NO LIST NOVEMBER on ILM (in effect and approved by shadowy cabal of 30+)

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you're either with us or against us

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

OPO doomed ilx lifers idealistic initiatives

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Here here! Except we should extend to December as well.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

1) wait, what are you talking about?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

unenforceable or unenforceable?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

Scott

xpost Scroll to the end of this thread:

PAGING JESS HARVELL

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

2) oh, okay.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

CO-SIGNED

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

I never bother with those OP etc type threads but I'd go crazy if we can't discuss all those magazine albums of year polls. (apart from pazz & jop as we don't really need a dozen threads discussing the previous thread before it on that like last year).

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

*OPO POO etc
I really need to check what I type before I hit submit. You would've thought I'd have learned to do that by now after all these years.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

1. The Beatles - Revolver
5. Farida - Mawal & Maqamat Iraqi
11. Gemstar-N-Bigmato - Mas Pure
17. La Crema - Party con la Crema
18. the oud
73. "Native New Yorker"
84. modern harpsichord music

― R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

CLAP YOUR HANDS SAY YEAH

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

(REAL NAME, NO PUNNING)

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

i want to put in a request for no irrelevant picture posting. that kills threads for me

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

who deems what is irrelevant?

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Cook%20Gear/Fire%20Starters/Coghlans%20Waterproof%20Safety%20Matches/Owner%20Review%20by%20Cora%20Hussey/bgt_matches.jpg

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/phc/paus03/fri/verstappen1-lg.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

I want to put in a request for no irrelevant picture posting. that kills threads for me

That's exactly why they're posted.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

but I'd go crazy if we can't discuss all those magazine albums of year polls.

these are an even bigger waste of time - never anything new about the lists so nothing new to say about them

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

the trouble is you can't really complain if you haven't started any decent threads yourself in the last couple of years (ulp...)

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

to be fair, last year's list threads did come up with perhaps ilx's BIGGEST EVER MEME.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

jog my memory

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

magazine...*ahem*...useless reader's polls

brigadier, haha fair enough. true

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

jog my memory

Posting pictures of baseball players. ILM's funniest meme, hands down.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

well let's have a pointless irrelevant link then.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bull

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.mattspenandpaperheroes.com/scans/Joe-Morgan.gif

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

lets go one further:

21st of november is
http://www.nomusicday.com/

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

baseball means nothing if you're a diehard cricket fan (like me)

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

NO TYNAN NO CREDIBILITY

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

i'm so glad i have images turned off!

i support no list november btw.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

all the more reason to cram in all the list ideas i'd been storing in my mind before october's end!

what are your favourite second to last tracks on your least favourite records?

which records would you take on a comet with you (pox)?

if god said that your third favourite song on ok computer had to be merged with your second least favourite song on the velvet underground and nico, on a mixtape comprising of two songs, what would the two songs be?

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

do it do it do it do it do it do it

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

those have all been done already charlie

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/trainsmoke/oswald.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/trainsmoke/DCP_0789.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/trainsmoke/11388014_6e3b8f831b.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/trainsmoke/922368745_l.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/trainsmoke/42-16122731.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/trainsmoke/171930094_f33a2de0c1.jpg

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

baseball means nothing if you're a diehard cricket fan (like me)

-- Charlie Howard (charlieflie...), October 26th, 2006.

omg charlie howard is like my alter-ego :-/

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

i will admit that those 'favourite song' based list threads do tend to follow a very similar trajectory each time, with the same bands/records mentioned over and over again. i think i've read the same thing about 'sister ray' in about 30 different threads. it does seem that the lists provoke more of a repetitive, streamlined style of discussion (not such a great thing) :/

haha, i've read that you quite enjoy a pint of beer, louis. we definitely have that in common as well

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

two guys that like beer and sports?....uncanny!

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

sister ray is too short, features too much organ, and not enough zither.

'a' pint ;-)

beer, sports...and Wilco though???

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

ILM list threads have pretty much killed the compulsive list habit I developed in my teens. So, er, that's good I guess

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

beer, sports...and Wilco though???

ah, then a rare class indeed. Ubermensch!

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

also, i suspect you'd find a relatively high percentage of sport-haters on ILM. and in general i sense a surprising lack of love for wilco :(

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

also, i suspect you'd find a relatively high percentage of sport-haters on ILM. and in general i sense a surprising lack of love for wilco :(

i've noticed the Wilco denegration, but I have been impressed by the vast amount of knowledge ILMers display on 70's-80's basketballers...

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

i love sport (singular: only tennis)
i like beer (but prefer wine)
i loathe wilco

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

having the hots for roger-me federer != liking tennis, lex

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

ILM and Mookie Blaylock

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

it is happening again. you'll all be talking about Talk Talk next.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Mark Hollis was an athlete..no?

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Tim Friese-Green was originally a Belgian ale.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

having the hots for roger-me federer != liking tennis, lex

i don't really fancy federer! i fancy marat safin and juan carlos ferrero. and er maybe andy murray.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

love sport (cricket, football, tennis...and to a much lesser extent rugby)
love beer and wine (like whiskey, vodka, gin etc.)
love wilco (i'd rave about them far more on here if the general response was less frosty)

i miss the range of belgian beers on tap in europe

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

love sport (cricket, football, tennis...and to a much lesser extent rugby)

yes, but participating or merely observing?

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

used to play cricket and tennis
but yeah, i mean observing

but definitely participating in drinking beer

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder how many ilmers are active in athletics...[strokes beard in chair]

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Like ("ice") hockey (spectator only; haven't strapped on ice skates since 1980. Like beer (Labatt's Blue, please.) Bought two Wilco albums and enjoyed neither.

― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

i love playing tennis! i wish i had more people to play with who were at my standard (ie crap but not incompetent). i have a hacker's version of elena dementieva's game: big x-court forehand, backhand which is solid at its best and wildly erratic when not, absolutely no ability to serve whatsoever :(

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

i like boxing/bball/swimming/soccer (sorry...football)
i used to like a nice single malt
yankee hotel foxtrot was over-hyped, but it had its moments for me

i see a nascent list thread

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

i wish i had more people to play with who were at my standard (ie crap but not incompetent)

i know the rules and am very crap. i don't wear shorts tho as a rule generally tho, plus i would probably collapse and DIE after 5 minutes so I'M OUT.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

i wish i had more people to play with who were at my standard (ie crap but not incompetent)

thats about my level, but i assume that geographically we are pretty far apart..good luck

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

NO LIST NOVEMBER on ILM can only be a good thing.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

i see a nascent list thread

good thing it's still october then!

