― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chriddof (Chriddof), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)
Four Words: Use Other Words Please"Use other words please."Commonly used phrases that inexplicably bug youMost irritating cliche/phrase/expression"Taking Things to a Whole `Nother Level!" words that annoyWords that should earn the author a slapPROVERBIAL and other tip offs to poor writing
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
-- caitlin (wpsal...) (webmail), December 23rd, 2003. (caitlin)
Oh yes, yes yes. I second that one. And the people who say it, say it over and over.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)
I also have a horror of people who write prolifically in all caps.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)
This is true.
But, this is a topic that should be dealt with routinely and harshly... the only way we can correct the language and suppress it's organic growth is by exposing and banning every new usage as it occurs... Isn't that what the French do?
― andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)
Also: 'fridge,' girls who refer to each other as 'girl,' proactive...i'll be back when i think of more....
― roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― BrianB (BrianB), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melly E (Melly E), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― barbara wintergreen, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
'poetic justice'. Used by the lazy to describe all 'justice' the speaker approves of, instead of a particular type. The adjective is rendered meaningless.
Agree re 'bird' for woman/girl, and lament its threatened return. Stinks of 'I'm being un-PC, where's my medal?'. Also the C-person uses it, which kinda ends the argument.
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― barbara wintergreen, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― ermes marana, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)
Wait, huh? Fridge is the thing you put food in, whats wrong with it?
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)
― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)
I'm picturing him saying things such as "Would you like me to remove another beverage from the refrigerator for you, whilst we watch some association football?"
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)
― naus (Robert T), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)
― Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)
― Win A Lie-Down, Mrs. Davies (kate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)
― jimmy glass (electricsound), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)
I guess I get it if people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what art is? Language is gonna do what it’s gonna do, but “art” and “artist” are huge, inclusive terms that can be applied to any of the above.
In elementary school it’s called art class. It’s a bummer that some people don’t feel they can live up to “artist.” Folk art! Installation art! Performance art! Found art! Readymades! Art is awesome and anybody can be an artist. Make something and call it art. Congratulations, you’re an artist!
I guess “creative” is technically more inclusive because it also includes writers and theater and other creative endeavors that are an art but not Art. It still irritates me and maybe I’m just old and language is passing me by.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 16 June 2026 07:02 (one week ago)
My industry (social/economic research related to cities) looooves the word 'creatives' because it's a useful shorthand for any workers involved in cultural production - 'fine' artists but also writers and actors and set designers and web designers and musicians and others outside of fine art.
Easier (and maybe more understandable) than having to use 'cultural producers' or 'cultural production workers' I guess? And there's an element of industry loving a buzzword.
― salsa shark, Tuesday, 16 June 2026 07:50 (one week ago)
at least it's much better than "content creator"
― Here is the mentioned donkey, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 16 June 2026 07:52 (one week ago)
I see it differently in different contexts. I used to hate it. I probably posted about hating it on this thread a few years back. … I see younger artists (mostly BIPOC) use that term to describe themselves and/or promote events, organizations, etc. Based on my unscientific surveys of such, here are some examples of how I came to accept Creatives.1. Artists who didn’t go to art school and/or feel alienated from “the art world” and what it represents (e.g. white supremacy, capitalism, colonialism)2. Artists whose practices are socially engaged where the art-making doesn’t fit into a conventional genre. The art produced isn’t the only goal.3. Artists who want to be more inclusive/ appeal to broader audiences who find “content” more accessible 4. From an organizing standpoint, using more inclusive language can broaden one’s reach and engage more people who create … reducing gatekeeping 5. Artists who don’t feel like they deserve to call themselves artists because they don’t make enough money at what they define as art.
1. Artists who didn’t go to art school and/or feel alienated from “the art world” and what it represents (e.g. white supremacy, capitalism, colonialism)
2. Artists whose practices are socially engaged where the art-making doesn’t fit into a conventional genre. The art produced isn’t the only goal.
3. Artists who want to be more inclusive/ appeal to broader audiences who find “content” more accessible
4. From an organizing standpoint, using more inclusive language can broaden one’s reach and engage more people who create … reducing gatekeeping
5. Artists who don’t feel like they deserve to call themselves artists because they don’t make enough money at what they define as art.
i understand all this, and don’t care. it’s a gross term, the people who use it in earnest suck, and the people who use it as an economic or marketing term also suck. the term is fucking gross.
― a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 16 June 2026 11:00 (one week ago)
“oh i don’t feel part of the nefarious big art world! let me adopt this term that is firmly rooted in neoliberal ideologies of proslductive capitalism” like get a brain
― a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 16 June 2026 11:01 (one week ago)
artist: i am trying to express an important truth i perceive in the world
creative: i am trying to capture your attention by appealing to typical traits of human behavior
― just what is it that you think the "ilxor algorithm" directs? (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 June 2026 11:15 (one week ago)
that is how i perceive the terms in my own head— i recognize that it is only an opinion i have, and not necessarily anyone else’s feeling about the words
― just what is it that you think the "ilxor algorithm" directs? (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 June 2026 11:19 (one week ago)
Maybe we should make a list of capitalist terms we should exclude from our vocabulary when discussing art…
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 June 2026 14:14 (one week ago)
this is reminding me of how in Jamaican media they often refer to anyone who performs or produces music as an "artiste"
― rob, Tuesday, 16 June 2026 15:19 (one week ago)
Fucking yikes
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/magazine/goy-antisemitic-youth-slang.html
― a (waterface), Thursday, 18 June 2026 13:48 (five days ago)
another banger from nitsuh!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:16 (five days ago)
interesting to see how that's getting pilloried on bluesky when you know a little bit about the author
― rob, Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:17 (five days ago)
how so?
