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TS: Keith Urban playing on Dick Clarke (now Ryan Seacrest) vs Brookes and Donne playing on Anderson Cooper...

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 January 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno, but I was in a bar on Queens Boulevard during the CNN Brooks and Dunn part, and the sound was down with Ludacris playing for the dancers, and Brooks and Dunn sure looked cool singing that Ludacris song, though those scare lines about Palestinians and stuff (couldn't read the specifics from where I was standing) make things somewhat odd.

Anyway, this should be used for reference, obviously, or fun. It's best to start at the bottom, perhaps, and answer those questions here. Or there. Or wherever you want:

Rolling 2005 Country Thread

I'm still wondering if any of our Canadian friends have any thoughts about Bocephus King.

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, now that it's next year, can somebody finally explain to me this mysterious sentence from the outset of last year's thread?

>The rolling 2004 country thread didn't even start until 2004, so i figured it best to get an early start...

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

[carryover from last thread]

yeah that anthony
hamilton errs mightily,
so not country now

the title track is
the best song on there but it
falls when it should rise

I still love his voice
and his lyrics aren't bad
but they've gone downhill

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

What '70s soul does he think he sounds like, Matt? I can't even figure that out. I think his voice is kind of average, not that much beauty in it, but maybe that's just me; I guess the main thing is that he connects to me emotionally not at all. (Happy New Ears, by the way!)

(Dang, three posts into the year, and we've always derailed it from country. It should be pointed out here that Anthony Hamilton's previous CD was one of Matt's '04 c&w faves.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

well that last album
WAS all country! (another
musical crush wrecked)

yeah happy new year
to you and everyone
who posts here. FURTHUR!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 1 January 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I would also like to ask our English friends for thoughts about Mercury Prize nominee KT Tunstall, whose imminent (here) *Eyes to the Telescope* (especially "Suddenly I See" and maybe "Miniature Disasters" and "Heal Over" so far; "Universe & U" kinda stinks) I have been enjoying this weekend in a sort of vaguely jazz-folky post-Laura Nyro/Rickie Lee Jones stewardess-pop (stole that idea from an old Xgau Quarterflash review!) sort of way, which is to say approx. 15 percent country maybe, though I could see her appealing to an '06 US country audience if they heard her. Have no idea how she's heard or thought of in England. If I pay closer attention to the words will I hate her? I am sort of scared of that.

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

It was a typo.

er, that should read: "The rolling 2004 country thread didn't even start until October 2004..."
-- john'n'chicago (econjoh...), February 4th, 2005.

I'm listening to two tracks from Rosanne Cash's new one (a concept album about losing her parents) on her website. Has anybody heard the whole thing? So far, it sounds ok, loose drums on a song about the Cash house on the lake, Levenoisisms more taut than pillowy, and the other song, a very sweet piano ballad, about her mom and dad, "I'll Be Watching You." Chet Flippo says she's been listening to Arvo Part. I hope there are at least a couple rockers--because she's too good a singer to just do ballads.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 1 January 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, actually the 2004 thread seems to have started in April! But thanks.

I was wrong toward the end of the other thread in listing Eurodisco as part of Bocephus King's mix; really his extended synth parts are closer to a sort of techno space music, though not without a dance pulse (Joe McCombs compared those parts to Erasure in his AMG review.) Only a couple cuts seem to c&w per se, and those are more western than country -- Canadian cowboy music, maybe. Sometimes the rhythm goes reggae, and one song lilts a lot like "Lola" by the Kinks. The extended instrumental track is a sort of Sergio Leone soundtrack twang thing, and riveting. Really who B.K. most reminds me of maybe Garland Jeffreys (though maybe that's because I can't remember what Hirth Martinez or Andy Fairweather Low or whoever sounded like; I'm sure there's a more accurate precedent than Garland, just can't think of who it is.) Some songs seem to be about drug casualties, and the album clearly has some kind of ambitious overriding concept, too; Joe says it's about corrupt hucksters of religion (it's called *All Children Believe in Heaven*), but following concept albums has never been one of my skills; to me, it's just a bunch of great beautiful songs/tracks/whatever. Would've had a shot at my top ten had I heard it on time. Came out in Canada a year ago; if it comes out here some year, maybe I'll still vote for it.

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

wahts the URL Roy, cause that sounds awesome

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 January 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The KT Tunstall tracks I don't like are probably more Natalie Merchant than to Nyro/Rickie Lee. Second most energetic and therefore likeable song after "Suddenly I See" (which is a real good dance track) might be "Black Horse and the Cherry Tree," with its sort of Diddley beat.

The Carrie Underwood track I really like that I didn't mention toward the end of the '05 thread is "The Night Before (Life Goes On)." And "Jesus Take the Wheel" is indeed a stellar car-crash song about being, um, saved. Edd Hurt signals out the Dianne Warren tracks, which I agree have a certain physical power to them, but I'm not sure if they have much *more* than that.

xhuxk, Monday, 2 January 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, now that it's next year, can somebody finally explain to me this mysterious sentence from the outset of last year's thread?

>The rolling 2004 country thread didn't even start until 2004, so i figured it best to get an early start...

simple really. i do no fact, spell, grammar or punctuation checking before posting. nor do i ever re-read what i've typed to ensure that it makes any sense.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 2 January 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

URLs for Rosanne tracks:
I Was Watching You: http://www.rosannecash.com/
House on the Lake: http://www.rosannecash.com/bc_player/hotl_player.html

Comes out Jan 24th, so I guess I should get on the phone to get an advance.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm. That "I Was Watching You" track reminds me a lot of last year's Lesley Gore mini-comeback album, oddly enough.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Many of you have already seen this in your inboxes, but I thought it was worth posting here. The singles chart is pretty interesting. It's cool that the Lambert album sold as well as it did, but I'm surprised "Kerosene" didn't break the Top 50 singles. Actually, the album chart is interesting too, as 2004 and 2003 releases dominate. Is that typical?

From Geoff Himes at the Nashville Scene:

This is a friendly reminder that the deadline for the Country Music
Critics Poll is Wednesday, January 4, 2006, at 11 p.m. A few of you have
already voted, but I'd like to encourage everyone else to vote as soon
as possible. If you have voted, you should have received a confirmation
from me that I got your ballot.

Several people have asked about eligible recordings, so I am including
Billboard's list of the year's best-selling country albums and singles
as well as the poll's leading vote getters in the early balloting.

BILLBOARD'S BEST-SELLING COUNTRY ALBUMS OF 2005:
(* released in 2004 or 2003)

1. * Shania Twain: Greatest Hits
2. * Rascal Flatts: Feels Like Today
3. * Toby Keith: Greatest Hits 2
4. * Gretchen Wilson: Here for the Party
5. * Tim McGraw: Live Like You Were Dying
6. George Strait: Fifty #1s
7. * Keith Urban: Be Here
8. Toby Keith: Honky Tonk University
9. * Big & Rich: Horse of a Different Color
10. * Sugarland: Twice the Speed of Life
11. Kenny Chesney: Be As You Are
12. * Kenny Chesney: When the Sun Goes Down
13. Faith Hill: Fireflies
14. * Alison Krauss & Union Station: Lonely Runs Both Ways
15. Various Artists: Totally Country Vol. 4
16. George Strait: Somewhere Down in Texas
17. * Brad Paisley: Mud on the Tires
18. Larry the Cable Guy: The Right To Bare Arms
19. Gretchen Wilson: All Jacked Up
20. Brad Paisley: Time Well Wasted
21. LeAnn Rimes: This Woman
22. * Blake Shelton: Barn & Grill
23. * Brooks & Dunn: Greatest Hits Collection II
24. Kenny Chesney: The Road and the Radio
25. * Martina McBride: Martina
26. Dierks Bentley: Modern Day Drifter
27. * Montgomery Gentry: You Do Your Thing
28. Trace Adkins: Songs About Me
29. Martina McBride: Timeless
30. * Jimmy Buffett: License To Chill
31. Jo Dee Messina: Delicious Surprise
32. Lee Ann Womack: There's More Where That Came From
33. * Toby Keith: Shock'n Y'All
34. * Josh Gracin: Josh Gracin
35. * Alan Jackson: What I Do
36. Brooks & Dunn: Hillbilly Deluxe
37. Miranda Lambert: Kerosene
38. Van Zant: Get Right with the Man
39. * Reba McEntire: Room To Breathe
40. * Alan Jackson: Greatest Hits Volume II
41. Trisha Yearwood: Jasper County
42. * Various Artists: Blue Collar Comedy Hour Rides Again
43. * Sara Evans: Restless
44. Craig Morgan: My Kind of Livin'
45. Cowboy Troy: Loco Motive
46. Sara Evans: Real Fine Place
47. * Terri Clark: Greatest Hits 1994-2004
48. Jason Aldean: Jason Aldean
49. * Dierks Bentley: Dierks Bentley
50. * SheDaisy: Sweet Right Here

BILLBOARD'S BEST-SELLING COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2005:

1. Craig Morgan: That's What I Love About Sunday
2. Toby Keith: As Good as I Once Was
3. Rascal Flatts: Bless the Broken Road
4. Sugarland: Something More
5. Rascal Flatts: Fast Cars and Freedom
6. Josh Gracin: Nothin' To Lose
7. Sugarland: Baby Girl
8. Keith Urban: Making Memories of Us
9. Faith Hill: Mississippi Girl
10. Montgomery Gentry: Gone
11. Brad Paisley: Mud on the Tires
12. Brooks & Dunn: It's Getting Better All the Time
13. Kenny Chesney: Anything But Mine
14. Jo Dee Messina: My Give a Damn's Busted
15. Keith Urban: You're My Better Half
16. Dierks Bentley: Lot of Leavin' To Do
17. Montgomery Gentry: Something To Be Proud Of
18. Andy Griggs: If Heaven
19. Sara Evans: A Real Fine Place To Start
20. George Strait: You'll Be There
21. Joe Nichols: What's a Guy Gotta Do
22. Brooks & Dunn: Play Something Country
23. Jamie O'Neal: Somebody's Hero
24. Brad Paisley: Alcohol
25. Craig Morgan: Redneck Yacht Club
26. LeAnn Rimes: Probably Wouldn't Be This Way
27. Trace Adkins: Songs About Me
28. Blake Shelton: Some Beach
29. Keith Urban: Better Life
30. Josh Gracin: Stay with Me (Brass Bed)
31. LeAnn Rimes: Nothin' 'Bout Love Makes Sense
32. Tim McGraw: Do You Want Fries with That
33. Gretchen Wilson: Homewrecker
34. Alan Jackson: Monday Morning Church
35. Lee Ann Womack: I May Hate Myself in the Morning
36. Darryl Worley: Awful, Beautiful Life
37. Billy Dean: Let Them Be Little
38. Tim McGraw: Back When
39. SheDaisy: Don't Worry 'Bout a Thing
40. Lonestar: You're like Comin' Home
41. Gretchen Wilson: When I Think About Cheatin'
42. Van Zant: Help Somebody
43. Kenny Chesney: Keg in the Close
44. Rascal Flatts: Skin (Sarabeth)
45. Gary Allan: Best I Ever Had
46. Toby Keith: Honky Tonk U
47. Blake Shelton: Goodbye Time
48. Jason Aldean: Hicktown
49. Reba McEntire: He Gets That from Me
50. Neal McCoy: Billy's Got His Beer Goggles On

ALBUMS GETTING SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT IN THE EARLY VOTING (in alphabetical
order):

Ryan Adams: Jacksonville City Nights
Gary Allan: Tough All Over
Bobby Bare: The Moon Was Blue
Dierks Bentley: Modern Day Drifter
Big & Rich: Comin' to Your City
Deana Carter: The Story of My Life
Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell: Begonias
Rodney Crowell: The Outsider
Robbie Fulks: Georgia Hard
Mary Gauthier: Mercy Now
Jimmie Dale Gilmore: Come on Back
The Hacienda Brothers: The Hacienda Brothers
Merle Haggard: Chicago Wind
Shooter Jennings: Put the O Back in Country
Miranda Lambert: Kerosene
Patty Loveless: Dreamin' My Dreams
Martina McBride: Timeless
Delbert McClinton: The Cost of Living
James McMurtry: Childish Things
Brad Paisley: Time Well Wasted
John Prine: Fair & Square
Tom Russell: Hotwalker
Marty Stuart: Soul's Chapel
Gretchen Wilson: All Jacked Up
Lee Ann Womack: There's More Where That Came From
The Wrights: Down This Road
Dwight Yoakam: Blame the Vain
Adrienne Young: The Art of Virtue
Neil Young: Prairie Wind

SINGLES GETTING SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT IN THE EARLY VOTING (in alphabetical
order):

Gary Allan: The Best I Ever Had
Dierks Bentley: Lot of Leavin' To Do
Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell: Don't Make It Better
Rodney Crowell: The Obscenity Prayer
Robbie Fulks: Georgia Hard
Mary Gauthier: Mercy Now
Merle Haggard: Where's All the Freedom
Shooter Jennings: Fourth of July
Toby Keith: As Good As I Once Was
Miranda Lambert: Kerosene
Patty Loveless: Keep Your Distance
Shelby Lynne: When Johnny Met June
James McMurtry: We Can't Make It Here
Joe Nichols: Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off
Brad Paisley: Alcohol
Keith Urban: Makin' Memories of Us
Gretchen Wilson: I Don't Feel Like Loving You Today
Lee Ann Womack: I May Hate Myself in the Morning
Lee Ann Womack: There's More Where That Came From
The Wrights: Down This Road
Dwight Yoakam: Blame the Vain

REISSUES GETTING SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT IN THE EARLY VOTING (in
alphabetical order):

Terry Allen: Silent Majority
The Band: A Musical History
June Carter Cash: Keep on the Sunny Side
Johnny Cash: The Legend
David Alan Coe: Penitentiary Blues
Emmylou Harris: Heartaches & Highways
Charlie Poole: You Ain't Talkin' to Me
Doug Sahm: The Complete Mercury Masters
Shel Silverstein: The Best of
Son Volt: Retrospective
Various Artists: Good for What Ails You
Various Artists: Night Train to Nashville, Volume 2

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost

From: "Frank Kogan"
To: "Geoff Himes"
Subject: Re: Country Music Critics Poll Ballot
Date: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:37 PM

Hi Geoff - I either will or will not send along comments in a couple of days. I enjoyed the agony of having to eliminate great stuff more than ever this year. Obviously I didn't listen to a lot of reissues, and my oddball choice belongs predominantly to some other country than this one, but there was room, so why not? It's an amazing record.

TOP TEN COUNTRY ALBUMS OF 2005:

1. Deana Carter -- The Story of My Life
2. Miranda Lambert -- Kerosene
3. Bobby Bare -- The Moon Was Blue
4. Jamie O'Neal -- Brave
5. Shooter Jennings -- Put the O Back in Country
6. Gary Allan -- Tough All Over
7. Lee Ann Womack -- There's More Where that Came From
8. The Mighty Jeremiahs -- The Mighty Jeremiahs
9. Little Big Town -- The Road to Here
10. Dierks Bentley -- Modern Day Drifter

TOP TEN COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2005:

1. Deana Carter -- "The Girl You Left Me For"
2. Miranda Lambert -- "Kerosene"
3. Shooter Jennings -- "4th of July"
4. Miranda Lambert -- "Bring Me Down"
5. Dierks Bentley -- "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do"
6. Miranda Lambert -- "Me and Charlie Talking"
7. Kentucky Headhunters -- "Big Boss Man"
8. Jo Dee Messina -- "Delicious Surprise (I Believe It)"
9. Toby Keith -- "Big Blue Note"
10. Little Big Town -- "Boondocks"

TOP FIVE COUNTRY REISSUES OF 2005:

1. Various Artists -- Guitars of the Golden Triangle: Raw, Rare & Forgotten Archival Recordings from 1970's Shan State. Folk and Pop Music of Myanmar (Burma) Vol. 2
(believe it or not, this has a folk-rock, c&w, rockabilly, garage-rock influence)
2. Charley Poole and others -- You Ain't Talkin' to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music
3. David Allan Coe -- Penitentiary Blues
4. --
5. --

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST MALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:

1. Gary Allan
2. Gene Watson
3. Toby Keith

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST FEMALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:

1. Miranda Lambert
2. Deana Carter
3. Jamie O'Neal

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST LIVE ACTS OF 2005:

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COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST SONGWRITERS OF 2005:

1. Deana Carter
2. Miranda Lambert
3. Odie Blackmon

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST DUOS, TRIOS OR GROUPS OF 2005:

1. Big & Rich
2. Little Big Town
3. The Mighty Jeremiahs

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST INSTRUMENTALISTS OF 2005:

1. Deana Carter
2. Greg Martin
3. James Wright (since you don't have a special spot for producers, I put him here)

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST NEW ACTS OF 2005:

1. Miranda Lambert
2. Shooter Jennings
3. Shelly Fairchild

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST OVERALL ACTS OF 2005:

1. Deana Carter
2. Miranda Lambert
3. Bobby Bare

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Real interesting that Cowboy Troy placed in the Top 50; I wasn't watching the Mediabase charts attentively this year, but when I did check, he'd be getting play on zero or one country station. I think he may actually have gotten a little more CHR Pop airplay.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but "That's What I Love About Sundays" as #1 selling single? Even if you hear past Craig Morgan's abject facelessness, what's left to hear? I guess it captures church-going as a pleasurable social almost secular experience, and that's interesting. But it seems totally anonymous to me.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

A couple of last minute surprises on my own list: "Delicious Surprise" over "My Give A Damn's Busted." "Busted" is a tighter song, but "Surprise" has strange nooks and crannies, blues slide leading into a really loud yell, and the chorus pierces, gorgeous but lacerating, and momentarily more weirdly psychedelic in its harmonies than anything on the Big & Rick.

"If only I was the president, I'd paint the white house pink and never have to pay the rent."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I detest that Craig Morgan song. That's what I hate about country.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going to buy that Mighty Jeremiahs album tomorrow. Chuck was right that ND slept on it--and lately I can't get enough gospel.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Other dark horse surprise on my list was the Dierks Bentley album. I loved "Lot of Leavin" but pretty much dismissed the rest as lightweight and too comfortable in itself besides. But complaining about Dierks being lightweight is like complaining about Big & Rich being freaky. The lightness is the method, and it works well, most effectively - to my surprise - on the sensitive ballad that closes the album. Ballads bore me, but this being so light there was not much more than the beauty of the tune to contend with.

I will say that Dierks' being on a major meant there was money to throw at the recording, which may ultimately have been why his record held up for me more than the McQueen or the Maybelles, whose ideas were at least as interesting as Dierks'. Dierks' album had a nice round easy professional motion, and this motion spoke to my body.

xpost (as usual)

The Jeremiah alb is a killer guitar album, too.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

And I surprised myself with how much I liked the O'Neal, which I'd sort of badmouthed in last year's thread. I'd say that Gary Allan had generally stronger songs, and he's a beautiful singer, but what works for him is to figure out how to approach a song and then just do it like that, consistently. Whereas O'Neal's music tends breathe a lot more freely. In the midst of the dramatic story of the stripper, she breaks into scat singing for no particular reason, but it works, as if the dance of the singing correlates somehow to the striptease. And this is important because it's the music and not the lyrics that make the case for the stripper's dance.

In general I like music that overspills its container, though for this to work well there has to be a good container in the first place.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Now to somehow get some Pazz & Jop comments on paper.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

In the last thread someone was asking if there were any country songs that were booty songs, have you heard (or rather seen) Trace Adkins "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk"?

It's like Black Oak Arkansas meets a (white) booty video with the Skynyrd 'turn it up' at the start and a bit of a techno backing thing. I've only seen it as a video and am wondering how it stands up as a song.

hannah, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

that sounds like the most amazing thing ever

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

no big surprises on Geoff's list. I'd like to see Gary Allan win, but have a feeling it won't be him...maybe Deana?

and yeah, I did kinda like Carrie Underwood's "The Night Before" (that's the one about the girl leaving home, rhymes "Baton Rouge," "LSU" and "in my rearview?), but for me, that song demonstrates where that whole record falls down--every chorus just seemed *too* overblown and mannered to me, always going for the big place-name drama. She kind of gets around that on "I Ain't in Checotah" but it still feels like a couple of songs tacked onto each other to me, it almost works. I think the Diane Warren songs are better than the other ones they found for her, and seem to be about what happens after she gets successful, with the overblown drama a bit more, uhm, aestheticized I guess. "Wasted" isn't bad either, but I would've liked the record even more if they'd tried to lay back just a little bit. But that wouldn't have played into the whole drama of her ascension.
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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Frank Kogan: Great piece on Bare, I'm gonna get it now!

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Bocephus King: Apparently, he is/was popular in Italy. Liked most of his previous album, The Blue Sickness, especially the one about "How Like A Prison Is This Town" (I think it's called, "Mess of Love").
Couldn't be arsed to put the effort into his concept album, howev. If I haven't already disposed of it, I'll give it another listen, though I don't think my tastes align with Xhuxx's anyway.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

re: KT Tunstall anybody going to see her show?

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Tue 1/17 at the Mercury Lounge? Probably. "Black Horse + the Cherry Tree" made my P&J singles ballot.

Huk-L: I hope you give the Bocephus King album a listen. My tastes don't align well with Xhuxk's, either.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Joseph, is "Black Horse and Cherry Tree" really about a horse asking KT to marry him, and she says no? That's what she seems to be singing about. Wacky! Though it would be even wackier if she said yes! Also, tracks # 2,3, and 8 have good power-ballad buldups, I have decided.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, Bocephus's concept album takes no effort if (like me) you don't listen to it as a concept album. (Though Joe says he does.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

god, I had forgotten how Lou Reed-like Miranda Lambert's "Kerosene" is, wow. and figured out the opening guitar riff of Sara Evans's "A Real Fine Place" is exactly the same as the one Big Star uses on "February's Quiet" from their new album. except that "Real Fine Place" is infinitely a better song. as far as Trace and ba-donk goes, if there's a bar like the one in the video around here, I ain't seen it yet.
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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I would be totally shocked if Deana won. Totally. I'll bet half the voters never even got a chance to hear it. It was on an indie and got zilch airplay outside of Southern Cal (as far as I know), but it didn't register as "alternative" either so didn't really have a constituency. I think Gary has a chance. As a matter of fact, there's nothing that strikes me as an obvious winner, but I'm so ignorant - maybe it's clear that Crowell will win again, or Mary Gauthier (I was amazed to see her up at number two on the No Depression list).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

My money is on Womack. High profile, solid selling record and she'll own the trad vote, do well with the mainstream and probably get nods from the alt/Americana writers. I really really really hope Crowell doesn't win.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

My money is on Lee Ann Womack, who will do real well among both alt & pop critics (she scored huge in the CMAs AND scored on the No Depression chart.) Who else can say that? Bobby Bare might have an outside shot. I guess. But Lee Ann seems like a shoo-in to me.

woah, xp!! I swear I wrote my entire post before seeing Roy's!!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I hacked your browser and stole your ideas. I type fast too. Where's don? I want to steal from him now.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, that's a good guess. Bare might win, just because he's a sentimental favorite, and OK, I've come around and think it's a really fine record too. Marty Stuart ought to be way up there too. I wonder about Deana, though, since I know a bunch of country fans who could care less about polls who are really into that record, so my sense is that it got out there, somehow, even though it's on Vanguard. dunno. and I wonder about Neil Young, think that'll make top five?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

is "Black Horse and Cherry Tree" really about a horse asking KT to marry him, and she says no?
Yup: Her black horse is Joni Mitchell's Coyote, I figure.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

here's my ballot and welcome to it. the appearance of the second marty stuart album was a surprise to me too, but xhuxk's exhortations on its behalf made me re-listen to it today, and my original take on it -- pretty good but no souls' chapel -- still stands.

TOP TEN COUNTRY ALBUMS OF 2005:
>
> 1. Marty Stuart and His Fabulous Superlatives, Souls' Chapel
> 2. Gary Allan, Tough All Over
> 3. Deana Carter, The Story of My Life
> 4. The Del McCoury Band, The Company We Keep
> 5. Ezequiel Peña, Nuestra Tradición: La Charreria
> 6. Jon Nicholson, A Little Sump'm Sump'm
> 7. Marty Stuart, Badlands
> 8. Freddy Fender & Flaco Jimenez, Dos Amigos
> 9. Dallas Wayne, I'm Your Biggest Fan
> 10. Jessi Alexander, Honesuckle Sweet
>
> TOP TEN COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2005:
>
> 1. Gary Allan, "Best I've Ever Had"
> 2. Jo Dee Messina, "My Give a Damn's Busted"
> 3. Dierks Bentley, "Lot of Leavin' to Do"
> 4. Intocable, "Aire"
> 5. Lee Ann Womack, "I May Hate Myself in the Morning"
> 6. Del McCoury Band, "She Can't Burn Me Now"
> 7. Grupo Montez de Durango, "Quiero Saber de Ti"
> 8. Robbie Fulks, "Georgia Hard"
> 9. Bon Jovi, "Have a Nice Day"
> 10. Carrie Underwood, "Some Hearts"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

whoops, left off lee ann womack from the albums list. oh well, she'll do just fine without my vote. this wouldn't have happened if she hadn't done that stupid song about the way to happiness or whatever.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe I missed something on the RC2K5 thread, but what's yr rationale on the BJ, Haikunym?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

have you heard that song?
it's more country than country
j.b.j. gots twang

i think he and bruce
were more "influential" than
the eagles (or kiss)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, okay, that's what I thought, I just kinda felt that it was more a case of Country drifting towards jbj than vice versa (though in the end, what's the diff?)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

ON THE NOSEY

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

So when is TOM PETTY gonna go country? That seems so natural to me.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

he already did!
all those 'southern accents'?
mike campbell! benmont tench!

plus xhuxk if he did
you would be 'i hate his voice,
it is SO LEADEN'

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, I like Tom's voice (or at least I used to.) He's not leaden; he's nasal. Though I haven't kept up with him the past ten years or so, and wouldn't be surprised if he sings clunkier now than he did then. Anyway, I *know* he's always had country in his sound; that was my point. But has he ever crossed over to CMT? If so, I never noticed.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

did rob sheffield have tom petty the second worst singer of all time? i remember he had billy bragg first i think and that petty was way up there on the list.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(Rob Sheffield, I think, did write once that Tom's one of the worst singers ever, and interestingly, he also put Billy Bragg and Steve Earle up there, both of whom he's right about. He left out Tom Waits, though! What the hell was that about?)

xp!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

This is like my mind-reading thread of all time, wow.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

New here, but hello.

Another bet on Womack to win the country poll; voters just visiting country from a rock place and some pure ND sorts (whatever THAT sort would be) vote out of proportion to those who actually follow country closely, in all polls. When somehting scores on both sides of that fence, as Lee Ann's CD does--put your money there. Gary Allan will do well for similar reasons. (I happen to find both albums very deserving, so no arguments here.)

As for the basis of the riff on Lambert's "Kerosene"; you don't have to look further back than Steve Earle's "I Feel Alright "...But she uses it well!

Barry Mazor (B Mazor), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Barry Mazor!
I have read much of your stuff! Welcome!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Womack seems the likely winner, and Allan will score high. I think everyone overrates the Womack except Xgau (including me, apparently, as she made my list). Xgau, bless his heart, dudded her. I'd like to know his reasons. The certainly could contain the words "tepid" and "respectable."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Bon Jovi and country, here are the ten most-played songs last week on KTYS-FM in Dallas. (Numbers in front are last week's rank, this week's rank; in back are this week's plays, last week's plays, =/-, and reach in millions (of listeners, I assume):

2 1 DIERKS BENTLEY Come A Little Closer 97 93 4 0.8681
1 2 JACK INGRAM Wherever You Are 96 98 -2 0.8678
3 3 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Jesus, Take The Wheel 96 91 5 0.8639
4 4 BILLY CURRINGTON Must Be Doin' Somethin' Right 50 49 1 0.4497
5 5 TOBY KEITH Get Drunk And Be Somebody 48 48 0 0.4289
7 6 RASCAL FLATTS What Hurts The Most 47 42 5 0.4283
6 7 GEORGE STRAIT She Let Herself Go 47 45 2 0.4292
15 8 BON JOVI Who Says You Can't Go Home 33 28 5 0.2968
8 9 LITTLE BIG TOWN Boondocks 32 34 -2 0.2741
9 10 TRENT TOMLINSON Drunker Than Me

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

voters just visiting country from a rock place

That would be me, but I'm actually fairly tepid about the Womack. (And I'm also coming from a disco place, since disco rocks harder than rock; also from a hip-hop place, 'cause hip-hop rocks harder than rock; and a teenpop place, which rocks harder than rock. I guess country rocks harder than rock, too.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

my country/Womack
wish for the new year is: Less
Lee Ann, more Bobby

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

kogan since all yr equations consider 'rock' you're definitely coming from a rock place.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and Europop, which also rocks harder than rock. (Did Rednex get any play on U.S. country stations back in the day?)

Yes, I'm definitely coming from a rock place (though as a wee-un I was coming from a folk place; that's 'cause in 1963, folk rocked harder than rock).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Frank Kogan: Great piece on Bare, I'm gonna get it now!

Such statements always frighten me, as I foresee this follow-up: "OK. Got the Bare. Will never use you as a basis for album purchases in the future."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

my country/Womack
wish for the new year is: Less
Lee Ann, more Bobby

You used to love her, but it's all over now?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

personally i'll take the ronettes over joan baez but to each his own

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd be surprised if Rednex got country RADIO play, but I'm fairly certain that they got country two-step-danceclub play. (I can't remember why I'm so certain about this, though.)

Xgau told me he thought Lee Ann's album was bland; he'd been a fan of "Dance," I think, however. Has he ever liked her otherwise? I think he's also felt both Lee Ann and Deana Carter are overrated, in general. I don't want to put words in his mouth, though.

Am I the only person, by the way, who has trouble thinking of Lee Ann's album as a "roots" move, or whatever people call it? It sounds so pop; I'm not sure she's had a catchier album. Though yeah, obviously, there are throwback string sounds in the production etc. It doesn't *feel* like a throwback album to me, either way. More importantly, though, critics were sent the vinyl version -- So it definitely *looks* like a throwback album to them, if nothing else.


----

Oh wait, here goes:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=lee+ann+womack

http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=deana+carter

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

("I Hope You Dance," I mean. Which I believe made the Pazz & Jop singles chart the year it came out. I still don't think I like it. Though I think I voted for "I'll Think of a Reason Later" one year.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yep, I'm not all that hot on Womack either (Bobby for me too, fly me to the moon in other words). but all right. not sure how anyone could conceive of it as a roots move either, except for a few production touches here and there.

and yeah, Frank, I thought your Bare/Watson piece was dead-on, at least you seem to be in agreement with me re Bare's voice and the general winding-down aspect of "Moon Was." anyway, I give Mark Nevers a lot of credit for that record--he also worked on Silver Jews' "Tanglewood Numbers," altho apparently he and Berman had a disagreement and Berman took the project away from Nevers in the final mixing stages or something. I had always really disliked Silver Jews but damned if I don't like the new one, even voted for it this year. But as with Bare, not so much the songs--altho Bare's Shel Silverstein take is fine, probably the best thing on the record--as the overall sound of it, is what I like about Berman's record. which isn't something I wanna listen to all the time, too painful somehow, but I sure admire it in spite of myself, and I feel the same way about Bare to a much lesser extent.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

More importantly, though, critics were sent the vinyl version

Clever and expensive move. I didn't get the vinyl. Can I have yours?

My favorite thing on the Bare is "Everybody's Talkin"--it's not as good as the original, but not much is. Something in the thick vocal dissipation merges so well with the lyrics and melody. When he hits the chorus, the cumulative effect is impossible, unreal.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

my favorite *bit* on Bare is the coda to "Lucy Jordan," that really seems to sum up the whole approach, the last minute or so of the track.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Christgau frowns on Carter's Everythings Gonna Be All Right. I remember liking that album, more than Shave My Legs I think--it's ambitious and wiley and all over the pop map.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

>I didn't get the vinyl. Can I have yours?<

Hell no, it is beeyootiful!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I got no Womack vinyl and it sure sounded trad to me. Stringy and regret-y and more slow than fast. If it's not trad, then what is?

wernert, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

It's trad-pop, I thought.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Breihan on "Boondocks."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

When wasn't she slow and regrety? I guess that's what I don't get. It's not like Lee Ann was ever a total pop queen before, was she? I kind of figured she had a slightly neotrad bent since the beginning. Or maybe people thought when she crossed over to AC, that was lost? (I'm not arguing; just trying to figure out where the idea came from.)

It's r&b, a lot of it. (But yeah, sure, an old r&b, maybe.) (See also the 100 times I've compared the big hit to "Little Green Apples.") (Which anyway wasn't the kind of country that most neo-trad types embraced, was it? Since when is '70s pop-country considered trad?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(Though "I'll Think of a Reason Later" was neither slow nor regretty, I guess. But I don't think that was very typical of her, even then.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it is retro-neuvo (or, what do they call people like Anthony Hamilton, neo-soul or something? Is there a genre name I'm forgetting?) (And yeah, that's a nostalgia move, in a way, except usually when country hits draw on '70s soul music -- which has happened a lot in the past few years: Brooks and Dunn do it, Faith Hill do it, Toby Keith does it -- people don't call it "trad.")

I am probably overstating her soul influence, but what the hell. (More likely, she's inspired by '70s c&w that was aware of r&b then.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not arguing either, I guess I am just realizing that I am curious at the definition of traditional country. Is it is pre-countrypolitan strings and things? Acoustic? Pedal steel?

wernert, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the packaging had a big part in the traditude of the album.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of '70s country, a reissue of James Talley's *Got No Bread, No Milk, No Money, But We Sure Got a Lot of Love* just came in the mail! I have never heard this before. I almost bought a cheap vinyl copy 20 years ago in Europe somewhere (true story), but passed it up, and have thought many times that may have been a mistake. So far, however, the album is duller than I would have guessed. (I thought I heard he was sort of Western Swing?) But maybe it will grow on me.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

hey xhuxk please explain
how toby keith draws on
70s soul music?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen to "That's Not How It Is," even "Who's Your Daddy."

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm. there's an argument to be made there on both sides, but I don't actually own those songs and I'm listening to earth wind and fire, so i'll come back to it.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, I fairly often hear soul music in the ease and warmth of his phrasing; I'm not sure how else to describe it. And *Shock'n'Y'all* has plenty of funk in its rhythms, too (though again, its real root might be '70s rock that was *aware* of soul). I mean, EWF are great, but they were never the be-all and end-all of the genre (or decade).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Womack's new record doesn't have anything remotely as swirly, huge, anthemic pop-structured as her signature song "I Hope You Dance."

Mike Ireland is a pretty trad-oriented singer/songwriter who really embraces, even obsesses over, elements of '60s-'70s country-pop, and basically approaches them as synecdoches of country tradition, especially the Sherrillian strings.

I think when you nail countrypolitan the way Lee Ann does on the new record, it's a trad move, just not a typical one.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm, there's a reissue of Talley? he's a guy whose records you can find cheap in Nashville, and Christgau wrote approvingly about him in the '70s, right? populist dust-bowl western swing, perhaps? like Asleep at the Wheel with lefty sentiments? I have only heard scattered bits of his stuff, seems like.

and gosh, soul influences all over the place in '70s and '80s country. even more recent songs like George Jones' "I'll Give You Something to Drink About" show it (I just saw this great clip from some kind of George Jones show that aired in the '90s with him doing this song) like they internalized the bass and drums from Hi Records and added some south-of-border flavor to it all. for that matter, Charlie Rich's Hi/Willie Mitchell sessions are pretty amazing, Hank Williams tunes.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

T. Graham Brown was (and is) totally a soul singer; I wonder, if he wasn't white, whether he would have been thought of as country at all.

I'm wondering about Lee Roy Parnell, too, now that I've heard his new one (never heard him before; did he have country hits at one point?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm definitely hearing the "western" in Talley; not sure though where the "swing" is supposed to be, though (definitely not like Asleep at the Wheel had it.) Though yeah, Xgau called it a "homespun Western swing masterpiece," and gave it an A when it came out back in 1975.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

That "trad country" definition has always been subject to evoilution--and always evolved. There were sounds on 1970s mainstream Nashville records that the Womack CD alludes to--which were bringing in soul sounds in everything from mel Street to Tammy Wynette records THEN.

People seem to use "trad country" to mean pre-80s now, a "break" not far from the time, actually, you get the supposedly defining rock/Modern rock break too. Of course, the country sounds of the sixties and seventies were considered by moldy fig types either urbanized sell-outs or bland mistakes then themselves. Even as honky tonk was rejected by lovers of "tradititonal" Acuff and earlier country as too urban, too willing to talk about nasty subjects, and a sell-out when IT came along.

The Womack record largely revives pre-80s sounds. Like Garth never happened. Her music, from the first, referenced and sometimes incorporated honky tonk sounds out of Texas, and much pre-80s twang production and approach, on the ballads especially, I'd say off hand. . The album before this one was simply considered a pop step too far by a lot of people--and that they attenpted to remake LeeAnn's image at the same timemade things worse.

And of course, country music is now and always has been pop music.

This year's record (which for my money, has a very high percentage of strong songs on it), string writing) was a return to the commitment to work in her OWN tradition, essentially. I saw her with a small, tasteful band preview the whole LP live at the Ryman, and the renewed seriousness of COUNTRY intent was unmistakable--at a musical base a lot more sreious than say, Faith Hill scurrying back to get her a "Look; I didn't go Hollywood; I'm just a Mississippi Girl at Heart" shuck. (Womack later did a similar live show on cable--CMT I think.)

At her best monents, I think she's a good a country ballad singer as this generation has; but then, I think Gretchen Wilson is working her way to a strong second in that regard.


No argumento, meanhwile, that the Bobby Bare rceord is generally wonderfu--and lives in a perfect spot between his music and his son's.

(I found this board because Roy Katsen says nice things about it, BTW.And apologize for any of my notorious fast-typing web typos left uncorrected--in advance.)

Barry Mazor (B Mazor), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, I have asked on this board why Gretchen bothers doing ballads.

Faith Hill's most soul music moment is "One" (one of my favorite country singles of the decade.) I kind of hated "Mississippi Girl" until George Smith explained it's basically boogie-rock at heart.

And by the way, welcome, Barry! You should check out that '05 thread, too (and the '04 one, and the No Depression one, and many many more.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Gretchen surely isn't doing the balalds for the big bucks!

Barry Mazor (B Mazor), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Katsen

Barry gives the best typos on the planet!

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never said
that there's no soul in country,
no no no no no

Plus I did not mean
that Earth Wind and Fire was the
soul ne plus ultra

It was just the truth!
And I hear rock but no soul
in Toby Keith's voice

Gary Allan, sure,
many others. (Plus Jessi
Alexander, wow!)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

(I gotta stop doing this haiku shit, it makes me incomprehensible.)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

gretchen does ballads b/c shes damn good at it.
i dont care about the aestetic politics of the womack, but fuck does she have a gorgeous, haunting meloncholy to her voice, its just swoony

anthony, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't hear the soul or the country in Faith Hill's "One"; all I hear is a phrasing nick from Lisa-Lisa's "All Cried Out." I may have to revisit that one.

Joe McCombs, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, if she has proto- (or post? When was "All Cried Out?")-Latin-freestyle in her voice, that's even better!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen to "That's Not How It Is," even "Who's Your Daddy."

When I reviewed Toby I said that that in a better world "That's Not How It Is" would get play on the Urban AC stations. The song seems to split the difference between Isaac Hayes and Robert Cray. It's more an '80s sound than a '70s (though of course Hayes goes back farther than that).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't hear the soul or the country in Faith Hill's "One"

Black-gospel-based r&b-pop not unlike Whitney, Mariah, Toni (which certainly is soul-related and certainly draws on Ray Charles), but actually I hear something countrypolitan in the tone, though I can't put my finger on it, just as there's something countrypolitan in Celine Dion's tone, though whatever it is it was probably derided as one of the things that made countrypolitan "not country."

To confuse matters, I'll point out that "One" has reggaeish touches in the rhythm.

And to confuse matters more, I think that the Whitney-Mariah-Celine-Faith (though not necessarily Toni) thing draws on Streisand and Garland as well as on Charles, not in the sense that some people find Streisand and Garland camp but rather in S-G's showbiz reaching-for-the-sky moments. Welding Charles and Streisand is intriguing to me since you have Charles' deliberately rough and "sincere" melisma and Streisand's shriek-with-the-birds operatics.

This post is written in what one reviewer called "the Chuck Eddy hyphenated style."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

personally i'll take the ronettes over joan baez but to each his own

Yeah, but the Kingston Trio clobber the Tokens.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Bobby Womack's "It's All Over Now" seems very country, while "I Can Understand It" *could* be country (I can imagine Toby, or maybe Delbert, or Shelly, or T. Graham, or Bobby) doing it that way, but so far, it still seems most at home on Nicky Siano's proto-disco comp. It's got the obsessiveness, but not quite the feel. (Ditto Separation Sunday, whose urban hicks probably avoid country, cos it's Grandeaddy's music. They probably hear it down the hall, on the radios of guards and/or orderlies, and they'll hear it some more when they get drafted to incinerate birdflu victims.)So whatever metacountry's on this Ballot,I guarantee it's got the obsessos and the feelies.And I dumped Lee Ann, and Deana too: see Comments as well, at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Thursday, 5 January 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

don's ballot rulez & makez my head zpin.
and i am a freakin idiot for many reasons but tonight it's for forgetting about Dixie Chicks and Robert Randolph.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 5 January 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Roy; I added some stuff after I sent it to Geoff, and I just now added a little more. The Chicks and Robert (who better be on their Rick Rubin album) debuted this song on the "Shelter From The Storm" TV benefit concert for hurricane victims, which was also where I heard live versions of Aaron Neville's covering "Louisiana 1927" (song of the year; "they're trying to wash us away" covers a whole lotta ground), and Mary J. Blige doing U2's "One." Which is also on her new album, but I haven't heard it (have y'all?), so I just listed that and Aaron's live shot in P&J, rather than Scene. Cos I figure he just wants *actual* singles of my choices, which the Chicks and Robert actually provided, so they made both ballots (and the ILM Poll as well, I think; done so many of these lately.) If I'd bent his rules, I also would have listed Terri Clark's late '94-issued Gtst. Hits, and a promo-only sampler from the Fonotone box set, which has some dynamic jug band tracks, courtesy Jolly Joe (Bussard, that is),and a great, droning, druggy, commanding "Some Summer Day Day No.2," by the Mississippi Swampers, AKA John Fahey and Mike Stewart. One of Fahey's earliest recordings. These are 78s, all made between 1956 and 1969! At least some of them are folkies at fantasy camp, fantasy clinic, even (as in clinical, not krayzee), and it's on the Direct To Dust label, who delivered unto us the Goodbye Babylon box, which I've yet to work my way through, but some of that is very good, even to me, and so is some of this (sampler, anyway).

don, Thursday, 5 January 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Don's ballot made me think of a few things:
That George and Dolly duet was from this(last) year? I saw George Jones back in, um, October, I think, and his voice was just awful...though it sounded more like he had a cold than was actually NOT ABLE TO SING, but when he did "Blues Man" the corny A/V presentation showed the video (off-time), but GJ's lady back up singer (the same one he's had for at least 15 yrs) sang Dolly's part. It probably woulda been fine (it was towards the end of the concert, and G's voice had warmed up a lot by then) if not for the fact that we weren't constantly reminded that we could be at home, watching CMT, and hearing fit-George and Dolly singing this song.

Also, has anyone seen Tanya Tucker lately? I saw her last summer (pre-reality show) and she totally blew my mind (mind you, this was at an outdoor country festival, 2nd day--so I was drunkx2 and had only a hour earlier been charmed by Mel Tellis). She's coming back on a soft-seat/arena tour (soft-seat in my town, arena in the next, go fig) in the spring, and I'm pretty jazzed.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The James Talley reissue does after all have a swing, but it's a light swing, for the most part -- still closer to the Sons of Pioneers than the Texas Playboys, near as I can tell. But yeah, the musicians do jazz it up a little. Talley's voice is really plain-- a progenitor of alt-country, maybe? -- but with warmth, somehow, and not strained or restrained. His voice *sounds* more like Hank Williams than any alt-country guy I've ever heard; I wish I knew the words to explain why, exactly. But there's plenty of '70s folkie singer songwriter in him, too. I like him, just not sure how much yet. (My favorite song so far is a rememberance of a grocey store in Mehan, Oklahoma, when he was 5, but now the town's all boarded up.)

I was reading from this book last night, *Southwest Shuffle: Pioneers of Honky-Tonk, Western Swing, and Country Jazz* by Rich Kienzle. Horrifying chapter about Spade Cooley; I don't know if I'd ever heard the details before about *how* he killed his wife (in front of their 14 year old daughter, who he also threatened if she told anybody) -- totally gruesome, but it makes me curious to pull back out my Spade Cooley album. Which I never liked as much as, say, the Milton Brown and his Brownies or Roy Newman and his Boys or Smokey Wood albums I've got, maybe because (as Kienzle writes) Cooley's innovation was also working California "sweet" music and even classical parts into western swing's varying hillbilly/swing/bebop/blues/polka/Mex/pop
hybrid -- my guess is, that probably made Cooley less funky and frantic than these guys I like more, but I want to make sure. Jeez, though, what a creepy man. I doubt anybody in my record collection has ever done anything more evil...Anyway, what's really interested me so far in Kienzle's book was how, in the intro, he talks about how, inititally, country music in the 20s was a conscious attempt (idea from record company/radio barn dance execs) to fabricate rural nostalgia, so they at first insisted on keeping instruments that would make the music sound less "pure" (drums, horns, electric guitars) out of it, and that purity pretty much became the standard in the southeast, especially out of urban areas like Nashville and Atlanta -- that is, especially in fundamentalist puritan protestant backwaters throughout the region. But the Catholic Irish/German/ Polish populations in Cincinnati, Chicago, and St. Louis insisted on mixing up country with polkas, hence making it more danceable, and the mix (see above) was even more open-ended in Texas, Oklahoma, and on to Hollywood. So keeping country undanceable, keeping it free of unsavory ethnic influences (including black ones and "urban" ones in general) was in some ways, seemingly, a puritan, even (probably) racist impulse (though I don't think Kienzle uses that word), but also a commercial impulse since the purity was country's inentionally fabricated selling point to begin with. (I.e., purity didn't arise naturally. How this connects to Emmett Miller and Jimmie Rodgers and all the subsequent white guys singing blues in the '20s and '30s I'm not sure - was that stuff *not* considered country then? Or just not saleable? Or was it just really marginal? Or what? Rodgers was obviously a huge star, right?) Anyway, I'm wondering whether one could trace the "pure country" vs. "eclectic country" dichotomy across decades, from then til now. I've always suspected insisting on keeping dance music or pop music out of c&w was a puritan impulse, and this says it was from the start. There's a big story in between.

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

(Idea was also apparently to keep country *lyrically* pure; i.e., free of drinking and cheating and bad-man songs; Hank and subsequent Texas honky-tonkers then outlaws put an end to that. Interesting, too, how the original nostalgia theme repeats the nostalgia theme inherent in late 19th century minstrel music, too -- i.e, carry me back to dee old Virginny plantation, when times was good.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

A caption between a photo in the book also reminded me that I really liked George Strait's version of Bob Wills's "Big Balls in Cowtown" a few years ago. (See also, AC/DC: "Some balls are held for charity,
And some for fancy dress, But when they're held for pleasure,
They're the balls that I like best.")

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

>The James Talley reissue does after all have a swing, but it's a light swing, for the most part -- still closer to the Sons of Pioneers than the Texas Playboys, near as I can tell.<

Or maybe not. I'm hearing more of the swing every time I play this thing; it's just really subtle, is all. First song is called "W. Lee O'Daniel and the Light Crust Dough Boys," which band name is clearly a Western Swing reference in and of itself.

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

And he only sounds like Hank in a couple songs. And his voice isn't as plain as I thought. And "Calico Gypsy" swings just lovely. Etc.

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

(I.E., "Blue Eyed Ruth and My Sunday Suit" is a blatant Hank tribute, all the way up to the lonely-big-dog-howling-at-moon-moving-in high notes. I'd almost believe it was a cover version, but I guess not.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Talley can sneak up on you; see my comments on your Where Is The Love For These Albums from My "T" shelf thread (and o course see robertchristgau.com for how he could seem when first emerging, in the mid-70s, you know those was diffrent times. Hank didn't sing much about drankin' ("much less enjoying it, as I put it in my Hank Jr./Hank III Voice piece, now more quickly available at http://MyVil.blogspot.com/ ). He did sing about YOUR cheatin' heart, and the wages of that, but didn't go into gorey details, well-worked angles that became commonplace later. He was, apparently, according to Escott's bio, against having his stuff swung, explicity, although he didn't abstain from tunes that were implicitly swingy or catchy. Western Swing has long had a following here in the Southeast, but I dunno know if that was true back in its heyday, although my father, who was a clarinet player back then (in the 40s, I mean; Bob and the big band thing were never the same after WWII), liked Western Swing, but remember Swing was *the* thing for quite a while, and Bob was making that Yankee urban (and yes, Jewish Benny Goodman, Black Many Others) more palatable to some, and more available to all, since not too much live, first rate entertainment out in those wide open spaces, which was a good reason for working the west so much. More palatble, and also "taking it back," as some prob saw it, re those who thought of as local music (from Swiss Alp, TX, etc). So, reactionary enough for some as it was progressive for others (sound familiar?) And Eric Lott's Love And Theft describes how minstrelsy could involve some uppity, manic humor and overall fascination with the (warped, funhouse view of) the source material: not progressive, but a fascination that may have some how made less (or more complicatedly) racist musical tendencies more acceptable, for being more commonplace etc.

don, Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course, Wills could also be seen as sucessor to the travelling Southeastern songster, which, as Bob Palmer pointed out,is also the trad that Hank came from: a mixed bag of music ("Lovesick Blues," adapted[see Bob Dylan's Chronicles for a good description of the modification] from Emmett Miller's version, which was a Tin Pan Alley song originally, and member EM recorded with the Dorseys, Jimmie R. with Louis Armstrong). From the Other side, Mississippi Sheiks sought crossover to Rodgers' more affluent and "less fractious" audience (according to booklet of their Stop + Listen). Robert Johnson is said to have played popular hits, and started to write some, "Red Hot" being the only recorded example, I guess. All unified by "blues is a feeling, " pretty much (good time, bad time, old/nostalgia time blues).Inc. the blues and jazz elements that bluegrass drew on as it travelled (another magnet for reactionaries and progressives at the time, though some mountainists weren't and aren't having any)

don, Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, has anyone seen Tanya Tucker lately?

Not me, but Mazor gives her new concert DVD Tanya Tucker Live at Billy Bob's Texas (Smith Music Group) a thumbs up in the new ND.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Jimmie Rodgers was a pretty big star; Emmett Miller was not, since he was a throwback to minstrelsy to begin with. Miller's heyday was really brief. altho he recorded with Eddie Lang, the great white guitarist, right? who also recorded with Bing Crosby. the question I have is this: who was really considered a "white blues singer" before the 1960s? was that even an idea that people entertained?

I'll have to read the "Southwest Shuffle" book, because the diff between "country" in "protestant backwaters" and country in Cinci, St. Louis, Chicago, Texas/Oklahoma and out to California seems to explain, or open up, a lot of stuff that I think is really essential. and today, I think the tension between California-ized ideas of "country" and what Nashville thinks it is--it also seems really basic to me.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Big N Rich seen playing outside the Rose Bowl yesterday. Lee Ann Rimes, inside. Yecch on the latter. Too many renditions of the star-spangled banner and god bless america and the same fireworks multiple times. But the B1 bomber lighting the afterburners over Pasadena was neat. Boy am I tired of god having to bless everything.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

> who was really considered a "white blues singer" before the 1960s?<

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:ncex97qjkrjt

http://www.oldblues.net/music/yazoo/yazoorecord/10241-1.jpg

The latter is a great Yazoo comp called "Mr. Charlie's Blues."

On the other hand, were they considered "blues singers" when they actually existed, or only in retrospect? I honestly have no idea.

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I also don't see why you can't toss in Dock Boggs, the Allen Brothers, the Anglin Brothers, Uncle Dave Macon, early (pre cowboy music) Gene Autry, or even...hell, Hoagy Carmichael, maybe. Or into the '50s, Harmonica Frank Floyd? Better ask Greil about that one.

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

white blues singer before the 60s? Mose Allison, a white Jewish guy from the Delta,was and is a blues singer, with a 50s progressive jazz piano style, and an attitude at times. A forerunner of Newman, and I think Dylan mentioned him, but he's from the cool school,class of polite insolence: it's a Southern thing, and what the largely Southern US Army correctly pegs as "insubordination of manner.")But that's the delivery; the songs themselves can be pretty pissed off, like The Who demonstrated with their version of "Young Man Blues," and ditto young Bonnie Raitt covering "Everybody Cryin'Mercy." Pace xgau,Van Ronk did record at least one Delta blues song (more like a regular Delta song, except there aren't any) Mose's "One of these days, gonna get myself straight, stop runnin' round with jailbait. Next week, we gonna get organized." Word!He can be bland, though. Amy's Dad. (no connection between those last 2 sentences meant)

don, Friday, 6 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Jack Teagarden was a popular, white, Southwestern-souding blues-singer/jazz player too; good trombonist. oh yeah, retrieved from prised-open original Nash Scene Ballot file: newly posted (now the second graf) comments on McMurty's Simple Things--for those just now joining us, it's at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Friday, 6 January 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

>white blues singer before the 60s? >

Another one: Tennessee Ernie Ford, whose proto-rock'n'roll (esp "Sixteen Tons") was huge in the years before Elvis. He was, along with Moon Mullican (who he worked with) one of the country-boogie missing links between western swing and rockabilly; tracks like "Shotgun Boogie" and "Blackberry Boogie" are totally raucous. But he also did really did blues stuff like "Dark as a Dungeon" (about coal-mining, and morbidly appropriate this week, sad to say.)

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Allison, I liked Blue Cheer's version of "Parchman Farm" back in the day (though not enough to prevent me from selling the alb, eventually; wonder what I'd think of it now). Anyhow, they're version definitely seemed aligned with Mose's, somehow.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I'll go with Mose Allison. that's a good choice. but Teagarden (whom I listen to all the time), wasn't he considered a jazz singer? I mean what I was trying to get at is the distinction between "jazz" and "blues" singing, did people before the '60s make that distinction? was there even such a thing as a blues singer (in the popular imagination--blues was really underground before about 1960 or so when Fahey and Calt and those guys rousted Skip James and Son House out of their obscurity, and yep, Van Ronk [who learned guitar from Gary Davis, a North Carolina Piedmont guitar virtuoso--just got thru reading Van Ronk's excellent autobiography, w/ help from Elijah Wald] certainly straddled the line between folk and blues really fruitfully in the NYC scene of the early '60s) before then, besides folks like Bessie Smith, Mamie Smith, et al? Tennessee Ernie Ford I like, and I love Moon Mullican, who I think was an influence on Jerry Lee. I think the distinctions are kinda silly myself, but I still wonder when the public (and writers, yeah) started calling white people "blues singers." who was the first writer to call Elvis a blues singer, as opposed to the "hillbilly cat" or whatever it was he was called initially?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to have a Moon Mullican album, ordered (like lots of my pre-60s music vinyl) through Downhome Music or the Rounder catalog or somewhere when I was in the Army, but I stupidly purged tons of that stuff from my shelves when I moved from Michigan to Philly in the late '80s-- I also had an excellent vinyl country-boogie comp LP on Charly or Ace or something. Anyway, I'd be really surprised if he *wasn't* an influence on Jerry Lee, piano-wise. The song I most remember by him is "Seven Nights to Rock," covered by Elizabeth McQueen on her album last year. She says she learned it from a late '80s DC pub rockish band called the Neptunes, and that Nick Lowe also covered it once, but I never heard those versions. Any idea whose version is most famous? Before McQueen's, I think Moon Mullican's might be the only one I ever heard. Great song, though, no matter what.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

tom breihan on CMT and race:


http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2006/01/country_music_g_1.php

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I was idly flipping channels last night, and came upon a Tim McGraw special that went on and on about his '94 hit "Indian Outlaw" and the outrage it provoked from Wilma Mankiller of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma and other Native American spokespersons/writers. I remember hearing about this whole flap from a friend of mine in Memphis, of Cherokee heritage, who wrote books on the vexed relationship between Indians and whites, and I even think Vine DeLoria Jr., a Native American thinker/author ("God Is Red") I worked with when I lived in Denver (and who died last year) talked about it to me once when he found out I was from Nashville. like, no, Vine, I had *nothing to do with it!* I can't see "Indian Outlaw" as anything but a stupid song myself--it basically broke McGraw into radio--and I guess it illustrates one aspect of Nashville side-stepping more pressing racial problems, maybe. and Mike Curb's willingness to do anything to sell a record, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I just thought it was a crazed fantasy, and/or a takeoff on same, re white Southern "oh yeah honey I got some Injun blood (butt not too much)" jive. Which Leslie Satcher may or may not have been sending way up in de middle ob de air, so Gretchen could race a gaudy "Chariot" in heaven with her Injun granpaw.(Which G. may actually have.)But if I had one, I might not be so amused (by Tim, anyway). Nick Tosches' Country, and some of his other early books, have good info about Moon, Spade, etc. Wasn't so easy to dig all that stuff up before the CD Revolution started spewing it out. xxhuxx, do you like "16 Tons" composer Merle Travis? One of those guys with mad chops and a good sense of humor as well as good s.o.serious (not so many guys with all of that).

don, Saturday, 7 January 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

But what I meant to say about the songster et al was that surely there were tons of songs with "blues" in the title and the lyrics, and lots of people who had blues in their repetoire (oh lawd), and some who made a good living specializing in it, but as far as who (especially white singers) were *called* blues singers, guess we'd have to go back to for inst Paul Oliver's Story Of The Blues, Charles Keil, etc, which means I'd have to go back the library, which is closed tonight. But I always noticed, working in record stores down here, that when older(and some younger) black people asked for "blues," they might mean B.B.King, or they might mean Smokey Robinson. And B.B.'s career started about the same time r&b did, and he and Bobby Blue Bland and Nat King Cole and early black rockers played in a lot of the same clubs back then, and I wonder now if "blues" and "rhythm & blues" weren't popularized (finally in a merchandising-standardized usage) for retail purposes at about the same time, or maybe one (slightly?) followed the other, to distinguish, maybe "blues" became a subgenre term *after* rhythm & blues? Some artists shied away from both terms, and from "jazz."(All those,of course, replaced earlier marketing categories like "race records" and "coon songs," but the same kind of coding,in a way.)Anyway, Clarence Carter and Latimore hit Montgomery Jan.14, and I'm going!I hope.

don, Saturday, 7 January 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

edd

i am in the middle of reading deloria for the book, can you tell me more about his work in relation to pop culture, i only know him as (a radical, important and cogent) theologian.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean what I was trying to get at is the distinction between "jazz" and "blues" singing, did people before the '60s make that distinction? was there even such a thing as a blues singer (in the popular imagination--blues was really underground before about 1960 or so when Fahey and Calt and those guys rousted Skip James and Son House out of their obscurity, and yep, Van Ronk [who learned guitar from Gary Davis, a North Carolina Piedmont guitar virtuoso--just got thru reading Van Ronk's excellent autobiography, w/ help from Elijah Wald] certainly straddled the line between folk and blues really fruitfully in the NYC scene of the early '60s) before then, besides folks like Bessie Smith, Mamie Smith, et al?

Edd, I'm not making sense of this passage, especially the statement "blues was really underground before about 1960 or so when Fahey and Calt and those guys rousted Skip James and Son House out of their obscurity." Interestingly enough, a couple of months ago I read Elijah Wald's Escaping the Delta: Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues, and the impression I got was that "blues", not "jazz," was the basic name for nearly all black popular music between the wars that featured singers rather than instrumental soloists. So a lot that we might in retrospect be calling black pop or rhythm and blues or jazz was all lumped together under the name "blues"; and the reason so much of this stuff is no longer called blues is that starting with John Hammond, white people tended to narrow the definition of "blues." And (if I am remembering/understanding Wald correctly), the broad usage of the term "blues" by black people carried over into the forties and fifties, so if you were to ask a black person in those decades to name a blues musician, they'd name someone like Louis Jordan or Dinah Washington. Blues was not underground, even if Skip James and Son House (who'd never been stars in the first place) were underground. The people Don mentioned - B.B. King, Nat King Cole, Bobby Blue Bland, et al. - were all called blues singers and were all popular black entertainers, as of course were Big Boy Crudup, Junior Parker, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Big Joe Turner but also a whole bunch of West Coast guys with smoother styles who've therefore been written out of history. A gentle smooth number like Chuck Berry's "Wee Wee Hours" would have been considered blues every bit as much as something like "Hoochie Coochie Man." So your original question about the difference or nondifference between jazz and blues singing is on the mark, but from the other side, as it were.

As for Teagarden - yes, I've heard him referred to as a jazz guy, but who knows what he was referred to in his time? (And what about Louis Prima?) The fact that Elvis veered more towards Junior Parker and Big Boy Crudup and Kokomo Arnold than towards the Carter Family - whose material probably wasn't altogether different from those blues guys'; didn't they do their own equivalent to "Mystery Train"? - may be why someone may have called him blues, if anybody did.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago) link

One really fascinating point that Wald makes is that most histories say the first blues recording was one by Mamie Smith in 1920, but in fact there'd been a whole bunch of songs with "blues" in the title from 1916 onward, and they were at least as blues as Smith's was - she was in New York, after all. The reason that the history books don't cite these earlier blues recordings is that the performers were white!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Frank, what I should've said--and I didn't, since I had already brought up the subject of *white* blues singers--is that blues was underground to white people before about 1960. and true, BB King and Louis Jordan were popular, but the blues of the '20s and '30s was really obscure even to most blacks, right? so I suppose it's the old thing about varying definitions of blues, as Wald gets at well in his book. I think the distinction between singers and instrumentalists re "blues" gets at it well, too. I think the thing that perhaps is easy to forget is how fucking obscure something like Crudup's "That's All Right" or for that matter Jr. Parker's "Mystery Train" was to most white people in 1954, I mean unless you lived in Memphis and was very, very hip and prescient (and, most likely, poor) how on earth would you know about such things? which is the genius of Elvis and all those people who weren't bound by class and who were able to get at it. again, it gets back to the original question: when the rockabillies were doing their thing, did people think of it as "blues" (which basically it was) or just as some crazy low-rent white people going crazy? when did everyone *realize* all the connections?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked "Indian Outlaw" when it came out; still have the CD single around here somewhere. It was, to my knowledge, one of the first '90s pop-country hits to have a dance remix (which actually didn''t improve on it much); its interpolation of the Raiders' "Indian Reservation" was also real cool. But yeah, its stereotypes were idiotic, and understandably offensive if you're offended by such things. (One of the best things about the record is that it and Tim's dad Tug inspired a great Chief Nokahoma joke by turkey-shooting Xgau.) Also, it was a *novelty* song, so at first (a la Beck with "Loser" and Eminem with "My Name Is") McGraw (who like Eminem and Beck had put out earlier music not many people had heard, I think) just seemed like a one-hit novelty artist at the time; I doubt anybody would have guessed he'd soon have a long career as a major artist (which, in McGraw's case, didn't really kick in til a few years later, right?) Anyway. I never saw the TV special about the controversey, but I did notice that, by some odd coincidence or maybe not (a brilliantly organized writing campaign?) both the Voice and Time Out New York printed multiple letters this week complaining about use of the derogatory word "squaw" in headlines (not of music reviews, though.) One letter to the Voice was written by Deborah Iyall of Romeo Void! I wonder if she heard that great cover of "Never Say Never" by Slunt last year.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

And no, Don, I've never investigated Merle Travis at all. I should. And yeah, I totally miss those pre-CD/internets days when reissues weren't everyfuckingwhere you looked and inevitably box-set-sized monstrosities too daunting to listen to; I liked them being one-LP vinyl secrets from all these little labels you had to order through the mail. That was fun. For me, I think, the reissuee boom really kicked in with some Slim Harpo LP and 4 Bob Wills Tiffany Transcriptions ones I ordered in, I dunno, '83 or so? '84? Somewhere in there.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, Clarence Carter/Latimore is sold out already! But they just annouced it! Oh well, I just scored a library discard of one of the best books I ever checked out; one of the funniest, also good serious, great chops (as with Merle T.): Tom T. Hall's The Storyteller's Nashville. I had recently noticed good prices on hardback copies at Amazon, so check it out that way, if you don't see it at library yall.

don, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, according to the definitive 1995 K-Tel dance-country compilation CD *Country Kickers,* the proper country line dance to do to Clarence Carters's "Strokin'" is the "sleazy slide." Other popular dances include "the earthquake" (for Ronnie Milsap's "Earthquake"), the "scoot" or "freeze" (for the Oak Ridge Boys's "Elvira"), the "reggae cowboy" (for the Bellamy Brothers' "Get Into Reggae Cowboy"). the "cotton eyed joe" (for Isaac Payton Sweat's "Cotton Eyed Joe," and I bet for Red Nex's too), the "barndance mixer" (for Robert Ellis Orral's "Boom! It Was Over"), and, uh, the "2 step" (for my favorite song on the album, "Midnight Girl in a Sunset Town" by Sweethearts of the Rodeo, who I know nothing else about, and I just realized I should do some research on). I don't know how to do any of these dances, and I also do not know if they have been supplanted in the decade since by other dances. Also, did "Strokin'" ever actually hit the country chart? I don't know.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the real question here
is which thread will be longer,
this one or teenpop

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)

According to AMG, neither "Strokin'" nor any other Clarence Carter song charted country.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 8 January 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Teenpop starts with a strong burst, but country trots gamely forward. (I assume country, in that there's a lot more of it. But teenpop always has great controversy potential and attracts some fo the guys who just can't stop fighting each other.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

you were right about the kelly clarkson song, but i think that the best proof of its country tendencies is its obsessive seeking of solution wrt domestic melodrama

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

teenpop attracts which guys who can't stop fighting each other? Like in New Edition? Rivals at Christina Conventions? (Not that I would know about that firsthand, but have heard tell.)Sounds more like a country song scenario, but I'm stereotyping the stereotypes too much, no doubt. Information, please!(But then we must get back to country, and yes Anthony, obsessiveness is part of my country criteria too, but Hope *sounds* more country than Kelly, although Kelly's got shirtgrabbing crises, and I wish I'd worked her into my P&J, like I listed Hope as one of the best new talents in country, crossing over for good, I hope, now that she needs a new label, although signing with a country "major" now might be liking signing on to the Titantic)

don, Sunday, 8 January 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean the teenpop threads, Don.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(a brilliantly organized writing campaign?) both the Voice and Time Out New York printed multiple letters this week complaining about use of the derogatory word "squaw" in headlines (not of music reviews, though.) One letter to the Voice was written by Deborah Iyall of Romeo Void!

Gotta be the case. Last time I saw her on TV she lives in one of the pit desert towns on California, making it hard to believe she'd care what the Voice publishes unless it was pointed out with the admonition to launch a protest. So please to remove "lock 'n' loll"
from that review, y'know.

You'll want to be on the lookout for Copperhead's "Live & Lost." Southern rock band with guitar density equiv to "Big Boss Man" by the Headhunters. (Although the copperhead is the northern Pennsylvania strain of the eastern cottonmouth, or water moccasin, so maybe they should have called themselves, Massassauga, the native American name for it and risked getting picketed.) Listening to it repeatedly convinced me my dislike of bands like the Drive By-Truckers is legitimate. Tunes-wise, it has
some good ones although the titles make you think "dreck."

And it has no relationship with the stoner rock contingent that tries
to regularly pass itself off as southern rock or influenced by Skynyrd/ZZ/blah-blah, anything classic rock to get you to listen to the same old horribly bowdlerized Sabbath ribs (and if you think this means I'm talking about The Sword, a contender for most foolish and annoying Texas band I heard late last year, you're right).

Killer version of "Whiskey & Mama" and it's not even the second or third best song on the disc. "Keepin' On" would be great for CMT and all of it would be like Keith Urban if Urban turned up the guitar,
added a loud organ and sounded as classic rocker who rides a motorcycle as he looks. Vocals don't sound Urban, they sound Ricky Medlocke.

Funny, these days I'm getting the best sounds off the frustrated and desperate vanity pressings distributed by CD Baby. If you can sift them on-line, not at CD Baby proper [and I'm not giving away my patented trade secret on how to do it, sorry, although ask private] there are surprises surprisingly easy to find. Which you can't locate via Google or by reading webzines, although -after- you find them, you can track down one or two reviews, almost always on web-only publications in Europe in foreign languages where they are still big on US classic rock. [Thanks Google "translate this page" tab.]

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

again, it gets back to the original question: when the rockabillies were doing their thing, did people think of it as "blues" (which basically it was) or just as some crazy low-rent white people going crazy? when did everyone *realize* all the connections?

I think a lot of DJs were making the connections as soon as they heard the rockabilies' records; likewise some of the less up-tight press. Guralnick cites a Billboard review of "Good Rockin' Tonight" from Fall 1954: "Elvis Presley proves again that he is a sock new singer with his performances on these two oldies. His style is both country and r.&b. and he can appeal to pop." And another Billboard review from December 1954: "...the hottest piece of merchandise on the...Louisiana Hayride at the moment is Elvis Presley, the youngster with the hillbilly blues beat." Not exactly visionary criticism but kinda accurate. (We should collectively vow to reintroduce the adjective "sock" to the rock crit lexicon.)

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

alt.country goodness:
Patty Hurst Shifter's new disc
sounds like late dBs

if Pete Holsapple
was really Paul Westerberg,
and was on steroids

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Which explains why I didn't care for it. Not enough oomph and they sent me TWO copies. Yikes. I can see people who liked the dBs and prob'ly the Chris Stamey Experience album I heard last year would like it, though.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Patty Hurst Shifter record pretty well; the hidden track is a cover from the great lost Replacements MTV Unplugged album--a cigarette the lead singer tries to throw out the van window starts a fire in the back seat trash and becomes a pyre for rock & roll sweet sister mercy. so corny it's great.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Just doesn't rock. I kept expecting their song called "Acetylene" to shower sparks and it never did.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

but it is not rock,
it's just pop with country twang
and fuzz distortion!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 8 January 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks for that info, Roy. sock.

so, saw the Townes Van Zandt documentary last night. very sad, very troubling. you get the sense that VZ was this still figure around which the normal world whirled, and in everything he said there was this catch, this pause, before he smiled in the most fatalistic way possible. yet I found him very funny indeed, and I found myself admiring the way he simply didn't seem to care about fame, money, backup singers...and although I admire Guy Clark's music, I have to say that if there's an award for "enabler," it seems to me Guy Clark might well get it, as he lived with Van Zandt and seemed to idolize him beyond all reason. the creepiest moments came with Nashville DJ Ralph Emery, who was, uh, taken aback a bit by Townes. and it was even creepier when VZ played his big hit "Pancho and Lefty" on some Nashville Now TV show complete with goopy backup singers and band; he sounded neutered, out of it. but when Townes played Lightnin' Hopkins he seemed most himself, to my ears, so maybe the thing is that he was really a bluesman as well as a songwriter's songwriter...I haven't totally decided yet just how great a songwriter he was, some of what he did falls into my blind spots, but he was damned good, if not "the world's greatest songwriter" (I mean, Randy Newman?). so, fine film, even though it seemed to lay Townes's later problems on electroshock therapy and seemed to gloss over any other tendencies by saying that "Townes was the kind of kid you find in every family who could get anyway with anything, and who didn't care about all his advantages."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

On the "advantages" point: Does the movie explain what happened to his inheritance?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Thinking about Lou Rawls and country this morning. There's his great version of Loudermilk's "Tobacco Road" from that live album, and the early gospel recordings, but that's all that comes to mind. Did he ever try Western Swing, either in substance or allusive style? He did "Gentle on My Mind" (but I haven't heard it). He always seems more up-town than country soul, but I'm probably forgetting something obvious.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

only thought of him
in relation to country
for his gospel stuff

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey so when I first listened to this new Elvin Bishop CD *Gettin' My Groove Back* on Blind Pig last summer, I thought "so what", but now it's sounding totally funky, waddaya know? Plus the instrumental cover of "Sweet Dreams" by Don Gibson is quite gorgeous. In one song Elvin rolls through the land with a booty-kickin band, in one he wrote with Steve Miller he parties til the cows come home, and a there's a shuffle about his toilet-bowl-drinking old dog and a gumbo boogie about New Orleans (recorded and released pre-Katrina, if my memory serves.) Plus the guitars get hefty fairly frequently, too.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I believe ribs (the kind you eat) get mentioned in TWO songs.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

This guy has the best name of any country artist ever!!

http://home.comcast.net/~eddycee28/

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Boo, no free mp3s. But the CD is only $5.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

*Does the movie explain what happened to his inheritance?*

no, I don't remember that it did. it seemed a bit hazy and incomplete on his family history, actually. and it seemed to gloss over the conflict over the rights to his music (between Eggers and his family), too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

listening to this Memphis-produced post-alt-country album today, Amy LaVere's "This World Is Not My Home," which has Jim Dickinson and Paul Taylor (who played bass with the Dickinson brothers in a band called DDT way back before they went jam-band, or rather, he played with them with they were jam-band but with real jam-band material, like the Allmans's "Hot 'Lanta) playing on it. I expected to not like it at all, but I kinda do. her voice is a bit little-girl, but sexy, and hints at soul, somehow. songwriting not first-rate, but there are two songs I quite admire: the opener, which is sort of a Ribot/Tom Waits snake-slither, and one called "Nightingale," which is really nice and minimalist, lots of overdubbed pedal steel and guitars. other tunes hint at good Doug Sahm, and there are a couple nice 6/8 country-soul-atmospheric ballads, too. she plays upright bass too. if she had something to really sing *about* it'd be great, material is definitely a problem. but I like the sound of it, and quite enjoy the hokey and honky approach to old-tyme country music. and in her live show, she covers Koko Taylor, Hank Williams and some real obscure Carla Thomas tunes, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been enjoying that LaVere record too.
A friend just sent me 6 mixed CDs of choice and sometimes obscure country soul tunes. Carla Thomas doing "I'm Lonesome I Could Cry" is killing me right now. I'd never heard it before.


Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i really want an ysi of that

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The Patty Hurst Shifter guy sounds kinda like David Gray, teh "Bably, one" guy. I heard part of a live radio session with Gray band once, not so bad, and he and this guy have a certain gray cool; he's not as boring with some of these grayer lines,as a lot of other guys with similar approaches are. I guess he'd fit into the countrybluespolitan sector of my Ballot comments, which I just added some more too (Keith Urban compared to Harry Connick Jr. and Chet Baker, and if Stan Getz had sung, I would have mentioned him too: whitebread with wailin' axe, though Keith's axe doesn't get enough room on most of his tracks, which I guess is John Mayer's thought too, with his new Trio)(also this bluescountrypolitan, or bluespolitan graf now refers back to the "Howdy Ma'am" thing about Hot Apple Pie and Billy Currington [who knows to have a smoove-r&b-related discreet groove on his better tracks]). Also mention of Edd's goodun on Gary Allan at end, and corrected speling of "Allan" all throughhttp://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/ (Frank's Bare heap good too. xpost Elvin: think it was Hog Heaven, where he had Maria Muldaur and Amos Garrett singing and picking along with him; real good.)

don, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, re Patty Hurst Shifter (what does that name mean?) and power pop: kind of an interesting discussion of country and power pop on that thread xxhuxx started, think the title had to do with that guide to power pop he bought from a homeless guy in St. Mark's Place?

don, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think the name means much, but it's a play on "hearst shifter," which is a gear head term for a cool manual transmission stick.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago) link

YSI-ed it to your gmail, Anthony.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i got it, and i was amazed, thank you

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

what about the Urban/Nicole Kidman romance? I saw something on this on E! or somewhere like that. will it last longer than Chesney/Zellweger? me, I'd go for Naomi Watts! and, is Urban nothing more than our era's answer to David Carradine? with a pretty great guitar technique and a sort of dazed response to his own fame? when will Robert Altman do "Nashville 2" and cast Urban, Kidman, Watts, Toby Keith, Blake Shelton (as the good guy) and Sara Evans (in a frenzied reprise of the famous Parthenon-shooting scene at the end of the original)? just think what a gaggle of actors with zero knowledge of country music could make of today's scene, as our answer to Henry Gibson--Paul Giamatti, Alec Baldwin, Benecio Del Torro...?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

So the iTunes free single of the week is Jace Everett, "Bad Things." I've listened to it 5 times and I'm not feeling it. Reverbaholics will dig the guitars and there's one cool little organ break but the S&M atmospherics are neither sexy nor especially creepy. The lyric is slight, almost non-existent, and as a confession of a lonely dude's dark side it still sounds repressed, or rather trying too hard to be unrepressed, as if, given the chance, the worst the singer could do would be to suck on "your" toes while playing the bootleg DVD of Brokeback Mountain with the sound down.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

That would be close enough to the worst for me, if not for "me," thanks.Edd, do you mean Sara as the Loretta figure? I'd like to see her bring xtian xtasy to the choirleader's part, and let Naomi go Loretta (I'm sure she'd be *committed* to the role heh). But who would Toby play? The assassin? There has only been one Shelly Duvall,ever, especially in those undies (sigh).I bet Nicole would think she could freak out like Loretta, since she played Virginia Woolf. (Albeit with a fake schnozz, but that was the suspense; would it fall off when she freaked out?) And next, in an even more dramatic defiance of genetics, she will BE Diane Arbus! (I just read it.)There was a tribute to the Nashville soundtrack, but Keith wasn't on it, alas.

don, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, speaking of bluescountrypolitan, I just saw a one-reeler on CMT, with the Mound City Blue Blowers, Whitey & Ed Ford, and others. Towards the more polished side or end of the Hillbilly Corn era, it seemed: three girls singing a little twangy, but the harmonies were like barbershop (usually four parts, right?) A bluesy song, not real emotional, but enough. Checked, "country" dresses, but with frilly bloomers, so hillgenteel, if a bit quaint in the fashions (conservative). The Mound City Blue Blowers did a moody,bluesy song I've heard in Busby Berkley musicals (you'd know it if you heard it; damn what's the title?). Dominated by a kazoo (or something else?) played through the metal flower-shaped amplifying horn off a victrola, but not the metallic def-a-kazoo all over the Memphis Jug Band, but then i didn't hear a jug either. Next to the horn-and-other player was a percussionist, with 3/4-size brooms (bigger than whisk brooms), with no handles, which he played like a drummer plays brushes, basically, across a thick cloth over the side of a standing leather instrument case, which he kicked in syncopation. Not too slick, not too basic, not too intense. Why shore, don't you know there's a war on?

don, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 06:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i got the new edition of avedons in the american west, and i was really suprised, among the cowboys, the rig pigs, teh carnies and the secertaries, the ministers, and the like, there is almost nothing about the music, nothing about the sound, and i wonder, this sort of studio in the heart land cleaned up filth, does it have a sound track

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

modified from metal thread:

"Sunlight Breaks In" and "Just Like Me" (off *Tracks* by Uncle Billy's Smokehouse from I guess Worcester, Mass, or thereabouts) are like Guns N Roses crossed with Alice In Chains doing country-rock fit for CMT; the guy's high register actually pulls off its Axl attempts.
(The rest of the album is excellent too, but more hard rock than c&w.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

this has probably been discussed here or on last year's thread, but what's the take on josh turner? i've seen that "your man" video 3 times in the last few weeks and it's a pretty sweet tune. he's got that real deep country rumble, especially when he dips down at the beginning of the chorus. sexy. 17-year-old stepdaughter of a guy i know says the song makes her want "to hump the radio."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Funny, I was just searching the other day for what was said about Turner, which if I remember right wasn't much. I've been listening to the album and I can't get excited about it and it's not because of his voice, which is all right, but because the production feels so rote. But I haven't seen the video and I am not a 17 year-old girl.

werner T., Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't heard the album but it's a good single.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(but i'm sure it doesn't hurt that he's sorta hunky)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, I wrote this toward the tail end of last year's thread:

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Josh Turner is not an alt-country guy; he projects his voice, and it's a warm booming baritone, I guess (inasmuch as I know how to identify "baritone"). Still not sure how much I like it. He did that long black train song last year that lotsa people loved but which, for me, was more like "lookit me I'm doing a long black train song, how dark is that, huh?" It was okay, though. So's his new album that's coming out, *Your Man,* or at least the 9 songs I've listened to so far --well, not all of them, not even most of them. But "No Rush" is a truly sexy lover-with-a-slow-hand song that reminds me that the Pointer Sisters had their country moments too (not that it remotely sounds like them). And there a song about buying "Loretta Lynn's Lincoln" that drops lots of classic country names that, okay, well, it sort of annoyed me so far I guess. And one called "White Noise" that's a duet with some familiar country voice from the '80s (John Anderson, maybe? Or maybe not) who isn't mentioned on my advance CD; the idea is that country music is "white noise" but one line's a disclaimer about how this ain't a question of black and white, it's about Johnny Cash and Charlie Pride, so I have no idea what the "white" part IS supposed to mean. And there's another duet with some way older country guy (Ralph Stanley, maybe? these are totally wild guesses mind you) called "Me and God"; first line argues that anything's possible with me and God, but at first I swore Josh was saying anything was possible with a MEAN God, which would of course be a much scarier yet more interesting idea, but no dice. So, um....at least ONE good song, the "No Rush" one. But maybe more. (And I am gonna be embarrassed when I figure out who I confused with John Anderson....okay, I'll check the internet: Gulp, it IS John Anderson; Josh co-wrote it with him -- I passed the blindfold test, yay! And "Me And God" IS Ralph Stanley!! I'm shocked I got those right.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 23rd, 2005.


New Josh Turner winds down to a song about gravity that's sadly more metaphorical than scientific followed by the rote "Way Down South" that ends with some nice jaunty picking of "Dixie". Just remembered there was also an earlier tune about feeling out of place in the big city. If this was an *Entertaiment Weekly* review, I'd give it a B.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 23rd, 2005.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

>I'm getting the best sounds off the frustrated and desperate vanity pressings distributed by CD Baby. If you can sift them on-line, not at CD Baby proper... there are surprises surprisingly easy to find.<

Actually, you kind of CAN sift through bands at CD Baby proper. Searching by subgenre seems to pull up a lot of chaff (though some of it inevitably looks interesting), but there's one search engine function where you can look for bands who theoretically sound like, oh, "Montgomery Gentry" or "Blackfoot" or "Johnny Taylor" or "Opeth" or "Teena Marie" or "Rick Springfield" or whoever else you plug in, and this links to their websites...I just started doing it in the past couple days, and it gets addictive. Will reveal results when I have some.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So it turns out (according to the new issue of Billboard) that a guy named Tim Nichols wrote both Terri Clark's "Girls Lie Too" and Lee Ann Womack's "I'll Think of a Reason Later," both of which singles I'm pretty sure I voted for in Pazz & Jop in their respective years, which probably makes Tim Nichols one of my favorite country songwriters of our time, especially since he also wrote "Heads Carolina, Tails California" for Joe Dee Messina, "Love My Life" for Jamie O'Neal, "I Wanna Do It All" also for Terri Clark, and, well, "Live Like You Were Dying" for Tim Quickdraw McGraw (hey, bulls named Fu Manchu are cool.) (Some of them he wrote in conjuncition with a lady named Connie Harrington, so perhaps she's good too.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Now playing: New album by Michigan's Red Swan, the missing link between Killdozer and, I dunno, Nickel Creek or somebody. It rocks.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Thing about Red Swan is their more bluegrassish excursions (not to mention their singing and melodies) give them a beauty that all those draggy old pigfuckers like Killdozer never had, which makes their backwood lyric shtick a lot more engaging -- also doesn't hurt that their backwood lyric shtick contains lots of actual narrative details in the stories about Beaver Island and Thunder Bay and Slave River and Rose Lake and the Fenner Arboretum and sundry burning Christmas tree farms out past the cornfields where the woods get heavy. And to my ears, the beauty also helps them rock harder than gratuitous uglies like Killdozer (or Scratch Acid, and Birthday Party) ever did.

(They are also what Sufjans Stevens's Michigan album should've been.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

say all you want about Killdozer as long as you don't fuck with Pachinko

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Povertyneck Hillbillies, seven-man band from Western Pennsylvania, apparently logging hundreds of nights on the road every year: I want their album to STOMP like Montgomery Gentry; it doesn't, not very often anyway, but they're good when the melodies get darker and they let the arragenments stretch out a little -- in "She Rides Wild Horses," "Jericho," their cover of Fastball's "The Way" (mid '90s one-hit-wonder top 40 fake-alt powerpop nugget that I always thought had a certain Elvis Costello Tex-Mex bent, and I'm guessing these guys agreed), and "One Night in New Orleans" (which verges slightly on zydeco and has some sexy French words about voulez vous and je'taime and for some reason reminds me a little of the old turn of the '80s Louisiana AOR swampers Leroux, which might not be a coincidence.) The other cuts frequently veer toward mush, but sometimes catchy mush.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Fastball's "The Way" (mid '90s one-hit-wonder ...)

Pedant alert: They were a one-hit wonder, but not with that song. (It was never a commercial single and so never charted.) They followed it up with the Top 20 "Out of My Head," a disposable ballad that is to them what "Look What You've Done" is to Jet. They later did some stuff I really liked but nothing that clicked like "The Way."

P.S. Western PA is an underrated source for indie music today imho.

Joe McCombs, Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

jena peri, *catching files with vinegar*, tuff-girl pop-rock benatar/hynde style from brooklyn and/or east village, ramones crony daniel ray on some guitar and pedal steel, first two songs about new york ("every time i take a 747 people ask me about 9-11") are really good and bouncy, her slower more introspective therapy-session stuff pretty bleh. "lust" has the most lusty guitars and most lesbian words (she tells a girl she's her type while reaching across table); "l.a. girl" has pedal steel but it's early '80s l.a. style new-waveabilly about a bikini-clad groupie who'll be "your broad if you're in billboard"; "i'll be gone" is the elizabeth mcqueen-worthy pub-rocky bouncy country tune in the middle, with the singer waiting at home in her crotchless undies for her guy (or girl?) who's out drinking, playing all of said significant other's 45s while painting toenails.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

...I just started doing it in the past couple days [re CD Baby], and it gets addictive. Will reveal results when I have some.

The numbers are fundamentally astonishing. They come in loads -- 200 at least per week, often as many as 800 some, through the end of the year as the entire catalog is moved on-line for download. Very few of these acts, thousands, get even the slightest mention in even the fringes of the media. Since so many are classic rock and the genres that the writing class likes to shun, it's predictable. Plus these are often bands so clueless they don't even know how to market to the urban slum genre pubs.

But that's where most of my good new listens to are coming from in the new year so far. Electric Boogie Dawgs, for instance, from California, have a name so terrible it's good (like Billie's Smokehouse), but their album is sure a lot better than the gobbler just issued by the Shack-Shakers. And I did like the latter's a year ago.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

So I've been watching fragments of the Frontline series about two boys from the rural green and brown slum of eastern Kentucky. Can't watch it straight, don't need a rehash of what coal and farm town interior Pennsy used to be like.

Anyway, one of the fellows is going out with a girl and her pop is a local country artist. He's so sincere and earnest he instantly inspires nausea. The kid plays electric guitar and does freeform emo Xtian metal which I couldn't stand either but might be someone else's bag if he got on Myspace or something. Heck, maybe he is in on Myspace.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, Jana Peri catches FLIES with vinegar, not files. Though the latter would be a neat office trick. She also closes her album with something called "I Wanna Rock" where she says she doesn't understand reggae or gangsta rap or sundry other musics, but I forget why not.

I saw the first episode of "Country Boys.* Not sure if that one kid's student newspaper ever came out. Wonder how long it'll take for the other kid's goofy christ-metal song to inspire a wiseass cover of it.

elieen carey *hearts of time* on now. nashville-based, i think, but she put out the CD herself apparently. first two songs are pop-country backed by stones music, very mellencamp. and a couple of the slower songs that come later ("someone like you," "blue collar man" --nope, not a styx or BTO cover, but that's okay) are just as good.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

the blue collar man is "a joker and a smoker" and "a rambler and a gambler," which i guess means he likes steve miller AND bob seger. (also the song is very shania twain. he loves her like a handy man.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

also her song "lazy" has a light afro-caribeean percussion undertow, and it's about her cheese-hatted man being a lazy slob who leaves his beer bottles everywhere while eileen's stuck watching c-span. and that's followed by "good time charlie," another rocker (and no relation to the great danny o'keefe hit from the '70s where good time charlie has the blues). and the album ends with another shania-worthy track. the songs she gets partial writer's credit on, which is about half of the album, include most of the ones that i've mentioned, too -- including the three most rocking tracks and the latin-ish one.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

cottars *forerunner* = more fresh-faced good-looking kids (this time two boys and two girls, two brother and sister pairs i guess, all with "mac" at the beginning of their names, from the maritimes) playing reverent bluegrassy reels/hornpipes/polkas/jigs cape breton style i guess. possibly more energy than nickel creek, for sure less energy than the duhks. better when they keep mouths shut. i'll pass.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the real precedent for Jana Peri is probably, like, Genya Ravan or somebody. (Louise Goffin? Eve Moon? Some other dame signed to a major label who put out one album around 1980 then disappeared off the face of the earth?) Turns out that what she has against gangsta rap is the words about bitch slapping and how they're always bragging about their cars. Her more acapella complaints about "this reggae shit" ("I don't get what's up with it") and "white ??? noise" from "pretty boys" are harder to make out. She sings better with more music behind her, which might explain why her louder songs are best.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

This is to let you know that our very own Anthony Easton is managing Paraguay in the Poptomist World Cup.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

These threads tend to lose me sometimes, but I'm trying to keep up.
I got an MP3 player for Christmas and since I'm way lazy, I've barely uploaded anything to it, but last weekend I forced myself to at least put on the CD which was nearest my PC that I hadn't really given a listen to yet (though I've still got that Wanda Jackson disc from a few yrs ago still in the shrinkwrap somewhere in my cluttered office! FOR SHAME!).
So for the last few days I've been (out of inertia as much as interest) listening to
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000ASTEYU.02._OU02_PIuk-r-fp-799,BottomRight,10,10_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

It's a compilation from Loose Music a UK alt-country label that seems to lurve Canada, lots of covers, which gives the whole thing a nice sense of novelty. Track by track thoughts:

1. Roger Dean Young & The Tin Cup – Stettler - I'm a big RDY & TTP fan, so I was rilly excited to hear this, and it's okay, but it's just a noisy instro, and what I like most is RDY's voice & lyrics.
2. Old Reliable - No Unmaking - Very trad, very earnest.
3. Steve Ketchen & The Kensington Hillbillies - Straight To Hell - More trad, tradder than trad when the "How's about an English jig and reel" line hits.
4. Two Gallants - Nothing To You - Who are these guys? This is a great song, very raw and piercing, like old Mtn Gts. "I'm gay as a choirboy for you"
5. The Only Children - Sky Begins To Storm - Not sure which song this is.
6. Justin Rutledge & The Junction Forty - Too Sober To Sleep - Ryan Adams-ish lament-rock, sure to be a crowd pleaser, in as much as downer songs can be crowd pleasers (which is not too rare in alt-country).
7. Augie March - Little Wonder - Another song I'm not sure about.
8. By The Fireside - Battle Fields - Hey, wow. Is this a cover? It sounds like it might be a Wall-era Pink Floyd song, only with emotions and stuff. Fantastic dreamy soundscapery.
9. The Idaho Falls - Country Song - V. good song, gets to why people like music, but doesn't dwell on it.
10. Charlemagne - Angel Of The Morning - I love Charley Pride, and I love dreamy atmospherics in my alt-country, so this is a winner. Sounds like it was always supposed to be a psychedelic song.
11. Jim Bryson & Jim Cuddy - Somewhere Else - Best Jim Bryson I've heard in a long time, but maybe that's the Jim Cuddy part? Truth be told, I didn't even know Cuddy (Blue Rodeo) was on the track until I cut and pasted the tracklist from Amazon.
12. Langhorne Slim - Loretta Lee Jones - Dizzy rave-up, Modest Mousish/Buddy Holly bluegrass.
13. The Pink Mountaintops - Sweet ’69 - Not country, not even alt-country, Stooges fump-a-whomp. Good fun.
14. Ox – Surrender - Mmmmm, Ox is v. Oldhammish, and so this is Palace covering Cheap Trick. As it was always meant to be.
15. Megan Reilly - On A Plane - Decent.
16. Anders Parker - Feel The Same - Throaty, earnest. Skip forward.
17. Jason Molina - Division St. Girl - Even though Molina's getting to be a really good singer, and his voice is pretty interesting, it's not a very interesting song.
18. Elephant Micah - Dream Feedback - Dino Jr-ish feedback country that's v. pleasing in this song.
19. Blood Meridian - Soldiers Of Christ - I don't know about this one. A little too boiler-plate a/country.
20. The Parkas - Start Your Own Country - I like them Parkas, and this one of their best songs, even though there's nothing about picking fights, unless you count starting wars between nations, which they're only really talking about metaphorically anyway. Still, good metaphor, great harmonies.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Riverside, *Simple Life* ("formerly called 'Riverside Avenue', cdbaby says; I do believe that's an REO Speedwagon reference), four burly beer-bellied middle-aged guys from Missouri who look like roofers or plumbers, including one in an AC/DC shirt and one African American; mainly do a choogle that boogie-woogies at times but that'd kick more if actual money could be spent producing their album, but they also take stopoffs in Sabbath-via-Joan Jett metal ("I Got This Funny Feeling") and country-rocking ballads, way too often about playing rock'n'roll in the bar til dawn and trying not to get in a fight with the wife when they roll home at 5 a.m.; not sure if "Don't Know What To Say" is about finding Jesus or finding said wife, but either way, their lives got saved I guess. They may well have had more stamina when they were younger men, I'm not sure. Still, endearing, and I like how they go into multi-part harmonies when you don't expect it:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/riverside

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Also they do a sort of souped-up adult contemporary makeout soul ballad ("If I Ever Will") where they ponder telling you a story about their childhood but then never do. In general the vocals seem to lay back more than you'd expect in a rock band, but more in a countrypolitan way of laying back than an alt-country way, I'd say. And they end with a protest ballad about how bad the world is ("people gettin raped/people gettin killed/maybe just for fun," then stuff about sending kids overseas, maybe mine or yours, and politicians and judges are corrupt on both sides of the fence, and everybody's getting rich at everybody else's expense) that starts out sparkly like the mid '80s Police or something, and winds up going into an Asia-style pop-proggy little break toward the end and has a very catchy chorus about how they "don't wanna know". Interesting mix.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

By "Sabbath via Joan Jett metal" I mean that they're clearly trying to make the music apocalyptic a la Ozzy, but the riff reminds me more of "I Love Rock and Roll" than "Ironman." As opposed to the opening riff on the album, which reminds me of "Summer of 69" by Bryan Adams.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

(Or okay, maybe laid back vocals more in a SOFT ROCK way than a countrypolitan way. Actually, I love how they partly call themselves "soft rock" on their webpage. Not to mention "hard rock" too. And duh, to increase the stamina and kick quotients, all I had to do is turn the volume up. These old guys kick fine. Riff in "We've Been Rockin" comes from AC/DC's "It's a Long Way To the Top.")

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

And then the next song (chorus hook: "Marlon Brando, in a bar") is like great Brooks and Dunn! How many bar bands around the country are ACTUALLY mixing AC/DC and '80s pop-rock with country? Could be hundreds, or then again could be nobody else but these guys. Either way, they're doing something Nashville hasn't quite done. How cool.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

And the "souped-up adult contemporary makeout soul ballad" can also be heard as a "souped-up adult contemporary makeout grunge ballad." I have no idea which one they intended it as. (What's the missing link between soul and grunge? Hootie!! Maybe that answers the question.) It's also got a line where they consider being a "bad boy" to impress you. And "Headed On Down the Line" is another expert Brooks and Dunn imitation, and the people who killed in "The System" get killed "for thrills," not "for fun" (in case you're still awake after all this.)

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Back to Povertyneck Hillbillies, they stomp more than I suggested above. "The Hillbilly Way" is total I'm a redneck badass and if you don't like it fuck you Monkey Gentry assholery; "Jericho" is a dark seething MG-style ballad about a bar knife fight resulting in the gallow's pole. And "She Rides Wild Horses" soars like Pegasus(at least I assume Pegasus soared; I never actually saw him do so myself.)

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Jana Peri/Genya Ravan: now that might be good. I was already thinking that some reviewers seemed to have Genya (and a lot of other broadskis post Janis) in mind when they put Shelly Fairchild down. But I thought Genya was better than Lydia Pense etc, at least on that album with the Lou Reed duet. In the 60s,She had a rock club band, Goldie & The Gingerbreads; they opened for the Stones, early on, and got quoted in Scaduto's Mick Jagger:Everybody's Lucifer. (Derek or others looking for a book to deal, please try to get her to do an autobio, unless she's already done it?) xpost Huk's UK alt-country: some intriguing descriptions, and anybody heard Ronnie Lane's Slim Chance? I haven't; read that they did good English country (not nec country rock), and liked Ronnie's songs with the Faces. xhuxx you were trying to remember Andy Fairweather Low's sound: he came out of and fit with the mod-soul-folk-rock side of Small Faces (his own teengroup was Amen Corner),and did at least one mod-soul-country/pub rock singalong, "My Bucket's Got A Hole In It." Which somehow fit with the folk-rock-discoid approach of most of the rest of La Booga Rooga, one of my most played albums of the 70s.

don, Saturday, 14 January 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening again to Little Big Town, and I don't know why I didn't notice right off that the harmonies are like Fleetwood Mac's. Now that the Fleetwood Maccianism is obvious - thanks to Chuck's pointing it out on last year's thread - I still can't say what it is about the harmonies that makes them sound more like Fleetwood Mac's than, for instance, the Eagles'. In particular, since I'm not good at identifying intervals (can sometimes do it by ear when notes are sung in succession, but rarely when they're sung in harmony), I don't know if it's the intervals themselves, and if so, what it is about the intervals, or if it's the timbre of the singing and the fact that two of the singers are women.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

My promo copy of The Road to Here has no album credits, so I don't know what name to affix to what sound: they have four singers, two women and two men. They're all pretty good, though none can command our attention like a Stevie Nicks. There's a guy I call "the Slush Guy," who sings lead on the one track I hate, "Bring It On Home" (I don't much like "Fine with Me" or "Stay," either, and I'm so-so on "Lost," the last of which also features Slush Guy), but I'm sure he's contributing hot vocals to some of the nonslush. Billboard lists songwriters: Eight of the thirteen songs are credited to all four bandmates plus Wayne Kirkpatrick (who co-produced most or all of this), another is by the four bandmates and Jason Deere (whose credits are all over a lot of country albums), Kirkpatrick and Jim Collins wrote "Welcome to the Family," which is a not-bad goof on the idea of Our Family Will Kill You If You Mistreat Our Sister, Since Our Relatives Control The Town (redneck version rather than Mafia), Kirkpatrick and Julian Bunetta wrote a pretty good busted-romance banjo-rocker "Looking for a Reason," and - I'm pleased to say - Kirkpatrick, Greg Bieck, and Taylor Hayes Bieck, but no one in the group, wrote that dumb-slusher "Bring It On Home" ("When the morning comes I'm still going to be right here"; yeah, well, I'll bet al-Qaida can say the same thing).

I suck at predicting things such as commercial viability (so is Sony-Monument, apparently, who dropped these people several years ago and now gets to watch as the indie Equity label harvests the lettuce), but my guess is that if (1) "Mean Streak" is chosen as a single, and (2) some adult contemporary or hot AC station takes a chance on it, these guys go platinum or double and their music becomes ubiquitous.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

So far I've been taking swipes at the lyrics, calling them evasive, clichéd, slushy, and dishonest ("Boondocks"), but I'm discovering that usually I like them, or at least I like a frequent comic device - well, I think it's intended to be comic, and it's certainly fun - where a song will pile metaphor on metaphor, each one bordering on being strained in itself but in proximity with the others feels playful. "You plowed me like a tractor." I also like how the "I'm good" in "Good as Gone" has two meanings: I'm a good one, baby, and don't you forget it, and I'm (as) good as gone.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

-- communication from David Scott, all-purpose superfan, yesterday: I intend to burn/make a Sammi Smith compilation for you and Yuval, called The Saddest Girl in the Whole U.S.A., this weekend. Oxford American called her album He's Everywhere the Dusty in Memphis of boozy countrypolitan** and for once the DIM hyperbole is deserved. Flesh that album out with assorted tracks from a couple of years in either direction from He's Everywhere and you'll have quite a collection, including two of the best D-I-V-O-R-C-E songs evah, an unheralded masterpiece from the point of view of a room (!) that debunks the existence of God, and "He's Everywhere," which is the scariest (read: most realistic) paranoia song I've heard.
* Countrypolitan is making a huge comeback on the L.A. hipster scene right now, so getcher Ray Price & Patsy Cline rekkids on eBay and make a killing!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

And did I not invoke this swing away from denim atmospheres and New Earthy and other overworked country-as- overworked-70s/80s rock, with my revulsion vs. LBT's corral chorale on the 2005 Thread? Time for old and new politan, yall. But who knows, if I heard their album--I also bitterly denounced B&R's second album on that same Thread, and then it ended up in my Top Ten. At the bottom, but entrenched. The opening tracks still sound like lazyass shit, but now even the(redundant after KK's spoken intro says it all) Vietnam pageant's got me: sounds like a lost patrol of Cival War re-enactors, and Confederates On The Roof always was one of my favorite books, so.

don, Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

new Candi Staton album "His Hands" cut in Nashville with Bare producer Mark Nevers, just listening to advance this Sunday morning. very competent, somewhat unadventurous country-soul with plenty o' 6/8 balladry, doesn't so far pack much sonic kick, though. some Nashville songwriting represented: Dan Tyler's "When Will I?" haven't got the exact release date in the US; think it's coming out on Honest Jons Records (London-based) in UK. trying to find out more about this, probably going to talk to Nevers and I hope Candi herself as I gear up to write about it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the rolling 200x country threads to thank for my favorite album of the past five years. but the problem with reading a thread populated almost entirely by critics getting promos is the impossibility of mere mortals to keep up, let alone hear 85% of what's being discussed... i'd love to try, but i think i'd end up many hundreds of dollars in the hole.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Sunday, 15 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel your pain, my name is john. One thing that's helped me is the CMT website's "Listening Parties." (Go to their site, click "Music," then "Listening Parties.") They allow you to stream a handful of new releases in their entirety, and at a decent bit rate. Most of the new mainstream country that gets discussed on this thread winds up there at some point or another.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Sunday, 15 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post Don't despair, John. I can't keep up either. What have you heard so far this year that you like (even if it was released last year)? I still can't stop playing the Jessi Colter, which I thought was coming out this month, but Amazon has it listed end of Feb.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 15 January 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been a bit slow off the ball this year, so not much has hit me thus far, but there's a bunch of stuff upthread that intrigues me. i suppose i need to do some searches and such. i will check out the listening parties thing on cmt. thanks for the tip!

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Sunday, 15 January 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

multiple xps:

An indie hipster countrypolitan (between inverted commas no doubt) revival, if that's what Edd's post about L.A. is predicting above, sounds like potentially the most annoying thing since the indie hipster Esquivel revival of the mid '90s, but I will keep my ears open and try my damnedest to stay awake, I promise. I guess the indie hipsters like how unmacho and emo countrypolitan is? And I guess some people liked that album last year by Bonnie Prince Billy or whatever his name is. And didn't Ween make a "countypolitan" album once? God I hate that kinda shtick. Don't hate countrypolitan, but there are many things I like more, I gotta say. Still, definitely a subject for future research. Been listening to this new Time Life compilation CD *Classic Country: Sweet Country Ballads,* and it seems like a nice little overview of the subgenre; I already knew and liked the Eddy Arnold, Ray Price, Charlie Rich, Glen Campbell, Bobby Bare, Don Gibson, Skeeter Davis, and Bobby Goldsboro tracks (make the world go away for the good times behind closed doors by the time i get to phoenix detroit city i can't stop loving you the end of the world honey), but for a bunch of those artists it's the only song I know by them, and the only one of them I've ever investigated in detail is Glen Campbell, who had tons of hits I love. I used to own a couple Charlie Rich LPs; stupid of me to get rid of them. Never have connected with Charlie Pride, whose "I Can't Believe You Stopped Loving Me" is on here; probably my loss. Bobby Goldsboro had better hits than "Honey" (i.e., "The Straight Life," hey what I can say, I like crackers and beer) but I had no idea he was ever considered country, if he in fact ever was. Favorite track I don't recall hearing before so far: "Abeline" by George Hamilton IV. Didn't know he was country, either. Dates range from 1958 to 1970; when did "countrypolitan" (the sound and/or word, which Time Life doesn't use in its title by the way) actually start?

Either way, I'm afraid right now I'd rather listen to the the Little Big Town album, which is more pop than earthy no matter what Don thinks. Sounds better every time I listen; if I did my Nasvhille Scene list over again, I'd definitely list it a few slots higher than #10; possibly even as high as #3. Anyway, Frank: Song credits in the CD sleeve (with copyrights ranging from 2002 for "Stay" -- wait, is that cover? authors don't seem to be people in the band -- to 2005 for most of the rest) don't seem to list lead singers, for some reason; just (session, I assume?) musicians. (Also, Frank, you seemed to say above that they'd been dropped from Sony; was there an earlier album? Or did Sony never put one out?) The slush guy singing in both "Bring it On Home" and "Stay" DOES sound more Eagles than Fleetwood Mac to me --actually, he sounds a lot like Don Henley, and yeah, these are definitely a couple of the lesser tracks, as is "Fine With Me", the melody of which starts out reminding me of some Lionel Richie countryish song (ie "Stuck on You" or "Sail On" or maybe "Easy" I guess) then turns into something else obvious I can't out my finger on. The tracks emphasizing girl voices are definitely better than the tracks without them. But it's not just the harmonies that remind me of Fleetwood Mac - it's also some of the melodies, and I swear there's Lindsey Buckinghamness in some of the guitar parts. One day maybe I'll sit down and take notes and pinpoint where. (Also, it turns out the one line in "Mean Streak" - still my favorite track - I coudn't pinpoint on the '05 thread is "like a frat boy at Hell Week." I can definitely see these people appealing to a frat/jam audience, if such a crowd heard them; they're for sure more rock than Nickel Creek, who I get the idea said crowd already likes.) (Though they're not as earthy as NC, Don! And maybe that would bug the fratters?)

Finally, Povertyneck Hillbillies again: They sent a DVD as well as their CD, and it's quite entertaining, especially the documentary about them coming together in Western Pennsy and winding up with the biggest song on Pittsburgh's "Froggy" commercial country station a summer or two ago off a self-released CD they sold from the back of their tour bus; supposedly, in Pittsburgh, according to a radio station guy on the DVD, they're as big as Montgomery Gentry or Alan Jackson or Kenny Chesney, and the live shows on the DVD seemed to kinda confirm that, though sometimes it was hard to tell to what extent this was staged. I prefer to think of them as a musical equivalent of minor league baseball, which is a pretty cool idea when you think about it. Said local hit is the superdupercatchy love-the-one-you're-with/you're-all-I've-got-tonight "Mr. Right Now" (as in I may not be Mr. Right but I'm Mr. Right Now), and it's more loveable on the DVD than on the CD, as is "Hillbilly State of Mind," since that one shows just about everybody in the audience (including all the pretty girls and a couple less pretty ones who were apparently all urged to stand in the front row during filming plus two little girls in cowboy hats the band brings on stage) doing this completely silly hand-jive dance where they make deer antlers with their hands and show the corn growing up and pump their fists in the air and stuff. DVD has a couple songs that aren't on the CD as well, and the concert on it ends with a nice healthy guitar solo at the end of "Any Road." Singer wears a snazzy black cowboy shirt with a crucifix-shaped cross on either side of its chest, but there's no other Christian imagery I notice. A whole lot of off-roading, fishing, and clay pigeon shooting, though.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

(Rereading my LBT post, on second thought, I don't wanna belabor their lack of earthiness; I mean, I guess they're earthy if you want them to be. Their sound has just never hit me that way. They hit me as California, if anything! But yeah, you don't end your Boondocks song chanting about crawdad holes without the earth in mind, to at least a certain extent. Among the liner note thank yous to bassist/producer Wayne Kirkpatrick: "chicken wings, Monday night football in the hot tub, tailgating, the philosophical debates over crawfish or crawdads." Also, they thank "Clint Black and the entire Equity staff"; does he run the label?)

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

And oops, I was wrong, "Stay" DOES have all the band members in its author credits; not sure what I was looking at. Copyright is 2002, though; makes me wonder if's a leftover from some earlier (Sony?) era or the band, or what. Or maybe I'm just totally confused.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

when did "countrypolitan" (the sound and/or word, which Time Life doesn't use in its title by the way) actually start?

I was wondering the same thing this weekend. David Cantwell, who is working on a book about the Nashville Sound (tentatively called Make the World Go Away), isn't sure either, but the term probably dates from the '50s, though it's since been used mostly for the '70s, which is kinda interesting. I'm guessing Billboard put it into circulation but can't find a ref.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fuck It Up (Acoustic)," third track on the new Towers of London EP, is twangy the way a track or two on last year's comparably punky Sex Slaves album was twangy. Punk as Tom Keifer hair-metal ballad. (Also, its lyrics quote "Creep," the best song Radiohead ever did.)

Playing new Shooter Jennings album, *Electric Rodeo* now. Sounds great, though sometimes he still sings like Kid Rock. Doubt there's a song I'll love as much as "4th of July," but overall, I'm thinking right away that it's the way more consistent album of the two. The title/opening track and "Bad Magick" are as heavy metal as anything on the debut. Also like the (non Nazareth) hangover head-holder "Hair of the Dog," the cocaine lament "Little White Lines" (where you hear Shooter sniff in the middle and a cop stops him and he seems to refuse a breathalizer then the cop asks him the shave something but he never says what), "Alligator Chomp (The Ballad of Martin Luther Frog Jr") (total Jerry Reed "Amos Moses" swamp-funk rap-neck racial allegory); and at least the hoedown choo-choo chug opening of "Manifesto No. 2" (where he also catches his woman with another man so he shoots her with a shotgun) and the country jazz conclusion of "(The) Living Proof" (dumb question, but is that his daddy's song? Seems familiar, but I'm no Waylon expert.) Also, plenty of winding-road Allmans boogie, and a few goofy lines in "Aviators" (one of a couple Kid-Rock style clumsy ballads) where he takes a date to waffle house and he shoots her dog and slashes her dad's tires but she just don't understand his strange kind of wit.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

> Tom Keifer hair-metal ballad<

Tom Keifer hair-metal CMT ballad I mean (hence its inclusion on this thread.)

Related question: Did Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive" sound at all country or southern rock in 1988? If so, I sure never noticed. But Shooter seems to swipe its riff in one of the Allmansy tracks on the new album, and a couple country acts (Montgomery Gentry and Chris Cagle) have covered it. So is it possible that it always sounded Southern rock, and nobody noticed at the time? Or did the cowboy on steel horse and stuff just inspire country people to reinvent it, the way, say, early '80s punks claimed and reinvented "Time Has Come Today" by the Chambers Brothers, and mid '60s punks claimed and reinvented "Louie Louie" and "Hey Joe"? Either way, it's a clear influence on the modern CMT sound.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Jovi-ripping (more the melody than the riff, actually) new Shootertoon is "Gone to Carolina," and despite my Allmans comparison, I wouldn't say it really jams very much. And as with most of his slow ones, on the new album and the debut too, his voice may just be too...stiff? rigid? wooden? what?...to pull it off. Another thing he inherited from his daddy, maybe, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I doubt Waylon ever rocked as hard as Shooter does. Also Waylon never had a great Lil Wayne song named after him, as far as I know.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't say that anything has captured the playful essence at the heart of country music better than "Catchy" by Pizzicato Five.

Dan (The Real Cowboys) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I doubt Waylon ever rocked as hard as Shooter does.

ah, the old "what does 'rocking' mean" debate again. shooter definitely has louder guitars, but if we're talking about sheer momentum and/or fuck-the-world attitude this might be an interesting debate.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck-the-world I wouldn't be surprised (Shooter's actually a really celebratory guy, despite all his supposed shooting and snorting), but most Waylon I've heard has seemed pretty darn draggy; where do I go to find momentum from him? Shooter's rocking comes from his rhythm section as much as his guitars. Again, not arguing (as I said, I'm no expert on the guy), just skeptical. (An even better question though: which one had the worst voice?)

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Only Waylon Jennings albums now in my possession, for whatever it's worth (I've listened to others, none of which made the this-is-something-I-want-to-keep cut): *Honky Tonk Heroes* on vinyl (which I like a lot, but it's as much a Billy Joe Shaver album as a Waylon one); a 12-song CD best-of *Platinum and Gold Collection* (several of which 12 songs really stink, and outside of a couple cuts I probably keep it out of obligation more than anything else). Forced to choose, I'd easily take the two Shooter CDs I own over these two.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Waylon Jennings Live is a really great album. Also, I'm partial to Ol' Waylon. But yeah, he was more about country-rock than rock-country like his kid, which is probably the difference between their influences: Willie potsmoke and Axl brownstone.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 16 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

the end of the world

The first pop song I ever loved. 1963. Gorgeous. Sad. Cited birds. They were singing. But they shouldn't have been.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Waylon rock: "Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way?"; first cut on Dreaming My Dreams, and it's a harder stomp even than Miranda's "Kerosene," though slower and more brutal.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Waylon Live album Matt mentioned rocks and swings and the crowd sounds crazier than Folsom. "Bob Wills Is Still the King" is classic. I think it got reissued a couple years back.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

At Amoeba Music in Hollywood, they have Laura Cantrell in the folk section. This is wrong.

youn, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Not sure I agree with that.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

As in, not sure I agree it's wrong. Last time I listened to her, I may well have filed her as folk rather than country, too. But I have to admit I haven't listened to her all *that* much.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

AGREE WITH ME, XHUXK! (Listen to her first album please.)

youn, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

xxposttt (puff, puff, I 'll never catch up) xxhuxx, yes, an indie countrypolitan "revival" could be nauseating, esp since you gotta have a budget, for good studio, good arrangements, conductor (or at least good first chair), good players. Oh yeah, and a real good foreground, the singer if not the song. But there have been some shrewdly small-scale, appopriately intimate coups already. My fave is Kelly Hogan and Mike Ireland doing (really doing) Stephen Merrit's "Papa Was A Rodeo." Happy Hour didn't start til they walked in and found each other. Seems like the template (from before the term?) was Ray Charles' Modern Sounds In Country And Western. (But maybe it went as far back as, say, Tony Bennett's hit covers of Hank Williams songs, in Hank's own lifetime? Patti Page's accent? But those were Adult Pop,Frank escorting the nicely-dressed troops past dose juvies at da gates: what we might think of as proto-Easy Listening.I think Ray might've been the first to gather the choirs and the strings 'round that piano, that voice, that kind of unmistakeably downhome foreground, in segregated times, too). I don't remember hearing the term til the early 70s. But obviously, Chet Atkins had something like that in mind round Modern Sounds time, bragging to an interviewer about how he exposed the Pat Boone fans to Bo Diddley, via the Everlys' "Bye Bye Love" and "Wake Up Little Susie"(they don't sound like Bo Diddley to me, but it's an interesting alibi, from a guy who some critics hated for his slickness(I have no opinion, although I likes me some Everlys). Surely, the Charlie Rich sides that were reissued as Fully Realized after Guralnick revived interest in his prime, might be too intense to be countrypolitan, but drew from it (and from Phil Spector, or mebbe vice versa, re Righteous Bros.), and I guess were a template for Elvis' late 60s orchestral hits. (Good countrypolitan artyfacts on 2004 Thread too)

don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

And I'm not objecting to earthy, I'm referring back to the New Earthy trend, which by 05 could include Jason Aldean, Dukes Of Biohazard, and a whole lot of other folks,many of whom I like, but it was getting overworked (especially the 70s Southern Rock x West Coast Denim Pop Rock references) and that Little Bog Town single just seemed like the last straw: all the self-congratulatory, nay, defiant! downhomieness (guess they're too young to have heard "we say grace, we say ma'am, if you don't like that, we don't give a damn" or ten million other examples)(or maybe they're not country enough too know how "country" they are). And the dramatic vocals just made it worse. But! I've only heard that one song. And who knows, if Tough All Over could show me how to love that damn Vertical Horizon cover, then anything's possible.

don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Tom Keifer hair-metal:Oh yeah, the USA Network's concert version of the ZZ Top trib (the one I reviewed in Voice) had a rave-up with Tom Keifer, the finale, I think. Prob around on Web, if not on legit DVD. xxhuxx, wasn't Bon Jovi'e "Wanted Dead Or Alive" from a Western Jon was in, Young Guns (AKA Young Buns in my middle school)?

don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, wasn't that "Blaze of Glory" or something? Which was Jon Bon Jovi solo, I think (I actually reviewed that album for the Voice and talked about Catholic rock!), unlike "Wanted Dead or Alive," which was with his band on *Slippery When Wet,* same album as "Livin on a Prayer" and "You Give Love a Bad Name", both of which I still prefer.

My favorite song so far in 2006 is "Hair of the Dog" by Shooter Jennings, about him waking up after drinking too much alchohol. My second favorite song on his new album so far is "Little White Lines," which is about him waking up after snorting too much cocaine (and what the cop asks him to shave is his face, apparently), and which has a pretty darn heavy riff, it turns out - definitely seems to rock harder than "Bad Magick," which needs more tune to go with its heaviosity; may well rock harder than the title track as well. Some of the tracks go into totally blatant funk breaks in the middle, too. Definitely a hard rocking Southern boogie album, and a real good one.

Finally kinda made peace with Bobby Bare's *The Moon Was Blue* this morning; after months, I've decided I'll keep the dang thing, though I still find some parts (e.g., "Are You Sincere" where I'm still not sure that "Bobby Bobby Bobby" is what those canned backup singers are chanting and the production of which sounds all scuzzy for no reason I can fathom, the Stereolab-produce-Langley Schools junk of "Fellow Travelers") unbearably kitschy. The cover songs are almost all better than the non-covers. Didn't notice til now that "Shine On Harvest Moon" is basically Western Swing. And "Am I That Easy to Forget" has incidental sounds as weird the ones in "Everybody's Talkin'" (which is a great track), or pretty close to it. And yeah, Bobby may well sing "Ballad of Lucy Jordan" better than Marianne Faithful did.

I talked about James McMurtry's 2005 album, which I guess I'll also keep with reservations, on that No Depression thread. Just wannna add here that, when Joe Ely's voice replaces McMurtry's fairly deadassed one in "Slew Foot," the thing somehow sounds way more alive all of a sudden. Go figure. (I hadn't even noticed on the album cover he was on there, then I heard him, and thought "holy shit, that's Joe Ely.")

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, it's possible that, if I heard McMurtry's "Memorial Day" on a car radio ON Memorial Day, I'd love it. I'm sappy like that sometimes.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, an album like Faron Young's "Sings Songs for Country People" or something, it's from about '63, is definitely countrypolitan--backup singers and strings, but all songs like "Black Land Farmer" about working and poverty and such. I guess I need to find out when the term was first used; I assume the method of recording was pioneered by Owen Bradley and Chet Atkins? David Scott who I quote above about the LA hipster revival of countrypolitan is usually pretty on top of these, uh, trends. but the revival has been under way for a while, like that pretty decent Mandy Barnett record done at Bradley's Barn in '99? and certainly, to my ears, Lambchop (another Mark Nevers-related project) is faux-politan for hipsters; I don't care about them one way or another. as far as Charley Pride goes, I always liked his voice fine, but his persona and the overall sound, I think that's somewhat lacking in definition. as I might've said earlier somewhere, I sure admire Stoney Edwards' '72 or so Capitol LP "Mississippi You're on My Mind," where he sounds a bit like Charley but the songs seem a bit more down-to-earth and the overall effect is droller and with undercurrents of real life, like Stoney's ready to get with the "Cute Little Waitress" and is more pissed off than the perhaps not so well-named Pride--OK, that's not really true-- about being a black man in a white man's world, all that. anyway, it's excellent, especially "Hank and Lefty Raised My Country Soul."

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

xp: And the part in McMurtry's *other* (and not as good) Memorial Day song, "Holiday," where the military veteran in his 40s gets called back up, would probably give me the chills for a second or two.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

New Drive By Truckers album, due April 25, sounds...dreary. Surprise, surprise. Only 11 song, which I commend, but it still kinda drags on and on. I do find myself not reacting negatively to the sort of songs where the guitars and the high-voiced guy (which one is that? I can never keep them straight) goosh out a nice steady stream of Neil Young and Crazy Horse beauty; there are at least two and a half of those (I think, though don't quote me on this, "Goodbye," "Blessing and a Curse," and about half of "A World of Hurt," the other half of which is a sort of monolouge worthy of, I dunno, early Nada Surf or middle King Missile or some other mid '90s alt novelty rock artistes I've forgotten who used to recite deadpan prose over their singing.) The one track I actually actively LIKE is "Aftermath USA", a blatant Stones rip about (hi Shooter) waking up after a chemically fucked-up night to a trashed apartment with crystal meth in the tub and the kids haven't been to school for weeks. Which makes me not feel so bad about my own kid missing school Friday 'cause he said he had a cold.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

>worthy of, I dunno, early Nada Surf or middle King Missile<

Both of whom, at least when they recited prose about popular kids and detachable penises, were probably funnier. So no, really probably NOT worthy. (Not that funniness is all I care about. And it does occur to me that titles like "Aftermath USA" and "A World Of Hurt" might mean this CD's supposed to be about current events or something, somehow.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Apropos of nothing but pretty funny:

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/monologues/20ryanadams.html

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

The cover songs are almost all better than the non-covers.

I think they're all covers.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Frank, you seemed to say above that they'd been dropped from Sony; was there an earlier album? Or did Sony never put one out?

Was a self-titled album on Sony/Monument. It flopped.

But it's not just the harmonies that remind me of Fleetwood Mac - it's also some of the melodies, and I swear there's Lindsey Buckinghamness in some of the guitar parts. One day maybe I'll sit down and take notes and pinpoint where.

The circular return-to-drone motion on "Bones" and the song's first blast of vocal harmony are both right out of "The Chain," though this emphasizes to me how much more intense "The Chain" and "Gold Dust Woman" and "Go Your Own Way" and "Dreams" are than anything on The Road to Here. That said, those four Rumours tracks were as intense as anything else from 1977 that wasn't "I Feel Love" or "Anarchy in the U.K." (or "Bodies" or "EMI" or "God Save the Queen"). (That I can think of off-hand.) ("Complete Control" was 1978, wasn't it?) So this is not to denigrate Little Big Town too much, but there is something missing, lack of a killer instinct, so far. But I'm enjoying the heck out of the album anyway, if not the hell, and I like "Boondocks" a lot even when its pandering to the prime audience's insecurities makes me say "Damn their lies."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"like a frat boy at Hell Week"

Yeah, this was a good example of the comic overloading of preposterous metaphor that I was praising last week:

Cold as a concrete
Tough as a back street
Like a fratboy in hell week
Babe with a mean streak

Also:

Tough as a dry creek
Sharp as a hawk's beak
Comin' fast as a stampede
Babe, you got a mean streak

Probably deserves inclusion on The Rough Guide to Co-Dependent Relationships Vol. 2. "How to have fun as the victim in an abusive relationship. A special report at 11:00."

This is the song that has the line, "Hey what's the deal with your Jeckyl and Hyde?" Also, if I heard correctly, they go "Hot as my Harley/Burns like a dry heave." Whew! She's really up against it!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

>The cover songs are almost all better than the non-covers.
I think they're all covers.<

Oops. Guess I should've said: The covers of songs I heard before are almost all better than the covers of songs I didn't hear before.

So the high-voiced Drive By Trucker is Patterson Hood, right? At least that's what Xgau tells me. Only place on the new one where his Neil Young and Crazy Horse beauty really hits a dust-storm of paydirt, to my ears, is "A Blessing and A Curse." I've decided not to vouch for "Goodbye," which he might not even sing, or "A World Of Hurt." "Daylight" seems to be an awful attempt at Radiohead (via My Morning Jacket?) style nothingness; "Wednesday" is rote bland alt-country; "Space City" another bore. "Gravity's Gone" is a passable second Stones rip (also mentions coke I think -- actually, seems to be about some sort of high-fallutin schmooze party), but not nearly up to the level of "Aftermath USA," probably the only great cut on here (though I reserve the right to change my mind about any of this).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, "Little Bonnie" appears possibly to concern an abused child, though nothing in its music made me want to figure out more.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

First impression of Bon Jovi's "You Can't Go Home." Who are they kidding? Jon's southern accent is terrible. The music is coug-style southern rock, though with less joy and kick than that description implies. "Just a hometown boy born a rolling stone." Wow! A paradox! One that's only been worked a million times already (and will be milked a million times more, because it's a good one if given any interesting twist, which I don't think this song does, but this is only listen no. 1 and actually I'm copying over notes from a few days ago). Guest singer Jennifer Nettles isn't bad (I thought Sugarland's songs were so-what, which made what they were doing so-what, but I had nothing against it in principle). Jennifer could make a good arena rocker, perhaps, if there's a market for good arena rock. Track co-produced by John Shanks.

Bon Jovi "Have a Nice Day." Doesn't seem particularly country to me, though I wouldn't mind if country did drift in this direction, since this is far better than "You Can't Go Home," and more Shanksy, since this one he co-wrote as well as co-produced. I think - or hope - the title is meant sarcastically, though it will be taken straight by the listening audience, since most people will just ride with this sound and not register irony. The only line I jotted was "We're livin' in the broken home of hopes and dreams." Uh, John/Jon, perhaps you need to call on Ashlee, who can write this family-drama stuff for reals, with feeling (but in that case, you might as well have her sing it).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom Dwellers, *Twang Americana*: Four not-unenergetic, not-stupid Califonians seemingly going for a Bakersfield sound; you can hear love of Buck and Merle in their playing and probably their attitude. But not in the singing, which is just some regular guy from next door, completely nondescript, not quiet but also not anything else, and doesn't engage at all. I made it through a few songs, then quit.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Inside Out, *No Boundaries*, from Kentucky I think: I guess these guys want to be George Strait or somebody? Or else maybe some sub-Strait nonentity from the '90s or '00s. Better singer than Bottom Dwellers; i.e., at least with this guy you can kinda understand why he chose to be a singer. Slightly swingier, more honky-tonky rhythm. But fewer hooks, and completely generic and uncompelling arrangements and songs you forget while they play. Also, "Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers" does not seem to be the ZZ Top song that Motorhead covered, unfortunately. They improve slightly in "You Are a Miracle," when they stop hicking and start crooning. Still, no personality; perhaps they'd appeal to country fans who prefer country that way, I dunno. Either way, their album title is a lie, and kinda pisses me off.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(also mentions coke I think -- actually, seems to be about some sort of high-fallutin schmooze party)

Newsflash: eventually the bowls of cocaine start to work against you. When he gets his nose out of the party favors, Patterson is the high voice singer. I've only heard that Feb 14th track, which I thought was OK but kind of unrealized as southern fried power pop, and I like southern fried power pop.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

>eventually the bowls of cocaine start to work against you<

Yeah, I'm kinda amazed that hasn't happened to Shooter yet!

Avett Brothers *Four Thieves Gone: The Robbinsville Sessions* makes me sick to my stomach. What is it, "old timey" music for Barenaked Ladies and Moxy Fruvous fans or something? Or maybe the singer got drunk and is wearing a lampshade on his voice. God this thing sucks.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

So, Frank - I hear you ask - who is this fellow John Shanks whom you keep bringing up? (Pauses. Listens for question. Doesn't actually hear anything. Mistakes distant whoosh of a passing car for the question "Who Shanks?")

Let's see, according to the bio on his Webpage, "Before he even graduated [high school], he was in pop queen Teena Marie's band." Then he did whatever he did, which included producing "Breathe" for Melissa Etheridge (I don't even think I've heard this song, but my general feeling is that Melissa oversings songs to their ultimate demise), and from there started writing, playing, producing for a whole lot of others, including co-writing co-producing "Steve McQueen" for Sheryl Crow, a song that is nice but ho-hum in comparison to most of what she'd done previously. Anwyay, songs he's written or produced that one could vaguely call country-related include SheDaisy's "Come Home Soon" and Stevie Nicks' "Trouble in Shangri-La" (which I used to own and right now can't recall, so I don't know how country it is, but it's, you know, Stevie), and maybe can include Kelly Clarkson's "Breakaway," which could have been country if it hadn't already been something else. And - now this is where Shanks starts to have a serious country impact - Keith Urban's "Somebody Like You," which lived at number one on the country charts for a couple of months in 2002. Shanks wrote but did not produce it; being Urban's, it's done with an easy touch. Just skips along, rides a nice breeze, probably a lot harder to do well than it appears, but only catches fire for me during Keith's guitar rave-up at the end (which I suspect most radio listeners didn't get a chance to hear). But then, it's not trying to catch fire. It's way more palatable than most sap in the pop country range. Nice. But it has little to do with why I'm now trying to find out whatever I can about Shanks. The why is "Fly" by Hilary Duff, which would have been my single of the year in 2004 if I'd been giving Duff much attention; "La La" by Ashlee Simpson, which was my number three this year and would have been number one if Shanks and Simpson hadn't tried too hard to make it sound tough; and a whole bunch more: all of the crucial Ashlee tracks, and the woman has yet to put out a bad or merely so-so single; "First" and the other tracks that broke Lohan onto the radio; "Come Clean," Duff's first great single; and back in 2001, Michelle Branch's "Everywhere," which preceded Pink's "Don't Let Me Get Me"* and Avril Lavigne's "Complicated" onto the airwaves and helped to set a pattern: personal (or personal-seeming) lyrics but with, no matter how pensive the rest of the song, a chorus that wails. So far Shanks seems to do best with the young women (and when Kara DioGuardi is on board as one of his co-writers); he doesn't have just one sound. He's gotten delicate beauty from Hilary and hot fire from Ashlee. I'm not sure what to make of his Bon Jovi involvement. I'd call "Have a Nice Day" below-average for a Shanks single, but Shanks has done worse. He's still a subject for further research.

(*On his Webpage he gives himself credit for "additional production" on Pink's "Don't Let Me Get Me," but this is not listed on the album notes, which credit Dallas Austin.)

Shanks-related songs I haven't so far heard include Fleetwood Mac's "Peacekeeper," Vertical Horizon's "I'm Still Here," Alanis Morissette's "Everything."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael Ubalini, *Avenue of Ten Cent Hearts*: Gutbust-grunted *Darkness*/*River* Springsteen without any of the finesse, piling on metaphors that might conceivably be interesting but probably aren't (see title) in a voice that can't pull them off, at least not with no E Street Band backing him up. Dude sounds like he's trying really hard, but spinning his wheels. (Also from California, apparently.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

This may or may not be America's leading Southern Rock magazine:

http://gritz.net/

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure that
I'm the only one who likes
BR-549

but their new record
is quite fun and bluegrass-pop
I am in favor

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I still like them. Bluegrass-pop, hmmm...Someone is supposed to be sending me the new record, as I'm writing about them in a couple weeks. I'll report back.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link

on second listen
this is a really good disc
lots of black humor*

*e.g. The opener is a bluegrass hoedown about a hangover ("Poison / Get thee out of me") that calls puke and/or the runs "bubblin' crude", the closer is another hangover song called "Let Jesus Make You Breakfast"; the midtempo AAA-friendly boogie is surprisingly upbeat in tone considering it's about the framing and incarceration of Leonard Peltier; the gospel song with the jordanaires is actually predicting failure ("I know the devil in me will do me in"); etc. I'm in heavy favor of this.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

At Amoeba Music in Hollywood, they have Laura Cantrell in the folk section. This is wrong.

Yes, this is wrong. Cantrell is country.

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

BR's been playing around here a lot lately, and every time I miss them. I've heard good things about the record. they were fun to see ten years ago, and I wonder how their personnel changes have affected 'em.

and I dunno, Cantrell is kind of a folkie, but she covers Wynn Stewart honky-tonk stuff. but I think she'd sell better out of the folk section, or the Americana section, altho at Grimey's here she's right in with Can and Captain Beefheart.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

BR's steel player has been on tour with Dylan for a year, but he's back in the fold and wailing away again. The new dude seems to fit right in.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

*Johnny Reb & the Lost Cause* (I guess that's the name, though it says True History...Real Rock! on the back of the cardboard CD sleeve, and Heritage Not Hate on the disc) starts out high-octane low-fidelity rockabilly (more proto-pub-metal style than Stray Cats pompodour style or anything wimpier), sets some tracks to clippity-cloppy hooves, turns into Southern metal in a track or two, but seems to drag a little bit when it goes into purer Civil War reenactment duties (supposedly the guy was connected with some TV reality show called *Sabers and Roses* or something?, which is also a song title here, as are "Civil War Rock," "Confederate Money," "Jine the Cavalry," "Battle of Bull Run," and so on -- some of which I assume are actual oldtime traditional civil war songs, since they talk about bully boys and spell "join" in old fashioned ways), but it swings back into enough Stonesy non-ballad country-rock (including a cover of, uh, "Brown Sugar") for my liking. Maybe belongs in a pile with the J Blackfoot album from last year and maybe the Indian Reservation Marty Stuart one, though not as prog as either of those; shorter and faster and more straightforward songs, and more of them. Johnny Reb's got a passable voice which seems work best in the rockabilly numbers.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Seems TO work best. and reenactment DITTIES (though yeah, duties too maybe.) I'd probably like the CD more if it stopped after those first few metalbilly tracks; 21 songs is way too many. But I'll probably keep it. (Two of the more traditional songs, "Maryland My Maryland" and "I'm a Good Old Rebel," are sung by one John Davidson, not Reb.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, here's the results of the Scene's country poll.
y'all are so good, picking Lee Ann. so, what, 7 sorta alt- winners? Fulks, Gauthier, Prine, Nickel Creek, Jimmie Dale, McMurtry? I guess I'm surprised by Fulks's high showing, maybe I'm the only one...?

Albums

1. Lee Ann Womack: There’s More Where That Came From (MCA)
2. Rodney Crowell: The Outsider (Columbia)
3. Robbie Fulks: Georgia Hard (Yep Roc)
4. Marty Stuart & the Fabulous Superlatives: Souls’ Chapel (Superlatone/Universal South)
5. Gary Allan: Tough All Over (MCA)
6. Brad Paisley: Time Well Wasted (Arista)
7. Dwight Yoakam: Blame the Vain (New West)
8. Mary Gauthier: Mercy Now (Lost Highway)
9. Patty Loveless: Dreamin’ My Dreams (Epic)
10. Miranda Lambert: Kerosene (Epic)
11. Bobby Bare: The Moon Was Blue (Dualtone)
12. Dierks Bentley: Modern Day Drifter (Capitol)
13. Martina McBride: Timeless (RCA)
14. Neil Young: Prairie Wind (Reprise)
15. Gretchen Wilson: All Jacked Up (Epic) 16. Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell: Begonias (Yep Roc)
17. James McMurtry: Childish Things (Compadre)
18. Merle Haggard: Chicago Wind (Capitol)
19. John Prine: Fair & Square (Oh Boy)
20. Deana Carter: The Story of My Life (Vanguard)
21. Trisha Yearwood: Jasper County (MCA)
22. Jimmie Dale Gilmore: Come on Back (Rounder)
23. Nickel Creek: Why Should the Fire Die (Sugar Hill)
24. Bobby Pinson: Man Like Me (RCA)
25. Shooter Jennings: Put the O Back in Country (Universal South)

Singles

1. Lee Ann Womack: “I May Hate Myself in the Morning”
2. Brad Paisley: “Alcohol”
3. Miranda Lambert: “Kerosene”
4. Dierks Bentley: “Lot of Leavin’ Left to Do”
5. Gary Allan: “Best I Ever Had”
6. Shooter Jennings: “4th of July”
7. Patty Loveless: “Keep Your Distance”
8. Toby Keith: “As Good as I Once Was”
9. Mary Gauthier: “Mercy Now”
10. Trisha Yearwood: “Georgia Rain”
11. James McMurtry: “We Can’t Make It Here”
12. Gretchen Wilson: “I Don’t Feel Like Loving You Today”
13. Dwight Yoakam: “Blame the Vain”
14. Rodney Crowell: “The Obscenity Prayer”
15. Gretchen Wilson: “All Jacked Up”
16. Robbie Fulks: “Georgia Hard”
17. Keith Urban: “Making Memories of Us”
18. Bobby Pinson: “Don’t Ask Me How I Know”
19. Merle Haggard: “Where’s All the Freedom”
20. Sara Evans: “A Real Fine Place to Start”

Reissues

1. Charlie Poole: You Ain’t Talkin’ to Me (Columbia/Legacy)
2. Johnny Cash: The Legend (Columbia/Legacy)
3. June Carter Cash: Keep on the Sunny Side (Columbia/Legacy)
4. David Allan Coe: Penitentiary Blues (Hacktone)
5. The Band: A Musical History (Capitol)
6. Emmylou Harris: Heartaches & Highways: The Very Best of Emmylou Harris (Warner Bros./Reprise/Rhino)
7. Doug Sahm & the Sir Douglas Quintet: The Complete Mercury Recordings (Hip-O Select)
8. Various Artists: Good for What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows, 1926-1937 (Old Hat)
9. Rosanne Cash: Seven Year Ache (Columbia/Legacy)
10. Shel Silverstein: The Best of Shel Silverstein: His Words, His Songs, His Friends (Columbia/Legacy)

Artists of the Year

1. Lee Ann Womack
2. Marty Stuart
3. Brad Paisley
4. Alison Krauss & Union Station
5. Rodney Crowell
6. Keith Urban
7. Gary Allan
8. Gretchen Wilson
9. Dierks Bentley
10. Patty Loveless

Male Vocalists

1. Gary Allan
2. Dwight Yoakam
3. Marty Stuart
4. Brad Paisley
5. Merle Haggard
6. Dierks Bentley
7. Alan Jackson
8. Robbie Fulks
9. George Strait
10. Rodney Crowell

Female Vocalists

1. Lee Ann Womack
2. Gretchen Wilson
3. Patty Loveless
4. Martina McBride
5. Trisha Yearwood
6. Alison Krauss
7. Miranda Lambert
8. Sara Evans
9. Mary Gauthier
10: (tie) Shelby Lynne / Caitlin Cary

Live Acts

1. Keith Urban
2. Alison Krauss & Union Station
3. Marty Stuart
4. Brad Paisley
5. Big & Rich

Duos and Groups

1. Big & Rich
2. Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell
3. Alison Krauss & Union Station
4. Brooks & Dunn
5. Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives

Songwriters

1. Rodney Crowell
2. John Rich
3. Robbie Fulks
4. Mary Gauthier
5. James McMurtry

Instrumentalists

1. Jerry Douglas
2. Brad Paisley
3. Chris Thile
4. Kenny Vaughan
5. Keith Urban

New Acts

1. Miranda Lambert
2. Shooter Jennings
3. Sugarland
4. The Wrights
5. Hanna-McEuen

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, here's the results of the Scene's country poll.
y'all are so good, picking Lee Ann. so, what, 7 sorta alt- winners? Fulks, Young, Gauthier, Prine, Nickel Creek, Jimmie Dale, McMurtry? I guess I'm surprised by Fulks's high showing, maybe I'm the only one...?

Albums

1. Lee Ann Womack: There’s More Where That Came From (MCA)
2. Rodney Crowell: The Outsider (Columbia)
3. Robbie Fulks: Georgia Hard (Yep Roc)
4. Marty Stuart & the Fabulous Superlatives: Souls’ Chapel (Superlatone/Universal South)
5. Gary Allan: Tough All Over (MCA)
6. Brad Paisley: Time Well Wasted (Arista)
7. Dwight Yoakam: Blame the Vain (New West)
8. Mary Gauthier: Mercy Now (Lost Highway)
9. Patty Loveless: Dreamin’ My Dreams (Epic)
10. Miranda Lambert: Kerosene (Epic)
11. Bobby Bare: The Moon Was Blue (Dualtone)
12. Dierks Bentley: Modern Day Drifter (Capitol)
13. Martina McBride: Timeless (RCA)
14. Neil Young: Prairie Wind (Reprise)
15. Gretchen Wilson: All Jacked Up (Epic) 16. Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell: Begonias (Yep Roc)
17. James McMurtry: Childish Things (Compadre)
18. Merle Haggard: Chicago Wind (Capitol)
19. John Prine: Fair & Square (Oh Boy)
20. Deana Carter: The Story of My Life (Vanguard)
21. Trisha Yearwood: Jasper County (MCA)
22. Jimmie Dale Gilmore: Come on Back (Rounder)
23. Nickel Creek: Why Should the Fire Die (Sugar Hill)
24. Bobby Pinson: Man Like Me (RCA)
25. Shooter Jennings: Put the O Back in Country (Universal South)

Singles

1. Lee Ann Womack: “I May Hate Myself in the Morning”
2. Brad Paisley: “Alcohol”
3. Miranda Lambert: “Kerosene”
4. Dierks Bentley: “Lot of Leavin’ Left to Do”
5. Gary Allan: “Best I Ever Had”
6. Shooter Jennings: “4th of July”
7. Patty Loveless: “Keep Your Distance”
8. Toby Keith: “As Good as I Once Was”
9. Mary Gauthier: “Mercy Now”
10. Trisha Yearwood: “Georgia Rain”
11. James McMurtry: “We Can’t Make It Here”
12. Gretchen Wilson: “I Don’t Feel Like Loving You Today”
13. Dwight Yoakam: “Blame the Vain”
14. Rodney Crowell: “The Obscenity Prayer”
15. Gretchen Wilson: “All Jacked Up”
16. Robbie Fulks: “Georgia Hard”
17. Keith Urban: “Making Memories of Us”
18. Bobby Pinson: “Don’t Ask Me How I Know”
19. Merle Haggard: “Where’s All the Freedom”
20. Sara Evans: “A Real Fine Place to Start”

Reissues

1. Charlie Poole: You Ain’t Talkin’ to Me (Columbia/Legacy)
2. Johnny Cash: The Legend (Columbia/Legacy)
3. June Carter Cash: Keep on the Sunny Side (Columbia/Legacy)
4. David Allan Coe: Penitentiary Blues (Hacktone)
5. The Band: A Musical History (Capitol)
6. Emmylou Harris: Heartaches & Highways: The Very Best of Emmylou Harris (Warner Bros./Reprise/Rhino)
7. Doug Sahm & the Sir Douglas Quintet: The Complete Mercury Recordings (Hip-O Select)
8. Various Artists: Good for What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows, 1926-1937 (Old Hat)
9. Rosanne Cash: Seven Year Ache (Columbia/Legacy)
10. Shel Silverstein: The Best of Shel Silverstein: His Words, His Songs, His Friends (Columbia/Legacy)

Artists of the Year

1. Lee Ann Womack
2. Marty Stuart
3. Brad Paisley
4. Alison Krauss & Union Station
5. Rodney Crowell
6. Keith Urban
7. Gary Allan
8. Gretchen Wilson
9. Dierks Bentley
10. Patty Loveless

Male Vocalists

1. Gary Allan
2. Dwight Yoakam
3. Marty Stuart
4. Brad Paisley
5. Merle Haggard
6. Dierks Bentley
7. Alan Jackson
8. Robbie Fulks
9. George Strait
10. Rodney Crowell

Female Vocalists

1. Lee Ann Womack
2. Gretchen Wilson
3. Patty Loveless
4. Martina McBride
5. Trisha Yearwood
6. Alison Krauss
7. Miranda Lambert
8. Sara Evans
9. Mary Gauthier
10: (tie) Shelby Lynne / Caitlin Cary

Live Acts

1. Keith Urban
2. Alison Krauss & Union Station
3. Marty Stuart
4. Brad Paisley
5. Big & Rich

Duos and Groups

1. Big & Rich
2. Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell
3. Alison Krauss & Union Station
4. Brooks & Dunn
5. Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives

Songwriters

1. Rodney Crowell
2. John Rich
3. Robbie Fulks
4. Mary Gauthier
5. James McMurtry

Instrumentalists

1. Jerry Douglas
2. Brad Paisley
3. Chris Thile
4. Kenny Vaughan
5. Keith Urban

New Acts

1. Miranda Lambert
2. Shooter Jennings
3. Sugarland
4. The Wrights
5. Hanna-McEuen

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry 'bout the double post.

just scanned Geoffrey's essay--here's his main point, I suppose...

*....they returned country music to its roots. No matter what its instrumentation, country has always distinguished itself from the conformist optimism of mainstream pop and the rebellious optimism of rock ’n’ roll, the religious pieties of gospel music and the secular pieties of folk music by embracing the weaknesses and wounds of human nature. By and large, only the blues have shown a like honesty.*

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Country also distinguishes itself by embodying each and every one of those generalized qualities--needless to say, but I had to say it anyway. I mean, that's what's interesting about country, at least to me--not just the embrace of weakness and wounds. Nietzche would have hated that version of country.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

johnny reb second-thougt ammendments:

1) the rockabilly isn't always all THAT hi-octane, or all that raw, or all that metal, or all that pervasive. Just sometimes.
2) my favorite songs so far: "i can always count on you (to let me down)" ("gimme three steps" times "who shot sam" or one of those rockabilly george jones songs); "civil war rock" (ubangi stomp boogie woogie in a ubangi style); "confederate money" (as in "your love is like confederate money"); "i rode with j.e.b. stuart" (hard-kicking metal boogie with a manly sore throat -- "sabers and roses" is the same genre, but doesn't kick as hard, though it goes into a nice dobro or mandolin or dulcimer or something break in the middle); "ghost ride" (punk rock stretching toward boogie, and it mentions hagerstown, the maryland city that kix and the left came from, and this sounds more like the left than kix, and has somebody riding their ghosty horse into town and yelling "hurrah for the confederacy!" in the middle. also, it is track #11, not track #10 as erroneously stated on the cd sleeve); "Custard's Luck" (more catchy slimey stones-riffed biker rock; what does "come on you wolverines" mean in a civil war context?). Also there are okay Stones slimers about rebel girls from new york and Southern girls. Some of the more trad and stately and sometimes acapella'd history-lesson stuff is good too ("shadow of the south" is lovely), but i am a rockerist if not a rockist when it comes to country and it will probably take that stuff longer to sink in.
3) the hooves don't clip-clop; they gallop. and there are probably muskets on there somewhere as well.
4) i still can't tell if there are any songs about being a yankee.
5) in "brown sugar" mr. reb ANNUNCIATES, so you can tell she tastes good not just dances good, and he's not a schoolboy but he knows what he likes. still...um, interesting cover choice, to say the least.
6) "maryland my maryland" must be old because it says "the gentlemen were gay" and rhymes that with "philadelph-i-ay."
7) oddly, 22 songs is not nearly as excessive as I at first thought.


In other news, Michaelangelo Matos emailed me this link last night. I never heard of this guy before, and I'd have thought it impossible, but when it comes to keeping up with country, this guy may well leave everybody on this thread in the dust:

http://countryuniverse.blogspot.com/

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

damn, you ain't kidding about the dust. John Corbett?? singing about Carrie Fisher, reprising his role as hitman in that NYC restaurant movie, now as a western gunslinger? wow.

*"Custard's Luck" (more catchy slimey stones-riffed biker rock; what does "come on you wolverines" mean in a civil war context?)*

ah, I remembered this from my LSU days reading about the Late Unpleasantness (so Custer becomes Custard!):

The name James Kidd (1840-1913) is not altogether unfamiliar to Civil War aficionados, particularly to those with an interest in Union cavalry operations. A twenty-one-year-old University of Michigan student from Ionia, Michigan, Kidd enlisted in the federal army and managed to recruit a company of cavalry that was accepted as Company E, 6th Michigan Cavalry, with himself as captain. Brigaded with the 1st, 5th, and 7th Michigan cavalry regiments, the Michigan Cavalry Brigade distinguished itself under the leadership of its first commander, Gen. George Armstrong Custer. "Custer's Wolverines," as they were popularly known, gained renown as one of the finest volunteer cavalry units to serve in the eastern theater, fighting in more than sixty battles or skirmishes. By war's end, the Wolverines had served in the Cavalry Corps of the Army of the Potomac and under Sheridan in his Army of the Shenandoah....

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Redhill, self-titled 4-song EP, wow, totally excellent blue-eyed soul country by a five-person band from Detroit of all places, references to the Drifters ("Rooftop"), beats from Bo Diddley ("I Can Make It On My Own"), lady singer with a warm and powerful voice, pop enough for suburbia, plenty of swing (even the jazzy kind) in the rhythm. I hope they win all the Motor City Music Awards they just got nominated for.

CDbaby.com is the future of music, I swear.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

EP's first song "All Night Long" ("we're not 21 but we still can walk that walk...ain't gonna buy a single drink as long as there are men cause the girls gotta get out every now and then") is TOTAL girls- night-out country exactly like Frank was looking for. Singer Julianne sounds like KT Oslin! No horns credited, but I think I hear some. And "Rooftop" is built on that same Latin beat the Drifters used to use; it's a blatant rewrite of "Up On the Roof," clearly, and lovely.

xeddy@voice.com, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

CDbaby.com is the future of music, I swear.

Remarkable, isn't it. Beats hell out of myspace even though a lot of the acts are kind of forced into doing duplicate pages for that service by the tyrannical hype of its benefits.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

And now I'm playing Copperhead *Live & Lost*, which George mentioned upthread, and which he burned for me. Holy shit this rocks. The singer has this great squealing '70s midwestern hard rock voice (Head East? early REO, maybe?) and a rhythm section and guitars to match. I always forget how complex this kinda music is til I actually hear it.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Copperhead is totally ruling on that CD. Carswell is the guy's name, I think, and he does sound a bit like Terry Luttrell from the first REO album. On the live cuts he picks up some of the style of Ricky Medlocke only in a slightly higher register. According to some press I was able to glean fron the web, Tom Dowd produced about half of it. Also, the band has been around awhile, thought they were going to make it big when they got a song on the soundtrack of "Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man," a Mickey Rourke/Don Johnson film. When that turned out to be a total bomb, although entertaining on Saturday afternoon TV, it didn't quite happen.

If tweren't through CD Baby, it would have been missed. I don't think I saw a copy of it anywhere in meatspace.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, what Alex at countryuniverse.blogspot.com says about BR-549 kinda sums up my past feelings for them (though I've yet to hear their new one, which I could wind up liking for all I know): "BR549 After The Hurricane -- Nice enough. But they still sound like the kitschy downtown Nashville retro act they started off as many years ago." (Personally, I never liked them much as a kitschy retro act.)

Fourth song "I Can Make It On My Own" on that great Redhill EP is lyrically a post-breakup survival anthem a la, well, "I Will Survive," or "No Guilt" by the Waitresses or somebody: "Saw you with your new hootchie mama/Have you introduced her to your head-case traumas?," sung to a Diddley beat (go ahead, sing along). The drums and guitars at the start are Bow Wow Wow's "I Want Candy" into George Michael's "Faith" (both of which were Diddley chillun all along).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Russell, *Love & Fear*: Grumpy-old-guy film-noir alt-country folk, drags on eternally, people who like tom waits more than I do will like this more than I do, and as you'd guess he can be a total sap (or at least he seems to be when talking about stolen children or whatever), but he probably writes even better than james mcmurtry, or at least he seems to when he's halfway un-comatose enough for me to pay attention, which means at least three tracks here: "The Pugilist at 59," "Stealing Electricity" (about a Mexican immigrant being electrocuted at the border I guess, and Russell does western union dit dit dat morse-code noises a la the Five Americans which is pretty cool but gets sappy when he says that's also the sounds two people's hearts make when they fall in love), "Four Chambered Heart" (a la a crocodile's; both this one and the pugilist song have stuff about growing old and not talking to your college-age kids anymore which I'm guessing might be autobiographical.) And yeah, maybe Geoff Himes is right in his Nashville Scene poll essay when he says since alt-country's best attribute is its songwriting, Nasvhille types should *cover* alt-country songs more; I loved Gary Allan's version of a Todd Snider song once, so I'll buy that. (Don't know if I'll buy that the only difference between Lee Ann Womack and Caitlin Cary is their production budget or whatever, but I'll let that one slide.) Anyway, the main thing about the Russell CD, which I bet *No Depression*ites totally embrace, is the old story: Too many words, not enough music.

By the way, this has been discussed before, but looking over the top 500 singles of the '90s to '05 on that countryuniverse.blogspot site, and I've only begun to do so, I'm kind of surprised by how many singers I now associate with alt-country apparently had actual radio country hits in the early '90s when I warn't paying attention. Carlene Carther, Leeroy Parnell, I forget who else. He's making me curious about lots of singers and songs I never heard or never thought about before. Don't always agree with him (his interpretation of "Gimme Shelter" in his #2 album of 2005 Kathy Mattea blurb is completely nuts, and he apparently has no use for Miranda Lambert at all), but he's got lots of interesting ideas. So who the hell is he?

