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[ADMIN] DONATE now to make ilx zoom (Part II) (Edit - we are now discussing the merits of running ads on ILX)

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As you probably know, ILX is moving soon. Pash explains it all here:
[ADMIN] Future hosting of ILXor.com

As part of this move, we need to buy a new server to run ILX on, because we don't own the current one. We already have a chunk of money that was raised a few months ago -- in an incredible 11 hours! -- to cover any emergency hosting costs. That cash will buy us a server, but it'd be a bit bare-bones. With a bit more, we'll be able to get something faster and roomier, which the new code really needs.

If you donated last time, your work here is done. If you missed the last round, though, this is your chance. You can donate here:
http://www.dropcash.com/campaign/bonaldi/ilx_server/

Note: The "goal" on that page is spurious. We don't have to reach the goal to buy the new server. That said: more money == more server.

(If you're on one of the other boards, please spread the word! We'll all be moving!)

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

Can I send you a (UK) cheque?

― Going Through The Motions (kate), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Sure can. I'll email you just now

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

is the idea to buy a new dedicated server independent of paperthinwalls? where would the purchased server be kept?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Yes and no: we buy a server, and send it to Paperthinwalls's host in Candaa, who plug it in to the net for us.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

What spec of server have we chosen?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

BIG N MEAN

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

It's a S_n Fire, which we should be getting a discount price for. 3ghz, with 2gb of memory (Keith's done testing, and that's more than enough to keep a huge cache)

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yay! Done. I own ILX now. All of you, sit up and fly straight. Less of that sort of thing. You there! Be quiet!

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

S_lar1s or L1n_x?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

S_lar1s. L1n_x is an option, but I don't kno it as well as S_l

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

20% in 90 minutes... This is turning into a record breaking fund drive!

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Done. Great thanks to everyone taking care of this whole affair.

― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Done.

Giving a few bucks was the easy bit - many thanks to all of you who are doing the hard work. It's much appreciated.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

Already a third of the way there!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

if we donate will we be able to steal some of the server space and bandwidth?

although i guess that'd be defeating the point somewhat of the donation......

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

We're not paying for the bandwidth: PTW are donating it, so not really, no.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Holy shit, did I see that right? Did someone just kick down 500 dollars in the last few minutes?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Yep, that's right. wow.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

I mean ... fuck.
I'm keeping names anonymous unless donors tell me otherwise, tho.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

so the new ilx server can't just run a cheeky ilx only counterstrike server on the side?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

xpost it's okay you can tell them my name stet.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

$450 to go. Nice.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

GOOD QUESTION

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

also: what's happening to the old server?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

That is Andrew's, to do with what he wants.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Selling it on ebay.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

(can i have my $10 back?)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

just kidding

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

(it's more like $4 now probably with depreciation)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

ken, put it towards the ILGCS:S server.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

via me. i take chq.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

I have done my civic duty.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

I drove my civic to jury duty

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/4138/xg0waadz424bf.jpg

― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

I take it if we go over we can beef up the RAM

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

ram up the beef

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

first you must locate it

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

No point in buying more than 4GB though unless we get a 64-bit version of Solaris. My dumb workplace bought more memory for our Sun servers than their kernel version can use. So dumb.

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

Arf. Keith's done testing, and he reckons 4gb would probably be overkill, so I'd cap it at that aynway.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

Any overflow should probably go to a pot in case this happens again, and we should also probly think about google ads for unreg ppl. These decisions aren't for me tho.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

bumpity

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

remind me again why he don't host google text ads?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

we could do -- and probly should do in the new place, but that's not going to raise enough cash to buy a new server in the next two or three days, which is all the time we have.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

I'd rather not, if we can avoid it. We've done ok with donation drives every now and again. one of the things that has made ILX good has been the simple interface and the lakc of shilling for the man.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

can i hold a donation drive to delete ilx

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

if people want to argue the merits of google ads as the key solution they need to be building a time machine and going back a few months to when this discussion first began :/

i agree with stet, fwiw: google ads for non-logged-in users is a reasonable idea. and one that was discussed a few months back. but fuck it, makes no difference to me, really.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

I was on holiday.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

that's no excuse.*

(* it is really - a good one - and i have no comeback.)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

There is no holiday from ILX.
xpost :o

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

[massive cnutish cssspambomb removed]

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

I have an adblock filter that refuses to let me see images named "tiger-uppercut.gif"

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder what I could be missing

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

Possibly the answer to the eternal question "have jon williams' balls dropped yet?"

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, can we spend the spare cash on killing Jon?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Or "what kind of a sad douche goes to lunch with Dr. Morbius"

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe "tiger-uppercut.gif" is just a cry for help

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

I guess I'll never know!

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

tom, maybe CSS nu-ILx wouldn't look like a backward engineered Dissensus if you had coded better and played a bit less super nofriendo.

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

Jon, why are you doing this? Because you can? We get it, you can fuck shit up if you want. Doesn't mean you have to.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

3:40 PM, 1 Nov 06 Message 7420016 on "[ADMIN] Future hosting of ILXor.com" edited by Pashmina (attempt to fix b0rk3d formatting)

lol at "b0rk3d"

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

tom doesn't code anything, fucktardz

dude even blocking the image makes the page all jacked up still, it's cracking me up :D

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

ally otm, wtf firefox!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

Looks fine to me (after greasemonkey).

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

jon, you are no cory arcangel

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

[img spam removed]

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

[loads of img spam removed]

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

EXCELLENT INFANTILE TEMPER TANTRUM A++++++++, WOULD MAKE GO "WAAAAH" AGAIN

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

i request that ilx be ad-supported

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

oh it was locked thanks douchebags

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

I went through the entire page and nuked all the fucked objects just so I could read this thread for the first time. Took me 20 minutes.

What an ass you are, Jon.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

new thread: i request that ilx be ad-supported (no bullshit)

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

It seems incredibly stupid to not be ad-supported. Even if 'the problem' is 'getting people to do stuff,' there seems to be a fund-raiser every six months for a new server or hosting - why on Earth wouldn't you just take advantage of AdSense to pay for all of that?

Divvy up the rest between the admins and programmers for kicks if there's extra. Everybody wins.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

dude even blocking the image makes the page all jacked up still, it's cracking me up :D

-- Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyza...), November 2nd, 2006 7:37 PM. (allyzay)

ally otm, wtf firefox!

