― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chriddof (Chriddof), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Four Words: Use Other Words Please"Use other words please."Commonly used phrases that inexplicably bug youMost irritating cliche/phrase/expression"Taking Things to a Whole `Nother Level!" words that annoyWords that should earn the author a slapPROVERBIAL and other tip offs to poor writing
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)
-- caitlin (wpsal...) (webmail), December 23rd, 2003. (caitlin)
Oh yes, yes yes. I second that one. And the people who say it, say it over and over.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)
I also have a horror of people who write prolifically in all caps.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)
This is true.
But, this is a topic that should be dealt with routinely and harshly... the only way we can correct the language and suppress it's organic growth is by exposing and banning every new usage as it occurs... Isn't that what the French do?
― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)
Also: 'fridge,' girls who refer to each other as 'girl,' proactive...i'll be back when i think of more....
― roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― BrianB (BrianB), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Melly E (Melly E), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― barbara wintergreen, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)
'poetic justice'. Used by the lazy to describe all 'justice' the speaker approves of, instead of a particular type. The adjective is rendered meaningless.
Agree re 'bird' for woman/girl, and lament its threatened return. Stinks of 'I'm being un-PC, where's my medal?'. Also the C-person uses it, which kinda ends the argument.
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― barbara wintergreen, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― ermes marana, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago)
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:32 (nineteen years ago)
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:33 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:34 (nineteen years ago)
Wait, huh? Fridge is the thing you put food in, whats wrong with it?
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:10 (nineteen years ago)
I'm picturing him saying things such as "Would you like me to remove another beverage from the refrigerator for you, whilst we watch some association football?"
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago)
― naus (Robert T), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)
― jimmy glass (electricsound), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:46 (nineteen years ago)
Are we now so old that we're getting nostalgic about words, usages and phrases that used to annoy us?
― Alba, Tuesday, 17 June 2025 20:02 (two weeks ago)
https://xkcd.com/1210
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 June 2025 20:03 (two weeks ago)
kind of poetic, random now means dumb when nice used to mean accurate
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 17 June 2025 20:51 (two weeks ago)
“Random” was a term Bill Gates used as an insult for poor work or thought. Is what I heard.
― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 17 June 2025 21:05 (two weeks ago)
i associate it with absurdist humor, non-sequiturs, space ghost coast to coast type stuff
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 June 2025 21:18 (two weeks ago)
I remember a period of everyone saying random too, but not the break in meaning - it was to convey a situation being crazy, not lame. This still meant it got abused a lot, because teens have a low threshold for what is considered bizarre, but it wouldn't be random to, say, get assigned homework.
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 07:03 (one week ago)
I do like the term "rando" as applied to a complete-and-not-totally-welcome stranger. Bonus points awarded when prefaced with "fuckin'".
― henry s, Wednesday, 18 June 2025 14:36 (one week ago)
hahaha, I had a co-worker that would walk into a place and she'd say "ugh, bunch of randos and fuckin' casuals" which would always delight me
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 15:03 (one week ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MvMRdX2k5g
― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 18:50 (one week ago)
yeah, 'rando' is a good one, no other word really conveys that usage
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 18 June 2025 18:55 (one week ago)
I'm very disappointed that my fellow Americans have never embraced "saddo," which is a brilliant and extremely useful word that applies to tons of pop culture figures. "Sadboi" just doesn't have the knife-in-the-ribs quality I'm after.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 18:57 (one week ago)
it was to convey a situation being crazy, not lame
I know this version as well... it's a very flexible word, depends on how you utter it
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:05 (one week ago)
... a very random word even
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― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:11 (one week ago)
There’s always sad sack
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:13 (one week ago)
in america we just cast the sexual viability of the saddo in doubt eg virgin vs chad memes. or just use "loser". like, being sad is not an issue if you're successful (see: drake). i'm assuming we're mostly talking about men here, for some reason that's obscure to me i don't think "saddo" is used to describe women much if at all.
― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:33 (one week ago)
I can imagine a woman calling herself a saddo but not anyone else calling a woman that, for some reason.