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're too lazy to look at the link:

>Mattea has the moral authority to cover "Gimme Shelter" and "Down On The Corner" - she's been a walking illustration of the virtues of peacemaking and creating art for pure joy that those songs respectively celebrate.<

Rape, Murder. It's just a shot away.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

For instance (as an example of singers he made me interested in AND current alt-country people who apparently used to be pop-country hitmakers though I didn't know it), Joy Lyn White. I dissed her album on the '05 thread (and in my Nashville Scene ballot comments, though thankfully Geof didn't print that part), but I was way wrong. "Girls With Apartments in Nasvhille" is still my favorite track on the album; working-woman-rock song of the year probably. I'm always a sucker for such stuff, and if it had been a single, I would've considered naming it on my Scene ballot. But there there are plenty of other good tracks here, and Joy's voice is as Martina McBride as it is Lucinda Williams, so what the hell was I thinking? I guess the songwriting hit me as generic, which I swear most of it is, though not "Just Some Girl" ("her skin is not like milk/her hair is not like silk/she's just some girl"). And obviously not the cover of (I'm pretty sure) Warren Zevon's cover of the Yardbirds' "A Certain Girl" as "Certain Boy." But how come nobody told me "Good Rockin' Mama" opens with garage-punk organs that make it sound like the 13th Floor Elevators' "You're Gonna Miss Me" and lead up to a garage-punk rave-up guitar climax? Or that the opener, "Keep This Love Alive," sounds like a rewrite of whichever track on Richard and Linda Thompson's *Shoot Out the Lights* ("Don't Renege On Our Love", maybe?) sounded like a rewrite of Link Wray's "Rumble"? And Joy's got a cool '60s-pop/maybe girl-group sound worthy of Deana Carter going on elsewhere, espcially in "Love Sometimes" and "Victim of Love" (great oh la la la la's in that one). Did fans of this album point all of this out last year? If so, I wasn't paying attention, and I am an jerk for it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Joy Lynn's pretty good, and I too love "Girls with Apartments in Nashville" (the song and the girls too). better than Amy Rigby, probably; JL's album took me a long time to appreciate, though, unlike Deana's. but I can't seem to find it at the moment, must be at my storage space...and is "Certain Girl" the old Ernie K-Doe/Toussaint song? how does the interpretation of "Gimme" tie in with Geoffrey's comments about sinning in '05? I dunno. but I agree about alt- and songwriting, Gary Allan's take on "Alright Guy" is really good. I think things are opening up in Nashville, lines becoming a bit less thickly drawn between alt and whatever, and I guess one of the things I try to imply in my whatsiz-essay on pop and country and pies is that mainstream does alt- better than alt or something. I ain't no Francis Bacon these days...

and been listening steady to Townes Van Zandt. I suppose I like the talking-blues aspect of him best of all, he basically talks his way thru the London concert from mid-'80s, and he's really charming, even turning the Elvis movie tune "Song of the Shrimp" (which Frank Black did sorta cool and sorta half-assed on last yr's "Honeycomb") into a mock dissertation on songwriting ("I can't believe this, now it gets worse...Jesus, just let me finish the thing...what were they thinking, now the shrimp is talking??") and talking his way thru "Pancho and Lefty." but there's something in his singing and speaking voice that gets you after a while, something basically good-humored and bemused at his own obsession with mortality, which somehow seems like a joke to him. at the same time, he's a bit boring, a bit samey, and I'm not sure about his allegories and poker tales, altho he has one strange sorta Hawthorne-like death song about a witch living in a hole. so I haven't quite gotten to the point of making up my mind--I do know the damned tempos are too slow for my taste--but I'm basically won over. and shit, Townes is the granddaddy of alt- as much as Gram or Gene Clark or Don Everly or the Flatlanders or...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

> is "Certain Girl" the old Ernie K-Doe/Toussaint song? <

Yeah! I'd forgotten that's where it dated back to; I've got in on one of those New Orleans compilations on Rhino, now that you mention it. (The Yardbirds did cover it though, right? Or am I just dreaming?)

& Joy Lynn definitely has way more music in her music than Amy Rigby.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, that psychedelic Myanmar album didn't even place on the reissues list.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought about mounting a defense of Joy Lynn White when she was taking fire last year or whenever, and wish I had. I guess I just didn't know how to respond to the digs against her Lucinda-ness. I mean, sure, there's a comparison there, but Joy Lynn is a fantastic singer, wholly different ball park from Lucinda's desiccation. I think her phrasing is more Dylanesque than anything, which is striking, maybe sui generis, for a pure country singer (cause she's that too). Bummer that she didn't make the Scene poll. I can't be the only one who voted for her.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 20 January 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link

*Yeah! I'd forgotten that's where it dated back to; I've got in on one of those New Orleans compilations on Rhino, now that you mention it. (The Yardbirds did cover it though, right? Or am I just dreaming?)

the Yardbirds did do it. everyone did those "Naomi Neville" Toussaint songs--like "Fortune Teller," gosh, everyone from the Stones to the O'Jays to Ringo Starr have done that one. I love those New Orleans guys so much--Smiley Lewis, Chris Kenner, K-Doe, Benny Spellman, Lee Dorsey...

speaking of New Orleans, the mayor should've thought hipper and said something about a "café au lait" city. Jeez, what I wouldn't give for a real Progress Grocery muffaletta right now, and a cold Abita beer.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

>the [Tom] Russell CD, which I bet *No Depression*ites totally embrace
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Just noticed his previous one placed #30 in their '05 poll. So, yeah.

xhuxk, Friday, 20 January 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

hey xhuxk, saw the Drive-By Truckers last night here in Athens, first show of a three-night homestand - you're the only person I know who's heard the new one (how DO you get 'em so fast? I remember bugging their publicist for two months after you first mentioned Dirty South on here before they finally sent me a copy) - anyway, can you help me fill in a couple of these song titles for the new cuts for a show review I'm writing up for the paper here?

1 - "hold my breath until next Wednesday" - I assume this one's "Wednesday" agreed that it's rote alt-country but not entirely unpleasant
2 - refrain is "don't be so easy on yourself" (Isbell sings this one, I liked it)
3 - "Blessing and a Curse" - not very memorable
4 - Gravity's Gone - Cooley sings it, lyrics about handjobs I think and waking sunny-side-up, this one's good
5 - "left w/o saying goodbye" - assume this one's "Goodbye" lyrics sound pretty treacly but I liked the bass on this one, hope it sounds as good on record
6 - "Daylight" (I think Isbell did this one, oh wait yeah this is the one where he's all full-throated screamy, I guess that's where you're getting the Radiohead/MMJ comparison from)
7 - "Feb 14" - slight but decent
8 - something like "wonder why it's taking me so long" also think I heard something about getting dirt off your good name, Cooley sang it and I'm fairly certain it wasn't an old song and hopefully not a cover b/c I really liked it, acoustic and very evocative
9 - "World of Hurt"

so really I guess I've figured 'em all out except 2 and 8.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

hey josh, i don't have the lyrics memorized! (and probably never will, since I don't like record), but here is the song list on the album; hope this helps!

Feb. 14
Gravity's Gone
Easy On Yourself
Aftermath USA
Goodbye
Daylight
Wednesday
Little Bonnie
Space City
A Blessing and a Curse
A World of Hurt

xhuxk, Friday, 20 January 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks, I guess they didn't play your favorite "Aftermath USA" or at least I don't think so, I left after "World of Hurt" cuz Patterson had said before it "we're gonna play one more new song and then some older stuff" and this was my 5th Truckers show so I didn't necessarily need to hear "Zip City" or "The Living Bubba" or "18 Wheels of Love" or whatever they might've played again when I had to get up for work at 7.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Alligator Stew, *Welcome to Monticello...Live!!!*: Funky Louisiana Southern hillbilly swamp semi-metal cdbaby.com discovery with a singer who sounds like Jim Dandy Mangrum and four other guys with long scraggly hair and mustaches and floppy black turkey-shooting hats. Live tracks are a little loose, being live, where people are probably drinking heavier than one should; I need to listen more to the studio CD they also sent, but that's at work and I'm at home with the live one instead now. "I Know You Too Well" somehow makes me flash on "You Got That Right" by Skynyrd; "You Gotta Give" somehow makes me ditto on "Hot Rod" by Black Oak Arkansas, though with both of em that's more due to the groove than anything else. In fact, though the vocals/guitar/piano are good, what really kills here is the rhythm section. (Though soon as I typed that it went into "The Heist," with a more expansive guitar jam opening than anything on Shooter Jenning's new album, into ballad-tempo words about factories closing: "There's a bank in Lafeyette where we get a loan," by robbing it apparently, just to get what they're rightly owed, but they're caught and wind up on death row; breaks down into parts where there's just singing over sparkling Purple/Uriah organ.) Covers of Seger's "Turn the Page" and CCR's "Green River/Susie Q." Good natured as hell. A keeper for sure, but more time required to gauge just how good it is.

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 January 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(Actually turns out the album basically winds down to a few slower spookier tracks than the whiskey party funk it starts out with; theme seems to be My City Was Gone. Last track "Far Beneath the Rubble" ends it all, talks of people lying in pools of blood and rats in the street. Could also be rememberances of a distant battlefield; hard to tell. Same mood as Nazareth's version of "The Ballad of Hollis Brown", though not as noisy.) (And by the way, Copperhead remind me of Nazareth the more I hear them as well, for whatever it's worth.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 January 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Steve Howe/Dixie Dregs-style progabilly hoedown album of the year so far (NOT a cdbaby.com find, how about that?), in case you wondered, is *What Day Is It?* by Bob Drake, whoever he is. (Apparently some French guy.) He sings more like Jon Anderson than John Anderson, but there is still some manner in which this definitely fits on the country thread. (Actually, the liner notes say he lives in France, but he comes from the Midwest somehwere, and he orignally released the album by himself in a small edition in 1994.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 January 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

>what really kills here is the rhythm section<

though lots of times it just settle for just choogling somewhat lazily (which is fine, too.) and i won't absolutely swear they do anything as funky as the gator song on shooter's CD, or the jerry reed song where amos moses becomes gator bait. that'd be a close contest.

switching gears, i just noticed that in my second book i attribute "up against the wall redneck mothers" to bobby bare. amazing song, but i forgot that he'd done it, and i don't remember it being mentioned in all the bare talk in the past year. is he the one who had the biggest hit with it, or was that somebody else? was it an outlaw move for him, or what?

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 January 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Hello,
I was sent this link by poster xhuzk in an e-mail about my blog (http://countryuniverse.blogspot.com - end cheap plug here.)

I enjoyed reading the posts and I am looking forward to perusing the archives. I try to listen to as much different music as possible and I'm hoping you guys mention some great stuff I missed.

Thanks for the nice words about my blog. I want to clarify the Mattea comment I made because I think I didn't explain it clearly in the original post. From my point of view, Mattea took two classic songs that aren't easily covered, and I wanted to make the point that the songs are consistent with her musical identity and not just a cheap ploy to sell more records. With the attitude toward the war souring, and never having been very positive to begin with, there have been an avalanche of posturing music stars singing peace songs old and new. Mattea has been recording songs in that vein for a long time and I wanted to make the point that she has the moral authority to sing a song like "Gimme Shelter" because she's always had that worldview and incorporated it into her music; she's not like, say, Madonna suddenly adding "Imagine" to her set list last year.

With "Down On The Corner", which celebrates singing music for pure pleasure, there are few contemporary country artists who can truly claim to be doing that. I think with Mattea walking away from a major label deal (it's a little-known fact that Mercury prez Luke Lewis didn't want her to go) and now recording self-produced albums with her road band that are crafted while playing small venues across the country, she seems to be as close to the spirit of that song as reasonably possible.

I still don't know if that explains things any better, but "moral authority" just meant, to me, that she has the credibility to sing both songs with conviction and not seem like she's just doing a trendy cover or glorified karaoke.

Kevin C., Sunday, 22 January 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Kevin, glad you're here, especially since you seem to know about a thousand times more about country than I do.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 22 January 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's the link to the Geoffrey Himes essay that accompanies the Nashville Scene poll. Himes is a good guy, and I think his generalizations about c&w vs. pop and rock 'n' roll are more right than wrong, and he's thinking about a lot of the same issues I started thinking about at age 9 and 10 when I discovered that I was most moved by "The Defenders" and "The Virginian" (TV shows at the time) when they had unhappy endings. That said, Geoffrey's essay comes off way too smug and self-congratulatory, and his plumping for the honesty of "There's More Where That Came From" and "Alcohol" seems strained to the point of speciousness. (How is "There's More Where That Came From" more honest (or whatever) than last year's "Stays in Mexico"?) Maybe those songs do a good job of reflecting the country audience's ambivalence about sex and booze, but they do nothing at all to stretch or explore or challenge anything, that I can hear. Which doesn't make them bad songs; it's the attempt to justify them by their supposed honesty which I don't buy into. Also, Himes' terms of justification are pure rebel rock, not country's at all: It was the Kinks who waved their freak flag by singing "I don't say that I feel fine like everybody else," and that's what Himes is doing, saying we're not like everybody else and congratulating us - the voters - for it. Alt all the way.

I might or might not have more to say on this subject. I think it's possible Himes has read Robert Warshow's excellent essay "The Gangster as Tragic Hero." Himes is raising interesting issues; he's just not willing to turn the searchlight onto the voters or onto himself.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 22 January 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Here are the comments I included with my ballot (the first bit repeats stuff I wrote upthread; I repeat myself a lot these days):

I surprised myself with how much I ended up liking the Jamie O'Neal album, which I'd badmouthed a lot during the year. I'd say that Gary Allan has generally stronger songs, and he's a beautiful singer, but what works for him is to figure out how to approach a song and then to just follow that approach, consistently. I finally rated O'Neal higher because her music breathes more freely. In the midst of her dramatic story of the stripper - "Devil on the Left," best song on the album - she breaks into scat singing for no particular reason, but this works, as if the dance in her singing correlates to the striptease. And this is important because it's the music and not the lyrics that makes the case for the stripper's dance.

It's a cliché but accurate to say that country & western is split emotionally between a desire for home and family on the one hand and the urge to range wild and free on the other. This can either be a profound paradox or a lazy inconsistency depending on the artistry involved. Shannon Brown's "Corn Fed" is very catchy but appalling in its stupidity: on the one hand she says that in her happy heartland they leave doors unlocked so as not to keep anybody out, on the other she brags that there ain't nothin' but country on the radio. The average eight year old can see the hypocrisy in that one, and for an adult to write such a song and not notice its bullshit requires a deliberate deadening of the intellect. (Gawd, if there were an actual community that said this about itself, how would its teenagers avoid growing up insane? By listening to Young Jeezy records, perhaps, and dreaming of being gangstas.)

But it's the emotional split asserting itself, the gap between one ideal (wild and free, everybody welcome) and another (everybody united in values). Jamie O'Neal's got the split too, which she avoids confronting directly. Her mom-is-a-hero-in-the-home lecture is in one song, her girls'-night blowout is in another. In "Devil On the Left" - where the two ideals co-exist - the words sidestep just what is supposed to count as the angel's dominion and what the devil's: you assume that the strip show belongs to the devil, but does this mean dancing and pleasure belongs to the devil as well? There's a hint in the song that the preacher who prays for her is the one who eventually marries her and takes her to the corn-fed picket-fence land of the happy ending. But in marrying her he gets the carnal dance she'd previously sold to everyone. (The most touching of the many touching moments on Deana Carter's album is where she in effect asks the angels for permission to have a love affair.)

In general I like music that overspills its container, though for this to work well there has to be a good container in the first place. So that's my version of the split (Nietzsche's melding of Dionysius and Apollo, I suppose, though I haven't read Birth of Tragedy in thirty years so don't really know). Anyway, alt-country - alt anything, actually, including the Nashville Scene and New Times and the Village Voice - has its own version of this paradox/inconsistency: it claims to ride free - to be alternative, to overspill its container - and at the same time it turns "we overspill our container" into a container itself, a niche for the likeminded, and without a lot of motion in the niche. Really, Jamie O'Neal's music has way more splish and splash than Mary Gauthier's does, even if the latter claims to be an emotional cascade.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 22 January 2006 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Dancing and pleasure belong [not belongs] to the devil.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 22 January 2006 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

amazing song, but i forgot that he'd done it, and i don't remember it being mentioned in all the bare talk in the past year. is he the one who had the biggest hit with it, or was that somebody else? was it an outlaw move for him, or what?

I'm pretty sure Jerry Jeff Walker had the biggest hit with "Up Against the Wall (Redneck Mother" -- written by Ray Wylie Hubbard, who is still underrated outside of Texas. xhuxk and others might prefer Ray's uber-substance-abused outlaw stuff from the late '70s and early '80s, though I think it's all out of print. He's become a friend, so I won't plug his post-substance Rounder albums too much (they're probably too singer/songwritery for this thread, though would it were more country-folkies had his humor and guitar chops). He's got a new record coming out in the spring. And he's become kind of a godfather to the Cory Morrows and Pat Greens of Austin. Oh, his "Conversation With the Devil" says Satan won the fiddle duel in Georgia. When Ray does "Redneck Mother" live he turns it into a frickin hilarious song-effacing genesis tale of outlaw country itself. I can YSI that if folks want to hear it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 22 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

So that's my version of the split (Nietzsche's melding of Dionysius and Apollo, I suppose, though I haven't read Birth of Tragedy in thirty years so don't really know).

Two Nietzche and country connections in less than a week. We need to get Greil over to this thread.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 22 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Welcome, Kevin C.! As I said above, I think the breadth of knowledge you display about contemporary country on your site makes the rest of us seem like poseurs in comparison; I'm in awe. But I guess my problem with your Mattea comment, which I didn't really explain above (besides the fact that I'm not sure any singer requires "moral authority" to cover anything), is that I've never in my life dreamed anybody would hear "Gimme Shelter" as a peacemaking song. Which obviously is not to deny that I could be heard that way, I guess.

Frank's basically right about Geoff Himes's essay, I think. Even though I listen to way more Nasvhille country than a few years ago, and to my ears I *do* believe it's improved, I definitely don't think it's improved, as I think he implies, by moving toward alt or "getting back on track" (not a direct quote, but the gist of his argument); I'm not so sure I buy that it ever really got off track in the first place. And if it did, that stupidly smug and typically dull Alan Jackson kvetch he mentioned about not-quite-country two-minute love songs was probably more a SYMPTOM of its getting-off-trackness than a solution or answer to it (same with whoever did the dumb murder on music row one -- that was Alan and George, right? Compared to those two guys, most country was *right* to head more popward.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

And I have a feeling that Kevin C., judging from his site, could come up with *tons* of examples where Nasvhille's "formula" left room for "human weakness" throughout the late '90s and early '00s, no matter what Geoff thinks.

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Hello again.

I guess I should note that Mattea drops the "rape, murder" part of "Gimme Shelter" and by doing so, the song works perfectly as a metaphor for a country on the brink of war. It's not so much a peacemaking song as a stark warning that peace is about to be broken and bad things will come because of it, I suppose.

Regarding country music's quality, I've posted a few times on my blog that I think the genre has suddenly had an artistic resurgence in the past two years, with 2005 being the first truly great year since 1996 or 1997. I suspect, however, that this is just a perception in my head, because access to a lot of different music suddenly opened up through iTunes (for me) and it's so much easier for me to go hear an album that's getting great reviews. For example, "Begonias." I never heard of that album until it started popping up on Best of 2005 lists, but I went and sampled it, bought it, and it popped up on my own list in the end.

This easy access reminds me of the golden era of CMT, when they used to play solid videos 24/7 and everybody had close to equal rotation. So many albums I bought and artists I discovered because of CMT. Remember the first Lari White, Sara Evans, Shania Twain, Martina McBride & Mavericks albums that flopped? I bought them because of CMT. I discovered Bruce Robison, Bobbie Cryner, Joy Lynn White, Mandy Barnett, Johnny Cash's "American Recordings", Willie Nelson's "Spirit" and "Teatro", Emmylou Harris' "Cowgirl's Prayer", Carlene Carter, Matraca Berg, Pirates of the Mississippi, Radney Foster, and even Todd Snider on CMT. I never cared much for radio. I got my music fix from the videos. The new digital delivery methods have opened up the doors again for me to hear a lot of great new music, much like CMT did a decade ago. I worry that maybe 1998-2003 weren't bad years for country music, but rather I just happened to miss a lot of great music that came out.


Kevin C., Sunday, 22 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Generally, I've liked watching CMT and the recent round of CDs by
the MontgomeryGentry-Big & Rich-Gretchen Wilson shtick. But this is now officially way out of hand. If there was a death penalty for writing about this stuff as if it shows some aspect of genuineness, these people would all be at the bottom of a trench with lime sprinkled on them.

Last year or longer, from:

Let's all write the same thing at once! Gretchen Wilson provokes wistful nostalgia for Hee-Haw Nation

Today's Sunday LA Times FEATURE, again fit for THEY PHONED IT IN: on Gretchen Wilson -- genuine redneck woman, putting 'redneck' back in country, setting the stage for a new breed of do-it-yourself redneck stars. Hoo-boy, do we love rednecks like this one in el_Lay media, just not our local rednecks, of which there are thousands.

===

Dateline Nashville -- "When Gretchen Wilson reached for a paper cup during an interview on her tour bus, I assumed she was going to pour some coffee. Instead, she brought the empty cup to her mouth and casually spit into it -- brown tobacco juice."

Proof she's a redneck woman? Or maybe she's just crass, chaw spitters being a dime-a-dozen from east coast to west.

"No wonder record executives in this country music capital all but ducked under their desks when the former Illinois bartender and bouncer (and 'bouncer' is gold-plated intelligence-insulting bullshit) came calling time after time only a few years ago looking for a countract..."

"Now, here was someone who'd remind all those pop fans that country music is the land of Hee-Haw and trailer parks..."

"Eager to find Wilsons of their own, execs may now even be ordering spittons.

"A songwriter who collaborates with Wilson says/claims/spouts: "...the country audience related to her right away. She was drinking a beer in her videos and belching. Now everyone is trying to sign a redneck..."

Wilson's mother worked at "a bare-knuckle bar" where "a 12-gauge shotgun was kept."
===

I'd include more but it is really too phoned in.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 22 January 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

George, in regard to that Gretchen Wilson thread: the "Christmas lights" line really is the only one worth quoting from "Redneck Woman." But yeah, not only are those stories phoned in, they might as well be promo copy.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 22 January 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I always found the "xmas lights" ref amusing. Living in Schuylkill County for half my life, it definitely was a redneck thing. One remarkable year, the town left its xmas ornaments up until June. But having lived a third in Pasadena, here it's not exclusive to rednecks. It's an all tastes, creeds and colors thing.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 22 January 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

the esquire guide to country music, is remarkable for its pop tones, and its silliness, but the feature article on tim mcgraw is well worth reading

i think that gretchen wilson is better then her personae lets on.

Anthony Easton, Monday, 23 January 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

metal thread post redux:

>Alligator Stew studio album *A First Taste of Alligator Stew* from 1991 sounds tougher, tighter, meaner, and brawnier than the live one I talk about above, with more gunslinger ballads, more cowbell (in "four winds"), more comprehensible words about actual alligator rassling (in "shiner," where the singer keeps saying he's a shiner, a job which, though i've never heard the phrase before, seems to have something to do with bagging large carnivorous reptiles); also, turns out that "blood money" (here in both electric and acoustic versions) is about an offer of $7000 to get off your feet but you have to kill your brother to get it, wow; i'd thought it was about robbing a bank, but apparently i was wrong. also, with the clearer fidelity, it's now obvious the singer grunts or groans more like meat loaf or billy ray cyrus (i.e., aiming for springsteen, probably) than like jim dandy mangrum, which i do not mean as an insult. the fellow can really sing.

xhuxk, Monday, 23 January 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

>And Alligator Stew's ballads intersperse the gunslinger laments with plenty of factory-closing/bank-foreclosing laments, often in the same song. The gunslinging is just a part of the economics of it all.

xhuxk, Monday, 23 January 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Samantha Jo, self-titled EP, available from cdbaby.com or samanthajomartin.com: Potential teen-pop country, but for the five songs *only* potential: the voice is there, and two songs ("He's Always There," about her Dad though maybe also about Jesus who knows, and "These Days") are actually about getting up for school despite not being a morning person and checking email and stopping by McDonald's in Dad's truck and doing homework, but the production isn't there, and the songs all seem too slow to pop. But then, BAM! track six, "time for summer," she makes her hope partlow "crazy summer nights" move, or maybe her undertones "here comes the summer" move (no kidding, that's what the chorus sounds like, totally kicking and bubblicious), or her hope partlow plus undertones equals skye sweetnam move, and the talking parts have a rap flow staight out of, I dunno, "we didn't start the fire" by billy joel maybe, and the band rocks, and it makes me want to go back and listen to the rest again to see what I may have missed, and I will, just not right this second.

xhuxk, Monday, 23 January 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Looks like the summer song (along with the get up in the morning and do homework and check email one "These Days") were produced by Karl Demer in Minneapolis, whereas the other four tracks were produced by Jim Kimball in Nashville. Odd how they save the great one for the end; maybe they're afaid it would scare away Nashville record labels?

xhuxk, Monday, 23 January 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

So has anybody mentioned that "Than Shin Ley Ye Khan" by Saing Saing Maw, the first and best track on *Guitars of the Golden Triangle: Folk and Pop Music of Mynanmar (Burma) Vol. 2* (filed amid my F CD compilations rather than my G ones since the subtitle rather than the title is on the CD spine) is basically, or even blatantly, a cover of "Lightin' Bar Blues" by Hoyt Axton (also covered by Brownsville Station and lots of other people, including some hard rocking garage band last year whose name I forget)? I thought this was obvious the very first time I played the CD, but I never mentioned it, and can't remember anybody else mentioning it since either. Though maybe I missed it, or maybe they thought it was too obvious to point out, too.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

LIGHTNING Bar Blues, I mean

xhuxk, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

new Hank Williams III
is a two-disc set: one songs,
second ONE LONG TRACK

mixing cover tunes,
original psych rock and
covering hank I

I haven't heard it yet o nym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The rest of the Samantha Jo EP, before the summer song, is better than I thought. There's subtly swaying rhythmic stuff going on, for one thing -- waltz in "That's My Way," smooth jazz in the slightly creepy love-song-to-Dad "He's Always There," a slight Latin lilt at the start of "These Days." And one of the two truly slow songs, "Look What Love Has Done To Me," has Samantha's voice picking up in a way that's as much adult contemporary than pop-country; actually, its opening kind of reminds me of "Foolish Beat" by Debbie Gibson. But Samantha is clearly way more enthusiastic singing about teenage life than grown-up romance, and "Time For Summer" is the ultimate proof: "I Wanna Be 21/On the run/having fun/in the sun/lookin for someone/just like me/who oughta be/feelin free/come with me/cause baby it's time for summer." "Let's go Romeo/All the way to Mexico." "When I feel your embrace the sparks turn to fireworks." "White sand/Rayban/finally got a great tan." "We're young and strong and baby we can do no wrong." Wow.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

So has anybody mentioned that "Than Shin Ley Ye Khan" by Saing Saing Maw, the first and best track on *Guitars of the Golden Triangle: Folk and Pop Music of Mynanmar (Burma) Vol. 2* (filed amid my F CD compilations rather than my G ones since the subtitle rather than the title is on the CD spine) is basically, or even blatantly, a cover of "Lightin' Bar Blues" by Hoyt Axton (also covered by Brownsville Station and lots of other people, including some hard rocking garage band last year whose name I forget)?

(1) It's one of maybe about 12 "best" songs on that album, which doesn't have a bad one and would have made my Pazz & Jop ballot if I'd listened to it a couple of days earlier (it's the Burmese album I shoehorned onto my Nashville Scene reissues list).

(2) I just listened to 30-second streamed clips of Brownsville Stations', Hanoi Rocks', and Commander Cody's versions of "Lightnin' Bar Blues," and damned if I don't think you're right, Chuck (though "Lightnin' Bar Blues" may possibly be a knockoff of some earlier rockabilly track). The way Saing Saing Maw sings it reminds me of Ricky Nelson: Relaxed. As Dylan says, not rootin' the mountain down.

(3) Chuck, did the Robyn CD arrive?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Dylan was talking about Ricky Nelson, not about Saing Saing Maw.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

> waltz in "That's My Way," <

Oops, the waltz is "Heart Over Head Over Heels." "That's the Way" is more like a zigzag (at leat that's what Samantha says: "gotta zig gotta zag gotta travel my jagged road." To Mexico with Romeo, maybe. But she also says she changes direction like a pendulum, and this song doesn't, and nor does it swing like England and a pendulum do.)

I did get Robyn, Frank, thanks! I like it, especially "Konichiwa Bitches," though I doubt I like that anywhere near as much as "Jam On It" or "Attack of the Name Game." Enjoy the rest; not sure yet how much. (CD-Rs are always hard for to motivate myself to listen to!)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Robert Gordon fans and people who like the Mavericks more than I do and maybe people who liked the first Blasters album on that little rockabilly label more than the second or third ones might well appreciate the Cadillac Angels (from Santa Barbara I gather) more than I do. To me, though, their songs with vocals come off as just some kinda antiseptic reverent uncrazy teddy-boy shtick. I like it better when they cover Link Wray (which they obsessively do at least four times on the three CDs they sent, not even counting the track they title "Wray Gunn") or "Peter Gunn," but even those, scores of bands have obviously done wilder. *16 Tons of Twang* gets the nod over *Spanish Train* and *Illinois Boy* for being more instrumental, but sad to say I can't in good conscience recommend any of the three.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

New Tres Chicas on Yep Roc: Really good singing, natch, but eeek, the songwriting is more strained and hookless than anything I've heard in 12 1/2 years, I think. One song compares a lover's heart to "400 Flamingos" (because they're pink? no, wait, 'cause the heart has flown away) and others seem crypto-nu christian in their wholesome love of love and comfort to all our bleeding wounds. Political song "Man of the People" is OK, but less for the politics, more for a nice trio harmony on "whoah ohh." Band sometimes plays real pretty, sometims sounds like they're waiting to get their teeth cleaned. If ND goes for this, which I fear they will, it will be proof positive that the alt-country audience has given up both the alt and the country and settled for the flat line in between.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

What if Pink entitled her next album Flamingos?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Or Pink: *Flamencos.*

Shawn Camp *Fireball* on now; he wrote "Two Pina Coladas" for Garth and "How Long Gone" (which I don't remember off the top of my head) for Brooks and Dunn. He sounds like Ricky Skaggs with (sometimes, when he's good) John Anderson's or Blake Shelton's self-effacingly cornball sense of humor (though Skaggs himself could be self-effacingly humorous too, come to think of it). He's got as much bluegrass in him as Dierks Bentley, I guess; i.e., not enough to make him seem like a priss, but enough to make things interesting. Not a purist, in other words, and plenty of fast catchy songs. Leaning toward liking "Fireball" (about a gal), "The Way It Is" (is the way it was is the way it's gonna be, or something like that) "Hotwired" (multifaceted title metaphor), "Beagle Hound" (about his dawg), and "Drank" (about drinking) most, at least so far. Seems like he's not so good with the dark deathbound stuff, but I could be wrong.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I just listened to the first two tracks on Catfish Haven's Please Come Back EP. The first ("Please Come Back") is Otis Redding–type vocals over garage-rock/garage-soul unison strum and drum pounding, and I like the emotionalism. Good track, though as it goes on it's a bit too much of the same thing, and my mind wanders.

Second song ("You Can Have Me") they're doing pretty much the same, the melody is almost as good, though the arrangement is more ordinary and less garage; and oddly enough I hate this track - falls into the category of "some guy trying to sing soul." I hear all the weaknesses that didn't bother me on track one, the singer not quite hitting the notes (the rough-hewn delivery masking the misses), out-of-tune backup singing. New Jersey white soul? They're a Chicago band, but they feel like Jersey.

I may report further when I listen more. Probably my liking for track one will diminish somewhat, and my tolerance for track two will increase.

(You know, Jagger and Sinatra were never quite hitting the notes, either, but despite this they hit thought and emotion on the noggin - when they were at their best, anyway. I wonder why something works in one situation and not another.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

One problem I have with Shawn Camp (more than with Anderson or Shelton; closer to Skaggs maybe?), is that he sometimes seems unduly PROUD of his self-effacing cornballism; he clearly thinks it's really cute. I'm not sure why I get that idea, though. And often, it IS cute (things some girl hotwires: his Chevy, his phone, his ceiling fan, his coffee pot, his guitar, his heart, his brain, a police car), so why shouldn't he think so? Maybe because Anderson and Shelton's self-effacement generally strikes me as less clean-cut? I dunno; I'm tired, I didn't get enough sleep. Anyway, another thing I noticed is that Camp's catchier songs often dance a speedy two-step, and he gets a strong rhythm into both his vocal and guitar parts; "Love Crazy," I think it is, has him *talking* in rhythm, and "Waiting For The Day to Break" (which I might wind up preferring to several of the less generically lyriced songs that I list above) has a tough blues swing.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, "Beagle Hound" has barking dog sound effects and "Drank" has glugging and beer bottle cap twisting sound effects, not to mention (in the latter) lots of silly high pitched mouth sounds and chuckles that suggest Shawn maybe studied the Charlie Poole box set last year.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

(I hope this isn't a double post. I keep getting poxy fuled, so this is my second shot at it)

I wonder if fewer people voted for singles than albums in the Scene poll. This could explain why singles I like did better than albums I like; people with my taste have more of an impact.

(But I also usually prefer the singles to the albums that place in Pazz & Jop, and though there are fewer singles voters there, this is not enough to give people like me a special impact. Rather, people's taste gets better when they go for singles, and maybe the best singles artists clutter up their albums with ballads and stuff that drive away the album voters.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I hate the fact that this year they didn't list vote totals. Whose idea was that? It makes the presentation feel less honest. You can't tell if Lee Ann won by a landslide with a bunch of people in a distant pack behind her (which is my bet as to what happened), or if it's an evenly spaced line of contenders. My guess is that Mary Gauthier's numbers are a lot closer to Shooter Jennings' than to Lee Ann Womack's, even though on the list she's a lot closer to Womack.

Also, they seem to have truncated the section overall this year, used fewer comments, though I haven't compared the column inches.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

>I wonder if fewer people voted for singles than albums in the Scene poll. This could explain why singles I like did better than albums I like; people with my taste have more of an impact.<

Maybe the alt-country types are less likely to vote for singles? That would be my guess. (Also, wasn't there one guy who said he voted for alt-country albums, but let his 19 year old daughter pick her favorite pop country singles? Or did I just dream that one up?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The problem posed by any discussion of what qualifies as "country" is that the term refers both to an expansive musical category and a restrictive radio format. One reflection of this is the disconnect on my ballot between the top country albums and singles. I fill out the former category, exercising a lot of critical latitude as to what constitutes country. My 18-year-old daughter fills out the latter, based on preferences formed by power-rotation airplay. I almost never listen to country radio; she almost never listens to anything else. Yet not only do we both love country music, we appreciate a lot of the same country music (from Shooter Jennings and Alison Krauss to Gretchen Wilson and Brooks & Dunn). Maybe these two countries aren't totally different after all.
—Don McLeese

(But I don't see that preferences based on power-rotation airplay disallow critical latitude as to what counts as country.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesting that you'd remembered her as 19. I remembered her as 17. I wonder what this says about her. (I think that I trust the taste of 17 year olds more than the taste of 18 and 19 year olds.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Though wait, I take that back: at 18 I was more likely to accept the possible greatness of performers like the Beach Boys and Shangri-Las and Supremes and the Carpenters than I was at 17.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

You know that's not half bad. What's the context?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

saw Hayseed Dixie do a short set the other night. fun stuff, great version of "War Pigs," and they do up "Dueling Banjos" complete with behind-the-back banjo Hendrix. and, tell some funny jokes, like the one about how the "Deliverance" movie was inaccurate, since why would anyone wanna bugger Ned Beatty when you have the young studly Burt Reynolds? "there's no way those ol' boys would've been such poor shots, if they could hit a buck at 1000 feet they sure as hell could've gotten Beatty's ass..." and also caught Amy LaVere's act--I had done a short thing on her new album and thought it was a bit watered-down sounding. turns out she does Sun-a-billy and honky-tonk (an amazing version of "Swinging Doors" not to mention a fine raucous take on John Hurt's "Candyman" by their very fine guitarist) really well, has a sense of humor, is sexy, and good taste in covers. so she could really go somewhere, I think. the record is really more of a singer-songwriter thing, but for that, not bad at all. did I mention she's really sexy?

got several things to assess here, I've been playing catchup for the past week, just can't shake this flu. including the new Hank III, which came today, and the new Rhett Akins. but tonight, excited to be seeing Bettye LaVette!!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

>Hayseed Dixie <

Hmmm...heard their new album a month or two ago and didn't think it was that good. Are these the same guys who put out an all bluegrass album of AC/DC covers a few years ago? Or was that somebody else? Either way, seems like a way too obvious shtick that wasn't funny in the first place, being the same kind of joke indie bands have worn into the ground since the Replacements two decades ago, plus like all joke-metal it's completely redundant, somehow missing the fact that you don't need to *make* hard rock funny, because it was funny on purpose in the first place. Anyway, grumpiness over with, I actually thought the two least annoying songs on the new Hayseed Dixie album were their version of Green Day's "Holiday" and an original called "Kirby Hill," mainly because their energy was better when I can't remember a version of the song that's way more energetic, and it's been a long time since I played that Green Day album. "Black Dog," "War Pigs," "Ace of Spades," and a couple other originals ("Mountain Man," "Marijuana") seemed tolerable (once), but the shtick wore out its welcome way too quick. On the other hand, I *can* kind of see how they'd be fun to be in a room with while drinking beer, especially if they cracked wise about *Deliverance* between songs.

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Turns out Neil Brockbank produced the Tres Chicas record and the band is mostly Brits. I like Brockbank's work with Nick Lowe but not sure what happened on these stifled sessions. Lowe guests somewhere, but he didn't bring any hooks.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 27 January 2006 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

so turns out hayseed dixie get the lead review in time out NY's music section this week, and yep, they're the ones who made the bluegrass ac/dc album(s); i guess "hayseed dixie" (their name) sort of *sounds* like "ac/dc," if you mumble it? i dunno. anyway, i gotta say they kinda piss me off. why would anybody listen to their crap instead of actual country or metal records? i don't get it. being the musical answer to a trucker's hat in williamsburg is nothing to be proud of.

xhuxk, Friday, 27 January 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

the video for brad paisleys when i get to heaven, can anyone explain the presence of reagon? i mean i kind of get the cashes, but they still are a little jarring--but ronnie raygun...can we talk about this

Anthony Easton, Friday, 27 January 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Charlie Robison said it best: "Brad Paisley is a stupid motherfucker."

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 27 January 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

sort of destroys my published opinon dont it (who is charlie robinson?)

Anthony Easton, Friday, 27 January 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Charlie Robison

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Not that it matters, but isn't Robison also married to a Dixie Chick?

werner T., Friday, 27 January 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah and his brother writes songs for them and is married to kelly willis and he writes songs for her too

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 27 January 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

hey anthony, do you mean the video for "When I Get Where I'm Going"? I'd like to see it, but every video I'm finding online craps out on my Mac.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 27 January 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

thats the video i mean, macs make me sad too, have you tried aol music?

Anthony Easton, Saturday, 28 January 2006 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

singles I like did better than albums I like

Well, yes and no. Looking at the poll again, I see that seven of my albums made the list (which is way more than ever make the P&J list) while only four of the singles. But my four singles were all bunched at the top, in the top six, whereas my albums spread throughout the top 25. But given that I have heard most of the placing singles I didn't vote for, whereas I haven't heard most of the albums, I'm really not in the position to judge whether the singles list was better than the albums. I just normally assume that singles lists are better than album lists.

Got the in-print copy of the Scene; this year it came without a T-shirt, and none of our comments were in the print version. That and no numbers listed with the votes makes this the ever-shrinking critics poll. (And I'm damned if I can figure out why the Scene thinks a boot on the cover would be more enticing than Lee Ann's warm, engaging mug and upper torso.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 28 January 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the tip, Anthony. (Never would have guessed aolmusic was mac friendly.) The video is pitch-perfect for Brad and for the subject and the song form. I can't place everybody in it (but that's John Carter Cash with the photo of Johnny & June) and Michael Reagan holding up the photo of his dad. Paisley's politics aren't clear to me (is Too Country as political as he gets?) but the interweb says that Michael Reagan is a big fan and has had Brad on his show. Ronnie, obviously, is as country as rhinestones, so it's not too surprising that he shows up. The video mostly made me think of 9/11, as in shots of people holding up photos of lost kin. And I wonder why he didn't feature a soldier killed in Iraq.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 28 January 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Electric Boogie Dawgs, *Sloppy Fast & Loud,* barbandboogiecowpunkbilly cdbaby.com band George mentioned somewehere above: I totally approve. Catchy, rocking, good sense of humor, not ugly. Pretty much what you'd hope a band with songs called *Rock and Roll Barbecue" and "Dead Toad Boogie" and "See Y'all in Hell" and "Rockasaurus" would sound like. (In the latter, the singer goes to a bar where the DJ is playing crappy techno music.)

Also listening to a pile of Southern soul discovered via CD-baby channels. The album by a jowly guy named Jimmy Taylor leans toward the blues end of things (with lady backup vocals not far from the ones on last year's Bobby Bare album); the EP by the lady named Candis Palmer ("All Men Ain't Dawgs,* since some are electric boogie dawgs apparently) leans toward the disco end; the single by Harold, "Chill Step Party," is steppin' music. He mentions Milwaukee, Chitown, Harlem, and Atlanta in it. More fun than R. Kelly, as far as I'm concerned, but mainly all this stuff obviously has a connection to county music too.

xhuxk, Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(and though candis palmer is happy to have found a man who is not a dawg, jimmy taylor insists that when women say they're looking for a good man, they're lying. really, he says, they're looking for a fool.) (apparently the kinda fool who will let her spend all his money.) (he also directly quotes zz hill's "cheating in the next room in one of his songs.) (he's from alabama; I don't know where candis or harold are from. they're not actually on cdbaby.com per se, but i was sent their cds in the same package that the jimmy taylor CD came in.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd say electric boogie dawgz (with a z, oopz) sound like a funkier and funnier and more kicking version of the first 12-inch jason and the scorchers EP (praxis OR major label version -- a compliment either way), but here's their own description from their cdbaby page, which I don't totally buy: "Imagine walking into a smoky, beer-soaked roadhouse with ZZ Top, Supersuckers and George Thorogood grinding out a relentless boogie groove together onstage. Meanwhile, David Lee Roth, Ted Nugent and Ween play poker in a corner booth while Slash and Chuck Berry shoot pool. You go to the bar to order a drink and the ghost of Waylon Jennings pours you a double bourbon ..."

xhuxk, Saturday, 28 January 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

jimmy taylor on his album is totally paranoid, and in just about every song he's either cheating or being cheated on or both, and as i said, he seems fully convinced that his woman is going to put him in the poor house (where, in real life, for all i know, he may already be.) in "you're busted" he hires a private detective to follow her around, and gets a photo of her cheating. "love catcher" has a pretty good sax solo. and though some songs sound more blues to me than soul, a couple (like "all i want is you") still veer more toward disco than anybody in country music has, i think, even shannon brown on her new album.

candis palmer, as i said, gets even more disco, but her disco is maybe 1975 where taylor's is 1973. (i think i wrote on the '05 thread that shannon brown's disco sounded 1979, but maybe that was hyperbole; i'm not sure. these two soul singers FEEL more disco.) but even at her most disco, in a song called "don't let someone else come and jingle my bell" or something, palmer gets backed by HARD blues guitar riffs, so the music really rocks. if i had to compare her vocal style to anybody, it'd be the staple singers in "i'll take you there."

xhuxk, Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't hear no Ween, Supersuckers or Slash in Electric Boogie Dawgz. They do an amusing number, however, that mocks guitar solos. As said, I liked the album way more than the Shack-Shakers' Pandelirium. It's more direct, gets down to rocking out without the baggage of goofball mythos the Shakers' now tote. Better sense of humor for the LP, less gimickry, none actually. Plus they'd like to be a red state hard rock bar band a roots rock band in altie-land at the 9:30 clubs.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

when is the pazz and jop poll being released, does anyone get a version of the paper copy of the nashville scene poll, the weird thing is that i assume paisley is far far right (i also assume the same thing about toby keith, but his politics are alot more strange), but i cant really get a textual bead on why i think this (well i have some, but they are really slippery...and i dont know why i find that fascinating.)

the esquire story i was talking about, about tim mcgraw, was mostly good ol boy wanking, but it said a couple of things, he said that he can sing the hell out of any shit, and the only way tht he can ever hit it out of the ball park is to chose decent writers, which is really obvious, but remains unstated, and this was said by an anon nashville exec. the other thing is that he not only outed himself as a centerleft democrat, and he wants to run for senator of tennessee--what do we think about tht, what are his chances?

has anyone heard the new roseanne cash, as well, can we talk about that

Anthony Easton, Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Just wanted to let you know that though "Kerosene" knocked off long-time champ "Be Mine!" a
couple of weeks ago over
over on Poptimists, it seems now to be getting its clock cleaned by "Nth Degree."

And in what may be a stunning upset at the Poptimists World Cup, Trinidad & Tobago are (is?) currently leading their group; if they hold on, this will mean that at least one of highly regarded Sweden and highly regarded England will not pass forward to round two. Paraguay, managed by our own Anthony Easton, may be overmatched, but gutty performances by a duo who seem to be Spanish-language equivalents of Glen Campbell and Bobby Goldsboro are keeping them still in contention.

And, right on cue, the day after I described the Paraguayans as like Campbell and Goldsboro, the Time-Life classic country Sweet Country Ballads CD arrived through the mail, featuring our heroes Glen ("By the Time I Get to Phoenix") and Bobby ("Honey"). This is appropriate in so many ways, especially given that my Pazz & Jop commentary was all about Pazz & Jop's - and my - inability to come to terms with ballads. The antho has also done me a service by reminding me that the first Top 40 I song I ever loved was Skeeter Davis's "The End of the World," and that one of the first 100 Top 40 songs I ever liked was George Hamilton IV's "Abilene." And that even after having listened to "Detroit City" 20 times in the last several months, I still love "Detroit City" the 21st time.

Also has Ray Price's "For the Good Times." What intrigues me is that this full-scale stringed-up and orchestrated sorrowful ballad doesn't remind me nearly as much of Johnny Ray as do the two old honky-tonk tracks of his I'd mentioned upthread. In the honky-tonkers he seems ready to ramp up into Johnny Ray–type blazing teardrops, whereas "For the Good Times" sounds more conversational and intimate, like Sinatra.

(Can teardrops blaze? I think Johnny Ray proves that indeed they can.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim seems to support school prayer, however, as well as wanting to beat up previous Nashville Scene ownership.

What I know of Tennessee politics amounts to about zero, so I can't predict. What's McGraw's political organizing and experience been so far?

I think everyone who participated in the Country Critics poll is due a paper copy of the Scene, assuming they have your mailing addy.

Pazz & Jop gets posted online around midday (Rocky Mountain Time) this coming Tuesday, January 31.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted heavily for Kerosene against Nth Degree, Frank! I am disappointed it seems set to fall so quickly. What they term a transitional champion in the WWE, it seems.

I suspect most of the fireworks that my Angolan team will ignite in the Pop World Cup are in my banter with the hapless lunatic attempting to forge a talentless Iran squad into something that can avoid base humiliation (I refer to one Mark S). We go head to head week after next (ha, and I might easily think that something to do with football would be among the few areas where I wouldn't be laughably outmatched! Shame this actually has almost bugger all to do with football...).

For The Good Times has to stay conversational because it is so hard to wring a tune out of it. Even Al Green struggled.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - Keith makes a big deal about being a "registered Democrat," and I'm always, like, OK, whatever. I really doubt Paisley is a rightist; he seems very middle of the road to me.

I like the Rosanne Cash album. It's therapy, sure, but the songs feel necessary and the memories deeply recollected ala Wordsworth. I'll write about it more after I finish a review of the Amelia White album, Black Doves, which I also like, but not as much (the title track, though, is good anti-war imagism; someone tip off Christgau).

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

actually turns out electric boogie dawgz dance a pretty decent heavy boogie, especially in the zz styled "chicken on the bone" and maybe the early flaming groovies (brownsville station?) styled "won't stop rockin." but mostly they have plenty of good jokes, like the title cut george mentioned, where they name a ton of guitarists they apparently respect (starting with stevie ray vaughan and angus young) and at least one they don't (eric clapton) and keep taking the same sloppy non-solo after every namedrop. and the one where they keep counting to nine but have the blues 'cause they can't make it to ten. a good solid silly swinging party CD. and if i had to choose, i'd still say they belong on the country thread more than the metal thread.

xhuxk, Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i loved the hank iii album until i listened closer and heard him use the word 'faggot'. also, he only has two lyrical themes: "i take drugs and/or drink, like, a lot" and "i'm REAL country, unlike those other bad people". otherwise, it's entertaining and avant-garde enough, i suppose.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never heard a full Hank III alb; interviews I was reading several years ago were more like, "I'm really punk; the only reason I'm doing country is that I knocked some girl up. Also, I barely know my dad."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, "For the Good Times" hasn't yet reached me as a song (though I've only given it three or four listens so far). I do like the singing.

Roy, as our resident Ray Price expert, what would you say about "For the Good Times" in relation to whatever else he was doing around then?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

ive been thinking about glenn cambell ever since my friend got a job as a lineman (not for the county, but for toronto) and i wasin shock that i didnt have a copy, on mp3 or cd or even tape.

Anthony Easton, Sunday, 29 January 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

being the same kind of joke indie bands have worn into the ground since the Replacements two decades ago

i know this isn't the right thread to defend the replacements on, but i'm not sure what this means unless it's a reference to their kiss cover -- and i'm pretty sure they did the kiss cover because they were (like a huge percentage of the white male population of their age) big kiss fans. and i think their version rockx. you're most likely right about hayseed dixie, tho. i've never listened to them because i've been put off by their shtick. (but if alison krauss ever makes the '70s hard rock album she's threatened, i might bite.)

meanwhile, in case anyone's wondering, neko case's new album is a.) pretty good and b.) even less a country record than anything else she's done. and i think i like her better without the twang affectations. she's a torch singer, and she can do country torch as well as any other kind (and gospel too, there's a great gospel tune on there), but her natural affinity is for a kind of noirish pop that falls somewhere between owen bradley and david lynch. (and the album still has some duds, but i think maybe less than the last few.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 29 January 2006 07:36 (eighteen years ago) link

actually turns out electric boogie dawgz dance a pretty decent heavy boogie, especially in the zz styled "chicken on the bone" and maybe the early flaming groovies (brownsville station?) styled "won't stop rockin." but mostly they have plenty of good jokes

Brownsville and Cub Koda whether they know it or not. But only Teenage Head comes close to being as crunching while any style from the first five or so BS albums is in the same area. Standard but always astute observation in "Stone Cold Sober" that the object of assessment was more lively, intellectual and fun when a drunk, as opposed to a teetotaler. A band that could do justice to "The Martian Boogie."

"1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9" is also a fair Van Halen/DLR rip, only superior.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 29 January 2006 07:46 (eighteen years ago) link

>being the same kind of joke indie bands have worn into the ground since the Replacements two decades agoi know this isn't the right thread to defend the replacements on, but i'm not sure what this means unless it's a reference to their kiss cover <

not just "black diamond". ever see them in the mid '80s, or hear that *when the shit hits the fans* tape? they used to drunkenly cover foreigner, BTO, you name it. which was vaguely cute, at the time, but it set up this "ha ha we're an indie band covering this stupid '70s song" routine that zillions of bands, from soul asylum on down, wound up taking up. the fact that none of them (sorry, including the replacements) wrote songs as smart as foreigner or bto apparently didn't make the joke any less funny for lots of people. i still consider it idiotic.

xhuxk, Sunday, 29 January 2006 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

(okay, "idiotic" -- which i wrote after too many beers last night -- is kind of harsh. i'm not saying all indie-rock covers of rock or pop hits are bad by definition. just most of them. [never heard ted leo's kelly clarkson cover last year; was that any good?] anyway, instead of "idiotic," how about let's just say "cheap.")

xhuxk, Sunday, 29 January 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

(I liked Camper Van Beethoven's cover of "Photograph" (the only song "by" them that I ever liked) but I think they played that fairly straight. But I know what you mean. Sorry, no country music content.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 29 January 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i know what you mean chuxk, i just don't think the replacements belong in that ironic-indie category. the joke of their cover versions (not that it was a terribly funny one) was that they were a lousy bar band, especially when they were drunk. they didn't have the same kind of distance from foreigner, bto, whoever, that the next generation of indie bands did. they were just playing whatever was on the radio. it wasn't, "omg, the replacements are doing a foreigner song," it was, "haha, these guys can barely play their instruments." i.e. it was punk, not indie.

but anyways...

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

what would you say about "For the Good Times" in relation to whatever else he was doing around then?

Price had been recording with orchestras since at least 1964, so the overall approach of "For the Good Times" was well established for him by 1970. It's the first track on side one of the album of the same name (Columbia 1970), I think the first Kristofferson song he recorded, with "Help Me Make It Through the Night" the first track on side two. In the late '60s, what really starts to change, at least to my ears, is his singing: He's in complete and total control of his voice, and so he's figuring out more and more about the kind of singer he can be, what country music means to him (turns out, it means more the bedrock rhythm and the melodic concision, as opposed to themes or twang or whatever), sculpting and caressing notes, drawing out phrases like the longest bow on the longest string, then seamlessly returning to the deep spoken lines. Throughout this period he's negotiating sonic country signifiers--some tracks have more pedal steel or fiddle or pronounced acoustic guitar (the track that follows FTGT, "Gonna Burn Some Bridges," opens with pedal steel lick and twin fiddles) others, like FTGT, have only that insistent, steady underlying Nashville Sound rhythm. But by 1970 country audiences were ready. "For the Good Times" went #1 Country and #11 Pop. The whole album is really good. He reinterprets "Crazy Arms" and "Heartaches By the Number" in full Sinatra mode. If you haven't heard his version of "Help Me Make It Through the Night," you'll be surprised at how fast it is. He doesn't get the song the way Sammi Smith did. But "Cold Day in July" is totally crushing.


Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

But whatever I would say about that song David Cantwell has already said a million times better. Here's his entry from Heartaches By the Numbers: Country Music's 500 Greatest Singles (which everybody here should own; it's a great great resource, and terrific read). "For the Good Times" is #100, right after "Turn Around" by Carl Perkins, and right before Willie's "Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain."

"Country music is often called music for grown-ups, and no record better illustrates the point than Ray Price's 'For the Good Times'. The foundation is Kris Kristofferson's song, which is every bit as complex and conflicted as any real-life adult breakup.

'Don't look so sad,' Price begins. You figure he's comforting a woman to whom he's just delivered bad news. But as the scene unfolds, you learn that he's getting the bad news; she's leaving him, and the song is his attempt to get her to go to bed with him just once more. You know, 'for the good times.' Price could have delivered these lines in all sorts of ways. He could have sung as if the man were unable or unwilling to let go. He could leave the man wallowing in self-pity or nostalgia, or he could have let the man believe he just needs someone to help him make it through the night. It could have been a last ditch effort to get her to stay, or maybe he's just a creep who wants to get laid. The miracle of Price's delivery--he croons elegantly in one breath, all pathetic in the next--is that he never allows us to choose between these interpretations. Kristofferson's words and melody and Price's delivery combine to let the man be all these things at once. No wonder Price has frequently gone out of his way to identify 'For the Good Times' as among the best songs he's ever sung.

The reason he even has to point this out at all is the record's arrangement. Its clopping drum and tic-tac bass are unmistakably country in feel, but the problem for some listeners is the Cam Mullins string arrangement intertwined with that pulsing rhythm--as every purist knows by heart, string arrangements don't belong on country records. Whatever. There's really no accounting for such reactions, particularly to a record like 'For the Good Times', where the strings so clearly aid both the singer and the song. It's true that on some records strings are needlessly stitched onto perfectly serviceable country rhythm sections (think of those Frankenstein monster overdubs of Hank Williams's hits), but that's not the case here. 'For the Good Times' was clearly conceived with an orchestra at its center. As a result, the strings give the song its mournful tone and sonic thrust; they suggest, in their call-and-response with the singer, all the history that stands between this couple. Most of all, they assist Price in his seduction even as they point to the man's inevitably lonely future.

Because she's going to tell him no, right? 'Don't look so sad', he begins. Every time you hear Price sing those lines, you wonder anew just what it is he has done to make her give him that look. Has he moved to hold her in his arms as she was packing to leave? Touched his lips to her neck as she pulled away? 'Make believe you love me,' he purrs, then pauses ever so slightly before adding 'one more time'. And that's where you finally understand why her eyes have filled with tears--she's remembering all those nights when making believe was precisely what she had to do." -- David Cantwell

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

turns out hayseed dixie get the lead review in time out NY's music section this week, and yep, they're the ones who made the bluegrass ac/dc album(s)

I must say this sounds like a good mix of self-congratulatory and wretched.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Grouchy Rooster's Real and Raw is some of the people found floating in the Alligator Stew xhuxk yakked about upstream. "Far Beneath the Rubble" and "Louisiana Man" are again on it. Must be some favorite songs. The singer is great for this stuff -- spooky roots rock, country and thumping blooz. The accompaniment is spare but powerful. There are electric guitars and lots of slide, but really lots of howling harmonica to match the singer howling about pain and backstabbers ("Southern Fried Snake").

Not something I'll listen to a lot. It ain't party music but it's effective.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 30 January 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, now I have discovered the singer for Alligator Stew/Grouchy Rooster was in Asphalt Ballet, some LA stripper club metal band toward the end of the 80's. How 'bout that? Says Tennessee Ernie Ford is one of his influences.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 30 January 2006 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Shawn Mullins' album 9th Ward Picking Parlor is a lot better, and a lot more country, than I ever thought it would be. (He had that awful song "Lullabye" in 1998, he's in the Thorns with Matthew Sweet, etc.) Great murder ballad, great peace songs, great sad tune called "Homemade Wine," beautiful falsetto voice -- not so hot when he goes all low and gravelly though -- this will mostly be played on AAA I guess but it has at least three singles that could be Top Ten country hits.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That Mullins record has been gathering dust here for a month. I dislike him enough (and really really disliked the Thorns) that I refused to play it, but not enough that I threw it out. Sounds worth a spin.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I reviewed Mullins's first album (the one with his hit, which unike everybody else on the earth i actually didn't hate) for Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/shawnmullins/albums/album/246377/rid/5941940

Don't own the album anymore, though. May listen to his new one; may not. (By the way, 9th Ward Picking Parlor in New Orleans is also where Jan Bell records sometimes, I think == can't remember whether that Maybelles album from last year was recorded there or not.)

xhuxk, Monday, 30 January 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

(Oops, I guess the album was his SEVENTH, according to that review.)

xhuxk, Monday, 30 January 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have something to say about McGraw and Tenn. politics shortly.

the Maybelles did record their album at 9th Ward. I think if I remember right that Jan Bell mentioned to me that the owners of 9th Ward PP had moved operations to Kansas? Iowa? someplace like that. I like the Maybelles better than Mullins, altho I kinda keep playing it in the changer to see if I like it more than I do right now.

listened to the Hayseed Dixie records--yawn, not really all that much fun. they were fun live, not as fun as this Memphis Jug Band/blues-with-snare/acoustic geetar/standup-bass act I caught at Billy Block's Western Rodeo revue: many of their songs were about twelve-step programs and women who love you even when you drink too much, I think they were called something like Delta Southern. Gus Cannon becomes a Friend of Bill. and right, they did "Kirby Hill" which was the best thing I heard. just one of those things that don't translate onto record, and pretty one-joke.

Rhett Akins, "Kiss My Country Ass" begins well--great slide and acoustic guitar that's ominioso and pretty rockin'. but, "I ain't scared to grab my gun and fight for my land/If you don't love the American flag, you can..." basically, it puts me in mind of a band of total drunks going off to fight terrorism, which might not be a bad idea come to think of it. but, some fine slide/guitar solos, great Stonesy piano licks, some great post-Allmans flatted-fifth riffs snaking around. basically, the record really swings and rocks, and I actually quite like "I Love Women (My Mama Can't Stand" which mentions "Daytona tans" and "redneck women who ain't afraid of Jim Beam" and uses a modified chicka-boom two-beat structure. one thing about Nashville records, you generally get a lively rhythm-section dynamic, and here the steel/guitar combination is light and not overbearing. good 'un. and in general, almost every song has a really good riff, like "The Trouble with a Woman," except I am not sure if his out--the trouble with a woman is gen'l'y, usually, a man--means that he's just on the make or if he cedes power. and the rest of it talks about bird dogs and how playing sorority parties made him realize that he's not the kind of guy to take orders from suits, altho he's fine with taking orders from George W. Bush.

I'm not sure, I might find Rhett more authentic outlaw than Hank III, which I am still absorbing. but he's going for a thin sound, he has a thin and weird voice, and he uses a lotta echo and reverb to I guess cover up the fact it seems to have been recorded in a room with wooden floors and walls. starts out with a brief reprise of the Louvin Bros.' "Satan Is Real," and so far I find it a bit samey over the long haul. haven't yet listened to the second disc.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have something to say about McGraw and Tenn. politics shortly.

the Maybelles did record their album at 9th Ward. I think if I remember right that Jan Bell mentioned to me that the owners of 9th Ward PP had moved operations to Kansas? Iowa? someplace like that. I like the Maybelles better than Mullins, altho I kinda keep playing it in the changer to see if I like it more than I do right now.

listened to the Hayseed Dixie records--yawn, not really all that much fun. they were fun live, not as fun as this Memphis Jug Band/blues-with-snare/acoustic geetar/standup-bass act I caught at Billy Block's Western Rodeo revue: many of their songs were about twelve-step programs and women who love you even when you drink too much, I think they were called something like Delta Southern. Gus Cannon becomes a Friend of Bill. and right, Hayseed/De-seed did "Kirby Hill" which was the best thing I heard. just one of those things that don't translate onto record, and pretty one-joke.

Rhett Akins, "Kiss My Country Ass" begins well--great slide and acoustic guitar that's ominioso and pretty rockin'. but, "I ain't scared to grab my gun and fight for my land/If you don't love the American flag, you can..." basically, it puts me in mind of a band of total drunks going off to fight terrorism, which might not be a bad idea come to think of it. but, some fine slide/guitar solos, great Stonesy piano licks, some great post-Allmans flatted-fifth riffs snaking around. basically, the record really swings and rocks, and I actually quite like "I Love Women (My Mama Can't Stand" which mentions "Daytona tans" and "redneck women who ain't afraid of Jim Beam" and uses a modified chicka-boom two-beat structure. one thing about Nashville records, you generally get a lively rhythm-section dynamic, and here the steel/guitar combination is light and not overbearing. good 'un. and in general, almost every song has a really good riff, like "The Trouble with a Woman," except I am not sure if his out--the trouble with a woman is gen'l'y, usually, a man--means that he's just on the make or if he cedes power. and the rest of it talks about bird dogs and how playing sorority parties made him realize that he's not the kind of guy to take orders from suits, altho he's fine with taking orders from George W. Bush.

I'm not sure, I might find Rhett more authentic outlaw than Hank III, which I am still absorbing. but he's going for a thin sound, he has a thin and weird voice, and he uses a lotta echo and reverb to I guess cover up the fact it seems to have been recorded in a room with wooden floors and walls. starts out with a brief reprise of the Louvin Bros.' "Satan Is Real," and so far I find it a bit samey over the long haul. haven't yet listened to the second disc.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

that thar second disc
is some songs and some train sounds
and some chop & screw

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm into this new BR549 record. Don't really hear the bluegrass pop so much, just light on feet swing with shtick factor zero, even when the Jordanaires ooo-ahhh-ooo or when they sing about Jesus as a short-order cook. Really good song about Leonard Peltier too.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I know! If I could find my disc I'd be listening to it a lot more than I am!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to two tracks on the Shawn Mullins and then forgot I had it, much less what I thought of it. These are my notes on the first two tracks, unedited and uninteresting:

"1. Um. Pretty. But blah. Pretty blah. 'Underwater daydream, bone dry desert song.' There's a husky something at the end of his phrasing that is interesting. 'Interstellar rainbow on its cosmic whim'? 'I like my daylight to be silver, I like my night skies to be blue/Blue as you." Meaning what?

"2. And now some hard guitars. Which are a relief. 'I lost count of the times I've given up on you/But you make such a beautiful wreck, you do.' 'At the dark end of this bar, what a beautiful wreck you are."

A blue wreck, perhaps? I guess I'll get back to this alb at some point.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 30 January 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

keep going, it gets interesting later. 'faith' is good country-soul, 'talkin' goin' to alaska blues' isn't really a talking blues but clumsily namedrops michelle shocked, he covers 'house of the rising sun,' etc. all in all, i think it's surprisingly good for a guy i'd written off for almost a decade.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 30 January 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Am listening to Straight to Hell by Hank III. For someone who professes to be so authentic, wild and iconoclastic, it's hackwork countrybilly. Tattoos and hook 'em horns, now that's the mark of an outlaw. Like Edd said, sounds thin, weedy on the first disc. He's goin' "funnin' and gunnin'" and then a sound that sounds like it could have been on a Firefall LP, except Firefall didn't have singers who sounded so purposely like hillbillies. And Hank III doesn't really think no one else has thought of making good LPs on four hundred dollars and walk out the door of Guitar Center digital work stations, does he?

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 30 January 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, c'mon, now Hank III's singin' about drinkin,' druggin', and havin' a lot of fun, plus he carries around his gun to shoot lawyers. Then there's burping noises from a pig. Bet it took 30-seconds to do that one. Then a song about his drinkin' problem. Too phoned in.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 30 January 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Illinois, *The Revenge of Some Kid* EP: Square-dancey, old-timey-rhythmed, indie-rock hoedown music from Bucks County, PA (not sure exact grid coordinates yet, though there is at least one mention of Doylestown on their myspace page I just looked at; given the college-townish atmosphere of that burg, I am not surprised); reminds me (in a good way) of Modest Mouse or Ugly Casanova, i.e., vocals NOT modest or mousey or ugly = not annoying. I like the jigginess of it, and the way the words slide in and out, though don't know yet if they're any good. Doubt they could pull off a full LP, but for an EP they're OK.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

> if they're any good<

"they" = "the words" in above passage. (basically the words don't annoy me yet, but also don't reach out and grab me yet. now they're saying "they say if you love something, let it go" over and over.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Hank III album would appear to be mainly garbage -- yeah, phoned in is right. Toe-the-line follow-the-rules kiss-ass I'm-a-bad-drunk-man themes with no specifics I could notice to make them interesting (though he did seem to mention Jesco White once -- dude's everywhere, ain't he?); fast (but not too fast) songs that all the same and don't rock and slow songs that ditto and last way too long; boring voice; boring band; tuneless tunes; extended-track second-disc art-fuckuff thing not even as fun the one Pig Destroyer included last year. Next?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

all SOUND the same (which is to say he seems to have two songs, one faster than the other, that he keeps doing over & over with slightly different words. Actually I'm not even sure the words change.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

So what's the deal with the new Chicks album? Wasn't it slated for mid March? Has that been pushed back? I keep listening to WIL in St. Louis hoping for a single, but all I hear is Urban and Azar and Diffie and Lambert and M. Gentry, and only the latter two make me smile.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Cross-pasted from Scott's thread on the "gift disc" included with the new Hank III Straight to Hell promotional. Bless him, he liked it.
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[Hank III's] chopped and screwed stuff -- it's brief -- isn't as good as Mr. Wonka!? And the songs are the same on the second disc -- they sound the same, at -least- one is actually the very same -- as the first except you have to listen to all of it the way it's sliced or hit eject, which is what I did after [what seemed like a small eternity]. Wretched. Don't care if he's a hillbilly outlaw, that shtick is awful without any tunes or riffs or anything except the nasal voice and the endless singing about gunnin' funnin' his lawyer shootin' shotgun drinkin' and his good friends in a Louisiana penitentiary (indeed).

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, that second disc is even worse than the first. I'm afraid I do see what these guys were gunning for, sonically if not lyrically...and I betcha we see a lot more of this kinda thing from Nashville--EAST Nashville, which has turned into hipsterville--in the future.

so I listened to the new Kristofferson record with Don Was, and Jim Keltner on drums on a couple. it's good-liberal codgerdom in an intimate setting! KK is concerned about the death of the environment, the way we hate our outlaws, girls who are older than their eyes or is it the other way around, freedom and the highway thereto...and he's maybe the worst singer in history. so, a success...actually, one kind of good track, "Chase the Feeling," which is sort of Sun rockabilly two-step with actual dynamics and so forth, and lyrics: "with a pretty piece of hunger/she was younger than her eyes/on a scale of cosmic thunder/it's a wonder you're alive." and a song about how seeing Willie Nelson onstage chokes him up and makes him glad to be a songwriter, and a human being.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Looks like Chicks has been pushed back to "April", with no precise date set. Crazy interview with Natalie in Entertainment Weekly. Chicks' message boards not happy. They'll be on Lost Highway before the year's out.

"For me as a person, [The Incident has] completely altered the course I was on. For me to be in country music to begin with was not who I was. I liked Martie and Emily's playing, but I did not grow up liking country music. And I guess I was ignorant to the fact that the stereotypes behind country music were true — and it was disappointing. And so at this stage, I can never... I would be cheating myself and not setting a good example for my children to go back to something that I don't wholeheartedly believe in. So I'm pretty much done. They've shown their true colors. I like lots of country music, but as far as the industry and everything that happened... I couldn't want to be farther away from that. And it's easier when you're financially set, because you can be a little more ballsy, and just do what you want to do. I don't want people to think that me not wanting to be a part of country music is any sort of revenge. It is not. It is totally me being who I am, and not wanting to compromise myself and hate my life.

How do Emily and Martie feel about this?

Um... I don't know. We're all on the same page... professionally. And some of us like country music more than others [Laughs], but nobody's forcing anyone else not to... um... you know, go the direction that we're going. We're all on the same page."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

*Southwind*, self-titled debut by soul-country (i.e., 75 percent gruff yet sometimes high-registered blue eyed soul, 25 percent country, but with fiddle parts in the soul songs, gospel backup parts in the country songs, etc) band of Neil Carswell from Copperhead of cdbaby.com fame (see above.) As good as Pat Green's or Jon Nicholson's albums, to my ears, as far as the subgenre goes. Lots of on-the-road-away-from-home songs (via truck, bike, and/or train, not completely sure which)); "Temporary Relief," which is keyed to a "long way to Tipperary" pun, and "Altar Call," keyed to a CCR "Lodi" reference (on the road seeking my fame and fortune) are a great ending for the album; also really like "Keep You Guessing," the country rambler "Til The Blues Come In," and a lot more on this.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

And speaking of Copperhead, I finally figured out that their probably-catchiest and most rousing song "Keepin' On" basically IS "Keep On Rollin'" by REO Speedwagon -- same hook and everything, and no that is not an insult. Also, "Stricken" on their album turns into "Black Betty" by Ram Jam for a couple seconds, and they cover "Drift Away" (better than Uncle Kracker) which somehow I never noticed before but which makes perfect sense given the soul-country side project, and "Free Man" has a cool acid-rock organ break and like all great free-man songs reminds me of South Side Commission's great early gay disco classic "Free Man," though usually when hard rock bands sing about being a free man I think they're singing about getting out of prison whereas when gay disco bands sing about it they're more likely singing about the entire prison of LIFE. Unless I am completely wrong.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Kind of enjoying Detroit Disciples' cdbaby soul-rock album *Saving Grace* (especially "Heartbreak Station" which is not a Cinderella song, "Cinderella Shoes" which ditto, "Next Big Thing" which ditto though it is about the great hair-metal topic of smalltown girl escapes to Hollywood, the completely vague and possibly even chickenshit protest song "Government Man", "Saving Grace" which is blues with Latin undertow a la Santana, and "Bed of Nails" which has gospel backup and where the singer dreams he sees Jesus in a red white and blue shroud singing the National Anthem, which image I *think* he doesn't approve of but I'm not positive) too. (Disciples, Grace, Jesus -- more Christian rock, right? I guess?) Though by now we're maybe really starting to sink into the unescapable abyss of actual baby-boomer beer-commercial bowling-alley stodge, I dunno. At least as much John Hiatt as J Geils; scary how good this kinda stuff has been sounding to me lately given how much I've made fun of it over the years. Thing is, the singer can really sing, even if he has to push hard to do it (though not with the ease of the Southwind guy -- "Cinderella Shoes" and "Next Big Thing" are great though), and the band can play (all the songs range between 4:29 and 5:37, which is some kinda formula, but the guitarist knows how to fill the time out, and the rhythm section knows how to swing it, though maybe not always swing it *hard*) Or maybe I'm just showing my age? I dunno. Though actually, if they're from Detoit, come to think of it, probably the most obvious inspiration is Bob Seger, which I totally approve of.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

(though actually i just checked their cdbaby site and they're NOT from Detroit, they're from California, but they're "named for mentor Mitch Ryder", which is almost as good. also says that the title track is their tribute to peter green's fleetwood mac. but that's who first did santana's "black magic woman", right? so i wasn't THAT far off.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

KCEE, *Foolish,* also via cdbaby, proves that Olivia Newton-John is still a c&w vocal influcence in Australia, nice to know, though the sound only fully works in two tracks, one of which ("What's Love") concerns Kcee getting off work early on a Tuesday and catching the bus home and more importantly it sounds exactly like "Walking on Sunshine" by Katina and the Waves, and the other of which, "Heaven's Still Here," concerns men in suits foreclosing the land Kcee can't afford the mortgage on. Maybe three more tolerably upbeat tracks, one of them fairly bluesy, plus an OK duet with some guy, and some ballad shlock. Anyway. Is there a country CHART in Australia? I'm curious.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno if this exactly what you're looking for, but the Country Music Association of Australia has this: http://www.country.com.au/index.cfm?page_id=1044

Seems Americana heavy, judging from the names I recognize. I liked some songs on that Paul Kelly bluegrass album, though.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I will check that out shortly. thanks, Roy. (and I need to check out that Dixie Chicks interview too, wow.)

Exene Cervanka and the Original Sinners, *Sev7en*: There was a time, more than 20 years ago, that even her countryish stuff (the stuff with X anyway, not the Knitters crap) didn't strike me as totally mannered and ridiculous. That time is long gone, and I don't know if it's 'cause I got tired of her or 'cause her voice just kept getting flatter. Anyway, I got through about 4 songs this time, then gave up.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I so agree about the Dixie Chicks interviews. Thanks for the heads up. I am afraid that the Dixie Chicks need country more than county needs the Dixie Chicks.

werner T., Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not that big a deal, really; Natalie says it sounds like the Eagles in the 1970s, which means it will sound like every other country album since they left. Plus, there's this: "I don't mean country music, I just mean the industry."

So, yeah, much ado about probably nothing, at least until it comes out. It'll be interesting to actually hear the damn thing.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Without John Doe, Exene's voice is like Abu Graib field recordings.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i'm stoked to hear the chix, although weren't they bitching about country records sounding like the eagles last time out?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Dahlia Wakefield, *Close To Home*: Pop-rocked self-released post-Shania Canadian country (born in the Philipines, moved to Saskatchewan, now based in Alberta) with dance-rocked/Euro-popped Abba touches most visible/prominent so far in "Heaven Knows," "Meet Again Someday," "Slipping Away." (From her webpage, or one of them: "They say that the AC acronym for Adult Contemporary really stands for Almost Country, and Dahlia's genre blending and bending style between pop, rock and country is a testimony to that theory.") Album never drags. I really like this a lot, and when Dahlia finally gets to sing to just an acoustic guitar in the alternate version of "Slipping Away" that precedes the 15-second "Studio Babble" that closes the album, she's got a cool Shakira-style vibrato, and she's singing about tying you up to her bed and locking you up in her house.

xhuxk, Friday, 3 February 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn you xhuxk. Damn you. I was doing so well not being sucked into the Borges mp3theque black hole of cdbaby, but now I'll fuckin submit. That Dahlia song sounds awesome.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Shakira vocal phrasing influence also shows up fairly blatantly in "I Believe". She's got a real good drummer, too. Have we talked much about how the Canadian and Australian definitions of "country" seem so much less stick-up-the-ass obsessed with "purity" and "tradition" than the US (by which I mean not just in alt-country but also in allegedy pop Nashville) definition? Not just my imagination, is it?

xhuxk, Friday, 3 February 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha, the acoustic version of "Slipping Away" is completely nuts and hilarious -- Opens with her clearing her throat, then Dahlia threatens to break his knees, cast a spell with her love potion, drug him up intravenouosly, and duct tape his lips and "not stop the viagra" until he'll live with her happily ever after even though "I know you're trying to out-whip me." The regular version rocks more, but this version has way better words. (Vibrato is in both, and may be as much Alanis as Shakira, seeing how Alanis is Canadian and all.)

xhuxk, Friday, 3 February 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Both country songs on the *Rollergirl* soundtrack (Dale Watson "Way Down Texas Way" copyright 2004, Red Meat "The Girl With The Biggest Hair" copyright 1997 -- who are Red Meat?? "courtesy of Ranchero Records," it says) are a lot of fun. Also really like the disco funk song "Rollerderby World" by Jean Shy ("courtesy of concord music group" - some obscure oldie I guess?) and the Donnas and Donnas-like girl-glam tracks I just posted about on the metal and teenpop threads. (Best to just end before the final two tracks, though--some dumb Fat Possum hick shtick by Bob Log III, then seven minutes of Ani Difranco singing "Amazing Grace," though "singing" is maybe too nice.)

xhuxk, Friday, 3 February 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Do the Australians count Jamie O'Neal as Australian? (I don't know how old she was when her family moved to Nevada, though it shouldn't be too hard to find out.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

edd, don, roy, anybody -- do any of you have a marshall chapman opinion i can borrow? i don't have one, or never have before anyway. i remember her having some fans in creem magazine in the late '70s/early '80s, but i can't remember why. press release for her horribly titled new album *mellowicious* tried to identify her as a proto-lucinda, which i didn't find promising, but then i put it on and the first couple tracks made me think more of carlene carter (feisty but effervescent), which i *did* find promising. but then the next several seemed more like a bland triple A coffeehouse, and i gave up (though one of them, "i'm just pitiful that way," did seem to take its melody from "love is strange" by mickey and sylvia.) anyway, should i quit while i'm ahead, or should i give her more of a chance?

xhuxk, Friday, 3 February 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

You could borrow my opinion, only I don't have one. Chapman is a name I've heard a lot in the past but I own nothing by her, have some vague memory of "Somewhere South of Macon" but...Sorry totally unhelpful. And her new record hasn't shown up yet.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

What has shown up, though, is this Fern Jones reissue "Glory Road" which if I had heard last year might very well have knocked Poole out of my top reissue slot. Holy unholy honky tonk gospel bust out with Sugarfoot Garland playing like he wants Elvis to give him a fucking raise. More later.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Been a long time since I listened to Marshall, but see http://www.robertchristgau.com Sometimes came on like a "female Outlaw": def female, fairly often outside the law, but too rock n rolly to fit with Willie and Waylon, and too preoccupied with her "pearshaped speedfreak boyfriends".Especially Dave Hickey, who also contributed songs. Choice tales and words of Guru Dave ("A quitter never loses and a loser never quits")can be found in Marshall's autobio, Goodbye Little Rock And Roller, which has a soundtrack too, but I haven't heard that. See her website for music and news, think it's http://www.marshallchapman.com/ but it's been a while. I can't find the Ballot comments section at the Scene site; anybody got the speecific URL for the comments??? Himes' essay touched on some of the same themes I covered last year, which is not a complaint; it's due to to the turgidity of American malaise, mayonnaise, and the country release schedule/strategy. (I wrote about "There's More Where That Came From" a year ago, and, pace Himes, there really ain't more; she said all she had to say then).Also, it's due to me being a quickdraw, yet hiding my light under the well-known bushel. Anyway, here's the URL for my comments on '04 (you might have to scroll down a little to get to mine, but it's worth it: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html

don, Saturday, 4 February 2006 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

me on world music thread:

>Also, good article in Sunday's Times about perennial polka grammy winner Jimmy Sturr. I kinda can't stand Sturr's slicked-up sound; haven't really been keeping up with polka lately (a few years ago I listened to all five polka grammy nominees and my favorite was Eddie Blacsconszyk of Chicago, shown flipping panckaes on that particularly CD cover and also quoted in the Times article, but I haven't kept up since - -just did a cdbaby.com search for polkas and mainly what seemed to come up was joke bands or bands for the triple A alt-country crowd, which i don't THINK is what I want but I may be wrong.) Anyway, the article talks about how Sturr's east coast style (he's from Jersey) is actually quite Vegasy and big-bandy (though he's also known to get guest appearances by lots of country stars), where the Chicago style is more trumpet heavy and the Cleveland Slovenian style is where the accordions get emphasized. So maybe I should search "Cleveland polka," I'm not sure...

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Almost every polka band description on cdbaby.com seems to start with "this is not your father's (or grandpa's) polka." Not sure why that's considered a good thing (at least if your father or grandpa was a big fan of the Matys Bros and Frankie Yankovic's greatest hits.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

>-just did a cdbaby.com search for polkas and mainly what seemed to come up was joke bands or bands for the triple A alt-country crowd, which i don't THINK is what I want but I may be wrong<

actually, i just realized that something similar happens when I try to search there for "western swing." am i being deluded or romanticizing too much to wish that there were great bands playing this stuff, um, "for real" and not just ironic revivalists? are there? i'm sure there are (though I'm not sure how to define "real"); I'm just not sure how to find them.

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i have some polka cds bought from perogy suppers, they host here, for fundraisers. you go to these things, and they have a table, with pysanka, embrodry, that sort of thing, and a few dusty tapes/books. its only been a few years that they have had cds--but its completely punk, just a bunch of eastern european senior jamming all the polka greats (i also learnt to polka this way, badly)

i dont even know how they record them, frankly.

i also have no idea how a ukranian polka would differ from lets say a hungrian or polish or rommanion.

so where you might need to get polka, is the new york equivlaent of a good old fashioned prarie supper

(the same thing with western swing, sort of---we get an old school country crooner, or the like here once or twice a year, at the pioneer house mostly, and its all the seniors, and their kids, nostalgia circuit sure, but fantastic if you can get it)

Anthony Easton, Saturday, 4 February 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

xp:

i mean i guess with both western swing and polka i want it to be fast catchy good-humored complicated highly rhythmic rocking dance music that doesn't seem to constantly pat itself on the back for BEING fast catchy good-humored complicated highly rhythmic rocking dance music (like, you know, when punk bands all the way back to brave combo decide to play polkas), which usually means it ISN'T. In 2006. this may well be a pipe dream; but in both genres, it used to come completely naturally. (i have always thought hot club of cowtown had promise, i guess -- am even a fan of their slowed down version of aerosmith's "chip away at the stone" - but they're totally wimps compared to what milton brown or roy newman or adolph hofner used to be. those guys wouldn't have given a shit about getting a rounder records audience, i don't think.) (interesting, what i'm looking for -- see above - -DOES still exist in southern soul music, though, apparently.)

>where you might need to get polka, is the new york equivlaent of a good old fashioned prarie supper<

ha ha, well, i am walking distance from Greenpoint! So maybe I should just take a walk!

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

(or to put it another way, by hunting for good polka and western swing that have no connection to "alternative" culture in its many guises, am i stupidly hunting for an "authenticity" that doesn't exit?) (and i mean, jimmy sturr and eddie blazonscyzk have no connection with alternative culture, true. but even eddie just really isn't good enough.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to have those 3 Epic LPs from late '70s, Chuck. she was briefly a big deal 'round here. always struck me as a more liberal Tanya Tucker, maybe, or like someone who shoulda been on Stiff. proto-Lucinda, I dunno about that, I'm never a fan of Lucinda all that much except for the occasional pretty fair song she writes (and as an aside, I heard this P.F. Sloan album Jon Tiven's finishing up in N-ville, and the best thing on it was a duet with P.F. and Lucinda, so go figure). but Marshall covered Seger (so you might track that one down if you can find it, Chuck, it's "Jaded Virgin," but I haven't any idea if they're in print somewhere, and I'm constantly combing Nashvile for old country vinyl and don't recall seeing any of them lately) and Cash, I think, maybe it was "I Walk the Line," and one of her records was produced by Al Kooper, and if I recall it seemed a bit over-refined. I think her first Epic one was the best, tho, "Me, I'm Feeling Free" was the title. her new 'un hasn't hit here either.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 4 February 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

>Canadian and Australian definitions of "country" seem so much less stick-up-the-ass obsessed with "purity" and "tradition" than the US<

and yet both places still seem to have real cowboy music by real cowboys, hmmm...what a paradox!

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck seek ye out Joni Harms, who is not only one of the biggest names in western swing but also grew up in my hometown and is the cousin of my best friend from high school. (She was "The Sweetheart of Clackamas County"! Also, she actually maintains a working farm in Oregon while raising two kids, so she doesn't have TIME to be pomo.) She WROTE "Cowboy Up," her album Let's Put the Western Back in the Country is dope and completely non-ironic. They have a big conference every year for western music with awards and everything, I'll try to find that link.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 4 February 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Here are some performers, maybe.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 4 February 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, i'll check those out, matt, thanks, but be aware (and to me this is important!) that "western" is not remotely the same as "western swing". (i want the JAZZ in it, see?) (which isn't to say joni harms doesn't have any; i dunno. I will try to listen to her; who knows?)

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha

http://www.westernmusic.org/performers.cfm?ID=18

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

well of course there's the western swing x polkas of the Mollys, but you want something uncontaminated by alt: try searching on "Tex Czech." Speaking of Australian country, Cyndi Boste is coming to America this spring.Chuck captioned her "cowgirl of the Outback" for my Voice roundup, "Alias In Winderland, and she's a bluesy country singer-songwriter with a deep rich voice, kinda like a more dynamic Tracey Nelson. Probably bringing a very small group, if any (she doesn't really need one). Says she's wanting to play Austin and Nashville, asks for tips on clubs there and elsewhere. Anybody anywhere got any suggestions? Also, how do I get to those damn comments in the Nash Scene Poll?

don, Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Don, here's where the comments for the Scene poll are located--I forget how to make the damn link clickable. what do I put in front of it? anyway, they're kind of hidden at the end of Himes's essay:
http://www.nashscene.com/Stories/Cover_Story/2006/01/19/It_Don_t_Feel_Like_Sinnin_to_Me/index1.shtml

has anyone attended to the Hank III second disc trainwreck enough to tell me what Wayne Hancock song (if it is a Wayne Hancock song, I dunno) Shelton Hank's doing in the midst of all that crap?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi all,

Doing a list of best pop/rock covers by country artists. Any suggestions?

Kevin Coyne, Sunday, 5 February 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to the dreadful second Hank III disc enough but can't help you because I don't know anything about Wayne Hancock. Dreadful may be too complimentary, too.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 5 February 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

john Rich, *Underneath the Same Moon* -- coming out soonish, apparently, on Legacy/BNA; apparently this is the til now unreleased album he made after fleeing Lonestar and before hooking up with Big Kenny, Full of pale love ballads, often sung in an attempted Roy Orbison falsetto, it sounds like, but the guy really needed Big Kenny to help him find his personality (or provide him one). Opens with "I Pray For You," which wound up on the second B&R album and sounds even duller here. Not bad I guess: "She Brings the Lightnin' Down" (only marginally embarrassing funk attempt with gospel backup), "Something To Believe In" (opens with rock guitar riff; talks about an aging Hendrix fan with a 45, a preacher, a stockbroker, and a farmer, all looking for something to etc etc), and especially "Old Blue Mountain" (which John tries to root down in waltz tempo), and "New Jerusalem" (more blatant gospel, seemingly acapella). Not (even) as good as Big Kenny's solo album.

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost thanx for linx to Scene Poll Comments, Edd (good comments, guys.) Edd taped me that new Candi Staton, and I think most of it holds its own with her 72 self-titled, which is saying a lot. On both sets,though,sometimes she just goes with the flow of the medium slow tempi, rather than pushing against it, building momentum. But usually she rises to the occasion, and '72's "Do It In The Name Of Love" is the kind of downhome orchestral that always did leave 90 % of countrypolitan in the zircon dust. (It's also the kind that leaves the usual kind of downhome orcestral, and there's some of that here too.)xpost haven't heard the new Truckers yet; can well believe it's uneven, but have harder time believing that it's so xpost bad. Heard "Feb.14" on World Cafe a couple times: expansive guitar, bidding us all to come have some no-fun, and eventually, some analog synth, or bagpipes, or bagpipe guitar? Big Country's back! xpost haven't heard the new Hank III either. On Risin' Outlaw, he named Wayne Hancock as "my best friend out there," and covered three Wayne songs, road songs, like "Thunderstorms and Neon Signs." Wayne's a good writer, but seemed like (haven't heard him in a while) his own albums could lapse into bareassed/tightassed retro, while Risin' Outlaw kept building momentum Ditto subsequent (and almost all self-written) Lovesick Broke & Driftin'. No dawgshit on either. I suppose his twang could get too cartoony for some, but I think he and his daddy can be great cartoons, with sufficiently shaded-in realness,from a sharp pen (which is the way I think of Separation Sunday, and GnR, Dolls,Bowie, Stooges, Stones, James Brown, etc) (see cartoon refs in my Hank Jr./Hank III review, "The Last Poke Chop": http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0212,allred,33201,22.html/ and re III's cover of "Fearless Boogie" on the ZZ Top trib, in "Sharp Blessed Men": http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0344,tracker_writer.inc,39494,.html/
or if those links don't work see my whole Voice stash at Http://MyVil.blogspot.com/

don, Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The LA Times mag Phoned It In for a roll-out of its new design. A music feature called Mad Hot Music was packed to the gills with the usual assertions and descriptions that ask you to leave your natural detector of horseshit at the door. First off, repeating riff -- LA is a great place for people to wear cowboy hats. As in honky-tonk bars and great homegrown country acts. Now, I've lived here for over a decade, like it a lot, but am not a cheerleader. And I know one thing: If you see someone in club in a cowboy hat, you're in for a long night. And if you see one coming along the sidewalk toward you while walking the dog in the neighborhood -- you're on drugs and hallucinating.

"...track down one of these artists [or head to one of these bars] ... and listen for yourself. Then you'll hear a remarkable sound: Music made for music's sake.

The Cowboy Palace Saloon {in the San Fernando Valley]

"Bordered by Bully's Billiards, a strip club and a liquor store, the Cowboy Palace Saloon calls itself 'the last real Honky Tonk' and it's true to its word ... The Asian cowboy beside me played a harmonica softly to himself, and a man in Wrangler jeans and a 10-gallon hat strummed air guitar on his pool cue.'

Mo' Cowboy Hats

Bruce Burton with King Size

"Great music often sweeps in on the tails of reinvention. Enter Bruce Burchmore, who was born in Bangkok ... and landed at USC to study music history. He mastered the lute...A little more than a year ago, after a painful breakup, Burchmore took his guitar to Manhattan, where he holed up in a hotel for 10 days, writing music and wallowing in melancholy.

"When he emerged he was Bruce Burton, country singer, and he had in his hands the makings of a fine album. Back in LA, he assembled the skeleton of Uncle Cowboy, a band of uncanny talent, which has since been renamed King Size.

"But he isn't the only member of King Size who takes his sorrow straight up...Witness an early memory of Easy Pickens, the band's guitarist, who as a teenager lived in a basement in a bad Vancouver neighborhood. 'I'd just put on a Hank Williams record,' he says, 'skip all the happy songs and drink myself to sleep.'"

Awwww. The only thing missing is the tin of snuff in back pocket.


George the Animal Steele, Monday, 6 February 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Any opinions on Asleep at the Wheel? I can't remember if I've ever heard them. As of midyear '05 Elizabeth McQueen was singing for them.

(P.S. I wrote Elizabeth McQueen telling her I liked the liner notes to Happy Doing What We're Doing a lot and that I wanted her to continue writing about music. The liner notes just made me want to smooch her. (I didn't say this in the email. And the cover photo also had something to do with the desire to smooch.) There's a brain in there, both in her singing and in her commentary. (A brain worth smooching.) Anyway, she was complimented that a writer would want her to write, but she felt she'd probably not want to be a critic while still putting her own music out there, that this would inhibit her. "It's fine to write about the good, but when you get down to the meat and potatoes of criticsm, which is being critical..." A brain, for sure. Maybe we could get her to write about electronica, which she says she's into.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Natalie right that country isn't her, and the blowup was bound to happen sooner or later, and country needs people telling it that it's fucked. And she can surely draw on plenty of great sound and form from other genres, and her voice is dynamite. (Everyone compared Miranda to that blowhard Gretchen, but it's Natalie's cracking-whip and Natalie's warmth that Miranda's got.) But because country wasn't her, this meant that her voice had an uneasy push to it, and the push wasn't into the comfort of alt-land, either. Whereas if she's now just another Sheryl or Bonnie, maybe she'll lose the push. (Or maybe she won't, or maybe if she loses it, that's fine.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone heard the pre-Natalie Chicks?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Asleep at the Wheel -- music for fluffy-feeling truckers. Like Commander Cody without "Hot Rod Lincoln" or "It Should've Been Me" or, really the Commander himself. Hmm, never really liked Asleep at the Wheel but times have changed, maybe I would like them with Elizabeth McQueen.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 6 February 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Asleep at the Wheel did a pretty good Hot Rod Lincoln!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Early 70s Wheel albums were good, fairly tough-minded, and some 80s ones xgau's got on his site, prob, but I only know that orig lineup.xpostp pre-Nat Chicks: yeah, seems like they were winsome but mild, and if only I'd kept those albums, and eBayed them about five years ago (they're prob not getting such big bids now, I suspect). I've got an album by Domestic Science Club, with one of the dumped Chicks; winsome but not so mild, heartfelt, anyway, if well-mannered, and maybe I underrated those Chicks albums. Natalie's dad Lloyd was in the Maines Brothers Band, which I think may've started with his father and uncles, or anyway was kinda trad, and then of course he was in the Joe Ely Band when they toured with the Clash,and plays some some guitar army steel on there, kind of in there between Speedy West and 90s/00s non-steel Skyn country (and also predating the steel player in Dylan's early 90s road band, whose live solos on "Highway 61" extended the police siren on the orig studio version).And Lloyd has produced Pat Green and lots and lots of others, incl Chicks. So she grew up with various motor trends in Texas country (and also gushed about her childhood collection of James Taylor albums, when he and the Chicks did their Crossroads, z-z-z-z). So I can see how she doesn't feel dependant on Nashville bizdom,especially since she got enough money from it. Hey, anybody know who arranged Glenn Campbell's version of "By The Time I Get To Phoenix"? Allmusic lists Jimmie Haskell, Mort Garson, and Leon Russell as arrangers on the By The Time etc.LP. I'm thinking Garson, who did a lot of art pop, but maybe not. So eerie bright and calm, if guilty (he sees how she'll gradually realize he's really gone this time), that Top Fortydelica '67 thing.

don, Monday, 6 February 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

from metal AND world music threads:

So, "Politcas Ratas" on the new El Tri album *Mas Alla Del Bien Y Del Mal* sounds like a nicely barbecued '70s ZZ Top rip, but I don't think there's much else on the CD. Lots of '50s rock'n'roll revival, one song that reminds me of "Rockin' in the Free World," I dunno what else. I think this is like their 50th album though, so maybe there's a kick-ass greatest hits album somewhere down in Mexico. Or maybe not.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 February 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

for Glen, isn't it Al DeLory who's the arranger?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Weren't El Tri supposed to be scarydelic when they started as Three Souls On My Mind? Edd, allmusic didn't mention Al, but that's fairly typical; I'll try googling his name, thanks.

don, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Al DeLory is your man, Don. He also arranged "Gentle On My Mind" and "Wichita Lineman" if memory serves. A little factoid: DeLory and Campbell were both Wrecking Crew men.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks guys. Didn't members of the Wrecking Crew play on the debut albums of the Byrds and the Monkees? But the Monkees were put down as "the Prefab Four." Oh, I just listened again to Hank III's aforementioned Lovesick, Broke & Driftin', and it now sounds more erratic than I thought when reviewing it. But even the duff songs (just two or three--so far!) have some good touches. Prob shouldn't've tried to write so many all by his lonesome; he accepted some help on Risin' Outlaw. But those who don't like high thin nasal twangy voices (even with shading)won't ever like him. George, is the Palamino still open? Any good? Used to be, I heard.

don, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 08:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Bill Currington fared very badly on the Stylus singles reviews this week, despite me.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

>*Rollergirl* soundtrack: (Best to just end before the final two tracks, though--some dumb Fat Possum hick shtick by Bob Log III, then seven minutes of Ani Difranco singing "Amazing Grace," though "singing" is maybe too nice.) <

I actually decided I don't hate the Bob Log III song, "Log Bomb". Not that it's really a song per se'; more like just a sound, this high-pitched attempt to recreate old-timey backwoods blues country as some kinda newfangled avant-garde slide shuffle -- reminds me of what the Hi Sheriffs of Blue were doing in NY a quarter-century ago, but not nearly as good. Still, not bad. Like, yeah, a log bobbing up and down in the water. (The Ani Difranco track is still unbearable, however.)

I actually thought that at one point I wrote up a Voice choice for Bob Log for the listings page that never got printed, but here's what I was thinking about instead (this thing may well be five years old):

"LONESOME BOB--Quite a buzz in alt-c&w circles for this balding bearded Jersey baritone, maybe because his CD's full of titles like ``He's Sober Now'' and ``I Get Smarter Every Drink'' and ``2 Drinks on an Empty Stomach.'' He mostly sings like a overboozed bull in a china shop, natch. But he can slip a pinch of David Allen Coe into his twang, and ``Heather's All Bummed Out,'' about a 35-year-old looking for love on all the wrong websites while her clock ticks away in her Harrison-Ford-postered cubicle, deserves a Christgau choice cut at very least."


xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

What I remember about the Lonesome Bob LP was that his voice wasn't rich enough to carry the soft material but was OK when the music rocked. (Actually, I didn't remember that, but I still have my notes.) Basically his strengths was songs, and someone else should sing them. This was several years ago, so I don't remember anything else about the character of his vocals. In his lyrics he was stirring around in the ordinary to see what he could uncover. I somehow associate him with Terri Clark or Allison Moorer, but this may just be that I received albums by him and them at more or less the same time.

In the cubicle, Harrison Ford's picture is next to her fiancé's. "Sometimes a girl gets bored." A good observation, but at the time (according to my notes) there seemed something condescending about Lonesome Bob's sympathy.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

In checking allmusic to see how to spell "Allison Moorer," I discovered something that is probably well-known to all of you but was news to me: when she was a child, her dad shot her mom and then himself. How incomprehensibly traumatic! Older sister Shelby took on the responsibility of caring for her.

I've felt an affinity for the image I get of Moorer and her sister through their music, but I could rarely not be bored by the music itself. I always listen, feel the affinity, but end disappointed.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've found Alison frustrating, Shelby somewhat less so, though in both cases, I'm more familiar with TV and radio live sets than albums.(Shelby's early swing album, with her looking like young Boy George, was kinda okay, but.)In '04 (?),Shelby did do a good late-60s country groove thang (covers and originals) on Soundstage, and a flashier, louder (also good) setette on last fall's Outlaws Concert Deux. Yeah, L.Bob's got some songs, and I think xgau did better on him than Choice Cuts, at least in his original review (haven't checked the http://www.robertchristgau.com/ version). Kandia just saw Shannon McNally in Charlotte, said she was real good.

don, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the Mammals, "Departure." contains a good Iraq song, "Alone on the Homestead," which has some good lines like "The government impatient, the boys were unprepared/Most families got their boys back in only bodybags/The papers wouldn't even print coffins draped with flags." nice gentle folk-rock, and I kind of like their take on mountain music/bluegrass on "Kiss the Break of Day" too, another pretty good couplet that goes "if my guitar falls on a landmine/Do you think anyone hears?" real pretty, might turn out to be boring, but they seem to have a handle on how to make this stuff fairly surprising--they have a good beat (alto I find the drumming a bit one-dimensional sometimes) and I like their lyrics too. I think I'd like to hear someone in Nashville do a song like "Tryin' to Remember What City I Know You From." as an example of folk-rock it seems more graceful than, say, the new Pinmonkey record, I detect something really felt under the slight pro-forma-ness of it all. I think maybe their triple-time take on "Come as You Are" beats Caetano Veloso's, as well, they seem to make the impassivity work for them in this context.

David Scott put Shelby Lynne's version of "Rainy Night in Georgia" on his annual best-of CD, which always contains a lot of stuff I seem to have missed. it's really good. and altho it's not country I really like the two songs by Devin Davis, who was unknown to me, he put on it--a really great one called "Transcendental Sports Anthem."

and I've been listening to some late-'50s Webb Pierce, too, which seems to handle its backup voices and so forth really well--great version of "Raunchy" called "The New Raunchy" and a great one called "Tupelo County Jail."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually thought the new Mammals album sounded mellower and less surprising than their previous one (where they covered a song by one band member's grandpa Pete Seeger among other notables), which even then (and even more than the Duhks or Maybelles or Donna the Buffalo, all of whom display way more energy beatwise and otherwise to my ears) I liked more in theory than reality. But yeah, I approve of their politics and sweetness. High point of their career, though, still has to be the Duhks on stage at Joe's Pub last year, saying they'd "married" the Mammals and from now on they would all be called the Platypi.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I heard the previous Mammals. I sure liked two or three songs from Donna the Buffalo's last one, and yep, Donna's beat is more Buffalo and more subtle than the Mammals'. but Mammals do a nice "Satisfied Mind" too.

listened to the 4-song Redhill CD yesterday--thx Chuck. I got bored with it, but I think Julianne has real potential as a singer, and seemed to me they saved their best moves for, like, the codas or something. but there's something there, I just need to listen to it again.

and for those Gram Parsons fans out there, this site called youtube.com has a video of the Burritos doing "Older Guys" from '70 that's really cool, and lots of other video stuff as well--like the James Gang! seems like the site works better at night, during the day the vids seem to play pretty jerkily, and I can see it being a major time-waster, too. but worth checking out.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

frog holler, *haywire*. from virginville, PA, wherever that is (near intercourse or climax or blue ball? i dunno, but if so, that'd man amish country.) andrew aber from the voice listings department loves these guys. i don't, not even close, but i don't hate them either. about half of the tracks here sound to me like just uninspiring alt-country politeness, ho-hum, but in at least one song i hear them reaching tentatively toward a guitar buildup at the end that reminds me of dinosaur jr or built to spill pretending to be crazy horse, and a couple other songs have a bit of *workingman's dead* roll to their rhythm and singing. and a couple more, if they had a little more pavement indie art-blur to them, might approach the prettiness of certain fruit bats or sixth great lake or grandaddy songs i've liked. and one of the singers has a bit of michael hurley in his drawl, and the whole thing has a sort of hazy lazy daze of late autumn feel; the tracks run 3:53 to 6:10, so wherever frog holler are going, they have no problem taking their time to get there. so: nothing here i much want to hear again, but it did wind up being better than i expected.

xhuxj, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

that'd MEAN amish country

xhuxk not xhuxj, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I think most all the songs on The Mammals' CD are really good, as songs, though the arrangements lack dynamics, which is a problem, as this is really a pop record with trad-ish instruments. Still, the songs and Ruth Ungar's voice keep me coming back. Real pleasant surprise when it showed up, as I'd never heard them before.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Rick Moranis. *The Agorophobic Cowboy*. Wow, talk about polite. Rick sounds so polite he might as well be...um, Canadian! Which I think he is, but he was better in *Ghostbusters*. (Was that his biggest movie? I forget.) On the other hand, being polite in a Canadian way is better than being polite in an alt-country way, I guess. Even his jokes (or silly song titles at least) seem polite, and he's drawing on an anachronistic type of country that was polite when it existed if it ever did. (Maybe it did among Novia Scotia truckers, I don't know.) Some of the jokes might also be funny, but he's so limited vocally and melodically that it's hard to tell. In the first song he keeps doing this shtick where you think he's going to say a word that rhymed with the previous line (say, "fired" to rhyme with "tired" or "spent" to rhyme with "rent") but then he says a word that doesn't rhyme ("laid off" or "allocated") to make the scheme intentionally clunky instead. Which is cute, but the melodies and singing are so unvaried from there on that my attention soon wanes. Hopefully somebody in Nashville who can sing will pick up some of these songs and turn them into actual music. He must have friends there, right?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

where was the Moranis recorded, Chuck?

I've decided that I really like the Jamey Johnson record, "The Dollar." great baritone. "Rebelicious" is a good song about the ideal hard-bodied woman who can also bait her own hook. and I think "The Dollar" is excellent, altho "Flying Silver Eagle," about melting down wedding rings, is even better. I just wish it were more of a concept album about money, and funnier. but I'm impressed that he wrote most of the songs, and he seems sane, even-tempered. could be as good as John Conlee or Moe Bandy, maybe.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

>where was the Moranis recorded, Chuck?<

"by Tony Scherr at his house in Brooklyn"

I mean, Moranis may have talent -- he may even have potential to be Shel Silverstein or Bobby Braddock, for all I know. Maybe someday, in some context, I'll have the patience to listen closer to his demos.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Moranis and Dave Thomas did this bit on SCTV, a show within the show, called Great White Way (backdrop: a map of CANADA, with the USA squashed around the bottom, but pretty accurate, from that angle), becaue SCTV was produced in Canada, therefore had to include a certain percentage of Canadian Content (seriously, and of course SCTV the overshow was supposed to take place in a low budget cable station, a "network," so complying with actual gov cable regulations was only right.) They'd drink Molson's and cook back bacon and start to gossip about Rush, but then one would accuse the other of stealing his smokes or messing with his tocque or his parka, and they would run out of time for that episode. One minute sketches, but then they left to make a movie of this, natch: Strange Brew, which I've heard is pretty good. Rick and Dave and the others used to do sketches involving music, and musicians (like when they had the Boomtown Rats as the classroom rowdies in To Sir With Love, and they called Lulu, played by Catherine O'Hara [Mary Margaret's actual sister, and the mom in the Home Alone movies] "yer flabbly littul taht!"). But countrywise, the best I remember was Joe Flaherty (the geek sibs' dad in Freaks And Geeks)as Kris Kristofferson, grunting,"Cows. Pigs. Sheep. Goats." That should've been set to music, but they usually left the songs to their guests.

don, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost oh yeah, I got the Redhill too, thanx xhuxx.More pop than I was expecting from Deeetroit, and hard to pull off that kind of smoothness on a small budget, but they did it pretty well. the backing did seem a little distant and times, but just added to the mono single nostalgia, appropriately, on the second track, which was kinda like early Carole King. Edd's right about the singer; she's sensuous, yet down to earth, sounds at home (the girl next door, oh yeah). I could see them in the majors.

don, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

>Moranis and Dave Thomas did this bit on SCTV, a show within the show, called Great White Way<

Wait, is that what "Take Off (to the Great White North)" featuring Geddy Lee was from? Not to mention the 12 Canadian Days of Christmas single? Who were the artists on those? I am blanking out on them (even though I'm pretty sure I have the "Take Off" 45 at home).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yep, they were credited to Bob and Doug MacKenzie. I bought "Great White Album" on LP the day it came out, but now I just have it on CD. might be the best album of 1981.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Should I move to Fresno (they've got some interesting Latin stations too):

The 20 stations* that are giving "Kerosene" the most spins:

KSKS-FM Fresno 55
S060-FM *SiriusSatellite 51
X016-FM *XM Radio 45
KKCS-FM Colo Springs 43
WUSN-FM Chicago 42
KSOP-FM Salt Lake City 39
KHKI-FM Des Moines 39
KTST-FM Oklahoma City 38
KYKR-FM Beaumont 38
WTQR-FM Greensboro 36
WXBQ-FM Johnson City 36
WIOV-FM Lancaster 36
WGNE-FM Jacksonville 36
WPUR-FM Atlantic City 36
WWYZ-FM Hartford 35
KBEQ-FM Kansas City 35
KUSS-FM San Diego 35
WQBE-FM Charleston WV 35
WPCV-FM Lakeland 34
KTOM-FM Monterey/Salinas 34

She's not even in the top 30 on KYGO in Denver, which means she's getting fewer than 11 spins, if any. Of course, the song has been around for a while, and may be having a different life cycle in different places.

*that are reporting to Mediabase, that is

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Just heard that Charles K. Wolfe, one of the great scholars and writers of American music, has passed away. His books include Classic Country: Legends of Country Music, The Life and Legend of Leadbelly, In Close Harmony: The Story of the Louvin Brothers, The Devil's Box: Masters of Southern Fiddling and maybe the best book about the origins of country music I've ever read: A Good-Natured Riot: The Birth of the Grand Ole Opry.

The man deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, that's a real shame about Charles Wolfe. he was a great writer, and a very nice man the two-three times I met him. sorry to hear about his passing.

and thanks Roy, for alerting me to Ray Wylie Hubbard! just picked up his "Delirium Tremolos" yesterday. "Choctaw Bingo" is fantastic.

and for the record, for what it's worth, the Wayne Hancock song that Shelton Hank III does on his new one is "Take My Pain." exactly my feeling when I play the fookin' thing...

there's a nice little bit on Moranis in the current Paste magazine. xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

so, today i hereby conclude with my tail between my legs that my inital excitement (see end of '05 c&w thread, though the CD only just comes out this month) for *spooked* by marley's ghost (produced by van dyke parks, cover art by r. crumb) was mainly just wishful thinking. for folkies they're far from humorless, which is a good thing, but the humor barely ever shows up in their *sound*, which is pretty genteel. actually, they seem better with spooky stuff (like "wicked messenger," for instance) than the stuff with goofy words.

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

If only they had a different lead singer, I suspect some more of it would work.CMT has continued its recent shit-slide by stealing the x vs. y schtick from ILM: Top 20 Countdown now has this pick vs. click, for viewers to choose from: Jamey Johnson got 70% favorable for something or other, Shooter got 30% for "Steady At The Wheel," so bye bye. Damn, whatever happened to payola? I don't think I would have liked the Jamey anyway. Saw Gretchen and Miranda on Austin City Limits last night. Sets were approx.23" each. Gretchen opened, her band swung and wah-wah'd a bit, songs were 70% new, set was 70% boring. Miranda followed, her band rocked and stomped quite a bit, songs were 80% "old", from Kerosene of course. (Other 20%: a Merle song whose title I dint catch, but it left G.'s Merle collab in the slog, although if he'd showed up, might not have; and Miranda also covered Earle's "Hillbilly Highway," which worked better than if Earle had showed up and attempted to sing along, and I say that as a loyal semi-fan of the old commie). Set was 100% fun. Two of the biggest country singles of recent times are "Jesus Take The Wheel" and "Honkytonkbadonkadonk".So far have not been subjected to pick vs. click, because Armageddon isn't here quite yet.

don, Sunday, 12 February 2006 05:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i fucking love jesus takes the wheel, well written, well sung, and avoiding the silliness, it could be.

Anthony Easton, Sunday, 12 February 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Noticing something on the Billboard country chart: There's a clump of songs in the upper teens/low twenties that have been around for something like four to six months that are still rising but haven't been able to break into the top ten: Sara Evans "Cheatin'," Blake Shelton "Nobody But Me," Miranda Lambert "Kerosene," Brooks & Dunn "Believe," Jimmy Johnson "The Dollar," Van Zant "Nobody Tell Me What to Do," Jack Ingram "Wherever You Are." I haven't heard all of these, so I'll need to check this out. For "Kerosene" alone my speculation would have been that some people like it a lot but that a huge hunk of other country listeners aren't just indifferent, but hostile, owing to the song's hard sound. So airplay would be suppressed at first. But sales and downloads would keep it on the charts, and after a while airplay would rise as support doesn't wane and more and more of the nonsupporters get used to the sound. But I don't know if my explanation is really any good, or if any similar explanation would work for the other tracks I cited. I would have had to follow them all from the start. Mediabase has airplay for "Kerosene" at 16, around where the song places in the Billboard country chart, but it's actually falling in airplay, while it hasn't lost its bullet on the chart. All the tracks I mentioned are getting airplay in the teens and twenties, just like their chart placement, with only Van Zant and Miranda having lost their airplay bullets.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

But the fact that one of "Kerosene"'s top airplay stations is satellite must indicate something.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Sirius Satellite's Top 20

1 MIRANDA LAMBERT Kerosene 51
2 JOSH TURNER Your Man 49
3 TRACE ADKINS Honky Tonk Badonkadonk 47
4 MONTGOMERY GENTRY She Don't Tell Me To 47
5 RASCAL FLATTS What Hurts The Most 46
6 SUGARLAND Just Might (Make Me Believe) 46
7 TIM MCGRAW My Old Friend 43
8 KENNY CHESNEY Living In Fast Forward 30
9 SARA EVANS Cheatin' 30
10 JACK INGRAM Wherever You Are 30
11 TRENT TOMLINSON Drunker Than Me 29
12 VAN ZANT Nobody Gonna Tell Me What... 29
13 GARTH BROOKS/TRISHA YEARWOOD Love Will Always Win 28
14 TOBY KEITH Get Drunk And Be Somebody 28
15 ROCKIE LYNNE Lipstick 28
16 LEE ANN WOMACK 20 Years And Two Husbands Ago 26
17 JAMEY JOHNSON The Dollar 24
18 LEANN RIMES Something's Gotta Give 24
19 JASON ALDEAN Why 23
20 RODNEY ATKINS If You're Going Through Hell 23

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't even know who Rockie Lynn is, and neither does Allmusic, except to indicate to us that "Lipstick" is a single that won't get its official release until Feb. 17.

"Results 1 - 10 of about 121 for "Rockie Lynn". (0.64 seconds)"

That's even fewer results than you get for "Frank Kogan."

I think Rockie is Canadian.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I meant to type "February 14" as the release date for "Lipstick." Happy Valentine's Day.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

you were right about the kelly clarkson song, but i think that the best proof of its country tendencies is its obsessive seeking of solution wrt domestic melodrama

We're talking about "Because of You" (most of the discussion was on last year's thread), which I'm now trying to make sense of since it's only been on the charts for half a year and gone double platinum as a single (not to mention the 5 million the album has sold). When I first heard it I pretty much dismissed it as an OK adult-contemporary heartbreak song, suitably quiet and sad but not up to the Kelly's previous three singles. Now, having paid attention to the lyrics and thought hard about where its music is coming from and so forth (and finally doing what I can to study the video on the postage-stamp screen that Launch Yahoo gives you in dialup), I'm hearing a completely different song, something of intensity, something that feels loud even with the quiet accompaniment and the controlled singing. And I think it is out of bounds for country. Which is to say that though I can imagine Faith singing in this style she probably wouldn't go for this melody or these words; and though I can imagine LeAnn going for both the melody and these words and totally nailing it in performance, she'd probably decide that it would be bad for her career at this point to release it.

First the words: it isn't just that they're unremittingly despairing, since you could say the same about country classics like "He Stopped Loving Her Today" and "The End of the World." But those don't feel like despair, or they take a different approach to despair, or something. (I've always considered "End of the World" a beautiful, sweet delight.) In general, country's "life falls apart" story belongs to its standard romance cycle: "My heart is broken, now I'm drunk, now I'm going to fuck up again and again," is mined for a lot of rue and a lot of comedy. It's something country is comfortable with. Whereas "the relationship was fundamentally pathological and has left me unfit to live" is not standard for country, even if it's fine on Oprah and adult contemporary and Radio Disney.

Also - and this is interesting - I'd never thought of it as a domestic drama until last night when I started examining the video: house in the suburban night, we're looking in through the window at a couple arguing, then we're in with them in the fight, a child watches glumly, a man upends a table in anger; then a different scene, the little girl shows daddy something she's made, daddy burns it on the stove; a woman leaves, a little girl leaves.

Before studying the video, I'd just naturally assumed this was a romance-and-dysfunction song like most of the ones that precede and follow it on the album, that the narrator was addressing a former boyfriend who'd left her devastated. In fact, that's a perfectly good way to read the song; the "you" is never identified. But if we factor in the video, the narrator has to be the little girl grown up, and she's addressing her parents: "I heard you cry every night in your sleep/I was so young/You should have known better than to lean on me/You never thought of anyone else/You just saw your pain/And now I cry in the middle of the night/For the same damn thing/Because of you/Because of you/Because of you I am afraid/Because of you I never stray too far from the sidewalk/Because of you I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt/Because of you/I try my hardest just to forget everything/Because of you/I don't know how to let anyone else in/Because of you/I'm ashamed of my life because it's empty/Because of you I am afraid/Because of you."

Anyway, I don't know of anything like this in country, though that may not be because it's not there but just because I don't know the genre well enough. Haggard's "Hungry Eyes" suggests something difficult (like, maybe sometime mommas are too hurt to try); maybe there's more. (Subject for further research: Hank Snow.) But "Because of You" is more in the territory of Faster Pussycat's "House of Pain" and Everclear's "Father of Mine" and Pink's "Family Portrait" and Lindsay Lohan's "Confessions of a Broken Heart" and Ashlee Simpson's "Shadow." The country equivalent? Maybe LeAnn Rimes' album track "No Way Out" if you decide she's talking about her relationship to her dad. (But didn't the country audience make clear that they didn't consider that album country?)

I'll continue this thought later, but there's also something going on - though subtly - in the sound of "Because of You" that also isn't yet a part of country, and that's goth.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

>I don't know of anything like this in country<

"A Boy Named Sue"? "Up Againt the Wall Redneck Mother"? ("he ain't responsible for what he's doing 'cause his mother made him what he is")

or okay, maybe not... this deserves much more thought, though.

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 February 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and duh, "family tradition," hank jr (in fact just about everything he ever sang, maybe)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 February 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, the lyricist on Skeeter Davis's "End of the World," Sylvia Dee, had - according to an article by Steve Morley from I'm not sure where that a friend of mine sent me several years ago - been saving some of the lyrics since age 14 when her father had died, and she told Skeeter Davis that some of the words were actual phrases that her mother had used. Arthur Kent, who wrote the music, said that publishers would tell him "Who the hell wants to sing a song called 'End of the World'?" He said dozens turned it down. "I would hear things like, 'Tell Sylvia to stop writing this kind of crap.'"

(According to the article Kent's and Dee's background had been in pop songwriting, and I'm assuming Kent was basically marketing the thing pop, so it's interesting that country producer Chet Atkins was the guy who heard potential in the song.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to hear a lot more Hank Jr.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Switching subjects, I may not know much about videos these days, but I know from stupid, and whatever you think about Jessica Simpson's cocktease routine in "These Boots Are Made For Walkin'" (shake your impressive tush and get the boys fighting), it's not stupid. (This a reaction to Pink's "Stupid Girls" vid, which I ought to write about on the teenpop thread.) I remember Xhuxk last year complaining about Jessica making her voice small for the song, but it effectively gets under my skin. Cute being a jujitsu move.

Also (again not knowing much about country videos especially, and I'm sure there's lots of precedent here) she's being the girl who walks in and causes T.R.O.U.B.L.E. in that Travis Tritt song.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

a bunch of early dolly seems to touch similar issues, i think, w/o going to the tape, i may have to rescind this

Anthony Easton, Sunday, 12 February 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Similar to "Because of You," or similar to cute as a jujitsu move? (Or both?)

I remember Eric Weisbard played Dolly's "Down from Dover" for me, and he told me as he cued it up, "When you get to the end, your hair will stand on end." When it got to the end my hair stood on end.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

also in the tradition of hank jr's family tradition, of course, are the montgomery gentry songs where they ain't gonna spare the rod 'cause that ain't what they're daddy did. though i'm still not sure if that would count as an example of what frank's looking for.

i'm going to call *Totally Country 5* (which contains the montgomery gentry song in question, not to mention kerosene, homewrecker, dierks's how am i doin', suds in the bucket, van zant's help somebody, i play chicken with the train, god's will (token shitty song from a good album) and blake shelton's goodbye time) a keeper, since it also has xxl and hicktown (which is a DANCE song by the way), and i've yet to see or hear a copy of the keith anderson and jason aldean albums, and it also has craig morgan's kenny-chesney-wannabe redneck yacht club, which i've decided i like despite its strange socioeconomic contradictions even though i forget who the hell craig morgan is otherwise. ray scott's my kind of music is okay, too, at least soundwise -- talking blues with annoying pandering lyrics about how she can't get enough of whitney but he prefers waylon so she's outta there, god what a dumbass. also rans: andy griggs's if heaven (was a town it'd be my town in the summer 1985 and if it was a beer it be my last one), yucko, though i'd still like to hear the album it's from someday since i'm a fan of the more cinderella-style hair-metallic stuff on his '02 *freedeom* album; brooks & dunn's useless it's getting better all the time (which rips off the same beatles song that modern english did once except not even a tenth as well); lonestar's you're like coming home, which i forget what it sounds like even while it's on. helpful CD (despiite its odd chronology -- i.e., nothing from the CURRENT dierks or sara evans albums), since i no longer have cable and live in country-station-less NYC, which means i am sad;y months behind on the current state of hit country singles.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

their. freedom. sadly. etc. (i need a proofreader.)

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

down to dover is a song that is so good, so tragic, so epic, that it escapes standard critical tools...and ever version i have heard is like an axe to the vitals, (esp. sally timms)

Anthony Easton, Monday, 13 February 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

>i fucking love jesus takes the wheel, well written, well sung, and avoiding the silliness, it could be.<

i like it a lot too. but er..it could be what, anthony?

>nothing from the CURRENT dierks or sara evans albums<

or martina mcbride, either. yet there's hits from the past few months on it by other people. i wonder why that is.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

There might be licensing and marketing issues.

I've got the antho but haven't listened yet, but I did let Launch Yahoo run on its own a bit today and among others I heard "My Kind of Music" and "Redneck Yacht Club" and "Hicktown," all three of which I like, in that order I think. My notes on the Ray Scott: "Self-congratulation, singers' names heaved at us like signifiers, but does a good outlaw honky-tonk stomp. Not bad, given the stupid concept." (The concept is no stupider than "Corn Fed"'s, which you voted for, which is also a good stomp, w/ garage rock thrown in) (though I do think that "Corn Fed"'s lyrics are more interesting and must have required more thought, though the resulting narrowness and hypocrisy is even more obnoxious; I mean, I can't say I use criteria that is totally dissimilar to Ray's in evaluating potential love interests, though I might change the artist's names). (Dave Hickey once wrote that he should know better than to date someone who dislikes Robert Mitchum, since it never works out.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Because of you I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt
Because of you/I try my hardest just to forget everything/Because of you/I won't date anyone who dislikes Robert Mitchum/Because of you/I'm ashamed of my life because it's empty/Because of you I am afraid

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Puttering around in Pazz & Jop today, I noticed that everyone who voted for Deana Carter's Story of My Life posts on ILX. Unfortunately, none of them have vaginas, so I won't be dating any of them.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I was going to say something about "Redneck Yacht Club" and "Hicktown." The first seems to present redneck as not far from fratboy. My favorite part is at the end, where "na-na-nas" enter back in the mix, making this momentarily a crypto sing-along and gangshout. My notes on "Hicktown": "Basic stomp (which isn't altogether far from disco); has something of the slow dramatic walk of 'Heard It Through the Gapevine.' But it doesn't quite break through for me."

OK, getting up and playing "Hicktown" right now, I think the trouble is that it's not slow enough, not spare enough, not obsessive enough. The best part comes 2:15 in, when voice and fiddle shut up and for ten seconds you've got a tough little breakbeat. Someone tell Bambaataa right away.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Pazz & Jop
Scott, Raymond (placed # 1773)
My Kind of Music
UNKNOWN

White, Armond

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of not slow enough, not spare enough, not obsessive enough, and the Clarkson country classicism you crave (try some more George Jones, and Willie's "Permanently Lonley," "I Never Cared For You," "Half A Man"), last night, I saw the end of the Bonnie Raitt/Lyle Lovett edition of Crossroads. I was afraid his usually meandering voice would bring out her tendency to sluggishness, but sure didn't, not on the song I heard, her standard (John Prine's credit), "Angel From Montgomery." The problem with this song is that it's way easy to upstage the determindedly bare-bulb, brittle lyrics (a lonely old lady, thinking the same damn frustrated, fearful, despairing-if-pissed-off thoughts, one more sleepless night: "How the hell can a person/go to work in the mornin'/and come home in the evenin'/and have nothin' to say."), by jumping in and getting loud with the moneyshot bravura chorus, over and over. But Lyle, smiling his hideous smile at Bonnie, got her to relax (remember, he was married to Julia Roberts). And the old song creaked and swirled and prowled, the old lady made her rounds, and it was the most effective performance of it I've ever heard.(I'll send you some Hank Jr., but he's usually not like this, past his barely-post-face-erasure songs.)

don, Monday, 13 February 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Armond White (who's black) voted for two country albums and six country singles. I wonder if anyone else voted for as many country singles. Kandia Crazy Horse (who's also black) voted for at least four (some what she voted for I hadn't heard of and so had no idea if they were country). Actually, looking some more, I see a whole bunch of people voted for four, and Edd voted for nine. So he probably wins.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

one thing i didn't say in my *totally country 5* notes above is that "goodbye time" by blake shelton (token so-what song from a great album) is probably no more useful than "it's getting better all the time" (which is at least prettily sung, as are most brooks & dunn ballads, and which seems to concern the singer having caught his lady with another man the night before). i can't begin to understand why "goodbye time" would have been chosen as a single; it's got to be one of the dullest tracks on blake's CD. probably THE dullest track.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

one of these days when i have more time i'll try to formulate why "corn fed"'s bullshit doesn't bother me; maybe if the raymond scott song stomped or swung anywhere near as hard (honestly, outside of "kerosene," did any country hit rock as hard as "corn fed" last year?) i'd excuse its bullshit too. but shannon brown's bullshit is also way more interesting, way less rote. and what can i say, it really pisses me off when scott takes his stupid dig at the eagles.

as for *totally*'s tracklist, yeah, it occured to me that licensing might be an issue. i haven't checked if the older tracks are less likely to be sony bmg, but maybe that has something to do with it. i totally stink at remembering record labels anyway. but maybe sara's, martina's, and dierk's (and brooks & dunn's, come to think of it - their song here came from their best-of album which i never heard) labels don't want their songs here to cut into sales of their current albums. whereas maybe with smaller acts like aldean and anderson (whose album edd says he's going to send me so i finally hear it - thanks edd!) *totally country* is considered a smart promotional tool.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

>Redneck Yacht Club"...seems to present redneck as not far from fratboy.<

Yeah, it's weird; I've never equated parrotheads with rednecks. And I've always assumed that anybody rich enough to afford a yacht *can't* be a redneck. (Though maybe they're not real yachts, just powerboats or something? Can you fire up tiki torches on a powerboat? I should listen closer to the lyrics, but either way, it seems kind of extravagant by Jeff Foxworthy's definition, I would say.) So part of the feeling I get with the song is boatowners lying to themselves.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"hicktown" to me just sounds better and better -- the words (which, as i think anthony easton has pointed out, are really really specific, worthy of a really great rap song) and the beat (which, as frank points out, at least flirts with disco, and includes a quite funky break). definitely should have voted for this (instead of "corn fed"!) on my nashville scene ballot; maybe should've p&j'd it as well. (to anybody who has heard it, how does the rest of his album sound? somebody here voted for it in the nashivlle poll, didn't they?)

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

bruce robison, *eleven stories* -- not as good as charlie robison (charlie's last album anyway, the only one i've heard -- they're brothers, right?) possibly better than james taylor, who this album reminds me of. but no songs as nearly as good as "fire and rain." (actually, i'd say some of this reminds me of ricky skaggs trying to be james taylor. which might mean it's like john denver? could be.)

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

xp The Aldean gets decidedly less specific and interesting after "Hicktown," which is the first track. I like the second song about saving the farm (forget the name now) and there's another in the middle, a modern day cowboy song that has a nice hook but the rest sounded fairly generic otherwise (lyrics definitely generic) -- at least that's what I remember of it. It's been a couple of months. I do recall at the time thinking that the album was a weird marriage of trad modern country and something more rockish, propulsive that was "Hicktown."

werner T., Monday, 13 February 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, a redneck yacht club would use a fishin' boat. altho some of the bass-fishing boats I've seen, with elaborate GPS locators and huge outboard motors--you could sail around the world in one of those things. maybe it's important to understand the typical southern male's love of many motorized vehicles...I mean the other day I was visiting someone who has this farm with cattle, and these guys were out in a snowy field herding up these old cows on these crazy four-wheelers, scooting all over the place. my brother-in-law has a bass boat that costs more than some people's houses--he's fucking serious about it.

anyway, I always saw parrotheads as middle-class good ol' boys rather than rednecks--they can afford to go down to Destin or Ft. Lauderdale or deep-sea fish once or twice a year, and they usually have a Neville Brothers CD and maybe even Lyle Lovett in with their Gentry, Jackson and Urban (for the wife). music, perhaps, aimed at/informed by the coastal Catholic south-- that area in between New Orleans and Pensacola? and of course frats and sororities, maybe they go with their parents to see Jimmy for some controlled drinking.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Is "Totally Country" a good series for someone who (due to geographical reasons) doesn't get exposed to all that much Country? I notice amazon.uk stocks it, which isn't the case with many albums by current mainstream country artists. Since even slsk is very hit-and-miss with furnishing me with the stuff that gets talked about on this thread, would this be a good "Ragga Ragga Ragga" equivalent for Country?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Vol. 5 is actually the first volume I've heard, Daniel, but if its song selection is any indication, they've got some good song pickers; which other volumes were you considering? What are their tracklists?

xhuxk, Monday, 13 February 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

They have volumes two, three and four.

Volume 2:
1. Modern Day Bonnie and Clyde - Travis TrittMusic
2. I Breathe in, I Breathe Out - Chris CagleMusic
3. Just What I Do - Trick PonyMusic
4. My Town - Montgomery GentryMusic
5. That's When I Love You - Phil VassarMusic
6. Best Day - George StraitMusic
7. But for the Grace of God - Keith UrbanMusic
8. Ten Rounds With Jose Cuervo - Tracy ByrdMusic
9. Ol' Red - Blake SheltonMusic
10. Life Happened - Tammy CochranMusic
11. One - Gary AllanMusic
12. She Was - Mark ChesnuttMusic
13. Wrapped Around - Brad PaisleyMusic
14. Impossible - Joe NicholsMusic
15. I Don't Want You to Go - Carolyn Dawn JohnsonMusic
16. I'm Movin' On - Rascal FlattsMusic
17. Ashes by Now - Lee Ann WomackMusic

Volume 3:
1. Unbroken - Tim McGrawMusic
2. Cry - Faith HillMusic
3. Speed - Montgomery GentryMusic
4. Three Wooden Crosses - Randy TravisMusic
5. Blessed - Martina McBrideMusic
6. Love You Out Loud - Rascal FlattsMusic
7. Beautiful Mess - Diamond RioMusic
8. Baby - Blake SheltonMusic
9. Was That My Life - Jo Dee Messina
10. Not a Day Goes By - LonestarMusic
11. When You Lie Next to Me - Kellie CoffeyMusic
12. American Child - Phil VassarMusic
13. On a Mission - Trick PonyMusic
14. One Last Time - Dusty DrakeMusic
15. Strong Enough to Be Your Man - Travis TrittMusic
16. Life Goes On - LeAnn RimesMusic
17. Tonight I Wanna Be Your Man - Andy Griggs

Volume 4:
1. That'd Be Alright - Alan JacksonMusic
2. Redneck Woman - Gretchen WilsonMusic
3. No Shoes, No Shirt, No Problems - Kenny ChesneyMusic
4. Some Beach - Blake SheltonMusic
5. Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy) - Big & RichMusic
6. I Love This Bar - Toby KeithMusic
7. Brokenheartsville - Joe NicholsMusic
8. Little Moments - Brad PaisleyMusic
9. Letters from Home - John Michael Montgomery
10. Tough Little Boys - Gary AllanMusic
11. Desperately - George StraitMusic
12. Let's Be Us Again - LonestarMusic
13. Perfect - Sara EvansMusic
14. Heaven - Los Lonely BoysMusic
15. I Can't Sleep - Clay WalkerMusic
16. Help Pour Out the Rain (Lacey's Song) - Buddy JewellMusic
17. Hell Yeah - Montgomery Gentry

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 13 February 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

5 is put out by Sony/BMG in association with Warner Bros, and there's nothing distributed by Universal on it, hence no Gary Allan (though I see he was on a previous). I forget if Capitol/EMI is still standing on its own (weren't they the ones who a couple of years ago paid Mariah Carey millions to depart, since they knew she would never hit big again?) or if one of the others swallowed them; anyway, Dierks' is the only Capitol/EMI track on this, and as Xhuxk points out, it's an old one. Aldean and Morgan are on Broken Bow records, which apparently is an honest-to-god indie (so at least two indie labels - Broken Bow and Equity - are scoring hits in the country market; do you know of any more?).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

The big surprise for me was how much I like the Sara Evans; as I said last year, I'd previously brushed her aside. Warm and swinging, with a smart and funny new metaphor for why someone hits the road (leaving the suds still in the bucket). She didn't write the song, but she co-produced it.

A small surprise, not necessarily pleasant, was that I had to admit to myself that Martina McBride's "God's Will" pulls me in, despite my despising not just its clumsy, blatant manipulativeness, but its stupid cheap way of making its point. (Um, the crippled are God's children and they can bring God to us.) And the point is dreadful itself. And even with totally different words I don't like the sound of such ballads. But I guess there was enough in the ballad, and in the words, and her big warm-hearted voice, to pull me in. Not that I intend to play it much, and I still don't feel it sounds good. But there's power in it.

(If she were really going to face the theological issue - assuming there is one? something along the lines of [to quote Loretta Lynn] "God makes no mistakes"? - she'd have to plump for the abusive father in "Independence Day" also representing God's will, right?)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus take the whell could have been silly but isnt, is what i meant

Anthony Easton, Monday, 13 February 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

What's most offensive in the Ray Scott track is that he doesn't consider reaching out and thinking about what she might like. But the song cooks anyway. The Morgan didn't sound as strong this time, sans video, but I like the fact that it mentions SPF 15. Hey rednecks, got to avoid that redness!

xpost

I need to get back to "Jesus Take the Wheel." I've heard so much "turn it over to God" crap since moving to Colorado that I just may not be able to give it a fair chance.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, "Independence Day" has at least some resemblance to "Because of You," though it comes across as more positive and liberating, delivering a kick in the Mom's decision to blow everything up. Its despair and vengeance seem within country's ken (and isn't divorced from murder-ballad conventions, though it's certainly something different). Not that it's a simple song. It doesn't pretend to answer the questions it raises.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

And by "country" I guess I mean "the audience for mainstream commercial country." So, not the audience for Mary Gauthier or Shelby Lynne.

Speaking of whom, now that I know something of Shelby Lynne's childhood tragedy, the fact that she recorded John Lennon's "Mother" on Love, Shelby means a hell of a lot more.

(I don't know what it says about me that learning of her trauma makes her more interesting to me, but it does. Wish I hadn't sold those two albums I had.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Daniel, the only one of those prev three vols I'd want is 4, and then 5. The Gulf Shores area incl what's called the Redneck Riviera, incl what's called Riviera Rednecks, but they aren't just confined to that area, and may not be there much anymore, since so much of it's still torn to shit from Ivan, and several quieter encores. Usually I hear it applied to older, Big Daddy types, but could be older, richer parrotheads too, as well as xpost more middle class. Yknow Buffettable (who's from Mobile, not too far from Gulf Shores) used to brag about having smuggled pot on his boat; now he brags about being related to Warren Buffett.

don, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

(Daniel although I'm in the UK I've been using amazon.com rather than amazon.co.uk for my country buying recently: although the postage is £1.50 or so more, often you save that much and more as a result of cheaper records in the US + exchange rate business. The Used and New part is the place to be, obv. And this thread has cost me quite a lot of money, some of it well spent.)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Funny to see Los Lonely Boys on Vol. 4 there, not that you couldn't shoehorn 'em into country, but it looks like just about all the other artists are unmistakable Nashville products, while I don't think anybody would call LLB a country band first and foremost.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Vol 4 and 5 seem by far your best bets, judging only from their song lists, and assuming that you don't already own their best tracks on other albums. But I'm kinda amazed at how much stuff on the first three volumes I either don't remember or I never paid attention to (or heard at all) in the first place. They all look intriguing to me.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

best thing about 'jesus take the wheel': that big fluffy chorus, holding out hope to all of us in our crazy lives that there is a higher power who can make it all all right, etc.

worst thing about 'jesus take the wheel': that opening verse sure makes it sound like the reason her life is in need of jesus is that she's got a job and a kid (single mom I guess but not necessarily), it seems like god sent that ice patch to tell her 'you can't do both you silly girl, go get a man and then you can stay home with yr kid & bible, cause there are no icy patches there'

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

>first three volumes<

or the second and third anyway (since you didn't list the first)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

>at least two indie labels - Broken Bow and Equity - are scoring hits in the country market; do you know of any more?)<

Whichever one Chely Wright's fascist bumper sticker song was on. (Though did her album eventually come out on a major? I forget. That's another 2005 country album I'd still like to hear by the way.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way Carrie's voice kinda breaks on "wheel" in "Jesus Take." the point of that song is that she doesn't have enough money to have a really good car on the ice, or to invite her parents to *her* house for Christmas, seems to me. it's kinda like the new Jamey Johnson record--I wish they were just even more explicitly about money; Jamey's really gets at class and losing-your-authenticity quite well in "Ray Ray's Juke Joint" and "Rebelicious" and the two money songs that open the record and even "Keepin' Up with the Jonesin'." but like Carrie's, it doesn't go far enough for my tastes at least; still, I like the effort both of them make. and Jamey co-wrote Trace Adkins's "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk"--"Rebelicious" is kind of part two of that single.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

via email from ned sublette:

FEBRUARY 14, 2006

1 P.M. EST

FOR PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION


WILLIE NELSON RECORDS NED SUBLETTE'S "COWBOYS ARE FREQUENTLY SECRETLY."

YES, HE REALLY DID.

NOW AVAILABLE AS A DOWNLOAD. AND SOON, A RINGTONE.

SPREAD THE MEME.

I was sworn to secrecy until now, but today, on Valentine's Day, it can be told.

In 1981, sitting at a piano in Portales, New Mexico, I wrote a song called "Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly," whose first two verses and chorus go:

There's many a strange impulse out on the plains of West Texas

There's many a young boy who feels things he don't comprehend

Well, the small town don't like it when somebody falls between sexes

No, the small town don't like it when a cowboy has feelings for men.

Now I believe to my soul that inside every man there's the feminine

And inside every lady there's a deep manly voice loud and clear

Well the cowboy may brag about things that he does with his women

But the ones that brag loudest are the ones who are most likely queer.

Cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other

What did you think all them saddles and boots was about?

There's many a cowboy who don't understand the way that he feels for his brother

Inside every cowboy there's a lady who'd love to slip out.

It was the era of the urban cowboy plague, when the country charts were full of cowboys this and cowboys that songs. Inspired, I wrote this song, imagining Willie Nelson singing it.

"Cowboys" seemed to strike a nerve, and for a time was the thing I was best known for. It took on a life of its own, as songs will do. After the first time I sang it, I got requests for "the one about the cowboys" at the next gig I did, and on and on. I probably don't need to point out that at the time, the term AIDS was unknown. A live recording of the first-ever performance of it by my band appeared on a John Giorno anthology. I made a damn fine recording of it in the 80s, with an A-team of specialist players, that has never come out. It was covered by the queercore group Pansy Division, who changed it from a waltz to 4/4. I tried to place it in Brokeback Mountain, but the word I got was that it was too funny for a tear-jerkin' movie.

My friend Tony Garnier, who played bass on my studio version, passed a copy of the track to Willie Nelson in maybe 1988. After living with the song all these years, Willie has recorded it.

It has just been released as a download-only single on iTunes, and as of this morning, it's available at iTunes.

It was premiered this morning, a few months shy of 25 years since I wrote it, for Valentine's Day, when Willie appeared as a guest on the Howard Stern show. I didn't hear it, since I don't yet get Sirius. The song has the F-word in it (it's not gratuitous, it's structural), and by going over to Sirius, Howard Stern can play it unedited. Satellite radio is the new FM.

It's pretty amazing to hear Willie sing this song. Not just because it has the word "queer" in it. Not even because it's the first time I've heard Willie Nelson sing the word "fuck." But because of his interpretive power. Since I originally imagined Willie singing it, I feel kind of like I already heard it, way back when. But Willie as an interpreter is always surprising, and I learned a hundred things about my own song hearing him give it back to me.

But here's the best part.

There's going to be a "Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly" ringtone. I don't have the link yet, but if you want it, e-mail me and I'll try to keep on top of it. After all, ringtones are the new singles.

I'm told there is also a video, though I haven't seen it.

Please feel free to let all your friends and acquaintances know. And thank you, Willie.

Late-breaking update: An article in the Dallas Morning News today quoted a prepared statement by Willie as saying, "The song's been in the closet for 20 years":

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

first published on metal thread:

hurricane mason (from tulsa, oklahoma), *cast iron constitution* (2002), *it's only miles* (2005). first CD has the most badass cover of any cdbaby band cd i've come across lately -- a great big american bison buffalo, which is a VERY MANLY ANIMAL. (insert joke here about the difference between a buffalo and a bison is that a bison is what britsh people wash their hands in, etc.) second album cover is a rearview mirror. (insert meat loaf or hootie and blowfish album title here etc.) first album also *sounds* more badass, more ruff and tuff, both vocally and musically: "don't shine me on" a kickass boogie rocker, "head up in the clouds" a good long 8:13 choogle about gettin nekkid in new orleans that stretches out by winding down to a winding allmansesque ending, "killer machine" a gloomy spooky slow heavy one with a nazareth-style buildup; "spare change" an open-road biker ballad with a sped up ending. can't place which second-tier '70s southern rocker the vocalist sings like, but it was an okay one, whoever it was -- though the singer doesn't always grab you with his words like he should (he does better on the buffalo album than the rearview one). though the band is still pretty stodgy overall, which is more a detriment on the more recent album, though "girl across the street" could almost be a garland jeffreys song, "painted smile" has another slow spooky build to it climaxing in "the rich man makes the rules and the poor man writes the songs" and by that point i'm wondering if this is what springsteen's pre-debut-album jersey shore metal band steel mill or whatever they were called might've sounded like, "news man" is about how the TV news lies and has a heavy riff that keeps coming in, "little drops of rain" is their second song to mention new orleans (and you will notice they have hurricane in their name, crazy, huh?), and the closer "soulshine" is "written by warren haynes" (so, a gov't mule cover maybe? i dunno) and has soul singers in the background, and before that there's a song about how every schoolboy's fantasy is to grow up to be angus young and they quote "it's a long way to the top" in it. their cdbaby page likens them to nugent, grand funk, neil young, ac/dc, black crowes, santana, and black sabbath, not all of which i hear myself but maybe you will.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i titled my (failed) emp proposal after the song, and have both ned and pansy divisions versions on mp3, it is a song of a strange and enormous power--of course its camp, but camp as devoted love song, camp that is serious and true about its intentions, and camp as a political/personal text.

i think that its one of my favourite country songs, and i want them to play it for the first dance at my wedding.

i love willie is doing this, and i wished i could get i tunes to work, cause i want to hear it

Anthony Easton, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) OK, how do I start the campaign to encourage enough downloads of "Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly" to send the song into the Top 40?

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

im not sure, email and blogs im assuming

Anthony Easton, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not too swooft with itunes either, I think my computer's got Alzheimer's. Reminds me of a line in that Dave Hickey piece about Waylon I was talking about on the Rolling 2005 or 2004: Waylon's backstage guest is going on and on about queers, and Waylon says, "Well Hoss, long as you can find somethin' warm to squeeze." I'll have to check Hurricane Mason too. Are bison bi? Are Grouchy Roosters? Thanxx for Copperhead Live & Lost, xhuxx. They don't sound lost, although "Whiskey Mama" bespeaks true abandon. So REO had a singer like that, on their very first album? Wow. Overall, a bit like Deep Purple x Allmans (with James Gang rhythm? Something like that). I think it's "Keepin' On" that sounds like how the ex-Allmans Dickey Betts might fit with the Purps, and who knows, maybe he will, if ex-Dixie Dregs Steve Morse goes back to being an airline pilot. xpost Josh, Los Lonely Boys were sort of proteges of Willie, he was fond enough of them to give 'em studio time and a slot on his tours (he played a really good, brittle solo, not speedy like his usual, on their cover of "Cisco Kid," when they were on one of his cast-of-thousands USA Network specials, now all on CD and DVD, I think). And they've had some vids on CMT, and their own CMT Crossroads, co-starring Ronnie Milsap. Which worked fine, was one of the better Crossroads, for sure. (Right after I saw that xpost Raitt/Lovett Crossroads, flipped over to TMC, and they were showing a trailer for one of the Benji movies, the one Charlie Rich sang in and scored.[scored the music, I mean--no, not "Behind Closed Doors.] Flashback to a 70s afternoon talkshow, Merv Griffith's or Mike Douglas's: Benji bounds out, unaccompanied, barking his ass off, then runs over and grabs the cuff of Ronnie Milsap's bell, shaking it like it was a rat. Ronnie grimaces, tilting back his head; blind, shaded eyes angle up toward the lights. Nobody moves, 'til Denver Pyle, who played the Dukes' uncle [Willie's part in the movie], gets up, and yells, "Git! Shoo! Hya-Hya-Hya!" And herds Benji back to the wings.)

don, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

FLEETWOOD MAC QUEENS OF COUNTRY, KINGS OF GRIME

I mentioned upthread that Little Big Town's "Bones" draws on Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain." Well, I just listened to the grime compilation Run the Road Vol. 2, and the remix of Sway's "Up Your Speed" cops the bass riff that John McVie uses on "The Chain"'s ending rave-up. The Sway track plays the riff on some orchestral-type keyboard setting, so the sound is of an ominous orchestral motif rather than the big-bouncing bottom that it is on the Fleetwood Mac album. (I'm wondering if there might not be some intermediate track post-FM and pre-Sway that uses the riff and might be Sway's [or his remixer's] immediate source.)

(Yeah, I know the connection of this post to country is tenuous.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

AP's story about the Willie track was in the headlines on my EarthLink homepage, so the story is getting a lot of play; you probably won't need a special campaign to inspire downloads.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i still want the fucking song, and a link to that story as well

Anthony Easton, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Calexico, *Garden Ruin*: Wow, dullsville. What happened to the desert (the Tex-Mex and the good and the bad and the ugly) in these guys' sound? I like *Feast of Wire* a few years ago. This is just another alt-country folk=snooze record, at least for the first few songs at least, though I notice that it does pick up speed a pinch by track #5 "Letter to Bowie Knife" and finally a little mariachi and Spanish words come in for track #6 "Roka." But by then it's too fucking late.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Garth Brooks' Sessions lands on my desk with a two-sentence promo sheet. Something like "Here's 'Sessions' and thanks for reviewing it." OK. Has anybody else heard this? I guess it's some new stuff that Good Ride Cowboy Chris Ledoux tribute song and of course Mrs. Brooks is on it. But mostly its old songs that didn't make the cut I guess.

werner T., Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i just got it too, and was like what the fuck? had never heard it was coming, or anything. guess i'll listen to it. just not right now.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, quick hunt on internut shows its another Wal-Mart only album, most of it oldies, though I see three 2005 songs on it. And I'm listening to it right now and I like.

werner T., Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The wildest song on the Sessions so far is Cowgirl's Saddle and how when Garth dies he wants to come back as one because you know, wink wink, you get to ride horses and hold a Cowgirl tight. Huh huh.

werner T., Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

there was something on CMT about those Garth sessions, but I haven't seen a copy yet.

here's part of Jon Weisberger's appreciation of the late Charles K. Wolfe in today's Nashville Scene:

there are scholars whose life and work demand respect, and none deserves it more than Murfreesboro’s Dr. Charles K. Wolfe, who died last Thursday after a long struggle with diabetes and the complications that attend it. No country music writer was more prolific than Wolfe, who published 19 books and was at work on several more projects at the time of his death. And none ranged more freely across the sweep of the music’s history, tackling subjects both broad and narrow. Most importantly, none was more engaged with the object of his study, applying the insights gained from close attention to the music’s early years to the trends and happenings of today.

Those who focused, professionally or not, on the string bands of the 1920s and 1930s knew that Wolfe could be relied on to fill in a blank, or at least to point them in the right direction. But journalists covering country music news, too, knew that he was always ready to provide an informed, clear and pointed context for the latest developments and controversies.

Though country music itself is old, the serious study of country music is not, and it is no exaggeration to say that Wolfe, together with a handful of colleagues, was instrumental in the construction of country music history as a worthy and viable subject. Yet while his research was as thorough as possible, his work was aimed not so much at other scholars as at those who were involved or interested in the music, or who could be persuaded by a blend of passion and knowledge to become so.

By necessity, most of Wolfe’s books were published by academic presses. But he was also a frequent contributor and consultant to both public and commercial television documentaries. His publications in scholarly journals were matched by dozens of liner notes that accompanied contemporary releases and reissues of undeservedly obscure recordings.

The range of Wolfe’s interests—and hence of his knowledge—was simply staggering. The Devil’s Box: Masters of Southern Fiddling, a collection of essays published in 1997, covered subjects ranging from the age of fiddle styles heard on country’s earliest recordings to the career of Tommy Jackson, who played a key role in defining the instrument’s role in the 1950s and beyond. Another collection, Classic Country (2001), offered succinct sketches not only of Hall of Famers like Grandpa Jones (with whom Wolfe co-authored an autobiography) and Bill Monroe, but of forgotten figures like songwriter Arthur Q. Smith and the mysterious Seven Foot Dilly.

With historian Kip Lornell, Wolfe co-authored a book-length study of the great African American blues and folk singer Leadbelly. He also acted as the chief consultant for PBS’ broad American Roots Music series and wrote a biography of gospel legend Mahalia Jackson.

To all of these subjects, Wolfe brought an unalloyed, infectious enthusiasm, and it was natural that the same spirit led him not just to scholarship, but to engagement and activism. Sometimes this manifested itself simply in encouragement and assistance to other students of roots music, including those he taught during the course of more than 30 years at MTSU. At others, it led to lasting collaborations and friendships with a diverse collection of artists and musicians. At still others, it took the form of public commentary and advocacy, perhaps most notably when Wolfe adopted the title of “curmudgeon” to weigh in on personnel changes at the Country Music Hall of Fame & Museum.

Given the International Bluegrass Music Association’s Distinguished Achievement Award in 1990, Wolfe also served behind the scenes in helping to create the organization’s Leadership Bluegrass program. The initiative is aimed at shoring up not only the music’s ongoing creative vitality but its commercial survival.

“In an age when country music seems to be shooting off in a dozen different directions, it is important to remind ourselves that there was once, and still is, a broad mainstream that genuinely defined the genre,” Wolfe wrote in the introduction to Classic Country. Ultimately, it’s the assertion of country music’s importance that points to his greatest legacy. For while his work has its own merits, what may count for most in the end is his insistence that music, and especially country music, matters—that not only does it have things to tell us that we need to listen to, and not only does it have intrinsic joys and rewards, but that these can only be enriched by a deeper knowledge of who made it, and how and why. Whether or not they realize it, every denizen of Music Row, every fan and every artist, from the unknown fiddler tackling the “Black Mountain Rag” to the current toast of the town, owes Charles Wolfe a debt of gratitude

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

that's Joe, not Jon, Weisberger who wrote the Wolfe obit.

Chris Neal did a nice piece today also in Nashville Scene, about the Country Radio Seminar. it's worth reading in full: title is "Radio Interference." some interesting facts: country radio has 2042 stations right now, up from 690 when CRS started 37 years ago--more than any other format, if I read it right. Arbitron says country listenership is at its highest level in 7 years. and good stuff on satellite/subscription stations like XL and Sirius, who have 9 million listeners, a lot but nothing compared to 230 "terrestial" radio stations. Neal maintains that "long-form" programming might prove a boon to country artists and listeners, too, and cites the venerable Nashville station 95.5 FM, now called "The Wolf," as an example of a traditional station that has opened up its programming, playing what you'd expect but also stuff like the Eagles, Commodores, Quarterflash...and he talks about acts like Pinmonkey, who are apparently getting some nice royalty checks thru their play on satellite. there's more, and as I say, worth reading.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Quarterflash!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Logan asserts that satellite has already been instrumental in breaking new country acts, citing Sony BMG's Miranda Lambert, who has sold more than half a million copies of her 2005 debut album, Kerosene, without ever hitting the Top 10 on traditional airplay charts. "We can expose artists to millions of people," he declares. "This will be the primary focal point for breaking country music in the future."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

But broadcast and satellite aren't the only games in town anymore. For example, Pinmonkey have ventured onto MySpace.com, an Internet site that began as a simple meet-new-friends service but has become an ideal way for artists, from bedroom hobbyists to major-label acts, to let their music be heard and to boost turnout for shows.

"If you’re touring on a grassroots level like we are," explains drummer Crouch, "you can search demographically by age group and pick, say, 19- to 42-year-olds in Winston-Salem, N.C., knowing that you're going to be there in two weeks. Then you send out a message to those people saying, 'Come check it out.' You can micromarket."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

that's Joe, not Jon, Weisberger who wrote the Wolfe obit.

Nope. You were right the first time, Edd. The online version of the Scene fucked up the byline. Jon is a good bluegrass bass player and bluegrass critic in Nashville.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Steel Rodeo's Treats. First two tunes are killer: "Rescue Me," an AC/DC-style rocker with a dramatic wah-wah solo, maybe as played by the Georgia Satellites, and "Washed Away," something Bob Seger would have been proud of around "Turn the Page" or so. "Bad Girl Blues" is more rock 'n' roll, the singer telling the bad girl she forced a shot of her wickedness into him, not that he didn't like it. Album basically rocks from start to finish, built on Stones licks and Wyman/Starr drumming, which means it really really really sounds like the Georgia Satellites, only like Satellites who didn't run out of songs about halfway through their second album. More consistent, actually, than first Georgia Satellites LP. Good singer, too, with a hillbilly poor man's Van Morrison thing going on.

-- George the Animal Steele (george_the_animal_steele...), February 15th, 2006.

Double on their other album on CD Baby, 60 Cycle Hum. "Carol Ann" and "Ghost Train" are the big tunes and the Georgia Satellites sound is even more pronounced on the first half dozen out of ten on the record. The blurbs on CD Baby say they have four albums, none of which I'd heard or seen anywhere until they came available in entirety on-line.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, Roy, I thought it was Jon.

so I think I'm won over by Birde Busch's new folkie record "The Ways We Try." she sounds nice and casual and a bit droll, and I'm sort of in love with the closing track, "Room in the City," a lovely 6/8 ballad with a beautiful little chromatic piano figure and intelligently used pedal steel. I like the way she doesn't try so hard to prettify her voice, and it's a really charming song about songwriting and its relationship to how people actually live: "Had a room in the city/And he needed room to grow/He said 'I've written a thousand songs/Still feel I have nothing to show.'" very nice indeed.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i've decided that i probably like the new legendary shack shakers album more than george does but less than don does. (also not as much as their previous album, which had more junior parker funk and less tom waits oompah.) catchiest and also punkiest (thanks to jello biafra??) song on new one: "south electric eyes." next in line after that probably "somethin in the water" (which seems to somehow concern living in a dry county if i read it right), then "jipsy valentine" (for its gogol bordello break). most country cut: "the ballad of speedy atkins." most country lyric: "he's not mr. right but he's mr. right now" (the world's first ever povertyneck hillbillies quote??) in "bible, candle, and skull." pretty good sax part: "nellie bell."