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

MORE LIEK NO ROFFLE NOVEMBER

click here for huge gif

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

What else is to be banned?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

DISCUSSION OF CORPORATE AMERICA.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

Paul Edward Wagemann returning in any shape or form.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

omg charlie howard is like my alter-ego :-/

-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), October 26th, 2006.

NE'ER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN SON.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

that fecking huge .gif is just about crashing this thread

― ennui (fandango), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

then turn off images

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

What else is to be banned?

Bands

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

Large gif images, what's on you iPod?

Suzi Quatro- Too Big
The Pixies- Gigantic
Muse- Supermassive Black Hole

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

What else is to be banned?

80s ALBUM poll results.

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

that Madonna song with the sanskrit

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

then turn off images

-- manute lol

how do you think I posted that in the first place?

― ennui (fandango), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

blame harvard.edu

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0610/orionids06_tezel_big.jpg

― gear (gear), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

no lists, eh?

what about sets?

― lookin' in my mirror, not a Jagger in sight (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago)

so are list threads that get revived gonna get locked too?
is there any way for moderators to put time limits on thread locks?
do rolling threads count?
most list threads completely blow but there are a few of them that are pure gold (i still browse 500 Greatest Extreme/Noise Albums Of All Time! a couple times a year and i'd hate to see it permanently locked).
but there's always NB listening threads i guess so i'll put in a vote for FUCK A LIST NOVEMBER.

― Fetchboy (Felcher), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

So are we doing this or not? I think list threads started before November should still be okay, just not new ones. And also threads that are ABOUT lists (like if some website publishes its best of 2006), then that's okay, too. But all new list threads should be deleted on sight.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

I think this is an excellent idea and we should do it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

I can't wait.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

This is bullshit! No censorship. Free the list makers. If you don't want to participate in our lists, don't click, muthafuckas!!!

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

jaymc has the right idea.

― jonathan - stl (jonathan - stl), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

I am going to start a list thread every day in November and have it titled about Justin TImberlake or Lady Sovereign so you fascist bastards will click on it.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

yes banning list threads for a month is just like fascism

― ZR (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

Just start all your November list threads today then.

― everything (everything), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

What exactly is the reasoning behind banning list threads? Is there not enough room for discussions of Hillary Duff's new record? How does listing our favorite songs that begin with the letter L offend your delicate sensibilities?

Down with the list haters! Your days are numbered. In fact, they're listed!!!!!!!!!!!

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

i am with you my friends

― pj (Henry), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

I'm all for this.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

i support this

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

I am against it. Anywhere where music geeks gather, lists are needed.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

Surely at this point there is a pre-existing thread for any list we would like to contribute to.

― The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

Reasons Why I Hate Lists

1. You always leave something out.
2. They're kind of boring.
3. For some reason people come up with the most INANE lists ever on ILM.

4. It reminds me of those stupid Brit magazines, Melody Maker, NME etc.
5. I'm forgetting something.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

Geir you should take a month off, in protest.

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

Surely at this point there is a pre-existing thread for any list we would like to contribute to.

partly the point yeah, tho it is harder to search for them perhaps. looking at recent list threads, it's really scraping the barrel stuff done by people too bored at work but also don't want something too challenging - which would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that anything worth listing was done on ILM long ago.

i mean, 'what are the best track #6's on albums?' give me a fucking break

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'm for it, but only if December 1st is officially the day when everyone on ILM has to create at least one list thread.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

Reasons Not To Ban List Threads:

1. Though it may not be your cup of tea, others love them.
2. You can always, uh, NOT FUCKING CLICK ON IT.
3. People with ADD like myself can't focus on your boring sentences.
4. Music and lists go together like Sonny & Cher, Bob Seger & Silver Bullet Bands, MIA & Diplo.
5. Banning stuff that people enjoy is for tinpot 3rd world dictators and rightwing nutjobs, not music geeks.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

I see it as a useful experiment to see what kind of threads are started otherwise. I don't foresee every new thread to be full of sparkling wit and insight, but insofar as it would discourage one of the laziest thread ideas, I think it's worthwhile.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

4. Music and lists go together like Sonny & Cher, Bob Seger & Silver Bullet Bands, MIA & Diplo.

Best arguement in favor of NO LIST NOVEMBER.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i agree. this thread was half-joking but we should give it a go and see what happens (ha ha nothing probably - number of threads started on ILM alredy way down on three years ago)

list threads active today:

* Albums where the best song is track 6 (17 new answers, last at 8:37 pm)
* Marimba (29 new answers, last at 8:34 pm) *maybe a bit harsh as is concerned with the sound/instrument as much as listing tracks which feature it
* Rank Anything You Feel Like Ranking (7 new answers, last at 7:49 pm)
* Rock Stars Who Don't Do Drugs (18 new answers, last at 7:39 pm)
* People that start those fucking "_____, what's on your iPod?" threads, what's on your iPod? (6 new answers, last at 3:41 pm)
* your 11 favourite songs of the moment, fuck. (3 new answers, last at 12:04 pm)
* Now that we're 1/2 of the way through the year, list all the 2006 releases worth listening to so far: (1 new answer, last at 1:29 am)

not actually that bad but over a week the amount is bigger and their presence tends to be greater felt.

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

I discovered many of my favorite albums and songs through lists in magazines and message boards. I always assumed the point of these lists was to make recommendations. And I can't see what's so bad about that.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

It's the pointless, asinine nature of many of the ILM list threads lately. "Albums where the best song is track 6", FFS.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

it's lazy. let's all talk about musics again. together!

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

Reasons Not To Ban List Threads:
2. You can always, uh, NOT FUCKING CLICK ON IT.

This is the only reason.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

again we're mainly suggesting that the concept has been exhausted, and you can find the recommendations on older lists already on ILM.

also, and this may need to be repeated, it is merely ONE MONTH.

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

threads like you WANT to like them; you really do! would probably get away with it as there's clearer potential for discussion of why you want to but can't like certain bands (altho i'm sure this has been done more than once before anyway)

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

OK I'm off to bed in five minutes. I sure hope no list threads are started during the night...

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

Oops.

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know about list threads, but think that the moderators' energies would be better directed towards getting rid of the careerist trolls who have done far, far more damage to ILx than any lists.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 08:47 (eighteen years ago)

(everyone probably thinks you mean them now)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

I like list threads, but I think that a No List November makes for an interesting little social experiment.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

I think a Ban Persistent Trolls November (and December/January/February etc.) would make for a far more practical social experiment!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

I can agree that discussing albums where track 6 is the best may seem a bit pointless, but that thread was probably influenced by already existing threads listing albums where the first or last tracks are the best ones. Those threads are considerably less pointless because they do cover a phenomenon, that is, how often it does actually occur that artists do make sure to put tracks with more potential than others as the first or last on the album.

