framed in reference to issues surrounding the defenestration of prague. and that's my uncool conservative idea.

― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:34 (seven years ago)

my mouth is dry
my face is numb
fucked up and spun out in my room
on my own, here we go

― assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:34 (seven years ago)

How much is Twitter responsible for the current political terminology? I wish people would only use it for links and signal boosting because I hate trying to work out if people are complaining about white women or Wonder Woman (WW acronym).

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:22 (seven years ago)

it all comes from Twitter

― flappy bird, Sunday, 16 July 2017 02:22 (seven years ago)

an abridged collection:

BOOM!
#NotTheOnion
Shot; chaser
I'm just going to leave this here...
(((if you're Jewish)))
Sigh
Your long read for the day:

― flappy bird, Sunday, 16 July 2017 02:29 (seven years ago)

BOOM!
Shot; chaser

What do these mean? Is the first one just for humorous dramatic effect?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 16 July 2017 03:25 (seven years ago)

yes, "humor"

― flappy bird, Sunday, 16 July 2017 03:28 (seven years ago)

at least an attempt at it

― flappy bird, Sunday, 16 July 2017 03:29 (seven years ago)

"nothing burger"

― Number None, Sunday, 16 July 2017 06:08 (seven years ago)

that one is bizarre because it came out of a specific cable news channel, MSNBC iirc. their attempt to "get on the same page" like Fox does with every issue & talking point...

― flappy bird, Sunday, 16 July 2017 20:21 (seven years ago)

I'm at the point where I cant follow what is being said sometimes - and I'm someone who is on the internet 94/7 - but because I dont fuck with Twitter/Insta I think i'm missing this weird "thing becomes a saying after 5.2 seconds" idea.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:40 (seven years ago)

lol i love "94/7" intended or not. gonna use that one if you don't mind

― flappy bird, Monday, 17 July 2017 01:32 (seven years ago)

Its an old ILXism actually!

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 July 2017 01:47 (seven years ago)

(or maybe not but back in the day Ally and co used it a lot and it stuck with me)

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 July 2017 01:47 (seven years ago)

sick, it rules, it's in the lexicon

― flappy bird, Monday, 17 July 2017 01:49 (seven years ago)

"i'm screaming"

― Neanderthal, Monday, 17 July 2017 01:51 (seven years ago)

OMFG yes that gives me hives, that one.

NO. NO YOU ARE NOT SITTING THERE SCREAMING AT YOUR PC/PHONE. YOU JUST AREN'T.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 July 2017 04:23 (seven years ago)

(and if you are, get help, nothing online is that hysterical)

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 July 2017 04:23 (seven years ago)

also the insane abuse and misuse of "literally" before and after it was modified in the fucking dictionary

― flappy bird, Monday, 17 July 2017 04:30 (seven years ago)

Man, if I hear/see 'Winter is coming' one more time...

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 17 July 2017 06:09 (seven years ago)

fucking otm, it's like we're all supposed to care about game of thrones

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 17 July 2017 06:16 (seven years ago)

i feel that way about whovians so ymmv

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 July 2017 07:28 (seven years ago)

yes but the world isn't soaking with constant "the daleks are coming" pissweak memes

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 17 July 2017 07:55 (seven years ago)

Exactly

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 17 July 2017 09:48 (seven years ago)

You have to take into account that got is far far better than droo

nb never watched nor read got

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 17 July 2017 10:05 (seven years ago)

<brand OR product OR politician OR sports team> Nation

e.g. Ford Nation, Fox Nation, Sens Nation, Trump Nation, Truck Nation

― jmm, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:43 (seven years ago)

shrinkflation

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 17 July 2017 23:00 (seven years ago)

Carnation

http://www.auntyflo.com/sites/default/files/styles/contentpage/public/Carnation.jpg?itok=C3kvtbuh

― didgeridon't (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 July 2017 23:08 (seven years ago)

Basically any nicknames for Trump, including the ones frequently used on this board: Two Scoops, Yam--whatever those even refer to. You cannot clown Trump's name. It is self-clowning.

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:03 (seven years ago)

an abridged collection:

BOOM!
#NotTheOnion
Shot; chaser
I'm just going to leave this here...
(((if you're Jewish)))
Sigh
Your long read for the day:

― flappy bird, Saturday, July 15, 2017 10:29 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― marcos, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:16 (seven years ago)

add to to the list: "my latest:"

― marcos, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:17 (seven years ago)

also "a twitter play in three acts"

― marcos, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:17 (seven years ago)

basically twitter sucks and it makes me hate people

― marcos, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:17 (seven years ago)

Basically any nicknames for Trump, including the ones frequently used on this board: Two Scoops, Yam--whatever those even refer to. You cannot clown Trump's name. It is self-clowning.

"Cheeto Jesus"

Gun, meet mouth.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 20:03 (seven years ago)

"i'm dead" or "dead" or any variation of such when attached to like a cute or funny pic/meme

― circa1916, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 20:12 (seven years ago)

deej posted "dead" this morning on a thread about an up-and-coming young rapper and I assumed she had tragically passed away.

― how's life, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:00 (seven years ago)

"Your long read for the day:" is especially infuriating because it's so infantilizing, the "long reads" in question are usually no more than 5,000 words, if that.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:07 (seven years ago)

when someone i hardly know/don't know tells me a 5,000 word article is the only piece of any length i need to read for the whole day, that's a guarantee that i will not read it

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 23:33 (seven years ago)

"Adult Beverage"

― p.j.b. (pj), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 23:45 (seven years ago)

y'all must REALLY hate social media

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 23:52 (seven years ago)

Holy shit, just discovered that the publishing industry has apparently adopted "pbook" to mean "printed book". Fuck that shit

― Dan I., Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:05 (seven years ago)

Jesus

― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:09 (seven years ago)

make my book the pbook

― President Keyes, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:12 (seven years ago)

"Adult Beverage"

― p.j.b. (pj), Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7

I've been fighting this battle for years. It's my Antietam.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:14 (seven years ago)

"a drink" referring to that is so perfect that i don't know why anyone would use anything else

― marcos, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:17 (seven years ago)

"A bridge too far"--CNN must have used that 15 times in two hours yesterday in connection with Spicer's resignation (basically, "After all the humiliation, why was Scaramucci's appointment a bridge too far?").

― clemenza, Sunday, 23 July 2017 23:49 (seven years ago)

The media generally are lazy like that. We had 2 Greens senators resign within a week due to dual citizenship fubars, and no joke, about 15-20 media outlets quoted Wilde's "To lose one [senator] may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.” in the space of 24 hours on TV, print and twitter.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 24 July 2017 01:42 (seven years ago)

'mansplaining'

an ugly portmanteau that's getting overused and just means condescending.

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 24 July 2017 14:00 (seven years ago)

Perhaps you need someone to womansplain it to so you can manderstand.

― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 24 July 2017 14:02 (seven years ago)

Wait theres a mansplaining now?

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 24 July 2017 14:22 (seven years ago)

I find most uses of the term 'mansplaining' are themselves condescending. I suppose the user of it could say they are only fighting fire with fire. my own feeling is that doing the exact same thing you say you despise is not a good way to stop that thing from happening.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 July 2017 18:08 (seven years ago)

"mansplaining" has been so oversaturated for a long time now, I was in a coffee shop and a woman was correcting her coffee order and explaining it (politely) to the female employee. after she was done, she said "sorry for mansplaining to you." ............

― flappy bird, Monday, 24 July 2017 18:21 (seven years ago)

haha

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 24 July 2017 18:32 (seven years ago)

A true mansplainer never apologises.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Monday, 24 July 2017 18:39 (seven years ago)

How do you drown a mansplainer? In a "well, actually..."

(Companion joke: How do you drown a hipster? In the mainstream.)

― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 24 July 2017 19:10 (seven years ago)

lmao

― flappy bird, Monday, 24 July 2017 19:23 (seven years ago)

Hear about the hipster burnt his tongue etc etc

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 24 July 2017 19:53 (seven years ago)

admittedly

― assawoman bay (harbl), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 00:53 (seven years ago)

I will confess that I like that one.

― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 01:05 (seven years ago)

'On here' to describe participation in a social media platform, rather than 'here'.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 09:51 (seven years ago)

Mansplaining mainsplaining - from the archives:

Mansplaining is when men explain things for women, instead of letting them have their own agency and explaining things themselves. In that sense Sherlock's final summation was a perfect example of it, because it was inexplicable why the women couldn't explain their scheme and motivation themselves, and this being inside Sherlock's dream is no excuse, because Watson still had plenty of agency there... Unless the point of that scene was to expose Sherlock's inner sexism, but it didn't really read that way.

Also, Aimless' "what if the genders were flipped" excuse doesn't really work, because mansplaining is about the difference in power positions of genders, so a woman can't mansplain, just like a white Westerner can't be a victim of racism.

― Tuomas, Monday, 4 January 2016 20:14

― Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 11:37 (seven years ago)

Can I just get a steer on yr purpose for posting that before I reflexively fp

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 11:54 (seven years ago)

itt: old white men shout at language for having the audacity to change

― emil.y, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 12:34 (seven years ago)

Old!

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 13:19 (seven years ago)

emil.y otm

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 13:30 (seven years ago)

Not only are they WHITE, they have also lived too many years!

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 13:50 (seven years ago)

from what I can observe/have been told by ppl in my life who are not cis men, "mansplain" caught on because it is useful and described/crystallized a real thing that they had repeatedly experienced but for which there was not a word. so that seems like a good expansion of the language to me. but I probably seem like a bot on this thread at this point. and yes I recognize the potential irony of this post possibly constituting mansplaining itself. and also I have no idea of abanana's gender! but c'mon, this word is a functional one.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 13:58 (seven years ago)

Why would you seem like a Bot?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 13:59 (seven years ago)

Might be restricted to my family and our circle of farmers but so many of them use "doubt" to mean "probably".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:02 (seven years ago)

re: Botness, I just feel like a few months ago the thread's tone/priorities shifted a bit and i am now almost weekly on here defending some neologism associated with the young left, tumblr feminists, gender nonconformity, "SJWs" or whatever other shadowy figures of how The Politically Correct Kids Are All Too Sensitive, But Really I Am Just Offended Because Words Have Precious, Precious Meanings, Honest That's All That Bugs Me etc. to be fair to ilx I am bringing a lot of baggage to the table from dumb shit I see in comments threads elsewhere on the internet. and I probably seem like a broken record, or a bot.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:06 (seven years ago)

I'd have to check, but I think most of the whining I do on here has to do with internet-specific language.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:08 (seven years ago)

I'm pretty miffed at how the definition of mansplaining has changed since Shakespeare's time.

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:09 (seven years ago)

so many of them use "doubt" to mean "probably".

I've never heard of this. How is it used?

― jmm, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:12 (seven years ago)

I think most of the annoyance here is about words and phrases (and memes) used endlessly on social media that may have been clever or meaningful the first hundred or so times but now seem like the sped-up equivalent of someone at work saying "Well, Isn't that Special" or "Not that there's anything wrong with that" everyday for ten years and still thinking it's hilarious.

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:13 (seven years ago)

JMM- "I doubt it's going to rain today" means "it's probably going to rain today".

Has the alt-right changed mansplaining and now feminists are afraid to use it for fear of looking misogynistic?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:19 (seven years ago)

If you gave a million sensitive young ppl a typewriter and ten years they'll ultimately produce the works of tumblr.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:20 (seven years ago)

@ President Keyes - I could understand that I guess, just all the experience I have with "mansplain" is in situations like a friend on facebook venting about some asshole customer that was mansplaining how to do their job. like the actual reason the word caught on. i have seen two, possibly three posts like that this week from friends, and none of the "well isn't that Special?" variety so maybe I am in some weird bubble but idk.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:22 (seven years ago)

Emancipatory complaining.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:26 (seven years ago)

sigh

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:27 (seven years ago)

JMM- "I doubt it's going to rain today" means "it's probably going to rain today".

Come again?

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:38 (seven years ago)

i was irked by this recent piece https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/goops-misogynistic-mansplaining-hit-job/amp/ which uses it despite no obvious sexism from the man, just idiocy and greed.

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:41 (seven years ago)

it goes beyond condescension into "how dare you threaten my money, FLAME ON"

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:45 (seven years ago)

Suddenly I never want to hear "adjacent" or "-adjacent" ever again.

― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 14:49 (seven years ago)

I think most of the annoyance here is about words and phrases (and memes) used endlessly on social media that may have been clever or meaningful the first hundred or so times but now seem like the sped-up equivalent of someone at work saying "Well, Isn't that Special" or "Not that there's anything wrong with that" everyday for ten years and still thinking it's hilarious.

Used to work with someone who when you asked him how are you, would reply "not three bad". Unfailingly.

― wtev, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:06 (seven years ago)

x post dmac

For my own entertainment mostly in revisiting a slightly ludicrous meta-example of mansplaining.

― Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:18 (seven years ago)

I think there's a thing where 'masplaining' is used in twitter(and other social media) to basically means something like "no backsies x infinty", as this way of preemptively categorising any and all disagreement with your position as illegitimate - and this is part of why it can irk? (I think this technique of constructing elaborate reasons why all disagreement with you is automatically bad and wrong is something all "sides" do on social media, it's not specific to social justice language, but a lot of people's exposure to social justice jargon comes primarily from when it's being used in this way, maybe?)

― soref, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:31 (seven years ago)

"think there's a thing where 'masplaining' is used in twitter(and other social media) arguments" that should say

― soref, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:31 (seven years ago)

JMM- "I doubt it's going to rain today" means "it's probably going to rain today".

Come again?

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:38

When my family members or people who work with them says "I doubt those pipes need changed" it means "those pipes probably need changing".

I don't know how far this extends.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:37 (seven years ago)

Dr c is a good poster and not a bot and I say this as at least a member of the perceived sjw haterz on ilx and itt

Luna that is a good clarification and ftr I will now not fp that important cultural post

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:24 (seven years ago)

shucks. thanks.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:58 (seven years ago)

Dr. C can you click the squares with traffic signs on them?

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 19:16 (seven years ago)

"We can/can't have nice things" is awful

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:04 (seven years ago)

The word balm used to describe music.

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:07 (seven years ago)

Is there a word for the verbification of nouns and not-verb phrases and whatnot? I mean, I'm complicit as anyone cuz I say "Google it," but most of the time it makes my skin crawl. Today's example, from the big Adobe press release:

"...Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash."

No. I hate this.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 26 July 2017 14:35 (seven years ago)

that's a weird non-euphemism I must say. 'kill off' would actually be better

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 14:37 (seven years ago)

I think it has a specific meaning-- a little different than end-of-sale or end-of-service

― President Keyes, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:03 (seven years ago)

People in my world sometimes say "deprecated."

― okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:04 (seven years ago)

Verbification is common in corporate jargon. it's also a naturally occurring English language thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_(word_formation)#Verbing

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:52 (seven years ago)

RAG that is a well attested regional variation in the UK: in shropshire where I grew up the older country people absolutely use "doubt" just as you describe

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:01 (seven years ago)

i like it, but i like nearly everything that ppl hate on this thread, basically everyone is allowed on my lawn

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:02 (seven years ago)

that is so weird.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:03 (seven years ago)

the doubt thing, i mean

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:03 (seven years ago)

Thanks,I didn't think anyone would follow up on this one. It can't considered a correct usage surely? Maybe it goes back a very long way?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:06 (seven years ago)

If it performs its function, then it's a correct usage imo. I'm just curious whether it ever causes confusion.

― jmm, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:09 (seven years ago)

i've never heard the doubt thing and i can't really get my head around it -- is it supposed to be like ironic/sarcastic? bc it seems to mean the opposite of what it is saying?

― Mordy, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:09 (seven years ago)

herefordshire too (from the 19th century): http://www.melocki.org.uk/MelockiWords.html (scroll down to "doubt")

i'm p sure i remember my dad saying it was more widespread than just shropshire, but i don't now remember if he meant it spread beyond the agricultural west midlands

not sarcastic at all: straightforwardly used as per the example in the link

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:13 (seven years ago)

We're around Glasgow so it has to be quite widespread then.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:20 (seven years ago)

do u think maybe it started as "i don't doubt" and the "don't" fell out?

― Mordy, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:29 (seven years ago)

SOED says the verb "to doubt" had a secondary form meaning "to dread", "to fear", "to apprehend" or "to suspect", already poetic in the 19th century, now archaic (example: "They doubted some sinister motive", History of the Reign of Ferdinand and Isabella, the Catholic, Volume 2, William Hickling Prescott)

the example in the herefordshire wordlist does actually suggest a negative tone: "there'll be more wet, i doubt" meaning "there'll be more wet, i fear" (though it translates it as neutral: "there'll be more wet, i think")

can't now think if the times i noted it (all from one person, a very rural old farmer who lived nearby) back that up, or if it really did just drift towards "i believe"

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:39 (seven years ago)

I've never heard this doubt thing before, weird

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:44 (seven years ago)

Yeah, neither have I, sounds like a more rural usage than Glasgow, maybe Ayrshire?

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:47 (seven years ago)

Verbification is... a naturally occurring English language thing.

Yeah lots of people see an instance of new verbing and they're like HORRID CORPORATE NEOLOGISM THAT MUST BE STOPPED.

But even a casual look through OED at dates-of-entry for words you currently know and love will show that you use thousands of verbed nouns AND nouned verbs every day.

― okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:56 (seven years ago)

Tom D- It's the rural areas around greater glasgow. My brother will like this, it's always drove both of us nuts.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

Bordering glasgow

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:00 (seven years ago)

Yes, sounds like a rural Lowland Scots thing.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:06 (seven years ago)

never heard this doubt thing either and my parents are from glasgow

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:08 (seven years ago)

I used to hear similar things in Paisley, a lingering Ayrshire/rural Renfrewshire influence before its disappearance into Glaswegian. (xp)

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:09 (seven years ago)

yer man scott (walter) is another of the examples the SOED gives: "i doubt, i doubt, i have been beguiled" from chap.7 of the antiquary (which is set near edinburgh in the late 18th century)

(the antiquary looks quite good, it is full of gothic ruins and has a german villain called douster-swivel)

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:11 (seven years ago)

Bordering Glasgow

I see what you did.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:11 (seven years ago)

I don't. Please tell me.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:12 (seven years ago)

do u think maybe it started as "i don't doubt" and the "don't" fell out?

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:29 PM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It def feels this way, "no doubt" with "no" having disappeared through the ages

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:13 (seven years ago)

"border" is a noun that was verbified long ago and now feels natural and normal

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:16 (seven years ago)

That I didn't know.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:18 (seven years ago)

i realise no one is reading my boring SOED posts but they p much prove that this *isn't* caused by the "no" or the "don't" dropping out: a now-archaic usage of doubt to mean "fear" or "suspect" has survived in rural areas, possibly undergoing a slight drift towards the more neutral "believe" (but i suspect still with an undertone of anxiety)

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:21 (seven years ago)

I am reading them avidly and you're right.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:24 (seven years ago)

Definitely a bit of fear in a lot of the usages I hear. I guess that's why I used rain and pipes as examples.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:26 (seven years ago)

This tops my instigation of the "brick shithouse" discussion (or at least I think I started that one).

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:31 (seven years ago)

some people use "I doubt" in that sense in Donegal

― Number None, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 19:04 (seven years ago)

"doubt" as drift of older meaning makes total sense to me, tho i don't think i've heard it used in the wild. pretty sure a similar thing happened with "prove" where there was an older meaning that meant "to test out", roughly, and this is the origin of the phrase "proof of the pudding" - it originally meant "the test of the pudding", not "proof" in the current evidential sense

― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 19:12 (seven years ago)

https://www.603copywriting.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/calvin-and-hobbes.jpg

― koogs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 19:34 (seven years ago)

calvin is correct, hobbes is wrong

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 19:49 (seven years ago)

sounds like a more rural usage than Glasgow, maybe Ayrshire

Nope.

― everything, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:35 (seven years ago)

some people use "I doubt" in that sense in Donegal

That would make sense.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:33 (seven years ago)

can someone put this doubt thing in a sentence

― assawoman bay (harbl), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:47 (seven years ago)

"I doubt it's going to rain," which in this bizarro Scotland area means "It's probably going to rain"

― jmm, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:52 (seven years ago)

also donegal and old-days rural shropshire and herefordshire

(interesting that it's all borderish-type territories, i wonder if that's relevant) (tho donegal only really borderish a bit too recently maybe)

― mark s, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:57 (seven years ago)

Donegal full of Scots obv

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:03 (seven years ago)

oh yeah, my grandmother does things like that, say stuff that means the opposite of what it sounds like. from ireland not donegal though

― assawoman bay (harbl), Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:07 (seven years ago)

there is a comma missing i know donegal is in ireland

― assawoman bay (harbl), Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:08 (seven years ago)

shropshire and herefordshire don't have so many scots but substitute the welsh maybe

(william hickling prescott mentioned above was from salem in massachussetts, so in his case maybe substitute witches idk)

― mark s, Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:10 (seven years ago)

Donegal full of Scots obv

Scoti I think you mean.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:13 (seven years ago)

I doubt I dont

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:17 (seven years ago)

"beast mode"

― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 29 July 2017 19:20 (seven years ago)

"nerd boner"

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 29 July 2017 19:48 (seven years ago)

i've only ever heard beast mode in the context of marshawn lynch

― Mordy, Saturday, 29 July 2017 23:18 (seven years ago)

I see a lot of it in You Tube video titles, mostly involving any sport, body building or video games, but also these:

Those 7 Times Neil deGrasse Tyson Went Beast Mode
Best Hard Trap Music Mix 2015 [Beast Mode On]
Malcolm X Goes BEAST MODE On White Liberal!
Activate BEAST MODE on Samsung Galaxy S7 & S7 Edge
Beast Mode Vodka - How to Make Skittles Vodka

― Hideous Lump, Sunday, 30 July 2017 00:17 (seven years ago)

hang on, that last one

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 30 July 2017 00:41 (seven years ago)

christ

https://mixthatdrink.com/skittles-vodka-tutorial/

I'm definitely an accelerationist now

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 30 July 2017 00:42 (seven years ago)

fandango

― estela, Sunday, 30 July 2017 07:07 (seven years ago)

"nerd boner"

Anything boner. "ladyboner" is especially gross.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 31 July 2017 00:49 (seven years ago)

Ugh otm

― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 July 2017 01:01 (seven years ago)

I've made skittles vodka a few times, it's not a bad use of cheap shit vodka. Admittedly I haven't done it for about 16 years. I've made chili vodka a few times since then though.

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 31 July 2017 11:24 (seven years ago)

"folx" instead of "folks" is kind of annoying

― marcos, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:05 (seven years ago)

"Nosh"

sounds like someone just discovered food blogs and now they're some sorta jet-setting restaurant critic

― p.j.b. (pj), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:51 (seven years ago)

it's yiddish

― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:53 (seven years ago)

rmde

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:54 (seven years ago)

"I think lynch meant...."

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:56 (seven years ago)

Οὖτις, is that a new word for readymade?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:59 (seven years ago)

Donegal full of Scots obv

Scoti I think you mean.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:13 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I doubt I dont

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:17 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc donegal is the one place in the republic where "ulster scots" is spoken which i suppose points to a scottish influx back in ye olden imperial days. also lots of scottish people of irish descent are of donegal descent (you can get a bus to donegal weekly from the gorbals) and id imagine quite a few have maintained links.
my great uncle jimmy trudging around a donegal graveyard in the rain looking for his grandparents' graves and not finding them, me not wanting to be a spoilsport and inform him that Harley is an anglicization and it's possible the name might've been there rendered differently springs to mind.

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 20:20 (seven years ago)

Yep

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 20:26 (seven years ago)

iirc donegal is the one place in the republic where "ulster scots" is spoken which i suppose points to a scottish influx back in ye olden imperial days

Do they speak Ulster Scots in Donegal? I mean what is Ulster Scots other than Ulster English with the occasional Scots sprinkled about? There's a definite Scottishness about (some) Donegal accents but maybe that was always there.

also lots of scottish people of irish descent are of donegal descent (you can get a bus to donegal weekly from the gorbals) and id imagine quite a few have maintained links.

Pretty much all of them that I know. Though a lot of those are related, often fairly distantly!

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:41 (seven years ago)

... Scots words sprinkled about, that is.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:42 (seven years ago)

that's a contentious question!

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:53 (seven years ago)

re: nosh

Never tire of revisiting this classic -
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jul/23/mediamonkey

re: Ulster Scots

I believe it is still spoken in a few parts of Donegal (mainly towards the Derry end of things) but I've never encountered it in the wild

― Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 23:13 (seven years ago)

I thought nosh was polari, given the second meaning here

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/nosh

But i guess polari took words from everywhere.

― koogs, Thursday, 3 August 2017 05:23 (seven years ago)

(um, should've read number none's link first)

― koogs, Thursday, 3 August 2017 05:25 (seven years ago)

I have no problem with nosh, but "nom nom" needs to stay out the actual world and stick to cutesy spaces like food Instagram and the Rachel Maddow show.

― President Keyes, Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:17 (seven years ago)

Nosh always sounded annoyingly British to me so I'm surprised it's Yiddish

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:30 (seven years ago)

If something is annoying British it's usually Hindi or Urdu.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:48 (seven years ago)

Thankful that the most popular deli when I was growing up in Minneapolis advertised itself with the slogan 'kibbitz and nosh'.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:50 (seven years ago)

(xp) annoyingly, dammit

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:54 (seven years ago)

I love Yiddish, the words are always satisfyingly full-bodied

― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:07 (seven years ago)

tchotchke is a good yiddish word

― koogs, Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:53 (seven years ago)

kibbitz and nosh, kibbitz and nosh, im gonna get me some kibbitz and nosh

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:53 (seven years ago)

I didn't even know nosh was used in the US.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:54 (seven years ago)

http://s1124.photobucket.com/user/LouFamFun/media/LouFamFun006/IMG_4631_zpsvhgzqpjr.jpg.html

They use it in Kentucky even

― President Keyes, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:09 (seven years ago)

https://www.thebrothersdeli.com

― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:51 (seven years ago)

If something is annoying British it's usually Hindi or Urdu.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:48

Examples?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:02 (seven years ago)

Can't get more British than Blighty!

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:06 (seven years ago)

Actually, there's not as much as I thought, pukka is another one, khazi isn't.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:07 (seven years ago)

bungalow!

― mark s, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:10 (seven years ago)

it's hindi, tho not particularly annoying

― mark s, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:10 (seven years ago)

It is pretty British. I thought a nice cup o' cha, might be from the Raj but it's Chinese, it seems.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:12 (seven years ago)

Nosh always sounded annoyingly British to me so I'm surprised it's Yiddish

This sounds like a lost Mike D. lyric.

― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:14 (seven years ago)

(xp) some say Hindi though.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:17 (seven years ago)

lots of food (inc.curry and chutney) and fabrics (calico) and religious terms (avatar): plus pyjamas, gymkhana, shampoo, juggernaut, pundit, parah, thug, verandah, doolally and jungle!

also chota peg, tho i don't think anyone really says this any more

― mark s, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:31 (seven years ago)

wiki sez cushy, khaki and loot also

― ogmor, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:35 (seven years ago)

Dekko too. I've been misspelling it.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:35 (seven years ago)

Cushty however is Romani. Since I brought up 'pukka' and plunged us into Jamie Oliver territory.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:36 (seven years ago)

other romani words: chav, cosh, nark, pal, shiv, skip (as waste-container), togs… and lollipop!

(some of these arrived via polari)

― mark s, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:50 (seven years ago)

I was using pukka in the tec in achill from 1995 onwards on account of a Dulwich cousin. Never took off.

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:53 (seven years ago)

Mufti, boycott.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:09 (seven years ago)

Think we claim boycott tbh

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:13 (seven years ago)

... and Tory.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:20 (seven years ago)

he's ours now

http://res.cloudinary.com/jpress/image/fetch/w_700,f_auto,ar_3:2,c_fill/http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/webimage/1.8454041.1490208250!/image/image.jpg

― mark s, Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:21 (seven years ago)

Boyce is in my Tories I love list tbh

― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:36 (seven years ago)

Boycs, fucking spellcheck

― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:36 (seven years ago)

"you do you"

a friend said this to me after i disagreed with his assessment that twin peaks should've been 9 episodes instead of 18.

This phrase sucks and is as bad as "live and let live" - the ultimate cop out

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:51 (seven years ago)

even worse "you do you, boo"

― President Keyes, Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:10 (seven years ago)

^ ah that sucks

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:11 (seven years ago)

You do you and live and let live are excellent concepts and reactions to differences of opinion

You may disagree. You do you.

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:20 (seven years ago)

hmm. I usually hear "You do you" in the context of "That's a great hat! You do you, girl."

― President Keyes, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:28 (seven years ago)

Isn't the implicit tag-end of 'you do you...' something akin to '...like a dumb, aberrant clown who amuses me'? It's this season's 'ooooookaaaaaay....'.

― I'm Calling My Loyer! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:34 (seven years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/magazine/how-you-do-you-perfectly-captures-our-narcissistic-culture.html

― President Keyes, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:45 (seven years ago)

Have never heard or heard of 'you do you'.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:50 (seven years ago)

Origins in African American vernacular so not widely heard in the UK

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:52 (seven years ago)

interesting the article focuses on the positive aspects of "you do you". It strikes me as a way to abruptly end discussion, another form of "agree to disagree".

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:57 (seven years ago)

but sure it could probably be used in many contexts

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:57 (seven years ago)

Nothing inherently wrong with ending a discussion based on difference of opinion tho

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:00 (seven years ago)

yeah, for sure

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:01 (seven years ago)

I've always thought of it as a melding of "You go girl" and "let your freak flag fly." Did not know it had this "Let's agree to disagree" function as well.

― President Keyes, Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:04 (seven years ago)

You didn't know that? Well, all I can say is you do you, bruh. You. Do. You.

― I'm Calling My Loyer! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:08 (seven years ago)

I only say it if the activity is odd but harmless. My son runs through the room with underpants on his head. I'm like, "you do you."

But if he's putting his sister's arm in the food processor it's more like "Stop that right now."

― okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:20 (seven years ago)

erases/erasure

― Mordy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:01 (seven years ago)

one of my old friends uses the phrase "poops" as a noun to describe an individual bathroom visit.

one example, she posted her weight online and in the discussion, said "after poops, I think I'll be at 105".

I blame the Impractical JOkers

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:37 (seven years ago)

Jesus

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:33 (seven years ago)

that sucks

― billstevejim, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:19 (seven years ago)

why is she posting her weight online?!?!?

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:44 (seven years ago)

it was one of those exercise/fitness milestone posts

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:44 (seven years ago)

still
that sounds problematic

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:46 (seven years ago)

more so than 'poops'

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:46 (seven years ago)

lots of people who are starting a fitness regimen like to post things like that in a means of saying "look how far I've come", I don't begrudge them. though I see your point w/ the potential for people on social media to harass people over such posts

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:49 (seven years ago)

I do not hate the indian and romany words mentioned upthread - these are good words usages and phrases

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:54 (seven years ago)

Anyone who discusses their toilet habits on the internet needs to examine their life, I would think.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2017 06:04 (seven years ago)

(and yes I dont need to be reminded of the existence of threads here such as "most unacceptable thing to ever come out of your arse", thanks very much)

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2017 06:04 (seven years ago)

seems very weird to say "after poops I'll be <this weight>" since everybody in the world knows weight fluctuates by a few pounds throughout the day and can connect the (stinky) dots

― Neanderthal, Friday, 11 August 2017 06:16 (seven years ago)

A lotta people review their colonics on Yelp. I don't pretend to understand it, but the negative reviews are often good for a laugh

― Josefa, Friday, 11 August 2017 06:46 (seven years ago)

Oh good lord.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2017 06:51 (seven years ago)

I think I've heard "For shits and giggles" one too many times.

― billstevejim, Friday, 11 August 2017 18:12 (seven years ago)

lots of people who are starting a fitness regimen like to post things like that in a means of saying "look how far I've come"
maybe but if you are STARTING your fitness regimen at 105 lbs and aren't like 3 feet tall, there may be cause for concern

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 11 August 2017 18:14 (seven years ago)

Or if you're 150lbs before poops

― President Keyes, Friday, 11 August 2017 18:16 (seven years ago)

I don't remember what her actual weight was

― Neanderthal, Friday, 11 August 2017 18:42 (seven years ago)

Lol President

― Neanderthal, Friday, 11 August 2017 18:43 (seven years ago)

"muh"

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Saturday, 12 August 2017 13:04 (seven years ago)

"cuppa tea". Either say "cup of tea" or "cuppa" but to say "cuppa tea" is just wrong
WHO'S WITH ME?

― kinder, Sunday, 13 August 2017 10:57 (seven years ago)

otm

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 10:59 (seven years ago)

"cup of" only if a saucer is involved

― wtev, Sunday, 13 August 2017 11:14 (seven years ago)

mugga

― mark s, Sunday, 13 August 2017 11:18 (seven years ago)

^^^this wd please the shit out of me tbh

― mark s, Sunday, 13 August 2017 11:19 (seven years ago)

Turkey absolutely piss on England in annual per capita consumption of tea, so I wish shit comedy writers on R4 + dickheads like Rees Mugga would stop presenting it as something quintessentially English. Everyone knows in the UK only the Scottish actually grow any tea, and it costs a bomb and tastes like pish.

― calzino, Sunday, 13 August 2017 11:28 (seven years ago)

I'm from the West of Scotland, we don't pronounce the word 'of'. Nonentheless, 'cuppa' seems very 70s, see below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw6qxDPmOGM

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 11:59 (seven years ago)

"and so on and so forth", i.e. I don't know what to say next but please hold the line while my Celeron brain buffers the next sentence

― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 13 August 2017 12:34 (seven years ago)

A new low

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 13 August 2017 12:35 (seven years ago)

Turkey absolutely piss on England in annual per capita consumption of tea, so I wish shit comedy writers on R4 + dickheads like Rees Mugga would stop presenting it as something quintessentially English. Everyone knows in the UK only the Scottish actually grow any tea, and it costs a bomb and tastes like pish.

Cornwall grows some

― wtev, Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:11 (seven years ago)

"great"

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:26 (seven years ago)

Very specifically, the "great" in "great britain"

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:26 (seven years ago)

Very very specifically, as uttered by the vapid pondscum procured by british television to offer what might laughably be excused as analysis or commentary on sporting events in which british athletes compete

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:29 (seven years ago)

sorry, "compete"

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:29 (seven years ago)

The original usage is fine, just means the biggest island of the British Isles, sounds fair enough. The use of it to describe everything as the "Great British Whatever" really puts my teeth on edge though.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:31 (seven years ago)

It's the ringing declamation aspect in the specific offered

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:34 (seven years ago)

"Cornwall grows some"

there ought to be laws against those inbred racists selling foul tasting tea with union jack type marketing for 30 quid a fucking box!

― calzino, Sunday, 13 August 2017 19:41 (seven years ago)

Did someone itt just assign a ukness to cornwall

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 20:39 (seven years ago)

http://d25hqtnqp5nl24.cloudfront.net/images/products/11/LN_598377_BP_11.jpg

― calzino, Sunday, 13 August 2017 20:46 (seven years ago)

The original usage is fine, just means the biggest island of the British Isles

That's all it's ever meant.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 21:39 (seven years ago)

(xp) The Cornish should be up in arms about that, what's this 'England' shite?

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 21:40 (seven years ago)

That's all it's ever meant.

Yes. But let me introduce you to thousands of cutesy products and services that apparently have a different idea. (I haven't seen GBBO so dunno if that should be included)

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 13 August 2017 21:51 (seven years ago)

Oh, I know, "Putting the Great back in to Great Britain" etc, ugh, anyone saying that should be strung up.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:00 (seven years ago)

the great in GBBO always referred to the bake-off IMO, tho now of course it refers to paul hollywood's treachery

― mark s, Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:09 (seven years ago)

any country with the prefix "Great" has major psychological problems imo, like when Eddie decided he was henceforth actually an Eagle.

― calzino, Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:12 (seven years ago)

I hear Great Missenden is pretty crazy tbf.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:19 (seven years ago)

"doggie" as an insult

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 05:10 (seven years ago)

"Antifa" instead of "antifascist" seems like the same sort of inane infantilism of political language that gave us gems like "Brexit", etc

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 06:09 (seven years ago)

came here to post 'healing', but I can see it was posted a couple of months back. Lots of new-agey wellness and healing retreats and workshops being advertised round here, but the people going on them don't appear to be injured.

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:13 (seven years ago)

did you expect bloodied and bruised people to go to a healing retreat?

― ogmor, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:24 (seven years ago)

seems like the same sort of inane infantilism of political language

more accurately -- and historically -- it derives from what it is: the abbreviation of the 30s german movement antifaschistische aktion, according to the usual precepts* of german shortening of very long somewhat tongue-twisting terms (which german is somewhat prey to)

*ie that you string together bits of the words into something memorable, as opposed to just using acronyms

(on the whole i think abbreviations are good not bad -- useful rather than infantile -- but i'm a sub-editor so i professionally favour moves that bring down unneeded word- and letter-count: in my opnion writing that rigourously sticks with the full long-form versions of wordy terms will be unreadable, certainly less read)

(grexit -- the parent-word for brexit -- was apparently coined by citigroup economist ebrahim rahbari: as neologisms and jargon from within the finance industry go, it is a good deal clearer than many)

― mark s, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:30 (seven years ago)

lol i can see a way of losing a letter in the word "rigourously" *sigh*

― mark s, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:30 (seven years ago)

Antifa the word isn't a problem

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 10:44 (seven years ago)

antifascism annoys the shit out of you

― conrad, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 10:51 (seven years ago)

Mild irritation, we don't have a thread for that tho

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 10:53 (seven years ago)

"Opposing fascism is bad" really a challop for a Friday no

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:01 (seven years ago)

jk rowling obituary thread is ilx's longstanding king of the reactionary challop doesn't matter which day of the week

― conrad, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:04 (seven years ago)

"That will be 'just' £4.75"

'Just? Its not the Ritz! Whats this 'just' thing, its everywhere, you can't just put a 'just' in front of the price and it makes it ok!

― saer, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:15 (seven years ago)

xp u said it etc

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:29 (seven years ago)

we should give a medal to the marketer that coined the phrase "radical self-care"

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 21:38 (seven years ago)

It just seems that the word Antifa draws attention away from the fact that it's fascists you're fighting, when that needs to be pointed out very clearly and frequently

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 August 2017 00:50 (seven years ago)

It is also one letter away from Antifap

― President Keyes, Thursday, 17 August 2017 01:43 (seven years ago)

"good things come to those who wait"

what the fuck is this

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 17 August 2017 02:04 (seven years ago)

If you stop waiting at any point then it resets and you have to start over from the beginning.

― jmm, Thursday, 17 August 2017 02:14 (seven years ago)

two weeks pass...

'like marmite' to mean divisive

― koogs, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:33 (seven years ago)

I love 'like marmite'

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:27 (seven years ago)

"Wonk"

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:28 (seven years ago)

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:29 (seven years ago)

Wonk is better/more meaningful when you realise it's 'know', backwards.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:16 (seven years ago)

I think it should be changed to "wonkers."

― Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:17 (seven years ago)

sreknow the terrible

― Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:20 (seven years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/08/09/adams

― conrad, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:25 (seven years ago)

"<name>, go home, you're drunk"....

― Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 06:39 (seven years ago)

"<city>, i am in you"

yes, it sounds like you're fucking a municipality, we get it

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 September 2017 10:42 (seven years ago)

hangry.

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Friday, 8 September 2017 11:11 (seven years ago)

Self care

― joygoat, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:59 (seven years ago)

self care is a real thing!
it means taking care of yourself

what else do you want people to call it?

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 12:53 (seven years ago)

sure beats PAMPERING
i loathe the word pamper

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 12:54 (seven years ago)

it's also not the same thing as caring for oneself

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 12:54 (seven years ago)

self care is a real thing!
it means taking care of yourself
what else do you want people to call it?

Masturbation.

― Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 September 2017 13:19 (seven years ago)

nothing wrong with that either

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 13:27 (seven years ago)

la lechera otm not sure what else to call it!

― marcos, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:39 (seven years ago)

it may be overused but "self-care" is a useful term

― marcos, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:40 (seven years ago)

super useful, and important in shifting us OUT of the language of "pampering" which infantilizes yourself when what you want is a word that conveys that no, fuck you, attending to these needs is genuinely important to my emotional well-being and I am consciously in control of that project.

― Doctor Casino, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:45 (seven years ago)

imo it's irritating when used as a "do things that will give me immediate gratification" placeholder

that is a very small piece of the puzzle and I do find it irritating when used that way, although I am also not qualified to judge how other may best care for themselves

― mh, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:49 (seven years ago)

pamper and spoil can both gtfo as ways to indicate "treat yourself well"

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:49 (seven years ago)

cleanse
detox
the cult of splendor and cleanliness will implode someday and all we will have left is the relatively benign "self care"

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:50 (seven years ago)

I have no argument with the sentiment and agree that it's a relatively benign and accurate term on its own; it also is much better than any of the alternate phrases used here - detox, pamper, spoil, etc.

I just started seeing it very suddenly and frequently, often used to excuse something indulgent and/or for immediate gratification (not that there's anything wrong with it), and in a public, performative manner, like "look how BUSY I am all the time, time for some self care" that feels martyr-ish and attention-seeking to me.

― joygoat, Friday, 8 September 2017 17:16 (seven years ago)

if so, it's the performance that annoys, not the word
fight the real enemy!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 18:03 (seven years ago)

acceptable under the second world of the title imo

― ogmor, Friday, 8 September 2017 18:24 (seven years ago)

word, rather

― ogmor, Friday, 8 September 2017 18:25 (seven years ago)

alright i'll buy that
glad we've cleared this up

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 September 2017 18:33 (seven years ago)

Tinkle (only when referring to pee)

― Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 19:08 (seven years ago)

la lechera OTM re self care

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:24 (seven years ago)

Every usage ive seen of self care has made me want to claw out eyeballs

Other than that im glad people find it useful

― President Keyes, Saturday, 9 September 2017 02:42 (seven years ago)

I posted "radical self-care" upthread. I'm sure it had some kind of legitimate origin, but it almost implies that not neglecting yourself is, in itself, political, rather than maybe just one of many prerequisites to being effective politically.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 9 September 2017 02:56 (seven years ago)

audre lorde thinks not neglecting yourself is political

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7pq0dXQZ1qzyo7n.jpg

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 9 September 2017 04:08 (seven years ago)

if i had a son i would, for as long as it took, instruct him on the very simple difference between a dress and a skirt. i would not launch him into the world not knowing this.

― estela, Saturday, 9 September 2017 06:26 (seven years ago)

No dressing around the issue

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 09:01 (seven years ago)

I didn't post it to this thread, but I have given in and started using 'puppers' to refer to my dogs. Someone I know and respect used it about a month ago and inside I was so mad at her. Then, this morning it just slipped out while I was putting the dog food down and I guess now I'm over my hatred.

Upthread Phil D mentions 'doggo' which I will remain steadfastly against.

― how's life, Saturday, 9 September 2017 11:03 (seven years ago)

It's a slippery slope

― Moodles, Saturday, 9 September 2017 12:20 (seven years ago)

HAMM: Did you get him?
CLOV: Looks like it. (He drops the tin and adjusts his trousers.) Unless he's laying doggo.
HAMM: Laying! Lying, you mean. Unless he's lying doggo.
CLOV: Ah? One says lying? One doesn't say laying?
HAMM: Use your head, can't you. If he was laying we'd be bitched.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 September 2017 12:30 (seven years ago)

I posted "radical self-care" upthread. I'm sure it had some kind of legitimate origin,

i think i may have posted it too. mine was in response to a Broad City article where they were fighting back against the horrible political apocalypse we live in by buying shit

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 September 2017 13:54 (seven years ago)

doggo, pupper, all of it drives me batty

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:28 (seven years ago)

Watching educational youtube videos with my kid, I have to say that the new usage of "myth" to mean "thing which is basically true but hey I'm going to impress you by telling you some minor nuanced or that some experts say it is slightly different" drives me up the fucking wall.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:43 (seven years ago)

Not to put too fine a point on it, people use affectionate nicknames for those they love and dogs are not excluded from this process. But just as it is faintly disgusting to hear "sweetie-kins" or "sugar pie" used aloud in a public space, people saying "puppers" ought to have the decency to use it only within earshot of their beloved.

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:03 (seven years ago)

audre lorde thinks not neglecting yourself is political

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7pq0dXQZ1qzyo7n.jpg

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, September 8, 2017 11:08 PM (fourteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I think I remember this now and it's in the context of the idea that when society wants to oppress you, push you down and destroy you, even caring for yourself is fighting back. I think. Like many things that come out of radical political theory it filtered down into the twittersphere and seems like it became a buzzword for soft college kids who can't even. Like people asking each other what their self-care routines were and including stuff like massage and fancy teas, where it's just hard to believe that that's what Lords meant. But I guess you never really know who someone is from twitter so maybe it's better to give them the benefit of the doubt.

That also reminds me of another thing that occurred to me recently about the left and twitter, which is that the left has this bad tendency to take terms from academia and use them (often not that well) in everyday discourse that doesn't really make for good messaging.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:02 (seven years ago)

some ppl I know who use it on twitter etc. are survivors of abuse or other trauma, who are not public about that, tho some of their readers are friends who will know the context for the self-care point. so yeah, not assuming too much abt ppl online is as good a point as always.

― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:39 (seven years ago)

good messaging (!)

― ogmor, Saturday, 9 September 2017 20:12 (seven years ago)

I'm getting annoyed at myself for using "Thanks for the heads up" too often in emails at work. "Thanks for the advance notice" sounds awkward, and "Thanks for the warning" sounds sarcastic, but I haven't come up with another option besides those three.

― Hideous Lump, Monday, 11 September 2017 00:48 (seven years ago)

Thanks

― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 00:52 (seven years ago)

or if it’s really about the timing, “thanks, I needed this for X meeting next week”

― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 00:53 (seven years ago)

if i had a son i would, for as long as it took, instruct him on the very simple difference between a dress and a skirt. i would not launch him into the world not knowing this.

I sell clothes for a living, and I work with someone who I am not entirely sure knows the difference between the two.

― tokyo rosemary, Monday, 11 September 2017 03:04 (seven years ago)

idk it’s not that difficult, sheesh

― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 03:23 (seven years ago)

it's easy

dress is what you do to a turkey

skirt is a kind of steak

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 September 2017 04:03 (seven years ago)

skirt is what you do around a topic

a dress is what you don't do to the topic

― thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Monday, 11 September 2017 07:48 (seven years ago)

if i had a son i would, for as long as it took, instruct him on the very simple difference between a dress and a skirt. i would not launch him into the world not knowing this.

― estela, Saturday, 9 September 2017 06:26 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No dressing around the issue

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 09:01 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 08:02 (seven years ago)

skirt is what you do around a topic

a dress is what you don't do to the topic

― thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Monday, September 11, 2017 7:48 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tho

― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Monday, 11 September 2017 12:38 (seven years ago)

I had something for this thread yesterday and now I've forgotten what it was.

― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Monday, 11 September 2017 12:38 (seven years ago)

it's easy

dress is what you do to a turkey

skirt is a kind of steak

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, September 11, 2017 12:03 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

― marcos, Monday, 11 September 2017 14:00 (seven years ago)

Ffs

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:04 (seven years ago)

Reminded of a Minneapolis scene legend who was a bit of a perv to local teen girls, but his humour and oddity always shone through:

"This is cotton, that's rayon, these must be ...felt!"

― kim jong deal (suzy), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:22 (seven years ago)

That Dan Perry is incorrigible.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:36 (seven years ago)

"changed the world" or "changed the course of history"
Both wildly overused, and often speciously. Plus, EVERYTHING changes the world. Doing a fart changes the world, if only slightly, and for the worse.

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:51 (seven years ago)

Says you.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:36 (seven years ago)

Hey, look, I rediscovered the wallogina pic earlier today, does that count as changing the course of history?

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:49 (seven years ago)

wallowing changed everything

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:55 (seven years ago)

wallogina changed everything (thank you autocorrect)

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:55 (seven years ago)

wall-o-wing eh? I'd like to catch a little flap of that, if you know what I mean.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:57 (seven years ago)

I'm ashamed to admit that wall-o-wing is basically my fantasy

― Moodles, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 04:47 (seven years ago)

using the word "practice" to make yourself sound rigorous and academic. i.e. instead of art "artistic practice" or instead of theatre "theatre practice"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:37 PM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

worse yet, "praxis" when you can just say "practice"

― marcos, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:32 (seven years ago)

Allahu akhbar

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:32 (seven years ago)

It's everywhere all a sudden

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:33 (seven years ago)

there is a "critical librarianship" cadre in my field and they are all good people, many of them friends, but we don't have to say "archival praxis" come the fuck on

― marcos, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:33 (seven years ago)

i forgot to add to this thread that i was in a meeting with this blatant spoofer recently and someone asked a question about future plans for the thing he's building and he said: "yes that's something we hope to be visioneering soon"

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:35 (seven years ago)

unless he was discussing a renovation of the Figment ride at Epcot that is disgusting

― Mordy, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:38 (seven years ago)

it wasn't like he dared to say it either, it was as if he was saying anything else, just flowed out like sewage

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:01 (seven years ago)

"tweeted out"

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 September 2017 23:58 (seven years ago)

basically fuck every superfluous preposition

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 September 2017 23:58 (seven years ago)

Retcon/retconned. Is Twin Peaks to blame for the resurgance of this? I acknowledge the word serves a purpose, it's just so damn ugly a word. And it seems to be everywhere right now.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:01 (seven years ago)

it has always been omnipresent in fandoms

― Mordy, Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:15 (seven years ago)

Twin Peaks must have been my first brush with the word. Not a comic reader, nor have I been attached to any kind of "fandom". Just think it's an extremely ugly word to use.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:18 (seven years ago)

it's a shitty word but it seems to do the job of no other word ("he totally retconned laura" v "he totally altered laura's continuity retroactively")

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:20 (seven years ago)

I wouldn't know of a better word for what it's trying to convey, it's just such an ugly combination of two abbreviated words merged.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:25 (seven years ago)

repurposed

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:38 (seven years ago)

might work for retcon

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:38 (seven years ago)

worse yet, "praxis" when you can just say "practice"

I had to resist doing this earlier today. My inner critic was a little bit of a dick about it, too

― El Tomboto, Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:43 (seven years ago)

i knew "retcon" from comics internet fandom in the early 90s but my assumption is that it is much older, and most likely comes from star trek. agree that it's ugly and it has this Newspeak quality where it just does not roll off the tongue whatsoever in real life, even if it works very efficiently as a character-saving noun and verb on Usenet. but it does describe something.

― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:47 (seven years ago)

I thought it was from Dr. Who / Torchwood. Shows what I know.

― Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:15 (seven years ago)

'chow down' has to be one of my most hated expressions

― kinder, Saturday, 16 September 2017 07:18 (seven years ago)

In that case you definitely shouldn't watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgAeuQGySw

― JRN, Saturday, 16 September 2017 07:39 (seven years ago)

Twin peaks is more like proactive discontinuity anyway

― streeps of range (wins), Saturday, 16 September 2017 08:02 (seven years ago)

"folx" instead of "folks" in twitter social justice circles is ... annoying

― marcos, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:32 (seven years ago)

Not really a sj thing?

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:35 (seven years ago)

Also just a thing for any ks, cs, cks word

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:37 (seven years ago)

I bought some comix for 50 bux -- an SJW

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:38 (seven years ago)

Engaging with the issues

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:39 (seven years ago)

Not really a sj thing?

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:35 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk i see it used as a common abbreviation too but significantly more among the sj folks i know

― marcos, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:43 (seven years ago)

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2017/05/09/womyn-wimmin-and-other-folx/vjhPn82ITGgCCbE12iNn1N/story.html

― marcos, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:43 (seven years ago)

Maybe in activist circles, they add the x to folx to make it similar to latinx? It would be stupid, because the word 'folks' is already gender-neutral, but pretty much everything is stupid these days.

― how's life, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:46 (seven years ago)

uh, exactly what marcos just posted.

― how's life, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:47 (seven years ago)

do a twitter search for "folx" and it is almost all social justice-oriented tweets

― marcos, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:47 (seven years ago)

That's because it's fucking Twitter

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:47 (seven years ago)

true

― marcos, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:48 (seven years ago)

sleepingbag wrote this on thread Ideas for ILX on board I Love Everything on 20-May-2017

I Love Trump board, for all the folx who love discussing US President Donald Trump every hour of every day

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius) wrote this on thread Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible on board I Love Everything on 20-May-2017

u folx don't take any time off from this? live a little

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:50 (seven years ago)

Literally 1st page of search results, maybe the 2 posters least concerned w social justice

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:51 (seven years ago)

Ahem

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:51 (seven years ago)

Insert inverted commas where necessary obv

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:52 (seven years ago)

A "he" m

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:53 (seven years ago)

legos

afaict this is an american idiocy

― ogmor, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:24 (seven years ago)

^^^^

― Number None, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:26 (seven years ago)

Surely good food procured from a bar can be described as something other than 'elevated pub grub'

― rip van wanko, Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:47 (seven years ago)

partitive "lego" just makes me feel like they're something I can eat

― Dan I., Monday, 25 September 2017 00:46 (seven years ago)

"Gaslighting" whenever used beyond its original meaning. Actual gaslighting requires some kind of close relationship. It's not something the media or public figures do or that people do to public figures.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 25 September 2017 00:53 (seven years ago)

I'd rather "pub grub" than "gastro pub" which is bizarre and makes me think of food poisoning.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 25 September 2017 00:59 (seven years ago)

agreed, gastro is a bit... anatomical

― rip van wanko, Monday, 25 September 2017 03:17 (seven years ago)

Yeah same, it makes me picture a pub located within someone's innards.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 25 September 2017 03:29 (seven years ago)

pub that gives you diarrhea

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 03:33 (seven years ago)

Only mildly annoying, but 31% of all sports highlights nowadays must have an announcer screaming "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" overtop.

― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 03:41 (seven years ago)

Political commentators using the South Park underwear gnome joke. Why did this become a big thing in 2017?

― President Keyes, Monday, 25 September 2017 12:44 (seven years ago)

our culture needs more metaphors for situations with strong action but no clear path to success

― mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 13:59 (seven years ago)

shock and awe

― President Keyes, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:02 (seven years ago)

two weeks pass...

pretty much every Trump alt-name meme is dumb (orange blah blah etc.) but none is more grating or unfunny than "2 Scoops"

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 9 October 2017 21:51 (seven years ago)

agreed

although "Yam" runs it close

― Number None, Monday, 9 October 2017 22:00 (seven years ago)

Honestly "President Trump" is much funnier than anything they can come up with.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:02 (seven years ago)

i always try to say President Trump whenever i can bc i feel like the situation is v serious and we should be v clear about what that situation is

― Mordy, Monday, 9 October 2017 22:07 (seven years ago)

The mind always steers the mouse clicking finger to FP when seeing 'Drumpf', '2 scoops' or 'Yam' (hi Morbs). Fortunately the sole ilxor using 'Turnip' seems to have called it quits.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 October 2017 22:28 (seven years ago)

"this X movie isn't actually a X movie"

ie "this Star Trek movie isn't really a Star Trek movie"

just burn this. it's in the name. it's a pointless argument to make indulgent in its masturbatory consumerism.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 October 2017 13:30 (seven years ago)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/better_life_lab/2017/10/20/please_stop_calling_everything_that_frustrates_you_emotional_labor_instead.html

― President Keyes, Monday, 23 October 2017 13:40 (seven years ago)

Seriously, so tired of doing the emotional labor of reading that phrase everywhere. I'm not going to educate you as to why it's annoying, do the work!

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 14:08 (seven years ago)

it's a dumpster fire of a metaphor, to be sure

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 23 October 2017 14:23 (seven years ago)

haha "emotional labor" is definitely having a moment. i've used it recently but you're right i need to be careful w/ it

― marcos, Monday, 23 October 2017 14:25 (seven years ago)

i've also very tired of "We Need to Talk About X" in sj clickbait headlines

― marcos, Monday, 23 October 2017 14:27 (seven years ago)

Lol

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:03 (seven years ago)

ugh my wife sent me an article about 'emotional labor' and I was like this just seems to be a catch all phrase for 'shit that pisses me off'.

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:48 (seven years ago)

IMO "mental load" is a preferable for stuff like "getting the kids onto the school bus" or "worrying about when the car needs to be inspected" or "knowing that the sheets need to be changed" or "filling out all the goddamn field trip forms" and suchlike. Still heavy but less... fraught maybe?

I feel like "emotional labor" is better reserved for situations where you're involved in trying to keep someone together when they are falling apart, or constantly reassuring someone who really wants to tear him- or herself down.

(FWIW in my household I am generally the one who gets up with the kids/makes the lunches/meets the buses/changes the oil/feeds the cat etc., but there are lots of other ways we share the burdens so I think it works out.)

― what if a much of a which of a wind (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:58 (seven years ago)

Lads it's 2017 this phrase has been awful since check your privilege was out of nappies

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

Yeah I think the "mental load" thing is much more useful and specific and very much not a catchall like "emotional labor" is. Mental load is more like the energy it takes to think/worry about all of the things that need to get done to run a household.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:04 (seven years ago)

xxpost Yes, I feel your more restrictive definition of 'emotional labor', YMP. Inasmuch as I've been in that exact place for the last week and change and it is a distinctively different type of labor (the kind where every time I've gotten a break from it I've collapsed into unconsciousness like a narcoleptic).

― The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:05 (seven years ago)

Emotional labour works well as a sociological term, see here for example - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b052jk2s - but I hadn't heard people were using it in this new way before

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:12 (seven years ago)

It seems like a bad fusion of the concept of emotional labor in the workplace and unpaid domestic labor at home.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:23 (seven years ago)

And then that got extended further, even to, like explaining stuff on facebook.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:24 (seven years ago)

Also, maybe this is a little bit bad feminist/not-all-men of me, but I get annoyed when I see women who are basically young, single, healthy, childless, and not taking care of a sick partner or elderly parent or something like that complaining about it in the abstract. Like "yeah, I get it, women shoulder more of the burden in general, but YOU personally do not regularly spend your time responding to the constant needs, wants, requests, breakdowns and lash-outs of a 2-year-old and a 5-year-old. So spare me the lecture."

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

that makes me feel old, because I'm like.. where did they find men who are completely out of touch with modern society who can't emote or discuss things or do laundry? are they socializing with my dad?

― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:52 (seven years ago)

man alive, that's not fair imho. i support you embracing your hesitations/qualifiers here --- people can stand up for other people and the whole thing with movements and consciousness-raising is that people discover that their own experiences are part of a struggle that includes people with other, different experiences.

even if you need it to be for their own personal life, you may not know what all they've been through or witnessed. could be speaking out for a family member or friend they watched go through X for years, and recognizing that that person doesn't have the energy or time to speak out. or they may be thinking that the structurally disproportionate burdens of child-rearing are part of a larger complex of energy-draining expectations and exploitations that they've experienced in some different way that's not obvious to you (let's call it patriarchy). maybe they're very aware that they are privileged in not dealing with this problem directly, and think that comes with a responsibility to not act like it's not their problem. or maybe their awareness of these problems has shaped their lives in ways we don't know - maybe they decided NOT to have children because of poor support structures for mothers... who knows?

disclaimer, one of the small feminist acts on my resume, which I do give myself (small sized) credit for when I'm feeling like a bad feminist, was speaking up at a meeting on departmental funding priorities, and saying that child care funding was important even though i'm a single man not planning to have kids, because it affects me in an unquantifiable way if my peers/colleagues are held back by these burdens. one of my affected colleagues told me it meant a lot to her, and that's meant a lot to me. so maybe for ego/emotional reasons this is a particular area where i'm biased towards speaking up on others' behalfs, while in other circumstances (e.g. stereotypical old-school white feminist claiming to speak for all women's issues) i might be inclined more to "oh who are you to speak for x?"

― Doctor Casino, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:59 (seven years ago)

it is pretty not-all-men, yeah. i hope no one is really lecturing you on it, all the same.

― assawoman bay (harbl), Monday, 23 October 2017 23:51 (seven years ago)

"processing" one's feelings. It sounds so industrial. Who the fuck wants processed feelings?

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 5 November 2017 03:36 (seven years ago)

where did they find men who are completely out of touch with modern society

Tsk. As if you didn't already know. Old people, rural people, young urban holdouts. Social change doesn't happen uniformly.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 5 November 2017 04:02 (seven years ago)

‘if i told you then i’d have to kill you’ strongly guarantees it would have been a painful story to listen to anyway, regardless of content

― estela, Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:04 (seven years ago)

Charlie: Excuse me, Lieutenant. Is there something wrong?
Maverick: Yes ma'am, the data on the MiG is inaccurate.
Charlie: How's that, Lieutenant?
Maverick: Well, I just happened to see a MiG 28 do a…
Goose: We!
Maverick: Uh, sorry, Goose. *We* happened to see a MiG 28 do a 4g negative dive.
Charlie: Where did you see this?
Maverick: Uh, that's classified.
Charlie: It's what?
Maverick: It's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Iceman: ‘if i told you then i’d have to kill you’ strongly guarantees it would have been a painful story to listen to anyway, regardless of content

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:49 (seven years ago)

Aimless, did you read my second sentence

― mh, Sunday, 5 November 2017 14:42 (seven years ago)

Yes indeed I did. Did you read my first (complete) sentence? I figured you had at least a strong suspicion about the answer to your first question, but your second sentence was framed as a question, too, making it sound "as if you didn't already know."

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:43 (seven years ago)

Internet communication is fraught with difficulties. Nuance may be present, but has a diminished impact in this format and so may not be noticed.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:46 (seven years ago)

well, when it’s vague whether i’m questioning rhetorically, you’re they’re to take up my slack, so... teamwork

― mh, Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:58 (seven years ago)

'fuck': 'fuck him', 'fuck that', 'fuck them', 'fuck anyone who'. things are fucked but i'm sure we can fuck the world to rights

― ogmor, Sunday, 5 November 2017 20:00 (seven years ago)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFKU_hwj2o

― mh, Sunday, 5 November 2017 23:52 (seven years ago)

anytime a mass shooting or other horrible event happens, all the hand wringing about how shocked you are or how upset you are that you aren't shocked enough. not wanting this to "be normal" as if the world isn't a violent and scary place, as if sensationalism and interpretation of the news is all-important, cleaving righteously to an idealistic "normality" that doesn't and never did exist in reality.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 November 2017 12:17 (seven years ago)

At least it gives you yet another thing to feel superior about, policing people's emotional reactions like that.

In the spirit of the thread I'll point out that I hate the term hand-wringing as it usually refers to someone who's actually concerned about something rather than smirking down on people from an enlightened plateau of "rationality."

― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 6 November 2017 12:50 (seven years ago)

hi, I'm here to police your policing of adam's policing. you are now clapped in gaol. thanks.

― ogmor, Monday, 6 November 2017 13:28 (seven years ago)

The main bad thing about that post was that it wasn't about a word usage or phrase

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 6 November 2017 13:30 (seven years ago)

in a similar vein: people saying they are "gutted" every time someone famous dies. I'm trying to mourn Tom Petty here, I don't need to think about your intestines spilling onto the floor.

― President Keyes, Monday, 6 November 2017 13:47 (seven years ago)

that use of "gutted" has long been common in the uk but crossed the pond in recent years

― Lee626, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:38 (seven years ago)

was gonna say

― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:39 (seven years ago)

I was having a serious "why does everything weigh more in the future" moment

― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:40 (seven years ago)

when yanks say "preggers" i die a little bit in my mouth

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:53 (seven years ago)

even if i were english there's just no way i could use that word

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:54 (seven years ago)

"veggies"

― dogs, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:54 (seven years ago)

I used to get the same reaction from "veg"

― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:56 (seven years ago)

wasn't that in the very first post?

― Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:57 (seven years ago)

no american actually says "preggers" unless they're a weirdo or into some sort of porn iirc

― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:57 (seven years ago)

you'll see it on, like, buzzfeed

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

that use of "gutted" has long been common in the uk but crossed the pond in recent years

― Lee626, Monday, November 6, 2017 11:38 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh, I know. I know what you do over there.

― President Keyes, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:05 (seven years ago)

"something'-Dad as a diss, as in 'Centrist-Dad'. I'm not even a dad, but there's something a bit sweeping and generalised (not to mention ageist) about this. I totally get that this is a stand-in for 'middle-aged white man with condescending opinions', but it doesn't sit right with me.

― Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:12 (seven years ago)

no american actually says "preggers" unless they're a weirdo or into some sort of porn iirc

― mh, Monday, November 6, 2017 11:57 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, I've heard plenty of people say "preggers" and also "preggo". I hate it when people say "We're pregnant." No, you're not. Only one of you is. Stop this.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:20 (seven years ago)

Pregrock dads

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

"across the pond" is bad not good

― mark s, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:23 (seven years ago)

Not just because it makes me feel like I live on a water feature

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:24 (seven years ago)

Thoughts and prayers (from people with no real intention of acting constructively)
We stand with (as used by senior politicians increasingly on social media)
Lest we forget (from people who seem to want to make ever-grander visible gestures of remembrance as if they really are terrified or forgetting or having been seen to have not remembered enough)

fite meh

― nashwan, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:31 (seven years ago)

I wonder how much thought and prayer they even get around to doing.

― jmm, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:54 (seven years ago)

How would you all feel about a joint US/UK adoption of the word "veggers"?

I think we can really make this one happen!

― Moodles, Monday, 6 November 2017 20:00 (seven years ago)

It would speed along its adoption, if each use of "veggers" was accompanied by a meme-ish facial expression and tone of voice, patterned after some popular sitcom character.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:03 (seven years ago)

vegetables -> veg
mathematics -> maths

fuckin' come on, british people

― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 20:08 (seven years ago)

Day veggers

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:23 (seven years ago)

sports = sport

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:35 (seven years ago)

math is short for mathematic

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 6 November 2017 21:44 (seven years ago)

;_;

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:09 (seven years ago)

that use of "gutted" has long been common in the uk but crossed the pond in recent years

― Lee626, Monday, November 6, 2017 8:38 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was gonna say

― mh, Monday, November 6, 2017 8:39 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am of british descent but this kind of thing concerns me

― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:12 (seven years ago)

words crossing the pond i mean

― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:12 (seven years ago)

westward

― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:12 (seven years ago)

i've already caused offense, should've kept it to myself

― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:13 (seven years ago)

Pregrock dads

Pregdads?

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:40 (seven years ago)

vegetables -> veg
mathematics -> maths

fuckin' come on, british people

Thought it was math over there?

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:41 (seven years ago)

well you don't go around calling methamphetamines 'meths'

― jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:46 (seven years ago)

no britishers say "maths"

― mh, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:47 (seven years ago)

ok that was still unclear: british people say "veg" and "maths"

― mh, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:47 (seven years ago)

https://colorex.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/meths-combined-4l-1l.jpg

― mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:48 (seven years ago)

Lol beat me to it

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:48 (seven years ago)

i do drug
my favorite is meths

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:49 (seven years ago)

no britishers say "maths"

And yet this fucking annoying advert is currently being inflicted on Britishes TV viewers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qwLe_EDiaA

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 18:35 (seven years ago)

I hope it catches on and Microsoft retrains the UK :)

― mh, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 18:36 (seven years ago)

How about "cyber-" as a prefix signifying information technology or the internet? Grates on me every time, like some clueless high level manager who's never used a computer trying to sound like his/her business is ready for the information age. "Cyber-bullying", "cyber-security", AARGH it's not even what the term MEANS.

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:24 (seven years ago)

is there ever an occasion to say "female" or "females" outside the context of something scientific or statistical?

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:37 (seven years ago)

when you are learning a language w gendered nouns

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 22:41 (seven years ago)

Didactic context is fine. But as a substitute for woman/women, generally crepey

― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 22:59 (seven years ago)

Proof of creepiness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m9m5-n-aP8

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:02 (seven years ago)

... Jesus, that song is terrible, apologies to everyone.

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:03 (seven years ago)

the stranglers were terrible, the clue is in the name

― mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:10 (seven years ago)

and in john mcternan editing a fanzine dedicated to their oeuvre

― mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:10 (seven years ago)

I bet McTernan liked Magnum as well, and had "mixtape" C-90's that he labelled "various good stuff"!

― calzino, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:26 (seven years ago)

Its even worse now, clueless older white politicians and whatnot just saying things like "we will focus on cyber". Just the word cyber. On its own. MEANINGLESS TWADDLE

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:35 (seven years ago)

I believe it is now called "the cyber."

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:15 (seven years ago)

As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? (...) We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS. So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:15 (seven years ago)

nnnrrghrghhhh *twitch*

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:26 (seven years ago)

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S04E17/1012260.jpg?b64lines=QXMgZmFyIGFzIHRoZSBjeWJlciwgCkkgYWdyZWUgdG8gcGFydHMgb2Ygd2hhdAogU2VjcmV0YXJ5IENsaW50b24gc2FpZC4=

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:28 (seven years ago)

aaaaaaAAAARGH

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:42 (seven years ago)

nnnrrghrghhhh *twitch*

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, November 8, 2017 4:26 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i kind of instinctively do this any time i see trump on tv

― brimstead, Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:53 (seven years ago)

fwiw, the use of cyber you're annoyed by was promulgated by people clipping the older "cyberspace" down to "cyber", after which it lost some of its definitional boundaries and has floating further and further into vague hand waving toward "something-something internet blah-blah-blah".

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:59 (seven years ago)

a/s/l?

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:59 (seven years ago)

lol I havent heard that in years!

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 9 November 2017 02:15 (seven years ago)

"the cyber" is instantly funny to me for some reason

― mh, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:35 (seven years ago)

https://youtu.be/M-iwT86kIWo

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:36 (seven years ago)

The misuse/misunderstanding of "nonplussed." I searched the thread convinced this would already be mentioned but there's just one use of it in here and it's incorrect. "Nonplussed" does not mean indifferent, aloof, or disinterested. It means surprised/perplexed/confused. OED:

1. So surprised and confused that one is unsure how to react.
‘Henry looked completely nonplussed’

the incorrect usage of the word is the second entry, listed as "North American / Informal." what a strange way of saying WRONG

― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 00:16 (seven years ago)

Does nonplus perplex you? You aren't alone. Some people believe the "non" in nonplus means "not" and assume that to be nonplussed is to be calm and poised when just the opposite is true. If you are among the baffled, the word's history may clarify things. In Latin, non plus means "no more." In the earliest known uses, which date to the 16th century, it was used as a noun synonymous with quandary. Someone brought to a nonplus had reached an impasse in an argument and could say no more. Within a few decades of the first known use of the noun, people began using nonplus as a verb, and today it is often used in participial form with the meaning "perplexed" (as in "Joellen's nasty remark left us utterly nonplussed").

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nonplus

― El Tomboto, Monday, 13 November 2017 00:19 (seven years ago)

wait until 2030 when both meanings have equal standing

language evolves, in ways we don’t like or want to accept, and seeing it happen is a marker you’re old

― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 00:19 (seven years ago)

"Nonplussed" does not mean indifferent, aloof, or disinterested.

This is the first time I've ever heard of this definition, but I'm not North American and informal.

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 13 November 2017 00:25 (seven years ago)

lol

I like to think whoever wrote the BBC styleguide entry on Americanisms did it in one sitting, filled with rage pic.twitter.com/5JFMmJE0tS
— Dave Lee (@DaveLeeBBC) October 25, 2017

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 04:01 (seven years ago)

but then it ends with ‘eg’ followed by ‘etc.’

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 13 November 2017 04:08 (seven years ago)

showwhatnow?

― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 04:11 (seven years ago)

Never heard an American say "post a total" (of runs). What is this?

Shopping center & shopping mall are different things in America.

No American has ever said "to rubbish."

― Josefa, Monday, 13 November 2017 04:12 (seven years ago)

I shudder to think what might happen if I shouted OUSTER in the town square

― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 04:21 (seven years ago)

robin hood wld punch you in the bollox

ch ch cheerio

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 04:33 (seven years ago)

wait until 2030 when both meanings have equal standing

language evolves, in ways we don’t like or want to accept, and seeing it happen is a marker you’re old

― mh, Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this isn't like the abuse of "literally." this isn't popular culture or the 'everyman' molding language. most uses of "nonplussed" are in writing by writers trying to sound smart and the fact that it means the exact opposite of what they think it means, and that it's so obvious why everyone gets it wrong, makes it particularly irritating.

― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 07:37 (seven years ago)

I think the nonplussed war is already over at this point

I've been banging on about it for years

― Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 08:44 (seven years ago)

I can't describe how I feel about the issue

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 09:24 (seven years ago)

i'm thinking chalant

― mark s, Monday, 13 November 2017 09:45 (seven years ago)

my theory re the misuse of nonplussed is that it sort of rhymes with "not fussed" so ppl think it means that?

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 09:53 (seven years ago)

similarly "craven" means cowardly but about half the time I see it used ppl seem to think it means something more like "brazen", again I'm going with the "it kind of rhymes" theory

I'm against prescriptivism in general but when ppl get the meanings of words wrong I reserve the right to drop a "you keep using that word..."

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 09:57 (seven years ago)

yeah, there's nothing wrong with telling people to use words malaproperly

― the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 November 2017 10:02 (seven years ago)

nb I reserve the right but it's not like I exercise it often

basically if you're having a normal conversation with someone & they think "enormity" means enormousness you are a dick if you butt in & correct them, but if you're being subjected to a a prolix op-ed by some windbag and they keep making that error there is some value in being that dick

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 10:10 (seven years ago)

otm

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 11:28 (seven years ago)

You little prolix

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 11:29 (seven years ago)

I am on record as prioritizing audience-awareness and context-awareness WAY above right/wrong. In any given writing/editing task, I follow the rules that I think the audience cares about. Or rather, I follow the style guidance that tends to produce text that the audience will read without being distracted either by real, or apparent, wrongness.

Also I agree with wins. You generally don't help matters by correcting casual conversation but it can be enjoyable to point and laugh at windbags.

The crankiness level of that BBC thing made me smile. I should say that the USian meaning of "power cut" is a totally different thing - it's a physical feature of the landscape (trees cut down to facilitate passage of power lines), not an electrical outage.

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 November 2017 12:27 (seven years ago)

"power cut" sounds like an industry term for something like a Rush song from the mid-80s

― President Keyes, Monday, 13 November 2017 13:45 (seven years ago)

it's also a Wings song from 1973!

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 November 2017 13:59 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-ISSGbTJI

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 November 2017 13:59 (seven years ago)

I have never heard of tree trimming around power lines as a "power cut" in my life. It's just tree trimming.

― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:51 (seven years ago)

or a specific hairstyle imp

― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:51 (seven years ago)

mh, no, not trimming around trees, I mean the total clearing of a swath over a mountain or through a forest or whatever. In my childhood I definitely heard this kind of thing referred to as a power cut:

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CNX0DE/aerial-photograph-swath-through-forest-for-electrical-powerlines-alabama-CNX0DE.jpg

Maybe this is a rural or Midwestern usage? Or maybe I was just among idiots. Which is not out of the realm of possibility of course.

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:19 (seven years ago)

ahh that's fair, not used to it but I'm from a more urban area, even if in the midwest

― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:28 (seven years ago)

Now I'm wondering what other people call those.

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:31 (seven years ago)

"where trees used be"

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:33 (seven years ago)

in (UK) forestry they're called firebreaks

― mark s, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:35 (seven years ago)

this is more for "use other words" I guess, but the cliché "much ink has been spilled"

& the less-encountered but even worse variant "vast quantities of ink have been spilled"

― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:38 (seven years ago)

No use crying

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:44 (seven years ago)

"it me"

― marcos, Monday, 13 November 2017 16:15 (seven years ago)

Oh Christ I just remembered an even fucking worse version

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― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:18 (seven years ago)

wins stop wasting yr breath on that

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

You little prolix

By way of contrast and judging purely by ILX standards (which might deviate from the norms of the larger world), I much prolix.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:16 (seven years ago)

wins stop wasting yr digital breath on that

― how's life, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:21 (seven years ago)

Much digital breath has been expelled on shit turns of phrase

― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:24 (seven years ago)

rectal prolix

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:50 (seven years ago)

inherited this from my actual architect friend who is irked at the hijacking of his field's terminology for software architecture, but the word "architected" still gets under my skin

you're designing or engineering architecture, you're not architecting, my god

― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:37 (seven years ago)

I hear this all the time: "arguably" when "inarguably" is the applicable word. I'm not sure if this because of a complete lack of proportionality, if people get the words confused, or if they're being treated as interchangeable. Example: a news report I heard yesterday that said Da Vinci is "arguably one of the most famous painters ever." Well, no--he's inarguably one of the most famous painters ever; if you want to say he's arguably the most famous or the greatest, then sure, you can argue about that.

― clemenza, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:09 (seven years ago)

I'd prefer "allegedly one of the most famous painters ever"

― President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:15 (seven years ago)

suspect the issue there is nervous doubling-up of qualifiers - - - "arguably" piles onto knee-jerk use of "one of the..." with neither one having really been thought through.

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:17 (seven years ago)

They're the same word tbh

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:18 (seven years ago)

the different word is "unarguably"

― mark s, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:20 (seven years ago)

I mean they're not the same word but it's the same sentence

tbh inarguably is a nonsense word in that you might claim that it inarguably means inarguably but it doesn't

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:22 (seven years ago)

It's flammable and inflammable that are interchangeable, right? I can't see arguable and inarguable as anything but opposites. (Webster's treats "inarguably" and "unarguably" as variations of the same word.)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inarguable

― clemenza, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:23 (seven years ago)

Unarguably isn't a word and I mean fuck a Webster if he argues otherwise

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:24 (seven years ago)

unarguably means it isn't possible to have an argument, inarguably means the thing is certain so no one will argue, arguably means we live on the internet and have discovered literally nothing is either unarguable or inarguable

― mark s, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:28 (seven years ago)

Yes it is

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:30 (seven years ago)

i think you'll find

― mark s, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:31 (seven years ago)

well played deems

― loretta swit happens (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:45 (seven years ago)

arugably

― mh, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:46 (seven years ago)

unarguably means it isn't possible to have an argument, inarguably means the thing is certain so no one will argue

Having a little trouble getting my head around this. Isn't possible to have an argument because it's so obviously certain (therefore the two words are interchangeable), or isn't possible because...what would be an example of impossibility for some other reason?

― clemenza, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:47 (seven years ago)

Inarguably is a mere rhetorical pose, unarguably if it existed is a technical term

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:49 (seven years ago)

arugably

arugulably

http://cdn.naturallifeenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/arugula-leaves.jpg

― loretta swit happens (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:51 (seven years ago)

you're being radicchulous

― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Friday, 17 November 2017 17:00 (seven years ago)

Speaking of words that annoy you, I'm sorry British people, but I just can't accept calling that stuff "rocket".

― Moodles, Friday, 17 November 2017 17:44 (seven years ago)

it'll soon take off

― kinder, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:50 (seven years ago)

Having a little trouble getting my head around this

Has a two-hour train journey to work this one out:

The spaceship hurtled into the star. "We're all dead," said the captain to the crew.

i) This was inarguable. There was no escape.
ii) A short time later, it also became unarguable.

― mark s, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:51 (seven years ago)

you're being radicchulous

― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Friday, November 17, 2017 11:00 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark

i loled

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:59 (seven years ago)

lol kinder

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:45 (seven years ago)

world class, guys

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:53 (seven years ago)

normalization

― Mordy, Monday, 27 November 2017 05:30 (seven years ago)

I'll say it again: weaponize

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 November 2017 11:47 (seven years ago)

and the way reporters and columnists jump on neologisms like this with enthusiasm

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 November 2017 11:49 (seven years ago)

what word should they be using?

― mark s, Monday, 27 November 2017 12:17 (seven years ago)

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac) wrote this on thread Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible] on board I Love Everything on 31-May-2017

Normalisation

Stop saying this

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Monday, 27 November 2017 16:27 (seven years ago)

some variation on "is this the hill you want to die on?" "i'm fine dying on this hill" "i'm going to die on this hill"

this one has spread like a virus in the past couple weeks, don't know tf why

― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:01 (seven years ago)

what word should they be using?

― mark s, Monday, 27 November 2017 12:17 (five hours ago

Nothing -- silence. When it's their turn to speak on cable TV, stare blankly into the camera.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:02 (seven years ago)

seriously where did the dying on hills thing come from and how did it spread so quickly

― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:48 (seven years ago)

it's military so i blame tombot

― mark s, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:51 (seven years ago)

it's a decades old english language idiom

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 November 2017 21:51 (seven years ago)

Dying on a hill died quite some deaths on hills already. Not particularly new.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:52 (seven years ago)

I know it’s not a new idiom but it’s spread like wildfire lately gonna do a google analytics thing in a sec

― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:54 (seven years ago)

xps

'dying on this or that hill' has been around for at least a couple of decades, but has had an upsurge recently for reasons unknown to me. it will fade into the background again in a few weeks or months, like most faddish phrases.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 November 2017 21:55 (seven years ago)

it's upsurge is probably because taking stances on issues is such a big part of posting on social media and so many people have bad takes and strange hobbyhorses

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 November 2017 21:58 (seven years ago)

Fuck horses are dying on the hills too??

― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:59 (seven years ago)

where did the dying on hills thing come from

just to clarify, you do understand that choosing to die on a particular hill is a military metaphor for holding a position at any cost, don't you?

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 November 2017 22:13 (seven years ago)

clarity is important

― mark s, Monday, 27 November 2017 22:27 (seven years ago)

yeah yeah i know it's an old term i meant why has it spread so suddenly in pop culture/discourse in the last week or two

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22hill%20to%20die%20on%22

― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 22:30 (seven years ago)

Kamikaze attacks on hills up seventy percent state office would make no comment when approached by this reporter

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Monday, 27 November 2017 22:48 (seven years ago)

is this the hill you want me to kill you on

― ogmor, Monday, 27 November 2017 23:14 (seven years ago)

Hill killton

― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Monday, 27 November 2017 23:17 (seven years ago)

Abe said where you want this killin done
God said up on hilltop 61

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 14:17 (seven years ago)

“a phenomena”

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 20:50 (seven years ago)

Criteria instead of criterion.

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Friday, 1 December 2017 06:54 (seven years ago)

Not 100% on point in this thread, but in my tiredness the phrase "have sex" just suddenly struck me as odd. The active "have" is already odd to begin with ("I'm having a slice of cake"). But "have sex" is this weird level of abstraction from the act. "Fucking" clearly describes a specific action/activity. "Engaging in intercourse" is more abstracted but it's still clear that you are doing a thing. But "having sex" sounds like some kind of strange, suspended state rather than an action.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 07:15 (seven years ago)

xp yes fucking yes

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 1 December 2017 07:39 (seven years ago)

weird xp

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 08:18 (seven years ago)

having sex is holding it in your hand

― flappy bird, Friday, 1 December 2017 08:47 (seven years ago)

i’m having a sex right now

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 1 December 2017 08:55 (seven years ago)

^now that's a phrase/construction i dislike

― flappy bird, Friday, 1 December 2017 18:14 (seven years ago)

apparently people still don't understand how to use hashtags

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 2 December 2017 09:35 (seven years ago)

"it's #raining in #melbourne!!! #watchout for #floods and #rain #thisisscary #dontgooutside #bringyourumbrella"

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 2 December 2017 09:37 (seven years ago)

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/smartphone-apps/apples-date-related-bug-causes-headaches-for-device-users-20171202-gzxhua.html

A bug in Apple's software is causing headaches for many device users, with apps that use local notifications causing their devices to crash as of Saturday.
Apple users took to the internet to complain of the glitch

stop saying "took to the internet"

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 2 December 2017 21:05 (seven years ago)

http://www.theage.com.au/world/despite-condemnations-donald-trump-is-impervious-to-the-uproar-he-causes-20171130-gzvvpe

On Wednesday, local time, Trump took to Twitter before sunrise to share three unverified videos

but... he's already on twitter

how do you "take to" something when you're already using it

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 2 December 2017 21:07 (seven years ago)

like a duck takes to water
like a Trump takes to Twitter

― jmm, Saturday, 2 December 2017 21:19 (seven years ago)

okay that works

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 2 December 2017 21:29 (seven years ago)

takin' it to the tweets

― 'cause there's always been an it i can't truss (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 December 2017 02:57 (seven years ago)

the revolutionary moves among the people like a duck takes to twitter

― mark s, Sunday, 3 December 2017 11:29 (seven years ago)

how do you "take to" something when you're already using it?

I don't see a particular problem with this. 'Took to' to me means someone logged into their account/opened an app in order to post. And even if the app is already running, the action of bringing it to the foreground is still required in order to post.

― dubmill, Sunday, 3 December 2017 12:21 (seven years ago)

but... he's already on twitter

how do you "take to" something when you're already using it

I don't understand the objection unless he's literally using Twitter 24/7?

― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 December 2017 12:47 (seven years ago)

It's like, if a ship is harboured and then takes to sea... isn't it?

― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 December 2017 12:50 (seven years ago)

If Trump has a thought, picks up his phone, opens the Twitter app, and posts, then you can perfectly legitimately say he 'took to' Twitter. But in the case of him sharing the Britain First videos, you might assume he saw them on Twitter in the first place, in which case he was clearly already using Twitter and the 'took to' idiom is not appropriate (unless, that is, he watched the videos on Twitter, left Twitter, then thought to himself, 'I'm going to share those videos I saw', and opened up the app again in order to do so).

― dubmill, Sunday, 3 December 2017 12:57 (seven years ago)

Yes, of course, duh... except a ship at harbour is still 'on the sea', sort of, it's just not sailing on the sea, to extend my tortuous analogy to breaking point... ummmmmmm.

― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 December 2017 13:04 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm3SNk3ffoA

― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 December 2017 13:06 (seven years ago)

What if a boat spends all afternoon sailing round and round the harbour, is it at sea?

― dubmill, Sunday, 3 December 2017 13:08 (seven years ago)

A harbour is not the sea, of course, so even that doesn't work. I did say a ship and not a boat though, a ship sailing round and round a harbour wouldn't be the done thing.

― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 December 2017 13:17 (seven years ago)

Come to think of it, the phrase normally used is 'put to sea'.

― dubmill, Sunday, 3 December 2017 13:21 (seven years ago)

A presenter used the word "deprivatize" at a workshop I was at last week--as in, "Deprivatize your strategies with other teachers at your school." As in, "share."

― clemenza, Sunday, 3 December 2017 16:16 (seven years ago)

People just standing about are already on their feet, yet if they begin to run we may say they "took to their heels and ran".

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 3 December 2017 19:17 (seven years ago)

lol @ deprivatize

makes sense though -- the word focuses on the proprietary nature of some teachers and their teaching materials

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 3 December 2017 19:50 (seven years ago)

The ameliorating language of receptionists/similar junior-staff gatekeepers: asking you to do something eg. “Could you wait over there FOR ME?”

AAAARGH

― kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 3 December 2017 20:01 (seven years ago)

come on, do it for mommy! :)

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 3 December 2017 20:06 (seven years ago)

In office terms, the people saying it to me are basically twelve.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 3 December 2017 20:16 (seven years ago)

Sir! Please reprivatize yourself immediately!

― mick signals, Monday, 4 December 2017 02:00 (seven years ago)

"slutshame" is kind of ridiculous word esp used by a us senator in reference to another us senator

― marcos, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 19:30 (seven years ago)

"late capitalism"

yeah, for sure, on it's way out, any day now...

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 December 2017 00:58 (seven years ago)

it keeps getting later
and later and later
i feel like i'm in
a falling
elevator

― difficult listening hour, Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:28 (seven years ago)

i stand by my defense of "late capitalism" offered ages ago in this thread. though i am sure it is annoying in many hands. maybe "later capitalism" would be better.

― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:53 (seven years ago)

The term "late capitalism" was first used by Werner Sombart in his 1902 magnum opus Der Moderne Kapitalismus

Basically if we've been in "late capitalism" for like 48% of the years since Wealth of Nations was published it does seem like we're ready for a new phase

― President Keyes, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:00 (seven years ago)

have i complained about the "you don't get to..." formulation as a substitute for "you shouldn't do..."

"you don't get to tell me what i think" etc.

― Mordy, Friday, 15 December 2017 19:10 (seven years ago)

increasingly, "the middle class"

― marcos, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:24 (seven years ago)

mental gymnastics

― Yerac, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:28 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m17rt_xo9x0

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:56 (seven years ago)

"constitutional crisis"

― Mordy, Thursday, 21 December 2017 01:11 (seven years ago)

don’t come to australia ever then

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 December 2017 01:29 (seven years ago)

gift as a verb
― mookieproof, Monday, January 23, 2017 3:46 PM (ten months ago)

just use give, dammit

― mookieproof, Friday, 22 December 2017 15:04 (seven years ago)

_gift as a verb

― mookieproof, Monday, January 23, 2017 3:46 PM (ten months ago)_

just use give, dammit

It is in our gift

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Friday, 22 December 2017 15:34 (seven years ago)

the world's a mess it's in my wild gift

― Mordy, Friday, 22 December 2017 15:35 (seven years ago)

gift as a verb is def from the same ppl who brought you invite as a noun

― ogmor, Friday, 22 December 2017 15:47 (seven years ago)

and thrift as a verb

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 22 December 2017 15:50 (seven years ago)

dud:gift as a v.
classic: re-gift as practice

― y'know, LIBS! libertarians, libertines, even liberians and librarians (Hunt3r), Friday, 22 December 2017 16:06 (seven years ago)

bad/good faith

― flappy bird, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:30 (seven years ago)

"pro tip"

love bad/good faith - such an important concept

― Mordy, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:52 (seven years ago)

alternatively you're stuck with charitably/uncharitably i think

― Mordy, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:52 (seven years ago)

I was just thinking about "bad faith" strangely enough

As an accusation it stinks of the assumption that the end goal/result has already been decided and the right/wrong line has been drawn

Pretty fucking abhorrent imo but hey

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 22 December 2017 18:51 (seven years ago)

i think the opposite - accusation of bad faith suggests that the result is not prejudiced bc there's new information to be considered. good faith readings might bring that information to light. bad faith readings assume that the result has already been decided so no new information is worth treating charitably.