-- roc u like a § (jo...), November 2nd, 2006 7:39 PM. (ex machina)

GET ONE DEVELOPERS TOOLBAR

― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

ho fuck, here's a really radical solution to ALL OUR WOES:

- those who want to donate, donate.

- those who don't, don't.

- all of us shut the fuck up with the arguing, and mr tiny-tiny-tiny penis stops it with the CSS flooding.

everyone's a winner, eh?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

No, non-admins and non-programmers don't win. This place shouldn't be making money, and people shouldn't get paid for running it. This is the second time we've had to shell out, and people are willing to.

xpost Grimly OTM

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

It seems incredibly stupid to not be ad-supported. Even if 'the problem' is 'getting people to do stuff,' there seems to be a fund-raiser every six months for a new server or hosting - why on Earth wouldn't you just take advantage of AdSense to pay for all of that?

In five years I've only witnessed two requests for donations. far superior to ads I think.

― Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

How do non-admins and non-programmers 'not win'? ILX works = we win.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

there's been at least three donation requests. no big deal.

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

No one's suggesting that it's a big deal. It is, however, remarkably dumb to turn away free money because some people feel that there's a purity in donor-supported forums.

Why not take the AdSense money, pay for whatever needs paying for in the future, and if people feel a burning need to give, schedule a yearly donation drive for UNICEF 'in the name of ILX' or something?

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

Because we ain't getting paid and I don't like the idea that googlemoney is going to people for administering and programming. Fuck, everyone would want in, clique accusations would go flying, etc. Doesn't sound winning all round to me.

xposts - yeah, give the extra to charity sounds OK though

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

WebDeveloper toolbar have handy "disable all styles" (aka disable Jon Williams) button! Me likey!

― J (Jay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

It is, however, remarkably dumb to cssbomb threads because some people feel that there's a purity in donor-supported forums.

How many people give a shit about having ads here to make money that way? 4?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

ILX works = we win

does not compute

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

Do we *need* a regular influx of money though? I've no objection if needed, I'm just not convinced it is.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

me either.
and I'm not css-bombing.

― Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.cinemenium.com/movies/alien-vs-predator/media/posters/us-theatrical-a-full.jpg

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

If AdSense makes money (and it should, based on the numbers Andrew posted before), we could upgrade servers every year if needed (or not rely on free hosting), or simply donate an assload of cash to something/someone.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

i think the money should go towards producing dog latin's screenplay

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

ilx's own heaven's gate

― gear (gear), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

If AdSense makes money (and it should, based on the numbers Andrew posted before), we could upgrade servers every year if needed (or not rely on free hosting), or simply donate an assload of cash to something/someone.

Great, which one of these people do you trust to take care of that?
And which charity do we donate to?
Who gets the final say?

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

who are you trusting with your donations?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

I trust the same people who've taken donations in the past and long-term admins. Or long-term posters, even. I don't particularly feel worried about where the AdSense money goes.

Charity-wise, let the chief admin pick. Or have the admins vote. Or put it to a vote on ILE. Or choose randomly.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

Dan Perry 2008

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

who are you trusting with your donations?

one of my best IRL friends, as it happens, but hey :p

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

If the ads are only going to be seen by people who aren't logged in, which I think is what was being proposed, I don't give a toss because I'm logged in so I won't see them.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

ILX Charity Fund admin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/wa_logo.jpg

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, if you do the AdSense route and give me the money, I really will run for President of the United States.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

I'D GET BEHIND THAT

― J (Jay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

and do what to him?

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

Well there goes my chance of winning!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/markpoyser/uggabugga/2003/mission-accomplished-thanksgiving.jpg

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

What on earth are you people talking about? It's not a "trust" situation, the money goes to the person who has taken responsibility for finding housing and hardware for the board. In the past that was Andrew (and yes, there have been more than two donation drives, bloody hell just pull up the search function oh wait), now it seems to be stet. Constant stream of money = being able to pay for service if necessary, and being able to upgrade regularly = NO MORE DRAMA. This seems very easy to understand and is an extremely common way of doing things these days. I mean, it's not a huge deal to me because I'm not going to donate money to this cause and I don't care either way about the ad thing, I just happen to think it is a smart, savvy move for the future.

Also seriously $500 person own up.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

hey dang i've gotten behind a few winners in my time!

― J (Jay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

Can we put money on who the $500 was and have all proceeds go to my new gaming rig'08 campaign?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

Ally, it's about "trust" because I am paying money to keep ILX going, not to feed stet's organic cider habit/Dan's presidential campaign/whatever. Someone starts housing large amounts of money in their bank = there's a hierarchy, more obvious than any current one. Why should Stet get £££ in his bank account just because he offered first?

(note: I trust Stet totally, but I can fully understand if it wasn't my mate's boyfriend with the dosh in his bank that I may have reservations)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

I think the thing that would need to happen here is the incorporation of ILX. Which would be kind of awesome because if I could get myself on the board, I could write "fucking around on the Internet" off on my taxes!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

If the money comes from GoogleAds etc the money isn't coming out of your pockets at all, unlike the situation going on currently. That's the point I'm making about the trust, if you switch to a revenue-based system instead of a charity-based system the money clearly goes to the person who agrees to take responsibility for the server and bandwidth. If that person isn't trustworthy enough to use the revenue in a manner consistent with how is expected, then are they trustworthy enough to basically "own" the board??

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

(Don't forget to vote for me in '08!)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I don't see why any one person gets to have lots and lots of googlecash in their bank just because they asked. Like, can I have it? I promise not to accidentally dip into it if I need a holiday.

(and why should $500 person own up, seriously?)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

Because they have a moral imperative to trumpet their charitable donation to as many people as they possibly can; has Bono taught you nothing??????

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

My money's on gabbneb. He was going to put it toward Kerry '08, but things aren't looking so hot now...

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

does bill gates lurk here?

― Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

bon taught me nothing but three chords and the truth

― gear (gear), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

[ADMIN] DONATE now to get me stoned (Part II)

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I don't see why any one person gets to have lots and lots of googlecash in their bank just because they asked.
Because they're taking care of the server and the codebase and keeping things running smoothly, and we trust them to do that, just as we trust stet to take the money now and whomever is going to be in charge of the.