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

>I hope [Redhill] win all the Motor City Music Awards they just got nominated for.<

Oops, I misinterpeted an email from the band. I should've said "I hope they get nominated for all the Motor City Music Awards they deserve." Also they have SIX people, not five. EP's still great, though.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 February 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Apropos of nothing, I saw the Autumn Defense last night at the Living Room. Live wasn't as swoonworthy as on record, or more likely I'm just more dependent on production. And John Stirratt, like Mike Mills, is a far better backing vocalist than lead vocalist. But still I loved what I heard.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link

condensed and modified from teenpop thread:

*Aquamarine* soundtrack peaks, in great Hope Partlow Samantha Jo tradition with another GREAT summer song, "Summertime Guys" by longtime Disney pop C-lister Nikki Cleary, which has a killer rumbling bounce of a beat I can't put my finger on - not quite Bow Wow Wow, not quite Bo Diddley, but pretty close taxonomincally: early Sweet, maybe? I dunno, something like that. Song is written by Jeffrey W Coplan (who also produced it), Nikki Cleary, and Robert Ellis Orrall, the last of whom sort of existed on the commercial country/late-Creem powerpop cusp once upon a time and had a #32 Carlene Carter duet pop hit in 1983 with "I Couldn't Say No," and bigger country hits later than that I believe. (See above: "barndance mixer" "Boom! It Was Over" on 1995 K-Tel comp *Country Kickers.*)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 February 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

a whole buncha stuff to deal with (hopefully briefly):

miko marks, *freeway bound*: one of the things that cdbaby seems like it might be useful for is finding out about black people singing country music, since you can quickly scan CD covers which tend to have photos of singers. i've contacted a couple so far, and really wanted to like miko marks, who like grand funk and michael moore is from flint, michigan. she's pictured with charlie pride in her press kit and hints in there also at having a soul music influence, but sadly i don't hear it in her music at all. what i mostly hear in her singing i guess is reba mcentire, and despite liking a few early reba hits (and one album that's actually on my shelf -- *whoever's in new england* i believe), i'm realizing there's something i inherently kinda dislike about reba's voice. maybe it sounds pinched to me or something? anyway, a couple of miko marks' songs are ok, but nothing has grabbed me so far. which doesn't mean some won't eventually, if i give them more of a chance, and i will.

tea leaf green, *taught to be proud*: these guys are also on cdbaby -- four albums, though oddly apparently not this one. and actually i don't remember contacting them about their music, and can't imagine why i would have. this just fell into my lap, somehow. it came out in '05, though if they have a show coming in new york (one reason they may have sent it to me), i haven't noticed. anyway, i kind of like it. its sound reminds me of *workingman's dead,* extremely pretty/hooky/grooveful folk-rock with nice exploratory guitar endings. best one so far is in a song called, um, "rapture," which is not a blondie cover but a song about how the rapture is coming. which would maybe mean they're HARDCORE christians and scary ones, except the lyrics of "rapture" (sung from the point of view as "a gambler with no bankroll" apparently avoiding the "law man") remind me of "renegade" by styx. they mention the Lord in other songs, though. so still Xtian, i guess.

The Tossers, *The Valley of the Shadow of Death*: On Victory Records, which inevitably makes me think I'll hate it, and the only reason I played it is because they *do* have a show coming up in NYC (opening for Dropkick Murphys, which is appropriate as you'll see), and I can make a few bucks by writing a show preview. Ended up liking it a lot more than I expected to -- maybe the best approximation of the Pogues' *Rum Sodomy and the Lash* by an American band I've heard (the Murphys being more like *Red Roses of Me*), hence belonging on the country thread given country's roots in Celtic folk. The Tossers apparently come from an Irish Catholic neighborhood on Chicago's South Side, which would make me wonder why the hell the singer sings in an Irish accent and spells jail "gaol" on the lyric sheet except that I now live in Sunnyside, Queens, which contains something like 15 Irish bars within a few blocks of my apartment (no exagerration, I swear), and people sure do talk with Irish accents in those, despite this also happening to be the United States. Anyway, the album sounds really good, especially the last couple tracks which get quite dark and beautiful and apparently (according to the liner notes) include within them a couple jigs and/or reels originally performed by the Chieftans.

Speaking of Irish bars, I just had a beer at one on the way home from dropping my daughter off at the Port Authority so she could catch the bus back to Bucks County after the weekend, and they played "The Stranger" by Billy Joel, which I never paid attention to much before (it's about how everybody has a split personality or something) and realized maybe it was an attempt to do a reggae song (by the way, I think Mikael Wood underrated Billy Joel in his Voice lead review a few weeks ago, and I actually myself wrote a Voice lead Billy Joel review once in the late '80s explaining what I don't quite hate about him) and they (= said Sunnyside Irish bar) also played "Richard Corey" by Simon & Garfunkel, which I also never paid attention to much before (it's about how some banker's son owns half the town and the singer works in his factory but the rich guy winds up shooting himself) and realized maybe it was an attempt to sound like the Kinks. Has that ever occured to anybody before? (Also both songs belong here since obviously both Billy Joel and Simon & Garfunkel have since influenced commercial country, though I can't think of specifics now.)

Finally, uh, Rockie Lynne's album is on right now. I kinda hate it I think. Not sure why. He just sounds bland and smug or something. The single "Lipstick" is maybe not all that awful -- just another tequila sunrise about going on a spur of the moment vacation to El Paso and elsewhere and sleeping in the desert with your gal, okay, what the hell, I can live with it. More interesting perhaps is "Super Country Cowboy", which is a sort of post-talking blues rap about how Rockie is this new kind of evangelical psychedelic cowboy playing a new kind of country that acknowledges the existence of the Rolling Stones and mp3s. Or something like that. Seemed rather forced to me. But the rest seems even suckier so far.

(okay, maybe not so brief. sorry!)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I went nuts on my two Steel Rodeo burns Friday night. Turns out, it's great drinking music. Can't decide which one rocks more or has better songs, Treats or 60 Cycle Hum. You'll just have to wait and see when you get them. I was listening to a lot of other stuff and then put Steel Rodeo on, and it just hit the spot so good, it seemed not right to take them out of the chamber until I'd had enough.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 20 February 2006 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

ps) tea leaf green's cdbaby page pegs them as a jam band (and maybe not christian after all -- at least, they don't seem to make an issue of it of they are), but to my ears the album they sent is more songful than wanky -- closer to nickel creek (or even little big town maybe) than phish. if this was the '70s, they'd be called soft rock. they're from san francisco, apparently.

pss) miko marks has apparently collaborated with eykah badu, though i'm not sure when.

psss) unclear whether the tossers have *songs* near the level of the pogues's early on; the singer's alright, but he's missing something, i'm not sure what. they sure can reel, though.

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

on third thought (with maybe more to come):

-- tea leaf green are WAY more expansive, explorartion-wise, than either nickel creek or little big town. i guess what reminded me of those bands is the mandolins and/or close harmonies, i'm not sure. But 7 of the 11 songs on this album last 4:53 or longer, so yeah, I guess that's why they're considered a jam band. Why I haven't been *hearing* them as a jam band, I guess, is that the jams seem to emerge so naturally out of the super melodic songs, and the jams stay melodic (and rhythmic) while they happen, so i just hear them more as, um, "long incidental instrumental breaks." fairport convention's in there some, and maybe even steely dan. congas on two tracks. i tend to prefer their longer songs.

-- miko marks has a blues and soul influence in her singing after all, but it tends to show up more in her ballads ("don't come cryin' to me," the plight-of-the-impoverished protest "the lonely one," and my fave so far "feelin' the rain") which seem to be less plentiful than her more upbeat songs. which can be fun (esp the road song "freeway bound" and the very vaguely caribbean-lilted-in-a-phil-vassar-kinda-way summer song "all i wanna do"), but which are mostly just two-steps that sound like the kind of stuff that might have showed up on country stations in the early '90s. i may be wrong about her reba influence; miko sounds like *somebody* from that era, though maybe not reba. maybe somebody (even?) more trad-sounding than reba who i can't quite place. either way, i'm liking her more.

-- the tossers seem more interesting in their slower songs ("drinking in the day," "presab san ol," "the valley of the shadow of death", etc) than their more upbeat ones as well. there is something a little rote-sounding and hopscotchy about the latter, like for instance the dad-i'm-in-gaol-don't-tell-mom-and-don''t-come-post-my-bail opener. for some reason both the singer and rhythm section find their footing more when things slow down.

--at least one song from the *high school musical* OST, "breaking free", sounds as much like a pop-country power ballad to me as a teen-pop power ballad (isn't that one of the big download hits? i think so, since it's one of two tracks with a "karaoke instrumental" version at the end of the CD. and come to think of it, the instumental - which i I kind of like; when I first heard it, it was in my random CD changer, and I guessed it was by either tea leaf green or the tossers! -- sounds somewhat rural or pastoral or whatever as well.) the non-karaoke rendition is said to be sung by leading man troy + leading lady gabrielle.

-- finally, back to Nashville: Did anybody else here notice that dykey member Kristen Hall did not perform with Sugarland at the Grammys a couple weeks ago? I did, and wondered what the hell was up, but then forgot about it the next day. Well, yesterday I saw one of those glossy country mags on a newsstand, and it said Sugarland are now a duo -- Kristen claims to have quit because touring was cutting into her time for writing, etc. Sorry, but I don't buy it. The article also hinted that Jennifer Nettles may wind up with a solo career. Given how Kristen and also goofy nerdy guy Kristian Bush seemed to occupy less and less camera time whenever Sugarland showed up on TV as the past year progressed, I'm really wondering to what extent the weirder looking members were being squeezed out of the picture. And I'm not sure who to blame it on, but whoever's doing it can kiss my ass.

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

(i guess if you count Rancid as USA post-pogues the tossers are nowehere near on that level, either, come to think of it. and i don't know if i've ever heard flogging molly, whose singer allegedly used to be in fastway. so take everything i say above about the tossers with a grain of salt in yer ale, mate. i may well decide that their album is dragged down by its faster songs, would be both a paradox and a bloody shame.) (by the way, does anybody remember, when the pogues first came out, that there were other bands emerging out of great britain reported in the brit music papers as doing something similar? one was called the boothill footstompers i think. another was maybe the boys from county hell, unless that was a pogues song...no...the MEN from, er...somewhere. never heard 'em myself.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Have been listening to the Rosanne Cash over the last short while and have been enjoying it a lot. But the beginning of "Like Fugitives" was bothering me for a while, and then I realized: It's Bryan Adams' "Run to You"!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

(okay shit, by "fast" tossers numbers i realize i'm just meaning the more "punk" and hence less "folk" ones. the folk cuts {esp those chieftans rips} are often just as fast as the punk cuts, but mainly they're just way more *nimble.* and there's really not enough nimbleness to recommend the album, though it's possible better production would've helped matters. so let's call it a halfway decent tribute album to the pogues, and be done with the thing.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ammended "breaking free" from *high school musical* opinion, via teenpop thread:

>(the most and maybe only country thing about "breaking free" might be gabrielle aka vanessa anne hudgens's vocal inflections as her intensity picks up. i'm guessing if anybody on here has a future, it's her.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"Tonight I clocked out early to meet my girlfriends for a beer," Miko Marks tells her hubbie or boyfriend in "Kickin' Back" (which does indeed kick, thanks to the kickdrum I think!); she's gonna spend the night dancing with every guy in the place. So: more girls-night-out country. And it turns out that Miko has a pretty rich voice after all. (I think who her singing reminds me of might be more Lorrie Morgan than Reba, though maybe richer than Lorrie. And I wouldn't be surprised if Lorrie was inspired some by r&b. She was defintely inspired by Sam Cooke descendent Steve Perry, whose "Faithfully" from Journey she covered well.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

does this belong on this thread or the metal thread (where it already is) or neither?: derek trucks band, *songlines*, reviewed well if with reservations in this morning's *times*, but so far to me the guitar playing mostly sounds as dull and stodgy as the singing, which is plenty. i actually thought i'd like this more. the high-register silliness of "crow jim" is maybe okay, i dunno. but mostly what's been happening is i've got the disc in my random CD changer, and whenever i hear a cool heavy boogified guitar part coming out, it's not derek but rather tea leaf green's "ride together" or rancid vat's "destroy nature" or keith anderson's "pickin wildflowers" instead. all of which, as far as i can see, rock derek into the ground. (keith anderson's album, which i'm just now finally hearing, is really good though; thanks edd! "stick it" is totally funky swamp rock, and its words are surprisingly dirty!!)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy am I a blabbermouth today. Anyway, it just occured to me that a couple of Tea Leaf Green's guitar climaxes come off as improvisations on the "Layla" theme, fine with me. (Do neo-hippies think of Derek and the Dominos as a seminal jam band?) (I also keep thinking of Tom Verlaine, but that's probably just because I've never listened to Jerry Garcia much.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha, "plan b" on keith anderson's album (one of the bottom 50 percent of his songs on there, yeti still like it) sounds exactly like "could've been me" by billy ray cyrus and is about the same thing as that song too (as in, his ex winds up getting married to another guy etc.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link

nickel creek is really smarmy, in their live sets, from the bootlegs (is that the word in the digital age?) ive heard--it makes me feel uncomfortable,

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Big show coming to the stadium next month: Brad Paisley, Sara Evans and Billy Currington. Paisley's had some hits I liked, I'm all into Sara Evans, & I don't really know Currington apart from Shania. Is this thing worth ****$37.50**** to attend?

brianiast (briania), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

not a bad price for a show like that. Currington's pretty commercial and insubstantial by my lights, but Paisley and Evans are two of the best people playing country right now.

listening to Scott Miller's "Citation" (that's a car which he borrows in the title song and in which he screws his girlfriend he's amazed he has). produced by Jim Dickinson, who has a real genius for recording drums, seems to me. so, sorta Earle-Cougar with more eccentric kick to it, probably belongs on this thread. definitely something like "Freedom's a Stranger" is "country music" or at least folkie country. touches of Mekons creep-oid guitar overlay in "Only Everything," and drums far more tribal and loose than anything attempted in Nashville (well, maybe Mark Nevers does it sometimes). I'm not especially big on Earle-Cougar heartland explorations of youth and age and all that--I have my moments with it and actually like Cougar better than Earle--but this is pretty good, esp. the blues-stomp "8 Miles a Gallon." "Cracker with a truck-stop whore," "invent a big engine, make it run on bullshit," you get the idea, I hope. somewhere in the Todd Snider territory, too. needs and deserves more listens but I like this guy, and sorry I missed his previous stuff. I think he's from Knoxville.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.fatcowboy.co.uk/_frn/video/M4V10001.MP4

Discuss.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

New Rosanne Cash album seemed perfectly, um, bearable for the first six tracks or so (which, hey, is more than I can say for her dad's last few albums). "Burn Down This Town" even has a beat! The rest (and actually, that song too) is stately, I suppose. I don't begrudge anybody who recently had a death in their family being moved by this record. But once it hits the halfway mark, it really starts to drag.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Most interesting things I learned in the new issue of *CMA Closeup*:

-- There is a female country singer named "Bomshel" (as in bombshell, apparently) who has a debut album coming out on Curb this year.

--Bluegrass band Cherryholmes, who I think I may have heard once and was bored by, have one guy in overalls with a ZZ Top beard who looks like an insane biker that could be the kentucky headhunters' grandpa.

-- Also, there is a photo of Big & Rich jumping on a bed together.

(among other things).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

*Radio On* Style:

Willie Nelson, "Cowboys Are Frequently (Secretly Fond of Each Other)": Not as good as Ned Sublette's track on *New York Noise Vol. 2* (Soul Jazz, 2006). Also, not as good as anything on my favorite Willie Nelson album *Night and Day* (Free Falls Entertainment, 1999), which has no singing on it, interestingly enough. Disappointing. The way Willie says "fuck" is even clunkier than the rest of it. (6.5.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

did we ever talk about trisha yearwood's jasper county last year? coz i'm just now getting real into it. the opening track is insane good, tho i wish it didn't get all big-chorusey.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i wrote something on the two queer willie songs, they are better then they have any right to be, and i think that they continue/solve some of the questions he brought up with the red headed stranger album

Anthony Easton, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

nickel creek is really smarmy, in their live sets, from the bootlegs (is that the word in the digital age?) ive heard--it makes me feel uncomfortable,

I'm surprised to hear this Anthony - I've seen NC live three times now, and they're one of the best live acts I've had the pleasure of experiencing. Maybe that's changed in the past year, but their shows have always been sincere, exhuberant and a real artist-audience connection moment. Venues were great - Borderline, Academy Islington, Union Chapel (rip). Nothing smarmy IMHO, in fact, when they break out the acoustic finale section I'm always stunned into blissful silence and remember why the hell I bother with music at all.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

anthony, can you link to your gay-willie-songs reviews? i'm totally stumped about what anybody would hear in that sublette cover, beyond the mere fact of its existence (which fact i'm obviously happy about, don't get me wrong. the world is undoubtedly a better place now. but the single really ain't so hot. willie just doesn't put the song over, and hearing it, i'm not so sure the song's so good its ownself.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, I have your Nelson piece and I need to look at it this afternoon. I skimmed it, and it seems really good. I'll e-mail you later tonight. I only know Sublette from his Latin-music writing--his Cuba book is magnificent.

Chuck, your take on Roseanne is the first dissenting view I've seen--everything I'm aware of has been laudatory. I haven't even heard it yet myself. Just sitting down with Marshall Chapman this evening, for real--had it on in the background a couple days ago and got involved in something else. However, I did snag a copy of her autobio "Goodbye Little Rock and Roller" from her publicist Tamara Saviano, who also got me a copy of the new Radney Foster--I've always kinda liked his work--and the "Rednecks and Bluenecks" book, in which Saviano plays a part: she was operations manager at the Great American Country cable channel, CMT's competition, and ran afoul of some right-wing attitudes re Charlie Daniels' "Open Letter to the Hollywood Bunch." She got the Daniels piece from a publicist, and she asked him to take her off that e-mail list, and then fired off a response to the publicist suggesting that perhaps Charlie might be due a boycott himself (this was around the time of the flap over Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks). anyway, she got fired, since although technically the email wasn't a company thing, it did have her company signature at bottom. now she runs a little media/publicity company on Music Row, very nice person. and obviously, a Democrat. she won a Grammy for the Stephen Foster tribute CD "Beautiful Dreamer."

anyway, "Rednecks" is a good look at the politics of Nashville--superior journalism. and Marshall's book I've scanned, but it's funny, elegant, affecting, so far. looking forward to relaxing with "Mellowicious" tonight...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

it hasnt been published chuck, just emailed to edd, but if you want a copy of it, i could arrange an email--i have been avoiding lately, just worried ive been annoying and laying off a bit.

has anyone heard battlestar america--they call themselves hick hop, and politically interesting (ie left), and aside from geography seem pretty standard hip hop, but they have flow, and the musics tight--mp3s here: http://www.b-star.net/what_we_do.html

Anthony Easton, Thursday, 23 February 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

No rush, Anthony -- I'll see it when it's published, I'm sure!

I've got the Battlestar America CD around here somewhere; impressed me not at all when I played it last year, but I'll try to try again.

Now listening to Brityn Lotz, *Straight Ahead* 2005 self-released/cdbaby-distributed pop-soul-country from Louisiana, a solid ten songs including good-enough covers of "I Feel the Earth Move" and "Knock on Wood," though the two best and most rocking tracks are clearly "Back to Lafeyette" (I swear I like pretty much any song that mentions "the Ponchatrain" and I STILL think it's a hotel in Detroit) and "One Eighty" (about a a lady having a midlife crisis and pulling a 180, lots of specifics therein). I also enjoy the early '80s MTV semitechnopop production of "Lightly" (about angels, yet it doesn't make me gag at all) and the talked part at the end of "I Don't Play That Game." Good album, not remotely shy about incorportating r&b.

>Chuck, your take on Roseanne is the first dissenting view I've seen--everything I'm aware of has been laudatory. <

Yeah well, not to cynical, Edd, but it's a *concept album (at least ostensibly) about Johnny Cash (and other country hall of famers in her family) dying.* "Laudatory" is kind of a foregone conclusion, isn't it? With that concept, she could've released a blank CD, and every country critic in the world would have gotten down on their knees and sung hosannas. (And the ones who don't give a shit won't review it anyway, right?) The album's okay -- not as dire and dreary as some stuff I've heard by Rosanne in the past two decades, which is an accomplishement, given the concept. But she was way better in 1981.

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, honestly, even beyond the concept, when *hasn't* rosanne cash gotten a free ride from critics?)

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Playing Battlestar's *Above Market Value* (did they change their name to Battlestar America later? This CD says 2002) and not only is it really not very hip-hop, it's really not very country either. Sounds like mid '90s modern rock, mainly. Can't decide whether it's more like Cake or Primitive Radio Gods or G. Love and Special Sauce, but it's somewhere in there. I guess "Ain't Yet" borderline-resembles A3 (of *Sopranos* theme fame) if A3 were shitty (they weren't -- they were really good, especially on the first album; everybody owes it to himself to hear "U Don't Dance 2 Tekno Anymore"). Funkless rapping, funkless beats, typical Brooklyn country for hipsters who hate country. Though it may be possible their more recent stuff is better.

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Pinmonkey, *Big Shiny Cars*: Not sure I'm really getting this one, Edd. It's okay I guess: Powerpop-without-any-power-or-enough-pop (as in Big Star) alt-country, Old 97s style, except without Old 97s hooks and probably without their songwriting skills. Purty singing, which is nice, and I like when the lead guy's voice drops into that Joe Ely low register. But I wish there were more basketweaving string-band passages like the one at start of "Mountain Song," to put more music in the music. Palatable, but why would this stuff excite anybody?

Birdie Bush seems more interesting to me. I need to take her home and put her in my CD changer with the new album by Espers, and figure out which (if any) has more Fairport Convention pastoral gorgeousness. (They're both from Philly, right? Where phreak pholk lives, I guess.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

glamorous bertha payne, *bedroom offer* EP: southern country soul millie jackson style (i.e., as many parts talked as sung, many of 'em bawdy), from memphis, via cdbaby.com. starts with a good riddance song where glamorous bertha (who on the cd cover is a big girl in her red dress with a red glass of wine) tells you "i don't need your face in my face" so "go away like a bad day" and "you might as well pack your rags." then the title track, which is not about her bedroom offer to him but the other way around, which offer she says isn't enough and the two backup singers (favorite artists: denise laselle, mary j blige) chorus "bang! bang!" but by song's end glamorous bertha is saying "i need a man who will love me all night long. are you qualified? if not, get off the pot!" then one where she promises to shake it and break it (and maybe hang it on the wall) and she tells "all you womens with big elephant ears" that with her man every day is pay day. then supposedly "part two" of the same song, which means same slinky rhythm track as part one but now with sexy breathy pillow talk all over the top where bertha tells you to lift up her skirt. then finally another good riddance song, this one a tough and funky blues, where he leaves her with a sink full of dishes in a "one-room [some word i can't make out]", hence the best dishwashing song since ray parker jr's "bad boy" if not anita ward's "ring my bell." also she brings him food in bed, which means this might also be a breakfast breakup song in the tradition of the 5th dimension's "one less bell to answer" and karyn white's "superwoman." five songs total, but two around 4:00, three around 4:25, which means glamorous bertha takes her time and surely deserves a lover with a slow hand.

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard a lot of the contenders (e.g., Tommy Thompson alb that was just reviewed in the NY Times), but the greatest Fairport Convention Celtic drone-rock I've heard from the '00s is the verse to Aly & AJ's "Rush," which may well end up as my single of the year, though for the scintillating wailing harmonies in the chorus even more than for the folk-drone buildup. It's getting no airplay anywhere but on Radio Disney, where you hear it every couple of hours.

By the way, for aficionados of the white-black conversation that Simon Reynolds thinks barely exists right now, "Rush" starts its drone w/ hip-hop/r&b beats accompanying it, but then shifts to rock beats for the rest of the song.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

"Wild Frontier" is another real good track on the Brityn Lotz album, very expansive, totally gets the wild frontier in its sound not to mention its great metaphor: She was his lonesome prairie, he was her wild frontier. Somehow they start out harvesting peaches and he winds up dead, and there's a long story in between, not all of it stated. Also, "One Eighty" is a loud boogie woogie and involves a 40 year old who gets a bouffant and go go boots and a new boyrfiend half of her age. And "Lightly" starts off late for 6:00 plans when it's 5:59 and somebody scraped up the side or her car after work, what a jerk. Which is way better than when the angels come in, but I don't mind.

Plus Bertha Payne telling that guy to get off the pot obviously also connects to whatever Millie Jackson LP pictured her on the toilet.

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rush" is a 2005 song to my daughter and her friends, Frank!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I have got to hear Payne.

Yeah, Chuck, Pinmonkey is pretty blah. I probably always give too much of a free ride to those kind of powerpoppy things, but altho "Big Shiny" is certainly nice and I quite like two or three songs, they have nothing to say. I just filed a Nash Scene piece on them, and so I have listened to their
'02 Paul Worley record and the new one a lot. I can't discern any real difference. just formalists--shit, they can't even work up enuff anger in the song about not getting a good table to make it sound real. one of those records that sounds good until you listen close, then it still sounds good but why bother. they're Poco--in fact, they're doing a show here with Poco soon. "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do" does what Pinmonkey tries to do with much more power and commercial savvy, as does the best stuff on Dierks' last 'un. they need to find something to sing about, Pinmonkey does--like beer and trucks and stuff.

and Chuck, glad you're diggin' the Keith Anderson record. I still find some of it under- or badly sung, and that pederast-Jesus song still makes me gag, but it's grown on me over the last few months--esp. "Plan B," which I think you mentioned above.

and in total agreement about Roseanne Cash--she was far better twenty-five years ago. finally heard a few tracks from the new one, and I don't get the critical love--absolutely she's always gotten a free ride from critics. give me the feisty Carlene Carter any day.

and I finished the "Rednecks and Bluenecks" book. I recommend. the chapter on the history of country in wartime and election time, "Town & Country, Jungle & Trench," is great. Dave Dudley's '66 "Talkin' Vietnam Blues" and Harlan Howard's '68 album "To the Silent Majority, With Love," which contains the awesome lines: "They're needing you boy and you're sitting in your coffeehouse/Whatcha gonna do when your woman begs you save her from a mouse?" the fabled Nashville songwriting at its most trenchant.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

>pederast-Jesus song <

yikes! which track is this, edd?? guess i need to listen closer...

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

teddy thompson, im worried hell be to polite, but ill listen

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link

xp Chuck, the pederast-Jesus song is "The Clothes Don't Make the Man," which is about a priest who is in prison for molesting children--the priest is a few cells down from Keith's *brother*. and then Keith brings in the example of Jesus as a guy whose clothes don't make him, right? so no, it ain't about Jesus as a pederast--I believe I cited this song in my review of Anderson last year in the Voice, too. let's say Jesus and a pederast *inhabit* the same song...

anyone--suggest for me some Gene Watson. Old Gene Watson, I've heard his latest one. I was in Robert's Western World on Lower Broad last night having a beer and heard a really good band play some old Gene Watson tunes--"14-Carat Heart," I think one was called. I need to investigate him further, I think.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

edd could you ysi or email clothes dont make the man i think it would be worth a listen

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

nice short piece on gay rodeos (and the national gay rodeo association, apparently based in arizona or was it new mexico i forget already) in today's NY times friday escapes section (which is always more fun than their damn sunday travel section for rich people)

kayla locicero, *beautiful world*, cdbaby teen-country from small-town louisiana. opens with its most interesting track, the part (sort-of)-rapped title cut, which starts with (literally) a giggle from kayla and from there is about her neighbors, one of whom is chinese and says kayla talks funny since she's from louisiana, and another of whom is jamaican and is learning english by listening to country radio in the cab he drives all night, plus another line rhymes "ph.D." with "aborigone" though i can't figure out why. later on kayla says "que pasa" and "por favor", so it's sweet if kinda condescending in its we-are-the-world-we-are-the-childen way. more evidence that either kayla or her songwriters might be liberal are the two rock songs about rebel girls: (1) "outside the lines", based on a glam-rock-i-guess riff (reminds me of the kings, though more likely swiped from the hollies or t.rex) and about a girl who "colors outside the lines, just a little to the left," but never really says how so maybe she's just bad with crayons and (2) "she's ready for a revolution," which naturally never specifies what the revolution consists of but its riff comes straight outta john cougar's "small town" all through so who cares. then there's a couple pretty good songs ("bobbi rae" and "what she wants") about apparently working women searching for meaning in their lives, which i THINK turns out to be finding a husband and a nuclear family in both though i'm not completely sure. then there's another MAYBE liberal one called "a little good news" which sounds kinda familiar (and yep, i just checked AMG, i must've heard the anne murray version before though br-459 did it too) where an anchorman says this war is wrong and people say the economy is bad and getting worse and there needs to be a change in policy so we need to start hearing all the good news about bad stuff that DIDN'T happen today, you know (but hey it beats the news song on terri clark's last album). and then there are sundry bluegrass-ish duets and mush-ish ballads including at least one song ("a brave new world") that i'm guessing concerns being born again and a weird one called "the halls of st. jude" that i didn't figure out yet (isn't he the patron saint of lost causes or something?) and one sappy thing ("it comes from you") that i really hate and one sappy song about how she loves her daddy (paper heart) that i hated at first but second time through it choked me up a little, hey gimme a break, i'm a dad too you know. spirited singing and hooks throughout.

xhuxk, Friday, 24 February 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, how do I start the campaign to encourage enough downloads of "Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly" to send the song into the Top 40?

-- Joseph McCombs (jmccomb...), February 14th, 2006.

YAY! Willie debuted this week at #52 on the Hot 100! He's not charting country and I doubt he will, but I'm as giddy as Clay Aiken at White Party right now. Glad to see that someone else who colors outside the lines and a LOT to the left is getting rewarded for his efforts.

Joe McCombs, posting from SF, Friday, 24 February 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i worked for the IGRA in alberta a summer a few years ago, at the event during adn just after the stampede...the stories so far have been sort of isnt this cute novelty peices, but the men and women i knew there were the nicest folks, and their emerging presence in national events (ie as a feeder event for some of the larger, non queer, rodeos in texas for example) and fords boycott of glbtq adverstising was a geniune danger to them.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 25 February 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the first person to discuss Jessi Colter's new album, and how it really does sound a lot like mid-period country rock Rolling Stones for a while before it goes all wobbly with a piano ballad about the phoenix rising from the ashes, and how it's got both Shooter and Waylon on it? Well, then: Let The Discussion Begin.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 25 February 2006 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i liked jessi's album the one time i listened to it, and the stones comparison is not entirely inaccurate. i need to play it more. don, a big fan, disccused it upthread i believe.

thumbs down on birdie bush. basically devoid of energy, and not as pretty as it should be.

xhuxk, Saturday, 25 February 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry for not noticing Don's comments, probably because this thread is 1,000,000 posts long and it's not even march yet OMG.

New Garrison Starr: still folkie-indie-country, but weirder than her last one, which is a good thing.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 25 February 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

New Espers CD is definitely pretty as it should be, and definitely Fairport Convention folk-drone, but not really with songs, and not really country. Belongs more on the psychedelic drone thread, but that thread's a bore. I never heard their first one (assuming this is their second), but they don't really seem like a band you'd need more than one CD by anyway.

xhuxk, Saturday, 25 February 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

(and there's something amusing and maybe even audacious and Espers opening their album with "Variation on a Guitar Progression out of 'Stairway to Heaven,'" except they call it "Dead Queen" instead.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 25 February 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

3/4s of the way thru bluenecks and rednecks, highly recommended, mostly in how complicate nashvilles politics are, wish more time was spent on tim mcgraw, and less on the history of war songs, and wish it came with a value added cd, like rose and the briar...really great line about how even John Birchers and Neo STalinists claim haggard and johnny, which i think says something about them as people, and mentions in a really fascinating way, the obsession that most critics seem to have, about the hippies and the rednecks, in the 70s, and how that doesnt work anymore...

shedaisy has recorded two versions of american housewife, i think--since the soundtrack that it first appeared on said american, and the video up north here says canadian--is this interesting.

whats the jessi colter called?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 26 February 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

> the obsession that most critics seem to have, about the hippies and the rednecks, in the 70s, and how that doesnt work anymore...<

anthony, you rank with the most cryptic people on earth. how *what* doesn't work anymore? (plenty of hippies were rednecks in the '70s, right? or was that your point?)

also, you mean in canada the shedaisy song is called "canadian housewife"? that's wacky!

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i really dont mean to be cryptic, im sorry.

there is nostalgia i have noticed recently in criticism, for this 70s nostalgia, where rednecks and hippies would hang out--and the sadness that doesnt happen anymore, which i think is interesting.

that is what i mean.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 26 February 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

going back to this idea, of the 70s as a utopia, where progressives and christians mingle together--was this even accurate, i am too young to remember?

and is it a way for liberals, to allow themselves to like country--is there an elitest foregrounding of this kind of music (ie the talk here of willie, bobby bare, jessi colter, etc) instead of more conserative voices?

or am i talking out of my ass?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 26 February 2006 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I see a few mentions of Shannon Brown but no real discussion of her album, which is way better than I ever imagined considering "Corn Fed" didn't exactly blow me away as a single (maybe I was just burnt out on songs about the sticks at the time - "Hillbillies," "Podunk," "Hicktown" etc).

Anyway, it's a great, dynamic CD, produced by John Rich, with several of the songs co-written by Rich and Vicky McGehee (though Shannon gets co-credit for several herself). Like Gretchen she's much less comfortable with ballads than up-tempo stuff at this point - "Turn to Me" is pretty compelling but "Something Good" is kinda bleh and there's the redundant presence of "Why" which was on Jason Aldean's record from last year (and a minor hit too I think).

The party songs are clearly the best though, the very "All Jacked Up"-sounding "I Love 'Em All," the conceptually brilliant and blasphemous "High Horses" where she pledges allegiance to Sheryl Crow over Dolly Parton, and especially "Good Ole Days" which has a killer Zep-disco breakdown in the middle.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, and I picked up Rednecks and Bluenecks last night at Barnes & Noble and read the first 30 pages or so - v. good stuff that just confirms some of the things I've been feeling lately, which were reiterated in another great book I just finished recently, don't know if anyone else here as read it, called Sunday Money, about NASCAR. I share with both authors (and I know it's not a novel idea but just one I've been really considering lately) the sense of how the Democratic Party has completely lost its connection to working-class people, to Southerners and Midwesterners and the people who listen to country music and follow NASCAR. that until the Dems shed this label of snooty uppercrust elitism they don't stand a chance of becoming a viable presence in American politics anytime soon.

the guy who wrote Sunday Money, Jeff MacGregor, spelled this out explicitly in a great piece on Salon last week, about how the Dems needed not only to court the NASCAR fanbase but maybe also needed an infusion of some of that populist larger-than-life spirit. of course, a healthy number of the commenters called him an idiot and continued to assert that the Dems shouldn't cater to a bunch of redneck trash.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

xp: you should have checked last year's thread, Josh!

re Shannon Brown (xp):
(The first few songs of whose album sound really really good by the way. An "Okee From Muskogee" update about how we don't lock our doors and nobody burns flags on the courthouse lawn and there's only country stations out here and we don't keep anybody who lives out here out whatever the heck that means, a funkier one about she's a little woman who needs a big man not a mack-daddy pimp like you {I think she answers somebody who calls her a "ho" in it, too}, a song about people are wrong to say Garth and Shania aren't country 'cause that's what they used to say about Johnny Cash but she likes Steve Miller and Sheryl Crow and Kid Rock too and isn't it great how Kenny Chesney's laughing all the way to the bank so why don't we all get along -- all rocking country with fiddles in the groove, and yeah, lots of dumbass pandering in the words but what else is new? Now I'm on "Can I Get an Amen" which sounds EXACTLY like some big '70s rock song -- "Listen to the Music" by the Doobie Brothers, maybe? Then it turns into something by BTO, I think, "Roll On Down the Highway," maybe?; whatever it is, it definitely outrocks the Doobie Brothers, and then it winds down to more fiddles then handclap gospel acapella.)

--xhuxk, (xedd,,), November 23, 2005

(Fiddle break in Shannon Brown's "Corn Fed" quotes Black Dog riff...
-- Sang Freud (jstrell...), November 24th, 2005.

"Good Ole Days" (track #8 on the Shannon Brown album) = the most over-the-top 1979 disco on any country album, maybe ever (or at least since, like, 1980 or so).
-- xhuxk (xedd...), November 24th, 2005.

> over-the-top 1979 disco<
Or 1976 disco. Or somewhere in there. (Do your own callibrations at will.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), November 25th, 2005.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

also:

Shannon Brown, "Corn Fed." A good solid "Gloria"/"Sister Ray"–three-chorder, lite style, though marred by the usual lying xenophobic, chauvinist lyrics about the innocence and safety of the rural heartland. Someone should prevail upon Shannon to record "Sister Ray," or Shooter's "Daddy's Farm," or that Darryl Worley song from a couple years back about the heartland drug town.
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 27th, 2005.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

damn, I'm three months behind y'all's curve (though technically still a few days ahead of THE curve since the album doesn't come out 'til next week).

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a decent piece on Jessi in the current No Depression. she's still pretty good-lookin', too.

one of the points that Willman makes in "Rednecks & Bluenecks," Anthony, is that the '70s Outlaw movement was perhaps the last time in Nashville that country music and "liberalism" really joined hands. one of the virtues of this book, if you ask me, is the way he presents a lot of different viewpoints, so you come away feeling, as I think you should, not so damned sure of yourself when you think about someone like Garth Brooks. if you think as I do, you like a lot of Garth's music but dislike his image, like the way he took on Nashville's power brokers but dislike the obsession and confusion about what to do with that power. I can't say this or repeat it enough, and some of you have heard me say this before so forgive me, but what happens in Nashville is uniquely deforming of the process of making and marketing and thinking about music. the city itself is exploding--becoming a world-class town, finally, the only southern city to compete with Atlanta in that regard. when I moved away in 1991, it was still pretty relaxed and you could get from east Nashville to Belle Meade in twenty minutes. no more of that. and as my pal Marky St. James pointed out last night, Nashville's full of people like the Swedish guitar-teacher-virtuoso-ph.D. who got on a plane to come live here and play Telecaster--it's what New York and L.A. have been in the past, as music center (altho NYC will always be the capital of jazz in the world...) I think someone's gonna come along here and do something as big as what Garth did, in perhaps a different area of "country music," seems inevitable to me...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

i really need to read the Willman book. Almost bought it back in November, and decided to ask for a copy of Xmas instead, but no dice. That NASCAR book sounds really interesting, too -- Last fall, the Times Book Review ran a really good NASCAR essay, revolving around two new books on the subject, but as usual I never got around to getting ahold of copies.

>what happens in Nashville is uniquely deforming of the process of making and marketing and thinking about music<

Not sure I get what you're saying here, Edd; how is it more deforming etc than the rest of the music biz (including indie labels, for that matter)? Assuming the biz is deforming at all, which I'm not entirely convinced about (although there's plenty of evidence to the contrary in the book I HAVE been reading -- Jen Trynin's *Everything I'm Cracked Up to Me,* which is hilarious and I highly recommend, and I say that as somebody with very little use of '90s alt-rock and very little time to read books about music, especially rock biographys. I wonder if the Commander Cody or Babes in Toyland books were this good). Most evidence I've seen in the past couple years suggests that Nashville has a pretty good knack for leaving great music intact, or at least no less a knack than anybody else has. Though maybe that's beside your point; I'm really not sure. (Also not sure what it is about Garth's image you dislike, unless you just mean his larger than life hubris, which at this point seems sillier and sillier as he proves not nearly as big as he used to be or he thought he was, in which case your dislike makes perfect sense. Plus, I just remembered that I've still yet to get around to playing his new CD, so, uh, maybe I hate what he stands for, too.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

>obsession and confusion about what to do with that power. <

actually, i guess you do kind of explain what bothers you about Garth here...

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I just re-listened to Garth's "The Hits" and holy crap is about 3/4 of that record just amazingly wonderful.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

>evidence to the contrary<

= evidence that the biz IS deforming (which I usually assume it isn't, really, all that much.) On other other hand, as charming as Trynin is, she often sounds like she's just whining. And I'm still stumped why bizzers ever figured she'd be big in the first place. But maybe it's just that I've always noticed so much great music coming out of the biz *despite* its machinations that I just assume those machinations are, in the long run, basically inept.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(and I say all that as somebody whose current listening is, as this thread suggests, fairly well dominated by cdbaby.com acts who the biz {again, meaning indie labels as well as major labels} completely ignores. so right, i'm contradicting myself all over the place.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

edd

yeah, the book does that, very well, its deconstructive in a way that is genorous in its critique...but i do think there is something about making the outlaw/hippie powwow much larger then it really was.

how much of it charted, for example, and how well it charted (i think, and i may be wrong, and i have been wrong, the only song that charted is the redneck/hippie romance tune by bobby bare, and that didnt break the top 50)

the only problem i had with the entire book, in fact, and its a meme that has been annoying me in general, adn it was really kind of underplayed in the book anyways

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess my prejudice (I wouldn't really know how to test it) is that when indies have a chance to hit big, this is not only better for the mainstream - makes it more flexible - but better for the indies, since it makes them more insular, less stuck on playing only to a specialty audience. (But I have little understanding of the biz, and almost none of the country music biz.

My other prejudice is that when middle budget product disappears (you either have things with a lot of money and advertising and cross marketing behind it, or things with very little), that this isn't good. (But I'm thinking of movies here, not so sure how to apply it to records.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

makes them more insular

should be "makes them LESS insular"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rush" is a 2005 song to my daughter and her friends, Frank!

Yeah, well that's because little girls constitute the sociocultural vanguard. Followers and fellow travelers like me are always playing catchup. I was in 1966, and I still am. (But the "Rush" video wasn't until this year, and that automatically qualifies the song for 2006.)

the greatest Fairport Convention Celtic drone-rock I've heard from the '00s is the verse to Aly & AJ's "Rush"

My use of "Celtic" - probably anyone's use of "Celtic" in regard to music - is probably wrong here, since I doubt very much that Celtic origins have anything to do with why the music sounds the way it does. But my ideas here are based completely on what I remember from Peter van der Merwe's brief discussion of the origins of modern European music, which I read several years ago. Van der Merwe's idea (he presented it as if this was the standard belief among music historians, which it may well be) was that European music 1,000 years ago had basically derived from the Middle East, but that it was subsequently supplanted in urban centers by the do-re-mi scale, which then spread to most of the continental countryside but didn't spread to rural Britain and Ireland. So rural Irish, Scottish, Welsh music didn't sound the way it did because it was Celtic, but just because it was rural, and if you were rural and Anglo-Saxon your music would sound like that too.

And what's interesting here is that some similarities between Northern and Western African music and Scots-Irish music aren't just coincidence, but because those musics have at least some elements that originated in the Middle East. When those musics started running up against each other in the U.S. South, there were natural affinities already there.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm, not sure if I'm clear above. My point isn't that "Rush" in particular isn't Celtic, but that no music is Celtic, incl. Fairport Convention. But as shorthand for a particular sound, I suppose "Celtic" will have to do.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Finally heard last year's Sheryl Crow album. She now sounds as thin as she looks, which I suppose is deliberate but it's a terrible choice. Ethereal, all sass is gone, leaving not much of anything. There are three good songs, especially "Chances Are," where the thin voice intermingles effectively with a guitar drone. Her lyrics now waft vaguely in the direction of something or other, or something. "Swimming through the saline, I looked at you and you breathed in. That's the way it's always been. It all comes down to creating time. You don't always have to make it right. We'll all drive by in our hybrid lives." I wouldn't say she was ever an intellectual, and she seemed inordinately proud of her sex, rock, and dysfunctional relationships persona, old songs like "My Favorite Mistake," "Difficult Kind," etc. were riveting, both musically and lyrically ("If you could only see/What love has made of me/Then I would no longer be in your mind/The difficult kind/'Cause babe I've changed." But I didn't believe it for a second. But I guess she has changed now, made herself negligible, or happy, or something. I wish she'd change back.)

John Shanks produced and played on about half of the songs, but didn't write any of them, and his half aren't any better than the other. He ought to be forbidden to work with any performer older than 25 years, since they dull him out.

(Shanks had nothing to do with that great AJ & Aly song, but it follows a pattern that he and Michelle Branch created in 2001.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for the arabic/irish/north african work. frank, ive been trying to figure it out in my head, and it hadnt clicked.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link

>making the outlaw/hippie powwow much larger then it really was...how much of it charted, for example, and how well it charted (i think, and i may be wrong, and i have been wrong, the only song that charted is the redneck/hippie romance tune by bobby bare,<

er, didn't willie nelson have a hit or two? (and commader cody, and asleep at the wheel, and lots of others any of us could name if we took the time, not to mention "longhaired redneck" by david allen coe and "longhaired country boy" by charlie daniels, and a whole bunch of southern rock bands?) or am i totally missing the point about the powwow in question?

xhuxk, Monday, 27 February 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

no im thinking out loud, were they huge hits? the ones youve mentioned, and what happened to it, if they were

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, questions about the 70s in country music, answer if you want, but its mostly to be clear about what im asking...maybe there is an essay here

how long did the outlaw movement last, from when to when
who were t he outlaws
how long did the countrypolitan movement last, from when to when
who were the countrypolitian

how large, in terms of sales were outlaw
how large in terms of sales were countrypolitan
how large in terms of radio play were outlaw
how large in terms of radio play were countrypolitan
ditto for concert revenue, and media concentration

how much of a cross over (songwriters, perormers, etc) were between various kinds of country music,

how does the folk revival impact these numbers irt the hippie qoutient.

why, amongst certain cultural critics, has the outlaw movement become such a peice of nostalgia.
is there an equal amount of nostalgia amongst current nashville perfomers (ie Paisley or Keith) (Rednecks and Bluenecks hints at the Keith connections, but rarely mentions Paisley, who I think may be a key to this)

how legitmate is the idea that outlaw country worked in musical and geographic oppostion to music row (ie Austin vs Nashville)

how does Johnny Cash fit into all of this?

What about Bakersfield.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

and how direct is the line b/w outlaw, and alt country

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xp" wait, you mean on the pop charts?? or country charts? or on rock stations? what counts as a huge hit in your book, anthony? because, yeah, a lot of this stuff and the allman brothers were pretty tough to ignore (hell, the ozark mountain daredevils' "jackie blue" went #3 pop!); i guess i'm missing how this wouldn't be completely obvious.

when i went to new-student orientation for the university of missouri before my sophomore college year 1979, i asked some kids i met what kinda music they liked, and they said "progressive country," which i *think* mainly meant outlaw music and southern rock. i wonder if that genre name was ever commonly used, and if so where, and for how long.


>how direct is the line b/w outlaw, and alt country <

Didn't we talk about this for a while on that No Depression thread?

xhuxk, Monday, 27 February 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

>how legitmate is the idea that outlaw country worked in musical and geographic oppostion to music row<

This is actually a really good question, though, I think. I kind of get the idea that the "opposition" might be more myth than reality.

xhuxk, Monday, 27 February 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

search "outlaw" here, anthony - there's a lot there, i think:

No Depression Top 40 of 2005

xhuxk, Monday, 27 February 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i think its a lot more obvious to folks yr age, then folks my age chuck. im a good 20 years younger then you.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

ever been to a show where people yelled for "free bird"? (just asking.) (though i guess it's possible skynyrd don't count as hippie rednecks. i'm still not sure what the definition is supposed to be.)

xhuxk, Monday, 27 February 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Apropos of nothing, really: at the Klezmatics show last week someone yelled for "Smoke on the Water" and Frank London said "We're more of an 'In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida' sort of band," but then they didn't play either one, dammit.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

If they were Brave Combo (who I've never really liked much as much as I wish I did) they *would* have done "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida." As a polka!

xhuxk, Monday, 27 February 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck but I haven't had any time to keep up with this great thread. I don't know how you all do it. Maybe I'll have time to post after I finish a few projects this week.

Dunno if it's on the racks yet, but the new No Depression features Edd's fine speculative essay on pop and country, so don't miss it. (The title, which I assume wasn't the author's idea, is kinda huh?) Also David Cantwell on a bunch of Haggard two-fers. However, Don McLeese, who I like and respect, is just wrong about the new Van Morrison.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Been listening more to Lee Roy Parnell's *Back to the Well,* which I mentioned earlier (maybe toward the end of the '05 thread) in passing, but which finally comes out, I believe, today. So maybe now other people can help me with it. For one thing, I have no memory of Lee Roy's earlier stuff -- I gather he apparently had some actual country hits in the early '90s (unless I misheard somebody), which enables me to listen to this new album as a T. Graham Brown album more than a John Hiatt album, which helps. (Why am I always giving John Hiatt shit? Why is he always my poster boy for "boring old white guys trying to be soulful and coming out sounding really oily?" I honestly don't hate him! Or at least I didn't hate his new wave era stuff, up to 1983 or so. So it is unfair, but he just the best example I can think of.) Anyway, the soul-country stuff (ie Something Out of Nothing, Breaking the Chain, Just Lucky That Way) on the Parnell album is good, but the Van Morrison (usually circa 1978/79 Wavelength/Into the Music I guess -- which is to say: catchy!) sounding stuff (Old Soul -- see also Lil Wayne!, Daddies and Daughters which has very Catholic lyrics mentioning Mary Full of Grace
but like all daddies and daughters songs is pretty mushy anyway, That's All There Is with guitar I can't decide whether it's slide or slack key, Saving Grace) is even better, not to mention better than Van's own boring new "country" album. (If and when Parnell had country hits, has he always done Van-ish type stuff? Or soul stuff in general? What did his hits sound like? Because NOTHING on this record is MORE country than soul or blues, that's clear to me. Did he change? Either way, how come nobody talks about him?) Best of all are maybe the two tracks that verge toward jazz fusion -- the gambler's funk anthem You Can't Lose Them All, hooked on a really cool chord change, and maybe (or maybe not...okay, probably not one of the best tracks but I still really like it) the instrumental closer Cool Breeze. And really the whole album is sort of a cool breeze--no, more like a WARM breeze, but with some quiet storm in it the soul-country cuts, especially Something Out of Nothing. Only track, oddly enough, that sounds really heavy handed and STODGY in the pool-hall/beer-commercial (damn I always overuse THOSE metaphors, too; they're even tireder than using John Hiatt!) sense, is the opening and title track Back to the Well, which gets kinda minstrely in both its blues vocal affectations and its gospel backup, though the boogieing rhythm section does hold its own in it, I admit. As it also does elsewhere. Oddly, though, as much as I like the SOUND of this record, outside of You Can't Lose 'Em All, hardly any of it is hitting me as songs. I like the sound and feel of Lee Roy's voice a LOT, yet I'm not sure he's putting the songs over. Maybe 'cause the words are so pat and boilerplate and heard-it-before? Maybe. Though they don't bug me, all the same. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking. What about everybody else?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops, I think the release date is actually TOMORROW, March 1. (I switched over my wall calendar already; I guess that's what confused me.) And I left out "Don't Water It Down," which actually funks and rolls and boogies better than the opening track, sounds like to me.

Roy: So did McLeese like the Van Morrison album? Do you? And if so, why? Struck me as a pointless snoozefest; did I miss something?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Don loves the new Van--pretty much everything about it. I don't. The arrangements feel pro forma and Van both over and under sings badly. There's also very little country soul on the record, which may be the point, since he's already proven a master of that. But whatever the point was, beyond some dumb Van-celebrates-country-music-history, I don't feel it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got pretty mixed feelings about the new Jessi Colter album, I've decided. It cooks for the first few tracks, through track four maybe (the climax of track #3 "Starman" rocks the most I think; "You Can Pick 'Em" and "The Phoenix Rises" are also good, though I'm not buying the Stones theory Matt posited above anymore, I don't think -- Sheryl Crow has done way more Stonesy stuff). But then, starting with the boring Waylon/Tony Joe White track, it gets pretty staid and a little stilted and very loungey and adult-contemporary, like Don Was wanted her to do something along the lines of Jack White's Loretta Lynn record, but without Jack's songs. I guess some of the swirling piano atmosphere is supposed to have some windmills of the *Dusty in Memphis* mind in it maybe? I dunno. Shooter should've helped her out on a a rocker not a ballad, though their track picks up OK musically when they both stop singing. Her voice is okay throughout, I suppose; no complaints. But I can't say it's especially grabbing me, either.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

suggest for me some Gene Watson. Old Gene Watson, I've heard his latest one

I haven't heard the old Gene Watson, but I think Gene Watson ...Sings, the album that came out a couple years ago, is far superior to the latest one: stronger songs, stronger lyrics that go from hilarious to heart-wrenching. His steady big-but-casual voice keeps everything on an even keel; much beauty in the singing, but not in a way that shouts "BEAUTY" at you. If his back catalog has enough good material, this guy may be a major artist who's been generally overlooked - possibly because his style isn't the type that's thought of as "major."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

This week's issue of Billboard says there's a collaboration album between a couple surviving Pantera guys (including Dimebag Darrell's drummer brother Big Vin) and David Allen Coe coming out in May. Given that Coe's collaborations with Kid Rock a couple years ago (I still have a demo EP of tracks around here somewhere) weren't that great, plus the fact that Pantera kinda sucked, I wouldn't expect that much out of it. Still, intriguing news.

Also, Chris Cagle's new single which just hit the country chart at #56 is "Walmart Parking Lot," which I remember liking on his album, so maybe I should pull his album back out.

My favorite album in the world this week is Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band's *Hammersmith Odeon, London '75.* No kidding. I forgot how much he used to love Mitch Ryder! And about time somebody acknowledged "Come A Little Bit Closer" by Jay and the Americans (missing link between "El Paso" and "Gimme Three Steps," as everyone knows.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Quick thoughts about Sara Evans and Brad Paisley, whose 2005 albums were due at the library before I could listen a second time (and I only really gave them background attention): Sara Evans seems kind of NPR, maybe not NPR country in the way we've been using it on this thread, but still somehow... I don't know, post-Emmy Lou supper club, even though her styles are basically mainstream. And nothing on this one hit my like "Suds in the Bucket," but this all might be owing to my inattention.

Paisley: the music is pleasant enough, with a nice little stroll to it, but it's the lyrics that make him interesting (to the extent he is interesting). The ones that popped into my head were the dead flowers one. Marry me or I will kill this flower!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Also surprising about that live Springsteen album: How prog rock it is! (In a good way!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

So I pulled out the Cagle and Dierks Bentley albums because I wanted to hear "Wal-mart Parking Lot" (which contains some good high school social geography i.e. names of cliques stuff by the way) and Dierks's "Settle for a Slowdown" and "Come a Little Closer" separately as singles rather than album tracks (which I never have, since I never hear country radio or see CMT anymore these days), and that's the order in which I liked them. All three are pretty good, though I'm kind of confused about why, after "Lot of Leavin Left to Do" was so big, Capitol went for slower songs for the ladies (okay, duh, I'm not confused, I'm not that dumb) for Dierks singles rather than, say, "Cab of My Truck" or whatever. Guess they wanna play down his ramblin man aspects and play up his lothario aspects? "Down on Easy Street" and "Modern Day Drifter" totally kick those second and third singles' butts, too -- I totally object to the marketing plan!

(And speaking of marketing plans, nobody ever answered my Sugarland conspiracy theory up above. Does that mean everybody thinks I'm nuts?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

That would be a shame if the overweight Sugarlander was forced out - I mean, it's not like country fans can't accept a bigger lady, just look at Wynonna.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

its not that shes bigger, its that shes butch.

heard a song called a six pack from perfect on the radio today, i made a joke about country being the soundtrack to functional alocholism(sp)but the song was great--does anyone know who did it.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

>its not that shes bigger, its that shes butch>

Might be both, actually. But yeah, butch is what I had in mind.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

How many women singers over forty in country music have major label contracts? (I suspect that her age was one factor in Arista's decision to give Deana the boot.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of outlaw nostalgia, "Willie" is now the name of a radio format, which I presume he's getting paid to endorse, since his picture's on the billboard. It also shows a young regular-sized (not model-thin, that is) brunette in regular clothing (neither trashy nor business) dancing with arms above her head. The text says, "release your inner redneck."

Willie 92.5. Wide Open Country

So, a friend of mine is driving me home, and she puts on Willie and the first song we hear is "Kerosene." Then some sentimental slow songs I don't recognize.

The playlist seems to be modern country and old tracks in a mix, perhaps leaning towards the rock end of each, maybe keeping an ear to what the satellite stations are doing. According to their Website (they stream their signal, if you're interested), these are the last five tracks they played:

DESPERADO
Clint Black

THE LUCKY ONE
Faith Hill

A THOUSAND MILES FROM NOWHERE
Dwight Yoakam

MY BABY LOVES ME
McBride, Martina

THAT AIN'T MY TRUCK
Rhet Akins

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

(Didn't mean to imply that anyone in Sugarland was over forty, just that in general the country mainstream has trouble with women who are not in their heterosexual prime.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I go away for a few days--a zillion posts...

xp, chuck, my ramblin' above about "deforming aspects of Nashville biz." well, it seems to me that since N-ville is all about song publishing--that's the engine that drives it--that right there is a "deforming aspect" of the biz. the constant need to feed singers with songs that might or might not fit their persona? and I think that the other big thing is the notorious practice here of using those studio musicians, which I am not saying is by definition a bad thing, since they're the best in the world.

the other big thing is the *oppositional* quality that arises here, with anyone who doesn't fit into the machine, as they say...which seems to me *needlessly* oppositional. I can't tell you how many times I've been embroiled in some ridiculous conversation about how some big country act of another spells the end of musical civilization...plus, any *rock* or, name yr. genre that ain't country, act that tries to make it in Nashville has a hard time, because of that machinery, and because they define themselves in *opposition* to it instead of going with it, or ignoring it , or whatever.

but that's changing a little bit, seems to me.

and too, I wrote that in response to the book I was reading, the "Rednecks &" book, which is good, but which is also a bit dizzying--you come away even more unsure of all the political-social relationships here. I suppose all music-biz encourgages cynicism in those who are part of it, but I would say that there's a kind of *genteel cynicism* in Nashville that's unique, and maybe that's all I was trying to express. Because I never want to be one of those people who rails against the "music biz" and all that. and I think you're right Chuck--Nashville does leave good music "intact." I think it's the "gestalt" if you will, the *attitude* the town has toward itself, the world, and so forth, that is "uniquely deforming," you get the sense that they oughta concentrate more on music and less on mythologizing itself, but then where would the fun lie in that? and which ties into Garth Brooks. and I know that for a large part of the musical community here, country music is something they wish would go away.

this is what happens when I read books...

so has anybody heard the Tres Chicas record that ND writes about? any comments about the Kristofferson piece by Friskics-Warren in the current issue? I talked to Bill at length about this record, and don't agree with him at all--but think it's a fine piece/defense of a record I find just *not there*. as for that title for the ND essay, Roy--yeah, that was Mr. Alden. nice photo of Sara Evans, though, that photogenic little thang...

multiple xps---back to this Shawn Camp record....

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

re: Frank on country's aversion to over-40 females:

Well, country doesn't look so bad in that area when compared to hip-hop, or mainstream rock, or metal, or indie (see: asinine reactions to Liz Phair still having a sex drive), or teenpop, or certain other genres to be named later. (Though basically, I still agree with you.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, how many major label r&b or rock women are over 40 these days? My guess is that country would have at least as many, though many I'm wrong. (Where over 40s *are* respected, I guess, is in the adult alternative realm. Which I have little respect for. Go figure.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

so has anybody heard the Tres Chicas record that ND writes about?

I excoriated it above. I over-stated the case, I think, but I was right about ND going for it. Musically it's got more texture than I allowed, but no heft. And the original songs are mostly pretty bad, even if you have more tolerance for mixed metaphors than I do.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I complained in my Deana Carter piece about the dearth of over-40 females in teenpop.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 March 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When I posted above about Sheryl Crow I hadn't heard she'd just undergone surgery for breast cancer (she's told the press that she expects to recover fine). Not that the cancer has anything to do with the thin sound of the album, but I'll feel vaguely guilty in the future whenever I describe her new sound as "anemic." But it is. Listening again to the album, I think the thin-blood is great for "Chances Are" and "Wildflower," which speak with a quiet insistence and are worth a special effort to hear. The rest is OK and you shouldn't make a special effort to avoid it, except I feel that even when I'm listening attentively, it's making an effort to avoid me, the sound so deliberately anorexic as to almost vanish. Some aesthetic choices I just don't understand.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

so...did anybody notice that shawn camp gets primary writing credit on four of the first five songs on josh turner's album, including "no rush" (the album's best song), "your man" (the title track and i think the single, right?), and "loretta lynn's cadillac" (which i like better as a title than an actual song). well, he does. but shawn camp's album is still about twenty times as entertaining as josh's.

the first song, "too good to be true", on alecia nugent's new rounder album *a little girl...a big four line* is super catchy and energetic pop bluegrass in the tradition of, say, ricky skaggs's "highway 40 blues," but i don't hear anything else on the rest of her album that compares. a few tracks seem possibly okay, though. i need to listen more. as far as i know, she is unrelated to ted, but maybe i'm wrong.

got a new album in the mail by a new black woman country singer named rhonda towns, and it *didn't* come via cdbaby channels. the press packet says "she entered and won Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity's Miss Black Culture Pageant" and "she enjoyed the honor to perform at the First Annual Black Country Music Show in Atlanta, Georgia" (which I never heard of, and which I'd like to learn more about) and she has appeared on BET, "providing some audience members with their first real exposure to country music." interesting. except so far, the album is boring me -- very adult-contemporary reba mcentire style. but that's what i initially thought about miko marks up above, too, and i turned out to be wrong. so i'll keep listening. i just noticed she covers "slow rain" by dobie gray (who made has made good country albums himself), not to mention a version of "the lord's prayer."

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

*a little girl...a big four LANE*

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

FYI: new ND has a feature on Nugent by Jon Weisberger.

Soon I'll have more to contribute than silly ND alerts.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

From METRO ATLANTA COUNTRY MUSIC CLUB MONTHLY UPDATE
Don Adkisson, President
MARCH 2003

"The third annual Black Country Music Special took place at the Aaron
Davis Hall Theatre in New York City Feb. 14. The event, which
coincides with Black History Month, featured artists such as Big Al
Downing, Will Glover, Vicki Vann and K.C. Williams"

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

gosh, I didn't know Big Al Downing was alive! like his stuff on those Silver Fox/SSS comps.

it seems all I've done over the last few days is listen to the Kinks and Ray Davies, for something I'm cooking up here. but I have lent an ear to some of Radney Foster's new one "This World We Live In." and I'll say that the first track, "Drunk on Love," is actually funky and rips off Sheryl Crow and Nilsson's "Coconut," and he talks his way thru some of it, has a nice unpretentious voice...altho he does say "bidness" and I'm not sure about that. anyway, what he seems to be going for is pub-rock or the Fab Thunderbirds with Nick Lowe kinda-thing as on "Big Love." it seems to thin out pretty quickly, and I'm not sure that his voice, unpretentious as it is, can really sustain.

thx for the take on Tres, Roy, I must've missed your comments upthread. I don't think the songs are any good, nice "textures."

and I like Daniell Howle's "Thank You Mark." nicely jazzy. which come to think of it might mean not much, but it's pleasant. it's in the stack along with Jessi's record, Shawn Camp, etc.

and I really have grown attached to Jamey Johnson's record. in fact got myself a jones for it for a while. and ended up liking Scott Miller's "Citation" quite a lot, which suprised me. Dickinson's production really helps, of course, but I think his songs are good, especially the one about Sam Houston and the I'm-in-Iraq-but-Jody's-fucking-my-girlfriend song (and Scott'll get her back, Jody, so enjoy it while you can).

finally, I recommend the new Numero female-obscuro-folkie comp "Ladies from the Canyon." the repros of the album covers, and the liners, are worth the price, but shit, some of the music ain't any worse than the folkie stuff that made it out into the world. some better. and Ellen Warshaw, who was the only one to make it to a halfway big label (Vanguard) landed here in Nashville, where she runs a B&B, works as a massage therapist, and still writes songs. her version of "Sister Morphine" isn't really worse than Faithfull's...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you folks know of any forums that mainly discuss the type of music ND covers?

cracktivity1 (cracktivity1), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

>gosh, I didn't know Big Al Downing was alive! <

Well, he's not, not anymore. He was in 2003, though.

Here's what I wrote about his last album:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0337,eddy,46856,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, could you tell me a bit more about the SSS / Silver Fox stuff? Mostly I know those labels for their soul output, though I have an old UK-released SSS vinyl comp called "Country Gold", which is an entertaining mixture of decent country-pop, light-ish honky tonk and ludicrous novelty records (eg a "Big John" take off called "Big Fanny" which is hilarious to us Brits, as you can probably imagine) plus some rubbish. I'd like to hear more.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Rhoda Towns album is sounding better, especially "Somethin' Better" (which mentions Scooby Doo) and "Those Were the Nights" and "Storm Before the Calm." Doesn't sound like Reba; not sure who it *does* sound like. My new traditionalist countrypolitan-woman comparison chops ain't shit. But the album's slickness has energy and hooks and soul. Only real sore spot for me so far is that she puts her American Idolized "The Lord's Prayer" at #4 when she should have closed the album with it. It lasts less than two minutes, but feels like an eternity. Though apparently she's the daughter of a preacher man, so maybe she had no choice. Thing is, I grew up Catholic not Protestant, so I'm used to forgiving us our tresspassers, not our debtors. Eek.

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

RHONDA Towns. Not Rhoda. (Because then she'd be Jewish, and Mary Tyler Moore's friend.)

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

duh. 2003 is when that was. that's good on Big Al, Chuck.

*Edd, could you tell me a bit more about the SSS / Silver Fox stuff? Mostly I know those labels for their soul output*

well, that's pretty much what I know, Tim. Sundazed put out two comps last year of SSS/Silver Fox stuff. "My Goodnes, Yes!" is the better of the two, by far, concentrating on Silver Fox material. the big name is Bettye LaVette, who did all her Silver Fox recording with the Dixie Flyers in Memphis. and as far as I'm concerned (having just gotten 3 discs, put together by LaVette's manager/husband, of the bulk of her work from the early '60s thru about '82, with some very nice stuff done on an Atlantic session unreleased in the USA but somehow or another avaiable in Europe) that's her best period. anyway, the other Sundazed comp, "Shake What You Brought," is far less compelling, lots of lame retreads of the fashionable sounds of the era. there's also a Kent 20-cut comp called "Cryin' in the Streets" that contains many songs not on the Sundazed, including Calvin Leavy's "Cummins Prison Farm" which is a great companion piece to Bobby Womack's 1970 "Arkansas State Prison." Shelby Singleton just grabbed up anything he could find, so it's really inconsistent, but "My Goodness" has a couple of really nice Robert Parker Allen Toussaint songs on it.

and George did good on that Hank III record in the Voice. Hank Jr. wouldn't have done it that way.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Edd, I know the Silver Fox Lavette stuff (back when she was plain ol' Betty!) and the Atlantic CD which (yes) came out in France a few years back, having been legendary lost tapes forever. She did a few good bits & bobs for Epic, I think, and then made an LP for Motown which I've heard good things about but never actually heard.

I'll have a glance at the Sundazed CDs, but I want to know more about the country stuff these people recorded.

What I know about this country soul stuff comes from the sleeve notes of Charly reissues from the 80s, and from Barney Hoskyns's book "Say It One Time For The Brokenhearted: The Country Side of Southern Soul" which isn't faultless but is very useful.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I just bought tickets to see Lee Ann Womack in NYC, and George Jones in Lancaster, PA (both in June). I suppose I'd better book a flight. Holidays! Hooray!

Tim (Tim), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

>Do you folks know of any forums that mainly discuss the type of music ND covers? <

Heh heh, hate to do this again, but:

No Depression Top 40 of 2005

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I don't know anything about the Silver Fox country stuff, Tim. I know there are plenty of country-soul comps out there, but I haven't got any of them, if they contain SSS/Fox material, or if they concentrate on people like Tex and Womack. I think the original David Allen Coe "Penitentiary Blues" came out on SSS in the late '70s. I need to talk to Mike Grey at the Country Music Hall of Fame, he'll know all about it, I reckon.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

alecia nugent CD is coffee-house tedium after that first track (which by the way is yet more proof of my "i like every song containing the word 'ponchatrain'" rule.) (second best song is probably "where his wheels left the road," about a drunk driving crash.) people who like alison krauss more than i do will be less bored by the CD than i am.

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

right off the bat the new B-Star EP *what we do* is a GIGANTIC improvement over the one from a couple years i mention above from when they were called battelstar and sounded like cake or whoever. to wit (1) first song "bootleg dreams" immediately might be one of my favorite 2006 singles (first tracks of EPs always count as singles); they've clearly been listening to big and rich (the first alt-country band to audibly do so?) and apparently hired their own cowboy troy (except, judging from the photo on the back of the EP, he's much SHORTER). this song is funkier than i would have guessed they were capable of; it rocks. and though the anti religious right stuff and pro union stuff (i ASSUME pro-union; gotta re-listen to that line actually) is fine the funniest part is when they say they're gonna rock down to Atlantic Avenue (since they're from Brooklyn, see); (2) "To Far Gone," girl-sung alt-country that namedropd george jones, otis redding, and nina simone; big deal who doesn't, but i like the hawaiian gutiar break; (3) "yellowbelly," another hick-hop rap, stiff turntables and rapping but funky swamp guitars and fiddles (rhyhmes with "paradiddles"), reminds me of rehab's *southern discomfort* (see link below)**, or maybe a country version of hip hop hoodios, but i end up liking it, anyway they're clearly vying here for a b&r opening spot, good for them, talking about how they're not some cliched hee haw hootenany sassafrass, but damn their DJ has a corny assed scratching technique; (4) "holla atcha," starts out like a '70s funk band, then the rapper comes in; groove gets very country-disco--cool, second best song so far after the opener; rapper shouts out to marvin gaye then he tells the girl he's singing to all the stuff he's gonna do for her tonight, and you hear the alt-country gal a little in the background and eventually there's some picking that pops like say what hot buttered popcorn okay maybe not THAT funky but i still highly approve; (5) slowed down to a whiskeyfied dance drag, "ain't had a job in over a year" -- okay, this reminds me a LOT of A-3 (see: where I talked about battlestar america up above), but this time they're pulling it off, and the guy who's singing makes this sound sweeter and more moving than the girl who sang track two, though her feathery little voice still sounds okay in the background and eventually she gets a little less feathery and sleepy-eyed at which point she improves, and then they stretch it out with fiddles; (6) hambone/thigh-slapping/spoon-playing beats mixed into scratching that sounds better now, sorta like young mc's "bust a move" in fact (or maybe that's the drums), then singing in rhythm from both the guy and gal ("i can't spring for drinks at these new york bars, i don't have fun there anyway...got my furniture off the street...i can't go out like i used to, my apartment ain't got no heat," so she's gonna visit him all the time, yeah this sounds like boho brooklyn in '06 to me.)

** - http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0148,couch,30258,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, track 5 is called "recession"; track 6 is "someone like me."

xhuxk, Friday, 3 March 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

> they're gonna rock down to Atlantic Avenue <

A la Eddy Grant, if that wasn't already obvious.

Turns out the Cowboy Troy soundalike rapper, Dolio the Sleuth, IS also their turntablist, and he's probably not as inept at the latter as I suggest above; his scratching sounds less clumsy on subsequent listens. Six other people (all lighter skinned than Dolio) in the band. Singers are Rench (male) and Veronica Dougherty (female). Bass player is named "gAOl."

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I just returned Carrie to the library (from where I'm posting now); only gave her a couple of spins but I think she's got something, even if the something hasn't evolved into a personality and even though Dann Huff productions like this do tend towards the ho-hum. Best track is the one where she takes her key and cuts a big gouge in the cheaters car; he may cheat on the next one but won't cheat on her again. The singing on that one is basically blues, even if the song isn't (it probably is, actually, even though it's not twelve bar I-IV-I-V-IV-I). Listened to five tracks on the Jessi Colter and liked her voice but thought the material tended towards the standard for blues-based country (whereas Carrie's had more bite, even if her voice isn't as interesting as Jessi's).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I posted this on the teenpop thread (Chuck wrote about the Hazzard compilation last year; obv. I like the Jessica track a couple scadzillion times more than he does):

OK, today's booty from the library consists of Lizzie McGuire, DVD, episodes 12 through 22; Talk to Her, a film by Pedro Almodóvar; The Dukes of Hazzard (CD not DVD); Buddy Jewell Times Like These. I suspect that the Jewell and the Almodóvar won't qualify as teenpop, though I haven't listened or watched yet, and you never know. I'll report back on Lizzie McGuire (so far Hilary Duff is a complete cipher to me, even though I love "Come Clean" and "Fly"). Which leaves The Dukes of Hazzard, which I've had on continuous play all afternoon and is chock full of greatness, including as its leadoff (speaking of booty) a very strange and spooky version of "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" by Jessica Simpson. What it is (speaking of the conversation between black and white that Simon Reynolds doesn't think exists right now) is a Jam & Lewis dance track, almost all of it treble percussion and handclap, Jessica making her voice uncharacteristically thin, sketching in the melody, with banjo and harmonica occasionally inserted, a bit of guitar from Willie Nelson, almost no bottom. And it leads into maybe the most searing Allman Brothers song ever, "One Way Out," and for the rest of the album (with the exception of a negligible Willie cut at the end) you've got blistering '70s Southern rock by the likes of Skynyrd and Hatchett and Vaughan and Daniels (speaking of black-white conversations from the past), and blistering recent faux Southern rock by the Blueskins and the Blues Explosion that matches the Allmans song in quality and actually outdoes the Skynyrd, Hatchett, Vaughn, Daniels stuff. And - speaking of bubblegum as Southern rock or vice versa (producers Kasenetz & Katz, the fellows who'd brought us "Yummy Yummy Yummy" and "Chewy Chewy" and "1, 2, 3 Red Light") - there's Ram Jam's "Black Betty," which is 120 years of American stomp condensed into three minutes. The Blueskins and Blues Explosion tracks totally floor me. The only thing I know about the Blueskins is they're Yorkshire Brits on the same label as the Arctic Monkeys. Their song - "Change My Mind - starts with an acoustic slide, but in its heart it's scrappy slimy vinyl-pants L.A. sleaze metal (which was the teenpop of the late '80s). The Blues Explosion's "Burn It Off" reminds me of the Johnny Thunders Heartbreakers, a great Stonesy groove but with a girl-groupish call-and-response type poppiness. I don't know if Jon Spencer quite has the voice for what he's trying to do, but Thunders didn't either, yet it worked often enough and so does this. I've got one Blues Explosion album that I played a couple of times and set aside for its being too distant and mannered, but maybe I need to go back and rethink it. I'd liked Spencer's sense of humor back in Pussy Galore.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

what i wrote last year, for whatever it's worth (and for whatever it's worth, as I recall, Thunders at least used to *try* to sing. Though maybe I should go back and listen to that Spencer cut regardless. The guy's refusal to write actual songs has always annoyed me):

>the *dukes of hazzard* soundtrack is an excellent if somewhat obvious collection of redneck rock of many stripes, though even i can't stand jessica's breathy "boots" remake. only recent country artist on it is montgomery gentry, whose "hillbilly shoes" is better than i'd remembered. but there's also allmans, skynyrd, molly hatchet, james gang, stevie ray vaughn, cdb ("south's gonna do it again" always amazes me by how JAZZY it is -- it basically turns into glen miller in the middle!), and the completely insane looong version of ram jam' s "black betty", which my otherwise now wu tang obsessed kid sherman made me play six times in the rentacar this weekend (he'd never heard it before. he hated molly hatchet's singer, though, and whenever montgomery gentry came on he said "is this big & rich"?) also a dirty southern culture on the skids party number that blowfly or hasil adkins would appreciate, a typically worthless piece of blackface bullshit by jon spencer, and a rocking cowpunk tune by the blueskins, who i never heard of before. anybody know who they are?
(i do think "boots" by jessica is "interesting", i guess. kelefah wrote a pretty smart review of it in the times friday; it's quite the montage, with that reggae dancehall beat and all. but i could give a fuck for most reggae dancehall beats, you know? and britney did the same montage better in her 'i got that {boom boom}' ying yang and banjo collab last year. and i wish jessica sang instead of getting hushy {just like i wish the ying yangs weren't getting hushy so much lately}; she has a reasonably tolerable singing voice {not as cool as her sister's, but what the heck}; why not use it? plus ram jam's extended 'black betty' has a WAY better and more surprising hoedown in the middle, believe you me; whoever i decided to include it on this album is probably a genius.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), July 25th, 2005.

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony reviewed the OST somewhere in glowing terms, I remember.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Buddy Jewell: still boring.
-- Haikunym (zinogu...), April 19th, 2005. (Haikunym)


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Erin Condo, *Leaving Songs* (Joyland Music): not boring at all
But Haikunym is OTM about Buddy Jewell

-- xhuxk (xedd...), April 19th, 2005.

And I just finished reading Werner's pan from last year of the Buddy Jewell album (and listening to said snooze of an album). So where did I get the idea he was critically respected?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

so i wound up really enjoying the rhonda towns album, and i was going to say that i didn't have anything to say about it regardless, and then i put one of my favorite tracks, "storm before the calm", back on, and it hit me where her soul music element might come from: dionne warwick (early '80s "heartbreaker" era I guess)! that's who her singing in this song reminds me of, anyway (dionne via reba maybe?), though "go on with yourself" is more '70s loretta lynn. i also really like "somethin' better," "i wanna be loved be you," "slow rain" (the dobie gray cover), and to some extent "plenty more love" (which has the soggiest countrypolitan backup voices). "the lord's prayer" probably bugs me as much because it's a capella as because she forgives her debtors, i realized. 10 songs total, including four 2:37 or shorter, and none over 3:48, so it's all pretty economical. and i notice hargus "pig" robbins is listed amid the piano credits, so i'm guessing maybe some money went into it. it definitely *sounds* to me like pro product. ("tracks 7,8,9,10 recorded & mixed by george clinton," too, but that must be a different george clinton, right?) beyond that, though, i wish i had the language to explain why i like pop-country of this particular stripe. (which stripe, as i may have pointed out before, is rather anachronistic -- it sounds more to me like stuff that would have hit the country charts 15 years ago than stuff hitting the country charts now. i wonder if that's on purpose.)

xhuxk, Monday, 6 March 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

got to get Rhonda, sounds like. Norro Wilson worked on a lot of stuff here, including the Sara Evans record before her stint with Paul Worley.

one last time listening to Tres Chicas. it's so obviously the kind of folkie-jazz they used to make in the '70s. I detect no feeling at all; in fact, something about this reminds me of the Association, except not as lively. "Man of the people flying first class" indeed. This is like eating a whole bag of yogurt-covered malted-milk balls in the parking lot of Whole Foods. the electric-piano textures are particularly annoying. if the whole record had been at the tempo of the last song, "It's All Right," I might actually be able to listen to it again. but I give it points as one of the most anachronistic records of the year, hints of the New Seekers except the New Seekers were smart enough to cover Roy Wood and Richard Thompson. Roy's right upthread, if this is ND listeners' idea of fonk-ee with them purty harmonies on top, which is what I get from the way the rhythm section interacts and the way you can almost hear the guitarist grinning as he makes a few "rude" noises in "It's All Right," then it is indeed flat-line-the-audience time... xp

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

various country notes
josh turners new single is really fantastic, hot, bordering on dominating, really sexy, and really quite subtle in its eroticism, and the video, with a suprising lack of flesh, is equally precise in its seductive intentions

the brokeback soundtrack, with 2(!) rufus wainwright songs, and the argentine playing leone, should be much worse then it is, rufus covers king of the road in a really hard way, w/o the decadence or cabaret loucheness that i expect of him.

the new neko album could have been amazing, and her skills as a photogrpaher suprised (she did the interior cover art) and i have listended to it four or five times, and i still remain undecided, my review will be for left hip this time, and well we will see what i think in the end, im really ambigous about it right now.

there is a strange essay in this weeks london review of books, found here, in a round about way about the myth of johnny cash, that i think bitches about the lack of authencitiy, but remains unsettled, but i think that having someone willing to deconstruct the cult around cash's sainthood, to talk about how much he liked money, to point out his sentimentality is a really impt thing--as i think it is to talk about vivian, how badly he treated her, and ias an extension,much domestic shit that june had to do , how much june gave up[ her life for his: heres the article :http://lrb.co.uk/v28/n05/sans01_.html

there is a new comp of junes work with johnny out there, i bought it for 12 bucks canadian, so it must be basically free in america, and i think as something that foregrounds her contributions is really impt to have, and its got a really precise mix.

big and rich are playing stadia here, and in calgary--are they that big, or will their be lots of empty seats?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Jace Everett = pretty danged good singer/songwriter, mostly singer. He describes the album as "no bullshit," I'm not sure that's accurate but it's stripped down all right: ten tracks, 34 minutes, good thing I got it for free or I'd be pissed about the investment. Okay enough voice, good bad-attitude stuff like telling his paramour "I wanna do bad things with you", some sweeter stuff too. Anyone else heard it?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony I feel the same way as you about the Neko Case. I ran out yesterday and bought it (day of release over here, rare for me to bother doing that). From time to time I find myself tinking how gorgeous it is, but then losing the thread. Maybe it's the kind of record which requires familiarity to becoem a firm favourite. I end up thinking it could do with more hooks, though.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:39 (eighteen years ago) link

just read Sony's description of Jace, Haik. this sounds like something I need to hear, I haven't seen this one come thru from the label yet. looks like Jace has written with Radney Foster et al. so is it a full-band kind of record? just him and geetar? similar to Radney's new 'un (which I briefly described above as kind of a pubrock/rootsy move, although that was on one or two listens...)?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Neko's problem is her band(s) - too much prairie ambiance and faux-Morricone atmospheric shit (isn't Calexico involved in this new one somehow?) - her lyrics are fascinatingly knotty and her voice is always amazing, and Fox Confessor isn't a BAD record at all, it's just hard to listen to it and not think about how much better she'd sound with a livelier band - a few noirish mood-pieces are fine, but "John Saw That Number" is the only song here with a pulse.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd: Everett's album is a full-band thing, there are just a couple of Radney songs; the best one is one Everett writes by hisself. Produced by Mark White, so you know it sounds good. The chord changes are pretty rockish or even new wavish at times, betraying his bar-band bass-playing past, but I'd compare his mindset to Gary Allan (not his voice, though, which is good but not Allan-good).

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

gotcha on Jace, Haik. got one coming.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

what kind of messed-up world is it when I get a promo copy of a country record before edd hurt does?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Music Editor Bill Friskics-Warren said adios to the Nashville Scene today. Something about "editorial differences with the new owners." Shocked I am not.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Time to polish off the ol' resumes and start dancing to the devil's fiddle, everyone!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link

This is like eating a whole bag of yogurt-covered malted-milk balls in the parking lot of Whole Foods.

I'd be so happy if more music crits assessed things this way. Hearts.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Neko's problem is her band(s)

no i think tim's right, the problem is with hooks. the bands are ok, the sadies especially (i'm not a huge sadies fan, but i think they back up neko pretty well). i think fox confessor is about 3/4 good. but good isn't great, and the 1/4 that isn't even good bogs the rest down. she's idiosyncratic and all, but i can't help liking her best when she treats herself to a real actual tune.

the album also isn't country or even alt-country or anything particularly related to either.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

but her voice is closer to kitty wells then almost anyone singing to day....and i dont think that she knows how to deal with collabotors, all of her work is done with other people, and people who she is often st ronger then, but she doesnt know how to trust her own work or sublimate it to work well with others...

kelly hogan and neko case should have blown the roof off of everything in site. it didnt.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

jace everett album is sounding really good, which, as somebody may have already suggested, probably has a lot more to do with the songs than with the singing. if gary allan was singing (or maybe montgomery gentry on "between a father and a son," which i haven't decided if i like or not), this would probably be a GREAT album. as it is, it's just fine, and i don't think jace is a bad singer -- he's perfectly competent, more than you can say for plenty of country songwriters. and i'm assuming he IS a songwriter, since he gets lead songwriting credit on most of the songs that are jumping out at me (bad things, gold, nowhere in the neighborhood, between a father and a son). more listens may well help me connect with his voice more, i'm not sure. either way, the guy's a real talent, and this is a really good record.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

kelly hogan and neko case should have blown the roof off of everything in site. it didnt.

yeah. i still think they need to do a gospel album together. or maybe a collection of girl-group covers. or both.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

>ten tracks, 34 minutes, good thing I got it for free or I'd be pissed about the investment. <

I don't get this, though. Ten tracks in 34 mintues is a BETTER investment than 14 tracks in 50 minutes including a load of crap. Seems to me this is the length most albums SHOULD be. (I was gonna say most "country" albums, but why limit it to country? Country just tends to have a better grasp of economy than most genres these days.)

Also, fwiw, I've never been much of a fan of other records Radney Foster's been involved in (though maybe that just means I haven't heard enough of them, or I haven't noticed his involvement.) (And Matt is right to point out that Foster's involvement is limited here.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Sony Nashville is like, 30 miles from my front door, so I don't know why I haven't gotten Jace yet. I corrected that yesterday.

the only really good song on Radney is the first one. kinda like Stealer's Wheel or something. it's a strange record that has an '80s production esthetic. sort of like a minor Edmunds or Lowe record, I guess--but not as funny, and I don't think Foster writes as well as Lowe. maybe he should just do covers, like Edmunds? I dunno. he's in Nashville, he is a songwriter. no patch on Elizabeth McQueen--they ought to get together.

speaking of Ms. McQueen, I wish I was flying to Texas so I could attend the Pub Rock Hoot Night on the 12th. her SXSW postcard says she has a version of "Cruel to Be Kind" at www.elizabethmcqueen.com/mp3/cruel.mp3

not happy about what's happening at the Scene here. Bill's gonna be missed.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Also a free version of "What a Waste" at www.elizabethmcqueen.com/mp3/whatawaste.mp3. I haven't downloaded it yet, but I did download "Cruel to Be Kind" and my initial reaction is "eh" (which was my reaction to the original song in its day, too) though as always I like her voice, and there's something interesting going on with the accompanying vocals, or so I recall from last night when I listened.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

(Matos is leaving the Seattle Weekly, and I have no idea if that's owing to creative differences w/ new management or his finding something else he'd rather do more.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I really have to say I'm impressed with Jessi Colter's new one, "Out of the Ashes." I note that it just charted on Billboard, with I gather is her first solo disc to chart in almost 30 years. Not surprised, given how good this one actually is. I really like it from start to finish. Very earthy, very natural sounding record. The "Starman," "You Can Pick 'Em," and "Velvet and Steel" tracks really let her rip. Some nice bluesy, rockin,' tonkin' sounds that obviously draw upon her influences, but with a whole new sense of freedom. I had forgotten just how good she was, both as a singer and a writer. I have to say the slow songs are just as powerful, for me. "So Many Things," is about as huanting as you can get on disc, these days. The duet with Ray Herndon, "Never Got Over You," is another winner.

I've read about the comparison of the album having a "Stonesy" sound, but i think that comes more from Don Was' loose, expansive production. The whole record has a nice & gritty, greasy feel to it, and the songs really stick in the brain without being cheap at all. I think it's just a brutally "honest" record. Was's production, again, is top-notch, and Ray Kennedy's engineering is just as good. The musicians are some of the best in the business, too. Most of all, though, Colter really puts her own stamp on this music. Honestly, I can't believe her voice is still this good. In fact, it's even better than her 70s work, in some ways. I guess she aged like a nice bottle of wine. All in all, this is the most impressive set i've heard yet this year. First listen and you're impressed. Three listens and you're blown away. It's a must-but piece, IMO. Great to see her back and so solid.

jakobransom, Thursday, 9 March 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

wow:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=1702714&page=1&CMP=OT

xhuxk, Friday, 10 March 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I just posted this on the rolling teenpop thread. Marit Larsen had been the shy member of M2M, a duo that was possibly the best teenpop group of the last decade; now she's 21 and has an album Under the Surface (so far only available in Norway) that's something else entirely, at least on the three tracks I've heard so far, with a carnival or county fair or travelogue feel (in other words I don't have a clue how to describe it) yet with singer-songwriter let's-examine-the-intricacies-of-our-relationship lyrics that with her delivery come out way more joyous - somehow, even though two of the three tracks I've heard are about breakups - than singer-songwriter let's-examine-the-intricacies-of-our-relationship lyrics ever do. Anyway, this is what I posted:

Holy goddamn shit! I'm now on my third Marit Larsen track, "Only a Fool," and this one is the country song of the year so far. It'd be too "quirky" or something to ever get country airplay even if country programmers in the U.S. heard it, and I doubt that Marit's trying to get country play, but it's got a banjo or a mandolin or both, a wonderfully catchy rhythm that dominates the start, great hand-clapping; the song drives forward but wiggles sideways at the same time with little twinkletoe steps. And, true to form, the words make it yet another I'm-not-going-back-to-you song, sung in the same happy sly chirp as always: "Well, I say I found the letters you wrote/Mine was the smile and the life that you broke/Mine was the story that you told your friends/Yours were the demons you couldn't defend." Then she goes, "Understand me as of lately I've learned a thing or two," and the twist she puts on "two" could be Miranda Lambert or Natalie Maines. Her voice is a lot smaller than theirs, and I wouldn't say it has a lot of emotional juice - she's not a wailer - but she has a superb instinct for knowing when to insert an extra syllable into a word, when to let another word fall nonchalantly, when to add a momentary, wispy cry.

I'll tell you, the other songs on here will have to be complete dogs for this album not to make my Pazz & Jop ballot. (Assuming I get to hear the album. Amazon doesn't yet know of it, at least in the U.S. Not that I could afford an import album.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh and here's where Marit streams her video and has substantial clips from another five tracks on the album, including "Only a Fool."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you notice that Marit's new single got much the highest average mark of the year so far in the Stylus Singles Jukebox?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Bizarre, my neanderthal downloadaphobia is starting to make me feel months behind on TEEN-POP, of all things. (Though it's not really phobia; it's just that I have so many CDs piled up I can hold in my hands that I don't get *around* to downloading, and anyway, I don't trust my judgement when I listen to music that way. It's too sterile, too much like going to a listening session where I'm not allowed to hold the record, too fucking transitory, sorry. Music is meant to be lived with, and that's just not how I live. So who knows, maybe I'll try to BUY the Marit Larsen and Aly & AJ albums someday, just like the last Toby Keith album and the Akon album and Ha-Ash and Reggaeton Ninos other stuff I still haven't gotten around to. Or maybe I won't.)

Meanwhile, I'm listening to *I Know You Feel It,* self-released 2004 album by Blazing Country featuring the Lybarger Family, a six-member Missouri family band (i.e, near as I can tell, Blazing Country ARE the Lybarger family -- a mom and a dad and their three sons and one daugher, apparently) discovered on cdbaby (but not LISTENED TO there -- see, that's how much an old-school asshole I am; even with cdbaby bands, I drop them a note and don't listen until I get the CD in my grubby little hands, even though I COULD listen to their music right there on the cdbaby page. You know, I'd rather listen while I'm doing other things but take little notes on the CD cover while the CD's spinning. And not stream a song at a time, which isn't accidental enough and never works like a CD playing through in the background etc etc etc and don't give me shit about it because I've got fingers plugging my ears okay?) Anyway. Blazing Country. Best stuff is either hard/sometimes-fast/somewhat-dark country rock sung by son Dallas(opener "Doin' Time" with tough words and mood worthy of Montgomery Gentry, "Drivin Around Texas With You," maybe "That Left One" which unlike the Bikini Kill obscenity suggested by its title is actually apparently about a guy getting stood Gilbert O'Sullivan style up at the altar) or boppier, poppier, Diddley/Willie & Hand Jive/"Faith"/jitterbug-swing-beat stuff sung by daughter Dana ("Thing Called Love" and "Have I Got Blues for You," both probably a little too lite somehow, and "No More Excuses," which may well be the best song on the album and where Dana Lybarger--who to my eyes looks quite cute and curvy on the cover--comes closest vocally to Natalie/Miranda territory.) I like how these people mix the modern tough-guy redneck rock thing with the cute swing nostalgia; is anybody else doing that?

xhuxk, Friday, 10 March 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Oooops, copyright 2003 not 2004. (Still current in my book, though.)

xhuxk, Friday, 10 March 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Music is meant to be lived with, and that's just not how I live.

I dunno, Chuck -- keep the songs on your desktop or in a close to hand iPod and you'll definitely live with them, as I've found. But I understand the comfort of experience.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Just not the same, Ned. (And my only desktop is at work, by the way. And I don't want an ipod. But yeah, like I've said too many times, if I didn't get 500 CDs in the mail every week I'd no doubt feel differently. Probably my aversion is just part of my weeding process.)

xhuxk, Friday, 10 March 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I quite understand. Even in my own smaller way I wonder how I get through it all.

(This Marit thing Frank mentions is of interest. Scandinavians have a good way around that, I've noticed.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(I will probably make an exception for Marit, actually. This is one of the only times anybody has really convinced me that I'd be MISSING something if I didn't put aside by admittedly irrational anti-technology prejudices. So I will listen to her. Just not right now.)

xhuxk, Friday, 10 March 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Academy of Country Music nominees '06:

http://countrymusic.about.com/b/a/250118.htm#more

awards show held in Vegas this spring.

Album of Year nominees:

Rascal Flatts, Feels Like Today
Lee Ann Womack, There's More
Brad Paisley, Time Well Wasted
Gary Allan, Tough All Over
Sugarland, Twice the Speed of Life

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i cant afford the cds, and spend most of my time on the machine anyways, but i have noticed that listening digitally (i even upload/burn the cds i buy) has made it difficult ot get into albums, and made me a single listener

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody in these parts going to SXSW? I'll be there.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 11 March 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

the legendary moody scott, *simply moody: we gotta bust outta the ghetto*: more cdbaby southern soul, from louisiana. cover has moody, a dapper old guy seemingly in his 60s, in front of a rundown rural shack; interesting, since "ghettos" are usually assumed to be urban, right? first track "bustin out of the ghetto" is a sort of james brown rip, five minutes long, where moody as i recall reels off some towns in the south train conducter style (am i imagining this? i THINK he did that, anyway) and ends singing "america america god grant his grace on thee." then he covers tyrone davis's great "can i change my mind," my favorite track. and from there the more soul oriented stuff ("last two dollars," the misspelled cheated-on song "one man's hppiness" which for some reason makes me think of billy stewart sitting in the park even though billy had a high voice and moody really doesn't, "something you got baby") is more likeable, to me, than the more blatantly blues stuff, but then again i always think that. both the soul and blues are generic, i suppose; with the soul i don't mind. best song title: "annie mae cafe." and the closer "son of a southern man" starts with moody telling his guitarist "tattoo" suarez ("my man from argentina") about his grandpa drinking corn liquor and singing "downhome blues". so yeah, country for sure.

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 March 2006 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

He does get urban and/or urbane once, though -- a nice slinky silk-shirt early '80s style quiet storm soul croon called "The Best of Me." (Not sure if any songs other than the Tyrone Davis are covers. "Last Two Dollars" and "Annie Mae Cafe" are writing-credited to one George Jackson; wasn't there a soul singer of that name once? But if so, I never heard him, though.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 March 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"something you got baby" wouldn't be chris kenner's "something you got" would it? since moody's from louisiana...and yeah, george jackson (I'm assuming it's the same guy--I don't know "annie mae cafe") wrote z.z. hill's "down home blues" and a lot of stuff for candi staton, clarence carter, pickett, james carr; a memphis guy who later worked for malaco and wrote for all them: johnnie taylor, latimore, shirley brown, bobby bland...

enjoying jace everett, so far. it's quite a collection of somewhat off-the-wall guitar effects, interesting guitar chromatics (as in the first song), definitely a '70s pop thing happening; and in my mode of concurrent listening (lately it's been dusty springfield/the latest numero group comp of obscure '70s female singers/the new, beautiful nara leão bossa "nara '67"; and jace/radney foster/jessi colter, partly because they all have cool first names, I guess) I notice that both radney and jace hark back to stiff records, which I find interesting.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 11 March 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the twang noises at the end of everett's "bad things" are pretty weird, and it's also neat in that song how he puts those pyschobillified werewolf yelps into a nashville context. if the CD's a hit (is it yet? i haven't checked), it'll stretch the definition of pop country a little bit.

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 March 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

and oh yeah, i don't know that kenner song, edd, but the songwriting of moody's "something you got baby" is credited to alvin robinson, if that helps.

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 March 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

hey roy, yeah i'm gonna be in austin next week - don't have a badge or wristband or nuthin' but i'm still hoping to check out some shows (esp. daytime stuff).

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

George Jackson was an occasional great old soul singer on Goldwax then Hi, and kind of a house writer at both. I'll try to remember tomorrow (just in from a party, and why I'm doing this rather than going straight to bet I've no idea) to YSI his absolutely magnificent Aretha, Sing One For Me. He was among the greatest writers in southern soul - he wrote for Ann Peebles, O.V. Wright, Otis Clay, James Carr, Clarence Carter, Etta James, Denise LaSalle, Wilson Pickett, Candi Staton and even wrote the Osmonds' first hit!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

if I'm not mistaken, Alvin Robinson recorded for AFO (All for One), a New Orleans label of the '60s that Harold Battiste started; house band included Toussaint and Red Tyler. And he had a hit with Kenner's "Something You Got" (which was later covered by lots of folks, including Bobby Womack, who did a reggae remake on his "Safety Zone" LP in the mid-'70s. Alvin Robinson also recorded for Leiber and Stoller at Red Bird in New York, and did a real classic called "Down Home Girl."

I gotta get that Moody Scott record.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 12 March 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Something You Got was for Leiber and Stoller too - they owned Tiger Records, and it was that that got Robinson the time at Red Bird.

I don't know anything much about Moody Scott, just a handful of tracks, but A Woman's Touch is an old favourite.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

That YSI:
George Jackson - Aretha, Sing One For Me

It'd be in my top 100 favourite singles ever, I think.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

>I gotta get that Moody Scott record.<

I have an extra copy, Edd! I'll send it to you.

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 March 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

great! thanks Chuck!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 12 March 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

>I don't know anything much about Moody Scott, just a handful of tracks, <

So Martin, did Moody have regional hits or something? I never heard of him before I saw his cdbaby page, and haven't really taken time to research him. I'm surprised you even heard of him!

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 March 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

im finally listening to georgia hard, the robbie fulks album from a year or two ago, and i have a dozen or so thoughts about it:

1) the comedy songs dont really work at all, but t hings like goodbye cruel girl sound an awfully like the comedy tracks on brad paisley, except they rock (well kind of rock, in that npr safe way)
2) his voice is really much better here, more supple, softer, subtler, more difficult in dismissing it as a rough imitator of better worse things
3) its really about class, wealth, how to achieve money, and how to lose money--it reminds me of the disappearing middle class, and the ignoring of working/ruling class issues in mainstream country (other examples:iris dement, emmylou harris, mary gauthier) (counter examples: maybe gretchen)
4) its really sad, low key, not sad as melodramatic, but withdrawn and lonely, it is so sure that it will never be happy
5) you dont want what i have is the male equivlent of i may hate myself in the morning, but more self loathing. (the women here come on sleezy/that young thing acts like she needs me bad/but dont look on her lies/with envy in yr eyes/you dont want what i have)--the vocal rising and falling, the edging towards pyrotechincs, barely kept in check are really womacky
6) there is a really good drinking song here--last year seemed to be the year of the drinking for pleasure, drinking as positive release (hicktown, tequilla makes her clothes come off, the paisley sort of, all jacked up, etc) this one actually is one of those track of my tears hank williams classic, with the line drink my heartaches dry, and its angry too, it reminds me v. much of some of the better earlier jason mccoy, a brilliant singer/songwriter who i dont think has broke in america, and who is know doing this trucking themed road album called the roadhammers, i have no idea why he hasnt broken though, hes fucking brilliant.
7) how does everyone think of if they could see me know--i think that it is the strongest vocal performance song of his, i think it has authentic details, and i t hink its really quite astonishing, and it pegs into rodney cowells obscenity prayer quite nicely, and the details about markets, family, and real estate, and even the idea of hobby farming, are excellent (esp. how they relate in the next verse to cocaine, furs, etc---fulks knows how drugs work as american signifers) and it has that great talky middle bit, which reminds me of things like veitnam, but i dont understand how all of this rises towards the end of the narrative--why does he kill his meal ticket, orphan his kids, etc--it doesnt make sense to me (or to him--"power beyond my control drove it down some how", it really confuses me, i dont know if it works, it makes me really meloncholy, but its almost kind of manipulitive.
8) countrier then though is an update of fuck this town, and it has a nice dig to bush, but come on, fulk is the perfect example of the carpet bagging that he is mocking here (a point that bluenecks make...) i also think boston jew (unless its an oblique reference to lomax or smith or one of those fellows that im not getting) reminds me of his line about faggots in fuck this town or the racial implications of white manes bourban
9) another cheating song, fulks is much better in details, the actual mentioning of cheap hotel, all of the details, all of the little things no one else notices, and it reminds me again, of all the details, all the implications, the playing out of illicit fucking, that was all over womack---is this the boys version of that girls text? (four walls and a bed/is all we need/to keep these bodies fed" is an amazing line too, fulks can actually write, and he reminds me of the short stories of indie poets like the silver jews guy or john darnielle.
10) hes playing a role, hes doing anthropology, and sometimes it convinces me to the core, and sometimes it seems cheap showmanship, an dsometimes i feel the same way both at the same time, which really seems to be the central point--love, money, etc are a varration of masquerdaes, but that seems a really banal observation and i dont know why it bothers me, when oldham doesnt...
11) his discussion of actually leaving places, of going from one city to the other, his nomadacy as escape from normalcy, really actually works for me.
12) i think i like fulks, and i think this is his strong album, but it tries too hard to be "country" as opposed to working thru the lyrics/music organically....

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anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 March 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know, Chuck, but bear in mind that I've been a huge fan of soul for a long time, and do know quite a lot about it (though not as much as Eddie, I'm pretty sure). The odd track does get on compilations of one sort or another, which suggests that Moody isn't incredibly obscure - but I don't even know exactly where he worked or anything, so he isn't famous either, clearly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, that's another chance to highlight my one article on music, for Freaky Trigger a while ago - and it perhaps shows why I was very familiar with George Jackson, since this is also about Hi territory: http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/essays/2004/11/everything-they-say-about-soul-is_13.html

(yes, I am aware of the absurdity of wandering onto a thread starring Frank Kogan and Chuck Eddy and saying 'hey, read my writing about music!')

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah but Martin they're the ones most likely to actually read it!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 13 March 2006 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Already read it, actually. Maybe sometime, somewhere (if someone would pay me to have a music column), I'll write something about how singing with feeling does not necessarily require feeling while singing.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 March 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Brief shots before I get back to wrestling with whatever's blocking me from finishing my review of the Veronicas.

Agree with jako upthread about Jessi Colter's voice: weathered without being decimated or elderly, a lot more left than either Bare or Lynn. That said, and this is only after one listen, but so far this doesn't come close to the Bare or Lynn; on most of the tracks it's only the voice that's speaking to me, the songs taking the same in-one-ear-out-the-other trip as much much much recent blues. I can't explain it, especially seeing as how a couple days ago "One Way Out" was doing its work of pouring like glue into my mind and gut. Maybe with me and blues it's either special or it's zero.

A couple of songs, though, reach me: "Starman," and especially "So Many Things," which sounds simultaneously like a lament and an incantation, chords going around and around while her voice quietly lays down its devastating tones. I haven't checked yet as to whether its words have anything to do with devastation, and the three songs that immediately come to mind when I hear this are Pajama Party's "Over and Over," the Dells' "There Is," and Jefferson Starship's "A Child Is Coming," all of which are far more noisy and exuberant than this one, none of which I would think to call devastating, but all three have that sense of reaching up and calling down while chords circle dramatically underneath them. Whatever I mean that; Bowie's "Man Who Sold the World" has the same feel. (Five songs from five different genres.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I did mark another five songs on the Colter as "pretty good," so I'll will give the thing as a whole more spins.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Whatever I mean by that.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

(And Bowie was a Starman too, obviously.) (As were the Starshippers, I guess.)

And Martin, I will try to read that piece tomorrow.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 March 2006 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Got Patty Loveless's Dreamin' My Dreams and the Dixie Chicks' Fly from the library. Loveless has thick loveliness in her voice, I'd wrap my arms around that voice, but where are the songs? (This is after only one listen.)

Natalie Maines may be the best singer in the world when she's cracking her whip. It's she not Gretchen whom Miranda Lambert reminds me of. But you know, this isn't as good as Kerosene. I don't think the problem is the songs per se. "Ready to Run," "Goodbye Earl," and "Sin Wagon" are fabulous - whip crackers all three, but with beauty in 'em too, and the other songs all are decent enough. Somewhere, though, in the arrangements or the approach there's the lure of decorousness. Not sure what's wrong (and it's not that wrong; this is a good album); maybe the voice and style are too appropriate to each song, so each comes off as "what you'd expect for that particular type of song."

I'm not being articulate about this, am I? These women are live wires, but maybe that's them, not their taste, which is merely So Cal country-rock. So something has to jostle them. We'll see what's to come. I'm looking forward to the next one.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, Veronicas, who don't belong on this thread, but whose "4ever" is vying with Aly & AJ's "Rush" for godhead songs of the year, both on the basis of dramatic verses but even more on the basis of absolutely piercing penetrating x-ray harmonies on the choruses, every bit as vibrant and insanely sweet as the early Beatles and Byrds, before those bands "grew" out of it.

But my rudiments of music theory don't extend to my understanding what's happening with close-sung harmonies. And so here's my question: Everly Brothers, and through them Louvins and others, are in the ancestry of this music. Right? Or am I wrong? When I heard "Cathy's Clown," about fifteen years after it came out, this was like finding the Rosetta Stone. "Oh, that's the Beatles, "All I Wanna Do," "Not a Second Time." And then the Byrds drawing from folk, "Wild Mountain Thyme." So where is this coming from? Its insane sweetness was new, but the sound didn't come out of nowhere. (And am I right about "Rush" and "4ever" belonging to this line, or are they from somewhere else? Is there a music theorist in the house?)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

have you read my review of the kogan, its got a fucked against the jukebox, regret it in the morning feeling

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 13 March 2006 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link

veronicas, kogan

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 13 March 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

And so here's my question: Everly Brothers, and through them Louvins and others, are in the ancestry of this music. Right?

I haven't heard the Veronicas yet, so can't speak to that, but as a general quesiton about Beatle/Byrd-esque harmonies and their off-shoots, oh yeah, most definitely. Another significant close harmony source would be The Blue Sky Boys, who don't get the props they deserve, though I think they predate the Louvins.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 13 March 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link

so yeah, "so many things," the song on jessi colter's album that frank loves, was one of the ones where the swirl and space reminded me of dusty springfield's "windmills of your mind" up above; that one and the comparably spacious "the canyon," which comes right after it and usually hits me as an extension of the same song, are really growing on me, and it occurs to me that their aesthetic has as much to do with the sound of the bare album last year as the lynn album the year before. i'm also starting to like "you can pick 'em" (where jessi gives her man, or anyway some man, a hard time for his history of ladyfriend disasters and the towns they come from) and "velvet and steel," blues stomps which sound completely monolithic (though i wish they didn't) but still pretty tough. and i have no problem with the dylan cover, though i could easily imagine more interesting dylan songs she could have done. but the gospel opener "his eye is on the sparrow" really isn't doing much for me, and "the phoenix rises" actually starts to sound less interesting with repeated plays (i guess its one attraction is how its volume picks up, like a phoenix rising out of the you-know-what, but it still never *soars* like i want it to), and sorry, but "out of the rain" is horrible - waylon's vocal (from when he was still alive, so i'm allowed to say this) sounds absolutely lifeless; as usual but even more so than usual, i have trouble hearing what people think is so great about it. and in general, album wide, the songwriting ranks somewhere between so-what and non-existent; jessi's voice really deserved WORDS, but she didn't get many. still, "starman" just sounds better and better to me.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 March 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"Starman" is the Colter song that keeps coming back to me, keeps renewing itself. It's too bad she opens with the gospel song because it's one of the worst there, almost doing gospel just to get credit and then move on.

werner T., Monday, 13 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

(Chuck, don't feel obliged - I was an editor myself, and I am guessing that you have to read countless third-rate music articles, and this is one you aren't being paid for.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

So Tim McGraw has two new songs from his new greatest hits album on the Billboard country singles chart this week - "When the Stars Go Blue," written by Ryan Adams, and "I've Got Friends That Do." Do what?

Also, a singer named Megan Mullins on indie label Broken Bow has a single at #52. Has anybody heard any of these songs? Are they good?

ANOTHER black woman country singer from cdbbaby: Buffalo-born Dionne Chin, more blatantly bluesy and even boogiefied than Miko Marks or Rhonda Towns. First track has rockabilly yelps and almost sounds pub rock; second song has goes light-Celine-Dion-melisma; third song has '80s new wave AOR production and a slight Shania tinge; "House of Broken Love" is a a harder boogie with a dark mood: Dionne "dealing with the devil" like Terri Gibbs in "Somebody's Knockin'"; "Country From My Boots On Up" is about how Music Row only wants to sing blond white girls "bright of eye and under 21" and "from the south"; "I Want It All" ends with soul-sister/gospel backup that sounds a lot like the backup on Mellencamp's *Lonesome Jubilee*; catchy closer has Dionne saying she'll take the wheel when they hit Mobile. Versatile!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

wants to SIGN blond white girls etc

and her name is Dionne CHINN (with two n's).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of close-sung, Roug Shop's "Far Past the Outskirts" is playing. One about a train that is hellbound. This seems like alt- that has grits and humor; Jon Langford, hire whoever is singing "Everything You Love Will Be Carrie Away" here--droll fatalism, driving thru Virginia drunk and on Ecstasy, sounds like. Anne Tkach, I think. Anyway, got a bit of that ol' Fairport Convention luddite-bright stomp to it, sounds like. Might just end up liking this a lot--Roy, this is what you'd talked about sending a while back?

I'm going to dig around for info on Moody Scott in the next few days. And Martin, you the man on soul, seems to me; and I want to read your George Jackson thing...
xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Reckless Kelly featuring Joe Ely doing "Rider in the Rain" sound great on imminent Randy Newman tribute CD on Sugar Hill; Del McCoury doing "Birmingham" sounds good. The rest, I'm not so sure of yet, but I'm pretty sure Steve Earle (who does "Rednecks") still has no business attempting to sing. And I never did like that "Keep Your Hat On" song much.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i am a little confusd by the wooden shoes/marrinettes things, and i think the insturmentation is a little loud, but the lyrix are really gorgeous, and i am liking his voice more and more--hoping i guess for something more understated on the new tim mcgraw

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Back from the long and winding homework/spam, of various forks and other implements in the road. (xxhuxx, you got my Shack Shakers, rat? Sent it on one of your busiest edays, it now occurs to me.)Just now added some stuff about The Outsider to a remixed CharLoaf profile of Crowell. Boy, I wish I'd listened to this more when it first came out. Really grew on me, the way his artpop smarts balance the preachiness, and intentionally so: he's well aware of his own limitations, especially in these times any times, but especially these, and I get the sense that his life, as reflected in the fact that he's one of the few musical or other geezers who's still learning, is getting better as The Situation gets worse,which is something eh). And I just got this Edd tape, incl the Everlys' Two Yanks In England (orig 1966, reissued by Collectors Choice 05), which Edd brought up when we were first discussing The Outsider on the Rolling 2005 Thread. (Speaking of geezer artpop smarts, Todd Rundgren's sounding pretty decent with The New Cars on the Tonight Show as I write this.) I can dub it for you, Frank, if you're still curious about the Everlys (and prob Roots and Songs Our Daddy taught us would be illuminating, but I don't have those). And yeah, they sound like the Daddys of the Rodneys. (icnl The Outsider and what he was doing when if not before he and his Cherry Bombs were hanging out with Nick and Carlene and Dave and Rockpile). They sound perfectly at home, invading the British Invasion. I do wish they did a few more of their songs and a few less of the Hollies, or more of the Hollies' hits, rather than some that are clunky verbose,in that shadow-of-the-Beatles-and-Dylan-damaged 60s way, neither making it as passionatetly adolescent wordspew, nor a show of chops, dognose But! Edd adds rather exhilarating (also mid-60s) bonus tracks, and I gotta admit the Hollies wrote several of my fave raves even before that. Like "Fifi The Flea." One of those that (like even some of the best Beatles and Dylan) would look not so hot as words on paper, but the tune and the singing add sooo much. (Like"Mood Ring," by Paul Thorn, who also wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," at least when I heard him live on the radio, just voice and guitar, it was spooky as "Fifi.") The Everlys' "Things Go Better With Coke" works about as well, I swear, and is the prefect ending to Side A. Thankks Edd!

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I'll let those typos stand, and Side B of the Edd tape has Stoney Edwards's Mississippi You're On My Mind (Capitol 1975; don't think his albums have made it to CD, have they, Edd). In there between Charlie Pride and Merle (and I think I'd hear it that way even if I didn't know he was black). The richness of his voice, and the way he sounds at home and basically at ease in his own skin makes the pain he sings about and through go so well with and for the good times. He sings about loss, but "We Sure Danced Us Some Good 'Uns" and "We're Learing How To Smile Again" are something to live up to (for him too: the former song is what he likes to think Mama and Papa said to each other; the latter is very much present tense, work in progress. These could both be so nothing, from so many other singers.) And "Hank And Lefty Raised My Country Soul" is kinda hurt-so-good: "Daddy said Hank made the hairs on the back of his neck crawl." "The Cute Little Waitress" said "yes" to his proposal, but that don't keep him from (in fact, it confirms him in)railing at the barkeep about how she's the only worthwhile thang in this dump. the title track is fervently home sweet home in the first verse, but past the moneyshot chorus, he's ODing on Mother Nature, and sunstroked, hoping to make it the creek "before I'm fried." After that,Joe Tex tracks from Soul Country(Dial 1968): several Top Forty covers, but my fave is the one I think he wrote, with his beyond-"Fifi"/"Mood Ring" touch, about risking his hip and his lip for you, with the reminder that "You know I love my lip, and I love my hip," so no small price is he willing to pay, baybay. After this, he certainly deserves to cover "King Of The Road," so he does. Oh yeah, the Rodney mix ("The Sorceress's Apprentice") is posted here: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link

And now to check Martin's links

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone watched the first episode of the new season of nashville star, for somone whos motto is love anyone john rich can bw both cryptic and bitchy--but of the 10 singers, too many belters, and not enough ballads,

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(after reading Martin's piece)Oh yeah, now that's what I'm talkin about, or meant to. The bit about how "amazing" it is that a blackperson could pick a good rockpop song is but one example of how this essay would grace Rip It Up: The Black Experience In Rock 'n' Roll (Kandia Crazy Horse, ed.) And yeah again we must bust stupid use of "solipsism" (see also the thread about Frank's book). And the lack of Al Jackson and other crucial contributors (you cite) might well be why Al and Willie weren't quite as Together Again on the Blue Note comeback as I'd hoped. (Took a while to ignite, that 'un.)

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

also, im really pleased the yodeller didnt lose this week. BRING BACK THE YODEL

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah Anthony, Rich could get cranky on "Muzik Mafia" (short-lived CMT "reality" show. Like (just *one* example)when the very positive Times review mentioned that their NYC three-ring debut was "a little rough" re picking up cues etc, at times, he had a hissyfit about them dayumn Yankee foofoos etc., even though (especially cos?) Big and Gretchie and Troy agreed with the review. xpost guys, I don't remember what I said on here before, but yeah "Eye Is On the Sparrow" and "Rainy Day Women" are kinda clunky (the former moreso, esp. as opener), and yeah it's more about her voice, but overall it works, so far. Some good Jessi tracks were added to the Wanted: The Outlaw comp,when it was reissued several years ago.

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Not all of Stoney Edwards's stuff has made it onto CD yet, as far as I can tell, but I think there's a best of and a twofer. I think he's aces.

My copy of the Rhonda Towns (her name makes me think of former mining communities in South Wales but that's British people for you) arrived yesterday. First reaction is that it's mixed but when it hits, it really hits. I can't get enough of this slightly retro sounding modern country(politan), further recommendations welcomed.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's one, Tim (again, see what I say about her up above as well):

http://cdbaby.com/cd/mikomarks

And this is the Stoney Edwards CD comp I swear by:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:cze997y0krrt

It occurs to me that one thing I hate about Steve Earle's version of "Rednecks" is that he really overplays its conceit, trying way too hard to sing it *like* a redneck (which Randy didn't really need to do at all), and it comes out ridiculous. I also have a feeling that Earle thinks using the N-word is hugely transgressive or some shit; he seems to give it this emphasis for no reason, like "look at me, I'm saying 'nigger', am I a renegade or what?" Though maybe I just imagined that. In contrast, Sonny Landreth (who has never done anything for me, inasmuch as I remember listening to him) really *underplays* "Louisiana 1927," and it's not great, but I don't mind it nearly as much. Maybe it's just that it would be really hard for *anybody* to do that song unmovingly now. (Well, except Steve Earle maybe, if he tried it.) Album also has the Duhks doing "Political Science," by the way, which I look forward to coming up on my random CD changer but it hasn't yet, and I've been too lazy to go un-random.

And Don, yes, I did get your Shackshakers thing. Thanks.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

(I mean Earle gives the n-word EXTRA emphasis.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

that's pretty much my criticism of Earle on the Sugar Hill Newman comp. there's probably no way to be more transgressive than the original of "Rednecks." and "transgressive" is a stupid word, probably, for Newman's songs, unless you think the whole of the American Experiment is Transgressive. anyway, I've heard stories of southern audiences put...off...by that "Good Old Boys" stuff, and recently. the way to do songs like that is just dead calm, as Newman proved on "Sail Away." just sing it, fuck, with a Randy Newman song, you're got all you need right there.

obviously, I'm a fan of Newman's, altho sometimes the cheap shots are a bit much, and it's not the sort of expansive, life-affirming music that I need to counterbalance my dark nites of the soul, etc.

and Don, shit, you absolutely need the Everly's "Roots." If you like the one I sent you. There are maybe 6 or 7 essential "country-rock" records, I went back and listened to a ton of that crap recently, and "Roots" probably beats 'em all except for maybe "Gilded Palace."

well, I'm having no problems with Jessi's record, after a few listens. I really love "Starman" and "You Can Pick 'Em" and "Out of the Rain," somehow the laggy electric piano on this record seems to establish a mood that's reflective but not too wet--she's wandering around the desert and she's staying cool, hydrated, remembering how Waylon used to laugh, maybe. for me, simple-minded fool I am, I just love the groove on most of this, like on "Velvet and Steel." and how she doesn't try too hard to be sexy, like she needs to try.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

So wow, any thoughts on DALE (as opposed to Gene, who I probably used to confuse him with) Watson? His "Way Down Texas Way" song on that *Rollergirls* soundtrack is great, and his new *Whiskey or God*, on first listen, sounds as good as any country album I've heard this year. HARD-ASSED hard-drinking honky tonk stuff, with at least one totally funky truckdriver rap song and a song about going insane and TONS of swing, Western and otherwise. On Palo Duro Records out of Tenneesse. Didn't he used to have actual hits? What were they? Either way, he's great. Does anybody know what his best earlier albums are?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(He also does some Tex-Mex stuff in Spanish.) Anyway, his album reminded me of this, which I posted on last year's thread (and later toned down the "kicks much ass" claim, but it's still relevant):

Shotgun Shack (see www.shotgun-shack.com) "My Guitar is a Memory" is really good if you think of it as a single with four extraneous alt-country B-sides ("recorded live one afternoon at Loho Studios in NYC"), less so if you think of it as an EP; your choice. I guess the second best song is "Welcome Back to the Nest." Title cut (opening couplet: "I got left outside of Austin, my guitar's still in the truck/Daaaaale Watson says he just ran out of luck") kicks much ass.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), November 16th, 2005.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw most Nashville Star on USA last night. Checked out in the middle to do something productive because the contestants, winnowed down from 20,000 by Big & Rich, Phil Vassar, and some dame are all basically local pros. They have their websites, their fan buses, they all look good, most of them outstanding. Judging them is a petty business because it's just a gut thing or waiting for someone to do something inappropriate in their ebullience. Or just plain choke.

All the contestants are so supremely confident, ambitious and grandiose in their plans, they're unnerving. But that's a common trait, I suppose, in reality 'reach for your dream' TV. You can't be a nebbish with a bit of doubt or desperation in your eye, until you get voted off, like Jewels Harrison did last night.

Criticisms wind up sounding stupid. Big could think of nothing to say that was clever one time so he chirped at the next to last guy for having too many of Steve Earle's stage moves. Shut it, Big. The dude was fine.

B&R opened the show with their hard rockin' "Comin' To You City." I can't follow the reasoning behind putting the midget/dwarf/little person with God Bless Tiny Tim canes/crutches onstage to rock out and grimace at the TV audience. This is bad practice and has to be stopped.

Cowboy Troy plays the comic foil/boob to Wynonna. I think the plan is to make the routine like the Sonny & Cher show if you remember that. I doubt if I'll be able to stick with it for the whole eight episodes.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of close-sung, Roug Shop's "Far Past the Outskirts" is playing

Thanks for giving it a spin, Edd. I'm in Austin now (I'll keep my eyes out for you Josh; or drop me a line if you're checking the board) with a shitty wi-fi connection in my hotel room--apparently, if I stand on one foot and point the laptop northeast while humming "All My Exs Live in Texas", I get a connection.

Anyways, that's Anne Tkach (ex-Hazeldine and Nadine bassist) singing "Everything You Love", which I co-wrote with my friend Michael Friedman (who is not in the band), and Andy Ploof doing the Richard Thompsony guitar on "Hellbound Train" (a trad arr song, which Chuck Berry also cut), and yeah, I think you're right about the Fairporty qualities. But they're all friends, great people, so I'm not objective, but glad you're enjoying. If anybody else wants a copy (hey don, I need to send you one; drop me a line), just write.

I'm seeing The Mammals tomorrow, maybe Jessi Colter and Roky Erikson tonight. I'll report back.....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I've been seeing the promo spots for Wynnonna (I think she should change her name to this, like Betty LaVett becoming Bettye LaVette) and C-boy Troy. the one I remember, Wynonnaa was getting miffed because Troy was having a big party, like she couldn't kick his ass and eat up all his dip in a flash. and when you say "local pros," George, that is what I was afraid of. local pros are everywhere.

I guess the Newman thing isn't bad, having to choose from Sugarhill artists. I mean the possibilities are infinite; but I myself do just like to think about Del McCoury's thought-processes as he sings "Birmingham." did he know the song? probably, because there's really no such thing as local pros any more, and Del's hip. but actually he's boring doing "Birmingham." and it does sorta defeat him. "Rider in the Rain" suits Willy Braun of Reckless Kelly, this kind of artificial sorrow suits him too. but I coulda thought up, any one of us could have thought up, more interesting pairings. Toby Keith doing "Davey the Fat Boy." Gary Allan doing "Lucinda." Faith Hill doing "I Wish It Would Rain Today." Big & Rich doing one like "Political Science" or "It's Money I Love" from "Born Again."
xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Wynonnaa was getting miffed because Troy was having a big party

Yep, that's the routine. Troy acts like a goof, she looks slightly annoyed, cocks her eyebrows, makes a face or says something very vaguely
put down. It's really watered down Sonny & Cher.

The entire concept of open call auditions for 20,000 must appeal to an American chump's 'egalitarian' sense. But with a record contract at stake it's only an illusion. Realistically, the only people that are going to get on TV are those already polished to the state of readymade.

No Ted Mack's Amateur Hour. Most of the contestants seem technically better than the people whose names you didn't know on "Hee-haw."

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xp:

eh, AMG seems to be saying that Dale Watson has mainly recorded for indies (Hightone, Audium, Koch), and just since the mid '90s, so no, probably no hits. (I was probably confusing those with Gene's, too.)

> It's really watered down Sonny & Cher.<

And wasn't Sonny & Cher mostly watered down Louis Prima and Keely Smith in the first place? At least that's the idea I've always had.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know -- it always seemed to me my parents like the Sonny & Cher show for their mildly antagonistic comedy routine. The skits, what I remember of them, were often painful. I can see Cowboy Troy as the host of a variety show. Rich was annoying for most of the show. He had a rat-like whine when giving his opinion, even if it was a good one. That said, I liked B&R's performance just fine, except for the midget/dwarf/very small person with big head and that was off to the side so if you wanted to glance away you could.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

But the most awkward moment for the midget/dwarf/very small person was when he conducted the exit interview with cast off Jewels (who did over emote on Montgomery Gentry's "Gone") and told her to "hit the bricks." Cold even for cold reality TV.

werner T., Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah,or when you see this one-eyed midget shouting the word "NOW". and you very reasonably ask, "For what reason?" (Although that may indicate English is your second language, you gotta right.) And he says, "How?" and of course you say, "What does this mean?" And he scream back, "You're a COOOWWW, GIVE ME SOME MILK OR ELSE GO HOME." I hate it when that happens. But she'll probably outlive the little turd. Speaking of short people, also worth checking is the Rhino two-disc reissue of Good Ol' Boys, with the demo album Johnny Cutler's Birthday, which was the origin of several songs that made it onto Boys, and has a bunch of others. Johhny's an early 70s B'ham bluecollar workadaddy who lives in those apartments up under the rusty balls of the statue of Vulcan, on Red Mountain. I knew that neighborhood too well back then; how does Ran' know? Disconcerting. also re Ran' there's this: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0404/allred2.php
As for Earle's and other transgressive transmissions in the country, see "That Home Across The Road":
http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html (you might have to scroll past some other goodies by Haiku Boy and me, but that's okay. Great to hear that Stoney did make it to CD thanks)

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Cowboy Troy guested on WWE Raw this week, in what I guess was some cross-promotional exercise. He didn't wrestle. It occurs to me that Big & Rich would be a perfectly good name for a tag team - it could have been used when The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase hired 7'4 Andre The Giant, actually.

Thank you, Don! I think there are all kinds of other reasons why the reunited Green and Mitchell didn't work like the old days. Even if they'd had the old musicians (many are still available - I saw them playing together last year), they would still not have come up with a record to match any of Al Green's '70s Hi albums.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

black sage, *jack's corner*, cdbaby self-release (came out way back in 1998 apparently) somewhere between alt- and pop- country from tustin, california (which i'm guessing might be out in the desert somewhere since the desert's frequently in the lyrics); actually, they emphasize on the cdbaby page how DANCEABLE they are, which i can totally see, so maybe "dance-country" would make the most sense. singer Kathy Ochiai (raised on Linda Ronstadt, the Eagles, and Bonnie Rait, cdbaby says) seems like a real sweetie, and no wallflower when singing, but also far from a professional belter. She sings about marriage a lot: there's a wedding waltz (in fact i think they call it one on the webpage) called "til death do us part" (only track where a guy also sings, I think) followed immediately by a really loveable soft bawdy blues about how it's okay for married women to look at and flirt with other guys (a couple of whom are presented as being traditionally hot/handsome, but one of whom is "pleasingly plump" and losing his hair, yet apparently attractive regardless - how often do you hear songs about THAT, in ANY genre?), at work or at the "tri-city mall" or at a dinner party where Mister Pib is served. And there's another song about an office flirtation and/or romance later, where the boss reads their email, which rhymes with female, and the principle characters meet by the water cooler. And the singer's sister surfs the Internet in the song about going going to the county fair, which uses "Indian Outlaw"/"Indian Reservation" style tom-toms and bellydance/snakecharmer guitar lines but has no questionable lines about either American Indians nor Indian ones, so I guess they just line the sounds, cool! And the opener is also a total flirt, with Kathy telling a guy all the places she'll meet up with him and go skinnydipping and stuff. So: Sexy! And "Jack's Corner" is even more an advertising jingle for a (real or imaginary) smalltown corner bar/restaruant than the Kentucky Headhunters singing let's go down to Dumas Walker's, and later there's a song about a waitress named Oleander at a different restaurant who's poison because she doesn't want love and just needs guys to quench her thirst out there in the desert. And what else? Oh yeah, a traditonally droning folk song (just about the only non-upbeat song on the record) about pregnancy, birth, and early death, but Kathy doesn't SING it like a gloomy folk schoolmarm; she brings it to life despite its drone. And the closer is, well, at first I thought "Tex-Mex polka," but then the words turned French so maybe it's more cajun or zydeco instead, I dunno. Catchy record, and very homemade in that there's something simple, even awkward, about so many of the melodies (Kathy seems more sure of herself as a singer and songwriter than as a tunesmith, though sometimes the words don't even rhyme when you expect to; in fact, she says on the cdbaby page that she wrote the songs for "a virtuoso country singer" who never got around to recording them, so her husband encouraged her to record them herself), but that doesn't really make the record any less endearing, as far as I'm concerned.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A few typos in there (line = like, etc), sorry.

More explanation from the cdbaby page: "'Jack's Corner' is named after a tiny bar surrounded by sage-covered cattle grazing land that has survived the local development of southern California. Although you may work amongst the traffic and congestion of the city, you can drive for about a half an hour down a beautiful country road and come to this very special place where you can dance the night away."

And it occurs to me that lots of the CD takes place in SUBURBIA, really. So I may well be wrong about the desert, who knows. (Also, as anybody who has seen my second book might realize, I totally have a soft spot for Working-Woman Rock).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I know people who live in desert suburbs, incl Cali (& AZ & TX)It's getting drier out there (out here too), critters coming further into town, somebody should do a song about that, probably have. Lots of burbs seem like deserts, one way or another. (Gosh that's not very cheerful. I like night skies over the desert.)

don, Thursday, 16 March 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, so Kathy Ochiai emailed me, asking me what I thought of Black Sage's CD, and when I told her, she said that her and her husband's 20th wedding anniversary was yesterday. What a weird coincidence! (BTW: Frank, Don, and Edd, I sent you all extra copies of the CD.)

I'm pretty much done with the Randy Newman tribute, I think. Starting to think the Restless Kelly/Joe Ely cut isn't quite as great as I say above, and the Earle cut not quite as horrible. (I'm not sure I was right about the stress he gives the n-word, either.)Duhks' "Political Science" is kinda cool, a nice Dixieland-style move for them, and funniest when they drop the bomb on their sweet home Canada of course.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

from US Charts thread, interesting:

New in the 50: Most intriguing one, though perhaps mainly from a British perspective, is Rascal Flatts at #49 with 'What Hurts The Most', the song that ex-S Club lead singer Jo O'Meara attempted to launch her solo career in the UK with last year. Over here, it peaked at #13 then vanished without trace. Its American progress may be slightly more successful, you'd reckon...

-- William Bloody Swygart (thingummy9...), March 16th, 2006.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw a presentation of his musical, In The Name Of The Father, I think it was called, on Austin City Limits. About his own father's early experiences in Mexico and America. Good, but of course a bunch of people were involved, I don't know how a whole album of him in the spotlight would be.Kind of a thin voice, yeah. Anybody heard Rabbit Fur Coat, by Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins? Ken Tucker reviewed it on Fresh Air, and played some excerpts, which were very appealing, moreso than what I've heard of Rilo Kiley, although I haven't heard a whole album of them either. Brooding, wry, spry, poignant enough. (kind of a Girl Group effect,to some extent, though not retro-literalist about it.)Seems like might fit with Amy Rigby, although Jenny might possibly be a better singer (tho' these were just excerpts) lkg fwd to Kathy & co.xhx thx

don, Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the consensus on Tim McGraw's cover of "When the Stars Go Blue"? That was my favorite from Ryan Adams's Gold album and I'm curious to know if he did anything interesting with it. (I didn't think the Coors/Bono version was an improvement, fwiw.) For years I thought Tim was nothing but eye candy but his tastes in covers have started to pique my interest.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

creepiest cdbaby page i've seen (and no, i'm not gonna listen to the thing, are you nuts?)

http://cdbaby_com/cd/j0hnnyrebel [not real link -- mods]

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

And I wasn't aware of these; has anybody heard Shania's alleged late '80s rock stuff?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain2

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain

I had a copy of one a mid '90s pre-stardom CD by her once, but wasn't very impressed.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

(not really sure why I posted that johnny rebel link...just shocked by it, i guess. i know cdbaby pages are self-posted, but I would've thought the site would have some kind of weeding or monitoring process that would draw the line at the KKK, but I guess not.)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

(and looks like there are at least 2 MORE cdbaby CDs collecting those paul sabu-produced shania sessions - four CDs total, four different covers. i bet some people collect them all!)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 16th, 2006.

I have not heard it yet, but isn't this new one produced by John Cale? Alejandro has always proclaimed his love for slow-tempoed Velvets and Mott the Hoople songs, and he crossed that with a bit of country and Mexican sounds to create that atmospheric minor chord approach of his.
One of his recent cds was produced by Chris Stamey I think, who pushed/encouraged Alejandro into writing an upbeat pop # or 2. I have always liked him live, but the last time I saw him(with several cello players, a violinist and more)I had the impression that his songwriting had gotten into a rut. But I was just glad to see him alive frankly, as he had been in the hospital suffering from hepatitis c and other ailments. He was sitting down for the whole show.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Cale produced it. But I'm guessing, from the sound and from what you say, that Alejandro must be one of those guys who bizarrely believes that the Velvets (and Mott?!) were polite parlor-room chamber musicians rather than bands who knew how to rock and roll. Too bad. (I never liked the Cowboy Junkies or Galaxie 500, either, though, so what do I know?)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I am glad to hear he's beating the Hep C, though. Sad to hear, but good for him.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Alejandro has done noisy Stooges and Ramones covers for years as encores, and always talks fondly about his memories seeing such groups. Remember, now 50 something Alejandro was in the San Fran 70s punk band the Nuns before he went the roots and alt-country route. He knows how to rock, he just chooses not to. I wish he'd mix it up and do a little of both.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Might be good to get that J R link deleted, before some of his fangoons show up. Wasn't Alejandro also in Rank And File for a while? And he was in the loud True Believers (three guitars, I think). Started early, maybe he just got louded out, by the time he became an Austin icon of chamber alt (ND's Artist Of The Decade). Kid brother of Santana's Coke Escovedo,and they're uncles of Sheila E.

don, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, good point about JR link Don; I just made a moderator request to delete it. (And if any mods see this, please do so, thanks.)

My review of my favorite current band featuring an Escovedo is here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0344,eddy,48162,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

Yeah, it was piling on. Unsportsmanlike conduct, personal foul, fifteen yards and ejection from game. Jewels was left for last, which is hard, you could see it coming with the judges who were having a hard time distinguishing between the polish, so the last person up gets dinged for overcooking it somewhat in front of the TV audience.

Cowboy Troy would be good in a redo of that abominable Chuck Norris series about two Texas marshalls who administer savage beatings to a few people -- er, varmints -- every episode. Troy would be great for the sidekind, better than the original sidekick. He's bigger for one, and he could unsling his belt and use it as a lash, bonking people -- er, varmints, in the head with the giant oval belt buckle.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, I took one for the team and listened to Johnny Rebel. Like it sez, the "band" plays swampbilly. Sort of old timey as in 50's - 60's but pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone. "Looking for a Handout" is probably the least offensive. By themselves, ignoring the lyrics, the tunes are catchy. Hard to tell if it sold like hotcakes as claimed. Interesting to see the claim made as segregationist music, not in an art or political sense, but for a buck because it was what they could sell.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, not trying to be impatient, but shouldn't that Johnny Rebel link be gone by now if the moderators told me hours ago on their forum they were taking care of it? Weird.

Anyway. Johanna Stahley's *I'm Not Perfect* (she's from NYC, I think) is a better Sheryl Crow album than the last Sheryl Crow album. Sounds more like when Sheryl liked beats, back in her "Leaving Las Vegas" days. First song is called "My Big O (I Can)," and, judging from the album cover photo, may well be about the singer's Big O and the achieving of it thereof. Also, she imitates Steve Tyler in it. Another highlight is the one where Johanna falls for a bartender. And even the songs with sorta dreary words don't sound like they do.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Some sites sell Coe's (self-) bootleg of x-rated material, which seems to be mostly sex, judging by the lyrics I've read, though there's one about interracial sex, which uses the n-word, and a subset of these sites also sell J*@## R#$%^& and other stuff, which they like to imply is Coe too, but he vehemently denies it on his own site. (No free links for him either, since he also may have done more n-word-ploitation, according to some reports.)(Didn't try to deal with this in the ancient Voice piece, xxhuxx, because I had even less firsthand knowledge then than now). And has been quoted (On fanboards) as denouncing racism in concert. (Though I think he may've been doing something else in a local show, something more ambiguous, at least,in his proto-Slim Shady devious way, back in the late 90s, cos we had people coming into the store the day after, looking for "that song," though they wouldn't quite say which one; just hopin' I'd know, yknow justbetweenus). Nick Tosches' book Country discusses some of the (J&**^ R**&^%) type of stuff.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

xp! (I typed this before seeing Don's post):

>pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone<

Interesting. This reminded me of some redneck asshole when I was in the Army who had what he claimed to be an underground racist "joke" LP by Coe (who I believe *did* use the "n"-word in one of his country hits, as some sort of stupid pun), but in searching on line, this website claims some such records attributed to Coe may have *been* Johnny Rebel:

http://www.answers.com/topic/david-allan-coe

Other websites say there were a couple such "X-rated" Coe albums sold under the name Mysterious Rhinestone Cowboy, exclusively to bikers via *Easy Riders* magazine, and at least one of the song titles sounds explicitly racist, so who knows? (I'm guessing the persona was Coe's equivalent of Clarence Reid's Blowfly? No idea how seriously he took it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(My google-proofing instincts aren't what Don's are, apparently. If somebody wants to camouflage JR's name, I've got no qualms. I never heard of the guy til yesterday; had no idea he was such a known entity beyond his cdbaby page)

The actual Coe hit with n-word I'm referring to is "If That Ain't Country": "working like a n***** for my room and board" (not a pun, I guess; I'd remembered it wrong.)

What makes Johanna Stanley's CD so boppy, I figured out, is how her bassist and drummer play full-on late '60s bubblegum soul beats in three straight songs in the middle -- "The Bartender Song," "What You're Doing," and "Misery," the latter of which doesn't sound miserable at all. Tapdancey alley-cat rhythm of "I'm Not Perfect" (a Rickie Lee or Norah Jones move?) and George Michael Diddleybeats of "Nothing I Would Change" are nice, too.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i used to have a boot of coe singing the line working like a nigger for my room and board--and it always made me a little sick.

i think that for a variety of reasons (research, vehement anti censorship, free speech, the only thing that kills mould is sunshine, historical value) that johnny rebel should be availble, and that it was wrong to ask cd baby to take it down. though i am often a hypocrite about this, and sometimes my analysis and yellign seems like a calling for censorship, and i most lilkely feel worse about other words

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Who asked Cdbaby to take it down? I'm just surprised they didn't remove it on their own. (And of course it'd only be "censorship" if a law was passed demanding they take it down. Which I would oppose.) (Though not as much as I'd oppose a law telling them to take down the sundry r&b records for toe fetishists and goth records for s&m fetishists I've seen on there.) (Maybe Anthony misunderstood my remark about the moderators? I was referring to the ILX moderators; Don suggested the J.R. link be removed from *this thread.* Which I agree with; in fact, if you look above, I was regretting posting it mere seconds after I did.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

No, we weren't asking cdbaby to take it down. The "working like" line has never seemed gratuitous to (old white Southern) me, because it(cunningly, re xpost ambiguShadyploitation) fits the context of declaring his redneck credentials, and adds to them: not only cause of using the word, but because rednecks were given to understand that they weren't *quite* as exploited as the lowest caste/class was, or so they were spozed to think (and thank G-d for). But in practice, they (at least the lowest, White Trash, sub-Salt Of The Earth) shade of red might well find his or herself working like that. (Coe presents his family as being pretty no-class, in that song, some live renditions of which are epics of bad tooth, if-you-don't-got-it-flaunt-it selfloitation that preempt almost everything except maybe Larry The Cable Guy in Vegas, Ah suspect.)(when LTCG's not doing Family Entertainment on the Blue Collar Comedy Tour). By the way, I spell out "redneck" not because of reverse discrimination, but because it seems (somewhut)less likely to be googled by trolls than the other one. I hope so, anyway.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The URL was either altered or you posted it including an error, xhuxk. What is in the message is www.cdbaby_com/cd/johnnyrebel and that's the equiv of a nothing address. It looks altered by mod so anyone can see it and correct it to get to the page, which is what I did, with no fear of attracting trackbacks.

Anyway, the guy's voice in "Looking for a Handout" resembled David Allen Coe's.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link

And may be his, no matter what he said later (he says and does allkinsa)

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Not that his singing isn't pretty easy to imitate (even I can do it, to an extent).

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

apologies, misunderstood.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Coincidentally, there is a current radio show from the white power
organization, National Vanguard, that deals with this. Like it or not, across the net Coe is tied to Johnny Rebel, through a combination of denials, assertions that he did do some of this music, all coupled with an examination of some of his letter choons, so noted by xhuck. Wiki's biographical entry includes it. You can read the rest of the article by cutting and pasting the thing into your locator bar. The voice on the second tune cited again sounds, perhaps vaguely, like Coe.

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During America's sharp decline in the 1960s, there were a few bands that tried to compose some patriotic and pro-White music. I heard a few of these songs and they are really just god awful. The only pro-White music of any quality to come out of the 1960s and early 1970s, was with some American Country music, which has been lumped together to be called "Johnny Rebel." There were many different musicians touring the Southern honky tonks, playing these Johnny Rebel songs. There was one rather famous country singer that is rumored to have written most of the really popular of these songs, such as "Coon Town" and "Move those Niggers North," but if true, he wants to keep his identity private. There was even George Lincoln Rockwell who made an attempt at pro-White music with the band "Otis and the Three Bigots." Otis and his Bigots meant well, but the music was bad.


There were no mainstream record labels that would touch these songs, so they had no ability to become heard, let along rise in popularity. There was one famous Country music singer named David Allen Coe who used the word "Nigger" openly in a song in the 1970s. This song can still be heard in maybe 1,000 jukeboxes currently across America in small bars and restaurants. This song is "If that ain't Country." David Allen Coe also wrote another song that his mainstream record label refused to release. The name of this song says it all: "White Girl and a Nigger."

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George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

From metal thread; nothing about this guy is really country per se except the way he looks and sounds could EASILY appeal to Tim McGraw and Shooter Jennings fans respectively. (And also, Gretchen Wilson ably fills the Alison Moerer/Sheryl Crow role in "Picture" on the quite entertaining new live album by Kid Rock, who Huck is connected to, apparently):

>Also top of the playlist this weekend: Huck Johns, Detroit transplant to LA who google seems to suggest turned down a Velvet Revolver opening slot at least once. Looks like Tim McGraw to me, though I'm guessing he gave a lot more thought to picking his truckers hat and those Fleetwood Mac and Muddy Waters albums on the couch on the CD's back cover than Tim might give to more apparel choices. I won't hold that against him though. Album very much rocks, even the grunge parts, but especially maybe the tributes to "Highway to Hell" and ELO's "Turn to Stone", and the Seger "Ramblin Gamblin Man" cover and maybe more. (Which reminds me I need to get back to that live Kid Rock album soon too.) (Pretty funny too that Huck's Capitol Records subsidiary is called Hideout, same name as Seger and the Last Heard's label from Persecution Smith/East Side Story/Heavy Music daze.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

Huck Johns is sounding better and better. Turns out he's apparently from Lincoln Park, MI, and wrote a song for Kid Rock once, though I didn't know that when I put them in the same paragraph up above. Album is basically mostly '70s Ford assembly line singer-songwriter hard rock; the "grunge" I refer to above has to do with ballads that remind me somehow of Stone Temple Pilots, one of one which, "One Good Man" (which I guess doesn't remind *that* much of STP) may have a possible gay undercurrent, given that Huck's searching for one good man in it. In his liner notes Huck thanks not only eternal Detroit AOR station WRIF and Seger but also Johnny "Bee" Badanjek of Rockets/Ryder fame, and the producer is one Arthur Pennhallow Jr--interesting, since I swear I remember a guy named Arthur Penhallow being a longtime DJ on late '70s/early '80s Detroit rock stations. So now I'm wondering if Huck's some kind of local Michigan hit. Weird that the CD's on Capitol, given that it seems to have way more in common to what you'd find via cdbaby.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Huck Johns' influences from his myspace page. Frankie Miller and Ted too, hmmm.

Bon Scott, MC5, Bob Seger, AC-DC, Chris Cornell, STP, Rolling Stones, CCR, Pink Floyd, J. Geils, Ted Nugent, Frankie Miller, Faces, Otis Redding, Iggy, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Johnny Cash, Merle, Waylon, Willie

Sounds like I might even like it. If there's a pr e-mail or contact, send it my way so I can make a request.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

That info would be at work, George. I'll check on Monday, though.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Huck sounds like he's of the house and lineage of Akron-born, Grand-Funk-touring-with late 60s Coe. Were there other such back then? I'll have to dig up my early Creems, but the closest I can remember is a folksinger with attitude, not a country singer: Jonathan Round, who is decribed, in Rock-a-Rama, as doing a mock-Shakespearean "Sympathy For The Devil." (Before Bryan Ferry did his Tiny Tim Karloff version, and while the Stones were usually taken very seriously elsewhere in those pages.) And the reviewer say, "Aww whattya expect from a DEETROIT folksinger?" Made it look pretty good, but I never found it.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

re "on Capitol, but seems more like what you'd find on cdbaby": isn't Tea Leaf Green on cdbaby? But, despite being credited to "Greenhouse Music under exclusive license to Reincarnate Music" also says "manufactured in the USA by SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT (st address) under exclusive license from Reincarnate Music." so what still possibly passes for the Majors, infiltrating the indie frontier? Bet Tea Leaf Green hasn't seen any big bucks from Sony yet. Strange album. My opinion still hasn't firmed up yet, but the auteur, Trevor Gerrard, seems like he's got his own (lived)version of the riddling spiritual-emotional crisis-quest of Hunter-Garcia.(Singing kinda Garcia-Furay, which shouldn't suit my tastes at all, but somehow it kinda does.) But he isn't a guitarist, which might help the vocal, cos keeps resemblence from being the usual jamband-begging-and-faring-badly-by-close-comparison. (Plus it's not really a jamband.) He plays piano, more like Chuck Leavell than the Dead's keybists. The whole thing is tied to (and kept in line by)his electric piano: as aural metaphor/setting (sparkling waters! Stream, creek, sometimes river) for the early songs about struggling/sticking with his roots/insularity, or venturing forth. So he does both. the piano also sets the overall rhythmic pace, so the other instruments tend to rustle, except the guitar[kinda Duane or Derek T. or Warren Haynes most of the time, though can be a bit like Dickie or Eric or yeah Tom V.] is maybe something in the sky, but over and through the backside of the trees. "5000 Acres" an interesting change of stylistic shading, cos the most Verlaine-ish, and it does deal with a forest fire, and suddenly reminds me of Patti Smith's Television profile in mid-70s Rock Scene (before they'd recorded, except as Neon Boys): she says that Tom and Hell started a forest fire in Alabama, just to watch it burn. (Perhaps inspired by Randy Newman's "Let's Burn Down The Cornfield" ["and make love while it's burning"]?)Plus, it's one of the few Tea Leaf Green lyrics that seems to acknowledge something happening in the present-day outdoors, that's not yet totally processed by Trevor's diffusion. I mean his methods (as bandleader-composer, dynamically, and making the guitarist seem like a hireling) get a bit too same-o, after a while, same as so many CDs. (LPs were shorter, so same-o couldn't spread so far, not as often as on CDs.) But I still listen, and maybe Trevor's programming me, we'll see.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

from metal thread w/ typos fixed:

One caveat I gotta state about the Huck Jones album is that he probably does *too many* Stone Temple-style ballads. They're fine (less coagulated than STP's own early ballads were -- I'm talking STP in Pearl Jam not powerpop/glam mode here -- and, in Jones's "Forgiveness," almost more like a *Use Your Illusion* ballad done in a lower register), but they're really not the guy's best songs (so far I'm leaning toward lead cut/single "Oh Yeah," "Infatuation," ELO "Turn to Stone" rip "Kill Everything," and the Seger cover for those), and they seem too plentiful compared to his faster hard rock. Also STP's best songs weren't ballads anyway. But maybe a la Cargun, I'll decide Huck's aren't as grunge as they seem.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

This song can still be heard in maybe 1,000 jukeboxes currently across America in small bars and restaurants.

I'm betting Johnny Rebeltunes-type material is also popular in some enclaves of soCal. The LA Times went out and surveyed the white voters after the Bush victory, the counties that went for him which are in the interior deserts and such, also out to the Sierra's, and they sounded like Johnny Reb's. Mostly wanting to vote for Bush because they felt the Reps were better ready to do something about the 'illegals' and here's one quote paraphrased, 'cuz they carried/carry diseases and that's a threat to security. Same as 'Move them Niggers North," only 'Move Them Pickers South.'

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pickers" sought out (if not brought here, or mailordered) by those Free Enterprisers who pay without taxes or Workmen's Comp to worry about, if indeed they end up paying los illegals at all. (What are they gonna do, complain to Uncle Sam?)Somehow such employers never seem to be the targets of such ire: if the pickers parade like crack-flaunting jailbait, right under the nose of Mr Businessman, what else can the rich man do? End of Editorial.Somebody should write a song. (Just now on the radio. Hazeldine's doing a female-sung, assertively folk-rocked "Whiskey In The Jarro": sounds like Thin Lizzy's, but kinda better)

don, Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Back from Austin and I'd just like to say The Mammals are more stomping live than you'd ever guess from their record.

And new Dixie Chicks single is streaming here:

http://music.msn.com/artist/?artist=16097852>1=7702

I dig. It's like the Chicks fronting the Hearbreakers. Oh wait, it basically is.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to this lo-fi New Zealand art-folk indie-rock album (EP?) by Pumice on Soft Abuse (which is very very pretty and I like a lot), I'm realizing that some Flying Nun-style New Zealand stuff is sort of country in the way the Mekons circa 1980 (*Devils Rats and Piggies* era; very early but not *extremely* early in their career) were sort of country. Frank wrote once (in *Why Music Sucks* I think) that New Zealanders did prettier things with Velvet Underground music than anybody (except maybe the occasional Clevelander), but I hear as much country Mekons here as Velvets. My favorite song is "Worsted," I think.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

at risk of offending someone mightily, and im not sure who, i got rough shop's new album in the mail today, and though the ocver art is amazing, its kind of dull in that rough shod earnest indie way...

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

who or what are or is rough shop??

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Rough Shop's a St. Louis group that Roy's working with. I posted about their "Far Past the Outskirts" above--basically, it sounds like good ol' tortured drone-country, sort of on that Mekons/Fairport Convention wavelength. I think it's pretty good, and just ugly enough for me. I like the songs that Anne Tkach sings, like "Destination Everywhere."

and Moody Scott's record is real good, the best kind of semi-pro you'll never see on Nashville Star...his raps are good (he doesn't really rap, but he definitely has some things to say about our particular moment in time), and it's all post-Malaco/I-55 bluessoulfunk, with a few cheeseball synthin-kitsch-sink keyboard ballads that because they're coming from Moody, aren't even unlistenable. and the "Something You Got Baby" he does links him definitively to some kind of weird New Orleans tradition I don't have all the links for--'cause it is Chris Kenner's '61 "Something You Got" except very slightly different words, same arrangement/melody. And good--so did Kenner cop his hit (which is really important New Orleans record, as far as that goes, since it started the "Popeye" dance/song craze of late '61, blues skolars) from somewhere else?

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Detroit Disciples' Saving Grace has stuff belongs on current CMT. A lot of stuff. They're from Sonoma in my state, they tell me, and xhuxk must have liked them. And I can see why because the first three tunes, "I Can't Complain," "Government Man," and "Fallen In Love," are stellar singer/songwriter roots rock and very very catchy.

In fact, I'm astonished by the songwriting craft on just about ever cut, it only faltering by the last couple of tunes when they turn off the electric guitars. And at one point they even do something that sounds like Jackson Browne around "Running On Empty."

And I didn't think it would grow on me as much as it has. Also belongs in the category of heartland rock staked out by the Michael Stanley's of the country.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

xhuxk: you should have gotten the Rough Shop CD by now. If it doesn't show up in a few days, I'll resend. Anthony: No offense remotely taken. Thanks for taking the time to listen. And I'll take some credit for the cover art 'cause it was my design, though Bob Reuter, St. Louis's best rock 'n' roll photographer, took all the photos. Anybody else want a copy, feel free to email me.