Likewise, a lot of other list threads also cover interesting recording industry trends. For instance, the threads about good third albums are interesting in the light of the "difficult third album" myth. Which artists have actually managed to escape that myth the best? And another thread is then devoted to which ones of those bombed completely with their fourth instead.

Some list threads are nothing but pointless but there are lots of list threads that aren't too. So just lumping all lists together as something boring and uninteresting doesn't make sense.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

is it the absence of lists that is causing the poxyfuleage? i think we should be told.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

the "difficult third album" myth

waht. i have never heard of this. difficult *second* album yeah.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

I approve of this. And all this 'I discovered some of my favourite albums through list threads' stuff is bollocks because if you're going to use ILM as a buyers-guide then actual discussion is about a million times more useful than someone typing the name of the last Spoon album on a thread alongside 500 others.

Only possible downside = the compulsive "let's list songs that feature a bouzouki" thread starters try and attempt to make actual cogent points. Ugh.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

killing music by not talking about it

I think the ban should be on this, which is a crime many Ilxors are guilty of, but not Charlie Howard who I think is an all-round decent poster.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

the stone roses
808 The Bass Queen / Filtadelic
new pornographers - mass romantic
Prins Thomas
Lil John - Get Low
bruce springsteen - nebraska
Sugarbabes - Hole in the Head
The Dooleys
dead kennedys - too drunk to fuck
rachel stevens
ULVER - HAYWIRE LYCANTHROPY
sympathy for the record industry
T.I. - King
the dandy warhols first track of welcome to the monkey house
Ben Folds Five - Brick
captain beefheart - blue jeans and moon beams
Simple Minds - Changeling
booka shade - in white rooms (mexico mix)
DANZIG!
Ride - OX4
The Streets
The Who - A quick One While He's Away
Patrick Wolf
Lieutant Pigeon - Moldy Old Dough
P!ATD - I Write Sins Not Tragedies
Andy C
Soil or Coil I forget which
Disturbed - Land of Confusion
The Nextmen - Get Over It
grime
Ramones - 53rd and 3rd
Clap Your Hands Say Passantino
Nellie McKay
The Rolling Stones Tumbling Dice
merzbow lol
120 Days
The Housemartins - I smell winter
modest mouse - the moon and antarctica
Ghostface Killah - Fishscale
The Delays - Long Time Coming
Clipse
DJ Sammy - Heaven
Black Eyed peas - Where is the Love?
Pink Floyd - Ummagumma
The Lex!
Derek Bailey probably...
Prolapse - The Italian Flag
The Swirlies opening for Dinosaur Jr
Rock 'n Roll Nigger amirite
Neu 75
Snooks Eaglin
Berlin (the city not the group!)
Huey Lewis and the News - Fore!
Muse - Muscle Museum
65 Days of Static
Omni Trio - Renegade Snares
My Chemical Romance obviously
Bona Drag
I am Kloot's first album.
DJ Yoda's How to Cut and Paste Volume 2
Shitmat
The Hughes Corporation
Mouse and the Traps - Your Own Public Execution
R.E.M. 1984 - 1988
The Saints - I'm Stranded
Too Much Love (Rub N Tug Mix)
Rebel Without a Pause
Wes Montgomery - the Incredible Jazz Guitar

― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

stfu marcello

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

And all this 'I discovered some of my favourite albums through list threads' stuff is bollocks because if you're going to use ILM as a buyers-guide then actual discussion is about a million times more useful than someone typing the name of the last Spoon album on a thread alongside 500 others.

My experience with ILM suggests differently. I'm sorry.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

That is to say, I think both are equally useful.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/tick.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think i've ever read a 500 post discussion thread and wanted to rush out and buy the album. more often than not it did the opposite.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

Re: that Tick graphic, I thought the letters in the lower left said "ILM 06" and I was in awe.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

You stayed in and threw the albums out?

― deekew (deekew), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

I can picture gear doing such.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago)

stfu marcello

-- wordy rappinghood (emilysu...), November 1st, 2006.

constructive

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:45 (eighteen years ago)

should list threads started but then locked get unlocked after november ends? this might undermine the 'experiment' but obv. there will be new stupid list threads started next month whatever happens.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

the answer is to ban the kind of person who starts the really fatuous list threads.

i have not forgotten tom's PROMISE to make me ilx moderator incidentally!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

We're all doomed.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I'm siding towards geir re the Difficult third album thingy.

You get 20 years to write yr first album

The second album, you get 18 months, very true. But the very fact that you have that creative space to fill for the first time specifically, tends to fire up the creative juices towards it.

By the third album, it's 'back to work time' after having done the 'tour the 2nd album' tour and had a bit of a rest for a few months...

oramairong?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

every album is difficult

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

Every day is a winding road.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 2 November 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

Everybody loves somebody sometime.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Everybody rock your body.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LIST

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

THIS IS JUST A MODERN LIST THREAD

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

THIS IS THE MODERN WORLD

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

AND THE WHOLE WORLD NEEDS TO LEGALIZE GANJAAAA

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

Incidentally I hate the No List Novemeber Nazis.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

EYE HATE YEW

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, how am I going to finish my 60 minute car-chase megamix now? (btw, I'm up to 25 minutes of back-to-back 70's carchasefunkhouse).

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

I suggest a separate I List Music board be set up.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Bollocks to this. More lists, I say!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

i am one of the 30; as is well known, i hate life.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

yeh that's why you were starting lame jokey list threads at 00:01 on 1/11/06...consider yourself blackballed

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

funny that the three threads above this in New Answers are all list or list-related threads.

is anyone talking in-depth about new music? other than on the 'Rolling' threads?

it suggests to me that ILM is outdated/outmoded (based on what it seemed like originally and this seeming a good thing).

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

the best threads only have about three people posting on them because most of ilx is too BORING to discuss great pop like the new ciara single and prefers to make endless SOUL-SUCKING lists of inanities.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

i mean i keep meaning to make a thread for how amazing 'irreplaceable' by beyoncé is but then i remember what ilm people are like and it doesn't seem worth it

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

things are already split up (the rolling genre threads) so splitting them up further seems the only way forward i.e. a separate board for music lists (would actually be great if nu-ILX could incorporate POLLS).