Ally is absolutely OTM - even if you want to talk worst-case scenario with embezzlement or whatever, so what? At least the pilferer is then taking Google's money and we all fuck-off to a new server (since the code is open-source) if we want. Whereas now, if something happens, it's your money that's disappearing. Or if the server implodes on the FedEx plane to Canada, your money that will go to funding a new one.

I'm not donating and not getting in on the Google pyramid scheme (recruit five new ILXors and move up the ladder!), so I don't care, other than a general hostility to leaving free money on the table for any purpose.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

i don't believe in free money, but i believe in DAN PERRY '08

― J (Jay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

there's a very interesting UK v US divide here, isn't there?

US: let someone else pay. set up a corporation. make it a business. CAPITALISM, YO!

UK: er, fuck it, here's a crumpled fiver. now let's get it back to the way it used to be.

personally, i'd rather ILX was funded by people who wanted to fund it and ... oh, fuck it, i don't care. stet, come on: let's go to the fucking pub and get bladdered. i hear you've just come into a vast amount of cash :)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

Only if he chooses a running mate named Kingsley. (xpost)

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

First or last name?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

He was going to put it toward Kerry '08, but things aren't looking so hot now...

If you don't go to school, you don't get an education, you end up in POXY FULE.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

First or last name?

Last, please. I'd happily vote for any Perry & Kingsley ticket, then fill my pockets with rocks and wade into the river.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

ailsa, I'm not sure what you aren't getting but I'm throwing my hands in the air. What milo said, I mean I don't really care that much, but for god's sake you trust stet (and have defended him as ILX charity keeper) on several occasions now, why is this suddenly insane to think he (or whomever takes over actual ownership of the project) could be entrusted with monitoring a monthly "charity drive" and using it to upgrade and maintain the server? I mean, your argument makes no sense, other than possibly some kind of bitter paranoia that whomever does it is going to use the money themselves personally (WHO CARES, I mean Andrew or stet could've been doing that with a bit of the funds from the get go on any of these charity drives, I think enough of them to figure they aren't doing that and I think you do as well). The arguments that people just don't WANT ads do make sense.

FIN, ciao, Perry in '08.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

oh, and since you asked, the $500 thing was a joke. I'd like to think that's a bit obvious (and was obviously figured as such by other posters) but you never know round here.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not against the ad idea for non-registered users. The thing with the donations is for a lot of people it's something they want to do, as they don't have the time or i.t skills to contribute on other parts of the project but can do so financially. It's like the current trend to buy a brick for a soccer club, the club could probably fund itself through tickets, corporate sponsorship etc but the small gesture appeals directly to the community aspects of supporting the club in a simple and tangible manner.

Is Raggett running with Perry in '08?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

$500 is what, £3?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

Is Raggett running with Perry in '08?

I'm his Karl Rove (ie, a purported genius who in all honesty knows jack shit).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

I'd take over the google analytics/adwords/money minding/501c3 for dummies, I don't care if people think I look like christopher eccleston or not. I feel like the only person at the house party who knows how to unclog a toilet.

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ally, there's a difference between chucking a tenner at a self-appointed collection point when you can see what's being raised and someone taking on the responsibility for fuckloads of ad revenue. I'm only reiterating what Tom said on the other thread anyway.

It's well and good that people who are donating trust Stet. But what about all the people who aren't donating and feel really strongly against the idea of donating at all? Do they trust Stet with the ad money? What about if we find out the ad money is around four figures a month or higher?

$$$ is always dirty. Especially when it comes easy. I'm just voicing worst-case scenarios, I'm not against the idea myself.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

Hang on, which thread are we actually discussing this ad thing on now, there seem to be at least three knocking around?

My personal feeling is that running ads should be avoided if at all possible, even if they're only for non-registered users. It's a massive change in direction for the board, possibly the biggest yet. Seeing as various ILX posters have torn lumps out of each other on thousand-post threads over far lesser admin issues, it merits serious discussion. A few questions are:

1 - What would the new board, with ads, actually look like to unregistered posters?
2 - Would it put people, new or established, off posting?
3 - Does anyone actually need that kind of steady revenue stream, once the server is paid for?
4 - Is there anything at all about the nature of these ads that could lead to people posting/manipulating the content of ILX to influence the kind of ads that show? (Forgive me, I don't know anything about how these things work).
5 - What's to stop me linking to ILX all over, say, the Guardian site, diverting a load of traffic over here and using that to justify a share of the ad money?
6 - Is there anything in place to stop determined posters fucking about with the board to block the ads with massive gifs etc?
7 - Do we have any control over what's actually being advertised?

My gut feeling is that this is an unnecessary step seeing as how easy it's been to raise the required cash in the past. Also, it could be hugely divisive, and the last thing I want is more valued posters leaving because of it. The fact that ILX is a non-commercial enterprise has been pretty much a cornerstone from day one, and I'm uncomfortable about that changing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

I've edited the thread title to include this stuff, incidentally.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

U MAD

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

Forget ads on ILX. They're unnecessary. ILXors can come up with the goods when money is needed, anyway. I don't see why anybody should have an issue with this.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

LOCK THREAD, ANDREW HAS SPOKEN

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

VAGINAS BE SANDY!

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

(If my assumption that lack of physical proximity means that Andrew is no longer the person primarily responsible for ILX is incorrect, I withdraw my previous post.)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

Andrew is still in charge of ILX at present.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

LOL for milo.

i just gave $10! which i WASN'T gonna give to kerry '08, honest injun!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

They're unnecessary. ILXors can come up with the goods when money is needed, anyway.

That's not in dispute. I still like the idea of Google covering any future costs, or making a charitable donation that we can decide on.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago)

what will happen will google starts throwing its weight around and demands that we ban louis jagger

what then

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

Perhaps we could spend all the excess ad money on Buffy DVDs.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

(I'm sort of amazed he hasn't stuck his head over the parapet to make a bitchy comment about the code yet)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago)

what will happen will google starts throwing its weight around and demands that we ban louis jagger

Then we give Louis Google's address and a plane ticket (paid for with AdSense money), turn the windup thing on his back a few times and say "SIC 'EM!"

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:43 (eighteen years ago)

LOCK THREAD, ANDREW HAS SPOKEN

Just my opinion.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

he has just not on board xxpost

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

I still like the idea of Google covering any future costs, or making a charitable donation that we can decide on.

I, like others, just have a problem with
a) the drama this could potentiall inspire, and
b) the potential impact that ads would have on ILX's appearance. One of the best things about ILX is how it has managed to exist almost entirely outside of the "commercial net".