― Mordy, Friday, 22 December 2017 19:09 (seven years ago)

No we agree I referred to bad faith

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 22 December 2017 19:22 (seven years ago)

"beat" as screenwriting jargon

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 22 December 2017 19:30 (seven years ago)

"comrades" as leftist jargon

― crüt, Saturday, 23 December 2017 05:36 (seven years ago)

oh man, yes^

― flappy bird, Saturday, 23 December 2017 05:53 (seven years ago)

nah it's good

― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 23 December 2017 06:17 (seven years ago)

picky tea

― kinder, Saturday, 23 December 2017 09:22 (seven years ago)

have i complained about the "you don't get to..." formulation as a substitute for "you shouldn't do..."
"you don't get to tell me what i think" etc.
― Mordy, Friday, December 15, 2017 2:10 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

timely revive of please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread shows that you have!

you don't get to tell me what i think deems
― Mordy , Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:07 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
when i first started hearing that "you don't get to tell me" formulation was pretty formative too
― Mordy , Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:08 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― how's life, Saturday, 23 December 2017 12:37 (seven years ago)

comrades is good not bad, it smokes out the class traitors

― mark s, Saturday, 23 December 2017 12:50 (seven years ago)

i'm not saying in which direction

― mark s, Saturday, 23 December 2017 12:50 (seven years ago)

"leftish jargon" is annoying and bad.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 December 2017 13:08 (seven years ago)

"Solidarity" might be "leftish jargon" but this is also good.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 December 2017 13:09 (seven years ago)

timely revive of please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread shows that you have!
― how's life, Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:37 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And of course by the principle of 'we mock the things we are to be', I just told my cat 'you don't get to go on the porch - that's not part of your privilege'.

― how's life, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:13 (seven years ago)

"mom" (ie calling Beyonce "mom")

"my son" (ie the "don't talk to me or my son ever again" meme)

― billstevejim, Monday, 25 December 2017 06:25 (seven years ago)

"Bad faith" needs to be talked about much more, not less

― Dan I., Monday, 25 December 2017 06:35 (seven years ago)

ugh so self righteous though and annoying i hate it

― flappy bird, Monday, 25 December 2017 23:43 (seven years ago)

i can't believe this has never come up on this thread, but i really hate when people (especially well-known musicians, it seems like) say

"_____ really gets me off"

e.g., "contemporary classical music really gets me off", which frank zappa just said in a radio segment i was listening to

― Karl Malone, Friday, 29 December 2017 17:37 (seven years ago)

bleccccch i loathe the insertion* of sexual language/imagery where it doesn't belong. it's disgusting.

* yes i used this gross word on purpose

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 29 December 2017 19:56 (seven years ago)

ime, "getting off" has to do with excitement in general, within which sexual excitement is only one possibility among many.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 December 2017 20:02 (seven years ago)

I get off on 57 Chevys / I get off on screamin' guitars

― twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 December 2017 20:06 (seven years ago)

not buying it
even if the usage has expanded, the framework within which "getting off" exists is still a sexual one

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 29 December 2017 20:09 (seven years ago)

i can't believe this has never come up on this thread, but i really hate when people (especially well-known musicians, it seems like) say

"_____ really gets me off"

e.g., "contemporary classical music really gets me off", which frank zappa just said in a radio segment i was listening to

Zappa just fooling around there tbf.

― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 29 December 2017 20:10 (seven years ago)

people used to say they got "turned on" to records and films and philosophies and stuff. seems like a boomer thing, maybe tied to the 60s sexual revolution.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 December 2017 20:11 (seven years ago)

i can't stand it when someone says "turned on" about music either
it's my uncool conservative belief i guess

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 29 December 2017 20:17 (seven years ago)

turn on tune in drop out

― Mordy, Friday, 29 December 2017 20:23 (seven years ago)

You know what really gets my dick hard? Helping out my friends

― Number None, Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32 (seven years ago)

you shouldn't blow your complaining wad on carnal phrases

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 29 December 2017 21:14 (seven years ago)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/37461ceac99a26ae325d2faa194c95d7/tenor.gif

― kinder, Friday, 29 December 2017 21:19 (seven years ago)

'shooting your wad' goes back to musketry. the wad was the assemblage of powder, bullet and wadding you rammed in to prepare your musket for firing. once you had shot your wad, you probably didn't have another chance at whatever game you were shooting at, because reloading gave it plenty of time to scram if you missed it the first time.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 December 2017 21:48 (seven years ago)

one that bugs me is people using the word "penultimate" just to let you know they know ~how to use it right~ like they can't just say second-last or whatever and be CHILL

― flippy bard (Will M.), Friday, 29 December 2017 23:11 (seven years ago)

‘one in the same’ in place of ‘one and the same’ (which they are not)

― estela, Saturday, 30 December 2017 04:42 (seven years ago)

a dude i edit is good but flowery, so

ctrl-f 'in order to'
ctrl-f 'within'
ctrl-f 'ly-' (sorry we are AP)

― mookieproof, Saturday, 30 December 2017 05:01 (seven years ago)

failson, and especially its verb form

― El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

Whenever I think of it I think of Donald Faison

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/5/58/Donald_Fasion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120401223432

― twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:34 (seven years ago)

People misusing “nonplussed” or any word and then being like “well language evolves you know”

― flappy bird, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:27 (seven years ago)

flappy bird, that begs the question about what we're really disinterested in.

― sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:29 (seven years ago)

is misuse of nonplussed just due to confusion btwn it and nonchalant? or is it mis-derived somehow from "not plus."

― Mordy, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:30 (seven years ago)

it's because it kind of sounds like what people think it means

― Number None, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:31 (seven years ago)

only if plussed meant enthusiastic

― Mordy, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:50 (seven years ago)

it doesn't have to

― Number None, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:50 (seven years ago)

or i guess not enthusiastic - just having any kind of reaction? it's a kinda weird association tbh. which makes me think it's maybe just confusion bc of nonchalant which means what ppl seem to think nonplussed means.

― Mordy, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:51 (seven years ago)

I really don't think it's confusion with nonchalant

I've actually thought about this a lot

― Number None, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:55 (seven years ago)

This was mentioned above, my pet theory is that it rhymes with "not fussed"

― Bitcoin Baja (wins), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:11 (seven years ago)

See also ppl thinking "craven" means shameless - this is everywhere these days and I'm pretty sure it's just cause it sounds a bit like "brazen"

― Bitcoin Baja (wins), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:12 (seven years ago)

Maybe it's something to do with all of the 'un-' words we have denoting passive states.

unconcerned
unperturbed
undisturbed
unimpressed
unemotional
unruffled
unmoved

If we don't have another meaning for 'nonplussed', we're inclined to hear it as falling in this category.

― jmm, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:13 (seven years ago)

Like "craven", tv chefs/critics etc using 'unctuous' to mean, idk, attractively oozy rather than just greasy/oily

Nonplussed dates back to Google Plus and means something you couldn't even be bothered to 'plus one' ("like")

― kinder, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:15 (seven years ago)

also patently/blatantly although I guess that's not so bad as the intended meaning is usually the same

― kinder, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:17 (seven years ago)

Never heard nonplussed used in that way before - lol Americans p'raps?

― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:53 (seven years ago)

“happy new years”, unless it’s become 2018 and 2019 and i missed a key development

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:00 (seven years ago)

flappy bird, that begs the question about what we're really disinterested in.

ha I actually (unwisely) got into it in the comments on a piece of mine with some crusty grammar pedant a few months ago that I was misusing “disinterested” when i should’ve been been using “uninterested.”

― flappy bird, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:09 (seven years ago)

And yea apologies I just realized I’m definitely the one that brought up “nonplussed” itt p recently

― flappy bird, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:10 (seven years ago)

Seems to me that “happy new years” incorporates the elision so well-beloved by North Americans with the confusion and imprecision so well-beloved by humans everywhere, where the "day" in "happy New Year's Day" gets chopped off and the stump, "happy New Year's" is conflated with the more general greeting, "happy New Year" often used on days that are near to, but not, January 1st.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:12 (seven years ago)

"unctuous" is unusual in that it's the reanimation of a medieval sense otherwise lost to cynicism: it was once a positive word, in culinary and in religious terms. in the ritual or religious sense, "unction" still maintains some of sense of the approval -- the anointment of the monarch or of the dying -- tho (this is where the cynicism comes in) the adjective seems to have become more associated with fake piety a loooong time ago

basically the problem for chefs is that they very much need a word for the approving quality, but all the ones to hand have gone negative on them: "it's really oily! but in a good way!"

― mark s, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:15 (seven years ago)

unless it’s become 2018 and 2019 and i missed a key development

Would that mean twice as many birthday presents?

― jmm, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:17 (seven years ago)

I think the downfall of unctuous as a positive word was when it was extended to describe a slick, flattering "oily" personality.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:18 (seven years ago)

i like it as a culinary term, it has good mouthfeel

― a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:19 (seven years ago)

Plussed, that great term we all use

Also language evolves

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:20 (seven years ago)

omg...

― flappy bird, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:26 (seven years ago)

Where it all went wrong for nonplus was in the verbing. “Reduced to a nonplus” much less likely to be, uh, confused

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:31 (seven years ago)

“happy new years”, unless it’s become 2018 and 2019 and i missed a key development

Now that is lol Americans.

― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 21:18 (seven years ago)

figured it was an apostrophe as in "Happy New Year's..." as in "Happy New Year's Eve"

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 31 December 2017 22:28 (seven years ago)

still shit

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 December 2017 22:30 (seven years ago)

nobody says “merry christ”

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 December 2017 22:30 (seven years ago)

it's already an elision of Christ's Mass

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 31 December 2017 22:46 (seven years ago)

“merry mass” would make more sense then

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:14 (seven years ago)

"data detox"

― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)

oof haven't heard that one yet, my sympathies

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:07 (seven years ago)

all the data ones are bad

― marcos, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

"data wrangler"

― marcos, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

ffs

― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

big data
big ag
big pharma
big oil
big tobacco

― marcos, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

big hair

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:18 (seven years ago)

"normies"

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

failson

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:36 (seven years ago)

3 days behind

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:38 (seven years ago)

oooo word, well it bears repeating

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

seems antithetical

― Evan, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)

lol ok otm

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:07 (seven years ago)

idk

Seems kinda like there could be a hiatus on dudes/bros for a while when used as short

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 00:05 (seven years ago)

hand for dislike of men

idk tho

phantom submit there dudes btw

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 January 2018 00:06 (seven years ago)

a balmy _____ degrees

― marcos, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:50 (seven years ago)

Glamping.

― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

Nicknames for Donald Trump

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:42 (seven years ago)

45 scoops of cheetos

― how's life, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:56 (seven years ago)

Truth bomb.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:59 (seven years ago)

lame trump nicknames should be a given at this point

― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 00:06 (seven years ago)

1/2 term, two scoops, Drumpf, 45, Tr*mp, Cheetos and variations... grow the fuck up. is it really that hard to deal with? it's been a year

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 00:16 (seven years ago)

Trump l'Oily

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)

Have u been here a year? Time flies

― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 00:47 (seven years ago)

i am not donald trump

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 01:12 (seven years ago)

buckle in for 3-7 more years of people saying "pee tape" daily

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 01:29 (seven years ago)

oh hell yeah

that one really confuses me because the dossier does not say that trump got peed on or wanted to get peed on. he wanted the prostitutes to pee on the bed that obama slept in. yet everyone that says pee tape, they think it's a tape of trump being peed on or even peeing on the bed himself? no. wtf? how did this happen

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 01:37 (seven years ago)

Chinese Pisspers

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 01:43 (seven years ago)

"pedagogy" where "teaching" would be simpler and clearer. pedagogy has a use obv but i feel like it's used too often to add unneeded weight

― marcos, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

oh hell yeah

― flappy bird, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:37 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah and when you step back from this for a moment, it's like DEEPLY insignificant other than just being Exh. 82036691 in the case that Trump is kind of a dick. Yet people are like "OOOOH PLEASE LET THIS NEW REVELATION BE CONFIRMATION OF THE PEE TAPE THAT WOULD BE THE BEST CHRISTMAS GIFT!" Supports my theory that a lot of Russiagaters are just the "oooh he said a bad word!" kid grown up.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:08 (seven years ago)

Similarly, I always felt that the extreme obsession with the "grab her by the pussy" quote was about more than just sexual assault and betrayed a fascination with the sordid and juvenile, even though it's certainly also about sexual assault.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

people are fascinated by sordid revelations about famous people. News at eleven

― Number None, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:19 (seven years ago)

a lot of Russiagaters are just the "oooh he said a bad word!" kid grown up

I don't disagree. And clearly the pro-Trump contingent is all like, "I lofe that Trump drives the pearl-clutching libs and the 'civilized' political profession crazy." So every time we appear to be merely clutching pearls, we do play into those people's hands to an extent. "Yeah! He's upsetting the swamp dwellers, and that's exactly why we voted for him! NO, it's 'not normal,' he's shaking up the conventional orthodoxies that have gotten us nowhere." Etc.

BUT, I'm also so opposed to him that I don't care what it is that gums up the works and/or takes him down. Russia, Rwanda, Rhode Island, whatever. Any and all ammunition to hand.

― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:24 (seven years ago)

I'm immediately exhausted and awkward whenever anyone wants to talk about how amazing the Baldwin impressions are, or some other late night talk show joke about him- to the point I worry people might think I'm a Trump supporter. It's more that the those things make too much light of the whole situation and it feels as shallow as anything his supporters/GOP latch onto that's aimed in the opposite direction. Both too petty and too lighthearted. Only Vic Berger can effectively capture the horror show in the way I see it, by pinpointing the idiocy/ridiculousness and amplifying it. And Tim Heidecker's character in On Cinema & Decker is mostly a perfect portrayal of that exact kind of delusional asshole but in a setting that is more believable than the real life one Trump somehow occupies, without being the typical OMG Trump Impression LOL get rekt 800 million views

― Evan, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:44 (seven years ago)

trump broke ilx :(

― Mordy, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)

maybe four years off would do us all some good, we could come back refreshed with bold new zings, a great repository of saved-up petty complaints about life in the end times, and ready to poll everything all over again.

― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

“Veg” (for “vegetables”; “to veg out” is fine)
“Kit” as in “a good piece of kit”

Hate both of these BrEisms.

AAVE-originating slang when deprived of all meaning by white ppl and brands.

“Punch up” is now a thought-terminating cliche and sounds childish.

― The Bridge of Ban Louis J (silby), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

I remember when it was something you did to scripts

― President Keyes, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:51 (seven years ago)

Evan - there's chuckling at the boorishness in our spare time, and regarding it .

Hah, he can't spell, his hair looks ridic, he eats shitty food, Bannon wears multiple shirts, covfefe, Diet Coke.

If the #resistance began and ended there, that would be one thing, and it would be pretty weak-ass.

The thing is that most decent people are ALSO horrified about "tax reform," Dreamer shenanigans, travel ban, relaxed environmental regulations, poking North Korea with a stick, and defending Nazis. I mean, I feel like we CAN mostly walk and chew gum.

― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

Well I'm not actually angry at anyone for wanted to joke about the situation in that way, it's just that it feels so insufficient and easy that I end up having no patience.

― Evan, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

the extreme obsession with the "grab her by the pussy" quote was about more than just sexual assault and betrayed a fascination with the sordid and juvenile

We've had plenty of crude and profane presidents. Both LBJ and Nixon loved crudity. But this was on a different level than mere crudity. There was (and continues to be) an element of shock and incredulity that a man capable of casually bragging about assaulting women was a major party nominee for president. Among the thousand awful or inane things he's said or done in the past 20 months, this still stands out as one of the ugliest of his self-indictments.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:18 (seven years ago)

this still stands out as one of the ugliest of his self-indictments

Not just an indictment of him himself, but also of everyone who yawned and said "oh, that's just boastful locker-room banter" and voted for the fucker anyway. Because, y'know, her emails.

― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:50 (seven years ago)

omg you just said "her emails" on the words, usages and phrases that annoy you thread

― Mordy, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

lol

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)

"I moved on her like a bitch" was the sleeper hit of that tape, in that it makes no sense... what does that mean?

Evan I feel the same way about people in the Trump & GWB admin being 'rehabilitated' in the eyes of the public. the most egregious example being Sean Spicer at the Emmy's. larfing about GWB being a clown is not as maddening bc that's just the way time works, people forget easily, but damn, Scaramucci on CNN? Spicer at the Emmy's? totally baffling

― flappy bird, Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:11 (seven years ago)

"Self-reflection."

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:22 (seven years ago)

third wheel

― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 11 January 2018 05:13 (seven years ago)

sorry not sorry

― © louis jagger/richards (Pillbox), Thursday, 11 January 2018 09:25 (seven years ago)

^otm

― flappy bird, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:30 (seven years ago)

"Gravity always wins"

Is this ever more than a meaningless expression where banal poetics are meant to invoke an ostensible poignancy?

'See also ppl thinking "craven" means shameless"

Thank you! I've recently had to look it up to make sure I was using it correctly.

― ed.b, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

Narrator:

― Mordy, Friday, 12 January 2018 04:34 (seven years ago)

Gravity just confuses me

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Friday, 12 January 2018 06:24 (seven years ago)

any attempt to spin anything donald trump says into a pun or a joke or a slogan.

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 January 2018 07:01 (seven years ago)

wtev was that a sfa reference because now I'm not sure if clarity or gravity has been confusing me

― kinder, Friday, 12 January 2018 08:56 (seven years ago)

wtev was that a sfa reference because now I'm not sure if clarity or gravity has been confusing me

Yes guilty

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Saturday, 13 January 2018 06:19 (seven years ago)

maybe some crossover appeal here:

'this is nonsense' vs. 'this is a nonsense'

― Mordy, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:02 (seven years ago)

“extra”

like “this [cat video/ fashion item] is so extra”

i haaaaaate it
it makes me feel like i am at a mall food court with a bunch of teenagers

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:11 (seven years ago)

i've never heard it used but u are right that is truly v bad

― Mordy, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:14 (seven years ago)

i watch a lot of terrible youtube

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:44 (seven years ago)

i like it, but the threat of finding myself on a mall food court with a bunch of teenagers is pretty distant tbh, and even if it wasn't i have no bad memories -- or indeed good ones -- to have set up the association in the first place

tbh my attitude to most stuff in this thread is: go for it! not only don't get OFF my lawn, get ON it! my generation left yours an utterly fucked world, even if most of us don't acknowledge this yet, and i'd rather spend time being charmed by the babble of the invention of new silly habits than aggrieved that it's no longer something i get to do

― mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:03 (seven years ago)

The fuckedness of things might be somewhat overstated donchuthink

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:04 (seven years ago)

It's certainly not anywhere near so bad as to negate the irritation caused by teenagers like

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)

Do teenagers even go to mall food courts anymore?

I thought they all just tweeped sexies at each other on bint.

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:06 (seven years ago)

Mark s is on the money slash mark

― very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:08 (seven years ago)

logic compels me to understand that as good not bad

― mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:11 (seven years ago)

Either that or he's confused u for a dragon

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:17 (seven years ago)

lol @ bint

don't you remember? we met on bint!!!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

i agree with deems

let me irrationally rail against teens, it’s all i have

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:54 (seven years ago)

teens do a lot of language innovating and some of it is pioneering but a lot of it is lousy. obv posterity will judge which words, usages, and phrases stand the test of time (tho everything ultimately changes) and not us people who are no longer teenagers now and certainly not teenagers in the future. still i think criticism is totes cool bc we still get some say in how the language works now and if it's ugly the dumb teens should be told.

― Mordy, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:07 (seven years ago)

I'm not a fan of "thirsty" to denote sexual/romantic desperation. Maybe it just hits a nerve for me?

― ed.b, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:39 (seven years ago)

Mark S otm, I fucking love the way the current teens kick and mash language into crazy new shapes. Endlessly entertaining and so so droll.

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:44 (seven years ago)

I thought “extra” was kind of a “this is too much” indicator, not really complementary? kind of indicates someone is doing something that’s a little too try-hard

maybe it already passed into that, or from that back into a complement

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:52 (seven years ago)

compliment, sheesh

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:53 (seven years ago)

yeah Mark S OTM. But I'm less annoyed by teen neologisms than blunt-repetitive guru-eaucratic things of the 'blue sky thinking' vein

― Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:48 (seven years ago)

"Too extra" / "so extra" strikes me as an update of "she's so _very_" or "you're too much."

For some reason, I associate the usage with campy drama / theater / showbiz types rather than food-court teens.

― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)

otm^

― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

yr all a bunch of teen apologists imo

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)

like, whatever

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)

eat some more tide pods and check back in an hour

― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

Some whisky related words and phrases that are increasingly infuriating me in various FB groups with heavy US memberships... calling whisky "juice", referring to "pours" or "fingers" or "ounces" for a dram, talking about "bottle kills" let alone if combined with "man down" or "lost a brave soldier" type nonsense. Even calling whisky "Scotch" is grating to me.

― brain (krakow), Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:33 (seven years ago)

I want a glossary of how people refer to bourbon whiskey corresponding UK messageboards in order to make a judgment call, here

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:38 (seven years ago)

omg that whisky language is something else
so unnecessarily hypermasculine!

what does man down/lost a brave soldier mean?

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:44 (seven years ago)

finished a drink/bottle presumably

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

"juice" is horrible, "fingers" is a colloquialism referring to holding two fingers to the side of the glass to know how much to pour, ounces refers to.. what americans measure liquor in

nobody other than a scotch (or scottish, if you prefer) whisky drinker in the US is going to talk about measuring their drink in drams, unless they're in some bar with old-timey trappings

all the death/soldier stuff is horrible

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

Most of those measurements seem fine to me

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

Why is calling it "Scotch" grating? Should people say "Scotch whisky" every time they refer to it? Or should calling it "whisky" without an e be enough for others to know you're referring to Scotch?

Does calling Bourbon whiskey "Bourbon" grate too?

― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)

I understand where the fingers, ounces etc terminology comes from, but the usage simply annoys me. Isn't that the exact point of this thread?

― brain (krakow), Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:19 (seven years ago)

true

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:20 (seven years ago)

I'm ok with "fingers" because it's a pretty old school drinking term, and I don't get why anyone would have a problem with "Scotch", but the rest of those terms are hot garbage from deep within fedoraland.

― Moodles, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:30 (seven years ago)

imo it’s more old dads who see scotch whisky as a hobby language

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:31 (seven years ago)

Old dad is a good whiskey iirc

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:34 (seven years ago)

I don't even know what a dram is tbh, I just go with metric. An ounce is close enough to a single iirc

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:38 (seven years ago)

better the dad in the bottle than the dad drinking the bottle

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:38 (seven years ago)

In terms of the use of "Scotch"... I think it's just narrow-mindedness and/or superiority on my part that causes the annoyance there, because of course one simply says whisky here in Scotland to refer to Scotch whisky. Maybe the same applies to some of those other terms too, I guess, as I glossed over that they're more commonly used in the USA, so fair enough. I'll try to keep my irritation in check... and leave the offending FB groups, they're probably the real problem.

― brain (krakow), Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:41 (seven years ago)

if you just order “whisky” here you get some sort of well liquor that is brown and probably adheres to a legal definition of the term

― mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:53 (seven years ago)

tbh cheap bourbon >>> cheap scotch

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:55 (seven years ago)

Oh hell no

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:57 (seven years ago)

there’s some john barr scotch variety for $15/bottle at my local shop that’s probably better than bourbon at that price

I think in general nobody’s exporting anything drinkable at less than export price sooo

― mh, Friday, 19 January 2018 00:51 (seven years ago)

hot garbage from deep within fedoraland.

electric miladiland

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 January 2018 01:13 (seven years ago)

“architecting”

― mh, Friday, 19 January 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

✓ xp

― mookieproof, Friday, 19 January 2018 02:51 (seven years ago)

electric miladiland

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:13 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haaaa

― marcos, Friday, 19 January 2018 03:55 (seven years ago)

golf clap/slow clap

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 19 January 2018 05:27 (seven years ago)

"draw" for "drawer"

most commonly encountered in the phrase "top draw"

― Number None, Friday, 19 January 2018 08:06 (seven years ago)

Venn this: the people who say ‘draw’ to mean ‘drawer’ and the people who say ‘brought’ to mean ‘bought’.

PERFECT FUCKING CIRCLE.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 19 January 2018 10:22 (seven years ago)

dj dingleberry is top draw and a top drawer on the festival circuit

― faust apes (NickB), Friday, 19 January 2018 10:28 (seven years ago)

and the people who say ‘brought’ to mean ‘bought’.

australia has a phenomenon of overcorrection in which over-60s who say ‘bought’ mean ‘brought’, usually while complaining about swear words or the internet

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:30 (seven years ago)

― brain (krakow), Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FWIW in the US bourbon is probably substantially more popular than scotch so you have to specify scotch. For related reasons, just saying "whiskey" sounds sort of old-timey to me, like you're going into some western saloon that would only have one or two kinds of whiskey behind the bar.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:33 (seven years ago)

"concerning" as a gerund, not a preposition, as in, "Trump's temper is concerning." It's a bureaucrat's way of saying "worrying."

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

or disturbing!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)

Saying whisky/whiskey here would just invite the question whether you mean bourbon, Scotch, Irish, Tennessee, rye, moonshine, etc., all of which are different things.

I drink bourbon all the time (usually not caring which), but would need a specific occasion and a knowledgeable guide to navigate Scotch whiskies.

If I were to ask for bourbon and ginger and get served Jack Daniel's (which is Tennessee whiskey, most definitely not bourbon whiskey), I would object with vigor.

― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)

tennessee whiskey is bourbon that someone poured through some charcoal before aging

― mh, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

I maintain some sentimental preference for the notion that Bourbon whiskey is made in Kentucky. Which Tennessee is not.

Blah blah California Champagne, vodka martini, yadda yadda, I'm not really up in arms about it.

― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

"Rest in Power" is starting to grate when used in every facebook post about every cool person that dies

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 22:57 (seven years ago)

oh my god tell me about it

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:12 (seven years ago)

Yep

― Moodles, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:36 (seven years ago)

agree

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:39 (seven years ago)

not heard that. Good.

― Badgers (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:43 (seven years ago)

"Terrified"/"Terrifying" in the political context, typically used by liberals. Stop being so fucking terrified of everything. If you are literally an immigrant forced to hide out from ICE, then I accept "terrified." Otherwise it's ridiculously melodramatic.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

ugh, Rest in Power is awful, what is that meant to correct about rest in peace?

― rob, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

How much would you have to hate a deceased person not to wish them peace

― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

It's a political radical thing, maybe originating with Black Panthers? I think the idea is don't "rest in peace" rather your legacy should continue to impact things. But it gets really overused.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)

No more than moderately xp

― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)

I may have mentioned this before: when some rent-a-cop or service person ‘needs’ you to do a thing.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)

srsly why is it always about their needs

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

I almost started a thread about 'good faith / bad faith' last night. we'll see how today works out

― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

Taking sides: "Peak ______" vs. "None more ______."

― I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

hit me with some examples. leaning toward Peak

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:31 (seven years ago)

i'll take 'peak _____' over 'sneak peak'

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:33 (seven years ago)

None more is worse because it's just lifting a joke from a movie. At least "peak ___" was original the first time some writer used it.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:34 (seven years ago)

what is None More from

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:38 (seven years ago)

oh you youngins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6fwfBKCIQ

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:45 (seven years ago)

oh, I mean yeah obviously. is this a new phenomenon?

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:53 (seven years ago)

I saw today a picture of a conflict between a cat and a bald eagle described as "Peak Maine."

A tattoo of a Starbucks cup is described as "Peak Seattle."

A cheesy Old Bay crab biscuit purchased at the Renaissance Faire (sic) has been described as "None More Maryland."

― I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:57 (seven years ago)

If it can be proven that none more _ came from a movie made in the late seventies or whatever then I'll stop fping ppl for a whole week

― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:44 (seven years ago)

it totally did

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:24 (seven years ago)

Ok starting from when i posted that tho

― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:33 (seven years ago)

When someone says something didn't "land". Like you didn't get it. This expression is fine for jokes but it's horrible in any other application

― kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

ooo cosign on that one

― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:57 (seven years ago)

Critics calling things “airless”

― President Keyes, Thursday, 8 February 2018 02:34 (seven years ago)

I thought there was something particularly awful about this phrase in this context, but also bad in general:

Woman found holding her own eyeballs

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An Upstate community is in shock after a 19-year-old was found holding her eyeball and then gauged the other one out outside a church.
Here's what we know: http://bit.ly/2E9n0W9

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 02:55 (seven years ago)

gauge away
you can gauge away

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 03:13 (seven years ago)

ffs some guy in WH press corps referring to just-resigned wife beater as "gentleman"

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

also increasingly hearing this as cop-speak in press briefing re: some murder or whatever, "the gentleman then fired a second shot"

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:06 (seven years ago)

“Home invasion”

Was ‘burglary’ insufficiently bellicose?

― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

I usually think of home invasion as the burglary of a home when the residents are present. Threats of force, that sort of thing.

― how's life, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

"burglary by the individual," even. Not the man or the woman or even the person

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

Still sounds stupid though. (xp)

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:50 (seven years ago)

Wouldn’t ‘robbery’ imply the victim’s presence?

― kim jong deal (suzy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:51 (seven years ago)

nope!

if you get home and your house has been cleaned out, you were robbed

― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:16 (seven years ago)

or your wife finally got wise, I guess

― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:16 (seven years ago)

no, you were burgled. robbery involves the threat or use of force, intimidation, etc.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:21 (seven years ago)

that’s the legal definition!

no one shouts “we’ve been burgled!”

― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:25 (seven years ago)

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― mookieproof, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:35 (seven years ago)

no one shouts “we’ve been burgled!”

They don't?

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 9 February 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

I’m open to accepting new views

― mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 01:01 (seven years ago)

i would say "we've been burglarized" in that case.

― how's life, Friday, 9 February 2018 01:23 (seven years ago)

In the US, you'd never say that in the UK.

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 9 February 2018 01:25 (seven years ago)

So, yes, in the UK, you would shout, "I've been burgled", if you'd been burgled.

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 9 February 2018 01:27 (seven years ago)

Depending on circumstances I might burble, "I've been burgled", or I might blubber it.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 9 February 2018 01:45 (seven years ago)

http://stmedia.stimg.co/ctyp_6541146hamburglar_mcdonalds.jpg?w=800

― I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 February 2018 01:48 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tit5gHtVEls

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:01 (seven years ago)

that’s the legal definition!

no one shouts “we’ve been burgled!”

― mh, Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:25 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this happened to me a year ago and yes we were burgled. i say we were burgled. it's completely different than being robbed, which is obviously worse because of the potential for violence and the lingering anxiety and terror. i've always feared it but weirdly felt safe enough in my home after being burgled. don't know how i'd feel being robbed tho, especially via force.

― flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:13 (seven years ago)

burgled sounds kinda dirty though

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:15 (seven years ago)

where do we stand on "incrediburgible" tho

― Doctor Casino, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:16 (seven years ago)

yeah it is dirty. your shit got stolen, your house was broken into. it sucks. they (usually) don't even take their shoes off

― flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:19 (seven years ago)

indeed that sounds like a terrible drag, sorry

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:20 (seven years ago)

yea its fine we got most of the stuff back, got a security thing... it is funny though, every time i would talk about it, i would be very conscious of the burgled/robbed difference, for whatever reason, even those most people don't know. frankly i'm surprised more people fuck up "hanged" and say "hung themselves." i actually feel that one has gotten worse in recent years

― flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:23 (seven years ago)

it's to the point now that when someone says "hanged" it's sort of impressive

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:28 (seven years ago)

Right. it's strange because I remember a decade ago, whenever that phrase would come up and someone would say "hung," another would correct with "hanged." now it's just a free for all

― flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:31 (seven years ago)

IDGAF, correct at all costs, you can't cede any territory to these cretins

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:39 (seven years ago)

Lol it's a little difficult when you're talking about a mutual friend that just committed suicide lmao

― flappy bird, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:41 (seven years ago)

one time i left my house to to pickup a friend from the train station 5 mins down the street. when i got back i realized we were robbed. the windows were open and some things were missing, doors and cabinets were opened, etc. the thing is, at the time i didn't know if anyone was still in the house or not. this is why we called the cops. not sure what they wrote down and i don't really care. they arrived and accused us of lying and being on drugs. it sucked.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:42 (seven years ago)

you shoulda said burgled, they would have believed you

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:44 (seven years ago)

"The prisoner was hung" has connotations that bring to mind horses more than executions.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:46 (seven years ago)

there is actually such a thing as "death erection" though, in which case, unfortunately, one could be both hanged and evidently hung

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 February 2018 02:49 (seven years ago)

it always bugs me that the term is "pleaded guilty (or innocent)" rather than "pled guilty" because the preferred use of language was variable

― mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:54 (seven years ago)

I also realized that the dictionary version of "robbed" I was looking at had general theft under "informal dialect" and listed "burglary" as a synonym

so there you go, I'm just from a bad dialect area

― mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:55 (seven years ago)

legal language is a gated system used to control those who in general do not understand it. there is a legal class that can understand the accepted contexts of all of these words and then there is everybody else, the vast people the laws are applied to, many of them legally illiterate. in a way we haven't changed much since the days of the Holy Roman Empire controlling everything through Latin.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 9 February 2018 03:12 (seven years ago)

To my ear, "pled" is about as correct as "syllabi."

That is, I understand the arguments in favor, but it seems just too stilted for normal use. For almost every audience, I'd prefer a more conversational choice.

― I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 February 2018 03:21 (seven years ago)

I was taught pled either in civics class or mock trial and I wonder what was up with that

― mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 03:35 (seven years ago)

pled/pleaded drives me insane -- I can never remember which one to use when and I'm a fucking lawyer

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 03:47 (seven years ago)

He pled "innocent" to the capital crime he was charged with and during the sentencing he pleaded for his life.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 9 February 2018 04:05 (seven years ago)

syllabuses?

i work in one of the least orthodox higher education environments known to me and mankind and even we say syllabi

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 9 February 2018 04:48 (seven years ago)

i was at a gig once where the singer was talking about someone being hung and the guy behind me kept yelling 'hanged!' and shaking his head

anyway that's how I remember the difference

― kinder, Friday, 9 February 2018 05:28 (seven years ago)

Twas poor form of him indeed to go so far as to mime it

― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Friday, 9 February 2018 08:21 (seven years ago)

couldn't see a thread for malapropisms so i'll park this here. sales guy just emailed me to explain some pricing inconsistencies on his company's website - apparently they were due to "some clichés on the system"

― faust apes (NickB), Friday, 9 February 2018 10:32 (seven years ago)

That’s beautiful.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 9 February 2018 12:21 (seven years ago)

sounds like he's got a bad platitude

― Badgers (dog latin), Friday, 9 February 2018 12:29 (seven years ago)

here's a malapropism story for you:

a friend of mine worked in a fabric shop in Glasgow called Remnant Kings. they had a chaise longue in the window of the shop that they used to re-upholster periodically in a fabric that they were trying to punt. my friend was working behind the counter one day when some older Glasgow women were having a look at that piece of furniture. One of the women came up to my friend at the counter and said:

"Excuse me, hen, can you tell me the name of the fabric you've got covering your Champs-Élysée?"

― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:24 (seven years ago)

I have thought of that story so often that when I see a chaise-longue now I can't remember what it's really called.

― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:30 (seven years ago)

LOL. It might have been my mother, she was never out of that shop, back in the day.

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

For a while I had a delightfully malaprop-prone boss who came up with lots of things like that. I'd sometimes have to hold a folder in front of my face during meetings.

One of my favorites was "Man, I hate poppyseed bagels. The Rembrandts get stuck in your teeth."

― I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

probably Tom!

― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:39 (seven years ago)

In some respects I feel bad for laughing because it was a great job and she was a great boss. And _usually_ you could figure out what she meant.

"For Christmas, let's do a Yankee Candle swap!" Okay, not actually what it's called but I know what you mean.

Sometimes, though, I was just stumped.

"Are you excited about the papple visit?"

"The what?"

"The papple visit." Took a while before it was clear that she was talking about the Pope coming to Nationals Stadium.

― I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:01 (seven years ago)

"Absorb" as used by my friend recently wjn she told me to "absorb the lesson". Probably should find friends who don't thrive on breezy ass language

― kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:20 (seven years ago)

*when

― kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:21 (seven years ago)

Papal probably

― Mordy, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:47 (seven years ago)

the paypal visit

― mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)

it's like you're always stuck in dentures heeeere

― kinder, Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

“I’m just gonna leave this here”

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:30 (seven years ago)

oh my god otm. that one has sort of died off though thankfully

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:32 (seven years ago)

that was sort of supplanted by "Boom." which was really only a twitter phenomenon and has also died off

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:32 (seven years ago)

http://gaia.adage.com/images/bin/imgstore/work/full/v/e/r/Verizon_DroptheMic17.jpg

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:33 (seven years ago)

yeah not only mic drop but that guy too, whoever he is (bootleg seth meyers?)

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:34 (seven years ago)

i've been told he's on 'silicon valley' and is okay but i don't care, i want to kill him

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:35 (seven years ago)

hell yeah

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 03:36 (seven years ago)

"burgle" as a verb is a back formation from the noun "burglar", I think, so "burglarize" also kind of makes sense.

― mahb, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 09:44 (seven years ago)

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:36 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This one drives me up the fucking wall.

― how's life, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 10:05 (seven years ago)

that's a new one to me
what does it mean, aside from being totally dismissive?

i loathe all glib canned responses like that
i think i loathe glibness in general

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 13:40 (seven years ago)

Basically it means that if you engage in risky behavior, you should expect negative consequences. In context, there's also an implication that you deserve the negative outcomes.

― how's life, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 13:54 (seven years ago)

mess with the bull, you get the horns amirite?!
it sounds like a dismissive shitty thing to say

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 13:57 (seven years ago)

I would only say that to an actual bullfighter

― scotti pruitti (wins), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 13:58 (seven years ago)

not all back formations are created equal

― ogmor, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 14:01 (seven years ago)

There is, for example, a subreddit by that name that mostly shares varying degrees of 'fail video' type antics. But I've also heard it used in real life regarding someone who OD'd on heroin.

― how's life, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 14:01 (seven years ago)

jesus
that's cruel
why is everyone such an asshole

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 14:05 (seven years ago)

Like everything else, gammon is now done lads

― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:29 (seven years ago)

I've noticed a lot of people using "macguffin" as insta-snark, like it should be immediately understood as a pejorative - kinda don't think Hitchcock was dissing his own films when he started using it?

― scotti pruitti (wins), Saturday, 24 February 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

Just standard hatred of the scotch I'm afraid

― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 February 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

maybe they are confusing macguffins with mcmuffins

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 24 February 2018 19:15 (seven years ago)

[location of latest tragedy]Strong

― mookieproof, Saturday, 24 February 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)

Otm^

― flappy bird, Saturday, 24 February 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

I prefer Je Suis

― flappy bird, Saturday, 24 February 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

Je Suis Comet Ping-Pong

― this machine slightly inconveniences fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 24 February 2018 22:18 (seven years ago)

When did 'work spouse' start, and how do we make it stop?

― Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 February 2018 12:47 (seven years ago)

Work divorce

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, 26 February 2018 13:03 (seven years ago)

"Everything happens for a reason."

― Jazzbo, Monday, 26 February 2018 14:05 (seven years ago)

The use of "around" effectively in substitution for "about" when referring to subjects of popular discourse, as in "conversations around" a topic. Though, to the extent that it may derive mistakenly from the notion of "talking around" a subject rather than really confronting it, it may be ironically accurate much of the time.

Also, the use of "clean" as a culinary term, the personal-objectionability of which has migrated from fake-food and healthy-lifestyle generally-false advertising to usage as a flavor descriptor.

― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 26 February 2018 16:31 (seven years ago)

Work divorce

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, February 26, 2018 1:03 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Who gets the kids?

― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 26 February 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

idgaf

Whomsoever travels by air the least maybe

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, 26 February 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

"work wife/husband/spouse" feels of another era, Mad Men style, is this used by anyone that doesn't fly private?

― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:22 (seven years ago)

It seems to be one of those phrases that aren't really in actual common use until they get bandied about in a few too many clickbait articles and then people start getting insecure that maybe this hip new lingo has somehow passed them by and they start using it because they mistakenly think other people are using it and by the time you start hearing it come out of the mouths of other human beings the genie is already out of the bottle and all you can do is complain to your work spouse about it.

― Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:31 (seven years ago)

seems weird that anyone would use it unless they're super sleazy, infidelity is baked into the phrase imo

― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)

it's a weird way of defining a relationship to a coworker, because it's pretty unlikely a straight male would refer to another straight male as a work husband even if they have a very marriage-like dynamic

― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:35 (seven years ago)

Guys at my last job my supervisor told me that I was expected to be my boss's "work wife" and I lost my shit. It's such an awful phrase/idea.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:37 (seven years ago)

Heh I think ol's summary has a ring of truth

One lady at my last place said oh we're totally work husband and wife! to me in front of everyone I said iirc lady I just fix printers I got nothing to say about anything else idnr was she devastated or not

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:39 (seven years ago)

was her role to break printers, because... perfect marriage

― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

lmao darragh

― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

You may be mistaking sitcom for perfect

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)

A few years ago, a longtime colleague said I was her "work sibling." I understood what she meant - we'd been at the same company for a decade, often working in parallel on the same projects, but rarely very closely. We didn't share an office or have neighboring cubicles or anything.

Still odd and unnecessary but not as skeezy as "work spouse."

― oklahomie don't play that (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

whatever happened to "friend"

― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:09 (seven years ago)

Hello darkness, my old work spouse...

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

i heard you wore a sequined blouse

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:11 (seven years ago)

Work spouse

In the middle of our st

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:11 (seven years ago)

(xp) Like it.

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:15 (seven years ago)

Also, the use of "clean" as a culinary term, the personal-objectionability of which has migrated from fake-food and healthy-lifestyle generally-false advertising to usage as a flavor descriptor.

― Moo Vaughn, Monday, February 26, 2018 4:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also, the incorrect use of "healthy" as an adverb, i.e. "eat healthy" rather than healthily.

― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:25 (seven years ago)

i think of my gf as my home colleague and the cats as interns

― ogmor, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:25 (seven years ago)

about as useful as a couple interns I've dealt with

― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

lol

― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

I think the work spouse stuff reflects that some or many peoples' needs for social contact and even emotional support extend into the workplace that I'd imagine in America in particular can be a place where many and/or odd hours of the day are spent. This may be rife with potential for trouble or abuse, but it need not be so per se, and I'm not sure that it's an inappropriate part of a job description, terminology perhaps aside. I tend by personality towards the antisocially-introverted with occasional bounded exceptions for those for whom I feel relative comfort/authentic kinship and whose time I feel comfortable claiming, but the failure to engage in such social life, whether hetero or homosocially but especially upward, can have serious professional detriments. To the extent that such contact/support may be demanded more often from women - I don't know whether that's in fact true - it likely reflects sex roles in part, but may also reflect that men are in fact generally worse at same or more uncomfortable seeking same from other men outside the bounds of certain subject-matter deemed gender-appropriate.

― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:29 (seven years ago)

Work spousal abuse

Got dark

― Simpson L. (darraghmac), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:31 (seven years ago)

I think people are constantly in a state of trying to find a model or archetype to describe their social dynamics, whether it's descriptive or prescriptive

we're always halfway between relying on myers-briggs tests or horoscopes and just being like a group of kids deciding who gets to be which power ranger or ninja turtle at recess

― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

i'm less of a donatello these days tbh

― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

the phrase always makes me think of Scottie & Midge in Vertigo

― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

i realise “blockchain” is probably a word but i don’t need to hear/read it 500 times a day

― reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 1 March 2018 09:11 (seven years ago)

"bio break"

Nope. No need. Just say short break. Ugh.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:04 (seven years ago)

"facilitate"

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:22 (seven years ago)

xp: that's super gross. never heard it before.

― how's life, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

It is, right? I've heard it three times today already. :(

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

I've never heard bio break? You should just start saying "I'm going to take an ebola break."

― Yerac, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:29 (seven years ago)

Let's take a break. TO PERFORM THE BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS OF OUR SPECIES.

― jmm, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:31 (seven years ago)

TBF most people who use bio break don't JUST mean "go to the bathroom." They also mean get some coffee or water or whatever. Basically, attend to the needs of your mammalian self. In some workplaces it still includes smoking!

But still ew. I know we're not gossamer beings of spirit and light and pure thought; you don't need to remind me.

― it's my leopard. (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:35 (seven years ago)

EXACTLY.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:38 (seven years ago)

i have never heard anyone say bio break and didn't know wtf it even referred to til someone said "bathroom"
for a minute i thought it was "get back to nature vacation"
lol

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:39 (seven years ago)

ha I thought "bio break" must be some journalism term, like "insert some biographical stuff between these two paragraphs"

― President Keyes, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

"A polite corporate term for using the restroom -or other biological necessities, usually during interminably long unnecessary meetings."

Kill me.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

Seriously with 'bio break'? Never heard that before, but now bracing myself for the inevitability of bio breaking all over myself when I start hearing it daily in the near future.

― Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

I KNOW. I've been up since 4:30 and here since 6:30. I have no tolerance for this today. I almost snapped at the guy and told him to just say break the last time he said it.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

Biohazard zone: bio break in progress

― jmm, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:49 (seven years ago)

“sammy”

― Gunther29, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

Makes me think of not just peeing, but also depositing your blood, lymphatic fluid, etc in a jar to have it analyzed and then stored on a shelf for eternity.

― how's life, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

This gives me the idea that it could mean something a high school biology class. "Damn, gotta hurry or I'll be late for bio."

So the next time I hold a meeting I'll say "Time for a bio-break. Under each of your seats you will find a tray with a preserved dead frog. Please dissect the frog, identifying and labeling the major organs."

― it's my leopard. (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

I always preferred "I have to go see a man about a horse."

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

wee in gran's flange the HR-approved phrasing, iirc

― Dan I., Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

I always preferred "I have to go see a man about a horse."

It's a dog over here.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

i have to go see a dog about a horse

― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:08 (seven years ago)

lmao

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

People calling each other "lovely" as a noun. Not like "you look lovely", but like "Hello lovely" or "thanks lovely" or even "hello lovelies" to a group.

Usually seems to be posh/middle class women to other women (I hear it at work a lot). Where did this come from? I think it started a few years ago but seems to be getting more common. It's kind of the same usage as people calling each other "love", "pet" or "duck" I suppose.

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 12:31 (seven years ago)

I think it started a few years ago

Ymmv but I've heard this in or from UK ppl for at least twenty years.

― Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 2 March 2018 12:39 (seven years ago)

There's a west country usage like "my lovely" that's been around forever but this seems different, although may have come from it I suppose.

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 12:41 (seven years ago)

Anti-Welsh racism imo :-O

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 12:48 (seven years ago)

https://noirwhale.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/farewell-my-lovely.jpg

― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 2 March 2018 12:53 (seven years ago)

Lovely is way overused. It's like the default to sound refined when praising something. I had a friend once that used the word lovely to describe every single wine.

― Yerac, Friday, 2 March 2018 13:06 (seven years ago)

Describing food as lovely in your best NPR voice is indeed annoying.

― Evan, Friday, 2 March 2018 13:08 (seven years ago)

woah that book cover should be a Smiths song

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:14 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XQZYIiNgo

― Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:08 (seven years ago)

https://pictures.abebooks.com/BATHANDWESTBOOKS/17984227977.jpg

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article10955205.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/daviesJPG.jpg

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:16 (seven years ago)

My only friend who calls me ‘lovely’ is v. middle-class, gay and from Plymouth so I’ll allow it.

― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:23 (seven years ago)

North Eastern version...

https://northeastgifts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/NE12.jpg

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:26 (seven years ago)

i think the attempt to attach a class marker to "lovely" is p strained tbh

― mark s, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:35 (seven years ago)

West Country lovelying seems to happen regardless of class background!

― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

Braw >>>> Lovely

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:52 (seven years ago)

Peng >>>>> Braw

― mark s, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

"tarmac" "TARMAC MEETING"

"unmasking"

"we live in a republic, not a democracy"

"if you love something let it go"

― marcos, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:18 (seven years ago)

"All the feels"

― p.j.b. (pj), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

"i did a thing"

― marcos, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

Good work there guys.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:57 (seven years ago)

hack-a-thon
do-a-thon
unconference

― marcos, Friday, 2 March 2018 17:02 (seven years ago)

i like lovely :(

― flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)

"trash" in almost all contexts now

― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 March 2018 05:19 (seven years ago)

p sure sapiosexual is latin for "superior person"

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:23 (seven years ago)

lol

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:24 (seven years ago)

I think the intended meaning is "I want to actually talk to people and connect and not just have sex" but half the people using it mean "I don't think people find me physically attractive, but I am deluded and think I have a sparkling intellect"

― mh, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:27 (seven years ago)

I think the intended meaning is "I want to have sex with your brain and vocabulary."

― omar little, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:30 (seven years ago)

I think that whatever the intended meaning, it's mostly a load of bullshit.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

I hate when films are advertised with:

"FROM THE GUYS WHO BROUGHT YOU..."

― omar little, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

x-post Not to offend the saps out there, mind. I don't think that's a thing but it is now.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:35 (seven years ago)

it seems kind of like the "nerd" (in the post tech boom era sense) of the dating world

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:35 (seven years ago)

the actual meaning is "I think girls are vapid"

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:36 (seven years ago)

Also "mic drop" when it's used in a news story regarding some zing that owned someone til they died. Like I guess according to the Yahoo, Hillary just did a mic drop tweet on Trump that ended his life.

― omar little, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:36 (seven years ago)

like gtfo, incredibly objectively physically attractive but non-brilliant person comes onto you and you say "sorry I'm a sapiosexual so I'm not attracted to you"?

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:36 (seven years ago)

"you wanna buy me a drink? First finish this NY Times Friday Crossword"

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

always thought sapiosexual sounded like you really wanna get out there in the spring and "tap" some maple trees yknow

― flippy bard (Will M.), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:38 (seven years ago)

http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/0513f80cf6e44c877324a94a9a640deaae47af-wm.jpg?v=3

― omar little, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:38 (seven years ago)

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

wait lol "your"

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

taking bets on whether his maximum age is 29

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

Apparently he thinks it means 'desperate to have sex with anyone posessing a vagina and a dictionary'

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 March 2018 00:37 (seven years ago)

The use of sapiosexual to describe oneself, is not in any way limited to the makes of the species. I basically take it to mean this person is going to make a big show of demonstrating how clever they think they are. In other words, steer clear.

This probably belongs more in the IE thread, but conversations that revolve around someone showing off their knowledge of this or that subject make me feel deeply uncomfortable.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:15 (seven years ago)

*males of the species

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:15 (seven years ago)

counterpoint: girls who self-describe as such also think (other) girls are vapid

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:44 (seven years ago)

there are a handful of dating profiles I've run across where that's not the case and it's just a woman who is trying to communicate that she's tired of dudes dating her until they have sex and then ghosting :/

― mh, Saturday, 10 March 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

patrick swayze really oversold the tactic theres no doubt

― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Saturday, 10 March 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

I hate when films are advertised with:
"FROM THE GUYS WHO BROUGHT YOU..."

Especially since the 'guys' are usually the producers, not the creatives.

― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:33 (seven years ago)

Wow perfect time bc “creatives” is my #1 most hated phrase of the last ~3 years

― flappy bird, Saturday, 10 March 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

“Creatives” is the tech synonym for “artists” that no one asked for

― flappy bird, Saturday, 10 March 2018 23:09 (seven years ago)

I think the "guys" part just feels like they don't want to be betas and say "producers" or "filmmakers" or "from the director of" or w/e.

― omar little, Saturday, 10 March 2018 23:22 (seven years ago)

'score the basketball'

― mookieproof, Sunday, 11 March 2018 01:10 (seven years ago)

at the end of the day, you have to score the basketball or take the L

― Dan I., Monday, 12 March 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

hubby

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:55 (seven years ago)

^ my #1 most hated

― Dan I., Monday, 12 March 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

not worse than "the wife" though

― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:59 (seven years ago)

"it's a brave new world"

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 00:06 (seven years ago)

thank god the wife never says hubby

― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 00:19 (seven years ago)

Wow, I never realized how many people use good faith and bad faith until this board. But yeah those are both super annoying.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 11:32 (seven years ago)

I don't think I've used either until the past year but they're both better than "concern trolling" which irritates me to no end

― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:42 (seven years ago)

https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13051443.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61oXBE3oLtL._SX355_.jpg

― how's life, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:04 (seven years ago)

I don't think I've used either until the past year but they're both better than "concern trolling" which irritates me to no end

What about just “disingenuous”

There’s already a word for it

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:32 (seven years ago)

"concern trolling" only irritates me when it's used outside its actual meaning (which is all the time)

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

goddam that Sartre dude and his jargon

― Finnegans woke (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:34 (seven years ago)

I'm old and think half the problem is people who enjoy provoking reactions but have no actual stance or investment in anything they're saying

― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:40 (seven years ago)

guilty

― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:48 (seven years ago)

i think most people who enjoy provoking reactions have no investment, hence the enjoyment

in fact you could say that such people acted in bad faith

― Finnegans woke (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

hubby

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, March 12, 2018 2:55 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm prescient (apologies for daily mail link)

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article.../Radio-4-listeners-reveal-phrases-STAND.html

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

i think most people who enjoy provoking reactions have no investment, hence the enjoyment
in fact you could say that such people acted in bad faith
― Finnegans woke (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:50 AM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in another word, disingenuous

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

I'm old and think half the problem is people who enjoy provoking reactions but have no actual stance or investment in anything they're saying

― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:40 (fifty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont think you actually believe that tbh

― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

"There's already a word for it" makes it seem like you think the very common and old phrase "bad faith" is some sort of faddish neologism?

― scotti pruitti (wins), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:37 (seven years ago)

it's certainly spiked in use recently

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)

Ah so if more people had started saying the word disingenuous recently would you be complaining and telling them to use the perfectly good synonym "bad faith" the

― scotti pruitti (wins), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:40 (seven years ago)

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22bad%20faith%22

― how's life, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

no because the word disingenuous doesn't annoy the shit out of me

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

As used on CNN 24 hours a day now, "breaking news."

― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

Disingenuous doesn't mean the same as "in bad faith" and certainly not in the example I gave

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

what's the word on bad medicine

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

I heard your love was like it

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:10 (seven years ago)

“Creatives” is the tech synonym for “artists” that no one asked for

― flappy bird, Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:09 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I always thought this was more of a way to make non-artist media professionals feel like artists by lumping them in with artists.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

If you’re hearing “bad faith” a lot you might reflect on why.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:23 (seven years ago)

lol

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:23 (seven years ago)

can't find the excelsior thread

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:24 (seven years ago)

“Creatives” is the tech synonym for “artists” that no one asked for
― flappy bird, Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:09 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I always thought this was more of a way to make non-artist media professionals feel like artists by lumping them in with artists.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:19 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes this too

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:37 (seven years ago)

Disingenuous doesn't mean the same as "in bad faith" and certainly not in the example I gave
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:04 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure it does, "provoking a reaction for the fun of it" is being disingenuous, or insincere.

If you’re hearing “bad faith” a lot you might reflect on why.
― Mordy, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:23 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, I do read ILX a lot

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)

"How do you feel about that?"

Feelings got us into this mess

― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)

i dont think you actually believe that tbh

― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:36 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's half the problem, but it's also half the solution

― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (seven years ago)

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/435111/how-do-you-say-come-on-man-to-a-woman

I've heard people saying phrases like down below.
"That's not cool, man"
"Dude, look at this"
"Hey, calm down, bro"
But these words are supposed to be said to a male person. (I could be wrong since I'm not an native English speaker) So what word do you use instead to say those phrases to a female person?

some sad and lol answers to this. "We expect and prefer to be treated like ladies. "Dude, guy, man, bro" -- when spoken to a lady, are considered low-class here." or the person who offers this translation guide:

“That’s not cool, man” → “That’s not cool sis.”
“Dude, look at this!” → “Girl, look at this!”
“Hey, calm down, bro” → “Sister. Calm down.”

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:59 (seven years ago)

dude is very close to becoming unisex ime. man was originally general neutral too!

Before “man” meant a male, the word “wer” or “wǣpmann” was commonly used to refer to “male human”. This word almost completely died out around the 1300s, but survives somewhat in words like “werewolf”, which literally means “man wolf”.
Women at the time were referred to as “wif” or “wīfmann“, meaning “female human”. The latter “wifmann”, eventually evolved into the word “woman”, but retained its original meaning. The word “wif” itself eventually evolved into “wife”, with its meaning obviously being changed slightly.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:09 (seven years ago)

“Creatives” is the tech synonym for “artists” that no one asked for

it's because if you are designing logos for a company you are doing something different than when you go home and paint or play with samplers or whatever on your own free time.

also it makes sense to say "We have a creative department". it sounds like they are making various things for various purposes. it also sounds productive. "art" conjures up the singular idea "work of art", which is a self-fulfilling object. "We have an art department" sounds like you have people that make individual works of art.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:09 (seven years ago)

xpost Woah! That's wild, can't believe I never ran into that before.

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

it's because if you are designing logos for a company you are doing something different than when you go home and paint or play with samplers or whatever on your own free time.

that is a graphic designer. i understand the intent of the phrase, it still makes my skin crawl because it is unnecessary, and even worse when it's used to refer to actual artists.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)

Personally I don't mind if writers, copyeditors, graphic designers, and web designers get called "creatives" or "creative professionals." It's a useful distinction from the "business side" like ad salespeople or whatever. Calling them "artists" is usually overkill.

In my youth I was a "production artist" - basically newspaper / newsletter / magazine layout - for something like $8 an hour. While there was certainly creative work involved, calling it art would have been rather grand.

If what you object to is the nouning of an adjective, you can use "creative professionals," but I think that won't stay wieldy for long.

Verbing and nouning and such is a venerable tradition in English, as even a cursory glance at a dictionary will tell you.

― I leprecan't even. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:22 (seven years ago)

https://thelawdictionary.org/good-faith/
https://thelawdictionary.org/bad-faith/

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:25 (seven years ago)

you know ive had my share

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:58 (seven years ago)

I know what it means to be a loan...

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

xpost yeah lol i dislike the words "artist" and find it bougie and self important. art isnt something common people should be alienated from, which tends to be the case.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:33 (seven years ago)

Yes, let's use 'creatives' instead.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:38 (seven years ago)

yeah, and maths and science and sports and woodwork

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:38 (seven years ago)

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:39 (seven years ago)

it's important not to alienate people from things that are good for them, i think we should call doctors "ouch mechanics"

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:40 (seven years ago)

teachers could be "school cops"

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:42 (seven years ago)

well, that'd make it easier to justify arming them for sure

― in conclusion, it is good to peel the sheeps (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:52 (seven years ago)

that's what i was thinking

― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:57 (seven years ago)

I am never saying 'fake news' ever again, even in jest.

― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

tbh i don't mind being called an artist for rewriting your fuck-awful prose, in fact i demand it

― mark s, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 13:39 (seven years ago)

the notion of common, normal or regular people is not to be accepted

― ogmor, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

7 billion legernds

― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:32 (seven years ago)

mrs yanis varoufakis, ogmor is calling u out itt

― in conclusion, it is good to peel the sheeps (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:35 (seven years ago)

any reference to or spin on 'taking my talents to miami'

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)

it's important not to alienate people from things that are good for them

your zings missed my point. it's not about alienating people from consuming art but creating it. similar to the alienation of workers from the fruits of their labor. "you can't make art you are a construction worker, leave it to the gifted artists". art for all. im a big fan of Breton.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

"fake news" is still useful for trolling trolls when you get roped into a dumb argument on someone's facebook wall

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:51 (seven years ago)

"fake news" is still useful for trolling trolls when you get roped into a dumb argument on someone's facebook wall

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:51 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*8xC2X0pD7tCmT9DY6XN-jw.jpeg

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

"Hack" for stuff that is not tech-related. Russia "hacked" the election, used by dumb boomers who don't know the difference between literally altering votes and posting some targeted ads on facebook.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:06 (seven years ago)

definitely. "life hack" is a bad one

― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:12 (seven years ago)

life hack is bad, intentionally posting in a way that subverts algorithmic boosting of popular content is a sort of hack

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:21 (seven years ago)

that's not what they did either

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:21 (seven years ago)

but in any case, that's at most hacking a social media algorithm, it's not hacking an election

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:22 (seven years ago)

if someone makes a viral quiz that is not in fact a quiz in substance, and you get tons of people quote-unquote figuring out their personality type when you are actually just grabbing a list of friends, that is a hack. not a technically proficient hack, but social engineering is hacking by any grey hat definition and that is social engineering

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:25 (seven years ago)

true, that has nothing directly related to election hacking

that involves irony poisoning

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:25 (seven years ago)

we used to live in a golden age when "hacking" meant driving a taxi on nights and weekends to make a bit of extra cash so you could afford a few niceties like an electric shoeshine machine or a tin of the top-shelf brilliantine

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:29 (seven years ago)

that's also not an accurate description of what cambridge analytica did fwiw, although I'm being a little pedantic. All third party apps at the time grabbed your friends' info, it was part of facebook's stated policy that they could do so. What cambridge did was just pretend to be research for academic purposes when it was actually for its own political-related purposes. But also, cambridge =/= russia.

irony poisoning is also a dumb phrase

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:29 (seven years ago)

Hey, let's be sure that we're really precise in our language in opposing a bunch of inveterate pathological liars

― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 04:15 (seven years ago)

I wasn’t a huge fan of “irony poisoning” myself but people who are familiar with online trolls tend to catch on to it more quickly on discussion than just saying “well, your young friend voted for Trump due to deep cynicism”

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:22 (seven years ago)

i had never heard irony poisoning before reading these posts and now i get it
i think it's a useful phrase to describe something that would take more words otherwise

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

comes from consuming too many irony supplements

― jmm, Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:46 (seven years ago)

I guess it sounds like a real thing but I'm also very suspicious of anyone who wholesale criticizes irony. That was big after 9/11.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 14:15 (seven years ago)

that's fine but saying that someone has been poisoned by something doesn't dismiss the thing wholesale -- different things can be poisonous/toxic to different people

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 14:43 (seven years ago)

alcohol poisoning is a logical comparison?
irony can be intoxicating to people and i think it's possible to OD on it

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)

> "Hack" for stuff that is not tech-related.

it wasn't originally. https://www.dourish.com/goodies/jargon.html

HACK n.
1. Originally a quick job that produces what is needed, but not well.
2. The result of that job.
3. NEAT HACK: A clever technique. Also, a brilliant practical joke, where neatness is correlated with cleverness, harmlessness, and surprise value. Example: the Caltech Rose Bowl card display switch circa 1961.
...

― koogs, Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

yeah this morning in discussing a task for a project i was like "I can hack that" but meaning like, I can manage, I can make it through, make it work.... not like "I can disrupt the system and infiltrate with a devilishly clever shortcut" or whatever.

― lol dis stance dunk (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:31 (seven years ago)

it's a term of art in journalism too

― Mordy, Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

I kind of blame late gen x/early millennials for the explosion of ironic disconnect and trolling -- shades of that dumb gag on The Simpsons in the mid 90s "Dude, are you being ironic?" "I don't even know anymore"

when your basic view of entertainment is based on pranking people who have actual opinions or convictions and subverting them, and that becomes your go-to mode of social interaction, then you really lose track of how to interact with people authentically

that's how I break down "irony poisoning" to an extent.

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

it seems like an effort to remain detached, untouched, unaffected
only we have never been able to afford being that detached so the detachment is poisonous/bad

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

rather, only the most privileged among us can afford not to care

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

a friend was trying to figure out how to explain to her coworker, a young man in grad school, that he was in fact partially responsible for our current political situation because "voting for Trump for the lols" meant he did, in fact, vote for Trump

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:55 (seven years ago)

What a tool

― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

what a fool!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

the voting booth doesn't care about your feelings

― playing in his high school band “The Velvet Pickle” (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 March 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

"on team <whatever>" as a term of support

like when the hell did everything become something you have to root for

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:28 (seven years ago)

Yeah I'm not such a fan of that

― scotti pruitti (wins), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:58 (seven years ago)

There was a good article about the 4chan style of anything-goes/you-mad-bro banter / humour and how toxic it has been to discourse ever since it leaked out of that environment, but fucked if I can find it now, does anyone know where it is?

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:14 (seven years ago)

lol wins

― lol dis stance dunk (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)

My first awareness of "Team _____" was when it leaked out of Twilight fandom.

― yamnesia (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:45 (seven years ago)

“it’s just like inception” whenever any situation is slightly unusual and nothing at all like inception

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:27 (seven years ago)

imo the worst (best?) is when you proclaim you're on a team for something that has no opposition? or at least not an obvious polar opposite

I was reminded the Team Whatever thing irritated me when looking at a poorly-constructed defense of some Canadian musician accused of assault over on ilm. The writer was "Team <Bandname>". Like, who is the other party, here? Bands without rapist lead singers?

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:30 (seven years ago)

I guess it's just time to throw in the towel on cliché-as-adjective?

I'm going to die a bitter old crank.

― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:33 (seven years ago)

Don't know if we've had this already, but people replacing "literally" with "figuratively" - have come across this a couple of times in the last week.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

hahaha

― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

Oh no

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:02 (seven years ago)

Hadrian, the noun derives from an adjective (it's an adjective in French - a past participle, as denoted by the accent).

If you don't like it I can't convince you otherwise. But I don't think it's much more barbaric than thousand other similar forms. One might call something a waterproof, a built-in, a submersible, a dirigible, a mobile, a paperback, a hardcover, a fleece. Woolens, silks, satins. We say of a guitar that it is an acoustic or an electric. We say of a wine that it is a red, or a white.

I think of cliché-as-adjective as a synonym of overused, which is what it means. "That has become cliché" is the same as saying "that has become overused." We would never say "that is an overused."

― yamnesia (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

This is English dammit! We also say "the hoi poloi" when in Greek hoi is the article. I am holding out hope that this will revert to its status as solecism and is just millennial-symptomatic.

Anyway it means *more* than merely "overused," right? Which is maybe why it grates so much on these ears, double-misuse flag.

― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:25 (seven years ago)

btw I came here to complain about "folks"—why the fuck is every group of people suddenly "folks"?—and just overheard someone w/ "so cliche"

― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)

“folks” is growing popular because it’s unquestionably gender-neutral. Perceived marking of “guys” and “dudes” varies from speaker to speaker. “You people” sounds rude. “Y’all” is too regional/marked to start saying on purpose. Hence, “folks”

― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:30 (seven years ago)

I'm talking about straight swap "folks" for "people." Not in the second person as a term of address.

― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:32 (seven years ago)

It strikes me as pol-speak designed to ingratiate that has leaked into the general population.

― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:33 (seven years ago)

I’ve been at a training this week where one of the facilitators uses “all the things” constantly and it’s been driving me up the wall.

― JoeStork, Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:50 (seven years ago)

Yeah I'm not such a fan of that

*so* not a fan

bobby spirals has convinced me that you lot > y'all

― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 March 2018 23:32 (seven years ago)

Don't think I could straight-facedly say that as an AmE speaker

― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 22 March 2018 23:33 (seven years ago)

i've lived in the south, but as someone not born there i am unable to say y'll

― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 March 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

it seems like an effort to remain detached, untouched, unaffected
only we have never been able to afford being that detached so the detachment is poisonous/bad
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:54 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
rather, only the most privileged among us can afford not to care
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:54 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

irony still has aristocratic associations for a lot of ppl, I see ppl react like it's an extravagance to be played out to the court, a piece of out of touch tyranny of a piece with nero fiddling while rome burns, but I don't think it's true. ime the awareness that drives detachment comes through bitter experience. there's a great james baldwin bit on the irony in the blues in the fire next time but I can't find it

― ogmor, Friday, 23 March 2018 09:39 (seven years ago)

there's a particular type of bright-eyed earnestness/engagement that feels intrinsically (upper-) middle class to me, a certain sense of security and not having to be on your guard at all times?

― soref, Friday, 23 March 2018 09:54 (seven years ago)

two weeks pass...

the word "bias" used as an adjective

― Number None, Monday, 9 April 2018 08:19 (seven years ago)

imo the worst (best?) is when you proclaim you're on a team for something that has no opposition? or at least not an obvious polar opposite

I like this because it's a good example of semantic broadening... the phrase has gone from declaring allegiance to one side to simply indicating you support someone or something. A very reasonable interpretation, as being on a team is as much a declaration of identity as it is one of conflict. Also illustrative of the fact that meaning arises from the ongoing parsing of utterances by all speakers, which often ends up different from what the speaker meant. Like, this is not signal degradation or corruption, simply that the act of people hearing you say something always involves acts of bespoke definition. And the valence of what you say is mainly a function of the experiences of the people that hear you, and never exactly what you meant. Civilization overloading human language itself with more semantic discretion than it can bear being something of a privileged act, and the resulting judgements that arise from it. Makes for some really good novels though.

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:14 (seven years ago)

excuse my rambling there is work I don't want to do

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

the word "bias" used as an adjective
― Number None, Monday, 9 April 2018 08:19 (seven hours ago) Permalink

I didn't know that this was happening. Gross.

― I'm Finn thanks, don't mention it (fionnland), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:32 (seven years ago)

Where did "it me" come from?

― bone thugs & prosody (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:40 (seven years ago)

http://www.papermag.com/an-interview-with-pastaversaucy-the-inventor-of-the-it-me-meme-1427658503.html

might even be true, I think "on fleek" has a similarly attested online origin

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

"erasure" gets tossed around too much these days

― marcos, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

considering they haven't had a decent hit since the mid '90s

― Number None, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:44 (seven years ago)

they still have a right to be tossed around dammit

― vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)

f hazel otm como siempre

Also illustrative of the fact that meaning arises from the ongoing parsing of utterances by all speakers, which often ends up different from what the speaker meant.
esp when the utterance is loaded with references that carry meaning, which is why you should try to avoid using references to indicate anything important because not everyone even knows what you're referring to. assuming comprehension of a message containing a reference is a recipe for misunderstanding. if that's your aim, go for it. if you aim to communicate clearly, avoid using references to imply anything you truly want your audience to understand as you intend. that is why we have words, no?

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 9 April 2018 20:16 (seven years ago)

'Friend' as in 'acquaintance'.

― pomenitul, Monday, 9 April 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

This has probably been mentioned but I find the rhetorical flourishes of "I'm really glad there's...." (when the writer isn't glad) or "It's almost like there's..." (when something is obvious I guess) hard to parse and quite annoying to read. It gets widely used here and on twitter.

― badg, Monday, 9 April 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

"we don't deserve ___"

― marcos, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

"___ is the ____ we deserve"

― marcos, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

heard a girl say v card the other day which i haven't heard for so long i figured its use was over

― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)

Should we really be teaching our children that losing their virginity involes punching something?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 13 April 2018 14:57 (seven years ago)

We shouldn’t be teaching our young people that “virginity” is a real thing tbh.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 13 April 2018 14:57 (seven years ago)

"what were you thinking"

pointless expression as it usually implies you weren't thinking at all

― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

xp otm, get rid of the concept

― ogmor, Friday, 13 April 2018 15:14 (seven years ago)

otm get rid of the concept -- it's a cudgel for the oppressor if i am being grandiose

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

OTM the whole concept is ridiculous.

― Yerac, Friday, 13 April 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

Keep it for olive oil, though. I ain't eatin' no slut-ass olive oil.

― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 13 April 2018 16:13 (seven years ago)

I usually prefer extra raw dogged olive oil.

― Yerac, Friday, 13 April 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

once you go black, etc

― DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 13 April 2018 16:23 (seven years ago)

"bop" feels so forced to me

― rob, Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:21 (seven years ago)

"bop" has been vetted

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 April 2018 19:19 (seven years ago)

a few:

"spicy" - overheard a guy use this when saying he brought a date to grad - phrase needs extinction asap unless you're describing food

next one's more of a conversation i seem to hear endlessly from young students on the bus I take home (probably 21 ish)

"I feel so old. I want to stay young, when you're young you make mistakes and learn from them, but when you're old, you should know better"

to which i said "I'm 34, you can still progress in life".

― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 06:07 (seven years ago)

I wish in the past I had tried more things 'cause now I know that being in trouble is a fake idea

― mh, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 13:47 (seven years ago)

(my friend gave me a framed version of the achewood comic containing that particular aphorism and I sometimes stare at it and ponder https://achewood.myshopify.com/products/comic-strip-ray-gets-sort-of-stoned)

― mh, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 13:49 (seven years ago)

Thot makes me so angry

― ian, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:37 (seven years ago)

"architecting"

― mh, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

I'm not crying, you're crying.

― neutral yogurt (doo dah), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

"Electronic" instead of digital, online etc. "I'll send an electronic copy" ... so you're going to build a circuit from voltage sources, resistors, capacitors etc which mimics the document?
It's 2018, people. Handling information with a computer doesn't make it "electronic". Send me a digital copy as an attachment, sure. I'm not "logging on" to your website when I access it, either.

― startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 April 2018 07:36 (seven years ago)

the only person who gets to use thot should be John Berryman

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 26 April 2018 07:45 (seven years ago)

"eye candy" is dehumanizing in the extreme

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

AFAIK you can use it to talk about things that are not human

― Mordy, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

if only it were confined to non-human objects, I'd be more ok with it.

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

MatthewK does it bother you when people say "email" and do you think it should be changed to "digimail" ?

― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 April 2018 13:07 (seven years ago)

The crying with laughter emoji

The phrase "made me spit out me tea" and it's variants

Basically anything that's "I have a sense of humour, me"

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 27 April 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

LOL, so true. ROTFLMAO RN.

― a REAL SCARIE robot!!!! (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 April 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

That crying with laughter emoji (the one on its side) is the absolute worst.

― Yerac, Friday, 27 April 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

emojis are neither words, usages, nor phrases

― flappy bird, Friday, 27 April 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-the-year-2015

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Friday, 27 April 2018 17:10 (seven years ago)

well deserved award. i stand corrected

― flappy bird, Friday, 27 April 2018 17:11 (seven years ago)

had enough of "I'm screaming" now

― nashwan, Friday, 27 April 2018 17:17 (seven years ago)

If it’s not a word, please inform my work WhatsApp thread, as it’s approx 60% of all characters

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 27 April 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)

I'd argue that emojis count, mostly because I want to denounce their existence itt.

― a REAL SCARIE robot!!!! (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 April 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

😂

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 27 April 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)

you are all monsters

― brimstead, Friday, 27 April 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

The one that bothers me is 'feelsgoodman' vs 'feelbadman', which seems to make up about a third of all online discourse.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 27 April 2018 22:17 (seven years ago)

the 100 emoji is bad and overused

― marcos, Friday, 27 April 2018 22:58 (seven years ago)

~~100~~ I mean otm

― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 27 April 2018 23:16 (seven years ago)

"pain points"

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 April 2018 23:30 (seven years ago)

i haven't heard pain points, hit me with an example. make my head hurt

"feels good/bad man" is awful but definitely seems like that one has receded in the past 2 or so years.

― flappy bird, Saturday, 28 April 2018 01:21 (seven years ago)

Hacking on the ILX codebase has a lot of pain points due to accumulated technical debt. We’re scoping some major refactoring for the next sprint.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 28 April 2018 02:11 (seven years ago)

^ that's quite beautiful, but only if you look past everything it exemplifies

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 28 April 2018 02:16 (seven years ago)

the 100 emoji is bad and overused

― marcos, Friday, April 27, 2018 5:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I haven’t seen this used much at all this year!

― mh, Saturday, 28 April 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

perhaps the most monstrous construction of our age is any patronising, pernickety, hectoring or aggressive comment prepended with "sorry"

it's for ppl whose esteem is based on pedantry and a self-congratulatory sense of correctness. i'm not sure what ppl think they mean when they write it (it's too obviously dickish to be common in spoken english), but it's amongst the most smug uses of ironic politeness going, but ofc it does at least serve the function of marking out its users as pure evil

― ogmor, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

"sorry" became "sorry (not sorry)" with the sarcasm baked in at some point

― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

is it okay to point out that the people who support Trump fundamentally don't care if he had an affair with multiple porn stars, covered them up, paid them off, then lied about them repeatedly, let alone if he violated a campaign finance law
— Adam Sternbergh (@sternbergh) May 3, 2018

"it it okay to point out"

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:13 (seven years ago)

all meaningless prefaces should be eliminated

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)

sorry let me try that again
i was wondering if there is any way that we could possibly come to some kind of an agreement that all meaningless prefaces should be eliminated

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:15 (seven years ago)

meaningless and also the smug "watch out, i'm going to say something very smart and original now!" overtone to it

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:16 (seven years ago)

"dark timeline"
"lawful good/chaotic neutral/etc." being applied to everything like everybody is a D&D player now

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:18 (seven years ago)

a more disingenuously tentative cousin to "Can I just..." "I'm just gonna..." etc. xp

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:18 (seven years ago)

if only i were the sort of person to respond to all of these people with "yes it is ok" or "yes you may"
"go right ahead"
"permission granted"

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

That is SO not okay to point out.

I often fall into the habit of appending "I think" to the front of posts. Declarative sentences feel too exposed.

― jmm, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

*prepending? whatever

― jmm, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:22 (seven years ago)

"I think" is useful when you want to infer "This is my belief but feel free to disagree and I'm not stuck on it or anything"

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

(As opposed to "My opinion is the literal truth, no other opinion counts.")

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

"i think" is useful when you don't want to look like one of those ilmos who post like their personal opinions are coming straight from Mount Olympus

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

i've noticed that men have started to "i think" and "i feel like"/ other softeners more than they used to
we were advised to remove all hedging and softeners from our communications so we could sound more like men, more assertive, and look what happens next

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:27 (seven years ago)

we could still carry on moving in opposite directions just to see how it works out

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:30 (seven years ago)

i feel like that would be an interesting experiment

― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:32 (seven years ago)

i think you might be right

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:33 (seven years ago)

i hereby grant you permission from my perch atop mount olympus

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

pffffht.
I rarely NEVER express my feelings. And if I did, nothing barring nature's stoic expanse would behold the majestic howlings of the lone wolf.

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

what the fuck are "feelings"

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

it's for ppl whose esteem is based on pedantry and a self-congratulatory sense of correctness

this is absolutely true and unfortunately seems to describe most of my experience of the internet!

sorry if i have ever used sorry as a meaningless preface, but

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

perhaps the most monstrous construction of our age is any patronising, pernickety, hectoring or aggressive comment prepended with "sorry"

― ogmor, Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:23 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't speak for anybody else but for me it generally means "I am trying to signal to you that I would prefer not to be yelled at for this"

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

as in, the "patronizing" and "hectoring" part is editorializing; for me, it means "I disagree with you enough that I'm moved to say something, but really don't want to get into a fight about it [because I hate getting into fights]"

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

“That is a thing that happened”

Surely mentioned somewhere upthread but I read it today and almost threw my phone out a window

― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

xp i'm moved to tell you that yr a terrible person but i don't want to get into a fight about it

― ogmor, Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

I mean the ideal outcome of any such comment would be "sorry, I didn't take that into account, I'll do better next time"

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)

I often fall into the habit of appending "I think" to the front of posts. Declarative sentences feel too exposed.

― jmm, Thursday, May 3, 2018 10:21 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark

yeah often this is necessary. people tend to take opinions in a very hostile way. if you offer up your view on a thread topic there is a 50% chance you didn't read the entire thread and somebody has decided there is a generally accepted narrative of discussion going on and now you are attacking it or somebody directly when in fact you just wanted to throw in your 2 cents.

statements made on the internet are opinions, this should be assumed for every post on the internet ever.

you do not have to both agree on the same opinion. two differing opinions can co-exist.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:57 (seven years ago)

one man's thoughts

― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:21 (seven years ago)

the problem is that 'I think' is 4 characters longer than 'imo'; and 'imo' is an easier tell of someone posting their opinion than 'I think' which people might graze over ('imo' is more in your face and less prone to grazing.)

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

I might of meant glazing

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

i write imo a lot
the rest does waste space, i agree
if you're gonna add a disclaimer, do it efficiently for yourself & the message's recipients imo

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:41 (seven years ago)

like if you read this message board and dont think just about everything is an opinion i rly dont think any1 can help u

― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:04 (seven years ago)

it's a tone thing

― brimstead, Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:11 (seven years ago)

"i think"

― brimstead, Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:11 (seven years ago)

i hate this thread so much

― brimstead, Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:11 (seven years ago)

so is this but ppl still complain abt it and like to tell u 1 is better than the other:

"it it okay to point out"
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, May 3, 2018 7:13 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
all meaningless prefaces should be eliminated
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, May 3, 2018 7:14 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:16 (seven years ago)

Regadless of whether imo is shorter, language can be a plaything - obfuscation and meandering are worth something

― done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:16 (seven years ago)

This forum is not without posters who believe all of their opinions are pure objective, unarguable facts.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)

Is that a fact?

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:36 (seven years ago)

my posts are true facts stated

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:37 (seven years ago)

In my humble opinion, I think it is

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:57 (seven years ago)

Everything’s radically subjective - can’t believe we’re still arguing about this

― done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:58 (seven years ago)

I don't think that fewer keystrokes = better communication. Or more clarity.

All of this is a voluntary leisure activity. If I want to type "in my opinion" instead of "imo" it harms you in no way whatsoever.

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:13 (seven years ago)

Well you can’t argue with the facts

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:21 (seven years ago)

Something being better because of fewer characters was a joke :/

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:22 (seven years ago)

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:23 (seven years ago)

(also a joke btw)

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:24 (seven years ago)

But yeah, if you need extra clarity of whether or not you are saying an opinion it’s because your target audience might include slow folk.

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:27 (seven years ago)

all too common in a large forum or comment section

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:28 (seven years ago)

Well this is disturbing https://t.co/TKbAQornkc pic.twitter.com/nTfyRQAftZ
— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) May 2, 2018

what the hell

― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:28 (seven years ago)

I'm one of those awful people who reads it as honest, not humble

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:31 (seven years ago)

I thought maybe it was just people that read buzzfeed, wtf dude

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:32 (seven years ago)

My excuse is that I'm so old, I can't properly translate internet lingo

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:33 (seven years ago)

yeah often this is necessary. people tend to take opinions in a very hostile way.

Old ILX was awful about taking things personally unless you added imo more or whatever.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:34 (seven years ago)

taking sides: ppl who describe themselves as honest vs ppl who describe themselves as humble

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

Humble is definitely the dud here

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:06 (seven years ago)

Call yer self honest sure that sounds reasonable enough - but calling yourself humble? Whole other level of bullshit

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:07 (seven years ago)

wait it’s *not* honest????

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:29 (seven years ago)

i’m so old i remember when it was on irc and usenet and shit and was always “humble”

I’ve never said “honest opinion” because calling yourself honest is worse than feigning self-effacing right

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2018 00:31 (seven years ago)

Can’t bullshit the bullshitter - sage advice

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:32 (seven years ago)

If I humiliate myself often enough, do I get to call myself humble?

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:32 (seven years ago)

Humiliatable maybe

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:33 (seven years ago)

trying to find a cite pre-2000 but every irc guide has it as humble

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2018 00:34 (seven years ago)

i thought it was in my hot opinion

― forensic plumber (harbl), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:46 (seven years ago)

in my horny opinion imo

― mookieproof, Friday, 4 May 2018 00:48 (seven years ago)

bitch
be humble

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

I’ve never said “honest opinion” because calling yourself honest is worse than feigning self-effacing right

― mh, Thursday, May 3, 2018 5:31 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is it???

then again i never use “imho” anyway

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:04 (seven years ago)

mookieproof otm

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:04 (seven years ago)

in my horrible opinion

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)

in my herodotean opprobrium

― F# A# (∞), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:07 (seven years ago)

brb re-reading all posts made on ilx containing "imho" where people actually, falsely, thought the h meant honestly instead of humble wtf you bunch of unhumblebraggers

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:08 (seven years ago)

in my hypoallergenic opinion

heterozygous

hermeneutic

hypnagogic

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:08 (seven years ago)

Holy shit the humble / honest thing is turning my world upside down. Humble obv

― flappy bird, Friday, 4 May 2018 01:29 (seven years ago)

this is like a mini version of The Dress

― flappy bird, Friday, 4 May 2018 01:29 (seven years ago)

the only real choice

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2018 01:36 (seven years ago)

in my hopinion

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2018 01:36 (seven years ago)

hipinion

― forensic plumber (harbl), Friday, 4 May 2018 01:42 (seven years ago)

wtf about imho! I feel like finding one of those "internet for dummies" books from like 1995 and waving the "internet lingo" box on page 23 in the "honest" people's faces. Do you see!

― Dan I., Friday, 4 May 2018 02:02 (seven years ago)

what

― flappy bird, Friday, 4 May 2018 05:04 (seven years ago)

it's humble

― flappy bird, Friday, 4 May 2018 05:04 (seven years ago)

I’ll make humble pie outta yall

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:05 (seven years ago)

Its def hunble - I've been online since like the mid 90s and it was always humble

Or its better cousin IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion).

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:19 (seven years ago)

thats kind of sassy

― flappy bird, Friday, 4 May 2018 05:21 (seven years ago)

literally have no idea why i’ve been reading it as “honest” for years i’m SORRY

then again this wouldn’t be the first time i read an internet acronym wrong for an unreasonable amount of time

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:24 (seven years ago)

Like yer face ?

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:24 (seven years ago)

BTW I thought this thread had clusterfucked because "may the 4th be with you".

NO. ITS AS FUNNY AS TALK LIKE A PIRATE DAY.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:38 (seven years ago)

...and Talk Like a Pirate Day is only funny like once.

Dan, gah, I had forgotten that people used to buy books to tell them how to internet.

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 May 2018 08:33 (seven years ago)

to be fair IANAL was tough to parse in the era of iEverything.

― startled macropod (MatthewK), Friday, 4 May 2018 08:44 (seven years ago)

fixation on words used as opposed to addressing the general thrust of a point/comment/whatever is the weakest of sauce and is to the fore of everything that is wrong with ilx/politics/the world

imho

― .b derf (darraghmac), Friday, 4 May 2018 09:11 (seven years ago)

Otm

― F# A# (∞), Friday, 4 May 2018 09:20 (seven years ago)

Eh. I'm pretty sure it's "honest" for most people

― Evan, Friday, 4 May 2018 11:36 (seven years ago)

At this point. But hey maybe not

― Evan, Friday, 4 May 2018 11:40 (seven years ago)

IT'S HUMBLE

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Friday, 4 May 2018 12:09 (seven years ago)

will this be the catalyst for the inevitable schism

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Friday, 4 May 2018 12:10 (seven years ago)

lol @ "This is disturbing" for real?

mark me down for the need to FEEL DEEPLY AND PUBLICLY about every single subject known to man, including how people use insignificant acronyms. yall, why so emo?

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2018 12:51 (seven years ago)

maybe his life is the greatest most stress free life anyone has ever known and this really is the most disturbing thing he has ever encountered

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2018 12:52 (seven years ago)

Have you never come across jokey hyperbole before?

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Friday, 4 May 2018 12:53 (seven years ago)

i have and the more i do the more it annoys the shit out of me. hence the inclusion on this thread.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2018 12:57 (seven years ago)

it actually causes u to defecate?

― .b derf (darraghmac), Friday, 4 May 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)

literally

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 May 2018 13:48 (seven years ago)

Missed you deems

― Tosser full of secrets (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 13:58 (seven years ago)

"The media won't show you..."

― frogbs, Friday, 4 May 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

“In my humble opinion” predates the internet, right?

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:13 (seven years ago)

Sounds like a civil servant phrase, totally

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:15 (seven years ago)

In my experience IMHO is often tweaked to IMNSHO for "in my not-so-humble opinion."

So would partisans on the "honest" side read IMNSHO as "in my not-so-honest opinion"?

I mean, WTF?

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:23 (seven years ago)

(by the way WTF can either stand for What Tiny Frogs or Wet Tinsel Failures)

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

this is like a mini version of The Dress

the dress was 96 RAF Matt Blue in my humbrol opinion

― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:33 (seven years ago)

applause

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:35 (seven years ago)

so dorky

― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:40 (seven years ago)

IT'S HUMBLE

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Friday, May 4, 2018 8:09 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Look, I know! But I feel like I hear people actually SAY "in my honest opinion, blah blah blah" so I'd be inclined to believe that there's a reasonable chance many or most are in that camp. I could be way off.

― Evan, Friday, 4 May 2018 17:18 (seven years ago)

in my fictionalized opinion

― k bups (rip van wanko), Friday, 4 May 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

in my humdrum opinion

― F# A# (∞), Friday, 4 May 2018 17:26 (seven years ago)

people say "do you want my honest opinion?" but I have seldom heard "in my honest opinion"

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

Yeah that and “I’ll give you my honest opinion” are constructions that people actually use, nobody says “in my honest opinion” really

Whereas “in my humble opinion” as stated above was in common use pre-internet (WAY pre-internet would be my guess)

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:25 (seven years ago)

Have always thought it was honest. :(

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:29 (seven years ago)

Well it is now, by the looks of it!

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

R ppl being honest??????

― F# A# (∞), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

i have plenty of dishonest opinions.

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

wins otm, but what does it matter anyway?

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

opinions are like assholes, one of the body’s more humble orifices

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

Wins unfuckwithable as usual

― That’s All Folks... (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 18:45 (seven years ago)

"wrong opinion" is the biggest offender

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

In more humble orifices

― Evan, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:37 (seven years ago)

taking sides: in my hairy orifices vs in my hirsute orifices

― F# A# (∞), Friday, 4 May 2018 19:38 (seven years ago)

Honestly Abe held the orifice of president quite humbly

― k bups (rip van wanko), Friday, 4 May 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)

https://pics.me.me/Instagram-a5d107.png

― Evan, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

“imwo” has a good ring to it

darragh could deploy it well

― mh, Saturday, 5 May 2018 01:48 (seven years ago)

lol 'in my wicked opinion'

― flappy bird, Saturday, 5 May 2018 04:00 (seven years ago)

this doesn’t annoy me but since everyone’s here i have a question: why ‘latinx’ instead of just ‘latin’?