I got the new Bottle Rockets, and on first listen, it's pretty good, tougher than the last album, though I'm not so sure about the mastering. Kinda bright for what the band is going for. Release date is early June on Bloodshot.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yep, George, I do like Detroit Disciples! (See upthread, circa Feb 2).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

But Roy! Tellus about SXSW!

don, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree, it made me immediately think of Michael Pare in the Eddie & the Cruisers movies. (There were two of them and the sequel was really really awful!) But Detroit Disciples overcome most of the bowling alley and roadhouse stodge with the actually great songs. It's obvious they mean it in the sincerest manner and that counts on some things, this being one of them. I can listen to it a lot easier than I can Yep Roc's roots-rock-with-paprika-and-other-spicy-weirdnesses CDs these days.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

All kinds of thoughts swimming in my aching head about SXSW but I have 1000 words on these here Nina Simone reissues due in like 2 hours, so it'll have to wait--mostly. Of the 60 odd bands I caught I didn't see all that much country-ish that knocked me out. Biggest thrill was a full set by Roky Erickson (the resurrection is as real as anyone could hope for and something I never thought I'd see). Also: total funk tightness from Sharon Jones and an 8 piece version of Margot and the Nuclear So and So's and a very very rocking Willie Nile show, pick-up bass player and drummer not withstanding. But could someone explain the appeal of What Made Milwaukee Famous? They're like an even more faceless Emerson Drive (if that's even possible) with bogus hipster pretentions. Somebody must have thrown a lot of money at Esquire to get them on the Saturday finale at Stubb's.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Somebody should write a song

Well, obv. Woody did, but so did the Hag; if I recall correctly, it goes "The illegal immigrant is making America grow."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of Kid Rock, people (me) tend to forget how great Devil Without a Cause is. Was thinking about him because I recently borrowed Rage Against the Machine's Los Angeles from the library and basically felt sad listening to it, how these guys seemed to have the moves, the noise, the dance, the energy, but ended up dry-as-dull-dust, the splash of music not even there as a mist or a droplet - though the album went platinum, so someone heard something. And it clobbered Kid Rock in Pazz & Jop, though the Kid went 9 times platinum so what does he care? Anyway, Rage seemed to just be short of someone like a Kid Rock to find them tunes and emotion and humor. But Kid has been a mystery to me since then, mainly because I stopped following after that boring second album, but the little I've heard after that left me puzzled. So, any more thoughts, especially his would-be country escapades, but not restricted to those? It seems to me that though Rage needed someone like him, he also needed something like Rage, some rhythm and noise to put his nonlegit voice in full effect.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost illegales songs)Don't know the Hag's; also, was thinking about Woody's "Deportee" and maybe "Plane Wreck At Los Gatos," if that's even the right title, but I don't know the words to either, well enough to know if they fit the condemnation-exploitation I was preaching about. Roky's revival was also mentioned in Parales' SXSW report,linked from the SXSW thread--that is really amazing. xpost Yep Roc spices, Shack Shakers' Pandelrium is mostly pretty solid, and although they're not (yet?) as accomplished as Gogol Bordello, I was comparing favorably even before I saow the Gogol link on the Shack Shakers site (and G.B. does tour the South fairly often, for that.) But also, if I could've figured out how to squeeze this into the forthcoming review, I would've added that my personal faves are the country-est, like "No Such Thing,"("Is that a bone in my leg? No, there's no such thing") and (country with rolling horizons)"Nelly Bell." Which could be a real obit set to music, and reminds me of a plainer "For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite," at least some of the words of which came from an old circus poster, Lennon said. Also the one on prev. Cockadoodledont, about Wilkes's neighbor, who gets drunk and sits on his horse in the front yard everyday. Man and steed are old, and don't race no more, but not falling down, not in the song, anyway.

don, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know if anyone else caught Billy Joe Shaver at SXSW but I'd never seen him live before and it was a real treat, equal parts hammy and heartbreaking, a sly, salacious old polecat who did an unbelievable song about "faxing" all night long with a girl from Kinko's that also compared cellphones to dick size and lamented that nowadays the ladies all wanted the "cowboy troy model." thought i'd die laughing. did almost all his classics ("old chunk of coal," "honky tonk heroes," "georgia on a fast train") and proved he could still hold a crowd with his latest "live forever."

also saw Rosanne Cash and The Little Willies (feat. Norah Jones) do an instore - Rosanne only did five songs and forgot a line or two from "Tennessee Flattop Box" but that was fine by me cause the other four she did were all from Black Cadillac and personally I'm loving that album.

oh yeah, and I caught Elizabeth McQueen and the Firebrands twice too, once right before Billy Joe - she threw out a bunch of free swag during "All I Need is Money" and I helped myself to a beer cozy.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I got to see the Rosanne set at Stubb's, first time I'd ever seen her with a full-on band, and I was surprised at how well she does chunky and loose rock, maybe it was the drummer (no idea who) or Larry Campbell holding forth on rhythm guitar so that her hubby could just play without atmospherizing as he tends to. I hope she's touring this band.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, Frank, I can't even remember which "boring second album" by Kid Rock you mean! "Amercian Badass*? *Cocky*? There have been so many rip-off stop-gaps (most recently the live one, which I like just fine this week), I have trouble remembering which were the official ones. (Plus, *Devil Without a Cause* was something like his fourth; he actually had hinted at going the redneck route with *Early Morning Stoned Pimp* before that.) Anyway. All the ones since have had music I enjoy on them (more "music" than "songs"), and they're all pretty much been completely forgettable, and I assume I'll say the same thing about *'Live' Trucker* in two years, and I really don't mind for some reason. It's like the guy has taken a clue from his coked-out '70s country and rock heroes and settled on just being a dependable journeyman; I seriously doubt he has any interest in making an album as great as *Devil Without a Cause* again. And I disagree about him needing his own Rage Against the Machine. The Rage-style stuff on *Devil* (including, uh, the song with "rage" in the title) was the album's worst stuff, and the Twisted Brown Trucker Band have "the moves, the noise, the dance, the energy" at LEAST as much as Rage ever did to my ears, plus they've got a sense of fun and sense of humor and, hell, sense of funk that I never heard in Rage, so they *don't* end up dry as dust. (Though it's very possible I just never listened to Rage enough, or their vocalist got in the way of me hearing their music, like what happens to me with hip-hop so often.) I mean, Twisted Brown Trucker are more a hard rock boogie band than a complex Zep-style metal band I guess (I *assume* that's what people hear Rage as; am I wrong?), but that doesn't bug me. The first song on the live CD, "Son of Detroit," boogies quite funkerociously to my ears, and it's fun how they end with the Gap Band's "Outstanding". Oddly, the song that holds up worst for me on this CD (compared to its studio version) is "Only God Knows Why," which I think was my single of the year in Pazz and Jop the year it came out -- then again, maybe it's just that there's been such a huge and unexpected deluge of great Southern rock since then that it doesn't sound so special anymore, who knows. And I still kind of like "Picture," whether Sheryl or Alison or Gretchen are duetting on it, and I know you don't, Frank (not sure why, though.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(I mean, I've talked about this on other threads plenty, gotten in arguments with Miccio about it and stuff. And I totally understand why people feel let down by the guy; he *did* pretty much turn into a hack, lost his sense of punchlines as much as the Beasties ever did, and so on. But I feel like his band has kept his head above water somehow, and some day I'll handpick a great CD-R out of his post-*Devil albums, and 10 years from now maybe some smart whippersnapper will argue convincingly that *Devil* wasn't even his best after all. Anyway, here's what I wrote about his last one, for whatever it's worth:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0350,eddy,49290,22.html

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Two other small thoughts in his favor:

1) There are definitely good arguments available for moving from Limp Bizkit type music to Lynyrd Skynyrd type music (or even from Rage Against the Machine type music to Bad Company type music). (For example, here's one: melodies are *good* things.)

2) He makes better albums now than Eminem does (which I wouldn't have predicted.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

And I gotta say I really love how he identifies so much with Bob Seger, since in some ways (local Detroit City fame years before he exploded nationally, etc) their careers do have certain parallels. Though of course if Kid had done it right he would have put out his *Live Bullet* tribute *before* *Devil Without a Cause*. Still, it should be noted that, in hindsight, *Stranger in Town* doesn't seem near the artistic dropoff from *Night Moves* it was once seen as, and maybe someday it'll make just as much sense to the same about *Cocky* in relation to *Devil.* And Seger's '80s hackwork could be distilled into a great CD-R, too.

And by the way, speaking of *Cocky* (and Iraqis) the last line of this great RJ Smith review from late 2001 now seems eerily prescient; I wonder if Kid read it and took it to heart?

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0151,smith,30841,22.html

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(Okay, maybe not a great CD-R, but a RESPECTABLE one. For the late works of Bob S and Bob R both.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

More thoughts on new Brox: It's their best record since 24 Hours A Day, which is probably their best record over all, and it comes up with compelling answers to the eternal question "What would Neil do?" They've had guitar crush before, but not with the gravity of the opener "Better Than Broken" and they've never been quite this universally dark (Zoysia, I've since learned, is a strain of creeping grass, and a metaphor for how the suburbs are destiny and not a pretty one), though any record with a song that celebrates the individualism of sobriety (the one dud to my ears) won't be confused with Tonight's the Night. But there's aesthetic coherence here, not greasy or gritty or trashy really, just a diamond hard chiseling of who the Bottle Rockets are, even if, on the best acoustic number, they claim they're not from where they're from. I don't think it's too much to say there's something existential going on here--and it rocks too.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 04:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Am watching Nashville Star right now, predicting I'll be checking out after thirty minutes. Gretchen is the guest music star and I'm overworked on the redneck shtick which is the theme of the show, straight down to the hack slob/fool Larry the Cable Guy. Show us your buttcrack, hey? It was old and odious when Dan Aykroyd did it on SNL.

So everyone is talking 'bout how redneck revolution means rocking and they can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. Being a redneck is coincidental, poxy fules.

The sound is noticebably off in this epidsode. It's reverberant, shrill and the crash makes it difficult to decipher what Cowboy Troy is going on about. Troy is up, he's so up it seems he's taken a pill, maybe one too many. He's talking too fast and a Prilosec logo, the drug for curbing heartburn acid reflux, is flashing next to his face and if there's someone who looks like a bigger fool tonight, you're going to have to go a long way to find him or her.

Rock, rock, rock, redneck rock is the mantra for tonight, adds Wy. Let's all rock through the show. It's so irritating my teeth are rattling.

Last week was fair. This week the meat wagon's being driven over the cliff. Were the ratings bad?

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i watched the first hour
the voices arent v. good, arent even v. good bar band good, and the two i like i didnt know how they did.

only one id like to fuck, too, which is why i msotly watched last year

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The sound continues to be bad. The vocals, which were good last week, are obscured by the crash in the hall which tells me the PA is too loud and there aren't enough bodies in the hall to soak it up. Troy's mike made him mostly incoherent.

Gretchen did her second song, Politically Uncorrect or something, and the fiddles and Telecaster were way too loud and I like loud instruments. But the Tele player was just a goon hack with a shaved head and the fiddles, eh. And you know I'm sick of Gretchen who appears to have lost weight which tells me she's taking pills on the advice of her management. Plus, they were phoning it in because they had the look of people who expected the audience to go wild every night while playing it, which is what the studio audience did.

One girl came on -- Torres -- and she looked great and her jeans were spray painted on, but the song was boring and everyone fawned over her because she was HOTT.

Another of my big objections is that none of the contestants show any human superciliousness or enmity, both of which are necessary qualities in pop rock and dealing with any audience live. It stands to reason the guy who did the Big & Rich cover OK, after being drubbed by Anastacia the dick for two weeks running, would have snarled back at her. But no, all the contestants, when fed shit, ask for more. Good character traits for working in cubicles at corporate America USA, maybe convincing to sheep watching on TV, not so good for anything else.

Quote of night: "I love to have a great time." Wow, pearls before swine.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 07:12 (eighteen years ago) link

the weird thing, is that with the big and rich song, there has to be a swagger, same with the messina, and well no swagger at all, they care too deeply to be loose with the material,

and well, lets not talk about the guy who did the charlie daniels, the desperation and exhaustion and sadness and esmaculation and all of it hiding behind this played out masculinity...its a hard song to sing, and he was so safe, people shouldnt play broken hearted drinking songs until theyve had enough time to be well be broken hearted and drunk--last week the same thing happened with tequilla, unless you actually have spent time on a bender, the lavisoucness just doesnt slither out...

and cowboy troy is just awkard, he doesnt know where to go and what to say...

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 08:13 (eighteen years ago) link

> Brox: best record since 24 Hours A Day, which is probably their best record over all<

Really? *Blue Sky* is the only album by them that's ever really clicked for me, and that one only half way; I mean, I liked "Baggage Claim" just fine, but despite their trappings they always seemed to wind up on the wrong side of the alt-country vs. southern rock divide to my ears. Haven't listened to the new one yet, though. And perhaps I should listen to their old ones more (though outside of *Blue Sky,* none are around here anymore.) (I was thinking I liked some almost pub-metal/Count Bishops song they did in the mid/late '90s with "rural route" in the title, but I'm not finding it on AMG; maybe I'm confusing them with somebody. Either way, I always wished their guitars were louder, a la the Cactus Brothers.)

ps. I never knew Bottle Rockets' nickname was "the Brox" til now. But I figured it out!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rural Route" is on their first album, which could be out of print for all I know. I'm not sure what you mean about the alt-country vs. southern rock divide though. Maybe not enough r&b in their sound? If that's the case, then you might like that sobriety tune on the new record--first Bottle Rocket song with female back up vocals? But "Baggage Claim" always struck me as stilted--I have no beef with Bread but that's not why I listen to this band. I think you'll like the guitars on the new one.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Not enough rock in their sound is more what I mean, Roy. "Kinda rock for an alt-country band" is nice, but not enough. But yeah, I'll check out the new one, and I can see how some funk or soul might help matters too. (And though "Baggage Claim" is the track that sticks in my head from the last album, I'm not claiming that was necessary its best cut. Don't think I've played that CD since the year it came out.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a mark of my taste that I tend to get interested when (especially) Chuck mentions on this thread that something "doesn't have enough rock in it". I can't really stomach the rock, or the rock end of country.

There's no reason whatsoever you should be interested in this fact.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Don, as far as I know, "Plane Wreck at Los Gatos" is the correct title of the Woody song that people tend to refer to as "Deportee." The plane crashed by the South Bay, the newscaster described the victims as "just deportees," that's what inspired the song. (I wouldn't be surprised if there were several songs called "Deportee," but I doubt that they'd be by Guthrie.)

Xhuxk, I was thinking that "Devil" was Kid's first. I think American Badass is the one I was calling his second. And of course I don't necessarily believe it needs to be Rage-type guys who back him up. Just someone to lay down some fire. My impression (and this may be very wrong, since I haven't listened to nearly enough of it) is that his singing nowadays is trying to be straight-up legitimate, whereas I think he needs something to provide him cover so that he can do what he does best, which is to do some variation on sing-talking. As I said, this could be all wrong, including my opinion on what he does best.

"Picture" felt like slow, dead sentimentality pinned to the near calm sky. But I've not heard it more than 3 or 4 times, and not recently.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(I listened to the Rage Against the Machine because I was impressed with how Flyleaf seemed to be finding the dance in Rage and Nirvana and using it to lift a live-wire wailer to the spotlight, where she pours her melodic-harmonic heart out in the higher registers, and roar with the wolves in the lower. But I wouldn't claim that Flyleaf are close to country, so if I need to say more I'll take it to the teenpop thread.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

did nathalie merchant do a cover of ...los gatos?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Flyleaf belong on the metal thread, too, Frank! (Girlie says they're sending me the album, but I haven't seen it yet. And oh yeah, I'm going to call you about your review of it later today.)

Turns out I goofed; there's no Kid Rock LP called *American Bad Ass*. Shows what I know. That was the single off *The History of Rock,* which was mainly sort of an odds-and-sods early years comp, duh:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0027,eddy,16173,22.html

"Picture"'s beautiful-loser bullshit actually sounds fairly lush and billowing and good-humored to my ears, not dead or draggy at all.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, I'd say his "legitimate singing" attempts (which I often enjoy, often more than his rapping attempts) are still more the exception in Kid's repertoire than the rule. (And I love where RJ says Kid raps better than George Jones and sings better than Jay-Z.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Not enough rock in their sound is more what I mean

That totally baffles me, which only means I'm all the more interested to hear your take on the new record!

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Has Gina Villalobos been mentioned yet? I just heard her new record "Miles Away," and a lot of it kicks, not unlike Miranda or Gretchen, but with a scratchy still wide-open voice. "Somebody Save Me" would sound great on country radio.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

>That totally baffles me<

A couple songs into the new one, I'd classify them more as "loud folk music" (or, in Chris Cook's great old Pearl Jam formulation, "loud mush") than as a rock band. The guitar blur is there; the rocking from drums and bass is not. Basically, they sound like an alt-country band with louder guitars. I'm gonna shelve them for a little bit; will come back to it some other time. Hope that's not too baffling!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

They sound weak-kneed, somehow. (Actually, who they were making me think of wasn't Pearl Jam at all. More like an alt-countrified late Soul Asylum, maybe. And I wish Soul Asylum were more rock, too!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

The Soul Asylum comparison is interesting--something I never thought about before, but, yeah, I can kinda hear that, especially on the first track.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost yeah, I realized as soon as I'd posted, that I'd listed two dif titles for the same Guthrie song. Anthony, I don't know if Natalie's recorded "Los Gatos (AKA Deportee)," but Dolly Parton did a good version of it, although involved some 80s synthesised strings, as I recall: the wrong flavor of cheese,for me(though many peoples like it). Natalie was good on the Mermaid Avenue albums (surprising me, as did all the other performers, except Corey Harris, who's usually good). So maybe she should record this too; very timely. I guess Woody might say we really need Industrial Workers of the World to sign everybody up, and make sure they don't have to flee to the land of the carpetbaggers to try and make a living wage (good luck). There were at least two versions of "Picture" that got some airplay (also maybe CMT played the version from that Kid Rock/Hank Jr. Crossroads I sent you on VHS, xxhux). Dif duet partners, presumably cos Sheryl's people didn't want her own product crowded by the single. One of these may've been worse than the other (and may've been heard more by Frank than by xxhux or whomever)

don, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Side note on Deportees: Woody wrote the lyrics, but there was no melody till Martin Hoffman, a cohort of Judy Collins, put it to music in the late '50s. A few years after that, Hoffman killed himself.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I only know "Deportee" from the Byrds' version on "Ballad of Easy Rider," isn't it?

I like the Shawn Camp record OK...Nashville in its second Billy Swan, or Roy A. Loney, phase, perhaps? A rockabilly record from 1979? anyway, someone (they left the byline off the online version, and the print Scene don't make it up on the ridge here on Wednesdays) did an interesting piece on it today. turns out the guy wrote half of Josh Turner's latest record, so he's not lacking for rockabilly boots or panties, I suppose (and there's something by me in same issue on Jamey Johnson):

http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Arts/Music/2006/03/23/Swingin_/index.shtml

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I only know "Deportee" from the Mofungo version on *Messenger Dogs of the Gods*! (I am such a secret Lower East Side bohemian it's not funny anymore.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 March 2006 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont know who mofungo is

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 23 March 2006 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

The Scene Is Now-connected second-generation NY no wave band of a commie persuasion. Frank could tell you more than I can about them. Not to be confused with: ""mofongo," a fried plantain concoction which Julio introduced on Sanford and Son."

http://bomplist.xnet2.com/0204/msg03130.html

However, interestingly enough:

http://home.sprynet.com/~galligan/sietsema.htm

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 March 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

lindsey & kathy, 4-song teen-pop country bubblegum rock EP by two teen florida sisters said on their cdbaby page to also be former child actors on a PBS kids' show called "the huggabug club" not to mention daughters of a pro baseball player i never heard of: first song is yet another "walmart parking lot" song, different than chris cagle's and probably closer spiritually to shannon brown's "cornfed"; in this one, you get things-frank-would-(probably accurately)-call-lies like "no one's complaining about nothing changing here" and stuff about how the local paper only has a page or two which is enough for the news in such a small town and there's only one button on the radio dial which of course plays country so it's "kinda like livin' in the past," okay, the usual myth, but who the hell said songs were supposed to be honest anyway? sound is like a fast early tom petty tune or something, though maybe somebody can figure out a more accurate '80s pop-rock referent for the guitar parts. second song is about a breakup the singer wishes didn't happen, very nice, and helped out what i believe to be a bassline from the doobie brothers' "listen to the music." third song is more bluegrass/folk trad, and the place the sisters' sibling harmonies most shine. and the last song is maybe the most interesting -- not country at all, way more like lisa lisa losing herself in emotion or deniece williams hearing it for the boy in the mid '80s. updated '60s girl group, in other words; in fact, the updating might be accidental. and it works; people who've listened to that *one kiss leads to another* box more than me should figure out what REAL girl group singer it sounds like.

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, lindsey & KRISTY, not Kathy:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/lindseykristy

And it's a picture disc!

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Niedenfuer was a pitcher for the Dodgers and Twins. I'm sure I have a couple of his baseball cards at my mom's house.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

But I hear as much Amazulu as Lisa Lisa in that last song, and little to no '60s girl-group referent, I'm afraid.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, you could be right, seeing as how I have no idea whether I've heard Amazulu, Joseph. (Would that make this the first Amazulu-influenced country track in history? I checked AMG, and Amazulu has a very weird haircut!) As for the girl-group thing, all I can say is that I thought "this sounds like a '60s girl group song" BEFORE I thought "this sounds like an '80s Lisa Lisa update of a '60s girl group song." I'm sure it's there; maybe eventually I'll think of a way to more precisely explain where I hear it. (Unlike Frank and some other folks on this thread, I'm not great at explaining what singing voices are doing.)

xhuxk, Friday, 24 March 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP Cindy Walker. She was 87 years old. Willie's tribute to her this year is good and timely. "You Don't Know Me" is a desert island song, in more ways than one.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 24 March 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

from metal thead:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kathyx

Kathy X, *Ready for Anything*: minimalist clippity-clop semi-hopped-up rockabilly rhythm from two not-so-young guys who keep their mouths shut provides frame for a not-so-young woman to both rant in endearingly tuneful semi-hiccuped british accent and steal noisy link wray twangs in short songs about cat fights and demon possession, plus one joan jett cover. energetic, in a way closer to girlschool than the stray cats. i like "love they neighbor," "i love rock'n'roll," "ready for anything," "let the devil in," "bitch like you," "black box" (for starters.)

xhuxk, Friday, 24 March 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

(band is based in berlin, and their record label is in warsaw, apparently. drummer has a pretty impressive resume', judging from the cdbaby page--wonder if he worked with all those rock'n'roll immortals on oldies tours, or what. and i know, "i love rock'n'roll" is technically an arrows cover, not a joan jett cover.) (just like "tainted love" is gloria jones and "bette davis eyes" is jackie deshannon, right.)

xhuxk, Friday, 24 March 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

First off, pay your respects:

RIP BUCK OWENS

second off, i just got back from princeton record exchange, where i unloaded somewhere between 15 and 20 huge boxes of CDs I don't need. on the way there and back i decided that dale watson's *whiskey and god,* which even has a funky country rap song about a transvestite not to mention a song about a woman with the impossible dimensions 38-21-34, is probably my favorite '06 country album so far unless maybe if carrie underwood counts. also, i bought/traded for these (mostly but not all country) CDs, which i am listing in descending order of how much i predict i will wind up liking them. if you know something about them that i don't, feel free to predict otherwise, but realize first that i cheated a little bit by listening to parts of maybe half of them on the way home. (also, the prices listed are the sticker prices; since i traded in CDs, they're actually cost me less):

1. toby keith *honky tonky university* 2005 $3.99 (i never heard "big blue note" before, and i like its sing-talking but was surprised to find out its music apparently contains no big blue notes. also i'm realizing i much prefer funny toby to sincere toby, which means, outside of the three hits, my favorite track so far is "just the guy to do it," where he picks a fight with a knucklehead in a bar. also i'm sad to learn the album does not contain toby's current billboard c&w hit with the intriguing drinking title, which i have still yet to hear.)
2. akon *trouble* 2003 $2.99 (not country)
3. status quo *heavy traffic* 2002 $3.99 (not country, but probably boogie)
4. *texas bohemia: polka-waltzes-schottisches: the texas bohemian moravian-german bands* (tritonkt german import compilation) 1994 $3.99
5. lee ann womack *lee ann womack* 1997 $1.99 (autograhed by her on the CD cover!)
6. carlene carter *i fell in love* 1990 $2.99 (title track sounds familiar, so i guess maybe it was a hit? it also sounds like a nick lowe song, though he apparently didn't write it)
7. smegma *ism* 1993 $1.99 (not country, and i may well wind up hating it, i dunno)
8. kaci brown *instigator* 2005 $1.99 (who is she? she looks young. and i'm assuming she's country because that's where three copies of her CD were filed, and i think i heard of her before, possibly either in billboard or on one of these rolling country threads.)
9. cock robin *after here through midland* 1987 $3.99 (not country, but with harmonies anyway. i've long wondered what their deal was. maybe joe mccombs can explain them to me. who was their audience? i've long wondered if maybe they were like a lesser version of quarterflash or something, but the guy's voice on the couple tracks i listened to sounds british or aussie--maybe more like dream academy or icicle works, whatever that means.)
10. sweethearts of the rodeo *beautiful lies* 1996 $4.99 (on sugar hill records, but didn't they have country chart hits earlier? i've never heard an album by them before; bought this because "midnight girl in a sunset town" has long been my favorite song on the k-tel dance country CD i mention upthread. the songs i heard on this so far are not bad, but also nowhere near that good. they do cover "muleskinner blues," though - -that's a jimmie rodgers classic, right? but why the hell would somebody want to skin a mule, anyway?)
11. jamey johnson *jamey johnson* 2006 $3.99 (i could wind up liking this more than this placement suggests, but "the dollar," which i'd never heard before, disappointed me on first hearing after all the compliments it's received on this thread and even from christgau. seemed sappy. the cat's in the cradle with the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon when you coming home dad i don't know when, we'll get together then son etc.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The Status Quo album is fair and a lot better than the mostly toothless things preceding it for a great many years. It's very poppy and catchy but there is a little boogie chug to it. Nothing like the early to mid-70's but not without some merit. They're in the same place as Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers in terms of toughness. They look denim but it's middle-aged and upscale. There is some country to it, too, since Rossi has been incorporating it in his writing for a good long while.

The live DVD of 'em doing their modern show really kills though. The band just shreds when the two Telecasters get going on the stomping parts. But they don't do that so much on the contemporary records.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Sunday, 26 March 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck, Toby Keith releases albums too quickly for your own good! His new one *White Trash With Money* hits on April 11. That's the one with "Get Drunk and Be Somebody" (which I likewise haven't heard).

Cock Robin, I lump in with sophistipop of the period like Prefab Sprout, Danny Wilson, Blow Monkeys, and Style Council. And indeed, Dream Academy. I'm partial to that kind of stuff but then again I've never been accused of rocking too hard.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 26 March 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

(In other words, their audience was the kids who were in band, rather than the kids who were in a band.)

(Oh, and add Double ["Captain of Her Heart"] to my list above.)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 26 March 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Great description of Cock Robin's audience, Joseph, thanks! And yeah, they sound like a band that would have been played at band camp, I get that. As for Toby: That's frustrating!

Best songs on Dale Watson album: "Whiskey or God" (vs. "Drugs or Jesus," though Dale picks both -- in another song he mentions pills too by the way); "No Help Wanted" (as in "Get a Job" or Gary US Bonds's "Out of Work', with Dale stuck in a truckstop in Pittsburgh PA -- only thing is, for some reason I can't imagine truckdrivers being unemployed! Seems there could never be enough of them, but what the hell do I know?); "Truckin' Queen (I Got My Night Gown On..)" (imagine Jerry Reed in "Amos Moses" mode doing "Where's the Dress" crossed with "C.B. Savage" and you'll maybe get the idea -- the tranny is a trucker DJ in KC, and the song ain't remotely homophobic by the way near as I can tell; Dale seems in awe of the guy); "I Wish I Was Crazy Again"; "Heeah!!". Second tier: "Sit and Drink and Cry," "I Ain't Been Right Since I've Been Left," "Tequila and Teardrops," "38-21-34"; "Outta Luck." I'm still wondering if this album's a huge leap, or if he's always been this good.

Of those Princeton Record Exchange albums, the Bohemian Texas polkaholics seem to be winning. The Toby album has four or so great tracks surrounded by too many sincere love ballads. An interesting move for him, but not always an entertaining one. But maybe the slow songs'll kick in later -- Toby's showing off his voice, which deserves to be shown off.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm a fan of Dale Watson, so long as he keeps off the subject of Princess Diana.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 26 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Tea Leaf Green's Taught to Be Proud finally showed up. It's pretty much as xhuxk said months ago. I keep hearing "China Cat Sunflower" in it. Best material seems to be the last three tunes, don't know why, maybe it's worn a hole in my brain by that point. Nice Rhodes pianner playing which is slightly roadhouse in style and the guitarist has a dirtier, more explosive tone than the usual Dead axe fanatics. All of it's midtempo which works for them. I generally have no taste for jam bands but this one I'll be keeping around, perhaps because no one in the band sounds like Jerry Garcia. Their promo says they have Faces influences but if so, they're mostly impaginary to my ears, except for the piano.

And they will be coming to NYC in April.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Sunday, 26 March 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

they're not really a jamband, despite some similiarity to Dead (studio) approach(see my post upthread).xpost xxhux, did you ever try googling the term "Tex Czech"? Some good stuff they did (a Rounder polka comp, I heard once, OOP I think), though a localized scene. Seems to've incl. swing and rockabilly in (live) practice, despite some more purist collections. (Was intrigued by Associated Press Buck Owens obit inclu quote about when he moved to Bakerfield in '51, "We played rhumbas and tangos and sambas and swing, and a lotta rock 'n' roll." Also said that later he referred to what he did [on his records] as "American music," and some asked him: "Isn't country music good enough for you anymore?" And he got to where he was more into his outside business interests than the Biz process, because "I never did want to hang around like some old punchdrunk fighter.")xpost I think Carlene's "I Fell In Love" was written by Al Anderson, ex-NRBQ; at least, he and she were having a rave-up with it, when I saw 'em on Austin City Limits (so astonished I forgot to hit "Record"). He's written a lot of other good songs too.

don, Sunday, 26 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

actual songwriting credit is: Carlene Carter/Howie Epstein/Benmont Tench/Perry Lamek. ("The Sweetest Thing" on that album gives partical credit to Robert Ellis Orrall, who I've brought up a couple times on this thread. And more interestingly, "The Leavin' Side" gives partial credit to one Tom Gray: I wonder if that's the same guy who used to lead the Brains, of "Money Changes Everything" fame! They were Southerners, from Atlanta, right? So it wouldn't have been out of the question for him to go the country songwriting route.)

and yeah, I still need to research me some Tex Czech one of these Saturdays.

and finally, I forgot to mention that Cock Robin have a really weird name.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

it's from the poem, right? "who killed cock robin".

i guess i should listen to that dale watson album, it's been sitting on my coffee table for two weeks. and funny you mention robert ellis orrall because i thought he'd long ago vanished. i remember him because i saw him (in his new wave days) open for u2 on the war tour. it was my first-ever rock'n'roll show so i thought he was cool even though he probably wasn't.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 26 March 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Took a stroll to the news tab and Tea Leaf Green have a share of publicity, some of it rote, but in response to the tour building up a head of steam.

Excerpting, unfootnoted:


The problem is that after the first 30 seconds of “The Garden (Part III),” the opening track on Taught To Be Proud, I was ready to forcibly rip the CD from my computer and fling it from the nearest window. Jam band? Ugh.

Bouncy, semi funky drum track? Check. Rhythmically shaky and slightly off pitch backup vocals? Check! Looming shadows of Grateful Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic and the Allman Brothers? Super double check!

How many bands of well meaning college students (with guitars) have beaten this poor little Birkenstock-clad and patchouli-scented donkey-of-a-musical-movement into the dust over the past 15 years? Hmm?

But upon further listening, I started finding the good stuff lurking in the corners. Trevor Garrod’s vocals call up some combination of the Jayhawks’ Mark Olson, Neil Young and the illustrious Paul Simon — all great. His wah-wah Rhodes solo in the title track is groovy and well played. “John Brown” is a moody, little, historical tale peppered with some “20/20 hindsight” observation. After a few spins, one begins to notice that for all the jammy affectations, there’s real potential for good songs. Heck, there ARE good songs on this album. They just get

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Headin’ Down to Bonnaroo

The band burst into the “jamband” scene with a stellar performance at Northern California’s High Sierra Music Festival in 2000. Five years later, the group found itself in front of ten thousand screaming fans at Tennessee’s fourth annual Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival.

“It was of one of those special shows that reminds you why you want to perform in front of people,” Chambers says. “The crowd was just on fire. I mean it was one o’clock in the afternoon and 100 degrees out, and ten thousand people still showed up to see us play.”

Quite suddenly, Tea Leaf Green had morphed into a venerable tour de force on the scene. The group expanded its performance schedule, and fans—many of whom just wanted to see what the fuss was about—came out accordingly. In less than six years, the band went from playing Bay Area house parties to posh East Coast theatres three thousand miles away from home.

“Now it’s getting a lot better for us,” Chambers says. “We’re making more money, getting bigger crowds—I mean we’re still all poor—but it’s nicer. We can actually expect people to be at the shows now, as opposed to two years ago we’d be happy to have 50 people there.”

Living Organically

Tea Leaf Green, like many of the group’s “jamband” brethren, knows not of radio airplay or MTV videos. Chambers says things like grassroots promotion on Internet message boards and opening for former Phish frontman Trey Anastasio have been keys to the band’s success.

“It was great playing with Trey and meeting him,” Chambers says. “He told us a lot of fun stories of what he went through in the early Phish days in comparison to
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George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 27 March 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah" good stuff lurking in the corners" like guitarist, as I xpost kinda behind the treeline of piano's sparkling stream and rhythm section's piano-obedient rhythms. Guitar sometimes led downstage, like in aforementioned "5000 Acres," but Trevor's stage whisper and keyboard are right there too, just so's we don't forget who's the avatar. So, as with Umphrey McGee's Anchor Drops, various attempts by Phish, etc., this is the jamband showing they can make a studio album, eh. I bet Trevor's got one of those pianos that prints out transcriptions of the parts he assigns the other guys (with sections marked for brief impromptu). The lucidity of his voice makes some of the words seem more lucid than they are, but that's what voices are for. Just wish there was a bit more variety; maybe they'll stretch out a bit on the next one. Speaking of Buck Owens, he and Dwight are singing "Streets Of Bakersfield" on CMT rat now. They're a good match. When I first heard Buffalo Springfield's "Mr. Soul," I thought it sounded like Buck (not that I knew anything about country, other than seeing him on Hee Haw). Too bad he and Neil never recorded. Wonder how Prarie Wind is? Or his Nashville performance doc?

don, Monday, 27 March 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

P-r-a-i-r-i-e Wind, that is, I think. Speaking of Nashville performances, Turner Classic Movies showed Nashville the movie a couple times recently. I hadn't seen it since it first came out (at a nearby shopping center, not even a mall, and the audience was talking back to the screen, sounding like Altman characters, as did the collegiate audience at an Altman Festival a few years later). Some of the few good rock critics who were closely following country back then took offense, thought it was Hollywood snot. But the satirical aspect seems pretty droll, scoring pretty much the same points that those same crits, and many country songs, have made, before and after the movie. Although mostly after: this may well have been the first movie to take Nashville seriously enough to bother with well-placed, countrystyle deadpan zingers. (The hero of Hee Haw was always Junior Samples, who could not read a cue card: "subversive," in critspeak.) Some of the actor-written songs were crappier than real-Biz objective correlative (TS Eliot critspeak!) But most were about even, as with those of Henry Gibson's Acuff figure, who was also much more diplomatic (as an elder statesman should be) than the actual Acuff, well-known for his countryier-than-thou-ness(as displayed on many Opry broadcasts, and much worse offstage, from what I've read). And I'd completely forgotten how good, how sensuous and sweet, but never cloying, were the songs of the Loretta figure, Ronee Blakely. Best of all was Cristina Raines. She was in a trio with her husband (played by ?) and her lover, Keith Carradine. (Was this kinda based on Mamas And Papas, Stone Poneys?) Given what a (possibly desperate, certainly compulsive)ahole he was turning out to be, he may well have started sleeping with her only when he decided to leave the group, or maybe their screwing helped him decide. But there she was on stage with 'em both, having had a fight with hubbie in front of a reporter, and having seen that other women (including the reporter, Geraldine Chaplin) thought that KC wrote his bedsong(the crappy, but plausibly passive-aggressive, and Oscar-winning)"I'm Easy," for each and every one of they-um. (Lily Tomlin too!) Cos he told 'em. And just as she's taking this in, an announcer spots Keith, skulking in a corner. Keith says he's been "hiding from my band all week," and adds that they just broke up, which is news to Cristina and her husband. The MC gets them to come up on stage, and Cristina, with her estranged, sullen, silent males on either side, sings a quietly showstopping solo.Dammmm. As far as I can tell, she never made a record (later played a nightclub singer on the evening soap, Flamingo Road). And her song isn't listed (by Allmusic) on the soundtrack. But Mint Records put out a Tribute To The Nashville Soundtrack, with Neko and Kelly Hogan etc, and it's got all the songs from the movie, looks like. She did this once, anyway.

don, Monday, 27 March 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm still trying to make up my mind on the new calexico. i feel like it has tangible melodies and i think its a little more sophisticated than their other output. while i think there's a couple of really snoozy cuts (plus, that really aweful french track), it's pretty and i'd like to drive to it. the whole i&w collab from last year may have dulled what might've been an otherwise sharper set, but 'garden ruin' is still likeable. i like "panic open string," "letter to bowie knife" and "all systems red" the best.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Katie, I have heard so much great Brazilian jazz lately, you would FREAK OUT about it. I might start a new thread.

I have never heard a single note of Calexico. That is kind of weird.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE DESERT PLAINS? THEN YOU'VE HEARD CALEXICO.

just kidding. they're one of the bands that i like but wish they were just, overall, better.

i will lurk the sh*t outta your brazilian jazz thread. ;)

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

my problem with the new calexico is that i *don't* hear the desert in it anymore (as i say upthread somewhere.) hmmmm...

>. kaci brown *instigator* 2005 $1.99 (who is she? she looks young. and i'm assuming she's country because that's where three copies of her CD were filed, and i think i heard of her before, possibly either in billboard or on one of these rolling country threads.)<

well, album definitely seems more like "r&b-leaning teenpop" (pretty ignorable so far, though that may change) than c&w. AMG's explanation:

>Kaci Brown grew up in Sulphur Springs, TX, and was singing at a very early age. Throughout her youth, she performed across her home state, appearing just about anyplace that would have her. To further her career, her family moved to Nashville in 2001 — remarkably, before attaining a record contract, she had a publishing deal and was writing for country artists. Though she intended to be a country artist, she was repeatedly told that she'd fare better with pop. By the end of 2005, she had summer touring dates with the Backstreet Boys, in addition to her Interscope-released debut album, under her belt. All of this happened before she passed her teenage years. A few of the things she adores, as noted on her website, include "love," "purple anything," "boys with guitars," and "boys in general."<

xhuxk, Monday, 27 March 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, so assuming anybody cares anymore about a record from last year that's already completed its chart cycle, I guess I overstated the love-ballad-heaviness of Toby's *Honky Tonk University* to a certain degree. "She Left Me" is actually kind of speedy two-step that turns into southern rock at the end, and "You Ain't Leavin' (Are Ya)" keeps (somewhat clumsily, I think) turning into swinging music during its chorus, and both of those are clearly halfway comical songs about being happy about being dumped; in fact (and this goes along with the perfunctoriness of much of the album), in both of them, Toby's girl leaves with his guitar. Though in the first one she leaves with his best friend Jake too and accidentally leaves her laptop behind so when she comes back to get it Toby'll be in a hottub full of hotties, and the latter she also takes his Lay-Z Boy recliner. The rest *is* mostly ballads, though. The Merle Haggard duet is fine (country needs more songs about going *off* the wagon these days, good); Toby sings the hell out of "Knock Yourself Out" in his old Billy Ray Cyrus-style "How Do Ya Like Me Now" gutbusting baritone (which he rarely uses anymore) and doesn't make me care about the song one way or the other; "Your Smile" is Toby in easy-as-a=Sunday-morning soul mode I guess (just a descrption; I'm not comparing it to Lionel), and I like that one a lot. A few others (including one where Toby gots it bad and another where we catch him at a bad time -- songwriting getting kinda redundant again!) go in one ear and out the other. "Honkytonk U" is the only track where he's much of a belicose asshole supporting the troops, and I still like it just fine, though why was I under the impression that he actually climbed *higher* than semi-pro football? (Maybe he just attending NFL training camp once or something like that?) "Big Blue Note" and "Just the Guy to Do It" both have that certain light Caribbean lilt that always serves Toby well; I like them both a lot, the latter more than the former, and I kind of gave the wrong impression above when I suggested it's about picking a fight with a knucklehead in a bar -- really, Toby's talking to some girl, and her boyfriend is flirting with some other girl at the other end of the bar, which makes that guy a knucklehead, but wait, how come the girl's not just as knuckleheaded for flirting with Toby? (Though maybe their flirting isn't mutual; you can't really tell. Real good song, either way. "Do blondes really have more fun or are they just easier to spot in the dark?," ha ha.) And "As Good As I Once Was" is the album's best song, and one of Toby's best hits ever.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Jamey Johnson's "Flying Silver Eagle" is better than "The Dollar," from his debut record. I also like "Ray Ray's Jukejoint," and I like the way Buddy Cannon used gospel voices on the record, I wish he had done more of it. "The Dollar" has turned out to be a substantial hit, but I find it somewhat more simplistic than "Flying Silver Eagle," maybe because it's easier to jerk heartstrings with kids who don't get enough attention (the subject of "The Dollar") than with the adult, sordid tale of Jamey-everyman who loses his wife to a rich banker, in "Silver Eagle." but I think it's one of the best country records so far this year, in my book--I need to get the Dale Watson, though.

and it turns out Moody Scott, who we were discussing upthread, recorded in Nashville for Sound Stage 7 in the '60s, had some regional hits. there's a new comp of his SS7 stuff just out, called "Bustin Out of the Ghetto." now Moody lives in Las Vegas.
xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

bearfoot hookers, self-procaimed "beer drinking gospel" (but really more blues and boogie etc) cdbaby band from georgia - these guys aren't doing it for me, though they do seem to have moments, more on their '05 *life at the bar* album than their less rocking '04 *sweet pickle grits*. "me and the devil blues" is boogiefied heavily enough, and "gettin' ready for the show" (by drinking, mostly) is a decent skynyrd rip, getting more of skynrd's rhythm than the drive by truckers usually do. but most of the slower songs are either drive by truckers without the songwriting or so-what low-energy bar band blues or so-whatter grateful-dead-fan snooze. "i feel fine" on *life at the bar* starts heavy but gets dull; "tequila love song", same album, at least ends with an obligatory tequila'd up sloppy singalong from the "EFH piss drunk choir." and the first album bored me way quicker than the second one did. i'd be interested to see if george or don hear anything I don't, though; here's where to check these guys out:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/bearfoothookers2

http://cdbaby.com/cd/bearfoothookers1

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey I'd never heard of Aim Records until now, they seem to be putting out big chunks of SS7 / Seventy Seven material. Like, a double CD of Geater Davis!? I had no idea there was that much material, and I had kind of assumed that the Charly LP from '87 or whenever contained all of his SS7 stuff I would ever hear. To tell the truth I suspect I'd be more excited if someone would drag together a bunch of his best non-Richbourg recordings: I have one single on House of Orange which is great but a dreadful pressing, I bet there's lots more good stuff.

I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this Miko Marks CD, I keep being surprised by her voice, at moments when I'm not expecting to be surprised (I suppose that's a pre-requisite of being surprised, but still). Less so from Dierks Bentley, which I was expecting to like more than I do. The only bits I find myself responding to are the sappy bits, which I suppose isn't that unusual for me.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

bearfoot hookers xp:

Yeah, replaying the first album, I'd say it's definitely more alt-country than the followup, though fairly often the rhythm does pick into a passably sprightly mid-tempo waltz or choogle for the aging longhair dancefloor. Still more Dead than Skynyrd, though "Dirty Whore Blues" does okay with the latter; she leaves his member sore and he tells her "woman don't come around here no more," you get the idea -- and this is one of their better songs, actually. They're not too complimentary of the gal in "Damn She's Fat" (5'2", 300 pounds) either. (But the album covers kind of remind me of Michael Hurley's.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

bearfoot hookers sound like the drive by truckers and an ounce of uncle tupelo... while i can't entirely back it up, some of it just doesn't sound very sincere, like they know what southern rock is supposed to sound like, but the delivery just seems off. nice tunes in there, though.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Ooh, I must get that Geater Davis - presumably it includes one of the great versions of my favourite song, For Your Precious Love.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Here you go, Martin: http://www.aiminternational.com/newr.htm#geater

No FYPL though, I'm afraid, though I have the 7" on House of Orange if you don't mind a bit of off-centre pressing and the consequent wow (or is it flutter?).

If I'd had the choice, I'd have prioritised Ella Washington or Ann Sexton, but I don't know how the licensing works so I shouldn't criticise. I'm glad someone's doing it.

(This made me go and check to see what Ella Washington CDs are available, and there seems to be one containing at least some SS7 stuff, though it doesn't have the outrageously good "If Time Could Stand Still", which is a shame. Not such a shame that I haven't ordered it, obv.)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Shannon McNally was briefly mentioned upthread by Don, and I'm listening to her '05 studio release Geronimo right now (she just put out a live one last month that I need to get). Like a tougher, bluesier, occasionally honky-tonkin' ("The Hard Way," "Miracle Mile") version of Sheryl Crow. Good stuff.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

so i already mentioned it in even more passing way than this on the psychdronefreak thread, but i've been very much enjoying this sunbeam records reissue of a 1973 post-fairport brit-folk album by a band called lazy farmer, the best parts of which consists of gentle but lively and lovely interpretations of anthology of american folk music type reels and jigs like "the cuckoo" and "soldier's joy/arkansas traveler" (the music of which i swear michael hurley swiped for either the auntie griselda song or the one about france on *have moicy!*) and "johnson boys" (who go to town and are so shy they don't know how to talk to girls and come home late so shame on them, lazy farmer say). also includes a ralph mctell song about standing in new york and a closing original about leaving berlin. not pyschdronefreaky at all, really. nice (though the also-sunbeam lady folk singer '70s reissue that came in the same package as this one, despite joni mitchell press-release comparisons, reminded me way too much of mary poppins.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

xxhuxx=dayumn closet hippeh, lak xgau, but this'un even lives in **Sunnyside**! Butt pot to kettle, cos I'm getting to be a rasta for Jessi's Texastential cosmic groove thang. (You think she knows about the Mollys? Mebbe I'll send her some.) Good interview today:
Http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1527250/20060328/colter_jessi.jhtml?h

don, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody know anything about some group called Whip Hill Folk Club? I was clearing out my iTunes library, came acroos this tune called "Angels," and despite my aversion to songs that mention angels, especially in the title, it's a charming, front-porch ballad that sees the light on the fiddler's green and has good harmonica and accordion and harmonies. But I have no idea where I got this song. Maybe I should just post a query to ILM at large....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(dang, why didn't that link? Maybe this will:)
http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1527250/20060328/colter_jessi.jhtml?h/

don, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

>needs more songs about going *off* the wagon these days, <

Oddly enough, the *newest* bearfoot hookers CD single (which I hadn't noticed in my pile til now -- one of those thin paper sleeves, you know how it goes) is called "I'd Rather Two-Step Than 12 Step," ha ha, funny title, and one of its lines is actually about "falling off the wagon." So good for them, but the title's the only really clever thing about the song, which is your usual alt-country joke hokiness.

Rachel Williams CD single from cdbbay: First song "Some Things Make Her Cry" mentions Springsteen and the 49ers (presumbably the football team not the old house music group); second song "Get Home" has gospel backup. Not bad, but not enough. Nice voice, forgettable tunes.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Tim - I have Geater's FYPL on tape, I was just after a nice digital copy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Steroid-gobbling wrestler on Nashville Star last night. Shook his finger and flexed his biceps at the camera and every contestant while wearing a baseball cap. Why wan't it on backwards?

Am reading Kevin Phillips' American Theocracy and I'm at the bit on America's official religion and its intolerance and "disenlightenment." And that's Pentecostalism now and the Southern Baptist Convention he says, sounds right to me, so when the one contestant admitted to his P-ism to Wynonna like he should get a pat on the back, I naturally began to hate him. Even though he still sounds like a pro and does as good a job as all the others.

But the show's highpoint was its first episode and now it's just going through the motions, whittling away at the stick, everyone saying "I so do want that recording contract" like the song "All I Want for Christmas is my Two Front Teeth."

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

New in town: Ashley Monroe, small, intense, blonde; looks and sounds in there between needy McReady and latterday Womack. T-R-O-U-B-L-E.

don, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I really like the single, "Satisfied." More demure than Miranda, with a sweet voice that reminds me of Kasey Chambers, but she doesn't play the little girl card too hard. She's, what, 19? I hope the single gets a push, as country radio hasn't been happening for me of late. Every song I like seems to be from last year or the year before.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

That ever-slowass "major" label country release schedule, movin' even slower than Uncle Joe at the Junction nowadays. Is it any wonder this thread has gotten so CDBaybeee

don, Thursday, 30 March 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

& more & more, that's where the quality well as quantity is (and may stay, though some still hope for what's left of the majors, no doubt)

don, Thursday, 30 March 2006 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

im out east for the week, and i know chucks from new york, but its damn hard to find country here, and maybe its my circle, but i qouted pop country twice this week, and people were shockingly suprised..

how much of this shit is geographic

anthony, Thursday, 30 March 2006 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

JOSH ARE YOU GOING TO THAT MIRANDA LAMBERT SHOW AND DID YOU GO TO THE LAST ONE AND HOW WAS IT IF YOU DID?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was last in NYC, I was hanging about with a long-time local who I consider to be a world-class record shopper. I said "I wouldn't mind going to a shop with a good selection of country". He looked puzzled for a minute, and suggested Tower. (If there are such places and he just didn't know about them, I'd be delighted to hear where they are before my next trip there, in June).

The upside of this is that I get to see Lee Ann Womack on Staten Island, in a theatre with a capacity of a couple of thousand. I imagine this venue to be smaller than she would regularly play in towns more receptive to country music.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 30 March 2006 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

>chucks from new york,<

No, no, no, I'm *IN* New York. I am not now and have never been and will never be "from" here, no way. And New York's illiteracy about country has indeed given me the opportunity to see excellent Miranda Lambert, Shelly Fairchild, Lee Ann Womack, Montgomery Gentry, and Big & Rich shows in rather small venues. (I even saw Toby Keith do some industry-only sitdown-and-strum thing maybe five years ago, before I knew who he was! Though I mainly went for the free food, I think.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 30 March 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP Cindy Walker. She was 87 years old. Willie's tribute to her this year is good and timely. "You Don't Know Me" is a desert island song, in more ways than one.

Quite right. We've been talking a bit more about her on this thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm thinking about going, James, haven't seen her before though, didn't even know she'd been through town before in fact.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 30 March 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of country/new york, anybody else going to the CasHank hootenanny tonight at buttermilk? ;)

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Thursday, 30 March 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Man Katie, back in my lower Park Slope (aka South Slope aka South Park aka Greenwood Heights aka EHODE as in East of the Home Depot days), Buttermilk was basically my neighborhood bar, just around the corner from where I lived. By home is Queens now, sigh. Someday I'll go back...

xhuxk, Thursday, 30 March 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i really like their tuesday vinyl nights -- my bf lives down the street so whenever i'm in his hood we either go there or bar 4 (which has a good open mic night). you should make tonight your proud return. :)

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Rodeo Bar still happenin?

don, Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was at actually at Rodeo Bar a few weeks ago and saw (by accident; basically I'd just been in the neighborhood and wandered in) another secret non-Little Willies Norah Jones side project whose name and sound I don't remember much about though if somebody jogged my memory I probably would. They covered lots of old standards by Hank Williams and "people like that" (not all country though), surprise surprise. Norah was one of the backup singers, and had a baseball cap on in a way that people in the audience had no idea it was her.

Anyway.

http://cdbaby.com/cd/tiffanyjoallen2

"Youngest to hit #1 on the Nashville Western Chart!", the cover says. Which is to say she hasn't even been a teenager very long. First song on her album. "Dear Carl," sounds great and wise and detailed and intense, and would have made more sense sung by somebody at least three times Tiffany Jo's age, but she pulls it off. (Unfortunately I listened to it a couple hours ago and can't remember per se' what exactly the details *are,* just that they're there.) Covers of "Blue Moon of Kentucky," "Louisiana Saturday Night" (hey maybe we should talk about Mel McDaniel, he was cool!), "Walkin After Midnight", and "Jambalaya" are well-chosen and done fine; "Living the Life of a Celebrity" seems not bad either. Seems a bit of a gyp that Tiffany Jo doesn't actually *yodel* til the eighth song, "Cowboy Sweetheart," and I'm happy when she finally does, but that's not to say I necessarily wish she yodeled more. "Hero In the Dark" is a sappy ballad that I could totally live without, about how everybody wants to change the world but the ones who do are ones who do it behind the scenes or whatever. Tiffany Jo's got vocal range many would die for I assume, and actually has a rich lower register, though sometimes when she drops down there I get the idea she's saying "Listen, I'm going to go into my rich and bluesy beyond my years lower register now, so watch out and prepare to be impressed." My intern Max just said she sounds like Leann Rimes; and he may well be right -- I've actually never paid attention to Leann's teen era stuff as much as her later dance stuff. (I've always assumed Leann got more interesting later; am I wrong?)

xhuxk, Friday, 31 March 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, when her Daddy was pulling the strings, more of a novelty act: "Look, Granpa, a little girl who sings like Patsy! And just so you won't get the wrong idea, you ol devil, now she's doing 'God Bless America!'" (But he may've also been the one who authorized some good dance mixes.)

don, Friday, 31 March 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, this is the actual tiffany jo CD I have, not the other one:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/tiffanyjoallen1

xhuxk, Friday, 31 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

What I left out is that Tiffany Jo (in her celebrity song, I believe, and other places) seems to have more of a rockabilly bent than Leann and most other Nashvillians tend to. Which I appreciate. (Is that what makes her music "western," or just the yodeling and oldie covers?)

xhuxk, Saturday, 1 April 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Now listening to the new Candi Staton album, *His Hands,* which both Don and Edd talked about a couple months back. A sound record, not a song record, near as I can tell - what do you want, it's on Astralwerks, right? Also as much a gospel record as a country or soul record, to my ears; as as gospel records go, not unplayable I guess. Decent ebb and flow, not much if anything to get excited about. "You Don't Have Very Far To Go," "How Do I Get Over You," and "Running Out of Love" make their presence felt more than most of the tracks, I guess, but I doubt I'll play this again unless somebody convinces me otherwise.

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 April 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

huh...so it turns out that who the sensibility that parts of tiffany jo's album (especially the sensibility of the opener "dear carl," where early-adolescent tiffany gets tired of washing her "husband"'s underwear and finds he's got a grey hair so she says "i'm young and pretty and i'm moving to the city" then signs the letter "your ex-wife" then her much older-sounding blues-talking husband comes in and watches the sky turn black and hears thunder crack then sees God who's white as a ghost and tells him he better buy a Maytag and learn to cook and take his young wife to a beauty salon or he's gonna leave her; but also to a somewhat lesser extent the rockabilly sensibility of "living the life of a celebrity" and "i love my guitar" and some of the covers especially "blue moon of kentucky" going from slow to fast) reminds me of is WHITE STRIPES. Interesting -- maybe even intentional?

xhuxk, Monday, 3 April 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I like folky busker Tim Easton's new one, Ammunition: it's a very modest record, a word record for sure, music mostly there in his more-alert J.J. Cale-ish or maybe younger Priney voice (if Prine had survived throat cancer at 25), but the messages aren't boring. My favorite, " J.P.M.F.Y.F.", translates as Jesus Protect Me From Your Followers.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to the new Toby Keith (barely a week after I finally got his previous one), and holy shit it is sounding great. He split with DreamWorks, got Lari White (who put out her completely slept-on more-soul-than-country-and-it -said-so *Green Eyed Soul* on an indie label last year) (how many female producers are there in Nasvhille or anywhere else for that matter, especially producing macho men like Toby??), and she's filled it up with Dixieland horns and put *Dusty in Memphis*-style orchestrations here and there and she's emphasizing the laid-back *ease* Toby's always been capable of in his singing, and what you get is his most soul-music album ever, as far as far as I can tell. That laid-backedness might mean that some of the songs will detonate less on immediate impact the way his hits always have in the past, but they *sound* so good that they'll have no problem seeping in before long -- Toby's just a way more assured singer than Lari (or probably any other would-be Dusty this decade I could name), so this won't wind up just perty background music. "Note to Self" on now; sounds great. "Get Drunk and Be Somebody" is *less* laid-back, but almost in an old minstrel jazz kind of way; I can't place who it's reminding me of but I will -- one thing I *will* say though is that the way he says "BE somebody" makes me think he''s listened to Ol' Dirty Bastard at least once or twice. Damn, I'm going to be playing this a lot this summer. Could wind up being his best album, period, but I don't want to go out on limb. Right now, I'd say his best since *Unleashed* at least. (Though okay, I just noticed "Ain't No Right Way," partially written by Dean Dillon, which says ethics are black and white and seems to be anti-choice and anti-"people saying our kids aren't allowed to pray in school", what horseshit. So maybe I won''t wind up liking that one. Or maybe I will. With Toby you never know.) (And okay, "Brand New Bow" now, this is country jazz like Merle... what is that, a kazoo? Hoosier Hotshot revival in full force!) (Last song, about sex with an overweight girl, might also be iffy, but again, iffy in a country-jazzy way. Not sure if it's good-hearted yet.) (Last three songs are more of his "bus songs," I just noticed.)

Cool stuff happening at the bottom of the Billboard country songs chart this week:
#58) Hot Apple Pie, "Easy Does It," their Lionel Richie imitation
#59) Ronnie Milsap, "Local Girls," not a Graham Parker cover apparently but Billboard says "tropical flavored" and his first chart spot in six years. I haven't heard it, but I'm guessing I might like this. I should really investigate Ronnie someday -- he's another one of those soul-music-as-country guys. Always loved his "Any Day Now".
#60) Carrie Underwood, "Before He Cheats", her punk rock revenge song!
#61) Cledus T. Judd parody of Three-6 Maffia's current hit, on how soul food is an excellent fiber source: "Ever Since I Could Remember I Been Poopin' my Collards." Okay, I just made that one up. Sorry.

I wonder how much those Hot Apple Pie and Carrie songs are getting radio-played. More promising titles: "The Seashores of Old Mexico" George Strait #21, "If You're Going Through Hell (Before the Devil Even Knows)" Rodney Atkins #32, "Chicken Fried" the Lost Trailers #52. Anybody heard any of these? And who are the Lost Trailers, anyway?


xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kidmans

OK, I want FRANK to listen to this one and figure it out. Are you out there, Frank? Three harmonizing Christian sisters who seem to want to look like the Dixie Chicks, all majoring in music at the University of Arizona, none of whom EVER seem to smile in any of their pictures. The first SEVEN (out of ten) songs on their album, including their uncharacteristically (at least comparatively) upbeat cover of "Ticket to Ride", all seem to be breakup songs. The first few, especially, strike me as very very dark, not to mention souped up with tons of Jim Steinman doing Bonnie Tyler melodrama. Opener "You're All I See" is the most over-the-top bombastic of all, but the close triple harmonies in it (is this a classical-training thing? a puritan Protestant church choir thing?) come off to me almost like some *Saturday Night Live* EZ-listening skit making fun of middle-aged ladies and their square square music, and its words are about going insane and feeling like you're locked in a cage in the heat of the desert, and after a stab at Spanish guitars, at the end the harmonies climb toward an almost operatic climax. Second song, right off the bat, concerns a disabled person and a suicide, so even darker, and though angels save the day they don't make the song any more cheerful. Next few songs are almost as dour, though "Marble Rain" seems to have a little bit of Stylistics or something in its melody, and the mood picks up a little for "Ticket to Ride" then the quite poppy "Between the Lines," which are still breakup songs nonetheless as far as I can tell, so by then you're wondering if they all broke up with the same guy (Jesus, maybe??); either way, they've got issues and they seem to want us to know it. Finally track 8 "Arizona Sunsets" is about finding an escape from climbing the ladder of success to the glass ceiling (they actually say "ceiling"), and the album closest with its funkiest track, a cover of Stevie Wonder's "I Just Called to Say I Love You" which, like the Beatles cover, is forgettable but not bad. Their cdbaby page seems to suggest they self-identify as country (where else would they find an audience these days?), but I honestly don't hear much country here. And I honestly don't LIKE it much, but I'm still kind of in awe -- especially of that first song, which strikes me as fairly ridiculous, but also fully audacious in a way that I may not quite be getting.

xhuck, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops, Arizona State Universiry not "U of A" (does anybody call it that?)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

and ok, on their actual website, they do smile sometimes. but the photos where they really look sad or pissed-off definitely get priority.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

the four new songs on tim mcgraw's *greatest hits vol. 2* seem okay, but not great. the ryan adams cover, "when the stars go blue," is probably my favorite of the bunch; it's really pretty, and i'm guessing tim (who i bet sings it better than ryan does, but i don't remember ever hearing ryan's version so who knows?) likes the song for same reason he liked "tiny dancer," whatever that is. "my little girl" hits my heart a little since i'm the dad of a daughter big deal, but it's another one of those dorky songs that will piss frank off since it rests on the assumption that tim's daughter will definitely want to grow up to get married, and to a (gag) "man's man" no less. "i've got friends that do" is do-gooder "i'm not a junkie or in prison or poor or jesus but i can sort of empathize with them a little so i won't judge them" sap, slightly soft-rocked, who cares. "beautiful people" (as in here is the church and here is the steeple open the doors etc etc etc) is neglible (though better than the marilyn manson version.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

>You're All I See"... words are about going insane and feeling like you're locked in a cage in the heat of the desert<

..'cause you're haunted by the memory of the dude you just broke up with, and no matter what you do you can't shake the obsession (i meant to say.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

the most over-the-top bombastic of all, but the close triple harmonies in it (is this a classical-training thing? a puritan Protestant church choir thing?)

Sounds to me like an Auto-Tune thing. It's kinda hard to tell though over the net, but the harmonies have that flattened out quality. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I guess, but I'm not sure it's so good either. I like the version of "Ticket to Ride" though.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's interesting how the country audience has moved from being primarily poor, rural, whites, to largely urban grups.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

[MOD NOTE -- the below is not an actual quote from sara evans, but a tasteless parody.] "We know your husbands are dead, but here's a song to help you widows
remember the good times, when they would get home from work and you would make dirty love with them till it was time for 'em to get up and go to work again. You
did all do that, right?" -- Sara Evans dedicating "Coalmine" to an audience in West Virginia

Her intentions are admirable, but the sign outside her mind reads Vacancy.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops, that was my bad. Sara didn't say that. It was a parody, and my mind is vacant enough tonight that I didn't get the satire. Anybody know how to get in touch with a mod to have them delete that post?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

>There is a female country singer named "Bomshel" (as in bombshell, apparently) who has a debut album coming out on Curb this year<

..and her single "country music love song" just entered the country chart at #59. (i got 2 billboards in the mail in the 2 days! hot apple pie as lionel now up to 54, carrie underwear i mean underwood keying cars up to 57, milsap down to 60). but i want to hear bomshel!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i havent heard coalmine yet, i need to hear more chart, go thru the chart again.

god is nashville star boring

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

So not that anybody cares, but the context for my faux pas above is the following press release, which is genuine:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April 4, 2006

SARA EVANS AND WRITERS OF NEW SINGLE “COALMINE” BAND TOGETHER WITH RECORD
LABEL AND PUBLISHERS TO AID WEST VIRGINIA FAMILIES

April 4, 2006 -- Multi-platinum country superstar Sara Evans has joined
forces with her record label, RCA Records; writers Ron Harbin, Richie McDonald and
Roxie Dean; and publishers Harbinism.com Music, Sony/ATV Music Publishing and
Zomba Music Publishing to donate a portion of the proceeds from with her new
single “Coalmine” to a life needs/education fund for the families of the Sego
mine disaster in West Virginia.

Evans, currently on tour with label mate Brad Paisley, recently performed in
Morgantown, WV where they invited the families of the Sego mine disaster to
attend a special reception followed by the concert. Having spent time with
these families, Evans was moved by their strength and decided that she wanted to
find a way to contribute.

"It is truly a blessing that because of this song, so many different people
are able to come together to contribute to these families who have been through
so much," said Sara Evans.

The songwriters of “Coalmine,” Ron Harbin, Richie McDonald and Roxie Dean,
were also watching and reading about the Sego disaster and began to look for a
way to help out. Upon hearing that “Coalmine” would be the next single from
Evans’ album Real Fine Place, they contacted Evans’ management and record
label stating that they would like to donate a portion of the proceeds from this
record to the West Virginia families. RCA Records, Harbinism.com Music,
Sony/ATV Music Publishing and Zomba Music Publishing, a division of BMG Music
Publishing, were immediately on board to contribute as well.

“Ron, Roxie and I were saddened as we watched the news in West Virginia
unfold,” commented Richie McDonald. “When our song was chosen as the next single
for Sara Evans, we immediately knew that this was our chance to help make a
difference for these families who have been through so much.”

Working with West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin’s office, a foundation was
identified that will help the families with everyday needs as well as lend
assistance with their children’s education. Anyone who would like to make a
personal contribution can do so by purchasing a commercial digital download of
“Coalmine” available at iTunes, Walmart Digital Downloads, Napster, Real/Rhapsody,
MusicMatch, Microsoft, SonyConnect and Y! Music. A portion of the proceeds
from all digital downloads will contribute to the fund.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

tim mcgraw sounds like a robot singing "stars go blue" -- no surprise considering the amount of reverb and effects applied to his vocals. adams' voice was very pretty-boy on the original. i think julianna raye sang harmonies on it, it was delicious.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

is there a weird disney pinochio ref in the first lines of that song? and i really like it, i just dont know why

anthony, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to get the new Toby album. In the mean time, I'll keep listening to this new James Hunter record on Rounder. I don't think I've ever heard this guy before, though I guess he's been around since the '80s. British neo-Sun r&b guy, voice like Charlie Rich, some flash-it-back-and-hold-it guitar slinging, rockabilly and ska and Hoodoo Man Blues rhythms, and a lot of really good songs, all originals I think.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

james hunter puts on a good show.

anthony, are you refering to the wooden shoes bit?

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

from rolling metal:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/lucasmccain

Lucas McCain, *New Horizon,* yet another excellent cdbaby Southern rock/country-metal album (from Georgia this time) nobody's gonna care about but me and George, though others should. 2006 copyright, too! Anyway, a brief rundown: "New Horizon" (Skynyrdesque gimme-three-steps boogie woogie, they totally know how to dance), "Long Hot Summer Night" (Mellencamp/Adams '80s-style words, riff somewhere between "Run to You" and "Money for Nothing" but heavier + more boogiefied), Home On their Minds" (lament honoring the troops, hoping for peace in a strange land with death all around them), "Gimme Some of That" (funky rock namedropping Bocephus and Skynyrd and saying no-sell-out and we miss that old time rock and roll it's the music that saves our soul), "One Bad Love (Don't Make It Bad)" (divorce lament suggesting, no kidding, John Conlee leading the Marshall Tucker Band), "Does Anybody Care" (gutbust lament where the vocal verges into Eddie Vedder territory though that's just 'cause, as I believe Frank Kogan observed in *Radio On* many years ago, Vedder sang like David Clayton-Thomas; beautiful twin-guitar ending), "Concrete Cowboy" (Charlie Daniels doing "Legend of Wooley Swamp"-style rapneck), "Working on Tomorrow" (riff recalling Eddie Money's "I Think I'm in Love" only heavier.) And there's a couple other songs too (and many other lovely guitar parts).

I also love that they've opened for both Mother's Finest and the Kentucky Headhunters, that's very cool.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of bocephus, he is now on the country singles chart at #44, with a song called "that's how we do it in dixie" in which he is allegedly (i haven't heard it) joined by gretchen wilson, van zant, and big & rich, the latter pair of whom scored with a big hit single last year protesting physical assaults of the womenfolk. hmmmm:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0404061_hank_williams_1.html

xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesting Kelefa review in the *Times* this morning of the new Toby Keith album. He likes it, but as frustratingly seems increasingly to be the case with the Kelefa, he seems to be reviewing the lyric sheet much more than the music. A shame, since the music on this one is what makes it great, I think; I wonder of Kelefa has noticed how *different* for Toby it sounds. He does catch some things I didn't, though -- for instance, that the thing with a big bow tied around it in Toby's new birthday song might be part of Toby's body...Anyway, as I said before, that's supposed to be one of Toby's "bus songs"; i.e., they're songs that his band sings on the bus, not meant for the radio. Just for fun, or whatever. Which obviously is something Toby uses as a trap door -- if you're not amused by, say, the song about sexing up the fat girl, you're just taking it too seriously. He doesn't put these on every album -- I'd have to go back and check, but I recall that he definitely did it on *Shock 'n' Y'all,*, with the "Ahab the Arab"-style song from the point of view of the Middle Eastern guy fleeing the Taliban and the one about smoking dope with Willie. Toby pretends these aren't part of the "real" album, though of course they really ARE (just like all so-called CD "bonus tracks" these days). So he can get away with stuff he otherwise couldn't, novelties and stuff. Not surprisingly, they're frequently among his more lively tracks.

Australian Angel City fan Leanne Kingwell's "More" (not nearly one of her most rocking songs, but still) is allegedly getting played on terrestrial country stations in Stillwater, OK (KGFY) and Sheridan, WY (KYTI), not to mention Internet stations LexCountry out of Lexington KY and USA Radio Country out of Eagle, ID. I mentioned her cdbaby album, which I love, on the metal and teen-pop threads, but oddly did not think to mention it here. So I'm gonna cut and paste in a sec.

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:02 (eighteen years ago) link

here goes:

so, stop the presses, this album from australia is what avril and kelly (and uh, maybe even ashlee and skye and hope) *should* sound like. which is to say, like the first-album divinyls except less arty and more consistently catchy and funny and sexy, often (in "you stink" and the great and hilarious and furious cheated-on-revenge single "holding your gun" for instance) doing a fast mott the hoople (or angel city?) boogie-woogie hard rock under thick guitar buzz. the *gun* EP threw me at first because it opens with leanne kingwell (that's her name, remember it) doing two power ballads (one of them apparently a cover, since it's credited to john watts and the lyrics aren't in the lyric booklet of the album) with prim and proper aussie pronunciation like for instance pronouncing "france" "frontz", but in the course of the album (now called *show ya what,* which seems to be mostly a reissue of the 2005 album that's up on cdbaby, with "holding your gun" replacing "back to me" and the track order shuffled) the ballads make way more sense, partially by being less plentiful...and okay, i also just noticed that the track "be with you" is credited to brewster/brewster/neeson, which means i was RIGHT about the angel city comparison. "blind" is credited to one james stewart; the rest are kingwell herself. "drop your pants" starts out like "hey little girl" by the syndicate of sound (which the divinyls covered), then gets tougher and thicker, like the sonics, but the effect isn't '60s garage rock nostalgia at all, probably because leann's vocals (basically, she sings a lot like christina amphlett at her most rocking) are the most powerful element in the mix. and also maybe as a tribute to christina, in "my hero" she touches herself. with her vibrator. which is better than you. predicton (probably premature, but who cares, what else is new with me): *show ya what* could wind up being one of the best albums of 2006; "holding your gun" might be one of the best singles.

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kingwell

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kingwell2

-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 28th, 2006.

okay, didn't notice these; she's even cooler than i thought:

>"I saw The Angels gig at the Palace in 2000 and it absolutely knocked me out. I was one of a dozen girls in a room of about 1500 guys who just went off and knew the words to every song. That gig got me thinking about how to create some kick arse rock n' roll that girls would dig as much as guys."<

>A four track EP featuring a cover of Fischer Z's 1980 smash "So Long" plus 2 originals.<

and yeah (as reviews on those pages say) i definitely hear the easybeats and suzi quatro in there, too.

-- xhuxkx (xedd...), March 28th, 2006.

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Or uh (listening to Toby again), maybe the reason Kelefa didn't talk about the music being such a departure is because the music is NOT as much of a departure as I suggest above? I dunno. Now all the parts that *aren't* more soul or jazz than Toby's been before are jumping out at me (and, to be honest, it's not like even the jazziness, where it exists, is entirely new; he did that on *Shock n Y'all* some too, as I recall.) Still loving a lot of it, though "Ain't No Right Way" is offending me as much for the soggy-dish-rag-ness of its sound as the soggy-dish-rag-ness of its politics now. "Runnin' Block," the song about the chubby girl, is actually about playing the wing man for a buddy, still not sure what I think of it overall beyond its moral assholitude, but I actually really like the sound of its chorus, which reminds of something from the '70s and which always confuses me into thinking it's about football (which maybe it is, sort of). Something in its jazzy storytelling also somehow brings to mind Tom T Hall, and I think there are other moments on here when I think of Hall too. (He could be as jazzy as Merle, actually--and in a Dixieland minstrel way. Also as good natured as any songwriter ever; no wonder Jimmy Carter was his pal. Though his sense of ethics clearly put Toby's to shame.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

> He doesn't put these on every album -- I'd have to go back and check<

On the cover the new CD the last three songs are called "Bus Songs Session #2," so yeah, I guess this is the only time he's done it besides *Shock N Y'all.* And I meant to steal Frank's "escape hatch" metaphor in regards to these, not his "trap door" metaphor. Though I guess it's more honest than coming up with an entirely different alter ego, like David Allan Coe and Clarence Reid have done. (Not that Toby has ever done anything approaching the outrageousness of those guys' sideline stuff.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the wooden shoes, and isnt their a song on the pinnocho soundtrack that features blue stars?

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

did anyone hear the tim mcgraw special yesterday?

an unrelated amusing anecdote
hes also working w. bochephus, and lives in the old hank/audery home--which apparently is civil war old, so hank jr and tim mcgraw try to figure out which bullet holes are "civl war or hank/audrey war'

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

if i remember correctly, there's a blue fairy pinnochio's tale, but no blue stars.

don -- cute lil ashley monroe came into the office yesterday. has the sharp nuance of dolly. she's 19 and i really wanted to hate her but could not.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

#61) Cledus T. Judd parody of Three-6 Maffia's current hit, on how soul food is an excellent fiber source: "Ever Since I Could Remember I Been Poopin' my Collards." Okay, I just made that one up. Sorry.

WHY OH WHY CAN'T THIS BE TRUE.

random thoughts/questions:

Saw Sara Evans on the CMT countdown show talking about meeting with the miners' wives and it was pretty vacant. Why is she such a terrible judge of her own music lately? I want "Bible Song" and "New Hometown" as singles.

I just listened to the new Shooter Jennings for the first time and thought it sounded pretty terrible. Do I need to give it another chance or can I safely file it away?

I weep at my inability to keep up with this thread.

(And M@tt -- you know I was country when country wasn't cool!)

chris herrington (chris herrington), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I, too, would like more info on the Shooter Jennings album please. I haven't heard any of it. (Xhuxk, what says you?)

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Electric Rodeo," first song on the Shooter Jennings, bluesy rock about travelin' on the road. "All I know is the guitar and the bottle." Disappointing actually, not because there's anything inherently wrong with it but because there's absolutely no surprise in it. As it goes on the song seems to kick harder for me, though maybe that's owing to my absorbing its kick.

Je4nn3, I wish you'd visit the teenpop thread more often.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay Frank! I will. (I like the new Aly & AJ song kind of a lot.)

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Ashley Monroe "I Don't Wanna Be," first track on her album Satisfied. Strong vibrant accent, maybe Kentucky or Tennessee (not that I know shit about accents.) The voice is strong, the slide guitar is strong. The lyrics are a bit incongruous in relation to the voice: a woman without a man telling us that for all the time men can be disappointing and fail to mow the lawn or take out the garbage, she'd rather be with a man than be without. My one-song first impression is that this woman could be due Lee Ann Womack–size respect, though I'd like more interesting lyrics.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i really love the new jesse colter

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the title song and opening track of Electric Rodeo is an unnec followup to the title song and opening track of Put The O Back In Country (although that un has a beat that's even goofier and much more likable than its point, about how he's gonna dare to rock and otherwise re-pallusize the c word; good thing nobody tried to play him any Montgomery G, although he's smiled on Van Zant, and in fact refuses to criticize anybody specifically, inlc. his buddies Rascal Flatts--which may mean he's pretty close to admitting he's jiving, and/or is a liberal as well as potsmoker! In any case, though says wants to make music for "young people" instead of "adult women," at least insofar as latter are dominatrix audience of current c*y--also says his very Adult woman girlfriend, Drea Di Matteo, late of The Sopranos, is the one who prevailed on him to name the album that!) But he's not really that macho, nor trying to be, and the rest of the album is an improvement over the first. Both have good songs, but he's really learned something about transitions within and between tracks. As for the former, was thinking "Bad Magick" wasn't slammin' me like intended, but then got me its wake, a wicked undertow (listen on headphones). The good version of my impending CharLoaf feature on Shooter (and what he might've learned from working with Jessi, and listening to the way she put her album together) will be on the blog, eventually. I really wanna hear Kingwell, really don't wanna hear Kidwells please xxxus. Xhuxx, "Tiny Dancer" is what the busload of penitent rockers start singing in Cameron Crowe's movie about his apprenticeship with Lester Bangs: it's uneasy like Sunday morning, so they're all,"Hold me clooser, Tiny Da-ah-an-cah," Elton, you know, but the way they sing in it, and in that context, in the trailer, has forever kept me from seeing that movie, even though the excellent Philip Seymour Hoffman plays Bangs, before he played Capote (now there's a good movie). Katie, preparing to listen to Ashley's album now,,,

don, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

>more info on the Shooter Jennings album please. (Xhuxk, what says you?)<

I like it! See waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay upthread, like around January 16. I need to pull the thing back out though. The songs about hangovers and sniffing cocaine are best I think.

xhuxk, Friday, 7 April 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

So this morning I'm thinking about "My Town" by Montgomery Gentry: "Sunday morning service at the Church of Christ," that's what they say, right? I wonder how intentional the denomination was, or if they just thought it sounded good. Because the Church of Christ, as I understand (or maybe misunderstand) it, is actually a fairly mainline Protestant denomination, nothing like all those creepy conservative fundamentalist Pentecostal ones. And the UNITED Church of Christ is supposedly extremely liberal (a piece on the Time's Nation page this morning reminded me of this), opening its doors to gays, etc. (Not sure if United C of C is connected to Regular C of C or not, though.)

xhxuk, Friday, 7 April 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck what say you of ashley?

the lyrics weren't cringe-worthy but they did make me tilt my head into the upright and locked "huh" position considering she's 19 and she did the majority of the writing for this album when she was 17 (and sometimes younger). i guess that's a popular ageist complaint, but at the same time its hard for me to invest in her sincerity in lovers lost, etc. when she's my lil cousin's age. and i'm a dour old lady at the age of 24!

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

>chuck what say you of ashley?<

first impression (i.e., two and a half songs in to her album)? she sounds kinda slow and lacks bounce, and i'd take many of the unknown cdbaby acts on this thread over her easy. also, i think it's rather odd that she says desperate housewives both complain about their husbands no longer mowing lawn AND that the grass is always greener on the other side. this implies that lawnmowing increases green-ness, which is certainly not always the case. (my opinion may well change, though.)

xhuxk, Friday, 7 April 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

album seems to finally wake up a little from its torpor toward the three-quarters mark (i.e., track #8, the song where the guy's calling her from san jose or whatever's happening -- though the one after that, where she does the eddie rabbit talking blues things and gets wacky like a shania for ONE WHOLE SECOND, isn't really working for me despite being not slow, maybe not even midtempo), but I gotta say there's something tastefully teacher's pettish about ashley that's bugging me. she's hitting me like a nostalgia act, and not in a very fun way. she needs leann womack's producer or something (unless she already has her; I didn't check). I dunno, probably she'll click eventually, that's how these things work. Right now, though, she's honestly having trouble holding my attention. (But yeah, I can imagine the Good Taste Brigade loving her. Which is maybe why I'm resisting.)

xhuxk, Friday, 7 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

On my way to Ashley, sidetracked by Black Sage. They remind me of a countrypoprocking Wide Right: robustly uncommon "everyday people." Also like WR in seeming at first to veer from sparse to spare, but turn up the bass. So far, Leah Archibald grabs me a bit more, because she's confrontational like that (re sex and death, for inst, but Black Sage's Kathy deals with those too)thx xhuxx

don, Friday, 7 April 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, Ashley: funny how Black Sage, those lovable locals, pick up the tempo, while the Nashville tracks don't know how to sustain initial interest--so many ballads, so much time. The neediness sounds convincing enough. Reading the bio after listening, re what "she still sees as an idyllic life," before her father suddenly died when she was 11 ("often the age of puberty for today's youth", says Dr Joyce Brothers), and how her family went "into freefall" after that, and "with few friends among often callous classmates," how she could look so hungrily at taken-for-granted, supposedly sweet deals of ungrateful married women. And covering Kasey Chambers' "Pony," with come-hither-when-I'm-legal drawlpretty much to the tune of Peggy Lee's "Fever"), before stalking the guy (who has a grown woman, way ahead of her)to verses that sound like Neil's "Old Man," before reaching out, falling short, trailing with a few more notes anyway, in "Satisfied."(But in between she's still sounding young and damaged, she's been "Used, passed around")Then she does find a guy! Who's as little ol' as she is, and "That's Why We Call Each Other Baby," goo-goo--but he's--Dwight Yoakam, old, bald, and a dirt sandwich (this last according to Sharon Stone). Oh man. Lucinda's "It's Over" is faster, but needs some false stops or something to go with it's thing about she can't let go. Not enough titles provided so far, but there's one that is faster and works like that should: a Terri Clark-type blowing up her self-image of poor poor pitiful me like Harry Smith's headlines, til it's lying in the street, underneath a white sheet (do a video of that). And she's in the back of "Hank's Cadillac," making him drink his coffee black, cos you just gotta make that next show, be fair to the folks, but it's not working, she's clutching his little skinny carcass to her bosom, and--oh god,maybe this thing will brainwash me, but right now it's dropping most of these High Concepts. At least "Hank's Cadillac" has some narrative. The one that sounds like it's intended to be the followup to "Satisfied" makes the usual sargasso seizure irrelevent, cos (as with "Satisfied") the chorus sounds so nice, I don't need to go anywhere else.

don, Friday, 7 April 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

And speaking of so much time, it ain't out til June 27. So maybe it will brainwash me by then.(Thaat's why Country Majors release things so slowwly, now I get it...)

don, Friday, 7 April 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

george from metal thread:

Leanne Kingwell's Show Ya What: Boogie woogie rock and roll, with brassy chick, right away for fans of the Blackhearts, the early Kim Fowley jailbait and guitars sound. Squealing and tuneful lead guitar, rupture your liver in the middle class bar while dancing to the hooks. She's holding a gun, her cheatin' boyfriend's, get outta here with that other wench's lipstick on yer collar. You taught me how to use it, she sez, and I'm keeping it.
Also seems to have something to do sonically with Kings of the Sun and the personal vocal style of Angel City's Doc Neeson. (Or the Angels as she'd call them.)
Oh boy, now there's a great pumping roadhouse organ -- or old timey skate rink -- on "Be With You." Lots of crunch on the guitars and bass.
Tommy James-style "Crimson & Clover" tremolo on "So Long." Boy, along with the old Conwell CDs, a history book of classic radio ready guitar licks and roughed-up and dirty pop rock singing.
-- George 'the Animal' Steele (georg...), April 7th, 2006.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

and frank (who *did* make a country connection) from teenpop thread:

o far I'm liking but not loving Leanne Kingwell. For some reason the name that pops into my head when listening to her isn't any of the teenpoppers or the Divinyls or Suzi Quatro etc. (though I'm not saying the latter too aren't relevant) but Shooter Jennings; the same almost-nothing of a vocal-cord digging into itself and managing to scoop out a voice for itself.
Not that a cross between Shooter and Lindsay wouldn't be worth something...
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), March 30th, 2006.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite songs on Toby Keith's *White Trash With Money* this morning, oops I mean afternoon (I got up late): "Get Drunk and Be Somebody," "Little Too Late," "Note to Self," and, gulp, "Running Block." I give in. The middle two are slow ones, interestingly enough.

Current album that makes most sense in a CD changer along with *White Trash With Money*: Dean Martin's 1955 *Swingin' Down Yonder,* reissued this month by Collector's Choice. I've never gotten into Dino much -- "That's Amore," "Volare," that's about it. And I've never thought much about him being connected to country music, though obviously Elvis (and Jerry Lee maybe?) considered him a huge influence. But this album (only the second one by him listed chronoligically at AMG, so I would assume one of his first?) is all songs about the South* -- about the Carolinas, and Georgia, and New Orleans, and Basin Street, and the Robert E. Lee and so on, some dating back to the 20s or even 10s (really informative liner notes by James Ritz), and it sounds like he's picking up on what Hoagy Carmichael (I guess - -somebody correct my chronology if I'm way off) picked up from Al Jolson or whoever. (I'm sure I'm missing several important intermediate steps along the way, and would be curious to know what they are.) Anyway, the minstrelized (I guess) yet smoothed out Dixieland-pop sound here isn't far from the jazz the shows up on Toby's new album (and that Merle and Tom T touched on before.) It totally swings, and Dino's signing makes it sound warm and good-humored, even if, obviously, a lot of the lyrics are probably (though maybe not explicitly, as far as I've noticed so far) nostalgia for the good old days of the old plantation south before the War. Anybody else have thoughts on this? And what does it mean that it's still part of country's defintion of soulfulness in 2006?

* -actually looks like there are also four bonus tracks on the CD reissue, *not* about the South. One's abotu Paris! I'ld think that might compromise the concept, but maybe not.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

johnny berry and the outliers, *fegenbush farm*: neo-honky tonky retro country featuring one johnny cash cover, "mean eyed cat." don't hate it, don't like it. bleh. resembles junor brown with everything fun and interesting taken out. also makes me think even higher of dale watson, in that it proves pulling off this kinda stuff isn't as easy as it might seem.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

xhuxk say:
Calexico, *Garden Ruin*: Wow, dullsville. What happened to the desert (the Tex-Mex and the good and the bad and the ugly) in these guys' sound? I like *Feast of Wire* a few years ago. This is just another alt-country folk=snooze record, at least for the first few songs at least, though I notice that it does pick up speed a pinch by track #5 "Letter to Bowie Knife" and finally a little mariachi and Spanish words come in for track #6 "Roka." But by then it's too fucking late.

Just finally got this and listened and I actually had to check the lyric sheet to actually verify that they'd put the right album into the CD case. Every so often I'd drift away and start thinking I was listening to some Ryan Adams outtakes record.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 8 April 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Re Dino: Just noticed that at least one song rhymes "mammy" with "Alabamy."

And by the way, have I noted how over the top insanely great that *Texas Bohemia: Polkas Waltzes Schottisches: The Texas Bohemian-Moravian-German Bands* album I bought at Princeton Record Exchange a couple weeks ago is? Well, it is. It's barely left my CD changer since, and the amazing thing is that I keep forgetting it's not Mexican music, which it absolutely sounds like until they start singing in German or whatever. Some of the bands are really big, but some of them just seem to consist of nothing more than a drum and a tuba. Pick hits: Adolph Hofner "Beautiful America - Waltz" 1959 (in which he says everything in America is beautiful including the girls. I have a great album on vinyl by him, too. Must have been really hard to have a name like that in America in the 50s!); Vrazel & Majeks & Bobby Jones Czech Band "Corn Cockle Polka" 1992 (party in the background rock!), Tuba Meisters "Edelweiss" 1993 (yes, that "Edelweiss", but not the "Bring Me..." one); Henry Tannenberger & his Orchestra "On Our Porch Polka" 1986 (on Oompah Records out of San Antonio!); The Red Ravens "Stone Heart Waltz" 1977; Leroy Ryback's Swinging Orchestra "El Rancho Grande" 1985; Knutsch Band "Zwei Wie Mir Zwei" 1993; Vrazels & Majeks & Bobby Jones Czech Band (again!) "A Ja Sam (All By Myself)" 1992.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got those Dean Martin reissues too,but haven't listened yet. That kind of jazzy pop seemed to combine nostalgia (incl for something you don't and couldn't remember, but what the Old South and/or Old Folks Down or Back Home are associated with, in your mind incl social conditioning) with something that seemed newer, maybe still coming around the bend: the Swing era, and then the experience of downhome sons (incl Steubenville Ohio's Dino)encountering change in WWII (with all the nostalgia-mongering morale-boosting in that too: Al Jolson beginning his comeback while entertaining the troops in Europe and North Africa, etc)Not that the results might not have to do, in some cases, with Kurt Vonnegut's description of his fellow Hoosier and WWII vet Ernie Pyle, as a "globe-trotting rube." But either way involves "a little travelin music", as Bob Wills would say, and his fan Merle, who helped keep intrerest in western swing alive in the 70s, has long worked both the more adventurous and reactionary sides of that interest, and has offered to do a concert with Toby and Natalie. But also, way before that Hoagy-Dino sandwich, re that Ned Harrigan thing I sent you, xxhuxx, his innovative shows, came out of his experience of travelling in minstrel shows and early vaudeville (one of the regulars in Harrigan's troup was Tony Pastor, credited as the inventor of vaudeville), and he let his blackface characters give his Irish immigrant characters hell, not that they weren't often played by the same actors (quickchange artists,hell) His competitors incl. Gilbert & Sullivan and P.T. Barnum and Wild Bill's Wild West Show and lecturers like Mark Twain and Charles Dickens. (Harrigan hyped as "the American Dickens"; "American Zola," even!) all with the travelling version and vision of somthing that somehow still rings true, for lil folks like me and you. (Barnum's freak show a mutation of village quaintness, but so was minstrelsy, and jazzy nostalgia too, at times.)

don, Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"Still rings true" in that sentence meant mostly for the audiences of late 19th Century, but some of it for 20th, and 21th, as show biz continues to mutate and recombine ("The public wants something different, and the same": that's part of the story too)

don, Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Don -- and yeah, a lot of these old south and minstrel issues, I'm realizing, fit into discussions about the books *Southwest Shuffle: Pioneers of Honky-Tonk, Western Swing, and Country Jazz* by Rich Kienzle toward the start of this thread and *Speadin' Rhythm Around: Black Popular Songwriters, 1880-1930* toward the end of last year's.

A couple other thoughts/questions about the Dino reissue:

1) I'm realizing that it's never been especially clear to me what exactly Dixieland music (note its name!) *was.* Ritz's liner notes say, "combining elements of New Orleans, classic, and Chicago jazz, Dixieland came into is own in the 1920s." But who did the combining?

2) On the back of the original vinyl version of said album (reproduced small on the back of the CD's inner sleeve), a drum and bugle corps are mraching with a Confederate flag.

3) Clearly one of the obvious "intermediate steps along the way" I allude to above was, duh, Bing Crosby, who went #1 with "Dinah," which Martin covers, in 1932. The album is *all* covers, the notes say, and was partially a response to all the concept albums Sinatra had started putting out in the early '50s. And yeah, as far as I can tell, it does seem to be just Martin's second album. Other songs covered, according to the notes, were originally hits for the Heidelberg Quartet, Paul Whiteman's Rhythm Boys (at least three of them), the Mills Brothers (they did "Dinah" too, or maybe with Bing?), Gene Krupa with Anita O'Day, Jimmy Dorsey, Ozzie Nelson, Gene Austin, and a 20s comedy duo called Van & Shneck. "Way Down Yonder in New Orleans" wound up being a million seller for rock'n'roller Freddie Cannon (who was great, by the way) five years after Martin's version, in 1959.

4) Ritz refers to Martin "singing in much the casual manner in which he spoke, which, for lack of better designation, could be called 'conversational singing.'" So could many of Toby Keith's best performances, it occurs to me. As could "laid back drawl that was not quite southern, but a far cry for the east coast sophistication practiced by most male singers of the day." Not unlike (from the LP's *original* notes) Martin's "easy golf swing."

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Grrr. I mean **SPREADIN' Rhythm Around: Black Popular Songwriters, 1880-1930* (by David A Jasen and Gene Jones) (which, like that country jazz book, I never finished.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

far cry FROM the east coast sophistication.
MARCHING with the Confederate Flag
And 1959 - 1955 = four not five. Dammit.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

It's really you but no one ever discovers

Those of so foolish as not to haunt the teenpop thread may be unaware that Miley and her dad Billy Ray have a TV show, in which - I gather from the theme song, which is all TV-less me knows of it - by day she's a regular middle-schooler, but at night she twirls around like Sailor Moon and takes on a SECRET IDENTITY as a... as a... well, you'll just have to look for yourself.

The theme song's OK, likable enough, not grebt.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 8 April 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

yikes!

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/polka/bands.html

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy Moly! What a list, and then it's got Feature Articles: I gotta order something from the Hobo Shiner Band, and Czech And Then Some. Yeah, Toby's early "Close, But No Guitar" fit with the way you describe those tracks on his new album, and also "Who's Your Daddy," although he kinda ruined that for me by putting it right after the opening salvo of jingo; just seemed waaay too smug and smarmy in that context (not that it's all that great when I hear it in other settings). Speaking of middle-age spreading into beer commercials, the video's live version of "Get Drunk And Be Somebody" makes the Devils Disciples sound like King Crimson---hope the studio version's better.

don, Sunday, 9 April 2006 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, that URL totally hit the jackpot. Stay tuned...

That Sweethearts of the Rodeo album from '96 I got in Princeton doesn't really cut it for me, though others might think differently. Whoever owned the copy before me had stuck a Xeroxed Alanna Nash review from *Stereo Review* inside the booklet, and Alanna praises it for containing "much more eclectic material than their mainstream county records ever hinted at": i.e, a gospel song, lots of bluegrass, covers of Donovan ("Catch the Wind") and Dylan ("One More Night," never heard of it before) and Jimmie Rodgers, plus what Alanna claims are hints of '60s pop and Celtic folk. I'm guessing that I'd prefer their less eclectic manistream country records (from 10 years before, so mid '80s, Alanna says) myself. I prefer midnight girls in a sunset town to museum curators, which they sound like here.

The Carlene Carter album I bought seems consisently kinda fun but never quite fun *enough*, at least so far. Maybe I wish her poppabilly was more rockabilly, "The Sweetest Thing" is slow, and could amost be a Lorrie Morgan hit from around that time; "Goodnight Dallas," which I like more than most of the tracks, has mariachi horns and yodels, so it's "western" I guess. I'm still waiting for at least one track though to jump out at me as much as, say, "Montgomery to Memphis," which jumped right out of the self-titled Leann Womack CD I bought the second I finally put it in the changer today. So right now I'd say Leann beats Carlene beats the Sweethearts, though Carlene could still win this race.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 April 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, Cock Robin. They're kinda interesting. I especially like "El Norte," where the voice of the girl Cockrobin dominates over the boy Cockrobin, and "Every Moment," which if I'd guess was the hit if I had to guess, though Joseph, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still somehow hearing them as belonging in the same category as Quarterflash and Will to Power, though I'm not sure why, beyond a man and woman switching off singing. Also, they're not nearly as eccentric or lively as Quarterflash or Will to Power. Though hardly anybody is, to be fair. Not sure how much more I have to say about them, beyond that. I'm not familiar with most of the groups Joseph compared them to up above. I do get the idea that they weren't cow-towing to any mainstream I'm aware of, despite being mainstream. Most likely they're part of some '80s adult genre I've never before given much thought to.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 April 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

AMG suggests I was wrong about the hit, but maybe right about linking them to country:

>More mature, After Here Through Midland lacks the sparkle of Cock Robin's debut. The one time they engaged an American producer in Don Gehman (John Cougar Mellencamp, Hootie and the Blowfish), After Here has a more U.S. rock-country blend to it. In the end, it achieved little in the States, again doing the business in Europe -- "Just Around the Corner," "The Biggest Fool of All," and "El Norte" notched up the U.K. singles chart. "I'll Send Them Your Way" could have landed them the U.S. hit they so deserved. "Another Story" is picturesque -- almost like an Edward Hopper painting of small-town America: small wooden house with porch, a deserted street, heavy grey sky, and one illuminated streetlight. "Nobody's home, so I'll go looking out for trouble," sings Anna LaCazio..

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 April 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

>I'm still waiting for at least one track though to jump out at me as much as, say, "Montgomery to Memphis," which jumped right out of the self-titled Leann Womack CD<

Sounds like the uncharacterisically un-lightweight "Me and the Wildwood Rose" on Carlene's CD might actually fill this bill after all (which means Carlene could be a keeper.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 April 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't think country-rock and folkiness was really Sweethearts Of The Rodeo's thing (Even the name was their mentor's idea; they told an interviewer they'd never heard of the album before that.)(And didn't mention having listened to it since.)I like Carlene's twofer Blue Nun/Musical Shapes(or vice versa), though it REALLY needs re-mastering. But Nick and the lads boom-boom through the murk, often enough. Speaking of Cock Robin (who got Rock-A-Rama'd at least once, I think)(must consult with RRRiegel), I remember really really liking a boom-boom desert roll (song on a Musician magazine sampler; "Something In My Heart"? Should've been a hit, crossing over from wherever) by Texas, who turned out to be Scots, and the female vocalist had an Italian-sounding name. Ever heard an album by them?

don, Monday, 10 April 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

nope, i remember hearing *of* texas, don, but never heard their stuff.

carlene's CD doesn't quite make the cut, i don't think, though yeah, maybe as don suggests her new wave era stuff is less perfunctory than what she was doing in '90 (when she was actually having hits, i take it.) even "me and the wildwood rose," about growing up at grandma's and singing for miners with her little sister, doesn't quite connect. i like the rockpile-abilly powerpopsters ("i fell in love," "my dixie darlin'," "come on back," "one love," the mariachified "goodnight dallas") okay but never love them. most surprising cut, just 'cause i never knew carlene did such stuff, is that stately lorrie morgan approximation i mentioned, but i doubt i'll need to hear it again.

xhuxk, Monday, 10 April 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Texas have been going since the 80s and are still going (at least, they were recently). They are really very popular here in the UK. I can't bear them, but what do I know?

She's called Sharleen Spiteri, by the way.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

>Status Quo album is fair and a lot better than the mostly toothless things preceding it... There is some country to it, too, since Rossi has been incorporating it in his writing for a good long while.<

Yeah, George is right here. *Heavy Traffic* (2002) definitely makes more sense on this country thread than the metal one, though there are some decent riffs in three or four songs (most notably "Diggin' Burt Bacharach," which doesn't seem to have much to do with Burt Bacharach, though his name does enable an okay raplet verse that goes "black jack clap trap any kind of flap trap big mac lookin' back diggin Burt Bacharach"), and once in a great while ("Solid Gold") the traffic does get moderately heavy. Otherwise, always pleasant, and pretty much always pedestrian. I dunno, if it was an unknown cdbaby band, and it just came out, I might hang on to it, but it's not and didn't. Really the most notable thing about the album is the creepy-assed fetish song "The Oriental," about sex with Mia from north korea and Mae Wong from hong kong, the former of whom has a land rover and the latter of whom is a raver. Most crypto-racist verse, assuming I'm understanding this, in which case yucko: "I don't like sushi/She said that suits me/I take a shower/On every hour." (The song reminds me of a similar fetish song called "Eastern Girls" or something like that, by some early '80s new wave band whose name started with L, but their song was way catchier and less offensive. I'm totally blanking out on their name right now.)

xhuxk, Monday, 10 April 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Looked it up: The song was indeed "Eastern Girls," by Landscape. (And as for the Quo CD, I realize that calling that one track offensive might contradict calling the album "always pleasant," but so be it. I should also note that the closer, "Rhythm is Life," has a good hook or two.)

xhuxk, Monday, 10 April 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I've plugged David Cantwell's writing here before, so here's another: David has a new blog (yeah yeah) which will have lots of country-related content, especially regarding the Nashville Sound. Readers of this thread might dig. He's a smart guy and one of my best friends.

http://www.livinginstereo.com/

Currently there's a brief entry on the Nashville Sound, along with some MP3s, plus a long post on Don Knotts, Cindy Walker and some political musings.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Roy, will glom. (Send me that DC, hokay?) Anybody who likes Status Quo's Bacharach line might well dig the current thread where we're invited to make up our own Tom Waits lyrics. It's a troll gas beany man jim-jam.

don, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

(forgot about the CMT Awards, but they'll show it 10 more times)Just saw CMT's World Premiere of the Chicks video, though it's been on the WuhWuhWuh for a while, I guess: who knows how it will wear, but this time it grabbed me right away. No melancholy allusions to the night before, and let's pick up the pieces.(Now that Bush's ratings have gotten as low as Nixon's and Carter's at their lowest points, and lower still re the war specifically.).Hell no.Picks up the pieces, but then continues right where they left off. It could be about a bad lover, bad family, bad town,in a compressed, taser sort of light: no poisoned American Pie code that I noticed. We can still tuck it into our own mental revenge, on whatever level. It also picks up where they left off musically, with Home's chamber atmosphere now flooding onto a more open stage;like,"if you want another crack at us, come ahead."(That's not from the song, just summarizing how it sounds and looks.) Tom Petty has one with their kinda title, "I Won't Back Down." But this is more compelling than that song, or any others of his that I've heard. Structurally, it does bear out what Kevin C. and others have reported about the Petty-Eagles schematics(and Kevin also says they've been writing with Gary Louris of the Jayhawks). But that stuff's just a point of departure here. So far, no problem. (Big closeups of Natalie, the main target, but the sisters look just as ready to resume.)

don, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Roy: I meant, "please send me that CD," not "DC," sorry (must've known I was about to see the Chicks!)

don, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link

>I gotta order something from the Hobo Shiner Band<

Their track on the Tritonkt comp, "Prune Waltz," is quite the drunken oompah party, and assists regularity as well! (Also I realized I left off my list of faves the version of "Cotton Eyed Joe" by the Fayetteville Flash [Lee Roy Matocha's Orchestra], though that might go without saying since I don't think I've ever heard a version of "Cotton Eyed [or Eye for that matter] Joe" I *didn't* like. Rednex's is still best, though.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Don: Email me your address when you get a chance. Your dmoo at yahoo bounces back.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

from metal thread, but applicable to the ZZ Top end of country too:

George, check out these guys: Hard-hitting bottle-fight punk-tempo metal'n'roll boogie from the Northwest, complete with yackety sax for coloring and a cover of "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" by, uh, Sonny Boy Williamson, right? Would sound great next to the Count Bishops or Sonics. Cdbaby find of the week, unless I find an ever better one:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/dirtybirds

xhuxk, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm liking the Mother Truckers' *Broke, Not Broken*, too. (From Austin but with New York roots, I think. I could've sworn I saw them on cdbaby before, but a search for their name is not finding them right now, so maybe I saw them somehwere else.) Anyway, the songs the guy, Josh Zee, sings lean a little bit too much toward vaguely alt-country leaning *Workingman's Dead* mellowtude though in a perfectly palatable way (the title track, about having being short on cash, is probably his best), but the gal, Teal Collins, gives her singing a lot more life and makes it move a lot more and the music always seems to follow suit. Best tracks: "No Mercy" (the opener, which they both sing on I think) is funkgrass like a real good Donna the Buffalo track only brawnier; "Slipping Away" has her going into gospel phrasing over some piano woogie; "Northbound Trail" is Southern gospel rock; "Magic 8 Ball" is a real good one about how she didn't wind up marrying a country star or turning into Miss America like the magic 8 ball promised; "Love Me Like a Man" a bawdy bump-n-grind blues attempt that's sillier than they hope (especially the weird line about "They always want to rock me like my back ain't got no bone/I want a man to rock me like my back...bone," huh??), but once it kicks into its John Lee Hooker/Thorogood section I like it regardless. In general just a really happy, good-natured, sun-(and maybe slightly pot)-baked album.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"Love Me Like A Man" was written by a man and adapted (don't know how it compares to the original words or title) by Bonnie Raitt, on Give It Up, her second album, and still one of the best of the 70s.(Or "once again" rather than "still," since it finally got remastered a couple years ago, as remastered ears eventually required.)Just saw the Drive-By Truckers and Marty Stuart on back-to-back installments of "Music Road," a new, travelin' series on Turner South. Both in clubs, not concert halls: intimate enough, but with good damn sound, and just a little bit of talk, answering a few questions from host Edwin McCain. Truckers had a steel guitarist on all songs, many of which sounded just over the fence from, say, Dierks Bentley's"Come A Little Closer,"in terms of non-standard usage. But no Lloyd Maines-type steel raveups like on Joe Ely's Live Shots (or like the guy on some of Dylan's tours); wonder if the Truckers ever get to that? There was also one more traditional use of steel, on a goood Cooley song, about when grief's turned wife: "Past that big white light's where my spirit's gone, she's wonderin', what's takin' me so long." His voice was more dependable than Patterson's,though not too predictable: that'un was sung higher and older than I've heard him do. But not strained, like Patterson tends to (no need to go higher, PH, you're high enough). But mostly, I thought Patterson sang (or vocalized, incl some recitation) effectively. Especially on the new "World Of Hurt," on which Jason played real good electric piano. (Can't believe how much piano keeps discovering me in recent years: Jason Moran, Benny Lackner, Jessi Colter, Shooter Jennings.)First song, with everybody playing rhythm, sounded like they were turning into Feelies (in a good way). Later, PH and Jason played with members of Goat, with incisive slide from Jason, and the Goat throat bellowed great. I didn't see all of Marty's set, but it incl.(all low-tuned) slightly jazzy shuffle; the rocking-er side of honky tonk; an off-hand rockabilly murmur (Kenny Vaughn vox);, and a bunch of songs from Badlands, which fit right in musically, without losing (or overemphasizing) their points. Also, "Hobo's Prayers" ("Ah'm a circle, in a world of squares").These sets will be re-run on 4-26, as far as I know now.

don, Friday, 14 April 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd on Van Zandt and Kristofferson.In regard to the latter: "sings almost as good as Henry Gibson."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 14 April 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had that Dino-down-south CD for a while. it was cut in '55 and the bonus tracks like "Hominy Grits" were done in the early '50s. what really got that whole Dixieland thing going was Bill Russell's rediscovery of old-time Louisiana trumpeter Bunk Johnson, as documented in the remarkable book "Bill Russell's American Music." so it seems to me that by the time Dino recorded "Swingin' Down South" there was this idea of "music of the '20s" pretty current. there was a revival of boogie-woogie piano in the late '30s, too. anyway, it's a really listenable record, and almost as essential as "Dean Martin Live at the Sands Hotel" from '64.

has anyone heard Blaine Larsen's latest single, on the radio? I keep listening for it and so far have missed, and "The Beaver" here, local country station, always seems to lose my requests.

and, catching up here, I ended up really liking Jace Everett's album. I did a piece for the Scene in which I compared it to Radney Foster's record, and if anything I prefer Jace's. "Gold" is an amazing simulation of a classic '70s single, complete with those almost-black sexy, wheedling female backup singers. And the closer, which is about how Jace follows in the footsteps of his fathers and so forth, has some of the greatest massed guitar moves abstracted from, again, a thousand half-forgotten '70s records. Jace sings totally professional, though, which means nothing really gets thru except the sheer formalism of the whole shebang; whereas Radney sings all soulful, sort of like a cross between Dwight Yoakam and Lyle Lovett, but a little deeper, and the sound is "warmer" (Waddy Wachtel on guitar, analogous to the guitar moves on "Jace Everett). And a great Rockpile imitation, or Fabulous Thunderbirds as produced by Nick Lowe, on Rad's "Big Idea."

and I'll say that I don't know enough about teenpop these days to intelligently post there, but that I really liked about half of Jewel's new one, "Goodbye Alice in Wonderland," some ace, ace pop moves and sunk-back guitars and surprisingly mordant bridges and choruses and thangs...and two songs better than anything on Liz Phair's last one, and comparable to the best stuff on Carrie Underwood's debut. In fact, they sound similar; and Jewel oughta record something like Carrie's in N-ville, if you ask me. all I can say is, anyone who gets all excited about the jammed-together pop of something like the New Pornographers, Jewel's "Satellite" and "Only One Too" beat that stuff, you axe me. and her "country" move, "Stephenville TX," surely belongs with Carrie's "Ain't in Checotah No More" as stardom-I-love-it-I-want-a-peanut-butter-sandwich statement.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you nailed Townes, as much as anybody can. I've known people who've known him, sort of(and it's there in the music, of course): that scale of volatility, of anger and humor and charm and distance and fatalism and depression and zombietude. Bipolar maybe. A stoical quality too, at times. But mainly he took the romantic, arty art balladeer approach further than most of the people he inspired, re out-front living like one of the characters in his songs.(Also,his songs could be better and worse than most people's.) The outsider artist as insider and vice versa: less like Howard Finster than the late 40s/early 50s, *post*-Mermaid Ave. Woody Guthrie, if he'd kept a-goin', as they say in Nashville (the movie).

don, Friday, 14 April 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Just saw Brooks & Dunn doing "Believe," on rererun of CMT Awards (the only remarkable performance so far): He's lying awake, remembering the guy, "and I don't know whether to cry or laugh," appropriately reversing the usual order of those options, cause he's almost laughng in amzement as he finds himself empathetically following/tracing the lost one's latebreaking news: discovery of affinity for those "words in red" (the ones Jesus said, denoted thus in some Bibles). There's an excitement in the song, and the performance (best Dunn vocal I've ever heard, by far). A sense of real narrative: shit happens, signifies. Not the usual barely-anecdotal chapters and/or placeholders, til the moneyshot chorus comes back.(Common to all genres, duh.)

don, Friday, 14 April 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote this about the new KK single:

he new Kris Kristofferson, does the same thing, he always does--try
to find his place in the universe. Under rated as a singer, and
perhaps the best american song writer since the mid 60s (more
consistent then dylan, more lonely then merle haggard, smarter then
bruce springsteen and less sentimental then anyone else) The single
has a sing along chorus, that sounds like a pentecostal sing-a-long,
but wryly upends all of the cliches we expect of country songs about
jesus.

hes an old man now, an elder but hes always been ragged, always been
downtrodden--what does it mean when he sings this:

Am I young enough to believe in revolution
Am I strong enough to get down on my knees and pray
Am I high enough on the chain of evolution
To respect myself, and my brother and my sister
And perfect myself in my own peculiar way

Its brave, because his desire for radical change is tempered with
doubt, and he realises that to lay prostrate to the creator of the
universe is not the moral equivalent of going out for a pint with a
buddy, and he doesnt see anything wrong with admitting in evoution,
and his desire towards unity is communitarian.

the new album is smart, because it isnt a fuck you to dubya (haggard
did that with his last album), but an upbeat reflection on a minefield
of interior change.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 April 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

single not album, i havent heard the album

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 April 2006 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you heard The Silver Tongue (or Tongued) Devil And I? Might've been his first. I liked most of the songs, though I haven't heard it since prob the mid-70s.And mostly good use of his voice, even, especially on the war-weary "Christian Soldier," dronin' 'bout "turnin' on and learnin' how to die." (Yer young, so maybe I should explain that's an ironic ref to Leary's Homefront Gospel, "Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out.")Also effective on the title song: voice awesomely arrhythmic, so good at swaggerin' drunk. Might've gotten him into Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid, the new DVD recut of which is much better than original theatrical version, according to The New Yorker and some others.

don, Sunday, 16 April 2006 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Good Easter music, as the fronds unfold once againe: a live radio set from the Peasall Sisters, who have a new album out."Small" but ever-budding voices, forthright, hazel-and-garnett tones, genetic harmonies. Previously on the O Brother soundtrack, though I can't quite place them. Beguiling,clean-cut, the girls next door; literally, perhaps since they mention home schooling, in the present tense(The fiddler is twelve).(And O Brother was a while back.) But not insular; they sound confident about going forth upon thee land. Wonder how the album is.

don, Sunday, 16 April 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody else heard this Eric Church debut album? I guess it isn't out until this summer. "How about You" is an early single that's getting airplay. I really like the little I have heard so far.

werner T., Friday, 21 April 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't heard eric church. just now listening to advance of new blaine larsen, "i'm in love with a married woman." which is well-sung, a bit blah, down-tempo. "i thank god she's married to me," of course. fuck 'im.
but i like blaine, moreso when he's uptempo as on "spoken like a man" which is about guys bragging about sex, and the one guy who doesn't chime in is the good guy, "crazy about the feeling/they can set reeling when they turn out the light." ace guitar, song a bit, uh, boring. looking forward to hearing the rest of it, because he can sing.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Goodun on Ladies Of The Canyon, esp the espers you tracked down. Got the new Truckers, so just a little more on them: uneven as always, but (so far) not as much momentum as always showed up, eventually. A narrower range of variations too, or more obviously narrow, re dealing with loss etc. But still, the bulldozers are back, with a few more bulletholes letting the breeze in, just in time for spring cleaning. Should come in handy enough, for a little while longer anyway.

don, Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

im liking the truckers more and more since the redneck/blueneck book

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 22 April 2006 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

first: rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerrated (or however you spell it.)

second:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/hillbillyjones

the hillbilly jones from central illinois. expertly swinging (as in, they cover glen miller at least as well as they cover merle haggard and billy joe shaver) rhythm section; best moments are when the singing stops and they just play. "flattop guitar and sangin'" sound thin in comparison to the "doghouse bass" and "electified belly fiddle" and "drumset," though that may have more to do with low-budget production than actual musicianly ability or lack thereof. and "ridin' high" and "runaway train" do have some pub-rock boogiebilly kick, and "ready to fire" is a dark one that ends up in the middle of a sergio leone western, and "muhlenberg county"'s a good one too, and they like johnny cash more than i do, but at least the cash they seem to like most is "folson prison blues" type stuff.

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, they look like absolute dorks on the cover, which is to their credit. i like that turkey buzzard thing; i't on the back cover and inner sleeve too, so it must be their mascot.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link

There should be more country instrumentals. Seems like, bluegrass aside, 90% of it was always afterhours, and/or unreleased (right, Edd??) Such a trip just to hear that tag on Dierks' "Lot Of Leavin' Left To Do," but of course the DJs usually cut it off. Apparently he used to do a lot of extended versions, touring with Cross Canadian Ragweed (!?)Wonder if he still does, with his current band? I think the thing about DBT's A Blessing And A Curse is that those xpost bulletholes already happened offstage; "she died before I was born"--exactly! She should be dying NOW, or soon,like on their previous albums. But some good songs anyway. Something that did recently give me ghoulish thrills n chills was Rosanne Cash's recent return to "World Cafe." She didn't have Dylan's guitarist Larry Campbell (whom I think Roy mentioned haven't seen her with), but she made her dark swirliness signify: after explaining that "Black Cadillac" was about realizing once again that she never would get her road dawg Daddy from the clutches of the public,she conjured up a house on a lake, one of John's she was directed by the will to dispose of, and then she swirled it away. (Also, just when I was thinking that some of the lyrics' philosophizin' was wearing thin, she said that the discipline demanded by *music* was what got her through losing Johnny June Vivian so close together). That was only about 5/6 songs though (with upbeat "Seven Year Ache": "I feel like my daughter wrote this!") Don't know if I'd like the whole album, not at once anyway. So? Sip the winedark slowly. (Luc says that she and Rodney attended a reading once, and he made them laff! He was thrilled.)

don, Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

can we talk about josh turner, i fucking loved the dark polysemy of his long back train, and the theological sophisctaction there in, and i love even more his low slung, chug-a-lug bass voice, its one of the most distinctinve voices that have come along in years--

and then your man, its fantastic, yeah the lyrics are awful, and the video for your man is kind of creepy, but when he sings your man, and goes down lower then almost anyone else, so its this meoldic, r esonant, rich, seductive, barritone, like a white boy barry white, its utterly amazing, one of the best singles of the year, for sheer skill--and the whole album is like that--hes too fucking young to be this much in control...

i was worried he would be a one hit wonder, but your man, the album and the single, may be the best thing ive heard so far this year.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 23 April 2006 09:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought the Peasall Sisters LP and it's lovely. There's an endearingly hesitant kind of delicacy throughout. Most of the record consists of fairly straight folk-bluegrass heavy country, delicious harmonies on trad melodies, very nice. I suppose what makes them them is the breathy singing, whatever twang there is in their voices isn't at all strident. I can't get over how good the first song is: "Home To You" is straighter country than the others and the slight, charming clumsiness of the verses is matched gloriously by the chorus which is the prettiest noise I've heard this year.

I can imagine some of my freinds thinking the whole enterprise rather twee, but I still think twee can be a compliment, and twee country's not really something I've heard or even thought about. What twee country have I missed?

Tim (Tim), Sunday, 23 April 2006 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link

skeeter davis, email me and ill send some tracks

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 23 April 2006 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

the cornballitude of hillbilly jones singer jon bridgewater's elvis affectations gets to me sometimes (in "ridin' high" the vocal actually is *improved* by being muffled through some studio gadget or gizmo), and though their rhythm section's splitting of the difference between swing and rockabilly has a real roll to it that they've got the chops to pull off, its underlying jive bunny and the mastermixers gone hee-haw aesethtic leaves me a little queasy. still, a pretty good album. i like how "pink cadillac" (not a bruce cover) starts out like "hot rod lincoln." too. best cuts: "ridin high," "ready to fire," "runaway train," "georgia buck on a fast train" (though when shaver did it, it didn't have "buck" in its title, right?)

has anybody else noticed the verbosity of the liner notes on the shannon brown album? i didn't, not until this morning, at least in part because i hadn't played the actual finished object much, after i'd played the advance copy so much when it arrived last thanksgiving, back when my 14-year-old kid sherman was a whole inch shorter. anyway, shannon sure does blab a lot about her songs on that inner sleeve. talks about how "good old days" is her "disco groove thing that i grew up on," and reminds her of her "mom's and dad's bar back home" where there were "no stereotypes, no rules and regulations" and "every walk of life is found there and it's OK," close to toby's "i love this bar" i guess but a far cry to the situation in her single "corn fed" where only country music gets played on the radio. and "high horses" is about inclusiveness too, so shannon's got a lot of contraditions whether she knows or not, which is not a bad thing. and though "can i get an amen," the song with BTO or Doobies riffs, talks about being born again, shannon's liner notes suggest that her main use for the word "amen!" is the equivalent of "hallelujah!" when you get out of "an unhealthy relationship." she also says in her notes to "turn to me" that "i have deep rooted alcoholism in my family, and [the song]'s about a woman being strong enough to support her man." does that mean she joins sheryl crow in frank's co-dependent rock hall of fame?

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

hey old news i'm sure but did anyone ever write the obvious 'kerosene/kryptonite' piece? and good to have you back xhuxkx!

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 23 April 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You don't mean that "Kerosene" reminds you of the Spin Doctors song about Kryptonite?! Say it ain't so, so I won't think about it. Anthony, does "the dark polysemy of long back train" mean what I think it does? In the video, a pregnant girl and others in lone peril each stand on the track, but raise their arms and disappear, just as the train is about to touch them. So Salvation is like a personal Rapture? But since it's not THE Rapture, they have to reappear in the world, and go about the Lord's business, waiting for the Call for All, or their own Call to go on through the gates, regardless of what time it is for everybody else? Or this is their own personal call to Heaven?"Underlying Jive Bunny and the mastermixers Hee Haw aesthetic" gets you queasy, but that's not too far from a description of Big & Rich, is it? Maybe it's more Big Kenny solo, since you dint like his drum machine. Shannon Brown's in their Muzik Mafia, hence the commie commentary, right? Twee country: try the Kendalls, and download Ashley Monroe's "Satisfied," and check others on the Rolling Teenpop thread. Brenda Lee, maybe?

don, Sunday, 23 April 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, all that don, and also, how you are never sure whether the train is the dark side of god, the wrath, the machine of salvation, or whether its the devil, or whether its something else, something stranger--like how sometimes the train saves you (midnight special) and sometimes it isolates you (folsom prison) and sometimes saves (orange blossom special) and how the song is about all of those things, and its almost an unsolveable--and it all rests on his voice, cleaner, more precise, more classically beautiful then cash or ledbetter or others who like the train song...

the songs on the new album arent as good as this (but the more and more i think about it, long black train is a singualr work, and part of the canon and unrepeatable) but some songs on the new album use his voice to similar effect, the warmth and the precision about pleasure, instead of duty, but still its resoant...

i fucking love mr turner, and i wonder why he hasnt got more love

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 April 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

NO NOT SPIN DOCTORS BUY A RADIO YOU FREEX JESUS

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 24 April 2006 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

ie. big boi's 'kryptonite' - as far as i can tell (playing in my head - haven't done an actual head-to-head comparison) identical hooks that work identically in the songs (ie. they are the songs), i'm not sure if the little harmonica/organ, um, counterhooks in the songs work the same way or resemble each other much worth noting and i'm pretty sure any thematic/lyrical similarities are a stretch or a coincidence.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 24 April 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha, i thought you meant Three Doors Down (way less forgettable than the big boi version).

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought you liked 'kerosene'!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 24 April 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

This preview of Dylan's XM radio show is tantalizing:

www.xmradio.com/b0bdy1an_s3c
username: press1
Password: xmr0ck5!

I think Frank posted something somewhere about how this would be a great show if Chronicles guided the playlist. Not quite, but close. I wish I could afford XM.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 24 April 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I love "Kerosene"! I've just never noticed any similarity to any song named "Kryptonite." Which is not to say there *isn't* a similarity, and next time I hear Big Boi's one, I'll listen with "Kerosene" in mind and maybe like it more. (My copy of that mostly boring *Got Purp Vol II* comp is long gone -- it was on there, right?) Right now I'm listening to the Steeleye Span album I bought used on vinyl in Seattle two days before getting fired (*All Around My Hat*) for similarites to Montgomery Gentry, whose "If You Ever Stop Loving Me" (I think) somebody on ILM said a couple years ago reminded them of Steeleye Span, though I'm not sure why. Intriguing comparison regardless, and SS sound real good, but not like MG so far. (Though I believe I've heard this is one of their more rocking albums) (though so far it's not *that* rocking, not compared to some Fairport Convention and Horslips I've heard.)

Also it should be noted here that I actually like "Me and My Gang" off the new Rascal Flatts album -- not a Gary Glitter cover, but swamp-country sifted through Big'n'Rich hick-hop.

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Your last post could be read as saying you got fired for similarities to Montgomery Gentry.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 24 April 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

im sure he did

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 April 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus christ xhuxk buy a radio, 'kryptonite' was all over it - anyhow same song as 'kerosene', same hook, different instrumentation. three doors down or whatever's 'kryptonite' is basically a bookend to spin doctor's 'kryptonite' too, seven years later jimmy olsen's blues pressurized from coal to diamond, limp noodlewank turned to altvedder portent (millenium approaches side-effect maybe) with common dna = blooz groan and po' pitiful male skeez narrator. tv on the radio should do a song about kryptonite to complete the trilogy.

miranda lambert came thru again and i missed her again. 14 dollars!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 24 April 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

"po pitiful male skeez narrator": that tears any pedantic correlations, incl. basic implication of "kryptonite": Miranda aint got time for no ol comic book alibi Superman, man, man (turn around your cape's on fire). Anthony, I get the impression that Josh is one who has been doing his homework backstage. (Somebody told me he co-wrote "Pretty Paper," but he looks way too young for that).Is now stepping forth from Music Row apprenticeship, like Dolly Parton, Alan Jackson, Brad Paisley, Dierks Bentley.(Must look up lyrics to Woody G.'s "Little Black Train" tomorrow.) Eddy, this the second time you've gotten fired from the Voice. Three strikes, so WATCH IT.

don, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

what d you mean doing his homework backstage don?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"Backwards" on the new Rascal Flatts album is good too. Fast and catchy, with an Eddie Rabbit style rhyme-talking section in the middle and a real clever conceit, namely that if you play a country song backwards (which sadly they don't, I don't think, but what the heck), you get your house and dog and hair and wives you lost back, ha ha. The ballads, and there are too many, seem way less bearable, though; so far the one I kind of like (or at least don't hate) is "Ellsworth," with lots of specifics about small-town Kansas life in 1948.

Also slowly exploring the two-disc, R Crumb-artworked new Yazoo comp *The Stuff Dreams are Made Of: The Dead Sea Scrolls of Record Collecting!: Super Rarities and Unisseued Gems of the 1920s and 1930s.* Quite a hodgepodge, united as the title suggests not by genre but merely by how hard the records are to find, never a good sign, but I'm liking pretty much all of it regardless and loving lots of it, including tracks by Dock Boggs, Andrew & Jim Baxter, Ollis Martinn, the Three Stripped Gears, and especially Wilmer Watts and the Lonely Eagles. Those are all on disc 1; haven't touched disc 2 yet.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Judging by their names,The Lonely Eagles c'est moi (ditto the Three Stripped Gears). R.Crumb did a really funny scarey comic feature in the New Yorker recently, about him and Aline visiting their daughter in Manhattan. It sure looked real.One of daughter's neighbors is a girl tattooed blue, all up and down one side of her shaved crown and face and neck. R "But, do you have trouble getting a job?" Daughter: "Oh, DAD!" She could join the Blue Man Group, if she keeps getting tattooed; she's sure the right shade of blue. Later, they're walking down the street, and he's getting hungry, and spots an Entremann's pastry box. So he opens it up, "It's full of human shit!" But overall, the visit seemed go fairly well, as these things go. Anthony, I just meant, from what little I've read about Josh Turner, he's worked in the biz, getting ready to be a full-time performer, like those others did. Here's the song I was thinking of:
The Little Black Train
There's a little black train a comin
Set your business right
There's a little black train a comin
And it may be here tonight
Go tell that ball room lady
All dressed in the worldly pride
That death's dark train is coming
Prepare to take a ride
God said to Hezkiah
A message from on high
You better set your house in order
For you must surely die
He turned to the wall in weeping
We see and hear his tears
He got his business fixed all right
God spared him fifteen years
We see that train with engine
And one small baggage car
Your idle thoughts and wicked deeds
Will stop at the judgement bar
That poor young man in darkness
Cares not for the gospel light
Til suddenly he hears the whistle blow
And the little black train in sight
Have mercy on me Lord
Please come and set me right
Before he got his business fixed
The train rolled in that night.

don, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

So okay, here are some show preview listings that I wrote for my former publication of employment in the past seven years that for some reason never ran (longer explanation on metal thread. Okay not that much longer.) I may or may not agree with these now. (also, most of them are more folkie than country I guess, but there is no rolling folk thread):

ALINA SIMONE --- Passive-aggressive, apparently humorless art-song emoting, from a gloomy gal born in the Ukraine who grew up in Massachusetts and decorates her EP’s five songs with lap steel, violin, and farfisa parts.

SUGARPINE -- Brooklyn alt-country, probably rock enough for Drive-By Truckers or Bottle Rockets fans, if not Montgomery Gentry or Lynyrd Skynyrd fans. Singing's a bit bland, and sadly "Effigy" is not a Creedence cover. But in the early '80s, they would've been called cowpunk, lumped with Rank and File or Jason & the Scorchers. And "Manhattan Special" even sounds kinda funky at first.

REV. HORTON HEAT -- This Texas retrobilly guitar vet, who quite possibly peaked with his charbroiled Subpop *Smoke 'Em If You Got *Em* way back in 1991, celebrates his new Christmas CD, which doesn't sound half as raunchy as you'd hope.

ELIZABETH COOK -- This photogenic Florida-born second-generation retro-country hopeful has predictable smidgens of Loretta and Dolly in her inflections, but, on *This Side on the Moon*, not much memorable in her words or tunes. A poppier producer would help.

BRIAN KEANE --- Despite going shirtless on his CD cover, Brian has the commendable distinction of being a local singer-songster who is not hard to take, thanks in part to his sense of rhythm. His sound has blues, soul, and Latin in it, albiet via Paul Simon and Jackson Browne and Counting Crows. And he knows Mexico and small towns can be good subject matter.

JESS MCAVOY -- At first the first song on this Aussie bird's CD seemed to say "You could arrange your world to consist of Opening Day," and I thought, "cool, a song about a boyfriend who likes baseball too much!" But nope, the lyric sheet says "opening doors," oh well. And her sometimes-slightly-cello-and-trumpet-jazzed folk-trope unspecifics continue from there.

NORFOLK AND WESTERN -- This Oregon boy and girl call their album *Dusk in Cold Parlours,* but manage to scare more life out of their apparent Leonard Cohen and John Cale and Appalachia and minimalism influences than most indie drone-folkies.

RON SUNSHINE -- Cornball-not-entirely-on-purpose NY (ten-piece-) swingbandleader who seems to miss the annoying jump-blues revival from a few years ago. He's recorded with the P-Funk horns, and croons about drugs and abominable snowmen.

LEAH CALLAHAN -- Former indie-rock grrrl goes the smokey-room jazz-cabaret lounge-revival-all-over-again shtick route.

CHRISTOPHER JAK -- This young strummer, who began in Jersey then spent time in Colorado before landing in these parts, covers Cyndi Lauper's "Time After Time" and sings both verses and stanzas about his unbelievably deep feelings

MARLY'S ANGELS -- You'd think the Carole King comparisons plus Steely Dan comparisons plus Norah Jones comparisons plus that beret on her head might add up to Rickie Lee Jones, but local writer-warbler-pianist Marlys Hornick just ain't crazy-funky-beatnik enough for that. Sincerity with jazz changes; should hire a saxophone player.

THE TYDE -- The debut CD, *Once*, by these shambling and jangling crystal-canyon Los Angelenos (some of 'em moonlighting members of Beachwood Sparks) was named 44th best album of 2001 by morons at *NME.* Their new CD is called *Twice* (get it?), and is quite twee. Though "Henry V111" is oddly not a Herman and the Hermits cover.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, in the spirit of Chuck's post, here's a brief take on someone I'd considered pitching him (and might still pitch to his former employer):

REVEREND GLASSEYE Our Lady of the Broken Spine: Way way better than its satirical title and campy drama-club intro vocals led me to expect. Which doesn't make this super amazing, given the lowness of the expectations and given that the campiness is basically a cover for a voice that has no other way to achieve extravagance. Nonetheless, this is passionate music, drenched in Mexican horns that have been colored with Romanian (or some such) density. Country & (spaghetti) western guitar boogie is a frequent spice.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 27 April 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the right length, but you gotta have quotes. ("Frequent Spice is a gas to work with," laughs Tom Glasseye.)

don, Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

more R. Crumb: saw Marley's Ghost do a short, 6-song set at Douglas Corner last night--Americana Tonite radio broadcast with 3 other performers, all forgettable (first solo singer, Diana Something, had a nice catch in her voice and finished off one song, "He Called Me Pony" I think, with Native American humming of some kind or another) except Marley. I find their latest "Spooked" pretty fine--especially the original tunes like "Ballad of Johnny Hallyday," which they did. They have a drummer who plays drums and keyboards, at the same time! Their vocal blend was nicely idiosyncratic, they use pedal steel in a totally non-doctrinaire way, and their version of Paul Kennerley's "High Walls" is one of the great I-ain't-going-to-prison songs. And they look appealingly motley: Ed, the pedal-steel player (he runs the studio, Sage Arts, in Washington State, and was telling me about all this amazing vintage tube mixing board they have now, and had all their previous 7 CDs along with various solo efforts for sale) is bald, thin, intense and wore a green do-rag during the performance; one is hulking and completely bald and very friendly-looking, one is "normal" with glasses, etc. It's clear that neo-folkieism has gone into areas previously unexplored. I hope they make a go of promoting this record (they sold no CDs last night, not the venue for it, since things move quickly for radio and there were only 25 people there anyway), since Ryko is distributing and they have Van Dyke Parks as producer, Crumb cover art, guest appearances on the record by the great bassist Buell Niedlinger and Bill Frisell...

they dedicated one song to Jack Clement, who came in to catch their set and sat next to us. I went up and shook Mr. Clement's hand, too, after they were through.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Clement play last year, which I really enjoyed.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, he did a good set on Woodsongs, which is often (not always!) a real good Public Radio concert show, if you can get used to the host's own opening numbers (only one song per show; he doesn't make the guests duet with him, unlike Garrison Kellior). Eh, Edd, xxhuxx and I were unable to groove with Marley's lead singer for long, despite many good songs, and I don't think I would've noticed the presence of those big names if they weren't listed. (Codger singer didn't inprove my own aging alertness.)But maybe they'll turn up on a live show,and that might work better. Finally unearthed the Maybelles' press package, and their White Trash Jenny is tray fetching.(Not that they'd be likely to fetch me a tray, or if they did, might well be more than I bargained for). Despite title, not kitschy at all, though lots of sly fun. And "Twin Cousins" certainly related to the truth about (at least) one branch of my own hillbient family tree. (It's not as much cousins, at least not at first, but starts like Number One Son of Family A marries Number Three Daughter of Family B, whose big brother then marries Number One Daughter of Family B,etc. etc., and the cousins of As and cousins of Bs may also factor in.)Personal-is-poitical themes meld with older-seeming story songs, love songs, etc. As with garage-glam etc., my fave Appalachoids these days seem to have mostly female voices: Uncle Earl, Polecat Creek, Michelle Nixon & Drive, Peasall Sisters, Freakwater, Mollys when they were in the mode (I've mentioned all these on this and/or prev Rolling Countries).Mostly string band, with room for Coy Dog's "slide guitar and hillbilly guitar," and Mike West's banjo, mandolin, and bandjola;but also,Track 9 features ripple-woogie (a bit quieter than boogie-woogie)piano; and trumpet that's so limber I keep thinking it's trombone. The former has a Trailer Bride feel.(As in the TB song with the line, "She used to be real smart!" But this doesn't have that anxiety.)"Walkin' Blues," with Warren Byrom's trumpet, is a bit like "Walkin' After Midnight," but not too much, and is also like one of Lil Mo and the Monicats' better tracks.(Lil Mo can be too cutesy, unlike the Maybelles.) So xhuxx, I saw how to contact Jan Bell, but what's Melissa Carper up to these days? Oh yeah, speaking of non-standard steel guitar, Turner South's Music Road is rerunning those xpost Truckers and Marty Stuart sets tonight, an hour each, back to back, 7-9 (Central Standard Time, that is).

don, Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Dang, that's what I get for depending on the Truckers' email-herald. First hour is actually Paul Thorn, who wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand, " and has been getting better as a performer. (I mentioned his spooky live "Mood Ring" upthread.) Now he's got the best band I've heard him with: a buzzy grunty shuffle for openers, and then a Steely Feat: "I didn't sleep with your wife, we stayed awake all night, she was calling you name, Joe, while I was holdin' her tight." Joe being a guy in the sudience whom he just met; fortunately, his wife is a good sport, unlike in the song, it might seem, but then it sounds like her calling Joe's name was part of the turnon for Paul. Fixing to have special guest Elvin Bishop, later "Devil McClinton."(Maybe the second set's the actual rerun from last week? Hope it's Marty's, I missed some of that.)

don, Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

watching the bio on dolly, the stat that only 13 women are in the country music hall of fame: which makes my jaw drop--who are they missing: http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0151071.html

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 29 April 2006 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

just posted this on the metal thread:

nly NEW hard rock/metal album i've played much in the past few days is *rebel meets rebel* by d.a.c. (as in david allan coe) and c.f.h. (as in cowboys from hell, which means dimebag darrell who is dead plus vinnie paul who is i think his brother on drums and rex brown who may or may not be in pantera--how the hell would i know?--on bass). at first i thought, "uh, nice try, coe can't sing anymore, but at least he sings better than phil anselmo", but then i decided it doesn't really matter; coe *doesn't* have the voice he used to have, the point's moot in this kind of biker rock (heaviest and/or funkiest and most successfully boogiefied in "heart worn highway" which is actually kinda jazzy in a '70s hard rock way; "cowboys do more dope" with its shouted anthem chorus about how country rocks harder than rock these days and also takes more drugs; "cherokee city" about how people fucked over the native americans; "time" which is a great hendrix rip with "ball of confusion"-meets-hombres rhyme-rapping and roky erikson-style observations about "alien forces inside my brain"); i also really like "arizona rivers" (fluttery psych-blues not far from j.d. blackfoot's CD last year) and "nyc blues" (understated talk-vocal walk through the east village a la peter laughner or whoever about seeing weirdos with blue hair, namedropping cowboy junkies probably because d.a.c. likes their name then talks about prince and purple rain and ends the album afterwards with a snippet of an apparently shitty song called "proud to be an american" by some band called pumpjack, played over the car radio which doesn't make sense because it's not a song about driving, but this is still like when rappers end their album with part of a new rap song by their unknown rapper pal who has an album coming out next year, so it's a neat idea. also: "nothin to lose" has female sex moans in it; "rebel meets rebel" is more heavy biker funk; "one night stand" is more heavy rock'n'roll with a "day tripper" riff and a verse that says one night stands aren't just for sleeping with women but also for bands (presumably like this one-off here); "get outta my life" isn't horrible but hank williams III's dumbass fred durst imitation in it is (what do people see in that dork again?); "no compromise" has more talked verses. in fact, in general, coe talks as much as he sings, which is a good idea. so: way better than any pantera album; also way better than the EP that coe made with kid rock a couple years ago (which i got sent a CD-R advance of; don't think it ever came out.)

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just didn't post this on the metal thread:

weird thing is, every once in a while, when i had the rebel meets rebel song in my CD changer, a song would come up where i'd say, "okay, THIS is how david allan coe used to sing". but inevitably the song wouldn't be by coe, but rather by jamey johnson, whose album i wound up liking a lot. at first i wondered whether the coe influence was just my imagination, but then eventually i noticed that johnson drops coe's name at the end of his own most biker-funked song "rebelicious," and i was vindicated. i can't believe that piece of butterfly-kisses fatherhood sap "the dollar" (which i complain about above) was/is both the hit and christgau's choice cut on this thing; it's like the worst song on here, just about (and the reason i took so long to listen to the rest)! and "keeping up with the jonesin." which is better but is still pretty damn cornball though it seems to be the other song everybody talks about, is hardly one of the best. i'd pick "redneck side of me" (the other one that reminded me of coe), "back to caroline" (hard hard honk tonk), ""flying silver eagle" (maybe the best divorce song of '06 so far). "ray's juke joint" (anti-hip-hop. pro hidden bar in the woods a la that black sage album don and i discussed up above), and "rebelicious" itself. gospel closer "lead me home" is nice too, as gospel closers go. way better album than i expected it to be; probably has a good shot of making my '06 country top ten if i make one this year. up there with toby keith, dale watson, carrie underwood.

xhuxk, Monday, 1 May 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

watching the bio on dolly, the stat that only 13 women are in the country music hall of fame: which makes my jaw drop--who are they missing: http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0151071.html

Emmy Lou will get in this year or the next. Next will be Rosanne or Alison, but not sure after that. I would vote for Sammi Smith but no one is asking me. If the Chicks can stay together for 10 more years, they'll make it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 1 May 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost We can always do an ILX Best Of Country, if Himes doesn't do one (ditto a Best Of Everything...)I'll have to try to get the Coe; what label is he on this time? Hank III's first two albums are good, especially Risin'or Rising Outlaw, where he covers Wayne Hancock and has good collabs; a few too many solo-written on Lovesick Broke & Driftin(than seemed when I reviewed it in Voice, but still pretty good, and his contributions to the ZZ Top trib (still sounds good as when I reviewed thatun for Voice), Hank Sr. trib,and the Three Hanks album, Men With Broken Hearts. (Still haven't listened to his latest). Basically cartoony, but with sufficient realness in shading, when needed. The second hour of that Turner South show (Music Road) wasn't a rerun of Truckers or Marty Stuart, but a newun of Bobby Bare Jr., with guest Billy Joe Shaver. Bobby Jr.'s got his shading kinda messed up: he's trying to be whimsically-poigant-to-vice-versa, but he shoulda done some covers, like his Dad. Basically like an extention of Dad's version of "Everybody's Talking," with the weirdo intro as a given all through, at least as a premise. As actually works out, it's a regular alt country x rock combo with a baritone sax, sometimes in unison, sometimes in harmony, with guitars and bass. Kinda klunky,but might be more the songs' fault: "Sonny sings a song to Cher, about a melancholy bear, we're all sad sacks of empathy." Speak for yourself, or better yet cover some some Sonny & Cher; they did some interesting country, for inst)(they tried to do an acoustic "Ride Me Down Easy" with Billy Joe, but couldn't follow him, since it wasn't faux-prog enough)

don, Monday, 1 May 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

so i just listened to the screaming blue messiahs's *gun shy* for the first time in at least a decade and a half (bought a used vinyl copy in seattle two weeks ago), and seemingly the song that "kerosene" by miranda lambert kept reminding me of last year (more for its groove than its riff, apparently) is "someone to talk to," the chorus of which goes "if i die in a combat zone, box me and send me home/if i die on the russian front, bury me with a russian cunt." it's also one of the harder rocking songs on the album (as is the closer, "killer born man"), which album, in general, doesn't rock nearly as hard as i remembered it doing. the LP also has more country referents than i remembered -- a cover-sort-of of hank williams's "you're gonna change," an opener that says "i do believe that country air is the only fit to breathe," a rockabilly tune called "president kennedy's smile." basically what i guess they did was take fall/mekons/three johns/nightingales dada and birthday party backwoods murder shtick and made it less arty, which is okay -- kicks harder than indie rock, not as hard as pub rock (well, except for the last three songs or so, starting with the "kerosene" one.) i think some of the three guys in the band had some connection to an earlier pub rock band called motor boys motor. and though they'll use diddley or funk or reggae or as i said rockabilly rhythms, the music really doesn't have all that much boogie to it; i played it right after zz top's new wave LP *el loco,* and no way art they in the same class. the guitars never really haul off and punch you in the sucker, not even in those final tracks. also, as i pointed out on the metal thread, frank blank totally stole the singer's haircut. (christgau compared them to the clash, i think; there' a pinch of that too, i guess.)

xhuxk, Monday, 1 May 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(on the other hand, it's worth noting that pretty much all the songs sounded familiar after 15 or 20 years, and i don't remember being *completely* obsessed with the album when it first came out, so that says a lot about the band's ability to write quality hooks. the lyrics are generally fairly straightforward and not buried in bullshit, too, which is probably part of what i mean about being less arty than the fall or the mekons etc. and even though their melodies and singing aren't nearly as pretty as the clash's could be, i can see how their openness to different rhythms -- and the mere fact of their having a rhythm section, never something to be taken for granted from british people -- could remind xgau of the clash. unlike, say, rancid, they really don't *sound* like the clash. but they do have a certain clashiness nonethless. one of their songs is even called "smash the marketplace.")

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah in the 80s,you mentioned Motor Boys Motor as an ancestor, and said you preferred them to Messiahs. What label is the new Coe on?

don, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I did??? Wow, you have a better memory than I do, Don. (Which may not be saying much. Though I do vaguely remember reviewing their sub-par second or third album in Creem.)

Rebel Meets Rebel is on Big Vin Records, which for all I know was invented just for this...

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you mentioned it in a letter. I was like, "Gawsh! This new SBM is good!" And you were so,"Ehhh, I liked 'em better in Motor Boys Motor." Damn! ("Big Vin"? How classy. Prob named after somebody's [Big Vin's] favorite biker. Thanks)

don, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Big Vin is Dimebag's brother, Pantera's drummer and on the record you're talking about, whatever it is. Presumably, he's signing all the checks.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

so...k. wilder, *caffeine & country music,* from either 2004 or 2005 depending on which URL you believe (cdbaby, which is rebooting now or i'd post a link -- hey, searching is easy you know) says 2005. her 2001 album *blue ridge dream* was coffee-shop blues-folk, tasteful and genteel, with tunes/grooves sometimes reminscent of slowed-down versions of "baby please don't go" or "house of the rising sun" (both about new orleans!), but i couldn't get into it. *caffeine & country music* is more tuneful, more shameless, weirder, and better. the big overriding concept, judging from the inner sleeve which recommends establishments (mostly mom-and-pop but also the starbuck's on melrose in l.a. -- a clue about who she hopes/hoped would market the album? and by the way its music totally would fit into the starbuck's aesthetic) around the country plus one in the United Arab Emirites, is COFFEE, mentioned not just in the somewhat hokey smalltown-music-theatre-style-country (think terry allen without the phD in foreign relations or whatever he's got and if he sounded like mary-chapin carpenter, who is definitely a reference point all over this album) title track but it a few other songs too; other tracks (for instance the also somewhat hokey love song "greatest surprise" where she seems to compare her man to french fries with ketchup, and it's a compliment, and the spoken-word shaggy-dog story closer "ms. willie may's biscuits," where attempts a vaguely irksome though no doubt well-meaning african-american dialect at the end) suggest k. wilder (who judging from photos is no spring chicken, but then neither am i, so good for her) spends a lot of her travel time in diners as well. So there's a certain small-town bohemian air to this thing; reminds of Vermont, though K. is apparently from Virginia (which might be similar to Vermont for all I know). She does two consecutive really really good songs about small towns - "Dime Box, Texas" then "Sylvatus," the latter of which doesn't name the state (like Springfield on the Simpsons!), but says the town's got one stoplight and the kids want to get the hell out of there to be a nurse and a trucker and a radio man; reminds me of a great article in the Sunday Times magazine I read a couple weeks ago about small towns in North Dakota being abandoned. Pretty soon, the old man who does a spoken part in that song says, there will be only him and his wife left, and they might not even have social security left to keep them company. Which is a politcal statement, obviously, as is the next song, "Sold Down the River," which starts out talking about "town to town, factories closing down," blaming it on jobs going overseas and learning Chinese, which might be interpreted as protectionist and maybe even xenophobic (hey, Chinese people need jobs too!) but is not necessarily inaccurate; mood of the song, oddly, reminds me a little of "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts" by X, who also had their protectionist/xenophobic (at least in re: American Rock not British pop!) tendencies on *More Fun in the New World.* There's also a spoken part (K. calls some guy a tall glass of water) in the beginning of "Come Out and Dance," which then immediately turns into buffalo gals going round the outside and do-si-do-ing their partners. And there's a song (one of the album's more conventionally pop-rock-country) about a breakdown that turns out to be a about a car breaking down, and one about a hurricane that suggests that girls from south (like my better half, in her band; also Mary Chapin-Carpenter, in my her zydeco tribute "Down at the Twist and Shout" - though Mary may not actually be Southern per se, come to think of it - didn't she go to Brown University or something like that?) understand hurricanes a lot more than I do, since hurricanes were never part of my life.

Also listened this morning to local EP by Lorraine Leckie and her Demons -- pretty decent Hank Wiliams "Lost Highway" cover at the end which reminds me of the Mekons's version (though maybe they changed the name? On *Fear and Whiskey* I think) and definitely captures the cheating-on theme of the song well, though most of the EP is more goth-folk in a Tori/Sinead mode, interesting when the instruments stretch themselves into drones at ends of songs but still not really my cup of tea. I do like "Rainbow," though, which has an AC/DC riff and a catchy rapped chorus that's shouted and not detached, and hence rocks.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, i should also mention that "Sylvatus" is not only my favorite track on the K. Wilder album, but also by far its *darkest* (and possibly its slowest) track. That almost NEVER happens with me. (Though her dark slow stuff on her previous album made me shrug.)

and okay, here's the cdbaby link, you lazybones:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwilder3

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

and that page actually places her whereabouts in florida, though she apparently spends plenty of time in virginia (and other places) as well, judging from her CDs and CD sleeves.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"small-town bohemian, reminds of Vermont, though K. is from Virginia": hey maan, we're ever'where. Sasha in May 1 New Yorker likes the music but is frustrated by "overly impressionistic" lyrics (and some mushy themes)on most of new Chicks, esp. since (almost?) all are co-writes, minus the detail etc. of excellent covers chosen for their previous albums.(I'd worried about that too; plus they seem to have re-recorded "I Hope" without Robert Randolph, judging by what Kevin C. said on countryuniverse a while back.) "For lesser artists, an album this harmonically confident would be a coup. In the case of the Dixie Chicks, it's disappointing, like watching Muhammad Ali hurt a man's feelings." Oooh! But maybe I'll like it better than he does, as has happened before. Dang.

don, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

first (or at least self-titled) (and, in the case of my copy, autographed) leanne womack album i bought in princeton a month or two ago makes me wonder (as i discussed way back at the start of this thread) why anybody ever thought she was anything but a pop-country singer to begin with. i mean, there is are "classic" country reference points in some of the slower songs (for instance the abandoned wife or maybe other-woman lament "am i the only thing that you've done wrong", an absolute heartbreaker), but no more than with most Nashville gals in the mid/late '90s, as far as my ears can tell. And "buckaroo" (another one of my favorites) and "you've got to talk to me" and "trouble's here" (which swipes alan jackson's surfy swampy "chatahoochie" riff) aren't much less bouncy than most shania twain. "a man with 18 wheels" is more wife-country, with a good "house that Peterbilt" pun and a mini Diddley beat; closer "Get Up in Jesus' Name" is a really energetic gospel rocker; "Montgomery to Memphis" (which i mentioned up above) has a really good lyric and less good music (i.e., no hook) to go with it. And Leanne looks totally adorable in pretty much all the photos in the inner sleeve.

True Brothers' *Wanted: Country Outlaw Tribute* is another good cdbaby country CD, with adequate-to-great obligatory covers of "Take This Job and Shove It," "You Never Even Called Me By My Name," "Just Good Old Boys," "Older Women," and (most suprisingly) the Swingin' Medallions "Double Shot of My Baby's Love" (one of my favorite songs in the world, though they don't make it sound like anywhere near as much a drunken frat party as the Medallions did; still, I love that they cover it at all and wonder if anybody else considers it country - where were the Medallions from, Memphis or somewhere? Louisiana? I forget). There are also some apparent covers of novelty songs I don't remember hearing before -- "Marie Laveau", a goofy Shel Silverstein song about looking as ugly as your mom or something, and "Rub It In," which appears to be mainly about suntan lotion and instructs you to rub it on their back and their sacroliliac. And the album closes with an original called "Country Outlaw Theme" where they talk about how their dad thought all country singers should be clean shaven with short hair, but then the True Bros (who are true bros, apparently) started listening to Willie and Waylon and Kinky and Bobby Bare after school, and now Big N Rich and Montgomery Gentry and Toby are "throwbacks" to the original outlaws. Not sure if anybody put it that way before, certainly not in a song.

What's weird is that on the cover of the *Wanted* album (from last year) the True Bros LOOK like hairy scraggly dirty outlaws, but on the cover of their *Hymns and Other Songs We Wrote Ourselves* from 2003 they look like super-clean-cut hee-hawing old-time country (preacher?) dorks in gold (lame'? what does lame' look like?) suits. So at first you think it's going to be a religious record, which it sometimes is, but then you notice there's a real good song about Dorian Gray ("based on the novel by Oscar Wilde") and a real good one about Jecklyl and Hyde and a real good one about how if you marry a banjo-pickin mama she might not do anything else but play banjo, not even cook. And others about getting married and dad getting buried next to a tree so he can be next to his wife for eternity. And other songs *are* Jesus songs, often talked like a rhyming sermon like that old deck-of-cards song (which might not have rhymed, come to think of it) and sometimes acapella (with Louvin/Delmore style brother harmonies); "Six Steps to Heaven" is my faovrite worship one so far, but there are 16 tracks (all fairly short) on the album, and I haven't really absorbed all of it. Instrumentation is fast catchy bluegrass, no showoff bullshit whatsoever. Most of the songs sound like forgotten old obscurities, but songwriting credits are mostly all "Jacky, Roger and Teresa True" except for "A Christmas Wish" by Ricky Dunn, and "missing You/Hats off to Web," which is said to be based on a Red Sovine tune.

Religon stuff on Albert Lee's new *Road Runner* (at least 75 percent a country CD, by an old rocker who appears to be born again or at least is doing a pretty good imitation of being born again) are a lot more reverent and boring. The stuff on the album I kind of like is the Junior Walker title cover, the Billy Burnette and Delbert McLinton songs that sort of sound like 1979 Dave Edmunds rockabilly but not as good, and the seven-minute instrumental guitar jam solo "Payola Blues." But even those I can take or leave, and the more reverent soft-rock (including numbers by Leo Kottke, Richard Thompson, and a horrible John Hiatt one called "Rock of Your Love", presumably from after Hiatt started sucking) are way too hard to get through. Ten Years After CD from last year was way, way more fun.

xhuxk, Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

(and so was the alvin lee album last year, probably.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

always thought of the Swingin Medallions as being from Birmingham, I think that's right. "Rub It In" was a Top Forty hit down here in the early 70s; I wanna say it was by Billy Joe Royal, but think it was Billy or Joey Somebody Else. "Marie Laveau" was popular too; Bobby Bare? Think so. Always did seem like those current guys did want to be thought of as heirs to the Outlaws. (and Kid Rock looked real happy when Hank Jr. crooned about him as "my rebel son" on their Crossroads). But they might not like the word "throwbacks": throwbacks to something all bold and progressive? So they're really Wynton Marsalis? Well, he's good sometimes. Now all they gotta do is take turns conducting a Outlaw Studies lab band at Belmont U.(Which presented a student orchestra and bluegrass ensemble to back special guest Josh Turner on a Christmas special in 05.Not that Josh is an Outlaw, but the academy can't be far away from that aspect of country music practice; I 'magine Cultural Theorists are already on it.But, judging from your description, the True Brothers seem like they're keeping up, even/especially if home schooled.)

don, Friday, 5 May 2006 04:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Joel Whitburn's Top 40 book says Swingin' Medallions were from North Carolina (though the True Brothers' cdbaby page attributes "Double Shot" to Joe Stampley, who I never knew did a version of it), and also says that "Rub It In" went #16 pop for another North Carolinan, Billy "Crash" Craddock, in 1974 (odd, then, that I never consciouosly heard it before -- I wonder if it was more a regional hit?) True Brothers are North Carolinans too, it turns out. (And it also occurs to me that some of the songs they cover -- "Older Women," for one -- aren't really outlaw songs at all, or at least I sure never thought of them that way. Hell, "Younger Men" by K.T. Oslin is more outlaw than "Older Women," isn't it?) Here's the page:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/truebros2

xhuxk, Friday, 5 May 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Probably slightly off topic but has the Richard Hawley album made it Stateside?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

a couple other stray true brothers notes: *wanted,* their outlaw album, opens with another good rowdy original (at least i assume it's original; credited to "ricky dunn, jacky and teresa true") called "my witness is jack daniels" where the guy's defending himself against his wife, who's accusing him of cheating. and on their *hymns and other songs we wrote ourselves* (apparently, it turns out, explicitly a compilation of original songs, some previously released -- hence, the title), the *worst* (and sappiest, and most humorless) song is the one they didn't write themselves -- the bonus track "a christmas wish." two more that hit me that i didn't mention above are "let my childen go," a totally upbeat biblical parable about Israelites, the pharoah, and all kinds of different plagues (which they enumerate in detail) and "it wouldn't be the same," which has the weathered feel and melody of some old glen campbell or kris kristoferson ballad or something, or maybe "it never rains in southern california" by albert hammond.

two albums kicking my ass this morning that i found out about not through cdbaby, but through myspace of all places (nope, i don't have a page, and have no intention of getting one, but i figured out how to do the music search): victory brothers' *kowboyz de loz angeleez* (probably the best big n rich *horse of a different color* substitute I've ever heard including ones by big n rich, and now vying with leanne kingwell as my album of the year) and penny dale's *undaunted* (the best stevie nicks album i've ever heard by a country singer, probably, and an immediate 2006 top ten candidate.) lots to say about these two, eventually, but i'll hold off for now.

also really liking irma thomas's *after the rain* on rounder, the "rain" obviously being katrina, though i kind of hate the mooshy shelter-from-storm piano ballad the album ends with though i do hope it provides solace to new orleans. what i love so far is "flowers" (soul about flowers on roadsides after car crashes, with a sound that i swear reminds me of "uncle tom's cabin" by warrant), "make me a pallet on the floor" (cheating with a painter, wow), "till i can't take it anymore" (country music in a soul voice, about how "you work your thing so well/I dream of heaven and live here in hell"), "these honey dos" (vampy bawdy boogie woogie where the honey dos are at first temptations but wind up also being about manners like please and thank you), and "stone survivor" (which is just plain funky).

xhuxk, Friday, 5 May 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

And Irma also does an extremely gorgeous version of "I Count the Tears" (the "na-na-na-na-na-na late at night" song) by the Drifters..

xhxuk, Friday, 5 May 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And she also does "Another Man Done Gone," a trad blues tune I swear I've heard hundreds of times by some huge classic rock group (Creem? Zep? the Allmans? somebody...), though no classic rock groups seem to be listed on AMG as doing it, so maybe whoever did it (which will probably hit me as really obvious once I found out) did it under a different title or something, or maybe with different words? (Also, I'm thinking now that maybe "These Honey Dos" and "Stone Survivor" and the palette one aren't quite at the level of the Warrant one and the country one and the Drifters one, but they're close.) (Likewise, Leann Womack's bouncy tracks on her debut probably aren't quite as bouncy as Shania like I suggested above, but they're close, too.)

xhuxk, Friday, 5 May 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote this sort of for no depression but it got spiked, cause i like to use fuck and cause its horribly out of date:

Willie Nelson has always deconstructed westerns, and maintained a
belief in telling the truth about places buried under their own
mythology. It is found on his album, the Red Headed Stranger and in
any number of singles over decades. It is found, in his low, lean and
hungry version of the traditional ballad "He was a Friend of Mine",
which could so easily have been dismissed, because of its lyrics, and
because of its placement on the soundtrack to that Heath and Jake
movie. After his soundtrack work, he released, on Howard Stern and
then i-tunes, a cover of the cult classic outlaw tune Cowboys are
Frequently Secretly Fond of Each Other. The two songs entwine, and
emerge as one text, working out familiar themes: the decimation that
unexpected desire can cause, ideas of masculinity and honour, the
implications of dereliction of duty, and larger, more formal concerns
of isolation, landscape and comfort.