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

fucking ADS?

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

If we take ads we have to make some kind of structure to handle that. If we don't we don't, simple as that. A donation drive every couple of years is not that onerous.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

can't we just find some rich old man to take us away from all this

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'd rather donate money than see ads.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

Er, I thought the point was that if you were a registered userm you wouldn't see the ads...?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

Unless I'm missing something, the main objection to (blockable) ads is that it makes ILX grody and commercialized or some such...this is teh internet, not teh hippie commune. STOP BEING HIPPIES. FREE MONEY.

Shit, donate all the extra cash to a net neutrality PAC and we all win, right?

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

what's next, a barcode on the cover?!

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

(aha - sorry I'm not following this very closely. Still, even as a registered user I would prefer donations to ads)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/SHOWBIZ/books/06/09/review.jennifer.government/vert.cover.jpg

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

(er, that was an xpost, not an oblique response to Shakey)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

We've never had ads before, we don't need ads for anything. This new machine and hosting will last us at least the next two or three years (and quite possibly a lot longer). If it ain't broke...

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

We didn't think we'd money again last week, either. Things happen, shit blows up, etc.

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago)

I don't even care if, as a registered user, I see some ads. Ads are everywhere and Google AdSense is completely unintrusive. Some text at the top or bottom of the page. OH THE HORROR.

Also, they're hilarious. First emo thread gets ads for Emo Porn and counselling for your disturbed emo teenagers, etc..

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

STOP BEING HIPPIES. FREE MONEY.

not free.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago)

The meta threads about the ads themselves will be excelsior gold. GOOGLE WILL PAY US FOR MOCKING THEM.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago)

Ads what the hell? You guys need to go look at some other forums once in a while and see how they do it. A fantastic example is www.simtropolis.net which has been going for ages with a very large userbase and a very graphical interface. They just have a rolling link that says "donate if you'd like to help keep us going!" with a little dynamic box on the front page that lists recent donors. People drop by, pop in $5 here and there, and it more than keeps things running. No one ever worries who is handling the money, because they know the site admins are doing just that: adminstering everything. I find it bizarre that some people here act like ILX is just a bunch of mates with a few wonky pages online like its 1995 or something and who's holding the lunch money? This place is too big to have that sort of attitude anymore.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

I hate ads. A popular, high-traffic website without ads is an oasis in a sea of ugliness and bullshit, and is worth preserving on those grounds alone.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

And I didnt think AdSense made very much money for a site, anyhow. Google are the ones who make all the money out of an AdSense deal, not us. I dont particularly want to be a part of that.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

current status:

anti: ILX getting ads
pro: ILX getting aids

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 3 November 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

I don't even care if, as a registered user, I see some ads. Ads are everywhere and Google AdSense is completely unintrusive. Some text at the top or bottom of the page. OH THE HORROR.

Well, plenty of people don't share your nonchalance on the issue and I think that should be respected.

I never thought I'd agree with Shakey, but:

I hate ads. A popular, high-traffic website without ads is an oasis in a sea of ugliness and bullshit, and is worth preserving on those grounds alone.

OTFM.

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago)

i'd prefer that ILX not have ads. but i'm not a fanatic about it. if there's a financial need, i'll cope.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

Similarly, I like the good that we could potentially do with ad revenue, but I'm not a fanatic about it. There's no financial need, and I'll cope.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:55 (eighteen years ago)

Part of it for me is wanting something good to come out of internet addiction.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago)

We didn't think we'd money again last week, either.

Not true, actually. The last fund-drive was a war chest for any eventuality -- we've now achieved something much better than we had hoped for, and this drive perfects it further.

Personally I disagree with the idea of ads on the site; that said many of the arguments for them have their own logic. But the fact that we have always been able, over these years, to demonstrate how much of a self-sustaining community we are, through a minimal amount of financial effort -- four drives, if you count the two this year, ever since 2000, and all of which were essentially concluded in the space of a day -- says much to my mind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

Advertising validates art

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

These are some words I'm writing with my computer

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

NO GODDAMN FUCKING ADS. NO FUCKING NO FUCKING ADS NO. NO. NEVER. FUCK NO.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

DON'T TRY IT

― manute lol (sanskrit), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

I mean is this really something someone is considering? Have we sunk so low that we'd consider providing more space for fucking ADS in this world, this world so saturated with ads, just so we can skip out of paying a few bucks every so often in order to continue to have our chatty chat chat fix?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

YEAH AND NO LISTS NEITHER!

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

DAMNED HIPPIES

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

only if the ads are for dating services

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:42 (eighteen years ago)

For evangelicals.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

or hermaphrodites

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:47 (eighteen years ago)

kittens engaging with invisible objects

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago)

it's not like ilx doesn't already have a massive promotional section (for free, of course)

― liberal arts school prick (lfam), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:04 (eighteen years ago)

ps stop reading adbusters

― liberal arts school prick (lfam), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:04 (eighteen years ago)

Free Ipod Nano click here

― Wrinklecause for Applause! (Wrinklepaws), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:29 (eighteen years ago)

free Wrinklepaws pics from website

― am0n (am0n), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5471/tradingplaces23vo2.jpg

― Wrinklecause for Applause! (Wrinklepaws), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like to not have ads either. I like ILX how it is.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 3 November 2006 07:56 (eighteen years ago)

i like it cunty too

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 3 November 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago)

NoAds says me.

Hey, find something that lets you do polls and let's have a vote. Democratic like.

bet on the antivote = 90%...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

Grr, it won't let me donate because I already have a paypal account, but there's nowhere to log into it.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:06 (eighteen years ago)

Yes there is!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

fill in the amount, then log in.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

If I could find the login box, I would!

Hmmm...

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

Click on "Contribute" you get a paypal page with an amount box. Fill that in, scroll down to the login part.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:17 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, I see.

If I look at the paypal page in Firefox, it doesn't give me the choice of paying via Paypal or by credit card. And if I try to put in my card details, it tells me it's already associated with a Paypal account so I can't use it.

If I look at it in IE, on the other hand, I get the opportunity to log in to Paypal instead.

Grrrrr.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

Worked fine in Opera for me (I just typed in my password under the "Pay Fast With PayPal" bit and the money was gone).

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm... works fine in Firefox for me too.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm. My Firefox isn't *that* old.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

I vote for ads on list threads.