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:35 (one week ago)
no you wouldn't, a woman is a sadda
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:42 (one week ago)
haa
― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 18 June 2025 19:51 (one week ago)
Saddx
― sarahell, Thursday, 19 June 2025 00:18 (one week ago)
My kid had a 13 yo friend over recently who was throwing “aesthetic” around nonstop. I have tried to talk to my child about the definition of “aesthetic” and “iconic” and I have given up. Language moves on, but it’s startling to see language mutate so quickly.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, June 17, 2025 3:42 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
The thing that drives me nuts about how “aesthetic” is being used now is that we already have a word for it - stylish. What the fuck is wrong with "stylish"?
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 19 June 2025 08:52 (one week ago)
great stuff
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2025 11:48 (one week ago)
"Aesthetic" entered common use in English relatively recently. And it meant not "stylish" but rather "valuing appearance for its own sake" per the 19th century Aesthetic Movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aestheticism?wprov=sfla1
The more standard meaning today is more neutral and less normative; "the study or theory of..." with the "of" meaning stuff like beauty and humor and sexiness but also the lack of such - ugliness and blandness are also asthetic judgments.
Which is derived from how aesthetics is/was treated in philosophy, both ancient and modern. That academic sense has become the standard common meaning, but it was not so 150 years ago.
So not to be all "well ackshually," but the use of "aesthetic" to mean "pleasing" would have been recognizable to Walter Pater. He would have grokked a modern 13-year-old.
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 19 June 2025 12:33 (one week ago)
I had a related issue some time ago about the word "intuitive." Like an actual out-loud argument in a newsroom.
Someone had used "intuitive" as praise for someone "John Doe is courageous, dedicated, and intuitive." My fellow copywriter and I were like, "intuitive of WHAT?"
The writer meant "able to intuit things well," akin to "perceptive." But the current meaning is more "easy to understand and use," like a user interface.
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 19 June 2025 12:47 (one week ago)
XPOST - I'm familiar with the aesthetic movement, thanks. I doubt, however, the majority tweens out there using it as an adjective know any of the above. The way it's being used now does seem to basically mean that something is cool/ looks good / is stylish. They are not using it in the sense that someone might have 150 years ago come on.
https://nassauweekly.com/the-problem-with-calling-something-aesthetic/
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 19 June 2025 13:21 (one week ago)
it’s like someone calling an activity difficult “at altitude,” and I’m just “at WHAT altitude, there are many.”
― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Thursday, 19 June 2025 13:26 (one week ago)
"Stylish" is a word my grandmother would have recognised. "Aesthetic" to say something looks nice would have left her befuddled.
When faced with those two options, any sane young person should use option two.
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 19 June 2025 14:41 (one week ago)
honestly I'm struggling to think of a scenario where this phrase would be ambiguous.
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 June 2025 18:23 (one week ago)
iirc hunt3r is a mountain dude so like 6,000 ft vs 10,000 feet vs 14,000 ft are worth differentiating
― five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Thursday, 19 June 2025 18:34 (one week ago)
"At altitude" is the same thing as "at scale" or "at speed."
"Can your product deliver these results at scale?"
"Yes."
(As long as the scale is microscopic.)
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 19 June 2025 19:12 (one week ago)
you say "at altitude" when you mean "at high altitude". if you're already at high altitude and talking about an even higher altitude, you'd probably switch to actual elevations in meter or feet or whatever.
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 June 2025 19:17 (one week ago)
Hey man, pass the bong so that I can get at altitude
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 19 June 2025 19:19 (one week ago)
we used to use the term “get lifted” when we were talking about bongrips
― czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Friday, 20 June 2025 00:14 (one week ago)
"bongrips"
― Josefa, Friday, 20 June 2025 01:32 (one week ago)
lol
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 20 June 2025 01:33 (one week ago)
heavy
― czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Friday, 20 June 2025 19:16 (one week ago)
Em ee tee ayche oh dee man
― brimstead, Friday, 20 June 2025 20:20 (one week ago)
Wait so your work colleagues are asking about how intuitive a website is to someone who is high?