― mookieproof, Saturday, 5 May 2018 08:27 (seven years ago)

Because it’s non-gender specific and ‘latin’ as adjective has a wider remit than describing people. Also, this is the descriptor Latinx people they keep saying they prefer.

― suzy, Saturday, 5 May 2018 09:00 (seven years ago)

“imwo” has a good ring to it
darragh could deploy it well

In my waspish opinion.

― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 May 2018 09:54 (seven years ago)

That was pish in my opinion

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Saturday, 5 May 2018 09:56 (seven years ago)

Ooh, clever.

― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 May 2018 09:59 (seven years ago)

I am still kinda sad latinx won out over latin@

― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 5 May 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

it was inspired by Adam’s wrong opinion post

imwo = in my wrong opinion

― mh, Saturday, 5 May 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

lol that is awesome

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 May 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

i see "clutching my pearls" all over the internet now and i blame drew matmos. he should be the only person who says that.

― scott seward, Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

"alcohol is a depressant" to mean one can feel depressed when drinking alcohol

― kinder, Saturday, 5 May 2018 19:25 (seven years ago)

Americans describing all drugs of abuse as “narcotics”. Cocaine and amphetamine are not exactly sleep-inducing.

― startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 6 May 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

sometimes you really need to concentrate on sleep to get there

― mh, Sunday, 6 May 2018 22:16 (seven years ago)

"Reaching out".
What happened to just contacting or getting in touch with someone? Reaching out my arse, fucking hell what a precious pile of shite.

― Does anybody remember laughter? *audience screams* (Matt #2), Sunday, 6 May 2018 22:17 (seven years ago)

Wait, isn't "getting in touch" a similarly euphemistic phrase?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 6 May 2018 22:30 (seven years ago)

just shorting to 'touching' everyone happy

― .b derf (darraghmac), Sunday, 6 May 2018 22:34 (seven years ago)

sending a text message, aka “invisible touch” (ah)

― mh, Sunday, 6 May 2018 23:23 (seven years ago)

i like reach out but only because when i see/hear it i instantly hear the four tops REACH OUT! otherwise, i hate it very much

― forensic plumber (harbl), Monday, 7 May 2018 00:10 (seven years ago)

poke

― flappy bird, Monday, 7 May 2018 01:01 (seven years ago)

"Let that sink in." Typically follows immediate and obvious points that don't need to "sink in" at all.

"expertly trolled"

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 7 May 2018 04:03 (seven years ago)

both execrable, yes. i feel like "let that sink in" is on its way out though - i rarely see it used earnestly anymore. "expertly trolled" i haven't heard but i hate anything that includes any variation of "troll"

― flappy bird, Monday, 7 May 2018 04:08 (seven years ago)

I’d really like to encourage everyone to just not say anything you’ve heard someone else say. It’s not doing anyone any good at this point.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 7 May 2018 04:20 (seven years ago)

i like that idea 230 times

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 May 2018 04:26 (seven years ago)

No results found for "i like that idea 230 times".
nice resultless new phrase

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 May 2018 04:27 (seven years ago)

Americans describing all drugs of abuse as “narcotics

don’t align me with politicians and cops mannnn

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 7 May 2018 04:33 (seven years ago)

gotta respect the onthenoseitude of "Shell Productions"

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, May 7, 2018 3:56 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Your search - onthenoseitude - did not match any documents.

― you bet, nancy (map), Monday, May 7, 2018 4:13 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'onthenoseness' About 298 results (0.25 seconds)

'onthenosedness' About 4 results (0.24 seconds)

Frequency of 'onthenoseness' seems to have shot up over the last couple of years or so. None of these really annoy me, though.

― soref, Monday, 7 May 2018 04:57 (seven years ago)

xp #notallamericans_mann

― startled macropod (MatthewK), Monday, 7 May 2018 05:42 (seven years ago)

Americans describing all drugs of abuse as “narcotics

upthenoseness

― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Monday, 7 May 2018 09:25 (seven years ago)

i kinda miss when squares called everything dope. didn't matter what drug it was. he's been taking dope!

― scott seward, Monday, 7 May 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)

"dope fiend" is still the coolest term to me.

but that's not what this thread is for. i'm sick of hearing the word "benzo" all the time.

― scott seward, Monday, 7 May 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

Adding -y to nouns, making them adjectives, especially prevalent in criticism ("It's a house-y vibe").

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m54F9fIbTdg

― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

"It's a house-y vibe"

this is truly a nationwide phenomenon. no way to tell how everyone picked it up. probably from television. people on t.v. do it a lot.

shows like the simpsons definitely added things to everyday life. then comedians would use it and then everyone else. like if someone farted and they would get called Farty McFarterson or whatever. that was a nationwide phenom that PROBABLY originated with the simpsons?

― scott seward, Monday, 7 May 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

no way to tell how everyone picked it up. probably from television.

Or maybe because "noun + y = adjective" has been a common English word formation strategy for like a thousand years?

Rainy, muddy, hairy, glassy, woody, leafy, papery, stringy, bony, meaty, watery, salty, windy, Stormy...

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:43 (seven years ago)

You know that's what not what I meant – I meant useless nothings like "It's the band's vibe-y record."

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

but the way people do it now is different.

xpost

yeah what that guy said.

― scott seward, Monday, 7 May 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

people do it with every word now.

― scott seward, Monday, 7 May 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

pedantic-y

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

the way people do it now is the same, and fine

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:51 (seven years ago)

Okay, I just don't get why twelfth-century Anglo Saxons can coin words but 20th century Americans can't.

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

oh yeah – cooking shows and reviews are awful about it. "This has got a cinnamon-y, licorice-y, kind of bitter-y taste to it."

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

Okay, I just don't get why twelfth-century Anglo Saxons can coin words but 20th century Americans can't.

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin

Often these new words are embedded in flat, poorly conceived sentences.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:55 (seven years ago)

“It’s a jazzy vibe” oh no

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

"jazzy vibe" is awful because often the critic means "Oh, it's got horns" or "Oh, it's long."

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

Actually it means they’re reviewing bobby hutcherson

― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:00 (seven years ago)

"Okay, I just don't get why twelfth-century Anglo Saxons can coin words but 20th century Americans can't."

they can and do and it can also annoy. hence this thread.

― scott seward, Monday, 7 May 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

u mean its annoyy

― .b derf (darraghmac), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:08 (seven years ago)

"Yo Aethelfred, hwaet's up with this weather? Woden's nutsack, it hath been raining a lot lately."

"Thou spake sooth and art on the money, Lothar. It hath been 'rainy,' by my trow."

"Let me estop you there, homeflice! What is uppe with everymanne just wantonly putting a Y on the end of nouns and yclepting it an adjective? What the fucke?"

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

the thing is it is less "inventing new words" and more "being lazy"

ditto for everyone thinking lame puns are funny because we know they are lame and thus it's a hilarious meta joke and not just, you know, being lazy

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

"lazy" is a fake idea

― valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

laze-y

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

actually that's a good example of how things have changed. back in the day it used to be La-Z

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

incredible post ymp

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 7 May 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

haha yes!

― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Monday, 7 May 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

Woden's nutsack

― valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 7 May 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

whan that aprille with his shoures soote

― F# A# (∞), Monday, 7 May 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

punching up / punching down

get a new excuse for why it's ok for u to punch but not for someone else

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:38 AM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like i've seen this phrase like 200 times this week

― marcos, Monday, 7 May 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

vibes are vibes, vibey is vibey, there are no modifiers

― brimstead, Monday, 7 May 2018 18:45 (seven years ago)

literally never heard vibes used without a modifier

― I am George III, I went a little cray (rip van wanko), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

https://img.discogs.com/nsa8ORSn-bsk_VBclfsFken4mHs=/fit-in/500x493/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-6741737-1425687237-7316.jpeg.jpg

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:55 (seven years ago)

He played the vibraphone that does NOT count sir

― I am George III, I went a little cray (rip van wanko), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

literally never heard vibes used without a modifier

― I am George III, I went a little cray (rip van wanko), Monday, May 7, 2018 11:52 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we care

― brimstead, Monday, 7 May 2018 19:17 (seven years ago)

I'm not emotionally invested in this debate either tbh just passing the time

― I am George III, I went a little cray (rip van wanko), Monday, 7 May 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

sorry that was mean

and very un-vibey

― brimstead, Monday, 7 May 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

punching up / punching down

get a new excuse for why it's ok for u to punch but not for someone else

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:38 AM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like i've seen this phrase like 200 times this week

― marcos, Monday, May 7, 2018 2:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's been a while since i've been subjected to this but reminds me of "good / bad faith"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 05:46 (seven years ago)

"good faith / bad faith" much worse obv

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 05:46 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TSRVgI15OQ
YMP post is all-time

― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:05 (seven years ago)

BEST phrase/words i read this morning. spent my morning reading shaw letters. this at the end of a 1908 letter to h.g. wells:

"Now I swear that the next time you take that attitude in my presence I will ask you for a farthing paper of pins. I will make a decent public man of you yet, and an effective public speaker, if I have to break your heart in the process."

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 14:20 (seven years ago)

is that an actual expression or did he make that farthing paper of pins thing up?

the whole letter is great and very emo. there is even a great all caps moment. message board pioneer.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

Oh shit ymp, im so glad i wandered to this thread.

― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

There's something really depressing about liberals trying to turn the word "snowflake" back on conservatives, like bullied kids sniffling "no, YOU'RE a loser!"

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:39 (seven years ago)

"fur babies"

― Yerac, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)

xpost OTM. ban all attempted-cutting-humor usages by simpleminded tribalistic democrat tweeters responding to conservative bots and trolls imho.

― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

I am trying to figure out the farthing paper of pins.

― Yerac, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

wastin' away again in ilxorville
figuring out a farthing paper of pins

― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

kinda stumped me too. i mean i know what that is, but the way he uses it...

oh wait maybe he means he will use the pins to deflate h.g.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Z7MAgLV14

― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

farthing paper of pins would have been an excellent late-60s psych single title.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

i'm going to start using it.

"Wow, you are really full of yourself. Do you have a farthing paper of pins I can use?"

that'll show 'em.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)

(xp) It's like a Bee Gees b-side from 1968.

― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:52 (seven years ago)

Hmmm..what were they talking about before the farthing moment? I found a children's song but that does seem to work for this.

― Yerac, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

you mean in the letter? GBS was pissed at HGW because HGW was acting like a dick at a fabian society meeting.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

Ha, I guess asking for the paper of pins so he can prick him every time he says something stupid?

― Yerac, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:11 (seven years ago)

re: farthing paper of pins

In the context of 1908 society, asking Wells for a farthing paper of pins would be treating him as a social inferior, on a level with a shop girl or a street peddler. Such underlings had no education, no manners and no standing, and were expected to efface themselves or even abase themselves in the presence of their social superiors such as a Shaw. Such social distinctions were universally understood and strictly observed.

In short, it would be a very british sort of insult carrying a very pointed social sting.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:16 (seven years ago)

ah, okay. then i was wrong.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

Not very Socialist of GBS.

― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

Ok, early 20th century burn.

― Yerac, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:23 (seven years ago)

Not very Socialist of GBS.

The Fabians were exclusively highbrow, as distinct from the lowbrows of the Labor party.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

There's something really depressing about liberals trying to turn the word "snowflake" back on conservatives, like bullied kids sniffling "no, YOU'RE a loser!"

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 03:39 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

using their own words to show them what hypocritical fuckbarrels they are is vital imo

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)

A "paper of pins" is how you used to buy sewing pins, as a strip of paper or card with a row of pins pushed into it. A farthing paper of pins would be a quarter of a penny's worth of pins; a farthing was the lowest value coin in circulation so probably not very many pins.

Why is Shaw going on about pins? According to Wikipedia, in his teens "Wells had an unhappy apprenticeship as a draper", and in the letter Shaw appears to be berating Wells for addressing the room more like a grovelling junior shop assistant than a man of letters:

You insisted on having a table; leaning over it on your knuckles;
and addressing the contents of your contracted chest to the
tablecloth ... Where did you get that attitude? In the shop. IN
THE SHOP. ... When your knuckles touched the cloth, you said
unconsciously, by reflex action, "Anything else today, madam," and
later on, "What's the next article?" Fortunately you were inaudible
thanks to the attitude. Now I swear that the next time you take
that attitude in my presence I will ask you for a farthing paper of
pins.

Shaw continues, "thank heaven, I am an ORATOR, not a mulish draper's assistant" . . .

-- https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Working+the+room%3A+the+cases+of+Mary+H.+Kingsley+and+H.G.+Wells-a0188967296

Poor old Wells! After reading this I might forgive almost his remarks about women's intellect and imagination in his book about the war game he devised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Wars

(Sorry if context has ruined this charmingly out-of-context remark)

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

no, that's cool! i read it quickly and just jotted down that last part. that all caps IN THE SHOP kills me.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

it's an amusingly savage letter! I think that page says the letter was written two years after the speech too (ouch).

In theory I like GBS but I'm glad he won't be writing me any letters.

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:07 (seven years ago)

Was it like the "Now go home and get your fucking shine box?" bit in goodfellas?

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:25 (seven years ago)

Specificity

This word sucks and is a tongue Twister

― Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

Somebody has instructed the cashiers at the supermarket that when they're ready for the next customer to step up, they shouldn't say "Next" -- they should say "Following!"

― mick signals, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

Wow that’s tedious as shit

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:52 (seven years ago)

"Can I help who's next?" makes me want to say something cheeky like "Nah, it did okay, it was number one on the UK charts and top five in America, with a bunch of really memorable singles. Still I prefer 'Sell Out' or 'Magic Bus'."

Separate topic: "___ is my jam" vs. "____ is in my wheelhouse."

― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:55 (seven years ago)

Hah. "Can I help who's next?" is up there with "Your call will be answered in the order it was received" for giving a painful little jab to one's already-sore syntax neuron.

When "wheelhouse" started getting popular in my workplace several years ago I dickishly interjected in at least two different meetings, "sorry, hold on -- what do you mean? I guess I'm not sure what a wheelhouse is."

― mick signals, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:08 (seven years ago)

the bins for the recycling here are labelled 'recycled waste' and not 'recycleable waste'

― koogs, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:09 (seven years ago)

lol yeah this salad place i go to has three bins: recycle, waste, and "mixed waste." wtf? composting in the salad spot??

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:29 (seven years ago)

I hate guilt-inducing ones like LANDFILL.

BTW in my jurisdiction we do waste-to-energy so almost none of our non-recycled trash goes in a landfill anyways.

― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

In Seattle, separating into recycling, compost, and landfill is mandatory everywhere. This means quick service and fast casual restaurants all have three bins and extensive but occasionally ambiguous lists telling you what to put where. You can still probably find any given service item in any of the three bins, because people are helpless and indecisive.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

people here have no idea what goes where though (and it can be complicated*). the council bags have added a thing where they say 'if in doubt leave it out' to (try and) stop people contaminating recycling with normal waste.

the last place i worked had black bins and green bins and the cleaner would just tip the contents of both into the same sack. (i'd take all my recycling home, do it properly)

(* that plastic bottle, is that recycleable? it says PET(1) on the bottom. but what about the plastic film it's wrapped in? and the cap? and the little perforated ring that was attached to the cap to make it tamper-proof?)

― koogs, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)

ime it's a mess everywhere- plastic in the waste bin, food in the recycle bin, etc. no one knows what to do

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:55 (seven years ago)

If one tries to figure it all out, one can get lost in details. What about cardboard boxes with a plastic window (like pasta boxes)? Some jurisdictions accept pizza box lids, but not the bottom part that the pizza touched. Should we rinse out jars that are going to get melted anyway? I know a recycling expert who told me that lids over three inches in diameter are recyclable but not smaller ones.

― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:00 (seven years ago)

Yeah small lids have to go in the trash here lol

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)

Also the bottom has fallen out of the raw recyclables market apparently so who knows where it’s all going.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:39 (seven years ago)

the great pacific recycling gyre i assume.

― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

There are a lot of restaurants here in Austin, TX that do multiple trash cans like this. It's a well meaning idea that ends up as a mess because people either don't know or don't care about how they are supposed to separate out. I also find it confusing because, at least at home, we are supposed to rinse out recyclables of any food bits before putting them in the bin, and there's no way that's happening at these restaurants.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

Moodles I suspect it's like those self-serve parking garages that say "take your ticket with you! pay at kiosk!" But the exit gates still take credit cards.

No batch of recyclable material will be perfect, but its quality will be increase by the extent to which people follow "the rules."

― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

I thought the rinsing thing was mainly for sanitary reasons, to avoid vermin being attracted to sacks of recycling being left around at residential addresses for a week.

― Alba, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

I'm under the impression that it makes it harder to process items if they aren't cleaned out.

YMP, I agree, but in my experience, there's little guidance for patrons to follow, and many just don't care, so it ends up being messy and random.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

"bridesmaids"

― right brain ringworm (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 May 2018 08:35 (seven years ago)

"a memoir"

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:25 (seven years ago)

[husband/wife] *to* [spouse]

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:27 (seven years ago)

I have a cringe allergy to "husband/wife" and generally use partner, spouse. It's funny that you are the opposite.

I posted this elsewhere but "buddy" always sounds molestery to me. Why do people call children this?!?

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

usually if you say partner, there's a sense that it's a gender-sensitive word, so your partner may be not strictly male/female

i hear gay people say it more than straight people

spouse just sounds too unnecessarily formal especially if you don't use it in formal situations

buddy is like saying pal, partner, friend, little guy, but in a kinder way, unless you're being sarcastic

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

Because it's gender-neutral?

I go to speech therapists who seem to call every kid "buddy." They don't need to remember it's ten o'clock so this is Sam and Sam is a he.

― imagine flagons (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:58 (seven years ago)

We were watching two series back to back where everyone was calling each other buddy (and it wasn't even Arrest Development). It sound so creepy to me.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:00 (seven years ago)

christ, I cannot type today.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

I like the word partner, it seems more egalitarian.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:02 (seven years ago)

One thing I have noticed with people who marry: the name of their partner suddenly disappears, exchanged for ‘my wife’ or ‘my husband’ in regular conversations with people who are accustomed to hearing the spouse’s name. It can sound kind of prissy and rank-pulling, sometimes.

― suzy, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:13 (seven years ago)

Ok everyone stop saying “timeline”

― omar little, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:31 (seven years ago)

i don't mind husband or wife or ppl saying 'my husband/wife' or saying 'i am _______'s husband' or even describing one's self as 'husband of [wife's name]'

there's something about 'i am husband TO ________' that seems stilted and milady-ish and makes me think that their wedding vows included one about the wife submitting to the husband's will

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:32 (seven years ago)

Oh that's what you meant. I thought you meant you hated spouse and preferred husband/wife. Yeah, usually I just introduce my boner holder by name.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

I do really hate those twitter profiles that list "wife, mother of Jayden, patriot, pikachu" blah blah as their descriptors. I assume they are all bots.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

“husband, father, entrepreneur, thought leader”

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

you forgot boner holder

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

When I went through Heathrow in Feb. I put N/A under employment on the landing card. Immigration was like "are you a housewife" I said No. They tried to put "homemaker" and I said I don't do that either. I said I JUST HANG OUT, OK. I kind of felt bad that I gave her a hard time when she was just trying to do her job.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

this whole thread...where are you, yerac? where i am, if someone hardlines "spouse" it's like emphatically non-gendery, and "partner" it's pretty same-gendery, and "buddy" is canine-y, a kiddo, or a fight about to happen. but also i am an old.

― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

I am American, but currently living in South America and watching a lot of netflix. But also after a certain threshold of time with someone, girlfriend/boyfriend becomes too blech. Partner is more adequate to describe a serious relationship with no religious overtones.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

I should just introduce him as "this is my husband...for the time being."

― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:52 (seven years ago)

the name of their partner suddenly disappears, exchanged for ‘my wife’ or ‘my husband’ in regular conversations with people who are accustomed to hearing the spouse’s name

this seems really weird to me. I only refer to my wife as "my wife" if I'm talking to someone who doesn't know/has never met her. otherwise I refer to her by her name cuz duh

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

'i'm a full-time dreamer'

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

ah, of course, i totally get that use too, thanks. derp. xp

― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

i'm a millennial, i do post-work

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

you forgot boner holder

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 4:40 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

boner holder, boulder honer

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)

"the mrs" was a suitable reference for the mrs long before she was the mrs

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:57 (seven years ago)

figured you for an "old ball and chain" type

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:00 (seven years ago)

'Man' is a common one where I come from, for a husband. No-one would ever say 'woman' though, unless you're Ted Nugent.

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:04 (seven years ago)

... old fashioned though, my mother might say it but my sister wouldn't.

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:05 (seven years ago)

xos and is the inference that this has been confirmed or not

because there is a clear negative connotation to one and if you project one that isnt there onto the other you should probably interrogate that yourself

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:05 (seven years ago)

The little woman.

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:07 (seven years ago)

e.r. indoors

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

My good lady wife.

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:09 (seven years ago)

the bread knife

― chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:11 (seven years ago)

Trouble 'n' strife.

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:12 (seven years ago)

She who must be obeyed

― chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:18 (seven years ago)

w1fe

― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:18 (seven years ago)

https://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/images/csphoto/1107/00/00/17/94/61/1441836_TN_shadow.png

― mick signals, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:18 (seven years ago)

Dmac otm as usu

In romance languages wife is literally woman. Husband/wife can also translate to “handcuff”

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:57 (seven years ago)

My main reason for using 'partner' is to avoid 'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend', which sound too...trivial?

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 00:29 (seven years ago)

Earlier i recognized that my admission of old does fold into a kind of formal legacy sitch on those terms- to me ‘spouse’ seems more gendered than ‘partner’ because partner reflected non legal or non recognized relationships. Im sure y’all smarts got that, but it reached me.

― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:48 (seven years ago)

Ok everyone stop saying “timeline”

otm. this went from fun to tedious in nothing flat

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:06 (seven years ago)

thats a pretty short.....sequence

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 07:57 (seven years ago)

Marks & Sparks.

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 08:24 (seven years ago)

"Have you swiped your Sparks card?"

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 08:39 (seven years ago)

lol I like Marks and Sparks but I also think that the whole English people making of cutsey nicknames for literally everything thing is pretty cute.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:10 (seven years ago)

I hear partner a little more often these days here in the US but I remember people using it all the time when I lived in England. I thought like 3/4 of the ppl I worked with were gay for the first couple weeks.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

Do people still say Marks and Sparks? It strikes me as very 80s.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)

I started saying partner all the time because I work in academia where there are lots of couples, 90% of whom have different last names, and I generally have no idea how many of them are actually married or just live together and/or have children.

― joygoat, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:57 (seven years ago)

many xxxps but completely agree on overuse of "timeline" as in "this is the worst timeline." seems to have replaced (the much worse imo) "time is a flat circle"

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

the worst dumpster fire timeline, amazeballs

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

this timeline is a hot mess!!!

― omar little, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

that's like 5 awful phrases and cliches combined, excellent work

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)

I've never heard the "flat circle" one. I've seen "dark timeline" or some variation multiple times a week lately.

― how's life, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

Really getting tired of "this is a bad thread"

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

time is a bad thread

― mick signals, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:10 (seven years ago)

that is good actually ^

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:22 (seven years ago)

string theory discredited actually

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:30 (seven years ago)

The Worst Dumpster Fire Timeline, Amazeballs: A Memoir

― billstevejim, Thursday, 24 May 2018 03:53 (seven years ago)

Read the book that Neil deGrasse Tyson calls “bazinga-lickin good!”

― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 24 May 2018 04:23 (seven years ago)

“is it just me, or...”

― dogs, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:16 (six years ago)

"I'm old enough to remember British Rail..."

― We can be herpes (Tom D.), Monday, 4 June 2018 22:59 (six years ago)

Limoncello

― how's life, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:38 (six years ago)

Also, Lemon Jelly

― how's life, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:42 (six years ago)

"I'M SCREAMING"

― Eliza D., Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:45 (six years ago)

(Although I've seen enough "YouTube reaction videos" to suggest that some of these people actually do engage in some very performative screaming.)

― Eliza D., Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:45 (six years ago)

whenever (clap) people (clap) use (clap) claps (clap) like (clap) im (clap) 6 (clap) years (clap) old (clap) and (clap) my (clap) mother (clap) is (clap) scolding (clap) me (clap) for (clap) ruining (clap) my (clap) appetite (clap) just (clap) before (clap) dinner

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:51 (six years ago)

But how else will people know it's a clapback?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:06 (six years ago)

“Disgusting savages”

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:51 (six years ago)

“Wait until you hear this”

― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:57 (six years ago)

so theres obv a whole board to be had on the american service industry

but "absolutely" and "of course" will be ringing around my head in all of the wrong tones for months to come after this trip

doesnt help that 3 in 4 of requests met with these responses (often uttered before I'd actually finished) were ignored or ballsed up.

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

we gauche we know it

― Anglo Scarfy (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:00 (six years ago)

its pronounced gauche fyi

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

https://i.redditmedia.com/oq2iMliIh52u-ZMavr97CIeU4MU_gDPBOnLiMSlAsRY.jpg?s=e2f856ee48c9688f4f95dbb5f9d4434d

― pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

wow

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:12 (six years ago)

we gauche we know it

― Anglo Scarfy (rip van wanko), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:00 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its pronounced gauche fyi

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:01 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

damn, this is some cold shit. truth tho.

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:21 (six years ago)

thats a local garda rip from waaay back tbh i use it at every op

whats "byoodiful" mean apparently i say this now

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

what do you say, "boatyful?"

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:53 (six years ago)

no i mean i have been noted, in iirc yr very presence, as saying the above

― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:54 (six years ago)

"end of"

end of

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:08 (six years ago)

I'm not sure where this belongs, but I'll just put it here.

Anyway, at work I was discussing a newly hired person in management with another member of management. He relayed to me a scenario where he was working a shift with this new hire (female) and he was coming to the end of his shift but had not completed his assigned task, because of other things more pressing that only management could handle that come up around the store throughout his shift. He was close, but alas, the task was incomplete. He checked in with the new hire prior to clocking out and told her of the status, to which she responded, "You will not clock out. You will finish the task and then you may clock out for the day" (keep in mind: they are of equal authority). He told me that this was very much a turn on to him that a female would take charge and boss him around on only the second or third day on the job. I thought to myself: that is not only a total dick move (what if the person she was demanding to work overtime had obligations outside of work that would not allow for the longer shift?), it's pretty fucking weird for him to be all into it like that. Like, that's fine if you find her attractive, but don't be weird about it. As a member of management myself, the whole situation just seemed like a cluster unprincipled behavior.

― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:13 (six years ago)

pomenitul's list of Amricanisms was surprisingly accurate

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

well, not the 'youthful Americans' piece of it, but that changes hourly

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

"OK" can only be summed up as "bad" in a certain context though. In the general case, "OK" as a reply means "I'm still listening, or at the very least I'm aware you just said something I'm meant to understand"

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

"OK" is the best word.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

"OK" is a tool of all work and its multifarious uses can never be accurately summed.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/environmental-health/food-safety/inspection-system/~/media/depts/health/environmental-health/images/food-safety/food-safety-ratings-emoji.ashx

"okay"

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

Okay means "your steaks have a lot of fly feces, but not so many as to be worrisome"

― emotional support vegetable (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:03 (six years ago)

"hold my beer"

but like many such phrases, there's nothing inherently terrible about it and I vaguely remember it being amusing once or twice, it's just that these things become insta-jokes for unfunny people, like the kinds of "inside jokes" that would take shape during summer camp

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 9 June 2018 01:58 (six years ago)

they're all just like the 50th time someone yells "MOOSEJAW!" in the mess hall, except it's not the 50th time it's the 5000th time because of twitter

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 9 June 2018 01:59 (six years ago)

otm

― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 9 June 2018 04:11 (six years ago)

stay away from the trump thread

― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 June 2018 04:17 (six years ago)

Just saw a CNN headline that used the word "lit"

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 9 June 2018 04:19 (six years ago)

Oh here it is:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/melania-trump-rudy-giuliani/index.html

I guess the response is "sharp" or something along those lines, but if it's the headline writer's idea of "lit" then the headline writer needs to get out more.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 9 June 2018 04:20 (six years ago)

People who say or write 'cliche' when they mean 'cliched'–it's becoming very common and it really annoys me.
― estela (estela), Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:52 PM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In theory I am completely down with changes in usage, but this one still makes me grit my teeth every time I read it for some reason.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 20:12 (six years ago)

That's similar to how I feel about the use of "genius" to mean "ingenious" or as an adjective in any way. Generally I lean toward descriptivism, but not when it makes language uglier and more grating.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

xp I'm not even sure I knew that this was a thing. I think the é kinda made me believe it was as good as an -ed? Like how you put that on when constructing many verbs in passé composé.

― challops trap house (Will M.), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 20:26 (six years ago)

Adults using words like “tummy” make me want to revoke their larynx privileges

― Slippage (Ross), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:01 (six years ago)

Will, I am with you. Cliché is already an adjective; the noun is the later form

― too gashly (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:11 (six years ago)

I mean förm

― too gashly (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:12 (six years ago)

I wrote about something related that's gotten tiresome.

https://www.splicetoday.com/pop-culture/say-what-you-re-saying

― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:37 (six years ago)

― kinder, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:40 (six years ago)

jk; otm

― kinder, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:41 (six years ago)

lol

― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 23:28 (six years ago)

One nice fact about "cliché" is that it refers to common usages which manual typesetters used to leave assembled, to speed the task of typesetting. So if a phrase was commonly used it was left set up as a cliché.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 14 June 2018 00:33 (six years ago)

"Have a good one" = I do not care enough about you to actively recollect what time of day it is, bye

― mick signals, Friday, 15 June 2018 00:07 (six years ago)

i've been saying that recently and i don't know why. it's usually in the context of temporary interactions with other dog owners on the sidewalk. she's friendly, what's your dog's name, oh that's a lovely name, how old is she, ok now have a good one

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 00:09 (six years ago)

lol same ^^ i never remember the names of the dogs either. when i see them again it's like the first time all over again. over and over.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:31 (six years ago)

“We’ll be in touch” - when spoken by one person to another about themselves. It just sounds so committee like

― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:32 (six years ago)

Why are LCD/LED TVs called "flat-screens" still? Remember when tube tv's with flat screens came out? Those are "flat-screens". New TVs should be called LED or panel TVs or something. I'm not highly invested in this tbr but it kinda bugs.

― i am updating my User Agreement and Privacy Policy (rip van wanko), Saturday, 16 June 2018 14:00 (six years ago)

In the field of journalism, 'flat-screen TV' is still often used, nonsensically, as a signifier of luxury or extravagance, and features in Robert Hutton's glossary of journalese, Romps, Tots and Boffins.

I got it whipped out of some copy earlier last month.

― Alba, Saturday, 16 June 2018 14:54 (six years ago)

here too, and it’s phenomenally stupid because the only way to get a bulge-screen tv is by rummaging through landfill

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 16 June 2018 15:03 (six years ago)

Whoo boy this one's been simmering under the surface for years, and it feels good to get it out -- I cannot stand the phrase "fuck cancer" or any other instance where people anthropomorphize natural processes or inanimate objects to hurl invective or hear praise as if the object had free will, it just seems woefully immature and... lame. I know in the case of cancer, it's a dreadful thing (killed my dad fwiw) so what's the harm in telling cancer to fuck itself, and yet the phrase and the impulse behind it had always repulsed me

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 16 June 2018 18:50 (six years ago)

hear=heap

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 16 June 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

I hear you.

― We can be herpes (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 June 2018 18:53 (six years ago)

it just sounds glib I guess

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:06 (six years ago)

I don’t think “fuck cancer” is anthropomorphic any more than “fuck this weather”, it’s expressing simple disgust with the whole notion. “Fuck you, cancer, you took X from me,” is personification. Also, fuck cancer.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 16 June 2018 20:53 (six years ago)

fuck tsunamis

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 16 June 2018 21:00 (six years ago)

fuck mortality tbh

― cheeky Nandez (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 June 2018 21:05 (six years ago)

Stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWJEmMDQXoA

― We can be herpes (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 June 2018 21:23 (six years ago)

jesus wept

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 16 June 2018 21:51 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl6i5qgdr9A

had this one in Ireland recently. Didn't go down well

― Number None, Sunday, 17 June 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

yeah that was a fuckin shocker

― tired culché (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 June 2018 17:42 (six years ago)

Guys I think we got cancer, from having to watch that

― rip van wanko, Sunday, 17 June 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

"It is what it is."

I find this is used as a "Get out of jail free" type term for people who are assholes and whose assholery has created a sour situation and that's their way of saying, "You get to deal with my bad disposition."

― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Monday, 18 June 2018 15:59 (six years ago)

I've thought a lot about "it is what it is." I agree that it is often used in the context described above, and that it is overused in general, but I do think the phrase has value and use and is certainly better than "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

― flappy bird, Monday, 18 June 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

Do what serves you

^ that one makes me want to scorpion bile all over people

― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 18:34 (six years ago)

Ime it’s used by selfish assholes

― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 18:34 (six years ago)

My ex-wife would get sloshy, rip-roaring drunk and then create a conflict; which almost always involved baseless, indisputably false accusations of me fancying another woman. She would garble through her "evidence" with increasing volume and belligerence, only to declare, "IT IS WHAT IT IS!" at the end of her ridiculous tirade, as if to really clobber me with her perceived revelation.

― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Monday, 18 June 2018 18:57 (six years ago)

Both Kane and manager Gareth Southgate were asked by an overseas reporter about the significance of playing England’s first World Cup game at such an important historical site as Volgograd, where the battle of Stalingrad was fought.
Kane said: “It’s great to play football in such a place. We travel the world a lot as footballers. You obviously want to go and see the history, the things we don’t always get to do. But we have to play football. History is what it is."

― Number None, Monday, 18 June 2018 21:05 (six years ago)

“Friendly reminder”

― valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 18 June 2018 22:44 (six years ago)

using "pissed" to mean angry, instead of "pissed off"! pissed, used as an adjective unaccompanied by a preposition, means drunk. this is non-negotiable.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 00:19 (six years ago)

i like the use of "it is what it is" in the kacey musgraves song "it is what it is"

― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 00:25 (six years ago)

“offering up” instead of “offering”

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 02:37 (six years ago)

adding "up" to most verbs tbh ("I need to change up my car").

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 02:45 (six years ago)

Was thinking about the 'up' as an Americanism - as in 'slow up'. But the 'down' in 'slow down' is superfluous too!

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 03:21 (six years ago)

"slow up"? is that regional?

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 04:16 (six years ago)

"slow up" is pretty rare ime, but not unheard of. as a kid, the accepted way to ask some other kids to let you catch up who were outdistancing you was to yell "HEY! WAIT UP!"

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 04:34 (six years ago)

oh yea wait up for sure

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 04:44 (six years ago)

brad otm

― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 06:16 (six years ago)

I think 'slow up' is an occasional southern US thing? I don't know - I've heard it a few times. https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/slow-down-v-slow-up.940985/

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 06:49 (six years ago)

offering up has a specific connotation ime

― tired culché (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 07:18 (six years ago)

Yeah, more like surrendering something, maybe?

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 08:00 (six years ago)

its a sacrifice to a higher cause, yeah

specifically a hurt or suffering (afaict whether or not twas asked for or not, you can offer it up the way youd swap a gift for store credit iirc)

― tired culché (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 08:10 (six years ago)

Though I suppose I've heard it in the sense of 'The restaurant offers up a wide variety of dishes etc.', which seems to have less of the sacrificial element.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 08:12 (six years ago)

well it adds a frisson until the food arrives at the very least non

― tired culché (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 08:21 (six years ago)

offering up has a specific connotation ime

i keep seeing it in the context of companies “offering up” products and services

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 09:14 (six years ago)

awesome sauce

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

stop it now

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

thought that one finally died. just let me believe that, okay?

― rip van wanko, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:42 (six years ago)

OK.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:44 (six years ago)

it didn't go away, it just morphed into Shut The Front Door! Shut. The Front. Door!

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:46 (six years ago)

first time I heard STFD I thought it was hilarious, and I still kinda do! guess I haven't been bludgeoned to death with it yet

― rip van wanko, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

Are ppl saying that now? I mean I've heard it but rarely. It feels very old fahioned to me.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

tbh i don't know what people say these days, i spend most of my life in the same 25 ft radius

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

first time I heard it was just, idk, 6-7 years ago. is it old?

― rip van wanko, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:11 (six years ago)

sick of heartbrokenness

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:39 (six years ago)

^ terrible

― mind how you go (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:50 (six years ago)

add heartsick, brokenhearted

anything having to do with the state of one's own heart that is not literally about heart disease

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:52 (six years ago)

I always liked the Germanic flavor of "heartsick" it's so radiantly non-Latinate! The Old English heortseoc actually meant literal heart disease but we ruined it

― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:21 (six years ago)

"Shut the front door" sounds like something mormon teenagers would say.

― Dan I., Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:22 (six years ago)

Ha! I think I'm right about that one!

― Dan I., Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:23 (six years ago)

if you hear someone say awesomesauce it's only a matter of time before they say amazeballs. it's endearing at sufficient remove

― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:24 (six years ago)

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1404632

It's Napoleon Dynamite isn't it, along with "flippin'" etc., it's all Napoleon Dynamite

xpost

― Dan I., Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:25 (six years ago)

"Shut the front door" sounds like something mormon teenagers would say.

― Dan I., Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:22 PM

lol

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:25 (six years ago)

if you hear someone say awesomesauce it's only a matter of time before they say amazeballs

i literally forgot those two were separate things

― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:25 (six years ago)

decine of western civ: awesomesauce is in the OED

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:54 (six years ago)

I have experienced heartsickness/heartbrokenness, as the word is used in the emotional sense, not in a medical sense. It was during the time when our desperate struggle to take care of our daughter was reaching its nadir and the only apparent remedy that might bring anything resembling peace would be death, either mine or hers.

fwiw, it felt like a peculiar sensation more or less where the heart is located, somewhat behind the sternum, not quite an ache, but more a sense of painful loss and emptiness that rarely went away except in sleep. My physical heart muscle did not seem to be connected to it, other than sharing a similar space. Some weeks after I began to notice it, occurred to me that I was "heartbroken", a word that made perfect sense to me at the time. It still does.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:55 (six years ago)

Oh. That is very moving, A.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

but LL is probably correct to say it is overused hyperbole in almost all cases

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 23:26 (six years ago)

famous example: "the heartbreak of psoriasis". hell, I have psoriasis and heartbreak isn't even in the same country.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 23:30 (six years ago)

exactly -- i'm not saying it's not real, just saying it's an overused and cheap cliche

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

I wrote a couple sonnets recently and it turns out all metaphors and most three-word phrases are cliches. :(

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 23:57 (six years ago)

I can't really imagine that kind of pain, Aimless, I hope you never experience it again.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 21 June 2018 02:13 (six years ago)

‘Shut the front door’ is associated with ‘Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives’ because Guy Fieri says it more often than ‘flavortown’.

― suzy, Thursday, 21 June 2018 07:28 (six years ago)

I picture Elaine saying it on Seinfeld. I’m glad I don't watch any Guy Fieri shows.

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 21 June 2018 12:13 (six years ago)

^ Yes! I'm certain that Elaine said it at least a couple times. I have no idea if it's old or not it just sounds like it is somehow.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 21 June 2018 14:31 (six years ago)

We're probably getting into overly-prescriptive, distinctly 'my problem' territory here, but I keep hearing people at work say 'squash' when they mean 'quash' and it's driving me nuts.

― Rep. Bob Excellentfrappuccino (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 June 2018 13:17 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20hgQa-mkVQ

― womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Friday, 22 June 2018 13:27 (six years ago)

That undercuts the impact my much-beloved retort, 'no, YOU'RE the door!'

― Rep. Bob Excellentfrappuccino (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 June 2018 13:32 (six years ago)

Flippin' eck, Tucker.

― Tim, Friday, 22 June 2018 15:06 (six years ago)

"hydrate" is not a better way to say "drink water."

― mick signals, Monday, 25 June 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

Nobody actually says "quash." Everyone says "squash" instead.

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 25 June 2018 15:21 (six years ago)

It's the new 'expresso'.

― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 June 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

I don't think I've ever heard that usage of "squash" irl.

― mick signals, Monday, 25 June 2018 15:27 (six years ago)

I'm going to up the ante and start using 'squish' in the hopes that someone will tell me that, um, actually, it's 'squash'.

― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 June 2018 15:29 (six years ago)

"up the ante" reminds me about "up your game."

Up Your Avocado Game With These 11 Tricks.

― mick signals, Monday, 25 June 2018 15:56 (six years ago)

um actually its quish

quash, btw, quote commonly used and i dont think ive ever seen squash used instead in the manner offered itt

― under a mand'rin tsar (darraghmac), Monday, 25 June 2018 16:00 (six years ago)

Come to the States, we love to say things worng.

― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 June 2018 16:06 (six years ago)

ive been and I heard

― under a mand'rin tsar (darraghmac), Monday, 25 June 2018 16:09 (six years ago)

did anyone say "you do you" yet?

― billstevejim, Monday, 25 June 2018 21:16 (six years ago)

Yeah definitely I think it was me

― mind how you go (Ross), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 02:19 (six years ago)

"you do you" is only acceptable when it's used as a euphemism for "go fuck yourself"

― the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:19 (six years ago)

It's neutral enough on the face of it that it might've been a more innocuous phrase had it originated in another time, but in our current era it seems to have an inherently passive aggressive vibe.

― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:33 (six years ago)

"you do you" is definitely the northeast/mid-atlantic "bless your heart"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:07 (six years ago)

What does it mean?

― womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:16 (six years ago)

"I do not agree with or quite understand what you are doing, but it doesn't really harm me so whatevs."

― ~ cows come home (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

"Go fuck yourself"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

just putting “go” before any verb is so fucking irritating

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 20:43 (six years ago)

Go figure.

― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 20:47 (six years ago)

https://i.redditmedia.com/dCBfAlCwc6wQxlTLRutBJ1RCUodQANBcur8xOId5WKs.png?w=640&s=3920cb76f6c8bd04c400758ad9a96a04

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 04:04 (six years ago)

go go.

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 09:31 (six years ago)

cranking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzetG-rucGs

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 09:32 (six years ago)

really bored of 'Cockwomble'

― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 09:36 (six years ago)

"my guy" and "my dude" which are everywhere on the internet right now. like "you're using the wrong browser, my dude". ugh.

― circa1916, Friday, 6 July 2018 12:37 (six years ago)

still better than 'fam' but yeah

― mookieproof, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:25 (six years ago)

wayyy worse than fam what are you on bruv

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 July 2018 23:31 (six years ago)

Yeah mookie, that's a hard disagree.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 6 July 2018 23:32 (six years ago)

i'm not your dude, pilgrim

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:37 (six years ago)

“Fam” is aave whereas “my dude” has gotta be white person talk so I’m way more comfortable with white ppl saying “my dude”

― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:18 (six years ago)

Omg “hard” or “soft” anything for me. Too much!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:58 (six years ago)

What everyone really needs to accept is that it’s horribly grating to hear anyone say anything that anyone else has ever said before

― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:18 (six years ago)

Can u just stop

🛑 ✋

― F# A# (∞), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:27 (six years ago)

"virtue signalling" and "whataboutism"

― Simon H., Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:28 (six years ago)

What everyone really needs to accept is that it’s horribly grating to hear anyone say anything that anyone else has ever said before

― devops mom (silby), Friday, July 6, 2018 6:18 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:34 (six years ago)

slang usage is embarrassing when employed recklessly

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 7 July 2018 06:47 (six years ago)

"fam" grates on me a bit. The bf's podcast facebook group call each other "fam bam" all the time which is arrrrgh

i also dislike virtue signalling as a phrase because it is used pejoratively by MRA cunts a lot.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 7 July 2018 07:36 (six years ago)

cat-covered-in-cheeto-dust.jpg

BIG MOOD

― circa1916, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:33 (six years ago)

'tache

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:44 (six years ago)

that "fam" shit is really nauseating, but I suppose slang reaches the saturation point of annoying as fuck very fast these days, and we are all bad.

― calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:55 (six years ago)

"fam" in my neighborhood is said almost every sentence, it's as common as "mate", it's just a filler word, scarcely noticeable

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:58 (six years ago)

I'd never heard it until recently. Is that commonly used in a French language or french speaking Anglais context?

― calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:01 (six years ago)

where im from its short for famine and a macroaggressive term

― repartee is deft (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:09 (six years ago)

too soon!

― calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:10 (six years ago)

well if they cut that shit out about the border we could start to heal, yknow?

― repartee is deft (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:12 (six years ago)

I haven't seen T May's latest imagining of a castle in the sky just yet, but I'd imagine the job's still fucked!

― calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:14 (six years ago)

hey calz i'm back in Stratford now :)

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:14 (six years ago)

lol!

― calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:16 (six years ago)

stratford is a kind of france from where i'm sitting

― mark s, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:43 (six years ago)

instead of LA MANCHE separating us it is LA MARSH

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:20 (six years ago)

If anything here sounds like a Frenchism it's "my dude"

― mick signals, Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:50 (six years ago)

easy there mon frere

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 7 July 2018 19:45 (six years ago)

I'm thinking of taking up 'mon brave'.

― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 July 2018 19:51 (six years ago)

a pre-emptive self-congratulatory "you're welcome" when someone does something unexpectedly helpful

― Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

yeah, i was gonna thank you, but not i feel like i'm just paying tribute to an asshole

― Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

"Let's link"

― flappy bird, Sunday, 15 July 2018 20:45 (six years ago)

do Americans say 'fam'? Sounds very British slang to me

― Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Monday, 16 July 2018 09:01 (six years ago)

I thought it was only disgruntled Arsenal fans who said it.

― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 09:22 (six years ago)

its the new bruv

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 11:13 (six years ago)

I can't fucking stand it!

― calzino, Monday, 16 July 2018 11:15 (six years ago)

let it go fam, just leave it

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 11:15 (six years ago)

yes i've heard "fam" (or "fams") in the US and it's just as annoying

― Lee626, Monday, 16 July 2018 11:15 (six years ago)

Jamaican origin maybe? Or West Indian.

― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 12:12 (six years ago)

definitely been around longer in the UK than the US anyway

― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 12:18 (six years ago)

i like "fam" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

except when my son calls me that

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 July 2018 12:19 (six years ago)

(xp) I wouldn't have thought the US picked it up from the UK, so I imagine it must have come from the Caribbean community. Unless Arsenal TV is really popular in the US.

― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 12:36 (six years ago)

I’m fine with ‘fam’ and have been for the past 10 years or so.

― suzy, Monday, 16 July 2018 12:52 (six years ago)

I automatically lose interest in anything subtitled "A People's History"

― Jules Rimet still leaving (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:05 (six years ago)

Hypebeast.

― neutral yogurt (doo dah), Saturday, 21 July 2018 19:27 (six years ago)

some people on the internet seem to think a 'stan' is a celebrity who is the object of a fan's obsession:

[url=https://twitter.com/search?vertical=default&q=%22my%20stan%20is%22]
[url=https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=%22love%20my%20stan%22]

I really applaud the way he stood up for @chloebennet and women in general. Proves he is maturing and tackling issues that need to be spoken and the objectification of women by @ksi is one of them. Proud to call him my stan ❤️ pic.twitter.com/cUpBL5okDy
— vic (@logansmeme) July 29, 2018

in another decade this will have become the dominant usage, and anyone who tries to correct it ("have you even heard that Eminem song from 30 years ago?") will be written off as a joyless prescriptivist windbag 😔

― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:44 (six years ago)

(uh sorry for Logan Paul's face)

― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:46 (six years ago)

let me reiterate: "Let's link"

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:54 (six years ago)

"(drink that is on the menu) as cold as your ex's heart"

― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 05:20 (six years ago)

Oh that's a thing is it? There's a shop/off licence near me that's had that on a board outside it for (it seems like) decades - I thought they'd thought it up for themselves!

― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 08:38 (six years ago)

some people on the internet seem to think a 'stan' is a celebrity who is the object of a fan's obsession:

Yeah, this has become an extremely common usage on pop twitter/reddit in the past couple years and every time I see someone use it I want to throw them in my trunk and drive off a bridge.

― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:36 (six years ago)

they would then be your eminem.

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:43 (six years ago)

I haven't searched the internet for it because I know it would dismay me but I'm certain there's a clever business from which you can obtain gently used clever one-liners to display cleverly each day outside your liquor store or bar.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:03 (six years ago)

^ ditto for the 'religious humor' posted on message boards outside churches

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

i feel

fuck your feelings!!

― sleepy sweet (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2X2fnRuss

― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:24 (six years ago)

I have some friends who aren’t voting for Ben Jealous because one of them sat opposite BJ and his much younger girlfriend on a train and had to put up with the pair making out across from him for almost the whole journey.

― suzy, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

seems fair

― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

Oh, Christ - wrong thread!

― suzy, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

I voted for BJ and that story is endearing imo

― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:31 (six years ago)

pda is for savages

― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

key question: was it the quiet car?

― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

'nagl', empty criticism

― ogmor, Friday, 3 August 2018 14:14 (six years ago)

I've come to detest hearing all variations of "We'll call you back if interested." Most of the time I'm responding to THEIR ad or inquiry. "Interest" is beside the point, stop making me feel like a beggar/salesman, I am neither. It's a demeaning phrase.

― Real Compton City G, Friday, 10 August 2018 02:12 (six years ago)

yes - they need to decide if they're interested or not BEFORE replying to you

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 August 2018 03:04 (six years ago)

"big dick energy"

I get it, it's ironic because you're the last person who'd ever seriously equate penis size with power and self-esteem. now stop it.

― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Monday, 20 August 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

"self-care"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

I didn't think much of "self-care" at first, but I've been growing to like it and am desperately in need of it most of the time.

"big dick energy" sucks big dicks though. "weird dude energy" was a great term and I'm concerned that it will be tainted by this offshoot.

― incarcerated moonfaces (how's life), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

“Self-care” as a term originated in mental health and disability self-advocacy communities and now brands are using it to sell soap

― faculty w1fe (silby), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:48 (six years ago)

yeah the thing/act of "self-care" itself is obv good & important, but as silby said it's being overused and abused now

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

"self-introduction"

― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

I thought I had already posted "deep cuts" here--must have been on another thread. Just hate it. And it's out there now, it's infecting the general population. A Facebook friend, a local musician my age (a little older even), had a post this morning asking for Monkees deep cuts. The Monkees didn't have deep cuts. They had singles, and they had filler, and some of the filler was better than the singles, but most of it was worse, and that's why those songs weren't singles. They're not deep--not in the sense of being especially profound, and you don't have to look really hard for them, they're right there on the albums. "Album tracks"--that works too.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:21 (six years ago)

doesn't deep cuts literally refer to tracks later on the album?

― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:24 (six years ago)

I don't like 'deep cuts' either, sounds wanky.

― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:26 (six years ago)

I always understood "deep cuts" to mean relatively obscure album tracks (and by extension to anything more obscure than that).

― JRN, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:27 (six years ago)

I had always interpreted it to mean non-singles. If it does mean later on the album...that's a really weird category. How do you decide where the deep cuts start and the shallow ones end? Is it the third song on side two or the fourth?

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:27 (six years ago)

clemenza OTM, "Album track" will suffice

― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

it means non-singles, however deep into the tracklist they are placed

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

If it means obscure, that's a little better I guess, but again, that's a rather subjective call (do the Beatles therefore have no deep cuts?), and why isn't 'obscure' good enough as is?

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:30 (six years ago)

it seems self-congratulatory, like "Check out this deep cut I discovered on Dark Side of the Moon."

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:30 (six years ago)

I think deep cuts are tracks that only a true head would pick, through some combination of obscurity and subtle appeal

― ogmor, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:33 (six years ago)

The Monkees didn't have deep cuts

that's... not true?

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:37 (six years ago)

sorry to barge in here with an ilm opinion

i have literally no problem with "deep cuts" though

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:38 (six years ago)

(do the Beatles therefore have no deep cuts?)

idk, the offcuts on the yellow submarine soundtrack kinda qualifies imo

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:39 (six years ago)

to clarify my original question, i meant "later on the album" with the idea that a lot of albums had the singles at or near the top, which i suppose isn't even often that true

my point is, requiring a song to be non-album to be a "deep cut" doesn't make sense

i could see how the phrase could be annoying or pretentious or wanky if it weren't so... ever-present? depends on who's saying it i guess. i pretty much only hear it metaphorically, like making some kind of obscure pop culture reference and the response being a snort of recognition and "deep cut", or maybe sarcastically to burn someone who thinks they're some kinda cool obscurist, idk

― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:40 (six years ago)

"deep cuts" does imply that there's a set of listeners who are only listening to the singles and there's a set of listeners so devoted that they've discovered key album tracks that rival the singles (which i also think is implied by "deep cuts") which i guess is obnoxious but not particularly objectionable

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:41 (six years ago)

... and that's just as bad tbh. (xp)

― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:42 (six years ago)

I mainly associate it with classic rock djs who get all brave and throw on ZZ Top album track.

It makes more sense these days when you could be referring to a deleted SoundCloud track or something

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:47 (six years ago)

My main point is that it adds a layer of pretension to a perfectly good phrase already in use (album tracks). All that's being said here in defense of the phrase, I don't think there's anything there that wasn't already implied by the term album tracks. (Was the problem, initially, that because albums disappeared for a while, "album tracks" would be confusing and "CD tracks" sounded terrible?) And "deep" is, for me, comically lofty when applied to a band like the Monkees. I love the Monkees. But Jesus, it's the Monkees.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:48 (six years ago)

idk "album tracks" is kinda dull and "deep cuts" has an enthusiasm to it. i guess it's pretentious but whatev

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:49 (six years ago)

i am definitely coming to the defense of a phrase i never use

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:49 (six years ago)

It's evidently going to outlive my whining, so I guess I'll have to make my peace with it. I will make a point of never using it, though.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

you can have a deep cut that never was on an album

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:52 (six years ago)

I always figured that “deep cut” meant not just non-singles but tracks that are not crowd-pleasers.
Like the singles float to the top of the pond, things that aren’t singles but get played on KEXP or whatever float in the middle, and then like the downbeat format-breakers that you really like but lots of people skip are at the bottom of the pond. Also yeah xp bootlegs and demos and Soundcloud tracks and twitter videos.

― faculty w1fe (silby), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:53 (six years ago)

"Deep cut" has a literal meaning: songs that are cut into the vinyl closer to the label and deeper into the record itself. It may be overused, but I like the term, "album cut" doesn't mean the same thing. I agree with Brad, anybody can have deep cuts. In fact, the Monkees are a perfect example of a band that you could make a case for their "deep cuts" because their non-singles are so obscure and widely considered filler. But a deep cut can also be an obscured song beloved by fans (cf. "Soot and Stars" by Smashing Pumpkins). The Beatles absolutely have deep cuts - "Savoy Truffle" for one.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

^meant to say deep cuts don't necessarily have to be on albums, like "Soot and Stars" or "Anything Goes" by Van Dyke Parks.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

I'm trying to think of some strategy that will kill it once and for all...I hope it shows up in one of Trump's tweets.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

Usually I play the hits, like "Lock her up" or "Drain the swamp" but sometimes I pull out a deep cut like "Get rid of that baby."

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:14 (six years ago)

Great!

― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:16 (six years ago)

“I moved on her like a...” is the go to Trump deep cut

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 21:02 (six years ago)

sad!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 21:39 (six years ago)

deep cuts is a very enjoyable album

― kinder, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 22:58 (six years ago)

If what you mean is "songs that weren't singles" or "songs that weren't hits" or "songs that weren't very popular," then I think "album tracks" is actually worse than "deep cuts."

Because guess what: most popular hit singles are also "album tracks." BECAUSE THEY ARE TRACKS THAT ARE ON ALBUMS.

― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:18 (six years ago)

Not all of them, especially in the 60s. I don't really see how 'album tracks' is worse than 'deep cuts' on the obnoxious oneupmanship front?

― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:26 (six years ago)

hence "most"

which adequately accounts for "not all of them" in the language I speak reasonably fluently

― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:29 (six years ago)

https://www.seriouseats.com/images/2015/04/Anova-Steak-Guide-Sous-Vide-Photos33-cooked-rib-cut.jpg

― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:49 (six years ago)

goddamn that looks good. i've gotta eat dinner now

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:59 (six years ago)

There’s only two things that bleed I’d shove in my face and that’s one of them

― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 01:14 (six years ago)

Good lord

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 01:32 (six years ago)

It's only just dawned on me that this thread title constitutes one of the few phrases I can think of that annoys the shit out of me

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 02:24 (six years ago)

the opening post is part of great moments in stupidity too

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 02:25 (six years ago)

Every time I see the “disgusting savages” thread bumped I get annoyed the shit out of, don’t call someone a savage ffs

― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 03:18 (six years ago)

Also what the fuck would “rational anger” even be, that doesn’t make sense

― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 03:21 (six years ago)

“your personal brand”

― Everything to do with chocolate (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 08:55 (six years ago)

Every time I see the “disgusting savages” thread bumped I get annoyed the shit out of, don’t call someone a savage ffs
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:18 AM

This is where I first came across the term:
toilet paper over or under
and to this day, whenever I come across toilet paper that rolls under I mumble "disgusting savage"...

― willem, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 09:20 (six years ago)

the 'disgusting savages' thing is a long-running ILX in-joke

― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 10:37 (six years ago)

yes

also savage is a multivalance term in rural ireland long before tiresomely hip advertising pieces took it

― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 10:42 (six years ago)

The original ilx "disgusting savages" came from a pretty racist place, but it is still in my parlance.

― incarcerated moonfaces (how's life), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 10:46 (six years ago)

unpack

bury this word, it just shows a lack of imagination

― Ross, Thursday, 23 August 2018 16:56 (six years ago)

;_;

― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:12 (six years ago)

when i get home from my vacation i will... remove my clothes and other belongings from my baggage and put them back where they belong or wash or dryclean them as i see fit. whew

― a roomba of one's own (rip van wanko), Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:16 (six years ago)

"breaking down" when used to talk about artists "breaking down" i.e. saying one PR-approved sentence about each song on a record

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:53 (six years ago)

that's how I break it down to an extent

― President Keyes, Thursday, 23 August 2018 19:07 (six years ago)

(to clarify, this is not subtweeting anything in particular, this has been a pet peeve of mine for at least two years)

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 23 August 2018 19:22 (six years ago)

what the fuck would “rational anger” even be, that doesn’t make sense

Ive always taken that to mean "justified anger" as opposed to "I am getting het up about this stupid thing not worth getting angry about like the colour of this guys tie".

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 24 August 2018 04:22 (six years ago)

not even

plenty of anger is perfectly rational

― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Friday, 24 August 2018 09:21 (six years ago)

any variation on "she is / he is / they are my favorite human"

― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 24 August 2018 14:52 (six years ago)

ugh, yes^^^

― flappy bird, Friday, 24 August 2018 18:46 (six years ago)

complaint about general phenomenon I'M LOOKING AT YOU specific example

― massaman gai, Monday, 27 August 2018 07:52 (six years ago)

"activations": I guess this is a jargon that marketing people use when talking to other marketing people, but now they've begun using it when they attempt to talk to real people.

Email from the Brooklyn Museum: "a roster of not-to-be-missed exhibitions and artist activations."

Email from the U.S. Open: "a fan experience enhancement available for all U.S. Open patrons. It allows fans streamlined access to various activities and activation points around the grounds."

― mick signals, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:09 (six years ago)

barf, that's bad. in particular it sounds very video gamey and thus infantilizing, like, you can't just engage with art or whatever, you're going to be activating special locations and unlocking achievements! pokemon go as life.

― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:30 (six years ago)

"reminder that"

"here's your regular reminder that"

"A reminder:"

just say what you want to say goddamn it

― marcos, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:35 (six years ago)

otm

― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:36 (six years ago)

"gentle reminder"

"my son"

"who is she"

"mercury is in retrograde"

― billstevejim, Thursday, 6 September 2018 05:23 (six years ago)

"Outlier", which means "it's the 21st Century and weak generalizations are what righteous people use to speak eternal truths."

― Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 06:44 (six years ago)

The periodic reminder people are awful and will rarely even commit to their awfulness enough to actually post their reminders on a regular basis 👎

― coetzee.cx (wins), Thursday, 6 September 2018 06:55 (six years ago)

That post was just an outlier.

― Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:02 (six years ago)

no i happily use reminder/gentle reminder to point out THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED. customers need a boot sometimes.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:10 (six years ago)

Ugh, the variation I always hear is "friendly reminder". It's probably not that friendly if you have to point out that it is.

― Real Compton City G, Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:19 (six years ago)

Same deal with "I kindly ask" -- how great-minded of you to recognize your own kindness.

― Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:31 (six years ago)

Polite notice is part of this family of expressions.

― suzy, Thursday, 6 September 2018 08:50 (six years ago)

Haha the Facebook “memories” feature just showed me that 2 years ago today I posted a status that started “quick reminder” oops

― coetzee.cx (wins), Thursday, 6 September 2018 09:56 (six years ago)

"you deserve..."
or
"you deserve to be..."

― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 6 September 2018 10:22 (six years ago)

I guess mostly when it's something good, like happiness or love.

― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 6 September 2018 10:30 (six years ago)

"TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE"

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:35 PM (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 September 2018 10:35 (six years ago)

Seriously, what is going on with the poxy fulishness today?

― suzy, Thursday, 6 September 2018 10:45 (six years ago)

Setting myself up here, but it really bugs me when you are being argumentative or negative and somebody responds with "I hear you," which is clearly a phrase they have been trained to use to respectfully acknowledge their debate partner without conceding any points while at the same time trying to shut it down.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 11:46 (six years ago)

I like "I hear you" and there is a need for similar expressions bc lots of ppl don't know when they've made their point

― ogmor, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:10 (six years ago)

"You've made your point" being somehow incomprehensible?

― Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:45 (six years ago)

"you deserve..."
or
"you deserve to be..."

I'll go so far as to actively refuse to buy a product whose advertising tells me I deserve it. Likewise a food that's "decadent." I like dessert but I am nauseated by your implicit ethos of hard work, suffering, and reward, thanks.

― mick signals, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:54 (six years ago)

Josh, I know what you're saying.

― mick signals, Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:57 (six years ago)

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/02/22/07/donald-trump-florida-listening-session-cheat-sheet.jpg

― Number None, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:07 (six years ago)

"you've made your point" is blunt and unsympathetic

― ogmor, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:23 (six years ago)

I hear you.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:40 (six years ago)

sometimes passive aggression is the only tool left in the box :(

what is this?

"my son"

"who is she"

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:08 (six years ago)

"I hear you" is passive-aggressive and fake sympathetic.

― Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:04 (six years ago)

what? no. this is extremely context-dependent. most times i've used it and heard it used it is part of trying to communicate in an empathetic and constructive way. versus "you've made your point" which is almost always hostile and precedes "so shut up" or the equivalent.

― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:13 (six years ago)

"I see your point" is better than either of those 2, no?

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

p sure any formulation of "i entirely understand but i entirely disagree" can be delivered in asshole and non-asshole fashion, and can be misheard one as the other also

― mark s, Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

it can be "yes but" or "yes and" as well ofc

― ogmor, Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:26 (six years ago)

Agree to disagree
I hate this as well, for reasons previously stated but also because it's redundant. I mean, do we have any other choice?

― Jazzbo, Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:54 (six years ago)

let's agree to, to, that i am completely right and you are completely wrong

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

other choice would be to keep on trying to get the other person to agree with you

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:57 (six years ago)

Let’s agree to disagree: dick move on the part of someone with more power who can’t justify themselves but can have their way regardless.

― suzy, Thursday, 6 September 2018 19:06 (six years ago)

“Thanking you” bothers me (when said in person), which is bad of me because the people who say it are usually very nice. It just feels like a commentary on an action rather than a thankyou. But given it tends to come up during retail transactions I’m not sure a sincere ‘thankyou’ is called for.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 7 September 2018 06:33 (six years ago)

I know this is me vs USA but I cannot abide grown adults using the terms "poop" and "pooping". It's like excusing yourself from a work meeting because you wanna go wee-wee.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 7 September 2018 06:38 (six years ago)

"lets agree to disagree" often just a useful reminder that actual engagement in disagreement is 95% sophomoric performance and lunch is pending

― lee guacamole (darraghmac), Friday, 7 September 2018 06:44 (six years ago)

sometimes tho it's a weaselly way to sneak out of an argument that isn't going your way

― Mordy, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:17 (six years ago)

other phrases that have sometimes proved to be weaselly dick moves:
"you're right, i absolutely agree"
"i love you"
"this treaty means our countries will never go to war"

― mark s, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:22 (six years ago)

outright lies vs. rhetorical escape hatches

― Mordy, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:24 (six years ago)

is there a way to suspend an argument that isn't going to be a rhetorical escape hatch tho? i often use "you're probably right" but inside i'm thinking "except you're totally not ~~and one day i shall crush you~~"

― mark s, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:34 (six years ago)

http://imgur.com/QRMHLq4l.png

― mick signals, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:56 (six years ago)

"Vacay"--ugh. Like it's not bad enough that you're posting pictures six times a day.

― clemenza, Sunday, 9 September 2018 14:50 (six years ago)

My favorite rhetorical escape hatch is "you could be right about that". So much more submerged than "let's agree to disagree". If you say it with the right tone of voice, your interlocutor will never notice you are not actually in full agreement. Works best with your boss.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 September 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

"intellectual honesty" the worst people use this.

― Yerac, Sunday, 9 September 2018 18:41 (six years ago)

"i get that" another pretty good one but can easily slip into shades of peremptory condescension so handle with care

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 September 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

(i said that to my boss in a partic frantic roundtable conversation last week and immediately doubted myself)

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 September 2018 19:51 (six years ago)

ach sure nobody should do anything but agree sure

― lee guacamole (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 September 2018 20:51 (six years ago)

they should probably have to list back a precis of the discussion to ensure they were on message afterwards tbh

― lee guacamole (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 September 2018 20:52 (six years ago)

i realize i spend a lot of time beating up on "traditional media", but dogged conformance to journalistic style, after it has become abundantly clear that journalistic substance is a dead letter, really does chap my hide. recently i saw the headline "Employee, man brawl inside Chick-Fil-A restaurant in DC". If that's how your style guide tells you to write, you should strongly consider selectively ignoring your style guide.

― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Sunday, 9 September 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

Headlines are notoriously places where brevity is elevated above grammar and sense.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 September 2018 21:27 (six years ago)

yeah wtf style guides rule

― flappy bird, Sunday, 9 September 2018 22:01 (six years ago)

Re: ‘let’s agree to disagree’: “it is our duty to be inflexible on matters of principle: we owe our friends friendship, we do not owe them weakness.” (Ian Hamilton Finlay)

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 10 September 2018 13:54 (six years ago)

what is the outcome of that tho

as in i could see it being an argument for or against agreeing to disagree!

― lee guacamole (darraghmac), Monday, 10 September 2018 13:58 (six years ago)

when scummy politicians say another one speaks "truth to power" is something I keep hearing recently, even before Andrew Bridgen used it about Boris earlier, I heard it used on another mendacious creep recently.

― calzino, Monday, 10 September 2018 14:20 (six years ago)

oftentimes

― andrew m., Monday, 10 September 2018 15:39 (six years ago)

^ An American Thing

― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Monday, 10 September 2018 15:42 (six years ago)

id use bytimes a good bit tbh

― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Monday, 10 September 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

maybe I just notice it more for obvious reasons but I've been seeing "lodestar" a lot in non-political articles

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 14:48 (six years ago)

I heard someone advocate recently for editing every possible cliche out of one’s writing, and I think it’s a good rule. I think that’s part of what this thread is getting at. We all read more writing from more people every day than at any previous point in history and most of it’s boring.

― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:29 (six years ago)

Conversely, you also run into writing that strains painfully to avoid cliche and to express simple ideas in unusual gimmicky ways and it can be a mess.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:52 (six years ago)

I used to use clichés like they were going out of style. Now I avoid them like the plague.

― Never mind the bollards (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

lol

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 16:21 (six years ago)

Choreography has always been a lodestar for Ms. Letissier

oh god it's happening to me too

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

Conversely, you also run into writing that strains painfully to avoid cliche and to express simple ideas in unusual gimmicky ways and it can be a mess.

― mick signals, Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:52 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is annoying but they are lodestar in comparison

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

anus champ

― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 18:12 (six years ago)

LoadStar, the floppy-disk-based magazine for Commodore 64 users, has always been a ... a touchstone for me.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

xp that was the exact article that led me to mention it actually

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

lol i figured it might've been

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:15 (six years ago)

I'm still waiting to see which Democratic candidate will turn out to be our Lode Runner for Atari 800, Commodore 64, and Apple II systems with at least 64k RAM

― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:30 (six years ago)

Avoid clichés by isolating, quarantining, and thoroughly fumigating them.

― jmm, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6vZTJXcAA_W-H.jpg:small

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 19:39 (six years ago)

― andrew m., Wednesday, 12 September 2018 20:36 (six years ago)

I really want to start responding to 'morning' with a hearty 'well-observed'.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 12:26 (six years ago)

"Hello!"
"Oh, how very original."

― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 14 September 2018 12:43 (six years ago)

Posts that start 'This is huge' followed by some revelation the author is certain will DEFINITELY lead to Trump's impeachment/Brexit being cancelled/whatever

― Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 14 September 2018 12:46 (six years ago)

'I'm so sorry for your loss.'
'I'm so sorry for your addiction to clichés. My deepest sympathies!'

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 12:51 (six years ago)

(I swear I'm not That Guy. I was properly socialized. Relatively properly, anyway.)

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 12:54 (six years ago)

i mean

that is the essential soul of what is good and necessary about cliché, that phrase

it insulates from all of the agonies of misunderstanding of intent or delivery that can arise in just about any phrased or unphrased human interaction and delivers the absolutest clarity and intent, in the most widely recognised formula available, to people least able at that time to process much of anything except perhaps a presence and the delivery of such a phrase.

you would have to have many things wrong with you to not understand implicitly the utility of such a phrase for the circumstances imo

― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Friday, 14 September 2018 13:48 (six years ago)

Yeah, ordinarily I appreciate people who avoid formulaic speech, and who can come up with something a trifle more daring at a party than "what do you do?".

But at my mom's funeral two years ago, I found I was not craving variety and creativity in what people said; if someone said something formulaic I found I was relieved and pleased.

― know-it-some (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 September 2018 13:57 (six years ago)

I fear that my horribly-formed 'joke' may have provoked the very agony of which deems speaks.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:00 (six years ago)

I was bantering with Doc C, do u see

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:01 (six years ago)

i got it, OL!

but glad it inadvertently prompted dmac and YMP, who articulated something important and an experience i've shared.

― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:02 (six years ago)

if you ever find yourself thinking "how can i condole with somebody in an original and non-cliched way?" then you should strongly consider fucking yourself for eternity

― every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:04 (six years ago)

And really, my initial post wasn't exactly fueled by the shit being annoyed out of me. It was more the experience of hearing a word over and over until it sounds like random phonemes disconnected from context and meaning. I'd heard and said 'morning' like twelve times within a five-minute stretch and thought 'huh, humans r weird'.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:05 (six years ago)

"convo" for conversation

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:18 (six years ago)

Good mourning!

― mick signals, Friday, 14 September 2018 14:30 (six years ago)

oh i am the sincere person missing puns

what a turnup

― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:48 (six years ago)

Was gonna say, thought ol' treesh had gotten your login info for a sec.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:49 (six years ago)

I appreciated your impassioned riposte, nonetheless.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 14:50 (six years ago)

Unless you're literally talking about extraction into a liquid, don't say "infuse."

So this is bad:

In a flat world, infused with the complexities of contracting over information, off-the-shelf contracts and standardized legal reasoning and approaches don’t cut it. What’s needed are creative ways to manage strategic relationships. https://t.co/LJ3leh1szb
— Gillian Hadfield (@ghadfield) June 19, 2018

This is fine though:

This shampoo and conditioner is literally infused with love: https://t.co/sUnAt19g76 pic.twitter.com/473mYSVx8X
— InStyle (@InStyle) June 18, 2016

― mick signals, Friday, 14 September 2018 15:02 (six years ago)

The bigger problem with tweet #1 imo is that it is word barf.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:09 (six years ago)

In a flat world, barf is critical to proactively steer our dynamic word logistic advantages.

― mick signals, Friday, 14 September 2018 15:16 (six years ago)

in a flat world, apparently fields need to be leveled, despite being flat

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:17 (six years ago)

It requires a means of responding to the very unevenness—the nonflatness—that has persisted, even been exacerbated, in the wake of the ways in which the global platform has rearranged work and resources.

― mick signals, Friday, 14 September 2018 15:22 (six years ago)

Regardless of the world's shape or what it's been infused with, I feel like it would be difficult to cut anything using only contracts or reasoning. That's not how cutting things works.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

For the 21st century, we need virtual contracts literally infused with titanium that can selectively cut the DNA of the blockchain.

― mick signals, Friday, 14 September 2018 15:37 (six years ago)

I think we need to respond to low-hanging fruit both proactively and reactively, while answering the mail and not drinking our own bathwater. That's the long pole in the tent that will help us avoid the sharks in the water.

― know-it-some (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:40 (six years ago)

When our bathwater is literally infused with low-hanging fruit, we need aggressive contracts to manage the sharks that drink it.

― mick signals, Friday, 14 September 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

Pooh-pooh them all you like, I think mixed metaphors are quite delicious.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

are they epic bacon awesomesauce?

― flappy bird, Friday, 14 September 2018 16:34 (six years ago)

Careful, we don't want Mr. Fieri's attorneys filing any copyright infringement suits.

― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2018 16:56 (six years ago)

i think about ___ a lot

― https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZZlQ4Tmrc (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:07 (six years ago)

'Have you actually?' or 'did you actually?' is the one that winds me up the most at the moment. It's impossible to say without sounding as dense as a neutron star.

― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 15 September 2018 08:34 (six years ago)

"Name a better (whatever variety of thing it is). We'll wait." <---this is a social media account manager's lame attempt at being sassy, and has never been anything else

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 22 September 2018 18:05 (six years ago)

“love too” has run its course I feel

― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 September 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

“feature, not a bug”

― omar little, Saturday, 22 September 2018 22:54 (six years ago)

"love too"? what is this usage?

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 22 September 2018 22:56 (six years ago)

posts in which a reprehensible / stupid action is endorsed, as in "love too undermine sexually assaulted women to endorse my SC nominee" (usually "too" or "2").
I kind of like them.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 22 September 2018 23:00 (six years ago)

wow i am totally unfamiliar with this but it sounds awful

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:12 (six years ago)

Today I caught myself starting a conversation with “you know how people like chips?”

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:18 (six years ago)

xp nah it was one of those ones that was funny for a bit and then reached critical mass and will probably be on greeting cards next year

― flappy bird, Sunday, 23 September 2018 06:52 (six years ago)

sorry LL I should have clarified that it's used in a satirical / arch manner, i.e. what kind of moron could endorse this view

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 23 September 2018 08:43 (six years ago)

"as a ....."

― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:14 (six years ago)

The topic on the sports call-in show tonight was "Your hot take on the Leafs"--they were especially encouraging "steaming hot takes on the Leafs."

I've hated "hot take" since the first time I heard it, and the more ubiquitous it gets, the more I hate it. It sounds so creepy. I'm not even sure of its precise meaning: is it supposed to be an instantaneous opinion without any thought, or does any willfully controversial opinion count? Or both? No need to answer--I absolutely don't care.

Just in general: why do people want to say the same things everybody else is saying? If you're suddenly hearing the same phrase over and over, that's like a big red flag: never say or write these words. But so many people just want to grab on and be part of it.

― clemenza, Friday, 28 September 2018 02:11 (six years ago)

a hot take is a controversial opinion, but its ubiquity has diluted almost all meaning

― flappy bird, Friday, 28 September 2018 04:59 (six years ago)

doesn’t it just mean an instant reaction in the heat of the moment, and not fully thought through? Doesn’t need to be controversial afaik.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 28 September 2018 09:16 (six years ago)

“love too” has run its course I feel

yeah there could be a whole subthread within this one about these types. i'd add:

"sure sex is great but have you tried ..."

― andrew m., Friday, 28 September 2018 14:27 (six years ago)

"optics" -- kill me. hearing this ALL the time now

― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

People failing to pronounce 'Bros.' as brothers, in Super Mario Bros, Super Smash Bros. etc.

It was always pronounced 'brothers'!

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

http://entertainment.ie//images_content/rectangle/620x372/bros2.jpg

― Number None, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:31 (six years ago)

Obviously the band Bros confuses things, but I don't think that has much to do with the shift.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:32 (six years ago)

(xpost!)

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:32 (six years ago)

counterpoint: Moss Bros, always pronounced to rhyme

― mark s, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:34 (six years ago)

Even then, its not the 'bro' vowel sound.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:35 (six years ago)

opened eyes
turned heads
raised eyebrows

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:37 (six years ago)

"Prior to"

― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:37 (six years ago)

turned stomachs

― mick signals, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:40 (six years ago)

opened eyes
turned heads
raised eyebrows
― mookieproof, Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:37 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can't lose

― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

a colleague never 'goes upstairs to' do something; he insists on 'going upstairs in order to' do something

see also: egregious use of 'within' rather than 'in'

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

when people say they're "investing in" expensive gadgets that will be out of date in 3 years

― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:23 (six years ago)

3 year investment

checks out

― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:52 (six years ago)

one I've started noticing recently in political reporting: "have a [good] story to tell"

― soref, Thursday, 11 October 2018 12:04 (six years ago)

because political reporters, like everyone else, now think they are writers

― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 October 2018 12:35 (six years ago)

"deadass"

― rip van wanko, Thursday, 11 October 2018 13:06 (six years ago)

repeated use of 'proceeded to...'

― kinder, Thursday, 11 October 2018 13:09 (six years ago)

^^^

― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:09 (six years ago)

“happy wife, happy life”

― estela, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:27 (six years ago)

'the'. So overused, sounds like 'duh' and is just as much a signifier of stupidity imo. Use other articles, sheeple, gawd.

― Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:29 (six years ago)

"optics" -- kill me. hearing this ALL the time now

Still less annoying than 'not a good look' or, worse yet, 'nagl'.

― pomenitul, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:30 (six years ago)

First they came for the good looks, and I said nothing, for I was not a good look

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:32 (six years ago)

not good lookin'

― jmm, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:36 (six years ago)

I probably posted this already, but I'm tired of being told to let things "sink in"

― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:05 (six years ago)

"Name a better (whatever variety of thing it is). We'll wait." <---this is a social media account manager's lame attempt at being sassy, and has never been anything else

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:05 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:06 (six years ago)

"so stinkin' (cute, adorable, etc)"

― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:06 (six years ago)

what’s especially annoying is that they never wait

xp

― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:07 (six years ago)

social media managers having to gin up verbiage in places that really don't even need verbiage has become the bane of my eyeballs.

see also the sub-headlines under any form of web-quiz (Sporcle is a relentless offender here), which are invariably just restating the title but with the addition of some attempt at being casual, chummy, and sassy, or making an 'insider' reference (which could have been generated by a robot) to the subject matter. like if the quiz is called "Which Gryffindor Student Are You?" it really doesn't need "Break out the Polyjuice Potion and prepare to get lit...erature!"

you sure about that?

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

getting really tired of the use of "bullied" outside of actual bullying contexts. Heard reference to Elizabeth Warren being "bullied" by Trump. I think it's kind of a stretch to suggest that national politicians can "bully" each other.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:29 (six years ago)

perhaps elizabeth warren is not *being* bullied, but 'bullying' is a pretty accurate term for trump's attitude and world view

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:39 (six years ago)

imo he is global king of DARVO -- it's way beyond bullying
DARVO is my new favorite acronym

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:41 (six years ago)

me too
I need to moan about DARVOing somewhere but I'm paranoid the offender will find it and keep on DARVOing even more

― kinder, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:49 (six years ago)

omg it just dawned on me
donnie darvo

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:54 (six years ago)

haha

― kinder, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:58 (six years ago)

carrots and sticks

― marcos, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:02 (six years ago)

Greta Darvo, and Monroe
Dietrich and DiMaggio

― CERN troll (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:05 (six years ago)

iplayer trails keep talking about "box sets". it's digital, there is no box.

(see also those angry letters to papers / bbc complaints email about how they should be called "boxed sets", because "box set" is a set of boxes)

― koogs, Friday, 19 October 2018 08:56 (six years ago)

Or even iTunes changing its nomenclature from Disc 1, Disc 2 ... to Disk 1, Disk 2 ... - it’s freakin me out.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 19 October 2018 09:12 (six years ago)

a colleague never 'goes upstairs to' do something; he insists on 'going upstairs in order to' do something

lol

― andrew m., Friday, 19 October 2018 14:10 (six years ago)

did "scantily clad" show up here yet?

― billstevejim, Saturday, 27 October 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

'scantily clad' is an all-time yellow journalism coinage

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:43 (six years ago)

Ungrammatical use of ‘myself’ when ‘me’ would be correct and sufficient. As just used by the chancellor of the exchequer (who ought to know better) on the Andrew Marr politics show.

― suzy, Sunday, 28 October 2018 10:50 (six years ago)

that shits me right the fuck to tears

― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 October 2018 11:09 (six years ago)

Suzy otm. Whenever you can use “me” or “you,” do so. “Myself” should only be used as a reflexive - “I washed myself.”

― calstars, Sunday, 28 October 2018 11:31 (six years ago)

Like a bridge over troubled water
I will lay myself down

― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 October 2018 11:37 (six years ago)

seems to be a willingness to overlook subtleties of dialect or vernacular in that pov tbh, "myself" does a lot of running in at least one strain of anglic id be passing familiar with meself

― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 October 2018 12:16 (six years ago)

Another shit trend to blame on The Apprentice (UK) where all of them are at it.

― suzy, Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:00 (six years ago)

The use of the word "spoiler" to function as an exclamation mark at the start of a sentence.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 28 October 2018 14:51 (six years ago)

if you put it at the end of the sentence it defeats the purpose tbf

― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 October 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

I assume the over-use of myself is (in large part) overcorrection by people who get nervous about when to say "I" and when to say "me".

― Tim, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

“Myself” - Also used as attempt to add flair to an otherwise dull phrase - “When you’ve finished, please let David and myself know.”
Nope

― calstars, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:58 (six years ago)

seems to be a willingness to overlook subtleties of dialect or vernacular in that pov tbh, "myself" does a lot of running in at least one strain of anglic id be passing familiar with meself

Ah, it's yourself, deems.

― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:34 (six years ago)

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c2/c2c6d28b0e2c7d6ee4f8068544489b35f902061f66c48e90b897d6d4a7e971c3.jpg

― kinder, Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:59 (six years ago)

lol

― calstars, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:01 (six years ago)

“Myself” - Also used as attempt to add flair to an otherwise dull phrase - “When you’ve finished, please let David and myself know.”
Nope

I ask students about this every semester, and the honest answer is, "I don't know whether to use 'I' or 'me.'" So they avoid the problem.

― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:02 (six years ago)

its meself tom is it yerself?

― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:43 (six years ago)

mise mé féin agus an bfhuil sé tusa féin anois a mhic

― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

Myself when I am real(ly pedantic)

― You (bleeping) need me. You can't Finn without me (fionnland), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:49 (six years ago)

subject object
——————-
I me
we us
she her
he him
they them
who whom

^ should be on every english-speaking wall imo

― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:56 (six years ago)

that would help if everyone who speaks english already knew what subjects and objects are, but they don't

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:57 (six years ago)

true

― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:10 (six years ago)

Yrself is steam

― calstars, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:20 (six years ago)

xxp just put "is/are gonna do it to" between the pairs huh

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 29 October 2018 09:59 (six years ago)

Heard on the radio this morning that Twitter is going to eliminate their like button and replace it with something that will incentivize good behavior. Not the worst word in the world, but encourage perfectly well. (When did incentivize enter common usage? Guessing within the past 25 years.) The problem is that the next step is to start punishcizing bad behavior.

― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 11:35 (six years ago)

"works perfectly well"

― clemenza, Monday, 29 October 2018 11:35 (six years ago)

in instruction manuals:

"simply.. (action)"

subtext: u moron

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 October 2018 12:04 (six years ago)

Step 1: purchase the parts. Step 2: assemble the object. Step 3: enjoy.

― pomenitul, Monday, 29 October 2018 12:05 (six years ago)

simply enjoy

― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

"Then, simply press up on the outer ring and turn clockwise without disengaging the battery housing"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

“Disgusting savages”

― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 7:51 AM (four months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

plz maybe start a new thread about ppl whose foibles annoy you with a different goddamn title ffs

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

Before I had had enough coffee to laugh it off, somebody said to me today "I think this will be a good solve" and I didn't mean to just stare at them slackjawed for a moment but somehow I did.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:15 (six years ago)

“Fixed that for you” w strike through and “joke” edit never need to see this again

― Mordy, Friday, 2 November 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

agreed

― flappy bird, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:17 (six years ago)

People who pronounce “timbre” as “timber”
X-post to the disgusting savages thread

― calstars, Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:42 (six years ago)

lol yeah like Howard's dad

― flappy bird, Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

Haha yes. Everyone on the HS show is now pronouncing it like the morons they really are, even smartypants Robin

― calstars, Monday, 5 November 2018 00:00 (six years ago)

"...gives me pause"

Have we had that? I hate it so much.

― brokenshire (jed_), Sunday, 11 November 2018 08:29 (six years ago)

sounds like a plan

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

gives me pause gives me cause to post here

― omar little, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:38 (six years ago)

Someone on my fb was saying that kids in school music classes are calling the sharp# a hashtag. blech.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:41 (six years ago)

I like "gives me pause" because I always picture the speaker with little paws, sitting up and begging.

― mick signals, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:50 (six years ago)

Lol

― brokenshire (jed_), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:18 (six years ago)

"Level best". Is it just me or is this suddenly being used a lot recently?

― maffew12, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:19 (six years ago)

i've been around programmers/developers my whole life so i've always heard "#" being referred to as hash, so it's not a huge deal to me

i've never heard anyone refer to it as a sharp outside of music though, it was mostly number sign or pound

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:27 (six years ago)

thanks for the info, Fhash Ahash

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:30 (six years ago)

yup yup yup

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

TIL there are a lot of signs similar to the sharp sign, and a lot of names for them! i already sorta kinda knew abt "octothorp" (tho i couldn't actually remember it, which is why i looked all this up)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

foctothorp

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

when i'm canada the recorded voice when calling places say "number sign"

when in the us, they say "pound"

some odd exceptions in the us, because murica

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:35 (six years ago)

says*

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:36 (six years ago)

yeah I know a few teachers and they've all brought up the flat/hashtag thing to me, totally exasperated

what do those kids think of the "phone" icon on their smartphones?

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:36 (six years ago)

flat/hashtag would actually be exasperating

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:38 (six years ago)

flattag

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:39 (six years ago)

The sharp sign is obviously not a hash/pound sign

♯ vs #

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:41 (six years ago)

i used to use an actual sharp sign for my dn but people wanted all my pithy comments to be searchable

#fanservice

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:44 (six years ago)

btw any media outlets not properly diacriticizing Spanish names (let alone French, or Vietnamese) in 2018 needs to get their acts together, you look illiterate when you write "Bogota"

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

Bah-GOAT-uh, Columbia

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

I just realized that when I used to notate music I never wrote the sharp slanting the right way.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:47 (six years ago)

you really don't have to

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:50 (six years ago)

I can definitely hear when it isn't slanting tbf

― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:53 (six years ago)

it's less sharp right?

― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:58 (six years ago)

btw any media outlets not properly diacriticizing Spanish names (let alone French, or Vietnamese) in 2018 needs to get their acts together, you look illiterate when you write "Bogota"
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby)

Yes, and there's a big difference between "año" and "ano," NY Times Crossword editor

― Josefa, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:58 (six years ago)

you guys are ripping nytimes a new ano

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:00 (six years ago)

http://www.rpmseattle.com/of_note/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/03_QT_Symbols-500x171.png

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

waht

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

quartertones baby

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:07 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7vZURdhucM

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Llpd%2B1%C2%BD.svg/164px-Llpd%2B1%C2%BD.svg.pngmicrotone4lyfe

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:11 (six years ago)

What is this madness.

― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:11 (six years ago)

it's where the fun starts

― mark s, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

I approve.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

cof break fellas

― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:13 (six years ago)

It's a gateway drug and it inevitably leads to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxBlj-R8OQ

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:14 (six years ago)

or that metal dude imago likes

― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:19 (six years ago)

"Wins the internet"--track down whoever came up with that idiocy.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:07 (six years ago)

wins iirc

― mark s, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:09 (six years ago)

People Who Have Won the Internet

People who deftly dramatize and inhabit the internet; people who have read the whole thing; people who determine the rules of internet engagement. There aren’t a lot of them but there are too many to name–so maybe it is time we started a list. I will offer my top five: Molly Lambert, Julian Assange, Tavi, Andrey Ternovskiy, and Ned Raggett.

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:41 (six years ago)

twitter explodes

― omar little, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:42 (six years ago)

A tad immodest from Ned there tbh.

― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:45 (six years ago)

Whatever. This. Is. Called.

Stupidest. Thing. Ever.

(This has probably been mentioned already, but I don't know how to search it.)

― clemenza, Friday, 16 November 2018 12:58 (six years ago)

pseudo frenchisms like oui'd, heaux etc

seriously wtf

― groovemaaan, Friday, 23 November 2018 12:34 (six years ago)

That thing where people say "[something like 'no one cares'/'whatever you say'], Karen/Carol/Generic Unhip White Woman Name" to condescendingly call bullshit on something.