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

not sure about 'originally' but 2-3 years ago there was more discussion of new stuff. originally there was less specialism.

apparently all the battles have been won and another thread about 'omg this r'n'b single is great' is a bit like 'yeah yeah'.

xpost no honestly

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

i mean i keep meaning to make a thread for how amazing 'irreplaceable' by beyoncé is but then i remember what ilm people are like and it doesn't seem worth it

would you start a thread about it just to try and get/hope people agree with you tho? or would you want people on there constructively criticising it?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

I don't mind discussing lists... making them however, zzzz

― new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - isn't that what blogs are for?

― new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

would you start a thread about it just to try and get/hope people agree with you tho? or would you want people on there constructively criticising it?

but you wouldn't get any of the latter, you'd just get a load of indie losers being snarky at either myself or beyoncé

both of us are better than them

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

beyonce is shit lol

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

post it on Plan B instead Lex, no indie loosers there ;) ;)

― new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

*cough* Popjustice?

― new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

you'd just get a load of indie losers being snarky at either myself or beyoncé

what changed between 2003 (where a Beyonce thread probably would've motored quite well) and now then?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

loads of idiots joined ilm? old-ilm are all jaded and bitter now?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

other proposals

TEN WORD POST MINIMUM DECEMBER
TEN WORD THREAD MAXIMUM JANUARY
NO UPPER CASE SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

as i say, the battle has been won. or the battle lines are so hard that no-one on either side cares any more.

xpost

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

By dint of the "bored office workers" majority demographic I would doubt whether much in-depth discussion is practicable on ILM, since that requires mental acuity and tactical thinking, and since most of us are compelled to expend both of these on our dreary but vital day jobs, there isn't much brain space left for anything other than silly lists, in-jokes, nyarks &c.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if steve wd've got behind this initiative if harvell had brought it up...

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

harvell wouldn't have brought it up because i think he likes having such obviously pathetic people/threads around as fuel for his uh "internet bullying" wankerish tendencies

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

but you wouldn't get any of the latter, you'd just get a load of indie losers being snarky at either myself or beyoncé

What about every time someone wants to discuss, I dunno, Wilco or Arcade Fire or something similar and then everyone jumps on that being equally snarky? Lex, you of all people shouldn't be complaining like this.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

jess shoots first, asking the questions is for pansies - so it's moot, benrico

his actions do at least mean no heavy moderating i do this month (locking list threads mainly) will be worse than anything done on ILM before tho - a huge relief.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

the popularity of this thread is damning in itself

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

This would mean that ILM has always been this way and things have not deteriorated. Perhaps it is just the distinct decrease in threads started (possibly linked to OTT moderation ha ha, tho I doubt it myself, naturally) these days that makes bored list threads attract greater distinction and disdain.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

the popularity of this thread is damning in itself

we have to keep it bumped tho!

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

If Lex Of All People moderates ILM it will turn into an unwanted cross between Popjustice and Dissensus where he sits on people until they agree that Ciara is great and the sea is orange, etc.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

couldn't there be some kind of rolling thread for that beyonce single. rolling r'nb or something? more ghettos yeh but if it can't sustain a thread of it's own why not? what about lj poptimists? that place surely is the elephant in the corner of this discussion anyway.

― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'M IN YR LIST, TROLLING YR POSTS

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

Do we propose to follow NO LIST NOVEMBER with DO LIST DECEMBER?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

The only way that ILX has gone downhill is the increase of people being bitchy about other peoples tastes and writing styles. Banning list threads isn't going to mitigate anything.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

DE SIST DE CEMBER

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Also: Jaded ILX residents getting het up because younger, perhaps more eager and impressionable people who haven't heard of Freaky Trigger or Poptimism are spoiling their little clique is what's happened to ILX.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

Could be a good plot for a sitcom, that.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Also: Jaded ILX residents (Richard Briers, Anton Rogers) getting het up because younger, perhaps more eager and impressionable people who haven't heard of Freaky Trigger or Poptimism (Alex Zane, Skeet Ulrich) are spoiling their little clique is what's happened to ILX.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

perhaps more ~~eager~~reactionary and ~~impressionable~~ ignorant people

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

How strange that the standard of writing and debate on ILx was so much higher when it was only our "little clique" posting on it.

*quickly looks back to 2000/1 for verification of above but discovers things were in actual fact much the same bah*

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

what are you saying, steve?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

stevem = zach braff and he's trying' goddam hard to keep the peace!

― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Zach%20Braff-19.jpg

NO JUMPER DECEMBER

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

i started off as JD but became Dr Cox. Marcello is still Bob Kelso tho.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

There has been a decline in discussion but I don't think it can be chalked up entirely to the newer members. I imagine I would be considered one of the more verbose people on ILM and my posts feel comparatively very short now. I get the same impression looking at posters I'd previously have expected to indulge in long exhaustive dissertations.

I suspect part of it is that the people who historically have tended to be more thoughtful/in-depth in their posting have either a) left; or b) grown comfortable with eachother's differences in tastes such that they're more likely to go unacknowledged these days, or even if it's remarked upon it's not considered worthy of looking into. Having "battles" to fight is a part of this but only a part.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

also i would say again, altho no lists month was my suggestion, there is no way i would've gone ahead and locked new lists unless enough people supported the idea (as they seem to have done). this is all reminiscent of the 'make reg only' argument a year or so ago.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

*quickly looks back to 2000/1 for verification of above but discovers things were in actual fact much the same bah*

yes. i don't see any drop in quality, just a rise in quantity.

The way people have dealt with posters like Charlie Howard and Louis Jagger in recent months is utterly revolting. ILX is something like the 125th biggest messageboard on the net and it is Googlable so of course you're going to see "amateur" posters and *gasp* students wanting to contribute. There's a lot more to No-List November than a mere ban on lists. And for goodness sake, who goes round reading every single thread on ILM anyway? If you hate list threads then don't fucking read them. If you want in-depth discussion then start contributing it instead of sitting around complaining about how you remember when ILX was all fields full of goodly, educated, anti-rockist grammar-fiends from the city.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

I get the same impression looking at posters I'd previously have expected to indulge in long exhaustive dissertations.

agreed. i'd be surprised if anyone could keep up the same attitude and energy after 5-6 years. Geir has sort of managed it, but he's never cared about anybody else's opinions - only his own - which doesn't make for good thread (even roffle scope is down on previous levels)

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

yes. i don't see any drop in quality, just a rise in quantity.

try 02/03 rather than 00/01 (when there were only 20 people on here!) - altho we see what we want to see perhaps.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

also it may be that the "long exhaustive dissertations" have moved sideways into blogland. I moved that side of things onto CoM etc. a long while back so don't tend to do any of it here.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

There's a lot more to No-List November than a mere ban on lists.

