― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chriddof (Chriddof), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)
Four Words: Use Other Words Please"Use other words please."Commonly used phrases that inexplicably bug youMost irritating cliche/phrase/expression"Taking Things to a Whole `Nother Level!" words that annoyWords that should earn the author a slapPROVERBIAL and other tip offs to poor writing
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
-- caitlin (wpsal...) (webmail), December 23rd, 2003. (caitlin)
Oh yes, yes yes. I second that one. And the people who say it, say it over and over.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)
I also have a horror of people who write prolifically in all caps.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)
This is true.
But, this is a topic that should be dealt with routinely and harshly... the only way we can correct the language and suppress it's organic growth is by exposing and banning every new usage as it occurs... Isn't that what the French do?
― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)
Also: 'fridge,' girls who refer to each other as 'girl,' proactive...i'll be back when i think of more....
― roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― BrianB (BrianB), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melly E (Melly E), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― barbara wintergreen, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
'poetic justice'. Used by the lazy to describe all 'justice' the speaker approves of, instead of a particular type. The adjective is rendered meaningless.
Agree re 'bird' for woman/girl, and lament its threatened return. Stinks of 'I'm being un-PC, where's my medal?'. Also the C-person uses it, which kinda ends the argument.
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― barbara wintergreen, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― ermes marana, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)
Wait, huh? Fridge is the thing you put food in, whats wrong with it?
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)
― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)
I'm picturing him saying things such as "Would you like me to remove another beverage from the refrigerator for you, whilst we watch some association football?"
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)
― naus (Robert T), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)
― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)
― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)
― jimmy glass (electricsound), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)
a new meaning for "last month" that the kids have invented
― shaking babies (map), Thursday, 4 June 2026 19:51 (one week ago)
(I'm reminded of the time my OH described something as a 'scheme' in the US and the other person was very offended, as it has purely negative connotations we don't have here)
It means a council housing estate in Scotland and that usually comes with negative connotations!
― Tom D, focussed with getting on with the job (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 June 2026 19:55 (one week ago)
“a new meaning for "last month" that the kids have invented”
nah it’s been around for a minute
― spandex polka (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 June 2026 23:31 (one week ago)
Stick with me while I explain. Imagine I captioned a video “POV: You’re too short to reach the top shelf.” The usual expectation might be that the video will be shot from the point of view of a short person, with the camera tilted up longingly at something just out of reach. These days, though, a video with that title will often feature the short person right there in the middle of the frame, reaching and hopping. “POV: You just got a new haircut” won’t try to replicate somebody’s view of impressed friends offering compliments; it’ll point the camera directly at the haircut in question. The POV tag has developed a fresh meaning, something along the lines of “imagine this is you” or “this is what it’s like when” — it offers something more like a “fly on the wall” perspective than a literal point of view.
Jesus Christ man. What are we doing.
― a (waterface), Monday, 8 June 2026 15:31 (four days ago)
consider that there is a generation that has grown up with social media and their internal conception of self is not like ours which is that of seeing the world, but of being seen by it
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 8 June 2026 15:43 (four days ago)
occasional/past ilxor Nitsuh explores the current horrible usage of the term "POV", something that drives me up the fucking wall
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/01/magazine/pov-gen-z-linguistics.html
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, June 4, 2026 3:00 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
does anybody have a gift link for this? i can't seem to make any of the various archive dots work with nyt anymore
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Monday, 8 June 2026 15:45 (four days ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/01/magazine/pov-gen-z-linguistics.html?unlocked_article_code=1.olA.8qxk.gyhkEnXKmvkl&smid=url-share
― peace, man, Monday, 8 June 2026 15:52 (four days ago)
thank you!
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Monday, 8 June 2026 15:56 (four days ago)
ding ding
― a (waterface), Monday, 8 June 2026 16:00 (four days ago)
i guess i have an elastic enough sense of POV where if i say, "this is my point of view about X" i don't always literally mean that this is how i look at something out through my eyeballs, and to see it my way you would have to somehow strap a go pro to my head
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Monday, 8 June 2026 16:04 (four days ago)
it's one of the flaws of not annihilating the prescriptivist conception of language from your mind... if all you care about is calling out and correcting "wrong" usage you miss critical shifts in behavior that nonstandard usages can illuminate. we should be focused on WHY the meaning of a word changes for some speakers instead of wasting time coming up with futile schemes to "correct" it.
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 8 June 2026 16:19 (four days ago)
linguistically POV like that can show up in actual syntax in very interesting (and subtle) ways. always fun when you're moving from English to Spanish and trying to deal with verb pairs like "take/bring" and the underlying assumptions about which one you use based on all the involved parties' location in space. or trying to gain an understanding of something like ergativity in verb systems or how something like noun cases that go from some kind of readily-apparent practical distinction to a purely grammatical construct with no obvious referent to day-to-day like.
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 8 June 2026 16:30 (four days ago)
day-to-day LIFE
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 8 June 2026 16:31 (four days ago)
I'm hearing/reading "generational" an awful lot this year. Namely cases where, for instance, "generational ability" seems to mean "once-in-a-generation talent" or similar. While such usage may not be specifically spelled out in many dictionaries (yet) I don't think I can claim it stretches established definitions much, if at all.