― triggercut, Friday, 23 November 2018 13:09 (six years ago)

It seems like a bad fusion of the concept of emotional labor in the workplace and unpaid domestic labor at home.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, October 23, 2017 12:23 PM (one year ago)

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/11/arlie-hochschild-housework-isnt-emotional-labor/576637/

HOCHSCHILD SPEAKS

Beck: Okay, so that was the lightning round. Thank you for doing that. It’s interesting because it seems like people are trying to have an important conversation about the work that women are expected to do outside of their jobs, about the way they have to smooth social interactions, or sometimes it’s about having to remember all this stuff for the household, or sometimes in the office. Or about just chores? And all of these things are getting kind of smooshed together and being called emotional labor, as far as I can tell.
Hochschild: I agree. We’re trying to have an important conversation but having it in a very hazy way, working with [ a] blunt concept. I think the answer is to be more precise and careful in our ideas and to bring this conversation into families and to the office in a helpful way.
If you have an important conversation using muddy ideas, you cannot accomplish your purpose. You won’t be understood by others. And you won’t be clear to yourself. That’s what’s going on. It’d be like going to a bad therapist—“Well, just try to have a better day tomorrow.” You’re doing the right thing, you’re seeking help, but you’re not getting clarification and communicating clearly. It can defeat the purpose; it can backfire.

― j., Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:19 (six years ago)

when 'automatic' is used instead of 'instant', or thereabouts. for example, in the context of a game, or something: "if you roll a 4, that's an automatic lose". NO! there is no automation here.

also, this is very much a regional english thing, but i'm noticing a lot of yorkshire/lancashire folks developing a trend of omitting prepositions:
"I'm going Tesco"
"Wanna go cinema but not sure what to see"
"Anyone going Thee Oh Sees tonight?"

*to*. you're going *TO*. your words. use them.

― meaulnes, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 04:04 (six years ago)

telegraphic language is damned easy to misunderstand, but the tendency toward terseness appears to inhere in our ever more technological and complex culture. at some point this kind of lossy compression will collide with the ever increasing complexity and specificity of modern capitalism and create so much drag and inefficiency that the whole apparatus will cease to function. I already see signs of this happening.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 04:20 (six years ago)

Examples

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 04:37 (six years ago)

❆❆❆❆ ↺ ㋛ ☏

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 04:53 (six years ago)

tbh most ppl use too many words

― mark s, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:31 (six years ago)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-11/256/thumbs-down.png

― mark s, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:31 (six years ago)

thread load bollocks usual

― Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:47 (six years ago)

Beginning sentences with "Am" rather than I'm or I am is currently grinding my gears.

― brokenshire (jed_), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:07 (six years ago)

will try to dial it back chief.

― j., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:35 (six years ago)

in the context of a game, or something: "if you roll a 4, that's an automatic lose". NO! there is no automation here.

i think it's specifically ok in the context of a game, where the rules are the mechanics of the game. so as an adjective, automatic works fine.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

doesn't mean it can't bother you, though.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

There's a Pitchfork headline about Mac Miller's "posthumous" Spotify session and maybe I'm a pedant but I wish it said "posthumously released"

― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:46 (six years ago)

impactful

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 18:47 (six years ago)

“Look, I’m not going to lie...”
Ok, so everything you’re been saying EXCEPT this next statement has been bs

― calstars, Thursday, 29 November 2018 00:39 (six years ago)

^ given that the phrase is consistently used as the prelude to saying something you would prefer to be a falsehood, regardless of whatever was said prior, that seems like a perverse interpretation designed to neutralize having to accept whatever is said next as true by casting your interlocutor as an inveterate liar.

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 29 November 2018 05:49 (six years ago)

look, gird your loins for what i'm about to lay down here...

― andrew m., Thursday, 29 November 2018 14:53 (six years ago)

^ given that the phrase is consistently used as the prelude to saying something you would prefer to be a falsehood,

Yeah that’s one possibility. But as the listener you don’t know for certain.

― calstars, Thursday, 29 November 2018 15:55 (six years ago)

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

― ninthyoung, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

otm i alvvays luvd that qvote

― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:57 (six years ago)

Sometimes that phrase comes to my mind when I walk into the bar. Though I’m not sure what result I’m expecting

― calstars, Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

*checks notes*

really, ffs. do not.

that's not a reply to anyone on this thread, btw, it's a new offence.

― brokenshire (jed_), Friday, 30 November 2018 00:00 (six years ago)

“big spoon”/“little spoon” – spoons of different sizes do not nest together; spoons of the same size do. That’s why it’s called spooning

“The Venn diagram of A and B is just a circle” – this is not how Venn diagrams work. They do not represent proportions. Generally.

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 30 November 2018 01:18 (six years ago)

impactful

― mookieproof, Wednesday, November 28, 2018

I've waged a Sommes-level battle against it for years. We've lost.

― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2018 01:18 (six years ago)

whoa @ spoon

― flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 06:58 (six years ago)

“Business Garden”

― calstars, Monday, 3 December 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

on-boarding

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:47 (six years ago)

“Business Garden” is a terrible euphemism

― mick signals, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:19 (six years ago)

getting online in the matrix

― Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:22 (six years ago)

"how busy are you right now?"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 13:25 (six years ago)

i mean. motherfucker you did not just say that

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 13:26 (six years ago)

'overly

the lamest of adverbs. it just looks wrong to me

― meaulnes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:25 (six years ago)

stray apostrophe, there

― meaulnes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:26 (six years ago)

referring to twitter as "this website"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

yeah the proper term is "this hell website"

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

I've got an 'overly bunch of coconuts

― kinder, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:47 (six years ago)

i LOVE "this website"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:16 (six years ago)

Thanks, customer service wageslave. Yes, when I requested that billing correction, I actually only wanted your deep understanding and sympathy, not money.

Thanks for reaching out to us, I certainly understand your concern and assure you not to worry at all.
I truly see the importance of being fairly charged. Rest assured we're actively working to make sure all of your experiences are up to your standards, so you, coming to us with this concern will help us determine how to improve our services better. We apologize for your inconvenience caused by our policy and we wish you to know that customer satisfaction is our highest priority.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:46 (six years ago)

The specific usage or phrase in this case would be telling me not to worry, which is IMO appropriate to say only a) if I have expressed worry rather than a simple professional request; b) if you are about to resolve a problem that might be causing me worry; and/or c) if you know me personally.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:14 (six years ago)

, so you,

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:09 (six years ago)

like "that marabou scarf is so you"?

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:08 (six years ago)

mick signals, those go down a lot easier if you mentally read them in the voice of HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

Huh! You're right. Even better if I mentally set myself adrift in frigid vacuum afterwards.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:46 (six years ago)

“There’s no need to press numbers. You can speak to me just like you would a real person.”

― calstars, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:47 (six years ago)

"rapey"

― marcos, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:23 (six years ago)

Had this yearly 15-minute meeting with my principal today where you look over whatever diagnostic testing you did in the fall, flag students of concern, etc. And this: "How are you empowering modern learners?" "Um...I talk about Richard Nixon a lot!"

I didn't actually say that--it occurred to me on the way home that that's what I should've said. (I instead, as I always do, mumbled something close to "Um, you know, a little bit of this, a little bit of that.") I have to remind myself that I'm retiring this year, and now's the time to openly mock every mind-numbing bit of jargon I've encountered the past 20 years.

― clemenza, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:11 (six years ago)

clemenza, have you considered

~activating~ the modern learners?

― Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:15 (six years ago)

they are full of stored up potential, waiting to be unleashed. but first you must activate

― Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:15 (six years ago)

And me in love with modern learning
Me in love with modern rock & roll
Modern learning and modern rock & roll
Don't feel so alone, got the modern learners activated

― clemenza, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:36 (six years ago)

"I had that dream again" is getting pretty tedious

― flappy bird, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

"hellscape"

― groovemaaan, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 07:20 (six years ago)

"jobby"

― meaulnes, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:04 (six years ago)

People that apologize for saying something weird. Being a normie isn't something people should strive for.

― ヽ(_　_ヽ)彡 ᴵ'ᵐ ᵒᵏᵃʸ_(･＿．)/ (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

"what fresh hell..." was good when it was new. it is no longer new.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

No longer fresh.

― jmm, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

What everyone really needs to accept is that it’s horribly grating to hear anyone say anything that anyone else has ever said before

― devops mom (silby), Friday, July 6, 2018 6:18 PM (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

ugh my mom used to say that

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

In The Flowers of Tarbes: or, Terror in Literature, Jean Paulhan distinguishes between rhetoricians – those who believe that language is a pre-existing reservoir of commonplace tropes – and terrorists – revolutionaries who demand that language be perpetually reinvented. I assume most of us itt are terrorists.

― pomenitul, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

I like that construction

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

I'm absolutely a terrorist, there's nothing I love more than the abject crimes against comprehensibility I sometimes find in the wild

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

you might think of advertising and other forms of commercial text as tropey but the innovations I've seen in ads and headlines and marketing-speak have affected me profoundly

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:53 (six years ago)

jazztalkers 4lyfe

― Moussa- ppl gon die (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:31 (six years ago)

on NPR I heard the termed "pwned" pronounced like "owned" with a p at the beginning ("poned" if you will). i don't know that i've ever attempted to pronounce pwned but would you say "poned" or just "owned" or "owned with a p"?

― rip van wanko, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

I still hear it in my head as "pawned"

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:24 (six years ago)

I'd say it the NPR way.

― pomenitul, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

made me cringe for some reason, but it's always a little embarrassing when internet lingo gets thrown around irl

― rip van wanko, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

That word should never be spoken

― calstars, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:42 (six years ago)

otm

― flappy bird, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:02 (six years ago)

pronounced "oat-um"

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:05 (six years ago)

always heard poned, but have heard pawned before. i remember hearing the correct pronunciation is "owned", the p is not pronounced, but that's some dot-jiff shit best left in history's dustbin. actually the whole word is

― teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:32 (six years ago)

like lets stop saying pwned we are no longer eagerly awaiting the 1.6 iteration of counterstrike

― teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:33 (six years ago)

In my head pwned sort of rhymes with swooned. Not with boned.

Pwn basically rhymes with swoon.

This is partly by analogy with "cwm," a word derived from Welsh, meaning "valley," and it may be the only other English word in which way is a vowel.

But I acknowledge that this is not the general consensus.

― Anne Frankenstein (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 December 2018 00:29 (six years ago)

* in which w functions as a vowel (I meant to say)

― Anne Frankenstein (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 December 2018 00:30 (six years ago)

the term abu amza

― gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 December 2018 00:39 (six years ago)

when i used to play counterstrike and be on ventrilo back in the early 00s we (mainly British people with a few northern Europeans) used to say "poned"

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 15 December 2018 00:41 (six years ago)

cornpwn

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 December 2018 00:52 (six years ago)

i don't like the world progressive in most contexts that it's used - progressive politics, progressive rock, progressive house. i like the meaning that means going forward from step to step

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 15 December 2018 00:53 (six years ago)

agreed, it's an unpleasant word for some reason. "prog rock" is even worse.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 15 December 2018 01:02 (six years ago)

ah, but the progressive income tax is a fine thing to behold

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 December 2018 01:07 (six years ago)

Pwned = teh l0lz

― calstars, Saturday, 15 December 2018 01:28 (six years ago)

teh n00b

― Anne Frankenstein (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 December 2018 01:57 (six years ago)

^
l337

― rip van wanko, Saturday, 15 December 2018 04:33 (six years ago)

"navigate expectations"

― groovemaaan, Sunday, 16 December 2018 10:12 (six years ago)

There is a complex science to avoiding letting anyone expect anything from you

― jmm, Sunday, 16 December 2018 14:36 (six years ago)

when ppl use modernity to mean modern aka contemporary times as opposed to its term of art use as a particular era in history idk this is prescriptivist but esp in intellectual or political contexts bugs me

― Mordy, Monday, 17 December 2018 20:59 (six years ago)

hmm

https://i.imgur.com/2KjMuOC.png

also lmao me literally clicking from a thread where someone used it (perfectly correctly imo) directly to this one. like... aren't you describing modernism?

― teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Monday, 17 December 2018 21:05 (six years ago)

i'm w Mordy on this one

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 December 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

'Whilst'

― estela (estela), Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:38 PM (thirteen years ago)

A terrible, terrible word unjustifiably enjoying a resurgence round here.

― calumerio, Monday, 17 December 2018 21:29 (six years ago)

*Whilst'd've

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 December 2018 21:31 (six years ago)

“within” as a substitute for “in” to fancy up pedestrian writing. “The solution was placed within a beaker for stirring,” et alia.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 17 December 2018 21:50 (six years ago)

it's been over two years since 2016-11-08 and I would like all organizations to cease saying "now more than ever"

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 21:29 (six years ago)

good call

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 21:52 (six years ago)

there’s never been a better time

― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 December 2018 03:50 (six years ago)

"Dispatches from ...."

― jmm, Thursday, 27 December 2018 04:37 (six years ago)

"L'affaire russe"

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 3 January 2019 14:40 (six years ago)

the reason i'm rooting against giant strides in human longevity is so i don't have to see the phrase "fin de siècle" again a hundred times a day in 80 years

― rip van wanko, Thursday, 3 January 2019 14:47 (six years ago)

I assumed "I get it" (in the dismissive way people use it nowadays--conceding a point so you can brush it away) would have turned up here, but no--there are three or four posters actually saying "I get it," but not like that. It doesn't annoy me all that much, but you do hear it way too often. Paul Reiser's character says it a couple of times in Season 2 of Stranger Things (set in the mid-'80s, if you don't know). They've got the timeline wrong there, no? I don't remember it being commonplace until 5-10 years ago. There was a movie cliché in place back then--"You just don't get it, do you?"--that may have even been the foundation for "I get it," but not, I don't think, "I get it" itself.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 04:17 (six years ago)

Really annoying guy who uses "I get it" constantly: Chris Cuomo.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 04:19 (six years ago)

"I get it" as in "I understand" or "Enough already"? feel like the latter has been around a lot longer than the decade

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 04:30 (six years ago)

It sort of splits the difference. It's in the tone--I'd have to provide audio.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 04:31 (six years ago)

“firebrand”

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:53 (six years ago)

"thank you for coming to my ted talk"

― marcos, Thursday, 10 January 2019 14:18 (six years ago)

yes

any reference to the bastardin things tbh

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 January 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

Whataboutism-- this concept seems too obscure to have gained the amount of usage-sans-explanation that it has

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 January 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

and like Gaslighting, it has come to mean "you are saying something I disagree with"

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 January 2019 15:57 (six years ago)

continually telling someone they're gaslighting you when they're not is the next level move

― ogmor, Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:05 (six years ago)

whataboutism is just tu quoque

― Mordy, Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:10 (six years ago)

What about whataboutery

― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:14 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUH4Kgmyk2Y

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:15 (six years ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/26/What_About_Bob_%281991%29.png/220px-What_About_Bob_%281991%29.png

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of Richard Dreyfuss

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:18 (six years ago)

and like Gaslighting, it has come to mean "you are saying something I disagree with"

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 January 2019 15:57 (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

everything means this post imma say 2012

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:26 (six years ago)

"say the quiet parts out loud" already over.

― Yerac, Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:29 (six years ago)

my problem with "gaslighting" is that it's meant to distinguish between "you disagree with me" and "you agree with me but are lying to trick me" which is essentially just an accusation of bad faith. i'm sure there are ppl who "gaslight" as a control +abuse mechanism but 99% of the time i've seen it used [online only] it's really "you are acting like your disagreement with me is in good faith but that's impossible so you must be trying to trick me," which is often fairly delusional and self-serving.

― Mordy, Thursday, 10 January 2019 16:33 (six years ago)

overton window yes yes we get it

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 09:20 (six years ago)

"let me be clear"

― dogs, Friday, 11 January 2019 12:11 (six years ago)

"rocked up"

― dogs, Friday, 11 January 2019 12:11 (six years ago)

"so she turned around to me and said..."

― dogs, Friday, 11 January 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

Got some more awfulness. Yesterday my students couldn't understand that starting sentences with "because" was fine.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2019 12:16 (six years ago)

Because they do not hope to learn again

― Berks & Cow (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 January 2019 12:29 (six years ago)

Wait Alfred you object to "very" as an intensifier? You are hard line.

― Tim, Friday, 11 January 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

You'd object to if "very" was stuffed into every sentence.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2019 13:02 (six years ago)

"so she turned around to me and said..."

― dogs, Friday, January 11, 2019 7:12 AM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idgi... the redundancy of "to me"?

― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 11 January 2019 13:06 (six years ago)

"step foot in" it's fucking SET foot fuiud

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 11 January 2019 13:14 (six years ago)

bc of Alfred I am more conscious of overusing intensifiers

― marcos, Friday, 11 January 2019 13:18 (six years ago)

im fierce aware of it now

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 13:28 (six years ago)

I’m still bad at it though

so
very
really
fucking
significantly
incredibly
too

I use often, sometimes in the same sentence

― marcos, Friday, 11 January 2019 13:32 (six years ago)

rather!

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2019 13:36 (six years ago)

I swear Bernie Sanders precedes every utterance with "let me be clear".
Let me be clear, honey, I am going to eat the fuck out of your pussy

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 11 January 2019 14:02 (six years ago)

I had a terrible, terrible boss a couple of years ago that I hated. During a one on one meeting where I just didn't want to talk to him anymore about work I brought up how he said "at the end of the day" and "let me ask you a question" so many times during a conversation that it was distracting. For the next six months he was incapable of saying 3 sentences in a row without taking longs pauses or making "ughs". It was so great.

― Yerac, Friday, 11 January 2019 14:25 (six years ago)

I've had multiple bosses that do stuff like this, it really wears you down after a while.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 January 2019 14:29 (six years ago)

You'd object to if "very" was stuffed into every sentence.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January

I'm not sure I would, but I am somewhat relaxed about these things.

― Tim, Friday, 11 January 2019 14:51 (six years ago)

"Let's link"

― flappy bird, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:38 (six years ago)

the ubiquitous use of "like".

mainly because i am horribly guilty of it myself and it sounds even worse coming from someone with my accent

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 January 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

You could repurpose that list as 'Pet Shop Boys albums, ranked!', Alfred.

― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:32 (six years ago)

Mark Twain famously claimed that every time he was tempted to write "very" he'd substitute "damned" in order to make certain the editor would remove it for him.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:35 (six years ago)

I have a few verbal crutches which I always wince at myself for using: "kind of," "really," "maybe," "I think."

I've also been told that I say "sorry" way too much, even by Canadian standards.

― jmm, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:39 (six years ago)

strunk+white call rather and very "leeches that infest the ponds of prose, sucking the blood of words" iirc

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:56 (six years ago)

Those clods are dead though

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:59 (six years ago)

"rather" is undead

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 11 January 2019 20:00 (six years ago)

li-cherally.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:01 (six years ago)

everything is a matter of personal style and deployment and offering anything here in the spirit of correction as opposed to an "i dont like this meself" is snobbery

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:05 (six years ago)

controversial position

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:07 (six years ago)

xp You are correct, sir. Even the most tired of cliches has valid uses in the hands of a good writer. But it is not the purpose of this thread to inveigh against writers whose skill surpasses the bounds beyond which normally lie annoyance.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:11 (six years ago)

let it never be said about me that I am not a snob

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:36 (six years ago)

xps alf m8 tisnt gold yere given a fella to work with yknow

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

Affirming a negative in a question - “Santa Claus isn’t real, right?”

― calstars, Saturday, 12 January 2019 00:58 (six years ago)

Full stop.

― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 January 2019 02:27 (six years ago)

^ both loathsome

I really can't stand when people do this? It's almost as if they don't have the confidence to state their opinions? It looks really precious and pathetic? I hate it?

― flappy bird, Saturday, 12 January 2019 03:23 (six years ago)

in light of the Tlaib controversy I kind of want to stake out a middle ground and say that, while I think there is nothing offensive about cursing in politics, I find it very corny. The use of "motherfucker" in political settings has the feel of the valedictorian trying to be "bad."

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 12 January 2019 06:54 (six years ago)

Politicians are all very corny, it has been observed elsewhere on this borad recently.

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 12 January 2019 09:00 (six years ago)

Like it's not that people like Tlaib are contributing to the degeneration of the society, it's that they are actually so NOT doing that that it sound ridiculous when they call the president "motherfucker."

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 12 January 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

the amount someone makes described as "cool"

"makes a cool $10 million a year"

why is it cool

i mean yes money is cool but

― suggest boban (Will M.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:20 (six years ago)

especially when it's like "brings home a cool $10 million a year"

― suggest boban (Will M.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:23 (six years ago)

it's a relic. money used to be metal. thus, "cold, hard cash", too.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:26 (six years ago)

i did a thing

― Mordy, Thursday, 17 January 2019 23:51 (six years ago)

^ 100%

― flappy bird, Friday, 18 January 2019 06:41 (six years ago)

"performative"

― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 06:42 (six years ago)

lol i can see that but if you live on the internet and have strong opinions on what everyone should be doing then.... you're going to hear a lot of that word

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 18 January 2019 08:50 (six years ago)

soupçon

― peace, man, Friday, 18 January 2019 12:35 (six years ago)

skosh is better than soupçon

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 18 January 2019 16:46 (six years ago)

bombshell allegations

― joygoat, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:32 (six years ago)

Probably not the right thread for this but it seems no one is able to tell 'defuse' apart from' diffuse' anymore, including The Graun: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/21/native-american-mocked-by-students-i-saw-my-country-being-torn-apart

― pomenitul, Monday, 21 January 2019 10:11 (six years ago)

"Fulsome", when people use it as an intensified version of "full". What is frustrating is that there is no effective substitute to what people think "fulsome" means but it does not. "Comprehensive"? idk

― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 21 January 2019 15:25 (six years ago)

xp unless it has since been corrected that appears to be correct use of “defuse,” no?

― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 21 January 2019 16:51 (six years ago)

It has indeed been corrected.

― pomenitul, Monday, 21 January 2019 16:53 (six years ago)

Guardian keeping close tabs on thread

― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 21 January 2019 16:59 (six years ago)

As it should be.

― pomenitul, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

The situation probably was more diffused than defused.

― jmm, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:05 (six years ago)

chud kids
chud kids
chud
kids

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:28 (six years ago)

"work" as aggrandisement of stuff you wanted to do that nobody asked you to do

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:35 (six years ago)

lmao otm

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:36 (six years ago)

I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:36 (six years ago)

lol j/k thats not tru <3

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:37 (six years ago)

I haven’t said that since i was an undergrad!!

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:38 (six years ago)

hmm that means yr still on probation in my book tbh

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:40 (six years ago)

Ratioed

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 14:34 (six years ago)

"... said no one, ever"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 14:46 (six years ago)

thousandths

― gray say nah to me (wins), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 16:35 (six years ago)

*chef kiss* and *checks notes*

― ultros ultros-ghali, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 16:50 (six years ago)

i'm *checks notes* still on board with "*checks notes*"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:50 (six years ago)

"Let's link"

No

What does that even mean? English isn't my first language. Never heard that phrase before.

― nathom, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 22:05 (six years ago)

i have usually heard "link up" which is also horrible

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 23:15 (six years ago)

it means "meet at some future date"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 23:17 (six years ago)

yeah, let's meet, let's exchange numbers, let's become friends. I thought I was posting that one into the void because this is the first time anyone has shared my dislike of "Let's link"

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 23:20 (six years ago)

yeah, let's meet, let's exchange numbers, let's become friends. I thought I was posting that one into the void because this is the first time anyone has shared my dislike of "Let's link"

Good god dislike doesn't do it justice. It shld be illegal.

― nathom, Thursday, 31 January 2019 08:24 (six years ago)

"Famously", as used by journalists when describing something not at all well-known, in which case it's condescending; or when describing something very well-known, in which case it's a get-out for the writer's laziness. In either case it's redundant.

― fetter, Thursday, 31 January 2019 09:34 (six years ago)

i still like and use chefs kiss bc it still makes me think of a cartoon chef and thats still funny to me

― suggest boban (Will M.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:25 (six years ago)

Using "reboot" rather than "new adaptation of the original source." Dune isn't being "rebooted" any more than your local theater's staging of A Midsummer Night's Dream is rebooting Shakespeare.

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

_yeah, let's meet, let's exchange numbers, let's become friends. I thought I was posting that one into the void because this is the first time anyone has shared my dislike of "Let's link"_

Good god dislike doesn't do it justice. It shld be illegal.

THANK YOU

― flappy bird, Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:54 (six years ago)

"having a moment"

― calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:55 (six years ago)

Every time I see 'booming' the Vengaboys take over.

― pomenitul, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:50 (six years ago)

clapback

when i read use of it in news articles it just feels like how do you do, fellow kids

― meaulnes, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

"Colorway" which afaict exists only because "color scheme" is not cool enough for hypebeasts?

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:23 (six years ago)

clapback

when i read use of it in news articles it just feels like how do you do, fellow kids

― meaulnes, Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:59 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

clapback is especially egregious, not least because of the literal meaning

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:25 (six years ago)

People who preface their “signal boosting” posts with phrases like “Tell us again how...” — like who are you arguing with, and “us”?

― Manitobiloba (Kim), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

surely someone's mentioned "sliding into DM's" which was okay at first, now they're saying it on CNN etc, time for it to die

― calumy (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 18:30 (six years ago)

omg i could not agree more with that ^^ it's repulsive-sounding, for starters
so many things wrong with that phrase unless it is exclusively being used to describe a precise type of unwelcome attention grasped for via personal message
if it's being used to indicate "wrote me a message" it needs to die

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:31 (six years ago)

“Shade”

Pretty much every black and or gay slang bit that goes through the twitter xerox machine five times before an extremely grainy version of it gets passed around by político-dorks.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 00:28 (six years ago)

I guess I am even more just frustrated by the internet’s impotent glee at a congressperson clapping at the President.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 00:29 (six years ago)

"cancelled"

fuck off

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 February 2019 00:30 (six years ago)

smh deems cancelling u rn

― Norm’s Superego (silby), Thursday, 7 February 2019 00:32 (six years ago)

ill be picked up on cable like *that*

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 February 2019 00:44 (six years ago)

I recently dreamt I entered a physical manifestation of this thread (i.e. a circle of people talking) and noted how I hate when people will say “a little bit of” to mean they have a pretty good amount of it: e.g. “I’ve made a little bit of money this year.” “Yeah, I have a little bit of experience with that.”

This never really bothered me until I dreamt about it, now I can’t get past it.

― ed.b, Thursday, 7 February 2019 01:19 (six years ago)

another understatement that bugs me is "it's been a minute!" etc. don't know why but i HATE it

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 February 2019 08:34 (six years ago)

It’s kind of fake-Southern?

― suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 09:34 (six years ago)

I didn't post it to this thread, but I have given in and started using 'puppers' to refer to my dogs. Someone I know and respect used it about a month ago and inside I was so mad at her. Then, this morning it just slipped out while I was putting the dog food down and I guess now I'm over my hatred.
Upthread Phil D mentions 'doggo' which I will remain steadfastly against.
― how's life, Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:03 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sigh, I lost this battle too.

― peace, man, Thursday, 7 February 2019 14:07 (six years ago)

Nothing that the phrase "let that sink in" is used in conjunction with ever actually requires much time to "sink in."

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:08 (six years ago)

armchair twitter generals speculating about politics and/or tech and talking about what "the play" should be

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:39 (six years ago)

This never really bothered me until I dreamt about it, now I can’t get past it.

― ed.b, Wednesday, February 6, 2019 5:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never go to scotland

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:42 (six years ago)

I’ve heard this word twice in three days that I swear I’ve never encountered before, once from a policy guy for AOC on Tucker Carlson’s show and second on an NBA podcast.

Optionality

Seriously, W. T. F.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:11 (six years ago)

"Time is a flat circle" might've been funny the first time I heard it but ever since then it has been a scourge. and aren't all circles flat?

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 06:12 (six years ago)

Anyone using autistic to just say they're slightly anal about things. Ffs stop it.

― nathom, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 07:21 (six years ago)

Related to that: 'we're all a bit on the spectrum, aren't we lol?'

― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 10:39 (six years ago)

OCD and "Aspy" being casually thrown out, also rageworthy

People seem to have eased up on using schizophrenic or bipolar to mean labile, two-sided, or conflicted, though

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 11:08 (six years ago)

Oh god yes. My kid was pissed when some classmate said:"I'm depressed bec we're having a test on Latin tomorrow." Otm

― nathom, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 07:44 (six years ago)

A trend, not a word/phrase/usage: once a day, the all-news radio station here reports a story (sometime sports or entertainment, but regular news, too) in terms of what people are saying on Twitter. Is this a temporary thing, or is this kind of idiocy here to stay?

― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 17:22 (six years ago)

That’s been a thing here for ages, we have a thread about guardian stories that say “twitter user @angry_whovian called it a ‘bloody disgrace’” or whatever and it’s probably about 5 years old

xp I’m in total agreement re “I’m so ocd/add/autistic about x” but I totally think you should be able to say you are depressed or anxious without actually having clinical depression or an anxiety disorder

― gray say nah to me (wins), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

related: people who don't understand that obsessions and compulsions are separate things

― kinder, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 17:48 (six years ago)

Is this a temporary thing, or is this kind of idiocy here to stay?

This is rooted in the desperation of the print and broadcast news media to be seen as relevant in the internet age. I'd say that, although idiocy is a permanent part of human society, this particular manifestation will be temporary, just because almost everything is temporary.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:26 (six years ago)

"Have a good one" = I do not care enough about you to actively recollect what time of day it is, bye
― mick signals, Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:07 PM (seven months ago)

Have realized that this is useful ending phone conversations when you have no idea what time zone the other party is in. Possibly also no interest.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:40 (six years ago)

this phenomenon is how the phrase "took to twitter" doubles the length of pointless news articles

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:58 (six years ago)

(xp to clemenza's twitter post)

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:59 (six years ago)

Takin' it to the Tweets

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:00 (six years ago)

can we add casual "i've got ptsd lol" comments to the list

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:02 (six years ago)

i kind of like "have a good one" for some reason. it sounds vaguely friendly in an inoffensive and like brotherly way to me? i don't have any brothers so idk where i am getting that.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:05 (six years ago)

related: people who don't understand that obsessions and compulsions are separate things

― kinder, Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:48 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

having some deep thoughts right now related to this one. good point!

― mh, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:11 (six years ago)

i say have a good one. it's nondenominational.

― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:18 (six years ago)

who am i to know what time of day it is where you are, yk?

― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:22 (six years ago)

news radio stations quoting twitter is just a way for them to voice reactionary sentiments that are otherwise difficult to pound into a news-like shape.

― Dan I., Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:38 (six years ago)

can we add casual "i've got ptsd lol" comments to the list

Omg never heard this. I'd turn into linda blair if someone uttered this

― nathom, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:41 (six years ago)

xp I’m in total agreement re “I’m so ocd/add/autistic about x” but I totally think you should be able to say you are depressed or anxious without actually having clinical depression or an anxiety disorder

Well, it does sound different in our language (dutch/flemish). Or maybe because my kid had a depression, she's more sensitive to its usage. Personally I don't get angered by it so much.

My colleague used autistic today. Lol.

― nathom, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:45 (six years ago)

when "have a good'un" was surpassed by "have a blessed day", that was the day Donald Trump became president

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:11 (six years ago)

Kid I said "see ya" to last night said "yeah have a good day..er night!". And therefore, per societal rules, he is a moron to me. Could've avoided his fate if he was a "have a good one" person.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:28 (six years ago)

now I'm thinking of some frat dude with a pukka shell necklace and a tie-die shirt using "one" as a generic greeting

I have no idea if this still happens but it was definitely a thing

― mh, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:29 (six years ago)

i kind of like "have a good one" for some reason. it sounds vaguely friendly in an inoffensive and like brotherly way to me? i don't have any brothers so idk where i am getting that.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:05 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel the same way -- it has a universal quality to it and I use it a lot. So does "have a nice day" I guess, but that sounds less friendly somehow and is more tainted by its association with the smiley face. Maybe the fact that "have a good one" is not a phrase you'd get from a customer service rep makes it feel more personal, but not overly familiar.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:36 (six years ago)

yes
it's close but not too close
"have a nice day" is meaningless -- "have a good one" = maybe this person has a shred of care about my wellbeing

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:39 (six years ago)

(even though they probably don't actually care -- it gives the impression of caring just a little, which is the right amount usually)

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:41 (six years ago)

I am getting a lot of milage out of "take care" lately

― Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:42 (six years ago)

that's usually my signoff of choice because i do want people to take care. i sometimes say "take care of yourself" because that is important

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

likewise, I genuinely would like to smell some people at a later date

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

"take care" is nice, I've been using it lately too

― jmm, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:53 (six years ago)

I never really say "take care" but a guy was outside in the cold with his kid the other night and was asking people walking by if they had a few bucks so he could get his kid a sandwich and I gave him some money and said that. A moment later, I realized I really meant it. That's a bad situation to be in.

― mh, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:56 (six years ago)

I still remember 1st time I ever used "take care": at the end of last game of Little League season, to a teammate. I'd heard my parents say it to their friends/family. It sounded odd coming out of my mouth. Felt like I had my 1st adult sign-off.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:58 (six years ago)

When I moved from the Midwest (where nobody said ‘take care’) to NYC (where everyone says it) I kinda felt menace in it, as in ‘that’s a nice life ya got there, too bad if anything should happen to it’.

― suzy, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:15 (six years ago)

it's catching on in the midwest now

but it's been a few years

― mh, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:24 (six years ago)

semi relatedly, has anyone ever used, or heard used (in the wild), any variation on "a cold one" in reference to beer? I feel like I have only ever heard this in commercials or movies ("I could go for a nice cold one right now.")

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:29 (six years ago)

i hear it but it's always with some irony, cf "barley pop" or "brewski" etc

― calumy (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:36 (six years ago)

Hand me the hot one

― calumy (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:37 (six years ago)

I will invite friends to meet me for a cold one when it seems like an added touch of salesmanship is called for.

Maybe the fact that "have a good one" is not a phrase you'd get from a customer service rep

My original annoyance with this was because I ONLY hear it from customer service reps, and only robotically. If someone I even slightly know said it to my face, I can see how it would sound pleasantly colloquial rather than like a line from an employee training binder.

It also always sounds to me like a laxative ad slogan.

― mick signals, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:18 (six years ago)

I have never heard that from a customer service/help desk person! Usually they have a relatively strict script and it ends up being something like “mr. mh thank you and have a good rest of your day”

― mh, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:35 (six years ago)

When I worked in tech support (phone-based) we were banned from saying "no problem" in response to customers thanking us because management asserted that some customers calling from outside of Texas would not understand what we meant.

"have a good one" makes me think of this from Blade Runner:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4c5dfecd-190c-4849-84c8-1f78e26b0be8

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:39 (six years ago)

any book title involving food, eating, love or the bodily organs associated with such, e. fucking g.:

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1387733384l/1439038.jpg

also any review or blurb that refers to an artist as 'one of our' anything

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 03:32 (six years ago)

NOURISHING

the

SPLEEN

By Mooki E. Proof

Back cover blurb: "Mooki E. Proof is one of our most trenchant commentators on the contemporary scene." - Reynolds Price

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 04:40 (six years ago)

not so much a specific phrase as this entire style. only picking these because they were back-to-back in my timeline:

Every single day of my life I think about the severe German yoga teacher who once looked at my pose up and down and said “fascinating” before correcting me
— Gabriella Paiella (@GMPaiella) March 2, 2019

This is the worst thing I have ever read. https://t.co/L7GkI4KSBr
— Eliza Skinner (@elizaskinner) March 2, 2019

can't stop thinking about this

― Karl Malone, Saturday, 2 March 2019 22:40 (six years ago)

yeah I know what you mean and it's extremely irritating

― flappy bird, Sunday, 3 March 2019 05:25 (six years ago)

Nearly every time I look at Twitter I get the urge to post itt. I'm not sure if these terms are industry parlance or if Jane Espenson made them up for her blog I used to read a decade ago, but it always makes me think of what she called clams and clamshells. Twitter is rife with clams, but worse is how it's like a machine for turning clamshells into clams.

A clam is a joke or a line that has gone stale by being reused too many times. Something like "I just threw up in my mouth a little bit" might have been vivid and funny once but becomes repellent the more you hear it. Clamshells, otoh, theoretically have a longer shelf life because they're a joke form within which the content can change and stay fresh. But on twitter set-ups like *checks notes* get adopted and repeated so rapidly (and used so poorly) they almost instantly become clams themselves.

― rob, Sunday, 3 March 2019 15:46 (six years ago)

Yeah totally, a lot of the examples in this ~~entirely bad~~ thread aren’t intrinsically bad so much as they’re overused by people who are bad at them; tbh your restraint is appreciated rob as there are many people itt who follow that urge to post here every time they look at twitter

― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Sunday, 3 March 2019 15:55 (six years ago)

lol I admit complaining about twitter itt is like alerting people to the fact the garbage dump smells bad

― rob, Sunday, 3 March 2019 16:01 (six years ago)

"canceling" w/r/t a human being

― heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 7 March 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

Sometimes I want to make a quick joke in a post but then think it's likely been made hundreds of times already on twitter.

― Yerac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

xp yeah I feel like it's cresting rn tho, will be gone soon enough

― flappy bird, Thursday, 7 March 2019 18:58 (six years ago)

I don't really even care about its currency or overuse, it's just needlessly callous

― heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:52 (six years ago)

like so much else on this thread, its not the phrase/term its everyfuckingone buzz buzz buzzing it all at once now all of a sudden but

overton window

― god knows i want to fp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:15 (six years ago)

atherton wicket

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

I may be the mayor of Overton

― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:29 (six years ago)

“late capitalism” is overused

― marcos, Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:29 (six years ago)

I hate hate hate that I have adopted irl the phrase "hill to die on" and plan to stop

I guess some of these irk more than others. Really happy "dumpster fire" and "stinkin'" (as in "so stinkin' cute") seem to have fallen out of fashion. Also people on social media demanding I let things sink in.

when do these things come back around and become ironic? Because I can't wait to tell someone born in 2010 to talk to the hand

― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:41 (six years ago)

^ scheming

― god knows i want to fp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:44 (six years ago)

total self-own here but i keep using the word "inexorable" recently and it sounds really pretentious but it's just such a perfect word to describe some things

― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:44 (six years ago)

also was it this thread where we were discussing calling an amount of money "cool" or was that just a conversation i had in my head? there are very few of these phrases that actually annoy me because words is words but "made a cool million dollars this year" drives me up the wall. it seems like every blog that has to describe a salary or a windfall or whatever uses "cool" and it's like, but, you know you could have just not written that word right? it serves no function?

― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:45 (six years ago)

"beautiful / wonderful / awesome human" instead of "person" makes me twitch every time.

― macropuente (map), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:53 (six years ago)

“awesome” makes me twitch regardless because it’s vastly overused

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 March 2019 20:08 (six years ago)

there are very few of these phrases that actually annoy me because words is words but "made a cool million dollars this year" drives me up the wall.

one of the harry potter books (the biggest one?) has all the characters saying things “coolly” about 600 times

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 March 2019 20:10 (six years ago)

Haha, someone ran a count. 59 times across all the novels.

https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/66dz7t/i_looked_at_the_frequency_of_word_pairs/dgi5qfg/

― jmm, Friday, 8 March 2019 20:17 (six years ago)

jeez

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 March 2019 20:17 (six years ago)

coolly high hermione

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 March 2019 20:21 (six years ago)

✓

― mookieproof, Friday, 8 March 2019 20:41 (six years ago)

lol

― Dan I., Friday, 8 March 2019 21:10 (six years ago)

i'm reading these fucking books with my kids and there is no way [redacted] NO WAY

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 March 2019 00:38 (six years ago)

ah fuck i’m not up to that bit yet

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 March 2019 01:06 (six years ago)

lol sorry it might just be a fake-out i dunno. i will get a mod to remove in case it's real??

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 March 2019 01:14 (six years ago)

Tracer's reading slash to his kids

― steven, soda jerk (sic), Saturday, 9 March 2019 01:34 (six years ago)

I was wondering why my copy was just a sheaf of papers printed out in a dot matrix monotype font

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 March 2019 01:36 (six years ago)

fucking “pooch”, fuck that word to hell, it makes me gag

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 9 March 2019 03:11 (six years ago)

pooch out

― ~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 March 2019 09:41 (six years ago)

*snigger*

― The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 March 2019 11:15 (six years ago)

Companion for my recent whining about "deep cuts": "deep dive." "Detailed," "thorough," "exhaustive," these are perfectly descriptive words. I may throw it when I write my last set of report cards, though: "Johnny took a deep dive into pulleys and gears for his science project, and I haven't seen him since."

― clemenza, Sunday, 10 March 2019 21:23 (six years ago)

"Deeply" has been pretty bad for a while, as in "Deeply disturbing." Agree with all the above, clemenza. "Deep cut" is a little different, since it's been around for a while, whereas "Deep dive" seems invented out of whole cloth all of a sudden. but I had to catch myself from referring to an obscure movie as a "Billy Wilder deep cut" the other day. going on about Stereolab or whoever "deep cuts" isn't noxious to me.

― flappy bird, Monday, 11 March 2019 17:12 (six years ago)

I had to catch myself from referring to an obscure movie as a "Billy Wilder deep cut"

what did you say instead?

― mark s, Monday, 11 March 2019 18:30 (six years ago)

I'm going to just start referring to things as "lesser-discussed works"

― mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 18:38 (six years ago)

Still better than 'neglectorinos'.

― pomenitul, Monday, 11 March 2019 18:43 (six years ago)

haha I think "an obscure Billy Wilder movie"

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 01:33 (six years ago)

Watched a Wilder I'd never heard of last night; looked it up later & found it had four Oscar noms.

― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 01:54 (six years ago)

The Fortune Cookie?

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 05:09 (six years ago)

yah

― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 08:30 (six years ago)

Judging from its appearance several times recently on ILX, "at this point in time" seems to be making a comeback. It shouldn't. It's just a pompous way of say "now" or "at present". Ditto for substituting "at that point in time" for a simple "then". These abominations gained a foothold in the public psyche during the Watergate hearings, when members of the Nixon administration used them constantly during their testimony.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:04 (six years ago)

My dad always used to blow his top when he heard "at this moment in time".

― Alba, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 21:52 (six years ago)

mine would for 'rate of speed'

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 21:59 (six years ago)

That’s me and ‘as yet’.

― suzy, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 22:17 (six years ago)

“At this point in time” is the kind of dumb bullshit cops say

― Dan I., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 01:47 (six years ago)

"the individual exited the vehicle..."

― heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:41 (six years ago)

as of the present point in time

― j., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:46 (six years ago)

came across "at a more rapid rate" in print today

― mick signals, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:51 (six years ago)

in most cases you don't need "then" or soon" in sentences or, fuck, "going forward." The verb tense indicates when the action takes place.

― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:56 (six years ago)

fuck a “going forward”

― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:59 (six years ago)

Much of this stuff consists of the bad or sloppy habits we pick up from the various influences that always float around us, but even if these constructions are technically forgivable, the basic message should be "Resist!"

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 03:03 (six years ago)

at work, I usually write every email by writing what comes into my head, spending a second draft revising and usually overcompensating by bloating up the thing, then pausing, re-reading it, and stripping every fucking unnecessary word, phrase or modifier out of the thing , and it usually shrinks by 33%.

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 03:24 (six years ago)

two weeks pass...

“I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree”
WHAT ?

― calstars, Friday, 29 March 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

lol

― flappy bird, Friday, 29 March 2019 16:56 (six years ago)

Biopic doesn't rhyme with myopic, ppl.

It's "BUY oh PICK." Just like if you said "bio" and then "pic" right afterwards.

Not "by YOP ick".

Please.

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:00 (six years ago)

This has been well-covered

― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

also it's funny to say it wrong

― mark s, Friday, 29 March 2019 18:07 (six years ago)

Increasingly bugged by people increasingly prefacing all requests and demands with "I need you to" or (a million times worse) "I'm gonna need you to"

― mick signals, Friday, 29 March 2019 18:16 (six years ago)

IS there a way to issue commands like this that doesn't rankle tho?

the very worst is obviously "how busy are you right now?"

but there's a whole spectrum of badness.. "if you could (x) that would be graaaaaaate"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:22 (six years ago)

Good old "Can you clean the bathrooms before you leave today?" or "Please clean the bathrooms before you leave today" do not rankle. "Make sure to" is okay. "It's your day to clean the bathrooms." "The bathrooms need cleaning; do it before you leave."

Directness is a virtue.

― mick signals, Friday, 29 March 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

"If you get a chance, can yo wipe the toilet clean with your tongue? Only if you can. Thanks!!! xoxo"

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:36 (six years ago)

Directness is a virtue.
otm, viva plain language for most immediate communicative purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_language

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:45 (six years ago)

my mom is a proponent of 'how would you like to _________?'

i, of course, would prefer not to

― mookieproof, Friday, 29 March 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

my partner and her sister especially ask "Are you going to ____?" when they'd like me to do something and I try not to be deliberately dense but like, I don't know the future!

― moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:53 (six years ago)

these requests are couched in politenesses because it beats getting their heads bitten off for asking directly
still, usually the "politeness" is excessive and unneeded, reading to the receiver as passive aggressive
it's a tactic that is not particularly effective in doing what it sets out to do if it lands the speaker in here :(

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:57 (six years ago)

If the task is clearly not one of my many recognized responsibilities, my wife usually opens with "would you do me a favor?" to which my standard reply is "it depends on what it is". Occasionally she'll substitute, "can I ask you to do me a favor?", to which my standard reply is "of course you can ask, but I'm not sure if I'll do it". I now accept this little dance as standard operating procedure and it doesn't irk me as much as it used to.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:10 (six years ago)

mick's bathrooms example suggests they are thinking of a professional situation tho, where yr boss in fact expects automatic compliance w these sorts of requests but chooses instead to phrase them as if you are a pair of yeoman farmers moved only by their own wills, and whether it's to assuage some personal discomfort of their own or to chip in on the maintenance of a superstructure it is annoying.

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:14 (six years ago)

wait no i was conflating mookieproof's mom w mick's bathroom owner. rly what i want to complain about is "do you want to".

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:16 (six years ago)

I was indeed thinking of professional bathrooms, where the boss-peon power dynamic makes any indirectness sound passive-aggressive, as LL said.

In personal relationships, there's more leeway in phraseology. If my spouse said to me, "I'm going to need you to not leave your shoes on the kitchen counter," the formal tone would sound hostile, while "Do those need to be there?" is fine.

Depends I guess on whether you fundamentally like or hate each other.

― mick signals, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:27 (six years ago)

"Agree to disagree" is fine to my ears, it means "mutually accept for the moment that we disagree, rather than continuing to debate and to fail to sway each other from our opposed positions"

― mick signals, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:29 (six years ago)

I consider "agree to disagree" to mean "agree that this is getting us nowhere, so let's stop", except it is shorter and easier to say.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:33 (six years ago)

I don’t know when I hear this it’s less “we’ve reached an impasse” and more “I am unilaterally ending this rather than concede your point.”

There a great Curb where Larry refuses to agree to disagree.

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:39 (six years ago)

Usually in an agree to disagree moment, the person who suggests it is trying to assert power over the other person.

― suzy, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:42 (six years ago)

― mick signals, Friday, March 29, 2019 12:27 PM (seventeen minutes ago)

there's gender dynamics in play but I respond much better to orders than hints

― moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:45 (six years ago)

like "Do those need to be there?" I don't know the answer to that question.

― moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:46 (six years ago)

this is a boring thing to say but probably when it comes to requests different ppl respond to differently to different approaches maybe

― mark s, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:48 (six years ago)

we shd call this "winsing the thread"

― mark s, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:49 (six years ago)

best if we all check in w each other

― moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:49 (six years ago)

Silby dear, let's just talk about this at home

― mick signals, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:56 (six years ago)

we shd call this "winsing the thread"

I don’t know what this word, usage or phrase means tbh

But if it’s a bad thing to do to a thread then this thread deserves to be winsed obv

― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Friday, 29 March 2019 20:05 (six years ago)

there's a poorly formed example in the post immediately preceding

― mark s, Friday, 29 March 2019 20:20 (six years ago)

Is it a recent trend to blurb or review a book by calling it "wise"? Have people always done this? Really annoying, usually at the end of a list of compliments like "this was heartwarming, funny, down to earth and wise".

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 13:12 (six years ago)

probably not that recent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom

― mark s, Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:05 (six years ago)

"you deserve better"

― groovemaaan, Monday, 1 April 2019 09:10 (six years ago)

You deserve better than 'you deserve better'.

― pomenitul, Monday, 1 April 2019 09:19 (six years ago)

"funds" instead of "money" (eg "please send funds for my upcoming book project")

― groovemaaan, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 11:22 (six years ago)

Prefer dosh.

― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 11:23 (six years ago)

Lettuce

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:07 (six years ago)

Filthy lucre

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

Lorne Greene

― Boles to the Wolds (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

spondoolies

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:12 (six years ago)

this was the response to a recent work request: "this will be efforted"

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:14 (six years ago)

gross

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:19 (six years ago)

here's one i've heard around the office a few times: "i just ran out of time"

oh you mean you never got around to it. gotcha

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:19 (six years ago)

"this will be efforted"

Like "have a good one," calls to mind literal defecation

― mick signals, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

whoops here comes another efforting

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:58 (six years ago)

/Directness is a virtue./
otm, viva plain language for most immediate communicative purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_language🕸

Agree 100% but that wiki entry needs some plain language subediting ("Plain language strives to be easy to read, understand, and use.")

― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Thursday, 11 April 2019 06:25 (six years ago)

How come you have to strive if it’s easy to use?

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 11 April 2019 09:06 (six years ago)

tippy toes

― meaulnes, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:40 (six years ago)

More silly than annoying...The sports call-in was handicapping the Raptors-Magic series. One guy kept bringing up Orlando's "length"--must have said it three or four times. I'm only a casual basketball fan, but does this mean they have a deep bench (i.e., good players lined up down the bench)? Or does it mean they're a tall team? Depth and height are good words. They're quite enough.

I'm going to back away from any other possible meanings.

― clemenza, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:56 (six years ago)

In the context of professional basketball, "length" refers to whether a player has longer arms than would be average for a person of their height. A common way to phrase this desirable abnormality would be to say, for example, that a 6' 10" player has the "wingspan" of someone 7' 2".

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:18 (six years ago)

agreed but i personally hate referencing forwards/centers as 'bigs' even more

― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:20 (six years ago)

had a date this weekend and was asked "oh, so you like sportsball then?"

and put a foot out the door : /

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 03:16 (six years ago)

I compiled these commandments for student writing, negotiable if they write sentences pleasurable in themselves and/or they prove their arguments.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:08 (six years ago)

Like "have a good one," calls to mind literal defecation

― mick signals, Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:43 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I once worked with a guy who loathed this expression. I found this baffling because it seemed to me like such an inoffensive thing for a person to say. But now think I get it.

― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 27 April 2019 14:22 (six years ago)

this doesn't really annoy me -- the noun is too weird a concept to normalise really -- but i just encountered "veritable cornucopia" in a manuscript i'm editing and it did make me myles-na-gCopaleen at it a bit

what nature does the cornucopia always share with la scission dans l'internationale (situationniste understood)

both are VERITABLE

― mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

What other generous quantity is veritable?
The plethora.

― mick signals, Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:21 (six years ago)

smorgasbord

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:27 (six years ago)

feasts too

strunk and white advises that the editor substitute "motherfucking"

― mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:35 (six years ago)

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

as someone whose mood on any given day is almost entirely defecation-dependent "have a good one"'s applicability on this front is only one more argument in favor of its high seriousness

― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5K2m8-XoAAYhX7.jpg

― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:42 (six years ago)

brb designing a metal teapot at the cum commune

― mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:48 (six years ago)

the ultimate chaos didn't cum from the jizz flying everywhere in the trenches, it was having to gtfo nazi germany sharpish for most of 'em!

― calzino, Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:55 (six years ago)

The New Yorker coining this phrase makes it ten times better.

― jmm, Sunday, 28 April 2019 12:35 (six years ago)

"daddy?"

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 April 2019 12:49 (six years ago)

I compiled these commandments

I clicked and did a double take about Charles Boyer turning into Juliette Binoche.

― Theory of Every Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 April 2019 13:50 (six years ago)

Anyway, now that I've read then: well done.

― Theory of Every Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 April 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

KINDERGARTEN CUM COMMUNE

seriously

― rip van wanko, Sunday, 28 April 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

oh you mean you never got around to it. gotcha

tracer hand is a cop

― j., Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:04 (six years ago)

What age are your students, Alfred? I'm going to use some of those with my Y11s (15/16 yr olds). Cheers.

― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:07 (six years ago)

Thank you! From eighteen to sixty-five.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:11 (six years ago)

Charles Boyer turning into Juliette Binoche.

My memoir title.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:12 (six years ago)

Lol

― Theory of Every Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

Using the Latin cum (pronounced "koom"), rather than the English "with", is an affectation, but not the worst affectation around. When spoken, it is easy to detect. When written it should be italicized to emphasize that it is Latin.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:03 (six years ago)

even italicization seems a bit affected when the meaning is apparent. am I wrong? isn't it commonplace now to just type out Latin phrases normally, or at least the more common ones?

but even when cum doesn't mean splooge, it really shouldn't follow the word kindergarten. especially not when the next word is a noun that can be modified by this pairing to make a really lulzy phrase like that

― rip van wanko, Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

It could have been solved by putting dashes to indicate that it is a three-word phrase, like garage-cum-workshop.

Or heck, both dashes and italics. But that wouldn't have kept me (or you lot) from snickering.

― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorlton-cum-Hardy

... the Bee Gees spent a large part of their childhoods there.

― Freddie Starr (Hitler in shorts) (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:49 (six years ago)

... not to mention Chorlton & the Wheelies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo6C_CebBqc

― Freddie Starr (Hitler in shorts) (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:52 (six years ago)

the cum wheelies, call them by their name

― mark s, Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:56 (six years ago)

also: in latin it certainly means "with", but in english (as for example in that new yorker tweet) it doesn't mean "with", it's something more like "a cross between" -- hence it *isn't* latin and is only being put in italics to indicate it doesn't mean jizz (which of course draws even more attention to this meaning it doesn't have but can't shake off)

(lol shake off)

― mark s, Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:59 (six years ago)

RIP chorlton on medlock

― ogmor, Monday, 29 April 2019 08:09 (six years ago)

Getting increasingly pissed off with "gifted", which no-one (apart perhaps from lawyers) used in the UK until about five years ago, as I recall. We were all perfectly happy with "given" and "gave" back then. I heard a radio DJ announce at the weekend that Bowie had "gifted" All The Young Dudes to Mott the Hoople, which is almost certainly not the case.

― fetter, Monday, 29 April 2019 12:01 (six years ago)

i saw 'mouse' used as a verb earlier today.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/04/20-years-ago-microsoft-changed-how-we-mouse-forever/

i mouse
you mouse
we mouse

― koogs, Monday, 29 April 2019 12:03 (six years ago)

"mouse over" has been computer-speak for "hover" for more than 20 years!

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:11 (six years ago)

I have never heard that before.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:11 (six years ago)

there's a JavaScript "event" called "onmouseover" which means "when the user puts their arrow over this bit"

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:23 (six years ago)

i will admit this is pretty niche

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:23 (six years ago)

gift as a verb goes back to at least to milton, mouse as a verb is as old as cats

nouns becoming verbs has been an utterly absolutely basic process in (and strength of) english since the elizabethans at least tbh, if it genuinely distresses you go learn some other weedier language with declensions or equivalent nonsense

― mark s, Monday, 29 April 2019 12:36 (six years ago)

calvin is correct, hobbes is wrong

― mark s, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:49 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― mark s, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:02 (six years ago)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mouse#Verb . 1988 for computer mousing (mouse-over is, i think different, and more common). but there are 4 other definitions there i'd never heard of (a mouser, i guess is a thing that cats can be)

― koogs, Monday, 29 April 2019 16:14 (six years ago)

"Please and thank you" is a trash way to ask for things

― p.j.b. (pj), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:29 (six years ago)

calvin is correct, hobbes is wrong

― mark s, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:49 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES

― milkshake chuk (wins), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:34 (six years ago)

one that drives me nuts in my office is "sunset", as in "we'll be sunsetting this program over the next few months"

― One Eye Open, Monday, 29 April 2019 16:42 (six years ago)

It drives me nuts when people abbreviate ‘thanks’ (an abbreviation itself) to ‘thx’.

― suzy, Monday, 29 April 2019 16:50 (six years ago)

sry

― After Cease to Brexist (Noodle Vague), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:51 (six years ago)

THANKING YOU

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 April 2019 17:18 (six years ago)

'thx' is better than being gushed upon

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 29 April 2019 17:21 (six years ago)

hey we've all got our own kinks

― After Cease to Brexist (Noodle Vague), Monday, 29 April 2019 17:23 (six years ago)

It drives me nuts when people abbreviate ‘thanks’ (an abbreviation itself) to ‘thx’

okay "suzy"

― difficult listening hour, Monday, 29 April 2019 17:26 (six years ago)

Ta.

― Freddie Starr (Hitler in shorts) (Tom D.), Monday, 29 April 2019 17:27 (six years ago)

Can we at least agree that ‘thanx’ is a bit infra dig?

― suzy, Monday, 29 April 2019 17:33 (six years ago)

I can see how 'thankyou' could be used as a noun - as in 'he'd been given so many thankyous it was starting to get embarrassing'. Clumsy (and ugly), but has a grammatical logic.

― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 29 April 2019 18:22 (six years ago)

one that drives me nuts in my office is "sunset", as in "we'll be sunsetting this program over the next few months"

― One Eye Open, Monday, April 29, 2019 12:42 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg change jobs now even if it's taco bell for a season just GET OUUUTTT imo

― rip van wanko, Monday, 29 April 2019 18:25 (six years ago)

That 'thankyou' was supposed to be on the 70s album thread! Duh.

― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 29 April 2019 19:50 (six years ago)

4 lettin me be mice elf

― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 April 2019 23:48 (six years ago)

This recent adoption of "extra" as something of an abbreviation for extravagant.

"They had alpacas as ring bearers, it was so extra!"

― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 10:14 (six years ago)

Never heard of that one.

― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 11:03 (six years ago)

how cringe

― fetter, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 11:23 (six years ago)

my kids say this thing now all the time when they're mocking someone (which is all the time) which sounds like:

"GAH-dee!"

i assume it's fortnite related, like everything else they do. it drives me up the wall (which I'm sure is part of the point)

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 11:38 (six years ago)

I can get grumpy as fuck about some "the youth using old words in new ways" things, and the likes of the casual "decimate," but my first "extra" was a thrilling moment. seeing an entirely new context around an ancient word (or word fragment), grokking it completely at once, and raising an invisible salute to whatever millennial in a purple crop-top had presumably conceived it.

I like onimo's attempt to translate it as a contraction of extravagant, too, a usage surely never contemplated by any of the first 200 ppl to deploy it in its new form

― blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:44 (six years ago)

taking it back for the old ppl

― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:53 (six years ago)

Booming post sic

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:23 (six years ago)

yea 'extra' = histrionic (m/l)

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:23 (six years ago)

I'm paying more attention to basketball these days..."looks" kind of drives me up the wall. Confined to shot-taking--"he had some open looks"--it's somewhat bearable. Defensively--"you can expect the Sixers to give Kawhi some new looks tonight--it grates.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:34 (six years ago)

if there are no good looks, you'll have to get it inside to the bigs

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:37 (six years ago)

pound it inside and get the rock to the cup.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:47 (six years ago)

I'm with sic, I love new usages and fucking with language. I think this generation of teens are super good at it - they're hyper-literate and the dominant cultural vibe seems to be one of jamming and undermining. I love the shitty repurposed memes, deep fried images, grammar hacking, embracing lameness, and the-reference-is-the-message. I'm sure "extra" just comes from the "an added extra" sense, it's a bonus (whether wanted or not).

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:49 (six years ago)

"the shitty repurposed memes, deep fried images, grammar hacking, embracing lameness, and the-reference-is-the-message" - enjoyed reading this

― Dan S, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 03:15 (six years ago)

"I like onimo's attempt to translate it as a contraction of extravagant, too, a usage surely never contemplated by any of the first 200 ppl to deploy it in its new form." Yeah, I've never thought of it in this way before and don't expect that's the origin but it works!

About 5 mins after I read Onimo's post yesterday one of my co-workers referred to a meeting we're trying to arrange with some famous ppl as being "so so extra". I thought of this thread and smiled. It's not really a new thing though, is it? Feel like it's been around at least a couple years.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 09:00 (six years ago)

more -- it's tumblrspeak from five-six years ago at least

(the ppl i know that said it then are all now in their early 30s) (i.e. mid-range millennials)

― mark s, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 09:21 (six years ago)

Yeah, I thought so.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 09:35 (six years ago)

I don't mind "extra," and I see it in kinship with similar usages from earlier generations. I can see like a free-spirited young woman in a miniskirt and boots in a 60s movie saying "Oh, Trish, you're so VERY," or "too TOO," and having it mean the same thing. Even just "you're too much" is not far off, and that's firmly idiomatic.

― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 10:18 (six years ago)

isnt that direct from french or

ooooh c'est trop and all that

― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 10:20 (six years ago)

only ilx can make fetch happen (when we delete this thread)

― mark s, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 10:21 (six years ago)

F Kogan's "superwords" to thread

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 10:49 (six years ago)

As a Star Wars fan I've been exposed to "extra" for a few years now because there's a segment of fandom devoted to discussing Darth Vader in just that way, e.g.

https://www.ranker.com/list/darth-vader-is-hilariously-extra/jacob-shelton

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:08 (six years ago)

we just call things “ott” among us olds

― mh, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:14 (six years ago)

ooooh c'est trop and all that

See also: ‘circle back’

― steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 13:32 (one year ago)

xp lol "revert back to before you sent the email and i was blissfully ignorant of what you had to say"

― sarahell, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:56 (one year ago)

that 'revert' thing sounds bizarre to me. most business jargon makes a modicum of sense. that one's somebody's meaningless malapropism being replicated like a cancer cell.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:33 (one year ago)

I think lawyers started it.

― Alba, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:45 (one year ago)

its one of those that is so widespread for so long now that tbh i think its a bit crankish to insist it has the more specific meaning anymore

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 18:57 (one year ago)

Never heard of it tbh!

― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 19:23 (one year ago)

Yeah, I've just started noticing it in the last few months, but I guess it's been common for a while, especially in India, Singapore, Malaysia, and Hong Kong

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06FOB-onlanguage-t.html

― jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:16 (one year ago)

Never heard of it either, but it's terrible.

― kinder, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:58 (one year ago)

imo what's way worse than AI is how often ppl critique something now by saying it "reads/sounds/looks like AI made it"

― ivy (BradNelson), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:22 (one year ago)

as someone who put in his content-mine time back before mechanization (i'm talking real ehow.com SEO-game machines-clicking-on-machines stuff here i'm not necessarily being mordant about rockcrit) i haven't minded the aesthetic i discovered in myself suddenly being named (the best we had hitherto being "reads/sounds/looks like jj abrams made it")

also think tbh that the continuity of mass-produced content (its style and function but also literally its method of composition: LLMs are not alive but nor was my brain at the time, is what i'm saying) could do w some stressing in our era of unprecedence-discourse

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 23 June 2023 16:03 (one year ago)

idk i think when i'm watching a studio horror like the boogeyman and it's clear that its flaws are the result of people making it it's tiresome to read reviews accusing it of being AI-generated, it is frankly lazy as hell and says nothing

― ivy (BradNelson), Friday, 23 June 2023 16:22 (one year ago)

but in my example i directly named a piece of mass-produced content so maybe you're right

― ivy (BradNelson), Friday, 23 June 2023 16:22 (one year ago)

maybe this grievance was more appropriate for the "say other things" thread

― ivy (BradNelson), Friday, 23 June 2023 16:27 (one year ago)

as for me, I am still suck on "creatives" which I have a visceral negative reaction to, but, it's more complicated now, in terms of who uses it and is it an indicator of cultural snobbery to hate it?

― sarahell, Wednesday, June 14, 2023 8:02 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

it feels like a cousin to "vinyls" in some ways but i think it's worse, because i guess vinyls also sounds like some i can haz cheezburger type word, whereas "creatives" makes me think of someone just saying, "i'm spitballing here but what if we diversify and employ some creatives to hash out some ideas. i realize this might be a little above my pay grade so let's table it for now and circle back later...."

― omar little, Friday, 23 June 2023 16:35 (one year ago)

yeah ... like there is an exploitative context to "creatives" ... whereas vinyls (which I agree is related) is just annoying in its aesthetic way

― sarahell, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:04 (one year ago)

i put "vinyls" in the same annoying but harmless and there are so many other things to be legit annoyed by category as "bonkers" and "kiddo"

― sarahell, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:06 (one year ago)

"creatives" sounds like variety/hollywood reporter speak that made its way into the mainstream, casually used like some in-the-know bit of lingo. maybe that's why i don't like "showrunners" either idk.

also i think for me, working in the "entertainment industry", it does speak to the exploitation a bit, we're getting deeper here but i don't know anyone who emigrated to los angeles w/me or around the same time who wasn't inspired directly by the kind of work that's simply not produced anymore, and i know vv few who work in the wings of the industry they wanted to. they got swallowed up elsewhere, most happily, few begrudgingly. it all feels like a cheap slurry of empty disposable content now, instantly forgotten, in all areas of tv and film media. so when i hear "creatives" it kind of makes me think of idk jc chandor or chloe zhao getting sucked up into the marvel industrial complex, and makes me actually like guys like George Lucas more lol because at least when he was making his deeply flawed prequel films a couple decades back, it was all his weird singular vision, not smoothed over into a dull anonymous product aiming to please everyone at once.

― omar little, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:19 (one year ago)

that's all probably for another thread of course.

not sure if THIS is for this thread either but i hate the thing where people will explain things in a column or on twitter where it's this frenetic thing! They put exclamation points here! We all see it all the time! Brief sentences like this! And that's fine! It's what people write like now! I think they're all on drugs!

― omar little, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:21 (one year ago)

it all feels like a cheap slurry of empty disposable content now, instantly forgotten,

yeah, exactly.

― sarahell, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:47 (one year ago)

'creatives' is even worse when people call themselves that... it's a made-up, bullshit capitalist term, for gods sake don't adopt it yourself

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:56 (one year ago)

Or the 'creative class' is even more bullshit

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:56 (one year ago)

one of the salient features of capitalism is that ensures each and every one of us will consume our full measure of humiliation in return for the opportunity to eat, including referring to oneself as a "creative" in order to prove one's capacity for self-abasement

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 23 June 2023 18:05 (one year ago)

who decides what each of our "full measures" are though? Like, there definitely is not equality in that ... some people have to endure way more humiliation than others. So by saying "full measure" it kinda erases the existence of the inequality of society.

― sarahell, Friday, 23 June 2023 18:19 (one year ago)

some people have to endure way more humiliation than others

Hot Dog on a Stick to thread

https://img.franchising.com/art/articles/6607_plate.jpg

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 18:37 (one year ago)

I don't know whether it's just me but I have lost all tolerance for dog-speak this month.

Not a phrase, but I really despise the 'things that just make sense' TikTok hand motion.

― Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Friday, 23 June 2023 19:36 (one year ago)

― sarahell, Friday, June 23, 2023 1:19 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

honestly this is a stretch

― budo jeru, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:56 (one year ago)

I am fine with "vinyls" because imo it makes sense for "vinyl" to transition from an uncountable noun (How much vinyl do you have? Lots of vinyl!) to a countable noun (I bought five vinyls at the record store). Previously we would have used the word "record" for the items you bought at the store, and we still can, but since that word can also refer to the album in all its tangible and intangible forms, there's a gap there for a specific countable noun meaning "a vinyl record," and the word "vinyl/vinyls" has come in to fill that gap.

― Lily Dale, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:20 (one year ago)

"LP" comes to mind

― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:52 (one year ago)

Platter

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:57 (one year ago)

When I was but a wee person I remember a "record album" by Bing Crosby that my parents had. It was a set of 78 rpm records, each record had its own sleeve and all the sleeves were bound together between two heavy covers, rather like a hardbound book or a photograph album. The "LP record album" on a single vinyl platter was a huge leap ahead in terms of convenience of play and easy storage.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:08 (one year ago)

and birthed a new art medium of course

― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 24 June 2023 06:49 (one year ago)

the "vinyls" thing is a European thing I think? Like there are places (Germany maybe?) where it's actually a correct usage?

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:37 (one year ago)

It's what my friends in France say, for sure. LP doesn't seem quite as universally useful to me since it refers only to a specific type of record.

Basically, this seems like standard evolution of language to me, and it doesn't bother me when language evolves to get clearer. What bugs me is when language evolves to get vague or misleading - like when people start writing "may" instead of "might," leading to sentences like "The plane may have skidded off the runway" when what they mean is that the plane didn't skid off the runway.

― Lily Dale, Saturday, 24 June 2023 11:22 (one year ago)

I’m sure there are old German gits going “Schallplatten! They’re called SCHALLPLATTEN!! Bloody kids…”

― Tim, Saturday, 24 June 2023 11:25 (one year ago)

Verdammte kinder!

― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 June 2023 11:52 (one year ago)

Auf das Geld

― Tim, Saturday, 24 June 2023 12:13 (one year ago)

"Vinilos" in Mexico also

― Josefa, Saturday, 24 June 2023 13:10 (one year ago)

Now that I think about it, it's the countries where you have a word like discos or disques that could mean records or CDs where a word like vinyls is especially useful to make the distinction

― Josefa, Saturday, 24 June 2023 13:26 (one year ago)

CDs are records, I'm firm on this point.

― Alba, Saturday, 24 June 2023 14:41 (one year ago)

Agreed, the music on a cd was, generally, recorded in a recording studio. A record producer and recording engineer were most likely involved, and probably a record company. Someone probably pressed a button that said "record."

― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 24 June 2023 14:46 (one year ago)

like when people start writing "may" instead of "might," leading to sentences like "The plane may have skidded off the runway" when what they mean is that the plane didn't skid off the runway.

This usage doesn't really bother me, and it's usually clear from context, but my favourite example is "a seat belt may have saved Princess Diana's life".

― ledge, Saturday, 24 June 2023 14:48 (one year ago)

i have to say the runway example offered strikes me as at least as confusing the other way

theres twenty better ways of saying it that "may have" but "might have" is 19th on that list imo

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 June 2023 16:16 (one year ago)

vinyls is definitely an American English thing too, I hear it constantly from the under-30 set. it's origin is likely just the not-unusual process of a mass noun being used as a count noun. for example, my dad would never tell me that there are beers in the fridge, but my friends do.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Saturday, 24 June 2023 16:53 (one year ago)

same for waters in the fridge
as usual f hazel is otm

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 24 June 2023 16:57 (one year ago)

i think an important part of the "vinyls" thing is the fact that collecting records has an important community function and also touches on aspects of preserving / passing on musical heritage. and so there's a dynamic of learning from the elders and getting initiated into the lingo and terminology.

"disco é cultura", right?

― budo jeru, Saturday, 24 June 2023 18:17 (one year ago)

xxxp Neither "may have" nor "might have" sounds right in that context. "Could have" seems much better to me.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 24 June 2023 19:36 (one year ago)

May have = it's still a possibility.

Might have / could have = speculation, with subtly varying degrees of uncertainty depending on the speaker. I am not sure I use them interchangeably, but I would need to listen to myself in a thousand contexts to know.

But "may have" is definitely wrong for Diana's seat belt. Hitler or Elvis MAY HAVE faked their deaths? That implies the possibility that they're living happily together in Bolivia.

Option one: "Diana may have been saved by a seat belt." = we don't know that one didn't. Possibly her death and funeral were a sham and she escaped unharmed, to get away from the spotlight. She is happily retired from working at a day care center in Brisbane, and she has a nice garden.

Option two: "Diana could have been saved by a seat belt." = this is more like, "had she been wearing one, she could have survived, but we don't know for sure."

Option three: "Diana might have been saved by a seat belt." = somewhere in between. You COULD interpret this as a speculation like option one, but that's a stretch. I would be more likely to interpret it like option two, where it means something like, "in an alternate universe where she was wearing a seat belt, there's a chance she would have survived."

― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 24 June 2023 22:06 (one year ago)

i think you sound very certain there about how those very specific meanings are to be derived and i just dont, i suppose, have that confidence in the specifics there

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 June 2023 23:52 (one year ago)

Elvis and Diana are living happily together in Bolivia.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 24 June 2023 23:59 (one year ago)

the may be but they might not be

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 June 2023 00:03 (one year ago)

They could have been.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 25 June 2023 00:05 (one year ago)

The correct usage is clearly "Diana might coulda lived if she wore a seat belt"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Sunday, 25 June 2023 01:05 (one year ago)

I reckon

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 25 June 2023 02:00 (one year ago)

people who couldn't find on a map until yesterday

― anvil, Sunday, 25 June 2023 12:44 (one year ago)

darragh I am simply speaking about how I interpret these phrases in my own dialect and within my own speech community. Yes I have studied linguistics a tad and have a degree in English/philosophy but that's not relevant because I am really just trying to answer the question that was asked.

So:

I may have had sex with your mom: I am not definitively saying whether it happened or didn't, but there is a possibility that it happened. To be honest, we were both pretty drunk.

I could have had sex with your mom: I had the opportunity. But this phrasing tends to indicate that I had the opportunity and declined.

I might have had sex with your mom: who knows? We were both pretty drunk.

― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 25 June 2023 20:48 (one year ago)

I would add that the third sentence, as you pointed out in your earlier comment, can also mean something more like this:

If, at some point in the past, something had gone differently, I might have had sex with your mom. This is a purely hypothetical past-tense scenario, and it's clear from context that I did not have sex with your mom.

That's the one that tends to get confusing when you replace it with "may."

― Lily Dale, Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:42 (one year ago)

hey all let's get off moms.

cause

― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 June 2023 21:43 (one year ago)

depending on inflection and delivery and context, "might" functions a number of possible ways i would have said, and surely even a basic imagining of a sitcom-apologetic-hilarious morning after confession "i might have had sex with your mom" illustrates how it very much can mean that it has probably happened.

i know that this is a hilarious american thing btw but in this actual context my mother died under sudden and traumatic circumstances while i was in my early twenties so if the annoyance at my quibbling here is such that this is the example you really want to keep going with, fair enough, but if we could move it to anything else that works too

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 June 2023 22:19 (one year ago)

I'm sorry, darraghmac, please consider my comment withdrawn.

― Lily Dale, Sunday, 25 June 2023 22:26 (one year ago)

genuinely fine and that stands for all, i know it's no harm meant

i suppose you could say that i might have mentioned it sooner

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 June 2023 22:34 (one year ago)

Sorry dmac, I wish it were clearer that I was not referring to any specific actual mother (nor, for that matter, any specific actual Princess of Wales).

The chosen examples need not, and should not, cloud the grammar discussion.

So if it helps, feel free to substitute something like "boil the pasta" or "mulch the garden" or "toast the bread" or "assemble the Lego figurines" or whatever uncontroversial analogy you think will help move the discussion forward in a productive manner.

― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 25 June 2023 23:09 (one year ago)

its harder to sell a hilarious sitcom apology reading of admitting you boiled the pasta, ill grant u that

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 June 2023 23:19 (one year ago)

We're unlikely to get too much consensus here, because (aside from different English dialects using them differently) modals have some inherent semantic ambiguity, because they deal with intention, permission, desire, hypotheticals, etc. They also have past tense forms that don't express action in the past, are used as polite forms, and other unusual stuff.

We're hyperliterate so we (in vain) attempt to make syntax work entirely free of context, while language was forged during human evolution by context-dependent usage. What makes language amazing is that it manages to maintain both ambiguity and clarity as ideals. Modals are a good example of this.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 26 June 2023 00:58 (one year ago)

CTA ('Call to Action') - something that a system user has to do or is requested to do or i don't even know.

― ledge, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 12:46 (one year ago)

CTA makes me laugh because it sounds really URGENT and IMPORTANT but all you're usually doing is asking someone to...click a link.

― bain4z, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 12:56 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mXIiM9QjA

― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:02 (one year ago)

Going back to the convo about "creatives", I often struggle w/ the fact that there's no good word for being a reader and listener and viewer and gamer, no catch all term for enjoying these things. Consumer is horrible capitalist terminology, audience member is weird outside of specific contexts.

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:09 (one year ago)

got my first 'revert' today...

From an Irish Broadband company....

might now shop elsewhere.

I had never heard of it till this thread, but my partner has heard it all the time, despite working in the same industry... she thinks its a legal thing that has crept in because people are parroting what a clever person says.

see also using fiscal when its not about taxes....

― my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:41 (one year ago)

xxp - some times it's clicking a link and signing a petition!

― sarahell, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 15:06 (one year ago)

"Touch grass".

― Look closely, that is all. (doo dah), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 15:44 (one year ago)

there's no good word for being a reader and listener and viewer and gamer

Aesthete?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:33 (one year ago)

Halfway through the Ashes and I am heartily sick of hearing and reading the phrase "for the ages".

― Foot Heads Arms Body (Tom D.), Friday, 7 July 2023 09:11 (one year ago)

okay, we're doing some project at my work around "skilling"

it's a verb based on skill, who comes up with this shit

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 7 July 2023 18:27 (one year ago)

i know a guy whose last name is skillings.

you'd probably hate him.

― budo jeru, Friday, 7 July 2023 19:29 (one year ago)

would make a skilling off the merchandise

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 19:31 (one year ago)

I'm all skilling at my learnings

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 7 July 2023 19:36 (one year ago)

I do think it's call center lingo, cos most telephony services have to add specific skills for specific types of calls to route to that department, so they talk about "I skilled Jonathan to Retention Services for the evening" etc

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 19:50 (one year ago)

well, if I ain't fer it, I'm agin it

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 7 July 2023 20:29 (one year ago)

"the competition for eyeballs, ears and fingers has never been greater"

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 July 2023 10:05 (one year ago)

"How's you?" Not that I hear this much anymore, except ironically.

― Body Odour Ultra Low Emission Zone (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 July 2023 10:20 (one year ago)

"enough about me, what's going on with this whole.... YOU thing?"

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 July 2023 10:47 (one year ago)

"I regret to inform you..." about some mundane thing.

― Look closely, that is all. (doo dah), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:53 (one year ago)

"How's you?" Not that I hear this much any[/more, except ironically.

This appears still to be in use in New York, in particular.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:55 (one year ago)

in youse

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 July 2023 01:18 (one year ago)

I don't really like the way that 'rewatch' has become so standard.

It's clearly because 'review' already means something different.

But 'rewatch' still feels to me ugly and a compromise, a substitute word, as just suggested.

― the pinefox, Friday, 14 July 2023 09:14 (one year ago)

I had meant to note something on this thread.

When people (especially artists) say that their success is remarkable as they come from a place.

>>> Cellophane Spoons, the new 4-piece setting Steve Lamacq's programme alight. "Not bad for four lads from Hull!"

I literally saw a Guardian headline recently saying "Not bad for four lads from Sheffield!"

Now, there are cases where this formulation might make sense.

"Winning the Booker Prize? I suppose it's not bad for this former Somalian asylum seeker who fled persection then spent 5 years looked in an Australian detention centre". Yes.

But when the place is simply a location in a rich country of the developed world / Global North, the claim becomes almost meaningless.

Maybe "Not bad from a lass from Orkney" - somewhere implying isolation - OK.

But Hull and Sheffield, for instance, are major cities in the world's 6th biggest economy. They both have established histories of cultural achievement. There is nothing at all remarkable about succeeding when coming from them.

And everyone has to come from somewhere. But still people think that whatever place they came from is the one that makes their success unlikely.

In fact perhaps the most ridiculous case of all was Kingsley Amis: "Not bad from a boy from Norbury, eh?". Norbury is a comfortable suburban area about 7 miles from the UK Parliament.

― the pinefox, Friday, 14 July 2023 09:22 (one year ago)

Anywhere that's not London and the South East is a foreign country to the UK media.

― Body Odour Ultra Low Emission Zone (Tom D.), Friday, 14 July 2023 09:27 (one year ago)

I think pinefox it talking about when artists say it about themselves. Didn't someone white and British get embroiled in a social media storm recently when their acceptance speech at an awards ceremony used this trope, making some people, mainly Americans, indignant, their reading being that it was implying he hadn't come from a position of privilege? Can't think who it was now.

I literally saw a Guardian headline recently saying "Not bad for four lads from Sheffield!"

Can't find this (maybe it was a print headline?)

Did find this though

Not bad for a ‘fat lad from Sheffield’: Sharp out for promotion with Blades

― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:46 (one year ago)

'A fat lad from Sheffield' - really just means 'a fat person, who thus wouldn't be expected to be good at sport', doesn't it?

The idea that being from Sheffield would impede him succeeding at soccer is preposterous, but it gets tacked on and, I suppose, diminishes the sting of the 'fat lad' insult.

― the pinefox, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:50 (one year ago)

I've always thought of Sheffield as being a relatively wealthy city.

― Body Odour Ultra Low Emission Zone (Tom D.), Friday, 14 July 2023 12:54 (one year ago)

we should at the very least press for it to gain similar prominence as a negative corollary

only having a career that maxes out at non-league level -----> not great for a lad from toxteth

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 14 July 2023 13:11 (one year ago)

Didn't someone white and British get embroiled in a social media storm recently when their acceptance speech at an awards ceremony used this trope, making some people, mainly Americans, indignant, their reading being that it was implying he hadn't come from a position of privilege? Can't think who it was now.

Answering my own question, it was Harry Styles. He didn't actually name where he was from, he just said “This doesn’t happen to people like me very often".

https://www.nme.com/news/music/harry-styles-people-like-me-grammys-speech-earns-backlash-3393823

― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 13:46 (one year ago)

do people from location x get to self determine whether international superstardom is strange for them or not

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 14 July 2023 13:50 (one year ago)

I suspect a lot of people who say stuff like this are simply marveling at how they were once unknown outside of where they come from, and perhaps still primarily think of themselves as a person from that place rather than as a global celebrity.

― jaymc, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:00 (one year ago)

Exactly.

― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:05 (one year ago)

Sort of a mild version of imposter syndrome.

― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:09 (one year ago)

Not bad for a person from New York city

Not bad for a person from Beverly Hills

― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 July 2023 14:35 (one year ago)

The Harry Styles thing was pretty funny because it's left entirely to the reader to decide what he actually meant by "people like me".

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 14 July 2023 15:00 (one year ago)

"people who can't shit in war movies"

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 July 2023 15:01 (one year ago)

she was only a grocer's daughter

― henry s, Friday, 14 July 2023 15:37 (one year ago)

"pretty much exactly"

― all this time I thought you were British (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 25 July 2023 04:55 (one year ago)

pretty fly for a Sheffield guy

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 July 2023 16:57 (one year ago)

"you are a fucking amazing group of product managers, i just want to say that"

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:01 (one year ago)

"You have the day you deserve".

not because it wasn't an effective 'fuck off' used against people who were abusive or awful people, but now it's once again been co-opted and seems to be used in situations that don't even remotely warrant such a level of aggression, like someone getting your order wrong at Wendy's or arguing whether someone was offside or not.

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:10 (one year ago)

You know what I hate?

I hate "as [so-and-so] might put it" ...when the phrase that so-and-so "might" use is something the person wrote/said/sang ONCE (even if it was very famous).

My long-time annoyance at this was re-triggered by this sentence, in reference to the summer of 1974 in American politics: "It was, as Charles Dickens might put it, the best of times and the worst of times." Really? As though that weren't just a sentence in one of his books, but the dude's fucking catchphrase or something.

― jaymc, Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:48 PM (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink

On a similar note (from an Adam Gopnik article in the New Yorker): "The raw, the cooked, and the rotten: It sounds like a Sergio Leone movie."

Yes, a very specific Sergio Leone movie! "A Sergio Leone movie" makes it sound like Leone had a propensity for "The X, the Y, and the Z" titles, at the very least that he did it more than once, like how the stereotypical Robert Ludlum book title is "The Surname Noun." But no, it's just an indirect reference to a single (admittedly quite famous) title.

I get why people do this, because the alternative is to say "Sounds like The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly," which reads less like a clever allusion and more like pointless free-association. But if that's the case, maybe the allusion wasn't worth making in the first place.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:27 (one year ago)

OTM

― kinder, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:35 (one year ago)

What's funny about that Gopnik excerpt is that he's quoting himself. Like hey, this phrase I just came up with reminds me of Sergio Leone.

― Josefa, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:34 (one year ago)

xps not otm imo!

you're just complaining about a careless use of the word "might" really?

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:27 (one year ago)

As Jon Anderson might say, "yes"

― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:42 (one year ago)

fair

― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:54 (one year ago)

well, Adam Gopnick is a total hack

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:37 (one year ago)

https://i.imgur.com/X9PsTeG.jpg

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:21 (one year ago)

I've been getting inundated with cold-call sales emails and they all talk like this

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:29 (one year ago)

why do you answer them?

― sarahell, Thursday, 3 August 2023 14:42 (one year ago)

oh oops, missed the "emails" part ... n/m

― sarahell, Thursday, 3 August 2023 14:43 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

"lovely jubbly"

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 August 2023 14:48 (one year ago)

in correspondence from my mobile phone provider no less

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 August 2023 14:49 (one year ago)

"The blob"

I mean "the deep state" is a stupid expression but it least it sounds dramatic. "The blob" is the kind of Eton-level schoolboy joke phrase you could imagine a bunch of Tory tossers chortling about because they mistakenly think it's funny. In fact you don't have to imagine it, it's what they publicly do.

― there's no such thing as a winnable volume war (Matt #2), Monday, 21 August 2023 14:59 (one year ago)

one month passes...

"Brits"

Fair enough if an American uses it but I've just heard a Sky reporter use it. It would be a bit like if a US reporter referred to Americans as Yanks in a serious news report.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 17:34 (one year ago)

I think that battle is lost. There's a new generation that doesn't think it makes us sound like cunts.

― Alba, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 19:56 (one year ago)

Rather that than Britishers

― fucking beanie hat music (Matt #2), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:21 (one year ago)

It would be funny if a Sky reporter said "Britishers" though. And "Englanders".

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:27 (one year ago)

Whereas if they say Britishes, we know they lurk here.

― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:29 (one year ago)

I'd like to not read or hear "The British People" ever again.

― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:31 (one year ago)

What's wrong with Britons? No, don't answer that.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:33 (one year ago)

"I'm keeping a list of who is silent"

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:40 (one year ago)

'that's my happy place'

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 19 October 2023 19:42 (one year ago)

Surely it’s been mentioned in this thread before, but I crawl within myself and die when I see “so I did a thing” on social media.

Poms is the correct way to refer to the brits fwiw

― Peach’s burner account (H.P), Thursday, 19 October 2023 22:25 (one year ago)

+1 on 'so I did a thing', major barf

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 19 October 2023 22:35 (one year ago)

I am fine with it depending on the thing… if it is related to the Carpenter movie I will generally lol

― sarahell, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 06:31 (one year ago)

"the conversation around (x)"

― donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 06:40 (one year ago)

"Do better"

― Alba, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 07:14 (one year ago)

English, ersatz English, Anglos, exbrits.
Disolvers of the holy bond that United the kingdom.

As the nation dissolves into smaller city states one will be known by the area one comes from. Bound to happen.
Or become more evolved and become Europeans again innit

― Stevo, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 07:42 (one year ago)

"my guy"

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 17:06 (one year ago)

social media posts that start "i don't know who needs to hear this but"

or sometimes "i don't know how many of y'all need to hear this", these type of people always call you "y'all" even if they come from fucking dunedin or somewhere

― donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 17:29 (one year ago)

"Louder for the people in the back"

― Breakfast at Tiffani Amber Thiessen's (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 17:30 (one year ago)

doo rag!!!!!

amazing to see you here

i agree completely btw

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 22:57 (one year ago)

All of these are terrible but "do better" might be the worst. If someone says that you can be guaranteed they're a self-righteous asshole.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 26 October 2023 09:22 (one year ago)

"y'all" seems to be everywhere.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 October 2023 09:56 (one year ago)

It’s fucking abysmal, that, but I guess not everyone speaks a prestige dialect that has a native second person plural. 😎

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Thursday, 26 October 2023 10:11 (one year ago)

Tell me about it

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 October 2023 10:14 (one year ago)

I keep seeing “having a moment”, eg:

”Belfast is having quite a moment, it really is,” says hotelier Melanie Harrison with an infectious laugh”

― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Thursday, 26 October 2023 10:55 (one year ago)

Is there an Irish equivalent? Best I can guess is "ye"??

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 26 October 2023 11:08 (one year ago)

"(x) is...... different"

maybe acceptable if you literally came up with it yourself as an offhand comment, but as a meme comment to repeat after any instance of remarkable ability or behaviour, welll..... DO BETTER

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 26 October 2023 11:10 (one year ago)

I think ‘x is….different’ is similar to the studied inarticulateness of “ Is x a thing now?”

― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:05 (one year ago)

"Because … thing"

― Alba, Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:15 (one year ago)

^i don’t know the origin of this but it always seemed sub-Whedon to me, and that’s not a compliment to Joss Whedon at all

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:17 (one year ago)

internet speak was basically sub-whedon for a couple of decades there

― Left, Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:19 (one year ago)

Yeah, the rot has been in place for a while

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:21 (one year ago)

"studied inarticulateness" no doubt, but interestingly the terms for long-form journalistic writing already in use pre-thing are generally examples of a similar affect

i: an article (from 1700s; means "a thing")
ii: a piece (from 1500s; means "a bit of a thing")
iii: a feature (from 1850s; short for featured article, means "a thing we are publicly excited about")
iv: an essay (from 1500s; means "i tried to write a thing")

― mark s, Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:27 (one year ago)

v: wedding announcement/new job: some personal news 😏

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:37 (one year ago)

It's this thing

― Alba, Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:37 (one year ago)

that's not a thing. this is a thing:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/03/5d/92/035d925f690d6cc0dc620421b88b86d3.jpg

― Left, Thursday, 26 October 2023 12:57 (one year ago)

Left is right (heh), this is a thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Althing

― Breakfast at Tiffani Amber Thiessen's (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 October 2023 13:22 (one year ago)

‘Some personal news’ has the same intonation as ‘a very special episode’.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 26 October 2023 13:36 (one year ago)

"y'all" seems to be everywhere.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Thursday, October 26, 2023 5:56 AM bookmarkflaglink

well, I'm actually from the south, so it's part of our vernacular here

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 October 2023 13:55 (one year ago)

about to drop a lengthy rant? best to preface it with a

*deep inhale*

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 26 October 2023 14:26 (one year ago)

Preaching to the choir requires a lot of hot air

― Evan, Thursday, 26 October 2023 14:32 (one year ago)

It’s fucking abysmal, that

your fragile ears would probably melt the first time you heard someone point to a bunch of half-full glasses on a bar table and ask "are these y'all'ses?"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 October 2023 15:48 (one year ago)

Yourns

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 26 October 2023 15:50 (one year ago)

xp not if it was in the American south where it makes sense! Tom D I believe is speaking of people here(in the UK) who use it, in which case it’s kind of like

https://i.postimg.cc/bwFHhxRY/IMG-1265.jpg

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Thursday, 26 October 2023 15:56 (one year ago)

Y'all should be used everywhere by everyone, it's versatile and sonorous

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 October 2023 15:57 (one year ago)

that "look" thing on cable news. every talking head has to start their rant with "LOOK, here's the thing about trump..." and sometimes they have 4 talking heads and they ALL do it. i mean, we are looking. we are watching you speak. make your point. no need to preface. it must be in some How To Get Your Point Across On Cable News For Dummies book. but like i sad on another thread, it would make a sick drinking game. they do it 20 times an hour.

― scott seward, Thursday, 26 October 2023 15:58 (one year ago)

not in every accent and certainly not mine

― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Thursday, 26 October 2023 15:59 (one year ago)

Yeah there are definitely American word usages that are cringey when used by non-Americans and expressions that originated from the UK that sound cringey to me when Americans use them …

― sarahell, Thursday, 26 October 2023 21:02 (one year ago)

Also hearing “y’all” in certain American accents is also cringey to me

― sarahell, Thursday, 26 October 2023 21:04 (one year ago)

that "look" thing on cable news. every talking head has to start their rant with "LOOK, here's the thing about trump..." and sometimes they have 4 talking heads and they ALL do it.

Australian cricketers have been prefacing every reply to every question with "Look" since there's been Australian cricketers being asked questions.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 October 2023 21:17 (one year ago)

Actually a lot of it is contextual re accents that aren’t Southern or AAVE … still I remember cringing in college hearing “y’all” from a housemate from New Jersey using it because she thought it was cute when my roommate from Tennessee said it…

― sarahell, Thursday, 26 October 2023 21:20 (one year ago)

I once got a lesson from a Texan person about the subtle difference between "y'all" and "all y'all."

Note, I cannot precisely articulate it but they are different.

― Breakfast at Tiffani Amber Thiessen's (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 October 2023 21:35 (one year ago)

obama did/does the 'look' thing a lot

― mookieproof, Thursday, 26 October 2023 23:54 (one year ago)

all y'all means everyone in the group, y'all might just indicate some of many. if my friends Bobby and Jean introduce me to four of their acquaintances at the bar, and while everyone is standing there I say "y'all should come back to my place for whiskey after" the four acquaintances will assume I'm talking to Bobby and Jean and will likely not consider themselves invited too. But if I say "all y'all should come back to my place for a whiskey" then they know that they too are invited.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 October 2023 23:57 (one year ago)

Thank you f hazel

― Breakfast at Tiffani Amber Thiessen's (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 27 October 2023 00:00 (one year ago)

that is a v. good explanation

― mookieproof, Friday, 27 October 2023 00:13 (one year ago)

Or, you could be talking to two members of a family and refer to them as "y'all," but if you say, "all y'all should come visit us some time" it means those two people and everyone else in their family even if the rest of the family is not present.

― Josefa, Friday, 27 October 2023 00:32 (one year ago)

saw a twitter post turned into an instagram meme that was quite comprehensive of every phrase I hate:

"I did a thing"
"adulting"
"I'm not crying you're crying"
"I'm just gonna leave this here"
"This."
"So that happened"
"My person"
"Fur baby"
"All the feels"
"The Struggle is real"

I'd also add: "So it begins" and about 700 other things

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 27 October 2023 01:06 (one year ago)

do these awful things exist in languages other than english? maybe I should re-learn German. I have a feeling they don't allow this in German.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 27 October 2023 01:11 (one year ago)

Ich weiß nicht, wer das hören muss

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 October 2023 01:14 (one year ago)

Is just *chefs kiss*

Kill me

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Friday, 27 October 2023 01:55 (one year ago)

Kill me being a phrase that’s terrible, not a response to *chefs kiss* (but if you were the type to say kill me, it’d be appropriate in that case)

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Friday, 27 October 2023 01:57 (one year ago)

On that note, is there a worse acronym than kys?

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Friday, 27 October 2023 01:58 (one year ago)

"Y'all" migrated out of the south and became a universal American expression decades ago. All y'all need to get over it. I'm still pissed that "youse" never gained similar acceptance, but I've gotten over that.

― read-only (unperson), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:05 (one year ago)

There are certain times when the implied friendliness of "y'all" is unsuited to the occasion. "Youse need to shut the fuck up" is much better, for example.

― read-only (unperson), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:06 (one year ago)

i like when Australians say reckon i reckon.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 02:28 (one year ago)

The accepted usage is “fuck all y’all.”

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:30 (one year ago)

(it used to just feel like a south thing to me for most of my life. i reckon.)

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 02:30 (one year ago)

so weird seeing that word in isolation. It’s either whadayareckon? Or yareckon? Never a clearly enunciated “reckon”

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:31 (one year ago)

(i watched a lot of mcleod's daughters during the pandemic...we all had our ways of coping i reckon.)

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 02:36 (one year ago)

It’s definitely still in use in the more countrified parts of the American south.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:36 (one year ago)

I reckon the bloody south’s stealing our bit

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:40 (one year ago)

I reckon the usage stems from a common source.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:42 (one year ago)

hillbillies without borders.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 02:46 (one year ago)

Bogan/hillbillie solidarity

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Friday, 27 October 2023 02:55 (one year ago)

hate to do it, but y'all are gonna make me insist on yinz

― mookieproof, Friday, 27 October 2023 05:45 (one year ago)

yinz're gonna make me say yuns.

― Look closely, that is all. (doo dah), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:41 (one year ago)

i used to love the way my mom said honk in her long island by way of queens accent. she would say "hunk". her accent wasn't strong - or she hid it - but it would come out in little ways like that.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 13:48 (one year ago)

I have socks that say yinz.

"Yous guys" was big where I grew up. I hate it.

Yeah there are definitely American word usages that are cringey when used by non-Americans and expressions that originated from the UK that sound cringey to me when Americans use them …

Yep. I pretty much never use British slang or terms. It feels too weird.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:50 (one year ago)

I don't have a long island accent at all but can turn it on it if want to. I can't think of how she would have said honk!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:51 (one year ago)

I fought against y'all forever in favor of you guys and then at some point I started saying it because I needed to seem friendlier and folksier for work and then it just stuck. "You guys" is pretty ugly so I'm okay with losing that one.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:53 (one year ago)

she would say to my dad if my brother wouldn't get out of the house when we were going somewhere: "Ashley, hunk the hooowrn."

it stuck with me. i dunno. she left queens for L.I. when she was 8 or 9. so maybe its a jackson heights in the 40s kinda thing.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 13:58 (one year ago)

Youse is West of Scotland, though it comes out more as "yiz" usually.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:59 (one year ago)

... or "yeez", the plural of "ye" basically.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:00 (one year ago)

my great regret is not taping my grandmother (my dad's mom) speaking. a completely different lost world of a voice. cold spring harbor via henry james. i loved listening to her.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:00 (one year ago)

All of these are good for anyone to say, & just saying you works well too

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:02 (one year ago)

i miss having great aunts who would call me "ducks". who calls you ducks anymore?

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:02 (one year ago)

Try watching Coronation Street

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:05 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BOBK8iBQU

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:06 (one year ago)

Yeah anywhere in Derbyshire gives you a solid chance of being called duck

― Tim, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:21 (one year ago)

Not “ducks” though, tbf

― Tim, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:22 (one year ago)

it might have been duck. i just remember it as ducks.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:28 (one year ago)

it must have been duck, but it's over now

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:29 (one year ago)

The only person who ever called me ducks was a former/erstwhile ilxor and I had no idea what she was talking about at the time and wondered why she was calling me ducks. It did not annoy me I just didn’t get it.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:31 (one year ago)

I have definitely come across old English ladies calling people "ducks" in books or movies.

― read-only (unperson), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:31 (one year ago)

i had an aunt with a shanghai china british private school accent from the early 20th century. she looked like douglas macarthur. she was friggin' awesome.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:31 (one year ago)

dougs

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:42 (one year ago)

I don't know if there's a thread for "words that people don't use much any more" but the proliferation of the word "foodie" seems to have died considerably since the pandemic

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:06 (one year ago)

RIP

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:12 (one year ago)

bullshit word. everyone likes food. we don't need a word for people who claim to enjoy it on a higher level because they have (or pretend to have) enough disposable income to throw at every new food fad

― Left, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:14 (one year ago)

i kinda hated when every american on social media got gutted when there fave rock star died. nobody here ever got gutted before the internet. i blame ilx. also it just makes me think of fish. and freddie kreuger.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:32 (one year ago)

I just call food, fuel. I’m a fuelie.

― Jeff, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:33 (one year ago)

"Cringe" is not a goddamn adjective! It's a verb! Use it right!

― Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:36 (one year ago)

I hate when people say "there are no words." Of course there are! You just said them!

― henry s, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:37 (one year ago)

yeah "gutted" is annoying and I associate it with the british and hyperbole, personally; it's akin to calling everything "brilliant". why go to these extremes.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:39 (one year ago)

"Incredible" is also incredibly overused, to the point of meaninglessness.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:47 (one year ago)

gutted is fucking brilliant in the right context nothing else works

the more recent use cringe as adjective or noun is fascist and I hate it so much. it's based on a contempt for "weakness" and any hint of nonconformity and all the usual right wingntargets. leftists adopting it is a total capitalulation to fascism

― Left, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:49 (one year ago)

*right wing targets

― Left, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:50 (one year ago)

cringe

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:51 (one year ago)

i had no idea that "sketch" went back to the 70s! i thought it was a millennial invention.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/magazine/31FOB-onlanguage-t.html

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:55 (one year ago)

right wing people don't own "cringe" it's just a term that is commonly used to bully and lots of bullies are right wing, simple as that

― Evan, Friday, 27 October 2023 15:57 (one year ago)

the more recent use cringe as adjective or noun is fascist and I hate it so much. it's based on a contempt for "weakness" and any hint of nonconformity and all the usual right wingntargets. leftists adopting it is a total capitalulation to fascism

No not really… I see it used more to describe someone or something trying to be something they are not … like white people acting black or older people in “hello fellow kids” mode

― sarahell, Friday, 27 October 2023 16:35 (one year ago)

It’s more about a lack of self-awareness, which I can see being weaponized by assholes but I also see in a “punching up” context

― sarahell, Friday, 27 October 2023 16:38 (one year ago)

i had no idea that "sketch" went back to the 70s! i thought it was a millennial invention.

I' m familiar with any modern usage. When I was younger people said "What's the sketch" to mean "What's going on".

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 27 October 2023 16:55 (one year ago)

.. unfamiliar, that is.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 27 October 2023 16:56 (one year ago)

sarahell otm

― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 October 2023 16:59 (one year ago)

'hella sketch' is something I'll occasionally utter

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 27 October 2023 17:03 (one year ago)

my niece and nephew use cringe and they're woke as hell

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 27 October 2023 17:07 (one year ago)

do they say 'Cheugy' as well?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 27 October 2023 17:09 (one year ago)

We said "sketchy," not "sketch."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 17:24 (one year ago)

creepazoid should make a comeback.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 17:27 (one year ago)

"spooky season"

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 October 2023 17:58 (one year ago)

like i know you have a marketing calendar to fill but it's not real, it's not a thing, halloween exists and then it doesn't, that's it

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 October 2023 17:59 (one year ago)

I actually like that one. I am generally fond of the word "spooky."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 17:59 (one year ago)

i do like silly season.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:03 (one year ago)

the whole endless halloween thing though...i'm sure there's a thread about it. my theory about endless holidays is that nobody goes to church anymore. same with disney worship and marvel worship. people gotta pray to something. they are a prayerful species.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:04 (one year ago)

star wars more fun than jeebus anyway. (my friend's professor father driving us back from empire strikes back going on about the parallels to the holy trinity and zzzzzzzz....we were like omg light sabers.)

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:06 (one year ago)

either that or it's just about selling shit to the rubes

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:28 (one year ago)

I hope you threw him out of the car.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 27 October 2023 18:29 (one year ago)

i kind of want to do a Star Wars vs Jesus poll but i kinda don't

― no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 October 2023 18:34 (one year ago)

"creepazoid should make a comeback."

I never stopped using that one

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 27 October 2023 18:37 (one year ago)

"either that or it's just about selling shit to the rubes"

same thing! tithing vs. limited-edition wolverine doll

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:41 (one year ago)

i went to yankee candle flagship store here in deerfield once. holy crap. it was nuts. they make so much money. tons of christmas stuff but also dragons. i can't imagine spending lots of money on xmas stuff or halloween stuff.

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:45 (one year ago)

lol we went there right after visiting your shop. It was extremely intense.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 27 October 2023 19:02 (one year ago)

Also, I use sketchy/sketch all the time and have since I was a teen. I thought that was universal!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 27 October 2023 19:03 (one year ago)

I have no explanation for why I hate it so much but “turnabout is fair play” just annoys me. It’s not about the meaning, either.

Also “______ much?”

― just1n3, Friday, 27 October 2023 19:35 (one year ago)

"so I did a thing much?"

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 27 October 2023 19:40 (one year ago)

xp has a loaded history on ilx iirc

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 27 October 2023 19:58 (one year ago)

when did people stop saying

as if!

and

not even!

― Left, Friday, 27 October 2023 20:40 (one year ago)

it used to be the coolest thing ever and then it just sort of faded away - do any gen Xers still talk like this?

― Left, Friday, 27 October 2023 20:42 (one year ago)

that's so random

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 27 October 2023 20:44 (one year ago)

"Fur baby"

This is cool though when used to describe incredible hirsute human infants

― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 27 October 2023 22:51 (one year ago)

Listen I am childless but have two dogs. Furbabies is AWFUL.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 27 October 2023 23:05 (one year ago)

Most newborns are actually hairy. It's to keep them warm and they shed the hair soon after birth. That should be what "fur babies' is used for lol.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 27 October 2023 23:06 (one year ago)

Sketchy in that sense is definitely American, I'd never heard it used like that before I met my late wife and we figured out it meant the same as "dodgy"

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 27 October 2023 23:27 (one year ago)

I don't think I ever heard sketchy until maybe 1996.

On the topic of fur babies, this is kind of a niche one, but as an owner of black cats, I'm not a fan of the term "voids".

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 28 October 2023 00:02 (one year ago)

Sketchy in the sense of 'dodgy' or 'highly questionable' has been around longer than I have and I'm 68.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 28 October 2023 03:49 (one year ago)

Yes - that's how I use it. Dodgy is exactly what it means.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 28 October 2023 04:54 (one year ago)

the more recent use cringe as adjective or noun is fascist and I hate it so much. it's based on a contempt for "weakness" and any hint of nonconformity and all the usual right wingntargets. leftists adopting it is a total capitalulation to fascism

respectuflly i cannot tell if this is a serious post or some kind of parody

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 28 October 2023 04:56 (one year ago)

This is cool though when used to describe incredible hirsute human infants

this gives me Galapagos (Vonnegut) flashbacks. I should re-read that one. I never feel like re-reading Vonnegut; I loved each book the first time and don't really want to go back.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 28 October 2023 05:01 (one year ago)

Galapagos is, I think, an underappreciated book.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 15:00 (one year ago)

One of my favorites of his

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 28 October 2023 15:11 (one year ago)

but as an owner of black cats, I'm not a fan of the term "voids".

Otm

― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Saturday, 28 October 2023 15:18 (one year ago)

i had no idea that "sketch" went back to the 70s! i thought it was a millennial invention.

We used to use "sketch" in Ireland to mean keeping a lookout for authority. If you were keeping sketch and you saw the teacher coming, you'd hiss "SKETCH!" at everyone and they would stop messing.

I hate it when people are doing old-timey Shakespeare talk and they put "eth" on the end of the wrong words. "I was shooketh." No.

― trishyb, Saturday, 28 October 2023 15:22 (one year ago)

I just saw this in the Guardian and wondered if they'd just made it up...

“LFI’s strategy of conflictualising and systematically obstructing everything in parliament has also really angered its partners,”

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 October 2023 08:12 (one year ago)

I just realised what Aussies use instead of ya'll! ya's! I.e. Whaddaya's doin? whaddayasreckon? canya's come over here?

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Monday, 30 October 2023 05:40 (one year ago)

Yeah our accent is close to Irish, cf “yiz”

― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 30 October 2023 07:38 (one year ago)

yeah "gutted" is annoying and I associate it with the british and hyperbole, personally; it's akin to calling everything "brilliant". why go to these extremes.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 27 October 2023 16:39 (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

British professional sportspeople have two emotional states: gutted or chuffed.

― fetter, Monday, 30 October 2023 11:05 (one year ago)

"oh, and by the way"

― anvil, Monday, 30 October 2023 11:13 (one year ago)

or just by the way in general

― anvil, Monday, 30 October 2023 11:13 (one year ago)

the british and hyperbole

One of my favorite examples of this is people using "You're a star" at work. Uh, really? I just did my job and answered your q. Not sure that really makes me a star lol.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 30 October 2023 11:21 (one year ago)

“It is what it is” is not a term I hate, but it is very very silly. You’ll find it in nearly every baseball interview ever, and I chuckle to myself whenever I hear/read it. It’s part of my regular lexicon, but usual said with a smirk to a friend just to be a pest

Also, chuffed and gutted are the only two descriptive words one needs and I need to use them more (particular chuffed, what a banger (do we hate “banger” in here?))

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Monday, 30 October 2023 12:52 (one year ago)

Hyperbole in the workplace in a positive matter? Absolutely classic. Would love to be called a star for my regular work tbh

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Monday, 30 October 2023 12:53 (one year ago)

Reading the top of this thread thoughts:

1. Didn’t know other countries said “veggies”
2. I didn’t know Ben Shapiro wasn’t the first person to say “p-word”
3. Bring back “touch base” (and you know what? Let’s say p-word more, it’s so silly and fun)

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Monday, 30 October 2023 12:57 (one year ago)

I'm guessing/hoping the p-word is not what it means in the UK

― Alba, Monday, 30 October 2023 13:03 (one year ago)

Oh okay I didn’t know that was a thing. Definitely not silly or fun

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Monday, 30 October 2023 13:09 (one year ago)

I don't know what the p-word means on either side of the Atlantic tbh.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Monday, 30 October 2023 13:15 (one year ago)

... oh hold on, no that is not advisable in the UK.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Monday, 30 October 2023 13:16 (one year ago)

Hyperbole in the workplace in a positive matter? Absolutely classic. Would love to be called a star for my regular work tbh

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Monday, October 30, 2023 8:53 AM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It feels demeaning in some way when it's for really simple things. If it were something amazing that would be one thing but for literally everyday tasks I'm responsible for it's weird.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 30 October 2023 13:31 (one year ago)

sometimes it can be used as a pretext to shit all over you later.

subtext being 'i said nice stuff to you before so i'm not a monster now that i'm saying really nasty stuff'

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 October 2023 13:34 (one year ago)

Agree with ENBB - saying someone is a star generally comes from above; there’s no way the receptionist is telling eg. a director that they’re a star for some small nice thing but a director handed a cup of tea by the receptionist will absolutely tell them what a star they are.

― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:31 (one year ago)

I called the woman who went out of her way to make me up a bag of donuts a star the other day and I definitely meant it

― no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:35 (one year ago)

I mean most words can be used to patronise this is true but sometimes you're just legit elated when somebody does something for you

― no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:37 (one year ago)

anyone can call anyone a star ime

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:46 (one year ago)

Todd Rundgren can

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:51 (one year ago)

I completely get what ENBB and suzy are talking about, lol it’s pretty much my mother’s mo

― brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2023 15:52 (one year ago)

context matters I guess. I do often do what NV does and lavish people who take care of me with praise.

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:58 (one year ago)

in conclusion,

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:58 (one year ago)

anyone can call anyone a star ime

favorite Sly & The Family Stone song

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:59 (one year ago)

re British hyperbole and "brilliant", I have heard British people complaining about Americans saying everything is "awesome"

idc about either fwiw

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 30 October 2023 16:04 (one year ago)

back in mIRC #metal chat in the eons before social media one of my friends used to get tired of my other friend calling every music release "amazing" so he'd type AMAZINGS! mockingly every time he used the word.

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 October 2023 16:06 (one year ago)

Suzy - yes!! I can't explain it really I just really really hate it. I do lots of things that would actually warrant the comment but it's more often said after things like literally sending one email or getting someone a coffee and I almost always cringe and just wish they'd said thanks.

I have also heard British people complain about awesome but lol come on. Hyperbole is their specialty!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 30 October 2023 16:29 (one year ago)

I think I probably say "brilliant" more sarcastically than sincerely tbh

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 30 October 2023 16:32 (one year ago)

In the work setting where you are a worker and the ‘star’ compliment comes from someone up the hierarchy, it’s cringe. In other settings where a person is serving you, and they do something extra, you calling them a star isn’t as bad (but is still a compliment given to someone who is of service to you and not someone who you are serving).

― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 30 October 2023 16:38 (one year ago)

Fuckin' magic, by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASGgn8bNQuA

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Monday, 30 October 2023 16:49 (one year ago)

star is bad, but rock star may be even worse

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 October 2023 17:13 (one year ago)

because that's not only cringe, but also it's rockist

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 October 2023 17:29 (one year ago)

no one at work has ever called me a pop star :'(

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 October 2023 17:35 (one year ago)

Cheers for that, amazing stuff, you're a top DJ producer

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Monday, 30 October 2023 17:56 (one year ago)

Great work! You're one of Rolling Stone's Top 250 Best Guitarists!

― Hideous Lump, Monday, 30 October 2023 19:32 (one year ago)

Being told you're a star is the "that's a lovely dress you're wearing" of work compliments, it's sort out of randomly doled-out unthoughtful praise, because the idea of consistently valuing somebody who works for you is too scary and difficult

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 30 October 2023 19:38 (one year ago)

the proper response of course being "thanks, now let's talk about my pay"

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 October 2023 19:39 (one year ago)

i just think that you can imagine a phrase used every day in pleasant interactions across the world as fulfilling that function in specific cases and you're well within your rights to do so

id stop you short of "this is therefore what that phrase means" because its really not

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2023 19:51 (one year ago)

I hear 'you're a star' all the time at work. It's phatic speech, innit? - shorthand for 'thanks for helping me out/sorting that thing/generally being amenable and not a dick'.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 30 October 2023 20:06 (one year ago)

I'm with ENBB and Suzy here -- it's equivalent to when I am working as a server and I do what someone asked me to do (my job) and they say "you're the best"

The first few times in my life that someone told me that I was "the best" I was sincerely flattered and felt seen. When someone says that after I bring them what they asked me to bring them, it feels hollow and condescending.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 30 October 2023 21:02 (one year ago)

YES

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:10 (one year ago)

It's too much and feels phoney. Thanks really is sufficient.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:11 (one year ago)

"Thanks, I really appreciate it."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:11 (one year ago)

I think the offensive part is in the “you’re a/the (superlative)” — “thank you” is more than enough and it is nice when someone says they appreciate something I did. Because the focus is on them, not me.

I’d appreciate this minimal probably required interaction not representing my personal worth. I know ppl do it in a tossed-off way and still I think it’s worth noting the alternatives are superior for everyone involved in the interaction.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:18 (one year ago)

I’m even a fan of “I appreciate you” because it’s not a referendum am I good y/n it’s an appreciation.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:20 (one year ago)

I love “I appreciate you.” This is the worst fucking thread. :-(

― brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2023 22:54 (one year ago)

I don't think I have ever heard "I appreciate you" outside the southern U.S., but I am a fan.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 30 October 2023 23:03 (one year ago)

I have, and it’s a perfectly nice thing to say.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 30 October 2023 23:09 (one year ago)

When I drove a school bus many of the kids would give me a card on the last day of school, usually handmade and 9 times out of 10 the inscription (crayon or felt tip marker) said I was "the best school bus driver in the world". Even though roughly half of the other drivers got the same cards with the same inscriptions. I knew the sentiment was sincere and unforced because only half the drivers got them.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 30 October 2023 23:12 (one year ago)

Different topic: "What's the best X, and why is it Y?"

E.g., "What's the best Dylan album, and why is it Blood on the Tracks?"

It's like the formula where you ask yourself a question and then answer your own question. Especially if you're pitching yourself a softball that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

"Do I deplore this X? Yes. Do I also oppose this Y? Yes."

"Uh, Senator, the question was about Z."

― Breakfast at Tiffani Amber Thiessen's (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 30 October 2023 23:13 (one year ago)

"appreciate you" is nice and uncondescending imo but i usually hear it in the context of getting in trouble for something

once had a "real" "corporate" job for about six months (company was sold) and within a week of being hired was called a "rock star" for returning an email. wow i thought: the big time!

afraid i really like "it is what it is" tho i almost never say it. the inanity is the point-- a momentary humble pause in our frenzy to express-- tho of course there is a cop/gangster usage of it that attempts instead to impose that humility on another.

― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:00 (one year ago)

I thought of one. "tell me you ___ without telling me you ___". hate it

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 10:40 (one year ago)

Wrong answers only.

― Jeff, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 10:51 (one year ago)

“A very surreal experience” used to refer to literally anything outside the confines of one’s regular life

― #1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 11:26 (one year ago)

i was just thinking about how when i was a kid one of the worst things you could be called was "conceited". "She is so conceited!". and how i never hear that word anymore. always seemed like a weird word for kids to use. "stuck up" made more sense.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:44 (one year ago)

"I hope this email finds you well."

― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:48 (one year ago)

"He is him" after any athlete makes a fine play in sports

― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:49 (one year ago)

xp "She is so conceited!". usually meant "how DARE she feel good about herself" or "who does she think she is"
if a guy was full of himself it was (ime) usually totally ok, even desirable. i am glad to see all of this fall out of favor. it's so mean and cynical and usually hurled at girls.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:52 (one year ago)

"I hope this email finds you well."

Beginning in late 2020 I started including "Hope you're staying safe and doing well." in most emails. I don't always do that still, but sometimes I do.

― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:59 (one year ago)

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/how-your-email-finds-me-emily-bernstein.jpg

― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:01 (one year ago)

[SITE OF MASSACRE] STRONG

and/or a football game suggesting resilience in the face of mechanized death

― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 November 2023 06:34 (one year ago)

coworker just called me a 'star' and said I'm 'much appreciated' for doing a minor task that's just a part of my job

thought of you guys

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 November 2023 20:16 (one year ago)

'skin in the game'

particularly when used by rich assholes who think there are no taxes apart from that on income and that only those with money should have a say in how they are governed

― mookieproof, Saturday, 4 November 2023 01:56 (one year ago)

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 4 November 2023 03:59 (one year ago)

"tuddy" as slang for touchdown.

it's the same number of syllables and it sounds dumb

and there was nothing wrong with "T-D"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 November 2023 18:07 (one year ago)

When a server at a restaurant asks you if "you're still working on that."

If I thought it was work to eat this, I'd probably go elsewhere.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 13 November 2023 21:30 (one year ago)

more of a pronunciation, but lately have heard ppl stressing the second syllable in "affluent" (rather than the first), and it turns a normal word into a horrible, horrible word

― budo jeru, Monday, 13 November 2023 21:33 (one year ago)

xp idk wouldn't it be rude if the server asked you flat out "are you still eating that?" i think "are you working on that?" serves a purpose in that you can inquire about progress without implying they are taking too long, etc.

― budo jeru, Monday, 13 November 2023 21:34 (one year ago)

i could have written that better but hopefully you understand my point

― budo jeru, Monday, 13 November 2023 21:35 (one year ago)

more waitstaff should be aggressive and dictatorial IMHO

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 November 2023 21:37 (one year ago)

Not advisable since we rely on tips/generosity for our income.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 13 November 2023 22:08 (one year ago)

oh I know, i kid :) (I did it for years, was mediocre at the job and had the wrong temperament for it though).

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 November 2023 22:16 (one year ago)

xxxp I do get the point, and I agree that "Are you still eating that?" is not a great alternative. It's just the idea of "working" on a meal that bugs me. I don't know, it's just an idiosyncrasy of mine.

I don't mind if someone says, "May I take your plate?" I got used to waitstaff in South America asking that; maybe it sounds better in Spanish.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 13 November 2023 23:16 (one year ago)

Fwiw I usually ask “can i get this out of your way?” Bc i don’t like the idea of “working” to eat a delicious meal either.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 00:05 (one year ago)

ppl stressing the second syllable in "affluent"

hmmm, making it nearly indistinguishable from effluent. I approve.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 03:52 (one year ago)

What, you mean the stress is different in "affluent" and "effluent"?

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 07:28 (one year ago)

xps "have you QUITE finished?" in a Mary Poppins voice

― kinder, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 13:19 (one year ago)

I would probably just say “status?”

― Jeff, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 14:00 (one year ago)

"You gonna eat that?"

― jmm, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 14:41 (one year ago)

What, you mean the stress is different in "affluent" and "effluent"?

Eh, fugedaboudit. It was a failed attempt at a convoluted joke.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:17 (one year ago)

Affluenza

Which I quite enjoy.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:24 (one year ago)

SADDLE UP

― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:25 (one year ago)

the name of a really nice bar in Austin!

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 21:51 (one year ago)

One of the best known gay bars in Atlanta is Cowtippers.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 22:43 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

a tale as old as time

― calstars, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 00:30 (one year ago)

dong as long as mine

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 01:07 (one year ago)

"out of interest..."

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 December 2023 22:55 (one year ago)

"I hope this email finds you well."
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 1, 2023 7:48 AM (one month ago)

this also annoys me. i kneejerk dislike phatic content in emails that is totally unlike anything the person sending the email would actually say if you were speaking. As in, I'm not opposed to platitudes in general (it has taken me many years tbh), but that one and any variant of "regards" ... ugh. Just don't.

"How are you?" is fine. "Hope you're hanging in there." is also fine. and at the end ... "Thanks" is fine. "I appreciate you" is the platitude du jour that I get. It kinda annoys me because lol it has so many syllables that it feels like it's trying to do the "value inflation through length" thing? But it's fine.

But really, most of the time, I assume that the person sending the email would feel embarrassed if I was miserable, dealing with a painful illness, or grieving the loss of a loved one when they email me to ask some favor or mundane question. Just get to the point.

― sarahell, Sunday, 3 December 2023 23:32 (one year ago)

sometimes I'm in a really irritable mood when I get these emails and I will say to myself, "your email finds me well, but unfortunately it also finds me too busy to respond to it any time soon"

― sarahell, Sunday, 3 December 2023 23:37 (one year ago)

Sarahell, I find myself saying "I hope you're well," "I hope you're doing well," and "Be well." I think I got attached "well" because it has two meanings: both "not bad" and "not sick." Both meanings have been especially relevant the past few years.

My other unfortunate tic is saying stuff like "very well, carry on," which I am trying to stop saying because I have a close colleague named Carrie. Every time I say "carry on" in her presence, I feel like it sounds like I am instructing to her to continue being herself. Which is stupid because it's not my job to direct her course of action, and she would be doing whatever she was going to do anyway.

Your post makes me even more eager to restrict my mouth. "Take it easy." "Have a good one." "Keep it light."

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 3 December 2023 23:59 (one year ago)

Later, taters. Hang loose. Okey-dokey, artichokey.

Sayonara, capybara.
Ciao, sea cow.
Adios, bonobos.
Later on, reticulated python.
In a while, reptile.
So long, dugong.
See you soon, baboon.
Au revoir, arctic char.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 00:04 (one year ago)

...or, you could take leave of all your colleagues like that: "Kevin on", "keep on Daveing", "Sophie away then"... could really bring some new vibes to the workplace...

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Monday, 4 December 2023 00:07 (one year ago)

For years I have started freelance writing-related emails (aka "I want something from you" emails) with

>>How's it going? Hope you're well.

During the pandemic, this has evolved to

>>How's it going? Hope you're staying safe and doing well.

Lately I've reverted back to the former construction.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 4 December 2023 00:40 (one year ago)

“You’re really Barbara-ing up that spreadsheet”

― calstars, Monday, 4 December 2023 00:42 (one year ago)

Calstars, I believe the most ILXy way to compliment a spreadsheet is to say Excel-sior, but I doubt my colleagues would get it.

Carrie on.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 00:49 (one year ago)

"i appreciate you" is desperate bad stuff, or any version thereof. impossible not to imagine really intense eye contact being evoked.

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2023 00:50 (one year ago)

tell me how to end emails

― brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2023 00:53 (one year ago)

god people are so fucking mean :-(

― brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2023 00:53 (one year ago)

tbh I’d rather be perceived as a heartless asshole than a disingenuous Russell Wilson-esque creep, so I agree with all the pretentious language hate.

― brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2023 00:55 (one year ago)

What about "you raise a good point"* or even "your point is well taken"?

I may be the only person who still says "your point is well taken."

* I have a child who has written "good point" on a piece of paper and hoisted it in the air to communicate "you raise a good point," and I lolled.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 00:58 (one year ago)

"i appreciate you" is desperate bad stuff

lol I said this twice today, once picking up a pizza and again when the UPS store guy printed a receipt for me (no eye contact, sounds closer to preshaychuh in practice)

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 01:07 (one year ago)

also re: email, as an admin in a giant bureaucracy I write thank you emails about 500 times a day every fucking day and after a while you start mixing it up because A. it gets maddeningly boring otherwise and B. just saying "thank you very much" every time begins to read as patronizing/insulting/sarcastic (often I'm thanking people for helping me fix something I fucked up or vice-versa, and you REALLY do not want people to think you're being sarcastic in an email reply, so exaggerated politeness is definitely the way to go with someone you rarely speak to on the phone who may or may not hate your guts as a baseline)

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 01:15 (one year ago)

lol I said this twice today, once picking up a pizza and again when the UPS store guy printed a receipt for me (no eye contact, sounds closer to preshaychuh in practice)

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 01:07 (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

honestly, much better!

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2023 01:21 (one year ago)

"I appreciate you" is in common usage in the southern U.S., it doesn't strike me as objectionable at all.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 01:21 (one year ago)

it's been common usage here for the past few years (not southern US) and it's fine, especially when verbally condensed to something like what f. hazel says.

― sarahell, Monday, 4 December 2023 01:34 (one year ago)

I’ve known a number of bartenders who would say “appreciate you” when being tipped

― calstars, Monday, 4 December 2023 01:46 (one year ago)

was recently and extendedly dealing with a plumber in another state (don't ask)

the woman who answered the phone was all like hi, X's Plumbing, how can i make you smile?

did someone make her do that? idk. it made me want to hang up and call a different plumber though

― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:12 (one year ago)

“By never saying that to another human being again”

― H.P, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:22 (one year ago)

I’d be pretty stoked to get something weird like that tbh

― H.P, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:23 (one year ago)

tbrh "how can I make you smile" sounds vaguely... sex-workery to me.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 4 December 2023 08:30 (one year ago)

Professionally I find myself saying say "How can I support you best?" Or "How can I best support you?"

Sometimes, "How would you like to proceed?" Or "What would you like to have happen?"

None of those phrases are as cutesy-poo as the "smile" one. But when I catch myself saying them I do cringe a bit because they're so mannered and effete.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 13:13 (one year ago)

“How can I help” is good

― calstars, Monday, 4 December 2023 13:16 (one year ago)

"better to have loved and won than never to have ridden a horse"

― | (Latham Green), Monday, 4 December 2023 13:24 (one year ago)

was recently and extendedly dealing with a plumber in another state (don't ask)
the woman who answered the phone was all like hi, X's Plumbing, how can i make you smile?
did someone make her do that? idk. it made me want to hang up and call a different plumber though
― mookieproof, Sunday, December 3, 2023 11:12 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

My daughter is mildly addicted to Chick-Fil-A, which has led me to learn that the official Chick-Fil-A intro script is "how may I serve you," which comes off as creepy to me.

― peace, man, Monday, 4 December 2023 15:02 (one year ago)

i think we can separate out lines service workers are told to say- always awful- from chosen usages in various contexts, right?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:07 (one year ago)

I hope we can all agree that saying "Have a good day" or 'Have a good evening", or whatever, is one Americanism we could do without. I've noticed it's increasingly prevalent with younger generations.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:22 (one year ago)

"thank you for providing me with the requested details and being so thorough. This was very much appreciated.

Hope your family is run over by a train,

Neanderthal"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:29 (one year ago)

I hope we can all agree that saying "Have a good day" or 'Have a good evening", or whatever, is one Americanism we could do without.

I didn't know this was an Americanism. My colleagues in the UK and Australia say "have a good one." What's so wrong with it?

― c u (crüt), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:34 (one year ago)

I always wonder what the one is.

― peace, man, Monday, 4 December 2023 15:36 (one year ago)

orgasm

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:50 (one year ago)

"have a shit"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:51 (one year ago)

“have a blessed good one”

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:07 (one year ago)

Sometimes, "How would you like to proceed?" Or "What would you like to have happen?"

OK, now who's slipping sex-worker talk into non-sex-worker contexts?

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:17 (one year ago)

"Have a good one" is vague enough not to be irritating. "Have a good day" seems kind of personal and intrusive to me, I automatically think, "What the fuck has my day got to do with you? And, frankly, who the fuck are you?"

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:18 (one year ago)

i like it when people are polite to me

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 December 2023 16:18 (one year ago)

I’ve heard ppl complain about it, I must admit I don’t see how it’s different from saying “good morning” eg

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:18 (one year ago)

we can safely assume it's a callback to "have a better one" from Blade Runner

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:19 (one year ago)

"Have a good one" is very big in Montana. I say it every time I pay at the bodega (actually a gas station convenience store; I think if they heard me call it a bodega, a whole other conversation would ensue).

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:19 (one year ago)

I’ve heard ppl complain about it, I must admit I don’t see how it’s different from saying “good morning” eg

Well, "good morning" is a greeting for a start.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:21 (one year ago)

don't "have a good one" and "have a good day" mean literally the same thing?

― c u (crüt), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:24 (one year ago)

Not necessarily.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:25 (one year ago)

Anyway can't two phrases mean the same thing and one be preferable to the other?

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:26 (one year ago)

By the way I'm talking from the viewpoint of someone working in the service sector, not someone using the service sector.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:30 (one year ago)

Budo otm

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:47 (one year ago)

“take care” y/n

― brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2023 17:14 (one year ago)

"thank you for providing me the information I requested. I literally do not care what happens to you after this conversation"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:18 (one year ago)

If wishing someone a good whatever is objectionable per se it should also be objectionable as a greeting

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:20 (one year ago)

I'm sure this has been thrashed out here before. The history of this phrase and its use was that circa 1972 some mega-enormous corporate entity (I forget which) began requiring its retail employees to end all transactions with customers by saying "have a nice day" or else face termination. Their employees' union objected strenuously, not because the phrase was objectionable, but the corporation was treating its employees as automatons and transactions with customers as assembly line products, hence dehumanizing the whole interaction. The issue made the national broadcast news and it prompted a huge amount of social chatter similar to the present discussion on this thread.

btw, the corporation won the battle and very soon most other retailers followed the same path. You couldn't visit a store without being wished a nice day, over and over. Through endless repetition it became lodged in the national psyche and normalized into an "americanism".

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:49 (one year ago)

"gotcha"

― | (Latham Green), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:52 (one year ago)

Maybe just go back to 1991 when the only accepted greeting was:

'Sup?

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:08 (one year ago)

If wishing someone a good whatever is objectionable per se it should also be objectionable as a greeting

Getting silly now.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:11 (one year ago)

When you say "good morning" are you actually wishing someone a good morning? Or are you just saying hello?

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:13 (one year ago)

Either you’re actually wishing someone a good morning (obviously fine) or, as you suggest, it’s a meaningless but benign social custom that you needn’t find offensively presumptuous (also obviously fine), it’s much like “have a good day” in this way

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:20 (one year ago)

"you are welcome to have the quality of day you wish, I do not seek to impose my values upon you,

Neanderthal"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:22 (one year ago)

this conversation is insane, but I concede that some of you definitely are not having a good one

― rob, Monday, 4 December 2023 18:23 (one year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phatic_expression

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:23 (one year ago)

"Good morning" doesn't make me cringe, so there's a difference. Greetings aren't really meaningless are they?

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:28 (one year ago)

And even if they are, they're useful.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:29 (one year ago)

F hazel, don't phat-shame us

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:30 (one year ago)

don't make me tap the signifier

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:32 (one year ago)

Now you all need to go shopping in France.

― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:33 (one year ago)

lol fh delivers as usual

Greetings do serve a purpose, they are a subcategory of phatic expression!

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:34 (one year ago)

passe un bon un

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:36 (one year ago)

i sort of agree with tom d about "have a good day." you can say it with an edge. i think that says something about the phrase.

i like a "take care" in the right moment, and i often sign my emails with "best," cuz i'm a live laugh love / wine mom kinda guy.

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:43 (one year ago)

By the way I'm talking from the viewpoint of someone working in the service sector, not someone using the service sector.

I work in customer service.

― c u (crüt), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:44 (one year ago)

I use the “cheers” signoff with gleeful incontinence

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:45 (one year ago)

Just decided early on I would be a cheers guy and never looked back

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:45 (one year ago)

better than using the cheers signoff with fecal incontinence at least

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:46 (one year ago)

talking to people is hard enough without the ILX vibe police telling me the way I talk is annoying so I'm just going to ignore everything in this thread

― c u (crüt), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:46 (one year ago)

I use the “cheers” signoff with gleeful incontinence

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, December 4, 2023 6:45 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i use "cheers" from time to time, a throwback to my wannabe anglophile youth

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:47 (one year ago)

I think in British English one can say "good morning" in a way that means "goodbye, you are dismissed, and get out of my office and also fuck off and possibly die."

That is not an American usage. In the US we only use it as an initial greeting.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:47 (one year ago)

idk I lay on the "have a great rest of your day" thick mostly because I was a prickly asshole when I was initially promoted to a manager back in 2006 and had a big desire to atone for that as I got older and realized what an asshole I had become. I wanted to become a more approachable person, so greetings and goodbyes like that entered my vernacular because they at least gave the impression that I'm a friendlier person now and not going to bite their head off for unnecessarily hostile reasons anymore.

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:49 (one year ago)

I think in British English one can say "good morning" in a way that means "goodbye, you are dismissed, and get out of my office and also fuck off and possibly die."

That is not an American usage. In the US we only use it as an initial greeting.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, December 4, 2023 1:47 PM bookmarkflaglink

this was one of the central plot points of that Will Ferrell and Ryan Reynolds Christmas movie from last year iirc

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:49 (one year ago)

I work in customer service.

So do I and you're completely misunderstanding my point. I don't hate if someone in customer service says it to me, I don't even notice it tbh, I hate when a "customer" says it to me.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:54 (one year ago)

A simple "Thanks" is all I need.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:55 (one year ago)

Also it sounds stupid when British people say it!

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:59 (one year ago)

why don't you go ahead and have a nice day, now

― kinder, Monday, 4 December 2023 19:07 (one year ago)

but i had a nice day yesterday! variety is the spice of life!

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:08 (one year ago)

You're due an absolute fucker of a day next Thursday

Cheers then!

― kinder, Monday, 4 December 2023 19:08 (one year ago)

Bless

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:14 (one year ago)

i say cheers

full disclosure i say "stay well" to finish a lot of my human transactions tho

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:24 (one year ago)

Lang may yer lum reek

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:34 (one year ago)

May the thousand little gods bless you

Good luck in all your endeavors

Peace out

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:45 (one year ago)

catch la later cum rag

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:48 (one year ago)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/936/173/77e.jpg

― Hideous Lump, Monday, 4 December 2023 19:57 (one year ago)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/936/173/77e.jpg

― Hideous Lump, Monday, 4 December 2023 19:57 (one year ago)

lol

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 20:09 (one year ago)

So many phrases, particularly at work, fall under the broad umbrella of phatic speech. 'Aight' 'morning' 'good weekend?' 'you're a star' 'don't be a cunt!' 'is that your piss on the bog seat?' - it's mostly just oil to keep the good vibe machine greased innit.

I might start ululating in a positive tone instead, see if anyone notices.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:14 (one year ago)

more workplaces need yodeling

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:17 (one year ago)

i think we've talked about "at this time" before. i've now started using it with my cat i.e. "no treat services are being provided at this time."

― ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:19 (one year ago)

We have decided to go in a different direction.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:23 (one year ago)

The bastard cousin of that British petit bourgeois phrase ‘as yet’.

― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:23 (one year ago)

'Heretofore'.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:24 (one year ago)

A word that instantly makes me think of "Murder Mystery" by the Velvet Underground.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:37 (one year ago)

I prefer the Cocteausian "hitherto" instead

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 22:43 (one year ago)

"Best," has always somewhat puzzled and amused me - when I was a student, my Uni tutor from some weird exotic country (Canada) emailed me with it and I thought he had made a typo.
Like, best what? Wishes? Regards? George? I admire the fact that you didn't even need to decide or specify. Just BEST, whatevs

― kinder, Monday, 4 December 2023 23:29 (one year ago)

just say "besta é tu" and tell your boss it's an old Brazilian saying

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 December 2023 23:41 (one year ago)

LOL we actually say "stay fresh, cheese bags" all the time to each other in my house.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 4 December 2023 23:45 (one year ago)

I'm going to start saying "stay frosty, frozen peas" because I don't think we have these cheese bags in America, but I like the concept

― sarahell, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 05:11 (one year ago)

I've met a few cheezebags in America...

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 06:28 (one year ago)

brain fart

― grid yr lions (Pillbox), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 08:50 (one year ago)

^ so disgustingly gross

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 09:45 (one year ago)

A coworker I've worked with for 13 years started saying "I appreciate you" this year. I know she's being nice but I find it weird. "I appreciate it" has worked fine for so long, why get schmaltzy...

― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 12:34 (one year ago)

lol kinder i didn't realise I'd emailed you for work. Ftr I mean a slightly more businesslike and less greetings cardy version of 'best wishes', but death of the author and all that, other interpretations are available

― Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 12:42 (one year ago)

and note to self, quoting is square brackets q, not b.

― Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 12:43 (one year ago)

I abandoned my Spotify Wrapped a few slides in, the blurb was too painful.

― nashwan, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 12:44 (one year ago)

est

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 12:44 (one year ago)

brain fart

― grid yr lions (Pillbox), Tuesday, December 5, 2023 3:50 AM bookmarkflaglink

^ so disgustingly gross

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, December 5, 2023 4:45 AM bookmarkflaglink

i knew someone who used to claim they had "poo brain", which irritated me slightly more than that

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 15:08 (one year ago)

it’s short for “all the best”

― brimstead, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:10 (one year ago)

Warmly,
Brimstead

― brimstead, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:10 (one year ago)

My therapist uses "Warm regards." From him, it fits. I tried to use it once and the recipient made fun of me.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:12 (one year ago)

I used to just put "Regards" but someone told me I might just as well sign off with "Go fuck yourself" although tbf a lot of the time I probably did mean that. now on the extremely rare occasion I write an email I just put my name, or "Thanks" if it was responding to someone doing something for me

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:15 (one year ago)

You can use any of the signoffs, they’re all fine — ppl are trying to trick you with the Emily post bullshit but everyone knows it can’t possibly matter

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:19 (one year ago)

I like to end work emails with "love and kisses, Blue Pacific signing off"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:20 (one year ago)

lol I just used 'regards' in an email today, I didn't realize it sounds catty or cold

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:25 (one year ago)

I almost always go with "Best regards" for business. "Sincerely" is OK, but somehow it carries the idea that I might not be sincere. I avoid "Very truly yours" like the plague.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:28 (one year ago)

i use "regards" or "cheers" most of the time but i'm thinking of switching my game up now i know how many different sign offs i can use to enrage people

― Honnest Brish Face (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:34 (one year ago)

Yr most hmble & obt Svt

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:36 (one year ago)

smell ya later,

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:40 (one year ago)

your very own mister please please himself,

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:02 (one year ago)

lads ye presumably know what type of relationship ye have with each email recipient cmon

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:15 (one year ago)

Yeah you gotta dial it in

Sometimes no sign off at all, it all depends

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:20 (one year ago)

If everyone is henceforth required always to respond to complete strangers or people with whom one has only a brief temporary or tenuous acquaintance in such a way that guarantees they will always respond positively then society as a whole would be better off embracing agoraphobia and never leaving the house.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:24 (one year ago)

It irks me how often I see customer reviews of restaurants that use the word "fresh." It's like that's what they think critics would say or something, but it's used just so ... uselessly. "The sushi was so fresh." "The soup was really fresh." "The chicken was fresh." Whatever. How often does anyone go out to eat and find the food *not* fresh? "The lettuce was brown and slimy." "The fish was rotten."

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:25 (one year ago)

I used to just put "Regards" but someone told me I might just as well sign off with "Go fuck yourself"

You should try that.

― Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:27 (one year ago)

xp no i think they mean like it was fly, bro

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:28 (one year ago)

I wish. "The pad thai was funky fresh."

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:29 (one year ago)

xxxp

could it mean fresh as opposed to reheated frozen food?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:29 (one year ago)

Maybe! But how would a customer know? Like, here's a line from a review of a local Thai place I like. "The food took a bit long to get to the table but tasted really fresh and delicious." I get "delicious" but what does "tasted really fresh" mean? Another review of the same place: "Delicious, tasty and fresh with great portions enough to share." And another: "Food was excellent, fresh and tasty definitely will go back." These were just from the first couple I read. Now, of the same place in a different review: "Shrimp had probably been cooked when it was frozen as it was mushy on the outside and tough on the inside." So: not fresh! That's actually helpful.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:43 (one year ago)

Fresh is definitely an adjective you want associated with sushi.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:50 (one year ago)

And you can definitely taste fresh vs. not fresh fish.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:50 (one year ago)

fresh = doesn't taste froxen

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:57 (one year ago)

oope frozen

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:57 (one year ago)

Froxen sounds cooler

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 22:58 (one year ago)

might it be that diners who extol 'freshness' have perhaps had experiences with not-so-fresh dishes? I've certainly had a few dodgy plates in my time

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:30 (one year ago)

my foodie best friend knows instantly when food is 'off'.

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:37 (one year ago)

could it mean fresh as opposed to reheated frozen food?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, December 5, 2023 4:29 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe! But how would a customer know?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, December 5, 2023 4:43 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

...

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:41 (one year ago)

Oh, I get it. But the number of times I've eaten out and had food I would consider "not fresh" I would maybe count on ... a few (memorable) fingers? Most of the time the food I eat tastes fine, and aside from a salad, maybe, would rarely make me proclaim its freshness. That's why I think it's a lot more useful to a describe a meal or dish as "not fresh," because most of the time it's well within the range of what I would consider "fresh."

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:59 (one year ago)

Many xps but I prefer think "best" is short for "best wishes." Or "I wish you all the best."

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 00:01 (one year ago)

this thread has been some “good medicine”.

― brimstead, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 00:33 (one year ago)

“Be Best”
(Slovenian accent)

― Tapioca by Jean Sibelius (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 00:54 (one year ago)

lol i forgot about that one

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 00:58 (one year ago)

"Have the day you deserve"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 02:20 (one year ago)

"Live this day as though it were the last day of your life."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 02:25 (one year ago)

"Did you need help taking this out to your car? No? Then let your light proceed into the world and be a joy to all."

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 02:36 (one year ago)

I used to sometimes ride a bus where the driver would get to the last stop and say "this is the day the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it."

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 03:31 (one year ago)

that bus driver sounds like what we would now call a Total Chad

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 05:56 (one year ago)

"i, as we all are, am an agent of the inevitable,"

that would be a good neutral sign off

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 09:28 (one year ago)

"You are a part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor,

Neanderthal"

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 14:38 (one year ago)

a simple "watch your back" would be effective and to the point

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 14:57 (one year ago)

I use "All the best" as a secret reference to a Paul McCartney & Wings greatest hits record I used to own.

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:17 (one year ago)

Gird your loins

Or, alternatively:

Grid your lions

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:18 (one year ago)

I use "All the best" as a secret reference to a Paul McCartney & Wings greatest hits record I used to own.

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, December 6, 2023 10:17 AM bookmarkflaglink

lmao the first tape my dad ever dubbed me a copy of, because he was trying to make me a Macca/Beatles fan

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:20 (one year ago)

the fast food version of "fresh" means cooked to order or very recently prepped, as opposed to the off days when mcdonalds would have a half-dozen quarter pounders sitting there in a warming tray for tens of minutes that they'd serve to you as opposed to assembling one on demand

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:23 (one year ago)

lol yeah "par stocking" they call that, if I recall correctly from my ARby's days.

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:27 (one year ago)

I worked at the McDonald's drive thru as a kid, and we used to punish people that ordered any variation from stock, like no pickles or no mustard: "Go park over there! It's gonna be a few minutes"

HOWEVER: because of that, they got a fresh burger rather than one that had been sitting under a heat lamp for a half hour

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 17:57 (one year ago)

A Waygu beef Big Mac plz

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 17:58 (one year ago)

what if sitting under the heat lamp for a half hour makes it taste better?

― Honnest Brish Face (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 18:01 (one year ago)

That's some Flaming Homer magic

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 18:05 (one year ago)

the burger van that blessed the back of the nightclub down the island in the mid nineties would keep the cheeseburgers made and wrapped in a bain marie for an hour or more ready to serve us hungry animals at the 3am rush and lads ye can keeo yr wagyu afaic

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 18:40 (one year ago)

I am only ordering Waygu to be cool

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 19:44 (one year ago)

Dammit sp? AGAIN

― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 19:45 (one year ago)

"*checks notes*"

It's on the same level as "well, this is awkward", "I did a thing", "umm so that just happened", "did i just say that out loud?". Looking forward to its shelf life finally passing

― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 10:09 (one year ago)

"...and I'm here for it"

― Sam Weller, Monday, 11 December 2023 11:54 (one year ago)

I like “checks notes”, it’s a way of achieving comic timing in text which is otherwise hard. Used out of that context it’s twee, granted.

― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 11 December 2023 11:58 (one year ago)

It might be good for timing but it’s so overdone that it just feels lazy at this point. Someone posted about this itt in 2018 so I’m late to the party in being a hater!

― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 12:24 (one year ago)

it belongs along with all the rest in the jordan and peele sketch

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 11 December 2023 12:45 (one year ago)

Both Jordan and Peele? How delightful!

― peace, man, Monday, 11 December 2023 14:24 (one year ago)

Both Jordan and Peele? How delightful!

― peace, man, Monday, 11 December 2023 14:24 (one year ago)

dammit i knew that wasnt right and all when i was typing it

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 11 December 2023 14:36 (one year ago)

"consume media"
fuck off, i'm completing art.

― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 02:44 (one year ago)

I forget if this one's aleady done under the fold and I cbf opening the whole thread, but "edit", used to mean "a collection of clothing styles". Wha?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 02:57 (one year ago)

thank you

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 08:02 (one year ago)

Never heard that...
Like: "Walmart released their winter edit yesterday"?

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 12:30 (one year ago)

"Shop the edit" annoys me no end, and they all do it!

― kinder, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 13:29 (one year ago)

what if i want to shop the extended dub remix

― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 16:10 (one year ago)

the word Christmas annoys me a lot this time every year for no other reason other than hearing it so damn much as an adjective 100 times a day.

Christmas sweater, Christmas movie, Christmas music, Christmas tradition, Christmas spirit, Christmas party, Christmas special, Christmas dinner, Christmas rimjob, Christmas, Christmas, Christmas.

fully aware that this is a 'me' thing and that it's dumb but I think it's the awkward hissy "s"'s that grate on me.

― Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:00 (one year ago)

Christmas rimjob

wait WUT?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:10 (one year ago)

The Jewish equivalent? Purimjobs.

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:34 (one year ago)

The Muslim equivalent? Ramadanal.

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:35 (one year ago)

Hanukass

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:38 (one year ago)

(This thread is almost ready for its 20th anniversary. Incidentally, I don't feel the same about 'veggie' as I did in 2003)

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:42 (one year ago)

Have you had your Christmas fuck yet?

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 03:08 (one year ago)

at the point now where I'm filled with quiet rage when I see people type out 'lmfao' in the middle of sentences. I know they are not convulsed with laughter 99.9999% of the time. if they are then there is something wrong with them.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 18:11 (one year ago)

what if i want to shop the extended dub remix

Seriously! What actually is being edited? Are there items that have profanity that are on some harder to get to page… maybe on sale?

― sarahell, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:15 (one year ago)

Never heard that...
Like: "Walmart released their winter edit yesterday"?

Yes!!! Exactly like that! Thank you kinder and tracer for sharing my antipathy!

― sarahell, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:17 (one year ago)

Hearing this in my head to the tune (if that's the right word for it) of "Yes, I received your letter yesterday" from Desolation Row.

― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:23 (one year ago)

saying "edit" when the expected word is "collection" is a guaranteed way to draw attention. but, so is farting in a crowded elevator.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:33 (one year ago)

Do people still call records "platters"

― Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:46 (one year ago)

‘Edit’ drives me nuts even when used properly to mean ‘one fashion editor’s picks from a designer’s collection/pieces seen at Fashion Week/stuff sent to the magazine this month’ but it is like nothing compared to the annoyance I feel for ‘curated’.

― steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:50 (one year ago)

This may have been addressed upthread--in fact, it probably was--but the use of the shortened "thx" in lieu of "thanks," especially in emails, bugs the shit out of me. Is it really that much more effort to type six letters instead of three?

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:51 (one year ago)

yes, indubitably

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:57 (one year ago)

indubs

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:03 (one year ago)

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:05 (one year ago)

"Ta" is only two letters

― Nine Inch Males (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:07 (one year ago)

As a U.S. resident, I would be rightly excoriated as a pretentious ass for using "ta" in virtually any context.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:09 (one year ago)

you can use the remaining unused letters to add “hun”

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:09 (one year ago)

As a U.S. resident, I would be rightly excoriated as a pretentious ass for using "ta" in virtually any context.

You say that but I was listening to a Johnny Guitar Watson album literally last night and this album included the fine song, "I Want to Ta-Ta You Baby". The only problem is "ta-ta" means goodbye but Johnny was definitely intent on saying "thank you".

― Nine Inch Males (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:14 (one year ago)

The use of the word "ta-tas" also irritates me.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:16 (one year ago)

As in, "She has a great pair of ta-tas."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:16 (one year ago)

men are pigs

― Left, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:37 (one year ago)

Dogs, more like, I think.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:38 (one year ago)

thanks is twice as much effort as thx and it doesn't even have an x in it

― Left, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:39 (one year ago)

These threads have me convinced Americans move through life all “fellas is it pretentious to drink from a glass”

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:52 (one year ago)

Haha, not sure about that, but using an expression that is known to Americans primarily, if not exclusively, because it is used in other Anglophone countries would surely count as pretentious.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 21:03 (one year ago)

in a world where phones automatically fill in the word it thinks you want to say, it couldn't be more obv that abbreviated internet slang is an expression of tone more than convenience. i will exasperatedly delete "thanks" three times if the convo requires the tossed-off casualness of "thx" (i don't really use thx, but i use similar for reasons i assume are the same as thxers)

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 20 December 2023 21:39 (one year ago)

but if someone has really magnificent ta-tas then how do you say it, idgi

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 21:59 (one year ago)

a wazzell pair of jugs if i recall my bottom quotes correctly

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 22:01 (one year ago)

The term "cans" has always amused me because it's not at all desciptive.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 22:04 (one year ago)

'sweet rack' also functions well

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 22:05 (one year ago)

is it correct to assume that 'bodacious ta-tas' is a reference to the legendary Queen Boudica?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 22:07 (one year ago)

should be singular iirc

― rob, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 22:08 (one year ago)

I assume the person who came up with "ta-tas" did so because they were doubly thankful

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 22:39 (one year ago)

"one is free with one" iirc

― sarahell, Thursday, 21 December 2023 01:18 (one year ago)

i didn't rc

many benifits of boobs poll

― sarahell, Thursday, 21 December 2023 01:19 (one year ago)

‘Edit’ drives me nuts even when used properly to mean ‘one fashion editor’s picks from a designer’s collection/pieces seen at Fashion Week/stuff sent to the magazine this month’ but it is like nothing compared to the annoyance I feel for ‘curated’.

Yes. There is a very narrow list of things a person can be said to have curated without them sounding like an insufferable ass.

― Sam Weller, Thursday, 21 December 2023 08:36 (one year ago)

if any tbh

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 December 2023 09:50 (one year ago)

Erykah Badu uses nay-nays iirc, which sound like they should be the opposite of ta-tas, and yet...

― fetter, Thursday, 21 December 2023 10:45 (one year ago)

Cans for boobs is hilarious to me as is can for the bathroom.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 21 December 2023 10:56 (one year ago)

Big Honkers great because it’s both descriptive and prescriptive

― H.P, Thursday, 21 December 2023 10:59 (one year ago)

I’ve started incorporating “take a slash” into my vocab every now and then and it’s getting me some serious looks

― H.P, Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:01 (one year ago)

It's taken this long in my life to check that Ya-Yas are not boobs in Get Yer Ya-Yas Out.

― Alba, Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:15 (one year ago)

My co-worker, who is in her 50s, insits on telling us when she needs a "tinkle". I HATE when adults say things like that, "potty", or "little girls room". So weird.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:50 (one year ago)

Just say toilet or bathroom ffs.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:50 (one year ago)

I hate "poo".

― Nine Inch Males (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:50 (one year ago)

xps: Until this very moment, I thought it meant to expend your energy. "Football practice really gives my son a chance to get his ya-ya's out."

― peace, man, Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:51 (one year ago)

xpost - yeah, same

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:54 (one year ago)

If "edit" drives you nuts in a fashion context, how do you manage not to get riled up with constant communiques from couturiers in their ateliers , describing curated collections in a shared language of fashion that encodes individually through their own cultural perspective, which finesse urban attire and accessories that resonate on the street whilst celebrating and acknowledging traditional perspectives?

― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Thursday, 21 December 2023 14:13 (one year ago)

brb gotta go tink tink

― Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 December 2023 14:52 (one year ago)

"I was hysterical crying"

― Josefa, Thursday, 21 December 2023 15:04 (one year ago)

crying rn

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 December 2023 15:14 (one year ago)

My co-worker, who is in her 50s, insits on telling us when she needs a "tinkle". I HATE when adults say things like that, "potty", or "little girls room". So weird.

Seriously! Even my prim almost 80-year old mother will say bathroom

― sarahell, Thursday, 21 December 2023 17:14 (one year ago)

And being elderly, she has to go quite frequently

― sarahell, Thursday, 21 December 2023 17:15 (one year ago)

"has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever"

No.

― H.P, Friday, 22 December 2023 05:02 (one year ago)

that's a good one yes

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 22 December 2023 14:06 (one year ago)

have we mentioned "literally" yet?

― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 22 December 2023 14:10 (one year ago)

A couple decades ago I think

― H.P, Friday, 22 December 2023 14:56 (one year ago)

But it’s always worth repeating

― H.P, Friday, 22 December 2023 14:57 (one year ago)

I have no idea what my mates son is talking about when he keeps calling me a 'Sigma' and saying 'Skibidi toilet'

― Ste, Friday, 22 December 2023 15:17 (one year ago)

I discovered Skibidi Toilet when researching the renewed interest in "Everybody Wants To The Rule The World" for our podcast. It's massive; it's deeply weird.

― mike t-diva, Saturday, 23 December 2023 17:44 (one year ago)

I just googled Skibildi Toilet. I usually hear about these things from my kids, but this one is new to me.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 23 December 2023 17:46 (one year ago)

"I was hysterical crying"

I can't decide whether I love or hate the phrase "ugly crying."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 23 December 2023 17:56 (one year ago)

"Preshiaychuh" is contagious. I'm catching myself saying it more and more.

― jmm, Sunday, 24 December 2023 19:49 (one year ago)

Jealous of people that can do any other form of crying

― H.P, Sunday, 24 December 2023 23:41 (one year ago)

But yes, it’s a bad adjective. It either shames or romanticises crying, neither of which are good

― H.P, Sunday, 24 December 2023 23:42 (one year ago)

it's a particular type of crying tho ... idk, i think it's okay

― sarahell, Monday, 25 December 2023 03:22 (one year ago)

I dry cry a lot during sensory overload.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 25 December 2023 03:38 (one year ago)

it's a particular type of crying tho ... idk, i think it's okay
― sarahell, Monday, 25 December 2023 1:22 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Is ugly crying different than sobbing? Genuine question

― H.P, Monday, 25 December 2023 03:54 (one year ago)

I get involuntary moisture at the slightest hint of intense emotion - whether negative, positive, or anywhere in between. I don't usually do "ugly crying," but I have a handkerchief with me at all times. Sometimes I need to pretend I'm adjusting my glasses or suffering from allergies. But if I could have my tear ducts removed, I'd be tempted.

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 25 December 2023 05:03 (one year ago)

Personally, I love crying

― H.P, Monday, 25 December 2023 05:09 (one year ago)

I'm with you YMP.
Also I'm pretty sure Laura Dern is the founder of ugly crying.

― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 25 December 2023 07:41 (one year ago)

modern-day people insisting on referring to a sea-going vessel as 'she'

see also the fatherland, mother russia, and supposedly that the russians call their boats 'he'

i mean 'homeland security' is some crazy fascist shit but small mercies in that it's not quite gendered

― mookieproof, Thursday, 28 December 2023 02:29 (one year ago)

shecurity

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 28 December 2023 03:44 (one year ago)

Heinrich Herler

― sarahell, Thursday, 28 December 2023 04:26 (one year ago)

Surely this one has been done before, but it bears repeating imho

"pre-owned"

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 30 December 2023 20:43 (one year ago)

I guess some things have been owned but not used

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 31 December 2023 02:30 (one year ago)

I never realised how ugly that word was til now. It was worth repeating

― H.P, Sunday, 31 December 2023 03:24 (one year ago)

pre-boarding

h/t george carlin

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 31 December 2023 11:07 (one year ago)

Idgi — what’s wrong w pre-owned? It means “not brand new” and I always figured it was shorthand for “previously owned”?

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 31 December 2023 14:54 (one year ago)

I think the complaint is that it’s often a substitute for saying “used” and the baggage that entails for some

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 31 December 2023 17:55 (one year ago)

which I guess Moodles said. I’m in my pre-literacy part of the day

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 31 December 2023 17:56 (one year ago)

Frankly I find the word “used” far more objectionable than “pre-owned” — it feeds into a purity narrative that I’m not here for tbh

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 31 December 2023 18:10 (one year ago)

"come to Honest Lennie's Seduced and Abandoned Cars, off I-84 exit 5".

― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 31 December 2023 18:43 (one year ago)

they mean exactly the same thing and theres literally no baggage

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 December 2023 20:35 (one year ago)

TS: used chewing gum vs. pre-owned chewing gum

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 31 December 2023 20:41 (one year ago)

secondhand is the word you need!

― budo jeru, Sunday, 31 December 2023 20:48 (one year ago)

"pre-owned" definitely gives me lionel hutz vibes but ymmv

― budo jeru, Sunday, 31 December 2023 20:49 (one year ago)

Frankly I find the word “used” far more objectionable than “pre-owned” — it feeds into a purity narrative that I’m not here for tbh

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, December 31, 2023 12:10 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just think of it more as a detox story

― budo jeru, Sunday, 31 December 2023 20:51 (one year ago)

mmv based on not knowing who lionel hutz is i guess?

i also think "used" does have baggage but ultimately pre-owned is fine and there is nothing wrong with it

happy new year

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 31 December 2023 20:55 (one year ago)

agree with LL, pre-owned is fine. we have a lot of "pre-loved" here which actually is the worst when I think about it

― kinder, Sunday, 31 December 2023 21:21 (one year ago)

what about pre-pwned

― ꙮ (map), Sunday, 31 December 2023 23:31 (one year ago)

Pre-own the libs

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 January 2024 06:04 (one year ago)

Stoner rock excluding anything pre 1990 which seems inherently revisionist. Goes directly against the nature of what's described.
& seems ahistorical, like.

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 09:01 (one year ago)

you have utterly lost me

― mookieproof, Monday, 1 January 2024 09:38 (one year ago)

Stoner Rock which is basically a scene where musicians who grew up on punk & metal rediscover the music sprouting in the wake of the post Hendrix paradigm shift. That is to say heavy guitar rock with distortion dating from the late 60s/early 70s and seeming like distortion/effects are covering up for lack of technique. So like a later garage rock but heavier and feeding off heavier directions popular bands were heading in.
Tying in with the synecdoche of Black Sabbath but also covering a load of other similarly heavy bands.
An influence that is pretty audible in the sound these purists are listening to. But this tourism appears to cut off the roots by placing a safekeeping date of 1990 to place when the sound was born. I think it's inherently retro but reworked in new ways which is a crucial step in most genre definition or differentiation I guess. But I thought most people with understanding recognised the roots.
Instead of which here there just seems to be a supposition that that old stuff is worthless cos it ain't Stoner Rock TM.
Whereas knowing the older stuff and its influence I'm dumbfounded by the ignorance. I thought people into the newer stuff recognised what it took from the older. But am seeing a lot of gaslighting happening.
So hope that's a bit clearer

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 10:12 (one year ago)

autocorrect playing chinese whispers
But this tourism appears to cut off the roots by placing a safekeeping date of 1990 to place when the sound was born.

was written as
But this But this purism appears to cut off the roots by placing a gatekeeping date of 1990 to place when the sound was born.

which means it excludes the basic building blocks the music is based in.

Rejects Blue Cheer, Stooges, Mc5 and vehemently early Pink Floyd all of which were touchstones early on. I think very audible ones.

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 13:03 (one year ago)

where are the people who are acting like things didn’t exist pre-1990

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 1 January 2024 16:55 (one year ago)

Steve Hoffman. I am viewing their comments with disbelief. Knowing that the chronology is simply wrong. & the amount of direct influence from an earlier era is one of the main differentiations that make it Stoner Rock.

Also aware that people have used the term for decades. Has been used to cover the bands of influence as well as those influenced for most of the time I've been familiar with it. But its being acted as though this is a specific genre that absolutely excludes any of that music. So they're going to be very annoyed with you if you ever do.

As I remember it I was picking up the turn of the 70s material with that term in mind. & more of it was being reissued to cater to a market/audience showing interest in it. Si companies who had mainly been reissuing mid 60s garage and freakbeat & early psychedelia were putting out things from a while later. Though could be wrong there and things were already being released from early 70s by Repertoire etc. Found Stackwaddy Bugger Off in an HMV sale in like 93 and not sure when the trend to things like that reappearing started. Do see that cd was 1990.
& that there were a number of trends looking at heavy 60s things already underway. Grunge was around since mid 80s, Butthole Surfers were around utilising influences from that era. Black Flag became sludgy in early 84 and passed the influence on. Flipper wewre doing their own thing with influence as were the Swans though not sure how obvious the Stooges fixation was there.

Stoner Rock appears to have been a term that was used loosely for a long while. Seems to be a belief that it fappred in the universe with a specific narrow reference on a specific date.
I don't believe it.

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 17:42 (one year ago)

so they created a specific genre classification that they call “stoner rock” that seems ahistorical and overly specific chronologically in a way that doesn’t align with your interpretation of the phrase.

got it, sounds annoying

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 1 January 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

seems to disown audible influences is one big part of it too.
Which had been recognised for years. & turn up in descriptions of the music as it was becoming popular.

Like can see genre descriptions changing over time but this seems to disown what makes the genre and substitutes something vague to allow the year zero cut off. Which is just false.

reminds me of if somebody said rockabilly started with Brian Setzer and therefore didn't include Charlie Feathers.

Or Ska started with the Specials included the Untouchables but don't mention Prince Buster

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:07 (one year ago)

people are saying “milktoast” on social media today and I’m not even mad, just amused

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:42 (one year ago)

I thought there was a 2nd syllable so it was milkytoast but not sure I've heard it said just read it.

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:47 (one year ago)

& surely blaspheming Detroit dunt is something that every decent person should take a stand against.

milkytoast seems so onomatopaeic dunnit?

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:52 (one year ago)

I think it's just pronounced "milktoast."

I googled it and apparently it comes from the comic strip character Caspar Milquetoast, who was named after milk toast, which was a thing people actually ate. So it's not that surprising if the word has reverted to its original spelling.

― Lily Dale, Monday, 1 January 2024 19:01 (one year ago)

ok now I’m irritated

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 1 January 2024 19:18 (one year ago)

point with Stoner Rock is that quite contrary to it having been created to have a specific meaning it was a term that had been around for years. It had a usage that appears to have been reduced heavily if this 1990 thing is to be believed, which just seems to be made up.
& any usage reflecting its actual origins gets treated like its a new invention.
Meanwhile the legacy of those origins remains as its most distinctive feature.

But its been treated like it miraculously appeared from a vacuum Despite audible influences and cover versions of songs by the bands those audible influences come from remaining. But any recognition of that is respoinded to in a gaslighting way. Like that's what was made up.
seems a bit deluded and far from erudite.

― Stevo, Monday, 1 January 2024 20:17 (one year ago)

So it's not that surprising if the word has reverted to its original spelling.

I had no idea it had.

― The Italian Yob (Tom D.), Monday, 1 January 2024 20:21 (one year ago)

Helmet spelled it 'milquetoast' on their classic track from the album Betty

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 14:57 (one year ago)

so I think all other spellings are actually banned by Geneva convention

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 14:57 (one year ago)

"Pre-owned" just smacks of euphemism and marketing-speak to me.

"Previously owned" would be more accurate and far less objectionable.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:21 (one year ago)

I was going to get pedantic and then just did a 180 -- I think you're correct. Pre-owned only makes sense as a shortening of "previously owned" (which is the common usage) because pre-owned would literally mean it's in a state where it's never progressed to ownership?

language is terrible

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:29 (one year ago)

Owned before it was owned

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:34 (one year ago)

"We have owned this for you."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:40 (one year ago)

I will never be owned nor log off, etc

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:53 (one year ago)

I don't want a pre-owned car... do you have any that are factory-refurbished?

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:02 (one year ago)

unfortunately the december to remember event does not offer a discount on l/certified vehicles

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:36 (one year ago)

I have a new one: general social media accounts that say things with the royal we. "we don't deserve dogs". "we are so blessed to have x". speak for your fucking self, general boring instagram meme account!

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:38 (one year ago)

I like them when comments are enabled, because I delight in responses like "I deserve my dog"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:52 (one year ago)

we trolled you haha

― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:53 (one year ago)

I've already accepted FB's rapid descent into "<xx> tells you the correct way to live and any deviations get you the wall"

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:14 (one year ago)

honestly no one deserves one of my dogs, she is an unbearable shit

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:35 (one year ago)

In connection with irritating social media memes, I really hate the fake authority and the bloated self-importance of “Ok - let’s do it: let’s have the conversation on x”.

― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:12 (one year ago)

buckle up kiddoes

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:29 (one year ago)

tbf long threads by specialists are maybe the best thing about twitter but yeah the tone is rly bad sometimes

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:33 (one year ago)

buckles up. drives to grocery store. unbuckles. buys bread and milk. buckles up again. drives home.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:35 (one year ago)

I don't mind threads by specialists. I read quite a few of em.

I mind people who aren't specialists sharing threads by "specialists" and just saying "This!", and then the person they cited turns out not to be an expert and then said poster starts fighting with people who know something about the topic responding critically about the inaccuracies of whatever was shared.

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:57 (one year ago)

"Pre-" phrases in general bug me bcs the "pre-" is usually redundant. Pre-sliced ham is sliced ham, to pre-heat an oven is to heat it, pre-booking is booking etc etc. Pre-owned is at least an exception to this.

― fetter, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:03 (one year ago)

Pre-approved, however, does not mean approved!

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:04 (one year ago)

pre-heat at least makes some sense because you are heating before putting food in

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:23 (one year ago)

eliminate unnecessary posts

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:44 (one year ago)

Aimless trapped in car in home driveway with curdling milk

― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:52 (one year ago)

pre-curdled

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:57 (one year ago)

Which, tbf, is cottage cheese

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:57 (one year ago)

I could do with some more pre-posting

― H.P, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 23:03 (one year ago)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/285/Screen_Shot_2021-05-19_at_12.24.40_PM.jpg

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 23:23 (one year ago)

- rob marlboro

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 23:50 (one year ago)

I have a peeled banana. Also, an unpeeled banana.

What picture does that conjure up?

― Mark G, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 11:51 (one year ago)

Velvets 1st lp innit

― Stevo, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 12:08 (one year ago)

I buy my bananas pre-peeled

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 15:09 (one year ago)

is it possible to pre-wipe your ass

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 16:37 (one year ago)

Let's ask Owl.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 16:41 (one year ago)

People using 'genocide' as a verb....fucking stop

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 6 January 2024 19:56 (one year ago)

Also coronate / coronated. You can just say crown / crowned.

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 6 January 2024 23:04 (one year ago)

I thought of this scene from "In the Loop" where someone tells Malcolm Tucker that he hates the phrase "the bottom line" that Malcolm just used (don't stop watching until at least 0:40):
https://www.traileraddict.com/in-the-loop/the-bottom-line

― ernestp, Saturday, 6 January 2024 23:41 (one year ago)

'threading the needle' is having a moment in media-speak, especially in U.S. politics

I don't necessarily mind it, just interesting to hear how these phrases can catch on for awhile

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 00:40 (one year ago)

i tried to invite people to my crowning but for some reason nobody wanted to come

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 03:25 (one year ago)

how dialated?

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 03:31 (one year ago)

"the math ain't mathing"

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 21:54 (one year ago)

Karen as a pejorative needs to be retired

― H.P, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:00 (one year ago)

Not for any regretful feelings towards those born with the name, but because it's now being used for anytime anyone complains (whether the complaint is right or wrong). Karens are now able to Karen by calling out Karens that aren't actually being Karens, but rather calling out the Karenning of the actual Karens! Infuriating!

― H.P, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:03 (one year ago)

it died when white men discovered they could use it against feminists

― Left, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:04 (one year ago)

and white women discovered they could use it to be not like the other white girls

― Left, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:05 (one year ago)

Karen's basically lost all of its utility. I saw someone call a dude a Karen because he objected to pyro at football matches, for example.

― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:11 (one year ago)

According to HP we are reaching Peak Karen, which means to me it has reached the end stage, like a Ponzi scheme when the last sucker buys in.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:12 (one year ago)

karen cancelled for no longer being woke

― Left, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:15 (one year ago)

and white women discovered they could use it to be not like the other white girls

This was it's primary utility from the start to the end. absolutely otm post

It reached end stage when a fast-food franchise with its name popped up in Australia. Investigating may put your love of humanity at risk:
https://www.instagram.com/karensdinerofficial/?hl=en

― H.P, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:19 (one year ago)

is this the start of some horrible reclamation?

conquer the boardroom by embracing your inner karen

― Left, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:24 (one year ago)

It's a cash in on meme cultured millennials with no sense of humour.

― H.P, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:31 (one year ago)

of course they're using digital blackface in service of their brand while having what looks to be an all white staff

I'd like to blame it all on the aussies but I could imagine someone doing this in a trendy part of london too

― Left, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:32 (one year ago)

Karen's Diner singlehandedly making me wish we had tipping culture here

― H.P, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:34 (one year ago)

the humourless millennials would probably tip well for this in the states too though wdik

― H.P, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:34 (one year ago)

Boomer is beginning to annoy me for similar reasons, mainly because kids use it to mean anyone over the age of like, 30 which renders the word pointless. No boomer is less than 60-65 at this point! FFS there's millenials with adult kids at this point.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 11 January 2024 02:39 (one year ago)

kids are always going to poop on their elders; that they can't even correctly classify us should make it that much easier to ignore

― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2024 03:03 (one year ago)

also i know some karens and carins and that whole thing is shitty but tbh at least their names aren't euphemisms for toilets/procurers of prostitutes/front-line soldiers who get dumped by their sweethearts

― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2024 03:08 (one year ago)

We're having a discussion about this at work lately, because there are real differences between old Boomers and young Boomers in terms of communication, degree of online-ness, etc., and it's really necessary to use two different strategies to market to/communicate with them — a one size fits all approach is doomed to failure.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:02 (one year ago)

H.P.: Karenception

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:07 (one year ago)

by definition the very youngest boomers are now 59yo and the oldest are 77

still too young to be president apparently

― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:11 (one year ago)

We boomers will always have Bill Clinton and Dubya to live down.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:12 (one year ago)

My 80+-year-old parents are VERY adamant that they are not Boomers, but war babies. The distinction (if it ever mattered) will stop mattering soon.

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:28 (one year ago)

Biggest difference for war babies was that they entered adulthood as a much smaller cohort. They tended to have easier career paths (less competition for desirable openings) but much less social/cultural impact or influence. They weren't as flattered or catered to by big business.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:42 (one year ago)

I am sure that's true on the macro level, but my parents are weird. My father was born in Los Alamos because his father was a not-insignificant Manhattan Project figure; his career path led him to Vietnam (which was decidedly NOT easy). My mother lost her father early and struggled to get by at all; she worked three jobs for most of my life, yadda cubed.

Now, I know most everybody is dealing with something you don't know about, and privilege is most definitely a thing, and anecdotes are not data. But when I think of my own specific parents' career paths or lives, "easier" is not the first word that springs to mind.

― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2024 05:09 (one year ago)

nothing said about a group larger than one person is true of any one person we might all put that into practice now we have had an awakening here today hmmmm?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 January 2024 09:30 (one year ago)

I'd like to blame it all on the aussies but I could imagine someone doing this in a trendy part of london too

US VC money has enabled franchising of Karen's Dinner, there's a couple in Britain (London and Birmingham), one in Dublin and one in Denver Colorado.

― Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Thursday, 11 January 2024 09:35 (one year ago)

karen's diner particularly egregious because if one profession has to deal with actual karendom a lot surely it's waiters

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 11 January 2024 10:37 (one year ago)

The one near me went OOB. I assume the others did too.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 11 January 2024 12:19 (one year ago)

that is a noise actual karens make and all

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 January 2024 12:19 (one year ago)

Karen is played out, but Chad is still going strong.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 11 January 2024 14:17 (one year ago)

Waiting for a Trixie revival.

― Jeff, Thursday, 11 January 2024 15:07 (one year ago)

My first cabbage patch doll's name was Trixie Alice.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 11 January 2024 16:55 (one year ago)

― Pictish in the Woods (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 15 January 2024 11:17 (one year ago)

"Pazz & Jop"

― Kim Kimberly, Monday, 15 January 2024 18:51 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 3 February 2024 09:06 (one year ago)

words to do with fermentation eg

“scobie”
“poolish”

ugh so gross. stop

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 3 February 2024 09:07 (one year ago)

scoby don’t

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Saturday, 3 February 2024 09:35 (one year ago)

Tracer how else do you want us to say "two weeks pass..."

― rob, Saturday, 3 February 2024 14:45 (one year ago)

a fortnight transpires?
fourteen suns set?

― rob, Saturday, 3 February 2024 14:45 (one year ago)

bimonth

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 3 February 2024 18:00 (one year ago)

every month is bimonth

― Left, Saturday, 3 February 2024 18:05 (one year ago)

what ever happened to straight smarck month thats what i wanna know

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 3 February 2024 18:09 (one year ago)

Hey now
You're a smarck mouth
Get your game on

― Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 3 February 2024 18:44 (one year ago)

read the room

― ivy., Monday, 12 February 2024 16:53 (one year ago)

bi- and semi- as a modifiers for frequency of occurrence always slow me down, my brain has to run an extra calculation

Also: usage of "20th century" to describe "the 1900s" and so on

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:35 (one year ago)

Sixmonthly, twoyearly tho? Yuck. Even worse

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

"20th century" to describe "the 1900s"

According to the accepted cultural and legal definition, I am 69 years old. It is just as true that I am currently in my 70th year of life. Young kids get this distinction and insist on being e.g. five-and-a-half instead of just five.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 12 February 2024 18:06 (one year ago)

Oh I know it's correct, I'm not disputing it, I just find it annoying.

Had no idea you were 69! Nice

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 12 February 2024 18:26 (one year ago)

I have been hearing “perfect” as an acknowledgment of any sort of response to a question.

“Date of birth?”

“12/21/73”

[types into computer] “Perfect”

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 12 February 2024 19:38 (one year ago)

Repeat for the next 6 questions

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 12 February 2024 19:38 (one year ago)

verbal tics that mask the void in one's soul

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 12 February 2024 19:45 (one year ago)

I kind of hate "mate", as in "How are you, mate". I'm pretty sure I've never said it in my life.

― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Monday, 12 February 2024 20:06 (one year ago)

Just ran some errands and unconsciously said “perfect” to various clerks multiple times and felt shocked and appalled at myself afterward, sorry world

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 12 February 2024 20:31 (one year ago)

Today I learned that Tom D. is probably not Australian

― Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 12 February 2024 21:30 (one year ago)

also not Argentinian

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 12 February 2024 21:31 (one year ago)

I have been hearing “perfect” as an acknowledgment of any sort of response to a question.

Had dinner in a restaurant in San Diego about ten years ago and the waiter, strong ex-Marines vibe, responded “perfect” to literally every meal order or request. Became surreal pretty quickly.

― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 12 February 2024 21:56 (one year ago)

hm. i see it as an analog of "very good," which i normally assume to mean "request in good order and understood."

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:08 (one year ago)

i don't use it, as it does sound like "in excellent taste" or something.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:09 (one year ago)

I've caught myself saying "perfect" lately in exactly this way. It bugs me, and I have no idea where I picked it up. Taking this thread as a caution.

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:25 (one year ago)

I couldn't imagine using "perfect" non-sarcastically. "Someone tore open a package of diapers and changed their baby in the store aisle." "Perfect."

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:30 (one year ago)

I searched my WhatsApp chats for “yeah perfect” and had to stop scrolling after thirty instances.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:34 (one year ago)

I find myself overusing "very well" in the same way that some people use "perfect."

Another option is "good choice."

Whenever I am interacting with musicians doing covers (which may be a bit too often), I find myself saying "that's a good choice for you." Which may be bad instead of good.

My wife has admonished me about saying things like "I am glad you're having fun" or "I am glad you're interested in these things" to our daughter, when the topic is k-pop or v-tubers or whatever. I am working on figuring out the right response.

― Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:50 (one year ago)

Lol puffin. Hope you figure that one out with your daughter

All "mate" haters please identify yourself so you can be appropriately killfiled.

― H.P, Monday, 12 February 2024 22:53 (one year ago)

The amount of joy I get returning from travelling and being able to put "mate", "cheers", "gday", "howzitgoan" etc. back into my vocabulary/being able to lean back into my accent, is immeasurable

― H.P, Monday, 12 February 2024 22:56 (one year ago)

xp to my kids i often use "i'm glad you're..." but sometimes i resort to "that sounds fun!" my worst dad style is probably *looking slightly grave or disappointed* "hey, doing x is erm, well, that's a bad model." lol.

my fave annoyance (which cracked me up) was in early 10's when i was doing verbal text messages, and thus saying the words "comma" or "period" into them, and my young teen kids would spontaneously walk around mocking me by interjecting "COMMA" or ending sentences with "PERIOD," while giving me a hard time.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Monday, 12 February 2024 23:31 (one year ago)

my son calls me mate when i call him to find out where he is, absolutely infuriating

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:33 (one year ago)

"alright mate?"

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:33 (one year ago)

my young teen kids would spontaneously walk around mocking me by interjecting "COMMA" or ending sentences with "PERIOD," while giving me a hard time.

lol roasted

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:36 (one year ago)

Feel like “mate” is like calling an adult “buddy” or “pal”, something you use deliberately to be irritating. “Oh mate” is a classic of this genre IMO

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:37 (one year ago)

better 'mate' than 'bossman'

or is it tho

― nashwan, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:37 (one year ago)

not imo

yes absolutely deliberate

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:38 (one year ago)

I am working on figuring out the right response.

"Why do you watch that garbage"

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:38 (one year ago)

Oh mate

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:38 (one year ago)

I found myself walking a little way behind a youngish man who was on the phone to some friend of his and like 99% of what he said was like, “yes king, I hear you boss, don’t worry about it king” I thought it was incredible

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:41 (one year ago)

"bruh! it's calm king. yes king. i'll firm it."

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:43 (one year ago)

It wasn’t quite like that, it was more the laddish endearments. It was sweet!

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:46 (one year ago)

i'm just riffing

it's amazing how much can be conveyed with like 8 words repeated in different configurations

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:47 (one year ago)

I found myself walking a little way behind a youngish man who was on the phone to some friend of his and like 99% of what he said was like, “yes king, I hear you boss, don’t worry about it king” I thought it was incredible

These BetterHelp therapists are really something

― cozen itt (wins), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:49 (one year ago)

lmao

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:54 (one year ago)

A kid answering their mobile to a parent and saying ‘awright, mate!’ is only trying to style out the embarrassment of a checking-in call in front of their… mates.

Hunt3r’s kids FTW, LOL

― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 11:14 (one year ago)

I find it infuriating when my kids call me "bruh" - wrong family member! try again!

i used to work in a cafe that travelled around festivals every summer and one day we decided to call every customer or manager "chief" - nice balance of potential respect and disrespect there.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 11:29 (one year ago)

"Wee man" or "big yin", depending on height ftw.

― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 11:33 (one year ago)

Classic = saying a close friend/family members name too often in close succession. Good way to keep em on their toes, don't let em get too familiar ya know?

― H.P, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 11:36 (one year ago)

A friend of mine and I once tried to see how many of these we could string in a row.

"How's it going, buddy?"

"Not bad, chief. You?"

"Could be worse, boss."

etc.