Actually I'm not sure there is.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

I moved that side of things onto CoM etc. a long while back so don't tend to do any of it here.

A shame that people can't answer back/respond on many of these blogs.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

pls only intelligent white university educated journalists who like XXX music post all others banned you fucking fucking idiots fuck off

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

if this is serious (and it ppears so my list thread locked) then bye bye you dumb fucks

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

LOOK THIS IS THE KINDA THREAD THAT MAKES ILM GOOD

keep it up

― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

if this is serious (and it ppears so my list thread locked) then bye bye you dumb fucks

see you next month!

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

Even 04/05 yielded some excellent arguments/discussions about pop and dance music - Vahid a key figure w/r/t the latter due to his opposition to so much comfortable consensus. I think to keep things interesting you need those injections of smart + unique positions to keep people on their toes. Even the Rolling threads don't have a huge amount of people seeking to defend their position anymore.

I utterly disagree with the notion that high-quality threads come from smug intelligentsia consensus circle-jerks. Almost all of the threads where I might think "I'm pretty pleased with what I wrote in that thread" were threads where I was sweating to justify a position that someone had just knocked several holes through. I suspect the same goes for many posters here.

x-post re blogs unfortunately I moved in the other direction! ILM was like a cancer that began nawing away at my blog within months of me starting it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

pls only intelligent white university educated journalists who like XXX music post all others banned you fucking fucking idiots fuck off
-- sans grundies (yp...), November 2nd, 2006 2:03 PM. (bulbs)

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if this is serious (and it ppears so my list thread locked) then bye bye you dumb fucks
-- sans grundies (yp...), November 2nd, 2006 2:04 PM. (bulbs)

This is the gloomy well I'm looking into at the moment myself.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

A shame that people can't answer back/respond on many of these blogs.

I generally feel that comments boxes on blogs are a waste of time. Most people who want to respond to something I write to CoM email me or do so on their own blogs, and we start conversations that way and don't get detoured by trolls or spammers. Seems to work well enough.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

see you next month? for what shit for brains? or is it a joke? ho ho ho the fascist man that hangs over our heads?

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

As I said, there are more urgent and key issues for moderators to address than list threads.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

Almost all of the threads where I might think "I'm pretty pleased with what I wrote in that thread" were threads where I was sweating to justify a position that someone had just knocked several holes through. I suspect the same goes for many posters here.

Yes, definitely. I think Louis J probably enjoyed this too, the 6 billion times it happened to him without actual abuse. I've never had a problem with people coming on here being naive or just trite about things because most people on ILM went thru same process. As long as they're prepared to be challenged vigorously on their views by those who disagree or feel that they've not considered the whole picture. I can't deny I enjoy or have enjoyed arguing with the likes of Doglatin, Nick S, Benrique and Marcello in this respect. But with so many subjects done and dusted it's difficult to see progress.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

As I said, there are more urgent and key issues for moderators to address than list threads.

Yes but you failed to explain who these supposed careerist trolls are, or how they might actually be dealt with. As has been noted before some people cannot actually be banned becuase they circumvent IP bans and whatnot too easily. The only thing you can do in these cases is adapt your own attitude and hope they do same.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

Fair enough, but it gets to the point where I wonder why have a public blog at all (I appreciate the risk of spam, trolling etc. - esp. when writing so provocatively).

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

canwe have a no arseholes december?

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

maybe a "no guitars in miusic" january?

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

a "no posters older than 23" february?

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

enforcable

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

maybe you should've thought of something better than 'o fuck you who cares why' to write as explanation for starting your list thread if you wanted it to exist in this month of all months?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

u. do you know of the variety of whys and wheres that people use and enjoy this board? weird.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

A whole month of this crap to go yet...I am firing my advisors for failing to foresee this inevitable side effect.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

ha!

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

still seems dumb

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

stevem - i see your point, and that's why we seem to have a new thread about Rockism for instance every month. i think people do sometimes forget that there are such things as noobs on this board who haven't had the time to mature as "ILX people" (if there is such a thing) and read the endless discussions and throwdowns. Things change, attitudes change, people change too and there is no right or wrong. The Anti-Rockist Pro-Pop thing is taken as a given now on ILX but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the correct and true light, it's an opinion that most people agreed on in the early days of the board. The point is you never know when some jumped up sixth-former's going to come in and give everyone a new slant on the latest Panic At The Disco album that'll bowl everyone over and snap them out of their previously comfortable hivemind sensibility.

As for blogs, they're all very well but i don't really read them. marcello's right - they open up commentary but not much discussion. also blogs are very "me me me", which is fine but the organic nature of ilx means that threads can derail several times if they want to.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Dissensus doesn't seem to have problems with banning trolls even if they can twist and twirl around the IP forest, but then they do use different (better? more expensive?) software. There are careerist trolls here, and by careerist I mean that they literally don't have anything more substantial to contribute to the boards than ugly and inconsiderate insults. We don't need to look far for prime examples.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

i do know a lot of people here are sick of the list threads (not just me). but hey if you don't like it, don't read it - if you don't agree with it, don't listen to it' amirite.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

The point is you never know when some jumped up sixth-former's going to come in and give everyone a new slant on the latest Panic At The Disco album that'll bowl everyone over and snap them out of their previously comfortable hivemind sensibility.

if they do manage this it won't be one of those cocking list threads tho will it?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

fer fucks sakes.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Lists and trolls neither unique to nor end of ilx shockah

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

i think we skipped stage 2 but otherwise OTM!1!

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, and this thread = stage 5. Acually implementing it = stage 6a.

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

The way people have dealt with posters like Charlie Howard and Louis Jagger in recent months is utterly revolting.

-- wogan lenin

agree

― new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

we've been in stage 6a and 6b generally for well over 2 years now tho ledge!

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

i don't reaaly understand it all.
never mind. doen\sn't matter. take it. take it all. do what you will. I'm sure the music world will be much better for it.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

So things haven't changed! Why 2 rokc boat?

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

Not that it bothers me, as long as it's just seen as a bit of harmless fun, not an issue for wholesale threadlocking and internecine warfare.

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

But with so many subjects done and dusted it's difficult to see progress.

Yes, exactly -- people have good memories around here and are bound to get a little cranky when new posters start threads about topics we've already discussed a million times.