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

i'd probably vote for css-bombing on list threads

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

No ads, please.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

I will reiterate that the main problem with having ads is that if we do ILX suddenly has an income and then has to become a business with accounts, taxes, share capital and the like. Also if there is an entity there is something that can be attacked in a court of law.

Who owns ILX? Tom E, Andrew NF, the coding team, anyone who posted before December 31st 2001, Philip Greenspun? Do any of those and all of the other combinations want any of the hassles outlined above.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

i want my cut

― DG (D_To_The_G), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

ed spectacularly OTM.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

DG also OTM.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't quite get the 'ads for logged out users only' thing because I thought ILX was all 'registered users only' now.

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

how would we know if you are the real tomE or not, the Tom E I know styles his beard differently.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

Tom is now being paid to shave an Apple logo into his beard on a daily basis.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

The idea of any beard 'styling' is an anathema to the real one.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

Incidentally, is anyone who's actually going to be a part of running ILX Mach 3 actually advocating ads? If not, this debate is all academic really. But yeah, Ed OTM. And Andrew.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

the sardine stuck below the left ear is not a style?

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

No ads, please.
-- Tom (freakytrigge...), November 3rd, 2006.

INDIE PURITY

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Can I just mention the obvious in that in the next few weeks we are adding more ads to the site (including for logged-in users), namely for Paper Thin Walls?

It doesn't make a difference to me that PTW is pretty excellent, or that its editor (and many writers) are ilxors: I'd prefer it if we didn't have any advertisements and just subsited on funding drives.

But if we are going to take more ads, which it seems is the case, PTW textads throughout the site does not seem aesthetically superior to a small amount of google-ads visible only to nonreg'ds, so I don't see why the senior ilx bloc is so vehemently opposed.

I mean, if we added google-ads for non-registered users, I'd be seeing fewer advertisements than the tiny amount I do now (and certainly fewer than after the server move).

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think it's an aesthetic thing, dude. ed and tom have summed it up perfectly. ILX is not a fucking business.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

i mean: it does what it has to in order to survive. but this idea of "HEY LET'$$$ MAKE FREE MONEY FOR NEW SERVER$$$" leaves a really, really vile taste in my mouth.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

In that case why aren't we raising our own funds to pay for bandwidth? It's really not much money. (Hell, let's just pay PTW instead of taking their advertisements.)

It just feels like this weird "NO FUCKING ADS EXCEPT FROM OUR FRIENDS" situation.

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

"No ads except from our friends" doesn't sound so terrible to me.

And Sean, please to deal with Ed's point, rather than continuing to insist this is just an inconsistent point of principle.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

I'd be keen to keep things as they are. Donations seem to work.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

I think there is a difference between having adverts and acknowledging the generosity of PTW.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

In that case why aren't we raising our own funds to pay for bandwidth? It's really not much money

because that would mean constant fundraising, ie to pay for each week/month/year's worth of usage? this way we buy one big server and then STOP WORRYING ABOUT FUCKING MONEY.

this is really, really beginning to piss me off and i'm going to stop posting on this thread. everyone's a fucking economic genius, aren't they? but i don't see many people stepping up to the mark and saying: "okay, i'll administrate this." stet has become the de facto fundraiser simply because someone had to do something and he stepped nobly up to the mark. i very much doubt he wants to spend the rest of his fucking existence worrying about ILX's bloody funding stream, although many people here seem to think that, hey, the bloke who's nice enough to do something out of a sense of common decency should be saddled with it for ever.

like i say: it's not a business. i post here because ... i dunno, there's sometimes some good craic. not because i see it as a way of making money!

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

revenue from ads = TINY. forgedaboudit

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

We should have targetted ads, the way you get on the side of the page in gmail - ones which pick up on something which you're written in the thread.

ILX - sponsored by Buffy DVDs, kittens, trucker hats and Lysol.

― C J (C J), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

whoa whoa whoa, grimly - i am anti ad and pro stet (i have enjoyed his company on several occastions). my point is basically this: ads suck, including ads from Paper Thin Walls. Why don't we figure out the cost of a year's bandwidth and add that to the donation goal?

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

don't make money for new servers

make money for BOOZEUP FAP FUNDS!!!!!!!!!!11111

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

What's this Paper Thin Walls deal? Shows how much attention I pay, I suppose.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

sorry sean, that wasn't actually aimed at you at all: you just happened to be standing in the path of the blast. apologies.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

Tom - it's outlined here. In particular:

The board server is to be hosted, and the board's bandwidth provided by Paper Thin Walls:

http://www.paperthinwalls.com/

Which is an independent music-based community. The server will be located in Alberta, Canada. PTW's facility is secure, reliable, and has plenty of bandwidth to spare for ILX's needs. In return for hosting the site, we will be providing links to PTW on the front page, replacing the "Sponsored by Keypoint" .gif, and the "hosted by wh3rd.net" text link. In addition, there'll be a text link to PTW at the top right of the other forum pages.

One more text link in the top right hand corner doesn't really bother me, provided it's unobtrusive.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

Right - thanks for that Matt.

A link to the host/bandwidth provider doesn't qualify as an ad, in my mind. I appreciate this might compromise my indie purity.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

i didn't grok that the PTW ads are just on the forum index pages. that's totally unannoying. i withdraw my squawking. (though i still think that there's some hypocrisy to some of the anti-google-ad screaming.)

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

while we're in withdrawing mode, can i change "many people here" in my 11.53 post to "a small number of people here"? thanks :)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

An edit function will remove the need for all this backtracking nonsense. Just pretend you never said it.

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

hi dere! i'm new here and have never come across any of you before. waht is it made? etc.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

Crucially ads = color = something that makes ILX look less like work and thus a bad thing, a principle I will hew to with indie ferocity to cow even The Lex.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

i thought that corny indie fuxx like ads now? i so confused.

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

:-( I tried but gave me an error message! he does not like that i'm from belgium/ :-((((

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yay. Managed to do it now.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

If we raise more than the goal, can we like, dunno, give Andrew a thankyou present (a shirt or something)?

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

Dropcash doesn't let you raise more than the goal -- which is fast approachin!

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

I will reiterate that the main problem with having ads is that if we do ILX suddenly has an income and then has to become a business with accounts, taxes, share capital and the like.

This is nonsense. Anyone with a blogger account can add AdSense to their blog, having the pennies deposited in a GoogleMoney account (or maybe even PayPal).