It became ridiculous very quickly.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:37 (one year ago)

True story: I once left my glasses on the subway. A friendly stranger wished to alert me to this fact.

For context, at the time I was a reasonably tall and thin person (six feet tall weighing something like 120 pounds).

Anyway, our good Samaritan was trying to get my attention. He must have started with something like "hey man" or "hey, dude," and I didn't respond. As I was starting up the escalator and he shouted "YO! STICK!"

I turned and retrieved the glasses before the subway doors closed and life moved on. Wherever you are, kind stranger, thank you.

― Sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:12 (one year ago)

"thanks hoss"

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:31 (one year ago)

Hunt3r’s kids FTW, LOL

thx-- and yeah, just ask them.

tbh even reading my own description it becomes in my head like a calvin and hobbes with the dad standing there with his eyes closed while c+t march in random directions about fists raised barking COMMA! PERIOD! because that really is about right.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:37 (one year ago)

c+h obv

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:37 (one year ago)

everything listed since i last read this thread is fine and actually good

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:07 (one year ago)

That but make it a sticky post at the top of the thread pls mods

― cozen itt (wins), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:35 (one year ago)

a lot of internet video ads are using the term "POV:" in the wrong way, like half the ads now are "POV: you are craving chicken" with a video of a guy really enjoying a chicken wing

― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:41 (one year ago)

yeah, that apparently got ruined by tiktok a while ago

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:42 (one year ago)

I like "mate"

But I can't stand "no worries", it fills me with hate lava

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:42 (one year ago)

i change it to "no worry," totally different. so there. mate.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:08 (one year ago)

I say "be not concerned"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:48 (one year ago)

fret not!

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:52 (one year ago)

Alternative alternatives to polite utterances:

Herewith, fail not at your peril

Do the needful

May the odds be ever in your favor

Thank the thousand little gods

Go with Beelzebub

Take it light, homes

― Sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:53 (one year ago)

be not afraid

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:54 (one year ago)

“My problem”

“No pleasure”

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:55 (one year ago)

My adoration for Aussies is tried when it’s abbreviated to “Naurries”, awful

Sounds like a diaper van. A nappy lorry. Naurries!

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:57 (one year ago)

I'm actually saying "no. Worries!"

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:58 (one year ago)

Pretty sure James Redd prefers "Dinnae fash yersel".

― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:59 (one year ago)

"The Lord is my shepherd
I shit my pants"

― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 18:07 (one year ago)

lol Camaraderie

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 18:27 (one year ago)

“Multiple different ____”
“Various different ____”

― just1n3, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 18:47 (one year ago)

wrong thread as it doesn't annoy me, but after listening to a number of podcasts I feel vaguely unsettled by the way Americans use the world "several"

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 18:52 (one year ago)

May the Lord make his face to shine upon you.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:03 (one year ago)

no wokkas mate

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:14 (one year ago)

the only time i get called "boss" is when they're trying to convince me i need a new air filter when i'm getting an oil change.

― omar little, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:51 (one year ago)

Then they start getting defensive when you refuse it and you can remind them

Hey

Who's the boss

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:19 (one year ago)

I generally hate "boss" and "bad boy"

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:20 (one year ago)

can't imagine disliking bad boy. mundane activities are better when everything is a bad boy. when i see an egg i gotta crack that bad boy into the pan, when i see my shoe i gotta put that bad boy on my foot, my teeth are bad boys i gotta brush real good, etc

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:35 (one year ago)

the world is a cheeky and mildly devious place

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:37 (one year ago)

if someone called me bad boy i'd just have tell them i object and do not wish to kink shame them. who the hell is saying bad boy? to a stranger? to anyone? nb i am old

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:42 (one year ago)

i call a friend and also former boss (principal and founder) and also spanish fluent "jefe" not infrequently. it is in jest and respect all at the same time. no beatdowns on me yet.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:44 (one year ago)

nooo Hunt3r not “bad boy” as a person bad boy as a noun in the way karl says

the worst

but in terms of what you might call someone “big man” is what i find really objectionable, except if you’re scottish or irish for some reason, then it’s okay

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 22:08 (one year ago)

'dirty birdie'

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 22:10 (one year ago)

I like “boss”. Realllllly hate “chief” tho

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 22:14 (one year ago)

Anyone object to saying “don’t forget to shake that bad boy off” to the fellow at the urinal next to you?

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 13 February 2024 22:19 (one year ago)

lmao

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 22:55 (one year ago)

I blame Jamie Oliver for ‘bad boy’.

― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 23:08 (one year ago)

I'd bet Tim Allen on "Home Improvement" is as much to blame for "bad boy" as anyone.

― Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 06:13 (one year ago)

guy at my local butchers still uses guvnor, squire etc.

― fetter, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 08:37 (one year ago)

I said no worries so many times last night at work and felt no remorse

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 14:21 (one year ago)

“No remorse”

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 14:41 (one year ago)

surely you meant "sorry not sorry"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 14:42 (one year ago)

Could be worse, could be "no sweat".

― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 14:51 (one year ago)

"no static at all"

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

"No Reply At All"

#onethread

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 15:03 (one year ago)

Thread has got to almost 10k replies without mention of "tickety-boo", well done all

― rock will eat itself (Matt #2), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 15:04 (one year ago)

"Bad boy" needs to be part of a chain, "Annoying person + annoying phrase". Just the phrase or the person on their own doesn't have the same effect.

I am training as a counsellor, and I dislike many counsellor stock phrases like "What I'm hearing is..." at the start of a sentence, ugh

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 16:05 (one year ago)

have you tried telling them no worries

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 14 February 2024 16:24 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UhS8kkcTnM

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 16:27 (one year ago)

"what it is, is" is bad

in my call centre days i couldnt believe how common an intro into a spiel this was, whether the tale of woe or hope related to delayed bicycle deliveries or purchasing granny a commemorative ken barlow death china set

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:26 (one year ago)

I like "no sweat."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:27 (one year ago)

Somebody I work with cannot go two minutes without saying "well, it is what it is," and he's never wrong, it always is what it always is

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:32 (one year ago)

"what it is, is" is bad

in my call centre days i couldnt believe how common an intro into a spiel this was, whether the tale of woe or hope related to delayed bicycle deliveries or purchasing granny a commemorative ken barlow death china set

well lookit

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:35 (one year ago)

"Nobody asked for this"

― MarkoP, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:43 (one year ago)

“please understand that…”

y’all just hate bad news

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:23 (one year ago)

lookit bossmate what it is what it is is

― nashwan, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:27 (one year ago)

now we're cookin

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:29 (one year ago)

lookit is the full stop at the beginning of a sentence

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:29 (one year ago)

"I said no worries so many times last night at work and felt no remorse"
you could always change it up for the Oz classic "no wuckin' furries" or "no wuckers" for short
(n.b. "furries" pronounced like "furrow")

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:35 (one year ago)

lookit is the full stop at the beginning of a sentence

My wife says when I start a sentence with "Listen," she knows bad news is coming.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:41 (one year ago)

i'm also a "no sweat" guy idc who knows it

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 22:11 (one year ago)

This is a pretty random reference but “Lookit” reminds me of Jennilee Harrison on Dallas cuz she often said it and it sounded cute coming out of her mouth… I think the implication in that case was that her character was from a humble background (though technically heir to part of the Ewing estate) and was a straight shooter.

― Josefa, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 22:11 (one year ago)

i prefer "no worries" to "no sweat" because i prefer people not to be thinking about my sweat at work and these stock phrases come up at work, both jobs in fact

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 22:15 (one year ago)

I said that I prefer “no worry “to “no worries“ because I can only address one phobia at a moment, nor should I have to worry about all of the dimensions of your neurotic ass. I got my own neurotic ass to worry about.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 23:58 (one year ago)

you could always change it up for the Oz classic "no wuckin' furries" or "no wuckers" for short

or as I sometimes like to say it, "no wux"

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 15 February 2024 04:30 (one year ago)

"Talk to me about..." When did interviewers start using this construction? I don't mind it as such but it's absolutely rife now.

Q: "Talk to me about..."
A: "So..."

― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 February 2024 07:56 (one year ago)

"No stress" is my go to. It pretty directly refers to my current state rather than the vague "no worries". Who isn't meant to worry, you, me, both of us?

― H.P, Thursday, 15 February 2024 11:55 (one year ago)

let’s all just go back to no problem. we don’t have to bring our feelings into this. the problem, there is none

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 15 February 2024 12:54 (one year ago)

Personally I don't have a problem with "no problem."

There are, however, people who really don't like hearing it in service-sector situations. They're like, "why would it be a problem to bring me some coffee, it's your fucking JOB" or whatever.

My go-to phrases tend to be more obsequious things like "happy to help" and "glad to be of service," "glad to help," which have the advantage of being true. I actually do like being useful. Which I guess could be interpreted as me being a tool of capitalism and/or the patriarchy. But I am too old to be reformed. Probably I should have been canceled long ago.

― fleetwood macrame (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:18 (one year ago)

The only time 'no worries' annoys me is when the shop assistant is trying to upsell me something. 'Do you want to pay a monthly charge for this other thing you didn't ask for?' 'No...' 'No worries!'

― Sam Weller, Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:29 (one year ago)

There are, however, people who really don't like hearing it in service-sector situations. They're like, "why would it be a problem to bring me some coffee, it's your fucking JOB" or whatever.

but fuck these people?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:32 (one year ago)

Well, yeah.

― fleetwood macrame (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:32 (one year ago)

… pic.twitter.com/WdIa39pPmB
— Tom J Newell (@tomjnewell) July 11, 2023

― brain (krakow), Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:47 (one year ago)

lmao

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:48 (one year ago)

no worries slipknot

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 February 2024 13:49 (one year ago)

There are, however, people who really don't like hearing it in service-sector situations. They're like, "why would it be a problem to bring me some coffee, it's your fucking JOB" or whatever.

but fuck these people?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, February 15, 2024 8:32 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol yes fuck them BUT I am an assistant so 80% of my job is replying to some kind or request or another from people. I read somewhere that using "no problem" in some situations can serve to diminish the importance of the task you're about to do. No idea if that's true but it stuck with me and I usually go with something along the lines of "happy to help".

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 15 February 2024 14:05 (one year ago)

Even worse when you're relying on the goodwill of these haters for your actual income. I am appalled by the vitriol people will heap on service workers for doing something utterly innocuous like saying "no worries/problem" tbh. The fact that I have to worry about offending someone in this way or not getting paid is disturbing. So I can't really say "fuck those people" because the poisoned dance that we do as tipped employees.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 February 2024 14:32 (one year ago)

(In private I can absolutely say fuck those people but if I want to pay my bills I can't tell them to get bent to their face)

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 February 2024 14:33 (one year ago)

I used to say "Easier done than said", and have finished the task by the time they had worked out what that meant.

― Mark G, Thursday, 15 February 2024 14:37 (one year ago)

“No wuckers” is the furthest I’ve been on the asymptotic line toward Pure Australianism and I have to respect it

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:04 (one year ago)

I am appalled by the vitriol people will heap on service workers for doing something utterly innocuous like saying "no worries/problem" tbh

after my injury i'm a lot less likely to get riled at std service crap-- not from identification with them or sympathy, just-- well maybe it is sympathy a little? they're doing what they do for money. part is i-- i just like people generally more, and interacting is fun to me.

you have to be pretty particularly offensive or dismissive to get me to break. that said when i do, whoa, i can be quite direct and particular. not profane tho. more than most people maybe, and it is quite surprising to me and to others. it's also a post-injury trait, i expect due to much loss of control vs impulsivity.

― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 15 February 2024 18:02 (one year ago)

i have no idea what that post is... you're speaking from the pov of someone who is sometimes a dick to service workers? you're saying you don't identify with or sympathize with them?

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 15 February 2024 21:03 (one year ago)

thats not what he said at all tbh

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 February 2024 21:10 (one year ago)

I thought it was refreshingly honest to admit a change in behavior toward the less-irritable, on account of an injury or not. People in general could afford to examine why they’re so irritable and who they heap scorn on.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 February 2024 21:15 (one year ago)

Hey buddy maybe YOU could afford to examine why YOU'RE so irritable and who YOU heap scorn on! Leave ME out of it!

― H.P, Thursday, 15 February 2024 21:37 (one year ago)

Xpost Otm. Irritability in today's environment is understandable, but someone, friend or stranger, shouldn't be a punching bag simply because they had the audacity to cross your path on the wrong day.

That being said, I was awful to people last year and have had to undertake a similar initiative

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 February 2024 23:20 (one year ago)

I love Five Easy Pieces but I do not love that scene.

― Alba, Saturday, 17 February 2024 13:39 (one year ago)

Pretty sure James Redd prefers "Dinnae fash yersel".

A dinna ken whit yer on aboot

― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 01:34 (one year ago)

Wheesht

― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 01:35 (one year ago)

This is more of an internet thing than something people say, but I am finding myself increasingly annoyed by the number of crappy reels I see on social media titled "POV" when there's nothing point-of-view about it, it's just a video

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 10:55 (one year ago)

From the is this racist thread:

i have to say i don't love the increasingly common term "street tacos" for....actual tacos

Similarly, it seems like any joke gets described as a "dad joke" these days.

― Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:27 (one year ago)

maybe they're saying 'dud joke'

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:33 (one year ago)

Pretty sure James Redd prefers "Dinnae fash yersel".

Get tae France!

― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 February 2024 01:33 (one year ago)

vice-ah versa

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 17:54 (one year ago)

I recently became aware of “delulu”. Just fucking awful, makes me want to die.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 3 March 2024 05:49 (one year ago)

almost certainly complained about these before, but the thread has become too large to search, so if you write

smacks of
methinks
writ large

just fuck completely off forever

― mookieproof, Sunday, 3 March 2024 06:02 (one year ago)

One that's been annoying me lately is "technical term" followed by some colloquialism, ie "Her behaviour was certainly unusual, I believe the technical term is 'batshit crazy'".

― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 3 March 2024 07:08 (one year ago)

hearing a couple of people recently using what sounds like the phrase cognitive dissidence in places where I would expect cognitive dissonance. Wondering if it is conscious and an in joke of sorts or if it is a case of the latter.

Would think a cognitive dissidence had some level of agency involved. Whether that's esoteric knowledge or just arrogant doubling down.
But not sure if it is conscious or not.

― Stevo, Sunday, 3 March 2024 16:34 (one year ago)

Cognitive Dissidents is the name of a San Francisco-area bar in William Gibson's Virtual Light

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Sunday, 3 March 2024 17:57 (one year ago)

"Spitballing"

― visiting, Sunday, 3 March 2024 21:58 (one year ago)

p much all corporate speak tbh

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 March 2024 22:21 (one year ago)

mookie will you explain what bugs you about "smacks of" and possibly provide some alternatives, it's for a friend

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 March 2024 01:44 (one year ago)

it’s very Buster Bluth to me

― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 4 March 2024 01:58 (one year ago)

Seems like

Calls to mind

Reminds one of

Has the air of

Is redolent of

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 March 2024 04:34 (one year ago)

all awful phrases ofc

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 March 2024 09:12 (one year ago)

Think Wodehouse used "has the air of" well, think it has its uses along these lines. The others, agreed.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 March 2024 09:19 (one year ago)

learnings
stakeholders

― oscar bravo, Monday, 4 March 2024 09:33 (one year ago)

most prepositions

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 March 2024 09:40 (one year ago)

Learningsssssss imagined always in a Von Helsing voice.

― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 4 March 2024 11:35 (one year ago)

"worry not!|

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 March 2024 11:43 (one year ago)

mattkkkkk otm, I can't make soup without a voice in my head saying "with a smack of ham to it! "

― kinder, Monday, 4 March 2024 13:30 (one year ago)

To me, smacks of means than resembles. If something smacks of hypocrisy it means it stinks of it.

― Alba, Monday, 4 March 2024 13:33 (one year ago)

worry not!

A few of the pubs/restaurants I follow on social media use this sort of style and it really sets my teeth on edge. "Rejoice! our spring menu has returned...behold its wondrous delights" etc. Guaranteed someone will reply with a "Hurrah!"

― fetter, Monday, 4 March 2024 13:46 (one year ago)

Or worse, “huzzah”

On the suspenders side of things I give “wax” or “waxes” a pass, I kinda enjoy it tbh, I wax enthusiastic about wax

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 4 March 2024 13:53 (one year ago)

Somebody told me they hated “myriad” once and I have a subroutine in place to avoid its usage, too bad, it’s a useful word

― a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 4 March 2024 13:54 (one year ago)

If people wish to use "myriad," I prefer when they use it as an adjective. I know it also is accepted as a noun but I am not reconciled to that usage.

Best: I have myriad iguanas.

Not so great: I have a myriad of iguanas.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 March 2024 14:19 (one year ago)

I didn't even know it could be used as a noun in place of multitude or suchlike. It's too similar to pyramid for me to take it seriously - "I have a pyramid of iguanas".

― help me I am in hull (Matt #2), Monday, 4 March 2024 14:35 (one year ago)

most nouns

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 March 2024 14:39 (one year ago)

I've got a myriad of pyramids, kid

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Monday, 4 March 2024 15:03 (one year ago)

Myriad as noun goes back further than myriad as adjective, I believe.

― Alba, Monday, 4 March 2024 15:05 (one year ago)

second on learnings

what’s with all these ppl suddenly using thou thee thy second/fam again? it’s v fucked up and distracting. can barely get a ye in edgewise.

― the kwisatz sasquatch (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 March 2024 15:14 (one year ago)

(xp) I would have thought so.

― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Monday, 4 March 2024 15:18 (one year ago)

I have myriad iguanas.

One for the "shocking old" thread: I was unaware that this word is also an adjective and have never seen it used this way.

― Kim Kimberly, Monday, 4 March 2024 15:34 (one year ago)

*shockingly

― Kim Kimberly, Monday, 4 March 2024 15:34 (one year ago)

same!

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 4 March 2024 15:40 (one year ago)

I specifically remember in my degree tutorials my friend getting "a myriad of" corrected to "myriad" by the professor.

― kinder, Monday, 4 March 2024 17:42 (one year ago)

prof otm

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 March 2024 19:20 (one year ago)

totally. non-adjectival use of "myriad" isn't technically wrong, but it always raises an eyebrow when a writer chooses this word, presumably to sound highbrow, but then fumbles the application

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 March 2024 20:14 (one year ago)

I have a plethora of piñatas

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:19 (one year ago)

myriad as a noun was around for centuries before it was used an as adjective, so "isn't technically wrong" is kind of an understatement

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:22 (one year ago)

You're right, of course, and I am usually on that side of usage disputes (verbing, for example). But one can have preferences, and be sensitive to the preferences of one's target audience.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:54 (one year ago)

myriad as a noun was around for centuries before it was used an as adjective, so "isn't technically wrong" is kind of an understatement

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, March 4, 2024 2:22 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

guess what, lots of things that make people sound stupid have been established practice for centuries

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 March 2024 20:56 (one year ago)

Today I learned that the use of "myriad" as a noun annoys people. Don't really know why though. Might be an 'American thing'.

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:58 (one year ago)

it always raises an eyebrow when a writer chooses this word, presumably to sound highbrow, but then fumbles the application

so you know this is the origin of myriad used as an adjective, right

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:08 (one year ago)

if we try real hard, we might just recreate this thread

Taking Sides: Another Think Coming v Another Thing Coming

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:14 (one year ago)

viking as a gerund

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:18 (one year ago)

today i vike
yesterday I viked
I has have had been viked
many times before

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:21 (one year ago)

It's necessary that you be viking

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:27 (one year ago)

its viking sleep?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:41 (one year ago)

Motorviking

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:43 (one year ago)

https://y.yarn.co/c827194a-05a1-4a56-af47-c9d064d0013e_text.gif

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:45 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPbG8aBhfDE

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:57 (one year ago)

i'm a viking girl, in a viking world

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:59 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO_VONrCJQE

― Lily Dale, Monday, 4 March 2024 22:00 (one year ago)

so you know this is the origin of myriad used as an adjective, right

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, March 4, 2024 3:08 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yup! i am really talking about a style choice, and an awareness of readers' perceptions. you could make the same argument about "self-depreciating," which emerged long before "self-deprecating" and is technically correct, but if a writer used it i would question their judgment for sure. sometimes writers make subtle choices that i appreciate, not because the writer is 100% correct, but because they've managed to avoid awkward or unwelcome associations etc etc

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 March 2024 22:51 (one year ago)

I'm one-upping the haters and using myriad as a pronoun

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 4 March 2024 22:52 (one year ago)

myriad, meriad, mineriad

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 March 2024 22:53 (one year ago)

Shibboleths are kind of gross.

― Alba, Monday, 4 March 2024 22:55 (one year ago)

if you're referring to how Minnesotans pronounce "boat," i agree

― budo jeru, Monday, 4 March 2024 23:03 (one year ago)

i am really talking about a style choice, and an awareness of readers' perceptions

show me a sound linguistic basis for this perception and maybe I'll pay attention.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 March 2024 23:06 (one year ago)

I've read the recent posts and have concluded that "myriad" is a cool word

― rob, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 00:05 (one year ago)

As I have said, I write and edit for a living. Of course I have opinions but the audience that matters is the person approving my timesheet or signing my paycheck. If they don't like something, I don't argue.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 02:45 (one year ago)

Going against the grain here - I have only ever used myriad as an adjective and didn't know it could be used as a noun.

― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 02:48 (one year ago)

i use myriad as an adverb

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 02:52 (one year ago)

Hard to say how often we'll need to cover this ground, but in the world I inhabit both usages are understood and accepted by ordinary readers or listeners, so both are acceptable in informal prose or speech. If you're working in an academic or professional capacity that is more strictly rule-bound than informal prose or speech, then you'd better follow the rules or be seen as being in error.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 02:54 (one year ago)

such a pleasant sounding word

― Swen, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 02:57 (one year ago)

how do we feel about howard cosell mentioning 'a veritable cornucopia of [noun]'

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 03:11 (one year ago)

it's fine either way; he's dead

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 03:12 (one year ago)

Aimless is right. I would never correct someone speaking or writing in a casual context. But at work I have to adhere to the standards of my profession, even though they are somewhat arbitrary.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 03:51 (one year ago)

Why did everyone online start saying "my brother in christ" all the time. Yer not religious, wtf is going on.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 05:36 (one year ago)

omg 'bro' has gotten out of hand. don't get me wrong, i'm fine with it, but every sentence cmon

― Swen, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 05:53 (one year ago)

My bro in Christ

― Alba, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 06:06 (one year ago)

Trayce I hate that one. It's meant as a zing I think

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 06:24 (one year ago)

Going against the grain here - I have only ever used myriad as an adjective and didn't know it could be used as a noun.

That's not going against the grain btw.

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 07:10 (one year ago)

is "on accident" an American thing? gets my hackles up

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 08:25 (one year ago)

i detest “on accident,” no idea origin. as annoying as pronouncing jaguar “jagwire.” unless it’s a bike cable.

jag-you-war is just ridiculous, but is at least how the milkshakes sang it.

― the kwisatz sasquatch (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:05 (one year ago)

Never heard (of) it.

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:07 (one year ago)

... 'on accident' that is... and 'jagwire'.

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:09 (one year ago)

To British ears, the common US pronunciation of jaguar sounds more like jag-wah than jag-wire

― Alba, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:14 (one year ago)

On accident is Southern, if I’m not mistaken.

― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:19 (one year ago)

I think on accident is cute

― Swen, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:20 (one year ago)

same as eggspecially

― Swen, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:20 (one year ago)

“oh god that guy… what a total jagwire”

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:24 (one year ago)

Xp alba, the greatly predominant (ime) us pronunciation is JAG-war, which is i think the one you mean. starting in the 90s i started to hear JAG-wire. i sorta think it’s a southernism and has spread in part as a result of the creation of the nfl football team jacksonville (FL) jaguars est 93 first season 95.

as to brit pronunciation i assume it must go deeper than medway

― the kwisatz sasquatch (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 09:34 (one year ago)

In "Maneater," Darryl Hall definitely sings "jag-you-are," but that may just be artistic license.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 10:26 (one year ago)

I think the more common English pronunciation (not sure if different in Scotland/Wales) is jag-you-uh not jag-you-are - in the Milkshakes song they kind of use both, jag-you-are when it rhymes with car and jag-you-uh the rest of the time

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 10:47 (one year ago)

Well you pronounce the r in Scotland but the same otherwise.

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 10:50 (one year ago)

yeah I thought that might be the case

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 10:51 (one year ago)

Terry Hall does the same in Rat Race - bar/jag-you-are

― fetter, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 11:50 (one year ago)

I think the more common English pronunciation (not sure if different in Scotland/Wales) is jag-you-uh not jag-you-are - in the Milkshakes song they kind of use both, jag-you-are when it rhymes with car and jag-you-uh the rest of the time

Yes, "Daddy's Jag-you-are" in Hey Little Rich Girl is a Terry Hall flourish!

― Alba, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 11:57 (one year ago)

Got you, Hunt3r

― Alba, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 11:58 (one year ago)

Pretty sure there was an 80s metal band called Jagwire or maybe Jagwah

― Morris O’Shea Salazar (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 13:10 (one year ago)

“my brother in christ” is meant as sarcasm, and is honestly part of a meme culture that is a few years old at this point— haven’t seen it in a while, tho i now use it when i’m driving to avoid totally freaking out at bad drivers. “my brother in christ, you are tailgating the hell out of me” is a lot more calm and assured that “get the fuck off my bumper you fucking KIA piece of shit”

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 13:41 (one year ago)

i like it

― Swen, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 13:53 (one year ago)

It doesn’t annoy me, but why did so many people say “Brother Wayne Kramer” on social media recently when Wayne Kramer of the MC5 died? Is it some connection with the John Sinclair/White Panther activism of the late 60s/early 70s?

― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 14:10 (one year ago)

Yes.

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 14:36 (one year ago)

Going against the grain here - I have only ever used myriad as an adjective and didn't know it could be used as a noun.

That's not going against the grain btw.

Depends on who you ask, clearly. This must be regional and/or generational because while I think the proscription is obnoxious (as is any style guide usage recommendation that isn't about consistent spelling or punctuation) using myriad as an adjective in the pedagogy I grew up in is the incorrect usage. If you're trying to be erudite, it is always and only to be used as a noun.

But my interest in the matter is that taking ANY side on the issue at all is toxic to English writing on the whole - both usages are fine, neither are even slightly ambiguous, and all taking sides does is alienate a big swath of the population and make them reluctant to contribute their own writing to the world.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 15:42 (one year ago)

OTM

― Alba, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 17:16 (one year ago)

i use otm as a noun

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 17:21 (one year ago)

myriad of otms

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 5 March 2024 17:23 (one year ago)

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

by the same token

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

hard agree, can we celebrate imperfection

― Swen, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 17:49 (one year ago)

/communication

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 17:50 (one year ago)

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

pays my bills so who can say if its good or bad

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 18:03 (one year ago)

what's grate about. it is; thatt, you can beter connect! with your frans `

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 18:07 (one year ago)

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

just for the record, there are some practical benefits. it makes reading much less work because it allows familiarity and habit to do some of the heavy lifting of recognition. standardized spelling makes written words more like factory-produced interchangeable parts. before standardization reading was more of a struggle.

a less happy consequence is that it shifts more of the work to the front end, when you're learning to read and write and are expanding your vocabulary. compared to learning a language by hearing ans speaking, reading and writing are unnatural add-ons that our brains are less well adapted for. spelling words phonetically, but haphazardly, is a less rocky path when you don't know or care what the standardized spelling is, but you're making your reader work harder to figure out what they're looking at.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 18:09 (one year ago)

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

my favorite Elvis Costello demo

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 02:35 (one year ago)

typically profiting off nick lowe

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 03:59 (one year ago)

Nick lowercase

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 04:05 (one year ago)

But my interest in the matter is that taking ANY side on the issue at all is toxic to English writing on the whole - both usages are fine, neither are even slightly ambiguous, and all taking sides does is alienate a big swath of the population and make them reluctant to contribute their own writing to the world.

this is so weird. why would you even open this thread in that case. like are we allowed to have harmless opinions on a thread about annoying usage without being called toxic and obnoxious

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 06:43 (one year ago)

i haven't really had time to keep up with the thread but just wanted to be clear that i don't to come to this thread or anywhere for that matter with the sincere intention of telling ppl how to use english correctly, nor do i have any reverence for style guides. and looking back at my posts, if i failed to convey a playful tone, or later on got lost on a tangent about style that made sense in my head but that i only formulated here elliptically, then apologies for coming across like somebody who's interested in actually doling out proscriptions. i do appreciate your dogged descriptivism around the board, even if in this thread of all places it seems to me that it's probably okay to share grumpy thoughts once in a while without worrying that others will take them too seriously. my point, if i had one, was really just about people who evidently are invested in sounding erudite, and whether or not holding them to their own (often nonsensical) standards can work as a tactic for deflation. i wasn't trying to suggest that those standards are worth taking very seriously, or that people who don't adhere to them aren't worth reading/listening to

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 07:33 (one year ago)

Bazekali peepl orta tork rite innit.
Uvvawize how dya no vey fink rite.

― Stevo, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 08:09 (one year ago)

but it always raises an eyebrow when a writer chooses this word, presumably to sound highbrow

people who evidently are invested in sounding erudite,

Kind of a weird thing to project onto ppl using a fairly common word

― cozen itt (wins), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 08:20 (one year ago)

“my brother in christ” does seem to be ubiquitous right now and I also hate it

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 10:01 (one year ago)

you hate it in this, the year of our lord 2024

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 10:20 (one year ago)

otoh I'm pretty sure I have been guilty of some variation of this at times:

One that's been annoying me lately is "technical term" followed by some colloquialism, ie "Her behaviour was certainly unusual, I believe the technical term is 'batshit crazy'".

― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 3 March 2024 07:08 bookmarkflaglink

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 10:31 (one year ago)

have we done verbs yet

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:02 (one year ago)

Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

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― H.P, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:06 (one year ago)

This thread-title and post count could be a dril tweet

― H.P, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:06 (one year ago)

I don’t think I have seen this one yet, but in various online meetings, during introductions people will say “popcorn” as a verb. And I am not sure where this usage came from but it is annoying because it makes me envision all the meeting attendees faces at the center of kernels of popcorn like some demented Love Boat credit sequence.

― sarahell, Monday, 11 March 2024 19:51 (one year ago)

I doubt any of those people could do the popcorn if called upon, so they should shut up.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 11 March 2024 19:57 (one year ago)

how do they use it as a verb?

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 11 March 2024 20:52 (one year ago)

yeah, I want to start using this in zoom meetings

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 11 March 2024 20:57 (one year ago)

always good to have some linguistic strategies for making people want to end zoom meetings

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 11 March 2024 20:58 (one year ago)

I'm tired of 'circling back' and 'pumping the brakes,' I need some new meaningless jargon

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 11 March 2024 21:05 (one year ago)

“pumping the brakes” is bad but the verb “brakecheck” to describe trying to lockup a tailgater still feels current.

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Monday, 11 March 2024 21:20 (one year ago)

how do they use it as a verb?

Hi I am Jeff, they/them pronouns, and I am the Community Engagement Director of Arts Org and I will popcorn it over to Kathy

Hi! Kathy here …
Etc

― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 01:35 (one year ago)

Gross

― H.P, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 02:05 (one year ago)

I've heard it used at in-person meetings as "I'm going to ask a question, and let's just popcorn some answers" meaning you want to hear from a bunch of people around the room really quickly.

― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 02:10 (one year ago)

Hi I am Jeff, they/them pronouns

Again I ask, why do people who use they/them pronouns not also use the royal we to refer to themselves?

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 02:15 (one year ago)

i've never been sure why it takes two slashed pronouns

like with she/* or they/* is there something extra the denominator will impart?

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 02:30 (one year ago)

I will popcorn it over to Kathy

Fuck me Ive never heard this usage and this is hilarious.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 03:40 (one year ago)

Corporate world (and I say it as someone in one) is a fucking joke.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 03:40 (one year ago)

yeah that's a new one on me... will get a thrill when it finally makes its way to my institution!

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 03:53 (one year ago)

if ever i try to use this ironically please popcorn me in the nuts

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 04:08 (one year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Popcorn

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 05:37 (one year ago)

Do cinemas have popcorn machines that pop from kernels. Just wondering where the widespread image to tie to the word comes from. I thought microwave and oven pop it yourself varieties were within containers so you wouldn't see process.
I thought brainstorm was the given term.

― Stevo, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 06:50 (one year ago)

Again I ask, why do people who use they/them pronouns not also use the royal we to refer to themselves?

because they/them in this context is not plural

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 07:08 (one year ago)

If popcorn is a product that is encountered ready popped in a bag of butterkist or whatever brand or heated in a stand in a cinema where do you get the cognitive link? Thought you'd need one for the term to work. You used to get clear plastic topped machines where you saw the process, popcorn blizzards.
If I'm getting the usage right. You want a fresh idea from a random member of the group popping up like the popped corn you used to see when that was the process. But metaphor falls flat without the image surely?

― Stevo, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 07:11 (one year ago)

We make popcorn at home in a pot on the stove. The pot has a glass lid, so we can see the kernels popping. It does often look as though the first kernel to go has caused a chain reaction, even though you know it hasn't.

Husband claims that in his giant tech corporation, they use popcorning to refer to the rate at which people are joining an online meeting. When the popping-in of new people slows to an acceptable level, they start the meeting. "Just waiting for the popcorning to stop before we start." But this makes no sense to me either, because why not just say "waiting for the corn to stop popping?"

― trishyb, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 09:18 (one year ago)

disappointing that it doesnt mean that people just sit there bopping along while the hot butter tune plays

― Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 09:31 (one year ago)

unperson no one says "we" because "I" isn't gendered... surely..?

because they/them in this context is not plural

right but what about he/his, she/her. What is the extra info that the bit after the slash provides? no one says "he/her" (although that would be wild and i would be here for it if so)

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 09:31 (one year ago)

i mean.. let's really double click on this

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 09:31 (one year ago)

for uncommon ones like zi/zir, the bit after the slash is informative.

― gene besserit (ledge), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 09:42 (one year ago)

Thinking of popcorned. I was wondering what else popcorn did that other things didnt that other things might be named after. Beyond lying there in a sugary or salty buttery coating like.
Was the inserting one's member into the bottom of a cardboard container full of the stuff to give your date a surprise ever other than fiction and a bit rapey.

― Stevo, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 12:13 (one year ago)

― cozen itt (wins), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 12:18 (one year ago)

ahh that makes sense and I almost like it in that context

― kinder, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 12:31 (one year ago)

I do like it

― cozen itt (wins), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 12:35 (one year ago)

I just like popcorn

― H.P, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 12:51 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1IwDLkw_uw

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 12:57 (one year ago)

My dad used to sing that when making popcorn.

― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:38 (one year ago)

I don't know if this is why it became routine to mention two pronouns, but some people use "she/they" or "he/they" so they need to include both.

I haven't heard "popcorn" as a verb yet, but I'm familiar with "popcorn" style meetings or organized conversations, where you're encouraged to jump in and speak whenever you feel like, as opposed to raising your hand and waiting for the chair to call on you in order.

― rob, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:48 (one year ago)

Looking around, it looks like in the business world, there's a slightly more formal method where "popcorn style" means one person speaks and then designates the next speaker, as sarahell mentioned in the original post. So I guess people took the method name and decided they had to now say "I'm popcorning" lol

― rob, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:51 (one year ago)

No-one actually says "Let a man come in..." then?

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:56 (one year ago)

people use "they/them" or "he/him" because pronouns in English are marked for case, and those are the two forms of their pronoun of choice (subject and object forms anyway... English has the possessive as well but the convention omits that because only their is different from objective form in the possessive*). if my pronouns are "she/her" that means when referring to me, you use those pronouns in their respective cases: "she is coming to the meeting later", "email her to ask why she isn't at the meeting".

we've been using "they" as both the third person singular and plural for hundreds and hundreds of years, so having your pronouns be "she/they" isn't all that strange. I think the novel ze/zim xe/xim ungendered pronouns are interesting but are a really hard sell.

*the possessive in English also isn't really a case the way the other two are, because /s is a (start your comedy engines) clitic

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 14:56 (one year ago)

make that 's

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 14:56 (one year ago)

and I guess I also meant "having your pronouns be she/them" sorry just woke up

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:00 (one year ago)

So like

“She told me to mail it to them once it was ready”

instead of

“She told me to mail it to her once it was ready”

?

I obviously support everybody being called whatever they want but does anyone really do this particular move?

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:21 (one year ago)

No, I guess if you’re unsure you refer to the person as they/them in both instances. Always assumed she/they means a person who is comfortable being called either. My brother is he/they but I’ve never asked him about it.

(Also, pronouns discourse on ilx? 💀)

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:30 (one year ago)

Yeah and tbf none of any of this annoys me, contra the thread title.

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:09 (one year ago)

she/they or he/they could indicate some kind of genderfluid or non-binary identity, but I'm not sure... just ask (respectfully). once you get past the idea of a gender binary being essential, it doesn't really matter why people choose what they choose only that you follow their preference (although linguistically speaking there are probably some practical limits... I've heard about people who want to be addressed with alternating pronouns and while I respect the desire to have their identity acknowledged, that's probably too much cognitive load, especially if your group has some non-native speakers in it).

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:24 (one year ago)

of course if I’m unsure I’ll ask. my question was why anyone chooses to write “he/him” on a bio. I thought there may have been some nuance I was missing.

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 19:38 (one year ago)

have we verbed yet

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 19:41 (one year ago)

Yeah lol sorry for prolonging this utterly cliched subject

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:02 (one year ago)

fwiw Tracer my other guess as to why you would use "he/him" instead of just "he" is that when you're saying these things out loud, articulating both makes it easier for your listener to catch what you're saying (spoken out loud, "he" and "she" sound awfully similar) and remember the correct usage. And then the convention simply carried over to written bios from there

― rob, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:08 (one year ago)

and here in Montreal, my pronouns are he/il lol

― rob, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:09 (one year ago)

― rob, Tuesday, March 12, 2024 8:51 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

We have guinea pigs now and apparently when a guinea pig does a little jump to express happiness it is called popcorning.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:12 (one year ago)

@ Tracer, he/him in a bio makes obvious sense if the individual is trans, or has a fluid mode of presentation whereby their pronouns might not be immediately obvious. Masc-presenting cis men using he/him in their bio was always, I felt, an act of normalisation regarding stating one's gender preference, while acknowledging the possibility that certain individuals who present decisively masculine might have alternate pronouns; a he/him acknowledges that possibility.

The origin of the subjective/possessive pronoun declaration comes from the era of ze/zir and other modified predecessors to the widely-used they/them. He/they and she/they, to the best of my knowledge, are recent mutations of the form to denote a "gender skew"; that either pronoun is appropriate and welcome, and to define oneself as being on a spectrum. I am all-chips-in on this mutation, mutating language is great.

― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:18 (one year ago)

Lol Stevo … the member in the popcorn container is now going to … stick with me

― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:29 (one year ago)

thanks fgti, interesting

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 13:54 (one year ago)

I mean, my bf is cis male he/him but is very enby-presenting, to a point that my friends and family default to they/them usage upon meeting him. He states his pronouns in professional correspondence. I have a gender-neutral friend who used it/its for a decade prior to they/them becoming common usage, and has switched to they/them. My trans friends are funny, if somebody says a they/them (usually by accident) they get funny-mad, "don't you they/them me! these hormones were expensive"

― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 14:39 (one year ago)

lol yes

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 15:31 (one year ago)

My trans friends are the same way when they/themmed— my friend Z gets absolutely furious. He once said to someone at a party, "I am a faggot, if you can't handle that, then stop talking to me!"

I admit that the "she/they" "he/they" thing gets me a little riled up at times for reasons that a lot of queers can probably easily suss out, but that's besides the point.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 15:34 (one year ago)

https://www.eater.com/24022477/why-is-everyone-saying-welcome-in

not sure if this has been covered, but i heard this phrase three times last week, over in-store radio, in ASMR videos... and i found myself turning inside-out, so i searched it up today and found this.

― maelin, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:15 (one year ago)

whoa thank you for looking this up, i have been wondering the same thing. like everyone at work started saying that at once i thought i was losing my mind

― Ryan seaQuest (Will M.), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:36 (one year ago)

saying it even when there's no "in" to welcome me to wtf

― Ryan seaQuest (Will M.), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:36 (one year ago)

heh I hear that mostly in mid-quality restaurants lately.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:38 (one year ago)

it doesn't bother me so much though because as with "Welcome to Denny's", "Hello, how many?", "sit your ass down, this is Dick's", it's all kinda filler that leaves my head 3 seconds later

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:40 (one year ago)

When you sick so sad you cry, and in crying cry a whole leopard from your eye (sad mammal). If you angry so mad ye tongue burst and mouth juice run gall bladder bitter. When you sick so sad you place your face in the puddle of a lay-by waiting for lorry to spash it.

And when you are inside the infinite misery jumper pulling it over and over your head with no hope of ending because it's replicating at the waistband and you never get out.

Then ee welcome. Oh then ee arth welcome in

― cozen itt (wins), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:40 (one year ago)

"What can I get started for you today?" is my personal "welcome in" of this past decade

― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 21:34 (one year ago)

"My name is Earl and I'll be taking care of you tonight."

Oh, thank god, Earl, I can't tell you how long I've waited for someone to take care of me.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 21:45 (one year ago)

Isn’t there a motel chain called the Welcome Inn ?

― sarahell, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 23:20 (one year ago)

Pretty sure we stayed in one on a family trip when I was a kid… I have no negative associations

― sarahell, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 23:22 (one year ago)

weird, “welcome in” sounds like a normal greeting, though within an enclosed space/room/crowd? to me, it doesn’t feel like a novelty.

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 23:40 (one year ago)

Maybe it’s Velkommen, pronounced the American Way.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 14 March 2024 00:38 (one year ago)

I haven't heard it but I would guess its implication is "(You are) welcome in(to our restaurant)." With the words in parentheses presumably omitted because the are understood.

Or maybe "(You are) welcome in our restaurant." When you're here, your family.

Hamlet says "Gentlemen! You are welcome to Elsinore." One doubts he meant that they were welcome to take the castle - merely that they were welcome to be there. Or not to be there.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 March 2024 01:03 (one year ago)

what could possibly be strange or novel about this

are you all insane

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 01:34 (one year ago)

Yeah, "welcome in" is an unremarkable, long-standing phrase on this side of the Atlantic, though I wouldn't expect to hear it as a restaurant greeting.

― Alba, Thursday, 14 March 2024 06:22 (one year ago)

A friend has just arrived at your house with some folk you don't know and they're all shuffling in out of the rain. "Welcome in! Welcome in!"you might say as they filed past.

― Alba, Thursday, 14 March 2024 06:33 (one year ago)

Am now starting to worry darraghmac has Mandela-effected me.

― Alba, Thursday, 14 March 2024 06:34 (one year ago)

you are crazy I would never say this, have never heard it, and would kill anyone who said it to me.

if we'd been chatting on the doorstep for five minutes I might say "well, come in!"

― gene besserit (ledge), Thursday, 14 March 2024 06:37 (one year ago)

Might seem a bit clique.

Does it bypass the welcomed being a drop in til the 3rd generation too.

Like You're one of 'us' now. Just try leaving.

― Stevo, Thursday, 14 March 2024 07:08 (one year ago)

Blow in not drop in.
Like even less agency over where an outsider lives like.

― Stevo, Thursday, 14 March 2024 07:31 (one year ago)

cannot imagine even noticing someone saying “welcome in” much less being enraged by it

if anything “welcome!” just by itself feels weirder to me, slightly formal, like you’re announcing royalty, or you’re translating in your head from willkomen or bienvenue. like you’re going to follow it up with “to our magical world of toys!”

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 March 2024 07:57 (one year ago)

Public Enemy even verbed it - "Would you join me please in welcome-in-ing"

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 14 March 2024 12:01 (one year ago)

I'm afraid we are at an impasse over this, only solution is to ban restaurants

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 March 2024 13:31 (one year ago)

are you all going to pay me then? why does everyone have so much vitriol for food service workers?! that's a real question. why so much hate?

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 13:47 (one year ago)

i welcome people to my class, to my restaurant, occasionally to my home. how is this an issue?! truly do not get it.
the peeving has reached a fever-peeve.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 13:48 (one year ago)

My brother worked as a server for years during after college. He was really good at it, and made a good living. Nothing but respect for people who work in that industry.

I've already noted my dislike of "Are you still working on that?" "I'll be taking care of you" is just another one of those overused and awkward phrases to me.

Not sure about the objection to "welcome in."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 14 March 2024 13:51 (one year ago)

"ban restaurants" was just me making a joke about the absurdity of caring so much about being told "welcome in". I honestly don't care what people say to me when I enter a restaurant or while I'm eating, as long as it isn't "fuck off" or "we want hen fap".

but really I've only ever heard "welcome in" in chain restaurants anyway

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:11 (one year ago)

i want to know why people are so regularly predictably annoyed at restaurant workers when they have chosen to eat in a restaurant. there is no amount of "my sister/brother/younger self worked in restaurants and i have respect" or "i was joking" that will clean the stench of the peeving and hate. why does it bother everyone so much!?

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:16 (one year ago)

(Also, pronouns discourse on ilx? 💀)

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, March 12, 2024 12:30 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

qft

i’m “she/they” at work bc it was a huge fucking struggle to get ppl to call me “they” at work when i was non-binary and i’d like to keep some vestige of that. if you’re annoyed by that on any level fuck off

― ivy., Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:19 (one year ago)

It doesn't bother "everyone." It doesn't bother me. I eat out a lot, and I am rarely annoyed at restaurant workers unless they disappear for long stretches of time while I'm waiting for my meal and/or the check.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:20 (one year ago)

xxxpost I mean speaking just in my case, I legitimately was joking, especially when you see my comments further upthread where I said I am not bothered by people saying "welcome in". thought it was fairly obvious that I don't want to literally ban restaurants, particularly when my best friend works in one.

but perhaps it's time for me to bow out of this thread because frankly i feel like deems and wins are often otm, this thread is just bickering over innocuous phrases that really aren't that big of a deal.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:21 (one year ago)

it is! and it makes actual people feel hated on, which -- if this is not your intention -- maybe think twice before posting?!

i didn't wake up today feeling like the peeve police but here i am

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:23 (one year ago)

probably because i have two doubles to work this week and that's hard enough. seeing contempt for my work just set me off. i am not sorry but i do want to burn this thread to the ground.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:24 (one year ago)

i welcome people to my class, to my restaurant, occasionally to my home. how is this an issue?! truly do not get it.
the peeving has reached a fever-peeve.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, March 14, 2024 9:48 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think it's the fact that people are welcoming people that is the issue. I welcome people all the time at work and it would be weird not to. It's the weird phrase "welcome in". I have never heard nor used that in my life.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:45 (one year ago)

Maybe this exclusively a Scottish thing but does nobody itt welcome in the New Year?

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:53 (one year ago)

When I hear this I hear “Wilkommen” and I imagine I’m at Oktoberfest

― from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64137444

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 March 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

I don’t speak German. I don’t intuit that “Wilkommen” translates to “welcome in” tho.

I don’t care/mind “welcome in”, if I’ve ever heard it I probably just think it sounds like a Red States thing and that’s fine

― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 March 2024 15:19 (one year ago)

"What can I get started for you" doesn't aggravate me, and I assume it's used to remind jerks there's a made-to-order process involved, but it does kinda feel like it's trying to disclaim responsibility for the meal? Like "look, I will initiate the process of your food being prepared, but honestly, a lot of this is out of my hands"

― ን (nabisco), Thursday, 14 March 2024 15:25 (one year ago)

if you go to the Wicker Man restaurant they greet you by singing Sumer is Icumen In

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 14 March 2024 15:26 (one year ago)

they actually do not -- I stayed the night at the Ellangowan and there was no singing! I do firmly believe that the place is haunted though.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 15:27 (one year ago)

I don’t speak German. I don’t intuit that “Wilkommen” translates to “welcome in” tho.

It just translates to welcome.

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 March 2024 15:28 (one year ago)

my dream is shattered... I guess the 70s were the last decade in the West for casual group singing

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 14 March 2024 15:46 (one year ago)

strictly come intuit

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 March 2024 16:32 (one year ago)

while we're picking on unfortunate wait staff, "that's going to be your menu" annoys me no end. It *is* my menu.

― stet, Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:03 (one year ago)

Ofc, La Lechera is correct here. In terms of restaurant customers and wait staff each having legitimate reasons to beef about one another, the wait staff wins hands down 95% of the time. "Welcome in" doesn't even register.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:09 (one year ago)

moving away from food service, sorry or yw...

i know corporate speak is well-trodden itt, but for good reason

actual sentence emailed to me today by a distant higher-up:

This is just an FYI now, i.e. there isn't an immediate ask for you to take action on.

idk what mysterious character trait lurks in the psyche of a person who can compose such a sentence in earnest, but whatever it is, i really believe it is the trait that allows one to make far more money than i ever will in the corporate world. listening to one of these business vanguards rip a full half-hour plus of this on a zoom meeting will always make me think of the washing machine guy from in fabric

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:12 (one year ago)

my direct boss is a large southern man who used to do a traveling poker tournament service out of the trunk of his car. he quickly ascended as a company guy b/c he can drone on with the best of them and approaches the cultist lingo with absolutely zero sense of irony

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:14 (one year ago)

.....

What's wrong with that sentence

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:27 (one year ago)

you're hired!

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:28 (one year ago)

lol and fair but also still

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:52 (one year ago)

i admit it's not the most egregious example, just the latest from a character i find irksome due to a zoom endurance incident

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:03 (one year ago)

More secondhand embarrassment than annoyance but: that “ourahhh!” thing army dudes shout.

― just1n3, Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:09 (one year ago)

what could possibly be strange or novel about this

are you all insane

Seriously! This is more traditional and innocuous than “I appreciate you” …

― sarahell, Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:20 (one year ago)

maybe it's so annoying because it reminds the recipient that they are at work, the only place in society where such sentences feel normal

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:31 (one year ago)

if the point of the thread is "i hate my work" then sure but

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:40 (one year ago)

if we're still talking about my post, that's def not why it's annoying. i assumed sarahell was xposting back to the "welcome in" convo

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:46 (one year ago)

Karl’s annoyance topic… it sounds like something someone typed on their phone using autosuggest…

― sarahell, Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:57 (one year ago)

my direct boss is a large southern man who used to do a traveling poker tournament service out of the trunk of his car

this was the best elevator speech shit the coen brothers ever put on me, but I couldn’t finance it just then

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:19 (one year ago)

"Ask" as a noun (e.g., "What was the ask?") Has that already been mentioned a few dozen times?

― clemenza, Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:22 (one year ago)

"Ask" as a noun (e.g., "What was the ask?") Has that already been mentioned a few dozen times?

I have spent decades in nonprofit fundraising… Ask as a noun is ingrained. Sorry.

― sarahell, Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:42 (one year ago)

just please tell me your asks are actionable or we might have to spitball some BPIs to get these deliverables rerouted to a different pillar of excellence entirely

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:04 (one year ago)

re: restaurant workers, one of my most memorably awkward experiences involved a couple we knew who came over from another neighborhood in L.A., we ordered a pair of pizzas online from one of our local spots. the husband of the other couple and i walked over to pick it up. it had yet to be put in the oven and so we waited about ten minutes. on the way out, we received an apology and a "thanks for your patience" and this other guy i was with grabs the pizzas and says "WHATEVER!" and just storms out in an exaggerated dramatic huff while i stood there, the pizza guy looks at me with a wtf expression, and i had to quickly apologize and then get outta there. it sounds minor maybe, but in the moment it was just such an overreaction to something which i wouldn't even call a mild inconvenience. to me it was a chance to hang and chat a bit while waiting but no...it led to hell hath no fury.

i really despise being with people who condescend or scold or get snappy with service workers, though it's been useful to a degree in figuring out which people i don't want to hang out with anymore.

― omar little, Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:07 (one year ago)

that's what we call "Tuesday"

it's just shocking to me to see people here, in a space i consider fairly reasonable and civilized, punch/peeve down at/be openly irritable toward service workers for the language they use or the fact that they are actually not responsible for making the food themselves (usually). i always come back to the same question -- why the hate?! why do otherwise normal people think it's ok to shit on service workers even if only to criticize their chosen language on a peeve thread on a messageboard?

no one has even tried to answer my question of why. why do you think it's ok to peeve down? peeve on powerful people, not peons.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:17 (one year ago)

The specific phrase ("welcome in") is weird/off-putting/annoying. One can say/believe that while also believing that anyone who treats a waiter like shit should have ground glass put in their food or at the very least permanently banned from that establishment.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:19 (one year ago)

the thing is, it's not! it's not annoying or off-putting. it's completely innocuous. the peeving is unwarranted and therefore seems to be more about the speaker than what they say. like when people peeve on vocal fry or whatever feature of young women's language.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:23 (one year ago)

Nah, as someone who works with words all day, "welcome in" is an unnecessary preposition. It's wrong.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:26 (one year ago)

no one has even tried to answer my question of why. why do you think it's ok to peeve down? peeve on powerful people, not peons.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, March 14, 2024 1:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

Some people want things to be peeved about. It gives them pleasure.

Personally, I think it's not wait staff that are overusing phrases, but diners who are dining out too frequently if they are hearing phrases too often.

xp or word workers working with words too much lol

― felicity, Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:47 (one year ago)

"welcome in" is so innocuous in a world where we have "mouthfeel", "soft opening of a new fast casual concept", and idk "nomgasm" or whatever.

― omar little, Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:51 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHYDTJyZ0Co

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:54 (one year ago)

“Daypart”

― from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:59 (one year ago)

I think these objections to certain word choices are not about hating players, or indeed servers, but more about hating the game/the script.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:06 (one year ago)

Nah, as someone who works with words all day, "welcome in" is an unnecessary preposition. It's wrong.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson)

the fuck is this

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:10 (one year ago)

I expect "come on in" should be peeved on as twice as annoying since it has twice the unnecessary prepositions as "welcome in"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdT8Tlzto20

― felicity, Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:16 (one year ago)

"Welcome" is a one-word sentence. "Come" can be a one-word sentence, but that's rare. It usually requires a preposition, i.e. "come in," "come out," or "come on" (whether you're just using it as an intensifier or as "come on [my face]"). This thread is making me question y'all's literacy.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:20 (one year ago)

welcome does nothing come doesnt

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:27 (one year ago)

Let’s be honest

Nah, as someone who works with words all day, "welcome in" is an unnecessary preposition. It's _wrong_.

1) stealing a living, frankly
2) it’s colloquial, but I guess that would bother you considering you get very upset about metal bands wearing tshirts on magazine covers
3) seriously, you should be showing not telling on the writing, cos the execution on here is terrible.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:28 (one year ago)

god i missed ilx

― ን (nabisco), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:30 (one year ago)

im not out to pick a fight, other than the actual entries to the thread as usual, thats what the thread is

but i dont take english lessons from the brits, be sure i wont from the yanks

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:31 (one year ago)

btw this was the first result for “welcome in”, which I’m not familiar with in the context being complained about at (frankly, weird) length here. Took me a literal second.

Feel like this fella might know more about writing than unperson

Gregory Guy, a professor of sociolinguistics at New York University, says that phenomenon is “called change from below, meaning below the level of conscious awareness. It’s the way most linguistic changes start out.” He continues: “The mechanism for that is considered to be accommodation. If we put two strangers in a room and they talk for 15 minutes, some little things about the way they speak might become more similar.”

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:31 (one year ago)

god i missed ilx

LG and now you, hang the (actual) banner

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:32 (one year ago)

I have spent decades in nonprofit fundraising... Ask as a noun is ingrained. Sorry.

Has it been around that long? Didn't know that. I'd never heard it used that way until some point within the last decade. It just sounds wrong to me. I asked a question, he gave his answer. "Did you remember to ask him?" "Yes." "What was his give?"

― clemenza, Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:33 (one year ago)

Pleasure peeving is a novel concept for me. I also don’t buy the “hating the game not the players” explano-excuse. It’s still peeving down.

Also ftr I too spend all day with words and somehow manage to not peeve pedantically.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:37 (one year ago)

This thread is making me question y'all's literacy.

so "y'all" is OK but "welcome in" is not, got it

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:42 (one year ago)

Feel like this fella might know more about writing than unperson

I'll go up against a professor of sociolinguistics in a "writing for an audience of normal humans" contest any time.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:42 (one year ago)

LG and now you, hang the (actual) banner

You rang?

Hi!

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:43 (one year ago)

https://i.postimg.cc/dVHHhPHq/IMG-7172.jpg

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:44 (one year ago)

xp God I could not have timed that any better 👋🏻

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:44 (one year ago)

questioning our all's literacy on this terminally moribund text-based Transatlantic/Transoceanic message board! The gloves are off!

also hello in orbit!

― felicity, Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:47 (one year ago)

hi unperson, I'm here with some friendly unsolicited advice that I often would do well to heed myself: just take the 'W' in your own mind and stop digging the hole any deeper.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:50 (one year ago)

For the record, I’m not peeving down at servers. My sister has been working in hospitality for the past 20 years, and she is very good at her job. I am very specifically peeving at hospitality scripts imposed by employers of people like my sister, who I would never blame or moan at for patter I find annoying.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:54 (one year ago)

Motion to replace "welcome in" with "come my lady"

― jaymc, Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:55 (one year ago)

Time is passing, I'm asking could this be real

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:57 (one year ago)

Seems a good time to mention that customers, esp in restaurants have an annoying script that we have to listen to, too. Wait staff don’t actually have much choice in what we say, and we have to say it over and over again so expecting us to come up with novel niceties for each customer is a bit much, and customers actually do have a choice. It’s been 16 yrs since I waited tables but I did it full time for 8 yrs and believe me, you guys are just as annoying and speak in cliches. The number of times I wanted to say “ gee whiz I’ve never heard that one before” why rolling my eyes.

My favorite was old white men asking for “the william” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

― just1n3, Thursday, 14 March 2024 21:59 (one year ago)

I’m waiting tables right now and unfortunately don’t have the protection of time, distance, or being anyone’s sister. Going to assume everyone is quietly seething at me, wish me luck!

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 March 2024 22:21 (one year ago)

Oo-rah is the Marine Corps.

Army dudes say hoo-ah.

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 March 2024 23:06 (one year ago)

(I don't know if the Navy or Air Force have things they' supposed to say. Space Force presumably has "Pew! Pew!" Or "Bleep-blorp.")

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 March 2024 23:10 (one year ago)

I just assumed hoo-ah was a Pacino-ism

― jaymc, Thursday, 14 March 2024 23:18 (one year ago)

I’m assuming perving down on servers is bad, too

― from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 March 2024 23:34 (one year ago)

I never really thought about this before but it's kind of odd that the unaccommodating, snooty waiter is such a trope. I would think that in most circumstances, the customers with the resources to go out to dinner are more likely to be higher SES than the service worker bringing them their food. I suppose when going out to eat was more of a special occasion, people would save up and go to fancy restaurants where they cultivated a vibe of higher class. But I can't help but think that the trope largely exists as cover for punching down.

I don't think I've heard "welcome in" in the wild, or at least haven't registered it, and it sounds pretty weird to my ears. But that's how language develops! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 15 March 2024 00:04 (one year ago)

"What can I get started for you" doesn't aggravate me, and I assume it's used to remind jerks there's a made-to-order process involved, but it does kinda feel like it's trying to disclaim responsibility for the meal? Like "look, I will initiate the process of your food being prepared, but honestly, a lot of this is out of my hands"

Oh fun, nabisco’s back. Hi nabisco! I get your reasoning here but I would prefer a “whaddaya want?” or the traditional “may I take your order?” “What can I get started for you today?” sounds so PR firm, reminds me of the Windows 95 “where do you want to go today?” tagline in their ads

I don’t like “I appreciate you” at all, I would say it to somebody I desire to keep at arm’s length and I take it to mean the same when it is said to me

― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:16 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TJ2v9O2iEo

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:18 (one year ago)

Personally, when I go to a restaurant, I'm mostly there for food, drink and to socialise. Whatever the restaurant staff said or didn't say is completely forgotten by me the instant after its been said. Unless it's an "I piss on your mother's grave" or something, but haven't got that one yet. Ya'll are a bunch of Larry David's I swear

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 00:26 (one year ago)

But I also think Larry David is hilarious so please keep this long running skit going

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 00:27 (one year ago)

I’m with LL here, the ire that some of you show toward service workers just goes to show that you never were one or forgot what it was like, and in the former case, you can quite literally fuck off, and in the latter case, maybe jog your memory a bit.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:31 (one year ago)

Staff should start barking "COME!" like Patrick Stewart instead.

PS I have never ever heard anyone say "welcome in", it doesnt seem that odd in any case, and dont waitstaff usually say "table for 2?" or "do you have a booking" or "please leave without making a scene"?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:43 (one year ago)

If only they said "WERK!" then we'd all be happy

― felicity, Friday, 15 March 2024 00:47 (one year ago)

If they didn’t want me to make a scene, they shouldn’t have used words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of me

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 00:51 (one year ago)

Gonna wear a shirt with a qr-code linking to this thread to all further dining experiences, just so no one has any excuses

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 00:52 (one year ago)

Welcome Miami

― budo jeru, Friday, 15 March 2024 01:01 (one year ago)

just please tell me your asks are actionable or we might have to spitball some BPIs to get these deliverables rerouted to a different pillar of excellence entirely

My asks are generally about the action of getting paid.

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 02:45 (one year ago)

The latest nugget of corporate jargon I have come to be required to accept is referring to an Excel spreadsheet as a "source of truth".

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 March 2024 02:46 (one year ago)

_I have spent decades in nonprofit fundraising... Ask as a noun is ingrained. Sorry._

Has it been around that long? Didn't know that. I'd never heard it used that way until some point within the last decade. It just sounds wrong to me. I asked a question, he gave his answer. "Did you remember to ask him?" "Yes." "What was his give?"

I think it’s definitely been over 15 years… as in, meaning a specific amount from a funder or category of donor (e.g. board members ) or a fundraising campaign… “the ask is $20k to fix the roof”

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 02:59 (one year ago)

xp i'm sorry i don't believe you

― mookieproof, Friday, 15 March 2024 03:42 (one year ago)

I have no particular feelings about "welcome in" but like Trayce I have literally never heard it. I'm assuming it's American English...

― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 15 March 2024 04:08 (one year ago)

I think these objections to certain word choices are not about hating players, or indeed servers, but more about hating the game/the script.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, March 14, 2024 5:06 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

100% agree. I do not like the phrase because it sounds very unnatural to my ears. There is absolutely no judgement attached to anyone who uses it for me. I've never even heard it but imagining it said feels off. I didn't see anyone post anything that was negative about customer service workers at all but want to be clear I was just talking about a two word phrase because language things like this are interesting to me and nothing more. I didn't read the article so there might be something there but otherwise I just want to be clear that I wasn't remotely judging servers or any customer service workers.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 04:46 (one year ago)

I dunno, thats reads like something someone judging service workers would say

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 06:55 (one year ago)

I think living amongst the Australian vocab really immunizes the individual to any qualms about unnatural sayings and the like

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 06:57 (one year ago)

current usage of “to eat” for positive super-performance is waaay off to my ear and annoys me

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Friday, 15 March 2024 09:30 (one year ago)

so bad

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 March 2024 09:36 (one year ago)

“that song honks” on the other hand

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 March 2024 09:37 (one year ago)

Pew pew

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 09:51 (one year ago)

I think living amongst the Australian vocab really immunizes the individual to any qualms about unnatural sayings and the like

Dont come the raw prawn with me, you chuzwozzer.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 15 March 2024 10:12 (one year ago)

current usage of “to eat” for positive super-performance is waaay off to my ear and annoys me

Ah, the anti-AAVE and anti-queer nature of many of this thread’s complaints emerges.

Grow up.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 10:53 (one year ago)

current usage of “to eat” for positive super-performance is waaay off to my ear and annoys me

Eating! That's where I'm a Viking!"

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 March 2024 10:57 (one year ago)

“to eat” is a queer thing?

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 March 2024 11:03 (one year ago)

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 15 March 2024 11:07 (one year ago)

Thanks, TS.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 11:17 (one year ago)

I love eat/ate/no crumbs comments.

― steely flan (suzy), Friday, 15 March 2024 11:46 (one year ago)

*checks queer etymology for dummies*

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Friday, 15 March 2024 11:54 (one year ago)

Whenever a new piece of slang emerges into the mainstream it's safe to assume it's taken from either aave, queer culture or (more recently, and regrettably) incel culture

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 15 March 2024 12:08 (one year ago)

A lot of the terms complained about here are terms that do originate from various minority communities and honestly the age difference on ilx is really glaring at these times, not necessarily in terms of “wow ilx is really old” because age doesn’t matter unless you insist on unironically doing the Grandpa Simpson bit (which many of you seem to, fuck knows why) but in terms of how some of you just do not have any familiarity with evolving use of language or slang and it’s everyone else’s problem, not yours.

I like though don’t use “ate/left no crumbs” myself but through a younger friend I am ALL IN on the various uses of cook, e.g:

cook that fraud

he cooked

let him cook

I don’t know particular origins of this but I do know I picked this up off a younger friend and use it constantly now & it rules tbh. Broadening your lexicon, it’s not a bad thing (unless it’s corporate speak tbh)

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:16 (one year ago)

twitch streamers and their chat also produce a lot of slang. and tiktok of course

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 15 March 2024 12:29 (one year ago)

I like hearing about ones itt that I haven't actually encountered anywhere (increasingly the case not just for age but for considerably curtailed sm use). I've also been enjoying 'let x cook' which I'm guessing you could trace back over ten years as per Breaking Bad popularity but somehow it feels like it only reached saturation point much more recently.

― nashwan, Friday, 15 March 2024 12:34 (one year ago)

i get my understanding of most of these from football twitter

its enough, quite enough

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:35 (one year ago)

with loads of Americans following football teams now it’s really funny to see Americans on social media using classic football terms like “bottle job”, “Citeh” and so on.

Also, they all say “nonce” now. The flattening of regional language facilitated by social media, in this essay I will

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:42 (one year ago)

My friend mentioned previously texted me re her worries re some Liverpool match(she’s a fan, I’m not) and said “I would almost rather have City score and lose us the title than listen to those bottle job gunners tell us this is their year”.

Like! You were born in Boston! It’s very funny (to me).

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:45 (one year ago)

still not buying the "hate the game not the player" argument on the basis that separating the speaker from the words they speak in a peeve thread about language use is not possible. it's baked in. suggesting otherwise seems disingenuous at best. more likely no one wants to be seen as a hater of powerless people.

and it’s everyone else’s problem, not yours
otm

had a perfectly decent night at work last night btw and asked people if i could get something started for them with absolute abandon and impunity

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:47 (one year ago)

nice

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:49 (one year ago)

"that eats" is just objectively bad, too much crossover with conflicting expressions like "eat shit" or "eat me" etc

"let him cook" is of course immortal at this point

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:49 (one year ago)

also i think a lot of the appropriation of language from other cultures has to do with us living in a text-heavy environment. much easier to appropriate language in writing than to speak it out loud irl. (to gyac's point)

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:50 (one year ago)

“I would almost rather have City score and lose us the title than listen to those bottle job ~~gunners~~ gooners tell us this is their year”

fixed

― shave and a haircut, two brits (Matt #2), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:57 (one year ago)

Oh Matt you are not going to like what the term “gooners” means now.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 12:59 (one year ago)

Separating the speaker from the words they speak in a peeve thread about language use is not possible. it's baked in. suggesting otherwise seems disingenuous at best. more likely no one wants to be seen as a hater of powerless people.

I think it really is possible and I resent the implication that anyone saying so actually just hates powerless people. We are literally talking about a two word phrase here. I wasn't even imagining servers saying it when I thought about it - my first scenario was someone saying it to me when welcoming me to their home and it still felt weird. I imagined myself welcoming guests at work because it is part of my role to greet visitors and offer them drinks and I always say either just Welcome! or Welcome to "place of employment". I don't really understand how this has blown up into something bigger than a simple phrase that has supposedly become popular.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 13:08 (one year ago)

lt isn’t possible, you are making bad excuses

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 13:29 (one year ago)

That's fine you can think that but I truly believe it is and when I say I think the phrase sounds odd there is no larger meaning to that. At all. This is not about the people who say it and it never was. It's about a stupid phrase and nothing more. Tbc I am one of these powerless people in my job and I grew up in the hospitality industry and was a server for years so if anything I try to be extra respectful with any kinds of customer service ppl.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 13:38 (one year ago)

i think theres been a strong element of overzealous language policing on this one and the attack element on service workers- jobs most of us will have done in our lives- has been massively overstated

we all get an opinion on it, there's mine

ofc i strongly defend the right of all to language police in this of all threads

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 13:49 (one year ago)

trying not to shit-stir here, but I actually thought the start for all this was a different post--not by ENBB--that was explicitly about servers

I kind of want to start a "curious phrases" thread as there are a couple of local usages I've been intrigued by lately. Everyone in Montreal (yes, I know literally tout le monde ici) has been saying "if ever" lately, and I can't figure out if it's a french crossover or I just never noticed this common expression before

― rob, Friday, 15 March 2024 13:55 (one year ago)

you're not sure if its ever been commonly used before, if ever?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 13:55 (one year ago)

lol fair, but it's used more specifically like this:

"If ever there's interest"
"I am exhausted but if ever you were available"
"Lemme know if ever there's anything else I can help with"
"no rush, if ever you can send it along by Monday"

two of those are direct quotes from a francophone friend, but the others are from anglophones

― rob, Friday, 15 March 2024 13:59 (one year ago)

thats quute normal but it is a bit jane austen, possibly via richard curtis, right?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:09 (one year ago)

xp start that thread so I can link my favourite Wikipedia page of all time

xps gentlemen, you can’t police language in here, the language cop thread

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:09 (one year ago)

deems otm. also, this thread gets ridiculous quite often with the phrases that get complained about but why do we really believe there's a deep-seated contempt for servers on ILX of all places? it feels a lot like ENBB and/or everyone else being criticized for 'hating service industry workers' are having a lot projected onto them. why are we having the "This is what you REALLY meant" Olympics in here?

95% of this thread is making fun of things said in a work environment to begin with.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:10 (one year ago)

separating the speaker from the words they speak in a peeve thread about language use is not possible. it's baked in.

LL is 100% correct here

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:11 (one year ago)

except the assumption is that the disdain for the phrase is disdain for everyone who belongs to the industry in which the phrase is heard, which is....a huge leap in logic.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:12 (one year ago)

Neanderthal otm

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:13 (one year ago)

Oh Matt you are not going to like what the term “gooners” means now.

I looked this up and hmm yes, actually it's not too bad a metaphor for Arsenal's wait for a league title

― shave and a haircut, two brits (Matt #2), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:13 (one year ago)

like...I can only speak for me, but my initially assumption was that the phrase "welcome in" came from corny managers and executives making six figures, and was forced upon service workers to say, similar to how people who work at Firehouse are told they have to say "welcome to Firehouse".

and we spend most of our time in this thread mocking the out of touch nature of corporate speak.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:15 (one year ago)

except the assumption is that the disdain for the phrase is disdain for everyone who belongs to the industry in which the phrase is heard, which is....a huge leap in logic.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, March 15, 2024 10:12 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Exactly.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:17 (one year ago)

Love to be lectured by people who would collapse if they had to do the work that people like LL and I do on busy nights at the bar/restaurant.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 14:49 (one year ago)

The phrase sounds fine to me, but one of the things I (lol) appreciate about this thread is that there are a lot of people from other English speaking places with regional differences in language! I totally respect and understand ENBB feelings about it and don’t see it as anything other than something she perceived as an awkward turn of phrase.

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

except the assumption is that the disdain for the phrase is disdain for everyone who belongs to the industry

I think it's a fair assessment, as I haven't really seen anyone who dislikes the phrase explain why they dislike it in linguistic terms* that would eliminate "the people who say it" as a contributing factor. if you're saying the usage is wrong but can't tell me why it is wrong purely in terms of language use, are you really talking about words?

like, if you ask me if I am racist I will say no, I am not. that doesn't mean you are wrong if you point out something I do is racist, and when that happens I should probably consider your take, because "I don't think I'm a racist, so nothing I do can be racist" isn't great.

*someone said the preposition was unnecessary, but... redundant and unnecessary words are used constantly and without critique in English, so that doesn't hold water as an explanation (for example, few of you are probably angry that I said "doesn't hold water" instead of the more concise "holds no water" that omits the redundant verb "do" and requires an apostrophe).

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:00 (one year ago)

doesn't require an apostrophe

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:02 (one year ago)

Love to be lectured by people who would collapse if they had to do the work that people like LL and I do on busy nights at the bar/restaurant.

You do remember I spent years cleaning up after you and your friends at shows and poetry readings, yeah?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 15:03 (one year ago)

Xposts - That is exactly why though - it is redundant and sounds unnecessary. Of course there are other examples but in this particular instance it seems unnecessary and sounds very odd. Sorry that holds no water but I do think that's exactly why it sounds a bit funny.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:05 (one year ago)

why only in this instance? if it is redundant and unnecessary you don't like, surely the most frequently redundant and unnecessary usages in English (like meaningless do) would make up the bulk of this thread. they don't.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:08 (one year ago)

It's not only in this instance but that's the one that was brought up and that everyone was discussing.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:14 (one year ago)

why did you include the unnecessary and redundant "it's not only in this sentence but" in your post, I thought you cared about eliminating such things

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:19 (one year ago)

why did you include the unnecessary and redundant "it's not only in this sentence but" in your post, I thought you cared about eliminating such things

Why are you going off on her?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 15:24 (one year ago)

f. hazel, you're really going to compare this to racism? That's a bad (and problematic) analogy for a lot of reasons.

This is a thread about annoying phrases. It often involves phrases heard in the workplace. I and others have brought out own examples.

I would wager many itt bringing their own examples are in thankless jobs where they are underpaid and governed by toxic management.

I worked in the service industry for years and left it purely due to the toxicity and it's obviously gotten worse since then. That's not lost on me.

That doesn't mean "mentioning the phrase 'welcome in' is annoying" is an assault on the service industry.

But this is also a thread where it was believed that I actually wanted to ban restaurants so y'know what, fuck this thread

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:27 (one year ago)

Also it's pretty gross to make ENBB a whipping person in all this

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:27 (one year ago)

(and I was on team "who fuckin cares" when it comes to the phrase!)

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:31 (one year ago)

omg

my specific bouef with her posts was the claim that you could separate disdain/contempt for the phrase from disdain/contempt for the speaker. that's just not true. suggesting that is disingenuous. if ANYONE would simply admit that they have unacknowledged/unexamined disdain for service workers (evidenced throughout this gargantuan thread) we could stop having this conversation.

the language is a proxy. like dress codes are a proxy.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:37 (one year ago)

I reject the idea that I have unacknowledged disdain for service workers because I find a particular turn of phrase strange. That is actually an insane and completely out of bounds claim to make. I will state again that I have been a busgirl, a waitress, a hostess and a bartender. I have worked 3 coffee shops. My mother's career was being a hostess. I have considered going back into hospitality so that is just not true. I can think a phrase sounds funny without having contempt for someone using it.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:41 (one year ago)

this is not about you, specifically

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:42 (one year ago)

thanks for calling me insane though

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:43 (one year ago)

if ANYONE would simply admit that they have unacknowledged/unexamined disdain for service workers (evidenced throughout this gargantuan thread) we could stop having this conversation.

"Confess! Confess!"

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:43 (one year ago)

wow

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:44 (one year ago)

I did not call you insane. I said that was an insane claim to make which it is. You keep saying that I clearly hate service workers which just is not true.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:45 (one year ago)

I cannot stand the phrase "cooperative learning" so I guess I have contempt for teaching?

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:45 (one year ago)

LL, just as I came off like an asshole yesterday, you are coming off like an asshole today. You're not alone, but it's particularly unusual for you — I think you're one of ILX's most empathetic posters most of the time. This discussion is getting the better of you, for some reason, and I don't think you can see it.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 March 2024 15:48 (one year ago)

hate to inform on the language cop thread, but did you all miss these other posts or something?

"What can I get started for you today?" is my personal "welcome in" of this past decade
***
"My name is Earl and I'll be taking care of you tonight."
Oh, thank god, Earl, I can't tell you how long I've waited for someone to take care of me.
***
I've already noted my dislike of "Are you still working on that?" "I'll be taking care of you" is just another one of those overused and awkward phrases to me.
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"What can I get started for you" doesn't aggravate me, and I assume it's used to remind jerks there's a made-to-order process involved, but it does kinda feel like it's trying to disclaim responsibility for the meal? Like "look, I will initiate the process of your food being prepared, but honestly, a lot of this is out of my hands"
***
while we're picking on unfortunate wait staff, "that's going to be your menu" annoys me no end. It *is* my menu.

― rob, Friday, 15 March 2024 15:54 (one year ago)

I am curious if there’s anyone here who hasn’t been a service worker at some point in their lives?

I don’t want to assume that everyone has had to be “the help” and have their language controlled/determined

I cannot stand the phrase "cooperative learning" so I guess I have contempt for teaching?

What does it refer to?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 15:55 (one year ago)

I am curious if there’s anyone here who hasn’t been a service worker at some point in their lives?

I never waited tables per se, but my first job at 15 was at Baskin-Robbins (ice cream store); I was also a convenience store cashier, worked in a bakery, and was a cashier at one of the food courts in Newark Airport, and at Barnes & Noble (they eventually moved me to the stockroom because I was tired of dealing with the public by then).

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 March 2024 16:30 (one year ago)

Nobody asked me, but I think it is possible to find a phrase weird or off-putting while still a) being 100% OK with other people using it, and b) understanding and appreciating how language evolves. Nineteen years ago on this very thread, I posted that "I kind of despise brain fart." And I still do! But that's my problem; I'm not going to judge you if you say it. The modern use of "eat"/"ate" has a similar slightly grating quality to me, but I'm simultaneously delighted by its existence.

It wouldn't have occurred to me find "welcome in" unusual (maybe because it's something I've heard often enough at restaurants without really registering it), and so it doesn't bother me. But the discussion on this thread, and the Eater article that was posted, made me realize that it is a little odd, in fact, and I can see how someone might bristle at it. I find that interesting! I don't doubt that some people are contemptuous of people who say phrases they dislike, but I don't think that disliking a phrase is intrinsically tied to contempt for its speaker.

― jaymc, Friday, 15 March 2024 16:35 (one year ago)

i was at a restaurant today (in England) and the waitress and my friend the customer spent about 10 minutes in total apologising to each other

― kinder, Friday, 15 March 2024 16:36 (one year ago)

xp I don't think reasonable takes like that are allowed on this thread any more, sorry

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 15 March 2024 16:37 (one year ago)

I've never heard welcome in. Perhaps I have simply not been worthy of welcoming in.

― Jeff, Friday, 15 March 2024 16:50 (one year ago)

i was at a restaurant today (in England) and the waitress and my friend the customer spent about 10 minutes in total apologising to each other

― kinder,

out of Becket.

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2024 16:53 (one year ago)

ok i went for a walk (which i had planned to do anyway, not because of anything here) and am relieved that no one has chimed in to agree that i am being an asshole. i'm going to take the liberty of writing a little more than i usually do.

one of the reasons i am good at my jobs (teacher and server) and actually rather enjoy both is because i genuinely like interacting with people, and it's easy for me. i like it AND i am good at it. i can be my best self, and enjoy it. especially on a limited basis, with a time constraint after which i can say goodbye. i get to interact with people, be genuine, and overall spread goodwill. that is pretty cheesy, but that's me.

i am also longtime ilxor and, as noted in one of my posts from two years ago that i am too tired to look up again, an admitted glutton for punishment. i wandered into this thread years ago to see what people find annoying. and what did i find? i am the person they find annoying. it's me. the friendly actually hoping you have a great night person serving your dinner. seeing that made me feel bad, i will admit that. it was like seeing a conversation in which students are talking about how annoying i am. it made me feel bad. personally, i don't think that is weird. i am both friendly and sensitive.

so i tried to stand up for myself, over and over. and over and over people would tell me that i am not seeing what i am seeing, an annoyance with people who are trying to provide good service. people who actually want you to have a great night. people like me.

whether or not anyone here is able to separate the speaker from their language? i will adjust my appraisal to idk but that is why i am reacting so strongly. it hurt my feelings to see that people found me annoying. the end. :)

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 17:17 (one year ago)

tl;dr -- i should have more self-control and not look. i have gotten a lot better in this regard but not enough apparently.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 17:20 (one year ago)

_Love to be lectured by people who would collapse if they had to do the work that people like LL and I do on busy nights at the bar/restaurant._

You do remember I spent years cleaning up after you and your friends at shows and poetry readings, yeah?

I wasn’t talking to you, sarahell, but I also distinctly remember helping you fold chairs and clean up on numerous occasions, so maybe pick on someone else

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 18:02 (one year ago)

LL, I get what yr saying and feel like part of what’s happening here is that you and I are saying “this really feels bad for these reasons” and people are like “no it doesn’t because that isn’t what i am doing”

but that is what we perceive them to be doing, which should be enough of a reason to…not do it! but alas.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 18:08 (one year ago)

ENBB otm. Finding a particular turn of phrase annoying, overused, awkward, etc. does not imply disdain or hostility to the speaker. I find some of the language used by members of my own profession at least as annoying as anything used by someone in food service.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 18:10 (one year ago)

you and I are saying “this really feels bad for these reasons” and people are like “no it doesn’t because that isn’t what i am doing”

What I read was "this feels bad because you are expressing hostility toward people in my line of work" which, speaking for myself, was certainly not my intent.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 18:12 (one year ago)

So nobody can say that a phrase used by customer service people annoys them in a thread about annoying phases?

I have seen many examples in here of things I have used/said both in work communication and othwrwise. I am sure other people have as well. I have never assumed that meant the poster would hate me if I used that phrase with them.

Why shouldn't it be enough when people are telling you that definitely isn't why they meant/felt? I think there is a whole lot of projecting going on here.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 18:14 (one year ago)

but that is what we perceive them to be doing, which should be enough of a reason to…not do it! but alas.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)

you are each demanding that what you insist is happening is in fact happening

it hasnt been happening and i don't see why anyone should have to agree it is, regardless of that insistence

forcing any topic as uncontroversial as this into "this makes me feel x y and z" in order to lecture ppl is not a good behaviour and not rushing to feed it is not an attack- nor is it telling anyone "you are not feeling x y or z"

at worst its a fairly ambivalent "feel x, y or z so that's not really what was said but whatever"

do you think people have to do more than that whether they agree with you or not? that's pretty controlling behaviour imo and i think it's actually healthier to call it out.

your own entry was provocative and dramatic, but it was no more a reflection of the actual discussion as any other spin on things from anyone else. the phrasing around this discussion has been several different things at once and nobody gets to insist its any one thing, but even if they had that right - does anyone claim that right?- the angle being pushed here is an extremely forced one as far a i can see it.

and i started out noting that having an issue with the phrase is weird, fwiw.

ppl had already said theyd worked or continue to work service jobs prior to your line of "the work we do would kill u normies", a level of input that is far below what you are well capable of and its not in harshness that i say that!

i think neanderthal very clearly set out the acres of difference between finding many elements of - lets call it US service speak- grating or irritating or whatever and stating "i hate service staff" and ppl cannot make that any clearer without it becoming a case of everyone posting only in a fashion and manner to please a very small and limited opinion set and sensitivity here. its gone a long way into persecution complex, again i dont see whats healthy about boosting that if one doesnt in any way agree with it

to the nub of it, its simply not reasonable behaviour and - again- nobody should be fingerwagged into thinking it is, and tbh conversely nobody on the other side should be encouraged into thinking it is.

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 18:34 (one year ago)

otm.

i think LL's reaction is totally normal and human. it can't feel good to imagine people groaning behind your back at the phrases you use to facilitate countless interactions per shift. but some posters' annoyance at certain phrases doesn't nec mean that they are exposing their unconcious resentment toward actual people. even if we zoom out and see patterns of language bias that reflect classism or various other isms it doesn't mean each individual case is a matter of moral shortcoming

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 15 March 2024 18:43 (one year ago)

I've only read some of this (catch-up on all the fun you guys been having later) but isn't stuff like this:

"My name is Earl and I'll be taking care of you tonight."

Phrases that the worker has been coached to say, things they must say otherwise they won't work there?

Whereas a way of communicating in an email, or everyday interaction is a thing that people unthinkingly pick up and start using. They don't have to do that.

So I can understand the annoyance. Being told what to say, and then having someone find that thing they probably might not say as annoying - just adds up to humiliation.

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 March 2024 18:55 (one year ago)

I honestly have no idea whether anyone is "required" to say that. If so, then let's chalk it up as one more example of corporate-speak. If it's freestyling on the part of the speaker, then I'll just say I don't like it. It sounds too, I don't know, intimate and overbearing.

All of that said, this is, like most of the gripes mentioned in this thread, a very minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 19:14 (one year ago)

I mean, I can't imagine running a restaurant and obliging my staff to say something in particular to the staff, but then again, I don't run a restaurant.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 19:15 (one year ago)

*to the customers

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 19:15 (one year ago)

xxxpost Oh, there is most definitely "house style" in many office jobs. how many times have examples itt come from things overheard when calling a call center?

For call center employees (which is my industry), the agent greetings, the way they word things, the way they structure calls - this is all meticulously plotted out, usually by people who have never done the job in their lives. In other office jobs, things like work signatures, specific verbiage to use when referring to things in meetings, it might not be scripted, but these are things that are also crafted by rich assholes from above. I had one client project where I basically dreaded leading meetings because I had to tick so many boxes of how the big boss wanted it done, right down to specific words I was not allowed to say, or certain ways I had to refer to things.

that's part of my overarching point, that - for many of us, we are well aware that these sayings are things that come from six figure dorks who have no clue how how to wait tables, bartender, or what customers want, and if I were to be annoyed by anything a server/bartender said on that level, I've usually assumed it's a 'house style' thing and I'm poking fun at the out of touch dorks who pat themselves on the back for these stupid innovations. (generally speaking, though, things I hear in restaurants/bars don't bother me).

I realize not everybody is like that, and some, consciously or subconsciously, do come at it from a place of condescension. and I know that servers often get blamed for things they had nothing to do with - the same thing happens in my industry as well. I think starting from a starting by asking "why do you all hate service workers?" rather than merely asking "hey uh, what's wrong with these sayings? they're innocuous and btw, things I have to say daily" is what kind of enflamed things. I'm sure that'll be called 'tone policing', but I just don't see why the least charitable interpretation is often the one gravitated to the fastest here.

phrases I say by choice and things that I've said on account of my job have appeared itt often, even in the last two weeks - sometimes I've even been defensive about it and asked 'hey what's wrong w/ that?'. I was just taken aback by the escalation to "you hate service workers" and also taking my awful attempt at a restaurant version of A Modest Proposal at face value.

I don't dislike anybody itt and I don't feel good that anybody gets mistreated at their job so...I'll leave it at that.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 19:18 (one year ago)

once again

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-prole-info-abolish-restaurants

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 19:46 (one year ago)

Hello there!

Where? I’m here! Hello here!

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 19:53 (one year ago)

“Boho-alr”

― calstars, Friday, 15 March 2024 19:59 (one year ago)

deems, our feelings around this issue are happening, and so to have many posters say “but that isn’t what’s happening” can feel like those many posters are saying that our feelings don’t matter. that’s fine, but it still makes me (at least) feel not great.

i also do admit that some of my recent posting in this thread is not wonderful, but seeing as how i have been staring down a tunnel of insolvency for years and a lot of things are coming to a head right now might help to explain some of the resentment and bile in my posts. apologies.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 19:59 (one year ago)

“Separating the speaker from the words they speak in a peeve thread about language use is not possible. it's baked in. suggesting otherwise seems disingenuous at best. more likely no one wants to be seen as a hater of powerless people.”

Yeah this is how I feel. It’s not complaining about random words in the air flying up to you unspoken and unwritten, like unmanned words in space… you’re complaining about the people saying them.

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 19:59 (one year ago)

it seems self evident to me but w/e

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 20:00 (one year ago)

TS: posters vs posers

― calstars, Friday, 15 March 2024 20:08 (one year ago)

Except we have said repeatedly that we are not and it seems self evident to me that what you're claiming is absurd but w/e.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 20:12 (one year ago)

Language how does it work

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 20:21 (one year ago)

what even is language.. a way to communicate?

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 20:22 (one year ago)

Language is a virus

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 20:23 (one year ago)

is having a report in school heavily marked down for poor writing an expression of disdain for the student?

this thread is for words, usages, and phrases people hate. if that's inherently shitting on the people who use these words, then we might as well lock thread as then the thread is just for openly shitting on people.

(I don't think it is, even though I often roll my eyes at this thread, but at this point I think the thread has very little utility and I don't think this discussion is ever going to resolve).

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 March 2024 20:25 (one year ago)

My default after in many cases almost twenty years of interacting with y'all here is to trust a poster's sincerity and not to think the poster is classist, racist, or operating on bad faith.

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2024 20:26 (one year ago)

I think the binary being set up there doesn't quite work, though I agree boiling it down to "I don't like these words in this order" is a little absurd. A word or series of words cannot be objectively annoying; the context, including but not exclusively who's speaking, is clearly vital even if it's not necessarily strictly personal.

imo there's something key missing from this discussion: emotional labour. Including: the emotional labour that service workers must do, the culturally reinforced language used to do that labour, the language workers are explicitly trained to use for emotional labour by an employer, resentment over the perceived insincerity or superfluity of emotional labour on the consumers' part, + resentment over the social expectation that one participate in (possibly) rote or false rituals of hospitality, and the draining and psychologically harmful effects of doing emotional labour.

― rob, Friday, 15 March 2024 20:30 (one year ago)

I use a lot of these “annoying” words at my job, they are honestly helpful in describing things. Like “ask”. So yeah I guess I feel like I’m being told not to use these words because I’m being a dork or something?

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:12 (one year ago)

The words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of people in this thread tend to be ones that imply some unpleasant pretentiousness on the part of the speaker, as in, they should have just used a plain old word rather than spice things up. Pretentious.