That's the nice thing about the endlessly rolling threads. The background discussion is right there so there's no excuse for not knowing what has been discussed previously. Also, it really is a lot easier to revive old related threads than to start new ones. That way, you don't have to try to piece together everyone's opinion on a topic by searching out ten different loosely related threads.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

Idea of militantly locking or deleting all pointless list threads = classic.

Going "hey everyone! It's No List November!" so that dozens of people are compelled to start a lists threads just to annoy Stevem, or alternatively use it as an excuse to get on their usual meta-hobbyhorses = dud.

If anything's had an effect on the direction many threads take, it's that the points made/questions asked in the initial post are often non-existent or just aren't up to much. There's a reason why people like Tom E were so good at starting threads and why they usually led to quite fruitful discussion.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

gotta say, cheers for the defence wogan and new new wave...

as far as i'm concerned, it was a little bizarre to observe such a rigid set of politics here having initially googled this place and being enthused to come across a place where i could discuss music (all genres) with a bunch of like-minded people. it didn't really turn out to be the case, but i nonetheless get enough of a positive reception overall to keep coming back. what i like about ilm is that for just about every band i like, there's someone else who can relate and identify with my own thoughts and ideas. what i dislike intensely is that i occasionally get persecuted for my taste in music, when i consider it far and away more diverse and well-founded than than your average joe on the street. i'll occasionally get mildly stoned and post on here when i'm in a reflective frame of mind. the fact that i'm frequently called to task is a little disconcerting and, might i say, unnecessary.

cheers

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

'discuss music' is the key, as opposed to 'list music'

so can we move on now?

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it's the case of we've actually discussed EVERYTHING that is theoretical about music now and the only new threads that need to be posted are about new releases and new events. Although I find it hard to believe.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

yeah yeah. also some of us come here to play. to exchange fun info with others about topics/themes in music. mebbe i don't rememmber too meany of the songs listed in an alex in nyc thread re lists of songs abt - i dunno - junkies say : who cares? i love music and i like to play with people and learn somrthing.

its just a random bitch closure. closing off peoples fun for a while. and justifying it with some fascist bullshit.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Either that or the majority are sick of those bullshit threads and finally something is being done about them with a few dissenters bitching/starting stupid ass threads i.e. democracy.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

'discuss music' is the key, as opposed to 'list music'

organising info gathered from external sources around a topic is usually called research.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

The most insidious thing about the list threads is that it's hard not to post in them when you have a really good example of whatever it is ("Vomit sounds in a song? I know a great one!") but they're really boring to read.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

how about http://forums.hipinion.com/ ?

― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

asking people to list a bunch of songs about a subject because you can't gather them yourself = pretty lazy research

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

Clearly if we are to believe the careerist trolls NAZI GERMANY STARTED IN NOVEMBER.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

are you shittin me steve or just bein contrary?

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sorry all you whiners but "What's the best track 6 on every album ever" is the kind of thing you are defending and you've gotta take into account it is boring, that sort of thing, for some people to look at and kind of super annoying and if you don't like it December 1st is only a few weeks away.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

i don't really care about lists particulary (there are other ways of sharing ideas on music, sure) but the list threads lend variety and range to this site. i'll respond to any thread if it engages me, it really doesn't matter what form it takes, it just depends on whether i have any thoughts to contribute.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

i'm saying how hard is it really to build up a list of songs about a particular subject without using ILM? not hard at all. see also using Google or Wikipedia instead of asking asinine 'waht is it made' questions on ILX.

the Admin Log is twice as long now as it was before NLN started ha ha

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

asking people to list a bunch of songs about a subject because you can't gather them yourself = pretty lazy research

Sometimes people have a genuine need for these lists though, like they're trying to make a mixtape for their mate who famously threw up all over a visiting dignitary's hat (or something, I dunno). The times I have started a list thread, it's been for a genuine reason though, such as I have a DJ set coming up and need some suggestions. I don't really understand many of the list threads but then I think "well, whatever floats your boat".

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

oh jeesus. chips are boring. do without them for a month sez uk govt.

DON'T CLICK ON LIST THREADS. DON't BUY CHIPS.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

just seems like someones flexing their power.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

oh pleeze protect us from ourselves!

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Don't like? Don't read. Any other solution appears cnutish PUN NOT INTENDED

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

who is this sans grundies?

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

the whole 'don't click on it' thing is stupid because it's often not the content that people are objecting to but the concept itself. obv. some list concepts are fine.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Don't like the news? Don't read it.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Don't like Tony Blairs? Don't vote for him!

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

who is this sans grundies?

this is about to turn nasty! *covers eyes*

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

jagga, please.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

sans grundies morelike bill grundy amirite?

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

1) stevem is a cunt
2) this idea is fucking stupid
3) stevem, get a fucking life
4) i am always amused by marcello whining about "careerist trolls"
5) i fucking hope that nu-ilx rids us of certain admins who have nothing better to do than this shit

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

From the FAQ's for you list people who just don't get it.

Illiteracy, treating ILM as your personal music bank and forum for piracy, posting of not-safe-for-work pictures, pointless list threads incessant self-promotion, in short killing music by not talking about it. While not encouraged, moderators will at times take apparently arbitrary action against general idiocy when the signal-noise ratio exceeds their personal sanity threshold. When they do so, this is generally both unfortunate and completely understandable.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

also: please steve i'm useless with the web. the thread you closed for me: songs about hating music. do me a google and wikipedia searh and find me some. ok? do it prove it. then open thread see if i get better results.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

stop trying to get other people to do your 'research' for you.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

The Research is a pop band from Wakefield, United Kingdom. The members are: Russell 'The Disaster' (vocals/keyboards), Georgia (bass/vocals), and Sarah (drums/vocals). Their songs - typically about themes of love, loss and fear - are notable for their plaintive lyrics, vocal harmonies, and use of a synthesizer in place of a guitar.

In February 2006 they released their debut album Breaking Up. They are signed to At Large Recordings, a subsidiary of EMI.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

if you're interested in more words of wisdom from EstieButtez1 the poor guy has a myspace here and a livejournal here where he expresses his true thoughts. seems like an okay guy deep down!

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, starting a nice thread with a big opening 'gambit' only to see it descend into a list type thread, is a
draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Not a major drag, just a
draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

stevem vs Estie is probably the only interesting ILX fite we've had this year. Mickey vs Noize Board at a push, perhaps.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

o my. when did it become some nasty here? steve? whats happening?

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Yep, stevem isn't coming off as a cunt here. Good for him!