Cowboys…is the rare song that actually talks about what it means to
fuck the same gender on the prairies. Fuck in any number of ways, fuck
because they love each other, fuck because they are lonely, fuck
because they want to be kept literally warm or have a companion, or to
continue their lives outside the mainstream, as another kind of
outlaws. Like any number of us, it is about what happens when others
cannot handle the fluidity and dangerous nature of desire. The song is
a classic, because it catalogs the options for how bodies fit
together, and because it acknowledges that some of the options mean
that "there's always someone who says what the others just whisper/and
mostly that someone is the first one to be shot down dead"

The original is done in waltz time, and has a theatrical winking and
nodding. The music has the same kind of music hall extravagance that
caused Jobraith to lose his career, and 30 years later for Rufus
Wainwright to have one. (Think of it as a less secure, less ambiguous,
less haunting version of the Magnetic Field's Papa was a Rodeo.) The
slippages of gender, sexuality, and desire emphasized here are
bog-standard Freud, lines like "I believe to my soul/there is a
feminine/and inside every lady/there is a deep manly voice/ to be made
clear", maintain gay men really want to be women and vice versa line
that seems so old fashioned in the land of Brokeback and the
International Gay Rodeo Association.

The satisfaction in male companionship is a central theme in the both
songs, in the film, in westerns in general. The codes of masculinity
are Byzantine and violations of these codes are rewarded by violence.
One of the reasons why Matthew Sheppard was left to die in that field
in Wisconsin was the difference between city boys and country boys,
between those who went to college, and those who were working men.
Watching Brokeback Mountain, Ang Lee is as aware of this; as is Ned
Sublette (the songwriter of Cowboys…) the hardness of the lovemaking,
and the wrestling/shoving/physicality of the foreplay in the movie
show this. He was also wise choosing the solidity of Willie Nelson to
sing over the credits, as a coda, a song that expressed issues of
masculinity, obliquely. He was a Friend of Mine, comes from the ground
of the west. It does not have an author, and the narrative is basic
narrative, with little detail, some in cliché. He sings it with great
tenderness, but little directness (as opposed to Dylan, who was never
really tender).

Like most ballads, the key to "He was a Friend of Mine", is the
repetition of the chorus. The lines "he never did wrong/a thousand
miles at home, and he never harmed no one" have an old fashioned,
permanence—a depth of hagiography that was never really existent in
either Clint Eastwood or in Roy Rogers. The two songs here are never
really about fucking, but about how to live integrously in a land that
rewards anything but what it says it does.

Both performances then are about what the Quakers would call speaking
truth to power, and farmers I know, would call handling your own shit.
The laconic taciturn outside of the cowboy hides a soft center. There
is an effort to keep secrets, to cause no trouble. There is something
of the private text, spoken softly amongst friends, in He was a Friend
of Mine, and Willie infuses all of the privacy, the sadness and the
shock, in the line "Stoles away and cries". There is tension between
being quietly silent and actually processing grief, a tension that
violates the code of the west, just as admitting that the desires that
one cowboy has for another, may not only be geographic convenience,
but about lust.

This might be Willie Nelson's American Recordings moment, a desire to
push himself away from old complacencies, and old audiences. It often
happens when someone's physical instrument is so ragged, and when the
desire is to communicate differently Nelson's voice is shot. But how
ragged he sounds here, and how broken he sounds, makes the two songs
even sadder, stronger, more tragic. They are a return to questions
that remain unsolved in the 70s, and their answers are of an old man:
be generous to people, mourn the dead, fight for the living, refuse to
apologize for love and desire. Together, they prove a testament to
Nelson's skills as an interpretive guide, and to someone who really
knows cowboys.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I've pretty much given up on this thread; feel like I'm talking to a wall almost as much as on the rolling metal thread. But if anybody cares one way or the other anymore, I will say that this week I decided I like the most recent CDs by Hacienda Brothers, Jazzabillies, Angel Rattay, and George Thorogood.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, the Road Hammers, Nancy McCallion, and Grupo Exterminador, too.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(Anthony, have you read Annie Proulx' short story [movie-basis]of "Brokeback Mountain"? Think she wrote some lyrics for the soundtrack too)xxhuxx:Talking to a wall? Seems like you've gotten as many responses as anybody, more than most (as we all tend to talk pst each other),and your CDbaby picks that I've heard (like Black Sage) are great, thanks.(Very refreshing, especially in this year's even-slower-than-usual "major" label release pro-cess.)Josh's astute Shooter view in today's Voice was a good reminder for me to post the remix of my Charloaf feature(Josh, SJ took the clone-cover of "Living Proof" off at the last second, and the actual release substitutes a boring Waylon tribute, "It Ain't Easy," but I'm sure the original promo's [& uploads of that track]around for those who must have it)http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Friday, 12 May 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

wait--Nancy McCallion, of the (gasp)Mollys has a new album out--I'll def check that, thanks! (Her first solo was a simplification of the Mollys' approach, but still good)(Roy, got the CD, thanks too--not much time for discretionary listening at the moment, but I'll get'r d.)

don, Friday, 12 May 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

don: part of the story, though not mentioned, was really about annie prolux, i read the story first in the new yorker, then bought both wisconsin collections, and then waited for the movie...she as a ss writer is one of my heros

the road hammers are headed by jason mccoy, who i have been talking about forever, there was a fascinating reality television seires putting together the band, lots of juicy bullshit about the nashville scene, hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, and he hasnt broken thru from canada yet. i have seen him maybe 4 times, and hes a solid guy too, never interviewed him, though i guess i should for somewhere because of what he thinks about the industry is as impt as his work,i can video tape and send the reality show, if you want chuck. (hes acutally all over cmt, he has had several making the video specials, an hour at christmas this year, a support the troops thing, and his videos are consisently in the top ten, hes toby keith big up north, though he won the CMA Global Country Award this year)

Jason is such an amazing muscian, with a voice like a bullet thru glass, and i am sort of disappointed by the road hammers because it doesnt flatter him, its a bit too much of a cliche, and his love of the good lord means that he holds back a bit when he shouldnt. (there is a scene when they are in the studio, when he is singing about white pills and red wine or something like that, and he felt really bad about that, because he didnt want to be a bad example)

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

anyways road hammers, good, jason mccoy, best thing out of country music in the last half decade


anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 12 May 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, interesting, anthony! was the wine and pills song little feat's "willin'" (which is covered on this road hammers album)? and in what way do you think the road hammers are a cliche'? (given his voice, i'm guessing his solo stuff is somewhere in the dwight yoakam realm, maybe? but i bet i'd prefer him with a band, regardless.)

don, the nancy mccallion CD i got is self-titled, so it may not be as knew as i thought it was (though i could've sworn it's listed as 2005 on cdbaby, though artists cheat on years there all the time, i've noticed.) also, some copyrights on it date back to '98 and even '84. best tracks on it, seems to me so far, are 'the leaving kind,' 'reckless child,' 'misery,' and especially 'moon over the interstate' and especially especially 'money's moving up' (about how the trickle-down theory's a lie), and they do indeed sound fairly molly-esque to me, more than some of the more staid other tracks.

as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The Shooter Jennings album didn't work for me. I listened to it once and was never pulled back. I actually wound up listening to the Rhino Bucket CD more the same night. And RB are a fairly straight AC/DC rip but that was better than the unremarkable hard rock parts on Shooter's record. I wasn't hearing hooks, if there were any, and about half the numbers on the debut were better than all the numbers on the new one. What's that make it, a heavy Pure Prairie League record? Or Poco 'round Good Feelin' To Know without Timothy B. Schmidt and slightly less hard guitars? None of those ideas work.
A bad Outlaws record (not that hard to do, there were more than a couple of them)?

It just flopped around like a fish on a table and after awhile I got sick of listening to it. A shame because I liked the first record and didn't expect such a mediocre second one.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

can we talk about the naked picture of keith burns in this weeks

hes not like dwight at all, hes more tender and almost milksop in a way, he emotes more then dwight ever did.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

in country weekly, this week...

jason mccoy isnt milksop, wrong word...he emotes, with a depth and an almost tender meloncholy, a sort of melodrama, but not femminine at all, butch!

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I've pretty much given up on this thread; feel like I'm talking to a wall almost as much as on the rolling metal thread.

Don't give up on it, xhuxk. I've been neglecting it just cause I've been freakin swamped and I expect the same is true for others and I've been mostly listening to Go-Betweens albums lately. I think they may be the least country band to ever build music around acoustic guitars. P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

and where do i start with the go betweens

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(I didn't like Electric Rodeo the first time either, but grew on me quite a bit, especially via headphones.)Wow, that was good, Anthony; def No Dep's loss.Is there a CMT Canada? I've watched thisun way too much, and never seen Jason. Sort of like Blair Larsen? I'll look him up.Xhuxx, the Nancy solo I've got is also self-titled, and has all the songs you mention. But the most recent song is copyright 2004.(bar code 783707976822--she's sitting on the top step of a green door, wearing a black shirt and bluejeans, right?)Maybe she added some new songs or something.Speaking of Cdbaby, I think they also have her reunion with Catherine Zavala, billed as the Zacallion Twins. Catherine was the Molly who sounded like Marianne Faithful with tequila and Vitamin Amp in her Geritol. I gotta get that. I mentioned Uncle Earl before, the female string band. Just heard part of a live set (on Woodsongs, xpost Public Radio show)by one of the Earls, Abigail Washburn. The first, "Eve Stole An Apple From The Tree" ("Good, she's like me") would fit with Anthony's description of the Brokeback soundtrack, but her voice sounded thin. But she also sang a pre-bluegrass mountain ballad (actually an original, I think) with Chinese lyrics, translated as "The Lost Land," and her voice was so strong and sad and beautiful, almost wild, but goin' around the mountain one more time; gravity won't fail her.I've heard Chinese mountain music somewhat like that, but instrumental.(Haven't heard any Chinese singing I liked, except pop and rock.) I think the tonality of the words and the melody changed each other. Checked the album on Amazon: The Traveling Daughter (from a Chinese song, "The Traveling Son," but only a couple are in Chinese, according to Amazon, anyway). She's also got one of the Duhks on guitar, a Collective Soul on percussion, one of her sister Earls on banjo, also Bela Fleck on National [pre-pedal, right?]steel and banjo, but overall sound said to be "spare." She says that it's easier to fit Chinese words to songs than English, because "Chinese words are all one or two syllables, usually ending with open vowels." On the show, she played her old-time open-back banjo, and the cellist (also on the album) was her only other player. On "Lost Land," the cello sounded like a harmonium for a long time, but fit the banjo like the Chinese words fit the melody.

don, Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

>the Nancy solo I've got is also self-titled, and has all the songs you mention. But the most recent song is copyright 2004.(bar code 783707976822--she's sitting on the top step of a green door, wearing a black shirt and bluejeans, right?)<

Yep, that's exactly the one I got, too (including the '04 part).

And Anthony, if Jason McCoy solo is even *remotely* milksoppy, or even tenderly melancholy, I'm almost *positive* I'd prefer his Road Hammers stuff. Which isn't to say I wouldn't check him out solo.

I still totally love the cocaine and hangover songs on that Shooter album, and am stumped about why George or anybody else would think the latter, at least, doesn't have a masterful kick to it. If Poco or Pure Prairie ever rocked that hard, they hid ir from me.) (Didn't notice he'd switched the cover at the end; that stinks, both because his "Living Proof" sounded good last time I listened to it and because I sent my advance to either Frank or George or both, without closely checking the tracklist apparently, when my real one arrived.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i understant that chuck, i think that in my critical capacity the sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, and also the watered down, sort of simulacra of rocking, is less real for mccoy then it is for any on that 4 cd trucking song box set that came on a few years ago--and i hate myself for saying that, oddly, cause we are supposed to be above all that, but i dont think he immerses himself fully into the material, and thats frustrating....

(though his last solo album, shes not missing missing me at all rocks the hell out of a broken heart)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony: I think there are two decent Go-Betweens anthologies, but I'm not sure if they're still in print. The individual albums have been reissued recently with bonus tracks, and I would get Tallulah and Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express first. I'm also very partial to Spring Hill Fair and Friends of Rachel Worth, but mostly for inscrutably personal reasons.
P.s. Don't let ND's rejection of that submission turn you off from them. I think everybody on this thread should pitch the editors, and hard, as the magazine would benefit from your voices.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Hope this isn't in poor taste given this week's tragic events, but the only Go-Betweens album I've ever been able to make it through awake and attentive is *Bellavista Terrace: The Best of the Go-Betweens* (Beggars Banquet, 1999), so maybe that's where to start.

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(and duh, Don, Nancy McCallion is clearly much better with a band, too. I absent-mindedly hadn't even noticed/remembered that "Moon Over the Interstate" was actually the *title track* of one of the two Mollys CDs on my self, so clearly she re-recorded it. Solo version is maybe my fourth favorite track on her solo album, which, in general, is lacking in Polka/Czech-Mex-type dance rhythms. Still good, though. I prefer Nancy in Fairport Convention/"Jolene"/"House Carpenter" mode ['Reckless Child'] to rockabilly mode ['Elvis Again' -- sounds like she's had to deal with lotsa Elvises in her life!, "Misery"], and in both of those modes to draggy singer-songwrirter alt-country zzzzzzz mode. But then I would, wouldn't I?)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

im not depressed at all, he was incredibly generous about my writing, and it really was a timing issue, i have two major writing projects this month, so im sort of blank on pitchs

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

>hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, <
>sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, <

I dunno, if it was such a commercial-careerism move (not that it'd necessarily be a bad thing if it was) wouldn't it consist of something other than country-rock trucker songs (hardly the most commercial subgenre out there)? How many trucker songs actually become c&w hits these days? or maybe they do in canada??) anyway, the more i listen, it's clear his "emotive" slow ones are the dullest songs on here (and so far the little feat and jerry reed covers seem the *least* dull -- though i like plenty of the truckin' originals too.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

in the sense of big and rich, jason aldean, gretchen wilson, and other country rock stuff--that and on the show, he got money from places like Western Star,

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 14 May 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the conventional singer-songwriter mopey mode is something new for Nancy, alas. She got back on the bus pretty soon after having her kid, but too soon for that, probably (True, wee Shooter had his crib on his parents' bus, but I'm not even sure, from Dan's old tour diary,whether the Mollys ever had an actual bus; mebbe a van? Much less one as well-appointed as the Outlaw coach) Was hoping she'd move to Trashville or El Lay and get some songs covered by the Chicks or Dolly etc, but she and her hubby, the last Mollys guitarist, Danny Krieger (who also wrote a song or two on her s/t), are still in Tucson, far as I know. She does play with a little trad country bar band sometimes, and the Mollys got back together this past St. Patricks Day. (The Zacallion Twins was a one-off as well.) You might not have the final version of the promo; the only way I got one was to ask, even though the pub knew I was writing a bigass feature (even bigerassed on thefreelancementalists, but better too). And the only way I knew to ask was Shooter's bass player mentioned it,as an afterthought. I asked him who played what on what,and he said he and Shooter each played about half the keybs (which I really like). Then, in a followup email, he said he played the horns on the end of "Living Proof," when they added Waylon's instrumental theme (to Hank Jr.'s song about his own paw, duh-huh). And then in a third email, come to think of it, that song's not on there no more.

don, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony I'm fairly positive that if there's a milksoppy or melancholy side to Jason McCoy, that's the bit I'll respond to the most. Given that, any recommendations where to start?

(As for the Go-Betweens, I think "Bellavista Terrace" probably is the place to start because it's an overview and that's the grown-up way, but I love "Spring Hill Fair" best of all, and I can't help thinking you're going to go mad for "Bachelor Kisses", and maybe "Part Company" (my favourite of all), so I'm half tempted to recomend you start there.)

Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

he has a best of cd out right now, and honky tonk angels, the cd is ecellent as is fears lies and angels (i need to check that title)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

darrell scott *the invisible man* in the mail yesterday, colorless singer-songwriter folk by a scruffly and apparently well-meaning old coot; didn't get through much of it, and it wouldn't even be worth mentioning except that it's got his version of "goodle, u.s.a.," which faith hill covered last year as "we've got nothing but love to prove," except it turns out she changed his line about "no more paint-by-numbers Jesus" to "no more paint-by-number hatred," and forgot to sing his line about "It's like Joe McCarthy was our acting president." She sings it (or pro-Tools it, who cares) better, though.

meanwhile i think i'm starting to come to turns with ashley monroe, a little. "he ain't coming back," her album's closer, is a breakfast breakup song (since she pours a cup of coffee in it) that seems to take its chorus's melody from one of my all-time breakfast breakup songs, "superwoman" by karyn white, but the breakfast breakup song it's paired with (since this one precedes it), "hank's cadillac," sounds like a teacher's pet is singing -- okay, maybe it's not a breakfast breakup song; wasn't paying attention to the (teacher's pet) title when i was listening to it, just to "if i'd kept the coffee strong," and regrets about all the other stuff she could've done different and he (hank?)'d still be around; the words are fine but the music's a bore. The two rockers, I guess (are there more?) are "can't let go" (another hard-to-let-go codependency-maybe song, same title mariah carey used once) and "pain pain" (which has the eddie rabbit love-me-in-the-rearview rap section and double entrende's about coming again). "that's why we call earch other baby" is the gender-quarrel duet, semi-rockabilly and not bad; who's the guy? (sounds like dwight yoakam, but maybe -- see my jason mccoy notes above -- everybody sounds like dwight to me this week). and then there's "satisfied," which feels dead in the water, and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

*born and raised* by self-released monroeville, PA six-piece cdbabies North of the Mason-Dixon (aka NOMAD) is interesting in a post-hair-metal world in that it includes (1) a cover of REO Speedwagon's "take it on the run" which sounds like the eagles, (2) a decent rocker called "farmer's daughter" that starts off seemingly swiping chordage from nazareth's "hair of the dog" even though NOMAD's idea of rocking is about one-twentieth what nazareth's idea of rocking was; (3) a track that sounds like billy ray cyrus doing a summer song halfway between bryan adams and kenny chesney; (4) a blatant bon jovi ballad imitation i don't like much called "i'm not your man; and (5) a decently drummed and horned rocker called "alone when you're lonely" that seems to employ cowbells. i also like the slightly latin bluegrassish lilt of "dyin' to live" and the hoedown jamming in "watch the girls." the "amazing grace" cover is okay, and the rest is no worse than lone star or rascal flatts. (in fact, i'd take the album anyday over the new rascal flatts CD, which i wound up liking two or three tracks on okay, but it still mainly stinks.)

road warriors song annoying me the most so far: "heart with four wheel drive". road warriors song reminding me most of big'n'rich so far: "i'm a road warrior," where they brag about their "pimped ride."

xhuxk, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

I think that's the Kasey Chambers connection I noted earlier. I like Kasey, but that's one of her most pusillanimous tunes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally got the Irma Thomas record xhuxk mentioned up-thread: it's stunning, spare when it should be, fulsome and funky and never strained. I love the sense of space. Even quaint doo-woppish r&b numbers like "I Count the Tears" have more to say that you'd guess. Her voice must be the most undiminished of all the great '60s soul women. That wonderful song "Flowers" was written by Kevin Gordon, an East Nashville hard luck songwriter/rocker. Did anyone else hear his album from last year, O Come Look at the Burning? His version of "Flowers" is on there. The album deserved more attention than it got.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually think "I Count the Tears" might be my favorite track on the Irma record -- and to me, it's just too sweet to sound quaint!

Now, rethinking the Road Hammers: I'm starting to the get an idea of what Anthony means about Jason McCoy's heart not being in the more rowdy trucker stuff. Outside of the two covers, which are real good but mostly because they're just plain great songs, the only song he really completely puts over, to my ears, is "Girl on the Billboard," which has a cool sort of modal/circular/fugue-ish verse structure and also must be the song I was referring to when I said he sounded like Dwight Yoakam, because it's the only one where he does. The one and only ballad, "Call it a Day," *does* seem somehow more heartfeltedly sung than the faster stuff, and it's not as dull as I implied upthread; the guy does lonesome weariness pretty well, I guess. But I also wouldn't say it's any *less* generic than the speedier tunes; just generic in a less energetic way. I like "I'm a Road Hammer" pretty well, but the five-minute "reprise" version of it at the end (with its jew's harp type break and remixed stretching-out effects) is more B'n'R than the regular version at the beginning, and though Jason also says "chillin' the most" in it, it's really not all *that* B''n'R; actually, toward the start of it, his voice reminds me a little of John Anderson for a line or two. "Nashville Bound" (as in "hellbent and Nashville bound") irritated me at first since its title seemed gratuitious in two different ways after they'd already done "East Bound and Down", but I'm a David Allan Coe and Charlie Daniels fan, so any song where long-haired country guys get in a fight with a redneck is okay by me. "Keep On Truckin'" is not Eddie Kendricks by any means (wow, I just checked Joel Whitburn's book; I had no idea his '73 proto-disco song of that name went #1 pop for two weeks!), but it's kinda funky regardless. And there's lots of little doo-dads, ignition noises and incidental tracks and a track of bloopers called "Flat Tires" (plus the theme song reprise) to make people think this 10-song (eight orignals) album has 14 songs on it, and I appreciate the ripoff shamelessness of that, but then again I didn't have to pay for the thing. Only song I hate is the Country-and-Westerbergish one, "Heart With Four Wheel Drive," which sounds as bland as bland can be.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

...and OOPS, I should of checked the credits before I typed "eight originals". "Girl on the Billboard" has apparently been sung in the past by Dave Dudley, Red Sovine, and others; I just never heard it. So the THREE best songs on the Road Hammers CD are all covers, and "The Hammer Goin' Down" was apparently written by Chris Knight, and "Heart With Four Wheel Drive" is "Paul Thorn/Billy Maddox 1995" (who are they?). So, more likely, just five originals, I guess.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally listened to this here Kasey Jones album of Mickey Newbury songs. Uggh. Useful if only to have all the worst versions of Newbury's songs in one place.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

& i dont mind a good cover album, either (speaking of good cover--god is the new springsteen angry and almost apocolyptic)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck wrote: as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

Roy wrote: P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

I'm back, I'm back. God, my mother's dying of cancer before my (and my sister's) eyes, we got this bad news a couple weeks ago. So I just have been worn out.

Tim Carroll and Elizabeth I've known for maybe 10 years. Great people.

I've been working, as much as I can in between this whole lousy situation--I did a piece on Mark Nevers for the Scene that should run next Wednesday, and he's a fascinating guy. Whatever else you can say about him or Bare or even Lambchop, he gets some cool sounds, and on this new (non-country, actually sorta "Adventure"-era Television/Pavement sounding) Lone Official record he did (they're a Nashville band led by a guy named Matt Button who writes songs about horseracing, feeling lost in the big city, and one kinda great one about bar fights!), Nevers is kinda a poet of the pedal steel or somethin' corny like that. Anyway, I found him real interesting, real cool (into punk rock and Eno and stuff) and he really uses those Music Row miking techniques mixed with his vintage 2-inch tape machines and so forth). I like the way his records sound, even the Candi Staton which I think Chuck mentioned he wasn't impressed by--well, it's probably a bit staid in a way, but it sounds great to me, real good revivalism that isn't stupid.

So far behind--I am also talking to Blaine Larsen sometime next week, so I got to sit down and re-listen to his new one.

I read some of the above posts, and will catch up tomorrow, I promise. I hope everyone here is doing OK--Anthony, Chuck, Roy, Don, everyone.

I did notice some talk about "Girl on the Billboard" above--the great version I know is by Del Reeves. And Chuck, remember the Dean Martin reissue of "Swinging Down Yonder" you were talking about? I saw a great film of him doing "Hominy Grits" from that record, around '52. Awesome.

Finally, it is terrible about Grant from the Go-Betweens. I don't know all their stuff, but I do like a few songs from "Tallulah" which is the most commonly praised one, I think, and from "The Friends of," the one they did in Oregon or wherever. But I never went the way of a lot of people with them, I never quite loved them or anything. They always seemed so serious, and I was always a bit put off by the angst or something. Angst, man, I do not need right now.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

whats the album called, and who is putting it out.
i am really sorry about your mother, ill do the candle and prayer thing at mass next week...i wish i could help more

much love
ase

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Good to hear from you, edd. Be well.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, all love and support for you and your family in this difficult time.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 20 May 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, sorry to hear about your mother. Best of luck and everything, and I'm always glad to read your posts when you get the chance.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Ashley Monroe alb release delayed 'til September or so.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

hey is that dixie chicks video like very deliberately 'yes yes rub face' evoking oil? it's a gorgeous vid in any case (love sophie vids)(although the standard sophie dramatic flourishes - i swear to god i think they bow maybe - rub me rawer in this one than in 'mr brightside' or whatever).

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, best wishes, Edd. I hope you and your family are holding up and get through this OK; you're in my thoughts.

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ive become obsessed lately with the singer songwriter josh ritter, i like how he writes, and i like his voice, though he might be a little too acousticy for the rest of ya'll

(his song girl in the war, is a gender reversal that fascinates, he sings about waiting for his gf, or wife, to come back from being killed...and since i think he is canadian, and we allow women to serve in combat here, and when he sings

And I got a girl in the war, Paul the only thing I know to do
Is turn up the music and pray that she makes it through

it breaks my fucking heart, there have been a lot of protest songs lately, some god awful (bright eyes), and some brilliant (springsteen)
but this is this most personal of an obit ive heard...

i can ysi if anyone wants to hear it

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i might be taking this too literally, and the war might be the realtionship or something like tht, but the more i listen to it, its seems to really be about soilders (he sings lots and lots of songs about how girls dont like him very much which may mean its not about combat, and sometimes he ventures into abstract poetics, so we got to keep yr ears open, and maybe i want this song to be about something that it isnt--he has a voice thats warm, and only slightly atonal, and a little nasal, but more intimate then the others of his genre...so even if its not about war directly, i think the album is on my best of this year so far)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.christiankiefer.com/presidents.htm
also this was amazing, but might be too indie wank for this thread

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, you should read Robert Christgau's College of Joshes roundup from a couple years ago; Ritter's in there:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0335,christgau,46533,22.html

Me, I just played Hank III's cover (on a 2000-copy limited edition picture disc split 45 on oi!-friendly TKO Records) of Antiseen's catchiest song ever "Ruby Get Back to the Hills," and Hank performs the seemingly impossible task of TAKING ALL OF THE TUNE OUT OF AN ANTISEEN TUNE via his usual dried-out riverbank country nostalgia shtick turning into hack dime-a-dozen mosh noise bullshit halfway through, quite an accomplishment (being less melodic than Antiseen, I mean, since Antiseen generally make Motorhead seem like Abba in comparison), but I damned if I'll listen to it again (since he also extracts all the power and humor from the song.) I swear, III annoys me more and more as time goes on. (By the way, are his digs at Kid Rock because Hank Jr has called Kid his "son" or whatever once? That occured to me, and obviously it'd make sense.) Oddly, I actually enjoy the flipside, Antiseen doing "F.T.K." (= "Fuck the Kids," gratitously homophobic but at least thankfully not gratutiously pedophilic, and mostly just gratuitously get-offa-my-lawn-you-idiot-punk-rock-whippersnappers-before-I-get-my-shotgun curmudgeonhood, which I relate too); was that a Hank III song once? (Best new TKO 45 though, is "Broken Bottles" by a band named Broken Bottles, a droney slimey nasal tuneful punk clodhop about getting thrown out of a club that plays '80s dance music, then drinking in the street. That's the B-side; A-side "Suburban Dream" is more cliched but has an actual song to it, too--neighborhood watch amid picket fences; chorus for some reason saying "you and me, we could be the best of friends".)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(actually, that motorhead/abba analogy i just made was stupid; motorhead were actually extremely hooky despite themselves once upon a time, and still are compared to the vast majority of metal out there. plus, lemmy is an abba fan. but you get my point, i'm sure.)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I also really like the Josh Ritter album--there's a good feature on him in the new ND by Linda Ray; I also wrote about him there a few years ago--and I think "Girl in the War" is amazing: the lyrics first struck me as sub-Dylan allusive nonsense, but the song may well be about the paradox of seeking solace in religion in times of religious (or religion-fueled) wars. Especially when you're aching for a girl with champagne eyes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

and who isnt these days

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

you?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, im all about female soliders with champagne eyes, though my experience is mostly isreali, and the frission f political dissent is always a little erotic

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

ok so 'baby hold on' is almost definitely the next dixie chix single right?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, just got back and caught up; so sorry about your Mom. I know this has going on for a while. I've had some experiences somewhat like that; drop me a line if you ever want to discuss (or for whatever else, of course) xxxxpost: xhuxx, not familiar with Billy Maddox, but Paul Thorn wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," and I've written on here (and maybe Rolling 20005) about a couple of his live sets on radio and TV(used to be really annoying, and he's still not exactly subtle, but getting to be pretty good with the stylistic switcheroo: crassly funny to spooky to kitchy to all at once, at best; also some okay plain serious, and some not okay). Roy, just finished the Chatham County Line thing: you were asking of any good, and yeah, first and third are. Second slumps, but a few good-to-great ("Saro Jane," an original) tracks. (Can sample all their first and second albums' tracks on yeproc,I hope, since they got 'em as individual downloads; third's tracks not available yet, since album's out on the 30th). Leader Dan Wilson has good evocative songs, most of the time, and they don't do the nasal lockjaw squeak. Was reminded of your man Tim Easton, and now I see they've done some shows together. Now to listen to the album you sent, thanks (cool design; is that your daygig?) So: Billy Walker, killed in Alabama car crash. Was he good?

don, Monday, 22 May 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Finally listened to the Lee Roy Parnell alb Back to the Wall that xhuxk was liking upthread; I don't find any reason to dislike it but I also think that here's another guy with a good voice who just isn't quite a frontman. In fact, I hear more "voice" in the guitar playing than in the singing - bent notes feeling like a human cry. The guitar is excellent, being part of the songs and doing solos without jumping around saying "Here's my solo turn" (not that some guitars shouldn't jump around and do their turns when played with genius). The guitar has bite in the midst of the slow bedroom soul of "Something Out of Nothing," but song and singer need to take command in a way that they can't. For the quiet sadness I'd like Toby Keith singing and for the slow smolder I'd want Travis Tritt. Which isn't to say that I would be unhappy hearing these songs on the radio. Is there a format that handles this music anymore? It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country, but my guess is that the country stations are the only hope it's got.

Now a question I've asked myself and that I don't have an answer for is: Why do I feel that this type of blues-soul is living within unnecessary constraints, snug in its form (especially since, for sure, there's a lot of variety, southern rock to slow blues to jazzy cloudbursts)? Anyhow, that's how I do feel, feel the same thing about the Jessi Colter (which I like quite a lot), that they're too far within a form, and I'm therefore feeling at a distance.

But I don't think that (for instance) Lindsay Lohan is unnecessarily constrained for not loading up her songs with blues licks and not stepping out of her forms.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Both the new Leeroy Parnell and Jessi Colter albums (neither of which, admittedly, I've played much since I first got them, but heck, I'd say the same thing about Lohan's album, which I'm sure I prefer) strike me as less constrained, with more individual songs jumping out and more rock energy and more details to the distinguish one song from another, than the reissue of Delaney and Bonnie's Stax 1969 *Home*, which I've had in my five-CD changer for the past couple days (and which is playing all the way through in the background now, as a last resort before it hits the sell box), and which always sounds pleasant whenever a song comes up, but which never leaves any impression whatsoever beyond that. What is supposed to be so great about this thing again? Sounds pretty darn pro forma to me. Christgau apparently loved them -- gave their '70s albums all A's or A-'s, and seemed to be saying their late '60s ones were even better. *Rolling Stone Record Guide* (red '79 edition, all the later boring ones are in storage now I think, ha ha) claims they were a big influence on Clapton, which could be good or bad. Anyway, I'm thinking people must have just been impressed about Duck Dunn working with these polite white folkies, and I seriously doubt I'll keep the damn thing. Feel free to try to convince me otherwise.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, frank, isn't it inductive reasoning to note that certain individuals in genre x are more constrained than certain individuals in genre y, and then assume they both speak for their entire genres? i mean, do you also think toby keith's music is less constrained than, say, vanessa carlton's or michelle branch's? i sure don't -- though who knows, maybe that just means i need to listen to vanessa or michelle more. and i doubt they're the best examples anyway. but also, just because, say, pink lets more genres into her music than, say, dale watson {whose album actually strikes me as quite varied, regardless} doesn't mean i'd rather listen to her. and now, i don't.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, i realize i'm sort of putting words in your mouth; you actually sorta set toby up *against* leeroy, which might mean that, unlike jessi, toby might not qualify as "this kind of blues-soul." and maybe vanessa and michelle are part of a different genre than lindsay, too. but whatever their genres are, i doubt it would be all that difficult to find some member of the leeroy genre whose music is less constained than some member of the lindsay genre. and since in the *past* you've surely complained about current country being constrained in ways that current teen-pop {and current hip-hop} are (which i don't buy myself -- all three genres strike my own ears as constrained *and* varied} i still believe i'm making a valid point.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, i meant:

"you've surely complained about current country being constrained in ways that current teen-pop {and current hip-hop} AREN'T"

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Lee Roy Parnell is more comparable to Jon Nicholson than Toby Keith or Jessi Colter, I think, or Lindsay Lohan; he's more of an enlightened crooner who uses blues and country in search of the Genre Without A Name in between. Toby might think he's doing that, but he always defaults to country; Kenny Chesney thinks he does it, but his default is set to Eagles and James Taylor; Garth went there a couple of times, but he listened to a couple of his songwriting buddies one night when they all were high and we all know what happened next. Anthony Hamilton went there but then retreated; Ann Peebles had a home there for a little while; I think Allison Moorer rents a room there, but you guys all disagree.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, that was supposed to read "blues and country and soul", whatever

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, as far as I can tell, Lee Roy's feet seem stuck to the ground in a pair of lead shoes compared to Toby's, there's no comparison. (I also wish Leeroy seemed as fun--as pop--as Jon Nicholson, or Pat Green for that matter, though Toby's way more soulful than any of the above. *The Blackwell Guide to Recorded Country Music* compares Leeroy's first album from 1990, which I've never heard--in fact, I've never *anything* but his new album, I don't think, so what the hell do I know? Was he more pop back when he actually had country hits?--to Delbert McClinton, which sounds right to me, not that I've ever listened to Delbert enough to figure out if he's any good.)

Speaking of Garth, I've been trying to wade through his damn 17-song outtakes thingamajig from early this year, and I never get very far into it before I give up. Not sure why -- maybe just because it's so fucking long (like all the hip-hop albums I haven't been able to get through this year.) So far, I definitely like the song where he's leaving a bar but he doesn't know where so he asks the operator to trace his cellphone call to determine his global position, and I'm less sure about the one where God reincarnates him as a cowgirl's saddle so he'll be close to his two favorite things in life, a cowgirl and a horse. (The conceit of which reminds me somehow of "I Want to Sniff Sheila Young's Bicycle Seat After a 15-Mile Ride" by my old high school pals Luke Mucus and the Phlegm, though I doubt that's intentional.) Beyond that, Garth, I have no frigging idea yet.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

(Dammit - I meant I've never HEARD anything but Leeroy's new album. Which, as I detail way up thread, I actually *enjoy*, despite the misgivings I just stated. He strikes me as a stodgy old cuss, but at least a lively one, which is more than you can say for most.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not talking about "quality," Chuck, just genre-leanings; I actually don't think Lee Roy is all that interested in country music at all, and neither really is Nicholson, whereas Toby is pretty steeped in it. I'm not even getting into discussions about who sounds lead-footed, not on this thread and not with you, and not with anyone else either, because that's all ear-of-the-behearer territory.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

That Garth saddle song sounds awesome though!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Matt, both I (see my Feb 28 post: "NOTHING on this record is MORE country than soul or blues") and Frank ("It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country") acknowledge that Parnell's priority is in places other than country, so I guess that's something we all agree on. And sure, that's probably not the case with Toby. But I still don't see how that makes Toby's music less an exploratory "search of the Genre Without A Name" than Parnell's; maybe Parnell would explore more if country *was* his frame. As is, compared to Toby, he seems stylistically stuck in place, which was my lead-shoe point.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(Compared to Chesney, too; his music just feels way more *open* than Leeroy's. Which might just mean that, nowadays, the scope of "country" is much wider than the scope of "this kind of blues-soul" or "the genre without a name" or whatever you wanna call it.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

(and ha ha, now I'M reasoning inductively!)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't want to say that the midpoint of country and blues and soul is necessarily the best place to be; after all, I fully expect the new Hacienda Bros. record to be right there smack dab in the middle, and I fully expect to love it the first three times I hear it, and I fully expect to never listen to it again. And I agree that there is a use for Toby Keith in this world, and that he has soul elements right alongside his shit-kickery. But I still can't see any earthly use for Kenny Chesney, because I think he proves that there are limitations involved in having one's music be "open". But his singles sound okay on the radio, I guess, sometimes.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the Hacienda Bros' new album better than that Parnell one - they cover the Intruders ("I useta chase the girls and beat 'em up", still wtf after all these years) *and* Charlie Rich *and* the Boxtops, and do Tex-Mex and spaghetti western and Irish-ish stuff, too. But yeah, it all ends up in the same place, somehow, and I'm not gonna predict I'll return to it much, either. Not as much as to Chesney, at least. (Actually, I never even heard Kenny's most recent one; did anybody here? *When the Sun Goes Down* and *No Shoes No Shirt No Problems* are his great ones; his best-of CD's in storage.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of toby, why the hell did brooks and dunn do the merel haggard tribute at the 40 years of ACM show, instead of Toby, Toby is the closest to outlaw we have right now, hes clever, hes ambigous, the voice is similar, and well it seems a better fit?

whos watching the acm 2006 awards show tonite?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Most recent Chesney I've liked: "Who'd You Be Today" and "Anything But Mine" (pretty much the same musically, but each set of lyrics establishes its own turf, and Kenny obliges). Country-blues-soul does get played, but I hear it more often on NPR, on shows like "Beale Street Caravan" and "American Routes," "World Cafe" (though the latter also features stuff far from country-blues-soul),and sometimes "Woodsongs" will have like Cowboy Jack Clements or Jim Dickinson or The Gourds, all of whom are more idiosyncratic than ones so far cited, but not very constrained, unless you thank they should be more mainstream-accesible(they do make a living, as is). But mostly "Woodsongs" has somebody more acoustic, like xpost Peasall Sisters. "Beale Street Caravan" and "Woodsongs" are live sets, though ("AM Routes" more studio). "World Cafe" is both; a lot (though not all)of the album tracks they play are bad-to-neglgible American and UK NPR stereptypes (Feist). But the live-in-the-studio sets, which I've mentioned before on these Rolling threads (Rosanne's, for inst) are what I listen for, and they're posted here and there, as well as where they "should" be posted---but my point is that a lot of these artists find exposure either through non-commercial radio formats, or through live sets ("Beale St" tapes stuff in clubs and at festivals all over the country), and/or through newer commercial media, like satellite radio and Webcasts. Also, some networking and performance exposure through other ventures, like I've seen several artists emtnion they got some deal together via Delbert McClinton's Blues Cruise (.And his recent Cost Of Living is mostly pretty droll, xxhuxx, though whether it would be a keeper, I dunno: I think I'm gonna send mine to Luc, but not cos it's bad, it's just established all the room in my headbox it's ever gonna demand.) Haven't listened to Delaney and Bonnie in a while, but when I heard the reissue of their Live, no longer grabbed me like it did on LP, except for one track that made me pogo, most unusually. I suspect they're more significant re networking also: Clapton joined up after Rolling Stone called him the master of blues cliche and he broke up Cream (although I'd say such mastery is good basis for arena thud-rock, but he meant it to be more) and there he pretty much put together Derek And The Dominos, but also with horns and better vocal harmonies than D and the Ds did on their own. And other careers were advanced from D and B enterprises, and seemed like they helped establish the country-blues-soul Southern Rock thing as viable (Lucrative on the road and FM and album sales, rather than *solely* road-piggybacking basically limited-lifespan Top Forty success, like with Box Tops etc). Roy: thanks for Rough Shop. I like most of the playing, several of the tunes, some of the whole songs, and occasionally the vocals.(Words and vocals tend to vague out on each other.) But can imagine somebody else doing good versions (maybe hits, or at least Featured Tracks that actually get played on the radio) of "I'm Your Man" and "Town's For Sale." And maybe "Final Wild Sons" and some others.

don, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(x-post) :( rubbish British telly.

Anthony I ought one of the Jason McCoy records you recommended and it's great! It doesn't sound quite right to me (in a good way) and I'll try to work out why at some point when I'm less busy.

I bought my first Toby CD the other day, too: Honkytonk U (I'd managed to pick up the impression that he was going to be just too rock-ish for my namby tastes, I've no idea how...). I adore that, too.

Strange thing, not being a downloader, and not having a serviceable c&w radio station I can find here, the records I buy are the records I know. That means I am largely buying on the recommendations of you lot (filtered through what I understand of each of your respective tastes). I suspect this is giving me an idiosyncratic understanding of modern country music.

(All best wishes Edd, by the way.)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim, try Toby's Pull My Chain.(of course the thing about xpost Peasall Sisters is not just that they are acoustic, but more mountainy than what we're talking about here)(xpost Jon Nicholson sounds fairly country to me, though like I said in Voice, he's a denizen of El Lay to NashVegas urban country, like Rodney, and Rosanne before she got so settled into NYC, and most Country artists on whutever media, basically, though early tracks on his album are too Chris Robinson for my taste, but still basically the same approach as country-blues-soul-rockish)speaking of Webcasts (with and without commercials), and text, like interviews, reviews, forums news (of non-Celebrities, like teacher taking her geetar into the classroom), a good source I've just come across is http://www.realcountrymusic.org

don, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

which jason mccoy album, tim?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

can we talk about the big and rich which rhymes nineteen/green/sixteen/ and i think marine, on the CMA, it was rather awful in a cloying sentimental and awfully refienthalish

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

"thingies, wotsits and lies", or whatever it's called. (And A, I enjoyed reading your write-up of the awards show this morning, thanks!)

Thanks too to Don for the recommendation, I'll be listening to that as soon as it chugs its way across the sea from Florida or wherever.

I'm off to see Neko Case tonight. I warmed to her last LP a bit over time, I think it has four or five tremendously good songs on it (It took me a good 25 listens over the course of a month to come to that conclusion, which makes me think I kind of forced myself into liking it but that's fine really, it's the liking thing that's important and I must have been hearing something worthwhile to give it that many goes, I suppose.)

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

thnx tim!
i still dont like the neko, i know what she was going for, and it was ambitious, but ill put it into the failed experiment camp.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

>rather awful in a cloying sentimental and awfully refienthalish <

how so, anthony? i only caught the song's tail end; noticed they had a bunch of old VFW vets (WWII age, maybe? But it's a Vietnam song, right?) up there in purple uniforms. also noticed that, despite the seeming seriousness of the occasion (acknowledged by Sugarland when they next accepted their award -- by the way, did they thank their dykey departed member? If not, they can go fuck themselves), Big still had on his crazy top-hat thing. Song's hard to get through on the album; I assume it would've been even more so on TV, so I'm not bummed that I missed it. Didn't watch much of the rest of the show -- "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" with Vegas dancers was embarrasing (and Reba's butt puns introducing it were even more embarrassing); "Jesus Take the Wheel" seemed really dull, and I basically like both songs so maybe I was just in a crabby mood. Billy Ray Cyrus's daughter seemed smart as a whip and a real charmer (and smarter than her dad, who she had to remind to say one of his lines) when she presented an award, though. Did anybody manage to mention the Dixie Chicks?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

The miltary guys, the american flags, the giant screens with footage of soilders, the noise (visual and auditory) in contrast with the quietness, and how it seemed coded--it really did seem like a hawk song that didnt have the courage of its conventions...

maybe reifensthal is the wrong touchstone, but with the milatirized spectacle, it was the first thing that came to my head (i may be crabby too, because i used the phrase kinder kirche kuche to describe gretchen wilson, and the towering trace adkins, with the rockettes show girls was an all american Cabaret--it was a really strange show, really sort of unapolgetically neo-con, and stage managed, in a way that the grammies never were.

which is why the thompson qoute was so brilliant

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

huh, what thompson quote? can you link to your write-up, anthony?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Don: Gracias for giving that Rough Shop CD a spin (and to clarify, it's not my day gig--they're just friends I've known for a long time and I'm trying to help them get their CD out to the world).

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Just posted this on the teenpop thread:

Best song on the (so-so) new Drive-By Truckers is "Easy On Yourself" - it's dragged down by Isbell's nondescript vocals, and it's got pseudo-wise lyrics that amount to fuckall, but it has a good tune that sounds surprisingly like DioGuardi-Shanks in emotional Lohan-support mode. Also has good Truckers rattle-clatter guitar - conveying tunefulness via rattle-clatter has always been a Trucker strength.

Of course, 'twould probably be way better if Shanks & DioGuardi had written it, and way more evocative, emotional, ALIVE with Lindsay's pipes.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

One:
The new big and rich single rhymes nineteen/green/m16 and they had all of these old marines, and images of battle on 20 foot screens behind them, it was this strange, amazing conflation of public spectacle and historical revisonism, almost but not quite about iraq

Two:
Starting with a 20 foot projection of himself, ending with formation dancing vegas show girls, worshipping trace adkins, Honky Tonk Badonkadonk continues to triumph

Three:
Jesus Take the Wheel, Carrie Underwood's new single, is intensely, powerfully, religious, desperate in its faith, and one of the best written songs this year. Her performance is overwhelming in its power. She cries at the end of the performance, and later, when winning, remembers to thank Simon Callow and 19 Records (cf Clarkson at the Grammies)

Four
Gretchen Wilson Politically Uncorrect, the second single to use the phrase low man on the totem pole (the other one is by Toby Keith), the most politically expolisive thing about the entire fucking song is the acknowledgement that america might actually have a working poor and talking about being for the working man, something that neither kerry nor bush were for the last election, its become somewhat of an anthem (THIS TIME WITH MERLE) who sings really well with Wilson, sort of a whiskey/honey kind of arrangement (the conflation of working class values with religion and the miltary has a kind of kinder kircher kuche vibe on the edges, esp. with the waving american flag motiff

Five
This is the first performance that convinced me that the pretty blonde from sugar land was as a good singer as the scary dyke--the dyke (who may be fired now, cause i didnt see her playing this time) is still one of the best guitar players ive heard on recent radio, this ones a rocker (and quite a good time)

Six
Jo Dee Messina looks like somewhere b/w one of Prince's back up dancers, and Raquel Welch in 1 000 000 years BC

Seven
Montgomery Gentry, continues to combine small town nostaliga, with a myriad of daddy issues. There is a different between the anger of working class rebellion in Gretchen Wilson, no matter how stage managed it is, and Gentry's who seems to think that if you are working at all, just shut up and quit yr bitching, for someone so loud they sure seem to like ideological compliance.

Eight
Vince Gill one of the genuinely kind men in the industry, gives his humanitarian award to a small child with cancer, and yeah its mawkish and kind of sentimental, but unscripted and i find myself welling up.

Nine
Little Big Town's Boondooks, useless for the first three minutes, the harmonic convergance of the last few lines, quick and free, are effortless, and so well constructed. It starts with this almost hip hop scat singing, and then goes into this round, almost a hipper barber shop, one of the best musical moments of the night.

Ten
we rock to live, we live to rock--rascall flatts (they dont)
b)
Kelly Clarkson doing Rascall Flatts ballads shows the strength of Clarksons' voice and the weakness of the the Flatts writings

Eleven
The Wright Brothers qoute the infamous Hunter Thompson line about the music industry being a plastic trench (they are doing it from memory, off teleprompter, because they paraphrase, the full qoute is: ""The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Quite bitter for a self conglaturatory wank fast.

Twelve:
I love Sara Evans, but she hasnt been with in a thousand miles of anything resembling a coal mine.

Thirteen:
Ever time I hear Brooks and Dunn, i hate them more and more, i am almost now becoming almost ill hearing them again, and i dont know why---i could use words like artifical nostaliga, or toxic sentiment but I like those things in other artists, and it could be the politics of the domestic, but thats one of the reasons why I listen to country. Its not even the music, church choirs withstanding, they are decent song writers and good instrumentalists...but i hate them, and this performance well constructed towards audience. IT confuses me.

Fourteen
Martina tries to do honky tonk or texas swing or something that requires singer less rigid and less safe. Shes horribly boring.

Fifteen
Dwight Yoakham, ZZ Tops Bill Gibbons, The Byrds Chris Hillman, Blink 182's Travis Barker (!?), Brad Paisley, and members of the original Buck Band, and it doesnt sound bad, but then as long as you keep the energy up, its impossible to make Buck sound bad, and they keep the energy up. (Paisleys realtionship to traditonal country is really interesting, and it contiunes to be here, he seems a natural for the mateiral, but isnt as comfortable as even Barker) Its also Ballad heavy, aside from Act Naturally, which was kind od disappointing...has someone ever written on outlaw country and married pairs, because Bonnie Owens (an amazing singer and song writer on her own right) is getting the same kind of attention as Buck) Also The Streets of Bakersfield is really fucking political in its use of geography/place, sort of the anti Okie from Muskokie

Sixteen
Kenny Chesney again.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspect this is giving me an idiosyncratic understanding of modern country music.

Roffling

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

xhuxk, before Anthony posted I was going to send you here:

http://community.livejournal.com/poptimists, where you can get an idiosyncratic understanding of everything (cf. Lex on the six Britney singles and six Britney album tracks that he thinks are better than "...Baby One More Time," "Oops," and "Toxic."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

delet period, close paren, add period

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

delet = delete (Jeez, I'm getting senile; yesterday over on the teenpop thread I called Rachel Stevens "Rachel Sweet")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

The blues-soul-country guy who seems totally nonconstrained is T. Graham Brown, and he doesn't sound like he's in search of anything. And I wouldn't say his music is particularly varied, at least not more than anyone else we're mentioning. So I obviously haven't figured out what I mean by constrained. He just seems comfortable where he is with no need to go elsewhere. This is what my earbrain is telling me. But I don't feel that I can explain or justify this. But in general (putting Brown aside), I feel that there's an area of blues-soul-country that does seem fenced-in, and I'd put Nicholson and Moorer there as well. Or maybe those are neighboring areas.

(One could call Shooter Jennings "blues-soul-country," but he's obviously in a different world from everyone else we've just mentioned. "Rock.")

Parnell's is a good album, but the voice doesn't seem up to the arrangements. And maybe the songwriting isn't, either. But I'd actually like to hear Toby Keith doing more of that kind of material. My favorite song of Toby's is "That's Not the Way It Is," which I called "Quiet Storm" when I reviewed it.

Robert Cray seems relevant here.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, everyone. I had an interesting experience yesterday,interviewed Blaine Larsen as he walked around a Vegas casino. smart, canny guy, and altho he didn't tell me anything too earth-shattering, he did tell me one thing I didn't know about his first record (which I think is better than the second, altho now I finally got to buckle down and listen to it in more detail, this weekend): those songs were demos, all of them. which I guess isn't so strange to contemplate, given that songwriter/label demos done before a recording session here are almost always basically finished products, and as releasable as anything that comes out of the studios.


blues/soul/country: Tony Joe White, Eddie Hinton, Donnie Fritts (Fritts ain't no singer, though; I just heard this Jon Tiven-produced Oh Boy record of Fritts', on which DF and Lucinda Williams desecrate the Fritts-written "Breakfast in Bed" that Dusty did so seductively on "In Memphis."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard the tail end of ACM from the other room and heard the host (who was Reba? (who, btw, made me feel... funny)) make some Dixie Chicks reference that got a big, sustained roar out of the crowd. I think it was anti-, but not sure.

I had been warming a bit to B&D, but they really seemed like "douches" last night.

Paisley has really succeeded in provoking my interest. Now I might actually get his record. Do I really have to eat my Blaine Larsen vegetables first?

B&R will be at the memorial day National Symphony concert this weekend.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts: 1) Tim,Anthony I haven't been that crazy about Neko's new tracks either. Though I haven't heard the whole thing, just h several on the radio--she did do a couple of them really fetchingly on a live TV show, though, and delivered a full set of earlier, better-seeming songs on Austin City Limits last year, with Kelly Hogan and her usual crew. (Even a relatively disappointing hout of Austin City Limits is better than most weeks of CMT, speaking of country-blues-rock etc) Hopefully Hogan will still be there, but I know troublechilde genius Catherine Irwin is on the European tour, so by all means go. (Didn't hear Blacklist or the live album, but The Virginian and Furnace Room Lullaby rule, though channeling Nico and Patsy Cline and Scott Walker and gospel through your coded diary might be too much for rich for some; spare production, though)2)a: Rachel Sweet would be a good subject for Rolling Teenpop; b: ZZ etc, but nothing that Lohan's pipes couldn't improve, eh? Whut a surprise. c: everybody's "constrained" to some fucking extent, and your Teenpop goddesses are constrained by their relatively(age-related) limited experience, in music and other.That doesn't mean they're bad, but the sometimes limits show. Some of the country-blues-soul guys might be constrained by absolutely (age-related) weighty experience in music and other. T. Graham was last heard (by me) droning an albumsworth of rehab bromides (if that's not a contradiction in terms). Gentry's more interesting with that mindset: they mutter and spout and seem like they're (dreaming of) jumping their tattooed needlescarred asses rat off the halfway house steps and onto a passing National Guard truck, boucning off it and onto the stage again(entertaining the troops one way or another).3) Eddie Hinton makes good use of his constraint and blues-soul-country compulsions (and their cost), rehabbing just long enough to play up to all the instruments, and write most of the songs and arrangements, and wind and sometimes shred his husky-cute to wirrrred mod-poboy voice, on the first two volumes of The Songwriter Sessions, which are mostly great demos, but the current Vol 3 is mostly just demos. 4) The closest I've seen to an extended piece on Outlaw marriage is Guralnick on Charlie and Margaret Ann Rich (who wrote some of his best songs). Charlie was too musically and emotionally hyphenated to fit anywhere really comfortably, and certainly something of a lower-case outlaw/contrarian. (Though the most public moment of that was prob when he was supposed to announce John Denver as the winner in that TV awards ceremony, and somehow the envelope caught fire.)5) Holy crap, xxhuxx was right about Rebel Meets Rebel! Metal thud meets boogie bounce, wonder if Charlie Daniels has heard this? So, were Pantera any good on their own?

don, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts: 1) Tim,Anthony I haven't been that crazy about Neko's new tracks either. Though I haven't heard the whole thing, just h several on the radio--she did do a couple of them really fetchingly on a live TV show, though, and delivered a full set of earlier, better-seeming songs on Austin City Limits last year, with Kelly Hogan and her usual crew. (Even a relatively disappointing hout of Austin City Limits is better than most weeks of CMT, speaking of country-blues-rock etc) Hopefully Hogan will still be there, but I know troublechilde genius Catherine Irwin is on the European tour, so by all means go. (Didn't hear Blacklist or the live album, but The Virginian and Furnace Room Lullaby rule, though channeling Nico and Patsy Cline and Scott Walker and gospel through your coded diary might be too much for rich for some; spare production, though.)2)a: Rachel Sweet would be a good subject for Rolling Teenpop; b: ZZ etc, but nothing that Lohan's pipes couldn't improve, eh? Whut a surprise. c: everybody's "constrained" to some fucking extent, and your Teenpop goddesses are constrained by their relatively(age-related) limited experience, in music and other.That doesn't mean they're bad, but the sometimes limits show. Some of the country-blues-soul guys might be constrained by absolutely (age-related) weighty experience in music and other. T. Graham was last heard (by me) droning an albumsworth of rehab bromides (if that's not a contradiction in terms). Gentry's more interesting with that mindset: they mutter and spout and seem like they're (dreaming of) jumping their tattooed needlescarred asses rat off the halfway house steps and onto a passing National Guard truck, boucning off it and onto the stage again(entertaining the troops one way or another).3) Eddie Hinton makes good use of his constraint and blues-soul-country compulsions (and their cost), rehabbing just long enough to play up to all the instruments, and write most of the songs and arrangements, and wind and sometimes shred his husky-cute to wirrrred mod-poboy voice, on the first two volumes of The Songwriter Sessions, which are mostly great demos, but the current Vol 3 is mostly just demos. 4) The closest I've seen to an extended piece on Outlaw marriage is Guralnick on Charlie and Margaret Ann Rich (who wrote some of his best songs). Charlie was too musically and emotionally hyphenated to fit anywhere really comfortably, and certainly something of a lower-case outlaw/contrarian. (Though the most public moment of that was prob when he was supposed to announce John Denver as the winner in that TV awards ceremony, and somehow the envelope caught fire.)5) Holy crap, xxhuxx was right about Rebel Meets Rebel! Metal thud meets boogie bounce, wonder if Charlie Daniels has heard this? So, were Pantera any good on their own?

don, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

>So, were Pantera any good on their own? <

Hells no! And as George says, they're not really boogieing better than your average bar band even with Coe fronting them. George hates the record; I guess I don't mind them being an average bar band; they're funky enough, and Coe manages to be Coe-worthy on top. Sure beats the rigid-assed thrash tedium they've always settled for.

I have no memory of the Driveby Truckers' "Easy On Yourself"; don't seem to've mentioned it up above, when I discussed the album, which I apparently liked less than Frank does. Song must've slipped right by me. And the album's no longer in my vicinity, so I can't check it.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel a bit sorry for them after seeing the Pantera special on VH1 twice. They really did wind up as an unintentionally macabre tale of white trash woe. But Pantera was a band that live and died by its tightness and precision power thrash, a fact every surviving member and hagiographer are quick to remind you all the time on the documentary. They elevated the image of masonry nail-eating, whisky-chugging hirsute fighting men to nauseau-and-headache inspiring levels. What would be rebellious would be if they stopped calling themselves rebels and joined the army, already.

Dimebag or no, or Coe, they're never going to be more than a lousy to fair boogie band, regardless of who plays guitar. You don't deliver pepperoni pizza in cement mixer, so to speak. And that's why I didn't like the record. "Penitentiary Blues" has more groove and good I-IV-V from the studio hacks hired by Toilet Roll Teddie.

Anyway, out of sympathy, I'll probably give it another listen. But...


George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Well I had a disastrously bad day at work yesterday in a poxy satellite town near London, which involved me, at the end of the day, having to take a couple of the poor unfortunates who work with me to the pub and buy them some drinks, to calm them (and me down).

All of which meant that I arrived about a quarter of the way into Neko's show, soaked with rain and somewhat out of temper.

And she was pretty good considering, once or twice she even kinda sorta made me forget about other stuff. I ended up thinking that about 30% of her songs are fantastic and the rest end up being weaker re-treads of the good ones. Her voice is amazing and carries some of the material, I think. Her songwriting tuill reminds me of early Paddy McAloon.

I wouldn't want to live without "The Needle Has Landed", now.

All this talk of blues-soul-country puts me in mind of a couple of old Don Nix solo LPs on Stax-Enterprise which I have hanging around, bought years ago and put aside because (as I recall) they were a bit bluesy for me at the time. I should give them another whirl.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 25 May 2006 06:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont know paddy mcaloon, but i think that she sounds like kitty wells, if kitty wells drank and fucked. in fact perhaps shes trying to hard to sound like kitty wells, im not so sure that her voice suits country (rock and roll maybe, blues maybe, rockabilly damn yeah, but not the country shes playing with)

who suppourted tim, and was kelly hogan involved? (god kelly hogan is an amazing singer, she redeems fox confessor brings the flood, and shes sexier too)

anthony easton, Thursday, 25 May 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Paddy McAloon = Prefab Sprout bloke.

I dunno who supported, I arrived late and grumpy. I have half a feeling KH may have been supporting, but I am not sure.

The harmony singer was called Rachel something and was tremendous.

I tend to agree that her voice isn't a country voice, but then the music isn't straightforward country music. Ultimately I think this stuff works when the songs are strong enough. I suppose that's blindingly obvious but that's never stopped me saying something before.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 25 May 2006 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

country-soul mystery: for something I had to do, I ended up talking to the songwriter P.F. Sloan, who did a record in Memphis? Muscle Shoals? in '68, called "Measure for Pleasure." you can't find it, he sent it to me. it's actually quite good, sort of Tony Joe White meets, I dunno, Tim Hardin? some really funky grooves. Sloan doesn't remember who played on it, and no one seems to know. god, this new interview-driven shtick has its drawbacks, but I did also get to talk to David Hood down in Muscle Shoals, he played bass on Aretha, Staple Singers, tons of others, and of course he's Patterson Hood's dad in Drive-by Truckers. anyway, I'm gonna send him a copy of this Sloan thing and see if he can figure out who's on it; apparently, and I find this real interesting as a fan of that Muscle Shoals soul, Hood has kept daybooks on all his studio/live dates since he started in 1966.

OK, back to Blaine which I gotta get done, and then onto Chip Taylor's new one, which I haven't cracked open yet but which seems to have a song about Townes Van Zandt on it, I wonder if Townes woulda done it thata way.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Rebel Meets Rebel has been growing on me quite a bit; lots of none-dare-call-it CUTE, POP GOES THE COUNTRETAL deetail, incl beats, tiny fiddle, keyb tinkle, Coe cool, "Arizona Highways" tequila lovesick-in-the-headlights, esp on headphones and exercycle. Bar band, yeah, but efficiently entertaining, thoug without Dime, might be better not to encore. But maybe DAC will get, say, his old acolyte Warren Haynes,later of Allmans, G. Mule, etc., to sit in; that could work. Oh yeah, *some* of the studio guys on P.Blues were (according to session notes from Shelby Singleton's sons; oops I gotta put that remix of the CharLoaf Coefile onto thefreelancementalists) were actually Dylan's Southern regulars, rehabilated by Coevict from the earcrime of Self-Portrait. Tim, do try to find online tracks from The Virginian and Furnace Room Lullaby, think you might like some of those. Catherine Irwin of Freakwater was supposed to be supporting on at least some legs of the Euro tour (most of her solo album, Cut Yourself A Switch, is really good, and,as with her Freakwater songs, kind of a better approach to what Neko does, via the early Dylan times Harry Smith Smithsonian Anthology approach to imagery)Yeah, Edd, think that's the P.F. Sloan album I saw in Creem long ago, but don't remember much about personnel. The review quoted a song, "P.F. Sloan," by Jimmy Webb! Apparently Webb's point was that Sloan kept writing seriously, even after his "Eve Of Destruction" and protest songs in general were left behind by trendwagons of the Sick Sixties. (P.F. didn't cover it, but what the hell why not!) Oh speaking of Delaney and Bonnie, I just remembered she was on Nicky Siano's comp, and in the review, I said that her " 'Crazy Bout My Baby' is crazy like a tambourine and a fox, just shaking in wait for that slowhand dobro." (That was def a lowercase slowhand; dunno if it was actually Eric Derek Slowhand God, but deft). Now I'm wondering if she ever tried to get into the dance club circuit, though perhaps considered her new Southern Rock employers might frown on Disco-necktions.But there might've been a few years or months to do it, when such thangs were still considered more funk-dance than Disco in the Yankee-urban-to-plastic-suburban sense.Anybody heard any more groovy dance tracks of hers?

don, Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right, PF Sloan should have covered "PF Sloan", that would have been a marvel. Like when Millie Jackson covered "Anyone That Don't Like Hank Williams" as "Anyone That Don't Like Millie Jackson", well done Millie.

I never quite understand why PFS is so wildly valued by some people, by the way. I like him but some people seem to think his work is head & shoulders above his contemporaries, I can't hear it.

One of the DBTs is David Hood's son?! Fantastic. I am also reeling from the idea of going and talking to the likes of D Hood, as if they're regular human beings. These are semi-mythic figures as far as I'm concerned.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 26 May 2006 08:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The harmony singer was called Rachel something and was tremendous.

That's Rachel Flotard, who does the spectacular harmonies on "The Needle Has Landed." My pick for Single That Isn't a Single (And Never Will Be) of 2006.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

So I finally got around this week to totally delving into the new Bottle Rockets album, *Zoysia,* and I just gotta say -- the more I listen, the more I'm convinced of how completely laughable it is that this is apparently the alt-country/*No Depression* crowd's idea of a "rocking band." Because I swear, this album is one pathetic excuse for rock. I don't hate all of it: the first and last cuts, for instance, "Better Than Broken" (the song I compared to Soul Asylum up above) and "Zoysia" do an okay slow-buildup-of-guitars into the folk jangle thing; the latter has some Neil Young and Crazy Horse in it. That one's about living in a small town out in the exurbs, how there are Democrat and Republican campaign signs battling each other on the lawns, not bad, or at least better than the similar left vs. right/crips vs. bloods theme of "Align Yourself" earlier, which has a spoken rap-inspired rhyme scheme significantly less convincingly funky than, I dunno, "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel. Only competition "Zoysia" has for best-track-on-album honors is probably "Mountain to Climb", which swipes its riff and semblance of a groove lock-stock-and-barrel from "My Sweet Lord" (which I guess George Harrison stole too.) But even that song seems lackadaisically and rotely written, and stuff like "Blind" and "Happy Anniversary" and "I Quit" (one of the most sober-sounding songs about being a drunkard I've ever heard) sounds even more blase', even more low-exertion, as if any more energy would be a sign of moral compromise. And they're one of the best their sub-genre has to offer, right? Their singer can halfway sing, I guess, and they've managed occasional OK songs before. Astounding.

xhuxk, Saturday, 27 May 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Also irritating: How, as far as I can tell, in both "Zoysia" and "Align Yourself," they mention everybody picking sides yet make a point of not picking a side themselves. Get it? They're middle-of-the-road and noncommital, just like their music -- too polite to actually engage in petty arguments of life like the angry masses do.

xhuxk, Saturday, 27 May 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"Happy Anniversary" builds up guitar-wise, too, I think. I just checked what Roy Kasten wrote about the album way upthread, and he obviously likes it way more than I do, calls it their best in years in fact (when their last one, with the song about how waiting in airports is so less fun after 9-11, definitely struck me as more personable and no *less* tough) but he also makes the Neil Young comparison. Thing is, Bottle Rockets seem either afraid or incapable of even hinting at Neil's sense of prettiness, especially in Brian Henneman's singing, which I generally find so self-serious as to be insufferable, even when the band's trying to be clever (which they're just not, not very much). Also, one song ("I Quit," maybe? Which Roy calls a sobriety song, which might explain why it sounds so sober, not that that makes it any better) has a gospel chorus ending that I find truly gratuitous and heavy-handed. Okay, I'll shut up. Really didn't expect to be so down on these guys. I guess they always just always get my hopes up, for some reason -- unlike even wimpier types like the Jayhawks and Son Volt etc., who never do.

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

And I dunno, does "Their singer can halfway sing" contradict "Brian Henneman's singing, which I generally find so self-serious as to be insufferable"? I guess I mean his singing has a certain gravity to it, which counts for something, but gravity is all it has. (Maybe.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ok heard 'lubbock or leave it' on ALTROCK radio (to be fair the more aaa leaning atl alt station) - surely not the next single right? or in any case not the crossover shopper like 'landslide'? probably just a southern thing - i can see dixie chix getting a significant chunk of their airplay outside of country radio but i'm thinking more ac than alt. did anyone ever figure out if that's oil or ink on natalie's hands in the vid?

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 28 May 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kinda hard to reply, xhuxk, with all the qualifications and maybes etc, but: "I Quit" isn't remotely any kind of "drunkard song." It's a sincere (too sincere, in my opinion) song about how great it feels to quit drinking (which Henneman wisely did a couple years ago; he was pretty much killing himself). I like the groove but I think the song is a failure, though I admire the effort. I totally disagree about "Happy Anniversary," which for me captures what it's like to see an Ex happy (and knowing you fucked it all up): the fool in the song hates himself (a real feeling) and hates her for inviting him to her party, but he's a fool, so he went anyway. I"ve been that fool--as have a hundred singers in a hundred country songs. The guitars and drum climax at the end sound somewhat harder and messier than most folk jangle I've heard. I also like "Align Yourself." I don't think the point of the song (or of "Zoysia" for that matter) has anything to do with staying middle of the road or not committing to anything. It's just about self-reliance the Emersonian kind--and how people often choose an ideology in order to avoid the hard and scary work of thinking for themselves. "When you don't know who you are you can remind yourself--if you align yourself." That sounds about right to me. Satirizing the seductions of ideology and an inability to consider the world outside one's own world view (whether it's suburbia or socialism or what have you) seems perceptive enough, if hardly novel (Dylan did it better, but that's no surprise). As a singer, Henneman isn't going to make anyone forget Sam Cooke--but he's got more emotional range than a lot of singers I could name. His unaffected Missouri twang can be angry, ironic, sweet, and, sure, serious, but I don't have a problem with that--and this is, largely, a serious record, I guess, but again, that's not a problem for me. On the Beach and Tonight's the Night, were largely serious, and those are the touchstones here. No the album isn't that good, but the guitar playing often is, and often very pretty in a Neil way--I think the interplay between John Horton and Henneman is frequently beautiful, especially on the climax of "Zoysia," which again, isn't about being non-committal, but about contradiction: the creeping conformity of suburbia (aka zoysia grass), but also how we're all in this mess together, especially in border states like Missouri. Blue state or Red state? Technically the latter, but by a fraction (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/). You can still get along with your neighbor; if you get hurt, that guy who voted for Bush will probably mow your lawn for you.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Casey Driessen, 3-D, prog-rock bluegrass but pretty danged good (although he's a Tim O'Brien guy and I find TOB kinda dull)

Grupo Exterminador and Los Tigres del Norte and Banda Pequenos Musical have all released good country albums this year, and Jenni Rivera has released two (that live disc kicks some butt, esp when she shifts into "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights").

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 28 May 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have called it "prog-grass," that's what I'll be calling it in my review (DIBS)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 28 May 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

20 Easy Rules for Writing about Country the Way the Pros Do It!

http://livinginstereo.com/?p=163

I've been guilty of a few of these.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

She's pretty funny, but it must be exhausting both making up and beating that strawman! She tips her hand by a) excusing all the "good ones" without saying who they are; b) playing the race card way the fuck before she should; c) making sure she is talking about "rock critics" who only like country people who hew to a rock aesthetic, as if country critics don't dismiss all other musics as a reflex action.

That having been said, I want to go to this forum she talks about to get some real examples.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"strawman" matt? - she's talking about at least half the people on this thread!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link

as if country critics don't dismiss all other musics as a reflex action

Her strawman vs. your strawman vs. mine.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the comments about demographics are true

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link

>Laud the country artists who display character traits most cherished in rock, and whose lyrical concerns hew closest to a rock sensibility.<

I wish I knew what she meant by a "rock sensibility," or why she thinks it's wrong to judge different genres by the one another's yardsticks. (Personally, I wish more people judged country by a disco sensibility, or a Latin sensibility, or a hip-hop sensibility, or a teen-pop sensibility. And visa-versa, for that matter.)

Entertaining list, though. I'm sure most writers are "guilty" of most of those transgressions, now and then, inasmuch as some/most of them actually qualify as transgressions. Maybe even a few writers are guilty of all of them. ("Strawman"-ness would be hard to avoid.)

Matt is right about the Grupo Exterminador CD (which I've mentioned on a couple other threads, somewhere). Haven't heard the live Jenni Rivera, though - Matt, is that on Fonovisa, or what label?

Roy, I should give your Bottle Rockets arguments more thought. They still strike me as a watery soft-rock band with vague melodies, and guitar raveups stucks at the ends of occasional songs to signify a wild-and-wooliness that the rest of the music (from the rhythm on up to the singing) gives no evidence to support. But yeah, I agree, the guitar climax of "Zoysia" has real beauty in it; just wish I didn't have to wait until the tail end of the album to get to it. And Hanneman's vocals never follow suit beauty-wise, and the melodies in general just aren't pretty or *ominous* enough for your *Tonight's The Night* comparison to make any sense to me. And if his writing is as nuanced as you say, his singing clearly doesn't grab me enough for me to pick up on the nuances. But I'm glad you have use for them.


xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, who does this?

>Declare that country music deals in “nostalgia” for a “past that never was.”<

She puts it in quotes, and says it twice, so she must have actually seen instances of it. Off hand, I'm not sure I have. (Though I've probably said myself that, say, certain country music doesn't sound much like earlier forms of country music it seems to be aiming for. Is that the same thing? And if so, how I am wrong? If not, what is she referring to? I'm guessing she means some critics claim country music frequently romanticizes America's past, right? Well, doesn't it? That's something American songs often do: Carry me back to my old Virginny home. But either way, who are these critics who dwell on that issue?) (Okay, maybe she's just saying this is a truism and platitude, taken for granted and better left unsaid. So do you just close your ears when Tim McGraw yearns for those wonderful days back when a coke was a coke and a ho was a ho and the wind was all that blew and when you said I'm down with that it meant you had the flu?)

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ive seen it in lots of revivews of alt country, and when ever an old timer comes out of retirement, it was a meme that came together with the american recordings, merles last album and a couple of other things.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Cline's point isn't that you can never criticize indivdiual instances of bogus nostalgia, but that aligning country music in general with nostalgia for a past that never was is sloppy, glib and wrong. I've seen more than a few rock critics do that.

In another piece on Living In Stereo, "The Children Of Detroit City" (http://livinginstereo.com/?page_id=40), David Cantwell (the site's author and good pal o' mine) writes of the alt-country class of the '90s:

"So it bugs the shit out of me when critics, who apparently don’t know this context, dismiss these bands with glib pronouncements. (Bugged but unsurprised: most critics, truth be told, just don’t much care for anything that sounds remotely like country; it’s not as hip as traditional/alternative guitar rock and it surely isn’t as exotic as R&B and rap.) Critic Will Hermes, excerpted in this year’s Village Voice Pazz & Jop poll, offers an example that could easily stand for the rest: '(This music is) purposefully vague, nostalgic for times that even it realizes probably never were, and tending toward depression.'"

Some of David's points are a little dated--I think rock critics have started to get over their country-phobias--but I still run in to Hermes-esque glibness more than I'd like to.

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xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Still, I'm not denying that it might be a meme or platitude or excuse to dislike country; it's probably all of the above. (Not sure to what extent that Hermes P&J comment deserves Cantwell's wrath, though; who was Will writing about? Voice site searches have been proving unfruitful, and I don't remember it off the top of my head.)

Also, David Cantwell strangely believes I'm a nihilist (just saying):

http://www.zoilus.com/documents//2006/000746.php

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"Heavy on the ass and light on the smart": Yeah, he's read me a lot.

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

And right, people don't like the Bottle Rockets or Jayhawks or Wilco because they "don’t much care for anything that sounds remotely like country." I get it, Dave, and I've heard this sort of leap of faith before -- Just like, if somebody has anything negative to say about skits or crack-dealer cliches or the length of hip-hop albums, they obviously "hate rap." What horseshit. (And I've spent time in Missouri too, by the way. And even more time in Michigan and Ohio.)

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

xhuxk, that's not at all what David's saying; it's just a false analogy.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

How is he not saying that?

Anyway I'm not trying to pick a fight with David, who I respect and I honestly have nothing personally against; I'm more amused than anything else, just like I always am by critics who think a critic having different tastes than them is evidence of a moral failing, rather than just different ears or nervous systems. I mean, it's kind of silly to think that everybody who loves country music should by definition also love alt-country; one of the reasons those acts don't get played on commercial country stations is that they don't sound the same as the acts who do--which suggests that the fans of the ones who do, some of whom I'd assumed have listened to plenty of Bobby Bare during their lives, might *define* country differently. (And guess what? Not everybody equates indie-rock with rock, either.)

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, does he really believe that Will Hermes doesn't like country music? If not, why use him as an example? Sorry, I don't get that.

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Of course it's silly to think that someone who loves The Dixie Chicks should love the Brox, but it seems like a stretch to say that's what David's implying.

Like I said, David's parenthetical about most rock critics not liking twang is kinda dated, and a distraction from his point. If critics like Hermes are dismissing the key alt-country bands of the mid '90s (and I can't find his original quote either, but that seems to be the context) because they are nostalgic for the past, then Hermes, whether or not he likes the sound of country, really doesn't understand their relationship to the present context. He's just regurgitating what a lot of rock critics have always said about country, especially in the context of its supposed inferiority to forward-looking, more inventive blah dee blah rock music.

Anyways, I thought David's nihilism comment was uncharacteristically flip and wrong.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm...maybe you're right. I'd have to see the original context of the Hermes quote. But to me, as is, from my perspective, and at least slightly knowing Will's tastes, "vague, nostalgic for times that even it realizes probably never were, and tending toward depression" sounds more like he's setting alt-country up against pop country, more than setting country up against rock. (Or maybe I'm just reading my own prejudices into it? That's possible.) And the quote also sounds more or less on-target, to be honest; I'd say that alt-country's folkie purity obsession, its implicit belief that country music somehow "went wrong" with the Eagles or *Urban Cowboy* or Mutt Lange or whoever, the timidness of its sound, its eschewing (in general: these are all generalities!) of influences it deems "not country enough" (like, say, a dance beat, when in many times in its history, country *has* served as dance music) *are* signs of a certain mis-directed nostalgia. (So, in a different way, is how alt-country so often seems to want to sound so melancholy and downcast, which I assume is what Will meant by "tending toward depression.") And right, Cantwell can go the old Dave Marsh route and say, nope, those familiar rootsy Americana sounds aren't nostlgia at all, but I'm not buying it, and not because I'm not familiar with the geographical or social context those bands are singing from, either. (My hip-hop analogy totally had Cantwell's you-just-don't-get-the-context argument in mind, by the way; 79-minute crack-rap CD apologists say that all the time: You've got to take crack-rappers on their *own terms*; you've got to know where they're coming from. And if you don't, you're not being fair to the music.)

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I think you could make that argument if Will was talking about purist sonic tendencies, but that's not in the quote. I know David's no fan of that kind of purist nonsense, so it's hard for me to imagine he'd take Will to task for pointing out something he'd agree with.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

And on the Marsh tip, he's one of those rock critics who has written stuff that inspired Cline's ire to begin with. From the blue Rolling Stone Record Guide: "[Hank] Williams never found a way out of the social dead end of country, but in his songs are the seeds of rock & roll, which in the hands of Elvis Presley, Holly and others became the exit for thousands."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

im giving cantrell a lot of slack these days cause he wrote one of the more tender, reflective and knowing peices on the sexual ambiguity of stand by yr man, a song that i keep going back to and writing an erasing, and writing about again. i think i have had a throw away reference to the song published at least twice, and i can t position it, and cantrell did, so yeah lots and lots of slack

anthony easton, Monday, 29 May 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Cantwell not Cantrell....Anyone else really annoyed by this Mason Jennings album? It's really pretty, but he makes spiritualist ego supression into supreme egotism like nobody's bizness.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry roy, havent heard it, and sorry about the name

can we also talk about the dixies and the country charts, including singles, radio play and video, its got some views, and i love the new video, so the fuck country, fuck hix view ofthe band, and of the text seem to be failing, interestingly enough...

but i might be wrong?

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Haven't seen the vid; too lazy to look on-line; maybe I will now. "Not Read to Make Nice" debuted real strong but the single and the album seem to have fallen off--and hard. I know that WIL, St. Louis's biggest country station, isn't playing the single at all. I heard it once back in March I think, but they've deleted it from rotation. The station said negative response was too high to spin. Maybe that's true, and maybe that's happened at other country stations, I don't know. But I do know that the Chicks played a stunning, sold-out show here shortly after "the incident" and nobody booed or burned records. They're coming back in August, but WIL isn't on-board, even though they have an "Accidents and Accusations Tour" (that's what they're calling it; do they really think this is a shrewd marketing strategy?) date at a Clear Channel venue here in August. Psyche.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Not Ready to Make Nice has to be read outside the text, and its a really fercious song, because its so constrained, there are three country stations here, one plays it semi regullary(sp), one doesnt play it much at all, and the other i dont listen to.

its getting played 3 times a day, and i think is charting on canadian cmt, but 3 times a day is actually fairly low. the video is better then the song.

(speaking of which, the world video by brad paisley, with the kids, does it creep any one out at all?)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Can you explain what you mean "read outside the text"? Do you just mean you have to hear it in its context, or in some other context?

Anyways, I just watched the video: five times in a row. Wow. If that isn't oil Natalie is smearing all over her bandmates it may as well be. I really liked the single to start with, but seeing the visual climax--an explosion of inky oil like a Gulf War nightmare revisited--with the sonic climax and the "write me a letter saying I better shut up and sing or my life will be over" verse gave me freakin chills. Plus the chalkboard message: "To talk without thinking is to shoot without aiming," a not so veiled dig at the Veep.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 29 May 2006 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Opening chords of that Dixie Chicks joint (like, the first four or five seconds) do indeed recall (early '90s) Metallica, just like Pareles said in the Times a week or two ago. The other sort of goth part, I guess, is when the music kicks into higher gear with the fiddle I mean violin part toward the end. The video reminds me of, uh, Tool. Or Metallica. Except there's no old guy walking around in the dark and no creepy gumby characters rolling around in a cave. The oil reminds me of *Carrie.* Politically poignant, sure; ditto the words on the chalkboard, though I don't know the extent to which I'd have picked up on them if smart people here hadn't already clued me in. Not sure how much I like the song. Sounds like '90s alt-rock with a better singer; video *looks* like '90s alt-rock with a better singer. I sort of wish it sounded even more goth. At least right now; maybe if I hear it several more times, I'll learn to love it.

xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

meaning that the song isnt about what is being sung, but about history that we have to know about (ie its about toby keith not some anon lover)

anthony easton, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I just did a reported piece on the Dixie Chicks where I interviewed a programmer for a country station in northwest Arkansas. He essentially said that the Chicks wouldn't be back on his station until there was demand for them, of which he claims there isn't at the moment. But I also got the sense that he felt that Maines went out of her way to insult country radio in general.

That said, the album works for me and not because of the politics or even the anger but just because it seems to have unleashed Maines. She sounds terrific, supernatural really. Who else sings like this?

werner T., Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I think she made that leap on their last album, actually; what was "Landslide" but a coming-out party for Natalie's white-witchery?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Home had a brooding on the past present future, overall (rise of the term "Homeland," etc.; "Travelin' Soldier" the only war song per se, but in retrospect was an early example of the New Unease I tagged when ol rah-rah Darryl "Have You Forgotten?" Worley, of all people, came out with a very autumnal scoping of die Homeland, recorded even before the election and general morning-after Red State blues so soon audible in so many country albums). Just as Natalie said what a lot of country listeners basically came to agree with, re distrust-to-disgust with Bush, but like certain Southern politicans were challenged for having been prematurely Anti-Nixon...And the Time piece, which xpost George mentioned in passing ("In The Line Of Fire" by Josh Tyrangal) is pretty good, and speculates about the family feud (and, I'd say, identity crisis: "If you/if I say this about our Texas President, then who the fuck are you/am I????" Not really a rhetorical question, though many wish it were.) An ongoing thing in country; for inst, in Malone's Country Music USA (1968), the controversy over The Nashville Sound, and is Eddy Arnold a Judas goat/traitor, or is he only reflecting/the voice of the changes of the audience itself? This was a big deal! xpost I described my first viewing of the Chicks vid (and yeah George, the press is jumping on this shit, but what else on there is gonna possibly be exciting enough to sell some mags or some ads, ascigar-chomping editors might agree?)(xpost my quote of Sasha's early New Yorker review) Posted a reply to Cheryl on Livingstereo; Your Comments Awaiting Moderation.

don, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

But I also got the sense that he felt that Maines went out of her way to insult country radio in general.

This'd be like Kool Moe Dee complaining that LL Cool J went out of his way to insult him.

Think the song lyrics are way too restrained (was hoping Natalie would sing "How do ya like me now, punk"); also that they don't engage the real issue, which isn't that the Dixies got a death threat (the poor things) but that they got blackballed, and if it happened to them it could happen to anyone.

But the death threat itself - shut up and sing or your life will be over - contains ambivalence. The guy wants her to sing, after all. And I wonder how much of the Dixie Chicks' popularity owes something to this basic ambivalence. I really don't know the country audience, which is hardly a monolith anyway, but I'd guess that some of the Dixies' appeal was that they came across as fresh and modern and not tied to the more pious and "traditional" tendencies in country; this could be attractive even (or especially) to someone who basically did feel himself aligned on the conservative side. The Dixies would represent potential freedom; but then when the Dixies act on this freedom, this same fan might be ready to throw them over (because he envies their freedom and is ready for them to go so far that he'll have to reject them). (But I'm not saying that this would be someone's main reason for liking the Dixies, if indeed it was ever anyone's partial reason.) I'd expect that some of you would have a better sense of the mainstream country audience than I do.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember reading that Natalie Maines had been a Metallica fan back in middle school.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I really don't buy the "It's about Toby Keith" thing. I also don't buy that the video is "about" the war, really; it makes some muddled visual allusions to it, but videos do that all the time, and if anything, this artsy video style (reminds me of supposedly great but actually irritating old '90s ones by Pearl Jam and R.E.M. as well) usually tends to strike me as beating around the bush without actually coming out and naming the bush (or Bush), and I'm not sure what good that does. (Not that the video or song would necessarily be *better* if Bush or Toby or the war was named; I never much liked those old Rage Against the Machine ones that PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE AND BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH IT, either. I'm just saying I wonder if the video as brave as people are claiming, beyond merely not looking like a country video anymore. But Nickel Creek made an alt-rock-ish video last year too,right? Hell, Pam Tillis used to make R.E.M. videos.) Both the lyrics and the imagery in the video are extremely vague, when you get down to it -- more vague than they could be, anyway. So neither strike me as as gutsy as they're being given credit for, and I'm not convinced (not yet at least) that this is Natalie at her most unhinged, either. Is her delivery really such a huge leap? She's never actually been a wallflower, you know (at least not since *Wide Open Spaces,* when I started paying attention.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

(I still haven't heard the album. Am considering buying it, but that usually means I'll procrastinate for a while first. Hell, I didn't get around to buying the Akon CD til the month before last.) (If somebody has publicist contact info, emailing it to me'd be swell.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:59 (eighteen years ago) link

which isn't that the Dixies got a death threat (the poor things) but that they got blackballed

I think "shut up and sing or your life will be over" also applies to being blacklisted, and, surely the whole song does too. You don't have to read very far outside the text to get that it's also about not kissing and making up with country radio--at least not ready yet.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I also don't get how this is remotely vague:

I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’
It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they’d write me a letter
Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be over

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, one line, Roy.

xp: Or, to put it another way, if you're going to take the autobiographical angle, which everybody seems to be doing, probably because it's sort of inevitable at this point (though, I swear, it won't be inevitable to somebody seeing or hearing the song 10 or 20 years from now), does the song or video tell us anything about the Dixie Chicks or Natalie that we didn't already know? I'm skeptical that is shocks people's systems; to me, it's more or less what I would've expected. The video style tells the Triple A audience (many of whom probably had Dixie Chicks CDs on their shelves anyway) "It's okay to like us now, we're not hicks." Okay, okay, we get it already.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago) link

But I mean, yeah, I guess Roy has a point, and maybe that verse will kick in as I hear the song more -- it IS less vague if you know the backstory, or at least the last couple lines of it are. But so far, for me anyway, it gets lost in the song, and the video's muddle.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link

And I guess I should point out that my opinions expressed here (even more than usual) are *works in progress.* I WANT to love what the Dixie Chicks are doing. I'm a fan. But maybe I'm asking for more than I'll ever get (and not even being clear about what I'm asking for, admittedly) and hence setting myself up to be disappointed. As of now, I'd say the song is LESS direct than the Dixie Chicks' norm. I'm just not sure I'm right, or can put my finger on why I think so.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I should note that I *always* have a tendency to distrust songs where people say "you have to know the backstory to get it." (Which is right up in my book there with publicists telling me "the album won't seem so lame when you see the band live.") When the song will kick in for me, if it does, is when I *separate* it from the backstory. But I'm still not saying I was hoping that I was hoping Natalie'd come up with a "Positively Fourth Street." Or maybe I was (and maybe this is one, and I just haven't figured that out yet).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont think its as hard or as obvious as the last one, but i dont think its pulling punches either, i think that the shut up and sing is very explicit, not only dealing with the maines mess, but in the sense of a general belief that musicians are organ monkies and the audience is the grinder--its a fuck you not to country radio (alot of which in the south banned them, and some of which hired a steam roller, like it was porn or made a bonfire of the vanities as a stunt) but as a fuck you to the audience who expects somgs that are apolitical, that are about something.

travelling soilder is about the gulf, but its coded in veitnam, the video for this one, with oil making white dresses and clean water filthy beyond repair, is uncoded, it reminds me of macbeth, you know out out damn spot...

it is a refutation of the violence done to them, the whole album is a refutation of the violence done to them, and also as their status as thinking femminists, like loretta ca the pill or rated x (though its less polemic even then those two songs)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, people are still arguing over what/who Dylan is singing about in Positively 4th St. and that's hardly a bad thing. I mean I'm glad the song isn't any more direct than it is, and I think it's plenty direct. OK, it's not "Goodbye Earl," but still...And the backstory isn't a backstory at all. It was gigantic front page news.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I swear I never knew there was a death threat until last week, when I read Pareles's Times profile. If that part of the story had been front page news, I hadn't noticed. But then I tend not to devour news about celebrities, which might well make me a weirdo, somehow. (Also, isn't "Positively Fourth Street" about some guy at *Sing Out!*? I had no idea there was still disagreement about that. My point I guess, or part of it, is that the song sounded ferocious to me long before I knew it had anything specific to do with Dylan's career.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

'cover of time magazine' is a bit too far outside the rockcrit tailchase echo chamber for frank and xhuxkx maybe. one thing i'm surprised somewhat by considering they knew (obv) about country radio resistance ('not ready to make up' is clearly a 'you can't fire me/i quit' preemptive - rimshot - move), and that this was their rock move (after their last album decried rock moves) to the extent that they 'do you see' hired rick rubin and the early word that it had an 'eagles feel' is that the album feels the least crossover potential of any of them, probably a result of the biggest 'rock move' on it - they write their own songs (the worst rock move of all!), ergo the hooks ain't as sharp (ie. yeah there's no 'goodbye earl' which delivers it's punch harder with more humour - duh - but more venom too than). in any case number one album in the country, this week at least.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, i saw the Time cover, duh. It was probably the thinnest issue of Time i've ever seen in my life -- how come nobody's talked about that? Didn't read the article, though; waiting for it to hit the dentist's or allergist's office, like I always do with newsmagazines.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the death threat was mentioned in the ew article, and i think a ny times story, and had extensive coverage in rednex/bluenex

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I swear I never knew there was a death threat until last week

It was on 60 Minutes. It was in the LA Times. It was in the NY Times. It was in TIME. Enough, already. They cannily used it as part of their promotional operation and it wound up being overdone, as usual. You could use Lex-Nex and I'm betting you'd find it in every feature on them in the western press.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

there were several actually, why is this kind of violent silencing not important, shouldnt it be discussed all over the place?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Roy K: ""Not Read to Make Nice" debuted real strong but the single and the album seem to have fallen off--and hard."

.....

AP: "Taking The Long Way debuts at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 best-selling albums chart this week, with first week's sales of 525,829."

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I meant on radio, not so psychic friend.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

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What kind of silencing? The Dixie Chicks have no trouble getting sympathetic publicity. It's been simple for them to get whatever they'd like to say into the press. Unfortunately, whether on purpose by them or by accident due to the professional practice of the media, it's deadening.

Being menaced or threatened for speaking your mind in public or being thought of as unpatriotic isn't particularly novel or unique, even for celebrities.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Being menaced or threatened for speaking your mind in public or being thought of as unpatriotic isn't particularly novel or unique, even for celebrities.

Yeah, but what other artists (besides maybe Linda Ronstadt) have been as publicly jeered, insulted and threatened as the Dixie Chicks? Just because they have "sympathetic publicity" in the Times and The New Yorker doesn't mean those threats were any less serious or sad.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

they aint getting sympathy from the usual sources---death threats, threats of ciolence, cancelling tours, not playing records, putting the records in fires and under steam rollers, prominent members (mostly men) of the community telling the chix that they are no longer country (though not always, and its still present--look at the joke reba made at the acm)

the only reason why the chix are pitching this as A/A or whatever is that they are exiled by the political elite in nashville.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

chix have had their toe in the aaa pool for a long time now anthony, this probably sealed it. i think there may have been potential for reconciliation there if they'd come back with undeniable hooks and straight nashville, a big unbeatable ballad instead of spending alot of the past few years trashing country radio and audiences (i know someone who 'stood by' the chix, saw them in greenville after the brouhaha (? i think - i knew she went to south carolina) and then got offended and wrote them off well after the fact over remarks natalie made re: the country audience. again i think it was preemptive 'you can't fire me, i quit' move, but burning bridges like that erases some opportunities. and again - does anyone know the second single? the first had to arguably address 'the incident' (it's basically their eminem move) but what's next determines their future and their future with country.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

again i think it was preemptive 'you can't fire me, i quit' move, but burning bridges like that erases some opportunities.

As well as reinforcing a "country fans=idiot rednecks" stereotype.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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The Beatles after John Lennon said the Jesus thing.

I guess I'm missing what it takes to work up the empathetic sympathy after the press blitz. For better or worse, it's been converted into a sales pitch.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah removing the politix (which is removing ALOT admittedly) the chix imbroglio smacks of some other crossover blowbacks wherein act who came up thru country has some pop success, wants more and is perceived to decide they don't need country or want country (this happened to shania with the added bonus there that people always griped about her pop loyalties from the getgo)(the same way many people suddenly started mentioning alot how natalie was always a rock fan anyways)(faith got a little of this but overcame it by 1) running back to country when the pop move didn't pay off completely and 2) being alot closer to country royalty status than natalie or shania)(note also toby keith's always making a big deal about how he's a huge selling country artist with no crossover or pop loyalties), the politix obv was the primary factor but an element of 'they've gotten too big for their britches/gone hollywood' played a part too i think.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

'And much of the backstage and post-event party buzz had to do with some barbs exchanged in recent days between ACMs host Reba McEntire and the Dixie Chicks. The latter group wasn't anywhere within a 500-mile radius of the Las Vegas kudocast, of course, being caught up in a mutual estrangement from the country industry. But Chicks fiddler Martie Maguire was quoted in this week's Time cover story as saying: ''I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do.'' It's one thing to take on contentious Toby, but to go after country royalty (and big TV star) Reba — and her fans? McEntire got a dig back during the show, alluding to the fact that she'd taken the year off from hosting last year in saying, ''I don't know why I was so nervous about hosting this show this year. If the Dixie Chicks can sing with their [foot] in their mouths, surely I can host this sucker.'' The applause among the fan-dominated audience at the MGM Grand Garden arena was sustained and massive.'

What a sneer by Martie. Limit what you can do? At the height of Garthmania, Mr. Brooks dropped 'We Shall Be Free' on his Wal-Mart shopping fanbase. When was the last time a hugely successful artist openly dismissed the majority of their fans as beneath them and embarrassingly uncool? Martie's limit comments sound more like when an indie rocker says 'We would never want to get too big'. They probably really do but know they wouldn't sell anyway even if they tried. Dixie Chicks already have what everyone strives for but seem especially unappreciative of success. Their extreme audience makeover seems to be working. Check this out:

[Amazon] Customers who bought {Taking The Long Way] also bought
Home ~ Dixie Chicks
We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions ~ Bruce Springsteen
All the Roadrunning ~ Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris
Living With War ~ Neil Young
Surprise ~ Paul Simon
Goodbye Alice in Wonderland ~ Jewel
Wide Open Spaces ~ Dixie Chicks
Stand Still, Look Pretty ~ The Wreckers

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm just happy gary louris is getting paid!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

>yeah removing the politix (which is removing ALOT admittedly) the chix imbroglio smacks of some other crossover blowbacks wherein act who came up thru country has some pop success, <

Well, one obvious precedent is k.d. lang, isn't it? Didn't country stations boycott her since she wasn't friendly enough withe beef-farming industry (she had beef with big beef!), or is that only a myth? and i'm not sure about lyle lovett, mary-chapin carpenter, or (maybe even politix-wise) steve earle, all of whom had country hits in the late '80s/early '90s i believe. obviously country radio is always redefining itself; were any of them blackballed, per se? (and for that matter, how often does garth, even, get on country radio these days? hell, maybe even billy ray cyrus is worth a mention...)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

supposedly some country stations did boycott her during her beef beef but to be honest how would you tell? it'd be like 'hip-hop stations boycott stephin merritt' - what else is new? garth you still hear on radio some, "the dance" will never ever ever go away (ppl die all the time) but i heard his "callin baton rouge" cover a while back, always liked that. and "friends in low places" is like "stairway" or something by this point obv. yknow i never heard of faith or tim catching even one ounce of flack over their (much more hitting really) blasting of bush a little while back and little e's comments certainly didn't hurt him, so while i think at one point it was definitely the politix at this point it's become the other stuff and how poorly they've handled it. still sympathize with them alot obv.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Bold beginnings
Advocate, The
Nov 12, 2002 by Dan Mathews
k.d. lang's journey to coming out as a lesbian actually began in June 1990, when she came out as a vegetarian in a "Meat Stinks' TV spot produced by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "If you knew how meat was made, you'd lose your lunch," lang said in the ad, in which she hugs a cow named Lulu. "I know--I'm from cattle country, and that's why I became a vegetarian."

News of the campaign prompted country radio to ban lang's records, and pro-veg activists countered with protests outside beef-belt radio stations and pro-lang pleas by veggie rockers Paul McCartney and Chrissie Hynde. To the amazement of Warner Bros. Records, lang's album sales skyrocketed--the flap had brought her music to the attention of a broader crowd.

Events got out of hand, however, when meat extremists defaced a sign outside Consort, Canada, welcoming visitors to the HOMETOWN OF K.D. LANG by scrawling "Eat beef, dyke" and making threats against lang's mother. That surreal summer inspired k.d. to "move on" from country music, recording Ingenue and scoring her biggest hit, "Constant Craving."

Without the confines of the country market, lang was also able to come out as gay. Country music, she told Rolling Stone in 1992, "didn't want to accept my viewpoints: vegetarianism, lesbianism, things that don't suit the stereotypical role of the female.... Looking back, it was perfect. I had success, like the Grammy, and yet never had airplay, so you had this huge contradiction--which I thrive on."

As much as I hate the "country fan=bigoted redneck" stereotype, a lot of the big country stations don't really help themselves out much with the stunts they pull.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

>supposedly some country stations did boycott her during her beef beef but to be honest how would you tell? it'd be like 'hip-hop stations boycott stephin merritt' <

was it?? i thought she actually had country hits. (i'm no fan, have never liked her much, but i was definitely under that impression.)

AMG says she did okay on the country *charts*; not sure if said charts were more aligned with radio in the pre-soundscan age or not:

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:8uq6g40ttvoz~T5

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

so while i think at one point it was definitely the politix at this point it's become the other stuff and how poorly they've handled it

Someone--it might have been Kelefa Sanneh--pointed out that part of the problem with Natalie's statment was that it could be misconstrued as being insulting to Texas, which, it was thought, was much more grievous an insult.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

when i was in jr high and thru high school every girl i knew who listened to country owned shadowland (and revered it) so i might be underestimating how big k.d. lang really was on country radio at the time.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Yas, Kelefah's finally catching up with meee, since I made the same point( about Maines's "treasonous" remarks about Texas Itself), a couple years ago, in "That Home Across The Road," re country transgressors archived in http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com Which also relates to the identity crisis chronic/recurring in country, and the family feud the Time piece speculates about. The song and the video are not ready to make nice, just like the title says; not so vague. A big fat Fuck Yall If You Don't Like It, and that's as country as Toby Keith, and it's not "idiot rednecks" that she says are "limiting," it's the willfully/not-fighting-the-conditioned-reflex kneejerks ("My Mama raised me to think like that!" Well Hoss, you do a lot of *other* thangs your Mama dint allow; how bout includin' some honest reflection/observation) There have been other Music Row pros who have spoken out against the war, all along, but the Chicks were noticed and picked because they were so prominent. Celebreties are the true strawmen, ever since the war, especially: safe to pick on the rich pictureheads, especially if they're female (Streisand, yeah, Hillary, and Coulter for the liberals) duhhhhhhh. (Their current #1's on Billboard's Country and transgenre Top 200 are based on sales, not airplay.)Didn't realize that Livinginstereo was Cantwell's site; anyway, think he's sidetracked by specifics of my example, so I've tried to address those, but ain't gonna feud. Gotta piece about Chatham County Line, a bluegrass band that's actually a good song band, in http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/content?oid=oid%3A40857

don, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Natalie and the wagon train pulling into Larry King live now. Uncle Larry pitching softballs, "Not Ready to Make Nice" playing at every commercial break. The same shtick. Uncle Larry announces album at number one in Billboard. The two not-Natalies professing wide-eyed surprise that after "the incident" they found they still lived in a country where people were going to hate on them for what Natalie said. The surprise, the utter surprise of the hatred. Boy, those e-mails called us sluts, said one of them. The tour was sold out.

That's their script and they're sticking to it.

Here's their first hit, says Uncle Larry. "Wide o-pen spaces...." Commercial.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

(Liz Taylor ready to kick Larry's ass last night, for thinking she was peddling "coss-tooom!?" jewelry, but fightin' got 'em flirtin')But yeah George, a ton 'o' hype, and, like Blunt, I'm wondering what they'll do for an encore, singles-wise (prob something quiet, if ominous, for somewhut dramatic contrast)

don, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I was hated upon fluently via e-mail for "Weapon of the Week" and another accidentally convenient prominent thing I did and I'm a nobody. After the first 50 or so in a few minutes the novelty wears off and then you store them. They come in handy when you want to tell a funny story and invoke Mencken. Me so stupid, I couldn't think of how to parlay it into anything.

"It's all about not tolerating abuse," said Natalie to Uncle Larry. Go Natalie, you were born middle finger first. Cue song, and commercial.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Now they're taking calls. Some woman wanted to know about the Reba tiff. One of the not-Natalies says it was personally hurtful, or something like that.

Someone called in from Hattiesburg to say she is still a fan. Going to commercial again, gut showcase for album, better than a listening station almost.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"You had the courage to speak the truth," says one caller from Colorado. Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling about half or a third or something of the country is behind you? Nice feelings all around.

But then -- slight glitch like Queeg on the stand at the climax of the Caine mutiny, the steel bearings come out of the pocket -- one of the not-Natalies still can't get over being called a slut.

Now there's a caller insisting Donald Rumsfeld is a coward and what do Natalie and not-Natalies think of him. Sidestep. "We have a story and we're sticking to it," says one of them. How true. Everybody laughs.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Now Natalie says the Chicks will play in Iraq for the sojers if someone asks them to.

A caller from Canada calls in to thank the Chicks on behalf of ... Canada!

Song and commercial. Sheesh, these breaks are coming somewhat less than five minutes apart!

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"In the la--a-a-a-a-nd of the free and the h-o-o-m-e of - the - brayyyyve" -- that was the Chicks at the Super Bowl three years ago or something. Some small talk. The tour is coming. Great product placement. Over to Anderson.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the dixie chix are interesting, because it lets us figure out what happens at the edges of country, esp. in relation to gender or race--its why cowboy troy didnt sell, why big and rich are mainstreaming, why reba felt like she could be nasty...

country has always been parochial, and always had a colony outside--we know whats happening in nashville, but whos outside is fascinatingly unstable right now

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You lost me there, Anthony. What do the Dixie Chicks have to do with race again? (And how is country music outside Nashville--or inside Nasvhille, for that matter--any less stable than it's ever been?) (Also, I'd say there are plenty of reasons Cowboy Troy didn't sell, and race wouldn't necessarily be on the top of the list. And I say that as somebody who actually thought his album was kind of fun, and somebody who is somewhat obsessed by country music made by black people, as this thread out to make abundantly clear. If anything, Cowboy Troy's race probably helped him more than it hurt him. How many white rappers have received CMT airplay at all? I don't think Kid Rock counts, since his country hits haven't had any rap in them.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"OUGHT to make abundantly clear." Jeez.

And I mistype "Nashville" almost as much as I mistype "Christgau." (I just mistyped both words again JUST NOW, then corrected them.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

im saying that the gender of the dixie chicks have something similar to the race of cowboy true

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the cowboy troy sold pretty well i thought, i remember it was consistently on 'the chart' at the wal-mart though i didn't hear it on the radio much, esp in comparison to sales. radio has to play to a more casual crowd though. as for white rappers on cmt didn't bocephus or someone remake 'amos moses' a lil while back? and pretty sure i've seen charlie daniels on there. "the race of cowboy true" sounds like a kenny rogers comeback hit maybe, one when he's not in 'lionel' mode like that kid playing little league one a few years back.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

This is my first time trying to contribute to this thing, so I don't know if it'll work. Anyway, somebody asked what the Chicks' second single is. It's "Everybody Knows," currently getting a lot of airplay here on KZLA in L.A. and almost nowhere else. It is already sliding down the Billboard country chart, somewhere in the 50s, after peaking a week or two ago. If they had come out with that first, instead of daring country radio to play the F-you song, it'd likely be a different story.

Chris Willman, Thursday, 1 June 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

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I wish the Dixie Chicks had attacked the country audience and the industry more - more vehemently, more specifically, more articulately - and I could list a whole bunch of things I wish they'd said, but big deal, it wouldn't surprise you what I have to say on the subject. But I asked a question upthread that's a lot more interesting to me, because I don't know the answer and some of you might have a better feel for it than I do. The question is this:

Was part of the Chicks' broad appeal from the get-go - I mean, not from the get-go get-go, but from when they sacked Laura in favor of Natalie and went major label - that they didn't quite seem country, that they represented something more edgy and glamorous? And might not a mainstream country fan be excited by this difference and simultaneously wary of their going too far? So what excites the fan is also what primes the fan to turn on the Chicks; the fan is looking for and expecting the Chicks to eventually just be too different, so the fan is waiting for the Chicks to reveal themselves as "not one of us."

Is there anything to this?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

this artsy video style (reminds me of supposedly great but actually irritating old '90s ones by Pearl Jam and R.E.M. as well

The "Not Ready To Make Nice" video owes a lot to the "Losing My Religion" video, I think.

John Hunter, Thursday, 1 June 2006 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

'that they didn't quite seem country [I would think they were seen as MORE 'pure country' than a lot of 1998 acts, e.g., Shania], that they represented something more edgy and glamorous [visually appealing, absolutely, but not threateningly glamorous; spunky maybe, but not a threat], no? And might not a mainstream country fan be excited by this difference and simultaneously wary of their going too far [Going too far in what way? Crossing over musically? I think the fan is long used to those ambitions from female superstars. I really doubt there was much wariness of any kind.] So what excites the fan is also what primes the fan to turn on the Chicks; the fan is looking for and expecting the Chicks to eventually just be too different, so the fan is waiting for the Chicks to reveal themselves as "not one of us." [I think Natalie has always said she was not a big country fan growing up and no one seemed to care. If you mean not one of us politically or patriotically, I don't think that was foreseen.]

Sure they had an image makeover, but I think the broad appeal from from the Natalie get go is Natalie's voice. She just has an appealing voice. I really don't see any clues from the material of mass success OR future controversy although maybe a Bonnie Raitt cover says something. Bonnie is one of the queens of the nebulous audience they now seem to covet. I think turning on them is entirely from what Natalie said and they continue to say and not from their music. With sexism not helping of course. Martie only wants people who 'get it'. What was there to get? Anyone could get their music and they obviously did. And now no one can get their new video and I bet that makes them happy because they obviously want to be taken seriously. I'm happy to take them seriously as people but if they get too serious in their art that might not be such a good thing.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 1 June 2006 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there anything to this?

Not anymore or at least right now. Larry King/The Chicks were mind-numbing. If you were thinking of buying the CD, I certainly didn't have to after sitting through an hour of them. Wrote up what I scribbled on here while watching, added some more jokes and threw it on the blog.

I'm can't take them seriously since they're so obviously executing a script. Everytime I hear their music, the current shtick is superimposed on it.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

But George, it seems like you're blaming the Chicks entirely, as though Natalie's Bush dig was a calculated PR move to hit up the AA audience and ditch Country radio. Maybe I'm misreading you, but if the Chick have really lost a significant country audience--which I can't say I've necessarily seen evidence for--it's as much the response of country radio and Toby Keith as it is any "script" they're "executing."

max (maxreax), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I gotta go get the latest N-ville Scene, because there are some upset folks writing letters there about Michael McCall's Dixie Chix piece. I'll post that in a few. For me, the Chix were always all about being "real musicians," like when you saw them they were playing the banjo and so forth, and they seemed sort of cooly inbetween "amateur" i.e. "they're just chicks but they actually play!!" and professional (a certain kind of sexiness, glamour, as is pointed out above, not that I actually find them sexy too much myself, but I'm sure many do). I don't see that they have all that much to do with "race," in fact I don't really see how much Nashville itself, as a concept and as a city, has to do with it.

Has anyone checked sales figures for the new Chix? How much of their audience have they lost, I wonder, and shit, seems like they might've gained some? And yeah, they often sound like they're reading off a script, they all do it here.

So, came away from Blaine Larsen's new "Rockin' You Tonight" feeling some of the fun had been sucked out of the enterprise. Boy, I had forgotten just how spare, humorous and subtly subversive that first record of his was. Because it was a series of demos (one of them is actually Larsen in his barn overdubbing himself), it just sounds fresher than the new one. Which interconnects, thematically, with the first one, in interesting ways. But the opener, the hit "I Don't Know What She Said," is far less interesting than "Off to Join"'s "I've Been in Mexico" (where the point of the song is that he's taken a vacation down there, has come back to work relaxed, and therefore isn't a stressed-out mess like his boss--therefore, this song works into his theme of "becoming a man" while playing off his young-man's slight, slight, sane rebellion).

And the same pretty much goes for the whole thing. "I'm in Love with a Married Woman" and "Spoken Like a Man" work as a pairing on marriage, what it means to be a "real man" and be in a good marriage; but "I'm in Love" is a lame-ass joke. "Spoken" is far better; what Blaine is good at is playing it cool, letting his fucking great voice carry it, as on this tale of a guy who refuses to discuss his fucking with the other guys, admires the good-lookin' Coyote wannabe at the bar but who, like the young Vito Corleone in "Godfather 2," only has eyes for his wife. Very good song.

"Someone Is Me" is one of those let's-pick-up-our-trash and tip-waitresses-well songs that substitue individual action for political action, right? Blaine is looked at funny when he prays at a diner on some mythical Main Street, and sees weeds choking the ol' baseball field. So, someone is me, let's go cut weeds and make the world better. I mean, I pick up trash and I tip good, but you need an army of similar-minded people to turn the world around. This kind of thing wastes his talent.

"Lips of a Bottle" is really good, though, a 6/8 ballad that uses those cool false endings, kinda greasy or at least stained, a classic country song. And a duet with Gretchen, and shit, Blaine should become like one of those eternal duet guys, get some Melba Montgomery-soundalike, or do like George and just marry Gretchen Wilson or something.

"I Don't Wanna Work That Hard" is analagous to the first record's "Yessireebob," about playing it cool and wanting to transcend class by getting a job that doesn't require too much ass-kissing, one that (as in "Yessiree") might involve a little towel-holding for a half-naked girl on the Cozumel beach. These are interesting songs that get at class in real interesting ways. And careerism, and how to become a "man" if you will...in short, this guy, to my ears, really has talent and could be a major figure, because he's got a fantastic voice with real shadings and nuance, but this standard-issue Nashville songwriting only halfway gets him there.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Natalie Maines was sexy when she weighed more. Now that she's a hot and edgy woman who dresses in black, eh.

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I'm assuming, too, that Cowboy Troy's co-hosting of the amateur pro country singer talent search didn't help him saleswise. I didn't watch all of it but I never heard them play his music. They did play
Big & Rich's and the commercial featuring "Coming To Your City" ran all the time.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"How is oountry less stable" I see/hear (music, online, call-ins to radio shows) fans arguing with themselves, basically, re How Dare You (I) say anything so negative, no matter how fucked up (War, Katrina, affordable health care, etc etc)True,the identity crisis/comflict is ongoing, as I mentioned before, but at the moment, and for the past couple of years, especially. (Despite the fact that, as Frank suspects, I did hear some folks say that Chicks had long been a joke in Nashville before Natalie, and they were bound to fuck up again, to prove they were girlybrained outsiders, though this of course isn't nec a matter of just waiting for them to Go Too Far, but xpost the celebrity strawman thing, that certainly applies to culture police of country, as elsewhere) "Anybody seen current Chicks sales figures" Today, a Reuters report by Dean Goodman ("Dixie Chicks Bush-whacked at record stores) says, yes, they're "No. 1 on the U.S. charts Wednesday with their first studio album since then, but sales were sharply lower. Taking The Long Way sold 525,000 copies in the week ended May 28, according to tracking firm Nielsen SoundScan. The figure ranks as one of the biggest openings of the year, and exceeds industry expectations by more than 100,000 copies. But it plaed against the 780,000 copies that their last studio releasse, Home, sold during its first week in August 2002. It spent three weeks at No. 1, and has sold 5.8 copies to date. In April another country trio, Rascal Flatts, opened at No. 1 with 722,000 copies of its new album. The lower sales for the new Dixie Chicks album were not unexpected (but remember, he said they were expected to sell 100,000 less than they have)...new single has stalled at No. 36 on Billboard's Hot Country chart."(surprised got that far) So, a *soft* No.1. (hey xxhuxx, I sent you their publicist addy last night; mebbe our promos'll turn up,now that the album's out)Meanwhile, nothing I'd read about Oakley Hall really gave me the impression I got from listening:"country rock," okay, but not the usual execution: right away, the "Mr. Soul" guitar bursts extended into good electrified fence, all along the range, uphill and down (good dynamics); with fe vocals becoming more prominent, then she sings lead, with (also) pysch-associated organ; "House Carpenter," like Fairport, a bit, except just when I expected the guitars to come back(cued by "These hills are hellfire"), like with a buckskin raga? No BAM it's the drums BAM at the door

don, Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand the necessity of sympathy for an act that debuts at #1 and only sells over half a million records in a week. Hey, maybe Natalie can right a tour column for the Nation or the Huffington Post.

Leanne Kingwell, on the other hand, sent me mail that indicates her ballad "More" was number 7 on the US college chart.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

shit, they've sold a lotta records, seems like to me. the chix.

so, in the N-ville Scene this week, letters, jeff pitcher writes that michael mccall shares a sentiment with one of those right-wing am-radio guys who lambasted the chix for their failure to appreciate how hard he was trying to forgive them. pitcher says "I never liked them--I thought they were this decade's Mary Chapin Carpenter (huh? is that a good analogy?). Despite substantial presence, skill and talent, I found them a tokenit, fake-edgy act allowed into the mix to 'prove' that country's power brokers really don't regulate the content's POV as rigidly as they in fact do...'Earl' was a phony-assed piece of cutesy crap that reeked of being written on a computer in Green Hills (upper-middle class mall-land of SW Nashville)....I deeply respect these gals (gals) for publicly refusing to make nice with the troglodytes who crushed their CDs with tractors in a bizarre Dogpatch-Jesus-hadi version of an Islamist bookburning. I don't even care if the record's any good." He then closes by saying that if mccall had had his writings burned as have the chix, mccall'd see why the chix should not back down.

reading mccall's piece again, I see that he's just accusing them of being sick of america's heartland and the people who burn their records, and that seems pretty reasonable to me, since i live amongst many people who would burn a chix record or tell me i need to support the troops and so forth. he says the record's too slow, not rowdy enough. they've written almost all the songs themselves this time, they worked with sheryl crow, gary louris, benmont tench. there's nothing that suggest mccall isn't sympathetic, he basically says the record's a drag that seems stuck in therpeutic-angry mode. "The trio don't seem able to let go of a particular harsh, life-changing episode." the photo caption is kind of simplistic: "they may have gotten a bum rap, but the Dixie Chicks need to get over it." Get over it, Chix. maybe it's just that time of the month...

I dunno, the exchange is so typical, a fan who is too hip to think about the music too much and sees it all as a Screwing the Man anti-Music Row situation, the Chix too dumb to realize they're just being used, such an us-vs.-them situation and then total overreaction to a review that may or may not work but which just basically says, this record's not much fun, it lectures and it's a bad media event, a real let-down. And so, perhaps, it's 'cause no one in Nashville ever has a sense of humor, I mean why couldn't the Chix have made a funny album about the whole thing, just blow it up and revel in it? Obviously, they're right about Bush.

But of course, that's never gonna happen, the Chix are going to do a song about their grandmother who has Alzheimer's. the more I think about all this, the more I realize they're probably walking around scared all the time, worried some nut is going to jump out from around the corner. I would, most likely.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

shit, they've sold a lotta records, seems like to me. the chix.

so, in the N-ville Scene this week, letters, jeff pitcher writes that michael mccall shares a sentiment with one of those right-wing am-radio guys who lambasted the chix for their failure to appreciate how hard he was trying to forgive them. pitcher says "I never liked them--I thought they were this decade's Mary Chapin Carpenter (huh? is that a good analogy?). Despite substantial presence, skill and talent, I found them a tokenist, fake-edgy act allowed into the mix to 'prove' that country's power brokers really don't regulate the content's POV as rigidly as they in fact do...'Earl' was a phony-assed piece of cutesy crap that reeked of being written on a computer in Green Hills (upper-middle class mall-land of SW Nashville)....I deeply respect these gals (gals) for publicly refusing to make nice with the troglodytes who crushed their CDs with tractors in a bizarre Dogpatch-Jesus-hadi version of an Islamist bookburning. I don't even care if the record's any good." He then closes by saying that if mccall had had his writings burned as have the chix, mccall'd see why the chix should not back down.

reading mccall's piece again, I see that he's just accusing them of being sick of america's heartland and the people who burn their records, and that seems pretty reasonable to me, since i live amongst many people who would burn a chix record or tell me i need to support the troops and so forth. he says the record's too slow, not rowdy enough. they've written almost all the songs themselves this time, they worked with sheryl crow, gary louris, benmont tench. there's nothing that suggest mccall isn't sympathetic, he basically says the record's a drag that seems stuck in therpeutic-angry mode. "The trio don't seem able to let go of a particular harsh, life-changing episode." the photo caption is kind of simplistic: "they may have gotten a bum rap, but the Dixie Chicks need to get over it." Get over it, Chix. maybe it's just that time of the month...

I dunno, the exchange is so typical, a fan who is too hip to think about the music too much and sees it all as a Screwing the Man anti-Music Row situation, the Chix too dumb to realize they're just being used, such an us-vs.-them situation and then total overreaction to a review that may or may not work but which just basically says, this record's not much fun, it lectures and it's a bad media event, a real let-down. And so, perhaps, it's 'cause no one in Nashville ever has a sense of humor, I mean why couldn't the Chix have made a funny album about the whole thing, just blow it up and revel in it? Obviously, they're right about Bush.

But of course, that's never gonna happen, the Chix are going to do a song about their grandmother who has Alzheimer's. the more I think about all this, the more I realize they're probably walking around scared all the time, worried some nut is going to jump out from around the corner. I would, most likely.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

You're a better man than I. I don't think the Chicks got a bum rap. I think they inspired a predictable one. That it would be a surprise to them or to anyone else probably comes as a surprise to a lot of people who spent time in "troglodyte" shires and then left when no one would have them.

Heck, even when the repairmen or the painters come to the house in Pasadena for the day, you have to keep 'em off of politics and talk about pets. I can't remember when it wasn't this way, if ever.

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But George, it seems like you're blaming the Chicks entirely

Yeah, I've had enough in the short term. It'll wear off not that it matters. And no, I don't think their "incident" was at all a calculation for publicity. -Now- what they're doing is calculation.
It's what the media wants, though, so it's a two-way street.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

My Favorite Gangstas: Natalie Maines and Pink:

http://www.takeemastheycome.blogspot.com/

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

For whatever it's worth, I had an allergist appointment yesterday morning, and as predicted, there was a copy of the Dixie Chicks *Time* in the waiting room. So I read the story. One thing I didn't know: that Tim McGraw, which the piece describes as one of the only acknowledged Democrats in country music, was also the only country star who would talk to the writer. He said something about outsiders having to realize that, in Nashville, this is a family squabble.

In non-Dixie-Chick country, the best song on this '04 cdbaby CD is a girls night out song called "Girls Night In." The rest of it's OK:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/beckyhobbs3

I've also been listening to and liking the debut by Carter Falco, which has a good sense of rhythm and a good sense of humor and two songs co-starring Shooter Jennings and one song called "Galveston" which isn't the Glen Campbell one and one song called "Union Song" which was written by Tom Morello of all people and sounds like Georgia Satellites crossed with Steve Earle when he didn't suck, and also fortunately sounds nothing like Rage Against the Machine, and has one line apparently shouted by California grocery workers.

xhuxk, Friday, 2 June 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh that sounds good

I'm disappointed at first listen by the new Chris Knight, I like his attitude and he's still a good songwriter but he's gotten a bit drearier in an attempt to be more "real," shame about that, I liked The Jealous Kind quite a bit, especially the Matraca Berg song "Devil Behind the Wheel".

I bought the Dixie Chicks album but I haven't heard it yet because I got it for my wife and she wants to return it to Target so she can re-buy it thru Amazon so she can save 2 dollars, I swear I will never understand women sometimes. Plus now that I'm not writing for money anymore I can't even say "BUT MY FREELANCE CAREER WAAAAAH".

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG re-reading the first part of that last paragraph I'm afraid I wrote a Brad Paisley song

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

its all okay, the spirit of brad paisley visits us all.

im beginning to worry because im listening to almost no chart country these days and am listening to a large amount of indie folk, like im regressing into college era meloncholy and wisdom

make it go away

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm afraid I wrote a Brad Paisley song

"Tell me how many CDs have to die..."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Why I didn't like Coe and Pantera. I tried a lot, it always beat me. Bad memories had something to do with it, maybe.

http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2006/06/gobblers-old-men-young-men-dead-men.html

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Only a couple of passing references to the Wreckers b/w the teenpop thread and this one. I'd think this would be right up Kogan's alley - it's a potent blend of tough and confessional like so much of the other stuff he champions, plus being well-produced country girl-pop to boot.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Saturday, 3 June 2006 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually don't know Michelle Branch's work very well; I love "Everywhere," have felt so-so about her other singles (which I should check on again), and John Shanks, who co-wrote "Everywhere," is nowhere in the Wreckers writing credits. I can't figure out why Allmusic doesn't list producer credits. The unreliable Wikipedia lists John Shanks among a slew of producers, but doesn't say which song(s) he produced. (And anyway, I haven't gone wild over what I've heard of the country tracks Shanks contributed to.) Greg Wells, co-author and co-producer of a good hunk of songs on the second Lohan LP (incl. "Who Loves You" and "Confessions of a Broken Heart") writes one of the Wreckers' songs, "Lay Me Down." I don't have high hopes for a song entitled "Lay Me Down."

The only song I've heard by other Wrecker Jessica Harp is "Perfectly," which is likable enough in a sub-Marit, sub-Skye way. She can't be my paper doll, she avers. (Hmmm, I'm listening to it right now and liking it more than I had previously. Does remind me of Larsen but with power chords and without Larsen's impishness and funny cabaret; Harp did the song before Under the Surface, and probably is worth checking out in her own right.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote this about "Silent House" over the Song of the Day section of my MySpace profile:

I won't know for a while what I think of the Dixie Chicks album. My favorites so far are the two angry rockers, but "Silent House" feels more crucial. More typical, at any rate. The Dixies' longplayers have always had stretches of blah, and most of this album is nice enough for blah, soft rock mainly, with interesting arrangements but the melodies aren't kicking in, at least not yet. "Silent House" is an exception: soft beauty that kicks hard with its beauty while staying soft. Maybe I'll figure out why when I get back from breakfast.... EDIT: OK, it's now after breakfast - after lunch even. My wisdom is "has something to do with being in the key of C-sharp but - when the melody shifts - passing through the relative major (E-flat) on the way to the fourth (F)." Like, that explains it. Anyway, sounds good.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Over in the Song of the Day section of my MySpace profile.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

did the song before Under the Surface was released, that is...

(I'm not even tired; don't know why I'm fucking up all my posts.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder if the dixie chicks album is one we come to a decade later when the poltics changes, and we can finally look at it as an aesthetic object or an object of nostaligc curiousity

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 5 June 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

what is it now???

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 5 June 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

a fuck you to country

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 5 June 2006 05:36 (eighteen years ago) link

http://bradyearnhart.com/mp3/thank_god_virginias_on_our_side.mp3
this is good

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 5 June 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

C-sharp is a cutting kind of key, Frank, so may be you on to something. The relative minor is A-sharp, though.

I'll have a longish thing on Blaine Larsen's two records up on Nashville Scene this Wednesday.

Anyone heard Ronnie Milsap's Keith Stegall-produced new one, "My Life"?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, Frank: John Leventhal & Rick DePofi produced the bulk of The Wreckers' debut. That was the last album I worked on as assistant and I've got good memories of working on it. Haven't heard it yet, though.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Monday, 5 June 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Good short piece on Dylan the songwriter in the new Paste by our Frank.
My girlfriend subscribes. Not that you asked.

I am thinking this Dixie Chick album is very very good--despite being too long, with at least three tracks of blatant filler. What Jeff Lynne song or Tom Petty song or Traveling Wilburys song is the rhythm part for Voices In My Head? And I love the sitarified 12 string or whatever it is. A radio edit--half the songs flirt with the 5 minute mark, more FU to country radio--and pre-incident time travel and it would be one of the best things on Clear Channel.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

"Silent House" is just flat-out extraordinary. You get that open-sounding harmony on the verse and you're like, "jeez, do voices get any prettier?" and then the chorus slips in and it's super tight parralel third hamony-land and it's just breathtaking, the way the Everlys were at their tonally most pure but with the added attraction and implied ache in the slight burr or rasp in Maine's voice. Then there's that single second verse bit of momentary brilliance where, to accentuate one line, they hit a suspended major chord where lesser souls would go to the usual minor. It's a detail, but a splendid one that shows just how much everyone is paying attention.

The banjo on "Lubbuck or Leave It" freaks me out--I swear, Rubin went over every arpeggiated note and cut out anything that didn't work in a modal, Celtic way. It end up sounding like tiny ballpeen hammers dancing angrily, but also teasingly.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

is this the place to state that i have tried to write about hiway 61 for a couple of weeks now, in the midst of other things, and find it really well not awful, but pretentious and unpentatable(sp)...i dont get why he is considered a sage, a poet, or even a good writer, he has decent songs, but nothing trasncendent?

or just read the paste peice

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that your way of saying you're embarrassed that Bob Dylan is from Minnesota?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, its my way of saying that i dont like the canon

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, if you listen to Dylan as if he's maybe as good as Stick McGhee singing "Drinkin' Wine, Spo-De-O-Dee" (which is the greatest bit of poetry in the "canon" even in the 1947 version where he situates the song in Petersburg, Va. and not in New Orleans, "everything is fine" both places just like Dylan riding his mail train looking for a thrill), and forget all that sage stuff, why then "Highway 61" sounds just fine, I think.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

test

don (dow), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, now I'm registered, but how do yall cutnpaste stuff into the post box? I thought it would show me, once I was finally made!

don goodfella (dow), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i like some of it tangled up in blue, visions of johanna, lay lady lay, you gotta serve somebody, and a few others but hes no kris kristofferson, johnny cash, jerry lee lewis, john prine, ap carter, sarah carter, june carter cash, woody gutherie, leadbelly, wc handy, louvin brothers, dolly parton, loretta lynn, tom t hall, bob wills, pete seeger, shel silverstien, warren zevon, kitty wells, etc

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Biggest laugh of the day so far: Looking at the web stats for Dick Destiny blog and the entry mentioned upthread. Search term most used before coming to this page: dixie chicks not read to make nice guitar tabs.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

my favorite song on the new dixie chicks CD so far: "long time around"
better when i'm not watching the video: "not ready to make nice"
kinda dull so far: "easy silence," "lullaby"
kinda catchy so far: "lubbock or leave it"

longer but also more consitent than the becky hobbs CD i linked to up above:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/beckyhobbs4

which is her best-of.
best song on it: "mama was a working man."

also listening to:

lucky 7, *one way track* (parts of which remind of the blasters, joe king carrasco and the crowns, dave edmunds)

marshall tucker band, *we're going to be here for a while!: live on long island, 4-18-80* (shout! factory)

have not been motivated to listen to these much:
new blaine larsen CD
new trent willmon CD

okay, back to hiding in my cave now.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

One last comment on the Dixie Chicks, unless I ever get the promo. There's no way they wouldn't have had to talk about that shit, no matter how they've exploited it. It was bound to be exploited by others, incl the ones who made an example of them, and turned Dixie Chick into a verb. (as in, "If Tim McGraw really is going to run for office as a Demo, is he worried about being Dixie Chicked?") Sasha was disappointed that they wrote about The Incident, but not the war. But how good would that have been? Anybody heard any compelling songs about Iraq? I haven't heard Neil Young's new album, but apparently more about the fallout in domestic political bickering. Live From Iraq (no names of performers listed)keeps or kept me listening, but it's dominated by this one ahole who considers that being a soldier entitles him to kill anybody.(Not that other participants are aholes, necessarily: "Ride" ia about worrying that your woman back home is cheating, struggling with all sorts of thoughts about that, as you patrol)

don (dow), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

xp: oops, "the long time around," i meant.

also, i like the bop-bop-bop pop backing voices in "i like it," and "voice inside my head" sugguests sheryl crow plus tom petty's guitar player (rather than the funkiest song the police ever did.)

(i never got a promo, but when i sold my other promos to my promo-buying guy, he traded me a copy. copies of damone and wolfmother too. damone is real good, especially "out here all night" and "outta my way," the latter of which sounds a lot like "nothing but a good time" by poison except maybe better. wolfmother have been annoying the hell out of me. sometimes their riffs are catchy, but the singer sounds even more like jack white with anorexia than i'd remembered.)

also, bob dylan is a lot better than anthony thinks.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

FUCK. "The Long WAY Around." Jeez. (It's almost the album title, for crissakes.) (Though so far I just think of it as "The Song About High School.") (which it may or may not actually be about.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, give or take a couple lines in the single, the DC CD does not really hit me much like "a fuck you to country" at all. (Even those couple lines don't hit me as a fuck you to country, really. And there is nothing not-country about sounding like Sheryl Crow these days. And they haven't reminded me of the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac yet, though maybe they eventually will. I hear more Fleetwood Mac in Little Big Town or in Bering Strait. Though maybe that will change.) (The songs I kinda dislike so far seem more alt-country than '70s soft Cali rock.) (But "Lullaby" has a sorta minimalist swirl to it.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

>>Sasha was disappointed that they wrote about The Incident

Notify the Pulitzer committees.

xpost

You have a fine fellow in that promo-buying guy. At Amoeba, you just get sneered at which makes the stuff like that latest Spencer Dickinson, which I'm assuming it going to be, useless. Actually, everything I get is useless. I think they plan it that way. The only two things that weren't were bought. The Crash Kelly promo was a beaut, too. In a Radio Shack paper sleeve with their name in magic marker on the CD-R.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

>You have a fine fellow in that promo-buying guy. <

You have no idea. He makes HOUSE CALLS. And I get FINDER'S FEES. Now if I only I got more than a fraction of the promos that I was getting in the mail two months ago. (Or even if I got as many as I was getting in the mail eight years ago, before I had a job in the first place.) (But for whatever it's worth, my copy of the Crash Kelly CD was a markered CD-R too. Either way, it's a great album.)

> nothing I'd read about Oakley Hall really gave me the impression I got from listening:"country rock,"<

Yeah, Don, I agree. As much country rock as "freak folk". But do you like anything else on the CD as much as the admittedly Fairported "House Carpenter"? I don't think I do. Maybe the "me and my baby in a knock-down drag" one--I guess that would be "Living In Sin in the USA," maybe? Whatever track #4 is called. And a couple other cuts have a bit of stomp and psych to them, but most of them don't leave much of a lasting impression. I definitely prefer when the girl's singing to when the guy is. What am I missing here?

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I guess what I like about the initial subset of guitars shaking their chains (with vocals I'd think any fans or likers of say, Little Big Town would also like; I don't like LBT, but like F.Mac, X, Airplane and other guysngals vocals) is what had me comparing them to "Mr.Soul," those taut, wary compressed (self-disciplined)guitar outbursts, becoming more sustained but balanced by wary vocal chorus (like the chorus in some Greek tragedies). Sort of like what My Morning Jacket might be moving toward. And then, they drop it.(Rather than milk a good approach to death, like a good bizzer should.) And the female singer moves up front, and the intruments accompany her in various ways, and yeah "Living In Sin In The USA" is prob the best single original, but it's really about the overall variety(in subsets, etc.) and pacing. And the overall restless autumnal mood seems country enough to me.

don (dow), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

PS: "sort of like what My Morning Jacket might be moving toward" IF they got as hot in studio as they do sometimes live and IF they got more better singers. (Prob mostly wishful thinking)

don (dow), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of promos, im having a bitch of a time finding promos of dale watson and gary bennett, and i am supposed to review their albums for left hip, i have contacted the pr companies, anyone want to help a bro out

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

>My favorites so far are the two angry rockers<

So that would be the single and "Lubbock or Leave It", right? Or am I missing one?

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, sometimes the booking agencies have sent me in the right direction, not sending me promos, but telling me who else to check with. Especially when I called rather than emailing (bookers and publicists). And tellum on first contact: if no promos left, *annotated* CD-Rs (not CD-RWs) are fine, at least they're fine with me. What I was wanting to cutnpaste in here (thanks for all your advice, guyyyyyyz NOT) was this AP article by John Gerome, re all the pop product on country charts. He starts out talking to Michelle Branch about the Wreckers (she says wanted to make it straight bluegrass), and goes on to say how well The Willies, Norah Jones' band, are doing on country charts, and also Van Morrison's current country covers album, and how CMT has long since been featuring Sheryl, Mellen, etc etc., and that Crossroads is their most popular show (when's the next new one, when's the next re-run, for that matter, CMT's gotten so-o-o creaky). So to say the Chicks have "gone rock" ain't necessarily so, although they and their press receptors may well believe it; don't seem to keep up with CMT, charts, etc. all that well. in the Time piece, CMT VP sez they've conducted many focus groups on DCs, and the main remaining objection isn't musical at all, nor much specific Bush defense nor war rah-rah (anymore), but still,"they said it in *Europe*"

don (dow), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

its the little one i cant seem to get contact from, rounders on holiday, and im getting gene watson asap so yeah

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The thing I've noticed about the new DC is not just that it's ballad-heavy but esp. towards the end it's almost wearingly emotive - there aren't any brisk little lightweight numbers like "Hello Mr. Heartache" or "Some Days You Gotta Dance." Everything from "Silent House" through "So Hard" is just Natalie and the music going from broke over and over again, holding nothing back. It's mostly effective, but still a little tiring w/o anything to break the trend.

Is "I Like It" maybe the other rocker? "Lubbock" is really the only one with a faster tempo so I'm not sure (thrilled that it mentions Athens, GA even if it's indirectly dismissive).

I hear a good bit of alt-country throughout, "Not Ready" and "Everybody Knows" both remind me at times of the Jayhawks, not surprising when Louris co-wrote the latter. "I Hope" sounds like something from one of Shelby Lynne's last couple of records, so I imagine Chuck hates it (fwiw, I don't care for it too much either though).

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 8 June 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No "I Hope" opinion yet, it must have slipped right by me. But oddly, I've been liking "Everybody Knows" a lot so far. Not sure why yet. (Maybe I'm a secret Jayhawks fan, and just don't know it?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

They did a version of "I Hope" with Robert Randolph, at the Shelter From The Storm Katrinathon. Reall good, but he's not on the album version, is he? It's Probably still around on the Web somewhere (Also,Mary J.'s Shelter rendition of "One" was much better than the "One" on her album.)Edd's Blair Larsen opus in today's Nashville Scene is amazing. Not because it's good (hey, it's Edd, after all), but because of the ways it's good. Which include: 1) It's all about the music; 2) it's a critical history of the music to date; 3) he's GOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO IT RIGHT! How often do those three thangs converge these days??? (PS: politely leaving my shit for last, I now mention that have tweaked teh Shooter piece, def for the better, or anyway it's some better, though you must scroll down a little South of something good and brief by somebody else[who could it be?] Look for "[Honey Don't]Put The OO Back In UmLaut! Shooter Jennings Makes Retro His Own Thing"--only at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don (dow), Thursday, 8 June 2006 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah yeah, it's actually *Blaine* Larsen. But Blair is a better name, he should change it, then he'd be successful, like me. If he married Natalie, he'd be Blaine Maines, no matter what he changed it to, so don't do it, Blair!

don (dow), Thursday, 8 June 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

excellent, don. so far, I haven't heard a better country record this year than Jessi's. what I love about it is the way her electric-piano playing anchors everything, and how eccentric it is.

haven't heard the watson yet, though.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rebels Who Share The Tourbus Toilet went two weeks at number 1, selling something over 800,000 copies thus far. By contrast, Peeping Tom entered the chart at 103, selling around 10,000.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Rebels Who Share The Tourbus Toiler": when I first saw that, had horrible vision of David Allan Coe and the Panterans (Rebel Meats Rebel)Speaking xpost of Highway 61, Natalie belted and swung a verse of "Tombstone Blues," amidst the final rave-up of Sheryl Crow And Friends Live In Central Park. In Billboard (I think it was), once read that that new country releases are tough to break in the Southeast, much more likely to catch a fire out West, esp in Texas. And they know they're hot shit politically too, of course. So, for her to say she or we's ashamed to be from there, really is trrouble. The thing about saying it "on foreign soil," as keeps being harped on, she knew that a lot of people do at least tend to identify all Americans, much less Texans, as suspect, if not complicit, in Evil Empire doin's. I've experienced a little bit of that myself, having furriner penpals suddenly rip into "your country, my friend, is very dangerous to itself, and the world!"Even that can be disconcerting, much less what they got, and she knew that going in, but felt compelled...as a Southerner, too, I kinda know that feeling, of needing to clarify, and if I were from Texas, would prob feel it much more urgently.And that's what I xpost meant about country identity anxiety (and yeah "family feuds," but family vs family, as well as intra-family, ditto clans, cliques, etc)

don (dow), Thursday, 8 June 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

54 leftist country songs, a partial response to the NRO
1. DIVORICE Tammy Wynette
2. Down From Dover Dolly Parton
3. Wasteland of the Free Iris Dement
4. Christ For President Woody Gutherie
5. Fancy Bobby Gentry
6. Cowboys Are Secretly, Frequently Fond of Each Other Willie Nelsons Cover
7. Red Rag Top Tim McGraw
8. John Walker Blues Steve Earle
9. I Shall be Released Bob Dylan
10. In the Ghetto Elvis
11. Your Good Girl is Gonna Go Bad Tammy Wynette
12. The Ghosts of American Astronauts The Mekons
13. The Ballad of Ira Hayes Johnny Cash
14. San Quentin Johnny Cash
15. Detroit City Jerry Lee Lewis
16. Puttin’ People on the Moon The Drive By Truckers
17. Take this Job and Shove It Johnny Paycheck
18. Another Day, Another Dollar Wynn Stewart
19. Little Pink Mac Kay Adams
20. Travelin’ Solider Dixie Chicks
21. The Little Lady Preacher Tom T Hall
22. I Love This Bar Toby Keith
23. Jimmie Brown the Newsman Skeeter Davis
24. The Obscenity Prayer Rodney Cowell
25. Countrier Then Thou Robbie Fulks
26. Oil in the Fields Paul Duncan
27. Freedom is a Stranger Scott Miller
28. Love Train Big and Rich
29. Wal Mart Parking Lot Chris Cagle
30. Playboys of the Southwestern World Blake Shelton
31. Iowa Dar Williams
32. Whiskey or God Dale Watson
33. Drugs or Jesus Tim McGraw
34. Small Town Labouring Man George Jones
35. 30 Days in the Hole Gvnt Mule
36. I’m A Long Gone Daddy Hank Williams
37. Born Again in Dixieland Jason McCoy
38. Your Flag… John Prine
39. Big Boned Girl kd lang
40. 6 O Clock News Kathleen Edwards
41. Leaves and Kings Josh Ritter
42. It Wasn’t God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels Kitty Wells
43. The Eagle and the Bear Kris Kristofferson
44. Rapid City, South Dakota Kinky Friedman
45. No Depression in Heaven Carter Family
46. Independence Day Martina McBride
47. We Shall be Free
48. Smoking Weed With Willie Toby Keith
49. Look at Miss Ohio Gillian Welch
50. American Dreams Lucinda Williams
51. Missippi Cotton Picking Delta Town Charlie Pride
52. Down on The Rio Grande Jimmy Rodegueiz
53. Another Man Done Gone Oddetta
54. The Bourgeois Blues Ledbetter

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 11 June 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Especially for what's basically a straight-down-the-middle Travis/Strait-style not-all-that-pop guy-country CD, the Blaine Larsen album is really really great: Great singing, great material with TONS of memorable lyrics, pretty much consistent top to bottom in a way I'm not sure any other country record this year has been. (Jamey Johnson, Dale Watson, Toby Keith, Dixie Chicks come close maybe I guess/) The Latina fetish song at the start with the "Come a Little Bit Closer" mariachi lilt is completely ridiculous with all its bungled Spanish phrases (and isn't French supposed to be the language of love, not Spanish?), but I kind of love it. "I Don't Want to Work That Hard" is even better, very funny, probably my favorite track. And even the mushy stuff like "I'm in Love With a Married Woman" (i.e., his wife, whose name appears to be Samantha aka Sammie, judging from his little yellow airplane in the CD booklet and the thank you note) and "At the Gate" (i.e., who's gonna be there when he dies) is relaly clever. Good advice-to-dumb-guy-buddies songs, too. ("No Woman" has a hint of Skynyrd in its riffs, but just a hint.) And the fact that "Lips of a Bottle" actually goes *downhill* when Gretchen Wilson steps in says a lot about how great a singer Blaine is. And DAMN he lools young. What a babyfaced little pretty boy. (I still haven't heard his first album, beyond the friend-who-commited-suicide-in-high-school video, but now I think I might look around for a cheap copy.) But anyway, what's really blowing me away is his cover of Mac Davis's 70s soft-rock singles-bar sleazeball smash "Baby Don't Get Hooked On Me." I've never given Mac Davis any thought at all before, not since I was like 12 years old and basically hated him, but now I'm curious. Was he considered country at all at the time? Who were his fans? Middle aged ladies? Four top 40 hits, including two top 10s, 1972 to 1974 -- oh wait, Joel Whitburn is saying he wrote "In the Ghetto" for Elvis and was born in Lubbock and appeared in *North Dalls Forty* and hosted his own TV variety show? I had no idea. (Though maybe the variety show is what made me not like him?) So yeah, a country connection; did he cross over pop *from* country? Inquiring minds truly want to know.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 11 June 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

And wow, "Someone Like Me" has got to be one of the first country songs I've heard about exurbia going to hell -- aluminum cans and cigarette butts on the side of the street, baseball diamond in the park covered with weeds, swastika painted over the overpass. (Smart! 'Cause if they would've used gang symbols for the anti-graffiti line, it could have sounded racist, and now it's just the opposite.) How come there's no line about crystal meth labs and abandoned sanitariums in the woods, though? What a missed chance.

So okay, Dixie Chicks. Good album, it turns out. Almost every song (give or take the two dogs to my ears, "Lullaby" and "Easy Silence") kicks in within a couple listens; not very many albums this year (in any genre) you can say that about. My favorites are "The Long Way Around" (not about high school, but life *after* high school) and "I Like It" (Motowny pop-r&b about getting so high ON LIFE you don't ever wanna come down, take that, Axl; also the closest thing to a funky song on the album), followed I guess (though not necessarily in this order) by "Not Ready to Make Nice" (not all THAT angry or THAT much a rocker), "Lubbock or Leav It" (ditto, and inasmuch as it's a rocker it's a genre-piece rocker in the tradition of plenty of lady-sung country rock hits of recent years, with fiddles, and yeah I guess the layered vocals are kinda Fleetwood Mac), "Voice Inside My Head" (aka "The Sheryl Crow Song"), "Baby Hold On" (starts kinda so-what -- and more Shelby-like than the gospel song at the end, I'd say -- but I love the buildup to the climactic complex mesh of vocals). Beyond that (kinda like the latest Pink album, come to think of it; the best songs on that one by the way are easily "Leave Me Alone [I'm Lonely]" and "U + Ur Hand", the latter of which has Pink's most rock *and* most rap vocal; most country song on Pink's album is her sorta Janis-voiced "The One That Got Away," which is nice but'd be better if it had a hook or two), lots of completely pleasant though somewhat forgettable and often wishy-washy midtempo power ballads: "Everybody Knows" has an extremely catchy chorus, it turns out, but fairly boring verses; "Bitter End" should be called "Farewell to Old Friends" and it's just okay; "Silent House" I'm stumped by since Frank seemed intrigued by it above -- more bluegrassy, gets powerchordy, fine, but so?; "Favorite Year," not bad but so?; "So Hard," nice power-ballad buildup I guess; "I Hope," not great but also not horrible as gospel-pop goes, I honestly don't hate it as much as Josh Love predicted I would above, basically it hits me as corny and unconvincing but still lively enough, not just going through the tasteful motions of blowing smoke in the air in a cocktail bar like most recent Shelby does, but again so what? Still, a really listenable album. And mostly not a fuck you to anything.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 11 June 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Did you read Edd's xpost Scene piece on Blaine, it's good.Yeah, I used to avoid Mac Davis like the plague, the moreso cause he was all over the place for a while there. But saw North Dallas Forty on TV later, really enjoyed that, and he seemed born to play the Bill Clntonesque smoothie, way in with the sleaze crowd. He and Glen Campbell were supposed to be big buddies, the next Newman and Redford, Orlando and Prinze, but then Glen stole his wife, and seems like that's the last I head of Mac. Wrote "Rock 'N' Roll I Gave You The Best Years Of My LIfe," but didn't realize he wrote "In The Ghetto"! Really struck me as a seriously boring singer, though. xpost Anthony, re yr Leftie Country, what about "Take This Job And Shove It"? (And we were talking about "Plane Wreck In Los Gatos" AKA "Deportee" a while back(and come to think of it, I guess the levelling, equal-oppportunity threat/prophecy of xposts "Long Black Train," and especially that earlier "Little Black Train" I quoted, could be considered leftie. Or Anarchist, when that was an upper-case concern. The Pentecostal movement originally refused loyalty oaths and singing the National Anthem and participation in World War I, some went to prison for the latter)

don (dow), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

And okay, coming to my senses a little (partly it's just that I liked the album so much more than I *expected* to) blaine larsen's album is probably more "really good" than "really great," I admit it. "Someone Like Me" is probably better in theory than in reality; not much of a hook, and the premise (that he's gonna clean up the weeds and swastika and butts himself, I guess) is kind of stupid. I seem to like "I'm in Love With a Married Woman" more and "Spoken Like a Man" less than Edd does; the latter's gotten a much smarter lyric, but never really kicks in musically, though I agree, they are a matched pair about fidelity in marriage, not very mawkish about it. "Let Alone You" and "Lips of a Bottle" on the other hand are a matched pair about a washed-up guy's midlife crisis, or at least that's how they sound to me (mood reminds of Tim McGraw's *A Place in the Sun* more than Travis or Strait, come to think of it, so maybe Blaine's more pop than I suggested), and it's kind of amazing such a young turk could pull them off -- in fact, I swear, the bottle one would be better *without* Gretchen, who I continue to believe has no business singing ballads. And "Let Alone You" and "No Woman" are also a matched pair that start out talking about watching football on TV (e.g. Tampa Bay vs Carolina -- you can tell he's young; aren't those both expansion teams?) What else: Oh yeah, best moment on the album is halfway through "I Don't Wanna Work That Hard," when the music speeds up while dropping almost to just Blaine over a drumbeat, talking about how it's not worth dealing with his girl's mama and saint bernard and bully ex-boyfriend. Second best moment on the album: When he tells the gal he's singing to in the Mac Davis cover "you're a hot blooded woman child." (He should know!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

"he should know!)" What qualifies him especially?

don (dow), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I keep listening to Blaine for the singing, actually, and while I still think this record's a little simple-minded in comparison to his first one, and I still can't stand "I'm in Love with a Married Woman" (not that I don't believe in great marriages or sexy marriages or anything, or that a good woman don't deserve exactly the kind of plane-ride Blaine gives her, but I wish there were more real dramatic tension there, I guess), I totally am with Xhuxk about "Don't Wanna Work That Hard," a great, funny song. And right, Gretchen almost fucks up "Lips of a Bottle," which Blaine and Johnson, I think, wrote! What grasp of country classicism! Amazing. But she doesn't really screw it up.

Overall, I think it's better than Jamey Johnson's record, which I still like a lot--shit, both guys are really fine singers, where they comin' from? Larsen looks too young to be so savvy, and to be flyin' around in a plane...but like I say, I think he's great, smart, and he's doing well, moving to Nashville and building a recording studio in his house, he says. And he's a good guy, put his mom thru school with his advance...

And, Chuck--I got a spare copy of Larsen's first CD that I'd be more than glad to send to ya. E-mail me your address, if you want it...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

("The dominoes are standin' in a line." Joe Ely's doing a dusty outlaw ballad on Prarie Home Companion, with Jo-El [sounds like?]Guzman's accordion rolling around the almost empty streets.)

don (dow), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

(ha, got "dominoes," missed "Prairie")

don (dow), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

C-sharp is a cutting kind of key, Frank, so may be you on to something. The relative minor is A-sharp, though.

Yeah, but I wasn't talking about the relative minor. But then again, I have no fucking idea what I was talking about since looking back I don't see where I'm making any sense. Did I mean to write that the key was C-minor (not C-sharp, which it most certainly isn't)? I don't know if it is C-minor though; seems to be one of the things where initially they're suppressing the "mi" not altogether. But they do pass through E-flat (which is the C-minor's relative major, assuming the key is C-minor, which... oh I don't know, this is one reason I gave up as a musician; maybe Ian will return and set me straight), and the quiet pang comes from that E-flat. They also do some nice stuff in sometimes giving you an F and sometimes giving you an F-minor (it that is what they're doing); maybe the word "modulate" is relevant. Damned if I know.

Yeah, I was considering "Not Ready to Make Nice" as the other angry rocker; I'll concede it's something of a slow rocker, but it's a rocker nonetheless, emotionally; ironically enough, it's the sort of slow burner that Trivis Tritt would totally nail. (Wasn't Tritt one of the guys who piled on the Dixie Chicks?)

You guys' referring to the Dixie Chicks as DC always confuses me, since over at Poptimists and related LJ sites DC means one and only one thing, not Dixie Chicks and not District of Columbia but Destiny's Child.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

John Boyd (San Angelo Standard Times): So again, I go back to the Dixie Chicks. After (singer) Natalie Maines made her comments about Bush, country fans were in an uproar. Are you getting a free pass here that the Dixie Chicks didn't get?

Merle Haggard: There's a lot of difference between the Dixie Chicks and me.

But then, what's new about momma and grandma not liking war? I'll criticize the country audience and say it to them. Grandma didn't like war when Bob Wills was alive. I don't see the shock factor in what the Dixie Chicks did, and it makes me afraid that America thinks that way. You can't even criticize the United States without ruining your credibility. Haven't we gone too far? Doesn't that make you afraid?

They want to wiretap us. They want to listen to all our conversations. How can you find that good? Are we happy to give up these freedoms? Are we happy for people that have to fight all over the world?

The counter decisions that are being made don't seem to be lining up with each other.

Boyd: I want to give you a chance to talk about your new album. There's a lot of duality to "Chicago Wind." You've got this very political side that we've talked about, and then you've also got the side that is just classic Merle - the sweeping ballads, and the barroom singalongs.

Haggard: That's probably what I should do - just sing my songs and not speak my mind.

Boyd: Now why do you say that?

Merle Haggard: I don't feel safe to make my opinions known. I fear of somebody bombing my house.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

* cue "politically uncorrect" *

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

disappointed to see that apparently the chix tour is bombing (esp since their stance was always 'we make our money on tour/the records just exist to promote it' and the tour holding strong in the midst of the incident was a nice showing that the situation was maybe more complicated than it appeared. releasing yr weakest album yet couldn't've helped on top of everything else (and at this point is there anyone who sincerely believes that the reba comments et al aren't more responsible for the shape their career is in at this moment right now than The Incident?)(ie. you really think bush and the war are more popular now than 3 years ago?).

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

passing through the relative major (E-flat) on the way to the fourth (F)

Except I think it's really on the way to D-minor (which is F's relative minor), or to some variant. But the E-flat is definitely an E-flat.

Don't pay me any mind.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The previous tour was (pretty much)already sold out before The Incident. So, even if everybody had burned their tickets, the money was already made. And the CMT focus groups and the people polled by and calling up radio stations were holding fast, before "Not Ready To Make Nice" came out, and before Reba's remarks (which were defensive as shit, like "Hey, maybe I been doing stuff like with them yankee TV suits, but at least I ain't no Dixie Chick")(like my fellow Alabamans saying "Thank God for Mississippi," cos supposedly they're even lower-achieving than we-uns). Despite Bush's low point, I do think it's a matter of being prematurely publicly anti-, and sayin what we were thinkin, and how dare you (almost, "How dare I?!)(again, that identity-anxiety)Even Toby said a while back that he never did quite aee how Iraq fit with the overall War On Terror. But to say it first, and to say you're ashamed to be from Texas, for any reason! When Texas is such a bigass country market, too. And there's a lot of political operatives still determined to keep them Made An Example Of, to keep them Dixie Chicked. And maybe some of it is the album's quality, but the album's still doing a lot better than the tour, so far.

don (dow), Monday, 12 June 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

well, anyway, fuck a relative minor, as the man in jail told me...

more later--but right now, listening to ronnie milsap's new keith stegall-produced "my life." optimist meliorist pop at its most soulful; something very false and falsely antic, maybe the word is, about ronnie, yet he's very good. can't quite figure it out--the first song starts with a jewsharp-fueled rhythm track; another one about how americans move too fast mentions grande lattes; yet another, called "local girls" and the first single (not graham parker's song) mentions "ol' carlos santana." still, this is really ace songwriting nashville-style and for instance i quite love ronnie doing one called "somewhere dry" where he has to get out of the humid south and out to dry california. he's overly professional yet there are moments when i identify with him totally, and wish i were in his world of immaculate surfaces and many braille-coded custom Ronnie Milsap Koffee Kups with his picture on it. in short, charlie rich is dead but ronnie does just fine.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

well, anyway, fuck a relative minor, as the man in jail told me...

more later--but right now, listening to ronnie milsap's new keith stegall-produced "my life." optimist meliorist pop at its most soulful; something very false and falsely antic, maybe the word is, about ronnie, yet he's very good. can't quite figure it out--the first song starts with a jewsharp-fueled rhythm track; another one about how americans move too fast mentions grande lattes; yet another, called "local girls" and the first single (not graham parker's song), mentions "ol' carlos santana." still, this is really ace songwriting nashville-style and for instance i quite love ronnie doing one called "somewhere dry" where he has to get out of the humid south and out to dry california. he's overly professional yet there are moments when i identify with him totally, and wish i were in his world of immaculate surfaces and many braille-coded custom Ronnie Milsap Koffee Kups with his picture on it. in short, charlie rich is dead but ronnie does just fine.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

so does anybody have any trent willmon opinions? (jon caramanica seems to have a couple in his amusing new mtv urge informer country blog posting, but they mostly involve what vintage of wine trent drinks.) don't remember his older stuff; new album strikes me as forgettable macho sap, for the most part. track five is a not awful morning after the domestic squabble song; track 10 is a hard blues number with no other distinction to make me care. on the front and back CD cover, trent's standing in the desert. beyond that, shrug.