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:14 (one year ago)

I have used it too because it's the common office language now and it's just what people do. It doesn't make you a dork at all and I don't think anyone is saying not to use them. I hate all the corporate phrases but I'm sure I've used most of them at one point or another. I've just always read those kinds of posts as light heartedly making fun of corporate jargon.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:17 (one year ago)

i too have used the very jargon i complain about

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 15 March 2024 21:25 (one year ago)

i never have

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:28 (one year ago)

amd i never hope to going forward

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:28 (one year ago)

I think a bit of the tension is related to performativity and roles. Like, I think the criticism, if it goes further than the words, the furthest it hits is the role of servant, as opposed to the actual people performing the role.

As someone who performs the servant role, I can possibly feel like the criticism also hits me, like if I perhaps played my role better, I wouldn’t be treated with revulsion like a candidate for 3rd worst actor?

Idk I am kinda high on cold medicine rn?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:48 (one year ago)

I have an ask: let's be more awesomesauce.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:49 (one year ago)

Cool beans!

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:51 (one year ago)

Let's workshop that a little.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:53 (one year ago)

Can I popcorn with awesomesauce? Do I dare?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:53 (one year ago)

lol I can't load the whole thread on my phone because it's so long but I'm almost certain I posted cool beans in here many years ago.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:53 (one year ago)

Oh wait I just thought of a good office one that I haven't heard in ages. Massage the documents.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:54 (one year ago)

Is massage the documents like “massage the numbers”?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:56 (one year ago)

I once heard a Georgia judge talking about "massaging the rule."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:57 (one year ago)

_I wasn’t talking to you, sarahell, but I also distinctly remember helping you fold chairs and clean up on numerous occasions, so maybe pick on someone else

Were you there for the reading where someone bought a bottle of HypnotiQ from the telegraph liquor store and spilled some of it… and it was disturbingly effective at lightening the oil stains on the concrete floor?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:02 (one year ago)

this boomerish lady says “aces” when things are going well, like “aces, hon”

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:03 (one year ago)

Lady I work with sometimes

― brimstead, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:04 (one year ago)

what... happened here >_>

― clouds, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:17 (one year ago)

Mystery ghost

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 15 March 2024 22:18 (one year ago)

__I wasn’t talking to you, sarahell, but I also distinctly remember helping you fold chairs and clean up on numerous occasions, so maybe pick on someone else_

Were you there for the reading where someone bought a bottle of HypnotiQ from the telegraph liquor store and spilled some of it… and it was disturbingly effective at lightening the oil stains on the concrete floor?

I don’t think so! also; gross!

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 22:34 (one year ago)

there this neighbourhood lady i've always heard about, always in tones of like, "she's amazing", she has three kids and was once a professional opera singer but gave that up to be a full-time mom. she is always organizing yard sales and park clean-ups and during lockdown she created a recipe booklet solicited from neighbourhood people, on their favourite comfort dishes to make. she IS amazing so of course instinctively i kind of hate her. her husband is also an opera singer, has not given up his job, and in fact flies all over the world to sing, and teach, and attend, like.. symposia i guess? anyway somehow i never actually met her until the other day, i was feeling bleary, had struggled through a few meetings, and the lovely Emma B told me she was coming over briefly with her kids. i hear them hacking around downstairs and once my meeting finishes i decide it would be churlish not to at least say hello to the amazing neighbour, so i go downstairs and dote on the kids a little and i see she's wearing a hoodie that says something like "JUST CHOOSE OPERA" and i'm like, great top, you sing, right? and she says no, not anymore, and we talk a little about that, and then she mentions her husband, and i'm like oh, he travels, why, for gigs? and she says yes, for gigs, concerts, teaching, all of that.. she searches for the word..

shizzle

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 March 2024 22:40 (one year ago)

As effective as TSP! … but more expensive

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:43 (one year ago)

"it has come to our attention..." no need to finish i'll just go kill myself thanks

― clouds, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:49 (one year ago)

I thought eat/ate/ate and left no crumbs came from ballroom culture, maybe popularized and mainstream by Rupaul's Drag Race.

I'm not sure the literal origin of it within ballroom (or if this is even correct) except maybe "eat up the runway," which I've heard Dashaun Wesley say. Which maybe became "eat the competition' or just "eat it" or "ate."

And so I am picturing HypnotiQ eating ... the stains off the floor.

― felicity, Friday, 15 March 2024 22:51 (one year ago)

My default after in many cases almost twenty years of interacting with y'all here is to trust a poster's sincerity and not to think the poster is classist, racist, or operating on bad faith.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 March 2024 06:26 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

And this is why you are a great poster.

Bring cool beans back imo.

― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 23:01 (one year ago)

ha, prev ignorance— as the somewhat self-aware abe simpson of the thread (and yo— hope you get there)— as to why my awesome queer kid uses “eats” as she does is somewhat more informed. that’s mosta what i got, and if you don’t come to this thread ready to be abe simpson, u a fuckin fool be gone.

― ... 2024-- there's one clear winner! (Hunt3r), Friday, 15 March 2024 23:09 (one year ago)

"I think starting from a starting by asking "why do you all hate service workers?" rather than merely asking "hey uh, what's wrong with these sayings? they're innocuous and btw, things I have to say daily" is what kind of enflamed things. I'm sure that'll be called 'tone policing', but I just don't see why the least charitable interpretation is often the one gravitated to the fastest here."

Some of the ppl that do this stuff feel differently. I've seen people doing service jobs being treated badly or looked at with contempt. This kind of thing just adds to the atmosphere. I'd rather not say anything about it.

Similarly, seen people on the Web complain about interactions with call centre ppl, just being disrespectful and doing performative anger when the shitty service they are paying a shit wage to manage isn't their fault.

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 March 2024 23:41 (one year ago)

What I was trying to get at was … the majority of us have been service workers treated badly and contemptuously. … the only person who seemed to “hate” service workers was the dude Omar went to get pizza with in a post from two days ago?

― sarahell, Friday, 15 March 2024 23:54 (one year ago)

Maybe omar can help him to sign up si we can finally have our sacrificial lamb

― H.P, Saturday, 16 March 2024 00:29 (one year ago)

My most deranged Instagram friend returned from social media hiatus and just posted a story ranting about a dude on a work call using the phrase “massage it out” several times when discussing their strategic plan.

― JoeStork, Saturday, 16 March 2024 00:54 (one year ago)

sorry for fanning any flames, I had to clean up a bunch of dog shit and piss today and wasn’t in a great mood

― brimstead, Saturday, 16 March 2024 02:53 (one year ago)

there’s a guy i work with who when he wants to talk about really getting into the heart of a problem and coming up with a solution he says we need to “nut it out” and i almost spit out my tea every time he does

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 16 March 2024 09:43 (one year ago)

well

its either that or swallow

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 09:47 (one year ago)

I got fired from an ad agency admin job once because I had strong objections to one of the directors saying ‘okay, it’s cocks-on-blocks time’ whenever a big decision loomed.

― steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 16 March 2024 09:50 (one year ago)

Eeuurrghh

― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 March 2024 09:55 (one year ago)

Obviously this was the point at which I had a feminist book out and was going to sit on panels discussing feminism and culture, the directors of this part time job knew that, and were still flabbergasted that anyone working for them might have reasons to object to their language. Bunch of zero fucks given boarding-school trash.

― steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 16 March 2024 10:13 (one year ago)

I can't with the nut it out. Omg

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 16 March 2024 10:51 (one year ago)

Someone said they would just rub it out the other day obv talking about wearing something and I still giggled.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 16 March 2024 10:52 (one year ago)

To myself.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 16 March 2024 10:52 (one year ago)

The interim CEO where I work uses the phrase “many ways to skin a cat” and it did not go over well. He already kinda sucks.

― brimstead, Saturday, 16 March 2024 13:00 (one year ago)

used not uses

― brimstead, Saturday, 16 March 2024 13:00 (one year ago)

I got fired from an ad agency admin job once because I had strong objections to one of the directors saying ‘okay, it’s cocks-on-blocks time’ whenever a big decision loomed.

lol, someone working in advertising once told me about a senior figure at their work who would constantly say things like 'I like it, but does it get me HARD?' Ad men still out here living their lives like a one-note Fast Show sketch.

― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 16 March 2024 13:03 (one year ago)

holy shit

what a thread for ilxor comebacks

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 13:09 (one year ago)

altho tbf

fast show concept was actually one note sketch characters

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 13:10 (one year ago)

CEOs, execs, well paid ppl churning out that bollocks = laugh away

Lower paid people doing it = show some awareness.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2024 14:43 (one year ago)

I dare say that all of us have had lower paying jobs in our lives, if not now.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:08 (one year ago)

Speak for yourself I make eight figures

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:34 (one year ago)

The first three are zero but what are details

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:34 (one year ago)

xp - dammit man! you plant a straight line and then hog it for yourself! I was all set to post: how many of those are zeroes placed at the beginning?

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

Lol

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

ha I almost searched for this thread earlier so I could add "cool beans" but then I didn't.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, August 31, 2012 5:49 AM (eleven years ago)

"A girl I had a huge crush on used to say "Cool beans!" I momentarily fell out of love with her each time.
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:33 PM (6 years ago)"
HA!
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, August 31, 2012 5:50 AM (eleven years ago)

― bae (sic), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:13 (one year ago)

I don't like the way "skinny" means "with skimmed milk" now. Makes my skin crawl to hear it.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 14:08 (one year ago)

This may just be me turning into an "old man yells at cloud" prescriptivist, but quirk used as a verb synonymous with smirk really irritates me, because I think half of the fantasy books I've been reading over the past few years seem to be running that usage into the ground.

― Astarion Is Born (Leee), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 14:54 (one year ago)

Can you post an example? I’m having a hard time imagining that

― rob, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 15:27 (one year ago)

I don't like the way "skinny" means "with skimmed milk" now. Makes my skin crawl to hear it.

I worked at a Starbucks briefly after college and during that time corporate told employees to say 'skinny' instead of 'skim'. Hated it.

― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 15:51 (one year ago)

Viv squinted hard at him and thought he’d outlast her, but then his mouth quirked at the corner.

― Astarion Is Born (Leee), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:09 (one year ago)

Nothing tastes as good as skimmy feels

I dunno but I don’t feel I often read the word “sadly,” deployed in good faith. I feel like “sadly,” is usually written with a vindictive tone. You’re not sad.

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:22 (one year ago)

That use of 'quirk' is the author saying "gee, I'm such a cutie, aren't I?" Your annoyance is understandable, because it's not really cute enough to outlast the third date.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:26 (one year ago)

Sadly, Donald Trump is still alive today.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:30 (one year ago)

I can't recall ever encountering "quirk" used like that before, but Merriam-Webster includes it as a standard definition and dates its back to the 19th century.

― rob, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:30 (one year ago)

Lol I was just begging to be proven wrong etymologically! I’ve been seeing it a lot more in fantasy books published maybe after 2010 or so, I wonder if there’s an identifiable patient zero I can blame.

― Astarion Is Born (Leee), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:34 (one year ago)

yeah it seems rare enough (afaict) that I wouldn't be surprised if there was a single popularizer!

― rob, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

It was one of the handful of phrases that notoriously recurred dozens of times in 50 shades

― cozen itt (wins), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:48 (one year ago)

ah ha / oh no

― rob, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:51 (one year ago)

That usage of quirk is so annoying. But etymologically it makes sense, "quirky" is the not-straight, the slightly off, the irregular.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:51 (one year ago)

Tell all the truth but tell it quirk

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:58 (one year ago)

i'm pretending that this talk about quirk being a synonym for smirk never happened

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 18:09 (one year ago)

genderquirk

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 18:23 (one year ago)

"You just proved these signs work."

No I didn't, leave me alone.

― jmm, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 18:28 (one year ago)

i'm pretending that this talk about quirk being a synonym for smirk never happened

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:09 PM (fifty-four minutes ago)

oh I should have said that that's not quite right. It's that "quirk" as a verb means "to curve or twist" (so you can quirk your mouth into a smirk)

― rob, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 19:12 (one year ago)

It's really annoying when somebody uses "quirk" as a name.

https://i.postimg.cc/br04vMZC/quirk.jpg

― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 19:15 (one year ago)

Hilariously, one of the bibles of descriptive English grammar (A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language) is referred to by many as "the quirk book" because one of the authors is Randolph Quirk!

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 19:25 (one year ago)

Fine for eyebrows, pushing it for mouths, hesitate to even imagine for anything else

― ን (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 20:22 (one year ago)

Man, my dick sure is quirking today

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 01:20 (one year ago)

Lol

― H.P, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 09:48 (one year ago)

His mouth twerked at the corner

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 20:39 (one year ago)

Something that drives me berserk when I'm editing fiction manuscripts is what I call "disembodied parts action" like "His eyes rolled" or "Her fists clenched." Also, I don't know which YA writer pioneered the verb "huff", as in, "'I can't believe it!' she huffed," but that person should be set on fire.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 20:54 (one year ago)

and huffed on

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 21:04 (one year ago)

that person should be set on fire

well you don't need to get so huffy about it

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 21:35 (one year ago)

Gettin huffy on my Huffy

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 21:36 (one year ago)

The Amador Club, formerly Wingtip, a haberdashery with a barber shop and wine cave that was geared toward wealthy Silicon Valley and FiDi finance workers, plans to offer seasonal oysters and caviar bumps alongside craft cocktails...

what's the consensus on 'caviar bumps'?

Oh, and this new spot is members only

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 29 March 2024 22:56 (one year ago)

i think it's shoving fish eggs up your nose

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:05 (one year ago)

using a key that only members have

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:07 (one year ago)

I've had caviar a couple times and just don't see the appeal

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:11 (one year ago)

well you obviously weren't pushing it up into your nose, the way the rich and connected do

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:15 (one year ago)

aiui a 'caviar bump' refers to a serving of caviar washed down with well-iced champagne. the existence of such a thing is outside my personal experience, but the rumors of it have reached me.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 30 March 2024 01:06 (one year ago)

I did somehow go to a party in a big house where they had caviar, which I (accidentally) dropped on the floor and rubbed it into the carpet. I then got another and nobody noticed. I remember that but no idea where it was or how I got there. anyway it was shit

― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 02:21 (one year ago)

British people pronouncing Gen Z as Gen Zee.

― The Prime of the Ancient Minister (Tom D.), Monday, 1 April 2024 12:33 (one year ago)

I’ve never once heard Gen Zed uttered by anyone

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 1 April 2024 13:23 (one year ago)

That's because they don't want to confuse it with General Zod.

― Astarion Is Born (Leee), Monday, 1 April 2024 13:31 (one year ago)

gen zee is correct because all of this stuff only really applies to yanks tbh

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 1 April 2024 20:28 (one year ago)

"appearances can be deceiving"
&
"beloved" 2 syllables with a swallowed e

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Monday, 1 April 2024 20:52 (one year ago)

so do you say striped or stri-ped

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 1 April 2024 21:14 (one year ago)

different word, false equivalency.

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 06:01 (one year ago)

see: adjective vs past forms of "to learn"

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 06:03 (one year ago)

I don't think it's the fact that people are welcoming people that is the issue. I welcome people all the time at work and it would be weird not to. It's the weird phrase "welcome in". I have never heard nor used that in my life.

So I was in the US last week and I have to report that I heard this phrase no less than 3 times. I heard it both used both in Florida and in Mass. Still don't like it but at least I know you all weren't pulling my leg.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 08:30 (one year ago)

the only rule with stuff like belov'd vs belovèd is to use the one you need for the meter

― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 16:39 (one year ago)

People need to stop calling things "Love Lies Bleeding." It only makes me think of Hemorrhage in My Hands by Fuel. This can be applied retroactively to Elton John and Victorian botany and anything else, as well.

― meatster of puppets (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 17:57 (one year ago)

It's a good Thompson Twins song

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:04 (one year ago)

No, ONLY the Elton song should be allowed to keep it

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:06 (one year ago)

The Nik Kershaw I Won't Let the Sun Go Down on Me is also superior

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:08 (one year ago)

but not to the george michael duet obv

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:46 (one year ago)

gen zee is correct because all of this stuff only really applies to yanks tbh

“Zoomers” >>>>

Have never called myself gen Y either.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:17 (one year ago)

Is there a generations timeline, maybe a flowchart available online somewhere? I can never remember the difference between gen Z(ed) and millennials. If I was born in 1968 (which I was) am I gen X? And what would someone born in the early 1960s be? Also, there wasn't a post-war baby boom in the UK I don't think, so 'boomers' hardly works. Maybe 'rationers'?

― continue without dissembling (Matt #2), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:23 (one year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#List_of_social_generations

― rob, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:25 (one year ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Generation_timeline.svg/1920px-Generation_timeline.svg.png

― rob, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:26 (one year ago)

not sure why Alpha isn't 2013-28, but if that's a sign we're giving up on some of the more obtuse aspects of this bs then I applaud it

― rob, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:29 (one year ago)

Good to find out that Gen Y and Millennials are the same thing

― continue without dissembling (Matt #2), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:33 (one year ago)

Alpha? ugh

― nashwan, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:35 (one year ago)

aniston

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:41 (one year ago)

Greatest Generation ugh. You're right it's for Yanks.

― The Prime of the Ancient Minister (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 20:47 (one year ago)

No one gives a shit about these now. Anyone over 30 = "boomer" and anyone under 30 = "millenial" as far as half the media/internet's concerned.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 23:45 (one year ago)

I don’t get most of the hyper specific cultural generational stuff - afaict generation names only really apply to very broad socioeconomic effects on a demographic. Like I was born in 1979 but I don’t relate to most of the gen x OR millennial memes I see all over the internet. Most of these memes seem to only really cover like a 5 year range of ages.

― just1n3, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 23:51 (one year ago)

I was born in 65 and very strongly identify with Gen X. My folks were born just before the start of the baby boom, I just missed it but those people are definitely a different cohort.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 00:58 (one year ago)

yeah i’m born 67 and gen x is quite accurate as to norms imo.

― schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:34 (one year ago)

Born in 1970, pretty much horrified by how most of the rest of early GenX acts.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:37 (one year ago)

Those are residual Boomers.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:40 (one year ago)

That's right.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:41 (one year ago)

I'm a '69 Gen Xer and I was in denial about most of my cohort for a long time because of observation bias — the Gen Xers I hung out with weren't listening to Rush Limbaugh every day. But white American males in particular who were in their 20s in the '90s just inhaled all of that "politically incorrect" shit, and that's who they still are.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:45 (one year ago)

I dunno, I managed to inhale enough of the 60s and early 70s that I somehow escaped turning into a Reaganite asshole in the 80s (I think). I was still proud to show my kid where we built the shantytown to protest our school's investment in South Africa.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:50 (one year ago)

I am very much an elder millennial— I remember payphones, smoking indoors, VHS rewinding machines, waiting for pornography to load on early internet connections, etc. Basically elder millennials are the youngest cohort to really experience and remember the world before widespread internet, is the way I put it.

Pals who were born 92 or later don’t have that experience at all, but they’re still “millennials.”

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 02:12 (one year ago)

born in 71 and, along with ned and trayce and unperson and daddino, we are *perfect*

- remember imminent nuclear war being possible*
- was vaguely aware of 70s ~runaway inflation~ but not enough to be endlessly haunted by it like biden/pelosi's cohort
- remember the soviet union/communism in general being an insidious and implacable enemy until it suddenly all fell apart . . . hmm, i wonder about the *other* insidious and implacable enemies
- remember reagan/thatcher
- remember pre-internet and pre-phone
etc.

apologies for star wars tho

(*tbf this is nothing compared to the climate holocaust that awaits today's youth)

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 03:16 (one year ago)

also

- remember AIDS

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 03:18 (one year ago)

- remember NYC being "fun dangerous" (my life was definitely at risk on at least a few occasions that at the time seemed like easily defused misunderstandings)

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 03:37 (one year ago)

this has always struck me as a deeply Gen X board. not sure if things are skewed because i'm a millennial, but i definitely don't have overwhelmingly negative views of Gen X. they seemed like the cool older kids on MTV and Comedy Central when i was growing up. like Jeneane Garofalo and Ween and stuff like that

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 03:48 (one year ago)

ilgenxor

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 04:48 (one year ago)

The ever-more-heavily populated 50-something thread certainly argues for that. Starting next year, if you go by the 1965 start date, everyone in their 50s will be Gen X. (And the oldest Gen Xers — hello jimbeaux! — will be 60.)

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 05:02 (one year ago)

born in 71 and, along with ned and trayce and unperson and daddino, we are *perfect*

for one reason or another, i don’t think any of us have kids. (not that having kids is bad or wrong; just that i’m not sure how common that would be for the ilx0rs of 100 years ago)

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 07:02 (one year ago)

I am technically the tail end of Gen X but don't identify as such at all really. I remember watching Slacker and reading Gen X and they seemed to be about the cool older generation. Chart is missing xennials which, while this stuff kind of annoys me and doesn't really matter, is the only generational description I've read that rings true for me.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 09:47 (one year ago)

ur all gen alpha to me, where alpha = innocent babies

― mark s, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 09:52 (one year ago)

I always used to find ‘global teens’ as described in the Douglas Coupland book a pretty perfect fit for xennials.

― steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 10:23 (one year ago)

How old were you as of April 3, 2024?

― Jeff, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 10:56 (one year ago)

Mookis, I was born in 71 and have kids. Anyway about those ilxors of 100 years ago. I found some old archived thread titles from using the Wayback Machine:

Are you staying with wax cylinders?

Ts: zoetropes vs. nickelodeons

Gerswhwin POX

Controp: were talkies a mistake?

Rollin' Al Jolson "is this racist? thread

In this thread we will anticipate and then flip out over the new Scott Joplin release

Tommy Dorsey Orchestra: why are they so bad & hated?

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 12:53 (one year ago)

I’m ‘79. I am by definition Gen X but I’m glad the terms Xennial and Elder Millennial exist. I’m not Gen X. I’ve never seen Reality Bites or Before Sunrise. I wasn’t into Nirvana. I was too young to know what AIDS was while it was happening.

I’m not Millennial, either. I don’t have much in common with Millennials.

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 13:29 (one year ago)

Testament to how arbitrary these rubrics are: I'm '78, have seen both those movies (former sucks; latter is p cute), was very into Nirvana when I was young teenager, and definitely knew about AIDS while it was happening. As ever, I wonder if "living in the US" is more relevant here than any kind of generational effect

― rob, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 13:42 (one year ago)

How do we feel about the proliferation of "neuro-spicy"?

― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 14:57 (one year ago)

the what of what

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:01 (one year ago)

I’m ‘79. I am by definition Gen X but I’m glad the terms Xennial and Elder Millennial exist. I’m not Gen X. I’ve never seen Reality Bites or Before Sunrise. I wasn’t into Nirvana. I was too young to know what AIDS was while it was happening.
I’m not Millennial, either. I don’t have much in common with Millennials.
― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:29 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I relate to this a lot. I was into Nirvana, but I only got into the whole grunge thing retrospectively. I guess I was into Gen X "stuff", but in a "This is what my friends' cool older brothers are into" way. And I don't relate to Millennial stuff either - they can keep their Pokemons and their emo haircuts and their consicentious work ethics

― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:01 (one year ago)

the gen whatever only applies to america and especially when i see ppl utilise it in irish context i tend to dismiss whatever they were saying tbh

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:03 (one year ago)

x-post -

I’m not Millennial, either. I don’t have much in common with Millennials.

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, April 3, 2024 9:29 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol O I love the things by which you define Gen X because, based on those, I'm the opposite yet still feel similarly.

I know most of the dialogue to RB and love it but not because it's a good movie by any stretch of the imagination lol.
Before Sunrise is wonderful. You should watch it.
Nirvana - yep.
AIDS - I feel like I never didn't know about AIDS but I grew up on Fire Island in the 80s so yeah.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:13 (one year ago)

I remember hating Reality Bites.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:14 (one year ago)

For me Reality Bites was where generational media representation tipped from "hey, this is me!" (Slacker, Nirvana, the first season of The Real World!) to "ok now yr just pandering."

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:18 (one year ago)

Greatest Generation ugh. You're right it's for Yanks.
― The Prime of the Ancient Minister (Tom D.), Tuesday, April 2, 2024 3:47 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

A lot of the popular conception of recent generations comes from the work of sociologists William Strauss and Neil Howe, who were explicitly writing about them within an American historical context. Their first book, published in 1991, was called Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069, in which they theorized that American history repeatedly cycles through four distinct generational types. Then they wrote books that specifically analyzed the beliefs and attitudes of Gen X (which at the time they called the 13th Generation, because it's apparently the 13th generation in American history) and millennials (a term that they coined). The latter was called Millennials Rising: The Next Great Generation because, according to their theory, millennials are the same type as the Greatest Generation within the four-generation cycle.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:18 (one year ago)

But wrt to not being Gen X or a Millennial - when I saw Reality Bites (in the theatre obvs) I was 15 and it was like oooh I can't wait to grow up and live in a shitty apt with my friends not like I was watching my peers so there was a disconnect.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:20 (one year ago)

xp (Needless to say, a lot of this is hooey.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:20 (one year ago)

x-posts Yeah, I'm sure it was not nearly as appealing if you weren't a 15 year old girl with the world's biggest crush on Ethan H.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:21 (one year ago)

People born in the British Isles after WW2 are known as 'the post-war generation', sensibly. The only booms going on at that time were from unexploded German ordnance accidentally trodden on by poorly-paid rubble clearance teams. And the only X's in relation to what Americans call Gen X were the ones put on ballot papers next to Tony Bair's name in 1997 before everyone twigged he was a war criminal. We just don't really do generations.

― never invade Londonistan (Matt #2), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:22 (one year ago)

xp haha, as a nearly 30 year old man I wanted to tell the characters to get off my lawn. I was a big fan of several of the actors, but much preferred them in other films.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:26 (one year ago)

I want to be part of the Greatest Generation, so unfair!

― The Prime of the Ancient Minister (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:28 (one year ago)

Sorry, Tom, we came in after the good times.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:28 (one year ago)

Was it “reality bites” not the “the big chill” for gen x

― brimstead, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:29 (one year ago)

sorry for atrocious grammar

― brimstead, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:30 (one year ago)

I have never seen The Big Chill.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:31 (one year ago)

I have not seen it in years, but have watched it probably upwards of a dozen times.

Holy shit, maybe I am a Boomer.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:33 (one year ago)

I've never seen Reality Bites. The movie young teenaged me watched and thought "I wanna be that guy!" was Repo Man.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:38 (one year ago)

And to be clear, I wanted to be Sy Richardson, not Emilio Estevez.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:39 (one year ago)

I was deeply embarrassed by Reality Bites at the time. I had friends who liked it but mostly I hated everything about it. I was 18 and had been through a lot already at that point and those people were not people I related to at all. Absolutely loathed Ethan Hawke and his character. I was a very grouchy jaded young person. As a GenXer frequently was.
I’ve grown to be much less of a hater but at the time hating was the only currency I had.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:41 (one year ago)

I feel reasonably millenial I guess. Born into a cozy End Of History consensus, radicalized by the '08 crisis. Remember a time before the internet, followed it as we both became older and worse. I don't think millenials have a Big Chill/Reality Bites type movie, though alarmingly enough it could still happen.

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:43 (one year ago)

Well the character isn't a very good one though he redeems himself at the end. Kinda.

I think if I was 18 when I had seen it I might have felt similarly but I was a very bright-eyed young 15 y/o who didn't know better yet.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:48 (one year ago)

I think it's harry potter for them. Idk but I feel like milennials fucking love him and having never read nor seen any of it/them that's one thing that tells me I am definitely not one of them.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:49 (one year ago)

Harry Potter is not a Generational Statement! Of course there's tons of popcult I associate with millenials but Reality Bites/The Big Chill are explicitly about their generations.

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:53 (one year ago)

The characters in The Big Chill were the cooler older siblings I didn't have. Interestingly, it was in heavy rotation among my friends in college in the mid-80s, which would have been more about 15 years removed from the college experience of those people.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:59 (one year ago)

"Cool" may be pushing it for some of them.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:59 (one year ago)

Mean Girls is the Millenial big chill/reality bites y/n

― brimstead, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:00 (one year ago)

Hmmmm maybe? No, I don't think that's quite right but it's close.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:05 (one year ago)

Daniel I know! I was being silly but HP does seem like a very big deal for them.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:05 (one year ago)

It’s probably fight club or something

― subpost master (wins), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:07 (one year ago)

In the UK Skins is the millennial generational thingie, although I don't know how well remembered or loved it is.

― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:07 (one year ago)

Oh no it’s Garden State :-(

― brimstead, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:11 (one year ago)

Fuck, it prob is Garden State at that

Mean Girls more like our Breakfast Club/Clueless

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:17 (one year ago)

I am technically Gen X, since I was born in 1979, but never thought of myself that way, because almost all of the iconic Gen X cultural signposts were about people older than me who had deep knowledge of watching 1970s TV shows as children. Apart from My So-Called Life, there weren't many depictions of xennials for me to more closely relate to. Still, like Erica, I went to see Reality Bites at age 15 and vibed with it as a movie about people I didn't necessarily identify with but did think were *cool*, in that intriguing aspirational space between peers and parents. I also read the Douglas Coupland novels Generation X and Shampoo Planet around the same time and had similar feelings; they were appealing because they felt cutting-edge and zeitgeisty.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:22 (one year ago)

Yet here I am a scant 4 years older and repulsed by Reality Bites.

My comparison to Ethan Hawke that comes to mind for me is my abnormal parasocial relationship with Paul Westerberg. I really felt like he was speaking to me when I was 14-15. As I got older I fell out of that but it lingers as a touch point in that he was my idea of a cool guy I wanted to be in love with. Lol.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:51 (one year ago)

lol I also felt like Westerberg was speaking to me when I was 15, tho that was in 1985. (My first grumpy reaction to all the Gen X talk circa 1991 — when I was a grouchy jaded 21-year-old — was, "You do realize the Replacements invented all of this, right?")

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:59 (one year ago)

lol it's totally Garden State!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:12 (one year ago)

donnie darko felt like more of a big millenial moment when i was in high school than garden state

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:26 (one year ago)

and somehow appropriate that it's set in the 80s instead of the 00s

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:27 (one year ago)

Really I feel like I'm the Simpsons/Seinfeld generation, if anything. Generation SNES.

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:33 (one year ago)

i watched garden state tens of times in high school and attempted to revisit it a few years ago and gave up twenty minutes in, unwatchable. so yeah it's the millennial reality bites

― ivy., Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:37 (one year ago)

agreed that donnie darko made a bigger impact and had a longer tail of influence, because it is actually good

― ivy., Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:38 (one year ago)

How do we feel about the proliferation of "neuro-spicy"?

I heard this for the first time last week at a librarians' conference, when two young-ish information professionals from Ohio announced and detailed their neurospiciness for us at the start of their presentation: for one it was an auditory thing which meant she might have to ask us to repeat any questions, for the other it was a recall issue which meant she might at times have to refer to her notes. Both of these struck me as fairly standard aspects of giving a presentation, so fairly unspicy...? Neuro-korma maybe. Neither showed any unease at public speaking in a auditorium of 200 people; the presentation was faultless.

― fetter, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 19:56 (one year ago)

if it helps people with mental health issues self actualize then it’s probably good

― brimstead, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 20:09 (one year ago)

" could care less" is just a linguistic peeve for me

― stwahberrymilkgirlll, Thursday, 4 April 2024 00:41 (one year ago)

"Could care less" has a cute twist to it, though. "I couldn't care less" is pretty definitive: "I care nothing about this topic, thus I couldn't care less." In contrast, "I could care less" has a kind of shruggish admission to it: "I suppose I could care less about this topic, now that I think about how little I care about it." Idk, I know it's a malapropism but it's always kinda delighted me. Generally though I quote the Quebecois when I need to express indifference: "J'care pas", lips slack and slightly open, tone extremely monotone, "pas" rhymes with "duh"

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 4 April 2024 00:48 (one year ago)

I would never in a million years say neuro-spicy, but I'm agnostic on other people using it if they're comfortable with it. To me it has an offputting cutesiness.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 April 2024 01:31 (one year ago)

i think we need not try to shame entries to the thread else nothing wwould be allowable on such defence and we should try to have standards

neurospicy objectively awful like

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 April 2024 02:06 (one year ago)

For me Reality Bites was …to "ok now yr just pandering."

Is there anyone who didn’t have that impression? I saw it in the theater and we made fun of it at the most cringeworthy parts, and no one got mad

― sarahell, Thursday, 4 April 2024 04:17 (one year ago)

Neurospicy makes me think of Sapiosexual … it sounds like ur brain is hott?

― sarahell, Thursday, 4 April 2024 04:22 (one year ago)

This Soraya Roberts article on the whole backstory of Reality Bites is really good: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/03/reality-bites-captured-gen-x-25-years-later-helen-childress/583870/

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 April 2024 04:37 (one year ago)

I have never walked out of a movie except Garden State, what loathsome trash, tho I guess many Xers feel that way about Reality Bites. I have an abiding affection for Winona so

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 April 2024 10:55 (one year ago)

I don't think millenials have a Big Chill/Reality Bites type movie, though alarmingly enough it could still happen.

how have we come this far without anyone nominating Juno?

― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 4 April 2024 12:06 (one year ago)

That's High School though when the others are all post college so not sure that really fits.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 4 April 2024 12:30 (one year ago)

Had also thought of Can't Hardly Wait but again - HS. I think that and Juno are more equivalent to Pretty in Pink, B Club etc.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 4 April 2024 12:32 (one year ago)

Big Chill is very different from Reality Bites imo. The characters in the Big Chill are in their 30s, it's a "Boomers deal with growing up" movie. I can't think of a Gen X equivalent off the top of my head.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 April 2024 12:57 (one year ago)

kicking and screaming comes to mind, they're 20-somethings though

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:38 (one year ago)

Well for a time every wright/pegg film & every other Kevin smith film was about men of that cohort finally growing up & putting away childish things? Always rang a bit hollow as the creators immediately went back to playing with their Star Wars figurines

― subpost master (wins), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:53 (one year ago)

K&S is one of my fave films and prob my personal Big Chill. Thought of it immediately but not quite right either I don't think. Definitely closer.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:58 (one year ago)

Yeah K&S is a good call.

I would be up for a Big Chill style Gen X movie now tbh. 50-yr-old Xers dealing with Zoomer kids and Boomer parents, lamenting the death of zine culture and "real" hip-hop, getting high while arguing about what legalization has done to weed ...

OK it sounds insufferable but I would watch a whole TV series.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 April 2024 14:04 (one year ago)

(get on it, Linklater)

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 April 2024 14:05 (one year ago)

this doesn't fulfill this gen x big chill prompt, but the worst person in the world has a moving depiction of a character who reflects on the end of his very gen x lifestyle

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 4 April 2024 14:12 (one year ago)

I thought Reality Bites captured the vibe of early 90s Houston surprisingly well, everyone was obsessed with not and inevitably crucified for selling out in so many contexts... it's hilarious now how bad my friends made each other feel for buying tickets to see a band on a national tour, because a multi-state tour meant they were by definition sellouts who couldn't possibly care about their art. Like it was an ideal nobody could really live up to but it was super present, whereas now that entire concept is just... quaint.

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 4 April 2024 14:31 (one year ago)

Also we liked it because the club scenes were filmed at Catal Huyuk, neé the Axiom!

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 4 April 2024 14:32 (one year ago)

Oh you mean the scenes where Hey, That's my bike (worst band name) were playing? Glen the skater guy from the Real World LA pushes past WR she's on a payphone in one of those scenes. I haven't watched it in about a decade but I think there's a couple of them in there.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 4 April 2024 14:45 (one year ago)

I have never walked out of a movie except Garden State, what loathsome trash, tho I guess many Xers feel that way about Reality Bites. I have an abiding affection for Winona so

It wasn’t so much loathsome trash as pandering eye-roll that had some fun parts but you sit through the entire thing in case of some redemption on one hand, or the experience of having witnessed it in its entirety so that your criticism of it can’t be assailed?

― sarahell, Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:28 (one year ago)

This does make me think about how my 40s have been characterized by “life’s too short to sit through bad art for the sake of critical authority “

― sarahell, Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:30 (one year ago)

life’s too short to sit through bad art for the sake of critical authority

i'm gonna hang on to this phrase tyvm

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:42 (one year ago)

golden escalator

It's such a pathetic detail to constantly bring up re Trump's announcement for 2016. Serve me right for reading a WaPo piece on Bannon (he's read some books!).

― nashwan, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:26 (one year ago)

“I would be up for a Big Chill style Gen X movie now tbh. 50-yr-old Xers dealing with….”

this generation is too economically weak for anyone to give a fuck, including its members. they dont spend because principle, they can’t spend because low volume

― schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:48 (one year ago)

One of the saddest things I heard recently was a recording of Tony Hawk struggling to do an Ollie 540, finally doing it and realizing that was probably his last time ever.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:59 (one year ago)

this generation is too economically weak for anyone to give a fuck

The media has kept alive this narrative of 'boomers vs. millennials' and I always like 'hey, we're right over here! what are we, chopped liver?' which I guess we are

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:06 (one year ago)

We are the chopped liver in a chopped liver sandwich.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:19 (one year ago)

St. Elmo's Fire was a big "how young adults cope with adulthood" movie from circa 1985. It has some claim to be a Gen X Big Chill, except it lacks the killer soundtrack

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 5 April 2024 08:27 (one year ago)

Yeah I did think of that the other day and I think it's close. They're post college and figuring out early adulthood so maybe a bit closer to 80s RB? God I love that movie. The scene where demi is on the phone talking about Arabs making her do coke is unintentionally hilarious and her pink apartment was an 80s dream.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 5 April 2024 09:14 (one year ago)

xp: it has a killer soundtrack.

― peace, man, Friday, 5 April 2024 10:55 (one year ago)

Emilio Estevez and Judd Nelson were high schoolers and post-college in the same year

― Josefa, Friday, 5 April 2024 12:33 (one year ago)

And Ally Sheedy too

― Josefa, Friday, 5 April 2024 12:34 (one year ago)

Demi Moore is 61

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 5 April 2024 15:06 (one year ago)

I like that this whole five-day tangent came out of British people saying 'Gen Zee'.

― jmm, Friday, 5 April 2024 15:58 (one year ago)

I asked a friend what he thought the Gen X version of the Big Chill was and he said High Fidelity. I think maybe the characters in it are too young, but I don't remember it very well. I half jokingly offered Fight Club as my choice.

― beard papa, Friday, 5 April 2024 17:02 (one year ago)

This isn't so annoying but I've seen this kind of headline many times, announcing someone's first book:

Comic artist Rob Liefeld to publish new memoir

Which bugs me because "new" implies to me that there have been previous memoirs.

― Kim Kimberly, Friday, 5 April 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

I understand how the implication is annoying, but the alternative, non-elided phrase would be "Comic artist Rob Liefeld to publish new book, a memoir", which seems about equally annoying to me.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 5 April 2024 17:49 (one year ago)

I don't see a reason not to just say "Comic artist Rob Liefeld to publish memoir." If he's done one before this, then you say "Comic artist Rob Liefeld to publish second (or third, or whatever) memoir."

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 5 April 2024 18:41 (one year ago)

My guess is that it's borrowing from this sort of sentence that you usually see in articles about someone's new book:

In a new memoir, comic artist Rob Liefeld says that...

'New memoir' is informative in that context: this is a newly or recently or soon-to-be published memoir. But it sounds odd when you import that phrase into an announcement. It's redundant.

Comic artist Rob Liefeld to publish soon-to-be published memoir

― jmm, Friday, 5 April 2024 18:49 (one year ago)

Right, I get that what is intended is "new to the marketplace" and I'm just reading it differently.

― Kim Kimberly, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:14 (one year ago)

I asked a friend what he thought the Gen X version of the Big Chill was and he said High Fidelity. I think maybe the characters in it are too young, but I don't remember it very well. I half jokingly offered Fight Club as my choice.

Except it was inspired by real people who are boomers… otherwise yeah, I can see it

― sarahell, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:42 (one year ago)

I haven't seen it but looked up the Big Chill and I think John Cusack's character in High Fidelity was probably close to their ages, the rest would've been younger though yeah

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 5 April 2024 20:40 (one year ago)

I feel there’s an Xennial cinematic window that begins with High Fidelity, peaks with Mean Girls, and ends with the first season of Girls

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:46 (one year ago)

I think I'm a year too old to be a Xennial (obvious caveats about these generations not mapping over to the UK exactly) but I prob have more attachment to films like Pump Up The Volume, Heathers, etc than those so I guess I am Gen X

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 5 April 2024 20:49 (one year ago)

if you arent factoring in empire records then.....

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 5 April 2024 21:00 (one year ago)

yeah and Clerks and stuff, I was about 18-19 when those came out

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 5 April 2024 21:02 (one year ago)

Reality Bites?

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 5 April 2024 21:18 (one year ago)

The American Pie/Can't Hardly Wait/She's All That era seems very xennial/cusp

― jmm, Friday, 5 April 2024 21:27 (one year ago)

xp Reality Bites is what started this whole tangent iirc

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 5 April 2024 21:29 (one year ago)

Empire Records was bad in the same way Reality Bites was. Sorry.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 April 2024 03:10 (one year ago)

Reality Bites needed a GWAR cameo.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 6 April 2024 03:32 (one year ago)

I saw Empire Records towards the end of a teen movie marathon so prob not fully fit to judge but I did wonder what the fuck was up with that movie.

― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 6 April 2024 11:21 (one year ago)

Ferris Bueller seems an obvious gen X landmark

― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 6 April 2024 12:03 (one year ago)

Office Space

― Jeff, Saturday, 6 April 2024 12:17 (one year ago)

That reminds me — Clockwatchers!

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:02 (one year ago)

I literally have never seen Reality Bites! Watching Ferris Bueller felt as antiquaited as something like Grease.

I asked a millennial last night what the beginning, summit and end of his generational media window entailed and he said “Mean Girls beginning, Easy A summit, and there hasn’t been an end moment yet but it’ll probably have something to do with TikTok”

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:13 (one year ago)

Huh I just read the Reality Bites thread. Does it really have “Baby I Love Your Way” in it? As did High Fidelity? I want the Frampton Lobby in my side

― Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:28 (one year ago)

Big Chill is very different from Reality Bites imo. The characters in the Big Chill are in their 30s, it's a "Boomers deal with growing up" movie. I can't think of a Gen X equivalent off the top of my head.

Trainspotting 2

― Alba, Sunday, 7 April 2024 20:59 (one year ago)

nah the characters were in their 40s in that one weren't they?

― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 7 April 2024 23:14 (one year ago)

I think I found it — Before Sunset is the Gen X Big Chill.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 8 April 2024 01:39 (one year ago)

No I don't think that's right either.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 8 April 2024 09:01 (one year ago)

Empire Records is wonderfully terrible in the same way as reality bites lol. Yesterday was Rex Manning day! The Gwar cameo/Mark were the best and I met the rocker character guy when he was DJing in LA one night around 2000 and he gave me a CD of his which I still have somewhere.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 8 April 2024 09:02 (one year ago)

I mean obv Before Sunset isn’t like the Big Chill in having a large group of friends, but in terms of its Gen X leads entering their 30s and wrestling with compromises made, paths taken or not taken, etc.

Anyway, I suppose the real answer is there can’t be a Gen X Big Chill because the central drama of the Big Chill is specific to a Boomer sense of identity as young idealists coming face to face with worldly failures and disappointments. Gen X was never young idealists.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 8 April 2024 12:29 (one year ago)

^ otm. I basically made the same point in the thread below when this same topic came up (and which might be a better thread in which to continue the discussion):

Why has there been no widespread 90's revival?

― Josefa, Monday, 8 April 2024 13:05 (one year ago)

whats friends

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:11 (one year ago)

/gollum voice

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:11 (one year ago)

lol didn't even realize ilx had the exact same conversation three years ago. tho at this point in the ilx story, that might be true of almost everything.

OK, well, to turn this thread back to its titular purpose:

I get annoyed by "lift up," as in "I want to really lift up what Tanya said ..." Or as seen in the mission statement of something called LiftUp.com: "We exist to Lift Up tangible projects with the greatest impact around the world."

I think this usage maybe has its roots in civil rights/church organizing, and I respect that heritage but it sounds dorky and try-hard in the context of your average conference panel discussion.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:25 (one year ago)

def makes me think of church: "lift up your hearts".

― Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 8 April 2024 15:49 (one year ago)

Lift it up the Lord.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 8 April 2024 15:49 (one year ago)

shart to the Lord

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 April 2024 16:00 (one year ago)

Hoist a cold frosty one up to the Lord

― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 April 2024 16:30 (one year ago)

High five the Lord

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 8 April 2024 16:33 (one year ago)

I don't think I've been to mass in 15 years and yet reading the above I was lifting my heart to the lord and giving hella thx and praise. It crazy how you just don't forget those things.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 8 April 2024 18:08 (one year ago)

In MS Teams you can "send praise" to someone, and also view your "praise history" and we use it for comedic effect but it's a little bit triggering tbh.

More in the spirit of this thread: In a direct service-style environment where people/organizations do a lot of service provision, there's an unfortunate tendency to say that you have "serviced" someone, and I just...I respect people who don't hear this with sexual connotations but I myself can't escape it. I'll say we "served" our guests but my brain just won't engage with "servicing" them.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 8 April 2024 18:12 (one year ago)

lol

― budo jeru, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:31 (one year ago)

I saw a sign on the road yesterday that read "Fines Double When Workers Present" and I kept thinking of "present" as a verb (think primates and sex) and laughing. If a highway maintenance worker presented at me like a mandrill, I might never recover.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:39 (one year ago)

I realize that Empire Records is terrible, but a few notes as someone who watched it every few weeks for many years:
- I still say "shock me shock me shock me with that deviant behavior"
- the music in it is actually, like, not terrible? the soundtrack has some great songs on it, including "Bright as Yellow" by the Innocence Mission, the Christian alt-folk band that I have a thing for.
- Brendan Sexton III is a fine actor

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 8 April 2024 20:18 (one year ago)

why would empire records have a higher bar set for it than any movie aimed at cool teenagers ever tbf

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 8 April 2024 20:34 (one year ago)

It suffers a lot when compared to other movies aimed at cool teenagers.

― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 8 April 2024 20:49 (one year ago)

More in the spirit of this thread: In a direct service-style environment where people/organizations do a lot of service provision, there's an unfortunate tendency to say that you have "serviced" someone, and I just...I respect people who don't hear this with sexual connotations but I myself can't escape it. I'll say we "served" our guests but my brain just won't engage with "servicing" them.

Omg I would have trouble keeping a straight face tbh. In fact, I know I have been in a meeting where that phrasing was used and I was very glad I had camera & sound off

― sarahell, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:09 (one year ago)

I have been in many meetings where “service their unit” has been said

― sarahell, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:11 (one year ago)

And then there is “service the members” …

― sarahell, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:12 (one year ago)

"Why isn't there a thread about (_________)?" thread titles

― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Monday, 8 April 2024 23:36 (one year ago)

Lol what

Someone sent me a cold email proposing a novel project. Then I noticed it used the word "delve."
— Paul Graham (@paulg) April 7, 2024

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 16:08 (one year ago)

"Can't wait" has started to annoy the shit out of me. Especially in its first person plural form.
"We can't wait to see all you lovely people for what promises to be a very special night."
"Guess what, it's nearly Easter and we can't wait to show you our special Easter menu!"

― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 23:32 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3xICOc13wk

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 23:42 (one year ago)

In the speciality corner "Abbreviations that annoy the shit out of you", I've just realised that a common denominator for me might be abbreviating a word to end on an "O". Don't like "mayo", don't like "Glasto".

― Alba, Thursday, 11 April 2024 21:53 (one year ago)

Avo

― Alba, Thursday, 11 April 2024 21:54 (one year ago)

I blame Australians.

― My God's got no nose... (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 April 2024 21:58 (one year ago)

Yeah, but I don't mind it if it's added to a word that didn't have an o in the first place. Arvo? Smoko? Go for it.

― Alba, Thursday, 11 April 2024 22:09 (one year ago)

I know afternoon has is in it but I mean it hasn't been truncated at one of them. Afterno.

― Alba, Thursday, 11 April 2024 22:10 (one year ago)

'sunnies' for sunglasses

Pretty sure 'selfie' originated in Australia

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 April 2024 22:16 (one year ago)

i also find these cutesy truncations annoying, except when australians do it! idk why. it just seems so hot and dusty over there they deserve a little fun

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 12 April 2024 19:05 (one year ago)

I can't go a day without encountering the word "liminal" and it drives me nuts.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2024 15:13 (one year ago)

That's a great word!

― beard papa, Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:37 (one year ago)

I like it, aesthetically, but I'm pretty tired of encountering it.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:39 (one year ago)

Yeah "liminal" is a word that all of a sudden i started seeing every day.

― Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:41 (one year ago)

i just played superliminal last week for the first time and i loved it

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:41 (one year ago)

i wonder if it's related to everybody being a "switch" nowadays ;)

― budo jeru, Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:44 (one year ago)

Liminal became an aesthetic identity. It always happens to the best words.

― Jeff, Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:45 (one year ago)

It's just nice to see that the singer for Kajagoogoo is still the talk of the town.

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 14 April 2024 17:38 (one year ago)

Umm, he was actually the bass player

― Andy the Grasshopper, Sunday, 14 April 2024 17:40 (one year ago)

Ha i was thinking earlier this week how liminal has been ruined

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 14 April 2024 22:23 (one year ago)

and 'liminal space' in particular. which doesn't have any good synonyms but now means the creepypasta thing where everything looks like the video to one of moby's ambient tunes

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 14 April 2024 22:25 (one year ago)

except when australians do it! idk why. it just seems so hot and dusty over there they deserve a little fun
It kills me when people say this, as I stare out the window after a week of miserable pissy drizzle and 14C days, th weak watery autumn sun trying its best on grey Melbourne cobbles.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 14 April 2024 22:52 (one year ago)

i was purely joking, sounds like you do deserve a little fun though!

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:02 (one year ago)

“liminal space” synonym is “the backrooms” according to the kids iirc

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:38 (one year ago)

^ yes

I kept getting backrooms stuff on Tik Tok and had to figure out wtf it was supposed to be.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 15 April 2024 09:46 (one year ago)

The what? What’s the back rooms?

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 15 April 2024 12:55 (one year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Backrooms

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 15 April 2024 12:57 (one year ago)

John cale to thread

― subpost master (wins), Monday, 15 April 2024 13:00 (one year ago)

Ah OK like Severance

― kinder, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:42 (one year ago)

Doesn't annoy me that much except when watching US State Department press conferences (like right now) where absolutely everybody says it every minute or so: "speaks to" instead of "speaks about" or "speaks of".

― My God's got no nose... (Tom D.), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:21 (one year ago)

It's just nice to see that the singer for Kajagoogoo is still the talk of the town.

the neverending usaaaaage

― soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:16 (one year ago)

based on that wikipedia article, I'd identify that backrooms stuff as just yer basic "objective correlative" for a particular kind of dread that has been showing up in post-armageddon films and stories for half a century at least. otherwise known as "here's the church and here's the steeple, open the doors, where are all the people?"

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:43 (one year ago)

This post resonates with me (I do not resonate with it): https://annehelen.substack.com/p/i-resonate-with-that-nails-on-chalkboard

― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 12:44 (one year ago)

"Do you like this post? Are you already thinking of all the people you want to forward it to and debate it with? Consider Subscribing! Support the things THAT RESONATE WITH YOU"

Heh

― banana-flavoured potatoes, “bonatoes”, (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 14:18 (one year ago)

speaking of xennials...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/magazine/singles-rom-com.html

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:52 (one year ago)

Steward / stewardship … it alternately makes me think of the Dickies song “if stewart could talk” or flight attendants…or the Love Boat … I don’t hate it, it is just annoying because the meanings in my head are so unrelated to the intended meaning

― sarahell, Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:29 (one year ago)

Since I read that thing about resonating I have heard three separate people (in two different states/time zones) say they resonate with xyz

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 20 April 2024 05:24 (one year ago)

tbf I know he can be a bit abrasive at times but he's often otm

― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 20 April 2024 08:28 (one year ago)

just after seeing thread i was walking near my teen’s blaring blabbering phone i immed noticed a woman saying “…MADE SO THAT IT RESONATES WITH U AND…” so yeah

today’s vibes

― schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:05 (one year ago)

"source of truth"

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 20 April 2024 17:14 (one year ago)

Got a "welcome in" from a doctor the other day.

― jaymc, Saturday, 20 April 2024 18:11 (one year ago)

I’m even a fan of “I appreciate you” because it’s not a referendum am I good y/n it’s an appreciation.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, October 30, 2023 6:20 PM (five months ago) bookmarkflaglink
I love “I appreciate you.” This is the worst fucking thread. :-(
― brimstead, Monday, October 30, 2023 6:54 PM (five months ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't think I have ever heard "I appreciate you" outside the southern U.S., but I am a fan.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, October 30, 2023 7:03 PM (five months ago) bookmarkflaglink
I have, and it’s a perfectly nice thing to say.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, October 30, 2023 7:09 PM (five months ago) bookmarkflaglink

I appreciate you has begun to make inroads at my workplace in the past few months. I enjoy seeing it written to me in an email, but it feels so intimate that I'm uncomfortable writing or saying it myself. I've definitely told colleagues, "I appreciate it," or the more casual "Much appreciated." I hadn't thought too deeply about those before now, but in the light of I appreciate you, they do seem to put a little distance between the speaker and the receiver. So, I'm a fan, but it doesn't feel natural enough for me to say yet.

― peace, man, Monday, 22 April 2024 11:46 (one year ago)

its stilted to my ears, i couldnt see where id ever hear it or use it where it wouldnt come out as a bit....much

but its a game of opinions and we are all using these phrases in very different contexts

people who take issue with the less formal versions of any such sentiment are a little weird tho i think

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 22 April 2024 11:51 (one year ago)

"sando" for sandwich

― pj, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 23:28 (one year ago)

is that an australianism?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 23:31 (one year ago)

Japanese-ism

― steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 23:33 (one year ago)

Yeah, and it's a term I only recently came across — an Asian fusion food cart that I buy from sells three different "sandos" (pork, chicken, and fish), and they're all good but that term is very annoying.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 23:46 (one year ago)

TBF "sando" the word is Japanese so kinda doesnt count here.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 23:49 (one year ago)

"Sanga" is the Australianism.

― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 2 May 2024 01:03 (one year ago)

"source of truth"

― reggae mike love (polyphonic)

Useful jargon with a specific meaning sorry

― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 2 May 2024 02:24 (one year ago)

sanger wokkas mate

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 May 2024 07:52 (one year ago)

yeah nah

― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 2 May 2024 08:28 (one year ago)

What about "sarnie"?

― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 08:56 (one year ago)

also bad

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 May 2024 09:07 (one year ago)

V bad.

Just call it a damn sandwhich. Cutesy nicknames that aren't any shorter drive me nuts. Brekkie, Crimbo, sunnies etc.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 2 May 2024 09:19 (one year ago)

we had a place here that went the other way and it was worse - 'wiches

― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 May 2024 09:30 (one year ago)

Americans often use the vile ‘sammiches’, so nobody is covering themselves in glory here.

― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 2 May 2024 09:49 (one year ago)

Never heard either of those thankfully.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 2 May 2024 10:05 (one year ago)

I don't mind "resonates".

It's a shorthand way of saying "that thing you've just described is really meaningful to me, but it would probably be too boring and unrelatable to explain, so I'm just going to say 'resonates'"

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 May 2024 10:22 (one year ago)

The word "resonate" itself isn't the issue, it's saying "I resonate with x" instead of "x resonates with me."

― jaymc, Thursday, 2 May 2024 12:51 (one year ago)

'i resonate with x' makes more logical sense to me. i'm the one reacting, the x isn't doing anything.

― ledge, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:14 (one year ago)

following the logic of the analogy it does make more sense for the object to resonate than the subject

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:24 (one year ago)

Agree with J - "i resonate with x" sounds very strange to me the same way that it sounds weird to me when people here say "you suit green" rather than "green suits you".

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:26 (one year ago)

I resonate with sarnies.

― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:37 (one year ago)

._.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:40 (one year ago)

I have gotten used to it but I still will sometimes think of it literally… like sandwiches causing the speaker’s voice to become an operatic vibrato

― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:43 (one year ago)

I definitely don’t say it… it also sometimes makes me think of vibrators and like the person getting off sexually on the inspirational meme about collective farming

― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:47 (one year ago)

Sarnies resonate with me = Sarnies get a sympathetic response from me

I resonate with sarnies = I get a sympathetic response from sarnies

― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:52 (one year ago)

isn't Sarnies that theatre bar in NYC

― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:55 (one year ago)

Sarnies resonate with me = Sarnies get a sympathetic response from me

I resonate with sarnies = I get a sympathetic response from sarnies

physically speaking that just seems completely the wrong way round (i know it's what we old folk have always said)

― ledge, Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:02 (one year ago)

I wonder if "I resonate with x" has become more popular recently because of analogous constructions like "I vibe with x" and "I fuck with x."

― jaymc, Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:24 (one year ago)

my guess is yes

it's another way of saying vibe with

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:32 (one year ago)

Americans often use the vile ‘sammiches’, so nobody is covering themselves in glory here.

Or more often sammies — which tbh of all of these I don't mind.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:34 (one year ago)

who wants a hammy sammy

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:42 (one year ago)

Federal prosecutors can indict them iirc

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:47 (one year ago)

Both the sandwich infantilism and the resonating are usages I have come to accept but I still don’t like and never say … and have to consciously avoid having a negative facial expression in response

― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:13 (one year ago)

I used to really hate the term “apps” to refer to appetizers, but I have come to accept it. I still reflexively think of the scene in “The Thick of It” where the Tory minister has to say “I call app Britain” and his obvious annoyance at it

― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:16 (one year ago)

https://y.yarn.co/8278afd4-3549-4980-8d55-4f30bd4b82db_text.gif

― mookieproof, Saturday, 4 May 2024 03:12 (one year ago)

imo, the creation and use of diminutives should remain in the exclusive domain of Australians. Doesn’t feel right any other way. Get your own culture, ya know?

― H.P, Saturday, 4 May 2024 03:26 (one year ago)

Liverpool might say the Australians are the thieves here.

― steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 4 May 2024 05:54 (one year ago)

xps gif notwithstanding, no Aussie would call them fckn “sandos” unless trying to pretend their cafe is a konbini. For starters it would cause massive confusion with the Sandringham Hotel in Melbourne. Which IS the Sando.

― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 4 May 2024 08:03 (one year ago)

Sarnies are ok in the bacon usage. Doesn’t work with cheese, peanut butter or other fillings, but bacon sarnies are ok.

― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 4 May 2024 08:13 (one year ago)

Where I come from, they call big sandwiches "grinders", so it can always be worse.

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 4 May 2024 15:14 (one year ago)

Grinders are fine …

― sarahell, Saturday, 4 May 2024 15:27 (one year ago)

Grinders
Hungry for meat

― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:08 (one year ago)

I guess if we really want to be technical, they're "grindahs"

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:14 (one year ago)

What's up with the "fish" in "tuna fish sandwich"?

― jaymc, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:34 (one year ago)

possibly related: beef brain instead of cow brain

― brimstead, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:40 (one year ago)

xposts - when I was in HS I worked at a clothing shop with an older girl who liked to tell me about her hookups. She was from somewhere in New England where subs are called grinders but I had never heard that before so was v v confused when she described someone as having a d like a grindah. Only figured it out years later when I moved to Boston.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:54 (one year ago)

Lol when Grinder the app came out, my first thought was grindah size d

― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 16:10 (one year ago)

Ahhh please drown me right this minute

But her rant backfired when she was deluged with criticism. She has now turned the comments off underneath the Instagram video.

'When I first outed the restaurant on TikTok, it reached the wrong audience of non-creators and influencers who didn't understand what was happening,' Ms May said.

'creators' is bad enough, but 'non-creators'?? KILL ME PLEASE

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:59 (one year ago)

The GOAT

So sick of this one

― new wave of pictish heavy metal (Matt #2), Tuesday, 28 May 2024 19:34 (eleven months ago)

baahhh

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 May 2024 19:40 (eleven months ago)

one of my writer friends lamented that he had to add an explainer to a sports-theme comic she had written because nobody remembered the original meaning of "goat" in sports, meaning the person who fucked up and is ostracized for their mistake, so people who read it kept asking why Garo Yepremian was the greatest of all time for throwing an interception that lead to another team's touchdown.

― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 May 2024 19:43 (eleven months ago)

Garo kind of exemplifies both meanings of goat. One kind when he “threw” (being generous) that interception but on the positive side he was a crucial piece of a GOAT team, and markedly ahead of his time as an early soccer-style kicker.

― Josefa, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 20:55 (eleven months ago)

Having said that, I don’t like the new meaning of GOAT either, it’s just obnoxious. I think Muhammad Ali popularized the phrase in the ‘70s but it was more humorous the way he utilized it.

― Josefa, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 21:02 (eleven months ago)

https://preview.redd.it/invest-in-professor-calculus-who-is-acting-the-goat-v0-5opcp92zobja1.jpg

― brimstead, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 21:07 (eleven months ago)

It sucks because it’s often used by people with pretty basic taste about obvious middlebrow exemplars.

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 12:40 (eleven months ago)

goat talk is the worst

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 12:41 (eleven months ago)

meh

― kinder, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 13:45 (eleven months ago)

The GOATSE

(Greatest Of All Time Says Everyone)

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:33 (eleven months ago)

the worst though is calling someone "a" goat; similar to how the word unique can't be modified, you can only be "the" goat in a particular field, by definition. but does that stop these basic motherfuckers no

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:33 (eleven months ago)

Words, usages, and phrases that really get your goat

― jmm, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:41 (eleven months ago)

it's baaaaa-ad

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:44 (eleven months ago)

I'm glad this was brought up since I too remember "goat" being a bad thing in sports, or at least seeing something where it was used that way

― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:44 (eleven months ago)

No point bleating about it though.

― Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:44 (eleven months ago)

Reminder of the level of competition for GOAT:

Goat on roof 'only respects one man'

― jmm, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:59 (eleven months ago)

So, "goat" means he's "bad"..

― Mark G, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 15:04 (eleven months ago)

the other thing is that sports GOAT arguments are really boring especially since you're often comparing guys who played in totally different eras since a totally different set of players. you can just say whatever you want.

― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 15:09 (eleven months ago)

yeah during football season FB kept suggesting these groups where people were basically taking two players, posting their stat sheet from this stat app that allows side by side comparisons, and writing SEE, XXX IS BETTER...

and one guy would be a QB from the 80s and the other would be like, Josh Allen.

― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 15:11 (eleven months ago)

I really don’t like seeing the word “re-sent” when the dash is left out, it causes undue alarm initially

― brimstead, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:42 (eleven months ago)

“no problem, I just resent it”

― brimstead, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:43 (eleven months ago)

Maybe I've lowkey had it with lowkey now

Why does it lowkey feel like nobody has a Dalmatian anymore
— pris (@pwiscila) May 26, 2024

― Alba, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:54 (eleven months ago)

For starters it would cause massive confusion with the Sandringham Hotel in Melbourne. Which IS the Sando.

citation needed

― bae (sic), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:38 (eleven months ago)

x-post - She is right though. I literally said this to someone within the last week. I feel like I've seen 2 Dalmatians in my whole life.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 30 May 2024 08:45 (eleven months ago)

The problem with Dalmatians is that many are born deaf or blind or both because the gene pool is kind of shallow.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 30 May 2024 10:20 (eleven months ago)

Makes that 101 all the more miraculous.

― Jeff, Thursday, 30 May 2024 10:23 (eleven months ago)

xpost - Ah, ok. Didn't know that.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 30 May 2024 10:40 (eleven months ago)

they are also notoriously difficult to train

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 31 May 2024 14:18 (eleven months ago)

Before I moved to my new flat in my old neighbourhood I'd see a couple of Dalmatian/Great Dane cross-breeds out on their walk. Nice change from all the Cockapoos and Dachshunds (all v good boys and girls tho they be).

― nashwan, Friday, 31 May 2024 14:22 (eleven months ago)

dalmatians are lowkey goated when spots are the vibe

― jaymc, Friday, 31 May 2024 14:35 (eleven months ago)

The puppies are just so cute.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 31 May 2024 14:40 (eleven months ago)

FPed you for that jaymc

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 31 May 2024 14:47 (eleven months ago)

two weeks pass...

'high-touch'

Saw this for the first time today. I really hope I never have to use it.

― jmm, Friday, 14 June 2024 19:05 (eleven months ago)

thought that was gonna be about high-fiving in a library

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 14 June 2024 19:28 (eleven months ago)

Heard that one a few years ago as my former employer scrambled to rebuild under new “leadership”

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 14 June 2024 19:59 (eleven months ago)

the 'high smooch', however, is an elegant baseketball shot

― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 June 2024 00:13 (eleven months ago)

Oh yeah, high-touch all up in my industry.

― Jeff, Saturday, 15 June 2024 01:15 (eleven months ago)

Low key high touch is mid

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 15 June 2024 01:34 (eleven months ago)

fully aware that this is a battle I lost decades ago, but still not really on board with the way middle class southern English people use the word "chill" as in "chill out" - just sounds so affected. Fine with Americans/Australians using it of course.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 June 2024 11:37 (eleven months ago)

one month passes...

“Such a surreal experience”. “It’s just so surreal”. “It really feels surreal”.

In the interview following a sporting win. Every time.

― H.P, Friday, 2 August 2024 14:05 (nine months ago)

sounds more sophisticated than "unreal"

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:07 (nine months ago)

it’s become like “literally” or “random”

― brimstead, Friday, 2 August 2024 20:37 (nine months ago)

It’s a humility thing, calling it unreal would reduce the agency of the speaker and admit that they are clueless and confused, surreal makes it sound like they’re aware of what’s going on, “oh wow I’m having an experience. I see what you did there”

― brimstead, Friday, 2 August 2024 20:39 (nine months ago)

Getting sick of rioters in the UK being described as thugs, largely as the word derives from the Thuggee gangs of India who may not even have existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

Contemporary scholarship is increasingly skeptical of the thuggee concept, and has questioned the existence of such a phenomenon,[7][8] which has led many historians to describe thuggee as the invention of the British colonial regime.[9]

I propose the alternatives of yobs, ruffians, rapscallions, ne'er-do-wells, or rowdys.

― does Guitar George really know "all the chords"? (Matt #2), Sunday, 4 August 2024 22:11 (nine months ago)

Made me laugh: just saw someone I like call himself out on TV for saying "At the end of the day" twice within a minute, then he said "at the end of the day" two more times in the next minute.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 00:22 (nine months ago)

it is what it is

― trm (tombotomod), Tuesday, 6 August 2024 00:25 (nine months ago)

At the end of the day, that's true.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 00:26 (nine months ago)

And that's okay

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 00:39 (nine months ago)

Your regular reminder that “your regular reminder” is so fucking irritating.

― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 17:42 (nine months ago)

When a sports announcer says, "that's a man's ____, right there..." - especially in Olympic basketball.

― beard papa, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 19:24 (nine months ago)

I dont know who needs to hear this..... but it's kinda surreal that at the end of the day, it just is what it is

― H.P, Wednesday, 7 August 2024 02:56 (nine months ago)

“Have a day, ATHLETE”

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 August 2024 22:53 (nine months ago)

"Robust" used indiscriminately. Can't remember when it came into vogue--maybe as far back as Obamacare? ("A robust public option.") I heard someone on the radio today who recommended a website as having "a robust amount of information." Which would be like what--it's detailed?

― clemenza, Monday, 19 August 2024 03:41 (nine months ago)

I have grown weary of “situation,” particularly in cooking youtubes

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 19 August 2024 05:52 (nine months ago)

‘Robust’ was a big fave of David Cameron’s so I’m assuming it’s a nudge unit thing.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Monday, 19 August 2024 08:49 (nine months ago)

I would OTM that if I knew what a nudge unit was.

― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.), Monday, 19 August 2024 08:51 (nine months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_Insights_Team

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Monday, 19 August 2024 12:00 (nine months ago)

Does Adam Curtis know about these people?

― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.), Monday, 19 August 2024 12:04 (nine months ago)

He does.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Monday, 19 August 2024 12:08 (nine months ago)

neither word nor phrase but that heart sign people make with their hands

― koogs, Thursday, 29 August 2024 14:42 (eight months ago)

neither word nor phrase but that heart sign people make with their hands

Ugh … yeah. …

Also I didn’t realize how annoying “Learnings” was until I saw it used by someone who should “know better”? It’s like I have a double standard for semantic loathing… if I already dislike the user, the annoying words and phrases are easier to ignore as just one more signifier of an awful person or entity… but when it’s someone or some group I haven’t already written off … that’s when it’s the most aggravating

― sarahell, Thursday, 29 August 2024 15:23 (eight months ago)

So, in the past few months I have gotten “a promotion” which means I get to attend meetings with people from other orgs and local government staff… as opposed to mainly working with the people who my org helps… so I now have moved from the annoying “woo woo” language to the corporate jargon that many of you already suffer with.

On a sociological level, I notice how the jargon use often mirrors the hierarchy… if the department head talks about a project as a “container” then a month or so later, their underling will also start talking about a project as a “container”… and I have to try not to make a face or ask, “like a shipping container? Shipping containers aren’t considered buildings or subject to building codes if they are kept on wheels…”

― sarahell, Thursday, 29 August 2024 15:32 (eight months ago)

https://i.thriftbooks.com/api/imagehandler/m/F0074583EFC9562CAA3B14F2352C2800CF12CE4E.jpeg

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:07 (eight months ago)

I still hate “morph” as a synonym for “change” every time I encounter it.

― trm (tombotomod), Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:09 (eight months ago)

In orbit … u know i want to read that

― sarahell, Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:44 (eight months ago)

I have it! Come over and borrow it some time. xo

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:52 (eight months ago)

I haven't heard 'learnings' in a while now - there's always some fresh new word to dazzle, you don't wanna be caught using stale jargon - but it was pretty well abused in nonprofit circles just prior to covid

(I heard somewhere that shipping containers are possibly the 20th century's greatest invention that nobody talks about)

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 29 August 2024 19:56 (eight months ago)

Learnings is awful and I cannot help but hear it in an ‘Igor’ voice when it appears on the page/screen.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 29 August 2024 20:00 (eight months ago)

xp
depends on what you mean by "greatest"

― rob, Thursday, 29 August 2024 20:02 (eight months ago)

I do really HATE hate "learnings." It evokes the Lloyd Alexander character Gurgi imo -- "yearnings and learnings for Gurgi, oh yes."

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 29 August 2024 20:03 (eight months ago)

lool

― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 August 2024 20:58 (eight months ago)

That's on my list to read too! xpost

― Jeff, Thursday, 29 August 2024 21:27 (eight months ago)

shipping container buildings is my favourite Grand Designs / tiny house sub-genre

― koogs, Monday, 2 September 2024 12:04 (eight months ago)

twice today I've heard "trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube"...

Not sure if I hate it but it's interesting to see how these things have their moment

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 21:46 (eight months ago)

Does it “add value”?

― sarahell, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 21:53 (eight months ago)

Levinson's shipping container book absolutely worth reading if you suspect it's your thing. This one too...

https://f.media-amazon.com/images/I/91AFvKf1ygL._SL1500_.jpg

― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 22:26 (eight months ago)

oooooh now I want a new book.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 23:40 (eight months ago)

although the phrase doesn't innately bother me, there's been an alarming increase of "lean into" in recent months

― Lee626, Friday, 6 September 2024 09:26 (eight months ago)

https://ideas.time.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2013/03/book.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

^ written about a decade ago

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 September 2024 09:32 (eight months ago)

re Shipping containers , also well worth watching this Sekula film

https://www.theforgottenspace.net/

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 7 September 2024 23:35 (eight months ago)

'colourway'

https://imgur.com/Oggx5G2

seem to be running into this a lot lately when reading about/watching news on tech or fashion. completely superfluous.

"this is the new macbook pro in a space black ~~colorway~~"

― maelin, Tuesday, 10 September 2024 01:46 (eight months ago)

...not sure where my jpeg is, but it's the trend graph of the word's usage from google...

― maelin, Tuesday, 10 September 2024 01:47 (eight months ago)

in 2024, everything is feral or potentially feral

― z_tbd, Friday, 13 September 2024 13:41 (eight months ago)

also while i'm at it, and this is one i occasionally use, but about 10 years ago many of us realized it wasn't a good practice to call everything "crazy" all the time in a positive way. "wow, they won the game? that's crazy!" etc. i think it was fine to move away from it, "crazy" has some issues and the word had a good run. but now, everything is "wild". wow that's wild. everything is wild and potentially feral. i still say "wild", so i'm not trying to make anyone reading this feel bad. this thread's wild! but yeah i might just start seeing "good"

― z_tbd, Friday, 13 September 2024 13:43 (eight months ago)

Anything new and distinct that everyone starts using all at once usually annoys me, and then I eventually surrender and start using it as well. That's how "wild" has for me recently.

― beard papa, Friday, 13 September 2024 18:40 (eight months ago)

Fire

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 13 September 2024 19:28 (eight months ago)

Also never forget “will be wild”
The podcast by the same name was also quite good tbh

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 13 September 2024 19:54 (eight months ago)

'inspo'

― he/him hoo-hah (map), Monday, 23 September 2024 17:56 (eight months ago)

"love on" in place of "to love," or "to give affection." As in "You gotta love on your babies" or "

This seems to have taken hold in anodyne Christian mom-land sometime after I departed that scene and has now escaped captivity and is everywhere. It conjures images of rubbing up against something like a cat. Probably not what the user has in mind.

On Googling, it seems this was broadcasted to wider America by the Duggars. So I was right, and also eurrgh.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:09 (eight months ago)

Oh I love “love on” as a way of describing expressions of care. My former student Linda thanked me for loving on her at graduation and I’ve liked it ever since.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:11 (eight months ago)

It’s a way of saying “showered with affection” which is to me a wonderful (and rare) thing.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:12 (eight months ago)

I think of "love on" as a Southernism, because I don't think I ever heard it until I moved to Tennessee. But I don't know if that's true or just my experience.

― Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:14 (eight months ago)

"love on" in place of "to love," or "to give affection." As in "You gotta love on your babies" or "

This seems to have taken hold in anodyne Christian mom-land sometime after I departed that scene and has now escaped captivity and is everywhere. It conjures images of rubbing up against something like a cat. .

Yes! My images involve rubbing and saliva. … like a dog. Also nonconsensual rubbing and licking. I guess I am ok with it in the context of a pet giving affection, but otherwise… no.

― sarahell, Monday, 23 September 2024 18:22 (eight months ago)

Gross!! It was not like that w Linda. She’s a mature Black woman in her 50s and she was proud of graduating. I won’t let some xtian mommies or gross imagery destroy my memory of how proud I was of her on that day 🏆

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:26 (eight months ago)

Sorry, LL! I believe you. I can hold two contradictory things in my mind: The way I feel about that expression, and respecting Linda and everything that you mean to each other.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:40 (eight months ago)

We keep in touch! I just love the idea of showering someone with care and can’t find it gross.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 23 September 2024 18:49 (eight months ago)

"that tracks"

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 27 September 2024 21:49 (seven months ago)

Well does it?

― H.P, Saturday, 28 September 2024 00:39 (seven months ago)

I didn’t like “cook” in its new verb form until I started using it myself. Now I’m cooking with it most days.

― H.P, Saturday, 28 September 2024 00:40 (seven months ago)

awaiting the linguistics paper on the rise and fall of 'serving _____'

― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 September 2024 00:46 (seven months ago)

How about an undergraduate thesis titled "Serving C*nt: an Intersectional Historical Look at the Reclamation of a Taboo Word"? (Though I guess that's less about the "serving" part.)

― jaymc, Saturday, 28 September 2024 00:57 (seven months ago)

i love u jaymc

― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 September 2024 01:00 (seven months ago)

― jaymc, Saturday, 28 September 2024 01:05 (seven months ago)

“Cunt-curious” give me a break. Of COURSE this was from Claremont.

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 28 September 2024 04:47 (seven months ago)

"____ is worse than you think"

This is every headline and video title now.

― jmm, Sunday, 29 September 2024 10:58 (seven months ago)

"actors" used to describe non-thespians definitely having a moment

― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 00:31 (seven months ago)

really? that's so common as to be unnoticeable for me, 'various actors in the region' I wouldn't even notice it

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 00:36 (seven months ago)

area actor

― a mysterious, repulsive form of energy that permeates the universe (ledge), Tuesday, 1 October 2024 07:37 (seven months ago)

When people use "spoiler alert" to refer to something that hasn't happened.

― beard papa, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 18:13 (seven months ago)

it’s not “spooky season”

there is a day, halloween, when people have costume parties and kids trick or treat

one day

not a “season”

a day

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 October 2024 21:56 (seven months ago)

also, "boo" isn't a scary word

― kinder, Friday, 18 October 2024 22:59 (seven months ago)

It’s spooky season for the people who work in retail marketing… I have been getting themed ads for the past month it feels like…

― sarahell, Friday, 18 October 2024 23:03 (seven months ago)

my point

the people pushing this are attempting to wrap several weeks of this up into an opportunity to sell us things, or like, offer me a curated collection of (x) because they literally can’t think of anything else to hang their sales pitch on and i am calling them out in their transparent bullshit

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 October 2024 08:13 (seven months ago)

boo CAN be a scary word (i will demonstrate this when you least expect it)

― mark s, Saturday, 19 October 2024 09:30 (seven months ago)

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/6012fc573dcc51351d605924/1613060617146-I755NXZPTUN1OAO2WPGE/2.png

― two turntables and a slide trombone (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 October 2024 11:06 (seven months ago)

OK boo
Wake up boo

― kinder, Saturday, 19 October 2024 11:59 (seven months ago)

my point

the people pushing this are attempting to wrap several weeks of this up into an opportunity to sell us things, or like, offer me a curated collection of (x) because they literally can’t think of anything else to hang their sales pitch on and i am calling them out in their transparent bullshit

Lol! Honestly I appreciate any delay of Christmas marketing. … which appears to be beginning already even though it’s still “spooky season”

― sarahell, Saturday, 19 October 2024 15:10 (seven months ago)

Tracer Hand, your post reminds me of the Dead
Kennedys “Halloween,” which I only started understanding many years after I first heard it.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 October 2024 16:17 (seven months ago)

big fan of the Dead
Kennedys

― Yuwen Hu's army (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 October 2024 16:43 (seven months ago)

meh, some of us who aren't Christian appreciate a holiday season where the weather is nice and there are fun decorations

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Saturday, 19 October 2024 18:29 (seven months ago)

the weather isn’t nice

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 October 2024 21:35 (seven months ago)

xpost halloween is a great song!!

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 October 2024 21:37 (seven months ago)

Come to DC the weather is absolutely magnificent

― Booger Swamp Road (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 October 2024 21:43 (seven months ago)

in Texas mid-October is your first shot at nice weather, so Halloween here is strongly associated with relief from months and months of 100-degree temps and high humidity

― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Saturday, 19 October 2024 21:54 (seven months ago)

'Budtender'

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 21 October 2024 18:15 (seven months ago)

i relate to th's halloween gripe and agree that it's obviously driven by retail marketing like 80% of holiday energy is these days. i also do not relate to and have feelings about people who spend a lot of time displaying allegiance to halloween online. although like f hazel points out it's a fun and dependable bit of jollity as the light diminishes and ultimately i'm in favor of it, taken lightly.

amazing weather in slc right now too though the sunshine and pleasant temperatures kind of mask how dangerously dry and relatively warm it's been over the past two months.

― he/him hoo-hah (map), Monday, 21 October 2024 18:29 (seven months ago)

I have just learned a new spooky season-related word ENTIRELY AGAINST MY WILL: "boo basket"

Boo. Basket.

Boo....

Apparently this is an entire mylar-wrapped assorted gift basket that you...give someone for Halloween?? Made up completely of things they don't need that you bought at TJ Maxx or whatever??! I hate it so much. Go outside and smell some fucking leaves.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 21 October 2024 18:43 (seven months ago)

Civilization was a mistake.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 21 October 2024 18:43 (seven months ago)

maybe tomorrow i’ll go into work with a jason mask! spooky!

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 October 2024 20:02 (seven months ago)

how is "and whatnot" not on this thread? i feel like i hear it every day and i never enjoy hearing it. i don't really know why it bugs me. but it does.

― scott seward, Monday, 21 October 2024 20:53 (seven months ago)

it had its day but i agree

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 October 2024 21:03 (seven months ago)

Tired of "word salad" in record time.

― clemenza, Friday, 25 October 2024 06:16 (six months ago)

People have Christmas decorations up in my office and I saw two trees in people's living rooms last night. Too early"!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 25 October 2024 10:07 (six months ago)

Cohort … it sounds like a gross phlegmy noise… and it is growing in prevalence in my world … “cohort based learning” … which is also annoying because it reminds me of how many stupid people there are and why would I want to subject myself to that. It comes from a good place, in terms of assuming everyone has value, but in practice it rarely lives up to that ideal.

― sarahell, Friday, 25 October 2024 16:57 (six months ago)

"late capitalism" - sorry guys capitalism is going to be around regenerating itself and fucking up the earth forever
― example (crüt), Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:09 PM (nine years ago)
i think its useful as a way of indicating that this is the last stage capitalism will be recognizable in its traditional form. the foundation of how a market works may stay the same but micro transactions, high frequency trading, 3d printing, online crowdfunding, automation/robotics etc (all phrases that annoy...) all point to a much more unrecognizable form that's clearly right around the corner.
― dutch_justice, Friday, March 13, 2015 7:29 AM (nine years ago)

Right around the corner, you say?

― Vast Halo, Friday, 25 October 2024 17:12 (six months ago)

Herbert Hoover was notoriously fond of claiming "prosperity is just around the corner". It wasn't.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 25 October 2024 17:21 (six months ago)

Ah, but Hoover didn't have the transformative power of 3D printing to help him.

― Vast Halo, Friday, 25 October 2024 17:41 (six months ago)

Tired of "word salad" in record time.
― clemenza, Friday, October 25, 2024 2:16 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

while it may not sound particularly technical, fyi 'word salad' is a commonly used term among psych professionals to describe a particular type of verbal disorganization in people who are floridly psychotic. i too am tired of seeing it casually used to describe trump though, with you there

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 25 October 2024 18:47 (six months ago)

As someone who likes salad and dislikes Trump … otm

― sarahell, Friday, 25 October 2024 19:20 (six months ago)

Didn't know that...Harris is getting it now too.

― clemenza, Friday, 25 October 2024 19:21 (six months ago)

do you guys think that "air of menace" would be a good band name? i read that in a book every once in awhile and think it might be good. there's nobody using it...

― scott seward, Friday, 25 October 2024 22:55 (six months ago)

needs an umlaut

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 25 October 2024 22:56 (six months ago)

heir of menace...hair of menace...hmmm.

― scott seward, Friday, 25 October 2024 23:25 (six months ago)

"the festive period"

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 October 2024 11:36 (six months ago)

https://reactormag.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Iconic-Book-Banner-wide-740x370.png

enough, for fuck's sake

― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 November 2024 07:29 (six months ago)

was just in a zoom meeting and a colleague made a reference to 'boiling the ocean,' i.e. something that takes a great deal of effort when we probably don't need that level of detail

assuming this is some new business-speak I'll be hearing more of

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 11 November 2024 19:40 (six months ago)

We’ve been boiling the ocean for awhile now, nothing new.

― Jeff, Monday, 11 November 2024 19:41 (six months ago)

Tired of "word salad" in record time.
― clemenza, Friday, October 25, 2024 2:16 AM (twelve hours ago)

This is actually getting worse with AI. Someone sent me an assessment last week that was 5x longer than it needed to be, to say what she wanted to say. Also at first she forgot to take the header off the top that said, "Here is your sophisticated, complex summary" or something like that.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 11 November 2024 19:49 (six months ago)

I'm convinced this woman I've been seeing recently is using AI to compose text messages, too 'uncanny valley'

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 11 November 2024 19:53 (six months ago)

I'm convinced this woman I've been seeing recently is using AI to compose text messages, too 'uncanny valley'

Tell her that you prefer voice memos lol

― sarahell, Monday, 11 November 2024 19:59 (six months ago)

"boiling the ocean" is one I've heard for many years

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 11 November 2024 20:02 (six months ago)

Ahh, okay... it was new to me

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 11 November 2024 20:10 (six months ago)

It’s been current in Britain for awhile in work contexts. I like it, it’s useful

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 November 2024 20:54 (six months ago)

Well, we don't have to boil the ocean.

We may have to drink from the firehouse.

But we should beware of drinking our own bathwater.

We need to figure out the long pole in the tent. Cover down. Answer the mail. Salute the flag.

Careful about the sharks in the water, and the wolf that's closest to the wagon.

― abreast of what's afoot (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 12:56 (six months ago)

*firehose, dammit

― abreast of what's afoot (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 12:57 (six months ago)

don't drink your own bathwater, but always eat your own dogfood

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 13:06 (six months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AsQtt3wmPc

― biting your uncles (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 13:25 (six months ago)

“Whisper it, but….”

There was a particularly ludicrous version of this in the Telegraph this week, soundly ridiculed by its own readers:

“Whisper it, but the Middle East may be on the brink of peace”

― Bob Six, Tuesday, 12 November 2024 14:01 (six months ago)

oh that's great news tho

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 12 November 2024 14:05 (six months ago)

Surely the Telegraph was wittily harking back to Tacitus's "they make a desert and call it peace".

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 18:57 (six months ago)

Saying some was “not on my bingo card” has had its time and now must go.

― Sam Weller, Thursday, 14 November 2024 07:39 (six months ago)

*something

― Sam Weller, Thursday, 14 November 2024 07:39 (six months ago)

Beginning a post with "(profession) here."

― John Backflip (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 November 2024 07:55 (six months ago)

Ha, I almost posted that here a few days ago. 'Art historian here...'

― Sam Weller, Thursday, 14 November 2024 08:16 (six months ago)

I've never heard of "not on my bingo card"!

― biting your uncles (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 November 2024 09:18 (six months ago)

Obv it wasn't on your bingo card

― badder living thru Kemistry (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 November 2024 09:30 (six months ago)

Bingo player here

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 November 2024 10:31 (six months ago)

Bingo.

― biting your uncles (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 November 2024 10:46 (six months ago)

two weeks pass...

you've already asked me to "give to the max" and now you're trying to tell me it's "giving tuesday"? sorry, no

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 15:51 (five months ago)

in december every charitable and political entity is shaking the money tree hard enough to uproot it

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 18:50 (five months ago)

i was reading budo’s post like huh what is a tuesday vibe how can something be giving tuesday, kinda leaned into the possible facets of tuesdayness. thank u ilx

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 22:17 (five months ago)

I can only hear it in the slang sense now — it's giving Tuesday.

― Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 23:00 (five months ago)

oh lol that was your point Tracer, sorry — read past it

― Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 23:02 (five months ago)

haha yes, i had the same thought

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 23:24 (five months ago)

Didn’t we cover this in the NYT Purple thread last week?

― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 05:28 (five months ago)

Ivy League graduate

― rob, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 14:43 (five months ago)

you've already asked me to "give to the max" and now you're trying to tell me it's "giving tuesday"? sorry, no

― budo jeru, Tuesday, December 3, 2024 9:51 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

the following week i heard, "during this giving season, ..."

shameless

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 15:41 (five months ago)

What about this bothers you? Half of all promotional emails I get around now are about shopping for gifts … that you give others. Charities, for many decades, have also increased solicitations of gifts from the public, because the public is already thinking about gifts and giving. Imo this complaint is like complaining about Christmas decorations in December…

― sarahell, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 15:50 (five months ago)

A lot of people do their QCDs at the end of the year.

― brimstead, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 15:53 (five months ago)

older folks

― brimstead, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 15:53 (five months ago)

CocoRosie

― @DaftLammy (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2024 15:57 (five months ago)

Imo this complaint is like complaining about Christmas decorations in December…

― sarahell, Tuesday, December 10, 2024 9:50 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

what would be the problem with posting about not liking xmas decorations? right, absolutely nothing. never understood why so many people feel the need to step in and police other people's annoyances. it's really not that serious

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 16:08 (five months ago)

you can just remove yourself from those lists and never donate again

― brimstead, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 16:36 (five months ago)

sorry, maybe don’t make two revives in a row complaining about being asked to donate money, these things are not directly designed for you, it’s for a wide net to get as much $$$ as possible

― brimstead, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 16:38 (five months ago)

i wasn't complaining about being asked for money, i was posting about a word, usage, or phrase that annoyed me

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 17:49 (five months ago)

sorry, please only post here words, usage or phrases that annoy the shit out of you. not just that annoy you in a commonplace manner.

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 18:08 (five months ago)

plz be annoyed with style and flair. kthxbye

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 December 2024 18:23 (five months ago)

It’s not an issue of style and flair, it’s the fact that this expression has been common for decades … as opposed to the vast majority of the things in this thread which are relatively novel in their existence or omnipresence

― sarahell, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 18:57 (five months ago)

maybe you and brimstead could put together a flowchart

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 19:16 (five months ago)

Gentleman, you can't quarrel over semantics here, this is the words, usages and phrases that annoy you thread

― Alba, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 19:19 (five months ago)

Gentlemen

― Alba, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 19:20 (five months ago)

"leaning into", "adjacent", "coded"

― neil young & crazy frog (doo rag), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 23:01 (five months ago)

thank you

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 23:35 (five months ago)

"leaning into", "adjacent", "coded"

The first two don’t annoy me as much because I will use them in jokes.

As far as coded goes … is there a particular usage that bothers you? I am going to assume it’s not the emergency room one.

― sarahell, Thursday, 12 December 2024 15:54 (five months ago)

when confronted with someone who has bad memories of xyz: "create new memories!"

STFU please

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 December 2024 15:58 (five months ago)

‘Making memories’ can do one, too.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 12 December 2024 15:59 (five months ago)

ah that faux hippy-dippy 'posi vibes only' movement can go to hell

― Riposte Malone (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2024 16:04 (five months ago)

like no consideration to the fact that the bad memories don't magically just go away even if you do generate some new positive memories in the same environment and may be an obstacle to putting yourself in that environment again.