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

So why does he invariably act like a cunt when he's on here? (stevem xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.zero.co.nz/music/images/The%20Charlatans%20-%20Some%20Friendly.jpg

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

As I suggested on CoM, maybe the way forward is to institute a pay-per-thread/pay-per-post system and operate it like a pay-as-you-go mobile. Perhaps if people had to pay, they'd think more carefully before posting. I'm sure it's not impossible for a Paypal or equivalent mechanism to be set up.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

marcello, that's practically fascism

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah but The Guardian is only paying Passantino a mere pittance.

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

no, it's just a really bad idea.

xpost

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

'killing music by not talking about it'

that doesn't really make much sense. if anything, overanalysing and discussing music ad nauseum can kill the intended effect of a record. if i was to write a novella about 'fun house' for instance, my dissertation would probably wind up pretty far removed from my impression when listening to the actual songs. not to say that in-depth discussion and heated analysis is bad, it's just that an unspoken feeling about a particular record can be equally powerful as one that's laboured to death.

by the way 'some friendly'' kicks some chronic ass. only record i truly like by that band in fact.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

by the way 'some friendly'' kicks some chronic ass.

BAN CHARLIE HOWARD

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

i think we should all be nice to dom today because he won't want his birthday happiness spoilt by nasty ilx baiting :-(

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see how it's fascism. Such a system would necessitate a specific and traceable email address, which would in turn make it easier for persistent trolls to be sent packing from the boards and make it harder for them to sneak back on using aliases. And it would increase the quality of threads and posts, since, as I said, you'd have to think long and hard about what you were going to post, instead of just firing off arbitrary rubbish.

Anyone unhappy with that state of affairs would of course be at complete liberty to start their own messageboards, utilising their own time and resources to run them.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

maybe we need "pontificate" and "dumb shit" boards.
i can't belive thats not a carbonara carbonai post (dumb shit board for me then)

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

can we use Second Life credits for this system?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

the hell, boy?

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

Like you are at complete liberty to start your own messageboard with your incredibly fucked-up idea, Marcello!

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

also steve you wanna tell ME about research? haha boy. nice try.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

I'm all for vigiliantly deleting inane list threads. However, valiant as it is to attempt to moderate ILM back into its heyday, it's not actually going to work. There's no point pruning the hedges when the cats keep shitting on your lawn.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

also steve you wanna tell ME about research?

look i've told you already, do your own dirty work

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

However, valiant as it is to attempt to moderate ILM back into its heyday, it's not actually going to work.

don't tell anyone but really this is just my own way of going out with a bang

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

someone kill him

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

ilx is ok right now. bit silly today obv. get used to it, listies.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

gently. its only in the last few months he's gone quite insane. seemed a nice boy. dunno what happened. sad.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

The other possibility is Year Zero with the new server - instead of getting automatically transferred to nu-nu-ILx (which I assume is what will happen, unless Norm knows different) everyone has to re-apply for admission to the boards. If the Shadowy Cabal decides that letting them in is going to have a deleterious effect on the boards then they don't get in - only those who have proven or potential ability to bring something positive, useful and interesting to ILx, who all get a personal password so that troublesome outsiders can't infiltrate the boards.

It's not democracy, but I don't see any reference anywhere on ILx about it being a democracy; and if it means more civil and informative messageboards, then IMHO it's a price worth paying.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not arrogant enough to do the 'i don't even know who you are' thing (xpost)

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Before I head off for bed: Here's an idea. Let's have the current ILM hedgemony have their own secret club board where they can talk about Girls Aloud and its relationship to summer scarfs and careerist trolls and the like. Then give us uneducated plebs a board where we can discuss music without fear of Marcello snorting derisively at our tastes or admins having a hissy fit about lists.

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah because you are always discussing music.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

why not use I Pwn Everything for your little mewsings like you're already doing? or are you concerned that the audience is not big enough?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

well tht seems possible Marcello...a coterie. Not really interested meself but have fun.

― sans grundies (bulbs), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Now, this is going to shock you beyond belief, but a lot of people (myself included) would like to have an intelligent discussion about music but alas, the state of ILM renders such an endeavour almost impossible due to the admins and "favoured posters" that lord over things here.

More importantly, I fear Passantino is trying to revive that "ska punk" meme on 1p3.

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Best meme ever.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

However, valiant as it is to attempt to moderate ILM back into its heyday, it's not actually going to work.

IT WOULD IF I WAS IN CHARGE!

the trouble is the current moderators are not HARSH enough.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

What if they start banning Paris threads, Lex? Lex? LEEEX?

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

Lex OTM with that last sentence.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only one who feels starting threads is a waste of time? Nobody reads them!

You post on the existing merry go round unless it is something of vast importance like "I hate all hiphop" or "fuck minimal house" in which case you can start a thread.

This seems problematic. What if I want to start a thread about one artist, it just gets drowned in the flood...

Of course maybe nobody likes said artist and that's just the way it is, but either way, I seldom start ILM threads anymore...

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but estie 'they' won't because 'they' are good people who understand the importance of paris.

i actually find it difficult to pinpoint exactly who is so bad about current-ilx because apart from cunts like jess/blount/jed it's all people i've never heard of with stupid nonsensical usernames.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

ronan i remember you started the 'what else is there' rmx thread. MORE LIKE THAT PLEASE.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

Like "The Lex" for instance (xpost).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

the importance of paris

This is why I like The Lex so much ^___^

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

isn't there a class where kids get taught what fascism is?

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

What if I want to start a thread about one artist, it just gets drowned in the flood...

i've always liked threads about one artist or one piece of music...maybe more than genres/scenes because they get so weighed down by sense of 'must define this properly and judge it's importance in grand scheme of things' shit more readily

more specific focus on ILM would be good imo

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

you've heard of me though. everyone bloody seems to have heard of me.

xp to marcello

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

ronan i remember you started the 'what else is there' rmx thread.

the thread about 'Gazebo' was classic for me because i did a complete U-turn on the track by virtue of the thread's process (me coming in as disliking it but others like convincing me to rethink more)

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, I should reiterate that the problem is the elitism of the current ILM hedgemony. The same people who are saying that ILM is not elitist enough. I think that certain people just want to convert ILM into their little own elite club which is alright if we had another music board for open discussion without all this shit.

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

everyone bloody seems to have heard of me.

well you do insist on shouting so loud

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

i've always liked threads about one artist or one piece of music...

yeah - the rolling genre threads are an amazing resource but it can be, er, intimidating trying to post on them because they're filled with genre specialists who know the genre inside out and anything you want to say gets said three months before you've even heard what you want to talk about.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

I see no advantage in ILM turning into a fan board for various female celebrities who get Lex stimulated.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, it would be an improvment.