BUT I'm against it regardless, for largely sub-rational reasons lol. At the very least, spelling out what one actually means with more traditional phrasing is surely easier on listeners/readers.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 03:40 (three days ago)
As the USA (& Mexico & Canada) World Cup is a couple of days away, I would like to submit "rooting for" to the pit please.
― Roy Ouroboroson (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 10:37 (three days ago)
There is virtually no version of that phrase that I find myself comfortable using in conversation - rooting for (makes you sound like a pig), pulling for (what exactly am I pulling and why), cheering on (what, rah rah rah like a cheerleader?!)
― henry s, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 12:04 (three days ago)
You don't think that sports fans are like pigs or cheerleaders? Its one of the two, in my experience.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 12:19 (three days ago)
It's the whole focus on "I'm going to join in with chants to encourage this team" which makes me cringe, reminds me of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XOhDLUXuVs
The acceptable word is "supporting" - it does not imply that you have to make some kind of display.
― Roy Ouroboroson (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:10 (three days ago)
"Rooting for" seems so commonplace that it wouldn't occur to me to find it odd or cringey. I do not think of pigs.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:12 (three days ago)
not commonplace outside the USA. well, in Australia it's fairly commonplace but means something else.
― Roy Ouroboroson (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:16 (three days ago)
To my American ears, "supporting" / "supporter" used in a sports context always sounds strangely reserved.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:17 (three days ago)
I wi root for teams that I don't support, there's a clear and necessary distinction imo
― 99 gram lychee (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:45 (three days ago)
"Supporting"? Like an undergarment?
― peace, man, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:46 (three days ago)
My old man used to get pedantic about "supporting" unless you actually attended matches/financially supported a club in some way
― 99 gram lychee (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 13:46 (three days ago)
Americans who encounter ‘support’ in a sports context are usually trying not to think about jockstraps.
― einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 14:23 (three days ago)
I wi root for teams that I don't support, there's a clear and necessary distinction imoOh sure, but here we would say "fan" instead of "supporter." Not a verb form of that, though.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 14:43 (three days ago)
No problem with "root for" as an idiom.
But I do think saying "we won" when you're not on the team is weird.
― rebec on a xebec (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 15:30 (three days ago)
"the"
― Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 15:37 (three days ago)
POV: ineluctable modality of the visible: at least that if no more, thought through my eyes. Signatures of all things I am here to read, seaspawn and seawrack, the nearing tide, that rusty boot. Snotgreen, bluesilver, rust: coloured signs. Limits of the diaphane.
― mahb, Tuesday, 9 June 2026 15:56 (three days ago)
I'm sorry but "root for" elicits a queasy feeling in my gut and nothing anyone has said has done anything to address this.
― Roy Ouroboroson (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:17 (three days ago)
i'm rooting for all of you. you got this.
― shaking babies (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:19 (three days ago)
Oh sure, but here we would say "fan" instead of "supporter." Not a verb form of that, though.
yeah i completely get that, i was just responding to CaAL that (in UK parlance) "root for" isn't an exact synonym for "support". i guess you could use "cheer for" if you have deep-seated personal issues with rooting?
― 99 gram lychee (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:32 (three days ago)
"cheer for" is equally lame, sorry.
― Roy Ouroboroson (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:34 (three days ago)
lol i honestly had a feeling you'd say that
anyway there needs to be a verbal distinction for being a fan of a particular team and being a temporary fan of anybody playing a particular hated team
― 99 gram lychee (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:37 (three days ago)
ride for
or what about "love". just "i love nottingham" or whatever.
or "they are my friends". i'll be watching my friends play football today. i hope that they win.
― shaking babies (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:38 (three days ago)
it's the hierarchies of hate in watching sport that makes this complicated
― 99 gram lychee (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:41 (three days ago)
hmm i see
― shaking babies (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:43 (three days ago)
for example, in the World Cup, i don't have any love for the Australian football team, they aren't my friends, i don't love them. i will root for them to batter the USA tho.
― 99 gram lychee (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:44 (three days ago)
"I'm hoping they win/do OK/don't get beat/etc" will do
― Tom D, focussed with getting on with the job (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:44 (three days ago)
they're your frienemies.
― shaking babies (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:48 (three days ago)
depends what you're doing.supporting a team: we have a word for thispicking a team and going to watch them play: you're just watching themjoining in with "I believe that we will win" chants: don't do thathoping a team will win a match: we don't need a word for this
― Roy Ouroboroson (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 16:48 (three days ago)
i follow tottenham, who i fucking hate with every fibre of my being
― Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 17:30 (three days ago)
"I'm ride or die for them"
― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Tuesday, 9 June 2026 17:46 (three days ago)
You say you support Tottenham, but do you fuck with them?
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Wednesday, 10 June 2026 00:20 (two days ago)
name 5 albums by them
― The Immortal Bird of Avon (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 10 June 2026 00:32 (two days ago)
LOL, yeah, pretty sure I've not heard it in a sporting context in AU. (Not unrelated: router, the IT device, pretty much *has* to rhyme with outer to avoid giggles, whereas a route on a map, where it doesn't suggest a verb, almost invariably rhymes with root.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 10 June 2026 01:13 (two days ago)
for example, in the Maine Senate election, i don't have any love for Graham Platner, he's not my friend, i don't love him. i will root for him to batter Susan Collins tho#onethread
― jaymc, Wednesday, 10 June 2026 01:18 (two days ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKH-Khz7kQU
― Tom D, focussed with getting on with the job (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 June 2026 06:33 (two days ago)