Charles Joseph Tarcisius Eddy (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

also he does a couple lazing around alone in hammock with a cold one in the lazy hazy daze of summer sorts of songs that might be fun if kenny chesney (or, in the case where trent gets dumped for a laywer, toby keith) covered them, but they probably won't so never mind. (if you're out there, though: kenny, you do track #1; toby, you do #4.)

oops i mean xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope, haven't gotten that promo. xpost the Crossraods with Ronnie Milsap and Los Lonely Boys was totally unexpected, by me anyway, and totally cool! (think I wrote about it on Rolling Country 2005, or mebbe earlier this year, but I've got this thing set to only show the 50 most recent posts). Their vocal and instrumental phrasing turned out to be totally compatible, which might have in part to do with crypto-latin sleeper cells in country (John Storm Roberts to thread!). But also, LLB were really on, even when performing without Ronnie, which was a first for them, in my experience (some pretty weak sets on other shows). Just saw a CMT commercial for Best Of Crossroads, every Friday night this summer, so hopefully will show that, see the Crossroads subsite or whatever you call it at cmt.com.

don (dow), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont think i have ever heard ronnie milsap, and i think the only place ive heard him, is in that nasty robbie fulks song

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

so i've been listening to this 20-song 2004 compilation called *life and times* by a louisiana singer-songwriter named butch hornsby who apparently used to write songs (in the '90s i guess) for john fred, formerly of the playboy band fame. first nine tracks are identified as "malaco rough mix"es; not sure if that means he was making demos for the southern soul label, or recording in their studio (if they have one) or what. other stuff was apparently connected to a label (studio?) called deep south, and four songs are "mandeville bathroom session"s. anyway, the guy's pretty eccentric, a country soulster closest vocally to a young david allan coe (the similarity is most noticeable in "suddenly single"), but with a few wacko titles like "i ain't no chauffeur" and "don't take it out on the dog" and (my favorite so far) "rock bottom on romaine," which seems to concern being strung out in hollywood, and romaine rhymes with cocaine, so draw your own conclusions. except the liner notes allude, somehow, to hornsby meeting some kind of tragic end, and this bizarre cryptic part might be ABOUT romaine: "butch hornsby made people uncomfortable. tommy lorio tried to warn butch's wife carol. he use dried lettuce and food parts that were petrified upon his ceiling as a visible manifestation of that warning. carol didn't listen." what the? but carol's note (and john fred's) don't mention lettuce, and a google search to find out more left me high and dry.

also liking (speaking of southern soul) *candy licker: the sex & soul of marvin sease* (jive/legacy) not all of which concerns muff diving, and at least "hoochie mama" of which has zapp-style robot-funk freakazoids reciting the names of several of the united states.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

actually there's also something about bruce hornsby that reminds me of terry allen. (he even does a song called "the smithsonian," so there's a fairly good chance he appreciates art. "i have seen the universe," too.) and he sings way too good to just be a demo singer.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

BUTCH Hornsby, not Bruce (who reminds me of Tupac Shakur instead).

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

tupac and his magic piano. well, the guys who started malaco bought one of the studios in the muscle shoals area, when they started the label, I believe. I'm guessing Deep South studios were maybe in Jackson (Ms., not Tenn., the latter of which is known for ugly women and Carl Perkins and being a pee-stop between Nashville and Memphis...). Mandeville is where the Louisiana "insane asylum" (do we call 'em that any more? don't want to offend anyone who's sensitive on this issue...) is. I obviously need to investigate this: rock bottom on rogaine, I mean romaine...

And Anthony, you never heard, like, "Any Day Now" by Milsap? One of those hits that's so squishy and ubiquitous, you're always shocked when you learn it's a real thing with a real name.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

>Merle Haggard: Grandma didn't like war when Bob Wills was alive<

And Bob Wills was big during World War II, right? I'll refrain from joking about Western swing bandleader Adolph Hofner, who may or may not have been against our involvement in the war then as well. (But I do recommend *South Texas Swing: His Early Recordings, 1935-55* on Arhoolie.) (And actually, he was more Czech than German, apparently.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont think i have

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

(My fave Tupac is "California," with Roger's magic keyb and vocoder.)Yeah, I think Uncle Adolph had an album titled Tex-Czech!, and that's the first I knew of that term. One of Bob's musicians said that Bob was drafted into WWII, despite being in his late 30s, or even early 40s, they did nab some guys who were that old (and didn't throw 'em back, unless they had the wrong sort of chronic condition). And the musician said that Bob's health was never the same after that. Of course, the big bands were never the same either, and music business had been socked by wartime recording ban (to save chemicals used in records, I think). And other changes, of course. On the other hand, other musicians have been quoted as saying Bob developed quite a drinking problem, though this could have been connected with wartime experiences. Course, if he'd refused to go, prob have ended up in a prison camp, lke Robert Lowell, and his fellow conscientious objectors.

don (dow), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"People said John was a slacker, ’cause he wouldn’t fight in their war
A man wasn’t much if he wouldn’t fight back in 1940 and 4
The doctor said John was just too sick to go, but the people said that he was a coward
And one of the men makin’ fun of him was a fellow named Milton Howard."
-- Tom T Hall, "Turn it On, Turn it On, Turn it On"

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, should have thought of that!

don (dow), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

*Most of the Marvin Sease album is gloppy ballads which aren't all that good, but some of it is kinda fun. (The first track is awful though.)
*Trent Willmon's first album was pretty good, song-wise, but I haven't heard the new one yet.
*Dixie Chicks album is really interesting. Still sorting it all out.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 02:16 (eighteen years ago) link

From Pennsylvania with roots in Windsor, the most explicitly Journey-influenced country album ever made; i.e., the singer actually used to sing in a Journey tribute band (and their cdbaby page also lists bands like Kansas as an inspiration), he was one of the highest voices of any male country singer I've ever heard, and he does Steve Perry type corkscrewing toward heaven melisma stuff all over the album, most blatantly in "Gonna Leave a Mark." There are also little proggy filigrees. And boy band harmonies. And in the yuckily titled "My Life is A River," '80s Police keybs. And endearing liner notes about their Lord and Savior Jesus and some "little man" and "Alan M appears courtesy of he new truck" and "Bert appears courtesy of his mom." And two attempts at funkiness ("No Where to Run," "Throttle Up") that wind up sounding a little bit too much like Blind Melon for my comfort, but I don't mind. "Feel These Arms" (where they get a real good dance chug going, with horns) is probably my favorite track, followed maybe by "No Where to Run" despite its Melonness and "Hood of That '81 Ford" (one of the more country tracks) but even the mawkish stuff kicks in before too long:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/alanbros

Marvin Sease CD is way less gloppy and ballady than Matt suggests (or maybe I just have a higher glop tolerance than he does; see also the Alan Bros!); most of it gets a good '70s smooth-jazzy funk disco groove going. And lots of the songs have pre-old-school "raps" (i.e., talking as singing, sometimes like a preacher's sermon) in them, which are really fun. And sure, the opening track "Do You Want a Licker?" is awful if you want it to be, but it's just too silly to complain about; ditto the other bookend, a five-minute live "Candy Licker 2005." Also, the ballads are pretty good, for the most part. "Don't Forget to Tell On You" sounds kind of like "Tell it Like It Is." But my favorite cuts are probably "I'm Mr Jody," the backdoor man song that starts with an ominous phone call, and the 12-step fix-your-life number "I Gotta Clean Up." (Has anybody ever written a good essay about Jody? He's the guy back on the block who's having sex to your girl while you're in the Army, and I get the idea he shows up in lots of Southern soul songs: Doesn't Johnnie Taylor have one about him, too*? As do, I would assume, other folks.)

* - yep, I just checked Whitburn: "Jody's Got Your Girl and Gone," went to number 28 in 1971. (Hey, sounds like a good EMP proposal!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

having sex WITH (or) making love TO.
and courtesy of HIS new truck.

Ha, just noticed this on the Alan Bros page, how cool!

>Mel "Alan" Pachuta brings to the band awesome natural ability and years of Bass playing. With his band the "Human Beinz" Mel enjoyed great success and toured the world with hits like "Nobody but Me".<

Also sounds like their r&b/boy band harmonies might come from gospel music, judging from their page (though they're also blues fans).

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

(Not to be confused with '20s white blues country duo the Allen Brothers, who were great: They've got "Maybe Next Week Sometime" on the *Mr. Charlie's Blues* comp on Yazoo and "Drunk and Nutty Blues" and "Chatanooga Mama" on *White Country Blues: 1926-1938 A Lighter Shade of Pale* on Columbia/Legacy, and if you can track down their 1973 Old Timey Records reissue LP *The Chatanooga Boys*, you should.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Johnnie Taylor was the king of Jody songs. "Standing In for Jody" and "Jody's Got Your Girl and Gone" are just two; I mean every song he does is kind of about Jody-ism in some way or another. I am a nut for Johnnie Taylor (I like Johnny Taylor a lot, too, and Ted Taylor, the Louisiana soul singer, is also excellent--so I think an EMP paper on the Sooper Taylors would be good!!), and Taylor is also the king of fucking-around songs. There are these nifty new Stax reissues that includes stuff by Frederick Knight, the Dramatics, etc., and if you ask me one of the very best Stax albums-as-albums is Johnnie's "Who's Making Love," which is the typical collection of singles but which really has variety and which totally hangs together. "Hold On This Time" has a great Cropper riff, cubist guitar, and "Woman Across the River" is one of the best Stax blues ever.

I only know the older, cunnilingual and happy to oblige, ma'am, Marvin Sease stuff--he's really good. "Marvin Sease" on London from late '80s is a good 'un. One of those artists who've been working the I-55 corridor from Memphis to the Louisiana border, forever.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, a Taylors EMP report would probably be really interesting, but I was thinking (theoretically, not volunteering!) more in terms of one about Jody himself. Who was he? And how far back do Jody songs go? Did Johnnie Taylor invent them? Or does Jody show up in blue songs during World War II or something? Was he a real person, like maybe Stagger Lee? (Was Shine who swam the Titanic a real person? I forget.) Seems like real *Mystery Train* mythology stuff, and I'm surprised nobody has tackled the research (unless they have and I just didn't notice, which is very possible. I haven't even done a google search.) (Also, do I only associate Jody with making cuckolds of military guys stationed overseas because I was *in* the military, and he was always showing up in cadences used while marching and/or running? Or is that his main deal? And otherwise, to what extent if any does he exist outside of the culture of Southern blacks--who, when I was in, seemed to make up a sizable portion of the Army?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

This could really be hella interesting, absolutely. Is "Trapped in the Closet" the Ulysses of Jody songs?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Trent Willmon's debut was one of my faves of last year (though it actually came out October '04). "Beer Man" is kinda by-the-numbers but still worth a kick; "Dixie Rose Deluxe's..." is a brilliant list-y thing with a different spin on just what a man will do for a pretty girl; "Home Sweet Holiday Inn" is effective enough of a tearjerker that Holiday Inn actually licensed it (after the fact) (even though it's about custody agreements and divorce!). The rest of the album is sprinkled with equal parts good Texas honky-tonk - well, as much as Sony Nashville'd allow, at least - and some sub-Billy Currington blandness. But overall, great stuff. The first single off his new one is kinda in the same blandness ballpark, but I'm just happy as hell he even got to make another one; I picked up the first one in a cutout bin for $0.99, and there were at least 10 more copies there after I picked mine up.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's some info I found while googling Jody songs:

http://soulfuldetroit.com/archives/10238/9918.html?1079610632

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post. Taylor didn't invent the Jody song. Jody / Jodie / Joe the Grinder are pretty common figures in blues tunes.There's Louis Armstrong's "Jodie Man" which makes the "GI Joe de man" connection explicit. I wouldn't be surprised if that military connection is at the origin, though it's obviously gone through lots of transformations.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'd forgotten Joe The Grinder. I used to own a copy of that *Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me* prison-rap comp (on Smithsonian or Rounder or something?), and I think there might even be a Joe the Grinder rhyme on there (I *may* even have mentioned it in the pre-rap rap chapter of my second book). Anyway, this link from the link above has great stuff about Jody Army cadences; also says Johnnie Taylor himself learned about Jody while in the military:

http://p211.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm4.showMessage?topicID=153.topic

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Matt and Thomas, interesting that you both like Trent Willmon, or liked his last album anyway. His new one just strikes me as really stodgy and immobile. Like I said, the songs are there; I'm just not convinced the singer is. Dude just plain doesn't seem like he'd be much fun to have a beer with. He seems all work and no play, no matter how much the words try to convince me otherwise. But if you hear it and like it, definitely tell me what I should go back to.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Willmon's new one came out yesterday, xhuxk? If so, I'll pick it up this weekend. I won't be entirely surprised if I agree with you on this one, considering I wouldn't be surprised if the label (Sony Nashville) straitjacketed him into a bunch of more "commercial" songs to get some sort of return on their investment (nothing from his first record went top 30 on the country singles chart, and they tried four different singles). I'll be sad - I think his first one showed plenty of personality, and I liked that he wrote little liner notes for each song on the CD - but I won't be shocked.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Just got an announcment from Universal Nashville, they're going to all-download-only promos.

don (dow), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

was that in an email, don? i don't think i got one (but then, i may not be on universal nashville's emailing list now; i'm not sure.) either way, an ominous omen for the future, as far as i'm concerned.

three things i learned while reading a kelefa sanneh review in the times this morning:
1) "someone is me" on blaine larsen's album (the clean-up-exurbia song, which for some reason i kept calling "someone LIKE me" above when really its title means "i AM somebody") is apparently also a track on the new kenny rogers album.
2) a cover of "girl next door" by saving jane, the original of which i still don't think i've ever heard, has apparently been added to the new julie roberts album, though it's still not on the advance CD i have, which i've barely listened to at all because i keep forgetting i have it because it was sent in one of those long skinny cardboard greeting-card-like sleeves that record companies send advance promos in sometimes and that hides it from my eyes.
3) trace adkins apparently also did a version of "break down here," off julie roberts's first album. i bet it wasn't as good as hers.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"Hello to all, Universal Music is proud to announce, effective immediately, the digital distribution of all advance and final music via email and the Promo Only program/player. Most of you are probably familiar with this delivery in working with our sister labels (Interscope, Geffen, Verve, etc...)" Goes on to say we will "receive a 'welcome' email that will walk you through registering. Should you have any questions or problems with the system, feel free to submit your feedback through the specified links that will appear at the bottom of each email notice." I'm sure that will work like a charm. Oh, speaking of ol' obsolete promos, anybody ever get a new release date for Ashley Monroe???? (Yeah, I keep forgetting about Julie, got that about the same time as Ashley; seen Julie's new vid a couple times, looks and sounds pretty undistinguished)

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, but that doesn't say promos will *only* be sent via download, does it? Only that you *can* download them. I mean, it doesn't say they're going to stop snailmailing them. Or am I reading it wrong?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

im listening ot the new blaine larsen, i like the writing, but im not sure i like the rest...

can we talk about the sexual politics of the new toby video

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, why do you always ask permission to talk about everything?
No offense, but that really drives me nuts. Just talk about it, like everybody else! (I mean, do you really think anybody is going to say, "No! We definitely CANNOT talk about the sexual politics of the new Toby video"?)(I dunno, maybe it's a Canadian politeness thing.) (Riddle: How do you get 50 drunken Canadians out of your swimming pool? Answer: Ask them nicely to get out of your swimming pool.)

So I just got got emailed the new Julie Roberts CD from Mercury, downloadable via links. So maybe Don is right. A wave of the future. There goes my daily walking-to-the-mailbox-down-the-block exercise.

xhukx (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Hell no, you can't talk about it, unless you voted for the new Canadian Conservative regime, and are going back to Iraq with Toby! I assumed, when they xpost said "all advance and final music via email and Promo Only program player," they meant ALL, ONLY--but, now that you mention it, maybe not! Let's ask! Although I never got that much from them anyway, I did review what I got, like Shelly, Terri. So would be good not to have to screw with downloads, since this ol computer don't digest 'em very well. They've been sending those regular email downloads for a while, but those were just individual tracks, weren't they. Anyway, I'll ask Amber.

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, that Toby video, you mean where he's sealing her in behind a brick wall, only turns out he's bricked HISSELF in? And she gets all disgusted at his male incompetence and goes upstairs. That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen, although the song is okay. (I nail his sexual politics in "Friendly Ghost Of A Mullet," see Voice archive.)

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm....doesn't seem to be up on youtube yet (though the song title might help), but speaking of sexual politics, i did find this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqbGru-1sq0&search=toby%20keith

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

all advance and final music via email and the Promo Only program/player

Why do you guys even care? It's not like you're going to do anything about it, like write something pointed and critical. "Here, take this shit and eat it" -- is what that p.r. statement says. Why not ask how much and what color?

"Promo Only program/player" is another piece of digital rights management software you get to download to your machine for the "privilege" of listening to a promotional copy. Yeah, sure, the company is going to make available unencumbered digital music files.

You're so used to having sand kicked in your face, now you've come to like it.

Oh, heavens, they'll take me off their e-mail list if I complain, then I won't even get the tips to the promo links.

You wanna bet they continue sending CDs to newspapers? They know the people on staff get flooded with material and, boy, isn't it smart to just give them a reason to ignore your product because the day's already too long and corporate network rules frowns on the downloading of outside executables to the system?

Some of you might want to consider, once you've downloaded a bunch of different firm's "audio content managers," what that means to your operating system when you're trying to listen to music that ISN'T mediated by either of them. Or what if the same piece of music is mediated by both at the same time?

Oh, my computer acts squirrelly now! Even more than usual! It runs slower and slower. It crashed and I had to get someone to make it work again. Now I can hardly play any music at all on it.

Yes, ask the P.r. person. They'll certainly tell you the unadorned truth and make your life easier.

Don't be mean, now. Don't say you're doing a story. You'll get taken off the digital promo list. You'll be deemed not cost effective and sub-worthless. Ow-ow-ow-ow-ow!

xpost

I want to know where the youtube post of "Haji Girl" is.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

its creepy, has a sort of silence of the lambs vibe, there are sections wwhere it looks like he is going to rape and kill her, and then all of a sudden, he bricks himself in and well yeah he makes it a funny...

truly odd

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

xp: nah, I doubt I'll be downloading much if any of what I'm sent, Urnst. And I've got no qualms about telling the labels that, if they ask; I've got nothing to lose if they're not gonna mail me their shit regardless. I'll listen to that Julie Roberts thing on the CD I got sent three months ago. Next one, I may just skip. Which just means I'll have more time for cdbaby and myspace bands (most of whom, oddly, have no qualms about snailmailing promo CDs. And you don't need anything fancy to hear their stuff online, either.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Hooray I am in the US but at an internet caff so just a quick mention that the sleeve of Ted Taylor's "Keeping My Head Above Water" is one of my favourite soul covers ever: he's up to his neck in a sewer and has a cute little green frog on his shoulder. Not his best record, though, as I remember. Nothing as good as "She's Got A Munchy Tunchy" or "(I'm Just A Crumb In Your) Breadbox of Love".

I've been listening a lot to Toby's "Pull My Chain" as recommended upthread and I like it a lot, which is only really strange because each successive song seems to be am essay in the kind of thing I don't relly like. But I can persuade myself that the strength of the material pulls it through. I should probably stop worrying about it really and get on with enjoying it.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I got that same e-mail from Universal. I'll give Lauren a call there and see what the ding-dang deal is. I mean I have fucking dial-up and so it's slow; and I don't have any kind of great speakers set up with my Mac or anything.

I thought Kelefa did a good job on Blaine and Julie, but don't know about "Someone Is Me" as "fogeyish." I guess I don't get "exurbia" exactly, either, but more "lower middle classville" or something, which might be more or less the same thing in the Pacific Northwest where Laren's from? And of course I find the bit about folks looking askance at BL as he prays in a diner a bit perplexing, like Blaine's gonna strike a big blow for acceptance of Christianity in exurbia? Which for me really locates Blaine in some other place than the traditional country-audience area--like the Pacific Northwest, where I'm sure there are far more agnostics and "freethinkers" than here in Tennessee or Indiana or wherever. Or am I offbase here, can we talk about it...?

I cannot bring myself to listen to Julie Roberts right now...but I do kinda like this Hacienda Bros. record, "What's Wrong with Right," where they cover "Cry Like a Baby" and the Intruders' (?) "Cowboys to Girls." not much of a singer, but a good groove.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 15 June 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

And you don't need anything fancy to hear their stuff online, either.

That's for sure. They even have mercy on the dial-up connection. Perhaps they know where their audience is and wish to optimize opportunities.

Anyway, that distro plan would automatically bite it on a dial-up. Hey, digital rights management and I don't see why, a year from now, they just ask ya for your credit card so they can charge you a nominal record-keeping fee for the privilege.

Now kids on their schools broadband or mom and pop's broadband, that's cool. Do the job from the Internet caff. You'll have all the broadband you need and just pay the caff's timeshare and you can download that promo copy and listen to it in the shop. Hey, I'm at the Internet caff right now maxing to the Witchfinder General live in '83 recording.

Let's just contact the p.r. ladies and get this all straightened out.
But it was such a jolly e-mail. "Hello to all, Universal Music is proud to announce" and you will get a "welcome." Roll out the welcome mat!

oddly, have no qualms about snailmailing promo CDs

No doubt because they're not part of a set of corporate "achievements" someone wants to be able to put in a memo at the end of the year.

(1) To fight leaks and cut costs, maximized use of technology by moving all promotional distribution to copy-protected downloads on the Internet.

Truly odd, this is a piece of malice, with a sort of silence of the lambs vibe.


George Smith (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 16 June 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Tim, glad I didn't lead you astray with Pull My Chain. He seems to be trying to get back to that approach, which always was his approach, basically (with "Courtesy Of The Red White And Blue" and "The Taliban Song" extreme extentions of his novelty-paranoid-macho, which is there in the ballads too, or some of 'em). But none of the songs I've heard (haven't heard all of) Honky Tonk U (resting or White Trash With Money have grabbed me, not like the old stuff. So I'd suggest that you might *try* working your way backwards: def. How Do You Like Me Now?!, then Dream Walkin' (may not have punctuated those titles quite right), Blue Moon; heck, even Boom Town, and maybe the first (self-titled), although I don't remember that one too well.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

anthony, i can see where you're coming from with the toby video, the first time i watched it i just kept waiting (and hoping) for the "catch" b/c the buildup is really sadistic and actually made me squirm a little - seeing the girl tied up and struggling, no matter how badly she jilted him, is more than a little unnerving, so when the punchline comes at the end it's almost more of a relief than anything else.

wondering too how much of the intended audience gets the reference to cask of amontillado - there's been several pop culture nods to it in the past (the simpons comes to mind), so maybe it's become such a part of the lexicon that the source doesn't matter anymore.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i totally didnt get the poe reference, but the shovel bit is what really upset me, and that the trough looks like a coffin

i think that toby is going from strength to strength, though i like the early work, he has grown in sophistcation and delivery

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

George/Ulrich, you will be disgusted to know that I did indeed go crawling to the throne of my contact, and she decreed" We will keep you on the hardcopy list so that you will still get cds. We'd appreciate if you give the program a chance b/c it's so convenient and the quickest way for us to get you new music promptly but understand that not all are compatible with this. And just know that you don't have to download the music to hear it. Of course, it still requires you sitting at your computer. " Ho ho, yes! But I sill haven't received the "Progam/Player," and this internet cafe of which ye speak requires going to the (other side of) the Beeg Ceety cross the river, for something that may well not be worth the effort. I'd rather be disappointed in the comfort of my own home. But we'll see, and hopefully being kept on list for UMusic CDs means actually getting them, unlike being kept on list for Dixie Chicks CDs, on that other label, the one with the root kits, so I won't be checking out any of *their* downloads, thanks.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Well now, that's a good exercise in shit sandwich dressed up as a hot dog and Coke. "b/c it's so convenient and the quickest way for us to get you new music promptly..." Except it's neither convenient or that quick. Check the Netflix model of digital distribution of things much larger than music discs. The mail, the mail, the mail.

Now, if they were honest, they would be telling you that they have instituted this program in an effort to staunch leaks. Weeding out the sub-optimal and non-cost-effective is a side benefit. Cutting costs is probably optional, because the company had to pay some other firm to develop their software rights management Hitlerware.

The movie industry tried this a year or so ago, with something that the newspaper movie journalist would install as hardware in his home, attached to TV. In other words, a special player, and then the encrypted movie disc would be furnished, and a special code would have to be input. And it flopped. Movie critics, who are higher on the totem pole than musicjournos, voted it down with their feet by not cooperating.

For the benefit of milchtoasts who will go along with the plan, here
this link, again, reviewing what an entertainment company will install on your computer for the privilege of playing their music:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0547,smith,70217,22.html

Now, just multiply that by two or three times over the course of the year if you have to download different pieces of Hitlerware from other record companies. Why, they'll battle and get mixed up. And you'll be sitting at your machine wondering why it's so sl-o-o-w
and the CD tray keeps popping in and out or your computer says you no longer have a CD player, or Windows Media Player, says file not found, or incompatible coding, or something else impenetrable.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Word. Oh, and Ashley Monroe's debut, one of the verrry few major (?)label country releases worth writing about this year, will prob be out in late October, I've just been told. Though still no date. Will also be "slightly different," and certainly there's room for improvement, so I've also beseeched my betters for amendeded.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

re Toby's video, I sent Chuck a copy of this mag a while back: Nashville Music Guide. astounding illiterate free rag local to N-ville, and with photos that make *anyone*--David Frizzell looks drunk and 140 years old on the cover of the June issue, and even the unknowns like "Nickia," posing in a chair on the same page as Marty Raybn, look not so hot--worse than they really are.

anyway, their writing is all I ever aspire to, as this Editor's Note on p. 3, headlined "Toby You Are Cool, But Your Latest Video Is Not."

"I'm a big Toby Keith fan and consider myself miles removed from being in the 'Fem Nazi' group and love video's (sic) that are sexy and show gals partying in bikinis, hot pants and sexy bras." (OK, I'm halfway with him so far...) "The members of the latter group (sexy bras? naw, Fem Nazis) consider these songs and videos abusive and degrading to women, and I'm the first to say 'Hey, you need to get a life. Sex is fun and part of every western culture in the world.' (like the emphasis on western culture, man knows on what side his pita bread is olive-oiled) However the physical abuse of women is a sensitive and controversial topic. We had seen the topic in Garth Brook's (sic) video 'Thunder Rolls' and The Dixie Chicks' 'Earl Has to Die' and now in Toby Keith's latest video 'A Little Too Late' directed by Michael Salomon. Someone in A&R forget (sic) to tell Toby the former two had a basic anti-abuse message and not a pro-abuse message. Tying up a woman in a basement, threatening to hit her with a shovel, having a wooden coffin to bury her, and building a cement wall to prevent her from escaping are beyond fun. (I'll say!) The only thing I liked about the video is at the end is Toby's plea after he realizes that he has trapped himself in the basement with the brick wall he built and pleads with his girlfriend to help him. The fun part of this vide (yeah, sic, sic) comes a 'little too late.' The message of this video is "Physical Violence Against Women Is Cool', which is NOT COOL....Toby you are too good of an artist to put your name on this video."

This is the real country-music writing. I read this magazine every month, even when it is "beyond fun."

And check out this prose from "Musicians Spotlight" on "Tab Laven" by JB Bruck:
"He plays guitar for Art Garfunkel...he's been on the Tonight Show hangin' with Johnny, Doc & Ed...he's been Harry Connick Jr.'s merchandise manager...calls 'The Long & Winding Road' his favorite song & may have a little astronaut in his blood...meet the incredibly talented Tab Laven..."

But shit, now I ain't making fun of Tabatt Laven, birthplace Minneapolis; he's hung with Doc & Ed, and for real, he's also played in Art's road band with the likes of Steve Gadd, and has six women walled up in his East Nashville basement as I type this! Beyond Fun!!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Toby has been listening to *GnR Lies* lately.

"I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
I had to put her six feet under
And I can still hear her complain."

You think he'll cover "One In a Million" next?

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I never got one of them Universal emails and I can't say I'm bumming. However: will this player thing work for Macs? I don't know if I want to know the answer to that. The whole thing is too fucking ridiculous but I reckon there's a generation of 20something journos who view it as manna in their mailbox. And Urnst is prob right about the leak paranoia. The Johnny Cash American V came with a terse borderline threatening letter about watermarking and copying etc. Still played in iTunes ok. Problematic record but the problems evaporate whenever that voice destroys everything around it--which is most of the time.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Well yeah, if they wanta thrill the youngfolks, who think this here download is the bee's knees, I reckon it's the way to go. But it'll never last, by cracky! (No offense to the artists, but do people really want to leak Blaine Larsen and Trent Willmon? Is there a market for that, freebie or otherwise?)Edd, thsnks, it's good to know that cville writing hasn't changed since those fine specimens lovingly embalmed in Tosches' mid-70s Country. Yeah, that nasty streak in Toby did tend to come up in the interviews, once he could afford to keep bringing up all the suits who fucked with him (also lovingly embalmed, if pickled 'n' sour). Mediated in the music, as serious kidding (the vengeful crazo "living inside your radio, sending you a wakeup call"--literally, in the video!). But outta hand when he gets to "we'll put a boot in your ass"(politcal use of "we" and "you", but don't look now, it ain't him nor us, presumably). The current vid tries to joke on it at the last second, but very stewpud.His first bad video, h'mm.

don (dow), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I suppose one advantage of download-promo fascism is that it'd prevent predicamants like my current one, in which i got an advance of the new billy ray cyrus CD in the mail yesterday (which seems to include homages to lynyrd skynyrd and dale earhardt and duets with george jones and hanna montana), and i lost it before i had a chance to put it on. it's around here somewhere though, i swear.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

when you find it can you tell me if it has a song called i miss my mullet, and if it does, if its as much a peice of genius as i think it is

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I saw that on there. Track 2, I think.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

found it! found my korpiklaani CD, too (they were both vertically wedged in where i couldn't see them, incorrectly alphabetized). the song's called "i want my mullet back," a country-rocker, and not bad, on first listen -- he misses his camaro and zz top eight-track too; you get the idea. "i wanna be your joe" (sort of mellencampish) sounds at least as good, as does "lonely wins," which has a dance-rock beat stretching things out and a rockabillyfied vocal and a guitar solo. the one i really hate so far is "country music's got the blues," with george jones and loretta lynn, which is just a list of dead country stars; i got two verses into that and decided to skip the rest. (so THREE eulogies to dead people; I haven't listened to the other two yet.) then i listened to the miley cyrus duet about standing up for what you believe (no specifics, natch) just 'cause i never heard her sing before and um, the song probably stinks but she sings pretty good i guess and so does her dad. then i listened to the "hidden track" (which isn't hidden on my advance), "pain in the gas," and before you say it's about time (though it probably is), note the "blame bin laden or sudan, iraq or iran." "grab that nozzle and bend over one more time" made me smile, though. and at least he does direct the song's last line to "mr. president," for whatever that's worth. (ps: julie roberts also finally in the CD changer this morning. so far, the title track "men and mascara" sounds really good, and the rest has been boring the living heck out of me. then again, how many really good songs did her debut have? two or three?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah. (I posted about Eddie Hinton on the "Judy In Diguise" thread, cos your description of Butch Hornsby kinda reminded me of him, but that thread's gotten sidetracked recently,so I'd import my post to here, but I don't know how to do that)

don (dow), Sunday, 18 June 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

although the song is incredibly goopy, jamie johnsons the dollar, really quite moved me. i think it might be the cynical timing, cutting the sugar of an overworking father, or the usual excuse that daddy songs do me in every fucking time, or something to do with his voice, a large man with a barrel chest, and broad shoulders, his intimate barritone becomes so tender, and soft when relating the story--i think the single might be on my list

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 18 June 2006 07:42 (eighteen years ago) link

oh boy, hadn't thought about a singles list, although those Dierks tracks they're still working are sounding better than ever, cutting through current smog of apathy (Dog Days started early this year). Albums so far include: Jessi's Out Of The Ashes, and probably Electric Rodeo; Rebel Meets Rebel; Legendary Shack Shakers; the Gourds(the way they mess with "roots" is funny and fluent, though Serious moments can drag); Ashley Monroe, probably. (Whether the tweaked version is better or not, her album, with all its flaws, which I blame on the producers, is a piquant listening experience--good n' bad, there's nothing else quite like it, which is one of the main requirements for my Top Tens, of any genre.) Maybe Chatham County Line's Speed Of The Whipoorwill. Black Sage was recorded in 1998, I think xxhux said, so maybe one for Reissues, with Heartworn Highways, and maybe the Big Bill Broonzy box I haven't listened to yet, which comes out in Sept. Also got some indie I need to listen to, ditto the Chicks and Dylan, whenever I get 'em. Must be some major label/mainstream possiblities I'm leaving out--??

don (dow), Sunday, 18 June 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

here are my running lists, which are a mess and permanent flux. The ones that get "?" are ones where I'm probably stretching the definition of "country". (I.e., the only reason i'm listing leanne kingwell is apparently because it's gotten some country airplay.) What y'all can do is tell me where you'd draw the line with these

ALBUMS
victory brothers/ leanne kingwell? /huck johns? /carter falco/korpiklaani?? PROB TOO WAY METAL BUT IT HAS LOTS OF FOLK POLKAS FROM THE OOMPAH FOREST ON IT /dale watson /toby keith/redhill EP (PROB TOO OLD)/carrie underwood/blaine larsen/dixie chicks/penny dale/ jamey johnson /shooter jennings /riverside PROB TOO OLD/shannon brown /lucas mccain/hank davison band? /irma thomas/oddysey band /dahlia Wakefield PROB TOO OLD/ uncle billy's smokehouse/rhonda towns /red swan? /shawn camp / southwind

SINGLES
carrie underwood = before he cheats /(shooter jennings - hair of the dog)NOT A SINGLE/penny dale - gypsy cowgirl (DO MYSPACE DOWNLOADS COUNT AS SINGLES?)/samantha joe - time for summer EP TRACK/ huck johns - oh yeah (ONE OF HIS LESS COUNTRY TRACKS, SO PROBABLY NOT)/ redhill - all night long (2004 EP TRACK, TOO OLD?) /redhill - rooftop (2004 EP TRACK, TOO OLD?) /b-star "bootleg dreams" EP TRACK/ hot apple pie - easy does it/ (shooter jennings - little white lines)NOT A SINGLE/chris cagle - wal-mart parking lot/ kt tunstall - black horse (200, PROB NOT COUNTRY ENOUGH)/dierks bentley - settle for a slowdown

2006 country reissues james talley - got no bread, no milk, no money, but we sure got a lot of love: 30th anniversary edition / lazy farmer /classic country: sweet country ballads /the duhks - the duhks fonotone sampler MAYBE NOT OLD ENOUGH FOR NASHVILLE SCENE BALLOT ASSUMING THERE WILL BE SUCH A THING THIS YEAR

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

by the way, edd was right about the first blaine larsen CD (which he sent me his extra copy of) being even better than the new one. maybe a *lot* better, and way less downcast than i'd assumed at the time given the teen-suicide hit off of it (which i really like; just don't think i could bare a whole album of such gloom.) "in my high school" is amazing (didn't christgau vote for it as a top 10 single that year?), a teenage sociology map worthy of *why music sucks.* and i love the song about being the best man at his stepdad's wedding to his mom, and then one (a la chely wright's "back of the bottom drawer") about how all your old failed relationships prepare you for the one that works, and the shawn-camp-penned one about running away from the circus to join real life (which is not country, musically; it's circus music -- like, what, "tight rope" by leon russell, maybe? but really, like a circus. where do those carnival/merrygoround type rhythms come from, anyway? i am totally clueless. i've always just thought of them as circus rhythms, but did they originate in eastern europe centuries ago or something, maybe? and blaine does them a lot more pure than leon or, say, blue magic in "sideshow" or, uh, i guess three dog night in "the show must go on" [actually i forgot how that goes] did; almost could be kurt weill or something, weird.) and the debut's mexico song is better than the new one's mexico song, and the one about preferring to watch stupid human tricks to movies is good (attention deficit country!). and i guess that's the same one (one of two convincingly humble that's-only-my-opinion songs) where he says he wishes country was more george and alan and brad, which surprisingly doesn't even come off at all stodgy or purist, maybe because neither george nor alan nor brad has ever made an album of material this solid. so edd, you say these were all actually demo versions, or based on demos, or what? can't be the former, unless merle haggard dropped in to blaine's high school one day. plus, blaine doesn't get songwriting credit on ALL the songs; only most them, and only partial credit in most cases. (i love the liner note letter from his school gal pal to her friend of the family in the music industry; wonder if that's really how he got signed?) also, dude looks like he's 12 years old!

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

and yeah, don, cdbaby lists black sage (which otherwise would be way up high on my list too) as '98. "reissue" might be stretching it (cdbaby may have posted it years ago as well), but hey, who knows?

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

and oops, the duhks *your daughter and your sons,* which came out in canada in 2002,is the one i meant might not have been recorded long enough ago for nasvhille scene poll eligibility, not the fonotone sampler (which was recorded decades ago). (don't they have some rule stipulating that reissue music must be at least five years old?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, Himes said "at least five years old," so that's why I'd list Black Sage that way. The Fonotone sampler was recorded way before that, of course, but I got it last year, so didn't he also say like Best Of 2006 entries would have to be issued in 2006, not snuck in from ("made most of its impact in") 05, like the Voice 'llowed? Also,the only reason I didn't put the sampler on my 05 was cos it wasn't commericially available. (Or was it? Assumed not, cos single-disc Best-Of-The-Box thingies usually come out some time after the box.)Heh, slow as country songs get worked, most of this year's top Singles list will (quite legtimately) be from last year's albums, judging by last year's Singles list. (If Scene doesn't do it, we can do it here, o course, unless somebody wants to set it up with a real publication--or we could set up a blog for it.) The only one of those that I'm familiar with, that I'd xpost draw the line at, is Kingwell. yeah, some country play, but most of it, like 90% just doesn't have a country feel (musically, and also it's not neurotic enough, not in a country way). xpost circus rhythms seem like they might have some from hurdy gurdies and "street organs" (used to have an album of field recordings of the latter, from Copenhagen, etc)

don (dow), Monday, 19 June 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

so edd, you say these were all actually demo versions, or based on demos, or what? can't be the former, unless merle haggard dropped in to blaine's high school one day.

I talked to Larsen about that first record before I wrote that Scene piece, Chuck, and he told me that except for one song, which one I'd have to consult notes I don't have in front of me at the moment, that whole first album is demos. It could be that Merle's contribution (Larsen told me they've never met; it was added later, I guess) is the song that wasn't a demo? And everything I've read about that first record backs up that it was composed of demos; and if you listen, you hear that the sound quality, while perfectly fine, isn't quite what they get on 16th Ave. S. Apparently Rory Feek and Tim Johnson and Larsen made the record on their own and then, when they self-released it and they had a hit with "In My High School," I believe it was, out in Seattle, then that started the ball rolling to get with BNA--Giantslayer, whose offices you can see driving down Music Row, is basically Feek/Larsen/Johnson, set up to make records for Blaine. So I think I was accurate there. I also said in the lead of that Scene piece that he "writes many of his own songs"--to have said "co-writes many of his own songs" struck me as stylistically inelegant (Beyond Fun!!) and anyway, that a young guy like that had *any* thing to do with writing his own material for a major-label country record struck me as pretty amazing. He also told me when I talked to him that one of those "Off to" songs was just him overdubbing himself, in his garage!

I'll go back and consult my notes--I can't remember at this point which of those "Off to Join" songs was added later; and for that matter, I've never seen the original, self-released version of that one, either.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

here we go, here's what happened with that first Larsen record.

and this raises a real interesting point about how things are done in Nashville. I did a thing on Mark Nevers at the same time I was working on Larsen's, and Nevers (who cut his teeth engineering at The Castle in Franklin, Tenn., one of the big ol' dinosaur recording studios, where Alan Jackson, Jones, et al ad infinitum, recorded) who's not exactly a shrinking violet in his opinions, went on about how the immaculate, or nearly so, demos that artists bring to the "real" recording session, are the blueprint for the finished product and thus preclude any deviation or looseness. In other words, the demos are basically almost as good as what you hear on the radio, and this seems to be the case with Larsen--they were done here but probably weren't done in a totally top-flight tracking room. One man's demo is another man's super-audio...anyway, below is the story, from something BNA sent me. Larsen throughout my talk with him referred to the songs that ended up on "Off to Join" as "demos." I probably should've quoted him directly!

the 18-year old Larsen recorded and was set to release his debut album, "In My High School" on his producer's own independent label "Giantslayer Records." When a Seattle-based BMG distribution employee emailed the label head of RLG Nashville, Joe Galante, Galante liked what he heard and signed Blaine to the label. But instead of recording an "all new" album as is usually done, BNA asked them to record one more track and also added Merle Haggard to one song. They changed the artwork and title.

The new song is one which was previously recorded by Jerry Kilgore, "That's All I've Got To Say About That"

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, cool. And thanks for the info, Edd. And just to be clear, I wasn't accusing you in any way of innacuracy (and hadn't read your Scene piece, actually); I was just trying to figure out for myself how they could be demos. (How, for instance, he got ahold of a Shawn Camp song. Though for all I know they know each other, or that's a cover version, or none of the above. And cdbaby addict that I am, I totally agree with you as far as self-released records having professional sound quality indistinguishable to non-studiophile ears like mine from Nashville; real often, I can't tell the difference.) (Still, "self-released" isn't *exactly* the same as "demo" in my book, especially not when there's an actual regional hit involved. I tend to think of demos as CD-R's with no CD cover or name, and half the time with words magic-markered intelligibly on the disc itself!)

Don, you're right about the Nasvhille Scene poll literal release date rule; technically, Carrie Underwood's not qualified for my list either, I guess. Doesn't necessarily mean I won't (or wouldn't) vote for her; literal release date rules are dumb! That said, I still think I'd have a hard time voting for an eight-year-old album I didn't hear until this year as a "reissue" if it was never actually reissued. (But that's my own self-limiting rule, not yours o'course.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

>words magic-markered intelligibly <

(or unintelligibly, as the case may be.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, Chuck, I didn't think you were givin' me a hard time; and when I talked to Larsen, I went, huh? when he said that first CD was demos! I made him say it again. and shit, I wish I had written down what song he said was just him on that first record, too. what's so interesting about Nashville is just the level of everyday excellence in performing, songwriting and recording, where a demo sounds great (and I don't profess to have super-ears, just pretty good ones--a lotta times I go visit my buddy Blair Keso, who's a real tech guy who can tell me what mic someone used, what techniques were used to record, etc., and he has quite possibly the best fuckin' turntable/amps/speakers/CD players I've ever heard, and I remember playing Dierks Bentley's last one there and hearing how tinny it sounded--it sounded tinny at my place on my quite serviceable setup, but his equipment is unforgiving).

I'm just real interested in *how* things are done here--and I am lucky to have visited Nevers' little house off 8th Ave. S. and seen the stuff he uses. And on the new PF Sloan record recorded here at Jon Tiven's, you can hear how what seems to be not-great equipment hobbles that record. As Keso pointed out to me, you can rent the world's greatest, hot-rodded mics here in N-ville, so if you have even a decent budget there's kinda no excuse for things to sound less than great. Not that I totally believe in all that pristine stuff, but I do appreciate it. No matter what anyone might say about the actual music or songs on a typical big-labe N-ville record, they mostly sound great, altho Nevers maintains that they've become more compressed than necessary, more pinched-sounding, as labels became somewhat less singles-driven (therefore, they want everything to be potentially a single, and master/mix/compress everything to fit into radio bandwidths far more than they used to).

It really hasn't been a great year for big-label country so far, has it? I forget, did Carrie's record come out late last year? What about Allison Moorer's record? No Depression gave it a good review, ditto Chris Neal in the Scene; I frankly haven't had the heart to listen to it, since I disliked her last depressive Stones/Aerosmith ripoff so much. And she's married to Steve Earle? How is that, for god's sake? And I tried to like Ralph Stanley's new collection of Carter Family songs, but I just can't get into it at all.

So far, Jessi Colter's record might be my fave, followed by Jamey Johnson's debut, followed by Blaine L.

And Talley's reissue, that's amazing.

I don't know right now if there's been any thought put into the Scene's country poll. I guess I could find out. I am supposed to go have a beer with Tracy Moore the new Scene music editor at some point soon, and maybe I'll ask her then.

I do know that the best *record* MADE in Nashville I have heard so far this year is Lone Official's "Tuckassee Take." A Nevers production. And OK, I am a well-known sucker for that sound of Television-style guitars and Pavement semi-skronk, and this record definitely plays off those conventions, but I swear it's an impossibly elegant record, with gorgeous pedal steel that's used intelligently and organically, and thematically, it's about as southern-fried as you can get--the leader Matt Button hails from Looieville Ky. and is obsessed with horseracing, betting, and feeling bereft in the Big City of Nashville, and I think he's an amazing, droll lyricist, and the record sounds amazing. I mean, most Nashville pop bands are so lame--there's a crop of them right now that everyone's raving about, like Lylas, the Pink Spiders, the Clutters, and many more, and try as I might they all sound like the Zombies deballed. No meaningful eccentricity, all toeing the indie partyline, where, to my ears, Lone Offical sound genuinely nuts, genuinely obsessed...and you know me, I often think Nashville lacks true obsession when it comes to pop music, real mania. (We're back now to the overly apollonian demo-thing.)

But I stray from country, and now back to giving Ronnie's CD one last spin before I do my final draft.


edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

My lists might be more varied if I was on any promo lists; I tend to cherrypick from what I glean from CMT, and buy the albums myself. No order yet.

Singles:
"Life Ain't Always Beautiful," Gary Allan
"Are You Sincere," Bobby Bare
"Settle for a Slowdown," Dierks Bentley
"Believe," Brooks & Dunn
"Living In Fast Forward," Kenny Chesney
"Can't Let Go," Anthony Hamilton*
"Bring It On Home," Little Big Town
"I Still Miss Someone," Martina McBride with Dolly Parton
"When the Stars Go Blue," Tim McGraw
"The Seashores of Old Mexico," George Strait
"Your Man," Josh Turner
"Don't Forget to Remember Me," Carrie Underwood

*Haven't decided if I'm actually gonna include this - I mean, to me he's pretty gutbucket soul, which says/signifies country to me. Anyone else? I mean, I know his last album got some Scene votes...

Albums:
Taking the Long Way, Dixie Chicks
Brokeback Mountain, Soundtrack**
Precious Memories, Alan Jackson
The Road to Here, Little Big Town
Greatest Hits, Volume 2, Tim McGraw***
Your Man, Josh Turner
Stand Still Look Pretty, the Wreckers
Living with War, Neil Young**

**Technically December '05, I think. Voting for it anyway. If there's a poll, that is.
***Technically this isn't a reissue? That's how I'd classify it, but...
****Again, not sure if I'd call this country, but it's kinda got that feel, at least in spots.

Reissues:
16 Biggest Hits, Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash
(That's all so far, though the Big Bill Broonzy box thing might make it on.)

Anyone know how best to get on promo lists, particularly from companies that still send out little shiny metal discs via the mail?

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Promo lists: I dunno, sometimes it just happens. Send a million emails to a million publicity departments, and you may get on a few. Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to get *back* onto promo lists that I was on only a couple months ago, when I was employed.

Today's mail looks promising, though, from a country perspective, and I'm guessing may well effect my year-end reissues ballot:

Tom T Hall *The Definitive Collection* (Hip-O) (Lots of overlap from *The Essential Tom T Hall,* it looks like, but quite a few tracks differ, and that was on vinyl and this one's a CD so there you go)

Ronnie Milsap *My Life* (see below)

Povertyneck Hillbillies *Povertyneck Hillbillies* (on Rust Records out of Ohio; their first "national" album, supposedly, though most if not all of the songs if not recordings look like they're repeated from the locally released Pittsburgh album *Don't Look Back* I mentioned up above, which I swear was in no way a demo to my ears.)

Johnny Rodriguez *20th Century Masters: The Millenium Collection* (this is the one I'm most excited about! I've always wondered about him, and never heard enough to have an opinion. We'll see. Oddly, he appears to have the same haircut as Ronnie Milsap on HIS CD cover.) (I'm excited about the Milsap, too. Edd, I'm just curious: Any idea what Milsap's *nationality* is? These photos are making me curious.)

The 2006 (mostly) country reissue I've still yet to get to the bottom of (thanks to it having two discs and 46 songs) is the Yazoo *The Stuff That Dreams Are Made Of* comp I mention way upthread somewhere. That could wind up on my list, if I ever decide one way or another whether it's got enough songs I need to keep on my shelf.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

The Milsap is his new one, xhuxk?
And rather than wade through the 1K+ messages upthread, what do you (and anyone else) think of the Yazoo comp (so far)? I've been flirting with that one...

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha, that's my whole point; I dunno. Seems way too daunting to try to play it start to end, but in my 5 CD changer it's hard to get a grasp on what I've heard and what I haven't. There are definitely some great tracks though. Just this morning I decided that I absolutely prefer "Wild Cat Rag" by Asa Martin & Roy Hobbs to "Sweet Mama" by Yank Rachel with Sleepy John Estes and Jim Jones, fwiw. (As for what I say about it upthead, why not just search the CD's name?)

And yeah, that's the new Milsap. Sounds good so far!


And Thomas, Matt Cibula talks about Anthony Hamilton in re: country upthead. And Little Big Town's album is technically old, from last fall; I voted for it last year, though I wish I'd rated it higher. (And Edd, yeah, Carrie Underwear came out around Thanksgiving I think. The problem with these dumb literal release date rules in critics' polls is that late-year releases tend to get screwed, especially when they're the sort of pop-oriented albums which don't really make their greatness known until they break a couple hit singles. Which is why Pazz&Jop stopped using the rule back in 1979.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

what the heck, Thomas, here's me upthead (i.e., not much, and since I left "That" out of the title it might've been hard to search):

>Also slowly exploring the two-disc, R Crumb-artworked new Yazoo comp *The Stuff Dreams are Made Of: The Dead Sea Scrolls of Record Collecting!: Super Rarities and Unisseued Gems of the 1920s and 1930s.* Quite a hodgepodge, united as the title suggests not by genre but merely by how hard the records are to find, never a good sign, but I'm liking pretty much all of it regardless and loving lots of it, including tracks by Dock Boggs, Andrew & Jim Baxter, Ollis Martinn, the Three Stripped Gears, and especially Wilmer Watts and the Lonely Eagles. Those are all on disc 1; haven't touched disc 2 yet. <

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, xhuxk. And yeah, dumb me forgot about Little Big Town being '05; same thing with Carrie's album (which, fortunately, I voted for last year). I'm so with you on the whole literal release date thing, grrrr. Heck, if that doesn't apply this year, I'll vote for Carrie's album again, and it'll probably be my #1 (in the Scene poll, I mean).

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I woudn't have followed Himes's literal release date "rule" (I'd already broken several of his rules in prev years, big shit), but did follow the thought that the Fonototone sampler was promo-only, at that point, since box samplers usually come out later, once the bloom is off the geek fever,if any(as far as I knew, but should have followed up that thought by checking). xpost remember Rosanne Cash's 10-Song Demo? She also said it was the exec's idea to put that out, rather than re-recording. Dunno about Nashville, but Kate Bush and others have said they've been frustrated by inability to transfer the basic feel of the demo to the Real Studio product, which might be one reason she takes so long (so why doesn't *she* put out demos? Hooked on the grandiosity of R.S.? Maybe she feels as committed to the system as most of the remaining major label country stars, and those who are so determined to be major, etc., at least at this point). (Good thread about Dynamic Range Compression, that's in the title.) xpost Tuckassee Take: that's the Lone Official's T for Tucky, T for Tennessee take on things, eh? Yeah, my old Kentucky Woman, b. in TN, is as passionate, talented, "nuts and eccentric" as can be, and I sure do miss her. But even at a presumably safe distance--well yall know email was made for moodswings and mine/mindfield tirades (but I'll have to check out the L.O. for sure)

don (dow), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

what nationality is Ronnie Milsap? good question. he almost looks like he's got some "native American" (don't know what else to call it) in him. he grew up in the western part of N. Carolina, and went to a school for the blind in Raleigh. so, could be he's part Cherokee or something?

his "Day in the Life of America" is pretty great on the new 'un; sort of an answer record to Lee Dorsey's great "God Must Have Blessed America" from his last LP, "Night People" (which has been reissued on CD, and highly recommended to those who're like me and can't get enough Allen Toussaint). (and musing on Lee and Allen and country music the other day over a few beers with friends, we decided that Lee Dorsey could've easily applied his liquid voice to country music! there's nothing on the face of the earth that makes me happier than hearing Lee Dorsey sing.)

and good point about Carrie U. and end-of-year stuff. One record I forgot to mention that I really like is Shawn Camp's "Fireball." Excellent piece on him in the new No Depression--I had no idea of the breadth of his talent and accomplishments. Goes hunting with John Anderson, has songs covered by Blake Shelton, hung out with and wrote songs with Roger Miller's son, plays a mean mandolin and guitar, was a respected sideman, and got his second album axed by his label because it didn't sound like John Michael Montgomery! G. Himes did a piece on Shawn for the Scene and I originally thought Himes had really overstated his case; I still think he overstated it a little bit, but that's a really fine record, sorta the modern Billy Swan I guess.

Finally, heard from Yuval Taylor, who's writing a book on the '70s and is somehow making a connection between Big Star's Radio City, Gary Stewart's Your Place or Mine and John Prine's Common Sense. I had made Yuval a burn of that great Stoney Edwards LP, "Mississippi You're on My Mind," and he declared, "Man, that is the greatest country record of the '70s!" It's so nice to have friends who are such enthusiasts.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeez, Chilton, Stewart, *and* the Dark Rind Of The Prine! That's one frenched frenz connection I don't wanna think about right now (not no more please). Thomas, I think Haiku said somebody sent him a book to review just because of freelancementalists, not because they knew about his pro writing. (He did review it and I could look it up in Archives, what he said about who sent it etc., but I gotta crash now) So, whether that was the exact deal or not, it might well be now, so try telling 'em about your fine blog (might call it a "blogzine"?), couldn't hurt. I bet some of the cdbaby artists would go for it, at least (not "least" quality-wise). Oh yeah, saw Brandi or Brandy Carlisle on some late night show recently, real good young pop, then saw her in newspaper, captioned "country singer." Is she that, or a bit of that, a bit of other, like Hope Partlow, Leanne Kingwell? (I'm guessing she's less country,and less teenpop in the usual-to-extremo sense, than Partlow, more so than Kingwell.) In same paper, a recent picture of The Duhks' Jessica onstage, hair still short and white, but soft, nimbic even, not spikey, Tattoos across collarbone and shoulders kinda bluegreen algae though, at least in newsprint.

don (dow), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe this should be best single (or best reissue?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGsl0IXPZGI&search=dr%20hook%20cover%20rolling%20stone

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i know its not really country, but this one might beat it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYe-XEHYDo

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, just saw Martina do "Til I Can't Make It On My Own," on Tonight Show. Gaw-juss! Strongest and bluesest (feeling-wise, not literally) since "Where Would You Be," at the CMT Video Awards, back when they were still called Flameworthy: little thumbsup, with a virtual flame flickering out of the tip, like out of a lighter, down in corner of screen, the whole time she reached for the heavens, in her gleaming white pants suit and bodice, and couples slow-danced in the aisles. Long hair that night and now, she should always have it, makes her strong! xxhuxx said that Timeless, the covers album this is from, aint' so good, though (who did this song originally?)

don (dow), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a Tammy Wynette tune. Great song.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i doubt she can out tammy tammy

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 22 June 2006 07:59 (eighteen years ago) link

She can't, Anthony, but she's not trying - she's just giving the song her own spin. I'm a big fan of Timeless myself; it made both my Scene and P&J ballots last year. The album of McBride's career, hands-down.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 22 June 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't hate Timeless the way some did. It feels a little clinical, a little lacking in imagination, but it sounds good in the background and Martina has rarely sung so craftily.

New No Depression showed up today. Just started Edd's long feature on Frank Black. Also long pieces on Candi Staton, Irma Thomas, Elvis and Allen, and Los Lonely Boys.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Timeless seemed useless to me -- A good singer following the rules, playing teacher's pet to the Defenders of Good Taste. Her previous album was infinitly more interesting. But I've said this before.

New Ronnie Milsap album is great, for his singing if for nothing else. I'm astounded. Has he always been this good? My favorite cut is "Somehwere Dry," but at least four other cuts ("It's All Coming Back to Me Now," "My Life," "Time Keeps Slipping Away," "Local Girls") are on the level of "A Day in the Life Of America," which Edd rightly raved about up above. Most of the others aren't bad; only one I can't stand is the closer, "Accept My Love" (= "except my love," yuck), which my CD changer naturally kept graviting toward. One of these days I'll get more specific songwise; right now, I'd say it's got a shot at my top ten on basis of listenability alone. And as far as ease of r&b soul emoting goes, I'd say Ronnie's right up there with T. Graham Brown, at least judging from this album.

Nowhere near as good (which might say something about how great the Milsap album is): Johnny Rodriguez's new hits CD, which mostly just passes right by me innofensively; not much to like, not much to dislike. The one great cut is "Ridin My Thumb to Mexico," which has only the slightest hint of Mexico (mere seconds of mariachi-like guitar) in its music; there's no Tex-Mex anywhere else (so much for Freddie Fender comparisons), though in "Love Put a Song in My Heart," where said stealer of goats comes closest to Christgau's Englebert Humperdink comparison in his '70s book, he does sing a line or two in Spanish. I also like the Mann/Weill penned "We're Over," and also "(Just Get Up And) Close the Door," and it's hard for me to dislike any version of the Eagles' "Desprado," I guess. Beyond that, shrug. Most of these were apparently # 1 c&w singles, bizarrely. Someday maybe somebody will explain how that happened.

The Tom T Hall best-of is a weird selection, schlockier and way less eccentric (since there's way more later stuff, and only one track from *In Search of a Song* for instance) than *The Essential Tom T Hall.* Only a couple of the cuts ("I Care," "You Show Me Your Heart I'll Show You Mine") make me cringe, though, and most of the later stuff would be pretty special coming from most anybody else. So, a pretty good intro for people who don't know him, and still pretty informative for me. A keeper. But not the one I'll usually put on.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Has that 2 CD Storyteller box of Tom T gone out of print? That's a pretty solid selection.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

the t ribute album is also shockingly excellent.

i dont hate mcbride usually, i dont like her, and i often find her middle class melodramatics either patronising, silly, or batshit insane (and only independce day worked), and people keep telling me that im wrong--and you know what, techincal singing doesnt mean shit to me, and shes too precise in her covers for the album to be interesting

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Those two live-on-TV listening experiences I xposted are by far my best impressions of her, though never heard a whole album. She should do a live album, seems like. Nick Tosches wrote a Creem feature on Johnny Rod, who was then (the late 70s, I think) one of the very few non-geezer country stars, or male starlets, as T. pointed out. So maybe that's why they let him do "Desperado" as a single or at all, and why it was a hit (he was an oasis/forerunner of the Young Country trend? Though when Hank Jr.led that "We Are Young Country" singalong single he was young mainly in comparison to Willie, etc) But also maybe why he had to cover the bases by sounding like Englebert, so as not scare off geezer (and geezerwashed) listeners? Just speculating. Also, country Biz wisdom was at lose ends then, not like now of course.

don (dow), Thursday, 22 June 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

This new Ray Wylie Hubbard album is nasty and funny and loud electric blues. It's like an early ZZ Top album with a warped Okie preacher gesticulating about the animal kingdom and other sacred and sinful subjects. Like how "there are two kinds of people in the world: the day people and the night people. It's the night people's job to take the day people's money."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 June 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of him ( the "Up Against The Wall, Redneck Mother" connection), I'm writing about Jerry Jeff Walker (yep, he's still around). Any thoughts, anybody?

don (dow), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i want to know more about him, what ive heard i love to peices.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 23 June 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

new povertyneck hillbillies album on rust records turns out to be pretty much exactly the same as their album from last year on cort records, almost exactly the same song order even, with only the negligible "go crazy with my heart" and the non-negligible fastball cover "the way" (which i'm assuming they may have hit a legal royalties snag or something with) removed. the songs sure don't *sound* like they've been re-recorded or anything, though i could be wrong. bonus disc is a dvd, presumably the same one they'd put out on their own before (track listing looks very similar, and it's got a mini-documentary about them just like the earlier one did, but damned if i'm going to view them back to back to make 100 % sure...) anyway, it was a good album then, which means it's still good now.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always had a soft spot for JJW's early records, Driftin Way of Life and the self-titled album that has "Her Good Lovin Grace" and "Hill Country Rain" on it. He's the most folkie of the three-named Texans, and that can be kinda refreshing at times. Still, he's never really seemd to try very hard, which I suppose is better than trying too hard, but his songs (with the exception of Bojangles) are just really really light, like invisible air light, which, again, might be one of the appealing things about him. I have no clue if any of his post 80s records are any good.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

yep, Ronnie Milsap sings so damned well on the new 'un. I wish the songwriting were just a bit better, but shit, this is a good record. unfortunately, the first single "Local Girls" has stalled. Plans afoot to do an "Essential" on him later this yr. And, The Most Intelligent Use of Jew's-harp in a Country Song (This Year) in the first song. I even like the stoopid south-of-border thing he does where he mentions banana Moon Pies and Carlos Santana and a super-woman with year-round tan and limes (I heard it as "lines" the first time I heard it, shit, Ronnie, watch the drugs man!) in her purse. (Altho I am Eating Better these days, occasionally I gotta get a banana Moon Pie and microwave that thing; they're, like, enough calories for a third-world person for a day, but mighty good.)

I have never even *listened* to Jerry Jeff. But I'll ask anyway, even tho I am no fuckin' help: I'm interviewing Guy Clark next week, doing a thing on him for a brand-new outlet I'm beginning a Relationship with. What about 'im, anyone? I got about half-a-dozen of his records from various places, including the new one on Dualtone, and of course I got "Old #1" amongst them--so, are those 2 RCA records his best? I got some listening to do over the weekend!

Finally, Roy's obit of Grant McLennan might be the single best thing I have ever read on the Go-Betweens. "They sound rootless, nearly immune to the pleasures of R&B, soul and country." Beautiful. I have to say, I get sorta lumpen throat when I hear "Darlinghurst Nights" these days, because I'm sorta living with memories and death a bit too closely right now. Great tune. And Barry Mazor on Shawn Camp is just superb, too, as I pointed out above, I think.

Lone Official at Springwater last night here in Nville were just amazing. Not country, not even rock and roll, jazzy in that post-skronk way but just fucking tensile and intelligent, and above all heartfelt, even visionary. Whatever obsessions are fueling their leader, Matt Button, keep at it; and their new package of 3 45s he graciously gave me at the show is just amazing, too--graphically and musically briliant, suggesting: some kind of new post-Southern southern mythopoeia, Robert E. Lee ain't dead at all and staggers drunkenly thru a subdivision that sits on the Battle of Nashville site and makes a collect call to bet on the Preakness, and when he loses his money shoots himself outside the Ryman Auditorium. Again: I think their "Tuckassee Take" is some kind of brilliant record, definitely on my top ten of the year at this moment.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, Edd, ask Guy about Jerry Jeff, apparently they met in Houston, waaay back, and collaborated in various senses at various times, according to various accounts (lots of shit talked about JJW, but some of it is true, apparently). Good Guy tracks on the Heartworn Highways comp, listening companion to the early 70s doc, expanded on recent DVD, I think (CD and DVD each have songs that didn't make the original movie, and the DVD has some the CD doesn't, but not sure how that applies to Guy specifically; then again, it was filmed in his and Susannah's house and yard, so def worth checking out). One of his songs on the CD is about pirates along the Texas coast: picaresque, even! Lots of funny songs on that album, but didn't know he ever did stuff like that (tend to agree with comments on robertchristgau.com about tendencies toward sonic tightness and dryness on his own albums, esp. his voice; one of those good writers who can be too self-censoring, seems like)(but some good material for others, of course)(though always bugged me how often the chorus of "Desperados Waiting For A Train" keeps slamming into the mood of the verses--I know, it's supposed to be jarring, but becomes annoying/moneyshot, like in "Angel From Montgomery," though some vocalists have made those work anyway)I will def have to check out Lone Official!

don (dow), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, stop. But gracias all the same. Anyways, Guy Clark: worst phone interview I've ever had in my long short life. I swear to god there was a point in between questions that I could hear the ice clink in his bourbon over the line. I wanted to crawl into a hole and croak. I bailed and asked if I could speak to Susannah. That went better. Which album is the best? Impossible to say. Old Friends means a lot to me (has one of Emmylou's greatest harmony parts on the title cut) and Boats to Build is terrific. But that live overview, Keepers, is pretty remarkable. When he's on, he can cut more performers than you'd guess. Email me if you need stuff. And, fuck, email me anyway with contact for Lone Official. I need to hear these guys.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 24 June 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, Don and Roy. Roy, I'll stop; I just kinda fell in love with that last Go-Betweens record, quite unexpectedly, like when you see a woman you thought was plain and then one day you realize you can't get her out of your head, and she looks beautiful. And ditto "Horsebreaker Star," which is just great.

I got that LO record from Mark Nevers; it's apparently only out as a UK Honest Jons import, altho I think Astralwerks is planning a release sometime later this year. I'll see about burning you a copy, Roy; I have no idea how to get a promo from Honest Jons, and I guess I need to find out in Astralwerks has any they can send.

Guy Clark: yeah, I think it's a bit pinched, sonically, and "Desperadoes" does kinda strike me as clunky. I mean I have to confess, that whole Austin myth, I've never bought it, and I just don't know about any song with "Desperadoes" in it. But he's good, and I think I get why so many love him, and the Austin thing. I hope he's not drinking bourbon when I talk to him (if he is, he'd better go ahead and offer me some!), the interview's supposed to happen at noon so who knows.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 24 June 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the *verses* of "Desperadoes Waiting For A Train" were good: kid gradually coming to see the limitations of his childhood idol, and then...But the chorus is overdone: maybe overwritten, esp compared to verses, and contrast, which could be jarring to good effect, gets annoying. Same deal with "Angel From Montgomery": one of the best verses I've ever heard in any song is, "How the hell can a person/go to work in the mornin/come home every evenin/and have nothin to say?" To that tune, especially. Be interesting to hear both choruses maybe just at the end of the song, that could be killer, Ah suspect. Turns out Jerry Jeff's got a song, "Blue Mood, " that seems to be a letter to Guy, saying he's heard they ripped off Susannah's songs, just like they did Fred Neil's. Maybe that's why she never seemed to write amny, as far as I knew. "I'll Be Your San Antonio Rose," and-? That's the only one I can think of now.

don (dow), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure there are more but Sussana also wrote or co-wrote "Come From the Heart" ("Dance like nobody's watching..."), "Black Haired Boy," "Old Friends" and one of my favorite Guy songs "The Cape." I gotta dissent from the dissent about Desperados. I think it's one of the most moving and vivid and honest songs about growing up and growing old I've ever heard. And the refrain is perfect. How could it be anything but an ironic take on Texas/Western myth? It's hardly glorification and it's a mistake to separate that refrain from the narrative. Growing up, the boy felt like he and the old man were cool desperados, and the boy wants to go on believing that. But no, he finds out. An idol who the boy once saw as a legend from a Western movie turns out to be another sad, pathetic old man with tobacco juice dripping down his chin. But a man still worth loving. The man, by the way, is a real person: Clark's grandmother's boyfriend, a wildcat well driller, who taught Guy how to "whittle, spit, cuss, drive a car and sit up straight."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I get what he's trying to do, and does do, basically. I've probably heard too many of the wrong (tearjerking and/or labored) versions. But Coe does it pretty well, in the midst of other songs about trying to face mixed feelings/images re heritages, a good theme for the time especially, on Mysterious Rhinestone Cowboy.

don (dow), Saturday, 24 June 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

This has nada to do with country, but: Jesus H. Christ. THE BELLRAYS. Believe the hype, even if there isn't any. I just saw one of the best live shows in like forever.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 25 June 2006 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

heard good things about them, tellus about it! Speaking of Jerry Jeff speaking of Susannah Clark's songs, here's a bit of her "We Were Kinda Crazy Then," which he recorded:
We were kinda crazy then, needin lovers more than friends,
Songs on my guitar, you said were like flowers for your scars,
May you find a friend tonight, may he finally treat you right,
Can you find the same moon I been starin at all night.
Always keep your moon shinin, like some bullet bright,
While this old world wears its heart like a big bullseye,
Don't you ever let them teach you the right from the wrong,
But did you ever find out who wrote that pretty song.
We were kinda crazy then, needin lovers more than friends,
Songs on my guitar, well they're there for you, they always are,
May you find a friend tonight, may he finally treat you right,
Can you find that same moon I been starin out tonight.
There's a man in the moon, darlin'.

don (dow), Sunday, 25 June 2006 07:02 (eighteen years ago) link

> THE BELLRAYS. Believe the hype<

Not on their records, you shouldn't. (Live, I've been told otherwise. But the idea that she's a "soul singer" or "Tina Turner" or whatever people call her these days is totally wishful thinking.) (And are people still comparing her band to the MC5? Jeez...)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 25 June 2006 08:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I've only heard a few cuts from the new album, which I like, and I think Lisa Kekaula can be called a "soul singer" without doing violence to the term. I wouldn't go so far as "Tina Turner" or the MC5 though. They were hellacious last night--gnashing and thrashing and crashing about on stage, jumping into the crowd--but I'd had a few beers!

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 25 June 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I suppose she's got more soul music in her singing than the chick in The Gossip (or the guy in TV on the Radio), I'll give her that. (But actually, I liked Lisa K's album with Now Time Delegation a few years back more than any of the Bellrays stuff I've heard.)

Either way, glad you had fun at her show! I should see her sometime.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 25 June 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Well Tina x MC5= Good Idea, anyway. xpost hey Thomas, you review for Stylus, that should be legit enough to qualify you for promos, if all your own blogs aren't. Don't you get any that way, since they have a "Promos Director" and all...?

don (dow), Sunday, 25 June 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Not from major labels.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Monday, 26 June 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I've decided that I've been drastically overrating Carter Falco's album (which nobody else has even noticed existed, so no harm done) on this thread. I still like it -- he's a ramblin' man with decent tuneage -- but the dude just plain doesn't have much of a singing voice. Which might explain why he's buddies with Shooter Jennings.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 26 June 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

gary bennett human condition, i really like.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

actually i might not, im confused by it

also anne powers is a genius:
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-kenny19jun19,0,4820682.story?coll=cl-nav-music

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 10:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Apropos of nothing in particular I was listening to "The Bumper of My SUV" last night and it occurred to me that the little piano figure at the start (it's repeated later in the song) sounds just like the opening notes of the French national anthem, which may be some kind of melodic Freudian slip.

On a soul-country thing, (which I know we were for a little while a while back) while in the States I picked up an LP by Diana Trask called "Miss Country Soul", produced by Buddy Killen in 1969, as far as I can tell featuring largely Joe Tex-related material, sleevenotes by Joe himself. It's about as convincing as Joe's "Stone Soul Country", i.e. not completely but has some fascinating bits and some brilliant bits. Diana sings fairly straight country 1969 style (i.e. a mixture of pretty much every singing style available to humanity). She tends to fall down with the uptempo numers: SYSLJFM is a worse version even that the Q-Tips', and that's saying something.

Seeing George Jones play live to a mostly-pensionable Lancaster, PA audience was an experience, I can tell you.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Toby Keith's *White Trash With Money,* which nobody else has much talked about, really holds up. Just played it this morning for the first time in over and month or two, and I'm now rating it as the year's best Nashville country album, hands down. Is "A Little Too Late" the new single (with the reportedly antifeminist dungeon six-feet-under video, which I still haven't seen)? If so, people should try to hear it apart from the video, because to my ears it's got some of Toby's most explicit soul phrasing ever. Also, I don't think I'd noticed before how good "Can't Buy You Money" is. Only real sore spot: the obligatory numbskull political statement "Ain't No Right Way," which sounds more lame ever time I hear it, and also naggingly sincere, hence way less fun than Tony's usual numbskull politics.

Tim, you're right that that's a real good Kenny Chesney article by Ann Powers (though "Jump" is hardly Van Halen at their most metal!)

All this talk (much of it by me) of soul-country obviously makes me feel very stupid for getting rid of the Charlie Rich albums I used to own; he's clearly the father of this stuff if anybody is (though late '60s Memphis Elvis clearly figures, and I bet Glen Campbell, too.) Also, what about Joe South? I need to research him one of these days. And how good was O.C. Smith' non-green-apples stuff??

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

TOBY'S not Tony's numbskull etc, duh.

New video still doesn't seem to be up on youtube (country youtubers are slow! or maybe just busy in the summer), but I did enjoy this description by "jerryleekersey" of the video for "He Ain't Worth Missing" (which I don't recall ever hearing/seeing before, myself):

"man, this chick in this video is HOT! i mean HOTTT! video is from toby's early days, video is about this girl sitting at the bar with her ex in the same bar and she keeps looking at her ex with his new girlfriend, while toby is just hoping to get sloppy seconds from her. video is pretty good, what would have made this video great was them two girl cats fight and toby break it up and get both of them chicks later. Be sure to check out my other videos."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Mp4zFo7PI&search=toby%20keith

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha, more from jerrleekersey:

"loverboy-this could be the night
04:12
i absolutely love this song!, cant get better than this one. i wished the radio station played tunes like this again. things i miss are stone washed 550 strait leg levis, velcro wallets, izod, dirt-shirts and most of all i miss my mullet!"

"rosanne cash-i dont know why you dont want me
03:21
good video, damn shes a cutie! great song, great on the eyes as well. love that spike hairdo. rare video here/ Be sure to check out my other videos.If you'd like a cd of my RARE VIDEOS for FREE you pay the shipping of the cd, let me know."

"quarterflash-take me to heart
03:32
its 4 in the morning and i am posting videos for all to see. i hope you enjoy this one, i noticed it wasnt on here, so here it is! enjoy. Be sure to check out my other videos. If you'd like a cd of my RARE VIDEOS for FREE you pay the shipping of the cd, let me know."

"lita ford-lisa
04:15
she was a babe in the day!"

"heart-stranded
04:00
This is off the brigade album. great video and song. Nancy's voice on this one equally matches Ann's. I think I actually like this song above all heart songs. NOTES: drummer looks like he's bored out of his mind. also nancy gives thumbs up at the end as if to say hey i dig that you bought this album, then she points as if to say hey security, theres the guy who is currently "stalking" me. cause i left him STRANDED! Be sure to check out my other videos. If you'd like a cd of my RARE VIDEOS for FREE you pay the shipping of the cd, let me know."

"air supply-making love out of nothing at all
05:03
soap opera acting at its best. i dig this song though. listening to air supply is like riding a moped, fun to ride just dont let your buddies catch you! girls melt when you play air supply, pour her some iced cold coke a cola with secret hint of crown royal. boom your the man! thank you air supply! blame your 1st kid on "slipping a mickie""

"julian lennon-valotte
04:16
great song and video, this is one of those songs that you can sit on park bench and watch birds poop on your lunch basket and not care. relax and enjoy this great video."

"richard marx-dont mean nothing
04:26
video is great, cynthia rhodes is one hot babe in this video, richard got the hit, got the girl, he got the money, dang! just goes to show you the mullet wasn't that bad! it worked for him, it still works for gloverboy, i say if you can grow it, go for it, you may reap the riches"

"huey lewis and the news-if this is it
04:28
recently saw huey and band, great show in memphis in may. gloverboy and i and our ladies got a little wet from rain, but IT WAS WORTH IT! i owe huey a christmas card, his show got me some from the ole'lady later that night. thanks huey! Be sure to check out my other videos. If you'd like a cd of my RARE VIDEOS for FREE you pay the shipping of the cd, let me know."

"cliff richard-we dont talk anymore
03:58
i remember hearing this song on the radio in 1981 and thought it was cool. its still cool! great all around. I used to have a shirt like that one he's wearing. I never danced like that though. but who cares, what i remember about those days is if you didnt have a jacket with the sleeves that zipped on and off you werent cool. i didnt become cool until last year when i "FINALLY" got that jacket. LOL. Be sure to check out my other videos. If you'd like a cd of my RARE VIDEOS for FREE you pay the shipping of the cd, let me know."

okay, I will stop now, I guess.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

MORE PLZ - that dude's awesome. i'm gonna hafta try that 'air supply + iced cold coca-cola with a secret hint of crown royal' trick.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, james asked for it; here's a few more by jerryleekersey (but I'm gonna leave out all the "get my CD of RARE VIDEOS" stuff this time). (Seeing how this is the country thread, I should note that his favorite country band seems to possibly be Little Texas. I have no Little Texas opinions, but should maybe watch their videos sometime):

rick springfield-human touch
04:31
video reminds me of a prefab buck rogers except rick and some of nasa's best jumpsuit beauties break out into dance and then captain rick pushed the wrong buttons and they have to go back into shower glasses only to emerge when rick can write another hit song.

rick springfield-rock of life
03:49
video i think rick is saying in 1988 i hate my lfe as a married man, he is also saying i miss getting young chicks so i guess i wont cut my hair! great video! pyromaniac director though!

rick springfield-bop till you drop
04:54
bop till you drop video is about "the man" deciding if you can do a good job singing than you can stay and work, maybe cleaning java the hut urinal later. great classic! i first saw this video on night flight and friday night videos back in the 80's when all we had was 5 channels on tv. dang im old!

kiss- i was made for loving you
03:56
kiss doing disco song. whats the big deal, they didnt sell out then. its a great song, great drum beat. if anything they sold out when they put back on the makeup and had a farewell tour that lasted for 10 yrs, the only thing worst is an ex girlfriend saying im leaving, im leaving, then is still standing in your doorway 15 min later. I love kiss. they are a great band.

martika-toy soldiers
04:53
when i first heard the song, i didnt know it was a song about being hooked on drugs.

lou gramm-midnight blue
03:41
classic one here, man it was hard to find this one. the person i got this video from was from australia, he said "good tidings mate"!

anita baker-caught up in the rapture
01:54
cool video all around, video is kinda short, but great song, anita baker is great, i have always been a fan, nothing better after banging out to quiet riot then play anita for your headache, easy listening!

reo speedwagon-that aint love
04:37
great song here, did i mention that all my videos i am posting are rare, well this one is rare like finding your old pair of jimmy conners adidas's in the shed and washing them and wearing them again. gloverboy knows which shoes im talking about "the green mesh ones".

The Outfield-All the love in the world
03:40
Finding this video was like finding a $20 dollar bill in an old jacket, and not telling your wife about it! just take the money and buy yourself some taco bell, hell go on a splurge with the $20.00, buy the supreme.


xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 29 June 2006 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Since he's down with the cool vudeeyo, Jerlee knows from Yacht Rock, surely? (Though according to the Yacht Rock thread, it's over, gentlemen! Can't be, now that Taylor Hicks is Takin It To The Streets.). Anybody got a Rhino publicist addy? if so, please email me. I'm writing this big thing about Willie, and trying to score his Complete Atlantic Sessions, at least CD-Rs (though not CD-RWs), a best-of-the-box sampler, even. So, if yall got those or that, let's powwow. And stay smooth, in this street life.

don (dow), Thursday, 29 June 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim, I found that Diana Trask LP of Joe Tex songs, "Miss Country Soul," for a dollar last year. It's pretty unlistenable except for a couple tracks, but it's fun to listen to if you're in the right mood. and the liner notes by Joe himself make it worth the money. (In my case, a buck--if you ever go into the Great Escape on Broadway in Nashville, make sure to bend down and scrounge thru the dollar LPs they have on the floor--you'll find some great stuff. Actually, I found John Anderson's awesome "Tokyo Okla." LP for a dollar, at Grimey's, our local indie shop.) I just saw an amazing clip of Joe doing "The Love You Save" from this Hullabaloo comp! Wow.

Don, I might have a Rhino person for you--I'm doing something on their new Wilson Pickett two-disc bestof, and I believe someone sent me a publicist e-mail. I'll jump off here and see if I can find it; and Chuck, I just got the Toby, so I'm gonna see if you off the beam or not (what I've heard so far is pretty darned good, I have to admit, so if it's as good as you say it'll be a pleasant surprise).

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 29 June 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha I paid TWO BUCKS for my copy! Ever get the feeling you've been cheated etc etc.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 29 June 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

jerryleekersey deserves his own ILM thread. And his own column somewhere.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 29 June 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Yikes! I haven't posted here in 18 days.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 June 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

My Review for Left Hip, will be on site sometime in July

Garry Bennett
Human Condition
Longside Records


I am young man, and I have a different set of situations then Gary Bennett. Lets say that off the bat. For me there is no one to marry, few to love, and everything is in flux. This album is a lovely artifact, about marriage, love, stability, and desire. Even in the melancholy edges there is an agreement in the general direction of the world. My lizard brain wants to call it politically suspect family values bullshit, projecting outside anything that exists with in the album.

Ignoring that reactionary tendency, and listening closer: the album's strength is to escape the rhetoric of marriage, an incredibly difficult thing to do in a culture that loathes and worships it equally in either measure. When a coal company uses 16 Tons, and more people shack up then get hitched, any album that is mostly about working class love affairs, is going to get under your skin one way or the other.

Sometimes the skin-popping fear of pair bonding can be assuaged with cheap nostalgia (Toby Keith's song The List comes immediately to mind) or hard irony (the entire of Robbie Fulk's brilliant but problematic album Georgia Hard.) Bennett's work is incredibly banal, that banality works in its favor, it is not about the grind of every day domesticity, nor is it about making the women goddesses, the situations seem real to me.

Authenticity is a bear trap, especially fort this guy. His old band (BR5 49) was all about old country being more emotionally real then anything on the radio. What I assume to be emotionally real here may be a clever rhetorical exercise. There is something too formal about the album and that makes me a bit nervous. The words come to quickly, and there is no ambiguity or start-stop stuttering that one comes to expect from the dumb struck and in love. (Even the solos, that should be used to take over when words fail, show a technical proficiency that appears removed pure feeling; the exception is Pat Henderson's subtle, melancholic accent of mouth organ on the track Heading Home)

Caught in that trap, moving my leg and bleeding out, I listen to the album on repeat for a week, remaining confused. There are lines that are moving, sections that refuse to settle, spots so tender that to poke them causes internal pain. In Steel Ball, he extends clichéd metaphors about love into something more dangerous. This time love being a gamble, he makes himself violently shook up by it "like the steel ball in a roulette wheel/ tumbling tumbling rolling down hill/searching for the number that will give him the thrill." That thrill leaves him broken and broke. My Illusion is a grown up, whiskey soaked; break up song, about how faking it is impossible. The two songs that bookend the album, are about songs that outline the working mans condition here and now, including oblique threats towards physical violence against ones employer.

Its intended for the workingman, but the workingman is buying White Trash With Money or No Shoes, No Shirts No Service. Its an NPR yuppie album, a kind of high toned slumming but sometimes work that ends up like that packs a sucker punch. I wonder if I was 30 something, worked 40-hour weeks at a job I hated, and the only thing that ever made me survive was thinking "maybe things will be getting better some day" then it would be on my top ten list. I feel trapped by it, and not released from it. That's got to count for something.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 June 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

From the teenpop thread (and I doubt that anyone else here cares nearly as much about this as I do, but "Lucky 4 You" on the first SHeDAISY album was brilliant not only in concept - the three Osborn sisters acting out a woman with multipersonalities who runs taunting and salacious rings around the man who dumped her - but in sound too, new suburban country doing fool-around multiparts as if it were doo-wop; and Hilary Duff's "Come Clean," which Shanks wrote with Kara DioGuardi, is one of those songs like "I Can See Clearly Now" that the second you hear it you think has always existed, the melody seems so right; and the Ashlee Simpson albums that Shanks produced and co-wrote and played on, while fundamentally being mainstream rock, are full of nonstop inventiveness, melodies from lounge to glam, subtle shifts in guitar timbre, etc.):

I'm doing about as poorly with this year's SHeDAISY album as xhuxk is with the Jonas Bros. Where are the hooks, where's the passion, where's the ambition, where's the wordplay? It's got powerful enough playing, the guitars ringing out, strong pop-country voices, but what's there to care about? How did this woman (Kristyn Osborn) ever create "Lucky 4 You"? How did this guy (John Shanks) ever create "Come Clean" and "Undiscovered"? You can't tell from this record.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), June 24th, 2006. (Frank Kogan)

I could definitely use a second opinion on SHeDAISY's Fortuneteller's Melody. I've found a few things to interest me, such as a savvy turnaround in the meaning of the title phrase of "She Gets What I Deserve": "she" is her boyfriend's husband, first time you hear the phrase it means "she gets the man and the family I deserve," the last time it means "she gets the pain and suffering I deserve." (But that's a conventional enough country attitude; no surprise, really.) And "Kickin' In" does kick bright and hard whenever I hear it. But by the end of the track I'm still "so what" with it, as I am with the whole album.

The thing is, with any new Shanks product I have insanely high expectations, but unless he's working with one of the teenies, I also get secret satisfaction from believing its mediocre, since I can then say, "See, without Ashlee and Lindsay and Hilary he can't do it. Their talents are crucial to the enterprise."

By the way, Sheryl Crow is a co-writer on a couple of the SHeDAISY tracks, again with a so-what result.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), June 27th, 2006. (Frank Kogan)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 June 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"she is her boyfriend's husband" - er, now that would be interesting; but "she" is merely her boyfriend's wife.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 June 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

David Cantwell on the new version of "I Hope" on the new Chicks' album: "This is like trading in the Roman Candle you bought to celebrate our nation’s independence with a pack of those goofy charcoal snake pellets."

He goes over the top on the single, but right about the rest of the album, I think: http://www.livinginstereo.com/

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 29 June 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

That's excellent, Anthony. What's "Left Hip"?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 29 June 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.lefthip.com/index.php

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 June 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

from teenpop thread (though i just noticed that her myspace inflences list is much less country than her cdbaby influences):

vaguely country-leaning (i.e., her cdbaby page lists miranda lambert as one reference point, though hardly the only one) teenpop singer-songwriter music from an asian-american girl (album title: *american girl*) who apparently grew up in oklahoma and the phillipines and is now based in l.a. (i thought hawaii figured in there somewhere too, though i'm not sure how i got the idea -- oh wait, i guess it's the hawaii t-shirt she wears in the CD booklet); frankly, most of the CD isn't hitting me (her voice is smaller than i wish, for one thing), though i'd be curious to hear what the more shemo-tolerant (/vanessa carlton tolerant/michelle branch tolerant) of y'all think. closest thing to a great song seems to be "i'm in the way," about being drawn to bad boys (and it's got a really familiar pop melody i can't place); "2nd street" has the most r&b in it; "405" seems okay too:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/mylin

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=70795638
---------------------------------------------------------------------Actually, her cdbaby page says "Sheryl Crow and The Wreckers meets Miranda Lambert and Keith Urban," which makes her at least 75 percent pop-country supposedly, but she only sounds maybe 20 percent pop-country if that. I don't think I hear much Miranda, Sheryl, or Keith in her sound. She sounds how I would IMAGINE the Wreckers (who I haven't heard) might, though. Her look is maybe a much softer Pink.


xhukx (xheddy), Thursday, 29 June 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Diana Trask looks lovely on the cover of her Tex-t.

Hacienda Bros. new one, just thought I'd mention it. Country-soul, pretty pro forma, but quite pretty in spots. They do not do badly with "Cowboy to Girls" (Anthony, just think of the gender-fuck time-travel possibilities of this one if someone came along and gayed it up...it'd be the real companion to Keith Anderson's tale of jailed pedlophilia "Clothes Don't Make the Man.")

And they put an accordion in producer Dan Penn's "Cry Like a Baby," which they sound too old to sing. Gaffney and Gonzalez aren't the world's best singers. This would've made a nifty EP--it sounds really good, really warm, and I do quite like about three/four songs, including their nice take on Charlie Rich's "Rebound" and one they wrote themselves that's the title track, and I like their approach to tempo. They're good, but they never quite transcend the notion of soul-with-pedal steel, and they could sound a little more greasy and stoned, I guess, and get into real Sir Dougas territory.

New Guy Clark, "Workbench Songs," isn't bad, either--he writes a real sly one called "Cinco de Mayo in Memphis" and plays the blues on "Walkin' Man." What's interesting about Clark is that he doesn't seem to draw conclusions, and sometimes I think his narratives are uninflected. Hard to pin down what it "means." I actually think his singing has improved since the days of "Texas Cooking" (which is a really fine record). I guess I just wish his music were less received, more interesting, but he's just not interested in that.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 29 June 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

xhuxk - and any others interested - I finally got to the new Trent Willmon, and it's great, definitely my country album of the year so far. It's cut from the same cloth as his debut, only much better. The songs are stronger - that's the main thing. Single "On Again Tonight" is kinda limp on CMT, but in the context of the album sounds great. Album kinda alternates a little annoyingly between rowdy-ish lovin'/drinkin' songs and ballads, and admittedly it trails off a bit at the end. But then there's the surprise smack dab in the middle, track 6 (of 11), titled (whaddaya know) "Surprise." I first heard it on my discman on the train home from work, and actually sat there with my eyes bugged out to the point where at least one person was staring at me. Trent's subject arrives home to find his wife playing the dominatrix to his best friend - I'm not kidding, he even references leather and spikes! - and then he takes up with his buddy's (now ex-)wife. It's the kinda song that Toby wouldn't do because, I think, it goes too far even for him. (Maybe, considering "Stays in Mexico," I'm wrong.) This is the country single (if it was a single, which I doubt it'll ever be) of the year. xhuxk, you really owe it to yourself to at least hear this one song, though I recommend the whole album heartily. (Great production from Frank Rogers, too.)

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 30 June 2006 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I think you're right about Clark's voice, Edd, and I love "Cinco de Mayo in Memphis," which could be an album cut for Chesney or whoever. Didn't he write that one with Chuck Mead? (I think the BR549 album will make my top ten country albums of the year. So light and quick and the songs are really good.) But man is that "Analog Girl" or whatever it's called song a stinker.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 June 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost thanx for the Rhino contact, Edd, and I just emailed you about that (everybody, be sure to read the faq at rhino.com/media before trying to get anything from theeyumm) Great, Anthony, and that's a classic description of a kind of honorably confused or at least conflicted 90s/00s country album, usually under the wire, as far as good descriptions go (also sucesswise, except for small followers, many of them bargain hunters, God love us).

don (dow), Friday, 30 June 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

and I just finished, anyway delivered the Jerry Jeff piece. His collection of songs from his Tried & True label, 90s/00s is a model of how to put something like that together, to carry the lesser songs via sequencing and context, and they've all flowing (smoke-cured) shades 'o blue.(Although I've never listened to him, or to this kind of album, much before, and maybe I'll get sick of it.) Just wish he still picked some nervier covers, like that Susannah Clark upthread.

don (dow), Friday, 30 June 2006 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

edd
can you digitize and send those two songs by any chance? (i know i owe you a mix, its a commin')

don
thanks

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 June 2006 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Where's that gonna JJW piece gonna be, don?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 June 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

man you guys are some great writers and thinkers, I cant imagine not knowing you and getting to benefit from your intelligence and passion for this music

after just almost a full listen, I'm going to say that Darrell Scott's The Invisible Man is probably my album of the year, it's deep and folky and smart-without-being-too-smart like he gets sometimes and there is no better storyteller in country music today, and the melodies are three kinds of gorgeous. (cue Chuck to tell me 'those melodies are unmelodic and his lyrics are crap', usually seems to happen when I love something like this.) plus he covers a Stuart Adamson song and takes shots at the war (again) and SUV-driving callous assholes and all that, wonders whether God or the devil or true love will care when he dies, oh a great record indeed.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 30 June 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

well either that or the Dixie Chicks (whom Scott has written for) album or maybe something else.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 30 June 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, I guess I need to listen to Scott's album again. It made no impression. I almost always like his songs and I have a pretty high tolerance for "old coot" singersongwriters.

Speaking of which, this Eric Taylor (Nanci Griffith's ex-husband) record, The Great Divide, is killing me right now. Mickey Newbury and Lightnin Hopkins and Pall Malls are the sources. It's my old coot album of the year.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Roy, the Jerry Jeff shorty will be in http://www.charlotte.creativeloafing.com on July 12. Some recent longer, but also relatively well-behaved things (later loosened up for thefreelancementalists) are archived on there too: Chatham County Line (not yet blogged), Shooter,etc. Yeah, Darrell Scott contributed to the Chicks' Home and maybe earlier, I'll have to check out his album.

don (dow), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

well, guy clark's no one is frankly sort of jokey. light. i hear him as a really fine songwriter circling around meaning. it's a pretty laid-back record; i'm not sure what else there is to it. i'm not sure how much analysis his stuff can stand, or needs. i'm probably rarely in the correct mood for it, or for townes van zandt either. but those two clark RCA records are pretty choice, i must say.

i have trent right here, and now am going to put on "surprise." i've always suspected there was some dominatricks being performed in the new south exurban, hot summer, endless night; a vein of rich comedy is right here amongst us. i mean i'd probably be happy if all country music was about wife-swapping or at least serial matrimony among the two-boat, three lawn-mower and two-SUV set (and two votes for republicans, don't forget those two).

and right, don, you gotta read rhino's FAQs, get yo-self a password...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

well Mr. Edd, are you acquainted with "Margo and Harold"? They just keep coming over to visit their neighbor,Patterson Drive-By Hood, on Pizza Deliverance and Alabama Ass-Whuppin', which further distends butt does not disturb the evening vibe. They are adjusting to the erosion of old age (fiftysomething!), "horny and loaded," and, although fortysomething sprout Patterson's whiney little voice is very appropriate here, turns out he has shared Tupperware with them previously, so they may be uninvited tonight, but should not be unexpected...

don (dow), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

This one goes out to xhuxk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkkXpoObF40&search=Fulla

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 1 July 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, that rules, rockist, thanks! (country and western on rai? well, probably not rai. but country/mid-east fusion has tons of potential! Where is that from, and is the country thing new for Fulla?)

i am also somewhat coming around/giving in to the trent willmon album. i swear he still sounds really staid, in some way (though not nearly as staid as that new guy clark album sounds; i'll never get these guys who have such an aversion to putting, uh, some MUSIC in their music -- too bad, because Guy's songwriting is often good.) anyway, i like "surprise" (though it doesn't strike me as THAT outlandish -- maybe it would've if I hadn't received prior warning though, I dunno) and "so am i" and "sometimes i miss ya" and the blues gloomer "lousiana rain" and probably more. i just wish Trent had more surprise in his SOUND. Or color. Or maybe even leather and whips. There's just something real held-back about him that bugs me.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 1 July 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

He's a decent singer, though, and I was wrong about him being totally humorless. "Sometime I Miss Ya" is on now, and it started with a good yeee-haw and now he misses her high heels and big city lovin' and he's laid up on a creek bank with a cold one in his hand, and the whole point is usually he *doesn't* miss her. So: almost clever. And so maybe I'm wrong about him being staid, too; I'm still deciding. (Speaking of cold ones, though, his album starts with a song called "Good One Comin' On", and it's not a fraction as good as Montgomery Gentry's "Cold One Comin' On," but then few songs are.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 1 July 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

(and actually what the arabian-or-whatever* squaredance video that rockist linked to most reminds me of is border-cowboy mexipop songs and videos by people like jenni rivera, which brings us back to the whole latin/middle-eastern crossbreed that's been happening forever.)

* - and duh, the notation beside the video does indicate it's arabic. also indicates she's a bad singer, though, and as usual with arabic music, i don't really understand why, unless i just like bad arabic singers. video also brings rednex's "cotton eyed joe" to mind.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 1 July 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually it says she's denouncing bad singers. I only accidentally discovered this while looking for Karnatak music on youtube. The singer is Algerian. I haven't really heard too much by her. Judging by the clips I've listened to, I don't think I'd like the style of her songs too much, but I think she has a good voice and seems to have good vocal chops.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 1 July 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost "almost clever": that really seems like what a lot of radio bait is going for--wanna whet the appetite, but if they got really clever, would raise expectations, and they'd have to get clever again, if not cleverer, the whole thing would get outta hand) No doubt has to do with power of suggestion, but now that yall mention it, easy enough to hear something African/North African-to-Iberian-to-Latin-across-the-Gulf-and-up-the-River in this song on "Jugs, Jukes & Jazz," (local radio program) right now, as I read this: the way Jack Carter of the South Memphis Jug Band rolls while he bends and stretches his notes this way and that,unable to get comfortable, singing like he's got a harmonica stuck in his throat, complaining bout this "Cold Iron Bed."

don (dow), Saturday, 1 July 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

got this too late to give you the rhino hook-up, don, but where is your bit on willie running? i wrote one in a denver airport, though it came out here: http://www.citypages.com/databank/27/1334/article14484.asp

i can't recall where i put the diana trask which edd mailed me last year (it's not alone, tho i just found another edd burn, Two Yanks in Egnland just recently), but it's hard to imagine wanting to listen to anyone else sing joe's songs. perhaps it's in inverse proportion to wanting to hear joe cluelessly sing "ode to billie jo;," the part about billie joe putting a bullfrog down his pants is just so wrong. most days though, i feel like edd does about lee dorsey AND joe tex.

imbidimts (imbidimts), Sunday, 2 July 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

So how stupid was I to pass on a sealed copy of Charlie Rich's 1975 Pickwick Records grab-bag/outtake/whatever-it-was album for $2 at The Thing in Greenpoint yesterday, while spending $50 total on a huge pile of other stuff by Juice Newton, Freddie Fender, Captain Sky, Marcus, and lotsa other people*? (Pretty stupid, I'm guessing.)

* -- listed entirely on the "recent purchases" thread, if you really wanna know.

Anyway, here's a description of the LP; Pickwick was obviously not to be trusted, but that doesn't mean it's not worth $2, duh....

http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=1409502&AMGLENGTH=full#review

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 2 July 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

didn't see the actual songs on that pickwick link, chuck. but sounds like it's his groove sides (groove=rca's brief r&b subsid, for whom rich recorded '63-'65, with chet atkins producing. koch's "big boss man: the groove sessions" is worth tracking down, but like most koch stuff, not terribly easy to find. the smash stuff, which i actually prefer, is on mercury's '94 "complete smash sessions." for the sun stuff, i've seen repros on cd of those records, like "lonely weekends." varèse sarabande has a really compleat "complete sun sessions plus" that came out in '03. AVI's '96 "lonely weekends: the best of the sun years" is harder to find and the better buy, more concise.

"feel like going home" is the 2-disc set from sony, and a good overview. it leaves off stuff like "memphis and arkansas bridge," which appears on the "boss man" reissue of the '70 epic LP of the same name. if you gotta get just one rich disc, the koch reissue of "boss man" is the one to get--he does a great version of "nice 'n' easy" and one of his most desolate drinking songs, "i can't even drink it away," his greatest and most truly outré and rockin' story song, "memphis and arkansas bridge," and "i do my swingin'at home," his best stay-at-home-with-the-bottle-baby song.

there's an 2-LP set from '74, "fully realized," that covers his mercury/smash years very, very well--it still floats around out there.

i love his RCA stuff--i love pretty much all of it, and the willie mitchell/hi record he did of hank williams songs is supposed to be great--i don't believe i have ever heard it. if i had to pare it down to the very essentials, i guess i'd go with that "feel like going home" 2-disc set and the koch reissue of "boss man."

i am sure that pickwick LP is worth $2, though.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 2 July 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

second "feel like going home" though i wished that some of the slicked gospel had been replaced with this one song i have on mp3 somewheres called "Don't Tear (Let?) Me Down" that i can't seem to find on any "Best of..." anywhere. it's really soulful though. Rich may suffer the most from having his catalog spread across so many danged labels that they may never be under one stable roof anytime soon.

imbidimts (imbidimts), Sunday, 2 July 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

on kenny chesney's summer time:

have heard his new single, four times in the last two weeks. Once in the c ar back from a family renuion, once when swimming, and twice while eating. When I reviewed the album for Stylus a couple of months ago, I liked it better. Now the time has come for it to be on the radio, there are several reasons why it should be destroyed:

1. The lyrics are really banal. Not only banal, but designed entirely in a lab to be an authentic expression of how the warm months affect the good ol boy in all of us.
2. As for the above, it is shameless in its attempt to enter the canon: Perfect song on the radio/Sing along because it’s one we know
3. None of the really excellent things about summer (ie drinking, all of the copius amounts of flesh on view) are mentioned.
4. Who the hell drinks YooHoo in the middle of July (Alan Jackson, who understands summer hits, knows what to eat from mid June to eary September, in the last great summer song: “Well we fooged up the windows in my old chevy/I was willing but she wasnt ready/So a settled for a burger and a grape sno-cone” ) Listening to Chattahoochee again, reminds me of how pure Chesney is his benders are n Greasy Cheeseburgers as opposed to whiskey, he doesnt really mention beer at all, and any fucking he does is of the wistful lovemaking variety, When Alan Jackson can out dirty you, theres a problem.
5. The closest Kenny Chesney has been to a swimming hole is the local municpal swimming pool (the second time ive heard this, was reading Alison Bechdel’s Fun House, and watching all the boys with very little clothes, wandering around the local outdoor pool, nestled in the river valley, with perfect aqua water and phone booths shaped like plastic shells–there was also a girl with the words paradise lost written in florid pink on her brown bikini bottoms; why the swimming hole, when the light reflects on such chlorinated paradises)
6. I keep wondering when people will notice how calcuated his work is, but they never do. In this weeks People, there are a dozen or so pictures of hsi summer tour, and it looks like Beatlemania, just as in several of his videos (the concert ones, as opposed to the ones shot on a caribbean beach) begin wiht crowds of hungry women, and Kenny annointing them, like the Pope or the Queen. I know that this is one of the functions of modern celebrity, and post Garth its something that we have expected in Country superstars and it should be deconstructed, and Kenny is so good at riding the wave, that hes not the one to do it but I’m bored.
7. Thats the crux of the matter. He is astonishingly popular, and beloved. America laps him up. So there must be something there, aside from his brilliant manipulating of audience expectation, but what is there are simulacrcas of down home pleasures—like Dollywood if Dolly didnt ever write songs about poverty or death.
8. Maybe thats the problem, Kenny is country music for the south of metastized suburbs–and there needs to be work like that. Sure Hank wouldnt ahve done it this way, but Hank’s lost highway is found and paved over. The problem is that though we need texts about the suburbs, written by people in the suburbs, describing the joys people find there, Chesney isnt this man.
9. Or to put it another way, how can you trust a man who claims to be of the people, when he spends 60 per cent of his time in a yacht somewhere near St Barts.
10. So I guess what annoys me the most, here, are silly things that I should have stopped caring out, personae, role, authentic voice, banality, and desire. Things that would have been a virtue on Britney or Rachel Stevens are gratingly plastic in Chesney. If I stopped considering him country and started considering him pop, maybe the previous 9 points would be rendered moot.
11. But his single from last summer: Anything But Mine is one of the great singles of country music, a tender and broken examanation of lost innonce, the longing and desire of first bloomings destroyed by time and geographical inconveince.
12. The song still annoys me.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 6 July 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Chip Taylor's double album, Unglorious Hallelujah / Red Red Rose (And Other Songs of Love, Pain, and Destruction), isn't half bad, considering dude (who wrote "Wild Thing" fer chrissake) cain't saing to save his life. He namedrops Townes and Guy and John on the same track, then does songs called "Christmas in Jail" and "The Trouble With Scientists" and "Daddy, Why'd You Take My Guitar Away?" There should be more Carrie Rodriguez here, although it's always great to hear her come in on harmony like a soft breeze on a hot day.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 6 July 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost "almost clever": see Dierks' "How Am I Doin'," too. (Which I like better than "Sometimes I Miss Ya," but they're clearly cut from the same cloth.)

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 6 July 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Gonna be a Dierks live set on CMT Sunday night, I'll watch that, and maybe Skyn on Sat, Bocephus on Fri, unless it's the other way around for these two, but def Dierks on Sun. So glad they're still working those tracks from his ancient album, sound sooo nice this summer. Yeah, Fully Realized got its title from Peter Guralnick's opinion of those tracks, he led a lot of us back to all the good Rich 50s-60s stuff, though of course "Behind Closed Doors" got him the ink to do so, like in Rolling Stone. But I dunno if those were the *most* or most of his fully realized work, cos still haven't heard all from that era. The later stuff seems pretty erratic, but the gospel album Silver Linings is pretty good, and its "Milky White Way" is indeed one of Charlie's best ever, like G. says."But I'm bored." Yeah, that's wy nobody bothers to take Chesney for a ride to the autopsy, although I think you and I sawed on him some during one of the previous Rolling years. Think of him as pop, it won't help. Andy, I'd already checked your "Full Nelson," cool. How's that unreleased live album they included?? (PS: xpost Darrell Scott and his Dad were on "Fresh Air" the other night. Mostly good talk, but their own tracks[no duets] sounded okay, except for some of Darell's lyrics, and he's produced an album for Dad, whose name is Wayne, I think)

don (dow), Friday, 7 July 2006 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link

the thing is, he is capable of great power our friend chesney--and hes huge enough that someone has to critically roll him, but even my desire to fuck him is leaching out--and i have a desire to fuck a slew of dumb good ol boys...

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 7 July 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm getting down to the wire on this Guy Clark piece I'm working on. I guess my fave of all his stuff is the Chips Moman-produced "Texas
Cookin'." The new one seems a bit willfully insubstantial, and I just can't get past the flatness of the music itself. Talking to him (thru a haze of some, er, "gage" as they once called it, except this stuff made me realize why I have to be careful around "mezz" as they once called it), I got a sense of a guy who is simply not telling you what he knows, and then calling it art. And it is art, I think so, but damned if it doesn't dissipate like those insights you get once the "muggles" s they once called it goes away and you're left with an empty Oreo container. And apparently, his very first cut was by the Everly Bros. on their "Pass the Chicken and Listen" LP, which my buddy's digging out for me this weekend.

I've had Trent Willmon's record on as I do other things, and every song has struck me. Good singing, really intelligent songwriting, and sharp words. Except for that one about spending a night "six feet unde the ground" to make you appreciate life. I mean, come on--can we not make it all so dramatic? We can appreciate life without being quite so portentous about it, seems like; and I find this kind of trope really fucking dumb. But other than that, I think this is gonna be one of the best country rekkids of the year.

Back to Guy Clark...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to the Trent Willmon, and the only song I care anything about is "On Again Tonight," which reminds me of Bon Jovi's "Bed of Roses" but without the Samboran fervor in the background vocals. Willmon's voice really gets multitracked into a searing force on that number. The rest of the time he's pretty useless, sounds like an investment banker.

That "Surprise" song really isn't all that shocking because he's not participating in the S&M, more just aw-shucksily smirking at it, which is nothing new. Toby's "Stays in Mexico" seems a much more transgressive song, cos it condones (doesn't it?) the bad behavior of the characters. (Not that "SIM" would seem at all transgressive on a pop station.)

And as for that "Six Feet Under" song, I am sick unto death of songs telling me to live like I was dying. I'll live as selfishly and short-sightedly as I want to, idiot country sages. Every time I hear "Live Like You Were Dying," I wistfully imagine Tim McGraw as Luis Bunuel, dismissing the "crowd of imbeciles who find the song beautiful and poetic when it is fundamentally a desperate and passionate call to murder."

That said, Milsap's "A Day in the Life of America" is a little reductive.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe not exactly condones it, but the characters don't suffer the wages of cheatin', they get reassured that it "Stays In Mexico."("Characters" especially because I'm thinking of the video, where they do get stressed out, and sometimes *look* like, "OMG this is the last time Ah swear," but then they get back into it--and sort of an implied possibility of a sequel, or even a longterm arrangement, like in the movie Same Time Next Year, which would be a good subject for a country song: basically it's cheatin', but then again it's stable.)

don (dow), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Paula's wedding was just beautiful, and I got so filled up with appreciation for my life and my family that I nearly exploded like the Fourth of July. Paula is named for her godfather, Paul English, my drummer and best friend of forty years. And when the minister asked, "Who gives this bride?" I cracked everybody up by saying, "Me and Paul." That of course is the name of one of my best songs, which celebrates the forty-plus years Paul and I have been together on the road. Come to think of it, counting Paul, I've probably been married five times. Like I said, cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other. The Tao Of Wille, p. 141

don (dow), Monday, 10 July 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that mexico song by george straight, i sould be mildy offended by the colonial aspects, and the fake spanish, but the video and the song are soft spoken and tender

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

writ by Merle, which fits with the mildly offensive-to-us colonial aspect x the tender (Buffett couldn't get away with it, and neither could Toby,probly?)

don (dow), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Question for NYCers: Are there any open mics in the city that are country friendly? A friend of mine is there for a few weeks, he has his guitar and he's a decent Lefty-style singer and songwriter looking to play out for a night.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Lefty like Fidel or Frizzell? Both? That would be cool. I heard part of a James Talley feature on Nick Spitzer's Public Radio show, "American Routes" (think that's the way he spells it, since always starts with, "You're traveling on etc"). Mostly what I heard was "W.W. Daniel And The Light Crust Doughboys," with James tugging at the rhythm like a well-raised farmboy, tuggin at his father's sleeve, and urging him, not too loud, to please come 'n' see this powerful band over hyere. The Jeffy Jeff micro is in CharLoaf today, with Fred Mills' Rare Grooves column on the Big Mack label, latest in the Eccentric Soul series of Numero, who also brought us Ladies From The Canyon (prob best reviewed by Edd, who also discovered several of the Ladies now living and grooving in Nashville). And(the one of these that's as long as it should be) Grant Britt on the Carolatan Festival, which is Latin rock etc, local and otherwise (good interview with a guy from Los Amigos Invisibles, for inst). You'll see links to those on the left margin of my thingette: http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:52232/

don (dow), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Not really relevant but I thought I'd mention that I bought a good (possibly European) disco version of "Ghost Riders In The Sky" from a record stall in Reykjavik, Iceland on Saturday.

I was listening to that "Ladies of the Canyon" CD when in NYC - a friend of mine is another contributor - and it sounds terrific.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 13 July 2006 08:09 (eighteen years ago) link

>Question for NYCers: Are there any open mics in the city that are country friendly? <

Is that CashHank one still going on? I'm not sure, but it used to be at the Buttermilk Bar in lower Park Slope, so maybe check there, Roy?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 13 July 2006 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, I THINK that's where it was. If not there, somewhere close to there. (I never actually went myself, since I got priced out of lower Park Slope.) Otherwise, this article might give you some ideas:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0545,gottschalk,69776,22.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 13 July 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Gracias! That def helps....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

This weekend: Randy Travis, Travis Tritt, Big & Rich (w/ Cowboy Troy) and Alan Jackson.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

my ten-year-old niece's favorite song on her current favorite record, Carrie Underwood's debut, is the one about Carrie scratching up her cheatin' boyfriend's car.

got lotsa catching up to do, as usual; my mother's taken a real turn for the worse, is getting hospice care, and we're not expecting her to live out the month. very bad.

finished writing about Guy Clark. I decided that I did sort of miss what makes him good. I quite like his first record--it's indeed a minor classic--and I am fascinated by the obsessive Chips Moman production, and the way Guy mostly glides thru it, on "Texas Cookin'," which seems a bit overcooked to me, sorta Barefoot Jerry or Little Feat demi-funk-country. not as glaringly wrong for the artist as Chips' work with Gary Stewart, but not right either, exactly. I ended up liking some of "Dublin Blues" quite a bit--the western swing stuff is nice. and I do think he rates pretty highly as a songwriter, in a way, but I guess I still find it boiled down to...what is the point, exactly, of boiling down so much? I found a copy of the Everly Brothers' "Pass the Chicken and Listen" which has the first Clark song cut, '72, "Nickel for the Fiddler." the way the Evs do it, it becomes very abstract, and sort of the dark side of "Bowling Green." what's strange about that song is the way that young and old finally manage to agree on what is country music (it's what's happening in the park, or on the lawn) and the way "everybody's ruined," which I guess means everybody's stoned or drunk. In other words, Clark seems tied to a specific countercultural cozmik-cowboy moment, laconic; so I don't get much sense of expansive life from things like "LA Freeway" but do find his song about growing old on the first record, and yeah, "Desperados Waiting on the Train" (a song so famous now that it never gets mentioned by its correct name!), to be pretty sly, more than meets the eye--ironic, in short.

And when I talked to Guy, he told me a funny anecdote about how Ricky Skaggs, who did his "Heartbroke" and took it to #1 in '82, wouldn't sing "bitch" in that song, "because he couldn't bear the thought of his mama and daddy hearing that word on the radio!"

more on Trent Willmon, I think, is coming--I like that record and want to spend more time with it. And I'm currently trying to figure out if I love or hate Linda Ronstadt's collab w/ Cajun singer Ann Savoy. Genteel?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 13 July 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Really looking forward to your Guy piece, Edd. My thoughts go out to you and your mom.

Elsewhere: I'm liking this Eilen Jewell record, Boundary County, on a sub-divsion of Signature Sounds. Her voice and songs give off a low, soft light, and her blues are more like lullabyes, but I don't mind that. Some might find it a bit polite or minimalist, but those tones and 'tudes have long been a part of country.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 13 July 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

so sorry about your Mom, Edd. I know how all that can be. Did you hear Guy on Heartworn Highways, relaxing (and competing) among friends? I really like his pirate song. Aargh, yall! Heard Ronstadt and Savoy on Prairie Home, a bit stolid, would like to hear Ann without Linda. Good Cajun-based ballads were better femme-voiced by Balfa Toujours, although I think they've broken up now. But prob tracks posted somewhere. Saw the Wreckers last night on something, Tonight Show, I think. The focus seemed to favor the blonde, but not emphatically, maybe it's just me, though same impression of the video. I do think Michelle Branch seemed at ease, and well-suited to be part of a band effort, as with Carlos & co. (nice track from his album, and saw them on several shows, promoting it for quite a while). And the present duo gained a lot from their good band. Dunno how the album is, though the songs I've heard seem basically kinda bland, but anybody who likes Little Big Town, Carrie Underwood, the new Dixie Chicks, SheDaisy, etc., might like the album too (me too hopefully)Tim, who do you know that was on Ladies From The Canyon??

don (dow), Thursday, 13 July 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope it's Shira Small. Her cut on that compilation is so great.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 13 July 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

la freeway is one of my favourite country songs, and coat from the cold has a comforting sadness...looking forward to it as well

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 13 July 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When CNN was tracking that white Bronco they should have shut up and played "LA Freeway."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 13 July 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Don, sorry I was unclear, I know one of the people who helped to dig out some of the material rather than one of the artists. It's a fantastic fellow called Keith who has a habit of digging out outrageously obscure classics - often private press stuff. In this case I think he was involved in sorting out the Mary Perrin material, possibly some others.

Likewise looking forward to Edd's Guy Clark piece: "LA Freeway" was on the not-so-great country channel on IcelandAir this weekend, and it reminded me how much I like his voice. And sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, Edd.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 14 July 2006 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it just me or does the new Allison Moorer album have the worst guitar sound in recorded history?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 14 July 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, sorry to hear about your mom.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we can count Ramms+ein's "Te Quiero Puta!" as "metal country," since it's got Hollywood mariachi horns and is sung in Spanish. The phlegm and the crunch do really well for the music, and Ramms+ein find the ominous within Mexico's florid melismas (and of course find the comedy within the menace). In this album - Rosenrot - Ramms+ein sound as if they're coming much more from pop and folk rather than the romantico-"classical" that many other retch-metallers draw on. But Mexican music is good for joining those two influences - classical and folk - owing to the gypsy-flamenco-ultimately-Middle-Eastern-derived chordings, good for "minor"-key "darkness."

(This post was somewhat inspired by the conversation about "Stays In Mexico.")

Related thought: has there been much that one could call psychedelic country coming from country-identified (as opposed to country-rock-or-alt-rock-identified) performers? I mean sonically. I'd think Mexican music could be an entryway.

(Obv. I already know about Big & Rich. Any others?)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

This year's Shooter Jennings has fewer bad songs but fewer very good ones than last year's. I think that his music has to go to extremes to work, since his voice is so sketchy that he's got to push over the top to get across at all. There's nothing on the new one with the sleaze-metal gut punch of "Daddy's Farm."

(But I'll listen to this alb more to see what penetrates.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

ive realised that chattachoe is one of the best written songs like ever, its brilliant in its construction. i love it

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, my thoughts are with you and your mom as well.

My mailbox seems to be experiencing a country drought in recent weeks, though I just got the new Randy Rogers Band CD today; maybe that will help (I liked their/his last one). I talked about the Rammstein LP earlier on the metal and world music threads, and yesterday I just sent in an MTV Urge Informer metal blog on it, emphasizing "Te Quiero Puta!" (my favorite track) in all cases. Right now Sons and Daughters' "Johnny Cash" from the Optimo *Present Psych Out* mix CD (also featuring Chambers Bros, Hawkwind, Skatt Bros, Arthur Russell's Dinosaur) is on; I forget who Sons and Daughters are, but this track somewhat reminds me of the Mekons' country-ish stuff but with a more Kraut-rock drone to it (so yeah, psychedelic, but obviously not what Frank's looking for). My favorite song on the new Shooter album is still "Hair of the Dog." I think I gave "Chatahoochie" a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 in *Radio On* when it first came out, and if I gave it an 8.0, I probably overrated it. (Best thing about it is its surf riff, which I wish surfed more.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Keith Anderson's "XXL" is a dead ringer for XTC circa '87. the guitar lick is straight off that Todd Rundgren record they did.

I believe you, Roy, on Allison's record. I thought her last record was one of the most needlessly doleful things I've ever heard. the tempos, they was for shit. she doesn't seem to have a record-making knack.

and yeah, Shira Small doing Donny Hathaway or whatever, on "Wayfaring Strangers," is one of the best things on that record. I still quite like Caroline Peyton's, and the Priscilla Quinby one about the lure of the sea. Andy Beta caught up with Small in New York. His LA Weekly piece is darn good; between the two of us, we found a lot of the Ladies.

It's been a strange year for country. Last year seemed so various, so diverse, so full of (to my ears) fresh stuff that came from somewhere kinda new. I have yet to hear Shooter's record, and have been so harried trying to even listen to, and write about, what I have to, that I'm still anticipating really attending to Trent Willmon and the Dixie Chix. But apart from the Chix, has this year seemed a bit disconnected somehow, a bit lacking in drama? Or is it just me?

I still think Jamey Johnson and Blaine Larsen have done the most interesting stuff this year--newcomers rule?

and Xhuxk, I sent ya a Charlie Rich burn yesterday.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, the music isnt v. interesting, but the lyrics have a poigancy, a poetry---pyramid of cans in the pale moonlight, thats a john darinelle/bill callahan moment, but less self concious

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

no, it's not just you, edd, I've been complaining about the drought (quantity and quality) of "major" label country releases all year, and notice that xxhuxx has been way into the cdbabyverse all year too.Good tex-mex-metal country is Sir Douglas Quintet's "Baby, It Just Don't Matter." No bluster (so maybe it's really not metal?), just cool swagger with the power chords, cos it really *don't* matter. He ain't madatcha. In terms of something truly psychedelic, mind-expanding, vs. psych, as subgenre tag (most of dose reissues), mine got expanded a bit by Willie Nelson's Country Music Concert, recorded in the 60s, I think, at Panther Hall in Ft. Worth. The theatrical phrasing, in writing and delivery, that tended to get crowded by strings etc on the Chet Atkins studio albums, seemed to blssom in spare, clear stage setting, before a live audience. The revelation was that he could get so deep into the paranoid male psyche, and come up with something so lucid, so dark, so fun. Fade away and radiate, in the halflife of the "Half a man, you made of me." "If I'd been born with only one eye, I'd have only one to cry with, " so is the glass half empty or half full or both? Him and Hank, whom I also discovered about the same time, and related to the John Lennon of "Yer Blues" and his best tracks on Sgt. Pepper's ("I used to be cruel to my woman I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved": who talked about stuff like that in rock songs then, who talked about it period? and John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band).

don (dow), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I think some of Porter Wagoner's stuff has psychedelic tendencies and I think Waylon's phase-shiftered guitar would be impossible without psych music. I'll have to think about this some more.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 14 July 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom T. Hall's song about the man who drank the morning dew? Can't remember exact title, but he described it as "pantheist," and I mention David Allan Coe's early acydde fFolke tendencies in this thing I still need to put on freelancmentalists.

don (dow), Saturday, 15 July 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"I Washed My Face In the Morning Dew," which Cash renders absolute on that Tom T tribute.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 15 July 2006 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks.(I would be the one to think he *drank* the Morning Dew, with something added, that's just my projection.) Anybody (lurkers, come forth!) got any thoughts on Willie? I gotta finish the lead this weekend!

don (dow), Saturday, 15 July 2006 08:36 (eighteen years ago) link

what do you want to know about willie, i wrote a book proposal about him once, and then a peice about the whole gay thing this year, and other bibs and bobs

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 July 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I am quite possibly the only person on earth whose favorite Willie Nelson album (*Night and Day,* Pedernales Records, 1999) has no vocals on it. (I probably mentioned that before, but I'm mentioning it again just in case. It's totally true.)

Anthony, I think my favorite line in "Chatahoochie"'s lyrics is when he drops her off early but doesn't go home; are there any other songs (any genre) where that very common occurence actually occurs? (My least favorite line, which Alan sings way more often, is where "it gets hotter than a hootchie-cootchie," which may well be an actual idiom used in real life by some people but makes me cringe every time regardless.) In general: I'd like the song more if Kenny Chesney was singing it. Somehow Kenny strikes me as more likely than Alan to skinnydip and/or strip down to bathing trunks at a fishing hole. (That doesn't actually happen in the song though, does it? But it's probably implied. I think in the video, jet-skiing was somehow involeved. But what do I know, I grew up with a backyard swimming pool, so swimming in mudholes has always made me kind of squeamish.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

And for your Darnielle/Callahan comparison, I wouldn't know, not until somebody livelier than Darnielle or Callahan starts singing Darnielle's and Callahan's songs, but Darnielle IS the person who was writing the MTV Urge metal blog before me, so maybe that counts.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(Okay, now I can't get this mental image of Kenny C skinnydipping out of my head, and it's more disturbing than I thought it'd be. So forget I said that. But I'd still say pulling off "Chatahoochie" requires a degree of non-stiffness that Kenny's more capabale of than Alan is. It SHOULD be a great record, but it just isn't, quite. And I say that as somebody who actually owns the jukebox 45 of it!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

its not disturbing me as much as turning me on (and as i wrote about in my new country thing, im not sure that kenny has the pleasure down...frankly, though he does hve the nostalgia...i cant imagine any of the nu country superstarts from muddy swimminghole it, or skinny dipping, they strike me as too suburban for that)

peter north, in my local paper this morning, talked about Jackson as a concert performer, versus Tim McGraw, and apparently he is unable to seduce stadiums, i dont know what this means, but yeah...

(i also really like burger and a grape snow cone)

someone should email jd and ask him to record this

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 July 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

so speaking of swimming in dangerous waters, i just got back from the laundromat (gotta get back up there in a couple minutes or somebody will take my clothes out of the washer -- that place is ruthless!), and the adult contemporary station or whatever it is that's always on there (they play "time after time" and keith urban a lot, but also "promiscuous") played that jimmy buffet song about lothario guys being landsharks: "fins to the right, fins to the left, and you're the only girl in town"; is it called "fins"? it was never actually a HIT, i don't think, and i don't own any albums by jimmy though probably i should, and i don't know when the last time i heard it on the radio was, so at first i didn't recognize it, but it sounded great, and yeah, probably better than most of kenny's imitations of the guy. anyway, it reminded me that i'd been meaning to ask about a line from the ann powers chesney review that anthony linked to above; i find the claim below *really* intriguing, but i'm not really sure what ann means by it, mainly because i'm not sure how she's defining "bohemian" below (it *does* make me want to read what else she's written about bohemianism, though, like maybe in her book she put out a few years ago, where i get the feeling the topic figured prominently); anyway, i have no doubt whether she meant for this to be a provocative statement, and it's possible nobody else even noticed it, but still: can somebody explain to me in what way jimmy buffet embodies the word "bohemian"? is the idea something like you're bohemian if you can afford to sit around in flip-flops sipping margaritas and eating cheeseburgers in paradise, and work on your creative endeavors? or am i totally missing something? anyway:

>the video montage that preceded his performance did mention the word "bohemian" (a word Jimmy Buffett, to whom Chesney's often compared, actually embodies)<

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean:

i have no IDEA whether she meant for this to be a provocative statement

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Todd Snider's "Guaranteed" qualifies as psychedelic in a Yardbirds-raga way, though Snider may be too alt to be "country-identified" per se.

I haven't been connecting big to country this year, but I'd assumed that was just me, that I was distracted by other music, not listening to enough radio, got my key supplies cut off in April (Village Voice duplicates arriving courtesy of xhuxk, records sent by obscure cxxntry dudes at the urging of xhuxk, etc.). I still haven't gotten to the Carbon Leaf, Sam Roberts, Cindy Smith, Linda Ronstadt, Kris Kristofferson, and Van Morrison, or the Fahey tribute, and need to hear more than the first few tracks on the (somewhat promising) Bernard Fanning, Ashley Monroe, and Tea Leaf Green and on the (not-so-promising) Shawn Mullins, Grace Potter, Rhonda Vincent, Tom Brosseau, Demented Are Go (and few of those are the core of country music, anyway).

The following I've listened to only once, so any resemblance to actual reactions are a coincidence:

Th' Legendary Shack Shakers - Rousing polka-gypsy-blues-country clatter but too emotionally detached for all the cacophony, though could make my ballot if albs don't come pouring into my PO box.

Yonder Mountain String Band - More entertaining than I'd expect from rustic-decor folk-club country, but still kinda meh. The banjo kicks. It's hard to stop a banjo from kicking.

Julie Roberts - Warm voice, as you know, but this tends towards So-What-Ville.

Ralph Stanley (Carter Family songs) - This reaches me despite the man's elderly throat. Songs can't be beat.

Blazing Country - Sits home around the stodge fires, but I remember (this was a few months ago) finding some of this touching.

Willie Nelson (Cindy Walker songs) - Heard this in extreme background while I was packing; I'd probably listen more for the songs than the singer, at this point.

Parnell and DBTs I've already mentioned, ditto for Shannon Brown, who's a pop babe and a rocker and who could well make my ballot.

Carrie Underwood - Need to borrow this from the library again to see what all the crowing is about. I thought it was nice, but I never swooned.

Ryan Adams - Starts rockabilly but then goes to layered stillness. This will take more listens for me to figure out.

Electric Boogie Dawgz - Don't know if they'd count for country; unreconstructed rock 'n' roll barfucks, but "unreconstructed" misses the point of r'n'r which is supposed to deliver me from days of old. But I actually get a big hooting good time out of this.

Jace Everett - Thought it wasn't bad, but I've subsequently forgotten what it sounds like.

John Rich reissue - Straight-up pop country. Proves he shouldn't do pop country straight.

Country song of the year for me is still noncountry Marit Larsen's "Only a Fool," which has the feel of a nice little throwaway. There's no indication yet that EMI plans to market the album anywhere but Norway, though I can't imagine they won't.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 15 July 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

In hot weather my CD player has trouble playing CD-R's, so I've only caught snatches of the Bubba Sparxxx, but what I've heard seems nowhere near the country he'd incorporated last time out. 'Cept there's still some country boy in his cadences.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 15 July 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Can't guess what Ann means by "bohemian" (and I've not heard much Buffett). Back in a Wodehouse novel from the '20s the milieu of a NY boxing gym was referred to as "bohemian," and maybe one can use the term for any restless quasi-artistic non-9-to-5 environment; but in my own usage, you can't be more than several degrees of separation away from Village or Brit-art-school quasi-intellectual hipster freak artsy-fartsies. I'd call Shooter and Willie and (certainly) Kristofferson, and maybe even Coe and Kid Rock and Big Kenny and John Rich, as "bohemian" before I'd call Buffett bohemian. But maybe this is because I don't know enough about Buffett.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 15 July 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Jace Everett sounds like roots-AM country, real compressed song forms, zillions of guitar overdubs so sorta like Burton Cummings (and he sings kinda fakey, overdone, like prime "Stand Tall" Burton in a way), some very interesting textures there. but conceptual kick, no way.

I'll go back and read this: so Ann Powers is calling Jimmy Buffett a boho? He's a species of boho, for sure, dumb shirts and all. A tanned bohemian.

a lotta people love Radney Foster's new one, I think it's kinda like one of those third-level Marshall Crenshaw albums like "Mary Jean and Nine Others."

I miss the stuff that came via Xhuxk, too. Frank, Tea Leaf Green: I did a short preview of them for the Scene, and talked to the lead Tea, the keyboardist. They're way into '70s rock (he told me, "I mean, I can't think of one single bad rock record from 1972!"). They have long intstrumental passages that are jam-band via some circuitous route that includes Genesis and Steve Hackett and "Firth of Fifth," and Spirit and the Band. One song about John Brown, many others about the California landscape, getting back to nature, one really interesting one about being in Mississippi and watching TV somewhere and seeing California wildfires burn and wishing somehow that Mississippi would too--some weird take on southern history and travel and so forth that tells me they could be a good band. I mean, there's too much fucking piano, all those jam-banders take after Chuck Leavell and Bruce Hornsby. And the songs could be sharper. But they're onto something--rarely can I attend to something like this, but I found their instrumental sections actually tryin' to signify something, and it just furthers my opinion that jambands are full of confused white people who almost get the notion of the demi-funk they're attempting. And my Pat Metheny/Bill Frisell theory of Mid-American Pseudo-Homily and Gothic, all those pentatonic demi-jazz notions. Cool jazz and prog rock and whatever the Allman Brothers did, and the fucking Dead--I dunno, I'd just as soon read Art Pepper on jail ettiquette and think dark thoughts about the fate of Kool Jazz.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 15 July 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i have been listening to whats wrong with right, sent kindly by edd, and its really boring me, im going to be writing about it for left hip, but yeah, im bored...

and im not finding alot of country i love this year and most of it is ancient, realtvely speaking (willie, jessi, kris, ralph stanley, the dead johnny cash (with his first no 1 since live from san quinton). there are exceptions, some of the new toby, two songs on the new neko,when the star goes blue, that daddy song i wrote about earlier, not very much else)

thinking of the 70-dead contigent, im shocked at how tender i feel about the work, and how strong it is...

the new video from road hammers is really boring, but listening to the album again, after hearing the song on the radio, i am reminded on how mccoy's voice makes my pussy wet, in a way that almost nothing has for a very long time, and girl on a billboard has a rampant eroticism, which is missing from country i think, but was present last year. (and he is opening for nickelback and playing the stampede on the same week!!)

i havent bought julie roberts, but im tempted to, and still waiting for gene watson and another promo,

what does everyone think of hank williams jr/big and rich's track thats how they do it in dixie? (i think im bored, but not offended, the whole veterans schitck that occured before this one, seems to be an arlington/badonkadonk rip off, the same one two punch gone stale, but am willing to reconsider)(it doesnt bother me as much as Building Bridges, which is just awful)

has anyone heard Yee Haw by Jake Owens cause i havent, but the title intriuges me

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, I found Ann Powers on Chesney (and Buffett).

And yeah, Anthony, Hacienda Bros. is nice little genre piece, nothing great, but I am a fan of Dan Penn and his production is nice, and I'm nearly always somewhat entertained by that soul-country mix. It's a good record, far as that shit goes. You sending Gary Bennett, Anthony? That was a nice piece above, by the way.

I mean, Buffett's career was far more "bohemian" than Chesney's, I think. Buffett until "Margaritaville" was a pure cult figure--I remember being into Uriah Heep or Yes or whatever in junior high and these hipster kids knowing about Jimmy Buffett. Incipient singer-songwriterdom-in-opposition-to-rock, which didn't respect its elders enuff. Future fans of alt-country. And I think Buffett always preached some kind of eternal party mixed with fairly conventional, LSU-tailgate-party, Auburn-grudge-fuck values. Which makes him a southern bohemian, harbinger of whatever the fuck this exurban, rube-urban landscape is I'm living in. I mean shit, there's a new-age shop up the road in Clarksville and you can get some kind of ziti there, also those Torani flavors in coffee, and crystals for your knob-ache. And their bagels are flown in from Sysco Systems, I wanted to get my mother a bagel back when she was still eating solid food and these New Agers tried to charge me $2.25 each for a plain two-week-old bagel flown in from New Brunswick or Kansas when I can get fresh-made and quite decent in Nashville for about .65 apiece. So that's who I think Chesney is playing for, the people who have decided to get into Crystals and Wicca and Coffee at this joint--I hear 'em play modern country in there sometimes and once I commented and they were really concerned, perhaps I didn't like country?

I like it fine, I wanted to say, but I don't like your overpriced bagels or the whole atmosphere of post-boho in exurbia. And that's what Ann Powers is getting at in her piece, and I suppose she needs to get out of Los Angeles and come down here and go to Texas Hold 'Em Night at Kickers and hang out at the Wal-Mart/White Castle. I recently broke my rule of never going out to eat in Clarksville unless it's a couple of halfway good barbecue places, and went to eat at something Grille where my club sandwich came with a side of vile, yellow, coagulating honey-mustard sauce that developed a kind of scrim as I sat there and which the waitress assumed I wanted.

You notice, I talk a lot about food these days; I'm doing my running thing, and seems like I never am able to sit down and really take my time, and that's how I feel about music too. I'm just now really getting into Julie Roberts--I think it does tend toward bleh, but I quite like the drinking song and the small-town girl song, and goddam if "Sex and the City" doesn't need to get down south--Atlanta would be good, but I'd like to see it in Hattiesburg, Miss., that town needs a boost. Anyway, Bill Friskics-Warren kept telling me that "Men and Mascara" was good, good pop, and it is good pop, very good.

I guess bohemian for Ann Powers isn't a cloistered, dank city thing, she gets that so that's great. But Buffett is a beach bum, and I've never once been tempted to go into his Margaritaville place in New Orleans, I drank a fucking hurricane one of my first trips down there, back when I stayed out in Metarie in some weird hotel and didn't know any better.

Anyway, I find it a provacative and not entirely thought-out way of getting at Buffett, but a nicely enough judged way to get across what she's really getting across, that Chesney is some kind of insanely energetic, jolly, happy celebrity of the kind who's not even *worried* about "bohemian" or "non-bohemian." Like I say, Ann Powers is good, but come on, Ann, welcome to the New New South! "Bohemian" is a funny word to use but people here *don't usually think in those terms*.

Chesney's not anyone I get any kind of bead on *at all*. Is he gay? I dunno.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, I found Ann Powers on Chesney (and Buffett).

And yeah, Anthony, Hacienda Bros. is nice little genre piece, nothing great, but I am a fan of Dan Penn and his production is nice, and I'm nearly always somewhat entertained by that soul-country mix. It's a good record, far as that shit goes. You sending Gary Bennett, Anthony? That was a nice piece above, by the way.

I mean, Buffett's career was far more "bohemian" than Chesney's, I think. Buffett until "Margaritaville" was a pure cult figure--I remember being into Uriah Heep or Yes or whatever in junior high and these hipster kids knowing about Jimmy Buffett. Incipient singer-songwriterdom-in-opposition-to-rock, which didn't respect its elders enuff. Future fans of alt-country. And I think Buffett always preached some kind of eternal party mixed with fairly conventional, LSU-tailgate-party, Auburn-grudge-fuck values. Which makes him a southern bohemian, harbinger of whatever the fuck this exurban, rube-urban landscape is I'm living in. I mean shit, there's a new-age shop up the road in Clarksville and you can get some kind of ziti there, also those Torani flavors in coffee, and crystals for your knob-ache. And their bagels are flown in from Sysco Systems, I wanted to get my mother a bagel back when she was still eating solid food and these New Agers tried to charge me $2.25 each for a plain two-week-old bagel flown in from New Brunswick or Kansas when I can get fresh-made and quite decent in Nashville for about .65 apiece. So that's who I think Chesney is playing for, the people who have decided to get into Crystals and Wicca and Coffee at this joint--I hear 'em play modern country in there sometimes and once I commented and they were really concerned, perhaps I didn't like country?

I like it fine, I wanted to say, but I don't like your overpriced bagels or the whole atmosphere of post-boho in exurbia. And that's what Ann Powers is getting at in her piece, and I suppose she needs to get out of Los Angeles and come down here and go to Texas Hold 'Em Night at Kickers and hang out at the Wal-Mart/White Castle. I recently broke my rule of never going out to eat in Clarksville unless it's a couple of halfway good barbecue places, and went to eat at something Grille where my club sandwich came with a side of vile, yellow, coagulating honey-mustard sauce that developed a kind of scrim as I sat there and which the waitress assumed I wanted.

You notice, I talk a lot about food these days; I'm doing my running thing, and seems like I never am able to sit down and really take my time, and that's how I feel about music too. I'm just now really getting into Julie Roberts--I think it does tend toward bleh, but I quite like the drinking song and the small-town girl song, and goddam if "Sex and the City" doesn't need to get down south--Atlanta would be good, but I'd like to see it in Hattiesburg, Miss., that town needs a boost. Anyway, Bill Friskics-Warren kept telling me that "Men and Mascara" was good, good pop, and it is good pop, very good.

I guess bohemian for Ann Powers isn't a cloistered, dank city thing, she gets that so that's great. But Buffett is a beach bum, and I've never once been tempted to go into his Margaritaville place in New Orleans, I drank a fucking hurricane one of my first trips down there, back when I stayed out in Metarie in some weird hotel and didn't know any better.

Anyway, I find it a provocative and not entirely thought-out way of getting at Buffett, but a nicely enough judged way to get across what she's really getting across, that Chesney is some kind of insanely energetic, jolly, happy celebrity of the kind who's not even *worried* about "bohemian" or "non-bohemian." Like I say, Ann Powers is good, but come on, Ann, welcome to the New New South! "Bohemian" is a funny word to use but people here *don't usually think in those terms*.

Chesney's not anyone I get any kind of bead on *at all*. Is he gay? I dunno.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

edd

i have sent gary bennett, have you nto gotten it ? :(

kenny chesney is not gay, but i cant read his beads sexually either, there is a peice to be written about the ambiguity of that presentation.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

So are the "hurricane parties" that Mary Chapin Carpenter (now, SHE'S possibly a Bohemian, I'd get that, or at least a Bobo in Paradise, like, didn't she go to Brown or something?) (not as much as a Bobo as Lyle Lovett or KD Lang though, I bet) sings about in her '90s cajun tribute "Down at the Twist and Shout" parties where a hurricane's going on, or where people *drink* hurricanes, or both?

And I like the Haceinda Bros too - -both CDs, but the new one more since there's more covers hence more good songs. But yeah, I'm kind of a sucker for soul-country too. And yeah, album's far from great.

I'm not sure if I still have that Julie Roberts album around. I liked the title track; rest struck me as bleh; maybe I was wrong. (Also, I think I still have an early version of the album, and the track list changed, apparently. Same with Ashley Monroe as I recall.)

And speaking of Bill Friskics-Warren, I've been paging through his and David Cantwell's top 500 country singles book from a few years ago *Heartaches By Number* a lot while in the bathroom the past couple weeks, and I like it a lot; I'm impressed by their openness to pop-country (they even have Juice Newton in there), and the wide-openness of their genre-defining actually reminds me of *Stairway to Hell* in some ways. They tend to underrate *recent* pop-country, for the most part, but that's okay; they still like some of it. And I'm starting to think the *Urban Cowboy* disco-crossover era (though I have no idea how much country actually tried cross over in that direction) was a lot more interesting than they let on. And they keep mentioning Dave & Sugar as an example of lame crossover stars from that time, which is funny, because I don't think I'd ever even heard of Dave & Sugar til I opened their book. And they proabably fall back on "social consciousness" justifications too often. An enlightening read, nonetheless. (Actually, what it REALLY reminds me of Dave Marsh's Top 1001-or-however-many singles of all time book *Heart of Rock and Soul*, which I wish I still owned a copy of.)

And Edd and Frank, I guess I *could* still be emailing unknown bands to have 'em send you their CDs, but it takes time, and it's a little weird since I'm not actually editing a section where somebody else might write about the bands anymore. Also, I get *way* fewer duplicates to pass on these days, and I can't rely on a newspaper to pay the postage anymore, though it's possible I'll mail Frank my advance CD-R of Towers of London anyway. (And Frank, by the way, thanks for the mix CD, which will get played on my roadtrip upstate starting tomorrow muchly I'm sure, and Edd, thanks in advance for the Charlie Rich burning.) Anyway, what I suggest y'all start doing more is emailing the bands (at least the cdbaby and myspace bands) yourownself. And definitely start with the Victory Brothers, whose album is so far (1) my country album of the year (2) my overall album of the year (3) my Big N Rich album of the year and (4) my Texas Hold 'Em album of the year even though I haven't played poker since high school, and should be heard by one and all. It's getting reviewed in the first installment of a monthly roundup I'm writing for *Harp* magazine, and if I hear back from the band afterwards I'll try to remember to pass on some addresses, but meanwhile you might just wanna go to their webpage and email them directly; it's easy, I do it all the time, how d'you think I discover all these bands in the first place? Anyway, here's a list of other acts you might think of contacting who've put out records I've liked lately that I'm guessing you mostly haven't heard; the cdbaby ones you can email straight from their page, and the myspace ones frequently list a webpage with contact email addresses. Anyway, good luck (and I hope these links, which I'd been saving in a file for a while, work):

Victory Brothers, Big N Rich style dance/country/rock from L.A.:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=58969629

Big Dictator, early AC/DC-style metal from Long Island:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigdictator

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=48160709

Penny Dale, Stevie Nicks-inspired country from Nashville:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=8670245

Lucas McCain, Southern Rock from Georgia, better than the new Drive By Truckers CD:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/lucasmccain

Dirty Birds, garage rock from Portland:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/dirtybirds

Miko Marks, a black woman from Oakland via Flint, singing country:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/mikomarks

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=47331552

Savage, attempted hair-metal from Nevada; sounds more like Chrome-style art-punk:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/savagerocksyou2

Wolfgang Bang, snotty punk from L.A.:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/wolfgangbang

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=4151478

Joanna Martino, goth-influenced Christian teen-pop, from Tennessee:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/joannamartino

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=24911247

K. Wilder, triple-A alt-country with jazz overtones, from Florida via Virginia:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwilder3

Daj, '80s-style dance/pop/rock gal from Florida:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/dajmusic

Nell James, 17-year-old Long Island girl prog-rock-guitar/singer-songwriter:

http://www.myspace.com/nelljames

Matt O'Ree, heavy New Jersey blues-metal guitar dude:

http://www.myspace.com/mattoree

Riverside, middle-aged pot-bellied country metal band from Missouri:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/riverside

Some other ones you might wanna search:

Terry Lee Bolton
Becky Hobbs
Hot Rollers
Lucky 7
Secret society of the sonic six
Katie Neal
The Cool and Deadly
Alan Bros
Sonic orchid
Fat Matt McCourt

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(okay, er, i kinda went overboard with all that stuff, i guess -- sorry. just trying to help. and obviously lots of those weren't country, and most of the ones that were had been linked to up above somewhere. anyway, there's also this, which may or may not help):

http://www.emusic.com/lists/showlist.html?lid=881317&p=1

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

>has anyone heard Yee Haw by Jake Owens cause i havent, but the title intriuges me <

Listening to it right now, and it sounds good. For one thing, it's DANCE MUSIC. For another thing, the title rhymes with "I hear the twins are back from Saginaw." Also he spells out "Yee-haw" at the end. And some of the rest of his CD sounds even better -- "startin' with me" is about all his fuckups in life, starting with a one-night stand with his best friend's little sister. "the bottle and me" is good i-drink-alone honkytonk. my favorite so far though is "eight minute ride", very hard-rocking biker country (with one guitar part that *might* be deserve to be called psychedelic), and a title that may or may not beat motley crue's premature ejaculation in "ten seconds to love" by two whole seconds, i'm not sure yet. also jake seems to be bragging about how big the rims on his truck are, or maybe that was just his tires; there's a difference, right? but also maybe the most blatant making-of-love in a major label country tune since a different song about riding (cowboys), by big n' rich. so what's jake owen's deal, anyway? he used to be a pro golfer or something? sure does look like a handsome devil in that cover photo.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, "eight SECOND ride" (see, my math wasn't off after all).

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"if you like your catfish fried, with buttered grits there on the side...you can thank Dixie for that." (just put that in there to satisfy edd's food-talk requirement.) also he's thankful for, you know, Dale Earnhardt and "Sweet Home Alabama" and red-lipped Southern belles, "you know what we're talking bout y'all" (rhymes with "Southern drawl"). Totally pandering attempt at a Skynyrd-style ballad, track 11 on Jake's CD, and yeah, I like this one a lot too.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

>some of the rest of his CD sounds even better <

I should have said "some of the rest of his CD sounds really good, too." "Yee Haw" may or may not be the best track; I'm leaning toward the eight-seconds one, but haven't decided yet. "The Bottle and Me" is actually fairly perfuntory, as hardguy drinking honkytonk laments-as-brags go. ("Whiskey's Got a Hold on Me," the alcoholism track that ends the somewhat subtler new Randy Rogers album, which sounds conistently good but not great so far, is better.) And the thanking-Dixie song (a duet with Randy Owen -- should I know who that is? is it Jake's brother?) works more as a post-Southern-rock power ballad than as a tribute to Southernness, if that makes sense. (I.e., it sounds better than it reads, because of its pretty guitar melody.)

(Ha ha, can you tell I'm procrastinating on packing for my roadtrip?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

and yeah, the guitar in "eight second ride" (both at the beginning and during a break in the middle) is absolutely prog-rock, if not pyschedelic (if there's a difference). very ornate: sounds like, i dunno, focus or early kansas or somebody like that doing a melody that somewhat recalls the "fake native-american music" in tim mcgraw's "indian outlaw" or big n rich's "wild west show," only not exactly, and heavier, and this song isn't about indians. i love it.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

whats the album called chuck

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 July 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Album's called *Startin' With Me*.

I'm also liking jake's "places to run," about running out of escape hatches, sad and laid-back, with a real ease to the delivery, and some spanish guitar. both jake owen and randy rogers play the lazy country boy charlie daniels used to play in his much younger days, i'm noticing. and in "eight second ride," jake and the girl he picks up sing a charlie daniels song together in his truck. my three favorite cuts so far on the rogers album all have titles that start with the word "you" and end in the first person: "you could've left me," "you could change my mind," "you don't know me." i like his sound, especially his drums and guitar. his vocals are less in-your-face than you'd expect, but i have a feeling they'll sneak up on me.

okay, now i gotta run to the store for car supplies.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost whatever you wanna say about Willie, I'll appreciate it, Anthony (and anybody)xxhuxx, Night And Day is indeed one of his best ever, and some people have told me they saw recent shows in which he (like his minor league ballpark tourmate Dylan) was doing a lot more playing than singing (or vocalizing), and he's got at least one more instrumental album, Nacogdoches (spelling?), similar titles to those on Night And Day, and I wanna get that too. Frank, you might like some of those albums more if you played em more than once, or all the way through, as the case may be (Something behind/in balancing act with the "detachment," or "cartooniness," as I put it in voice) edd, I talked about Tea Leaf Green a lot, way upthread. xxhuxx: Happy Wedding Trip,Man!

don (dow), Saturday, 15 July 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

is chuck getting married?!?!

don

i will complie and email tomorrow or the day after

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 15 July 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

We went over all that CD Baby stuff before on Rolling Metal. And looky how good that thread's doing now that the two people the tongue-tied metal-Einsteins hated the most don't contribute to it.

I have no compunctions about asking CD Baby vanity bands for promo copies. But I do take a halt on asking for free stuff when I know absolutely no one will accept a pitch on it. Taste wars, you know. We lost, they won.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 16 July 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

xp: yeah anthony, but shhh...we're eloping. (and thanks, don!) also, i am planning to be far from a computer for most of the seven days.

ps) jake and his conquest in "eight seconds ride" sing "a country boy can survive," which is by hank jr not CDB, obviously. duh.
pss) i talked about tea leaf green a lot upthread, too! (first!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 16 July 2006 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops! Sorry, xhuxx, I thought you'd already mentioned that was the purpose, or at least on the to-"do" list, for your trip (I've got it set to only show recent posts, so thought I'd missed The Announcement and invitations--just keed, guys, he didn't send me an invitation either! Good thing, since I couldn't afford to send a gift [or I could send him a promo, since he doesn't get enough of those any more---maybe this nice Powerman 5000, or teh Fred Durst solo joint?]) Unrst, ist der Metal thread flourishing in mein absence? Good, and I'll get back there after I get back to Rolling Stray Hard Rock after I do Particle, which will be after I finish with Willie. (That sentence looks really wrong, butt so be it.)Buffet sounds better the further back you go (mainly 72-78), and used to brag about smuggling pot on his yacht, speaking of yacht rock, and now claims to be the cousin of Warren Buffet, and gives concerts for his fellow hardworking weekend warriors(is the present premise). Such is the company picnic of Bohemian life now, for those old enough to remember the term's (basically admiring/stratus-status-seeking)common use.

don (dow), Sunday, 16 July 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Just as there are two types of punks (well, there are 7 thousand types of punks) there are two types of bohemians, those who are bohemian by descent and those who are bohemian by convergence. (I think those are the biological terms.) So, you know, some people are punk (or think they're punk) because they've listened to a lot of punk and they're consciously influenced by punk. And there are some people who are punk even if they've hardly heard a note of punk, they just are punks, or were for the three minutes the mic was turned on. Sorta the way Stevie Nicks and Micheal Jackson have moments when they're more punk than Rancid will ever be. (This is not to knock Rancid.) So, some people are bohemians because they've read the beats and listened to the jazz or whatever, or punk or whatever, indie, whatever whatever, and then there are people who are bohemians because they inadvertantly invent their own bohemia. Maybe Buffett's in the latter category.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 July 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm doing the antipacking procrastination thing too, just like xhuxk. I need to clear off and clear space away from my desk and dresser tonight, 'cause a friend is coming over to help me move them tomorrow. So, gotta go.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 July 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

(are you eloping too, Frank? I won't tell.) Judging by his interviews over the decades, I don't know that Buffet's ever done anything inavertant, imagewise, anyway. From the time he got a j-school degree and became a Billboard stringer, so he could study the Biz and make contacts, he's been pretty calculating (not nec. a bad or good thing, just saying). Anthony, if you get a chance to send your Willieology tomorrow, would be good, cos I gotta finish by Monday. thx & peace out guys(Toussaint & Costello's good live session on World Cafe now, will have to check their album, which xgau digs; hope I finish in time to see Dierks' Summerfest set tomorrow night, but CMT will re-run during next week)

don (dow), Sunday, 16 July 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

frank and i are getting married in vegas by elvis.

(chuck, are you registered anywhere, or is this not elopement?)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 16 July 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

And speaking of Bill Friskics-Warren, I've been paging through his and David Cantwell's top 500 country singles book from a few years ago *Heartaches By Number* a lot while in the bathroom the past couple weeks, and I like it a lot

Hah! I kept mine in the john for a couple months (hey, it's a long book)...

David's one of my best friends and I've said this before but everybody on this thread should own it. It's a great reference for one but also a provocative and inspiring read--in the sense that it'll send you hunting for a lot of country records you either never heard or had forgotten about.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 16 July 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

And speaking of the Marsh book, have you all seen this?

http://www.lexjansen.com/marsh/index.htm

Very cool online database to the book, plus more lists including Heartaches, Hoskyns' Country Soul book, Doo-wop and R&B vocal groups. No Stairway though :(

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 16 July 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Unrst, ist der Metal thread flourishing in mein absence? Good, and I'll get back there after I get back

My advice is 'don't bother.' Unless, of course, you actually care about an oral history of Slayer, one never actually quoted to any interesting extent, or the occasional "I like [this band that moves more promotional copies than it sells]" doggerel.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 16 July 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, so no shocker, but Keith Harris says so much better whatever it is I wanted to say up-thread about the Bottle Rockets new one.

http://www.emusic.com/genre/feature/200606/286.html

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

watching young by chesney on cmt this morning, i figured out chesneys sexuality, its entirely about himself, and nostalgia. i dont know the word for it, but im pretty sure kennys now ideal sexual partner is kenny at 18.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

onanopostpedo? Has he ever sung about actually being horny, though? "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy," but what does he think? Great great video, but the girl's doing all the w-o-r-k, slinking down the cabbage rows climbing up to git him, grabbing, twisting,unbuckling, starting to unzip him. He's exultant, but is it just the attention? Anyway, he doesn't touch her, or look like he wants to. Maybe he'll do dairy when the camera stops, but meanwhile, total boytoy bottom! (If Mary Gaitskill can tell the convincing story of a femme top,they is *he* macho enough to be a butch bottom? Would you please ask her, Frank?) Also, I really like "Anything But Mine," cos finally his nostalgia is for something recent, and for something more interesting than standing around in his high school parking lot etc. But the song, though done cool, is really more bout he's satisfied cos he put his mark/logo(not brand, that would be too hotte) on her, not that he had such a great time doing it.

don (dow), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

thats what im saying, his work really is this obsessive, preening, masculinity, that seems to be above sex, or at least sex with the past...not quite safe but that whole point, of pleasure adn desire, being not connected to bodies but some arcadian construction of space adn time strikes me as the key to his success...

or to put it another way, people want to fuck him but he doesnt want to fuck anyone, (but his desire not to fuck anyone isnt that elegant glacial, refusal, because that being in sixth gear schitck is, in addition to homosocalism, drinking, etc)

there was always a sublimated homoeroticism to the frat boy nonesense, but i never got anything sublimated in chesney...

that said every major male country performer has more of that beatlemania, audience/performer sexual frisson then chesney.

i dont think hes a bottom boy, and i dont think hes butch, i think that he is a really slippery sexual signifer, the binaries we use to talk about people (audience/performer, gay/straight, butch/femme, top/bottom) all fall down around kenny boy.