― sarahell, Saturday, 21 June 2025 00:34 (one week ago)
doing something "in anger" meaning, doing it fullythis is just an English thing as far as I know and it's very confusing
this is just an English thing as far as I know and it's very confusing
i think it's a WW2 thing - difference between drill and action
― stet, Saturday, 21 June 2025 16:42 (one week ago)
"love me some (xxxx)" I can't believe people are still writing like fucking Slingblade in 2025
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 26 June 2025 17:15 (five days ago)
"aesthetic"
I'm willing to be corrected, but that particular word reminds me of another thing that annoys me. It's cliche. Specifically the adjectivication of the word cliche. As in "that's so cliche".
I'm reasonably certain that adjectivication is the correct word. I had very little formal training in the English language. I cannot off the top of my head tell you the difference between an adverb and an adjective. I learned to write instinctively, by sniffing dog toys and playing with my mother's perfume. And then, as if by magic, I could write. In addition I also consumed a lot of written media and imitated it, just like an artificial intelligence, and just like an artificial intelligence I don't understand what any of it means or why it exists or anything.
On the other hand I know that I am real. I am here, right now. Standing on my own two feet. Which makes it difficult to type because I have to bend down. Perhaps I should use this chair that happens to be conveniently placed in front of my computer. SIT CHAIR. It worked. I'm going to go back on topic now. In my world something is a cliche. Something is such a cliche. Something has become a cliche. It is so cliched. All of this is fine and dandy, but "that's so cliche" is bad and wrong. It does not read Sutter Cane. It is bad and wrong.
You'll just have to mentally insert the accents. I'm not going to do it. I know how to do a euro sign. €. It's alt-gr and 4. A rare, rare use of the alt-gr key. I could copy and paste the accent but I'm not going to. When did I first read the word meme? Quite near the beginning of Deus Ex there's a bit of flavour text in a news bulletin that uses the word. Nowadays modern adventure games give the player a short mission objective with an arrow pointing at the next waypoint, but in those days it was still common for games to give the player nothing and expect them to read masses of flavour text to work out what to do. I'm looking at you, original System Shock.
So I consumed all the flavour text in Deus Ex. None of it was useful because it really was just padding. But it changed me. Made me the man I am today. Taught me that Icarus had found me and I should run while I could.
"The question must be asked: is the global rise of terrorism a haphazard response to a decimated economy or is there a pattern? Does UNATCO face coordinated ideological opposition? Some groups - Silhouette in France, for instance - have declared a "Meme War," or "war of meanings" in their terminology. ... With sophistries and doublespeak, they portray "freedom" as "obedience," "democracy" as "tyranny," and UNATCO as the perpetrator of terrorism—an idea as shocking as it is reprehensible."
I remember playing that game and thinking "in the future they will have email and computers and the world wide web" and it blew my mind.
― Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 26 June 2025 20:45 (five days ago)
By derivation, cliché was originally a past participle, as you can see by the accent.
I am in the minority in accepting its use as an adjective, akin to saying "overused" or for that matter "passé," also past participles that function fine as adjectives. One can think of it as either "that which has become overused," or as simply "overused."
Compare "the departed" or "the accused," past participles that can function as nouns or adjectives without it causing much trouble. Consider "The accused murderer was acquitted" vs. "The accused is innocent."
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 June 2025 21:48 (five days ago)
Also in the age of movable metal type, commonly-used phrases were cast as a single block. These blocks made a clicking noise like when placed in a row of type. Hence, cliché. Onomatopoeia.
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 June 2025 21:52 (five days ago)
Once again, I've never seen or heard "that's so cliche" or the like.
― Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 June 2025 21:53 (five days ago)
You’d say “that’s so clichéd” instead.
― einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Thursday, 26 June 2025 22:23 (five days ago)
I mean, like, yeah? Am I missing something here?
― Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 June 2025 22:35 (five days ago)
Attested in American Heritage dictionary circa 1950 but frowned upon by a majority of the usage panel.
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=clich%C3%A9#:~:text=As%20is%20the%20case%20with,single%2Dspaced%2C%20and%20fated.
― zydecodependent (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 June 2025 22:37 (five days ago)
Good link— I had no real understanding of the etymology of stereotype, which is discussed there, too.
― Theodor W. Adorbso (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 June 2025 01:06 (four days ago)
The Chronicle of Higher Ed hates “learnings” as much as we do
― sarahell, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 15:00 (four hours ago)