It's kind of like claiming I need to incorporate because I occasionally sell stuff on Ebay.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

xxpost Hah! No no no, a thong!

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

Milo, in that case you are the enity running those services. Either someone has to be the entity or the entity has to be incorporated.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Milo, ilx will get more ad $ than your blog, and there's more than one person involved. There may even be enough ad rev to justify splitting (and subsequent taxation of revenue), ergo somebody would have to deal with said shit. I don't care one way or the other, but to pretend that this doesn't raise any issues at all (i.e. "FREE MONEY") defies reality.

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

xp - The former is exactly how things are run now, only with donated money rather than ad money.

not so xpost - if there's enough revenue to raise those issues (on the very off-chance that ILX rakes in thousands a month), that's all the more reason that turning away ads is insane. I'm pretty sure we can find someone willing to take 5% off the top to put it in their bank account.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

Milo, I thought you were an anarchist hyper-left-wing dude.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

That's not the point, we don't need the money, we don't need the hassle, we don't even need to discuss who owns this. Let us stick in this nice grey area and not invite these questions.

Also donations do not equate to income in the way that advert revenue would.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, we probably could. Assuming that anyone who pays out or receives money that has a pretty clear electronic trail behind it doesn't care that they're essentially committing a form of tax fraud. Have you ever been audited, milo?

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think what I'm missing is the problem that ads are supposed to solve.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Aside from "problem: this art lacks a certain filmy layer of ad-supported validation"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

they'd prevent people 'having' to give their own money, which the people who have no interest in giving their own money are FURIOUS about.

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

$30 left until the target is reached!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

We need $30 (two and a half pee) to complete the campaign. Get ads now!

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

i still want my ILX book. :/
fyi.

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

can we have an election, can we have it on the same day as the american midterms, can we, please?

EVERYONE THINK ABOUT HOW AWESOME THIS WOULD BE!!!

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

100% !

― C J (C J), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

At the end of the day, this entire argument is stupid.

SO SAYS DAN

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

DAN OTM

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Norman and Stet have already taken it upon themselves to give all us kids a place to keep bitching and sharing pictures of cats with one another. If Norman and Stet want to advertise and handle the proceeds thereof then that's their motherfucking prerogative. If they don't, the new source code is under the BSD license so everybody can take it and do as they fucking well please on whatever hosting farm they want.

Nobody else has any say in this! Nobody at all!

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

i know this to be true.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

from a business point of view, i think ilx should be publically floated. i mean shit the ilx brand has got to be worth $$$.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

tombot: alberto gonzales.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I VOTE FOR DAN!

― C J (C J), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

NAD PURRY FOR PRAESIDETN!

― C J (C J), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Waterboarding for scoopsnoodle

― ALBERTO GONZALES (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

but this is ilx, not yahoo! we have the freedoms... uh, please don't take me to no blak sites i'll be nice, promise.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Nobody else has any say in this! Nobody at all!

funniest thing ever said on ilx

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

In the 'it's funny because it's true' sense?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Not even Stet and Norman!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

GARU G controls ILX.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

I mean seriously this place is a lot more Maoist than Athenian by a long shot kiddos. Why don't we ask Andrew how he evaluated input from the user population when it was his job to shore up the levees?

― GONBERTO ALZALES (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

(My joke would have been funnier if I had the ability to read the word "else". ;_;)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.spunk.org/library/places/china/images/sp001236.gif

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

dude in white shirt represents the entire population of the UK and Australia. The four tanks represent jon williams, aja, becky lucas and doomie.

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

the hydra-headed streetlight represents Finland

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

the chinese characters read: who the fuck cares, really?

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Oh shit you just won

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

http://scoopsnoodle.com/lix/yay.gif

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

For what its worth, I don't want ads (Google ads or otherwise) on ILX. I've been around this place for years, and the ad-free, plain look is part of what makes it appealing to me. As Ed, Andrew and others have said - it's working FINE now with the occasional drive, and after this brief hiccup moving from Australia to Canada (hooray for the colonies!), things should be smooth for quite a while. The little PTW sponsorship is a non-issue, since no-one seemed to care about (or notice?) the KeyPoint logo thingy on the current site.

Besides, I use Google AdWords/AdSense in my job and as Alan said upthread, it doesn't generate that much cash. Plus the "non-registered" part of ILX's numbers would be smaller than the posted total numbers that caused people to salivate over free money, further reducing the actual ad revenue potential. Mind you, if we registered ILX as a business here in Canada (which would make sense), I could take on the financial management *rubs hands together*

Anyway, whatever - I'm just a hippie Canadian, boo to ads etc etc

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

In the 'it's funny because it's true' sense?

In the 'it's funny because ilx is all about people sticking their opinions in where they have no say anyway' sense. So yes!

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

importantly:

philip greenspun: gandalf
graham: smeagol
alang: bilbo
andrew: frodo

stet and pash????

unsurprisingly, i am anti-ad.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Just wanted to say that I just discovered Paper Thin Walls through this new sponsorship, and I love it! why did I never find this before? I welcome our new, generous sponsors

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

Pash = Peter Jackson
Stet = Eye of Sauron

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

IRL Stet and Pash are more like Merry and Pippin

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

me = sean bean

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Just wanted to say that I just discovered Paper Thin Walls through this new sponsorship, and I love it! why did I never find this before? I welcome our new, generous sponsors
-- like murderinging (mi...), November 3rd, 2006.

i bet they'll really appreciate this recommendation.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

plz 2 b an orc

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

WHERE'S MY BOAT

― HUGO WEAVING (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/houses-with-paper-walls-shouldnt-rock-like-this/

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

Milo, I thought you were an anarchist hyper-left-wing dude.

I am, hence my support for taking money from The Man and putting it to (relatively) good use. I don't buy into some kind of 'ads=impurity' dichotomy.

The competing arguments are kind of ironic to me - 'we'd make so much money ILX would have to move to a server in Delaware/the Bahamas!' vs. 'we wouldn't really make that much money.'

Assuming that anyone who pays out or receives money that has a pretty clear electronic trail behind it doesn't care that they're essentially committing a form of tax fraud.
How much money do you really think this is going to generate, Jay?

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Erm surely Philip Greenspun = SAURON.