― Riposte Malone (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2024 16:05 (five months ago)

Unpopular opinion: [something completely obvious and uncontroversial]

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 16 December 2024 17:26 (five months ago)

As far as coded goes … is there a particular usage that bothers you? I am going to assume it’s not the emergency room one.
― sarahell, Thursday, December 12, 2024 3:54 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I assume it's the analytical/academic usage, like "queer-coded," "white-coded," etc.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 16 December 2024 17:43 (five months ago)

Tired of every minor life tip being referred to as a "cheat code"

― Riposte Malone (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 December 2024 17:46 (five months ago)

is it better or worse than lifehack?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 16 December 2024 17:51 (five months ago)

Better, marginally

― Riposte Malone (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 December 2024 17:54 (five months ago)

"Unpopular opinion: [something completely obvious and uncontroversial]"

My fave internet thing is still that whole "Make fun of me all you want but i actually LIKE Abba!"

even better if you mention that they are a "guilty pleasure" because then you can have 100 responses on social media from people saying that they also love Abba and that they don't believe in guilty pleasures if you like something you like it you know what i mean...

― scott seward, Monday, 16 December 2024 17:56 (five months ago)

its still a really easy way to get a big response from people on social media. i don't know if people do it for that reason though.

― scott seward, Monday, 16 December 2024 18:00 (five months ago)

i can abide cheat codes and lifehacks when they're actually unexpected and innovative. but too often it's like "lifehack: keep your perishable food in the refrigerator and it will actually last longer!"

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 16 December 2024 18:08 (five months ago)

I assume it's the analytical/academic usage, like "queer-coded," "white-coded," etc.

This has become more widespread in the last few years on social media and other non-academic contexts. A recent example that comes to mind is a tweet from Jeremy O. Harris calling the spate of celebrity lookalike contests "so Great Depression era coded."

― jaymc, Monday, 16 December 2024 18:10 (five months ago)

In some ways, it doesn't seem that different from "It's giving..." It's become another way of saying something is evocative of something else.

― jaymc, Monday, 16 December 2024 18:12 (five months ago)

Yes agree. Also this

A recent example that comes to mind is a tweet from Jeremy O. Harris calling the spate of celebrity lookalike contests "so Great Depression era coded."

...is hilarious. And true?

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 16 December 2024 18:16 (five months ago)

"Giving" used this new way is jarring for me but comprehensible.

I try to hear it as an abridged version of "giving a ___ vibe."

― Rumspringsteen (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 December 2024 03:02 (five months ago)

Cohort … I realized that I dislike it in the way that the moist-haters dislike “moist”

― sarahell, Tuesday, 17 December 2024 03:14 (five months ago)

It's become another way of saying something is evocative of something else.

― jaymc, Monday, December 16, 2024 1:12 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Giving isn't really new at all. It's been used this way in black/latino LGBTQ ballroom culture and drag circles since the 80s it's just recently been adopted by everyone else. I have to imagine Drag Race played a part in that. I don't mind it but I do mind when it's used incorrectly.

I saw an Italian restaurant with a sign of pasta that said "It's giving pasta." Nope. It isn't giving pasta. It's actually just fucking pasta.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 14:34 (five months ago)

It’s fucking pasta?

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 14:35 (five months ago)

lol

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 14:35 (five months ago)

It's giving tree

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-yto0giq5nx/images/stencil/640w/products/3547/6963/4520giving-2__34597.1627886610.jpg

― Rumspringsteen (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 14:42 (five months ago)

I only started hearing it about 3 years ago from queer club scene people … so (apologies to budo jeru), I named a fundraising campaign for an arts org I worked for “It’s Giving Giving” … I don’t think enough people got the reference…. Looking at other promotional campaigns/marketing emails from the time, the only other one I saw using that expression was the Betsey Johnson brand … now it is a lot more popular.

― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 14:45 (five months ago)

I think maybe it was centered in NYC … anyway ENBB otm

― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 14:47 (five months ago)

if you hear slang in American English, just assume it's taken from queer and/or Black communities, that's where like 90% of it comes from and that's been true for probably 100 years now

― hope is the thing with challops (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 15:42 (five months ago)

I've noticed 'flowers' a, er, bunch in the last year or so - particularly in football podcasts - as in 'we need to give Bukayo Saka flowers for his performance'. I quite liked it initially but I might have had enough of it now.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 17:20 (five months ago)

The better usage is ‘come get your flowers’ - meaning that praise is past due. Whether this applies to Sam’s, I couldn’t say.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 17:27 (five months ago)

In my experience I've seen this coming from (again) parts of the Black community and is a reference to funeral flower arrangements and the outpouring of appreciation and memorializing that comes after someone passes on; it's saying, do the appreciation while they're here to receive it and be appreciated instead of after it's too late.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 17:31 (five months ago)

I first heard it on Ian Wright's podcast, where he has predominantly other pundits of colour involved, and figured it had come from Black culture. I'm totally here for that, of course. It's just when it becomes ubiquitous that I start to get wound up by stuff like it - as in, he scored a goal, flowers, or, he tied his shoelaces, flowers!

Pointlessly grouchy obviously, but that's what the thread's for, so...

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 17:38 (five months ago)

No yeah that's kind of silly. I'm not saying you shouldn't be annoyed by bad usage!

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 17:46 (five months ago)

Oh, I know you weren't - that was a more general hedge for if I sounded like I was being dumb and grouchy!

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:03 (five months ago)

two weeks pass...

Feel the need to interject: just because a piece of slang or new usage comes from a certain culture doesn’t mean it belongs to that culture, but simply that it has some origins in that culture. I know that no one has said this, but especially in the queer world, I get tired of people proclaiming ownership over language, particularly because half of the time, that ownership is false. Acknowledging origins is wonderful, proclaiming ownership is scary imho.

For example, some years ago somebody posted an infographic claiming that white people should know that the term “salty” in its contemporary meaning comes from Ballroom culture, but as a queer history buff, the origins of this term date back to Polari, where the rough and tumble ways of sailors/navymen as trade who ‘went from port to port’ gave rise to the term as we now know it.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 3 January 2025 15:53 (four months ago)

good post imo and otm imo

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 3 January 2025 15:57 (four months ago)

Kind of like the Irish claiming "craic"?

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 3 January 2025 16:04 (four months ago)

If people were respectful and kept in mind that language does have origins and things can have special meanings for groups that you're not part of, we wouldn't even be having conversations about who "owns language." Probably. Agree "ownership" is not a useful concept but people being shitheads really flattens all the nuance out of things.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 3 January 2025 16:10 (four months ago)

Agree with Table and this position should of course be extended to music as well. This is on my mind as I just read that Mary Lou Williams, one of my historical jazz heroes was dismissive (to say the least) about white jazz musicians.

― The Whimsical Muse (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 3 January 2025 16:43 (four months ago)

I just read that Mary Lou Williams, one of my historical jazz heroes was dismissive (to say the least) about white jazz musicians.

But also Ahmad Jamal! I read that piece too; it was wild.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 3 January 2025 18:16 (four months ago)

Culture in America hangs off an ownership framework now though, with a judiciary and police force girding it. Once money or your livelihood is part of the equation, ownership of culture (like slang/jargon) is going to be a contested thing. If you don't defend it, someone else will (via expertise working in that ownership framework) take it from you and cut you out of its extracted value. There's a reason you see those talismanic posts on social media where people assert ownership of their content or bitter fights about attribution on Twitter. Yeah people care about language attribution as a thing itself, but I think the conflict is generally more rooted in historically and materially disadvantaged cultural groups being on high alert (with good reason) about getting ripped off. Getting noticed is flattering, but if you're historically prey it also signals the predators are now aware of you.

― hope is the thing with challops (f. hazel), Friday, 3 January 2025 18:55 (four months ago)

I understand that, but no one “owns” language just as no one “owns” cuisine. To think so is to deny the mutable, to deny combination, to deny the very act of creation itself.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 3 January 2025 22:18 (four months ago)

i can see both aspects of this, and find figuring out where the one ends and the other begins to be both fascinating and pertinent. however, i would never have that discussion on this board lol

― budo jeru, Friday, 3 January 2025 22:35 (four months ago)

You’ll think you’ll get a better one anywhere else? :)

― The Whimsical Muse (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 3 January 2025 22:48 (four months ago)

to deny that ownership occupies territory in linguistic praxis is to deny that people have motivations for using language

― hope is the thing with challops (f. hazel), Saturday, 4 January 2025 20:55 (four months ago)

if 'ownership' is construed in the legal framework that it usually occupies, then I have a hard time seeing how it applies to language. if it is construed much more loosely as involving 'having a share of interest in its use, but not a controlling interest', then yes I agree that kind of ownership exists, but since it has no effective mechanism of control it's an ownership that's too diffuse to have an identifiable owner.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 4 January 2025 21:08 (four months ago)

Pretty confident Table is very familiar with this issue, f hazel. Maybe more than anyone else on ILX idk…

I am now officially old because I am less annoyed and more just confused by these things. Like salty is some Robert Louis Stevenson era term for sailors and sailorish speech. … It later got conferred on rural farmers iirc.

I see these older uses appear in “trendy” speech and memes and just think … why did this come back? … like shenanigans… and more recently, demure.

― sarahell, Saturday, 4 January 2025 21:09 (four months ago)

It sometimes feels like I live on some secluded island and receive messages in bottles using contemporary language trends and I read the message, and I understand it, more or less, and that’s about it lol

― sarahell, Saturday, 4 January 2025 21:13 (four months ago)

people assert ownership of language all the time in the real world, and their claims are backed up not just by law but also language speakers themselves, not sure why this is a problematic statement to be honest... just saying it's true doesn't mean I personally think it's a good thing

― hope is the thing with challops (f. hazel), Saturday, 4 January 2025 21:43 (four months ago)

Are you speaking of copyrighted works or other language recognized as proprietary? Because everyday spoken, conversational language doesn't get legally recognized as owned and protected that I'm aware of, as in who owns the English language?

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 4 January 2025 22:20 (four months ago)

Language gets claimed as owned and these claims of ownership are enforced by the people that speak it and respected by people that don't, this is an everyday fact of language across the entire world and throughout history. Legal systems often get involved in these claims of ownership. You say nobody owns the English language, my knowledge of the history of dialects like AAVE and other nonstandard Englishes tells me that is not and has never been an widely-accepted position or everyday reality. America is rife with people asserting ownership of the English language. This thread is a decades-old example of the phenomenon? The Hopi community didn't find the concept to be so cut-and-dried when a Hopi language dictionary was published by Arizona University Press:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopi_Dictionary/Hop%C3%ACikwa_Lav%C3%A0ytutuveni

― hope is the thing with challops (f. hazel), Saturday, 4 January 2025 22:32 (four months ago)

Whether it is widely-accepted or not flies in the face that it is everyday reality— if you use language in the public sphere, then that is opening the language to recombination and usage that might not arrive from he language’s original users or in its original context. Sometimes this opening and usage by an “other” is nefarious, but more often, it is not, and is simply part of a process of language distribution, and often points to appreciation for the original users’ ingenuity.

This is not to deny the colonial and imperial elements of English language distribution— that is certainly always present.

The Hopi case you bring up has a different element to it, because it isn’t a language or dialect that is used outside of a small population, and so its potential for recombination and appropriation are minimal.

I’m also just going to say something controversial: people who claim “ownership” of a word or phrase in the English language are, simply put, wrong.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 January 2025 13:10 (four months ago)

Shakespeare gets credited with coining/inventing words and phrases; surely most were things he heard and was simply the first to write down.

Presumably from the equivalent of queer and POC spaces; ye olde dance clubs and whatnot

― meow mix-a-lot (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 5 January 2025 13:23 (four months ago)

Exactly— the issue is that just as settler culture lays claim to certain elements of language and usage, the replication of that ownership mindset, while understandable, does not reflect either the way language actually works, nor does it do any favors to language’s continuous evolution.

Do I believe that certain words should be off-limits to certain people based on identity markers? Sure. If someone calls me a “faggot” in a derogatory way and they aren’t queer, I absolutely have the right the call them on it and/or punch them.

But take a term like “kiki,” which I have seen people “lay claim” to— like the aforementioned “salty,” its origins and meanings have mutated over time since its origins in the 1930s.

What those who are asking for “ownership” of language are missing is that etymology itself often denies their claims. Language is mutable, and any who try to prevent mutation and recombination are actually acting against language and its most interesting qualities.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 January 2025 15:35 (four months ago)

Bleh, need coffee, sorry for obvious mistakes in that post lol

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 January 2025 15:36 (four months ago)

America is rife with people asserting ownership of the English language. This thread is a decades-old example of the phenomenon?

This is a weird combination of sentences considering one of the most interesting things about this thread is the exchange of opinions between Americans, and posters from other English speaking countries, including England, where the real lesson of the thread is language’s mutability.

― sarahell, Sunday, 5 January 2025 17:16 (four months ago)

Like I remember 13 years ago or so when Branwell started using the term Mansplain … and there was a lot of hostility to it … and now it is accepted.

― sarahell, Sunday, 5 January 2025 17:19 (four months ago)

"We watched ______________ so you don't have to"

Not sure I hate it but it seems to be having a moment

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 17:34 (four months ago)

"What's your favorite ____ and why is it _____?" Is a formula I do not like.

Except in one case, "what is the best 80s movie," because there is only one correct answer and it is "Better Off Dead."

― air guitar tech (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 January 2025 18:25 (four months ago)

Dude no … it’s Repo Man … period.

― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 18:33 (four months ago)

Oh my god I thought I was the only person to have ever watched Better Off Dead. I fucking love that movie.

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 14 January 2025 21:44 (four months ago)

i want my $2!!

― kinder, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 22:36 (four months ago)

Zuckerberg, in a post to Threads defending the moves, wrote, “Some people may leave our platforms for virtue signaling, but I think the vast majority and many new users will find that these changes make the products better.”

maybe this belongs in the 'irrationally angry' thread instead, but I fucking hate when tech bro's refer to their stupid apps or websites as 'products.' Yes, I guess they're technically products but not like a pencil sharpener or a Saab station wagon

The low point was a few years ago I saw a young woman on BART with a tshirt that said 'I heart my product' ugh the worst, I hate it

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 19:25 (four months ago)

(Also, Zuck, it may be more than 'virtue signaling' asshole)

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 19:26 (four months ago)

unrelated but isn’t zuck doing the exact opposite of virtue signaling? eg he’s saying facebook WON’T call out hate speech or moderate factually inaccurate posts?

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 January 2025 20:38 (four months ago)

Vice signaling

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 January 2025 20:40 (four months ago)

i read it as saying that moving to other platforms was the "virtue signalling"

― kinder, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 20:45 (four months ago)

Zuck is offended when others rub it in his face that they act with virtue rather than soullessly, merely by doing so

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 20:49 (four months ago)

i read it as saying that moving to other platforms was the "virtue signalling"

oh right duh

so glad all our social media overlords are thoroughly redpilled

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 January 2025 00:22 (four months ago)

agreed, it is outrageous when people act virtuously, in fact it's borderline bullying

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 January 2025 00:23 (four months ago)

'inspo'

― hexham head (map), Thursday, 16 January 2025 02:49 (four months ago)

Inspo for a collab

― . (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 January 2025 04:07 (four months ago)

'inspo'

Ha yeah! … it made me think just now … what are the traits of an INSP and are they the most likely to use the term “inspo”

― sarahell, Thursday, 16 January 2025 13:13 (four months ago)

I'm quite sure they've been brought up already, but "influencer" and "content creator" are a low point in the entire history of the world.

― clemenza, Saturday, 18 January 2025 20:18 (four months ago)

maybe this belongs in the 'irrationally angry' thread instead, but I fucking hate when tech bro's refer to their stupid apps or websites as 'products.' Yes, I guess they're technically products but not like a pencil sharpener or a Saab station wagon

I have this aversion but about “tool” … when the thing in question is a powerpoint slide deck or a spreadsheet or a quiz … and most of the time these “tools” aren’t all that helpful?

The low point was a few years ago I saw a young woman on BART with a tshirt that said 'I heart my product' ugh the worst, I hate it

I would wonder if it was an ironic mom shirt… like the way you describe it, it’s so stupid it could be funny

― sarahell, Saturday, 18 January 2025 20:25 (four months ago)

I get Clockwork Orange vibes whenever I see a timeline described as a ‘feed’.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Saturday, 18 January 2025 20:38 (four months ago)

recently encountered "instagrammable architecture" -- perfectly clear what this means and not annoying but just sort of sad

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 January 2025 15:28 (four months ago)

your looks are flammable, uninstagrammable...

― fetter, Wednesday, 22 January 2025 16:59 (four months ago)

heh, sounds like a cole porter lyric

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 January 2025 18:28 (four months ago)

two weeks pass...

"the joys"

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 10 February 2025 16:26 (three months ago)

never encountered this one

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 10 February 2025 17:12 (three months ago)

it's a British thing. somebody whines about something in their life, often their kids, or their commute, and then they will kind of make amends for their whining by wistfully sighing "the joys!!!" - or someone else will add it once the whiner has rumbled to a stop - as a shorthand for an ironic paean to "the joys" of parenting, or the joys of being a commuter.

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 10 February 2025 17:16 (three months ago)

oh my god the use of “timeline” as ironic distancing rhetoric seems to have spiked again recently. FUCK OFF. There are no other streams of reality in any meaningful way. Deal with what is happening instead of arching an eyebrow.

― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 13 February 2025 03:39 (three months ago)

i'm always slightly off-target ITT (in that i don't mention trending vexations) and this may seem pedantic, but here goes

i posted before about people saying shit like "i'm gonna go gym" or "we're going pub, you coming?"

i'm cool with colloquial expression and everything, but the absence of a preposition here absolutely grinds my gears!

now, i seem to be often hearing "i put ____" without a direct object following it?
e.g.
maelin: "this bread tastes great, did you do something different with it?"
mrs. maelin: "yeah, it was a little bland before, so i put salt. i put more oats, too"
maelin: ???

my wife is american, i'm british - so i thought it was just an american thing, but i've been hearing/reading it everywhere lately...?

i mean, it would make sense to me in the instance of, for example:

"what did you put for gender on the form?"
"i put female"

but... otherwise, what?

― maelin, Friday, 14 February 2025 00:15 (three months ago)

my kids do this all the time and it drives me crazy

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 February 2025 08:57 (three months ago)

i'm american but they grew up in london fwiw

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 February 2025 08:57 (three months ago)

Definitely a London thing, definitely started by state school kids 20y back when length of message on devices had to be a consideration (‘to’ in ‘going to Primark’ uses up three spaces). My neighbour is 33 and she uses ‘go Whitechapel’ or ‘go Primark’ speaking and in texts.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 14 February 2025 09:47 (three months ago)

Those are fun and good imo.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 14 February 2025 10:13 (three months ago)

This drives me nuts. I hear it most often from non-londoners in the form of "give it me" or I "gave it him" etc. I thought dropping the "to" here was a specific thing and haven't noticed people dropping them. Don't think it's an American thing at all. To me it's really English.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 February 2025 11:27 (three months ago)

‘He wrote me’ is definitely American English that British people HATE. All the others are urban British.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 14 February 2025 11:32 (three months ago)

i think that one may have come from regional dialect tho, id associate that directly and maybe some of the others with yer yorkshire tongue

generally im leery (as a speaker of three of four differing anglo dialects myself depending on company) of these things being seen as in any way vexatious

there might be a correct english but most good english is of the other sort as far as communicating goes imo and i guess im willing to start asking some pretty direct questions of anyone who feels very strongly otherwise

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2025 11:34 (three months ago)

We all code switch to some extent! Neighbour mentioned knows the power of ‘telephone voice’ where she switches up to something approaching RP.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 14 February 2025 11:39 (three months ago)

yep def

that last part was a wider point not aimed at anyone tbf which i should clarify, just did seem worth noting also

i may be sensitive to this because i know somebody who corrects my western irish grammar every now and again, and i make a point now to note that if and when i use it, its beacause its my english and its possibly the best english for whatever i was expressing- altho i love all the celtic and whichever other regional flavours, i cherish the richness of it all

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2025 11:42 (three months ago)

I have no beef with regional dialects, slang, language as a developing process - but cannot shift the massive annoyance at how they've been replaced by internet/socials meme-virus words becoming omnipresent. it may be something about the speed of them being used in advertising to try to make products/companies seem "real just like you". Some link to the smoothie-aesthetic. I'm thinking in particular of "obsessed/obsession".... its everywhere; and i guess when people start using them all the time in their real life conversations, some part of me thinks "do you not realise you're letting other people take over your brain/communications?".... on the other hand when i meet someone with a really unusual way of talking/structuring sentences/using weird words - i finally breathe a sigh of relief; "ah! one of the real humans from the past". I appreciate this is all judgemental, i probably also do it - but it bugs the shit out of me and no amount of trying to explain it helps me to not be bugged.

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:00 (three months ago)

That's definitely Northern English, I imagine people have been saying that since before William the Conqueror.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:04 (three months ago)

... I should have started that post with, "Oh give over!"

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:05 (three months ago)

Yeah and I think Darragh was saying it's from Yorkshire but weirdly I've heard it the most in/around ppl from the midlands. I don't mind regional dialects/grammar either normally but for some reason that one bugs me. The "to" there is such a small word but it belongs there!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:18 (three months ago)

It's probably from the Midlands too tbf.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:38 (three months ago)

We all code switch to some extent

Should be pinned to the top of the thread

― Zurich is Starmed (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:51 (three months ago)

Sorry, "pinned to top of thread"

― Zurich is Starmed (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:53 (three months ago)

while I wouldn't say "give it me" I WOULD say "give me it" as opposed to the "give it to me" option (this is not a Cure joke)

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:59 (three months ago)

Give it me!: Pronominal ditransitives in English dialects by Johanna Gerwin

dive in!

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:07 (three months ago)

Give it me is Shakespearean, appears in Othello scene with the handkerchief.

Omitting vs. including "to" in destinations calls to my mind transatlantic differences like in hospital / in the hospital.

― Leprecan't even (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:11 (three months ago)

while I wouldn't say "give it me" I WOULD say "give me it" as opposed to the "give it to me" option (this is not a Cure joke)

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Friday, 14 February 2025 14:59 (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

michael jackson brummie nottingham chorus

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:16 (three months ago)

(xp) So according to that it is actually more Midlands than Northern.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:17 (three months ago)

xp dive thee in

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:18 (three months ago)

interesting tidbits from that article:

-the "give me it" construction frequently appeared in American English in the 1800s but faded in the 1900s and vanished by the 1940s

-"give it me" theorized to be less preferred due to violating the Principle of Rhythmic Alternation:

Third, phonological factors may also account for the preference of PREP over the
other variants. As Jespersen (1927: 288) puts it: ‘there is in all languages a tendency to
place a weakly stressed pronoun as near to the verb as possible’. More recent research
has identified ‘The Principle of Rhythmic Alternation’ as crucial in determining
grammatical choices (see Selkirk 1984; Schlüter 2005). This principle holds that ‘an
ideal rhythm alternates between maximally contrasting units, i.e. between stressed and
unstressed syllables’ (Schlüter 2005: 18). A sequence like give it to me should thus be
preferred over give me it, for example, as in the latter all three syllables can be seen
as equally stressed and thus constitute a ‘stress clash’ (cf. Selkirk 1984: 47). PREP, on
the other hand, provides intervening unstressed material in the form of a preposition,
and thus the rhythmic structure of the sequence is optimised.

-and as Tom D just noted, according the corpora that paper used, more Midlands than North in the UK (there's a map so you can see exactly what they mean with those regions)

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:20 (three months ago)

that was also not a joke it was a typo!

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:25 (three months ago)

Woah - v interesting. Will read later.

transatlantic differences like in hospital / in the hospital

lol I work at a hospital. "In hospital" just sounds so wrong to me.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 14 February 2025 15:43 (three months ago)

'In hospital' is still contextual right? If I were near the hospital, it would become a countable noun and I'd use an article. In contrast, if I were discussing it from afar, as an abstraction, it would become uncountable, and simply 'in hospital'.

I can imagine a situation where I might say 'in school' or 'in church' but never, say, 'in shop' or 'in pub'. Is that an institutional thing or a regional thing or what? (Grammarly is suggesting in shop and in pub are wrong, too - not church or school.)

I would 100% like to employ a linguistician for a week, just so I could ask about stuff like this.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:26 (three months ago)

that is all different, i think, from the modern slang omission going on in phrases like “i’m going pub”

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 February 2025 16:30 (three months ago)

(xp) Institutional - church, school, prison

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:33 (three months ago)

... standard life path for some people.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:33 (three months ago)

Heh.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:35 (three months ago)

I suppose British people's dropping of prepositions balances out with their extraneous use of "do" and "done."

― jaymc, Friday, 14 February 2025 16:40 (three months ago)

Not familiar with that, I don't think?

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:42 (three months ago)

Also what does "British" actually mean in this and other cases?

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:44 (three months ago)

"Do you live around here?"

"I did do."

― Leprecan't even (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 February 2025 16:50 (three months ago)

its everywhere; and i guess when people start using them all the time in their real life conversations, some part of me thinks "do you not realise you're letting other people take over your brain/communications?

That's what communication is though surely, we're all perpetually picking up words and phrases from the people in our life. Co-option by advertising is annoying sure.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 14 February 2025 21:06 (three months ago)

Anyway I love "I'm going cinema" and the like. Get that prepoeition outta here, it's had it too good for too long w/o pulling much weight.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 14 February 2025 21:10 (three months ago)

Yeah I won't even respect it enough to spell it right.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 14 February 2025 21:10 (three months ago)

It'll never replace, "Ah'm gaun tae the pictures", in Glasgow.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2025 21:50 (three months ago)

admittedly, i am from the north-east of england and express that "am goan t'tha pictures", but at least the preposition is still there in my mind...!

― maelin, Friday, 14 February 2025 22:42 (three months ago)

just this morning it was “we’re taking bus, we’re not taking train??”

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 15 February 2025 09:28 (three months ago)

are you particularly concerned with the specific bus to be taken?

to what extent?

if it were the no. 17, for instance, but one of many 17's, and not bus engine no. 165473r, would you be perturbed?

what part of "the" bus has you thus mithered?

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 February 2025 09:44 (three months ago)

At this point the boys are just doing this to wind you up.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Saturday, 15 February 2025 10:29 (three months ago)

Henry Green did all this in 1929.

Bridesley, Birmingham.
Two o'clock. Thousands came back from dinner along streets.
"What we want is go, push," said works manager to son of Mr. Dupret. "What I say to them is — let's get on with it, let's get the stuff out."
Thousands came back to factories they worked in from their dinners.
"I'm always at them but they know me. They know I'm a father and mother to them. If they're in trouble they've but to come to me. And they turn out beautiful work, beautiful work. I'd do anything for 'em and they know it."
Noises of lathes working began again in this factory. Hundreds went along road outside, men and girls. Some turned in to Dupret factory.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 February 2025 10:36 (three months ago)

For some reason British people often say "I'm going to the hospital" rather than just "I'm going to hospital". Though we wouldn't say "I'm going to the school" unless it was referring to a one already specified.

― Alba, Saturday, 15 February 2025 12:51 (three months ago)

"I'm going to school" would usually mean attending school. I say "I'm going to the school" or "I'm going to Fred's school" if I am visiting as an adult.
Same as I'd say 'I'm going to the hospital' if I was visiting, but "I'm going to hospital / I'll be in hospital" if I was a patient.

"I'm going Nando's" strikes me as quite Bristolian but actually works in any region.

― kinder, Saturday, 15 February 2025 13:59 (three months ago)

I started a thread many years ago about the use of "the" before hospital, school, bar, gym, etc. definite articles

― jaymc, Saturday, 15 February 2025 14:28 (three months ago)

Yes, it's interesting that and useful.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 February 2025 14:32 (three months ago)

I started a thread many years ago about the use of "the" before hospital, school, bar, gym, etc. definite articles 🕸

And that reminds me of the decades-old north vs south conflict in re freeways and highways … they should really install signs on I-5 and Hwy 101 at the point where you change to/from a preceding “the”.

― sarahell, Sunday, 16 February 2025 00:09 (three months ago)

"This is true"

Stop distancing yourself from the subject!!!!

― H.P, Sunday, 16 February 2025 01:31 (three months ago)

I say that all the time! Also "true, that". "It's the truth", less often.

― jazz divorcée (Matt #2), Sunday, 16 February 2025 01:38 (three months ago)

"Dark academia"

― Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 16 February 2025 01:40 (three months ago)

I will totally accept "true that", "true true", "trueeeeeee", "so true", "100%" etc.

It's the "this is". It creates a distance, like they're observing the conversation from the heavens. Get out of here!!!

― H.P, Sunday, 16 February 2025 02:39 (three months ago)

Sorry, "pinned to top

giggled @

― joey crack, aka kaiser saucer (sic), Sunday, 16 February 2025 05:36 (three months ago)

what is “dark academia”???? (afraid to google)

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 16 February 2025 10:52 (three months ago)

Just a preppy aesthetic with an overlay of goth.

Secret History, Lemony Snicket, Harry Potter, the newish Wednesday Addams.

― Leprecan't even (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 16 February 2025 12:01 (three months ago)

the "messy academia" thing is a million times more infuriating to me

― brimstead, Sunday, 16 February 2025 16:48 (three months ago)

I get super annoyed at the "How To Watch [some upcoming TV show]" articles you see on various websites. Don't you just click on the TV and look at it?

― henry s, Sunday, 16 February 2025 17:58 (three months ago)

Definitely Weds Adams mixed with Harry Potter … it’s not preppy in the American sense, but more British. Fabric prints of “esotorica” like moth diagrams, witchy stuff, skulls, snaking plants … I get so many ads for this stuff and it’s kinda depressing how little variety there is in terms of what they consider academia.

― sarahell, Sunday, 16 February 2025 18:38 (three months ago)

I'm all for the architecture/decor though. Fan vaults, spires, tracery, sconces, tapestries

― Leprecan't even (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 16 February 2025 18:41 (three months ago)

Don't forget flying buttresses

― henry s, Sunday, 16 February 2025 18:51 (three months ago)

https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Academia

― jaymc, Sunday, 16 February 2025 19:40 (three months ago)

ILX: Try This Trick Before You ______ -- It's Genius!

― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 1 March 2025 01:51 (two months ago)

i'm still on the email list for my old college radio station, and one of the ppl who works there now signs his emails "Merryness,"

― budo jeru, Friday, 7 March 2025 21:16 (two months ago)

for some reason, 'spend' as a noun is bugging me: 'We need to reduce our hospitality spend'
Just say 'spending,' is that extra syllable really fatiguing or something?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 7 March 2025 21:40 (two months ago)

They can take syllables back by swapping USE with UTILISE.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 7 March 2025 21:42 (two months ago)

xp at this point i've just accepted that, in English at least, verbs are always going to become nouns and nouns are always going to become verbs. some of them we are used to now, some made the change many years before we were born and the hubbub is long gone. but i will never be okay with "gift" as a verb even though i've accepted that nobody seems to agree with me

― budo jeru, Sunday, 9 March 2025 22:08 (two months ago)

i am completely with (bud)u on 'gift'

― mookieproof, Monday, 10 March 2025 01:58 (two months ago)

I also find the verbing of "gift" for "give" to be an ugly development, but even as I cannot excuse it I think I understand why it has taken hold. A gift has a much narrower set of denotations than just any old thing that is given to another, to the point where the common locution was 'I gave it to him as a gift' in order to reap the benefit of that narrowed denotation. I personally don't thing that marginal gain is worth the ugliness of 'I gifted it to him', but vox populi, vox dei in these matters.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 March 2025 02:59 (two months ago)

it's hardly a recent development though, is it

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 10 March 2025 03:34 (two months ago)

I think part of the perceived 'wrongness' of gifted instead of gave is that in all other circumstances the verb 'to give' is irregular but verbing it as 'gifted' treats it as a regular verb.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 March 2025 04:17 (two months ago)

living 'rent free' in your heads

so fucking sick of this

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 14 March 2025 01:34 (two months ago)

When people respond with "yes" to "would you mind if _____", meaning that they actually wouldn't mind and it's all okay with them

― H.P, Friday, 14 March 2025 05:20 (two months ago)

"Promises made, promises kept"

― nashwan, Friday, 14 March 2025 10:45 (two months ago)

When people respond with "yes" to "would you mind if _____", meaning that they actually wouldn't mind and it's all okay with them

I think that this is pretty common and thus pretty innocuous— “mind” is a strange verb, in that its negation in this sense is a positive.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 14 March 2025 14:53 (two months ago)

im struggling to see whether the problem is them saying "yes" correctly in this usage.

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 March 2025 14:56 (two months ago)

someone asks me if i mind something, i say yes, i mean.....pretty clear to me

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 March 2025 14:57 (two months ago)

Eh? Yes you mind means you're fine with it?

― Alba, Friday, 14 March 2025 15:06 (two months ago)

Even more confusing on Scotland where 'to mind' means 'to remember'.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 15:12 (two months ago)

hmm is that akin to when people say things like, "lunch is being served late today, mind you"

― budo jeru, Friday, 14 March 2025 15:35 (two months ago)

i suppose "mind" in that sense means something closer to "FYI"

― budo jeru, Friday, 14 March 2025 15:35 (two months ago)

I resent and oppose the gap

― at your swervice (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 March 2025 15:46 (two months ago)

the correct response to "would you mind if ___" is "yeah, no, for sure"

― budo jeru, Friday, 14 March 2025 15:59 (two months ago)

hmm is that akin to when people say things like, "lunch is being served late today, mind you"

I would assume it's the same. "Mind you" sounds so Shakespearean!

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 16:03 (two months ago)

Eh? Yes you mind means you're fine with it?

― Alba, 14 March 2025 15:06 (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 March 2025 16:04 (two months ago)

and i have no idea where you would have picked up such a meaning tbh

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 March 2025 16:04 (two months ago)

I think because H.P was complaining about people saying "yes" to "would you mind" when they in fact don't mind?

I say "mind you" quite a bit tbh

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 14 March 2025 16:07 (two months ago)

I think darraghmac must have misread H.P.'s post. Either that or I'm taking crazy pills.

― Alba, Friday, 14 March 2025 16:09 (two months ago)

In order to avoid to any confusion, I say, "yes, I would mind" and then I explain where the difficulty lies. But that requires saying more words.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 March 2025 16:09 (two months ago)

the correct response to "would you mind if ___" is "yeah, no, for sure"

OTM

― Alba, Friday, 14 March 2025 16:12 (two months ago)

in social context, a stranger takes you by surprise and asks "do you mind if i take this chair?" i think invokes a quick positive "yes of course". but meaning "yes take the chair" and not "yes i would mind actually".

unless that chair is not available, then it's windmill arms time.

― Ste, Friday, 14 March 2025 16:15 (two months ago)

In that circumstance my first word would never be yes.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 16:17 (two months ago)

... "No, go ahead" would be my likeliest response.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 16:18 (two months ago)

"Promises made, promises kept"

our city had a sign up with this phrase at the site of a new fire station built with a penny sales tax passed by voters for this and other such projects. it really annoys me. promises kept?! you didn't do us a favor. you were legally obligated to spend those funds for those projects.

― andrew m., Friday, 14 March 2025 16:22 (two months ago)

in social context, a stranger takes you by surprise and asks "do you mind if i take this chair?" i think invokes a quick positive "yes of course". but meaning "yes take the chair" and not "yes i would mind actually".

In this situation there is the added factor of whether they are saying "is
this seat taken?" in a noisy and sometimes drunken environment

― Alba, Friday, 14 March 2025 16:36 (two months ago)

maybe i did read hp tbf

im sure they didnt mind, mind

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 14 March 2025 17:18 (two months ago)

The funny part is that if someone asked "do you mind if I take this chair" and you answered with a simple "no" or "no, I don't" it would come across as such a weirdly stone-faced answer that they'd be a little hesitant to take the thing. You're kinda socially required to add some kind of affirmative to it and say "no, go right ahead" or at least a "no, no problem" or whatever. Kinda feels like we've developed this as a workaround for the ambiguity of the whole negative-yes / affirmative-no thing.

― ን (nabisco), Friday, 14 March 2025 19:38 (two months ago)

I'm not sure this annoys the shit out of me

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 14 March 2025 19:39 (two months ago)

The correct response is to lazily indicate the chair with an open hand, adding a hint of wafting it away from you.

― the patron saint of epilepsy and beekeepers (Matt #2), Friday, 14 March 2025 19:43 (two months ago)

The funny part is that if someone asked "do you mind if I take this chair" and you answered with a simple "no" or "no, I don't" it would come across as such a weirdly stone-faced answer that they'd be a little hesitant to take the thing. You're kinda socially required to add some kind of affirmative to it and say "no, go right ahead" or at least a "no, no problem" or whatever. Kinda feels like we've developed this as a workaround for the ambiguity of the whole negative-yes / affirmative-no thing.

American things?

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 19:45 (two months ago)

Oh ignore that, I didn't read the whole post!

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 19:45 (two months ago)

"do you mind if I take this chair?"

I'm... I'm.. I'm saving it for someone! Go AWAY!

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 14 March 2025 19:49 (two months ago)

"Would you mind if I took this chair?"

Eng: No, of course not.
Scot: Mebbe, for a while.

― fetter, Friday, 14 March 2025 20:11 (two months ago)

I definitely would make clear from context which outcome I meant, and what kind of minding.

"Oh please, go right ahead" or "What?! I most certainly WOULD mind, you bastard!"

― at your swervice (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 March 2025 20:54 (two months ago)

As Boaby Gillespie would say, "Ye whit? Get yer ain fuckin' cherr, ya cheeky article ye".

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Friday, 14 March 2025 21:17 (two months ago)

the correct response to "would you mind if ___" is "yeah, no, for sure"

Only correct response

― H.P, Friday, 14 March 2025 22:00 (two months ago)

You do need to negate, ("no") and affirm ("go right ahead") it's true. I don't actually care when someone responds with an affirmative, but I had a conversation with a friend about this who was trying to pull some "living language" shit on me, saying "you just say yes and it's fine, people get what you mean". I ain't buying that. You gotta answer the question someone asked you and not some other, very similar question!

― H.P, Friday, 14 March 2025 22:03 (two months ago)

Okay maybe I do actually care

― H.P, Friday, 14 March 2025 22:03 (two months ago)

Deems read it right. He minds the things he minds and he doesn't mind the things he doesn't mind. All I'm looking for in a fella tbh

― H.P, Friday, 14 March 2025 22:07 (two months ago)

I like to reply "please..." to 'is this chair taken?' and similar questions tho it's funny to think that that could understandably also be taken negatively ("bitch please...")

― nashwan, Friday, 14 March 2025 22:31 (two months ago)

we are cooking now lads

my actual answer to a "do you mind if i take this chair" would in all honesty be a fawning surrender of the chair, an absolute embarrassment of profferment, subsequent seething rage at my own weakness and need to people-please and utter shame at my returning wife having to stand, somewhat confusedly, for the rest of the opera

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2025 00:43 (two months ago)

im kind of a lot

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2025 00:43 (two months ago)

who also had issues with turning away from the salty wife for even a second ofc

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2025 00:44 (two months ago)

was it he or she that turned away, doesnt matter, chair's gone, argue about it in the car on the way home, so shall it be

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2025 00:47 (two months ago)

Apart from that, how was the opera?

― at your swervice (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 March 2025 01:09 (two months ago)

great show, standing room only

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2025 01:18 (two months ago)

Excuse me, is your wife taken?

― Alba, Saturday, 15 March 2025 03:42 (two months ago)

yes, i mean, go right ahead

― budo jeru, Saturday, 15 March 2025 04:30 (two months ago)

Please

― H.P, Saturday, 15 March 2025 04:31 (two months ago)

weve saved you a chair

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2025 09:04 (two months ago)

a cuckstool, even

― Zurich is Starmed (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 March 2025 11:10 (two months ago)

What with the chair being absent, no formal business can be conducted. I move to adjourn, can someone please second the motion to adjourn?

All in favor say aye aye

― at your swervice (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 March 2025 11:32 (two months ago)

If you don't mind

― H.P, Saturday, 15 March 2025 12:09 (two months ago)

book-tok

i can't work out whether it's a bad pun on tik-tok or a bad rhyme

― koogs, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 18:07 (two months ago)

i thought it was a pun on book talk

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 March 2025 18:42 (two months ago)

It's a pun on TookTok, in which Gen Z dance routines set to clips of Points of View

― Alba, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 19:26 (two months ago)

There had already been “bookstagram” so idk that there’s a requirement for it to be any kind of pun or rhyme

― the babality of evil (wins), Tuesday, 18 March 2025 19:28 (two months ago)

"try and" (used in this thread at least 10 times, for shame)

― back from vacation (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 18 March 2025 19:31 (two months ago)

printstagram. just saying.

― koogs, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 19:54 (two months ago)

omg a guy on NPR just say 'adulting,' I thought we'd left that wretched thing behind

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 23:12 (two months ago)

There had already been “bookstagram” so idk that there’s a requirement for it to be any kind of pun or rhyme

right, this was my assumption: appending -tok to a thing just means the corner of tiktok devoted to that thing.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 23:36 (two months ago)

BelaBartokTok

MisterSpockTok

KokTok

― at your swervice (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 March 2025 23:47 (two months ago)

don't forget Car Tok

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 March 2025 07:20 (two months ago)

http://www.tikandtok.com/history_tnt.jpg

> idk that there’s a requirement for it to be any kind of pun or rhyme

the problem is that it's close to both those things. it's the "sort it / sorted" thing again or the "rota / wrote it" thing, it sounds like it should be a thing but it's not, it's just clumsy

― koogs, Wednesday, 19 March 2025 09:48 (two months ago)

Just checked and Bookogs closed down 5 years ago. So that's one less shit name to worry about.

― the patron saint of epilepsy and beekeepers (Matt #2), Wednesday, 19 March 2025 11:09 (two months ago)

bookogs was unforgivable

bibliogs would have been almost as bad but at least it would've been consistent / made sense

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 March 2025 11:42 (two months ago)

There had already been “bookstagram” so idk that there’s a requirement for it to be any kind of pun or rhyme

right, this was my assumption: appending -tok to a thing just means the corner of tiktok devoted to that thing.

― jaymc, Tuesday, March 18, 2025 7:36 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, exactly. It's just the hashtag used on TT when ppl are talking about books which has become the name of that space of the app.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 March 2025 11:46 (two months ago)

"baddy"

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 20 March 2025 12:22 (two months ago)

how about "big bad"

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 20 March 2025 17:19 (two months ago)

Within the last couple months one of my colleagues concluded a meeting with the phrase 'any more for anymore?' (as in, does anyone want to raise any final points). Sort of clever/cutesy the first time I heard it, but now I'm hearing every other meeting and partly I find it grating and partly I find it fascinating how quickly it's become regular office language.

― salsa shark, Thursday, 3 April 2025 10:53 (one month ago)

it’s awful.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 April 2025 12:42 (one month ago)

Didn't bother me at first but I'm increasingly annoyed by adults using the word "crush" to describe a person they are attracted to

― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 3 April 2025 18:55 (one month ago)

A crush is just a lack of sufficient information.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 3 April 2025 19:16 (one month ago)

omg crush is an amazing word

― ivy., Thursday, 3 April 2025 19:17 (one month ago)

I'm trying not to have them anymore because they're too upsetting but I don't have a problem with the word, just the experience.

What do you want people to say instead?

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 3 April 2025 19:18 (one month ago)

my life is crush city.

― Ste, Thursday, 3 April 2025 19:29 (one month ago)

no one says "puppy love" anymore, probably a good thing

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:06 (one month ago)

Sweetheart should come back

― Alba, Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:21 (one month ago)

Heavy petting

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:28 (one month ago)

Sweetheart is fine if you like that kind of thing but implies that the other person returns your affections or is even aware of them in the first place. A crush is better unrequited.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:41 (one month ago)

I'm fairly sure I've never had a single person that I had a crush on like me back which has taught me that it's not safe to tell anyone. Just yearn from afar.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:42 (one month ago)

A crush is just a lack of sufficient information.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, April 3, 2025 2:16 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

truth bomb

― budo jeru, Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:43 (one month ago)

growing up doesn't mean not using the word "crush," but imo it should entail knowing this fundamental truth about infatuation

― budo jeru, Thursday, 3 April 2025 20:45 (one month ago)

A crush is just a lack of sufficient information.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, April 3, 2025 2:16 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I never considered that such a word could have a definition as precise as this and will admit that you have succeeded in making me less annoyed by its usage. I'm not sure that has ever happened on this thread so kudos!

― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 4 April 2025 00:31 (one month ago)

Problematic. It begs an explanation usually not forthcoming. Just call it bad, evil, disgraceful, dishonest, shameful, reprehensible etc. Etc. We've got a lot of good words for definitive value judgements. Problematic is just so vague and hand wavey

― H.P, Friday, 4 April 2025 00:45 (one month ago)

i hate 'problematic.' it's also like.. you know what is problematic, existence itself. nothing is not problematic. except for college apparently.

― glum mum (map), Friday, 4 April 2025 01:06 (one month ago)

“In and of itself” - can we not just say “itself”?

― brimstead, Friday, 4 April 2025 01:22 (one month ago)

Because I like the rhythm of it

― H.P, Friday, 4 April 2025 01:36 (one month ago)

It's like an exclamation point in spoken form. Itself is just a full-stop (boring)

― H.P, Friday, 4 April 2025 01:37 (one month ago)

A crush is just a lack of sufficient information.

i find this horribly sad

― mookieproof, Friday, 4 April 2025 05:25 (one month ago)

Well the use for "problematic" would be explicitly "I am NOT saying this is bad, evil, disgraceful, dishonest, shameful, reprehensible, but rather that I want to discuss aspects of this that are troubling to me without condemning it altogether", but I'll agree that it's almost never used like that anymore.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 4 April 2025 10:17 (one month ago)

Back when I had such things as crushes, I reflected that they are named appropriately for how they feel: crushing. Our language about these things is apt; it is melodramatic and a bit cringey to fit emotions that are themselves a bit over the top.

If you are cool and collected and aloof and can keep your dignity intact, yr doing adolescent love rong. But that's the time for it.

There was a related word: scope.

A scope was someone you admired from afar - around school or campus or town - but did not know socially and dared not speak to. A crush otoh is usually someone in your circle.

I agree that sometimes you may be better off not meeting your scope or consummating your crush. I have both, and in both cases the private unrealized longing, the unscaled summit, was preferable to what happened.

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 April 2025 11:58 (one month ago)

* have done both

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 April 2025 11:59 (one month ago)

Daniel otm

― sarahell, Friday, 4 April 2025 13:12 (one month ago)

I use "problematic" at work all the time because I work in a massive, red-tape laden bureaucracy and often when someone asks me if I can do some task for them "it's problematic" is the best answer. Because they're thinking I just need to look up a couple rules in the policy book that pertain to their request and say yes or no, when really the answer is more of an estimate of success based on a lot of irrational actors (including myself).

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Friday, 4 April 2025 13:37 (one month ago)

“problematic” is a noun obv

i would probably say “it’s tricky” when there are a lot of dependencies on unreliable people

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 4 April 2025 17:57 (one month ago)

It's problematic to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's problematic.

― Alba, Friday, 4 April 2025 18:39 (one month ago)

Problematic for the People

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 5 April 2025 10:35 (one month ago)

"content", "inspo", "influencer", all that stuff

why aren't normal regular citizens as disgusted by these as i am? i dunno, maybe they are

― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Monday, 7 April 2025 22:10 (one month ago)

^^^ hate all of that

― visiting, Monday, 7 April 2025 22:21 (one month ago)

there's a sense that it's a losing battle, no matter how much you hate it, if you are doing any kind of work that involves a level of self-promotion, you are pretty much forced to buy into this stuff

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Monday, 7 April 2025 22:23 (one month ago)

Calling what someone’s wearing a FIT. As in, outfit. Since we’re on influencer parlance.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Monday, 7 April 2025 22:30 (one month ago)

'Content creator' is the one that cracks me up, like there's this yawning void that needs to be filled with something, not necessarily finished, thoughtful artwork or poetry or opinion pieces, but maybe just a knitting vacation video or a review of an innovative water bottle.. nature abhors a vacuum

Oh, also people calling themselves 'creatives' = barf

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 7 April 2025 22:36 (one month ago)

“The creative as problematic” must already have been written by now

― sarahell, Monday, 7 April 2025 22:41 (one month ago)

hello i'm a queer rag doll, i creative tiktok inspo, did you know that doja cat is actually really problematic.

― glum mum (map), Monday, 7 April 2025 22:50 (one month ago)

'inspo' is the one that makes me mad. it reminds me of that sunny delight commercial ("purple stuff") where the kid calls it 'sunny d'. way to big hoos-ify a beautiful word, inspiration, you flat-brained computer stools.

― glum mum (map), Monday, 7 April 2025 22:55 (one month ago)

xp hello do you do any ASMR vacay jewelry unboxing?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 7 April 2025 22:55 (one month ago)

and you thought Brown vs. Board of Education was big?

An influencer is suing another influencer for copying her “aesthetic” in photos and videos on social media — in a case that may upend how copyright protections work in the content creation industry.

Texas-based influencer Sydney Nicole Gifford filed a first-of-its-kind copyright lawsuit against fellow content creator Alyssa Sheil accusing her of stealing her “neutral, beige, and cream aesthetic.

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 7 April 2025 22:59 (one month ago)

It's giving vibe

Let's do a collab

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 00:21 (one month ago)

“Lambaste” makes my skin crawl. Particularly the trailing “e”.

― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 02:02 (one month ago)

It's the antonym of "Namaste" and pronounced the same.

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 02:07 (one month ago)

you can baste a lamb in water but you

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 02:13 (one month ago)

Isn't it any different from "lambast"?

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 06:32 (one month ago)

with more bombaste

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 06:43 (one month ago)

"you pays your money, you takes your choice"

― dogs, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 09:53 (one month ago)

chances surely. you takes your chances.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 10:07 (one month ago)

I've heard both but "choice" seems far more common to me.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 10:25 (one month ago)

both horrible but i've heard choice more - either way, "pays" and "takes" are like slowly tearing a ball of cotton wool right in front of my astonished face

― dogs, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 10:39 (one month ago)

huh I guess so!

https://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/28/magazine/on-language-you-pays-yer-money.html

if it helps you can imagine a leering james cagney type character saying it while chomping on a "stogie"

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 10:42 (one month ago)

Calling what someone’s wearing a FIT. As in, outfit. Since we’re on influencer parlance.

This is just a generational, isn’t it? My kids say “fit“ and they are definitely not influencers. I’m in a music fest FB group and the kids in there all talk about their fest fits.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 12:47 (one month ago)

(Pardon the stray “a” there)

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 12:47 (one month ago)

the kids in there all talk about their fest fit

Rennies call it garb!

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 13:53 (one month ago)

Fit is lovely imo.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 13:57 (one month ago)

that's what I drive

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 14:00 (one month ago)

chances surely. you takes your chances.

I'm with Tracer on this. I'm not sure it really means anything with choice

― Alba, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 14:05 (one month ago)

I mean, with chances it means caveat emptor. Is it supposed to mean something else with choice cause if not it seems a lot less clear

― Alba, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 14:07 (one month ago)

i've only ever heard choice, i take it to mean exactly the same. you take your choice out of the many available and deal with it (▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)

― constant gravy (ledge), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 14:19 (one month ago)

my boss walked in to the office and literally said "nice fit" to me about five minutes ago!

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 14:52 (one month ago)

my boss walked in to the office and literally said "nice fit" to me about five minutes ago!

I don't know your boss, but I imagine this could be interpreted as creepy as well

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:09 (one month ago)

nah it was just a compliment because I'm wearing cool shoes

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:17 (one month ago)

My issue with fit is that it is too easily confused with fit in the other sense which is also about clothes.

Nice cut, nice drape, fit and finish, how something fits. A tight fit, a loose fit.

Old: this shirt has a good fit.

New: this shirt is part of a nice 'fit.

Cue Happy Mondays

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:17 (one month ago)

look how overloaded set, run, go, and take are and most people never even think about it

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:24 (one month ago)

xp i agree with you. i also think it's why i would never tell a coworker they had a nice "fit." there's a big difference between "i like that outfit" and "i like how that outfit emphasizes the shape of your body"

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:25 (one month ago)

shortening "outfit" to "fit" makes so much sense that I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner

― jaymc, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:25 (one month ago)

like it's comical how much concern people have for new coinages like this when we have about four billion phrasal verbs in English that go totally unremarked upon

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:29 (one month ago)

‘Outfit’ is already déclassé (few words sound worse in a strong Minnesota accent). If I like what Simeon’s wearing, I compliment the item.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:30 (one month ago)

I’m just going to use Polari and tell everyone they have bona drag.

― Crack's Addition (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:33 (one month ago)

last three posts incomprehensible to me

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:44 (one month ago)

i don't have "concern" for coinages or phrasal verbs or anything other than that i don't want the words i use to directly or indirectly refer to somebody else's body, i don't see the problem

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 15:47 (one month ago)

Simeon = someone. Autocorrect has an arse to grab things from, it seems.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 16:00 (one month ago)

he did have great fits fwiw

https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/7395/cover_334543152018_r.jpg

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 16:03 (one month ago)

wasn't a comment specifically about you budo, just the general long-term tenor of this thread that I like to grouse about as a linguist

clarity and concinnity are popular ideals of human language but I prefer to be explicit about the goals we see in actual usage, when something new gets dinged for causing confusion I'm likely to pop up to say that confusion is a feature, not a bug. people like ambiguity, they like subtlety, they like wordplay, and they especially like it when not everyone in the room can understand what they're saying. instructions for industrial machinery should be concise and clear. everyday sociocultural exchange needs to be messy and chaotic.

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 16:22 (one month ago)

agree with all that and will simply add one more thing that people like and have always liked: to complain about annoying words, usages and phrases

i can assure you from my end that i love the variety of english and the ingenuity that all kinds of people bring to it. part of the fun imo is that sometimes it's genius, sometimes it's fun, and sometimes it's icky, and we will never all agree on what is what (altho i am almost always correct about these things)

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 16:37 (one month ago)

I hear and respect you f. hazel; thank you for your service.

look how overloaded set, run, go, and take are and most people never even think about it

See my problem is that I do think about it.

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 8 April 2025 16:39 (one month ago)

he did have great fits fwiw

https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/7395/cover_334543152018_r.jpg

― budo jeru, Tuesday, April 8, 2025 11:03 AM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Danny's shirt is even better - I would wear that!

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 April 2025 16:44 (one month ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1o_ChABlw

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 09:23 (one month ago)

"This is your reminder..."

I don't get annoyed by words and phrases very often, but the ones that grate are the ones that start off as something fairly cute and original that someone uses online but quickly gets copied, overused and turned into a stock phrase that doesn't really mean anything much (like all those TikTok videos labeled POV and they're not even POV).

"This is your reminder..." is really starting to rub me up the wrong way because often it precedes a statement that is haughty or supercilious but dressed as a humblebrag. And it's rarely actually a reminder, it's an opinion

― DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 10:17 (one month ago)

It's usually a friendly reminder too and it's never actually friendly.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 10:32 (one month ago)

yes - it's always a bit condescending or really rather niche and pointed

― DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 10:58 (one month ago)

Don't make me piss on their "this is your reminder" sign

― Alba, Wednesday, 9 April 2025 11:04 (one month ago)

you rizz your money and you fit your chances

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 11:18 (one month ago)

https://www.pokemon.com/static-assets/content-assets/cms2/img/pokedex/full/113.png

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 11:19 (one month ago)

This is related to my theory that the employment of the word “kindly” is almost always anything but. I had a boss once who was always asking me to “kindly” do things she thought I should done sooner and by the third or fourth time I was like ok I see what you’re doing and it’s not working.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 16:42 (one month ago)

I hate 'meal deal' y'all

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 9 April 2025 16:51 (one month ago)

14-16yr old kids in the UK are ob-SESSED with meal deals. I've been asked all kinds of daft questions by roomfuls of students, but never has my answer been more patiently, reverentially received or mercilessly picked apart than my answer to the question 'what's your meal deal choice, sir?'.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 17:42 (one month ago)

anything glow-related or adjacent. i don’t know quite what that shit is about or how it started but it has guaranteed “fuck-off” content ime.

― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 19:01 (one month ago)

lol oh to be a kid again capable of feelings of wonder towards the combination of a sandwich, drink and small packet of crisps

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 19:10 (one month ago)

i hope i live to see the death of smug internet cunt stuff like "i don't know who needs to hear this but...", "louder for the people in the back", "nice try", "i'll wait", "sorry not sorry", "make it make sense", "tell me you (something) without telling me you (something)", but i know i won't

― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Thursday, 10 April 2025 08:21 (one month ago)

"unalive"

― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Thursday, 10 April 2025 08:21 (one month ago)

"i don't know who needs to hear this but...", "louder for the people in the back", "nice try", "i'll wait", "sorry not sorry", "make it make sense", "tell me you (something) without telling me you (something)"

What's the best X and why is it Y

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 09:41 (one month ago)

unalive them all & let god sort tjem out

― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Thursday, 10 April 2025 09:51 (one month ago)

foghat otm

"let that sink in" also

― DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 10:50 (one month ago)

lol oh to be a kid again capable of feelings of wonder towards the combination of a sandwich, drink and small packet of crisps

I'm ready for the ilxors in their 40s thread and I still have feelings of wonder about it, namely how do the margins work? £3 meal deal when you can include a smoothie with a £2.60 rrp on its own - how does it stack up? presumably they bank on most people choosing the cheapest combo rather than the pricier per item combos

Wrong thread I know I know

― salsa shark, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:34 (one month ago)

Sandwiches are a lucrative business (I mean, you're paying up to a fiver for two bits of cheap bread, a thin bits of salad, and a smattering of protein). most smoothies are, like 85% apple juice anyway - they're massively overpriced and I'm sure Innocent aren't short of a few bob. Then what do you have, some fruit or a mini Pepperami? The plastic packaging they come in is probably worth more than the contents. But for customers they feel like they're getting an amazing deal due to the value of getting all this stuff for roughly £3.50

― DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:44 (one month ago)

Where do you get £3 meal deals?

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:03 (one month ago)

till quite recenlty they were £3.40 for clubcard members (according to the innanet)

― DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:11 (one month ago)

Ah, Clubcard, the Board 77 of supermarket shopping.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:13 (one month ago)

£3 deal (no card needed) is a standard in Tesco no?

― nashwan, Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:17 (one month ago)

going forward

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:38 AM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Why would anyone say this when they could say 'henceforward'

― prog is the sound of the suburbs (Matt #2), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:17 (one month ago)

(xp) It's four quid.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:18 (one month ago)

lol right, 3 years since I last bought the then £3 one I realise

― nashwan, Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:19 (one month ago)

"From now on" is more colloquial than "henceforward" and less jargonic than "going forward"

But "from now on" is also stronger and implies a break with the past

"Looking forward" has a more genial and positive tone than any of these

In some situations I will echo Mabel from Pirates of Penzance and vow to lead a blameless life evermore.

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:29 (one month ago)

meal deals would be good if the sandwiches weren't all stale and flavourless, but no way to avoid that I guess. I did once try to go through all the sandwiches in Tesco but lost the will to live after trying six. oh and there's like pasta salad etc. but that's just always bad.

― zoloft keeps liftin' me (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:35 (one month ago)

"henceforth" ftw

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:35 (one month ago)

Agreed on "henceforth" but, read the frickin room first

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:53 (one month ago)

Deli Style Cheese & Pickle sandwich is pretty tasty!

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:00 (one month ago)

I’ve never bought a meal deal in my life. I cringe at using the word ‘meal’ in everyday conversation - it suggests filling a gap with crap, and a really boring/mechanical approach to consumption.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:09 (one month ago)

what if it was a happy meal?

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:17 (one month ago)

I bought a sandwich somewhere random--like just a gas station/rest stop in Portugal? or Spain? and it was gourmet bistro quality compared to what you could get in the US even in a Manhattan lunch cafe, much less a roadside hot dog counter. Impressive.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:35 (one month ago)

I’ve never bought a meal deal in my life. I cringe at using the word ‘meal’ in everyday conversation - it suggests filling a gap with crap, and a really boring/mechanical approach to consumption

Pretty much describes my relationship to food.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:41 (one month ago)

Rest stops in Europe have great food. There’s really nice steak frites with Béarnaise sauce at most of them.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:44 (one month ago)

I find combo encroachment tiresome, and often resist meal deals out of pure spite. Just to be contrary.

But at least I mostly get asked whether I want the deal or not. I am grouchy about fast food establishments that treat combos as the default.

What's odd is that my preference shifts going up the scale. In a very fancy restaurant, the sides tend to be the tiebreaker. If I can't decide between two entrees, suddenly the accompanying vegetable becomes of paramount importance.

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 13:49 (one month ago)

“Jargonic”
lol

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 April 2025 14:03 (one month ago)

It's like rain on your wedding day

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 April 2025 14:26 (one month ago)

"louder for the people in the back"

i used this recently on an ilx thread! did not realize that some people interpret this as smug, nor does it strike me as particularly internet-y. to me it just means "yes, absolutely!"

― budo jeru, Thursday, 10 April 2025 15:04 (one month ago)

Rest stops in Europe have great food

the 7-11s in Sweden are pretty kick-ass as well

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:26 (one month ago)

I'm fine with meal, but probably because in Ireland a sort of slang or casual way of describing a meal would be a "feed", as in "that was a fine feed" or whatever. It isn't omnipresent or said every time a meal is referred to, but a friend and I have often laughed about how agricultural and gross it is.

― LocalGarda, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:30 (one month ago)

Meal to me is just the word for sitting down and eating, unless you want to say repast or some other Samuel Pickwick shit

― LocalGarda, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:31 (one month ago)

I had the reverse experience - got a sandwich at an airport in the US and was truly astonished at how terrible it was.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:33 (one month ago)

"I will now partake of my evening victuals"

*monocle falls into soup*

"nooooooooo"

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:34 (one month ago)

sounds like 'meal deal' means something slightly different in the UK, a sandwich combo from Tesco's

Here in the US it's like 'five Enchiritos Deluxe with Apple Strudel Cinammon Chalupas and any size drink for just $4.99 while supplies last, 24/7'

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:50 (one month ago)

I guess ‘meal’ sounds mealy to me.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:53 (one month ago)

Mealworm Dealworm

― Alba, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:57 (one month ago)

Mealworm Dealworm

― Alba, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:57 (one month ago)

So good they named it twice

― Alba, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:57 (one month ago)

(xps) No, meal deal means that here too but additionally supermarkets exploit the harried office worker market with their own version of meal deals.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:59 (one month ago)

Hard to think of anything less inspiring to the tastebuds than the sight of the Tesco sandwich fridge

― prog is the sound of the suburbs (Matt #2), Thursday, 10 April 2025 18:21 (one month ago)

I had the reverse experience - got a sandwich at an airport in the US and was truly astonished at how terrible it was.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, April 10, 2025 5:33 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

And it was probably $20.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 10 April 2025 18:39 (one month ago)

My only problem with meal deals is as a pre-diabetic I am not going to get the soda, so I always have to awkwardly explain that … idk totally un-annoyed by meal deal.

― sarahell, Thursday, 10 April 2025 19:27 (one month ago)

apropos meal deals: brett domino's "lunchtime lover"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXnkAVxOZA

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 10 April 2025 20:23 (one month ago)

Irish filling station food, specifically chicken fillet rolls and their derivatives/variants, is pretty elite but I cannot say I’ve ever seen steak frites on sale there.

― triste et cassé (gyac), Friday, 11 April 2025 10:16 (one month ago)

many many xposts but jfc the words “creative” or “creatives” make me want to punch people in the face.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 13 April 2025 15:11 (one month ago)

Every day I get a couple of emails to do with the podcast and they all prominently feature the words "creatives" "content" and "monetize" and have no relevance at all to the thing I make.

― zoloft keeps liftin' me (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 13 April 2025 15:18 (one month ago)

i do find some uses of “creative” as a personality type rather useful— non-commercial sense

― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Sunday, 13 April 2025 15:47 (one month ago)

i find it execrable and reductive

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 13 April 2025 22:14 (one month ago)

Does this type of usage come out of advertising? A friend of mine interned and then worked in advertising in nyc in the 80s and that was the first time i heard it used as a commercial class.

― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Sunday, 13 April 2025 23:10 (one month ago)

OED:

A creative person, a person whose job involves creative work; (Advertising) a person who carries out creative work on an advertising campaign, esp. a copywriter, art director, or designer.

1938
Life..is our best novelist and our best biographer... Only it does not write them [sc. novels and biographies]—except and perforce..through one of its creations or creatives.
T. Dreiser in W. S. Maugham, Of Human Bondage (new edition) vol. I. p. v

1965
May not teachers be thought of as creatives manqué rather than failed doers?
Listener 20 May 747/1

1970
The media used will be those that ‘creatives’ consider their own.
New Yorker 12 September 29/2 (advertisement)

1989
Planners write the brief on screen, creatives read it, then visualise and copywrite on one of the various enhanced computer graphics systems.
Campaign 21 April 5/3

2000
Could you send a portfolio over, a client list and such?.. And could you tell me the name of the head creative? Thank you.
M. Johnson, Drop iii. 160

― jaymc, Sunday, 13 April 2025 23:47 (one month ago)

Here's the 1970 ad:

https://i.imgur.com/TetzCiT.png

― jaymc, Sunday, 13 April 2025 23:51 (one month ago)

May not teachers be thought of as creatives manqué rather than failed doers?

so many amazing things to hate about this sentence

― budo jeru, Monday, 14 April 2025 00:51 (one month ago)

Maybe I'll get into Doonesbury

https://arnoldzwicky.org/2023/02/05/dont-call-me-a-creative/

― Alba, Monday, 14 April 2025 14:55 (one month ago)

I mean, my job title is usually referred to as a "Creative". It is a job and also the noun for what I write and produce

― DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Monday, 14 April 2025 15:11 (one month ago)

when I undertake creative tasks at my job which are outside of my official responsibilities, I make the people requesting my help call me a wizard.

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 14 April 2025 15:14 (one month ago)

In 1994ish magazine publishing, "creative" sometimes meant "as opposed to business/sales." It meant the stuff on the page, like words and pictures. Not the people, yet.

"Is the creative ready?" Jargony and clunky but not insulting. "We have the best creative."

Similar to how folks sometimes spoke of "editorial" as a noun meaning editorial content, as in news/feature reporting, not advertising. "We have the best editorial."

(There is a separate meaning of "editorial" for an unsigned opinion piece. The word op-ed comes from "opposite editorial," meaning a signed opinion piece or column, originally printed on a facing page. The op- in op-ed does not mean opinion.)

Anyway I did not hear "creative" used to mean a person employed in a creative field until 1999 or 2000. This tracks with what was going on in marketing, advertising, and PR at the time.

Graphics people (then as now) hated just being asked to "make it pretty"; they wanted to be present during research and brainstorming, to help shape campaigns. This was and is a good thing.

Further, graphic designers, writers, and editors were increasingly joined by web and video and audio personnel. Using "creatives" for this group of people must have seemed like useful shorthand.

It meant, and still means, "as opposed to business/sales people," but in my world roles have blurred beyond recognition. Everybody creates and everybody is expected to sell (or at least pretend to care about selling).

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 April 2025 15:21 (one month ago)

In magazine journalism, the term ‘editorial’ means everybody above the line on the masthead; ‘an editorial’ has for at least three decades been termed ‘thinkpiece’ in that setting (I dislike this and sometimes entertain colleagues by saying THINK PIECE in a cave dweller voice).

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Monday, 14 April 2025 15:40 (one month ago)

Similar to how folks sometimes spoke of "editorial" as a noun meaning editorial content, as in news/feature reporting, not advertising. "We have the best editorial."

Tell it to Kentucky Sen. James Comer, who thought that NPR CEO Katherine Maher's reference in a congressional hearing to "editorial standards" meant standards for editorials.

― jaymc, Monday, 14 April 2025 15:52 (one month ago)

I had someone call me an elitist snob for wanting to define an artist separately from a “creative” …

― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 April 2025 00:44 (one month ago)

*archie voice*
well i find use of the word artist annoying because i’m tellin’ you, i know art, and you and she and he and— all of yous you ain’t doin art

jk i don’t know art for shit obv

― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 15 April 2025 01:58 (one month ago)

Basically it’s, as they say, fraught. Art does plenty of gatekeeping, and I have observed artists who have been on the outside of that gatekeeping choose to refer to themselves as “creatives” because it’s a more inclusive term. Otoh when the context is valuing the arts from a labor perspective, it kinda makes things blurry and messy … like someone who is a “creative” in advertising isn’t in the same category as a classical musician. And there are also a significant number of people who pay the bills as a “creative” but are also “serious” artists…

― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 April 2025 13:06 (one month ago)

Yup i get it and agree.

The more i think about the issue the more i like the topic, though it surely must be one that has like, a library of Alexandria scale of discussion over the millenia. I just haven’t worried about it too much.

Now i’m like, “we should take back ‘creative,’” because by observation i do think it is character trait and instinct and should not be owned by commerce.
Follow up- ‘what should be owned by commerce?’

― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 15 April 2025 13:34 (one month ago)

my issue with it isn't in a professional context like YMP explains

my issue with it is with people who use it in their personal lives as if it makes them some special class of human being. we are all creative and we all need to express ourselves!

same thing applies to foodie ... it's just kind of like, doesn't everybody like food? but somehow liking food is your personality? lol

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 15 April 2025 15:14 (one month ago)

Foodie is a good one. I cook a lot and have specific tastes but I don't follow the restaurant or "food world" in the sense of caring what's being done by whom in a particular moment, which I think to me is part of what defines a "foodie." Everyone eats (although some people are actively uninterested in food and just subsist, I'm told) but plenty of people don't have time or brain space invested in learning about new things or new people making food differently somehow.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 15 April 2025 16:38 (one month ago)

foodie seems useful to me, I've got friends who when we are choosing a restaurant will reliably want to try something new, whereas my ideal restaurant experience is to go to my favorite places and order the same things over and over... they are foodies, I am not, we both love eating

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 15 April 2025 17:47 (one month ago)

so embarrassing to say out loud though

― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Tuesday, 15 April 2025 18:00 (one month ago)

Otoh when the context is valuing the arts from a labor perspective, it kinda makes things blurry and messy … like someone who is a “creative” in advertising isn’t in the same category as a classical musician. And there are also a significant number of people who pay the bills as a “creative” but are also “serious” artists…

Yes 100% otm, sarahell. The distinction of "creativity over here, all that icky selling business over there is further blurred because most creative professionals have to be involved in marketing/promoting/ networking/branding.

My mother's a classical musician and probably spends a third of her time on fundraising, partnerships, grants, and promotion.

― I pity the foo fighter (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 April 2025 18:04 (one month ago)

Yeah I think I am kinda like i.o. … I am a cheese snob and am selective about other food things that align with a “foodie”, and i like to cook but I am definitely not attentive to the new exciting restaurants or recipe trends, except for just casual observation

― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 April 2025 18:05 (one month ago)

thanks Sarahell for articulating what makes it so icky to me. i literally unfollow fellow writers who use it on social media, even if they’re friends— just shows me that they’re not interested in writing, but in selling.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 16 April 2025 11:28 (one month ago)

As an artist I do not personally like the term "creative" and do not want it applied to me as a noun. I've always liked the word "artist" and I'm proud of that word but I assumed this was me being cranky and old.

I would never think to call myself a "foodie" and I would be suspect of someone that did. But there's a clear difference between me and my mom. My mom will not try new ingredients or figure out how to do new things in the kitchen. If a friend gives her a nice ingredient that she doesn't know how to use (a bottle of balsamic vinegar) she gives it to me. She does well with her skills but she is uncurious about what is beyond that. If I get an ingredient that I don't know how to use I'll play with it and figure it out and try to incorporate it in things. There's probably a class thing in there too. A difference between feeding your family to get by and having the time/luxury to explore new things.

― Cow_Art, Wednesday, 16 April 2025 12:01 (one month ago)

I mean, I make part of my living because of my art— I wouldn’t be able to teach university-level classes on writing if I wasn’t a known quantity as a writer— but I really bristle at what I view is the instrumentalization inherent in the word “creative.” I do not exist to create value, and neither does the writing I make.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 16 April 2025 12:32 (one month ago)

and there is an assumption from a large portion of people doing similar endeavors that the entire purpose is creating value and generating clicks, which is not helpful

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 April 2025 14:54 (one month ago)

Xp don’t get me started on “creating value” … I have heard people who work for arts nonprofits use that phrase in internal meetings and I felt like asking, “why do you work for an arts service org?” … idk at least try code switching and only use that phrase when asking for money.

― sarahell, Thursday, 17 April 2025 21:26 (one month ago)

That’s wafted over from marketing/publicity.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 17 April 2025 21:48 (one month ago)

It’s wafted over from corporate biz dev

― sarahell, Thursday, 17 April 2025 22:31 (one month ago)

when someone says "do you know what i hate?" it is a signal that i need to get out of the conversation

― z_tbd, Thursday, 24 April 2025 18:54 (one month ago)

two weeks pass...

Professional webinar today could have won most annoying words bingo: Learnings, creatives, and many more

― sarahell, Friday, 9 May 2025 01:22 (two weeks ago)

and webinar

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 9 May 2025 01:33 (two weeks ago)

"ruleset"

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 21:38 (one week ago)

it's just rules innit

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 21:38 (one week ago)

This is related to my problem with pathway …

― sarahell, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 21:40 (one week ago)

lol

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 23:25 (one week ago)

"space" meaning, like, "sector" or "market". i had a virtual chat with some mid-level management psycho from the dept of transportation a few months ago and he kept saying that word. he also used the word "win" a lot - as in "we definitely documented our work in that space and it was a win". (because if you don't document your wins are you even winning?) this dude's background was like this dark digital panel board or something with fluorescent green highlights, very "hacker" or "matrix" or something. he dropped the meeting invite on my calendar unannounced and i tried over and over to get him to tell me what the hell he needed from me for literally 20 fucking minutes before i got frustrated from talking in circles and he said "this isn't going anywhere" and ended the call. yeah no shit sherlock. his dumb bitch ass complained to my supervisor and i got a talking to about it (3 months later because she's incapable of bringing anything up in a timely fashion.) wow i did not mean to turn this into an extended work rant. anyway, fuck that guy and his "spaces" and "wins," i'd like to document a win by shoving his head in the toilet space tbqh.

― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 14 May 2025 23:59 (one week ago)

hey chump can you validate the value of my foot up your ass

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 15 May 2025 00:10 (one week ago)

Ugh … I hear this a lot from other people who work in management roles at nonprofits (where everyone appears to be a manager unless they are a director, which is more prestigious than a manager… but I get the feeling that directors are actually what I would call managers, and managers are basically assistant managers or secretaries to managers, because they don’t seem to have much power.) … it is sometimes difficult to cognitively reconcile the social justice mission with the cringe corporate jargon.

― sarahell, Thursday, 15 May 2025 00:41 (one week ago)

hey chump can you validate the value of my foot up your ass

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, May 15, 2025 1:10 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeahhh that's right, my buddy tracer hand here is going to "circle back" with a boot in your bazooty!

― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Thursday, 15 May 2025 00:48 (one week ago)

I've noticed a low-level competition among some of the managers at my nonprofit to have the freshest, newest gobblygook tech/business jargon, probably learned at a conference they just attended

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 May 2025 00:55 (one week ago)

"understood the assignment". I see less of it these days thankfully but jesus fucking christ people on the internet like to just hammer a phrase to fucking death

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 15 May 2025 19:59 (one week ago)

I'll add "and I'm here for it"

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 15 May 2025 19:59 (one week ago)

Was "I understood the assignment" existing slang before the song came out?

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 15 May 2025 20:33 (one week ago)

60 years of baseball history as described by a generic 2025 TV play-by-play announcer:

Oct. 3, 1951 - "Thomson swings...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"
Oct. 16, 1969 - "Fly ball to Jones...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"
Oct. 13, 1970 - "Robinson dives to his left...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"
Oct. 21, 1975 - "Fisk hits a towering fly...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"
Oct. 18, 1977 - "Another long drive from Jackson...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"
Oct. 25, 1986 - "Ground ball to Buckner...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

(skipping forward)

May 14, 2025 - "Abreau leaps...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"

― clemenza, Thursday, 15 May 2025 20:54 (one week ago)

'budtender'

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 May 2025 22:31 (one week ago)

we could make a move to “weedista”

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 15 May 2025 23:47 (one week ago)

graçon

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 May 2025 23:49 (one week ago)

Ganjartiste

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 May 2025 00:06 (one week ago)

I recall my mother getting very annoyed with a character on a soap opera who always said "are you kidding me?" in the 80's, because she felt the "me" was superfluous to the statement, that it was sufficient to only say "are you kidding?" and I think about that every time I hear someone say "are you kidding me?"

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 16 May 2025 00:24 (one week ago)

don’t kid yourself

― budo jeru, Friday, 16 May 2025 01:10 (one week ago)

Was "I understood the assignment" existing slang before the song came out?

I was unaware of a song. Do you mean the one by Tay Money, which was released in 2021? If so, the phrase does predate the song. Urban Dictionary has an entry from 2019. I also see a few tweets from 2018 related to the Met Gala that year, although it's hard to say whether those count because there is a literal assignment in the form of a theme. But maybe that's where you start to see it get a little more metaphorical. I also would not be surprised if Drag Race helped popularize it.

― jaymc, Friday, 16 May 2025 01:14 (one week ago)

60 years of baseball history as described by a generic 2025 TV play-by-play announcer

Lol. I am also annoyed by the Yoda-speak of all baseball announcers: 'Sliding into second is Ramirez', 'Scoring is Jones' etc.

― Sam Weller, Friday, 16 May 2025 12:08 (one week ago)

Will Flemming has a twist on that - “he’s dotting those corners, is Skubal” or “and he dives safely back to first, does Narvaez” but i’ve come to have affection for it. maybe because it comes in quieter moments and suits a kind of storytelling, lackadaisical pace

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 May 2025 12:13 (one week ago)

i suspect both habits might initially have been borne by the necessity to narrate the play immediately but not always having every player’s name top of mind, and so tacking it on at the end

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 May 2025 12:15 (one week ago)

I've noticed a low-level competition among some of the managers at my nonprofit to have the freshest, newest gobblygook tech/business jargon, probably learned at a conference they just attended

Yes… I have observed this too! Last year, this one guy was all about “adding value” … I am sure he has moved on to a fresher phrase. I am lowkey looking forward to a stakeholders meeting just to see what this year’s jargon is!

― sarahell, Friday, 16 May 2025 12:36 (one week ago)

for some reason people talking about "the gods" ("up in the gods") about theatre seating annoys the shit out of me

― conrad, Friday, 16 May 2025 13:03 (one week ago)

There is a grammatical tic of sportscasters that is leaking into general use and I don't think I approve (speaking as old man wearing an onion on his belt).

Like "y'know Bob, I bet Arturo Gonzalez makes that catch."

Not to say that Gonzalez is doing so, not that he has done so, but that if Gonzalez had been playing, he would have made it.

Or, "one less twisted ankle, the Lakers win that game." Meaning they would have won in the imaginary universe characterized by the conditions the speaker wishes to discuss.

I think it's "sports present conditional" or "present unreal conditional," but I am too rusty on terms to analyze it well.

Seems to mostly just be a crusade against would/would have as markers of the counterfactual or conditional.

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 May 2025 13:18 (one week ago)

fans have always talked about imaginary outcomes that suited them better than whatever happened or is happening in the game. sportscasters are just mirroring their wishful thinking back to them as a way to make themselves more relatable.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 May 2025 18:33 (one week ago)

Lol. I am also annoyed by the Yoda-speak of all baseball announcers: 'Sliding into second is Ramirez', 'Scoring is Jones' etc.

I call this 'yearbook speak' because every HS yearbook I had this is how they decided to write the captions

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 16 May 2025 18:53 (one week ago)

fans have always talked about imaginary outcomes that suited them better than whatever happened or is happening in the game

Yes but not insulting that specific way.

"If they can get two more yards here they win" is, I believe, different from "If they can get two more yards here are likely to win"

And both are different from "had they gotten two more yards here, they would have won" or "things would have been different had things been different.

Collapsing hypotheticals into a flat present-tense "they win" irks me.

If-Jesus-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 May 2025 20:40 (one week ago)

* not IN that specific way. My text suggest thingy is haywire

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 May 2025 20:41 (one week ago)

the word “win” itself should be binned at this point, along with the word “binned” when used by usa people.

― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Friday, 16 May 2025 22:57 (one week ago)

Clearly American sportscasters need to read up on top sportbloke Mr McNulty.

― sarahell, Saturday, 17 May 2025 01:27 (one week ago)

there's another slightly more obscure meaning to 'win' that is kind of lost now - to arrive at your destination.

number 5 here
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/win

― koogs, Saturday, 17 May 2025 08:09 (one week ago)

Passion project

― Alba, Saturday, 17 May 2025 12:56 (one week ago)

What am I supposed to call it when I spend hours on woodwork and then nail a guy to it

― the babality of evil (wins), Saturday, 17 May 2025 13:03 (one week ago)

An exception will be made

― Alba, Saturday, 17 May 2025 13:05 (one week ago)

I feel like passion project is usually used with irony or outright condescension

― conrad, Saturday, 17 May 2025 13:14 (one week ago)

but perhaps that's why it annoys the shit out of you

― conrad, Saturday, 17 May 2025 13:15 (one week ago)

What am I supposed to call it when I spend hours on woodwork and then nail a guy to it

#NailedIt

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 17 May 2025 13:42 (one week ago)

I feel like passion project is usually used with irony or outright condescension

I think you move in more ironic circles than me

― Alba, Saturday, 17 May 2025 13:55 (one week ago)

I get irrationally angered by the phrase "I didn't have that on my bingo card." An anger that, to be honest, I did not have on my bingo card.

― henry s, Saturday, 17 May 2025 18:45 (one week ago)

Good one--started noticing that a few months ago.

― clemenza, Saturday, 17 May 2025 18:53 (one week ago)

That's been around forever but definitely has ramped up in recent years. My objection to it is conceptual: It suggests that a "bingo card" is something where you log events that you expect, as the statement always refers to something you didn't expect. But Bingo cards are not filled out by players, they are given to players already filled out. It's a game of chance. So the ostensible metaphor or analogy doesn't work.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 May 2025 18:59 (one week ago)

I assume this is driven by the prevalence of things like Oscars bingo or whatever

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Saturday, 17 May 2025 19:06 (one week ago)

xp i think that's the point. for instance, at summer camp you might have a bingo card with entries like, "saw a bald eagle," "tie died a shirt," "built a campfire," etc. so if your bunk mate elopes with the counselor and they go on a bank robbing spree, you might say, "well! i didn't have that on my bingo card!" meaning that it's so far out that it didn't previously seem possible/plausible

― budo jeru, Saturday, 17 May 2025 19:11 (one week ago)

nb i'm not defending the expression

― budo jeru, Saturday, 17 May 2025 19:11 (one week ago)

many of these more twitter-y phrases i only see online, but if i overhear anyone say them out loud it basically turns me into an overripe tomato for 10 minutes.

― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Saturday, 17 May 2025 19:34 (one week ago)

One expression I feel doesn't work is "thrown under the bus."

If you and another person are on a bus and you throw them off, they land behind the bus, or to the side. You can't throw them under it, unless you have some way to like lean way out and throw them inward, at an angle. While somehow holding a whole entire person several feet out from a presumably moving bus.

Even if you could throw them off the front of the bus, it seems like getting hit by the bus is the more likely outcome. Buses typically have low clearance for rider convenience in boarding.

Is this an open-top double-decker bus maybe? If so, why would anyone go with you to the upper level if there was a chance they'd be thrown off? And anyways that is still not being thrown _under_ it. You're just being thrown _off_.

Okay, so what if you're not on the bus and you're, like, on the sidewalk when a bus is coming, you would be just _pushing them in front of the bus_, not _throwing them under it_. Unless you somehow lift the person and rotate them sideways, then maybe you could sorta slide them under a bus like putting a pizza in a oven.

It doesn't make sense.

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 17 May 2025 20:15 (one week ago)

I always thought it meant metaphorically pushing someone into the path of a moving bus to save yourself in some fashion.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 18 May 2025 16:22 (six days ago)

it does. ymp you’re being very picky. when people say they’re going to turn out the light are you like *pushes glasses up nose* you’re not turning anything, you’re pressing a switch, what you’re saying makes no sense

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 18 May 2025 16:26 (six days ago)

then maybe you could sorta slide them under a bus like putting a pizza in a oven.

I laughed for quite a while at this.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Sunday, 18 May 2025 16:27 (six days ago)

but jesus fucking christ people on the internet like to just hammer a phrase to fucking death

This is the issue for me with a lot of these phrases. It's not that I mind them on their own, but you just know you're never going to hear anything else. "Comfort zone", "wow factor", "iconic Maida Vale studios", it's so tiresome. I was watching a competition programme on the telly one day and one of the judges was talking about a contestant needing to bring the wow factor. Two of the judges said he had brought the wow factor, one of them said he had brought A wow factor, but not necessarily THE wow factor, and I had to turn it off. Just say you want to be impressed!

― trishyb, Sunday, 18 May 2025 16:48 (six days ago)

lol, I've heard "iconic Maida Vale studios" about three times in the last two hours.

― fetter, Sunday, 18 May 2025 17:26 (six days ago)

one of them said he had brought A wow factor, but not necessarily THE wow factor

That's awesome.

― jmm, Sunday, 18 May 2025 17:31 (six days ago)

we need a typology of wow factors

― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Sunday, 18 May 2025 18:30 (six days ago)

"I'm not crying, you're crying"

― jaymc, Monday, 19 May 2025 12:26 (five days ago)

I'm sure it's been posted before, but "minimalistic". Something can be minimal, a preference for such things is minimalist, but the product of a minimalist mindset is something which is MINIMAL not MINIMALISTIC-ESQUE-ISH-STYLE.

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 21 May 2025 01:37 (three days ago)

I always thought it meant metaphorically pushing someone into the path of a moving bus to save yourself in some fashion.

Especially if they've just thrown their toys out of their pram.

― Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 May 2025 05:32 (three days ago)

Something can be minimal, a preference for such things is minimalist, but the product of a minimalist mindset is something which is MINIMAL not MINIMALISTIC-ESQUE-ISH-STYLE.

Oh yeah, thinking that longer "versions" of words are just the same but fancier drives me nuts. Simplistic instead of simple, singular instead of single, minimalistic instead of minimal -- this doesn't make you sound smarter or more important.

― trishyb, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 11:11 (three days ago)

simplistic means something very different from simple!

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 11:19 (three days ago)

same for singular and single actually. this is a strange contention of yours trishyb!

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 11:21 (three days ago)

I think that’s trishyb’s point?

― einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Wednesday, 21 May 2025 12:04 (three days ago)

It is, yes.

― trishyb, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 12:40 (three days ago)

see also: “within” as a fancier “in”

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 21 May 2025 14:09 (three days ago)

lol duh apologies for misreading

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 15:13 (three days ago)

Elizabeth David, iirc, had the shit annoyed out of her by "crispy" when applied to food, because "crisp" is already an adequate adjective.

― fetter, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 15:44 (three days ago)

now i'm thinking way too much about apples vs bacon

― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 21 May 2025 16:11 (three days ago)

Body butter

― sarahell, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 21:31 (three days ago)

hmm, dunno what that is but I like it so far

― Ste, Wednesday, 21 May 2025 22:01 (three days ago)

Least favorite (mis)usage ever - "ON accident..." it's BY accident you fucking moron!!

...from 20 years ago. I hear more "on"s than "by"s these days.

― encino morricone (majorairbro), Thursday, 22 May 2025 04:24 (two days ago)

Please tell me that isn't true.

― Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 May 2025 05:38 (two days ago)

by purpose

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 May 2025 06:33 (two days ago)

Just as ‘ginger’ jumped borders thanks to the interwebs, a phrase like ‘on accident’ gains traction outside the American south/US black ppl because of online conversations. Midwestern interjections like ‘ope!’ (combined oops/excuse me) are probably next up.

― einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Thursday, 22 May 2025 06:41 (two days ago)

The audacity of ope!

― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 May 2025 08:42 (two days ago)

On accident makes sense to me tbh … but it’s an informal way of speaking, and I could understand being annoyed by it used in a more formal context, like writing.

― sarahell, Thursday, 22 May 2025 12:58 (two days ago)

I grew up in Minnesota in the early 80s and went back for college in the early 90s and either “ope” was so ubiquitous I never noticed it or its relatively recent. In any case it’s new to me.

― I am the stranger, killing the Boer (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 22 May 2025 13:15 (two days ago)

I believe the classic use case is "Ope lemme just scootch right past ya."

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 22 May 2025 14:15 (two days ago)

I heard “scootch” a lot and use it myself!

― I am the stranger, killing the Boer (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 22 May 2025 14:41 (two days ago)

I wasn’t aware that ‘ope’ was part of my vocabulary before reading these posts.

Just this morning, I’ve caught myself saying ‘Ope, sorry’ at least three times, typically when someone else is trying to scooch by me. Maybe this is the Canadian version.

― jmm, Thursday, 22 May 2025 17:53 (two days ago)

Heard some study years ago that basically every language has a version of 'huh', as in the mild acknowledgment of wonder. "Huh, I never heard that." And most of them sound like 'huh'
It's the closest thing to a universal word

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 22 May 2025 17:57 (two days ago)

I was initially sort of charmed by the resurgence of cooked — as in, “he’s cooked” — but I feel like it’s gotten out of hand.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 24 May 2025 03:51 (forty-four minutes ago)

Agreed.

I'm in the charmed phase of "crash-out". Think it's got more staying power than cook. It's less cute, more obviously descriptive. The zoomers really cooked with that one

― H.P, Saturday, 24 May 2025 03:58 (thirty-seven minutes ago)

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