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

an actually firin' discussion is like garlic and holy water to a 'careerist troll' anyway. any time you have a few people trading an idea back and forth, something specific, actually riffing on each other, nobody is there dicking around with them.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Possibly an "improvement" too. (xpost)

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

esteban i've never read one actual thing you've said about music anywhere.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

he asked us to stop being mean about British Sea Power once.

then he went on a Girls ALoud thread to call everyone on it a cunt.

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

incisive

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

i actually find it difficult to pinpoint exactly who is so bad about current-ilx because apart from cunts like jess/blount/jed it's all people i've never heard of with stupid nonsensical usernames.

I would like to see Lex's list ;)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

being a troll magnet is about as bad as being a troll anyway.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

NO NEW THREAD DECEMBER: there's an idea

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

the difference between ILM now and ILM 'then' is that 'then' nobody would go and start a thread on the basis of my previous post (i mean my previous post specifically on this thread, not my previous post on any previous thread...altho...)

lame

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

They do a pretty good Kaiser Chiefs, though.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

nobody would go and start a thread on the basis of my previous post

Sorry for totally ruining your day!

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

how are you coping with the mass increase in traffic to your myspace?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

are you really just 21 esteban?

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Can we turn this into a King Crimson threaD?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

Good idea. We can get Geir involved in that!

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

Can we just lock this thread altogether now? Geoff's post aside, there's nothing new here except increasingly lame attempts at humour and impotent tantrums masquerading as controversial opinion.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

matt all of your posts across the boreds are variations on this theme.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

I was wondering when somebody was going to say "oh, all these 'differing opinions' are just 'juvenile rants' so sez me", so thanks for that!

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

i would but then n00bs will complain if their list threads get locked cos they didn't see this notice.

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

why did Pashmina have to go on holiday in this week of all weeks?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

i modestly offer my services as stormtrooper in the present struggles against the list menace.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Common sense.
x-post

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

matt all of your posts across the boreds are variations on this theme.
-- benrique (miltonpinsk...), November 2nd, 2006 4:16 PM.

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I was wondering when somebody was going to say "oh, all these 'differing opinions' are just 'juvenile rants' so sez me", so thanks for that!
-- wordy rappaport (estiebuttez...), November 2nd, 2006 4:16 PM.

Wow. That told me.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

now go and eat an egg and anchovy sandwich

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

egg and...anchovy? do those exist?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

esteban, what is your opinion, on anything? don't make a big fucking deal out of it like a 13 year old, just tell us. not too hard.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

i've had chili/anchovy/egg tapas before.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

it's a heartbreaker, but i can't remember any of your opinions, geoff. i do know that esteban is a trenchant critic of british girl bands and their fans.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Chilli, anchovy and egg all together? How does that taste?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

haha well i stay clear of ilm mostly!!

i like cameo a lot, check the noiz bored.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

disgusting, i expect! but i hate chillis and anchovies so i would say that.

eggs are AMAZING though

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

esteban, what is your opinion, on anything?

I still think there is still a massive shortfall of synths in modern music.

I loathe anchovy.

This was an OK question. Not bad but not great either.

Also, I don't hate all British girl bands!

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

it was more of a 'pincho' than a tapas.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

+ i write occasionally for the free weekly in minneapolis, and IN MY OPINION it is gauche to link yr own writing on ilx or even refer to it.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

I have half a mind to try that chilli and anchovy combo though. It sounds like the kind of hugely unpleasant mix of flavours that would appeal to me. Especially with added lemon juice. Washed down with tequila.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

I still think there is still a massive shortfall of synths in modern music.

I loathe anchovy.

i agree on both counts!

what actually was it though alan? anchovies garnished with some unholy egg (boiled?) and chilli mixture?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

other boards to try which ILx types frequent:

http://community.livejournal.com/poptimists/ (they seem to like lists, well polls)

http://www.dissensus.com/ (not so hot on lists but like hauntology. john searle reported "un-shook")

― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

anchovies are the best. eating them suddently makes it 1938.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

IN MY OPINION it is gauche to link yr own writing on ilx or even refer to it.
-- geoff (gffcnn...), November 2nd, 2006.

^^^ co-sign! ^^^

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

(they seem to like lists, well polls)

poptimists polls generate some decent talking points even if it's often raking over familiar turf...it's not for everyone tho

polls would save ILM!

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

IN MY OPINION it is gauche to link yr own writing on ilx or even refer to it.

what about plugging your own band lol

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

also, in my opinion, this sandwich would kick ass: heavy rye bread, provologne, a little horseradish, sprouts, cucumber, sliced avocado, anchovy, salt and pepper.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

People who put anchovies in a Caesar Salad deserve to be shot.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

it was a lovely fresh green chili skewered onto a bit of boiled egg and... wait maybe it was a prawn. OH NOES. forget everything. i just love anchovies so they fall into the gaps of all my memories. which makes for some great reminiscing i can tell you. did i ever tell you about the time i fell into the park pond while driving around on my anchovy.

28 years old i was

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

plugging yr own band is fine! having a band is at least an act of hope. writing is just sad.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

People who put anchovies in a Caesar Salad deserve to be shot.

this thread is BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER! i totally agree.

a prawn would have been ok. prawns are num num num. i love seafood. lobster, octopus, calamari, moules, CAN'T GET ENOUGH.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

Fritto misto di mare ftw.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Seafood restaurant Dom Passantino recommends: http://www.london-eating.co.uk/3271.htm

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

mm, central.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

Prawns make me violently ill which is annoying as I love all other seafood but most restaurants appear to chuck prawns into any seafood dish as a matter of course. It's like trying to go to a Chinese restaurant with a nut allergy.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's marvellous that you have banned lists to make people talk more about music. It's working too!

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

that place looks great dom but where the fuck is n21?

a life without prawns is an unfortunate life indeed. matt dc explained!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

winchmore hill is like... suffolk.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

15 minutes from Highbury and Islington.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

this is more like it http://www.london-eating.co.uk/478.htm

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

(contrary to what maria watkins may say - the crazy foo')

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

that's good eatin'

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

that looks good as well.

i'm going to busaba eathai for the first time tonight.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

who is this eathai and what does busbaing them entail?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

http://991.com/newgallery/Billy-Bragg-Talking-With-The-245300.jpg

― David A. (Davant), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

[haxx removed]

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

That isn't a random picture, even if it seems to be. Just a response to an earlier side issue. The difficult third salad.

― David A. (Davant), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

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