Unless I'm Sauron. :(

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

x-post -- Meaning you agree with Alan and Rob that there wouldn't be much cash anyway?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Unless I'm Sauron. :(

We learned it from you, dad, etc.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Tom = sauron. philip greenspun is that guy bigger than sauron. yeah, that one.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

doesn't have to be a lot, milo. even a few hundred bucks can cause a major headache.

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

One day I'll find the dozens of posts in which Mickey boasts about boning people's sisters and how he loves Hitler, but right now, it's a mystery why people bitch at him every time he opens his mouth.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

ooh i'll just be a general purpose elven folk. coz even though i know my web coding I don't really want to get involved unless i really have to.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

right now, it's a mystery why people bitch at him every time he opens his mouth

It's more to do with the R1AA and file-sharing...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

re. ads where's the beef? in either direction? people seem happy donating enough money to keep things going. there are some heroic people who have done actual work on ilx -- and they aren't asking for ads. it seems an unnecessary headache.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

x-post -- Meaning you agree with Alan and Rob that there wouldn't be much cash anyway?
I would say that I don't know. And that it would be impossible to tell unless they were implemented. I would guess that it's enough to cover server maintenance and (perhaps) hosting if it became necessary.

There are thousands of websites and forums taking in small amounts of money in ads and memberships (which are basically donations) without anyone losing sleep over their non-profit status or anything else. All of that is much ado about nothing.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

without anyone losing sleep over their non-profit status

sorry, does ilx have nonprofit status at the moment? that'd be news to me.

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

All of that is much ado about nothing.

Quite right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

I'm presuming we don't need to ask who's Gollum.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

(coughs)

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

well look who has ads on all the forums there...

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=Anarchy%20Again

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

WHO IS TEH ANARCHIST NOW!!1!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

Taking money from Louis Viutton!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

Anarchy with an ad-base. Hilarious.

― Dear Cafes of London (kate), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

I am Otho Sackville-Baggins, bitches!

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

But dude, you die! DO YOU WANT THAT.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

(phil gets the $$, right?)

― J (Jay), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

'Student Papers Assistant', 'Downing Street Mole' and 'The Anarchist Cookbook'. Lol.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

google ads match the ilx aesthetic perfectly

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Annoying trolls on every screen, you mean?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

ha, no... but, yes.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00Bjov

It's not just Google Ads!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Finally, I understand noize antipathy to the Britishes.

-- milo z (wooderso...), November 3rd, 2006 4:04 PM.

don't forget Australians, Canadians and other fellow Americans also opposed to ads idea

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

I am amused, greatly.

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry about this but it has been almost ten years since this free (and advertising-free service) was launched.

― Dear Cafes of London (kate), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

Australians and Canadians are British by proxy.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

milo why do you want ads so badly. ilx is not going to make you rich.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

and the Americans? (xpost)

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh, okay, after looking at the greenspun links, I say no ads plz.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

I am so an Ent.

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

What a joy that all looks over there. So glad we left.

FWIW, something else occured to me earlier -- there's always the talk about 'no ads for registered users, you can always use adblock software/plugins, etc.' Hey, I use adblock software all the time, and thank heavens for that. But the point in those cases is that's improving something after the fact -- which isn't necessary here. A minor point? Perhaps, but an important one -- the baseline plainness of the boards is in many ways its greatest strength.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure Stelios would love to be associated with "I AM A MEXICAN. YES THAT'S RIGHT, A MEXICAN. MUAHAHAHA AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. HAHAHA...I WATCH SAILOR MOON ALL DAY AND I COSPLAY AND I JACK OFF"

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Expanding his client base!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

milo why do you want ads so badly. ilx is not going to make you rich.
Any plan that turns down free money annoys me. I get bothered when friends and family make bad decisions with money as well.

and the Americans? (xpost)
Hippies.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

:(

― Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

philip greenspun: gandalf
graham: smeagol
alang: bilbo
andrew: frodo
Pash = Peter Jackson
Stet = Eye of Sauron


Who's Gimly Friendish then?


― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Dara O'Brien, right?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

He's Sam.

I should mention, by the way, that you donating ppl did it! Bust another target! I'll be in touch with the server shoppe man this weekend.

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ned = Tom Bombadil

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

Australians and Canadians are British by proxy.
-- milo z (wooderso...) (webmail), Today 10:35 AM. (mlp) (later)

DONT MAKE ME KILL YOU

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

Ned = Tom Bombadil

Impossible. He's vegetarian.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Could some mod perhaps consider unbanning Jon before the inevitable happens?

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

well, new users can't reg right now, so unless someone gives him an account, it's not going to, is it?

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

whereas if you unban him he's sure to try

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

It's great that we all give each other so much credit.

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

you called it "the inevitable", yo

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

lame

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

its not inevitable. he might go to the shops, or watch a movie instead. perhaps even go for a swim

― -- (688), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

its a bit cold for a swim now, on the other hand.

― -- (688), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Inevitable if it happens because he has to work his way around the ban somehow. Which he will. Avoidable if it's treated with some amount of decorum, I think.

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

What? Like he treated these two threads with decorum? fuck it.

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah uh coddling nine year olds who have no good reason to want to post here because as far as anyone can tell they hate everyone on the board, hmm. he's got his own reservation he made for himself. crocodile tears.

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, banning him from the board was a perfectly measured response, rather than just locking him out of the threads in question.

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

why don't you ask anybody if they miss him

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lazytrainer.com/wp-content/images/hamster.gif

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

I can think of plenty of people I wouldn't miss, and I'm sure plenty of people wouldn't miss me. What was your point again?

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

are you new to ilx, john justen?

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

No, I just remember the hand-wringing over the last time Jon had an internet beef and took it out on ILE. Which I found amusing, but not many others did. I just thought heading it off might be smart. Silly me.

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

ilx: sonned by self in internet beef

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

Chris otm - NO ADS.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

No ads, unless they're designed by Thermo.

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, remember those 1000 post threads about completely inconsequential shit* such as making ILE reg-only? Nothing was decided on those threads, and eventually the mods said fuck it and made ILE reg-only regardless, and what happened? Any fallout?

I'm perfectly happy to let Stet, Pash, etc. make this decision, the same way they were able to make decisions about hosting, coding, and so on without resorting to handwringing threads invoking notions of ILX Inc. Incidentally, I'm not philosophically opposed to ads like other people are, although I prefer that we keep ILX ad-free (and that's all it is, just my personal preference).