(how would he be in bed?)

and where would i send this essay if i was to write it

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe The Essay section of Village Voice? Yeah, I guess plenty of performers are basically collections of sexual signifiers, real museum pieces and piece museums (mooseyummms), but you could say that about any sex symbol who doesn't happen to turn you on, but he doesn't even pretend to have the hots. (Does he? I know he's done love songs, and maybe there's songs about his desire on the albums, but can't think of any singles, which are his main thing). And doing a convincing job of being horny usually seems a wise policy if you're a sex symbol (unless your charisma comes from not coming, from being the ICE QUEEN, but can't think of any examples.) Prince and Madonna were (still are, maybe?)usually good examples of balancing the Apollonian and Dionysian, or however you want to put that.

don (dow), Thursday, 20 July 2006 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

New Times killed The Essay at the Voice. It don't exist. Alles kaput. Gone. They came, they saw, they conquered.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 20 July 2006 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

My friend Cat says that Buffett's image is not Bohemia but rather Drunken Lout.

(Not that the two need be mutually exclusive.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

see jack kerouac

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

In the 70s, he could be a pretty good singer-songwriter,and xpost journalistic training may've helped, with the introspective-to-observational ballads x cute 'n' clever party singalongs ("Margaritaville" pretty good observational singalong, "old men in tanktops, bermudas and black socks" and all). Like for instance Jerry Jeff Walker, who says he introduced JB to Key West. Nowadays also writes fiction, I think it's supposed to be like that of his friend Tom Robbins, of Even Cowgirls etc (also a 70s thing, mainly)

don (dow), Friday, 21 July 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

those links are the best, xhuxk. if you read this after elope-ment, my best wishes; and I wish I could think of a great present to send; I hope my good thoughts are worth something...

I'm doing stuff on Trent Willmon and the Duhks for the Scene, so I hope I'm getting their back catalog, which I gave away to a friend who's way into them and the Mammals and that sort of neograss.

I've talked to Friskics-Warren about the country singles book, and I think he'd admit that those '80s acts are problematic, in there. And Bill's a socially relevant kind of writer; it's not my take on country in some ways, but it's a really useful book. The thing is, there are probably 1000 country singles that are pretty great and essential.

hey Anthony, I got some tomatoes came in, want me to mail you a box of 'em? I am contemplating a crisp, tart BLT today. seriously, Anthony, ain't got the Bennett yet; seems like it takes a while thru customs and so forth.

and got the Rhino Willie Atlantic set; that is music I'm barely familiar with. Xgau rates "Phases and Stages" and "Shotgun" pretty high; so I guess I'll delve into it. I'm a nominal Willie Nelson fan; when he's on, he's on; I like what he tries to do; and even when I saw him as a guest star on "Monk," one of the few TV shows I really try to watch (still trying to decide if I think Traylor Howard is a better sidekick than Bitty Schram, the latter I found kinda sexy, OK, but Traylor has really grown on me), his offhand timing seems to me the whole point, the way his guitar phrases in between his vocals. I guess I wish it were more defined, a bit crazier, or something.

But I am a sucker for singers going to Alabama and sharing a joint with Jerry Wexler in the Tuscumbia Holiday Inn, so I got it up to play.

And I got the new Howard Tate record--his takes on Newman's "Louisiana 1927" and "I'll Be Home" are amazing. We'll see if he actually finds a label or if it's totally self-released. But it's a remarkable piece of work, and actually a song suite, and takes some work to listen to--more work than Joe Henry generally requires, and to my ears far more sophisticated.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 22 July 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

can you mail a box of tomatos, without brusing and the like?

and i ahe no idea where the bennett went, i ahve had so much trouble with the post, i sent something to brooklyn a month ago, and it was sent back, though the address was correct. apparently the building didnt exist according to canada post. i wonder if i am on some government watch lsit. (i feel bad, but scouts honour, i sent that cd)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 22 July 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

edd otm about bitty schram; traylor howard's hot too, but BITTY SCHRAM

also has everyone given up on los lonely boys? new album dont seem too horrible

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 22 July 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Haiku, try to find Los Lonely Boys with Ronnie Milsap on CNT's "Crossroads," it may not be on youtube, since they've gotten wussier about copyright, but should be around somewhere, or check the series listings on cmt.com, they'll re-run it sometime, maybe soon, with the new LLB album. I never would've thought of putting those artists together, or of the connections that were in fact made.They weren't so hot on "Austin City Limits," a bad sign, since that's an artist/music-hospitable show, but were good with Willie (who introduced them as "The Los Lonely Boys," unless it was "The Lost Lonely Boys, " but he should know better, since he met 'em a long time ago, and provided free studio time), on his "Outlaws And Angels" USA Network special (they also did a concert version of the ZZ Top trib lineup, the orig studio CD of which I reviewed in the Voice, one of my best ever,"Sharp Blessed Men": title re it was also a Charlie Daniels roundup, with a contrast in artist's POVs I should've made a little more explicit, and will, someday)(orig point of paren: USA does like this and they do xpost "Monk," and that's it, quality-wise! Although they had "New Wave Theatre" and "Snub" and Lower East Side local access cable shows like "American Dancestand," back in the early 80s) Willie and the Boys did "Cisco Kid," he played this brittle single-sing solo, good contrast is his thing in guest shots, and some of his own tracks, where the seemingly off-hand thing can signify pretty effectively, at times (of course, he can be pretty uneven,recording alll those albums). My CharLoaf feature about him will be up Wednesday, hopefully not much different than the dutifully revised version (but what the hell, the blogvaganza will unroll some day, probably). Didn't get the Complete Atlantic (which is mistitled, because The Troublemaker was also recorded for Atlantic, but their country section folded, and it came out on Columbia; his daughter Susie Nelson's Heartworn Memories tells like that, anyway). Also most of that live disc already came out on a previous Rhino Willie. But I did say some stuff about Phases And Stages, which is still one of his best.

don (dow), Saturday, 22 July 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

so don, charloaf is about willie? but not about the atlantic sessions?

and anthony, you know I'm pullin' your leg. about the tomatoes. man, this guy hit me in the head with some tomatoes! it hurt! shit, that don't sound like it would hurt so much. yeah, but them tomatoes was in a can.

and the bennett, anthony, it'll arrive; gotta go thru customs. no sweat.

man, just tired, kinda seeing everything thru a haze of exhaustion, as my mother enters into what are probably her final weeks if not days. gotta recharge, but it's gonna take awhile. i'm so behind on what I want and need to listen to, not behind on work, and it's real hard to concentrate. tomorrow I'm taking the time to make real good notes on Trent Willmon--doesn't he have a previous record, has anyone heard it?

and yeah, Bitty Schram--she looked like she had a past, one sexy woman. I was kinda hoping Monk and Traylor might, eh, make it, but that's too much to ask in that or any world. Sex is so dirty.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 23 July 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Revising earlier opinion about Chris Knight record: it's really great, actually, just handicapped by two of the worst songs being in the first five. Good detail writing, angry eco-populism, Mellencamp spunk with a Springsteen voice, all-around goodness.

Also this Los Lonely Boys album is pretty countrified in many places and (despite the fact that they cannot write any kind of lyrics really) I like it. Nice vocal cameos from father Enrique Sr. and Willie on "Outlaws".

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

re xpost Uncle Willie introducing them onstage as "The Los Lonely Boys," CNN newscrawl ditto this weekend,reporting that bass player got busted for pot, and some kind of rowdiness, in Texas, so uh-oh. Speaking of the Mammals and Duhks (whose first album has been reissued), anybody who likes any of that might also like Solas' Reunion Live (members of all lineups ever, grooving seamlessly, and not just jamming).Closer to Bo Diddley, or at least Moe Tucker (vocals too, frequently enough), than to Riverdance. Although they are Irish folkies, and no mistake. I be writing a preview, re their appearance at Dublin OH's Irish Music Festival, for Columbus OH's Independent UWeekly (ILM's own Brian O'Neill is arts editor). Hang in there, Edd.

Rudy Wontfail (dow), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I was sparked by Fred’s VV piece about “Taking the Long Way Home” to consider the Chicks’ positioning within their genre and with their audience.

Which--at first weirdly--led me to think of the story of Dr. Winifred ‘Fred’ Burkle, the cute/brilliant physicist of Tim Minear and Joss Whedon’s ANGEL.

When we meet her, Fred, the daughter of a stable, middle class Texas family, has been trapped in a ‘demon dimension’ for five years, basically living as a slave to some horrid creatures. Angel aka The Heroic Vampire with a Soul, saves her from this nasty fate, and takes her back to LA, where she joins his investigative squad--which is also benefitting from/being corrupted by a transdimensional Evil Corporate Law Firm.

Anyway--Fred gets home. The firs thing she does?

Puts up a Dixie Chicks poster, which clearly gives her great pleasure.

When Fred thumb-tacked that poster of the Chicks on the wall as a way to imprint her identity on this blank new space, I went “Yes!” instinctively. It was such a great meta moment, was true to Fred the character and illuminating about both the Chicks and their fans.

Fred’s a little ‘country’ (the Texas accent, ‘good’ manners, etc.) and more than a little urban (her exemplary professionalism and don’t-fuck-with-me asskickiness when pushed) and because she’s both, she’d kind of neither--which is where the Dixie Chicks themselves find themselves on this CD--and hence Fred fitting both in metaphorical and dramaturgical terms in into an absurdist milieu that includes such other square pegs as a good-demon karaoke telepath, vampire-with-a-soul, both IS the Dixie Chicks--the cute/non-submissive sexuality

There’s a series of identity negations in Fred and the Dixie Chicks and their fans that creates a kind of amazing and delightful sense of being--like Fred--’outsiders’ deep inside a multimillion-dollar mass enterprise. But that this negation informs all of this is also kind of depressing and kind of accurate. That to be Fred/The Dixie Chicks, that is, to import all the humane stuff of country--the tales of suffering and (usually too neat) triumph, the super-pretty harmonies, the sense of smart and kindness--which runs against the Toby Keith-ian vein of ego-drunk bellicosity--you end up in this new nowhere land populated by tons of people.


And so it makes poetic sense that, as Frank pointed out, the new Chicks CD is both terrific and a bit of a letdown--because, in my take, it IS a letdown that these things can’t as yet be fused into one coherent whole.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

decided on the road last week that trent willmon's new album is pretty great after all, a lot better than ronnie milsap's new album, which isn't nearly as great as i thought it was (though its best track "somewhere dry" still is.) outside of "surprise" (which i love for the wife-swapping at least as much as for the bondage), my favorites on the trent LP turn out to probably be "on again tonight" (that's the single, right?), which is basically about breakup sex, and "ropin' pen," which i don't totally follow but appears to be about a place where there's horses and all the men hang out there on friday after work as if were a bar. weirdest song on the willmon might be "a night in the ground," which recommends that everybody gets buried alive at least once. also i noticed that, in "good one comin' on," trent listens to ray willie hubbard, who i don't know if i've ever heard; (so wait, did he have the HIT with "redneck mother"? did anybody else? if not, I MUST have heard him...) anyway, right now i think i'd take the willmon album over either jake owen or randy rogers, both of which i still like a lot, but not over the new rodney atkins, best song on which (possibly the REAL country song of the year) is "cleaning this gun (come on in boy)," about waiting for a boy to bring your teenage daughter back from a date at 10 pm nope 9:30 pm like you told him he better (best song ever about being the dad of a dating teenage daughter, probably), followed i think by "these are my people" (which has great small-town-loser specifics), "in the middle" (as in the middle of tennessee and the middle of nowhere, with tons of names of small towns on the signs on the way home to prove it), and the surprsingly great divorce-with-kids-involved song "angel's hands" (surprising at least in part because of its icky title), with "a man on the tractor" and "if you're going through hell (before the devil even knows)" (and maybe even the uncharacteristically quiet and possibly eerie "invisibly shaken") possibly in the on-deck circle, and the obligatory pandering "about the south" song and the mawkish one about how your four-year-old learns to say "shit" (which o'course isn't said, rodney ain't the president after all) and learns to pray because he wants to be a buckaroo like you at least somewhat bearable. only ten songs, so not much opportunity to go wrong, and lots that goes right, even if rodney does pretend people in small towns leave their doors unlocked. he picks good skynyrd songs to namedrop (hint: not all hits), which somewhat makes up for the more predictable bullshit.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

and oh yeah, my album of the year now (passing up victory brothers) is kentucky headhunters' *flying under the radar*, which cheats by taking the best songs from each of their previous three albums (only two of which i heard), but what the hell, they've never made my top ten before (my REAL not just country top ten i mean), and this year maybe they deserve to. victory brothers are missing *something*; lalena insists they're closer to the barenaked ladies or ween than to big 'n' rich, which i don't buy, but they do come up a little thin, somehow. (though then again, compared to b'n'r's first album, who doesn't?) i don't find them mere cynical hee-hawing wearers of lampshade farmer's hats at parties, though, not even close. and i expect they'll finish toward the top of my top ten. might help if other people would check them out and offer their opinions, though...

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

and oh yeah oh yeah, most entertaining (and silliest, and most rockingly big n rich like) country song i heard on the radio on the road was the (new, i assume?) trace adkins one about "hey batter batter hey batter batter swing." 100 % baseball metaphors, and way better than the phil rizzuto part of "paradise by the dashboard light," how can i NOT love it? so what's the deal, did "honkytonk badonkadonk" turn him into a novelty artist for good? i think he's helped by it, even if he'll never do another "i'm tryin'" again...

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

what do you think of the bocephus/big and rich crib of badonkadonk

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

still haven't heard it. (and by the way, by "rockingly big n rich like," i think i just mean something like "hard rock powerchords plus fiddles used in a way that dances like funk". which may or may not be fully accurate for the baseball hit, which i only heard once.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

>even if rodney does pretend people in small towns leave their doors unlocked<

or even if i pretend that they don't (because, uh, sometimes they DO, you know.)

incidentally when i got home home to queens monday night our front door had the extension cord for the landlord's son's big ass power generator running through it. power had been out here in sunnyside since wednesday, so we took an extra night before coming back; it got turned back on only two and a half hours after we got back in, which meant that all the emergency supplies we'd picked up in bucks county monday morning (battery-run fans and lanterns, candles, a stovetop coffee percolator, lots of backup batteries) will have to go into storage until the next con-ed fuckup. too bad the dry ice won't keep that long. but we only had maybe $50 of rotten groceries in the fridge when we got back, and we obviously picked the right week to out of the burough, even if we missed all the excitement.

anthony, edd, etc, thanks for the well wishes by the way. and edd, thanks again for the charlie rich burn, which came while i was gone, and which is in my CD changer now. (i also found a used copy of a 1974 comp of '60s charlie called *fully realized* for 50 cents in an antique barn in jeffersonville -- well, the second disc of the double LP anyway -- and brought that back with me. so these should at least help me start getting up to speed. inscription on the back of the comp says it was originally released in 1965 and 1966 as *the many new sides of charlie rich* and *fast talkin' slow walkin' good lookin' charlie rich,* both of which titles sound quite promising.)

also edd, keep your chin up. my thoughts are still with you.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link

and what the heck, already posted the entire list on the recent purchases thread, but here are all the country-associated records I bought 50 cents to $1 each, at three antique/junque barns (north side of Route 28 around Arkville, north side of Route 44/55 around Gardiner, just off north side of Route 52 in Jeffersonville) and one used store (Rhino Records in New Paltz) upstate last week; if anybody has any opinions on any of these in any way, please say so:

brewer & shipley - the best of - double LP
dr hook - pleasure & pain LP (not disco-country enough, sounds like)
freddy fender - the best of LP
ian gomm - gomm with the wind LP (pub rock was kind of country, right? so maybe i should list the bram tchaicovsky album here too, but i won't...also won't list gap band's 1976 indie-label self-titled album despite their wearing of cowboy hats or bighorn despite bighorn sheep being rural beasts beloved by southern rockers)
charly mcclain - greatest hits LP (sounds surprsingly good so far)
charlie rich - fully realized LP (second disc only of two-disc set)
t.g. sheppard - i love 'em all LP (also not disco-country enough)
hank snow - the wreck on the old 97 double LP (badass train wreck on cover)
steeleye span - the steeleye span story: original masters double LP (somebody compared a montgomery gentry song to them once)
hank williams jr - whiskey bent and hellbound LP
*viennese waltzes* 10-inch compilation EP (probably influenced country dance music somehow, right?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:53 (eighteen years ago) link

congrats chuck by the way! also continued best wishes to edd, we're all here for you brother.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, haiku...

i'm also wondering if it's about time somebody came up with a theory about how country's current shoutout thing (trent willmon putting on some ray willie hubbard, jake owen putting on some hank jr, rodney atkins putting on lots of skynyrd in one song and some milsap in another song) should be considered a trend for the post--hop-hop age, but that's just silly since david allen coe and everybody like that did it all the time years ago, right? (but maybe the specific names dropped are getting more interesting? it's so fucking boring when eveybody's always listening to hank and merle all the time. though shooter replacing nugent with george jones was okay, i guess.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Contemporary shoutouts in country music go back at least as far as Tex Ritter's 1961 "I Dreamed of a Hillbilly Heaven," a dream about dead country singers except that Tex ends up reading The Big Tallybook shouting out Red Foley, Ernest Tubb, Gene Autry, Roy Acuff, Eddy Arnold, Johnny Cash, Buck Owens, Marty Robbins, Minnie Pearl, Tex Ritter...TEX RITTER?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

that hank snow album is one of my favourites, there is a good peice of writing on snow in the heart aches by the numbers book--i wonder why he doesnt get as much lvoe as like acuff?

haiku
you are also forgetting the faboulous chick version of hillbilly by reba/dolly/loretta--much better then the original

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

anthony i am not forgetting it but rather answering xxxxx's question about history, plus i didn't really know they did a version of it if i'm being honest but i don't care, reba mcintyre IS DEAD TO ME NOW

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, gongrats again, xxhuxx, and sorry for spilling the beans, but I didn't know (so maybe I was the chosen White House leaker-pawn). When I get a little more time, I'll dig up Disc 1 of Fully Realized and tape it for you, it's cool. Whiskey Bent And Hell Bound is one of Bosyphilis's better oldies, and Curb has kept that, as well as a lot of his other (remastered) 70s goodies, listed for $9.99, last time I looked. The Solas was a little girlier than I first thought (but in good as well as unmanly ways), should be on UWeekly next week (Particle's on there today, but not country o course). Also today, the Willie feature is on CharLoaf (a tad fardled at one point in the middle, because I was supposed to "clarify"), but mainly okay: http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/content?oid=56647/

don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

reba is awesome, she is better then almost anyone working today, or was until that stupid sitcom.


xxhuxx you might want to check out aaron pritchett in general and hold my beer as a single--its pretty awesome.

http://www.aaronpritchett.com/downloads.php
video here

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 27 July 2006 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Sorry, this is more direct:
http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/content?oid=oid.566647/

don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry (4 hrs. sleep)http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/content?oid=oid:56647/

don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

might be the last / that's doing it, but seemed like I needed it for the linking, anyway you'll see the title,"I Let My Mind Wander," in the lower left margin; click on that pls, and you'll be there, whoopee. Anyway xpost Ian thanks for your thoughts, I'm sure they pertain, but a lot of people, performers and others, are urban *and* country (esp. as processed in city of Nashville), and also what you describe doesn't nec lead to depressing albums, so if (I still haven't heard) new Chicks is a drag, it's their fault, at least as much as the Situation, etc. (not that there aren't plenty of reasons to be depressed)xxhux, the only time us small town folk don't lock our doors is when we're addled and/or hoping for some compny. One mo time:
http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/content?oid=oid:56647

don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the one, without the slash on the end! Also, anybody got a new release date for (the reworked) Ashley Monroe?

don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I think everyone in small towns locks their doors now but maybe didn't use to and that's why all the nostalgia for it. (We never did, which was good because when I came home from cruising 82nd in Portland I could just walk right in, and I probably would have lost my keys all the time.) But that whole necrophiliac 'oh the good ol times is gone woe is us' stuff is boring me right now, maybe later.

And Anthony I am referring specifically to Reba getting kuntry kudos for dissing the Dixie Chicks behind their backs. Always a great voice and an appealing personality which doesn't come thru on the show. But she is now part of the Axis of Evil, eff her.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

line dancing to alan jackson is more fun then it sounds

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 31 July 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

matt reba didn't dis the dixie chix behind their backs until after the dixie chix dissed her behind her back!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

they didnt though, not really, they were talking about peoples tastes in music, and although it was a dumb statement it wasnt personal the way hers was, and you know all this already

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

what was the anti reba statement?

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Martie McGuire, in Time Magazine: "I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do."

This is being taken out of context by a lot of people who have only read part of the quote, or interpreted as "CHIX DISS KUNTRY STARZ CUZ THEY HATE BLU COLLAR TV AND 'PUBLICANZ" but I don't think she meant it like that. Still kind of a dumb thing to admit out loud though.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I agree with Haiku that the Chicks' clunkily worded Reba diss wasn't "personal" (if you don't want to share space in a CD changer with somebody, or be listened to by "those kinds of fans," whatever the heck that's supposed to mean, how is that not personal, whether Martie meant for it to be taken that way or not? Toby's been in my five-disc changer more than the Chicks this year since he made a better album, so does that mean they don't want me as a fan?), but the claim here is that Reba threw the first stone:

http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/dixie_chicks/message_board.jhtml?c=v&t=727264&m=5543246&o=0&i=4

By the way, that 1970 Charlie Rich album that Edd burned for me, Big Boss Man, is great; my favorite songs on it are "Nice 'n' Easy," "I Can't Even Drink It Away," "Big Boss Man," "Golden Slipper Rose," and the excellently titled "I Do My Swingin' at Home," with probably "Memphis and Arkansas Bridge" next, and the two early '60s singles he added at the end, "Lonely Weekends" and "Who Will the Next Fool Be," at least as good. But I might like the second disc of that Fully Realized twofer LP I bought (aka either Fast Talkin Slow Walkin Good Lookin Charlie Rich or The Best Years, from 1966 on Smash -- Peter Guralnik's liner notes seem confusingly to contradict the note on the back of the album) even more; I'm kinda blown away by how funky the guy could be.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(Martie also severely underrates the extent to which having "a smaller following of really cool people" as fans can limit artists too, obviously.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

so yall really think reba's soft enough for her sitcom cracks that 1) the dixie chicks don't like the bushes (HOW DARE REBA INSINUATE THIS) and 2) the dixie chicks stick their foot in their mouth are really way harsher totally crossing the line more than the dixie chick's 'reba and her fans are garbage and beneath us'???

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think that at all, James. That was sort of my (muddled) point.

Bram Tchaicovsky Strange Man Changed Man (post-Brinsley Schwarz soft Brit country Byrds-jangle powerpop rock pretending to be pub-rock new wave in 1979, just like the Ian Gomm LP I bought but even duller) on now. I think I buy a copy of this album for $1 or less every 15 years or so, and I discover the same thing every time --- namely, that "Girl of My Dreams" (#37 pop in the USA in the late summer of '79, where Gomm's "Hold On" went to #18 a couple months later; "Girl of My Dreams" is better thanks to its "Born to Run" opening and the fact that it's as great a blow-up sex-doll song as any by Roxy Music) is the only non-mushy thing on it. (Okay, "Nobody Knows" churns a little at the beginning in an early Tom Petty kinda way maybe, before it softens up; I dunno, I'll give the LP a couple chances, but I'm really not expecting much.) It's sort of like how every few years I'll order chicken livers in a restaurant and then remember why I haven't ordered them for a few years. Or something.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the Rich Smash material the best; I think "Big Boss Man" is a good Billy Sherrill record (BS did good stuff with Jones, too). To my ears, it gives the best-rounded picture of what Rich did. The companion disc to that one, made around the same time and also by Sherrill, I think, is "The Fabulous Charlie Rich," another real good one.

That Trent Willmon record is a great concept album about upward mobility in the class sense, seems like, with a real undercurrent of that desire to make your woman happy while having the real fear underneath it, like she's gonna leave any minute because you don't have enough money, and maybe she's sick of your Ray Wylie Hubbard all the time on the stereo, plus your knuckles, Trent, are a mess from all that tinkering around with that piece of shit truck in the driveway. Perhaps the emblematic line is the one that goes "You can't blame a country boy for tryin'/And I did the best I could." Trent seems to realize his hard-shell redneck tendencies and wants to pull back, like when he realizes he's looking right through his woman (seen that look myself from good ol' boys down here, and probably guilty of giving it myself from time to time), and then he gets her coffee the Way She Likes It, probably with those little individual Kreamers you get at the convenience store (bait is available too, and WD-40 for that fucking bolt that's stuck on that goddam truck), the ones that have International Flavors, Irish Setter Mist. "Baby, is the Irish Cream your favorite, or how 'bout this Amaretto Splash...? More sugar...?" But he maybe gets the coffee thrown in his face, that'll wipe that thousand-yard stare off your face. And of course, "Surprise" is excellent, and this is where his sensitivity and receptivity to new modes of coffee enhancement and perhaps male enhancement (when is a country star gonna make one of those commercials, I mean Trace Adkins in a bar and so drunk he forgets to tuck his johnson back in, so everyone is transfixed by his enhancement), and certainly to some specific wishes on the part of his partner, really pay off--he ends up in a high-rise with a jacuzzi, and Ray Wylie sure sounds good there too. "Baby, lemme play one for ya that's for the con-ess-yours, 'Choctaw Bingo.' Ever watch the History Channel...?" Like Tony Soprano, a little afraid of Kulture but when it comes attached to a pretty ass or face, open as all hell. In short, one savvy guy who plays off the competent-plus that is self-effacing, can change a tire quick or tighten up that squealing belt (hey, this spray I got here will get that squeal out, baby, until we can git this ol' belt replaced, let me take you down to Auto Zone, yeah, this ol' truck's a little dirty but it runs real well...you like Willie, ever *really listened to* 'Red-Headed Stranger'?"

And in "Good Horses to Ride" he learns from the best bullshitter, Tut, still dreams of "Conquistador Gold" (like Tony Soprano in the episode where he dreams he's a Roman emperor...hey, ever watch the History Channel?), and gets off an eloquent line about "concrete and steel they spread like the plague/Consuming the rivers,, the mountains and the plains." In short, a great line of bullshit and one designed to help him get that classy, elusive woman he's always wanted, a real evolutionary step or two up in this hat-act thing. And I think the music's pretty great, really cool choruses that manage to play off the rockin' verses, the usual excellent guitar...good album, and the only one I can't stand is "Night in the Ground," yet another live-like-you're-dying song, pretty lame for what seems to be an imaginative guy who can see Comanches "in them breaks to the south." But, an interesting contrast to what Toby wants to do, wall 'em up and play with 'em? Women just want to be kept at home, eh, guys? Trent knows better.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

xp (Actually, Bram's 2nd best track is probably his "I'm a Believer" cover. Which may or may not be better than Smashmouth's, who knows.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

But mainly his album just reminds me once again that British people can't sing (though pub-rock did seem to produce a whole bunch of exceptions, and in 1979 they were all over the place).

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"Turn on the Light/We gonna wreck the place tonight"--man this Bram T. track would totally put a foot in your ass (it's the British way) and spill some blood on the dancefloor if the Count Bishops or even Eddie & the Hot Rods or Ducks Deluxe or the Motors was doing it, but Tchaicovsky's band (who had some connection to the Motors, I think, but I'm not exactly sure what) are just way too polite about the thing. They also don't have the prettiness of, say, the Records (whose "Starry Eyes," bizarrely, did not go Top 40 in the US)

(Sorry about the tangent folks, but it is country, sort of.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

haha: james b. intentionally seeing only one side of dixie chick comment so he can work up indignant anger on the part of good-ol-salt-of-the-earth supermultimillionaire reba

i already said it was a dumb comment, because mm left herself wide open for that interpretation. but there's no 'reba's garbage' there at all unless you're desperate to see that. if anything it's misguided rockism. (and no i don't think it started with the bush family reunion thing, that was just kind of a lame sitcom line and not malicious at all and I don't think they were reacting to it.)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

You don't have to stretch too far to see "Reba's fans are garbage" in there, Haiku; in fact, you have to stretch pretty far not to see it. I could give a flying fuck for Reba myself; when was her last good album, Whoever's in New England 20 year ago? Or For My Broken Heart in 1991, maybe? Never heard it, but that one had a couple good singles I guess. Either way, it's been a while; can't remember the last thing she did I cared about). But most of her fans aren't supermultimillionaires, I don't think. And I bet most of them had no reason to hate the Chicks, until now.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

but but but that's not what she meant...haha now i'm Capn-Save-A-Chick!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

What did she mean, Haiku? And I'm not saying being hated doesn't have benefits (which might be the point, in which case more power to Martie.) I have no problem with the Chicks pissing people off. If anything, they don't do it enough. I'm just saying that acting like jerks toward fans might not be the canniest career move.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

My interpretation is that it's kind of like if Chris Martin said "I don't want Coldplay to be in the same five-disc changer as Oasis and Robbie Williams, I want fans that get us" or some nonsense like that.

Although, y'know, fuck it, if she meant "fans of Toby Keith and Reba McIntyre are stupid assholes who don't understand how awesome we are because they are hayseed buttmunchers," then I can't think of another American musical group that would have more of a reason to feel that way based on recent history.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Martie was trying to say two things: (1) If we want to please the bulk of Reba and Toby fans, this will prevent us from doing a lot of stuff that we want to do [this is obviously true], (2) Reba's and Toby's fans aren't as cool as our fans [this isn't as obviously true]. Those really are two different points, and she shouldn't have run them together. I kind of don't think she meant to say she doesn't want to associate with Reba or Toby fans, but I can see how people could read her that way.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I think she was saying 'Reba's and Toby's casual fans [remember these are people who only have three CDs in their five-disc changer] aren't as cool as our most intense and therefore ideal fans'. But I have said way too much about this and watch, they'll start playing "I HATE SOUTHERN WORKING CLASS LOSERS" in concert. I'll be so embarrassed.

In other news, Chip Taylor's two-disc album, Unglorious Hallelujah / Red Red Rose is still awesome.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post, sorta. I listened to the Rodney Atkins last night, and found it very enjoyable, (esp. Cleaning My Gun) if not amazing. Agree that Trace's "Swing Batter" track is good--stuck in my head the past few weeks.

I've heard a song by Josh Gracin (early American Idol finalist working with Rascal Flatts) a few times now--"My Favorite State of Mind" I think its called. I was kinda suprised at how much I liked it considering what a wet bag of salt he was on the TV show. Anyone with an opinion?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw this t-shirt while wandering aimlessly on the interweb yesterday:

http://www.standarddeluxe.com/store_c.php?pageNum_s_c_simg=0&portid=158

My first instinct was to be anoyed by it: I take it to mean that country music is a thing of the past. It's a dodgy critical trick: don't get involved in an argument about whether a genre's currently good or bad, try to claim it's dead, imply that what's using the name at the moment's a fraud. (Philip Larkin pulled the same trick with regard to modern jazz, btw.)

Possibly I'm displaying the heightened sensitivity of the recent convert.

In other news, I am hatching a plan to visit Nashville, finally. I very much hope this plan comes off.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim, let me know if you make it down to Nashville (or over, or up...).

I am in the middle of doing my Trent Willmon opus; the post on TW above was an attempt to get loosened up to do it. Musically, I think Trent's record is pretty bleh; but any record that has, what, two or three songs about "changeable" women, two songs that mention "bobbers," and two in a row that extol the virtues of skinnydipping...conceptual: he's, in my estimation, *easy with unease*. I find his vocals corny and overly professional, but I still think this is one fascinating and kind of important country record.

and it's not country, but I think Andy Fairweather Low's new one, "Sweet Soulful Music," is superb; and yeah, Brits can't sing, but can we make an exception for the Welsh? (and there is a sort of Nashville connection with Low; some of his '70s records were partially done here, and he used many great Nashville session guys on some of them.)

it's not pubrock, it's more focused, seems to me; but damned if I don't halfway think the new one is even better than his stuff from thirty years ago, he sings better. he's 58 years old today.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Andy's La Booga Rooga was one of my post-played of the 70s, and he had a lot of other goodies too (yeah, all the way back to the Amen Corner, when they were duking it out with Small Faces and Peter Frampton And The Herd, for many a young bird's heart and pence). Brits can't sing (with xxhuxx-preseved italics in the original) was a stage whisper of Mr.Frith's, in one of his "Letter From Britain" Creem columns, I think. I forget what he was listening to.It might even have been when he was grossed out by cheeky Bea'uhls singles, re-released in mid-Punk: "the *chirpiest* group ever!" He's not just talking notes, of course. But I think it's truer of Brit (and American and other) males than females, and yes, let's not tar the Queen's Welsh-Scots-Irish captives(except for Bono etc.) with the same brush. Speaking of healthy Irish/Irish(and one German)-American female lungs: http://www.uweekly.com/story.php?iidart=3474

don (dow), Thursday, 3 August 2006 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, a stage whisper.

my mother died this morning. I was there when she died, along with my sister and my father. She was bedridden the last week, and stopped eating and drinking last Thursday. Funeral Friday. She was 71, born near Savannah, grew up there and in Statesboro, Ga., and in and around Augusta/N. Augusta/Aiken, S.C. Lived in Tennessee since about '55.

These things, you think you're ready for them, but you never are, and as I sit down for the first time today and think, it's hitting me.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 3 August 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm so sorry, Edd. It's good that you were all there for her.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 3 August 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Battle of the debut singles about listening to other artists:
"Tim McGraw" by Taylor Swift vs. "Let's Make Love and Listen Death From Above" by CSS a/k/a Cansei de Ser Sexy; I pick the latter (which more or more seems like it could wind up in my year-end singles top ten even though I was very iffy about their album in a review I wrote for Spin, and which also has nothing to do with c&w music), but feel free to try to convince me otherwise. The Taylor Swift song is admittedly pretty good (also better than anything Tim's done this year, just like the CSS song is better than anything DFA have done, ever. I didn't notice the middle part where they try to *sound* like DFA til I watched the highly adorable video on youtube, during which part they also dress up like DFA elephants.)

Finally watched Toby's "A Little Too Late" video on cmt.com loaded (where I am getting really sick of the Prilosec commercial about the Big N Rich groupies or BnR deadheads or whatever they are), and I found it quite successful. Only part that strikes me as remotely questionable is the shot where it looks like he misses hitting this wife with the shovel and digs it in the cement bag instead; the rest is self-deprecating enough and just convinces me that people are too frigging senstive these days, even if it reiterates that Toby might have some women issues almost as conflicted as, say, the ones Dennis Leary exhibits on Rescue Me. Also: Jeez, what a great song.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 3 August 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd: sympathy and best wishes.

Don: let's not tar the Queen's Welsh-Scots-Irish captives: heh, this'll be British history as learned from "Braveheart", I'm assuming. I was much happier when you were writing off all the Britishes, it seems a bit harsh just singling out the Englishes. (Seems to me the English have as many honourable exceptions as the Scots at least: I'll take the English Dusty Springfield over the Scottish Bobby Gillespie if you know what I mean.)

Anthony: I was all ready to order that CD until your final paragraph! Perhaps I should learn to download stuff, like everybody else.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 3 August 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry for your loss edd.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 3 August 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, you guys. just got back from the funeral home. she had a lot of friends, and I saw some old, old Clarksville folk I hadn't seen in decades. got a phone number from a recently divorced old flame who called me "amazingly well-preserved, for a former drunk," and she's half-right...sense of humor well-preserved too, baby...

filed my trent willmon scene piece. during all this, working has been my salvation. never missed a deadline yet and figured I'd keep that up; my mother would've wanted it that way, a scrupulous person. doing a shortie on wanda jackson's upcoming nashville show w/ amy lavere--talked to wanda on the phone! and she was sexy as hell even at 70, what a burr and a purr in her voice, and she said something to me about how male writers typecast women but never do the same for "some hairy-legged boy" that floored me. now to listen to her (most likely awful_ "I Remember Elvis" CD, which has a pic of the young, sexy(er) Wanda on the cover...

I think that's the right word--I am a bit fried, finally had to calm down with a valium. I ran 5 miles in the dusk last night, just to get back to semi-normal. good to be alive, all that.

anyway, I think Trent's record--having now listened to it maybe 4 times all the way thru, and in my usual method, taking notes on it twice, once for music, once for lyrics--is uneven. but "surprise" seems like a minor masterpiece, and for once his telegraphing the lyrics feels like the right thing to do instead of just cheesy as on the song about "good horses to ride," which I find insufferable. as I do the otherwise quite pleasantly performed "ropin' pen." but his songs about women and their changeable ways are really good...and as I might've said above, this is a good record about skinny-dippin' and fuckin', I guess, but I wish he'd come out and say it. I don't hear much too exciting in the music itself, and the singing can be overripe. but he's onto something here and god only knows, he could turn out to be a menace or even better, a good novelty-song artist. so I rate the record a solid B, but "surprise" gets an A+.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 3 August 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Take care, Edd.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 3 August 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd,in my experience, that's the kind of loss that stays lost, but sometimes you might find yourself growing around it. Not "growing" like losing a parent is One Of Life's Lessons etc but more like hair growing around scar tissue, as if it were the seasons. Yeah, keep working, keep running, sweat some of it out (but pace yrself of course)(xpost Tim, I was mostly just kidding, and notice I got Americans in there too, and allowed for Dusty, as I 'llowed for female singers in general, since I really do prefer them to males, a lot of time, especially in anything likely to be called "rock")

don (dow), Friday, 4 August 2006 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i want to hear that tom swift.
i can burn and email, if you want, tim.
has anyone heard todd snider.

i said the rosary today edd, and am going to mass on monday

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 4 August 2006 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd sent me Lone Official's Tuckasee Take; he was really right about it! (see decription upthread) Also, seems like Y'all, Michael Hurley, Willie Nelson, re the mellow old dude in local cloud, but then there's a headrush or five at certain moments, so kind of a Big Kenny thing too, minus drum machine and vocal toys (so far)(I'm circling with "Amelia Earhart" now)

don (dow), Friday, 4 August 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Well that was different. Despite having just ridden the exercycle while watching war(s) news, and continuig to drink a pot of coffee (the only pot involved on this side of the speakers, honest), still got sort of lacing in and out of consciousness, which seemed appropriate, but maybe not. Certainly some blue alerts on "le coq sportiv" and "lost my ass," and a strong (if that's the word for it), finish, via tracks 15-20 (single-only versions, and then several from their first, s/t 2003 album). Another artist this kind of reminds me of, with the bluegrass twining round yr. sleepwalking ankles, is Vic Chesnutt, and maybe Lambchop, although I mostly know them from their work with Vic.

don (dow), Friday, 4 August 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

should i buy the new lampchop or todd snider

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 August 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never heard Lambchop. Snider's interesting but thin and scraggly in the voice. Is the Snider you're thinking of getting the '90s compilation? I've only heard it once; I recall a rousing cover of "Margaritaville" and a rousing original of "Alright Guy," and a song that seemed about sentiment and memory and then snuck up on me by being about violence and child abuse.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 5 August 2006 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

If I'd had space for another eighty words, this'd have been the final paragraph of my Dixie Chicks piece:

The Chicks' albums have always been spotty, impinged by hokiness on one side and gentility on the other. Their leaving country killed the hokiness, and they've found a way to find intensity within their soft rock. This album may be their best. Still, an opportunity feels lost. At this point, there's no way for them to communicate with their detractors, but I wish they'd felt their way into their detractors' innards. "Goodbye Earl," their murder song from two albums back, is about the glee of a liberating killing rather than about the rage and desperation that caused it. Now, being subjected to the rage itself, they could have learned from it, used it to deepen their music.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and here's my Dylan piece from Paste (scroll down almost to the end to find it), though if you want to see it with paragraph breaks you'll need the newsstand copy. I made a typo, leaving out the word "well" in "Where the executioner's face is always well hidden." Oh well. Or O! well.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, best wishes.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

im thinking about buying the lambchop album for a few lines qouted in this weeks esquire, which im not ure are super cheesy, or rather amazing. (the lines: In the barracks/by the Army Cot/theres a fellow whos just cut his face shaving/And as he bleeds on his pillow in the dark/.waiting for the morning/whe he gets go online to you)

the todd snider album is the devil you know, and i dont know if its a 90s comp but i foudn east nashville skyline a week ago or so, and i love the raw scraggliness of hsi voice, and his wit...so i dont know to go new or go old wrt him

i liked the dylan article, i still dont get the connection to/love for ashlee, and the general article sort of disappointed me, for its lack of soul, hip hop, etc and its general indie tendecies, but i wonder if we can talk about songwriters if we are talkign about production by comittee...(so anything britney sang from Oops, to Toxic, for example are amongst the best writing of the 90s but are rarely acknowldeged; or sexyback the new justin timberlake song, is an almsot perfect peice of writing in how it fits words into rthyms, but no ones mentioning he writing (or Missy, where was Missy on the list?)


anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

yeh, I'd get Todd first, going by Frank's description, and since you like his voice already. Where was the hokiness in Dixie Chicks' previous albums? I thought "Goodbye Earl" was gimmicky, but as a performance (as a recording, with the sad, quiet, steadfast "na, na, na, naaa" 's eventually joining the celebration and general keepin' on keepin' on), it won me over: no hokum in gimmicks, so real true enough. Gentility, yeah, but not too much, especially not on Fly or Home, the latter is intense as hell. Still haven't heard the new one, but as I posted way back, Sasha was a bit frustrated by it too, by the lyrics, though liked the tunes and singing, but likin' ain't lovin'. Great that you got the Paste cover story, and deservedly so.

don (dow), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

(I think xxuhxx likes Todd too?) I haven't set a good example by Searching this thread for the exact New Yorker quote, but Sasha said something close to: "For lesser artists, an album this harmonically confident would be a coup. But coming from the Chicks, it's a bit disappointing, like watching Muhammad Ali hurt a man's feelings." They never were Ali, but yeah, friends and enemies were hoping for more than they got, judging by most of what I've read. But, I'll probly like it fairly well, especially considering the Sargasso of this year's mainstream country (recent article bubbled about how great sales are, and mostly named albums that have been worked since '04. Which should make '06's Top Ten a no-brainer, as we used to say in '04, and still do, by cracky.) New Dierks and M.Gentry this fall, praise Allah!

don (dow), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

see i never got the whole soft rock thing from the dixie chicks--even on something like landslide.

landslide is actually a really good example. the last time i heard it was in a wal mart in central bc, in prince george, picking up film. it should fit into such a place, a lower, softer, cover of a song that was low and soft to begin with. but waiting to buy my goods, i kept listening to it, and its not my favourite dixie chicks song, but it has a intesity of feeling and devotion, a permeant kidn of sadness, that i haev a really hard time talking about. the idea that understantement can be as emotionally/musically evocotive as overstatement is something that i have been thinking al ot about lately, and the dixie chicks embody it perfectly. landslide sounds worn, broken, devoid of content, aird, exhausted in a way that is rare in country.

other examples:
on travelin' soilder, the slight emphasis on vietnam, or the almsot whisper of conversation in the first verse, or how the correspondance is mentioned--think of it in other veitnam songs, like dear john or vietnam by porter wagner--and see what seems like rhetoric, and what seems like a confused narrative, from someone who doesnt know exactlty how they feel...

(also, similar feelings on If I Fall You’re Going Down With Me,Cowboy Take Me Away Ready to Run Tonight The Heartache’s On Me Wide Open Spaces There's Your Trouble I Can Love You Better, etc)

the feeling i think, is taking the domestic, and not feeling good about it, and not feeling bad about it, but feeling profoundly unsettled...

i think that the trouble w. the whole london mess, was that they became settled, and though i like this last album, the sadness has disappeared, andthe fuck you has come, and well they cant do fuck you, they arent good at fuck you.

toby, toby is good at fuck you, but then you cant really imagine him sad (big blue note is a failure for that reason) (and he is the only male country singer right now who isnt perpertually down)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 August 2006 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link

male, mainstream country singers is what i meant.
and MG might be the exception, but they always seem to be fronting.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 August 2006 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link

todd snider, as i've written before here, is way too much a demo singer for my tastes (though probably not anthony's tastes); he should just have gary allan sing all his songs and be done with it...or, okay, maybe not, that's an exagerration. that greatest hits album, whatever it was called, was not bad (i think i still have it in a storage box somewhere -- frank, didn't you compare some song to a yardbirds raveup upthread?), and east nashville skyline is probably even better, thanks at least in part to "the ballad of the kingsmen" (which concerns marilyn manson as much as the kingsmen) and "conservative christian right wing republican straight white american males," which i believe made the number ten slot of my nashville scene country singles ballot a couple years ago, though i was probably cutting it way too much slack for agreeing with it and finding its title amusing and timely in a difficult year. still: the fella's smart. and he's got a sense of humor. and robert christgau considers him the best thing since sliced bread. so there you go.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 5 August 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

im curious what you consider my taste xhuxk

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 August 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck's right; todd's a demo singer like amy rigby. gary allan's "alright guy" is so, so much better than anything todd coulda done.

really good paste on dylan, frank.

lambchop: I have a really good one-disc comp my buddy david scott put together for me; beyond that, I find them a one-joke band. I'm all for the bobby womack-isms of their production style combined with that pedal steel, and in theory I like kurt wagner's determination to expose his lower-middle-class angst in that diaristic, laconic, evasive fashion; and above all I like the way the records sound. I had a discussion with some Music Critics here about who is really responsible for lambchop's sound; I think it's mark nevers; others think it's wagner; on the evidence of the pre-nevers stuff, the (to my ears) amazing sound nevers gets on lone official and other bands, it's obviously nevers. in other words, this is insular formalism of the kind that nashville never grows out of. and that's why I like lone official so much, because they seem more willing to enter into the world, and don't seem resentful toward the bigger world of pop music, and I find them generous in spirit, as don says, "amelia earhart" is pretty fine, and while I won't disagree with the many folks who find them (and it) the best pavement record pavement never made, my buddy blair who's a pavement fan, went with me to see them and declared that they have far more musical savvy than pavement. so maybe the clintonian '90s are finally resurfacing in Music City, maybe there's some kind of pocket of optimism in this boomtown. or maybe lone official finds some kind of hope in the compulsive betting, and the beauty of horse racing, that they can't stop writing about.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 5 August 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

haha sfj re: chix - 'One wonders what would have happened if The Beatles had sulked for three years after John's "bigger than Christ" comment.'

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 5 August 2006 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

im curious what you consider my taste xhuxk

anthony, i just generally presume you have a higher tolerance for lower-energy singers than i do; that's all...

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 5 August 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i probly do, and the opposite is most likely true as well.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 August 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen the SFJ comment in context, but on its own it seems pretty dumb. The Beatles weren't blackballed and threatened by their prime audience. Also, the Chicks' album isn't sulky.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, I've only written 20,000 words or so on Ashlee on the Rolling Teenpop Thread, so if you don't get why I love Ashlee or connect her to Dylan, that's not my fault. Briefly, for those of you who've never visited that thread and want to know the Dylan comparison, Ashlee sings - second stanza of her first song - "I walked a thousand miles while everyone was asleep," and whether she knows it or not the "I" in that line puts her right in the Byron romantic tradition that Dylan embodies in stuff like "It's Alright Ma" and "A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall." She makes claims for herself, promises a moral and intellectual quest. And the marriage of darkness and light is a huge theme of hers.

I summarize this a bit on my MySpace blog, for anyone who's interested and doesn't have the time for an Ashlee search on the teenpop thread.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

OHH GAWD Anthony, it's all your fault if you don't know: Ashlee is bigger than the Jesus Beatles, she's post-millenial Teena Marie, in Frankonography (hey anybody heard Teena's recent albums, she's done s couple, right? Or at least one, this side o' the century).Ashlee's good, judging by what Frank burned for me (thanks). Hey men, Gary Allan should sing all of everybody's songs that are worthy. But scraggly ol' Todd's gotta be better than most of the Lambchop I've heard; I mainly just thought of that because of very brief use of horns on a few L.O. songs, the kind of low-horn that gets way too lugubrious in Lambchop (too often, though not always). Also, I think I finally remembered the Nevers connection, kind of ,when I heard the passing horns. Now I'm writing about X, and just listened to Meet John Doe, where he's sometimes holding notes way too long, making it all too un-concise and too clear, that Exene ain't here. But then, he does a good version of a Hank Cochran song, and (with another cover or two, but also several originals)he even does good pop-mainstream country!(That is, it sounds fairly recent, not like Hank, and even though it was recorded ca. 1990; maybe it's just that the guys who started around then have become dominant? But I'm even thinking of younger-than-those guys Tim McGraw, kind of, like "When The Stars Go Blue"--which was written by Ryan Adams, come to think of it, so there's your alt-to-mainstream connection, and fits with what Doe's doing in 1990. John Doe, pioneer of the late-Hat template, who knew? Not me, anyway.) xpost speaking of Rodney A., a guy at work used to put Rodney's 100 Promises and Tim's All I Want in the carousel, and I was never sure where one left off and the other started, but lots of good stuff.

don (dow), Sunday, 6 August 2006 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link


ive read the threads, ive listened to teh albums, i cant make the jump b/w dylan and ashlee...im not insulting you or anything, talking about my reaction...im sorry if i sounded like a jerk. i wonder what the subtext or the political implications of moving ashlee into dylan are, what remains unsaid, about using rockist language to talk about pop...

stars go blue is closest to that low meloncholy of the dixie chix that i was mentioning early

i will end up buying those albums

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:50 (eighteen years ago) link

actually
im going to erase that last entry, b/c it makes me look like an asshole.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder if its an age thing.
i listened to dylan from birth, and was told from birth that he was the best song writer ever, a master poet. the thing is, ive listened to dylan off and on for my two and a half decades, and some of it i like well enough, and i can identify intellectually why this is "good" but it doesnt hit me in the belly. (except tangled up in blue, and his jesus work) what does the phrase "marriage b/w life and death mean"--it might be there, i might not have spent enough time readnig or lsitening, but its like paglia saying that elvis was like byron when their were more interesting things for elvis to be about that are closer to home.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the chix album is the dull rock album they accused contemporary country of being on their last album (shockah - big$rich, toby, montgomery gentry, a million other country acts better at it than the chix), also call me crazy but 'dropped from some radio playlists + subject to mass record burnings/demolitions' strikes me as conceivably worse than just 'dropped from some radio playlists' - i know you want to pretend the Incident defines all re: the chix and their career, fake martyrdom's an easy hook for fake insight, but i'm wondering how come exactly their fanbase is just now dropping so sharply? in 03 some radio statios dropped them from their playlists - yknow after the third huge hit single from the album had already played itself out - but the record kept selling steady, they still sold out shows no problem. this year the new one (boy rick rubin has the midas touch when it comes to country doesn't he?) hasn't cleared double platinum and they've had to cancel dates. now one might think this is becuz they took three years to followup with a dull rock album (cletus judd should record 'not ready to write songs') and spent most of the interim and the whole of the promotion talking about how they think most of the people who've bought their records in the past are garbage and how they wish those people wouldn't buy their records anymore ("mission accomplished") OR (if there's a byline in it) one could think that actually bush is wildly more popular in 06 than 03, that the chix fanbase didn't want to act rashly in 03 but having pondered it awhile decided this year to make a stand (with the proof in the pudding being look at how tim mcgraw and faith hill's trashing of bush has destroyed their careers too!). 3 of country music's strengths are hooks, humility, and humour and i'm not sure what's less surprising - that the chix abandoning all three (when they were esp esp strong at two of those three once upon a time) might lead to the nadir of their career or that it would get a ton of pats on the back from lazy rock critics (in which case if releasing dull hookless rock albums, alienating your audience, and tossing vague basically apolitical antibush barbs around on stage are the mark of bravery where the hell is pearl jam's medal of honor?). under worse circumstances the beatles went back to work and recorded sgt. pepper's, the dixie chix sulked for three years, trashed those who'd stood by them during the Incident, and released a glenn frey album to lots of good ink from people who'd written about country maybe twice before this, a target sponsorship, and the worst sales of their career post-'there's yr trouble'. i'll take sgt. pepper's (minus 'lucy in the sky with diamonds').

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 6 August 2006 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link

excellent writing j

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost

Well, the language of romanticism saturates pop as well as rock, and as a lot of you know, I think the word "rockist" explains nothing, is just a buzzword, laziness. But Ashlee's romantic questing "I" (as opposed to various blues "I"s), as well as the linking of angry vocals to that quest (anger a ripping away from normality), tends to enter pop music w/ Dylan.

I don't know what you mean by "politics." To notice that pop lyrics mean something is to challenge people who don't notice it, but those people don't show up on ilX a lot (and get their ass handed to them when they do). I suppose there are people here who think that you should listen to rock only in rock ways and should listen to pop only in pop ways, and that pop is supposed to be "artificial" and "superficial" and should be celebrated as such. But I don't know if there's a particular politics involved in telling these people that their head is up their ass.

Ashlee tends towards reconciliation rather than counterculture (even if her videos show revelers partying beyond cop control), which makes her a "political" challenge to those who insist that it's the job of rock to unsettle the status quo. Conversely, if she fails to reconcile, this may end up being more of a genuine critique of the mainstream (though not intended as such) than the bohemian posturing that aspires to such a critique. But it doesn't have to be such a critique to be great rock.

"I was trapped inside someone else's life and always second best" is as eloquent a description of oppression as one could wish for, but Ashlee doesn't portray it as oppression but rather just the condition of her childhood, a condition that it's her own responsiblity to abandon (the reward being that she gets to re-approach her family as an equal, and therefore gets to love them, finally). Whereas Dylan in his early work would only write equivalent lyrics - "she never sat once at the head of the table" - about someone else's being oppressed. It wasn't until his mid twenties that Dylan gave us anything that might actually be the conditions of his own childhood ("look out, kid, you're gonna get hit," "don't wanna be a bum, you'd better chew gum," etc.). Think of Dylan being like Ashlee rather than vice versa. Dylan the brat, the glamworder. Not Dylan the celebrated "poet."

Anthony, you're not being insulting, but the problem is that you're not saying anything. E.g., if you don't think that, as I claim, Ashlee's using anger cadences in the chorus of "Shadow" that were brought to pop music in the mid '60s by Jagger and Dylan, then just what is it that you think she's doing instead in that chorus? Or if you don't see any resemblance between "I was trapped inside someone else's life" and "she never sat once at the head of the table," then what do you see? If you don't think when Ashlee says she'll walk a million miles to find out what this shit means that she's declaring a romantic and moral quest, then what do you think she's declaring?

Maybe there's an incipient politics in Ashlee's being a glamour puss rather than being a ragged troubadour or a good little punkette, and being a rocker in pop clothing.

You could say that, like Ashlee and Dylan and Elvis, I don't know my place; which is to say that rather than merely serve music or critique it, I use my writing to participate in the music and compete with it, to preen and dazzle and sing. And that's a long-running power struggle too, so you can call it "politics" if you want to, the war between writing and journalism.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

under worse circumstances the beatles went back to work and recorded sgt. pepper's

Blount, you're an idiot.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still putting my thoughts together about the new Dixie Chicks album - having listened to it about 30 times through. But I can say that the album isn't dull, isn't boring, and isn't "fake." That said, I think the best song on the album is 'Easy Silence,' and though 'Not Ready to Make Nice' is a great song - it's not creme de la creme of the Chicks.

My thoughts on the last Chicks album influences my opinion of this one - or at least my execution in explaining my opinion. The best song of the last album - bar none - was 'A Home' (second, 'Traveling Soldier'). At the time I had been reading "Set This House in Order" about MPD. At the heart of the novel, and at the heart of the Chick's song (and the reason the two became linked for me) was a soft plot that distracts from the essential tension. In "Set This House in Order" the distraction comes from the humor - the pow is the disaster at the heart of the novel (abuse, mental disease). In 'A Home', the distraction is this classic country theme: You left me, we broke up, I was wrong, so sad. The pow is the chorus: "Not a night goes by I don't dream of wandering, through the home that might have been." The tension in 'A Home' isn't the breakup, but rather the potential of what might have been. There's an apocolyptic emptiness that the Chick's are playing towards in the song. It isn't sad because of the now, but rather because of the future. They are living into the pain that they are singing about in the now. The oddness (and shocking-rawness) of this is that every time the song is played is the now. It never becomes the future of discontent and pain, so the pain is never eased. They are constantly staring into an empty future.

Come to 'Easy Silence' which is essentially about being protected from the world. "The way you keep the world at bay for me." The trade-off between the Chorus and Verse is similiar to the one in 'A Home.' The verse seems to be about the reactions to the Chicks, or the war, etc. The Chorus though ignores those facts. It embraces a peaceful quiet and easy silence. The tension is the album-burnings, Bush, the war, the media, etc. The pow is that they just want the Easy Silence that the song promises. Ironically, because the song isn't silent - the tone is soft, but it isn't quiet. There is a lot of noise going on behind the pretense that the Chicks are embracing.

On the Teenpop thread I argued about the merits of Lily Allen's Smile over LDN because of the authenticity of Smile over the implied sincerity of LDN. Here I'd argue the same thing. Frank said in the recent voice that he wants to see the Chicks express their anger, but I want to the argue the opposite. Easy Silence is a better song than Not Ready to Make Nice because it's a more subtle mission statement that clobbers the listener from behind. Are they saying that they want to be taken care of? That they don't want to have to deal with the world? It flies in the face of the Chick's presented image: That they are tough and will fight. It's gorgeous. So while I'd agree with j, that the Chicks didn't make their Sgt. Pepper's, I'd argue that they got closer to it. That by *not* embracing the politicization of the Bush-fiasco, and not pandering to rock critics, they made a beautiful album (Lullaby, Silent House, Voice Inside My Head, I Hope).

I'm sure I'll refine this later,, but this is where I stand right now with the Chicks: They are best when they *aren't* being self-conscious and *aren't* addressing their issues. They have a subtle vulnerability that comes through with this album more than the last one, because they have been hurt by more. I just hope they are able to eradicate any attempts to be mainstream, and that their country audiences appreciate that the Chicks are *exactly* what the audiences have been saying their aren't. (And j is also right that they need more humor.)

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Though I'd say "I Hope" is funny in a number of ways - but it needs to be present in more of their songs.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

massive xpost

this is going to get me in shit, but im going to say it anyways.

i think that ashlee strings angst ridden teenage cliches that sound good. the i that you talk about a romantic, i see as the solipism of a bored teenager. there are places where i like her voice, but she hasnt figured out how to use it yet, and often it grates.

the bored teenage stuff comes thru in dylan. the gum/bum line is an example of it, but why is that good writing?

and the glam thing to, the sunglasses in teh back of the limosuine and all of that nonesense, but at least dylan was destructive--he built up and tore down, and built up again. but then so did cher. (with the nose job maybe ashlee is the new cher) (and cher declared a quest too--which pop star/musical artist/mtv wunderkid hasnt decalred some kind of desire for indpendence and desire for ones own autonomy?)

reconcilltion is a really interesting word, because i find ashlee intergrative to the whole late capital excess, the mtv culture.

all of that working against, rebellion that you seem to find in ashlee, maybe i find in britney, who i think is a better performer, writer, actor, musician, star then ashlee will ever be, and who burnt out after 4 albums and 10 singles, is a really good example--because i think britney knows what games are being played against her, and she deconstructs them---all of that romanticism that you give to ashlee i find in britney.

britney knew her body, her history, her lyrics, and that supercompact, hyper aware, romantic ambiguity, one claims for ashlee, i see in her.

if you want a line that matches "I was trapped inside someone else's life and always second best" which i think i wrote in my poetry notebooks at 16, then look at lucky:

Lost in an image, in a dream
But there's no one there to wake her up
And the world is spinning, and she keeps on winning
But tell me what happens when it stops?

which is more bowie then dylan, sure but then bowie is a better songwriter?

(i am not sure i am saying anything here, again, let me try again: dylan knows his place, and has spent the last 30 years fucking with us, cause hes a legend, adn he can do that; elvis was an artifact of colnel tom; ashlee is in an opedial fury with joe, something that remains unacknowledged;and we give pop starts 5 years, instead of 40...)

where do you think ashlee will be in 20 years? in 5?
is this kevin federline, cheetos and meth schitck that ms spears is doign right now the motorcycle crash

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, James, sorry for calling you names. You're not an idiot, and there's a lot that's really interesting about that post. You and I have a very different sense of the Beatles' cultural position in the mid '60s, however.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The "Lucky" line reminds me of the Band's "Stage Fright," actually. (Though I haven't heard that song in about 30 years.)

Ashlee singing lines that you wrote in your notebook at age 16 seems pretty good. Also, singing teen angst clichés isn't incompatible with being connected to Dylan. The reason I wrote "You're not saying anything" above is that you were just repeating variations on "I don't see the connection between Ashlee and Dylan" and "I don't get what the big deal is about Dylan." Whereas if we're to engage intellectually you should be heading more towards, "This is how Frank connects Ashlee to Dylan, but I would map things differently, for instance..." and "this is the story Frank tells about Dylan, but I come up with different stories from those same songs, for instance..." Which you're starting to do now. Obviously, understanding why I see things the way I do doesn't require that you agree with my way. But there's no virtue in failing to understand.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

(Also, since we're on a country thread, we should probably steer the discussion more towards Dylan than towards Ashlee; but I hope people will think of "Dylan 1965 like Ashlee 2004" as saying something about Dylan as well as Ashlee - maybe something they hadn't thought of.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank said in the recent voice that he wants to see the Chicks express their anger

No I didn't. The person who wrote the subhed did, maybe, but I didn't. I didn't express an opinion on the matter. I personally think the Chicks do anger well, but everything - anger, loss, peacefulness - would be better if they thought deeper and harder, which is what I was really calling for. More and better thought. By cutting deeper I meant understanding further.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i still want to get on this idea of the dixie chicks as quiet---they have been angry from the beginning, but seething...

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

frank

can you talk a bit about ashlee, dylan, joe, mtv, and columbia?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 August 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link

(1) Unless there's someone else who doesn't understand why James's "under worse circumstances" in regard to the Beatles in - what was it, '66? '67? - is colossally ignorant, I'll drop the matter. (Well, super briefly, prime audience didn't turn on them and didn't care about the issue, boycott didn't take hold, no discernible loss in airplay, no discernible loss in sales, remained most popular group in the world, basically a non-event.)

(2) Don't know much about Joe, actually, and would take the discussion to the teenpop thread if I did, though it's interesting that Joe helps to promote a song that takes him to task (first line of "Shadow" is, "I was six years old when my parents went away"). But conflict with manager/dad isn't part of the Ashlee Legend in the way that conflict with record company is part of the Pink Legend - she sang a song about it - and the Shakira Legend and in a very minor way the Dylan Legend.

(3) Obv. Ashlee isn't the innovator that Dylan or Elvis was. Modern teenpop doesn't totally match up with previous teenpop, and there are musical changes going on, but incremental ones coming from a whole bunch of artists. You might say the same with the pop/adult contemporary that the Chicks are now part of; there are some things that mark the new Chicks album as an '00s album, even if a lot of it obviously draws on the '70s.

(4) As for the quietness issue, what you're trying to say reminds me of what I'd say about "Rhiannon" and "Dream" and Coney Island Baby, which I considered not "soft rock" but "quiet hard rock." Not sure I don't think some of the Chicks is soft rock and folkie restraint, but I do think I get the point you're making. "Quiet" and "seething" aren't incompatible.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, one more thing about Joe, which I'll discuss elsewhere: he'd been an adolescent psychologist and youth counselor as well as a Baptist minister, and perhaps Ashlee's her father's daughter in some respects: the line that follows "I was trapped inside someone else's life and always second best" is "Oh I love you now, 'cause now I realize, that it's safe outside to come alive in my identity," which is a rather prosaic song line but moves the hell out of me anyway. (There's always the chance that Kara or John had the idea for that line, but I'm not betting on it.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Which brings up a question in regard to country, which is how much is country taking in modern psychotherapy and Oprah and all that? I think the answer is "quite a bit," but I don't have time to elaborate now.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

what james says about beatles and dixie chix seems like a way to get at something--the beatles had alienated some of their audience with their '66 "jesus never played hamburg" remark is where he's coming from, seems like; seems like a rather inexact comparison, since the cultural position of the beatles was fairly universal in the western world in 1967, the chix don't approach that level of everywhere-ness. but maybe it is just a dull record with no hooks, and maybe it's time for them to move on into some other kind of music, settle down. they want to be artists and not stars; real pop musicians gen'lly want both, hoss. even real driven country stars want it all, they just don't articulate it in those terms that we as sons-and-daughters-o'-beatles are necessarily all that fluent in. confounded weird populist dilemma, those chix. since i never thought they were really all that good, i don't care about their career, but i guess their very anonymity suggests some kind of populist thing i'm not smart enough to figure out, some crochet the country audience that they think they can reside in, speak to. just sounds like the typical move wildly successful artists make at some point, into the involutions of figuring out how they outgrew their audience?

seems like oprah is a big influence on country right now; celeb-fucking is everywhere and i don't see country as immune from that, it's in fact a species of it, and that's how crafy a guy like chesney is, he gets critics to write about him as some sort of new boho that ain't a boho and he's just another celebrity, albeit one with a very expensive hat on. ditto the chix: i mean come on, are they really that worthy of any big consideration beyond the sociological? there are values in that music, and i suppose they have their "experimental" tendencies just like the beatles, but they always seemed manufactured, three mannequins of varying femaleness who *actually play the banjo* and all that, and are droll about being dixie chix who know all too well the limits of both dixie- and chix-dom. just like madonna or any pomo star, sure there's some good music, but mainly it's just the name itself and the fact that there's some supposed oppositional, female-empowerment shtick happening and you know what happens when you're a woman and buck the system. your fans desert you, and the ones who bought into the opposition the most heavily continue to support the group no matter what--there's "feeling" there because it's country, where with madonna, it's about pure wealth and power making its own rules, and in the case of the beatles, there's a dazed, awed consensus that "this band is the best because they dared to be themselves and they keep changing, endlessly mutating, from 'she loves you' to tim leary and 'tomorrow never knows' in a mere three years! art!" but as someone said above, country is about feeling and humility, something madonna isn't famous for and something the beatles floated above, and something a group like the chix are bored with, just like they're probably too bored and too arrogant to bother with the "hooks" that james doesn't find on the new record.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't have time for this thread - i need to print it out some time.

i saw the chix live last week, and was wondering if their style change is or is perceived to be a necessary response to the growth of their fanbase. tim mcgraw and faith hill were already making arena-ready rock and pop, but the chix' bluegrass-based sound is more delicate and unfortunately can get drowned out in madison square garden. it's still what draws me to them, but i also learned to get off on their sound when it got girly-skynyrd (though not girly-eagles, or unreconstructed fleetwood mac, sorry, tho the fleetwood mac stuff is admittedly catchy). the problem is that persona-wise, the non-natalie girls are a bit too prim (and the show too tightly professional), and they can't be skynyrd if their music doesn't move more (and their backing guitars were really muddy). maybe it would have worked better outside with a big sky.

and yeah, the we're-so-brave-we-hate-bush is pretty facile, and annoying more than twice, but in NYC* at least it got a huge response several times over, and i had to laugh in the encore when they girly-snarled a "stayed in Mississippi way too long" cover.

so are either of the last two albums worth buying?

*where the guy in front of me was wearing a white belt, and the Chesney-costumed guy a few rows down might have been gay. interesting crowd generally - heavily female, obv, lots of dates, lots of moms and pretty young kids, all races represented. is this what a Madonna show is like?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 August 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

country is about humility? tell that to extremely well-represented (though declining) macho strain. lots of people don't like the girls acting like boys.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 August 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

what the show really drove home for me, other than that there are certain categories of bands i don't need to see live, is that natalie's persona hooks me as much as the music

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 August 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Frank. I reread while putting the subhed and the Table of Contents out of mind. You're definitely not saying what the Voice says you're saying - which is weird to realize (that the subhed/ToC so completely colored my reading of the article).

As far as the Dylan v. Ashley thing: I was listening to Dylan at Folksinger's Choice in 1962 - which I think Frank would say is still apart of Dylan's teen-pop era (though I always imagine teen-pop Dylan is Blood on Blood, etc). And what makes the bootleg incredible is, of course, the conversation in between the songs. Where Dylan is feeling around, trying to sense his place in music. His songs aren't "folk songs," they're "contemporary songs."

(nervous giggle in conversation after playing Emmitt Till - Interviewer: Have you sang that for Woody Guthrie? Dylan: Nah, I'm gonna sing it for him.)

There's this figuring out that is going on. I think my problem with Ashley Simpson is that she doesn't have the same emptiness of form that she's working into. The stardom she's trying for has already been mapped out - either by Dylan, or by Madonna, or by her older sister. I don't think you can discount the novel, or the new. Even if Simpson can completely recreate Dylan's ballads, or join him in the Romantic tradition, at best she'll only be the second person to have done so.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

reminds me that on Sheryl Crow & Friends, the live Central Park concert, Chicks more than hold their own with Derek, Keef, etc., esp. swinging "Tombstone Blues" (go go,Natalie, go). And, re my prev post waaay back there, where I mentioned 1990 John Doe as seeming like "pioneer of the late Hat template," and Tim McGraw doing Ryan Adams's "When The Stars Go Blue," then I listene to Exene's old Old Wives Tales, and damn if (in 1989, I think it says) she(with some harmonies) isn't doing something like Chicks' Home, with the dark pop and implications (great on the verse-to-chorus jolt of "A Home," xpost Morty!) "Coyote On The Town" is even like the Chicks x Doors (which reminds me that the Chicks may not have been so wise to go for all-original material this time). I think Frank's point was not that Ashlee is the New Dylan etc; who knows what she'll do, but even if she disappears tomorrow, she's(like previous early New Dylans, like early 70s Bruce and Loudon) made effective use of that 11th grade notebook, etc., that kind of thinking that made Dylan so effective, in terms of his own writing and its effect on vast Baby Boom, America's mass adolescence of thee (like, sorry) Sixtees. Made him, period, careerwise. Also why his concerts are still all-ages shows, the ones I've been to (starting in the 70s).

bamallama (dow), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

eh, bamallama is me. Wouldn't be so surprising if Chicks, esp Natalie into Exene solo, and maybe with X (who were prob into that xpost "Tombstone Blues" too). Considering for inst that they've covered Maria McKee, and when Daddy Lloyd played the hiring/firing foresisters a tape of Nat singing Maria's "Echo Beach," they told him to bring her in so they could sign her up. (for more on Maria and that song, see my ancient "Alias In Wonderland" in Voice)(another "Wonderland" cowgirl, Austraila's Cyndi Boste, just sent me a new album, whoohoo!)

don (dow), Sunday, 6 August 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

and now that you mention Sgt. Pepper's, it feels like Home (unrest)(not that you couldn't say that about a lot of things, and certainly Home doesn't include atonal guitar blasts in their version of these albums' shared art pop chamber insomnia, but both are sleepers still; didn't rate them at first,not beyond Appreciation, but they're growing on me, all these years ago)

don (dow), Monday, 7 August 2006 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

just came by to say how much i love that Robert Earl Keen Live At The Ryman (The Greatest Show Ever Been Gave) album. I'd never heard him before! But part of me feels like this was the perfect introduction. I love the songs and playing so much. Definitely one of my albums of the year. "Gringo Honeymoon", "Merry Christmas From The Family", "Corpus Christi Bay". Such swell songs. I'll have to sift thru this monster thread to see if anyone talked about it.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, every time he came through town, we always sold a bunch of his albums, and had to keep some in stock anyway, cos he was always being discovered.

don (dow), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link

haha the same is true in athens, great act.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

One of those sneaky performers I guess; nothing very flamboyant about his delivery, but maybe it's the contrast with for inst the verses of "The Party Never Stops" (Joe Ely does a good version of that too).

don (dow), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

He writes really good songs! they are funny and clever AND fun to sing along with. what more could you ask for? pathos and tears, i guess. although he does have his serious side on the album. but nothing beats singing along to "FARM FRESH ONIONS!!!!".

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

pleeze tell me anthony doesn't get an e-mail every time someone posts on this thread. i just noticed that.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

what now, do I seem like I'm damning REK with faint praise? Not meant at all (xpost pickin' on English and something else I was called on--my life is shit!)

don (dow), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link

nope i dont

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i have in my possesion the best of jason mccoy cd, its got all the songs i recommended, adn listenign to it again, its going to be my reissue of the year (roadhamemrs dude)

anyone want a burn?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Just in case some of you don't look at the larger board, you should take a look at this thread. Brief summary so far: ilX probably moving to a new server in the next two or three weeks, though possibly will stay where it is. Will probably stay the same format. Unclear if current threads (like this one) will be able to keep going or will be archived - in which case we can simply start a new one. Worst scenario would be that ilX dies altogether, in which case we could find somewhere else to reinvent this thread (though finding a place with single pages and no subthreads - which is one thing that makes ilX so much better than anywhere else - may be a problem). Anyway, just posting this so we can keep our eye on that thread and on developments.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Josh Ritter, the more i listen to he new album, the more i love him--and i think its because he doesnt try to be weird

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Leann Rimes's new pop album out in Europe, apparently not yet coming out in the States; I wasn't aware of this til now; anybody heard it?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000FO45Z2/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/104-7532074-2415914?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link


xhuxk, nope, but her husband was spotted at a nashville gay bar last week.

Published on Poptimist:
Jason McCoy, here, has a lurid, desperate, self loathing quality, and the song is obsessed about a woman who "aint missing missing him". The track has a tabloid restraint, where silences replacing details, and loud noise work in the place of sexual explicitness.

Listen to how he sings two lines at the one minute mark--where McCoy talks about a lover doing things he dont, and wont. He gives a long space of rangy, wiry guitar, before adding the word anymore. In those seconds, our minds grow any large with all sorts of decay. Anymore suggests they did that kind of decadence together.

McCoy does this kind of song well because he still believes in sin (there is a song on this album called I Feel a Sin Coming On) but also pleasure. The two break apart into something wilder then much standard country, and even his most tender ballads have an isolating despair.

From his greatest hits.

YSI here

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

what, where did you hear that about leann's husband, anthony?

I haven't heard "Whatever We Wanna," the new non-US Rimes CD. I know she's got the #1 song in, like, Taiwan. (and there's a fairly nondescript but still interesting little thing on her on MusicCityNews.com.) the last I had heard, she was working with the producer Dan Huff on a new record; and I've heard she plans to release something next year. "Whatever" is on WEA International, and I'll see if I can track down someone to get me a copy. (And wow, she looks sexier 'n usual on the cover...sexier than Tanya Tucker, to me...)

I told Don this--I interviewed Shelly Fairchild this week, she's playing some of her new material here on the 19th and I wanted to take that opportunity to do a short preview of that show. She's been gone from Sony for a while, about a year, and is writing songs which she says are more pop, more funky, and apparenly has recorded, and will do, a cover of a Mother's Finest song whose title she wouldn't reveal. One of the writers she's working with is Richie Supa, I believe it is, who's written hits for Aerosmith...and she's been recording, and will be shopping. Sounded real smart, real canny, and enough of a sense of humor to tell me that she's tough on bands, apparently--her band quit on her ten minutes before a Billy Block radio show here about a year ago.

That Willmon piece I did is in the Scene this week--I don't have the link right here, but you can also check out Tracy Moore's nice coverstory on the olden days of '80s Nashville rock scene, including some nice stuff on Jason and the (Nashville) Scorchers. Brings back memories, since I was here and hung out at those clubs, seeing X and the dB's and the Scorchers (the latter who were ferociously good the couple times I saw 'em...)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

has recorded, and will do, a cover of a Mother's Finest song

Wow, that's totally badass.

Here are Mother's Finest, if you doubt me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQV0pVi0y0

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

id reveal my sources, but it would be rather embarassing (Perez Hilton)

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

just came by to say how much i love that Robert Earl Keen Live At The Ryman

i didn't even know he had another live album out. i think that makes 3 or 4 of those for him. probably the best way to hear him, tho -- he's more fun live, his studio albums can be a little draggy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

gypsy, now that yr here, did that orrin hatch info work out?

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, thanks anthony. i had to condense like crazy because the thing was mostly quotes from his songs, but yr info pointed me toward the whole mormon patriotic hymn tradition. the article's still online, but it's gone behind the subscribers-only wall. i can email you a copy if you want.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i would

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Video for LeAnn's "And It Feels Like", the British single. First impression is that this is powerful but maybe trapped too much in her deep register, and not as catchy as "Dancin' In The Moonlight" (and not as flat-out intense as my favorite ballad of hers, "No Way Out").

Video for LeAnn's "Strong", the German single, which is strong, a power ballad. Again, not a good enough song, though a good performance, goes loud without oversinging.

I like these more than her recent few country singles.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, that should have been "not as catchy as 'Can't Fight the Moonlight'."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"And It Feels Like" is packing a wallop on second listen, more than "Strong." LeAnn does a great Kelly Clarkson look of despair in the video. I think the video is very good, throwing her into the world of class and paparrazi - but, you know, like a celeb, she suffers. Celebs are supposed to suffer.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

A YouTuber set LeAnn Rimes "Headphones," from the new album, as the soundtrack to this video. The song is meant to be bright and catchy but she uses her dark, pained voice in it. I'll need to listen a few times to decide if it works.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, the video is not safe for work.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for those links, Frank. I suppose now I need to figure out exactly what's up with her, and this in'nat'l ablum...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

You didn't like seeing X, Edd? I'm still writing about them, so any thoughts etc.(Anthony, xxhuxx, anybody: Catholic country? I know, guilt x desire, but more spee-cific, also other aspects, imagery, etc) Now to check yr Willmon, Edd (this way, please)

don (dow), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i havent spent much time thniking about X

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 August 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Catholic themes/imagery etc. in country was more what I was asking you and xhuxx about, or whomever; X just had me wondering about that, since they seem to have been influenced by Catholicism and country, among other things, of course. Anyway, really well-doneancient history of Nashville punk, in this week's N.Scene, as Edd mentioned. Great that they got the different people, esp. adventurous club-starters, and the writers of course, not just the musos. And so long, just the right length! How often does that happen any more in the Real Press, damn. Good forensics from Edd on Trent (they should have a show about a squad of investigative rock critics, all dressed in black, and all with the latest enjoyabilty detection equipment,capable of scanning to the quark level and beyond, like it takes these days). I'd forgotten that Costello song he quotes, "A year after they were married, he smashed her plates/now he's in prison, and she's running with his mates." A couple of implied puns, seems like: he thinks, on some level, he's got license to do that (cos marriage license), and now maybe he's making license plates, to make up for smashing hers. But yeah, Elvis did used to seem a bit labored with the popolgy, a little bit clinical, even the way he recorded some of those good songs on This Year's Model. But then he did learn to sing later, but still it's tricky for him, so can see the comparison with Willmon and many others in the Nashville lab. Oversings while trying to convince you he's understated, eh? Yeah, a lot of that going around. At least Toby never tried that; even or especially when he got real sincere, he forthrightly hit a high one out of the park, or into the breeze. Speaking of Trent's insecure macho, and Toby's, I'm of course reminded of my shit, to wit (brief review of Pull My Chain): http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0222,allred,3510,22.html

don (dow), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i always thot that country was almost exculisvey protesant

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 August 2006 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

There's the whole Country 'n' Irish subgenre of course, but I don't suppose that has much coverage over there (it doesn't in the UK either) and is probably beside the point. But it's fair to assume it's predominantly Catholic.

I bought the Lone Official LP and have tried twice to listen to it. It sounds lovely, but both times I have reacted so badly to the fellow's voice that I've had to play something else. This never happens to me (I am after all a Britisher, so I'm used to people who can't sing; also I listened to lots of British indie in the 1980s so I learned to actvely like people who can't sing).

Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Catholic themes/imagery etc. in country

Wow, great question. Are we allowed to count Jon Bon Jovi yet? (I can't even remember what his Catholic imagery was, off hand, but I remember I wrote about it in the Voice once while reviewing his solo album connected to a cowboy movie he did around the turn of the '90s, Blaze of Glory or whatever.) Also you'd think maybe a little of Springsteen's papism would've seeped into country somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Also, there is of course the great nation of Mexico, duh (though Latin America is increasingly veering Protestant, apparently, thanks to infestation by evangelist missionaries, what the hell?) I gotta give this some more thought.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Also Jody a/k/a "Joe Dee" Messina is an Italian gal from Boston who changed her name to protect the sacraments, right? Or something like that.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, here's one from CDbaby (looks like he has three CDs up there):

http://cdbaby.com/cd/mmcdermott2

And a Nashville myspace guy who lists "getting kicked out of Catholic shool in Richmond" as one of his influences:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=68394213

It should probably be noted here, however, that Peter Steinfels' highly recommended A People Adrift: The Crisis of the Roman Catholic Church in America (which I've been slowly plugging through around bedtime all summer) refers to a polemic published in 1990 by liberal Newport, Rhode Island liturgical musician Thomas Day called Why Catholics Can't Sing. So be forewarned.

Also, not country; but what the hell?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/nickalexander2

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha. closest thing to a country song he parodies seems to be bob seger's "old time rock and roll" (and "old time gregorian chant"):

http://www.nickalexander.com/

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

the books good xhuxk--i keep meaning to read it?

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Rosanne Cash Catholic? This great Rob Sheffield piece suggests she might be, but I have no idea whether any rosaries or confession booths have ever showed up in her lyrics:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0111,sheffield,23030,22.html

>one of the weird things about growing up Irish American is that the Italian kids had all the rock stars. They had Madonna Ciccone and John Bongiovi and Aerosmith's Steven Tallarico, even Roseanne Liberto Cash on the country side of the dial. They cleaned up their names, they dressed up funny, they unlocked their bel canto sweet-emotion voices, and it was all gravy to the proverbial goose. What did Irish kids have? Well, there was Joe Walsh. And the Mahoney boy, Eddie Money, and let's see who else . . . uh, that Joe Walsh sure could play, couldn't he? The Italian kids had Pat Benatar. We were stuck with Laura Branigan. <

So, um...Did Dion Dimucci ever cross over country?

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

And what about New Orleans? That's all Catholic, right? (They even have parishes!) Surely some country's come out of there, sometime...

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Dion, oh hell yes, when he started his career *all* over, like in The Wanderers, when the guido follows the girl over to the other side of the Village, and watches her go into a coffee house, where a certain harmonica is wheezing...Dion maybe was the idea for that scene, cos long before it was written (or at least published), he went in there, and sang some blues and some Hank Williams too, and did albums of both. Eventually, of course, he went on to "Abraham,Martin, And John," and maybe he went Protestant too, when he was recording for Word or whichever Christian label it was. But he's still Dion, and does a variety of songs (heard him do some new ones on Fresh Air a couple years ago, sounded great). Yeah, lots of Catholicism in New Orleans, and certainly figures in N.O. novels like A Confederacy Of Dunces, The Movie-Goer, etc. And James Agee's another great Southern Catholic writer; went to that boys' school in Nashville, or was it Memphis? Setting of his novel The Morning Watch; andseveral novels were written by alumni of the Catholic school/community in Cullman, AL (small town pretty much started by a German order, and prob some Catholicism in those Texas towns with Teutonic and Slavic names, maybe with interesting relationships to those Mexican churches across the tracks).Plus, like I wrote about in Why Music Sucks, my father, although def. Southern Baptist was sent to Catholic school, cos it was good and also across the street. But lighting struck the steeple, the whole thing burned down, and my grandmother found my father kneeling before the conflagration,, clutching his beads and saying his rosaries. So she put him in public school, and later he became a Bapist preacher, fulltime, but I think his early education (and its firey demise) left its mark on him, and thus maybe on me.But the *musical* effect--hey, maybe Leonard Cohen! He went Dylanesque-late-60s-early-70s country, and even stole Charlie Daniels and some others from Dylan, and certainly some Catholic images and vibes in a lot of songs from that era. Thanks for the links, xxhuxx, not sure how many to check out while finishing my X homework, but I'll at least follow up. (John and Exene both b. IL in early-to-mid-50s, both did teen time in Baltimore and St. Petersburg/Tallahassee respectively; both raised Catholic, apparently: his orig name seems French, and hers literally Bohemian, and they both into the cool, so Kerouac and Warhola? And then they get to L.A. and meet/are taken around by/perform with Chris D., author of Bongo Chalice etc.)

don (dow), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(and some Music Rower must have cribbed from Flannery O'Connor at some point, or there's no justice in this world)("depends on the Judge, " she'd prob say)

don (dow), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Both "hillbilly" and "red neck" were originally used against Irishmen.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Lorrie Morgan is Catholic.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone seen the 9 minute kenny chesney video opus, where he has a gun, and is in mexico, and such other things?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I really enjoyed seeing X, with Billy Zoom. he made it, for me.

Country artists seem to all come from Texas or Oklahoma these days, so I dunno how Cat-lik that is. Fats Domino did country down in NOLA, Lee Dorsey did "Hey Good Lookin'," but right off the bat I can think of no country performers from those parishes. maybe the Florida parishes.

got the new Alan Jackson yesterday, and will investigate how he and Krauss do.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

mediabase says this sammy hagar track got exactly one spin on a country station this week:

http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyrics/2147433064/Sammy_Hagar/I_Love_This_Bar

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 13 August 2006 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(which is exactly as many spins as "surprise" by trent willmon got, by the way.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 13 August 2006 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

perhaps the confessional nature of cheatin' songs? Cos if the songs are any good, you know the sinner's recharged by getting off his or her chest,so gonna do it again, and come back to tellus about that 'un too, hopefully.

don (dow), Sunday, 13 August 2006 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I ended up not trying to deal with the Catholic roots of Exene (the former Christine) and John Doe (the former Duchac, according to some). My understanding/pattern-recognition is second-hand at best (xpost father's early influences), and a lot associations with Catholicism can as plausibly apply to other stuff, esp. re (mostly Continental)Euro-associated cultural aspects. Australian (guest star of my Voice piece, "Alias In Wonderland")Cyndi Boste's new Foothill Dandy is more consistenly, overtly country than her previous. Still got the deep rich bluesy voice, acoustic and electric, now with her best rhythm section evah,plus shivery steel etc, lead guitarist even plays some "Ring Of Fire" trumpet hooks on a chorus. and whole thing is even a bit glossy, but never too slick (could see "Don't Go There" and some others being hits for somebody up here). Some of yall will be hearing from her, if you haven't already(today). Anybody else, feel free to google her up!

don (dow), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of country (among lots of other things, as you can imagine) on my pandora.com station, the URL for which is below. It just went from Aly & AJ's "Do You Believe in Magic" (which I'd never heard before -- it rocks, but do they really know what "jug band music" is?) into Brie Larsen's "Hope Has Wings" (when I hadn't even asked my station to play any Brie!), but at other times it's played tons of smooth jazz or early '70s hard rock or boy country or girl country in a row. I'm not sure whether this link will let you hear *future* fine-tuning I do to the station (which, oh yeah, is now called "This Is Radio Ched") or not, but I hope so. (Also not sure whether you can start with my station and fine-tune it to your tastes. Anyway, this is a blast; I'm totally obsessed with it now):

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh123684599888936884

(Brie Larsen just segued into the Flower Kings, who seem to be singing about "looking for god's grace among cosmic dinosaurs" or something, so maybe they're Christian rock. Also, I don't think I like them; I'll probably nix them. But first I'll give 'em a chance.)

(Yeah, definitely Christians: "The untold Genesis of man," wow. Song just ended, and I'm still not sure how much I liked it. There was something psychedelic about it which I didn't mind. Now Christy Carlson Romano doing "Bounce," which I liked a lot right away.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I think this suggests you'll continue to be able to monitor my ever-changing station (which just went from Gary Stewart's "Out of Hand" into Tompall Glaser and the Glaser Brothers' "Streets of Baltimore" into Garth Brooks's "Wild Horses", all great; now Cal Smith's "Drinking Champagne," which sounds awesome too), but I'm not positive; either way, maybe you should start your own station too!:

Q: What are other people listening to? How do I find shared stations?

We track the top 20 most-listened to stations and make them easily available to you. Click the share button and select "Find a Shared Station." Select from one of the 20 most popular stations or search for one of your friends by email address and add one of the stations they created to your list.

Ha ha, now "Asphole" by Pigface; how did it get from Cal Smith into that? (And who is Cal Smith, anyway?) I'm not sure if that is John Lydon singing, or just somebody who sounds like John Lydon. Either way, I like it a lot more than I thought I'd like a Pigface song.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i like last fm better then pandora, adn i think there is an ilx channel there as well chuck...

as well, the new trace adkins single raises but doesnt settle the question raised by the first one, namely, is it just stupid and misogynst or accidentially brilliant

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"the first one" meaning "honky tonk badonkadonk"? and by the new one, i assume you mean the baseball one, the OPENING of which ranks with any music i've heard this year. about the song itself, i'm not so sure. probably not as good as the baseball part of "cherry pie."

i don't care about no ilx station, anthony; i care about MY station. but anyway, how is last fm better than pandora? now i'm curious...

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

(that sounded more arrogant than it was meant to. what i mean is that programming my own station is what's fun! also useful for my own listening; really, the station has an audience of one. i'm just trying to program what i might feel like hearing. making it a group project would defeat the purpose. but i'm still curious about last fm. i've heard the name before, but have no idea what exactly it is.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, all cheddy all the time! totally cool.

got new montgomery gentry,
"some people change." opening track "some people change" uses great whistling noises at first, while the opening of "hey country" is *really* skewed in a motor-city-tunin-up kind of way, and then it uses some I guess big and rich derived "heys" over a totally great spare funk groove, and an equally cool "whoa, whoa, whoa" section that then goes into "i don't know, but i've been told" thing like i believe we talked about upthread, and back to the "whoa, whoa" thing. and a really insane slide-guitar solo. this music happens real fast and man is it up. and then a banjo. it's so self-consciousl mythic like springsteen, in fact the achievement already, on this first listen, seems kind of comparable in terms of just density and this heroic reaching out.

not that I think I agree that "love" is what makes "some people change" from their racist ways, necessarily; but it's good to know they're utopians and they're thinking about what doofuses they are. like in "lucky man" eddie, I think, is complaining as usual, like his Bengals lost. and he hates the heat and his job. he has a "few dollars in a coffee can."


anyway, whatever, it sounds good, real good, I'm amazed, actually. I don't agree with turkey-hunting but it's huge around here. I used to go duck-hunting and dove-hunting when I was a teen. but shooting the noble wild turkey, I'm against. so, my brother-in-law's way into that shit and he shows me this video he was in, that's on the Men's Channel and it's this fairly professionally done locally produced and shot hunting show. in it, the guys are waiting for this male turkey to strut and have a good time, and then it's like, "he's beautiful! He's beautiful! NOW KILL THAT STRUTTIN' TURKEY (words in bold direct quote). bang bang. anyway, the music underneath it is Montgomery Gentry, "gone gone gone" they sing, and as you can imagine the turkey-hunters love it and I find it bathetic, I guess the word is. but apparently the guy who does this stuff gets the rights to the music free, there are several snippets of it thruout.

anyway, I'll check out xhuxxk-radio, and man it's a nice day here, sunny, low humidity, brisk with a window open, and montgomery gentry's record just sounds great. think I'll have a turkey and swiss on rye.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

, all cheddy all the time!

well, just remember that lots of the songs are ones that pandora, judging from what they figure out about my tastes, decide i'm going to like. and often, they are wrong. telling them when they're wrong is half the fun, but i can only do that when i'm actually listening. so caveat emptor, but still expect an intriguing listen (also, it's faster to program than village voice radio ever was!)

and man, i need to hear that montgomery gentry album. like, now.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(kinda like TiVo, adding what it thinks you like? Remember that comedian who developed a whole routine, from what turned out to be his actual experience, and several other people's, about "TiVo thinks I'm gay!") So, Trace uses the chorus of K7's "Swing Batta Swing" (followup to "Come Baby Come") with all-new verses, rat? I don't remember all that blather about going to Harvard etc, but always listened more to their rhythm, and so glad he's bringing it to Country Top Twenty (and now maybe Monkey G., judging by Edd's description), though mostly what I listened for in "Badonkadonk" was the very end, when things get sorta Chic. Well, he did keep me listening all the way to the end, and I bet Elvis would dig, speaking of popcountryfonkafonk. Hey xxuxx, if you're taking requests, please ask pandora for some Ashley Monroe, and some of that upcoming Dierks. Not much country on here yet, but xxhuxx and Frank are on it, and eventually yrs. truly, and you can listen while you read, or after/before/instead of: http://www.paperthinwalls.com

don (dow), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"TiVo thinks I'm gay!"

Ha, that's exactly what happened to me with Pandora, when I started out with Aqua! They started throwing all these interchangeable Kylie Minogue songs I didn't care about at me, then "San Francisco (You Got Me)" by the Village People and "I Want a Dog" by the Pet Shop Boys, which were better. (I should add that it's an understatement to say that lots of the songs are Pandora picks not my picks; really most of them are. Last five, only the last of which had to do with anything I actually requested: Phil Seymour "Precious to Me" likeable indistinctive powerpop; Ian Gomm "Hold On" loveable and only slightly less indistictive powerpop with a sax part that I actually talked about on this thread a week or two ago; the Yellow Balloon "Can't Get Enough of Your Love" cloying late '60s powerless sunshine shlock with a My Three Sons/Captain and Tenile connection that I came real close to giving the thumbs down to then decided it's pleasant enough I guess; Neil Diamond "Solitary Man" great great great obviously; Apex Theory "Topsy Turvy" topsy-turvy herky-jerky jazz-fusion gnu-metal that sounds like how I wish System of a Down did.) (Now Fretblanket "Supercool" Clunky Weezer-wannabe pop-punk with a stiff drummer; I hate this and just nixed it. Amazed they still pick pop-punk and emo songs for me, when I nix almost every one. Though Busted sounded okay, I guess. Weirdest thing they picked for me: An Elton John ballad from the The Lion's King.) (Now Pure Sugar "Delicious," dancey girl-pop, not awful but it turns ridiculous when the singer tries to get soulful and sexy like some kind of house music diva. This gets thumbs down too.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

sonofagun, re the xpost Turkey snuff vid mit MG soundtrack, just saw an Associated Press item: Troy Gentry's been busted for allegedly killing a tame bear, with a bow and arrow, taping the kill, and trying to edit so looked like a fair kill. He did this so could apply for a fair kill tag; that's what you gotta do, if you're following the rules. Bear's name was Cubby.

don (dow), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i am talking about badonkadonk and hot mama, and added a link to the youtube video, but i dont think it worked...

i like last fm better, because i ahve found more music on it, and the conenctiosn seem closer, and there is also a community building aspect--something that i care about, but realise there that mileage will varry.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

could i get a link to that story don?

and left hip is a little to indie edged, adn stylus fired me, so a review of either julie roberts or gentry is sort of tetherless for me, but we will find somewhere, cause dammit i love me the sext facists

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

xp:

PANDORA THINKS I'M TWEE

okay, here's what's been playing on my station in the last 2 hours or so:

gino soccio "dancer" (i requested him and this is great)
m "pop muzik" (didn't ask for this, and it's one of my favorite songs ever)
alison limerick "where love lives" (gave this generic techno-pop gal a thumbs down, so pandora starts up a new sequence for me)

classics iv "spooky" (didn't ask for this, but i've always liked it)
ars nova "well well well" (missed this since i was fixing a greek turkey burger in the kitchen; i'm a little annoyed by pandora's obsession with obscure psych-pop nonentities for collectors with limited taste, which i'm guessing this is an example of)
tuesday's childen "in the valley of the shadow of love" (sort of half heard this, but pandora has played these particular psych-pop obscuros before, and they seemed neither great nor horrible; i said i didn't want pandora to play it for another month)
spencer davis group "i'm a man" (i'd requested this song)
bryan adams "room service" (i'd requested a couple other bryan songs but not this one; out of one ear while i was eating my burger it sounded better than the dull late mellencamp and springsteen songs pandora keeps playing instead of songs from before they mostly stunk)
the three o'clock "i go wild" (they definitely didn't go wild, but i didn't give this the thumbs down, in honor of tim ellison i guess)
black lab "time ago" (this sucked major ass, though i already forget why; i gave it the thumbs down, so pandora started a new sequence)

war "slippin into darkness" (great; i'd requested them)
four tops "don't let him take your love from me" (at this point i went up to the post office and missed the next several songs, only one of which was by an artist who i'd specifically requested)
dyke and the blazers "funky walk parts 1 and 2"
tower of power "souled out (live)"
jonzun crew "space cowboy" (didn't hear this, but this is the one band i'd requested that i missed while i was gone)
steve spacek "slave"
stevie b "love and emotion
after 7 "kickin' it"
alan jackson "tall tall trees"
billy ray cyrus "what else is there"
billy joe shaver "it just ain't there for me no more"
sawyer brown "six days on the road"
gordon lightfoot "couchiching" (this is where i got back from the post office; the song, which i'd never heard before, sounded dark like gordon should, like it was recorded in the middle of ship capsizing or whatever; what was more interesting is that i swear i compared sawyer brown's singer to gordon in a review once, which connection is somewhat vindicated by him segueing from them here!)
townhall "ellie mae" (bland coffee-house folk and/or alt-country, thumbs down and sequence aborted)

the fantastic johnny c "got what you need" (sounds fine)
the jam "war" (didn't request this; it's the brit mod band, covering edwin starr reggae dub style, and i don't mind it)
bobby day "harlem shuffle" (didn't request it; better than the stones version)
joe south "hush" (i'd requested him just out of curiosity, and i'd never heard his original version of this great song, and it's pretty amazing. i'd actually considered requesting deep purple's version, which means they're doing an okay job of mapping my tastes i think)
brian setzer "sixty years" (good boogie crunch at the start, almost zz top in his density. vocals are too plain, but i'll live and let live, which is what i think he just said i should go. "i only got sixty years on the planet" - -definitely better than that stupid dave matthews song that says you've only got 100 years to live, yeah right, good luck dork. setzer ends with cool techno-like drum part)
bad company "lonely for your love" (i think i requested the drum'n'bass bad company not these guys, but these guys are better)
the jeff healey band "roadhouse blues (live)" (i dunno; isn't he blind or something? i always figured he'd be way too stodgy to tolerate, but i can probably live with him doing a doors cover.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

so out of 31 songs, only 5 were either (1)songs i specifically requested of (2) by artists whose whole ouvres i'd requested, and only 1 more was by an artist by whom i'd requested other songs. still, not a bad bunch, though weirdly light on teen-pop and hard rock. (ps: i just aborted healey once he started wanking, then aborted sarah vaughan who i've never had any use for {my limitation not hers, i'm sure.} now stevie wonder "it ain't no use," which i'm sure i'll like okay, though again, i didn't ask for anything by him. okay, i'll stop now. just giving you an idea how it works.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

(1)songs i specifically requested OR(2) by artists whose whole ouvres etc.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

uh-huh sure, so just how did pandora get the idee fixe you were into thee twee psych? (remember: do it once and you're a done one) Anthony, how the hell did you get fired from Stylus?! You can Google News for more developments o course, but here's what I saw:
AP Duluth Minnesota 8/16...Gentry, 39...and Lee Marvin Greenly, 46...appeared Tuesday...sealed indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Minneapolis. Authorities allege that Gentry purchased the bear from Greenly, a wildlife photographer and hunting guide, then killed it with a bow and arrow in an enclosed pen on Greenly's property in Otctober 2004. The government alleges that Gentry and Greenly tagged the bear with a Minnesota hunting license and registered the animal with the state Department of Natural Resources as a wild kill. Gentry allegedly paid about $4,650 for the bear, named Cubby. The bear's death was videotaped, and the tape later edited so Gentry appeared to shoot the bear in a "fair chase" hunting situation, the government alleges. If convicted, both Gentry and Greenly face a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison and a $20,000 fine. (and then spokesman sez Gentry confident of exoneration etc)

don (dow), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i got fired from stylus b/c i cant spell and my grammar sux.

this canned hunting, done by neo cons, strikes me as popular and politically impt--in the sense, that it provides a simulacra of masculinity, while keeping the hunter reativley safe (cheney, and another promient republican have been caught doing it recently), one is reminded of the technocrat wars, that wishful thinking allows to be thot as contained but really arent, a wish to make violence safe...

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

another sick news coinkydink, tho thisun non-hickydick: The JonBenet just this minute got an award from Houston Press, for Best Post-Punk Band (mebbe they'll cover "Bangkok," if they haven't alredde)

don (dow), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

here's sony's pressrelease on troy's ursine adventures:

Troy Gentry was arraigned on August 15, 2006, in Federal Court for the District of Minnesota. He pleaded not guilty to a charge of conspiring with a licensed commercial bear guide and the owner of a private game farm in Minnesota. While up in a tree stand, Troy used a bow and arrow to kill a bear that was running free in a several-acre fenced area in the game farm.

Troy is an avid environmentalist and hunter who supports and follows all game laws. Before he killed the bear he was told by the bear guide that it was proper and legal to kill the bear which was not a tamed bear and was never in a pen or cage. Troy used his correct name on his Minnesota bear hunting license and never attempted to disguise his identity.

The allegation that the video of the bear shoot was edited for the purpose of mischaracterizing the circumstances of the bear shoot is false. The only editing done was to remove the "dead time" from the video tape (more than one hour long) reducing the tape to about 15 minutes. The video was for Troy's personal use and was never intended to be and was not used commercially. The bear hide was shipped under Troy’s name to a taxidermist in Kentucky and prepared into a taxidermy mount.

Troy is accused of knowingly and willfully conspiring to violate federal law by taking the bear and transporting its hide from Minnesota to Kentucky and later to Tennessee. Troy absolutely denies that he knowingly and willfully did anything illegal and is confident that he will be exonerated.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Way better (more rocking, and ultimately more current sounding) pandora sequence (last one, i promise, but this is way more in line with how i want the station to sound than the sequence up above):

hunger "colors"
.38 special "stone cold believer"
deep purple "perfect strangers"
electric six "i'm the bomb"
yo gotti "get down"
waltham "be with me"
alison kraus "stay (live)" (gave this a thumbs down)
alice cooper "dead babies"
ac/dc "snowballed"
ted nugent "out of control"
ratt "wanted man"
the sonics "dirty old man"
? and the myterians "why me"
love "can't explain"
bee gees "bad bad dreams"
tom jones "she's a lady"
dave clark five "a little bit now"
divinyls "temperemental"
pat benatar "prisoner of love"
alannah myles "still got this thing"
moxie "sorry" (i forget what this sounded like)
little big town "bring it on home"
julie roberts "girl next door" (i like this!)
big & rich "big time"
trent willman "good one comin' on"
skye sweetnam "heart of glass"
noella "fashion" (must've left the room for this one)
amber pacific "save me from me" (thumbs-down emo)
veronicas "i could get used to this"
aly & aj "collapsed"

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha okay, i lied, but this is pretty amazing. next four:

kelly clarkson "since U been gone"
liz phair "favorite"
chron gen "you make me spew"
gg allin "outlaw scumfuc" (to my utter surprise and shock, i LIKE this -- it's david allen coe's "longhaired redneck" with new words! and i don't think i've ever liked a gg allin song before in my life!)

aly and aj to gg allin in four songs is genius, you have to admit.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Pandora just convinced me to like a Steve Earle song, too! (His cover of the Stones' "Before They Make Me Run," backed by the Supersuckers, whose drummer actually holds his own even coming immediatly after Aranoff's wallopping in Mellencamp's "Rain on the Scarecrow," which is obviously saying a lot. Earle's singing here is no more lame than, say, Shooter Jennings's is most of the time. So I'm eating humble pie about both him and GG -- whose Coe cover actually seemed completely good-natured, to my suprise.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow. Somebody oughta do a feature about pandora's, they evidently have the googleplex resources. Also, Mellencamp did a real good version of Earle's "Ain't Ever Satisfied," with Joe Ely-associate David Grissom on itchy scratchy guitar. Speaking of Coe, that's what I like about Rebel Meats Rebel: he sounds good-natured with the sleaze-talk, happy to be with these guys, and vice-versa. Oh, Sony also say Ashley Monroe's latest push-back is to "early January." The tweaked promo will perhaps be mailed out in "late September/early October."

don (dow), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Promo Only MPE Scores Record Numbers on Mediabase 24/7

Has anyone here downloaded the Promo MPE player? Dave Moore used it for the one and only purpose of dl'ing the Bratz album, says he had no problems, but...

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i was pretty skeptical about downloading that widget onto my home computer. and hearing george talk about it made me even more so.

from Harp, since i never really got around to talking about them here in detail, my Victory Brothers review (which they messed up some of the punctuation of, but I'm not going to whine about it):

http://www.harpmagazine.com/reviews/cd_reviews/detail.cfm?article_id=4562

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree and disagree with Frank on "I personally think the Chicks do anger well, but everything - anger, loss, peacefulness - would be better if they thought deeper and harder, which is what I was really calling for. More and better thought. By cutting deeper I meant understanding further."

I agree with the anger thing--I mean, who else could put such sweet-and-sour pucker in such a kiss-off as "LubbocK?'--but on compulsive repeated listening, I just keep finding layers of things I wasn't looking for and thereefore am delighted to find.

What I feel nobody has really touched upon is the way, pirposelly or not, the Chicks and/or Rubin are using genre twich juxtaposition to negate genre and so get close to creating something new, but not 'new' in a lookit-my-refs-blend pomo way.

I think "Easy Silence" gets people because, yes, it's pretty as fuck and slow and intimate but it's to overt to be Low. Is it a ballad, folk--what the fuck is this thing? Are the background vocals gospelish or Beatles-ish?

Point is, the elements bounce off each other and reflect and what it is is "Easy Silence", no pun.

You get the same genre juxtaposing/neutering effect in "Silent House", whic chord-wise and even in some instrumental flourishes and harmonies, is an ELO ballad--about Alheimers. By a 'country' trio with a violinist from from Pennsylvania and a multi-string plucker from Massachusetts.

They don't just lift elements like Big & Rich might--they fuse them until the source materials are changed on, er, a genetic level or some other comparison that signifies 'essense'.

So on a sheer musical level, I think the Chicks thought long, hard and smart--and I'm also thinking, open-ear instincs had as much to do with it. OTOH, they are hyper self-aware--Natalie joked in NYC the amusing aspect of writing a song about infertility that has as chorus "it's so HARD with it doesn't COME easy" [her emphasis.]

[Side thought--have people written about how "Goodbye Earl" is not only about two women who kill a scumbag, but move into a house together to live happily ever?]

Anyway, on the newish one, I first thought the words were simply skillfully functional--but more and more they have this incredible elegance and economy. I mean, in four lines--

"And I will try to connect
All the pieces you left
I will carry it on
And let you forget"

--and they cover an arc that starts with tragedy, moves to acceptance and ends in honor and forced letting-go. Like, that's common skill?

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 19 August 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Then there's Martie's melancholic/screeching violin solo, which really wouldn't be out of place on a more distressing Diamonda Galas song.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 19 August 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Still haven't heard the album, but "And I will try to connect" etc. indeed suggests an emotional subtext/need re the musical sorting and regrouping you describe, something that extends the arc of the words,which would be conventional stages-of-adjustment, if they were only words, but apparently they're a point of departure for the musical context, or one of its inclinations, at least. So I guess I'll have to get the album, damn. Have you heard Home? Your description of this jibes with the way I hear that.

don (dow), Sunday, 20 August 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't really studied Home enough to say anything intelligent--not that I'm sure I'm getting across my idea, or sense of idea.

What I mean is--well, listen to "So Hard." The intro is out of Procol Harum's "The Devil Came from Kansas." The verse would fit nicely in any song by The Veronicas. Thos chorus--which uses the inflection of the intro--smooshes these two wildly different genre gestures into a new and kind of amazingly gainly shape.

The point is, what I guess I'll cal signifying genre tags are somehow neutralized--and that's really hard to do.


On "Goodbye Earl" they take a basic pop song form and the only thing that makes it 'country' is the addition of banjos and Natalie overplaying the hayseed card with the yelped "black-eyed peas!" stuff. In other words, the signifying tags are seperate and it just makes it another recombination.

But on so much of "Taking..." the tags dissapear, the fusion is seamless, which makes the music itself have this transparent, existing-outside-identifer quality whose lack of genre actually makes the words more powerful, a carrier frequncy or something.

Rubin worked with the approach on the third Cash record, but there the legend was so rish and trenchant it couldn't go all the way in the fusion/transparency thing. But the Chicks are sort or inherently malleable--sound-wise--and so it gets there, and it's a pretty sui generis there.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Sunday, 20 August 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

As noted upthread, RAMMS+EIN is involved in an ongoing fusion experiement, but it's more Frencstein in nature and only works in the wonderful/weird context they've created of utter dead-faced sinmcerity and limitless camp. So that "Hollywood mariachi" thing--along with those weirdly scary/sexy female vocals--it's an almost typical RAMMS+EIN project, smooshing two things unfied by a shared funny creepines. (There's an actual blues song--okay, an acoustic blues riff--on "benzoin that unified misery from different idioms.)

Just saying that in the spirit of noting how different the Chciks project is. The Katrina Benefit version of "I Hope" even sounds like a dry run for "Taking..." It's faster ("soul/rock"), there's more Eagles semi-rock guitar, the sane sounds like Jeff Lynee produced it.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Sunday, 20 August 2006 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Regardless of the "2006" in the topic. This thread needs more Gram. Now!

Torgeir Hansen (MRZBW), Sunday, 20 August 2006 10:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I just heard his cover of a Stones song on Pandora the other day. Wasn't impressed. He slowed it down, which did not make it more intense but mainly took the life out of it. (Didn't make a mental note of which song it was, but maybe Gram obsessives can help there.) If somebody would've asked me who would cover the Stones, better, Gram Parsons or Steve Earle, I would have guessed Gram, easy. And I would have been wrong. (At least judging from their two Stones covers I heard this week; it's possible they've done others.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 20 August 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

new montgomery gentry album is great, by the way -- possibly even an album of the year candidate, who knows. (as is the new hold steady, by the way, though i'm not sure what they'd have to do with country.) new tony joe white, pat green, and stoll vaughan (very energetic and rhythm-conscious folk-rocker who's apparently toured with def leppard, journey, and mellencamp) sound good too, though in the past couple weeks i've been so addicted to old vinyl i bought cheap and then pandora.com that i'm way way way behind in actual CD listening, a trend i expect to accelerate more in the near future. haven't played the new trace adkins yet; kind of scared to, though i like the music of both "swing" and "honkytonk badonkadonk (video mix)". an entertaining review of that album ran this week in the village voice, believe it or not; i never heard of the writer before, but google suggests he's in a garage rock band in detroit:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0633,cavalieri,74173,22.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 20 August 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone tell me about Mandy Barnett. I see she's been mentioned twice in this thread. I'd never heard her before, but they just played a video off her last album on Wide Open Country and it was lovely. What tracks should I search out? Why has she not released anything since 1999?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 28 August 2006 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

that record from '99, "I've Got a Right to Cry," is awesome. recommended highly. I don't know why she hasn't done anything, actually; MIA, like Bobbie Cryner, who apparently hasn't recorded in years.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 28 August 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Her website said she was releasing an album in Spring 2005, but I guess they shelved it and never updated the info.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw her on some live show on CMT not too terribly long ago, still good. See reviews of Mandy and Bobbie on robertchristgau.com.

don (dow), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(as is the new hold steady, by the way, though i'm not sure what they'd have to do with country.)

There's pedal steel (or at least steel guitar) on one track!

No Depression still won't let me review it. :(

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

pretty impressed by the new duhks record. I still feel like they're a bit too much at times, and the instrumental they do in several odd meters strikes me as some weird hybrid of fusoid-grass and oldtime cajun music. I think jessica, the singer, is great but I feel like she tries a bit too hard sometimes. I sometimes wish they'd just play a real fucking drum set. but I give them points for trying, and since the gary paczosa, who's one of the finest recorders of vocals in nashville (parton, prine, nickel creek, etc.) did the record, it sounds great. I have a feeling live is the way to see them. I talked to the percussionist, scott senior, today for a piece I'm doing on them, and he was smart. apparently he came out of playing cuban/latin music in winnepeg! so he had to adapt to what the duhks had already done. anyway, they seem a bit livelier but perhaps a touch less conceptually acute than the mammals--the mammals' "departure" struck me as sonically a bit botched? or am I off about this? in short, this isn't my thing at all but I find it quite listenable and some of their stuff is creeping up on me, so if I get to see them at AMA I might even become a fan.

speaking of botched sonically, "sailover," the new p.f. sloan record done in n-ville by jon tiven, is perhaps the worst-sounding record I've ever heard. the guy reviewing it in ND missed the point when he complained about the vocals: sloan can sing, it's just that the vocals are so poorly recorded and the performances tiven got are so below what sloan's capable of, that it sounds like sloan can't sing. a shame. even buddy miller and tiven's usual cast of guests can't save it from instant oblivion.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 28 August 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't think i've put on the new duhks CD since the 4th of july, but i definitely didn't think then that it was nearly as much fun as their previous or even as good as the early one that got reissued earlier this year. judging from my barely legible notes scrawled on the cover, my favorite tracks were "ol cook pot," "the fox and the bee," "down to the river," and "three fishers," which i think were mostly the tracks where they got most jiggy, and the two tracks that i found most irritating were "moses don't get lost" and "turtle dove," which i think were the tracks where they got most biblical.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

todd snider has great concpetual power, and some pretty fantastic writing, and one great song, but teh album is mostly a throw away

i will mail mccoy w/i the next week

love ya'll

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

'gravy' on the new lost trailers album (maybe or maybe not their first, i dunno) may or may not be the first '00s country song (at least by a band with another song on the country chart, namely "why me," which isn't bad) to be about selling drugs: 'call my cowgirls, get 'em out, that's how we do it in the dirty south,' though sounds like it's inspired at least as much by 'weeds' (great TV show by the way -- though i've only seen the first season) as by young jeezy. and what they're selling is marijuana, not cocaine, and they are against legalization 'cause if that happened how would they pay off daddy's farm? seems to be the album's rocker (not to mention dance song: 'shake them grits, let's make some gravy'); the rest seems good but not great, though i like 'dixie boy special' and 'hey baby.'

also, toby's 'broken bridges' soundtrack is really good. he starts understated, winds up in zz top territory, and i'm real curious about these new southern rock bands flynnville train and poor richar's hound he's got on there. lindsey haun's 'broken' starts out with gloomy 'dream on'/'don't speak'/'don't close your eyes'/(some supertramp song i forget -- 'goodbye stranger,' maybe?) piano.

pat green album starts out good, gets dull in the second half, still a keeper. tony joe white and stoll vaughan CDs don't quite cut it.

country reissue of the year is the bob wills box set, obviously.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

broken bridges is?
tell me more!

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(Anthony I found the Julie Roberts, will send) Working my way through the Shout Factory John Lee Hooker box, though it's not much work to do so, so far (doing this in between more mandatory listening, so no sustained thot process so far, if ever). Not country per se, but certainly downhome, and may well make Top Ten/Reissues. Career overview, most extensive so far. A set from Hooker 'N' Heat (is that in print?) Al Wilson's zen spot-on harp.

don (dow), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

fashion rocks, vapid, silly, obnoxious, with much pop absurdity, oddly the tim/faith duet, lit dark, them huddklign together, singing about each other as a narcotic, as a religion, was so erotic, and tender, and way too intimate for hte venue...well worth watching.

thanks don

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 September 2006 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Broken Bridges is Toby's acting debut, " a world of difference from making videos," is pretty much how he summed it up (I just saw the end of a Making Of thingette on CMT)Also incl Willie Nelson, Kelly Preston, Burt Reynolds, whose face now looks like a hasty ink drawing on a brown paper bag (and people make fun of Kenny Rogers' eyework)

don (dow), Saturday, 9 September 2006 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

its not the eye work thats bothering me about rogers, its that he looks liek the kid from mask

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 September 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think the Duhks doing Tracy Chapman equals the Duhks doing Fraser & deBolt. I like them--like the singer--and the new one sounds rawer and a bit more "ambient" than "The Duhks." I don't get the "salsa rhythms" and "African rhythms" in the common description of them, though. The *textures* are pretty cool. But it seems to me that Scott Senior plays *along* with 'em more than actually driving them. Expecting a soul-man "pocket," which I always do I guess, is of course too much. I think I like the Mammals' record a bit better, but it doesn't sound good to me, whether that was intentional or not, don't know.

New Alan Jackson is a bit...Jackson-esque, statesman-esque, canned. However, I do like "Nobody Said It Would Be Easy," rueful and with electric piano and chord changes out of Marshall Tucker and maybe Little Feat and any number of rueful '70s tunes? That descending heartbreak-tug. it works, though it kinda goes flat. And boy, high-quality atmospheric guitar intro to "The Fire Fly's Song" and Alan going on about standing in the young man's boots, "this old man don't run no more." And here's how fucking smart Alan is: I'm all sucked into feeling sorry for the poor lame guy, and yeah, "I don't want you like I used to...I want you more." Quite nice guitar lick in there and again, that slight pop heartbreak shit. Canny.

And, did this Tony Joe White piece that is coming out in American Songwriter, and had fun listening to his Monument shit. "High Sheriff of Calhoun Parish" finds TJ resisting advances of the H.S.'s nubile daughter, but getting his ass kicked again, and I am not kidding, the intro to "Even Trolls Love Rock 'n' Roll" is like the Talking Heads gone funk-African-southern on "Remain in Light." Tony Joe plays a mean guitar.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 10 September 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

high-quality atmospheric guitar intro to "The Fire Fly's Song" and Alan going on about standing in the young man's boots, "this old man don't run no more." And here's how fucking smart Alan is: I'm all sucked into feeling sorry for the poor lame guy, and yeah, "I don't want you like I used to...I want you more." Quite nice guitar lick in there and again, that slight pop heartbreak shit. Canny.

great, great track. not so sure about the rest of the album (the "bluebird" song seemed good, much of the rest is likeable), but "the fire fly" is really the equal of merle haggard in aging-mode. which seems weird to me -- alan's not all THAT old, is he??

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

amanda wilkinson, of the canadian family band, the wilkinsons (who in their decade of recording, have one good song in them--LA), has a solo album with a tracey champman cover. its one of the more anemic recordings ive heard.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Anne McCue, this Australian singer-songwriter-lead-guitarist I just finshed writing about for PaperThinWalls (check it out yall: MP3s, and streamers in the archives), covers a TJW I'd never heard, "As The Crow Flies." Rolls, but heavier than he prob would, and with lots of sustain, sort of like Robin Trower meets Tony Joe. (But Ah suspect the actual Robin would try to play slower than this, and the actual Tony Joe would leave his ass.) Link Wray sings (and plays the acoustic) shit out of Tony Joe's "Backwoods Preacher Man," on The Link Wray Rumble (Epic), one of my faves of the 70s.

don (dow), Sunday, 10 September 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

im writing about another singer songwriter this weekend, cyndi boste---which makes me more curious about the aussie country scene

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 10 September 2006 11:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think Alan Jackson is that much older than me, or you, Chuck. Because I was tired of Bill Friskics-Warren crowing about how he runs, like, 8 miles a day, I really got into it this spring, when my mom was sick and I needed to detox daily. I'm up to 5. And, seems like Alan would have access to some gyms that I don't--and good-looking instructors, maybe, who inspire him. Here, I gotta watch not to get run over by people hauling tobacco (which is being cured right now).

Anyway, I really like Jackson's record in a mild way, and I think he does aging about as well as Haggard. I don't think he sings as distinctively--something isn't *there* with Jackson, is the best way I can put it. But this is a cool pop record, full of somewhat magical touches of chord-progression, mainly, that sneak up on you. Mildly magical, you have to really listen. It seems like Krauss had some kind of strategy akin to what she does when she covers pop songs?

I have this Anne McCue record right here--I need to listen, I guess. I'm still into Tony Joe White--"Mama, Don't Let Your Cowboys Grow Up to Be Babies," with Waylon, from '80. "I Thought I Knew You Well," his most pop moment--his most American Studios-crafted song, sort of like a really good Box Tops record. Better, probably. And the strangest one, "Old Man Willis," where Old Man W. is a crazed redneck--bootlegger? white-slaver?--and ends up *killing* his entire family, in between driving too fast and drinking. (Anybody who wants a burn of this TJW comp, let me know--Tony Joe as Swamp-Monster Pervert.)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 10 September 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

that tony joe white sounds amazing edd, tell us more

here is my review of the dixie chicks:

Dixie Chicks
Taking the Long Way Around
Columbia
2006

I have been listening to this pretty steady, for weeks, at least once a day, and have heard the singles and videos before that, and no opinion has come to dominate my thoughts. There is a lot here, and some listens I am willing to condemn it as pretentiously self absorbed and some listens it’s the album of the year, better than the album of the y ear, best protest album since Free Wheeling Bob Dylan. Obviously it is none of those things, or at least none of those things fully contain the albums difficult significance. Some of he difficulty comes with such lofty thoughts as the role of the artist in times of war, and sometimes I think, its been six years, why can’t these three just get over themselves.

It’s probably more productive to talk about what I love here, at least initially. Academically, I love that there is a major, non indie, non alternative country artist not only talking about the difficulties with the president but with the whole red state culture of viscous misogyny, hatred, and war mongering. There anti-romantic odes against small towns have a refreshing vitriol, the first lines of the first song, talk about how “my friends from high school, married their high school boyfriends, moved into houses, in the same ZIP codes where their parents live. But I could never follow.” That rebel yell of urban and nomadic tendencies is something that country needs to hear.

It also needs to hear Lubbock or Leave it where she rolls quick and angry saying that the bible belt never saved her, refusing the pressure to be a good Christian, and tearing about the hypocrisy of certain American religious practices. It’s the most anti jesus song ive heard with a bluegrass backing, especially when lines like “the secrets you hide behind your southern hospitality on the strip the kids get it, so they can have a real good time come Sunday they can just take their pick from the crucifix skyline…” spit nails.

Aside from the politics, there are moments of profound beauty. Sometimes Maine sings lower and darker then the material calls for and it has the effect of whispering in a din. People are forced to bend over, and listen to what is being said. Though they have been doing this for ages, especially in their cover of Landslide, they have perfected it in Lullaby. When she sings, “How long do you want to be loved? Is forever enough? Is forever enough? “, it gives off the same feeling as Brian Wilson singing “may not always love you/ But long as there are stars above you/ You never need to doubt it/Ill make you so sure about it” . There are other examples: the sharp wail of Silent House, the rueful mourning of Favorite Year, co-written by Sheryl Crow, post cancer and post Lance, the introductory notes of pedal steel, like a heart beat on I Like it, and the sultry, jazz tempos of the last song, I Hope, another about the hypocrisy of the south.

That said, there is much here that cannot be recommended. There is a core of self-righteousness here, a hectoring quality to the lyrics, like they know what is right for America, and the hectoring comes without the humor or self-deprecation or force of other writers who do this. If you are trying to tell the world how to live, whining about it is not the most effective way about it. The first single, Not Ready to Make Nice, claims to be “mad as hell”, but just sounds petulant. It is incredibly self absorbed in places, as well—for example in Easy Silence, an ode to a lover who’s only purpose is to provide refuge for all the mean people who haven’t been very nice to the Chicks. On Everybody Knows, they become paranoid to such a degree, it seems almost clinical, and on So Hard, they talk about how painful it is to be Cassandra’s.

Its been six years since they talked about being ashamed of the president, and in those 6 years, they have been threatened with death, rape, and losing careers. They have had their albums pulled from radio stations bull dozed, and boycotted. They have been slandered in the national press, and been slimed by people who refused their talent. They had to have recorded this album with all of this in mind, and part of me is glad that they replied to their critics with genuine emotion. Being self-absorbed is understandable under the current circumstances, if a little boring in places.

I think being so conflicted about the work in question is a good thing, it refuses easy and simple categorizations, cheap politics and cheaper theatrics. They have broken from the Nashville ghetto, and I’m excited what happens next, and that’s something I cannot say about many bands.


anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 10 September 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice review, Anthony, but I don't get that last line...

There's a feature by me on Anne McCue in the new ND. She can really play guitar and her songwriting is getting better. The album is too long and not the total breakthrough I was hoping for--but close. Grooves ala TJW or post-blues Fleetwood Mac are ace.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 10 September 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

yep, roy's piece on anne in ND is good. I dunno, I got to listen to it again, didn't engage me so much the first time, but I'm going on five hours sleep.

and I agree w/ roy, anthony--what's the nashville "ghetto"? they got too much money to call it a ghetto. plus, they made their bush comments in early '03.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 10 September 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean what i was talking about earlier, about how they are trying no longer to be a country band, and to be something else (AA?)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 10 September 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, AA is a ghetto too of course (a much smaller one, actually).

So what do people here think of Chris Knight? Enough Rope sounds like I'd like it okay if a more lively singer was singing, which suggests to me the guy's got Steve Earle disease. (Also, I'm guessing they're both Clash fans, judging from Knight's title.) As is, it's real clunky. Xgau is a fan*. the Am i missing something?


*: http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=255&name=Chris+Knight

Enjoying the new Redhill album, which stretches out their EP nicely. And I'm finding more stuff than I expected to like on the new Trace Adkins -- "Ladies Love Country Boys," "I Came Here To Live," and especially "The Stubbon One" have good (if sometimes predictable) specifics in their lyrics, and he sure sings better than Knight does.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 10 September 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i didnt really have space, but yr right chuck, im trying to figure out where they will go next, cause this album is kind of a fuck you to the country demographic, and well AA is much too small to contain them...

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 10 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Goodun Anthony; yeah, that was Sasha's early take, that they're overtaxing their writing skills (despite hired-hand collabs) and should have expressed themselves more through appropriate covers, as on previous albums. I think you mean they may be escaping Nashville Hit City insularity, but certainly they seem to feel isolated as hell, which may not bode well(the Beatles had quality control and other issues in their own Fortress Of Solitude, after they stopped touring and the "Bigger Than Jesus" scandal, speaking of having your records burned etc.)Chicks should get out more, after the tour; why not mix and mingle a bit, with Emmylou, Willie, so many others--it's not like Toby and Reba or nothing. (They were good on Sheryl Crow And Friends Live, why not go hang on stage with her again)I'm excited that you're writing about Cyndie Boste. I hope she sent you her previous albums. If not, ask, and she will; you really should hear them. I could tape tham for you, but I think you said you don't have a player. You should listen before reading what I wrote about her first album, Home Truths, which is about dealing with the legacy of domestic violence, but at some point, check "Alias In Wonderland" (about her and several others) at villagevoice.com. McCue's albums (studio; haven't heard the live)took me a while, but they really reward repeated listenings, even the first,most consistently folky pop romantic one, Amazing Ordinary Things. (Her personal mythology got more subtle structuralism than most, and some rock muscle down in there, though of course much more overt on Roll and the more varied new Koala Motel)The PaperThin review will be up one of these days, and I'll post an alert. Edd, I would like a burn of that TJW, please. Will send at least some of what i said I would soon (Willie's Country Music Concert Missing In Stacks but I know it's here somewhere)

don (dow), Monday, 11 September 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

don

i have given it a couple of listens, its slippery, and i dont think ive given it enough space

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

awright, tony joe for don.

just thought I'd mention this LP I got: Jerry Reed and Chet Akins, "Me and Jerry," from '70. Covers of shit like "MacArthur Park" and "Wreck of the John B." as well as the really good stuff, Jerry 'n' Chester just hangin' out on some jazzy instrumentals (the whole thang is instrumental, but the covers are weird) like "Stump Water" and "Cannonball Rag." I mean I like the Duhks but this is really world music. Plus, on the cover, Chet is sitting back waiting for Jerry to change the tire on his convertible.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 11 September 2006 07:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hold on a minute! "Macarthur Park" is one of the greatest songs ever written!

I was very pleased to find a version on a Waylon 2-for-1 I bought cheap the other week. The quality surprised me, I'd never paid much attention to WJ before.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago) link

tim are you tugging my leg?
with the cake and the rain and the recipe not being used again?

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Man alive, that's one of my favourite songs of all time! I don't know why people seem to worry so much about the cake, it's a fairly simple metaphor (albeit a bit of a mixed one at times). We like unusual metaphors in songs, don't we?

And the "...after all the loves of my life, you'll still be the one" bit is heartbreaking in every version I've heard.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I mean "MacArthur" is all right, just that everybody did it back then. They also do "Something," which is a great song, but the Beatles did such a brilliant arrangement on it. The throwaway things are the best on that Reed/Atkins record.

So, I think Alan Jackson's record is just so sly; what it reminds me of, strangely enough, is John Cale's "Paris 1919." The slide guitar and the air of things recollected at a distance; in fact, Cale seemed peripheral to Europe or whatever the fuck he was singing about then, and so does Jackson to the South, somehow. Myth, which puts him into Haggard territory. What I really like about the record are the musical details, the singing is fine but I have to concentrate more to get what his relationship to his wild youth. It's mythical, so when he sings about the devil sitting there with a grin, that registers, sure, but it's the little guitar figure you remember.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 11 September 2006 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Excellent post (a reprint technically) about Johnny Cash on the occasion of the 3rd anniversary of his death (tomorrow): http://www.livinginstereo.com/

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Edd! I guess I really need to delve into Webb sometime. When Ben Edmonds was Editor of Creem, he made sure there was plenty coverage of Webb's own (infrequent) albums, and other crits were adamant advocates, but mostly I know the early hits for Glenn Campbell. Wasn't their "reunion" album, with Webb actually involved in more than the writing, kind of like an art countrypop thing? Think it said on allmusic, but I don't feel like clicking through all their hoops right now. Tim, you might want to look for Richard Harris's album with his orig hit of "Macarthur Park"--was it A Tramp Shining? Richard in closeup profile, sort of Napoleonic-looking, but with autumnal mustache and sideburns (yes, they look like melancholy leaves). It's all Webb songs; of course Richard's got more tremelo than anybody other than Gary Stewart, but/and I confess I played the hell out of it when I was a melancholy teen.(Haven't seen my copy in decades, and no idea if I'd like it now, but the writing seemed very consistent).

don (dow), Monday, 11 September 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I love both those Harris LPs ("A Tramp Shining" and "The Yard Went On Forever" - the latter has "The Hymns From Grand Terrace" which almost matches "MP" in scale).

The Glen Campbell - Jimmy Webb LP is magnificent, yes, and yes it's art countrypop: JW's writing at its best is this odd mixture of smart and dumb which I find enormously charming. The country is more of a flavour than a foundation stone, but it is there. An interesting point of comparison is "Watermark" the LP Art Garfunkel made arond the same time, using mostly Webb songs. "Watermark" is also a brilliant record, but much more of a yachtpop proposition than the Campbell. It also has the distinction of being extremely easy to find in the £1 bins, always a bonus.

Even close followers of Glen tend to admit that his LPs in the late 70s and early 80s tended to have only the odd gem, and often the gem turned out to be a Jimmy Webb tune: "Highwayman", "Cristiaan, No", marvellous stuff there.

As for Jimmy's solo LPs, their success depends fairly heavily on your ability to acquire the taste for his voice. Probably, your best bet is to get the "Archive" best of (esp the new expanded version with the Live At The Albert Hall CD, which may be UK-only, I'm not sure). It's really well-compiled and covers most of the goodies from the albums.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of richard harris, i am enromously fondo f the hive, and i think thats true even w/o the kitsch factor

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 09:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I recently picked up a Jimmy Webb solo album from last year (Twilight of the Renegades) but haven't got around to it yet. I don't have high hopes for it but I was curious, anyone familiar with it?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw him play big chunks of it live last year, and some of the songs seemed strong, but I haven't yet taken a chance on the album. Sorry.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 10:28 (eighteen years ago) link

What's "the hive" Anthony? And how can there be Harris without a kitsch factor? His action movies, maybe? A Man Called Horse was pretty cool. I saw a clip that excerpted Webb's Albert Hall or something from early 70s: very slow, almost halting, and nasal, sort of like he was trying to imitate the pre-yacht James Taylor (Sweet Baby James etc; you know, the Introspective Years)(although the late 70s JT was probably his best album of that)

Rudy Wontfail (dow), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Kinda liking Spady Brannan's album The Long Way Around and Other Short Stories, good songs and he can croon even though he can't really sing that well, but not as much as I like Terrance Simien's Across the Parish Line, which succeeds even though it's glaringly obvious in its song choices (god another version of "Louisiana 1927"?) — might be the fact that it's the only zydeco album I can think of that starts with an ambient-jazz remix?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, that sounds cool on Terrance. Now, Richard Harris: I own "A Tramp Shining." What a great album, and yeah, without kitsch, where is the Man Called Horse, I ask? It's a classic of its kind, in fact I am drinking a beer right now and wish I had a whisky--cool, wet, rainy, cloudy here today, weather that gets me down.

I dunno, Gary Bennett's record is nice, but it's the singing that drags me a bit. R.S. Field's production is ace, however. I like it fine, wish he'd gotten a bit more down and dirty.

And shit, I never thought I'd say this, but Alan Jackson really made something like a great album, his new one. Or Alison Krauss did. It kinda got stuck in my head and I have to hear the first 5-6 songs daily--"Fire Flys"especially is just ingenious. Operates in the realm of the everyday uncanny or something like that--Alan Jackson don't even have to try but he's trying here to do something he perceives he needs to try to do, and almost not tries and succeeds. "Sometimes less is more," he sings. I'm impressed.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

the Hive is a song that Richard Harris recorded, in the mid 70s. Richard Harris' career as an actor is pretty kitsch free, but the music is a different story.

The song is so over wrought and over the top, and camp theatrical...

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

But that's what's good about it, as a safety valve (though might not have been so safe back when it came on the car radio every half hour). Just posted about this on the Rick Johnson RIP, but hasn't shown up on New Answers, so I'll say here that Richard Riegel just told me that Bill Knight, editor of the Prairie Sun and other rags that published Rick Johnson, is putting together a Reek anthology, and since some of the Prairie Sun stuff pre-dates Creem (maybe some more after, too) might have quite a few bonus tracks.

don (dow), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody else in this joint going to the Americana Music Association deal in Nashville next week? I'll be there...
Highlights include:

Carlene Carter
Charlie Louvin
Tony Joe White
Ray Wylie Hubbard
Joy Lynn White
Hacienda Bros.
Abigail Washburn
Amy LaVere
Dale Watson
The Duhks
James McMurtry
James Hunter

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Can't make it, but Cary Baker will be there, with almost all his army of clients, incl several on your list, though Blind Arvella is otherwise engaged (got a gig with Buddy Bolden, Arthur Lee, and Jayne Mansfield)

don (dow), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I was pretty much entirely gurtted when I saw that that started the day I fly out of Nashville. Oh well.

(Any tips for good shows Saturday - Tuesday much appreciated btw, though I don't have any idea of how my time there's going to work.)

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Only show I know about is tomorrow night, on CMT's Crossroads (8pm CST/9pm EST): Rosanne Cash and Steve Earle. I thought this was a bizarre combination til I remembered that it worked on her "I'll Change For You," but they'll be pushing their luck, but that makes it interesting. And then there will be his solo turns (dooky flingers at the Earle may now let fly). Heh, All Things Considered is interviewing the Googler who found all the lines Dylan's lifted from Henry Timrod, Poet Laureate of the Confederacy (see that thread too)(although it's mostly fairly common rhymes? Not much of an interview, but he's posted all this)

don (dow), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band on the Tonight Show! Just one song, but think it was the same as in the video on CMT's Wide Open Country. Good too; didn't try any upturns in the rasp, but several good backup singers, without getting too choiry about it. Maybe he''ll do a Crossroads, who should it be with?

don (dow), Friday, 15 September 2006 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

where do i start with seger

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 15 September 2006 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Start at the beginning, that was his best.

don (dow), Friday, 15 September 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

what was the beginning

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 16 September 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

(As for Seger's new album, devotees of this thread might be interested to learn that I recently published a review of it, followed a week later by both a brief interview with him and a review of Kenny Chesney's fine new live album, in a well-known trade magazine.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

oh what the hell (i can't find the seger stuff right now):

http://billboard.com/bbcom/reviews/album_review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003122625

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

and while i'm at it, a couple of these are country too, i think:

http://harpmagazine.com/guides/contributors/detail.cfm?id=527

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The last Jimmy Webb record was ok, "Paul Gauguin In The South Seas" is an almost perfect example of what Tim said about Webb being very good at the whole smart/stupid thing, wonderful hand-wringing about the fate of the starving artist and whatnot. It gives me goosebumps.

I've pre-ordered that Alan Jackson Cd. I'm very happy to hear he's made a great album, I loved "Drive".

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Alan Jackson CD is indeed great. I'm speechless -- What took him so long? Did he ever even make a good album before? (Hell, did Alison Krauss ever make a good one, for that matter?) Bizarrely, what the new one keeps reminding of is Gary Allan's last few albums -- just the way that Alison uses open space. Beautiful. "Nobody Said It Would Be Easy" and "Bluebird" are sounding right up there with "The Fire Fly Song" now, and more and more of it is kicking in.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It also occurs to me that, between this Alan Jackson album and Toby Keith's slower and sparer stuff on the *Broken Bridges* soundtrack, that male country singers might be increasingly tapping old white male jazz pop ballad vocalists (like, I dunno, Hoagy Carmichael? what do I know about old white male jazz pop ballad vocalists?) as an influence. There is an ease to this music that hasn't been popular in country since I don't know when (except when it has). I'd be curious about others' thoughts on this phenomenon. (I dunno, maybe the influence isn't really jazz at all.) For Toby and Alan, at least, it seems to be a sort of "maturity" move, and not a dumb one.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

hes made great songs before, but then im a singles man.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess, before this album, my favorite Alan Jackson song ever was "Little Man," which nobody seems to ever talk about. I've liked-not-loved a few others, but I've always been skeptical about the guy.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

also hearing some glen campbell in alan's new album, for instance in the opening track "anywhere on earth you are," which is, again, gorgeous. so anyway, who were glen's and, more importantly maybe, merle's jazz vocal influences? i mean, obviously merle's strangers were totally immersed in the texas playboys, but i'm not talking about his western swing stuff so much as his more ballad-oriented but still jazzy stuff like, um....well, whatever tracks fit that description (i guess mainly stuff he's done from the late '70s on).

"tragedy of you," last track on the otherwise blues-punk EP by the bones (from louisiana), is on now and is calling you an asshole and dickhead and reminding me of shooter jennings. here's their page:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=7483383

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

and earlier i was playing the reissue of ice cream for crow by captain beefheart, and being surprised by how country (and how melodic) so many instrumental passages on that album are. (i recall it as his most user-friendly album, but hadn't heard it for ages.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Krauss's production of the first Nickel Creek worked kinda the same way, though in that case kinda vs. their youthful exuberance but with their youthful apprehensions and observations, growing up in smog gardens of Southern Cali (see my archived NC piece on http:thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com)(which also says her approach didn't work so well on the followup, but it might not have been her fault), rather than AJ's middle ages (I wanna say he's late 40s, but been in the Biz a long time, so prob feelin it, although he's seemed middle-aged a long time). We had a big discussion of the Hoagy thing in country back when those Dean Martin reissues came out (so way up this same thread, rat? The longest year...) But speaking of Merle, you remind me that xgau referred in passing to his "Sinatra to Willie's Bing." And Jerry Lee said he listened to that stuff, and to Jolson's postWWII comeback, "because that's what there was to listen to on the radio," along with country of course; true for Willie, and certainly true for Merle later, in the 50s/60s, when Frankie was the King/Savior of Adult Pop, increasingly flauting his middle aged cool (and eventual self-parody, but chalk that up to "middle aged crazy," before he came back to growl his way, like an old bluesman, through cable specials, like At Wolftrap. Come to think of it, I think he and Willie did some some Vegas shows together.)Now to check xxhuxx's reviews.

don (dow), Sunday, 17 September 2006 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

re the dixie chicks--they dont want to go bigger, they want to go smart, ie they want to give up commerce for art, its up to the audience to determine wether that dilaectic is still valid, but i think thats what they are trying

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 17 September 2006 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

when was that dialectic *ever* valid, anthony?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:36 (eighteen years ago) link

im not saying it is valid, im saying its the game that the chix are trying to play...

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 17 September 2006 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"tragedy of you, ...by the bones (from louisiana), is... reminding me of shooter jennings

nah, actually, the bones guy is even worse singer. probably reminds me more of some long-lost proto-alt-country cowpunk band i can place right now. but i like it okay. the band's blues-punk gunk is better, partly because it pushes harder. weird how much a sucker i still am for silly ancient backwoods birthday party/gun club shtick when i've never been all that big a fan of those two bands. (honestly, i don't own a single album by either of them, haven't in years, though once upon a time i did.) also "bulge" on the bones EP reminds me of one of those sub-fall late '80s british art-punk bands i used to like so much: three johns or janitors or membranes or somebody of that ilk.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

best track on their EP is probably the first one, "ground," where the ground is gonna swallow the singer up, with some stunted ghost of led zeppelin in the riffs and rhythm doing the swallowing. (not that this has anything to do with country. okay, change the subject.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

It should be noted, despite all the sincere praise from myself and others above, that the Alan Jackson album does have its moments of feeling reserved and genteel to the point of antiseptic-ness that one might expect from an Alison Krauss project, or at least it seems too. "Where Do I Go From Here (A Trucker's Song)", for instance, is shooting emotional blanks for me so far, at least til near its ending, when something though I'm not sure what kicks in. (Maybe the super sleepy tracks like that will just take more time, however.)

A question for our Canadian correspondents: Any thoughts about Matt Mays & El Torpedo, who if I recall the press bio have had three top 20 hits in the great white north this year? Press bio also compared them to Tom Petty w/ Heartbreakers and Neil Young w/ Crazy Horse, I think. I guess I'm sort of hearing it, I dunno. Song on now is called "Cocaine Cowgirl." Matt's voice is not nearly as distinctive as Neil's or Tom's, I'm thinking so far. But his songs do appear to have some degree of drama to them. Maybe he deserves to be lumped in with recent Drive By Truckers? He's not bugging me as much as DBT's have on their past couple of albums, but maybe that just means my expectations are lower. None of this tracks are killing me, either.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

(read xxx's reviews: still never heard a whole Chesney, but that might be the one to start with, eh? Except he prob doesn't do "Tractor Sexy," since it's all recent, but I already know that one, and its classic video Huck Johns, Dale Watson especially, seen interesting; do all the Harp reviews have to be that short, though?!) Speaking of the lesser Truckers, even less inspired are most of the very Patterson Tucker-influenced songs on the new New Heathens. But even his less inspired dirges are more tuneful than these, and though they're just as wordy, then again his tight little whine puts more words across than the NH guy usually does. Works better with shorter phrases, but the only essential is "Kansas Romeo," about a kid, part-Mexican,no money, who's measured as "a little slow," sent to a group home, where he's smitten by another kid, "three or four years younger," and "teenage hormones" enter the picture. Points out that a high school upperclassman would be busted for statutory rape at most, if caught with a girl. But that's not the case, so the older one's in prison "for another 17 years," condemning himself, but that's why they call it a penitentiary, rat?

don (dow), Sunday, 17 September 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Except he prob doesn't do "Tractor Sexy,"

On the live album? Sure he does, Don - I mention it in the review.

do all the Harp reviews have to be that short

Well, most of their regular reviews (except the lead one) seem short, but mine run in the print edition as a separate page known as "Last Roundup," sort of consumer-guide-like but without grades and not alphabetically ordered. So I tended to write them short to fit more albums on the page -- That was my own choice. (I wrote four such columns, two of which have run so far in the magazine.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I think the Alan Jackson record is a strange 'un. I did a short thing on it for a NY weekly, and actually did say, Xhuxk, that he's sorta Hoagy Carmichael channeling Eugene Record (of the Chi-Lites, RIP) on that first song. IN other words, I think it's some sort of attempt to make a perhaps somewhat genteel, even antiseptic, pop record that's about memory and all that shit. Like the Chi-Lites, maybe. What I hear is just genericized '70s, from Skynyrd ballads to Little Feat to Marshall Tucker to, fuck, Dan Fogelberg. All that. And I think it's one of the few country records that really gets over on sheer *music*, I think the musical ideas are mostly sort of inspired in a g- and perhaps even a- way. I find his singing reserved to the point of near absurdity, but as on his magnificent Jimmy Buffett video where he even looks not stupid in shorts and seems to know something about Buffett's Eternal Party and the Lovely Women Who Drink In Them that even J.B. don't know ("It Must Be 5:00 Somewhere" or whatever that one's called), he seems to just kind of bend his shtick to whatever comes by, and in interviews he has said that he found Krauss a bit "crazy" but that he was "crazy" too. So yeah, western-swing filtered thru Bloomington, Indiana heartland Hoagy stuff, but perhaps more like '70s nostalgia for the '30s (which was a big thing back then) filtered thru whatever Krauss does. I like her, I mean I don't much care for that math-grass shit but I think she's obviously smart, and she seems to want to to experiment a little.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the title, "Monday Morning Church"? AJ on dealing with grief, and (evenly, but not too wimpily) expressed doubts (about afterlife, etc) That was really good. And his turn on the ZZ trib (x-x, I'm really senile with the titles today, incl. the xpost Chesney chestnut roasting, apparently).The one Ah mean was of course well-described by meee, in "Sharp Blessed Men," archived at villagevoice.com, one of my best evah (at least up to that point). the xpost Anne McCue review now playing(with MP3): http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=154

don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

This is not new, but I like it (surf bluegrass instrumental by the Stoneman Family):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a3uPZ97AXU

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess this is where I should put my observation that Sara Evans is STINKING UP THE JOINT on "Dancing With the Stars." She looks uncomfortable, arrhythmic, and unsexy, and she looked offended that the judges would dare criticize her to her face.

Haha, she sucks.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link


don, thanks for sending me the bosley, its growing on me, a little soft in places, a little too contained i think, but beautiful

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks! But it wasn't me, unless--you mean Tom Bosley--hey, that's where my tape of The Father Dowling Mysteries went! Oh well(send me yr postal so I can send you Julie Roberts). Just finished listening to a broadcast of Elvis Costello and the Imposters featuring Allen Toussaint, live at the Playboy Jazz Festival. They're rolling it(duh), and EC's voice just keeps getting deeper and stronger. Anybody heard E and A's new album, The River In Reverse?

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anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Sara Evans...I saw her with that southern comedian, Foxworthy. She looked somehow less sexy that previous. I dunno.

Yeah, Don, heard the Costello/Toussaint. The DVD is the thing, actually, because you get to see Toussaint and Elv riding thru NOLA together. I find the record good, but as usual, why do I want to listen to Costello when I can listen to Lee Dorsey? But he does sing OK. I am probably going to sit thru all that crap at the Americana thing so I can hear Toussaint. Also going to catch, I hope, Carlene Carter late tonite, and there are a couple other things I want to explore. I guess Costello's gonna be there, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Be sure to tellus about whatever you do get to hear!

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Just heard Little Big Town's "Good As Gone," and got me right away, this time the harmonies don't sound pretentious, they do give me a shiver of the old country at the beginning, but the shift into poppier sound is seamless, thought it was xpost McCue for a second. And the Carrie Underwood right after that, "Do You Remember Me," if that's the title.

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Also new to me, and pretty decent: Rhonda Vincent featuring Dolly Parton, "Heartbreaker's Alibi," and several whose titles I didn't catch (on CMT): Lindsey Haun, new blonde youngster, doing something from Broken Bridges (scenes from that: think he and Kelly Preston are exes who come back to town when their younger brothers are killed? In war, isn't it? And Lindsey's singing something meant to give comfort at memorial service, a little oversold in the editing); new one from Dierks (but now, though they said would send promo, no more til Oct 16, unless you want to SHARE, their new online communion,invitation-only [I said "No Thanks"])And, also new to me, a '94 vid feat. thin, glassy Garth, in White Hat and Suit, at White Piano, in a White Room, carefully refined and sealed over, til REEEDDDD comes spilling up out of White Piano--it, it's "The Red Strokes"! Somebody mighta watched that Scorsese short about shaving, but this is beyond that, because of Garth (reminds me that was back when somebody in Voice speculated that he was a creation of David Lynch, but I think it's more a basic 70s heritage thing,re all the country folk I sold Dark Side Of The Moon and Kiss live albums to, and ever since)

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"He" meaning Toby, who appears in Lindsey's vid as actor exclusively

don (dow), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

that math-grass shit

LOL

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ilXor foments the International Irresponsible Drinking Exchange Scheme on Nashville radio.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm still into Tony Joe White--"Mama, Don't Let Your Cowboys Grow Up to Be Babies," with Waylon, from '80. "I Thought I Knew You Well," his most pop moment--his most American Studios-crafted song, sort of like a really good Box Tops record. Better, probably. And the strangest one, "Old Man Willis," where Old Man W. is a crazed redneck--bootlegger? white-slaver?--and ends up *killing* his entire family, in between driving too fast and drinking. (Anybody who wants a burn of this TJW comp, let me know--Tony Joe as Swamp-Monster Pervert.)"

Ever hear that bizarre album he did for Casablanca in 1980, THE REAL THANG?

To call it, this was a strange, one-year-too-late attempt to jump on the disco bandwagon (this was well after the whole "disco sucks" movement had come & gone); when I interviewed TJW some time back, he referred to it as "techno swamp." But you know what? It turns out good in spite of itself; his attempt to go disco is so backhanded, it comes off sounding like Lightnin' Hopkins making a southern soul record, and that is a good thang indeed. He wouldn't have gotten past the velvet rope at Studio 54 with a record like this, but Bobby Rush fans would love it.

It even includes a new version of "Polk Salad Annie" with a reference to pot-smoking during the spoken intro (Tony Joe also told me that when he used to play at rock festivals during the hippie era, audiences thought that polk salad was another name for marijuana.)

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

The fast version of "Polk Salad Annie" that Elvis used to do live in the early 70s could have been played at Nicky Siano's Gallery (but he still hates the term "disco," and didn't want it in the subtitle of the comp I reviewed in the Voice). Would have fit right in on the comp, too (just before or after the Bonnie Bramlett track, for inst)

don (dow), Saturday, 23 September 2006 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"The fast version of "Polk Salad Annie" that Elvis used to do live in the early 70s could have been played at Nicky Siano's Gallery (but he still hates the term "disco," and didn't want it in the subtitle of the comp I reviewed in the Voice). Would have fit right in on the comp, too (just before or after the Bonnie Bramlett track, for inst)"

What is this comp you speak of, and how does disco relate to Elvis' version of "Polk Salad Annie?"

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

tony joe's "real thang" is a killer record, actually. i just wrote about tony joe at some length, should be out in american songwriter in nov., and maybe i'm one of the few people to do any riff at all on his disco work. it's all of a piece with his monument stuff--which i hear rhino is re-issuing, the first 3 monument records, which are "black and white," "...continued" and i believe the third one is "tony joe" from '70. his voice gets a bit old, i think, and he's not got a ton of range, but within his not-so-narrows, he's damned good and i really like his tough-minded genre pieces like "high sheriff of calhoun parrish" (which seems to be intentionally spelled with two "r"s in "parrish," why i don't know).

americana: got a couple things to turn around today, but quickly, the best things i saw were hayes carll and jim lauderdale and ray wylie hubbard at this showcase where they all do one song and it's just like the bluebird café. hayes really has a country voice. he did a great one about this hotel where a former ramblin' gamblin' man is living by himself, in the middle of nowhere, and he's crippled or something so he can't leave. very spooky, nice, and hayes seems to me to have a real feel for that kind of thing. and a song from his "little rock" album. ray w.h. was incredible, funny, did "snake farm" about how much fun it is to fuck amongst snakes and so forth, and proved himself perhaps the greatest living or the last living talking-blues performer. good guitar, actually, proto-modal-blooze-non-lick/lick stuff. he had everybody laughing. lauderdale did a soul-ish ballad he wrote and one he wrote for george jones, and sang the latter sort of like jones. he's not a bad singer but he ain't jones.

hacienda bros. were entertaining, competent, and they did make the journey from cowboy music to soul in their set, wore cowboy hats, the guitarist sounded like he'd been studying his american studios guitar playing. good, nothing too heavy. dan penn was supposed to play but he only did a *bridge* with the brothers! we all missed it! cary baker had a picture of it on his digital camera, said "here, see, he played," and we're like, fuck, we missed it.

tres chicas was a buzz thing. personally i think they are nice girls, and goddam the mercy lounge was crowded for them, and they sounded like the byrds. the laggy tempos, chiming guitars, the affectless harmonies. i found it overrated and antiseptic. they sounded like the byrds, fairport convention--electric folk-rock of the high-minded variety circa 1968.

it was just too crowded in there, at those clubs on eighth ave. s., at some point. for me, anyway. i can't stay up late enough to see carlene carter, who started at 12-30 or something like that. heard she was good, good band, got a record coming out.

solomon burke was supposed to give off love in a meet-greet, but he did not show. he's playing the belcourt here for a taping, soon, and he has described the buddy miller record and sessions he did here as real relaxed, perhaps to a fault, with emmylou harris baking him cookies and everybody just pickin'. like he needs a cookie. i dunno, i like "nashville" by burke but it doesn't knock me out. he sings OK and there are certainly good songs. with joe tex dead and swamp dogg not makin' the goddam americana-fest, and gram parsons feared missing in the big hurricane that just wiped out new orleans well and for good, nothing's as fun as it used to be.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

So I just emailed Edd about this, but I'm looking for somebody to cover the International Bluegrass Music Association’s “World of Bluegrass” conference in Nashville this week (Sep 25 – Oct 1) for Billboard. If any writers who are going to be in Nashville this week think they might be interested, please contact me via email...

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

also, in completely unrelated matters, i just noticed that the song off julie roberts's sinking-without-barely-a-trace men and mascara that my pandora.com keeps playing, and that I've been liking whenever i hear it, "girl next door," is not on the mostly boring (as i recall) original-version advance i've still got (never saw a copy of the finished product.) which means that, if it's a song her label demanded that she do, her label was probably right (not that it seems to have done much good in the long run, so far).

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 23 September 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"Girl Next Door" is on the advance I'm fixing to dump on Anthony; it's the one track produced by James Stroud.(Hayes Carll did a good set on one of those Pub Radio shows, think it was Woodsongs, anyway it's worth checking their archive for, despite creepy host)(the Byrds and especially Fairport were mostly pretty darn good, and the latter could be pretty great, ca. '68)Rev., I think the live (ca.'73) "Polk Salad Annie" I heard Elvis do on several audience tapes would fit with Bonnie Bramlett, Bobby Womack, Undisputed Truth, The Isley Brothers, The Bar-Kays and really most all of Nicky Siano's The Gallery, or as it says on the front of the sleeve only, Nicky Siano's Legendary The Gallery The Original New York Disco 1973-77 (either way, Soul Jazz Records SJR CD100) Reviewed here("Siano The Times"): http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0541,tracker_writer,59905,.html

don (dow), Saturday, 23 September 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Just back from Americana Mayhem in Nashnil--super awesome to hang for an evening with Mr. Hurt, who is as charming and hard drinking in the flesh as I'd guessed. I concur with his take above. The big awards hooha was a big snooze. Vince Gill gushed and rambled about Rodney Crowell and Rodney Crowell rambled about Guy Glark and Marty Stuart blee-blahhed about Kenny Vaughan, and just how many freakin' "Lifetime Achievement Awards" do they need to give? And Sam Bush wasn't the best mandolin player in the house no how. And Charlie Daniels got a Free Speech Award which made perfect sense since the First Amendment is all about the right to say dumb ass shit. However, if Robinella or Kasey Jones deserve nomination for anything it's for having publicists who know how to get pus from stones. The whole thing was redeemed only by Kim Richey wearing some kind of designer pup tent and James McMurtry dressed like Satan at a Texas BBQ and doing the great "We Can't Make It Here" (which won song of the year) and a Toussaint and Costello duo performance. Elvis C. leading a singalong? Yes. But my overall feeling was Kris K's: who do you have to screw to get out of this joint?