*yes, I realize that if you cut the sentence here then it could be describing any number of threads, just read on for a moment

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Nothing was decided on those threads, and eventually the mods said fuck it and made ILE reg-only regardless, and what happened? Any fallout?

Well you smug Canado-fascist, the registration system for ILX is COMPLETELY FUCKED right now, so we have zero new posters.

registration + password sending totally, 100% fucked (AKA NO NEW GOOGLERS)

― HAMMMMM (hamsterfrench), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

If congress can build a wall around Mexico, then it is our god-given right to block new blood on ILX. America number one!

― John Justen will insert a ship in your cat for no additional fee (johnjusten), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

ILE is reg only? That is news to me!

Anyway, if we're voting, I'm for no ads.

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

I Rate Everything is still open for random googler business, you all will be happy to know

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

ILG is unreg-postable.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

does this thread remind anybody else of lord of the flies?

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

you sort of remind me of piggy

― manute lol (sanskrit), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

so asking for it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

fair

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

sorry

― manute lol (sanskrit), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

Jesus Christ, people.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

sucks to your asmar!

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

Who owns ILX? Tom E, Andrew NF, the coding team, anyone who posted before December 31st 2001, Philip Greenspun?

Woo! That means I own ILX. No ads, please. I phoned Philip Greenspun and he agreed they were ridiculous.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

so ads it is then.

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago)

ilx is owned by whoever icann says it's owned by

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

If we raise more than the goal, can we like, dunno, give Andrew a thankyou present (a shirt or something)?

The thought is appreciated, but I feel that's unnecessary and I wouldn't accept such a thing.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago)

what shows you watch

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

Buffy DVDs for Andrew!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:24 (eighteen years ago)

Please, make it Herzog or Wim Wenders DVD's only, please! (ps: I already have the Herzog/Kinsky box set.)

Actually, if you really have to give me something:

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gifts/registries/wishlist/v2/web/wl-btn-74-b._V52198558_.gif

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:26 (eighteen years ago)

We have the Herzog box, it is awesome.

― I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in the city hall... (papa november), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:34 (eighteen years ago)

We watched Aguirre last night, and then watched it with the commentary. Herzog is the man.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 4 November 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

YOU GET NOTHING

― manute lol (sanskrit), Saturday, 4 November 2006 05:10 (eighteen years ago)

Herzog is the man.

there's something so strange abt this statement, can't say it's wrong, still...

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

The thought is appreciated, but I feel that's unnecessary and I wouldn't accept such a thing.

Right, it's not like he would wear it. Haven't you seen the what do you look like threads?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 4 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

(I'm glad somebody got it.)

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 4 November 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Back from a couple of days offline.

It's fucking incredible that people raised the $$ for the server upgrade so quickly, totally fantastic. Many, many thanks.

I don't have any opinion w/r/t google ads other than some vague feeling that one less advert is one less advert.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 4 November 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder what we'll play for you tonight
Something heavy or something light
Something to set your soul alight
I wonder how we'll answer when you say
"We don't like you - go away,
"Come back when you've learnt to play"

I wonder what we'll do when things go wrong
When we're half-way through
our favourite song
We look up and the audience has gone
Will we feel a little bit obscure
Think "we're not needed here,
"We must be new wave
- they'll like us next year"

The Wonders don't care
- we don't give a damn

― J (Jay), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
PaperThinWalls.com people, I tried to sign up an account on the site to comment there, but you guys never sent me the confirmation email! plz to fix site!

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

;_;

― PaperThinWalls.com people (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

have you checked your junk mail folder?

* NB i have nothing to do with paperthinwalls

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that happens.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

oops, junk mail folder! thx gmail.com.

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...
i've yet to witness this 'zoom' that ilx is supposed to perform

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

This is still the zoomless old code.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

I was wondering about that. Do we have any updates on the progress of the new code?

― Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

i've yet to witness this 'zoom' that ilx is supposed to perform
Are you on Linux, Ken? Some linux types have been having trouble connecting to the new hosts. I can't get in at all from my phone. They're looking into it.

― stet (stet), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

i tried everything! even pressing F10 didn't help :(

do you think upgrading to windows vista penultimate would help? i've seen those little windows zoom on tv.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

They zoom so fast you can't even see "not representative of actual speed" in the smallprint.

― onimo (onimo), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

should've let some strangers foot the bill for our coders' drug habits

― friday on the porch (lfam), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

That'd be coder, singular. And I think he's on Lemsip right now.

― stet (stet), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

I've never done Lemsip before!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

Get the max strength with the Pseudoephedrine in rather than the weak Phenylephrine based one.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

and risk ended up with nothing but pseudo-ephedrine-code?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

so how does this bitch work? PTW pay for just for the little link in the upper right corner?

― Crêpe, Saturday, 22 December 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

I think it's the other way round: they donate bandwidth and ILX thanks/pays them by displaying the link.

― StanM, Saturday, 22 December 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

so we got some advertising

― elan, Saturday, 22 December 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago)

As advertsinig goes, that logo-link to PTW qualifies as practically non-existent. Thank goodness.

― Aimless, Saturday, 22 December 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago)

The Google contextual advertising meta-humor potential of ILX is frying my imagination.

― Kerm, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.divide-n-cook.com/frying-pan-set-large.jpg

― StanM, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago)

B-b-but! Now all my food is half-moon shaped! :(

― Kerm, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:23 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.stutteringhelp.org/Portals/english/sfa_logo1.jpg

― StanM, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago)

The birth of a new meme?

― StanM, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.gynpages.com/gifs/header-violet.jpg

― StanM, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago)

The lady in the GT Express infomercial takes that chicken-rolled-in-crumbs thing out of the cooker and says, "Doesn't this look like something you could serve to company?"

Like, yay, our days of eating embarrassing-looking meals seasoned with our own lonely tears are finally over. Thanks to the GT Express, we can have guests!

― Kerm, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago)

Chicken breast is half-moon shaped anyway, so it's an obvious example for her commercial, but a chicken-breast-shaped steak? hmm.

― StanM, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago)

"See how easy it comes out of there? And then just wipe with a damp cloth - Virtually NO cleanup!"

Can you imagine what these things look like after a month of Leftover Omlettes and "keep the mix in the fridge" Bisquick batter birthday cakes? Boy, I love a seasoned grill.

― Kerm, Saturday, 22 December 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago)


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