Other goings on included idiotic panels about Americana Image Makeover and booking agents telling people that it's not worth touring Europe cause you can make just as much in the lower 40. WTF. Evening showcase pleasures included Anne McCue, nervous but intense, covering Tony Joe White, right before he took the stage to descend fully into the primal blues ooze; Scott Miller loud as fuck; Carlene Carter looking sexy for having put on about 30 pounds and rocking and singing strong despite a meh band; a bracing solo James Hunter set in the Internet Cafe lounge; and a 1:30am set by Ray Wylie Hubbard, backed up by Seth James and Gary Nicholson on mean cat guitars, hilarious and iconoclastic without ever trying to be more than he is.

I'd go again, just for the free smokes all week. Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Co. pretty much subsidized my trip. Next time, Edd, we have to hang at the after hours hospitality suite. Open bar till 4am.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I counted quite a few Cary Baker clients in that post, yas indeed. He the man, or one of 'em. "not worth touring Europe cause you can make just as much in the lower 40." Yes, that's what Elvis keeps telling the Colonel, I hear (I got the freelance contacts baby).

don (dow), Sunday, 24 September 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Superb close listening / reading on that McCue song, Don. You're right about her tonal resemblance to McVie.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 24 September 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Roy! the Stevie side is more the romantic impulsive side of her sensibilty than her actual sound, maybe (womanly/womany x girly, but it might be the influence of McCue's own early work on my hearing of her new). But it all still seems to fit, the more I listen. Also,Cary Baker(at least re "Alvarado") is reminded of Concrete Blonde's better stuff, or Johnette's better vocals, anyway.

don (dow), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to the new Pat Green & all his Springsteen references (the lovers listening to "Born to Run" on "Feels Just Like It Should" and Pat singing about a 'brilliant disguise' on another track) got me thinking about how the Boss has shown up repeaedly over the last few years in country songs (off the top of my head MontGen's "Hell Yeah", Brooks & Dunn-"She was Born to Run.") Bruce catching up with Merle and Hank in the name drop stats? Was Springsteen popular in the south back in his prime? I live close to NJ so I tend to think of him as a regional artist. Any of his influence on contemporary country seems like it's been filtered through John Cougar but I don't hear a lot of lyrics like "driving around listening to Pink Houses."

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah he was and is popular in the South, but influence in country seems to show up more in dynamics of live show and his records that come closer to that, re combination of one-to-one (like the stories he'd tell between songs, and the more intimate songs) with TURN IT UP YEEHA. Not that country didn't laready have some of that, and and not that it didn't come from other 70s/80s non-country artists, but he's pretty handy, imagewise, etc. Otherwise, yeah, filtered more through Mellencamp's moody journeyman template, which you can use with out having to be as flamboyantly/overreachingly Broocian as you would likely be if trying to bite the primary source directly. (but country isn't nec Southern anyway; a lot of songs break first on Western stations, and a lot of the Western workforce/audience is from other areas, East as well as South; for that matter, I know a lot of people who have moved from the Southeast to Northeast, and vice versa [some coming back down here, when there are more jobs, and yet the cost of living remains lower than a lot of other areas])

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

great oxford american article here:
http://www.oxfordamericanmag.com/content.cfm?ArticleID=81&Entry=Extras

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

also a question

listening to sliding on the frets, the hawaiian guitar collection, there are several tracks where the volacaztions move from something hawaiian to something either bluesy (oscar woods here) or bluegrassy (the blue ridge ramblerS), or strangely enough yodelling
(the jaw dropping bezos hawaiian orhestra, singing sti honoloou(sp)...

i know that there was a hawaiiana craze in the southern united states (well in all of the united states in the 20s and 30s), and i know that the steel guitar came to country thru that craze, and the linear notes make some tennous connectections b/w blue grass, native hawiaan music, and the blues, among other things, so:

1) does anyone know anymroe of this history
2) how did hawaiian guitar become so popular in appalichia
3) did the work function the opposite way, is there a wakiki blue grass scene
4) w/ ww2, statehood, and the like, i understand the hawaiiana craze from the mid 50s, but have no idea where it came from the 20s or so?
5) also, does anyone know where else i can here this kind of thing

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

1. a good place for anthony to find more of that kind of thing: "hawaiian steel guitar classics 1927-1938," arhoolie 1993 CD.
2. springsteen in country: jamie o'neal mentioned driving around to "born to in the u.s.a." i believe in "brave" (i think it was) last year. in the late '80s or so, mac mcnally (i think -- i used to have a good best-of LP by him but don't anymore) i believe hit the country charts with a cover of sprinsteen's ("river"-era i believe?) rockabilly b-side "stand on it." so the phenomenon is not necessarily something new. i'm sure i'll think of other examples.
3. "she was country when country wasn't cool: a tribute to barbara mandrell" on now, and it's excellent. RIGHT now: brad paisley covering "in times like these," the original of which i don't think i ever heard before (it's not on the great 1979 MCD mandrell best-of on my shelf), but this version, at least, very BLATANTLY uses the same riff-rhythm that black sabbath used in "children of the grave" and blondie used in "call me". to determine whether it is metal country or disco country, one would have to figure out whether babs's original came out before or after 1980 i suppose. five songs in, what's otherwise amazing about this album is how that it reminds me how barbara mandrell's hits sounded as much like '70s soul music as '70s country music. even reba and kenny doing "i was country when country wasn't cool" has soul music in it. and "in the midnight oil," right now in gretchen's version, sounds like....well, i'm blanking out on '70s women soul singers. edd, give me a hint, okay? (okay now sara evans telling me that i can eat crackers in her bed any time. wow, what a sexy song. with a weird double meaning maybe?)
(dullest track by far so far is sung by willie and shelby, fwiw.)
4. bomshel album, apparently coming out on curb sometime soon, is very entertaining; my main misgiving, bizarrely, is i wish it was more emotional, though maybe the emotion will kick in like the goofiness has. "bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno. they also cover "the devil went down to georgia," and the devil's (prog/classical metal, i'm now realizing) fiddle solo still wins though of course they still don't admit it, and this time he's competing against a girl fiddle player named chrissie i think. bomshel are two girls themselves, one on fiddle and one on guitar, one (judging from their website and myspace page) who presents herself as a touch motorcycle chick and one who wears an almost b-52s-worthy wacky blonde bouffant. in "country music love song," they go to what appears to be a gay bar and talk to drag queens and transvestites. not exactly their kind of place, they tell us, but they seem to have a good time.
5. new tea leaf green album, *rock'n'roll band* earns its title. even better than the last one, for its instrumental parts, by which i mean mainly not only its guitar parts. the vocals, still deadhead mellow, don't grab me but also don't really bug me. if there are any other "jam bands" this listenable out there, i'd like to know who.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(TOUGH motorcycle chick.) (and other typo corrections where that came from.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

also "i mean mainly BUT not only [the new tea leaf green album's] guitar parts." (dammit.)

dierks covering barbara's alleged "fast lanes and country roads" now. it rocks.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and mandrell's 1979 best-of LP was on MCA. (does anybody remember her TV show? was it any good? better or worse than mac davis's??)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(and oops, hadn't noticed; final track on mandrell CD is "he set my life to music" by cece winans, which doesn't seem great but still intrigues me. did barbara have a soul music following, at all? AMG [see below] doesn't list any r&b chart appearances, but who knows how those charts worked then. either way, i wouldn't be surprised.)

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE67818DE4EAD7E20C79A3A40CDAD67FD1BFE5AFB86112F0456D3B82D40AF1844C34FA39A81B8E576B466ADFF2EA21606D9C8EF5CFDDB764C40&sql=11:6gjveaw04xg7~T5

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, those AMG tallies appear to be just albums, not singles.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

im really interested in mandrell, because she went from sueprstar to shut in so quickly, and all you see her in these days is specials about the history of soemthing or other...

how hard is it to find the box set on ebay or something?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know anything about any box set, Anthony.

Also great on the (potentially eddy 2006 top ten) mandrell tribute: leann rimes's over-the-top adult r&b "if loving you is wrong i don't want to be right" (apparently previously sung by bobby blue bland, the drifters, isaac hayes, luther ingram, the emotions, and most significantly in mandrell's case millie jackson -- she did other millie j. songs too, right? though i doubt she ever sat on a toilet taking a dumb on an LP cover); terri clark's rocking "sleeping single in a double bed"; blaine larsen's very jazzily western swinging "i wish that i could fall in love today." wow. (paisley's sabbath/blondie rhythm track turns out mainly to be a hard boogie.)

also, bruce's "stand on it" wasn't done by mac mcanaly (whoever he is -- i've heard he's good but not sure i've ever heard him); it was done by mel mcdaniel. i always get those two mixed up, but mcdaniel (of "louisiana saturday night" fame) is the one whose best-of album i was retarded to have gotten rid of once upon a time. (xgau's '80s book gives the LP with "stand on it" a B; the greatest hits a B+.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(or taking a DUMP, for that matter.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

(barbara mandrell poos clouds.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't hear a lot of lyrics like "driving around listening to Pink Houses."

Well, Kenny Chesney talks about "Jack and Diane" (along with Steve Miller's "Keep On Rockin' Me Baby" --that's what he calls it; what is it really, just "Rockin' Me"? -- and Billy Joel's "Only The Good Die Young") in "Live Those Songs." That's one. (The Leather Nun talk about "Pink Houses" in "Pink House," but they probably don't count.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno.

ha, basically who it totally sounds like (except with a girl singing) is Rednex! (Was their "Cotton Eyed Joe" a two-step hit in the U.S., or only a techno dance hit in Europe? Now I need to know.)

Now Bomshel's totally unnecessary but perfectly entertaining "Devil Went Down to Georgia" cover is making me wonder about apparent non-sequiturs I never gave a moment's worth of thought to before:

"The devil's in the house of the rising sun": I'm assuming this means the whorehouse itself, and is hence a moral warning? Except the house is in New Orleans, and he's in Georgia. Dude gets around!

"Chicken's in the bed pan, pickin' out dough." Or at least that's what it sounds like. I guess it would make perfect sense if you work in a bakery. But what does it have to do with the rest of the song? Was Charlie appropriating an ancient square dance call, or what?

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

yep, ive heard the call on a couple of sqaure dance records i own, but i dont remember what its called, i will look it up in a second

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, the Julie Roberts abomination (which should be the name of her band) is on its way. Nick Tosches' book Country: America's Biggest Music names the Hawaiian guy who's been credited with inventing "Hawaiian" guitar, and that book's usually accurate, but Nick adds, It's hard to believe he's the first one who thought of doing that to a guitar," and indeed, reading elsewhere about the history of dobros, use of bottles, knives and steel slides, all the way back to accounts of slaves stringing bailing wire along the sides of barns, and sliding rakes,etc back and forth, part of the appeal in the South might have been that Hawaiian and "Hawaiian" music basically sounded familiar, but also in a quaint new seeting (especially good for those of my own Appalachian ancestors who weren't too fond of black people, but liked some of their music). (While it's true that mah 'billies resisted being dragged into the Civil War, some also blamed the slaves for not conveniently rising up and slaughtering the planter class, nipping the war in the bud.(Thus the Klan was founded in the foothills, not the Black Belt, the cotton country, but that's where it really caught on, in a more lingering way. Alabama's own Nelstone's Hawaiians appear on Harry Smith's Smithsonian Anthology, which I don't have time to unearth rat now, but might tell more about it, and Nick's book and that xpost comp xhuxx cites. Yeah, in the record stores, I sold a lot of soul and country to the same people (white and black), and of course Ray Charles' Modern Sounds In Country And Western was suffused in soul, duh, despite being a landmark of proto-countrypolitan (or the Nashville Sound, since I never heard the word "countrypolitan" til early 70s). And Elvis and Tony Joe White, xpost Rev. Hoodoo's and my exchange above, certainly did a lot that way, and the white bluecoller r&b connection was prob a big part of Springsteen's appeal in country (Gary Stewart was hyped as "the Springsteen of country" ca. '75, if not '74)Aretha and Al Green were doing really good country covers by the mid-70s, at least. (And we were talking about Stoney Edwards upthread, or was it last year's? Been a long year...) Anthony, Mandrell went full-steam for several years, and then had a really, really bad carwreck, dunno what else happened to her. I'll have to check that tribute, and Bomshel too. FarmAid's live on the web today,and you can link from their site: http://www.farmaid.org

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i knew about the car wreck, i didnt know how bad it was, thanks for all the info don, i knew kind of bout what tosches wrote, but he seems to over simplify things

i still owe you jason mccoy (and edd, and someone else) aargh busy

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

chicken's in the BREAD pan not bed pan (which somebody is pooing clouds in instead.) speaking of country chicken, frank just emailed me this link. he says he prefers the song to (my single of the year) "chicken noodle soup." i don't, but i do like this regardless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM

it occurs to me that bombsel MIGHT be attempting a female version of big n rich's dual-harmony disco-country concept, in a way. their harmonies, if in fact they exist, are pretty close though. unless it's just one of the bombshell multi-tracked, i'm not sure yet.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

and ms. peachez reminds me: didn't sylvester have some countrified moments on his early blue thumb LPs with the hot band or whatever they were called? sadly, i no longer own them to check. (also, early chicago house music had certain country aspects as well, in its boogie woogie piano, etc. There was even an artist called Farm Boy!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i gave that to frank, in a link, while figuring out minstelry, he told me not to be silly...im not sure i like it, but then i hate fun, so its all sorted

looking thru my sqaure dance books, i found something called the chicken reel but nothing with the line, chicken in the bread pan, picking up dough

http://www.ceder.net/choreo/patter_sayings.php4 but this song claims the two lines are:

Chicken in the bread pan pickin' out dough
Big pig rootin' up the little tater now.

Chicken in the bread pan scratching out gravel,
get your maid & away you travel.

so i was right, but i dont have the dance patterns

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=4869

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of morons on that link:

"Country music definitely re-enforces redneck sister-fucking, whiskey-drinking, big-truck, cowboy retard stereotype as much as Yin Yang twins promote chicken-lovin, monkey-actin, small brained jigs. "

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of people who flunked Geography class too (unless they all live where Anthony does, which makes the entire lower 48 "the south.")

This guy seems pretty smart, though:

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Divide and conquer is what is abound. Folk on here talking about racial stereotypes, while using slurrs thats really proactive. The negative context of minstrel shows came from whites applying blackface and exploiting and using thier act to copy or ridicule blacks with talent. This was a case of wanting to enjoy black entertainment, as long as there were not any real blacks around. You can see later how these black influences later appeared in their dances, music and speech.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
A minstrel is a poor entertainer who performs for income, the musician, dancer, mime, poet or singer with a cup on the street could be considered a minstrel. I really find it ignorant for some to base the culture and intelligence of a whole group, based on the actions of a few entertainers, whom acting a fool for comedic value in an apparently on purpose manner. They are making a choice on how to express themselves through their medium. Do you think these people function in this manner all during their daily functions? If you do, who is really an ignorant fool.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Dont you find it odd, that the black people in region of this country that has taken the biggest and most severe forms of racism is accused of perpetuating racial stereotypes? Do you not think we have a firm grasp on what is truly harmful to not just us, but all people of color in this country?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
Now its north vs south, with the north being most critical of music that if you used an unbiased analytical ear you will hear similar influences universally. Why must the aspiring efforts of others be ostrasiced because of your particular taste? Its one thing to be critical, but being contemptuous toward your own is new improved bigotry. Fact is, we are free people, we can dance, talk, eat and express ourselves without fear or worry of what others think, is this not America?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Finally, with all this talk about a drag queen cooking chicken, a teenager bragging about a chain and children making up a funny named dance, where is the criticism of the murder, drug dealing, drug using, violence and irresponsibility that has been present in the hip hop music of all regions for over two decades? I sense their are hypocrites with an agenda pushing this southern hate. They dont have to like our music, its enough of us that buy it, but this character assassination of general southern is a problem and can become a problem to northern people who visit and live here in the south, who wants to interact with someone who feels like that towards you?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

more:

http://blackademics.org/2006/09/25/everybody-want-a-piece-of-my-chicken/

Allyson makes some good points here; several other people do not.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

From what I can see, those websites mainly illustrate an issue of class. For relevant context, they should preferably be read with the Supremes' "I'm Living In Shame" playing in the background.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm enjoying the debut from Chris Young, who was on Nashville Star (though I've never seen the show, lacking cable myself.) "Burn" is my
favorite track thus far, but almost everything is nearly as good. He's
maybe/sorta traditional in a sense--the '80s version of trad--but has a rock feel mixed into several songs.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm Headed Your Way, Jose" by Chris Young is probably the most interesting (only) songs about illegal immigration I've ever heard.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

As songs of protest go, Tom Russell's "Who's Gonna Build Your Wall?" caps the "immigration debate" just about right.

New McMurtry sequel to "We Can't Make It Here" on his website isn't so hot.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Ramon, you might need to listen to "José Perez León" by Los Tigres del Norte, or maybe their "Tres Veces Mojado".

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Ramon, you need to hear "Born in East L.A." by Cheech y Chong.

Chris Young's "I'm Headed Your Way Jose" has a pretty neat conceipt -- come on up here and take my house and Chevrolet since I'm headed down there where things are better anyway and I'll give you a high five at the border -- though Chris seems somewhat deluded, needless to say, about what Jose's life down there is like. Though maybe the delusion is built into the song. Or maybe Chris's point is that his life down there would be better than Jose's is now, I'm not sure...

Rest of his album is seeming okay; kinda pedestrian, but then again I thought that about Trent Willmon's album at first (see above), and I was wrong. I'm in no rush, though; I'll definitely give it time.

Lost Trailers album, I decided, is this year's answer to the last (third) (only good) Warren Brothers album. Whatever that might mean. Either way, it's a keeper -- pretty consistent, if never quite great.

Spady Brannon's album is yet another lifeless songwriter demo tape.

And did I mention that Bomshel go into an amusing "the barn, the barn, the barn is on fire" chant in their stomp? Well, now I did.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I forgot about "Born in East L.A." and "Illegal Alien" by Genesis.
And maybe the Offspring had something too. There are probably some L.A. hardcore acts with (anti?) immigration songs, but I doubt I'd like them.

I think I found the Chris Young song interesting because it's from a
country artist. When I saw the title I kind of cringed, thinking it was either the millionth iteration of the "I'm going to Mexico to drink you off my mind" or some gimmicky red meat for the Build-a-Wall folks.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

If only he didn't think Jose's life wasn't all siestas and fiestas. (By the time he gets to that part of the song, he's apparently forgotten the beginning, where he told us Jose's escaping to the U.S. for a better life. Weird. Cool mariachi horns, though.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

(Oops, get rid of half of my double negative in the first sentence.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's pretty perverse. Kind of like someone singing to a guy who lives in a D.C. ghetto and talking about how cool it is that the guy gets to vote on all those bills in congress.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

louisville sluggers to both headlights, names carved in leather seats, stuff blowing up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r0aHQdA6Vg

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 8 October 2006 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

damned dial-up makes watching youtube a pain in the arse. while I was in Boston, my technophile friend with hi-speed and I watched a bunch of that stuff. didn't see the one xhuckk links above, did see gilberto gil and the mutants doing "sunday in the park" live in 1967.

I found Chris Young's record pretty lame--he has no resonance in his voice, and sounds to me like a halfway good guy who won a talent competition...wait...and the backing, when you compare it to the best stuff this year, is stiff, predictable. the one where the family reunion gets crazy, owing to moonshine and granny slurring her words and the Gators and UT fans fighting, and then the park ranger comes in to break it up (see ya'll all next year!), that's a good idea. "José" strikes me as plain stupid, I mean "Everybody's talking about the aliens invading/While I'm saving every dime for a Mexican vacation." I admire this kind of...avidity, that is maybe the word, in the young man, and certainly, my heaven includes but is not limited to "hot women and cheap beer." Again, I kind of like the idea and far be it from me to warn anyone away from a trip to our sister country and all that. But he's just not much of a performer; and I find the obvious thinking behind this song--"Chris is as concerned about illegal immigration as anyone in Nashville, and he thought it would just be fun to defuse the situation with a little humor"--typical.


xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 8 October 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Mindy Smith

Kelefa's reaction: "great".

My reaction: Not as terrible as I'd feared.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

A friend of mine who glories in irritating my ever-worsening TOby Keith obsession sends me this:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,2792,DRMN_54_5020454,00.html

- TK in "rock 'n' roll is dead" shocker
- TK in "lifelong registered democrat" bigger shocker.
- TK in sympathy with the tough life the likes of Sammy Hagar and Bon Jovi have in the modern world non-shocker.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I have been avoiding this thread because I keep meaning to post a list of the pile of country vinyl I picked up on my recent trip to the States. But I keep forgetting to write the list out, and so I've been skulking in doorways when I've seen the thread coming round the corner, hoping not to be noticed.

My brother bought me the Solomon Burke LP the other day, which was nice of him . I was a bit concerned it was going to be a horrible Unplugged / Later with Jools Holland reverencefest but it's not (all) like that. Oddly the best bits are when SB reins it in and doesn't overdo the King of Rock n Soul thing. The Emmylou song in particular's very fine, perhaps the secret to getting SB to make great records is to keep the cookie jar well-stocked.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

NEW YORK, NY, October 17, 2006— Fresh from their performance on the Ellen DeGeneres Show, iconic rockers Def Leppard brought their hit concert tour to Los Angeles’ Hollywood Bowl on Friday night, where they were joined on stage by country music superstar Tim McGraw. McGraw made a special surprise guest appearance during the encore of the group’s smash hit “Pour Some Sugar On Me,” which undoubtedly brought the house down. The incredible duet was performed in front of thousands of screaming fans proving that the hysteria is never ending for Def Leppard.

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In other news, I have decided that I like both the Eric Church album and its single about over-the-counter pregnancy tests a lot, that I like the Chris Young album much more than Edd Hurt does (the family reunion song always makes me think of if John Anderson covered Chuck Berry's wedding song "You Never Can Tell," though Chris doesn't really sing like Jawn; "Center Of My World" has the same melody as Shooter Jennings' "4th of July" despite being a lot sappier; the price of gas song is better than the one on Billy Ray Cyrus's new album; "Burn" is great too and "Lay It On Me" is a good fast boogie woogie -- so yeah, he's pro forma, but still more fun than any Randy Travis or George Strait in recent memory); the new Billy Ray Cyrus album is pretty good anyway (the gas song and mullet song are completely shameles in great achy breaky tradition and "Lonely Wins" is basically John Cougar's "Lonely Old Night" with new words and the duet with Miley is very nice and "It Wouldn't Be Me" sounds exactly either like some great Glen Campbell song or some great song by somebody else that reminded me of Glen Campbell once); and Trace Adkins is probably a despicable asshole (though his line about the first ammendment protecting you against the government but not his fist still cracks me up) but his new album is good enough to keep regardless thanks to its two shameless disco-country songs and "The Stubborn One," which is awesome, not to mention about his grandpa.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

(Though obviously, duh, "Lonely Wins" doesn't change all of "Lonely Old Night"'s words. Also, "Lonely Wins" may be the better dance song. Though not a better dance song than "Thundering Hearts.")

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, I can't get past Chris Young's voice--he sounds just like any number of talent-show vocalists, something really disgusting and fake in the way he sings. plus the whole thing sounds really clunky to me. but xhuxk's point on the family-reunion song and Chuck Berry and John Anderson is well-taken, so I'll give it another chance. I like the idea of the Chris Young record, but so far...

decided that the great song on new Montgomery Gentry is "A Man's Job," because it's the funniest. "Redder" strikes me as pretty dumb, since they talk about celebrating redneckdom, "don't get redder than that" but they never really come out and say what it is they're doing to be so red. What I've found interesting about MG, listening to their old records again with the new one and having interviewed Eddie last week, is the way they do twin guitars like in the old days, and how adventurous they can be, musically. What I find sort of offputting, as always, are those choruses, like the title song on the new one. "Here's to the strong/Here's to the brave/Against all odds/Against the grain." Kind of stupid compared to the rest of the song, which I quite like. "Free Ride," the last song, is also a good one. I like them but can't take them for very long. Wait, "having too much fun and laughing too loud all night" is how they show their "country class/ass." I dunno, I mean this convenience store I stop at, at the top of the ridge going up from Nashville, is a real, er, redneck place, and man are those folks fucking loud--a real extended-family-clan-affirmation thing on a really loud level, around about 5:15 in the afternoon. I don't think I could be that loud if I tried, although these folks have the virtue of being extremely direct; they have a direct, penetrating gaze. That's who M-G are singing about, and they get it. But as with Chris Young, I guess, they seem to me able to benefit from more detail in their lyrics, which is why I fucking love "A Man's Job" on the new MG; great music, great lope, and they sing it really well and it's funny. (Eddie, I think, found my comment about the great use of "boy toy" in this one real amusing. And he was a bit coached, but seemed totally sincere when he talked about how his dad used this black gospel group and horns to play country clubs in Ky. back in the '60s and '70s.)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, that fits with the soul side of Kentucky Headhunters, and KY's own Nappy Roots. I'm very intrigued by the idea of Jawn (known as that cause he sings like that, chawin' his awe, a bull who knows howww to git with the cowwws, under thuh moooon) doing the speedy brilliant Cajun-gloss ""C'est La Vie (You Never Can Tell)"--! Oh, somebody I surely must have heard before (but surely I'd remember?) is Jon Dee Graham, doing a brief set on Public Radio's Woodsongs: gravelly vibrato balancing and balanced by clear, non-pedantic diction, and good words, good tunes. Hate to hype something that may not withstand CD scrutiny, but sure had some of the better qualities of Seger and Graham Parker (in their prime, or maybe even past Seger's, since I like the later stuff that I've heard). A song about his kid that breaks the Kogan Rule ("Country songs about kids always suck," so maybe it isn't country), and one where he goes to perform in Amsterdam and is walking around, seeing the sights, including a demurely clothed Muslim girl, whom he tells (in song only, prob) "I love you, but not in that Western way." Discreet music. (He was "followed" by Tres Chicas, but they couldn't really.)Are his albums good?

don (dow), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I think JDG's Summerland is some kinda great. Dude guy can play guitar--sorta like a punk Bill Kirchen with a Strat (which maybe means not like Kirchen at all)--and his tunes always stick with me. I've hummed "A Place In the Shade" through every summer since I heard it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't get past Chris Young's voice--he sounds just like any number of talent-show vocalists, something really disgusting and fake

I gotta say I don't hear this at all, and I honestly have no idea what Edd's talking about here. To me Young just sounds like a pop-country singer with a good voice. He has no problem putting songs over. Then again, I don't watch many talent shows, so what do I know?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link

(I also would have no idea that Chris had ever been a contestant in one if I hadn't read this thread. And I gotta wonder if, he hadn't, whether Edd would still hear "talent show singer" in his voice... Like I said, not a great album, but a consistently entertaining and listenable one -- even that ridiculous illegal immigration song.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

(And there's also a point to be made, of course, about how some of the more effective vocalists in the past few years - Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, er, other people right? - are in fact graduates of talent shows themselves. And they don't all sing the same as each other. So I'm not all that sure "talent show singer" is an insult...)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't forget Miranda Lambert.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link

If there's any knock against talent show performers it's that they overdo the melisma--something I wouldn't accuse Chris Young of.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link

no, obviously singing in talent shows doesn't mean it's a dis. carrie underwood, her record I liked, now it gets on my nerves. but she sings fine. what I hear in Chris Young is a competent enough vocalist with no personality, and the fake growls he puts in at the end of "beer or gas" don't make me happy. I find the backing sort of one-dimensional and dinky, no matter how many times I've listened to this record, as on "you're gonna love me." he's got it down, that way of singing; I suppose what I hear is subservience, plus he rushes it a little; the whole record sounds rhythmically off to me, like they took everything at slightly the wrong tempo. I do like "white lightning" and I think, listening to it, that maybe Chris Young just needs a better producer or someone to coach him a bit, because this song seems taken at the wrong tempo, it's not *limber* enough for me, I guess.

and that's one great thing about carrie underwood's record: it's perfectly paced. the songs seem constructed to show off his range, too, like when he goes for "lonely" in "drinkin' me lonely." but yeah, I admit it's a pretty good simulation of travis or someone like that, and it does seem I am in the minority in not liking the record--michael mccall here likes it a lot, and he also likes the mindy smith record, which I can't work up any emotion about.

I dug around a bit and found out that what Troy Gentry is in trouble for in Minn. isn't so much killing Chubby the Bear, but tagging it supposedly illegally and sending the hide back to a taxidermist; Chubby now hangs in Troy's Franklin house. It seems like Troy got some allegedly bad advice from the guy who was his guide up there.

And I guess shooting a bear seems like just a big job I don't want to undertake. (Like getting a talent-show singer up to speed for a record, natch. And maybe that's the whole thing with Chris: it sounds a lot like work to me.) In fact, it seems like a nightmare. I'm the kind of guy who swerves to miss a fucking squirrel in the highway, so shooting a bear named Chubby...apparently, violating the federal Lacey Act brings stiff penalties, and apparently Troy's having a jury trial in Duluth in about 5 weeks.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, some description upthread, tagging was the main legal issue, and also he made a snuff video, cooking own goose, hopefully. Jack Sparks suspects this was intended to be part of a music video, I think (if I can wade far enough into Jack's tirade without getting lost). Also, hilariously rips "Two Pink Strips" a new one. Both meltdowns can be found in his Minneapolis City Pages blog.

don (dow), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Dierks Bentley alb streamed over at the AOL Listening Party. (Also Vince Gill, JoJo, Squarepusher, Aerosmith.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Based on one listen to one Chris Young song - "Drinkin' Me Lonely" - I did think that the guy's voice was missing something. He did everything right, does a really nice falsetto at the end, but my ears had relegated it to the background within a minute of my putting it on. But that's only one listen, and "in the background" isn't necessarily a bad place for good music.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: "Some People Change" by Chesney or Montgomery Gentry

Also, 4 CD set of new material by Vince Gill. Why?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm doing a shortie for the Scene on Chris Young. OK, I think he can sing, but as Frank says above, he's kinda missing something.

Could be Buddy Cannon's production, which seems flat and undefined to me. I think it's the drum sound. He did, if I recall rightly, the one Sara Evans record I don't like, because of the production.

Did anybody else notice that the new M-Gentry record has 1) really good graphics, I think 2) they don't list *any* writers' credits that I see, which is right unusual for a Nashville record?

And anybody heard the new Keith Urban? I think I'm getting a watermarked copy, had to convince them I'm not working the "Paducah and Carbondale corridor," as Colbert and Randy Newman amusingly spoke of in a recent episode that had Newman completely up for Colbert's fine (but sometimes annoying) switcheroo-bullshit act. And not going to make bootleg knockoffs with a nudie pic of Nicole crudely placed on cheap paper. (If you can somehow catch that Colbert Reporr episode again--it ran maybe 10-14 days ago, it's a good one, not least because Newman *sang* "Political Science" as it ended.)

I haven't gotten or heard that Gill. Smart people have told me it's suprisingly good, apparently he does a whole disc of what was described to me as "swamp pop." He's a good damn guitar player, is the thing, a talented guy indeed. And he's got Amy, sweet Amy...

Decided I quite liked the Gary Bennett record. One-time minor leaguer who had to take a job at Home Depot (apparently he did), drinks too much, doesn't like turning 40. Great sound, and I think the record works well as an entity, if a bit depressing on rainy days.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm reviewing Lari White's "Stinky Socks" for PaperThinWalls. It's from Kid Pan Alley Nashville, which isn't strictly country, but neither are most of the other contenders for my Top Ten (It's got a few duds, but the goodies are so good, incl some semi-ringers, like Amy's "Christmas In Nashville." Christmas is mostly for kids, and retailers, incl baby moguls, so maybe it's not a ringer at all, but not sure of kid input, which is allegedly present on all tracks). So, I will do a search on these bigass Rolling C.s, cos I know somebody said something about her, but any thoughts on Lari?

don (dow), Saturday, 21 October 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Neither Allmusic/Billboard nor Wikipedia had writer credits on the Monty G, but I found this on their Website:

Some People Change
Michael Dulaney, Jason Sellers, Neil Thrasher

Hey Country
Bart Allmand, Danny Myrick, Jeffrey Steele

Lucky Man
David Cory Lee, Dave Turnbull

Takes All Kinds
Michael Dulaney, Troy Gentry, Neil Thrasher

Your Tears Are Comin'
Tom Hambridge, Jeffrey Steele

Clouds
Eddie Montgomery, Tony Mullins, Jeffrey Steele

Twenty Years Ago
Gary Nicholson, Rivers Rutherford, Jeffrey Steele

What Do Ya Think About That
Brett Jones, Anthony Smith

Redder Than That
Rivers Rutherford, George Teren

Man's Job
Gary Hannan, Eddie Montgomery, Phil O'Donnell, Thom Shepherd

If You Wanna Keep an Angel
Troy Gentry, Rivers Rutherford, Tom Shapiro

Free Ride in the Fast Lane
Houston Robert, Rivers Rutherford, George Teren

(Allmusic did mention Mark Wright as having a hand in the production, and Wright is generally excellent.)

Have heard only the title song. Doesn't hit me nearly as hard as it seems to be knocking over everyone else; well sung, well played, surely, hazy wah-wah against precise chording, and I'd be surprised if the Chesney version were as good (never heard it); but this is slow, and the chorus carries a heavy wall of rock sound not unlike late '70s Springsteen (Edd mentioned the Springsteen connection upthread), which just isn't my favorite style. Not nearly as alive and fun as "She Couldn't Change Me." Change schmange. And as for the message of life transformation, this song goes through motions that "Jesus Take the Wheel" does for real. On the other hand, the gospel choir at the end actually lifts the music - I'd almost call it exciting, and I'm generally a hater of gospel choirs in rock songs. The choir in "Like a Prayer" is one of the few others I can tolerate. I'll probably like the album - MG are my favorite band of the '00s (unless you count Ying Yang Twins as a band, and come to think of it, YYT are probably as much a band or not a band as the Montgumbos).

I was just listening to "Some People Change" on Launch Yahoo, and - since I'm on their Spanish language site 'cause it has fewer and better-sounding commercials - which has now tossed Belinda's great "Angel" at me. Talk about knowing how to do melodrama. Someday one of these country bands simply has to go and record in Mexico.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks frank. I found all that on the website, but wonder why they didn't list it on the record. my theory is that eddie and troy wrote more on this one than they ever have before, and wanted to give the impression they're a "band" (they're a duo w/ studio cats) and that they're songwriters. as usual, the number of songs they go thru to get 12 is amazing, in this case it was 4000, if montgomery's comment to me is accurate. amazing.

did a critic pick on chris young for the scene; he's participating in this "broadway meets country" benefit at tn.perf. arts ctr. next wk., where people like him, raul malo, etc., sing b-way toonz and the broadway cats go country. it's part of the big leadup to CMA awards here, and in its second year. anyway, I think he can sing just fine, in fact he's quite good, but those fucking songs on that record (his own "drinkin' me lonely" and one or two others are real good, though) were my problem, and buddy cannon's production, which just sounds dated to me. I mean that song about wanting to move to mexico, hard as I try to get into the mindset, if I can use that odious word, that created it, just makes me arf. really disgraceful. if they'll get me in, I'd love to see what he does with other material; and seems to me he shoulda made a record like jamey johnson's. and, turns out young has been trying, had been trying, to get into music even before the nash star stuff, and his dad was sort of in the bizness.

nashville songwriting is such a weird animal, undeniably professional, but wearying. "some people change" is a decent example; it seems to lose its way in that chorus, which drives me nuts, and the song is *everywhere* on the radio here now, giving away the CD, and all that. they have to relate everything to some big emotion and some perceived audience, and of course to the War Effort and the Heroes in Iraq. I mean fuck, I feel for those guys, who wouldn't, and having recently shepherded a couple of friends thru their AA traumas, which are no laughing matter, I guess beating the booze is "heroic," but that chorus is still just Bad Art. it's almost a great song, is the thing, and as frank says, I think the gospel choruses are a good idea. (country seems to be using them more as Signifier of Soul, just like every country record has got to have a song about Dropping My Load and Moving to Sunny Mexico.) but shit, these guys truly maximize Southern rock as effectively as anyone I can think of, and "free ride in fast lane" is pretty great, as is "hey country." which is one of the best songs about being not quite working class I know; very savvy about their audience, and I love the detail where the old boy in the song is working at the auto-repair shop and sometimes they let 'im work on a fan belt or whatever it is--he's a stoner, still, and tends to, uh, forget what the haill he's doing, completely ruint mr. gentry's lexus so we learnt a lesson there. but a good ol' boy, just still thinks he's in high school and he's 27. also, perhaps their most big and rich -influenced song on the record? in short, the m-gentry record ought to be licensed for continuous play at every highschool reunion ('80s) from here to wichita.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I've written (on prev R.C.thread and thefreelancementalists) about digging the halfway house macho/siege mentality/defensiveness/knowing you're fucked/hopefullness of prev album (and political implications etc.) But the further coming to grips on here only works if you got a good strong grip and something to grip, rassle with. Otherwise it's like Sasquatch is way overmedicated, but not in a fun way. Overmed=mediocre, that is. So I don't give a shit about the first four tracks (sure, throw that bottle in the video, that's all it takes; whyncha take the Pledge vs. demon rum, like Sen. Tower, and where is he now)(although seeing oneself or anyway "you" as "one more spoke in the wheel" is a tiny xtreme flashback to Doom Your Thing siegebrush). "Your Tears Are Coming" chopsnchannels wrath or at least indignation, like Free covering Seger (only not that good). "Clouds" is succinct with the sentiment; "20 Years Ago" ditto, and he knows it's one of those what the fuck can you do? family situations. "I don't care what anybody thinks!" Undercut by "What do you think about that?" (wry laugh, he knows he cares)"A Man's Job": deftly bitchy macho (good students of Willie and Merle!) "Angel" and "Free Ride" may worm themselves into my non-channelswitching tolerance/apathy. "Redder"? The Doom Your Thing bikers pawned that ring for Peter Pan Port, lonnng ago, Archie and Fonzie!

don (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

New Montgomery Gentry and Bright Eyes albs being streamed for a week at AOL's Listening Party (also new Marion Raven!!!*, Hannah Montana, Brooke Hogan, Jibbs, Who, Moby, My Chemical Romance)(busy week).

*Marion's is an EP, six songs, three new, three from the Atlantic alb that was never released here; she's concentrating on the rockers rather than the Max Martins, unfortunately. She's basically transforming herself into an L.A. rocker chick. Meat Loaf's duet with her is in the British Top Ten right now.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(As a matter of fact, the Marion EP is probably as relevant to this thread as to the teenpop; at least it's closer to Shooter Jennings than to M2M; not as interesting as either, though it sounds good. I'd like to see her create a Shakira-Shooter-Crüe amalgamation, but I doubt she'll ever try.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Somebody has to! (Shakira's hardbilly "r" ["mmyee deeearr"] and still relatively big ol' billybutt etc etc., times Shooter keyboards on the itchy rocks and Crue-well, I've never gotten into theyum, but their fearlessness would help)

little pink strips for you and me (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one listen into the new dierks, doing something quick on the turnaround on it. well, shit, it's as gratifyingly abstract as the first one. I mean, his shtick re ramblin' and gamblin' is lame, but damn, "that don't make it easy lovin' me" is pretty amazing, not least of all as a rewrite of "lot of leavin' left." rocks in on a tangle of guitar and then stomps with a terse lick that is gratifyingly abstract. a modified 1-1V progression, with "I got a woman/Let me tell you man she's something/You won't catch me doin' nothin'/That'll make her leave," the bit where he stretches the end of the words just like his first big single last year. in short, kinda brilliant, and taking waylonisms and bluegrass mythos into new territory, formally. the drag is that he's kind of nothing as a singer. what this almost is, is the new byrds circa 1970, or gene clark without the doom in his voice. i'm impressed, this gets over on pure aural pleasure, interaction between guitars and banjo and that great riff. greatest country rewrite of the year. dunno about his ballads, as on the last record, but he gets brett beavers to record these fine guitar textures and licks, so whether or not he leaves california with $50 and a gas card that is already maxed out and gets with that sweet girl, he's not gonna do it in actuality so just sit back and enjoy the fakeness of it all.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, did you start out referring to the very first, or the one with "Lot Of Leavin," which is the second, although it is the first that I heard (and most reviewers whom I know have mentioned it was their first also). I've come to think of him as a singing bandleader; tragic he's so handsome, or prob would have been marketed that way (leading to threadz like C/D:Dierks Bentley Band vs. Del McCoury Band, as TheLord intended). I should listen to the new, I really got to like a lot of those songs (on the second alb)the more I heard them on the radio: could've been worked to death, like others were,during out long national nightmare of '04/'05 c**y albs being milked mercilessly into early '06. But instead, they were balm between Williads.(I should listen to it, but I just got Songbird: Willie Nelson, produced and 'ccompanied by Ryan and The Cardinals, and they're doing G.Dead songs etc, so I'm goin' truckin', like the DooDah *and* the DooDoo Man [Willie and Ryan, that is])

don (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

is it well-known that dierks went to a new jersey prep school (and was a vandy fratboy)? or is that the sort of thing that surprises no one these days?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't know that, but bio says he did his homework while working at The Nashville Network (and playing in clubs, developing his sense of combo). Just listened to Songbird, and won't say too much about it, in case I review it or it starts to suck. But both seem unlikely. It's probably not a jam session, too much spot-on in the Be Here Now. Drama, but not too much. The only Dead song is "Stella Blue," which Garcia wrung so much pathos from in original, that wuss me prefers Nelson's relative reserve (still pretty intense, and Ryan keeps things from getting too subtle by injecting sustain and feedback). Also: Christine McVie's "Songbird," L.Cohen's "Hallelujah," "1000 Dollar Wedding", several by Willie, Ryan (2 new ones from each, and nothing very familiar otherwise), Harlan Howard, others.

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, Willie and Ryan each have 1 new song, not 2.

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, you guys all raced ahead of me during my long weekend in Michigan (neice's wedding as World Series opened -- fun!). I haven't even laid eyes nor hands on a copy of the new Dierks yet. (Yep, his third not his second, as Don said.) Got Kellie Pickler in the mail yesterday; listened only to a couple tracks, which struck me as disappointingly so-what, but maybe I was just in a bad mood. Edd's MG comments are pretty much right on across the board, near as I can tell. "Some People Change" the song isn't even new, I don't think (wasn't it on a Greatest Hits album that came out a year ago? And yeah, there's that Chesney version too - well, it's on his new live album anyway), but it's also easily one of the least consequential songs on the new MG album. Which is better than any other album I've heard this year by anybody in any genre, though I'm open to hearing other nominations for the title. Still not as good as their second album, just like my as-we-speak (could easily change in other words) second favorite album of this year, by the Hold Steady, isn't as good as *their* second album, but I'm not complaining. Still seems like a good year. And yeah, MG are probably my favorite band of the decade, too; I like them way more than the Ying Yang Twins, who have only album I truly love, and whose last album (well, the last album before their B-sides and remixes album, the latter of which was good if apparently incomplete judging from all the stray rare mixtape tracks Frank's always mentioning all the time) was really tedious, and their upcoming album (which is supposed to be more "serious", with Wyclef duets and stuff, not that I hate Wyclef or anything, but still) I do not have high hopes for. Okay, more later...sometime.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link

version too - well, it's on his new live album anyway

Oops, no it's not. It's on When The Sun Goes Down, and was one of the most ignorable tracks there, too. As for whose version is better, it's a tossup. Why is such a mediocre song so popular? Weird.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:35 (eighteen years ago) link

As for Chris Young, I suppose some of what Edd says about him does ring true, I admit it. Though I still find the Mexico song goofy fun (and a lot less run-of-the-mill than "Drinkin' Me Lonely," which isn't one of my favorite tracks.) Also not sure what Edd means about the production sounding "dated," though then again I never get when people make that complaint about music. If it's good, it's good. And like I said, to me it just sounds like a 2006 pop-country album, so I'm not even sure what it would be dated to, if dated it is.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link

As for whose version is better, it's a tossup

Well, in my head right now, anyway. I should play them back to back sometime and see what happens. And yeah, I too assume MG would win.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

. If it's good, it's good.

And if it has a flat drum sound, as Edd argues, it has a flat drum sound -- Nothing old or new about flat drums. Not that I've noticed the charge applies here. (Though is Nashville production in general lass flat and undefined than it used to be? If so, maybe that's what Edd means. And he might have a point -- I'm definitely liking way more pop-country than I was 15 years ago, and production probably has plenty to do with that. Along with fewer wasted tracks, more rocking guitars, all the drummers from hard rock bands who moved south, smarter songwriting, etc. Though again, Chris Young's album still feels like 2006 to me, not 1991.) (Country CDs often do seem to sound less thin now, though part of that is probably just the nature of recording studio technology, I'm guessing.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Kelefa's review of Some People Change.

Still haven't listened to the MG alb. (At the listening post Brooke Hogan sounded surprisingly good in the background, given that her style seems modeled after the incurably blasé and bland Janet Jackson. Doesn't have a distinctive voice, but does at least have presence, and lots of pretty Storch sounds.) I've listened to relatively few albums this year, 'cause they're not coming in the mail in nearly the old quantity and anyway it's far more fun careening around YouTube than working my way through longplayers. My top albs are Marit, Paris, and Dixies, unless I want to include compilations, in which case Totally Country Vol. 5 and Crunk Hits Vol. 2 are up there. (The reason not to count the comps isn't that they're comps but that most of what's on them predates '06.) Anyway, I can easily imagine that there are ten better albums this year than my top three, but the way things are going with my "career" I'm not likely to hear them. Might vote for JoJo if I hear it again. Should relisten to the Electric Boogie Dawgz, which I got a kick out of. Gawd, if I'm struggling to reach 10 I'll even vote for last year's Electric Six (haven't heard this year's), which got its U.S. release in March. Missed my window of opportunity on Dierks at the listening party. Oh, I keep forgetting that Dylan had an album this year. Came out same time as Paris and so got overlooked in this odd neighborhood of ours. Not having heard a lick of it, I'd say it's the favorite so far to win Pazz & Jop, but that's just because no other obvious alternative candidate has stepped forward yet (at least as far as ignorant Frank knows). You guys have any opinion on Modern Times?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

for me, quickly cause I got to gather up my dad and take him for a flu shot--my dad moves slow and it's cold today--"Modern Times" works real good as music, less well as words. which is fine. I sure dig the modified memphis-groove; he went to the school of jim dickinson. it's a groove album.

i'm supposed to write about kellie pickler. my m-gentry piece, w/ interview stuff from eddie, comes out online in the n-ville scene tomorrow.

and right, don, "lotta leavin'" is on the second dierks. I think I don't even have the first one any more. "that don't make it easy lovin' me" is one of my fave songs of the year, already, quite addictive. dierks should cover gene clark's "los angeles." I have been quite into clark's "no other" and that dillard and clark album, "fantastic expedition." my buddy dave duncan keeps telling me that "f.e." is the real start of country-rock not "gilded palace," but I think it's the real start of whatever these neo-bluegrass formalists in nashville like dierks are doing.

I dunno--the drum sound on chris young just doesn't strike me as a good drum sound. and I admit it, I really didn't give chris a full chance on first few listens. he can sing. I guess I feel as though the production doesn't surround him, that it's one-dimensional. my sense is that they were trying to sell the Voice and that's it, and maybe I'm wrong.

Nashville production has gotten way better in the last few years, but as Mark Nevers and others I've been fortunate enough to pick brains of have told me, there's an ungodly amount of compression going on in the mastering of most Music Row productions. That in my opinion is what makes something like Sara Evans' records so remarkable--they don't sound all squashed down. Brett Beavers' prod of the new Dierks sounds kinda like the last one, a bit trebly and a bit bass-light. This sounds like a conscious strategy to me.

Gary Bennett's record is so good partly because R.S. Field is so good a producer. Exemplary.

Big 50 Years of Steve Cropper thing happening at the Ryman on the first, which would've been my mother's 72nd birthday. with John Anderson, B.J. Thomas, John Kay, Mark Farner, and many others. If the TJ Martell Foundation will comp me the tix they promised (they're like $150, and I did a short thing on the show for the Scene, so gimme), I'll be there. Amazing to think Cropper started playing guitar in 1956 in Memphis, and he's still going--seen him a couple times out playing recently, and even when he's kinda fucking off he's still got that sound.

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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Butt Bingo on the Dillard & Clark connection, Edd, though here it seems most evident on the last track, "Prodigal Son's Prayer," featuring the Generals (Dave Talbot on banjo, etc).This could def be on the same bill as the Del McCoury Band. (Mebbe he could do an album with them? If it worked for Earle--)Otherwise though, and despite his claims of "Band Of Brothers," it's more about the usual A-List Cats, like J.T. Corenflos, who sometimes get more to chaw on than these tunes, which I doubt will grow on me as much as the previous set did. Sad-to-solemn road-to-sitting-room songs. No route to boudoir that I can glimpse, even by tactful implication. (Of course it aint aimed at me,babe, starting with the demographic.) Just not enough candy with the flowers, which are a little dusty (silk). Could be solemn candy, that might work(for his intended audience, which might also be that of Jack Johnson, and John Mayer, when he's not so LOUD) But even Alan Jackson and George Strait know or once knew when to lighten up a little, add or 'low a little more bounce (and so did Dierks). Oh well I said the same about him before, so maybe he'll straiten me out again.

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Steve Cropper record in the 50s? Somehow I never thought to look back before Booker T. & The MGs (whom I assumed started in the 60s, but--?)

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Omigod. Trace Adkins just dropped the key on "Star Spangled Banner" into the abyss. That must have hurt.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't Crawford do some session work in the late '50s when he worked at Sun and Peacock, before moving to Stax? He's listed as guitarist on some 1958 Hank Crawford recordings, but I haven't heard them. And don't forget he played with the Mar-Keys, who pre-date the MGs.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

err, that should read "Didn't Cropper..."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Ying Yang Twins, who have only album I truly love,

...have only ONE album I etc. (aka Me and My Brother. Though maybe I should go back and listen to their debut Thug Walkin more one of these days. I also like the two remix sets My Brother and Me and USA Still United, and the side project Da Musicianz from this summer is finally growing on me, and there was a weird B-side EP I found a few years ago that was good too. So: One great album, one boring one, and a bunch of perfectly okay ones. But I still like my least favorite Montgomery Gentry album {their debut, I guess} more than my second favorite Ying Yang Twins album.)

Did anybody else notice that the new M-Gentry record has 1) really good graphics,

Weirder: The front cover of their new CD looks almost exactly the same as the back cover of their previous CD! (Maybe paintings based on the previous back cover's photographs, or something? Wacky!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Some good stuff on Alley, the second Ying Yang Twins album. Has my favorite Ying Yang Twins song as such, "Sound Off." But my greatest Ying Yang favorites are actually the guest shots they do on Lil Jon's "Get Low," Pitbull's "Bojangles," and Don Yute's "Row Da Boat," the last couple of which they totally own. The version of "Bojangles" without them and Jon is much less exciting.

But that's all off-topic.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Only slightly more on topic: Gwen Stefani yodels on her new single (streamed here - and uses brass band, and house bass, and she screws around with song form (or screws around by seeing how much form she can jettison).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Meant to say that the new Gwen single is "Wind It Up."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Some good stuff on *Alley*, the second Ying Yang Twins album

I never even knew this album existed until two days ago, when I was googling in an attempt to find out the weird audio EP (only playable in DVD players) (because mostly otherwise a DVD, as are the two outtake/remix albums) I mentioned above. It's Puttin' It In.

But yeah, way off topic. Unless you think Southern hip-hop and Ying Yangs in particular are "country" (some do, and not just Britney.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

PS) Dwight Yoakam two-disc Guitars Cadillacs etc etc etc etc reissue is about five times too much of a fairly good thing (sort of like his version of that ridiculous Funhouse box set on Rhino or something, maybe). But it does make me wish I still owned the original Oak Records EP on vinyl (probably sold in a mid '80s purge).

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

reading rob bowman on stax, I see that cropper and the royal spades did an early pre-mclemore-ave. stax/satellite single around '60 or '61, but no reference to anything earlier than that. the "50 years" thing in the upcoming show refers to when cropper began playing guitar, in '56, at messick high in memphis. really, people always say that rufus and carla's "gee whiz" invented stax, but for me it's cropper and packy axton as "mar-keys" doing "last night" that gets it well and truly going.

I guess I'm in the minority on really liking alan jackson's "like red." just about everyone I've talked to dismisses it as sterile middlebrow airbrushed krauss-i-fication, but I just find it calming and even sort of inspired pop music. rich kienzle in the new no depression really takes it to task, "navel-gazing ballads score big with Bluebird Café types or dilettantes who derive their primary world view from NPR. One suspects damn few of these folks were ever Alan Jackson fans." OK, Rich is a good writer and I see his point, but I mean I get a lot of my world view from the monthly co-op newspaper (really, a well-done publication, excellent charts and photos of soybeans in all parts of Tenn., and some good recipes, plus great info about how farmers use Science, just like Alan and Alison use the Recording Studio to Make Music That Isn't Necessarily Last Year's Crop) and have nearly gotten myself kicked out the Bluebird because it can be so fucking boring. I don't get that the record is "arty" as Kienzle maintains--it's no artier than Dwight Yoakam anytime. For my part, I'd love to hear more people in Nashville doing exactly what Krauss does on this record; to some extent, Nevers is doing it, but within the context of "indie" or whatever with Lambchop, and his new Charlie Louvin record ought to be choice. In short, I have no problem with this kind of thing at all, I suppose I have some bad old Middlebrow in me. But I seem to be just about the only person who really likes this record, which for sure makes my top ten this year.
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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I got all excited about the Charlie Louvin record; that excitement was tempered rather by hearing that the dread hand of the Costello was involved. I like EC as much as the next man, but he's generally at his worst when he's paying homage.

I bought a Charlie Louvin LP, "It Almost Felt Like Love", recently (I'd always steered clear of his solo material, assuming it just wouldn't match up). It's surprisingly fine.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"navel-gazing ballads score big with Bluebird Café types or dilettantes who derive their primary world view from NPR. One suspects damn few of these folks were ever Alan Jackson fans.

I haven't seen the whole review but that quote is maybe the most wreteched countrier-than-thou-ism I've ever read.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Rich's review makes a good point, that the record is sort of effete or attenuated; it is, sort of, and it's sort of instant nostalgia, perhaps unearned nostalgia. but I dunno about the idea of "earning" something or some way to represent reality when we're talking about art and all that. I enjoy the record, and was kidding around about How Country we can get and so forth--I mean I'm an Alan Jackson admirer, not a huge fan but he's good and I respect him and think he could exert himself even more and do better work, but he's calm and that's his thing. I'm also an NPR fan, as far as that goes, and I mean I've been quiet in the Bluebird, too. But Rich is probably right about the country audience perhaps not quite knowing what to do with this record, but Ray Charles wasn't content with his r&b audience just like everybody wants to cross over. For Rich, the record is a train wreck (his words); for me, it's a charming record that might traffic a bit in cheap emotions and calibrated forms, but seems like c.e.'s and c.f.'s are a big part of pop music in general, and they want to go pop.

Excellent: Dierks doing "Fast Lanes and Country Roads" from "She Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool," and Brad Paisley "In Times Like These," where he sounds more lowdown, a bluesman even. For that matter, the banal hackery of some of the chord changes, very J.R. and Sue Ellen-pink, that anchor "I Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool" as done by K. Chesney and R. McEntire--that's pretty fucking middlebrow and cheesy, but the version is a good one, and useful historical perspective on the bad old '80s. Haven't heard "If Loving You Is Wrong, I Don't Wanna Be Right Yet" by dirty LeAnn Rimes; that might be for my tumbler o'bourbon and smoking jacket, later tonight.

Only ringer so far I've heard on "She Was Country" is Randy Owen doing "Years," that Fogleberg quaver, bearded ass-man in doleful extremis, I don't like it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

navel-gazing ballads score big with Bluebird Café types or dilettantes who derive their primary world view from NPR. One suspects damn few of these folks were ever Alan Jackson fans.

hi dere

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post That No Depression "Like Red" review surprises me--I thought they'd be all for it. What are they really into this year? Alejandro Escovedo? For what it's worth I love the Jackson album.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

When was Alan Jackson not instant middlebrow nostalgia?? New album's the only one by him I've ever made it through without getting bored long before the record ended. And so what if I was never an Alan Jackson fan before? He's had a few good songs here and there, but dude was just never all that good, for crissakes.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, way more to the point, when has No Depression not been about instant middlebrow nostalgia itself?? I guess Kienzle's point is that Jackson is supposedly reaching for a more upscale Starbucks crowd for this album, which he may well be (though actually reaching said crowd might be a longshot), but isn't that pretty much the exact same crowd that No Depression has always aimed for? I don't get it. I also don't get how making what's more or less (at its best anyway) a Gary Allan record is any more nostalgic than the neo-traditionalism of "Chatahoochie" or "Little Man" (and Alan has almost never been as good as those two songs in his career anyway).

In possibly related news, there's a glowing full-page review of the new Dierks Bentley album, of all things, in Paste, of all places, arguing that fans of alt-country shouldn't ignore Nashville country, which Geoffrey Himes says has gotten better in the past few years (though he may he overrate Bentley's importance in that equation -- Dierks is hardly the most interesting act in Nashville, though I agree he can frequently be real good -- and Himes mentions the Wrights and Bobby Pinson but not Big & Rich or Toby Keith or Montgomery Gentry as evidence of his claim, which strikes me as somewhat odd). Nice to see the barrier being broken down, regardless.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(Though No Depression perceives itself as identifying with rowdy roadhouses, not effete coffeehouses, right? Whatever. Either way, that magazine complaining that an Alan Jackson album is too polite makes about as much sense to me as Decibel complaining that a new Meshuggah album is too metal. Or something.) (Though I dunno, if it was a Montgomery Gentry album, maybe it'd make sense? Does No Depression even review Montgomery Gentry albums yet?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago) link

no, ND doesn't do MG albums and probably never will. I think the roadhouse/NPR contrast is pretty much it. I've been to plenty of "roadhouses" or whatever down south, and I listen to NPR. When I went to Perry's Flowing Fountain on Nelson St. in blues-town Greenville, Miss., and ate the spaghetti 'n' catfish and listened to patrons get rowdy to a jukebox full of Bobby Rush, B. B. King, Latimore, et al., I didn't come out of there ready to extol the roadhouse, it's just a bar with music. And one might remember that acting as if you're having an "authentic blues experience" in a place like that and letting the patrons--in this case, very well-dressed black middle-class lawyers and so forth, with their equally dressed-up wives and girlfriends--see that in your face, that lets you in for a lot of deserved derision from them. So it's a bad habit.

A lot of what alt-country is, to me, it's just bar music, music you hear in a bar, intellectualized bar music, whatever, and having to worry about my relationship to the supposedly "authentic" or not, is wearying to me and fucks up my thinking and writing. So I don't do it, but I think ND honestly tries to get at some of that stuff and that there might well be something in the effort that I am either too rooted or not rooted enough to fully appreciate. It's just a bar--let's have a drink.

Glad to see that Himes gives country its due; by my lights, Dierks Bentley is a classic case of a pretty good artist whose overall production-design is flawed. Kinda like a pretty good and perfectly good-looking but not spectacularly beautifuly actress who never quite gets lighted the right way on set. What I find interesting about Dierks' last 2 is the utter banality of the whole thing, when you set the sometimes kind of brilliant *conception* of the *sound, playing and production* itself against the, to my ears, deflating *sententiousness* of the sentiments themselves. In other words, the whole ramblin' thing makes me urp, and the point of those records is a) the fact he's got this unruly head of curls, no hat (and MG are significant not least because Eddie wears his big hat/duster and Troy doesn't, and that's the contrast, exactly what they try to do in their music, whereas Dierks is all No Hat) b) the one great trick Brett Beavers has come up with re DB--using this four-four kick-drum stomp to ground some really interesting guitar licks by the great J.T. Corenflos and the surgically applied banjo and the occasional really cool lick as in "That Don't Make It Easy Lovin' Me," which is I think the only great song on the record, just like "Lot of Leavin'" which it rewrites was the only great one on the last one. I find the 4/4 kick a bit intrusive after a while, altho on this one the drummer often does a kind of roll suggestive of some Civil War memory or some forgotten road memory or whatever, and that adds to the whole thing. And the songs are mostly non-songs, actually, and the one where Dierks imagines an egalitarian heaven with the usual post-hobo-sentimental cast of characters, is downright fulsome. Plus, as on "Modern Day Drift," the production itself is wrong, both these records sound like they were just digitally moved around and flattened out, they lack depth. Too compressed. And that's what I find mystifying about country music and some of the writing about it, why not talk about the record as artifice and get into why they sound the way they do? As on Jackson or as on MG, which sounds fucking great. I kind of wish they'd work on their harmonies a bit more, or do something with background voices that wasn't just using some gospel choir, which has become just as much empty signifier as mariachi horns in country music.

Anyway, Dierks just needs a new producer, and god forgive me, but he needs to record somewhere else than Nashville, perhaps. It's obvious that Brett Beavers (who cowrites nearly every song on the record w/ Dierks and one/two others) has created this sound that is supposed to go with a ramblin' persona, and it half-works. And that songs are written piecemeal and by committee to fit into that sound. I'll stop here: Dierks, to my mind, isn't all that interesting as a person or a "star," but the whole process by which he makes records is real interesting and indicative of what can be wrong with how they make records on Music Row these days. And that most of the records made around here sound fucking great.

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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

For what it's worth, Himes and Paste are a bit behind ND. Barry Mazor did a big feature on Dierks in the magazine issues ago, so let's not start again with the ND strawman. We covered that pretty well last year, and it was clear that most of the folks opining on what ND stands for and covers couldn't be bothered to pick up a recent issue.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rich quote is a parody, rat? Gotta be--as xhuxx says, not like AJ was some rowdystential heerow before AK got her girly hooks in his jeans. And seems like (hope I'm wrong, but can't stand the thought of listening to his new album again tonight) we're all being too girly nice to Dierks at this point. Not like his bios haven't emphasized that he studied country hard, in school, at work (The Nashville Network), and On The Road, which he now invokes every other line. Not like he just fell off the turnip truck, pathetically grateful for whatever the TrashVegans ram up his innocent tushie. So, he's gotta restore the quality control, songwise (shitshining's all in a day's work for Corenflos etc., but not for meee)

don (dow), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

All of a sudden, everyone wants to work with Alison Krauss, who's sort of the country version of DJ Premier
--Tom Breihan in The Village Voice

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 28 October 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Finally got a shot at the MG listening party, may be too busy to get a second before it drops off. Favorite song by far is "Hey Country," which sounds as if it could be a Warrant song (in fact, might be better as a Warrant song). Liking the sound overall but thinking the melodies don't quite take me over that big tent they're invoking. "Your Tears Are Coming" and "Redder That That" rocked me nicely. But so far during listen numero uno nothing hit me nearly as hard as "Cold One Comin' On" and "Free Fall." To really work, the "Fast Lane" one should have sounded more like "Life in the..." (though it's a good little rouser). Most intriguing is "Clouds," 'cause Eddie's deliberately singing way above his range, to convey strain and reach, I'd guess.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 October 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank, I sent you a copy of the MG CD; you'll have it shortly. (I figured it must've arrived there already, but apparently not.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 29 October 2006 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, "Clouds" is good, I like about half of it, as said above, but c'mon (for instance), "Slow Ride In A Fast Lane"? They're not even trying. What's next, "Cat Scratch Highway"? (Okay, I'd like to hear that). Dixie Chicks sounding very strong with current material, on VH-1 Storytellers right now. (Cool if Krauss and Lari White are vanguard of a new wave of female producers in mainstream country. Lari's got more varied background, so she may get more work, eventually, but of course AK may have more clout as a more hitmaking/-having artist and bandleader and producer of her own stuff, if she does that; I haven't paid that much attention to her own albums)

don (dow), Sunday, 29 October 2006 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I sent you a copy of the MG CD

Oh, good, then I can snatch some time to listen to the Brooke Hogan instead (not a distinctive voice, but for r&b riffiness and catchiness she beats a lot of more distinctive singers, e.g. her producer's gf Janet Jackson).

(Haven't visited the PO in a couple of days; the package with the Mandrell trib arrived, as has the one with the Alan Jackson and the Cornerstone mixes. A couple of mix CDs are on their way to you.)

"Redder That That" - "Redder Than That"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 October 2006 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(Ah, Xhuxk, see that you got the mix CDs. What do you think of the Teddy Thompson? He's the Richard/Linda kiddie, right? He actually sounds straight-up classic country on this, delivering the very funny words straight, no mugging. Song - "Psycho" - is by Leon Payne, don't know if he did the original (a quick glance at Google finds a '68 version by Eddie Noack).)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 October 2006 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say the Teddy Thompson song is a good obsessive and somewhat interminable drone of a folk song (doesn't he murder his girlfriend in it or something? I dunno, I don't remember ever having heard the original, though didn't some '60s Back From The Grave level garage punks used to cover that too?), but I wish Teddy had his dad's voice, not to mention his dad's guitars. Still, it's good track; I enjoyed it. ("Country" didn't cross my mind when hearing that track, though. Which isn't to say one couldn't classify it as such.)

Wasn't the MG album I sent in the same package as the Mandrell one? Weird. I only sent you two packages; should've been in one of those! Unless for some ridiculous reason I forgot to put in in the envelope.

Went back and listened to the MG album yesterday, after Don's and Frank's skepticism about it on this thread, and it's as great as I thought. Only song I could live without is "If You Wanna Keep An Angel," I think. I'll concede that there may not be a "Cold One Comin' On" on here, but who cares -- "Hey Country" (with that cool Stooges chord progression or whatever it is at the start! Though okay, the "lookit that cowboy hat" Alan Jackson reference gets on my nerves, though I think it's supposed to be a joke), "Lucky Man," "Takes All Kinds," "Your Tears Are Comin" (= "96 Tears"/"Who's Crying Now"), "Clouds" (which I didn't get, I admit, til everybody started loving it here), "Twenty Years On" (has any act ever sung better about not getting along with their dads? Probably, but these guys are way up there), "What Do Ya Think About That," "Redder Than That" (great high school reunion song, the "red" stuff is just extraneous gravy), "A Man's Job," and "Free Life in the Fast Lane" all kick my ass. The latter always makes me think of that South Park movie song about "Freedom Isn't Free" more than it makes me think of the Eagles, but damn does it rock -- what's really hitting me about this record is how southern-rock-*expansive* so much of its music sounds; they really sound like a *band* these days. Which I guess maybe they always did, but that doesn't mean I can't be surprised when it happens again (and maybe more). Also, the spoken word sections in I think "Free Ride In the Fast Lane" and especially "Twenty Years On" (I *think* those are the tracks they're in) blow me away every time. And these guys have never sounded as open-hearted and even *happy* as they do on this record (happy even if life does give them a pound of pain for every ounce of pleasure or whatever it is they say); they've never made as many jokes, and the jokes can be really funny! Anyway, the moral platitudes they spout (or remember their dads spouting, usually) are just one very small part of the mix. And nobody else in music now rocks with a comparable immediacy. In my book, it's still the album of the year.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 30 October 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Three songs into the Kelly Pickler streamed on this week's AOL Listening Party. Quite enjoyable bubble country. Likes to buy shoes, but is irritated by TV ads that promise too much.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 30 October 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(No MG in either package.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 30 October 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Kellie Pickler, that is (ie not y). A great name for a country singer, no matter how you spell it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 30 October 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

yep, ND did a good Dierks piece a while back, and in the new issue Vince Gill's new 'un gets a nice piece of writing. Dierks is like Waylon cyrogenically enhanced with the tofu-chicken-fat of the sessioneers playing on the record; play this one in the changer with the Byrds' "Ballad of Easy Rider" (later shit where they really turned vocals into velveeta spread a la McGuinn's "folkie roots" and added C. White's gtr., the latter which makes it all not velveeta, just like J.T. on Dierks. Non-country fan opinion of this one: "I still can't tell him apart from Gary Allan or whoever as a singer, but the producer is just wringing every ounce of interest from these sort of undeveloped songs, the drummer is killin' it. And the single ('Every Mile a Memory') is great.")

And the MG record, I guess the whole thing works fine as "album" and as a canny reinterp of their *own* image. Still bad-ass but adding some backstory and their own songs which of course derive from all their hard-earned experience to the mix; and I kind of am nonplussed by the spoken-word shit except on "Hey Country" where the duo show a nice feel for the dumb-ass enthusiasm of southern stoners. But I mean they're pop pros (them, their producers, and their songwriters) and it's indeed post-Big & Rich in Nashville. They're one of the few big acts to even try to do the same thing, right? So in the end I think "Clouds" is pretty much a dog, "Redder Than That" is a great idea (right, the redneckery is just a red herring) but isn't quite there. I'm forever a skeptic about Nashville songwriting and a lot of this just seems *almost* real good but almost always too...banal, or something like that. But it's high-grade and you definitely have to enter their universe and all that. (I mean, hearing "Some People Change" on the radio around here, they're promoting the shit out of the record on radio, MG tailgate parties, Meet Us in Lexington, Kentucky, "rednecking and ready to have a good time," and you do get a sense of how ambitious they are, with that single, which I think ultimately gets over on that big chorus of Many Colors on the last "SOME PEOPLE CHANGE," and you think, that's what good about country music--the people.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Some people do change, and now more people want to change, or want a surrogate to do it, so might be a good last minute add, as theme song,to the campaign of some hopeful Democrat (or Republican newbie, with not too much baggage). Abd I'm glad for them if they made it out of the halfway house, although (it's probly all just part of the writing factory's five year plan and)I liked 'em better there, re the struggling-to-and vs.-change conflict.This just seems too self-congratz, not quite ersatz but not celebratory enough, when it comes to big thrills. Some people need to change some more, but I'll listen some again (I guess, but there's a lot of other stuff to listen to). About half good, still.

don (dow), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and Kellie, whom I never saw on American Idol or whatever it was, was later a seeming natural with the sunny whacky charm on Tonight Show, doing interviews with celebs on the red carpet, entering some stupid Event. She engaged them with her own ditz, then played straight man/appreciative audience to their tiny bursts of buggy response. Would be interesting to see how her album is. (Reba is U*S*A* Woman Warrior [Navy, but they got Navy on the ground in Afghanistan now, running low on Army and Marines], in new video. She's plausibly stern, [a little old, still,they're running low etc], but duet partner Vince Gill sounds and especially looks way too puddin' for this)

don (dow), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

and speaking of female producers in Nashville: was Pam Tillis the first? or at least the first to have significant hits? she's playing here next week. I'm kinda psyched 'cause I've never seen her.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been getting the idea that the Kellie Pickler album is front- loaded: i.e. big dropoff after the first four tracks. But I could be wrong. So far my favorite track is probably "Things That Never Cross A Man's Mind" (though "Didn't Know How Much I Loved You" starts out in Leann Rimes r&b-pop territory); least favorite so far is probably either "Small Town Girl" (for roteness) or "My Angel" (for sap).

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

My Pickler post was three songs in and I kept losing interest afterwards (was giving it the bkgd treatment anyway), so you're probably right about the sudden dropoff, though I ought to try and give it a second spin before AOL takes it down. (They're also streaming Willie Nelson's Songbird, which I've got on promo; Lady Sov., and I'll admit her voice is too samey but I might still end up voting for it if I've got an album shortage; the Pitbull which we talk about on the hip-hop thread; the Borat, which I think is actually very good (being quasi-Asian it has twice the twang of new country); and the Kevin Federline, which is neither a disgrace nor a joke but on the evidence of the first four songs is too hard and slow in its moods.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Roy, there's a discussion of the (apparently few) precedents in female mainstream country production, at Lari's website (think it's just lariwhite.com, been a while since I was there; Bonnie Guitar is the earliest cited, and she's also quoted. Gail Davies also mentioned) Yeah, and Pam also toured with that all-studio/session-star, all-women band, Pretty Good For A Girl (wonder if they ever got to record without backing Pam or anyone else?) And I'll take this opp to mention that PGFAG incl my University Of AL/T classmate, Alison Prestwood, whose bass had no prob jumping out of a bigass jazz band te very first time I heard her ("Who's THAT!?"), and certainly no prob with many fine Nashville albums (also incl degrees of fine shitshining, but all in a day's work, as noted re Corenflos & Co. on new Dierks)Frank: more on Borat, please!

don (dow), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Pretty Good For A Girl was also a very good stage/road band, as seen w) Pam on Nashville Network, and early CMT, I think it was.

don (dow), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Taylor Swift sells 40,000 in her first week. The Montgomery Gentry sells 37,000.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Taylor Swift boated again! (Even if her big dull song is "Tim McGraw," who may run for the Senate as a Democrat, but then again, in an ad for Flicka, he looks like W.)

don (dow), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't really listened to pickler yet. but, did attend to new keith urban and new sugarland. I think urban's is the stronger--he even covers a song by obscure billy nicholls, a brit pop guy who was on immediate label in '60s and released a nice sort of lite-pop album in mid-'70s called "love songs." in fact, urban's "love, pain" is a turn on that very kind of music, and I sometimes am good: taking my notes I wrote down "billy nicholls," since I've been listening to his stuff lately, and damned if the liners didn't list nicholls as the writer of "can't stop loving you." anyway, this record is a gloss on that whole jimmy miller/paul buckmaster '70s production style, right down the the strings and the rather leisurely but totally packed song structres. "faster car" is a great piece of post-skinny-tie powerpop, there are hints of tom petty in there, and plenty of pretty fine guitar. the songs are mainly about what a well-meaning guy he is and how hard it is to keep love together when you're a celebrity. obv. some written for/to nicole. what's really good about the record is just how rich it is, how ambitious--the mean time of these 13 trax is around 4:30, and the opening track goes on for just under 6 minutes. very good indeed.

I like sugarland almost as well--maybe it isn't quite as strong as the first record, but it's ingenious and I suppose "folk-rock" as opposed to british pop. many songs about small towns, one great one about how mean girls grow up into noxious bitches, and jennifer nettles' voice is huge, cutting and, to my ears, sometimes near panic. which is really their theme, panic at moving to the city or back to the small town, and they seem caught in between. but the music is bright and chewy and all that. I dunno, I give it a B+.

saw recently: john anderson sing "seminole wind" and "swingin'" with a band including steve cropper and a big horn section. amazing. he's a great singer, the real fucking thing. also saw t. graham brown, all jolly and round and with a beer in hand, prowling around the stage (this at the ryman--a tribute to cropper for charity) doing his r&b country stuff. great, as well. tanya tucker was there, mark farner did a great "closer to home/i'm your captain," and john kay did "sookie sookie," which cropper and don covay wrote. it was a great show, with james burton and cropper playing guitar and many other guests including delbert mcclinton. but robben ford stole the show: one of the greatest fucking displays of guitar savvy i have ever seen, just mind-blowing. I mean, james burton was standing there looking at robben ford and his face said, "i got to go home."

last night, a bunch of muscle shoals guys got together to back songwriter donnie fritts. fritts can't sing a lick but it was still great, he's got presence, and the musicians were just superb--david hood, spooner oldham, like that. fritts did his "damn good country song" he wrote for jerry lee, delbert mcclinton showed up again and they did a texas blues that killed. the two shows were like a history of country rubbing up against black/white soul in memphis/shoals/nashville.

and, rip, buddy killen. I was gonna say, time to pull out my joe tex stuff, but it's already out.

Wally, my cat, died yesterday, he got diagnosed with heart disease on monday and he went downhill from there, he'd been acting strangely for a few days and finally it got worrisome. he was only 7, and, you know, a great little guy I was attached to, had him since he was born.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry about Wally, that's really a shame. I was browsing through Buddy K's autobio at the library last week: some good anecdotes and other insider info, discreet but not too. He describes how Joe Tex gradually got totally strung out on the write-record-tour cycle, and other things, and how early-teen Dolly Parton would come all the way to Nville from Butcher Holler (her uncle drove her), and be so exhausted from writing and demo sessions, could barely make it back to the car before passing out. In today's obit, she talks about how much he meant to her (Chet Atkins had recorded her even earlier, and I think released a single, but sent her home, said she wasn't ready for der Process). Great that Cropper got such a trib while still alive, and that it was good (heard a broadcast chunk of the now- deceased John Hartford's trib, with him in attendence, but it sucked). Also good about Keith, esp room for guitar. Saw video for B&R's ""8th of November" today, was reminded that it's not chest-thumping, but ambush and last-minute rescue, with the fiddle casting about in hazy soundscape. Will be just as appropriate on upcoming 8th, and the next, no matter who wins (in Congress, or elewhere)

don (dow), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Dierks sings better than Waylon. New album is a really good concept album obviously designed to sound best on a long car trip, best tracks seemingly being "Trying To Stop Your Leaving" and "That Don't Make It Easy Loving Me," which is probably what Edd said up above, though I didn't check just now. Bluegrass closer with the Grascals seems somewhat gratituous but still nice (and livelier than anything I've noticed so far on the new Nickel Creek best-of album -- I'm starting to think I kind of hate that band; they're so introverted it drives me crazy). "Band of Brothers" is B-grade Toby Keith, more or less, but I like it anyway. Excellently onamatopeic or however you spell it use of open space in "Long Trip Alone." "The Heaven I'm Headed To," which Himes lauded as being very philosophically un-Nashville (i.e., prostitutes and renegades can go to heaven too etc) in his Paste review, doesn't really say anything that Big N Rich on their debut (and conceivably Brooks N Dunn, on Red Dirt Road) haven't said before, but that's nothing to hold against it. Anyway, Dierks has a great niche. Free and easy, down the road he goes.

That's a good band on Stereophonic Musical Listenings That Have Been Origin In Moving Film Borat; not clear to me how literal their ripoff/appropriations of Middle Eastern European (or whatever) pop are (for all I know it could just secretly be like one of those Sublime Frequencies albums where the music is all stolen from found cassette tapes) (the "credits" on the CD cover are in real or fake Kazakh, ha ha), but the actual music balances out "In My Country There Is a Problem (Throw The Jew Down The Well)" and "You Be My Wife" (rhymes with "we'll make love whenever I like") appropriately.

The guy in the Country Teasers sings as bad as Borat or Waylon, I've decided. His flatness reminded me of Mark E Smith on Full Moon Empty Sports Bag a couple years ago, but on The Empire Strikes Back: Race And Racism In 70s Britain (almost as good a subtitle as the Borat album!) the shtick's really starting to wear thin for me. If anybody wants to convince me otherwise, I'll listen.

"O Kazakhastan" on Borat's album is on now. It'd fit right in on the new Laibach album Volk, which is their renditions of national anthems from the world over. Maybe they read what Frank wrote about Rammstein making a folk move upthread, and decided to one-up them?

Now Dierks is claiming every mile is a memory. His road shtick could easily wear thin too. But probably not until next album, at least.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anybody heard the new Lee Ann Womack? Due out 11/21. I just listened to the single on her myspace page. Did Jack Johnson produce this thing or just play the bongos? I think I hate it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Nickel Creek come out of the prayer closet on Why Should The Fire Die see my groovy review archived at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

don (dow), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, did the Silos always sound as bland as they are on their new album? I don't remember ever listening to them before, but I vaguely recall people convincing me over the years that I might like them. But I can't tell if the band has just gone downhill, or if they were always bores to begin with. Explanations would be appreciated.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Christgau suggests downhill, maybe:

http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=silos

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi yall, I'm reading the latest Music Issue of Oxford American at the Lieberry; somebody stole the CD natch, but seems like mostly good readin', past Roy Blount Jr.'s ramblin whine (which is also qualified in so many places he don't like Bob Dylan, feels implicitly looked down upon for this brave, Politically Incorrect Southern White Male stance, but then again he will concede that Dylan is good at this and that; mainly is offended atillin' Dylan's looseness with words, not like sweet succinct Roy, of course)(which reminds me of one of the better pieces: Bill F-W on logocentrism, beginning with music crits' tendency to review the lyric sheet [anecdote from his time as editor at "an alternative Nashville weekly"], and how he himself avoided writing about instrumentals, ahd how he kind of got past logocentrism in some respects. but I won't tell you the ending. it's pretty cool)Some other goodies too.

don (dow), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The Silos albums have alway been spotty, but a collection of singles or choice cuts would be a thing of beauty. Haven't listened to the new one yet. I can't imagine anyone hearing their version of Michael Hall's "Let's Take Some Drugs and Drive Around" and thinking they're always bores.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

about that oxford american cd, most of its kind of not worth it, but i keep foretting how jeanne c riley is worth it, and her photo in the magazine is so iconic, so yeah, her some words, naems, faces, is worth paying a few bucks for.

i took out the charley patton collection out of the library, and was kind of disappointed, ive listened to alot of country and blues from the 20s and 30s, well maybe not alot, but enough, and hes good, very good, but i dont know people like uncle dave macon, strike me as much better...

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Some potentially intriguing songs to talk about that got played on country radio stations last week, according to mediabase (some of them, i haven't heard and maybe i should and wonder if anybody else did; some of them, the bands just have cool names though i never heard of them before; some of them, same for the song titles; some of them are non-country acts and/or alt-country acts; some of them are just songs i like i lot that it's nice to know i'm not the only one who thinks so; some of them might conceivably be dead boys or foreigner covers but probably not; and isn't Sonny Burgess, like, some old '50s rockabilly guy who used to play major league baseball? Or am I confusing him with somebody?) anyway, here goes:

lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move
39 38 KEITH ANDERSON Podunk 513 427 86 2.836
66 ENNIS SISTERS Holding On 66 0 66 0.152
92 75 JOHN MELLENCAMP Our Country 21 15 6 0.274
87 79 BOB SEGER Wait For Me 25 22 3 0.308
72 80 POVERTYNECK HILLBILLIES Mr. Right Now 32 38 -6 0.239
116 101 BOB SEGER Real Mean Bottle (f/... 8 5 3 0.051
162 106 FABULOUS GUNSLINGERS She Rode The Bull 8 3 5 0.115
124 110 BOMSHEL Bomshel Stomp 15 14 1 0.087
117 SUGARLAND Mean Girls 5 0 5 0.160
146 122 NOMAD Meet Me At Midnight 6 4 2 0.080
109 126 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Hey Country 7 8 -1 0.090
128 SUGARLAND Sugarland 5 0 5 0.151
169 138 NO JUSTICE Bend But Don't Break 9 6 3 0.034
189 151 DANIELLE PECK Sucks To Be You 10 5 5 0.048
277 160 KAREN PECK & NEW RIVER Hold Me While I Cry 5 2 3 0.083
145 166 BILLY RAY CYRUS I Want My Mullet Bac... 5 6 -1 0.033
243 170 KENNY CHESNEY Please Come To Bosto... 5 2 3 0.044
176 171 SHOOTER JENNINGS Gone To Carolina 5 4 1 0.018
173 172 TYLER DEAN Built For Blue Jeans 5 5 0 0.032
149 174 JASON ALLEN Kickapoo Creek 5 5 0 0.019
224 183 LANTANA Country As A City Gi... 4 3 1 0.018
223 190 NO JUSTICE Red Dress 4 3 1 0.015
194 COODER GRAW Lifetime Stand 2 0 2 0.018
179 202 SPUR 503 Into You 5 5 0 0.023
168 207 GREAT DIVIDE Crazy In California 6 7 -1 0.024
209 LOST TRAILERS Gravy 3 0 3 0.023
306 219 BIG & RICH Jalapeno 2 1 1 0.010
222 JASON BROWN Touchdown 9 0 9 0.026
225 STONEY LARUE Down In Flames 1 0 1 0.016
240 RODNEY ATKINS Cleaning This Gun (C... 1 0 1 0.004
427 241 SONNY BURGESS A Little Bit Stronge... 3 1 2 0.012*
221 248 SHOOTER JENNINGS Some Rowdy Women 3 3 0 0.009
249 CLEDUS T. JUDD Bake Me A Country Ha... 2 0 2 0.014
227 250 RYAN SHUPE & THE RUBBERBAND Banjo Boy 2 2 0 0.004
260 DAN BERN Trudy 1 0 1 0.008
232 265 TRACE ADKINS Feels Like The First... 1 1 0 0.008
197 266 DOO-WAH RIDERS Dear Beer 4 6 -2 0.004
131 269 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Redder Than That 1 6 -5 0.004
105 270 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Takes All Kinds 1 9 -8 0.024
277 LITTLE BIG TOWN Bones 1 0 1 0.023
291 GRETCHEN WILSON Heaven Help Me 2 0 2 0.021
292 DR. ELMO Redneck Dracula 2 0 2 0.005
296 JIMMY BUFFETT Reggabilly Hill 1 0 1 0.029
304 POVERTYNECK HILLBILLIES One Night In New Orl... 1 0 1 0.008
311 GREENCARDS The Ghost Of Who We ... 1 0 1 0.007
402 324 ELEVEN HUNDRED SPRINGS Why You Been Gone So... 2 1 1 0.009
332 BAKER GIRLS My Kind Of Living 1 0 1 0.005
127 339 BLAINE LARSEN Baby Don't Get Hooke... 1 6 -5 0.005
344 SHOOTER JENNINGS Little White Lines 1 0 1 0.005
359 WELL HUNGARIANS Diamonds And Love 1 0 1 0.005
360 MIRANDA LAMBERT Crazy Ex-Girlfriend 1 0 1 0.004
362 WEIRD AL YANKOVIC White And Nerdy 1 0 1 0.003
213 380 COWBOY TROY Somebody's Smilin' O... 1 2 -1 0.002
388 BROOKLYN TABERNACLE CHOIR I'm Amazed 1 0 1 0.011
400 CHARLIE DANIELS BAND The Intimidator 2 0 2 0.005
403 BOMSHEL Power Of One 1 0 1 0.011
404 BOMSHEL Oh, Baby 1 0 1 0.011
407 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Git-R-Done 1 0 1 0.009
406 435 PEAR RATZ Just South Of The Nu... 1 1 0 0.004
298 447 MARK KNOPFLER/EMMYLOU HARRIS This Is Us 1 2 -1 0.001
256 451 HOGG MAULIES Goodnight 1 2 -1 0.004
178 452 DARREN KOZELSKY Messed Up In Love 1 3 -2 0.004
457 BE GOOD TANYAS When Doves Cry 1 0 1 0.001
461 WOODY HARRELSON/JOHN C. RILEY Whoop-I-Ti-Yi-Yo 1 0 1 0.003
467 CARRIE RODRIQUEZ 50's French Movie 1 0 1 0.001
468 SOLOMON BURKE You're The Kind Of T... 1 0 1 0.001
340 478 TODD SNIDER Looking For A Job 1 1 0 0.001
252 480 KASEY CHAMBERS Nothing At All 1 1 0 0.001

Best new band names: Nomad, Cooder Graw, Doo-Wah Riders, Greencards, Dr. Elmo, Well Hungarians, Pear Ratz, and Darren Kozelsky if and only if his song has a polka rhythm.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

(And Hogg Maulies! Can't forget Hogg Maulies when it comes to cool names!) (And Lantana is pretty good too, come to think of it.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

And Fabulous Gunslingers. Really, one of the neat things about that list is that there seem to be so many actual self-contained per se' bands on there, though no doubt some of the acts whose names sound like bands actually aren't. (The Randy Rogers Band, Reckless Kelly, and Warren Brothers all had songs that got some airplay, too.) (Old Crow Medicine show didn't, interestingly enough, though that may just be because their new album, as far as I could tell from the few songs I got through on it, pretty much stinks bigtime.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, re Dierks: Modern Day Drifter > Long Trip Alone (which has nothing as perfect as "Lot Of Leaving Left To Do" on it) > Dierks Bentley (which is still definitely worth owning).

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Article on Music Row's long drool over Latino market:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_bi_ge/hispanics_country_music

"I do think a huge portion of the Latin American population loves the same themes: meetin', greetin', cheatin' and retreatin,'" said Eddie Wright-Rios, a Vanderbilt University professor who specializes in the cultural history of modern Mexico.

Where to begin? And the Jeff Walker quote about tapping into the market...No hay negocio como el show.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ushcma.org/index.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link



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The power of Latin Country music is that it reaches all people regardless of race, language or ethnicity. The U.S. Hispanic Country Music Association is devoted to uniting Country music artists, musicians, songwriters and fans for the purpose of celebrating Country music in its authentic and universal form – whether in English, Spanish or a fusion of both languages. Together, Latin Country music is the bridge that unites Country music enthusiasts everywhere while acknowledging and appreciating the beautiful and rich Latin cultural influence in Country music.


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xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

is there a country award at the latin grammies?

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a rich list chuck posts above, and I've heard good things about the povertyneck hillbillies.

kinda really liking the new darryl worley, which starts off with a great kiss-off to his old label and the n-ville establishment, and ends with one of the better iraq-war songs by any country artist, "I just came back from a war," which strikes me as very no-bullshit and real. I guess he does for blooze-country what dierks b. does for meta-grass outlawisms. I need another listen but so far, so really good.

haven't heard the womack yet.

great old stuff: ray price's "night life" and "marty [robbins] after midnight." got 'em burned on one CD, and enjoying them mightily, just smooth as hell, I mean marty does great by shit like "september in the rain" and ray seems to know plenty about "bright lights and blonde haired women." just the kind of thing I need right now.

and the stereo mixes of gene clark's one truly great and essential record, "with the gosdin brothers."

finally, anyone else know the beau brummels' '69 recorded-in-nashville "bradley's barn"? a fine record that really brings san francisco into mt. juliet, actually, and full of unexpected touches. very even-handed, a good version of the everly brothers song "turn around." a real lost moment of a real gone era, and just impeccable sound.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

gene clark's one truly great and essential record, "with the gosdin brothers."

ooo, I beg to differ. The reissue of "White Light" with the bonus tracks is also great and essential.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Latin Country music is an entirely new musical genre

wtf

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

So Toby's (exemplifying the brand new trend of!) Latin Country, eh? Can see the melodic melancholy, exuberance and macho fitting nicely into my gringo gleanings of "Latin", but I wonder what a Hispanic person might think of "Stays In Mexico"? Anthony, have you heard Charley Patton's box set, Screamin' & Hollerin' The Blues? Pretty damned astounding, but seems to have more to do with the ancestory of rock, even metal, than country, cos, even or especially working solo, he swings like a wrecking ball. Was always a source of contention among blues aficianados in the 50s/60s, it seems (Bobby D. caught Dave Van Ronk's attention by singing Patton back when/where that was def a minority taste, risky for newbie, especially one already getting rejected at audition because "You sound like a hillbilly. We want folksingers here.")

don (dow), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

is there a country award at the latin grammies?

Nah. I'm guessing that Country music probably needs the Hispanic demographic in the future more than vice versa (which isn't to deny it would be cool if Latin and Country really did find common ground.)

I was wrong about Kellie Pickler's album -- the second half (esp the proggily souped-up California-rock ballad "I Wonder," "Wild Ponies" with its waltz chorus melody that sounds like a bubblegum version of "Wild Horse" by the Stones just like the title says, "Small Town Girl" which I underrated, "Girls Like Me" where she smells the Magnolia trees and remembers kissing football stars) is every bit as much fun as the first half. And lots of it (esp "One Of The Guys" and "Gotta Keep Moving," which I swear starts out echoing "Roll On Down The Highway" by BTO) sure does boogie hard for bubble-country. Plus, at least three songs ("Red High Heels, "Things That Never Cross A Man's Mind," "One Of The Guys") refer to clothes and/or getting dressed and/or going shopping. "I Wonder" seems to maybe be a confessional-teen-pop-style dealing with abandonment by dad song, but maybe I'm hearing it wrong. "I'm On My Way" might be about her dad, too. And I agree -- "Pickler" is a great country singer name.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

And yeah, Charley Patton is great. Way more fun than Robert Johnson, anyday. (Though I agree - if Uncle Dave Macon's repertoire is all as catchy as the handful of songs I've heard, I might take him over Charley, though I've never really thought of them as the same genre, like Don says. Hell, "Shake It And Break It" is practically funk!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And I was probably wrong about Nickel Creek's best-of CD, too. They have melodies, very pretty ones. And probably rhythms, and maybe words. What's intovereted are the voices, and not all the time. Probably the trick is to think of it as a jazz record, or something.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

introverted. (as it were.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Or really, the intoversion is in the tempos. They are one slow fucking band, usually. And the girl, especially, frequently tends to barely open her mouth, Chan Marshall style almost. I find this maddening, infuriating even. But what they seem to do sometimes is work up a slow drone, build and build, and let the harmonies emerge out of that. Very pretty, and closer to Fairport Convention (if not really, um, all that close to Fairport Convention) than to country. And I don't get the idea they do that very often, but sometimes they hint at it. Jam band fans like these guys, if I remember right, but I can't think of many jam bands who are ever this pretty. There's something intricate going on, but it's still fairly pop. At any rate, the CD's starting to sound okay. At least temporarily. Maybe eventually individual songs will start to kick in.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, they also do a really shitty verion of "Subterranean Homesick Blues" (he does it as a irritating blabbermouth rap a la Anthony Keidis) in the middle of "The Fox". (And despite the draggy tempos, there can be energy in the fiddle and mandolin or whatever. But even when they do pick up steam, they never seem to make the music dance. And compared to, say, the Duhks -- whose 2006 CD was kinda bleh -- or Donna the Buffalo, they seem really antiseptic. And it's not like the Duhks or Donna are rolling in mud themselves.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And ha, I just noticed that Geoffrey Himes has a full-page piece in today's Times arts section about all the new young string bands like the Duhks, Mammals, Old Crow Medicine Show, etc (also Uncle Earl, who I never heard of before). None of whom rock half as much as he pretends (though the quote from Ruth Ungar of the Mammals that says "the difference between Old Crow Medicine Show and Sufjan Stevens isn't all that great" might unintentionally hit the nail on the head about how non-rocking they tend to be), but it's still nice to seem them getting space I suppose. (But why no Donna the Buffalo?) (And why no Duhks + Mammals = Platypi jokes, for that matter?) (Though Uncle Dave Macon does get a mention, oddly enough.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

What's weird is that Nickel Creek's female member, Sara Watkins, might actually have the strongest singing voice in the band when she actually uses it, but she seems to hold it in check way more often. The guy with the lonesome ethereal fasetto -- That's Chris Thile, right? Anyway, the songs the falsetto guy sings tend to be the prettiest. I think. Also, the liner notes claim they're fans of Pat Metheny, Brad Mehldau, and Radiohead, so that explains a lot I guess.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard "I Wonder" but you're probably right--one of the bio facts pushed on Amer Idol was that Kellie Pickler's father was in prison.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been listening to Chris Thile's latest solo album "How To Grow a Woman From the Ground" and I like it, but mostly as background music so far. I'll have to pay more attention to the singing.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

a few more things about nickel creek: (1) if they do drone, which i may merely have imagined i'm still not sure, they don't drone nearly enough; they're too jittery and impatient for repetition, maybe. (2) i'm pretty sure their catchiest track is "the smoothie song," which is an instrumental, which is not a good sign. (3) their pavement cover did not make the best-of CD. (4) overall i'd say that, despite being clearly ambitious in some ways, their actual execution is boring in a fairly indie-rock way -- so yeah, sufjan is probably a real good comparison, actually. (5) despite frequently being pretty, they're rarely if ever beautiful. (6) i give up. but nobody can say i didn't try. maybe i'll try again someday, who knows?

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

what xgau (who got more out of the lyrics than i ever have and still gave them a c+) said:

http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=nickel+creek

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Uncle Dave, whom I love, is like Charley Patton in a way: they were the weird strong older guys from a little further out (in the country, and otherwise), the solidity and mercurial"roots" resurcefulness needed to respond to the ch-ch-changes of the New South (they were also both travelling businessmen who owned new suits and automobiles,etc.: citizens of the New South, of course, though they did it Their Ways, which was the point)Great stuff about him in Robert Palmer's Deep Blues, which I've been re-reading. Xhuxk, your take on NC is reasonable and I haven't heard the Best Of, which may well overemph tracks from This Side, but! Please check this, anybody who thinks anything about 'em, pos or neg: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html/ (if doesn't work, ck the Oct. 05 archive link, on homepage, but this URL should work)

don (dow), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the best country album of this year BY FAR is Intocable's Cruce de Caminos a.k.a. Crossroads; all in Spanish yes, but 100% domestically-produced (they are from Texas), beautiful songs, impeccably produced, they all ride horses into the city on the cover -- even the really fat guy in the band, shouldn't he be riding an ox like Mongo? -- and that is exactly what the album sounds like.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

well doodoo---maybe it's the html thing, but yeah just go to http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com and look just to the right of the latest post's title, and you'll see the link for the 10/2005 archive.

don (dow), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

where does one perhaps request "crossroads"?

I dunno, charley patton always struck me as the real essential delta blues guy, pre-war. he had the rhythmic thing down, he is really funky and rocking, and robert johnson sounds affected by comparison. steve calt's bio of patton could scarcely be improved upon. the thing is, what world was uncle dave macon living in? he was farming and so forth, owned his own land or what? patton, though, what did he own? he lived a tough life--that would seem the big difference, that and patton's music seemed to reach forward and uncle dave macon was a relic of the past--not that there's anything wrong with that, but seems to me the diff between "rock and roll" and, you know, that opry shit. which is of course is slightly unfair to the opry, but it makes me feel good to put it that way. I like all that old weird country stuff fine, but I honestly never felt the emotional connection to it that I've always felt to those old blues guys.

g. himes wrote about the mammals, well, for No Depression, a while back. having heard donna the buffalo, duhks, mammals, nickel creek, and as I like to call 'im Surfin' Stevens, I kinda find the whole thing tiresome. I actually dug the weird sound and *muffled yet angry* thing the mammals did on "departure," and admire ruth ungar's songs. the duhks doing fraser & deBolt was very cool, a stroke, but for my part, Cuban/Brazilian instrumentation does not make a Cuban/Brazilian rhythmic aesthetic, far from it. their last record was really accomplished and while I respect them--I had a great conversation with Scott Senior, and they all seem to be fine people--their music isn't for me, it's for people in Boulder or something. having lived in Boulder, I know about what that whole thing is about. nickel creek is just plain boring, and I never could work up enough enthusiasm to even comment on them. donna the buffalo have some verve, some skank, even. the next step for these bands--brad mehldau is a very fine pianist who covers some, er, interesting pop songs, just like cassandra wilson fell asleep during her attempt to do "pleasant valley sunday" a decade ago--is to make a Big Record here in N-ville with Edgar Meyer and Jerry Douglas and Emmy lou and all them. avant-bluegrass or whatever. all I can say is, there must be some weird folk scenes in canada, and that it's a long way from where I live.

and yeah, roy, I'm a gene clark fan and you're right about "white." it's good. I also quite like "no other" and those great demos he did, like "los angeles." but I love "with the gosdin bros."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

haha I had to actually BUY my copy of Crossroads at Circuit City like an actual fan! I think it's on EMI Latin, which means GOOD FUCKING LUCK trying to actually get hold of anyone at the label.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

g. himes wrote about the mammals, well, for No Depression, a while back

He did? I thought that was me. :)

I pretty much agree with xhuxk on NC, save the part about the Sufjan comparison. I mean there's a long tradition of boring, non-rocking newgrass/bluegrass/mathgrass (© Edd Hurt), so who needs indie rock to explain why Nickel Creek is crippled?

But they can be decent live--not that that redeems much....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha, roy, you're right, I was thinking "duhks" but typed "mammals." himes' piece was in 2005, yours was pretty recent. goddam it, we should indeed just rename them the platypi and be done with it.

and I mean that's just my take on those bands. there's some part of me that kind of digs it but in the end I don't. it's sort of a good idea, what they do, and perhaps it comes down to the material, which is why I probably like the mammals the best, because their songs seem better.

and, I just checked out that memphis commercial appeal link that don forwarded, on george soule. fascinating. that's one I need to hear, since I've been steeped in muscle shoals/memphis white soul this last week, seeing donnie fritts and cropper and all them here.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, check Luc Sante's review of the xpost Patton box on villagevoice.com (although he's def not a Calt fan). Not saying Charlie ever had the prosperity, opportunities, etc.of Uncle Dave, but Luc and Bob Palmer (in Deep Blues) indicate he had some sense about the dollars he did get. And certainly an influential figure, a wizard & star to Those Who Knew, in his orbit. Yeah, I wanna check those country soul comps Merlis mentions too; here's the link, which prob won't work, but the subject is George Soule, the author is Bob Merlis and it was posted Nov. 4: http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/music/article/0,1426,MCA_505_5116472,00.html

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

it does work, woohoo!

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to Memphis Jug Band (Yazoo 1067, sometimes listed as Double Album, cos it advertises itself as that on the cover, but just s/t on spine and label). This is closer to Uncle Dave than Charley Patton is, and seems like their repetoire might overlap with Dave's, although maybe not "Cocaine Habit Blues"("Have a whiff on me," but also how nowadays all these young folks are goin' to the needles, rather than snortin'; now there's an old-country-folks-type headshaking comment). Something more slippery about this, as far as getting my own comments together, which is unfortunate, because I'm listening to it and then Jim Kweskin Jug Band, to compare with Asylum Street Spankers (or ASS, as their publicist calls them), who are subject of piece. Any thoughts, etc.

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

ASS should be a lot funnier then it is

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ASS's marijuana concept album had amusing moments; beyond that, it's never been clear to me what exactly their appeal is supposed to be.

Memphis Jug Band are one of the great bands of the century, though I would assume anybody familiar with my second book should already know I think that. And anybody who can't find Double Album (is it in print anymore? I'm guessing not) should track down the '01 Yazoo CD The Best Of The Memphis Jug Band. Better yet: own both, like I do. There's some overlap, of course, but less than you'd think, as I recall (someday I'll compare them track by track.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

The CD is Yazoo 2059, fwiw.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link

As for Charley (or Charlie? when did they change the spelling of his name>) Patton, I figure the Founder of the Delta Blues LP (Yazoo L-1020) is definitive, but if you can't find that one (which is likely), go with the The Best Of Charlie Patton CD (Yazoo 2069), and it's worth owning both if you find one of them cheap. Next in line, as far as I know, would be Charlie's Primevel Blues, Rags, and Gospel Songs (Yazoo 2074). (Isn't there also a Revenant box or something? I think I heard a sampler from it once.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

the box is what i got frmo the library, it is one of he most beautiful objects ive seen, all packaged like 78s, and lots of old timey fonts, in handsome baize green leatherette, but still, listening to it, shrug...

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Sheldon Harris' "Blues Who's Who" spells it "Charley"/"Charlie" Patton, Calt's book has it "Charlie." I always spelled it "-ey."

And right, the Memphis Jug Band's stuff is among my very favorite music, and damned if I don't have my double-LP, the one with the Crumb drawing, any more. Steve Calt gave that to me years ago. I made a tape of that with some Cannon's Jug Stompers and the prime Rev. Robert Wilkins stuff. So that's one I need to get on CD, and thanks for reminding me.

I've known Calt since around '93, when he got me to go down to Bentonia, Miss. and interview a blues singer named Jack Owens. He's always been a good friend and I believe his heart is in the right place; I don't agree with him about a lot of stuff, and his whole take on the blues always seemed like a strenuous effort to place blues into a...framework of the Larger Culture, to analyze it like any other artform. Which should work, but somehow doesn't. Because it's just too strenuous, and you don't get anywhere kicking yourself over and over about your youthful idealism that has now flown.
xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"I would assume" yeah I knew that, just asking for comments in general; yep he does have theamazing Revenant boxset, which I already mentioned in first response to Anthony above, Screamin' & Hollerin' The Blues, which is what Luc reviewed in that piece I xpost rec'd to Edd, you prob edited that, didn't you? ASS's Mercurial is pretty funny, and also has the winsome-to-smoldering blues femme, sort of a Bob Wills/Tommy Duncan, guys/Maria M.(Kweskin Jug Band),Fred/gals(B-52s) or Louis Prima/Keely Smith, except here we get more whole sep tracks in each approach,

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Also a bit like Dan Hicks & Hot Licks, with funny songs like "How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away?" (which sounds like he means it, so serious enough), and more overtly serious like "I Scare Myself," co-existing pretty well (also like Eleanor's poised vocals x Matthew's whacky sounds in Fiery Furnaces, although again that's almost always on the same track, not one approach per track)

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

but now I'm gonna go vote, Yall Go Vote! Yall too, Pinkmoose & Tim!

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

interview a blues singer named Jack Owens

Dude. Did you interview the Jack Owens? The one album I own, It Must Have Been the Devil, is astonishing. All I know about him is David Evans' liner notes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Now I'm listening to Jim Kweskin & the Jug Band's Acoustic Swing & Jug. Tom Vickers put it together, and dammm, what momentum, incl songs from dif styles, turns (lovely "Memphis," and somehow I never noticed that Maria's brilliantly tossed-off signature "I'm A Woman" is by Lieber & Stoller!) Such committment in the male voices, too, right through the oh-so-whacky bits. Which don't detract,as I remember thinking they did (maybe they did on orig albums)

don (dow), Thursday, 9 November 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

r crumb has a new book out, where he has painted old blues, country and jazz singers, teh paintings have an intense emotional resonance, and a kind of classicism, i really like it.

however, even better is the comp cd that comes with the book, just a little sampler, but a really well curated collection of semi obscurities.

pinkmoose (jacklove), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

intense emotional resonance, and a kind of classicism

= big butts? (though only for the athletically inclined women, i'm guessing.) anyway, anthony, what's it called? (the cd and the book?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

so, decided Darryl Worley's "Here and Now" > Dierks' "Long." What Worley lacks is a killer single like "That Don't Make It Easy," which as Chuck says above isn't as good as "Lot of Leavin'" on the last DB record. But it's an honorable rewrite of same, and certainly one of the best tracks I've heard all year. Worley takes that good ol' riff-driven, post-T-Bone Walker jazzy blues-rock, post-Allmans, with all those snazzy sharp-9 chords, and really does something with it. He's a far better singer than Dierks, I'd say. He never quite descends to the depths of sentimentality (Dierks' Heaven song, urp) that Dierks does, and it seems to me the musical statement Worley makes is more assured, in the long run, that Dierks' retooling of '70s Waylonisms and assorted Byrdsian abstraction. But, I had to drive to Lexington the other day and I can attest to the roadworthiness of the new Dierks record, that's exactly where it sounds best, in a car.

Interesting reissue of Terry Manning's "Home Sweet Home," a real curio from 1970 on which the Memphis producer/musician (he runs Compass Point Studio in Nassau, a very great studio indeed, and the man has truly done it all, producing ZZ Top and Led Zep and Big Star and lots of others) does a 10-minute version of G. Harrisong's "Savoy Truffle," a maniacal Jerry Lee pastiche, and even a fine twisted version of Jack Clement's "Guess Things Happen." It's a parody of heavy 1969-era rock and a parody of the historical impulse as it is writ in Memphis. Remarkably solid and one of the funnest things I've heard in a while.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 9 November 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

and, looking at Nashville Music Guide Oct. issue, I see a seven-star review by Brad Fischer for Moe Bandy's "Legendary Country," and the news that a 3-CD Moe box is in the works. "More than anything else he loves to perform especially for his countless fans. But his record career is still on fire. Recently he hooked up with Dennis Money, producer and president of Sweetsong Nashville, an independent label...."Legendary Country"...reflects Moe Bandy's honky tonk roots and is very refreshing compared to what Music Row has been offering." Anyone on earth heard this, except for those who make the trek to Branson and the Moe Bandy Americana Theatre?

Also, Herrmuth Bronson does Musicians Spotlight, this month Charlie McCoy. "Of the musicians that you haven't played with, who would be the three you would most like to work with." "Allison Krauss, Alan Jackson, Diana Krall." The cover of this rag has a circular "violator" that says "#1 when you Google on 'Nashville Music'," but damned if I can figure out how a publication devoted to Music City can't get a little spell-checker going so they could spell Ms. Krauss's first name correctly.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

heros of blues, jazz and country

the big butt classicism is from art and beauty, no i mean tehy are mostly from the chest up, faces in great detail, with out much background detail...

the man can draws i tell yah

pinkmoose (jacklove), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, he's done a lot of album covers too, like that Memphis Jug Band Double Album (or s/t or Yazoo 1067, whatever you want to call it). Did he do the cover of their Best Of, xxhuxx? And is Charlie Nickerson on it? He shows up on the last couple of 1067 tracks, and suavely kills, like showing Jolson, Crosby, whomever, how to do it. Yet another medicine show guy, who sat in with MJB when in town, or on one of their own med show sidetrips. Wonder if he recorded elsewhere, I'll have to google. Who's on the CD companion, pinkmoose? Wish he'd do another Cheap Suit Serenaders, or some kind of musical performance project of his own. I ended up mostly focussing on ASS's Mercurial, which doesn't have any whacky tobacky jokes or Morning Drive DJ bait. Christina's got the Maria Muldaur thing down, but emulation more than imitation (dynamics, tone, etc, but not trying to do that warble)

don (dow), Friday, 10 November 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

don, its anthony here, pinkmoose is b/c ilx got sad on me.

here is the list:
On The Road Again Memphis Jug Band
Sobbin' Blues "King" Oliver's Creole Jazz Band (W/ Louis Armstrong) Kater Street Rag Bennie Moten's Kansas City Orchestra
Dark Night Blues Blind Willie McTell
All Night Long Blues Burnett And Rutherford
Minglewood Blues Cannon's Jug Stompers
High Water Everywhere Charley Patton R. Crumb's Heroes Of Blues, Jazz & Country Folk
Wild Cat Blues Clarence Williams' Blue Five w Sidney Bechet
Little Rabbit Crockett's Kentucky Mountaineers
Sugar Baby Dock Boggs
Mineola Rag East Texas Serenaders
I Got Mine Frank Stokes
Somebody Stole My Gal Frankie Franko & His Louisianians (W/ Ernes "Punch" Miller)
The Peddler And His Wife Hayes Shepherd
I'm Gonna Cross The River Of Jordan – Some O' These Days
Jaybird Coleman
Kansas City Stomps-Jelly Roll Morton & His Red Hot Peppers
King Joe Jimmy Noone
Mojo Strut Parham–Pickett Apollo Syncopaters (W/ "Tiny" Parham & Junie C. Cobb)
Big Bend Gal Shelor Family
Hard Time Killin' Floor Blues Skip James
Greenback Dollar Weems String Band

pinkmoose (jacklove), Friday, 10 November 2006 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, he's done a lot of album covers too, like that Memphis Jug Band Double Album (or s/t or Yazoo 1067, whatever you want to call it). Did he do the cover of their Best Of, xxhuxx?

Nah, there's a photo of them on that one. They're standing on a porch, all wearing hats. No jugs, but some barrels in the background.

Caddle, Raise 'Em High: Had hopes for this well-meaning Southern rock thing. First track, "Mississippi Doublewide", is not bad. Most of the rest is Drive By Truckers with a worse singer and worse tunes. Songs don't sink in, and they don't especially kick.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

im beginning to think that faith hill's fireflies album was the best of last year, and im wondering why i didnt love it more sooner

pinkmoose (jacklove), Saturday, 11 November 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I was starting to think that this week, too, Anthony! Weird!

For proof, here is my working list (so far) of the 40 best 2005 albums by artists from A to J in the alphabet (which is how far I've gotten so far, many many more to go, this project will take a while):

2005
Jefferson Airplane – The Essential (RCA/Legacy reissue)
The Hold Steady – Separation Sunday (French Kiss)
Deana Carter – The Story Of My Life (Vanguard)
Fannypack – See You Next Tuesday (Tommy Boy)
Foxy/OXO/Company B – Ishology (Re/Empire reissue)
Desmond Dekker – You Can Get It If You Really Want: The Definitive Collection (Trojan reissue)
Bang Sugar Bang – Thwak Thwak Go Crazy!! (SOS)
Hard Skin – Same Meat Different Gravy (TKO)
Gary Allan – Tough All Over (MCA Nashville)
Buck 65 – This Right Here Is (Warner Bros. reissue)
George Brigman And Split – Jungle Rot (Bona Fide reissue)
The Electric Boogie Dawgz – Sloppy, Fast & Loud (Hooch)
Roky Erickson – I Have Always Been Here Before: The Roky Erickson Anthology (Shout! Factory reissue)
Shooter Jennings – Put The O Back In Country (Universal South)
Faith Hill – Fireflies (Warner Bros.)
Destiny’s Child - #1’s (Sony Urban Music/Columbia reissue)
The Duhks – The Duhks (Sugar Hill)
Derin Dow – Retroactive (Crapshoot Music)
Hank Davison Band – Hard Way (Elite Special)
Dierks Bentley – Modern Day Drifter (Capitol)
Hot Rollers – Got Your Number (Sweaty Betty)
The Ex – Singles, Period: The Vinyl Years 1980-1990 (Touch & Go reissue)
(Various) – Cameo-Parkway 1957-1967 (Abkco reissue)
Brooks & Dunn – Hillbilly Deluxe (Arista Nashville)
Black Lips – Let It Bloom (In The Red)
Shelly Fairchild – Ride (Columbia)
Doomfoxx – Doomfoxx (Armageddon Music)
Todd Tamanend Clark – Nova Psychedelia: 1975-1985 (Anopheles reissue)
George Brigman And Split – I Can Heart The Ants Dancin’ (Bona Fide reissue)
First Band From Outer Space – We’re Only In It For the Space Rock (Transubstans)
Detroit Disciples – Saving Grace (Route 44)
The Grand Trick – The Decadent Session (Transubstans)
Penny Dale – Undaunted (pennydale.com)
Annie – Anniemal (Big Beat)
Cowboy Troy – Locomotive (Warner Bros./Raybaw)
The Birthday Massacre – Violet (Metropolis)
Early Man – Closing In (Matador)
Human Eye – Human Eye (In The Red)
Crazy Frog – Presents Crazy Hits (Universal)
Blueprint – 1988 (Rhymesayers Entertainment)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

(Cameo Parkway comp only on there because it's on my box set shelf; haven't begun to tackle the comp shelf yet. Not to mention a few other auxilary shelves that contain A through J's, so caveat emptor.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, im having trouble getting that far, here is mine:

country
singles
1) not ready to make nice--dixie chicks
2) running block--toby keith
3) will daddy sing danny boy tonight--hacendia brothers
4) like red on a rose--alan jackson
5) like we never loved at all--tim/faith
6) jesus take the wheel--carrie underwood
7) faith hill--stealing kisses
8) Trace Adkins "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk"
9) josh gracin--Big Brass Bed
10) Willie Nelson--Cowboys are Secretly, Frequently, Fond of Each Other
11) Bubba Sparxx Aint Life Grand
12) Scott Miller Citation
13) Tim McGraw STars Go Blue
14) Chris Cagle--Wal Mart Parking Lot
15) Brady Earnhart--Thank God Virgina is on our side
16) Jamie Johnson--The Dollar
17) George Strait--The Seashores of Old Mexico
18) Aaron Pritchett--Hold My Beer...

albums

1) kris kristofferson, this old world
2) jessi colter, this old fire
3) cyndi boste foothill dandy
4) Roseanne Cash black cadillac
5) josh turner--your man
6) Brokeback OST
7) Gary Bennett Human Condition
8) Bruce Springsteen--The Seeger Sessions

other music
singles
1) fergie--london bridge
2) gwen stefani--wind me up
3) theo blackman--chi chim chi ree
4) jessica simpson--public affair
5) Pharell/Ludacris--money maker
6) max tudnra--so long far well
7) beyonce--ring the alarm
9) alan jackson--like red on a rose
10) kd lang--love for sale

albums
1) alpendub-- jo delay
2) pharell--in my mind
3) gabriel kahune--craigslist leider
4) Marie Antoinette OST

pinkmoose (jacklove), Saturday, 11 November 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck Josh Ritters These Animal Years onto the best coutnry albums

pinkmoose (jacklove), Saturday, 11 November 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

except my lists were from the '05, not the '06 (and also way incomplete)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"Everybody" by Keith Urban = totally John Waite circa 1984.

There's another track that made me think of Rick Springfield crossed with Tom Petty, but I didn't take note yet of which one it was.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

And "Tu Compania" sort of sounded like "All She Wants To Do Is Dance" from the other room where I was folding laundry, but less so up close, where I noted the sexy Latina whispering sweet Spanish nothings in Keith's comparably sexy ear. Still think there might well be some Don Henley amongst its clippity-clop somewhere, though.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

another track that made me think of Rick Springfield crossed with Tom Petty

"Used to The Pain," maybe? Though maybe it's more Dwight Twilley? Phil Seymour? Somebody. Or even, uh, the Bodeans or one of those twerpy anal-compulsive bands that got overrated in Creem in the '80s? Or even later, like that shitty band who did the theme from Friends, or those dorks Del Amitri with the unbearable baby carriage video? With Chris Isaacs high notes, yikes. But suprisingly enough, I find myself liking it. And either way, yeah: Powerpop. ("Got It Right This Time" on now. Is that a drum machine?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

are you thinking of "faster car," chuck, on the urban? that's the one that hit me as totally skinny-tie...

so, too, was "i can't stop loving you" a hit only in europe for leo sayer (and phil collins did it later on)? billy nicholls, whose 1975 "love songs" is an ancestor of the urban record, wrote it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 12 November 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't think I'm thinking of "Faster Car," Edd, though I might be. (Then again, there is powerpop and there is powerpop, you know?)

Melody of "Got It Right This Time" (the apparently drum-machined one) is "Only You" by Yazoo! Damn, this is really shameless...

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

And "God Made Woman" sounds like a better Bon Jovi song than anything I've heard by Jon Bon lately. (Lots of na-na-na singalong chorus parts on Keith's album; cool! Hey hey, kiss him goodbye.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"Faster Car" does indeed wear its 1979 skinny-tie on its, um, neck, I guess. More Ian Gommm than Tom Petty, I'd say. Or maybe the Rumour without Graham Parker? Somebody like that. Weird scratchy vinyl effects at the start, too, with somebody saying "figaro figaro." And a tough little riff and chug to the thing. Then, later, horn charts.

Also love the guitar explorations at the end of the opening track, "Once In A Lifetime." Keith's finally found space to show off, I guess -- five over-five-minute cuts, one of which goes over six ("Stupid Boy," which hasn't kicked in yet and seems to wait too long to let the guitars kick in, but the title's intriguing so I have high hopes.) Aforementioned opener is also the second longest track on the album -- how often does that happen on a country record? Second track also goes over five minutes, with Elton John orchestrations then more guitars at the end. "Raise The Barn" with Ronnie Dunn, 5:12, start off Stones-like and goes into a cool disco-funk break at the 3-minute mark, plus lots of gospel hallelujahs and stuff tosssed into the mix in tribute (the liner notes say) to New Orleans overcoming Katrina. A really interesting record, even if the John Waite rip does claim that "everybody needs somebody sometimes".

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, you know who "Used To The Pain" reminds me of? The Babys! So John Waite figures very prominently on the new Keith Urban album. And I might like that powerpop song even better than "Faster Cars"'s powerpop. (One obvious link between skinny-tie powerpop and current rock-country would be .38 Special -- even ask Van Zant. But I'm wondering if Urban might have been inspired by some Aussie equivalents of all this old pop-rock stuff. Supposedly he was part of a trio down under before going solo country; anybody have any idea how pop or rock they might have been? It'd be pretty wacky if it turned out they aspired to be, like, the Hoodoo Gurus or whoever.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 12 November 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

(I guess that's supposed to be a cowboy accent.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 November 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

All Music sez that young Keith Urban was inspired by Dire Straits & Lindsey Buckingham.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 13 November 2006 06:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i still think i need to know more of the rock you folks are joining in on...

kogan, i think its supposed to be bad, but that said, ive always enjoyed the theme tune things by charollote church, i find them cheeky fun

pinkmoose (jacklove), Monday, 13 November 2006 09:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of country accents (I posted this on the teenpop thread, too), am I the only one who really doesn't hear Hannah/Miley's voice as country at all (or at least as a lot less country, than, say, Hope Partlow's)? It must be there, especially if Metal Mike heard it, but I'm wondering if people are imagining a twang and drawl just a little thanks to her achy breaky dad. Or maybe I'm just deaf....

(Also should add that, what with Jon Tester's victory, this has been quite a week for Montana. I almost imagine Disney planning that way, like they pegged the state as the future before the news media did. Word now is that unemployed Detroit auto workers are moving there...)

And yeah, Knopfler/Buckingham makes obvious sense in re: Keith Urban's guitar.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

(Maybe the displaced Detroiters are hoping to be dental floss tycoons.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I can think of lots of people who hear no country accent in Miley Cyrus' voice: the hundreds of thousands of pre-teens who bought the soundtrack album!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Posted this on the teenpop thread:

"Best of Both Worlds" has a pronounced* southern accent in the verses (but not particularly a country way of phrasing). The southern accent is barely present on "Who Said" (which nonetheless has a twangy guitar), except for the twist she puts on a few words at the end of a line: "magazines," "my way." And it seems gone altogether from "I Got Nerve."

*One does tend to pronounce one's accent, doesn't one?

[Haikunym, I'm sure some of the teens who bought the soundtrack noticed the southern (though not all that country) accent. Why in the world wouldn't they? Btw, a large number of teenpop stars were born in the South, though many of 'em ended up in NY or LA.]

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Eisenhower and live Neil Young are the only remotely country albs in this week's AOL listening party. (Also streaming the Game, which Sanneh says is the hip-hop album of the year, and Akon and Fat Joe.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

My philosophical precis:

A. They wouldn't notice any traces of accent because they don't care about it one way or another, unlike people like us -- even if they do have southern or non-southern accents of their own.

B. They wouldn't notice any traces of accent because the songs' excessive noisiness and brutal futurist onslaught make it very difficult to discern anything about Miley's voice at all.

C. They wouldn't notice any traces of accent because they are too busy chanting the lyrics at the same time as the singer.

D. My daughter doesn't hear any accent. Then again, she and all her 11-year-old friends hate Miley and think she's corny. So the target audience is probably younger than that.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

(Actually, Miley's speaking accent also only has traces of Southern. Maybe that's typical for suburban Nashville.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

(Not much of an accent on the show, either.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

*Maybe that's typical for suburban Nashville.*

depends on what suburb; closer in, like antioch or north of town, or out east like gallatin, it's reeeall southern. franklin and williamson co. there are just more rich people from other places and songwriters who moved here from new york and l.a. so that's another kind of accent. and shit, you can go to east nashville and sit in the booth at the quite good mexican joint on gallatin pike on a friday night and not hear a southern accent anywhere.

bill friskics-warren compares urban's new one to prince in a washington post piece he did. which makes sense, altho he's no prince. it's sure a frantic record, tho.

listened again to new darryl worley, and this time it sounded a bit flatter, and too many guitars competing in one sonic space. he sings real well and although the songs aren't quite as good as some of the riffs--he does a great faces/stones rip--it's kinda like seeing a really good blues band on thursday night and you go home early and not quite drunk like you would be on the weekend (if you living the blues lifestyle, that is. I had two stella artois last night with my meal and I feel it today, just gettin' old...)

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder if anyone here's been following countryuniverse.net's list of the 100 best contemporary country albums? (Contemporary= post 1989, I believe.) Interesting choices, including some stuff from this year:
Alan Jackson, Todd Snider. Fireflies is at #41.

The top 20 have yet to be revealed, but so far no Montgomery Gentry
(though another post suggested that they weren't "really country," though I guess K. Urban is.) Also, a lot of hatred for Brooks & Dunn on that blog, though Brand New Man made the list.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

can you give me a link to the list ramon?

pinkmoose (jacklove), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

The list is at www.countryuniverse.net
It's broken up into blocks of 10, so go to the "Features" link on the right side of the screen & the menu for the whole list comes up.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of the Nashville social map, that mix pertains to Kid Pan Alley:Nashville, which I discuss here, since it's the home of Lari White's excellent "Stinky Socks," which yall can also download or stream (Frank's got a goodun too, it was Kid's Day): http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=299

don (dow), Monday, 13 November 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesting choices

I am hereby interested in checking out Tracy Lawrence and Colin Raye someday (though I don't remember liking them) (and though the guy on that blog, while smart, definitely likes a lot of stuff I don't.)

Here's what I wrote upthread about a Carlene Carter album he loves:

The Carlene Carter album I bought seems consisently kinda fun but never quite fun *enough*, at least so far. Maybe I wish her poppabilly was more rockabilly, "The Sweetest Thing" is slow, and could amost be a Lorrie Morgan hit from around that time; "Goodnight Dallas," which I like more than most of the tracks, has mariachi horns and yodels, so it's "western" I guess. I'm still waiting for at least one track though to jump out at me as much as, say, "Montgomery to Memphis," which jumped right out of the self-titled Leann Womack CD I bought the second I finally put it in the changer today. So right now I'd say Leann beats Carlene beats the Sweethearts, though Carlene could still win this race...carlene's CD doesn't quite make the cut, i don't think, though yeah, maybe as don suggests her new wave era stuff is less perfunctory than what she was doing in '90 (when she was actually having hits, i take it.) even "me and the wildwood rose," about growing up at grandma's and singing for miners with her little sister, doesn't quite connect. i like the rockpile-abilly powerpopsters ("i fell in love," "my dixie darlin'," "come on back," "one love," the mariachified "goodnight dallas") okay but never love them. most surprising cut, just 'cause i never knew carlene did such stuff, is that stately lorrie morgan approximation i mentioned, but i doubt i'll need to hear it again.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's what folk fan Mr. Country Universe (what's his name again?) said about the same album (he is more coherent than me but almost more wrong) (I at least wish he explained what's breathtakingly creative about it; to me the album sounded more or less generic):

#22
I Fell In Love
Carlene Carter
1990

Talk about your legacies. Daughter of June Carter & Carl Smith, stepdaughter of Johnny Cash and stepsister of Rosanne Cash, few artists had to emerge from as many shadows as Carlene Carter did. While she’d been putting out records since the mid-70’s, she still had experienced very little success. When she surfaced on Warner Bros. in 1990, she finally broke through, with an album that paid homage to her heritage while still moving country music progressively forward. The breathtaking creativity on I Fell In Love makes contemporary rockers like the title track and “Come On Back” co-exist with covers of her father’s “You Are the One” and the Carter Family’s “My Dixie Darlin’”, and it actually sounds like they belong together. Despite some excellent covers, Carter best honors her family through her own pen. “Me and the Wildwood Rose” tells the story of growing up as a Carter through her own eyes, and recounts the death of Mother Maybelle, when the family gathered at the grave and “stood in a circle and sang.”

Download This: “Come On Back”, “Me and the Wildwood Rose”, “You Are the One”

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

In other news, I should note here that I vastly prefer the reissue of Captain Beefheart's 1982 Ice Cream For Crow (which has some extremely beautiful parts, sometimes country-tinged) over the reissue of Captain Beefheart's 1980 Doc At The Radar Station.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

And speaking of recent reissues with some minor border/bearing on country: Pogues 1985 Rum Sodomy And the Lash > Pogues 1984 Red Roses For Me (which has always been their most underrated album and always will be) > Pogues 1988 If I Should Fall From Grace From God (which is better than I'd remembered but not nearly as good as is claimed -- basically, near as I can tell, a typically scattershot Sandinista!-style look-how-eclectic-our-rhythms-are move that's not nearly as adventurous as Sandinista! and not nearly as songful as the first two Pogues albums, though yeah the Christmas song is great of course.) I'm still not convinced these mugs did anything worthwhile after that LP, though.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the guitars in beef's "ice cream" and the instrumental a couple songs later are beautiful. "doc" peaks higher, i think, with "dirty blue gene" and "best batch yet"--the words in the latter actually seem to mean something as a commentary on van vliet's fake-a-roll method of making music--but "ice cream" is indeed nice.

saw vince gill on leno last night, with a big band, horns, and doing white r&b. he doesn't get *out* of himself as a singer, but i suppose that worked on this particular song...too suave to externalize his soul and all that. but he sings well, not as well as he plays guitar. he's truly great and played some rippin' stuff. (but, for a lesson on how much better a guitarist can be and still be steeped in the same kind of stuff that any number of country guitarists and r&b guys are, i wish i had a video of robben ford at the ryman a couple weeks ago. he made james burton and steve cropper look like kindergarteners. just think if he got on, say, dierks bentley's record and they just let him loose.)

anyway, it was pretty good and now i have to find a copy of those four discs from somebody.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

dunno what happened there in the last post--we're at the beginning!

anyway, on beefheart, i always thought "doc" peaked higher, but "ice cream" had a droll charm, esp. in the amazing interaction of guitars and drums on the title track, which really extends blues rhythms into something new.

xp

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck I almost agree completely with your Pogues assessment, except I'd probably go RS&TL = RRFM > IISFFGWG, and I don't fancy anything they did thereafter either.

Rum, Sodomy and the Lash probably has the greater individual songs, Red Roses For Me has more energy, and I end up skipping forward less when I'm listening to RRFM.

The Poguetry In Motion EP is a marvellous thing, also; not sure where that's been reissued, but two of the four songs "Rainy Night In Soho" / "The Body Of An American" stand with their very best. The other two aren't too bad, either.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

worst album of the year: emerson drive contrified

sort of gentry or big and rich lite, sentimental, the usual problems with women, playing way beyond their leauge, and arythymic singing, an inability to keep the energy up and wow are the lyrics just awful:
for some red heat real fast picken turbo grass areosmith or cootton eyed joe a little star light moonshine down home party time and let it go with my countrfied show...

these people are from grand prarie alberta, i thnik, which means all of the (innumerable) southern/small town signifers strike me as posing without committing

grand prarie has got 60k people.

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

it also has one of the least compotent covers of the devil went down to georgia, and an incredibly goopy daddy dying song...

(where is the coutnry about being broke and homeless even if you are a rig pig making 100k a year, i mean grand prarie is prime oil country, and with the insane prices, the drinking, the lack of housing, the fucking and the gambling, plus working 70 hour weeks, and thousands of people from newfoundland, you would figure there would be a whole subculture of oil songs...there is one by corb lund, but there should be more)

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Carlene was cool, whatthehail, ever'body knows my scandals, at the Tribute To Johnny And June last year. Not like she wasn't into it, but a bit stoical, basically, and J and J would've understood (and been relieved she didn't spew pills all over the stage). Great having a rave-up with Al Anderson's guitar on an ancient Austin City Limits set, and the twofer CD Musical Shapes/The Blue Nun (or vice versa) has a lot of her best Nick-era, though really really needs remastering. Edd, have you heard Robben Ford's Tiger Walk, with Bernie Worrell? Don't know what I'd think now, but used to be quite the pick-me-up for us jaded record sto hos.

don (dow), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The Poguetry In Motion EP is a marvellous thing, also; not sure where that's been reissued, but two of the four songs "Rainy Night In Soho" / "The Body Of An American" stand with their very best. The other two aren't too bad, either.

They're all now on the Rum Sodomy And The Lash CD. I used to own the EP on vinyl, and got rid of it somewhere along the line; nice to have those tracks again. I thought I had another EP, too, with "A Pair Of Brown Eyes" and "Muirshin Durkin" (one of their best tracks ever, now on the Red Roses CD), but AMG doesn't seem to list that anywhere, so it must be long forgotten. And I associate those two EPs with two Fear And Whiskey-era Mekons EPs I had copies of way back in my Army days (whilst reviewing both Red Roses and Fear and Whiskey for the Voice in my spare time): Crime And Punishment and Slightly South of The Border (not to mention the even greater and I assume rarer English Dancing Master, from a few years before, when not even critics cared about the Mekons) Why was I so quick to purge my shelves in those days? Sigh. I will likely never see them again.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

worst album of the year: emerson drive contrified

I really really wish those faceless dolts would go away.

Now playing: my sleeper pick for country (absurdly broadly defined) album of 2006: The Memory Band, Apron Strings on DiCristina. They've zenned into the Fairport tone and soul, the fiddle player is beyond awesome and "I Wish I Wish" is a beautiful transformation of a traditional ballad that's also the best possible fuck you to re-virginizing evangelicals everywhere.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

my friend john, from grand prarie, said they were called 12 gauge, and he was there when they played school dances in whenby...

there first album cover featured shotguns...

i dont know the memory bands

pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

"Muirshin Durkin" was on the b-side of the 12" single of "A Pair of Brown Eyes" over here, not sure how these things came out in the States.

One still bumps into those old Sin Records era Mekons things over here now and again, I haven't played mine in forever, though I think fondly of them. I don't think I've ever even seen a copy of "The English Dancing Master", I don't think many of those CNT things ever made it far south, the indie distribution networks in early 1980s Britain weren't what they later became. I had half an idea that there had been a reissue of CNT-era Meeks stuff, perhaps that was just "The Mekons Story".

It seems that Greil Marcus was the only person alive who cared about "The Mekons Story" when it came out.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

dolly parton is playing in a casino in niagra falls this weekend--arent casinos for people who cant fill stadia?

pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the Mekons' "Original Sin" CD on Twin/Tone. I don't know, doesn't this contain some of the stuff you're looking for, Chuck? It has them doing "$1000 Wedding" and it looks like "Mr Confess" is from the English Dancing Master EP. The CD's a real bargain, all of "Fear and Whiskey" (which I probably like just a bit less than "Rock n Roll") plus some mostly great extra stuff. I mean I am not crazy about them doing the Parsons song but their heart's in the right place.

And, will point out that the entire Mandrell tribute "She Was Country....Cool" is pretty fine, LeAnn Rimes does fine with the filthy "If Lovin' You Is Wrong" (kinda skips over the line about "married men," like she didn't want to get into that too much!), Sara Evans avows how her gardener or dance instructor or husband, even, can eat "Crackers" in her bed any time, and Blaine Larsen sounds great too. Only clinker is Randy Owen, whose Alabama shit stunk up an otherwise great show, that Cropper tribute I mentioned upthread. Never could abide that stuff.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I think casinos are for just about every country star over the age of 50--with the exception of George Strait and Willie. And probably some others I'm forgetting. Oh yeah Haggard, though he plays them too.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, anthony--even big stars of the moment play casinos. I believe I saw some casinos on a montgomery gentry tour list a while back. the casinos have been lifesavers for a lot of them and for any number of old soul singers who are in tunica every other month, or used to be when I lived in memphis.

anne mccue's record, finally gave it a good listen. about a B. sometimes she rocks out and it works, sometimes it just sounds constrained and polite. pretty good overall but nothing to write home about that I hear. more hooks, baby, you got the looks...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

na she's got some good ballads,they're just restrained compared to the usually excellent rocker tracks (another plug: my take on "Coming To You" will be on PaperThin one of these days. Yeah, sometimes ZZ Top do a tour of nothing but casinos, and the Times had a thing about encountering Dylan in an Atlantic City casino, slot machine headz and all. But he still charges and gets the better rates, according to the piece, and he and Merle have been known to co-star in such establishments (he and Willie favor minor league ballparks, when togethering) And yeah, Dyl seems to like playing a ski bar one night, a hockey stadium he next, like these other guys apparently.

don (dow), Thursday, 16 November 2006 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the Mekons' "Original Sin" CD on Twin/Tone. I don't know, doesn't this contain some of the stuff you're looking for, Chuck? It has them doing "$1000 Wedding" and it looks like "Mr Confess" is from the English Dancing Master EP. The CD's a real bargain, all of "Fear and Whiskey" (which I probably like just a bit less than "Rock n Roll") plus some mostly great extra stuff

Not familiar with Original Sin. I've got a couple hodgepodgy odds-and-sods CDs (I Have Been To Heaven And Back: Hen's Teeth And Other Lost Fragments of Unpopular Culture Vol. 1 and Where Were You: Hens Teeth Etc Etc Vol. 2 that include sundry rare early tracks among sundrier live ones and so on; somewhere in storage I also have Punk Rock, I think it's called, where they entertainingly re-record a bunch of their punk-era stuff -- my Fear and Whiskey CD leaves that great album intact; a few of those early tracks also show up on the two-disc Heaven And Hell: The Very Best of the Mekons, which also has all I'll ever need of their widely acclaimed '90s and '00s stuff, which I've honestly never really understood the appeal of), but anyway, I think with those early EPs, I also miss the actual objects, you know? Though I do think they were doing their best music back then; my favorite album by them {used to have it on vinyl, now on CD} is 1980's The Mekons, a/k/a {for no reason I've ever figured out} Devils Rats and Piggies. And I actually found The Mekons Story fun back in the day; wish I'd kept my vinyl copy of that one too. I assume Lester Bangs liked it too, since he wrote the liner notes, in which he claimed it to be the best album in the world this side of Metal Machine Music and/or something by Black Oak Arkansas, I forget which. So blah blah blah. After Edge of The World, for me, they had more trouble holding my attention.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Original Sin has just about all their promo Sin sutt, incl some EP tracks that didn't make their way over here back in that era, although they may have adhered to some later collections. (Xgau describes it on his site, I think.) Also like Mekons' New York, though it
's on vintage ROIR cassette. Hopefully they've eventually cleaned up the sound (initial CDs, when they finally started doing those, sounded just like teh tapes). Liner notes by one xhuxk.

don (dow), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

On the pressing question of where Miley is from, according to Wikipedia she was born in Franklin and lives on her parents' farm (doesn't say where the farm is), went to Heritage Middle School in Thompson's Station, now has a private tutor. Around age 9 she lived in Toronto while her dad was on the series Doc.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 November 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

have we talked about kacey jones' "sings mickey newbury"?

pretty good, a bit genteel in the vocal department. really gets going about track 10 with "san franciscop mabel joy" and "you've always got the blues." who can tell me what the best newbury record from the '70s is? xgua gives neither one he grades in his '70s guide above B-. He says, "Never trust meteorological symbolism," and sure enough kacey jones' record has these rain sounds in it...

speaking of nashville humanist songwriters, bobby braddock has a new autobiography coming out, "down in oberndale," (pretty sure that's spelled correctly) which is pidgin southern for auburndale, fla., where he grew up. what are the great *songwriter* autobiographies?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 16 November 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Pretty much the only songwriter autobiog I've read is Tom T. Hall, and I liked it quite a lot, though it's not up there with Ulysses S. Grant's Memoirs or Leon Trotsky's My Life.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 06:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Carrie Underwood's "Before He Cheats" has risen to number 16 on Billboard's Hot 100. I haven't been paying close attention, but I think the only country songs to go higher this year have been Rascal Flatts' "What Hurts The Most" and "Life Is A Highway."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep forgetting the lyrics to "Muirshin Durkin," so when I sing it to myself I go "Goodbye Russian cooking, I'm sick and tired of drinking." Which are excellent lyrics, though incorrect.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link

To my nonsurprise, Th' Legendeary Shack Shakers Pandelirium did not make the Plug Awards (for indie something-or-other) official ballot, despite my nominating it in the "Americana" category. I would have nominated the Electric Boogie Dawgz, but their alb was released last year. (I might nonetheless vote for it in the Country Critics poll, if there is one.) If there were any indies this year of the caliber of last year's Deana Carter, Jason Aldean, and Little Big Town, I don't know of 'em, but that may just be because I've paid so little attention.

And Pitbull's El Mariel didn't make the ballot in the "Hip-Hop" category. And Ms. Peachez "Fry That Chicken" didn't make the ballot under videos.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link

some (maybe not all) indie country albums i ennjoyed more than legendary shack shakers' one this year by artists from A to L in the alphabet:


The Kentucky Headhunters – Flying Under The Radar (CBUJ reissue)*
Becky Hobbs – Best Of The Beckaroo Part 1 (Beckaroo reissue)
Shawn Camp – Fireball (Skeeterbit)
Hacienda Brothers – What’s Wrong With Right (Proper)
Terry Lee Bolton – American Man (MRC)
Alan Bros. Band – Brick By Brick (Alan Bros. Music)

New Bill Kirchen album sounds pretty dang good so far, too. Kentucky Headhunters just made the top 10 (not just country, everything) album list I submitted to the poll for my current employer. As did Leanne Kingwell's album, but we decided she's not country despite being indie right? As did Victory Brothers, who are definitely both, but they are not from A to L in the alphabet. As did Montgomery Gentry and Toby Keith, who are country but not indie (and Huck Johns, who may or might be country and/or indie, but probably not). And so on.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 17 November 2006 08:46 (eighteen years ago) link

And Dale Watson's album, which just missed making the top ten I just submitted (literally -- it got bumped at the last minute by an album by a reality show/sextape star with no musical talent; if I had done a top 11 instead, it would've been on there) is indie country too.

Bill Kirchen's album is more rock and soul and blues than anything I've heard by him before. Great title (and rocking title track): Hammer Of The Honky Tonk Gods. He does "Devil With A Blue Dress On" as a slow shuffle, closes with an Arthur Alexander song.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 17 November 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

have we talked about kacey jones' "sings mickey newbury"?

Oy vey. Me upthread:

I finally listened to this here Kasey Jones album of Mickey Newbury songs. Uggh. Useful if only to have all the worst versions of Newbury's songs in one place.

I think genteel is the best thing you can say about it. To my ears it's basically Mancini Americana, with a vocalist who may as well be parsing a phone book from Kazakistan, for all she seems to understand what she's singing.

The best Newbury album from the '70s remains Frisco Mabel Joy (and the tribute to that album that came out a few years ago >>>> than this Kacey Jones record). Most of his '60s and '70s stuff gets swamped in confused, faux-Sherrill arrangements (and I love real Sherrill), so buyer beware. But Mabel Joy is classic. Also, the double album, Live at Montezuma Hall anticipates his most intense and purely beautiful album, from the late '90s, the solo/live Nights When I Am Sane. This is not background music; he sings the living fuck out of every line.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

This is like Freaky Friday or something. Totally agree with xhuxk on the new Kirchen. Good song selection too.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard any on Chuck's indie list, and I can well believe they're better than th' Legendary Shack Shakers. Here are the Plug "Americana" nominees (in alphabetical order); the only one I've heard in full is the undeserving A Blessing And A Curse:

Alejandro Escovedo - The Boxing Mirror (Back Porch)
Band Of Horses - Everything All The Time (Sub Pop)
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - The Letting Go (Drag City)
Calexico - Garden Ruin (Quarterstick)
Califone - Roots & Crowns (Thrill Jockey)
Drive-By Truckers - A Blessing And A Curse (New West)
Eef Barzelay - Bitter Honey (SpinART)
Horse Feathers - Words Are Dead (Lucky Madison)
Jenny Lewis w/ The Watson Twins - Jenny Lewis w/ The Watson Twins (Team Love)
Jolie Holland - Springtime Can Kill You (Anti-)
M. Ward - Post-War (Merge)
Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings The Flood (Anti-)

(the Plug Independent Music Awards link, if you're interested in voting.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom T. Hall's The Storyteller's Nashville may or may not be the autobio Frank's referring to, but it's really funny, and has good serious stuff too. And gives some backstory on various songs. Although, for instance, "Harper Valley PTA" seems to have come loose from a lost weekend's drunken onslaught, and some of the better later anecdotes end with "And that's how I wrote 'Sneaky Snake,'" or some shit, so the gradual creative burn-out, or boredom, or crank out so much stuff you lose touch with qualty control, becomes evident (although it wouldn't if I didn't know the music, cos the book itself is good all the way through). I like his 80s novel Springhill, Tennessee (about the coming of a Saturn plant, and thus the Japanese, and the Yankee auto-workers tryin' to steal our jobs)Real good piece by Dave Hickey in the November Harper's, "It's Morning In Nevada." He travels the state with a Greek-American from Georgia, a female poly sci prof and state senator who's running for Gov. in the Democratic primary. Goes way into Las Vegas culture and its relation to desert culture and how they relate to rest of West and USA.(And the then-future Midterms, in effect.) Distinctive place, distinctive Dave! (He shows a way past the received view that seeps even or especially into outlying bloglands, and yet his way pertains, more so than ever, in fact)

don (dow), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Correction: Nights When I Am Sane is not solo; Jack Williams joins in on acoustic lead guitar. Recorded at the Hermitage Ballroom in Nashville around '93 or so. It'll wreck you from first note to last.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

This is like Freaky Friday or something. Totally agree with xhuxk on the new Kirchen

Well, actually...Freaky Friday must be over now because the Kirchen album's sounding a lot duller to me today than it was a couple days ago. Just kinda stodgy and slow and colorless, and the title track doesn't really kick all that hard after all, and why the hell would anybody want to slow down "Devil With a Blue Dress On," come to think of it? So right now, I'm on the fence, but maybe it'll kick back in, or maybe it won't. What basically keeps happening is, well, it's in the five-disc changer now with the Game (clunky rap voice, ocassionally tasty and tasteful retro-soul backup, sounds very Dr. Dre a lot of it no matter what Dre's involvement was or wasn't, but I never gave much a shit about Dre give or take a couple songs so I doubt I'll have much more patience with this thing), Yabby You (who sounds warm and dubby and greater than I would have guessed), Borat (just saw the movie, which was slightly disappointing though still frequently hilarious but maybe the disappointment was just that it had been built up so much by so many people, but at any rate i also just realized today that the soundtrack is a compilation, and track #7 is beautiful, and i think it's by o.m.f.o. but it's hard to tell because there are not the same number of titles on the cover as tracks on the cd, since some of the tracks are just snippets of dialouge and stuff, so you can't just count down to the seventh title, which is "grooming pubis", and also "o kazakhastan" which ends the movie sounds more like laibach than most of the national anthems on laibach's own new album) and joe gruschecky (ex of the iron city houserockers, and his new album features bruce springteen on a few tracks and while i have no doubt that this album must blow out of the water that springsteen seeger covers album which must be the most boring idea for an album of the year even though i didn't listen to the thing since life is too fucking short, but gruschecky is still not writing them like he was in 1980 or 1981 and his band barely rocks at all, dude really needs to befriend kenny aranoff or somebody, though sometimes there's some passable drama in joe's oily sobersided sincerity and the guitar buildups in a way that a couple of the tracks like "safe at home" for instance might sound decent in a "rescue me" episode or perhaps a scene from "the wire" with mcnulty fucking up again), and oftimes when a kirchen song comes on i think it's gruschecky by mistake, which is frankly not a good sign.


xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

yay here is another amazing Spanish-language country-tinged record for you all to ignore: Osé, two young guys who I think are brothers but haven't read the stuff very closely, with their album Seras; very Bruce Cougar Bongiovi en español but with a lovely light-pop feel, pretty voices to go with their pretty-boy faces, very nice

and the more I hear of the new Intocable album Cruce de Caminos a.k.a. Crossroads the more I fall in love with it. Johnny Lee Rosas might have the best voice in America, because it's not quite perfect but DAMN he delivers the goods. hilariously, when they do a "pop" version of huge hit single "Por Ella," it lays on the country signifiers so thick that I think maybe they actually consider modern country to be the real sound of "pop" in the U.S. but sadly for y'all, it's all in Spanish, so you won't really care about it. (P.S. I am an asshole tonight.)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

xp

The Game and Gruschecky now replaced in the changer with Fairyland (French-I-think metal band on Napalm) and new Ying Yang Twins.

"One More Day" on the Kirchen album does have a nice Dock Boggs era white country blues feel to it, I guess. And I do like the Arthur Alexander cover. So I haven't written the thing off quite yet.

I've been considering springing for the Intocable CD, actually. I probably won't mind the Spanish of it if the tunes are catchy enough.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"Working Man" and "Soul Cruisin'" very nice on the Kirchen album too. I should just shut my mouth and stop second-guessing everything.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

if you heard anything off Diez, Chuck, you'll know exactly what Crossroads sounds like: these songs are unimpeachable. they're not exactly fiery like norteño can be or hyperactive like banda, but they are smooth and well-crafted...and that accordion...

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a vague memory of being underwhelmed by the last Intocable album I heard, actually. Possibly too subtle for my fiery tastes. But what I've read about the new album intrigues me regardless.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

well you might not like it, because we sometimes don't agree; but I love this one the way I loved "Diez," so I'll vouch for it. it's kinda long though, 15 tracks/57 minutes! plus a DVD with videos and making-of mini-doc! a great value for $12.95 at Circuit City!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

plus i am an idiot, singer is Ricky Muñoz

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

also, holy crap, that "pop" version of "Por Ella" is produced by Lloyd Maines! on the DVD, he says "I'd never heard of Intocable before this project, but I've told a lot of my friends and they were all like OH SNAP THEY ARE AWESOME"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

kinda long though, 15 tracks/57 minutes! plus a DVD with videos and making-of mini-doc!

Sounds like a hell of a lot of work to get through...(What do they think they are, a hip-hop group or something?) (I hate great values!)

Kirchen's "Hammer of The Honky Tonk Gods" title cut kicks (or at least "signifies kicking") in a Junior Brown kind of way, I guess. There's something sorta deluded about it -- half of Nashville rocks harder; hell, Kellie Pickler might rock harder -- but it's not bad.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

It's only hard to get through if you have a heart of stone, Chuck! Whatever happened to taking a break halfway through, having a sandwich, and then coming back to it?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

is anyone watching the big reba special, cause i think im going to blog it!

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 19 November 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link

http://community.livejournal.com/poptimists/274184.html

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 19 November 2006 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

saw reba talking to megan mullaly (sp?) yesterday. couldn't really watch more than 10 secs of it, tho. reba makes me nervous, like there's a prize rabbit or some kind of exotic rodent people keep as a pet squirming around in the bathroom with me. i know this is irrational. she sings good and at times i have enjoyed her and i think i've watched almost all of one episode of her sitcom.

kirchen's record has the same faults as his show i saw this fall. he's real good for about two songs. his supposedly awesome guided tour of pop where he interpolates all the licks he knows is actually pretty great, but seemed empty even with a couple beers in me. you kind of wish he'd go johnny guitar watson and write more songs about more interesting and perhaps raffish reality. the songs blur in my mind. the curse of reverence and "americana" and all that, but he's been at it for a while just like nick lowe, who used to write about more interesting and raffish reality but now is a very good genre artist. we all love arthur alexander, man. (i love nick lowe, but the last record of his i found remotely interesting was "party of one," which is what, 1990?)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 19 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

So I figured out with 95 percent certainty the track #7, my favorite (and probably the most pop, thanks to the sweet-voiced lady singer) track on the Borat soundtrack, is "Eu Vin Acasa Cu Drag" by Stefan De La Barbuletsi, which originally supposedly appeared on AMMRA Records S.R.I. The other legit/non-Borat-sung tracks (apparently middle eastern and or eastern European, though maybe or I assume not usually Kazakh per se) are consistently really good, too, and first came out on labels like Piranha, Essay, Crammed Discs, World Connection, etc. O.M.F.O., who made an album I liked a couple years ago, have two tracks, which I'm pretty sure are tracks # 10 and 12. The only really confusing thing if you sit down with a pen and paper is that there seem to be three "real songs" between Borat's "You Be My Life" at # 13 and his "O Kazazhstan" at # 18, but only two titles between them. Which makes tracks #14 throuh #16 somewhat mysterious (since #17 is Borat high-fiving a gay-bashing redneck of some sort).

(Hey Frank brought the album up! I guess I should put all this on the world music thread too. I'm not sure what it has to do with country, though yeah, there's a twang in the music now and then, and didn't one of you guys vote for Gogol Bordello in a Nashville Scene poll once? This CD belongs on a shelf near them, Kultur Shock, Balkan Beatbox, etc, unless like me you file in alphabetical order.)

And my new maybe-favorite on Kirchen's CD is "Skid Row in My Mind."

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

(i love nick lowe, but the last record of his i found remotely interesting was "party of one," which is what, 1990?)

ha ha, for me it was labour of lust in 1979! (though i guess i gave nick the knife or whatever a fairly mixed review for my college paper in missouri when it came out, a few years later.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

So yeah, in the end, I'd say the Kirchen album squeaks by more on its real good song selection than its better-than-competent performances (and singing). But it still bats at least .500 in my book. I even wound up liking the track called "Heart of Gold," which is not a "Heart of Gold" I've known before. (It's credited to one T. Johnson). Best original is "One More Day," which turns out to be more Bob Wills than Dock Boggs, more Western swing than white blues. Anybody know who Blackie Farrell, who wrote "Skid Row In My Mind," or J. New, who wrote "Soul Cruisin'," are? They're both really great. "Devil With A Blue Dress" is totally dreary in this version, though maybe I'd forgive it here if I didn't grow up on Mitch Ryder.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of things eastern european, darko rundek & cargo orkestar's "mhm a-ha oh yeah da-da" from this year is really nice. sort of croatian (?) hedonism. hints of pere ubu and beefheart but it also evokes august darnell if he were from croatia and living in paris. very unusual tone. "wanadoo" is one of the best things i've heard this year.

ghostfinger, a nashville (actually murfreesboro, tn.) band, does really cool country-rock pastiches. the singer sounds like jagger or arthur lee or some white guy trying to be soulful, and it's mostly funny. they get doleful and sometimes the rockers don't quite work, but "moon" alternates sections of fake-rock and country-rock quite effectively. can't make out what it is they're exactly trying to express, but get the feeling they're a bit more than the usual history lesson. it's been a good year for nashville pop bands--lone official, the features, ghostfinger and i guess lambchop, too, have all released good records. certainly, lone official's "tuckassee take" made my no depression top 20 new releases.

and i have to say that i've listened to neko case's record (which also made my ND list) as much as i have anything this year; the songs are better than i initially thought, and she sustains a *mood* throughout that sorta skirts desolation--the line about driving past the beautiful flooded fields resonates as they say with my experience. and it's one of the great records in 6/8, a time signature she manipulates savvily and which suggests, i guess, the timelessness (or the immersion in memory) she's going after.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Darryl Worley album on this week's AOL listening party, though I'm not going to get the chance to hear more than a couple of tracks before I fly to Connecticut tomorrow. Track one he equates drinking and being free of his old record label (he presents both as positives). Track two uses acoustic blues for good sharp riffs.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Neko made my ballot too. It under-achieves but what it achieves is still her own.

So this Dixie Chick flick, Shut Up and Sing, is playing in town. Should I go? That whole brouhaha seems like decades ago.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 23 November 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

its done by the woman who did harlan county usa, so its got a good pedigree

did the ND Ballots go out already?

pinkmoose (jacklove), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Anthony. I'll go this weekend (I'm supposed to see Casino Royale tonight, but maybe I'll talk my date into the Chicks Flick). ND Best Of voting is just for regular contributors, mostly Contributing Eds and Senior Eds, but they expanded the comment section this year beyond just the latter--which is cool.

Do we know yet if the Scene poll is dead? Is Himes gonna do it elsewhere? I mean, he's got the rolls...

And I know this has been chattered about elsewhere, but I never got a clear answer: what's to become of Pazz n Jop?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

New George Strait album Twang. The First single "Living For The Night" is so classic. Any thoughts?

Jacob Sanders, Friday, 14 August 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link


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