― The Immortal Bird of Avon (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:29 (five days ago)
I still hear lots of people talking about being "gypped" with zero awareness it's a slur, school-age kids saying "goyslop" with no real anti-semitic intent tracks
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:33 (five days ago)
that doesn't make it any better!
― a (waterface), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:35 (five days ago)
xp I'm not sure if you mean how is it being pilloried or how is it interesting, but here is one post with a lot of replies: https://bsky.app/profile/joelhs.bsky.social/post/3mokwbo4kic2q
― rob, Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:35 (five days ago)
it's a NYT article, you're supposed to tear it to shreds online we just happen to know the author this time
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:38 (five days ago)
xp Interesting in that nabisco is immediately subsumed into the NYT's lockstep agenda of mainstreaming ALL far-right ideas, including antisemitism.
I haven't been able to read the piece myself (archive not working for me right now), but I am sympathetic to Osita Nwanevu's critique that 2 interviews does not have much evidentiary weight. I don't know if that's addressed in the piece itself though
― rob, Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:39 (five days ago)
contrasting this column with the POV one ("A Whole Generation is using POV Wrong") is really. . . something
― a (waterface), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:41 (five days ago)
Interesting in that nabisco is immediately subsumed into the NYT's lockstep agenda of mainstreaming ALL far-right ideas, including antisemitism.this is why I roll my eyes at the idea that the NYT has some kind of nefarious agenda that pervades all of its coverage. there are various tendencies and biases that I think are endemic to mainstream American journalism, and which thus get expressed instinctively by people who have internalized them. but it's also a staff of hundreds of individuals, and they're not all mindlessly repeating a set of AG Sulzberger's talking points.
― jaymc, Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:46 (five days ago)
stressing about the slang kids are using IS an endemic tendency of mainstream American journalism, and since it's usually not written by a linguist you can almost guarantee it'll be panicslop
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:51 (five days ago)
and since it's usually not written by a linguist you can almost guarantee it'll be panicslop
And even sometimes when it is (cf. John McWhorter)...
― wipes chooser (unperson), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:56 (five days ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnI46gLSMnI
This is a good video on the subject (but don't watch his video about Israel/Palestine)
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 June 2026 14:59 (five days ago)
Can I still call myself the shabbos goy when doing dishes for my jewish mother-in-law?
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 18 June 2026 16:02 (five days ago)
"The Language Has Stabilized" is not a headline.
Journalism rule 272: The story needs to change.
"Situation Normal, Check Back Tomorrow" is also not a headline.
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 June 2026 16:20 (five days ago)
McWhorter (and Pinker) are examples of dudes who have written excellent books about linguistics and then... lost the plot in astonishing ways
― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 June 2026 16:40 (five days ago)
Whereas Chomsky has held it together
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 June 2026 17:18 (five days ago)
a few months ago a friend of mine was talking about his least favorite Black public intellectuals— he is Black himself fwiw— and I asked about McWhorter, and he said “that Tom hasn’t ever been an intellectual” and we both cackled. (my friend is right)
― a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 June 2026 18:04 (five days ago)
McWhorter was a genuinely interesting, insightful & accessible linguistics writer, unlike Pinker who was always an egoist and a crank to some extent, and it's galling to see what a prick he is now.
― Here is the mentioned donkey, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 June 2026 18:12 (five days ago)
Pinker was a popular teacher at a prestige university who started out with a few novel, minimally interesting ideas that excited his students to learn about linguistics which he then determinedly self-promoted into a reputation as a big thinker.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 June 2026 18:45 (five days ago)
one of my tutors at university was in the same class as pinker and told me that he was like this even as an undergraduate
― Here is the mentioned donkey, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 June 2026 18:49 (five days ago)
actually this was 2008 so I think she was the first person to tell me he was like this. she also advised against reading his books and said that Jackendoff was much better and covered the same ground
― Here is the mentioned donkey, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 June 2026 18:51 (five days ago)
i am so smart i only like unpopular intellectuals— i call them Oxy-Morons
― just what is it that you think the "ilxor algorithm" directs? (Hunt3r), Thursday, 18 June 2026 23:13 (five days ago)
Jackenidoff
― shaking babies (map), Thursday, 18 June 2026 23:50 (five days ago)
"addicting" in place of "addictive"
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Friday, 19 June 2026 03:15 (four days ago)
oh yes
― Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Friday, 19 June 2026 06:22 (four days ago)
The New Yorker@newyorker_comJ. D. Vance’s second memoir, “Communion,” tells the story of his decision to become Catholic, but it’s strangely distasteful of the faith he has joined.
J. D. Vance’s second memoir, “Communion,” tells the story of his decision to become Catholic, but it’s strangely distasteful of the faith he has joined.
happily since changed to 'disdainful'
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 June 2026 02:25 (three days ago)
This is a good video
this guy is fine but i find it annoying that he mentions his phd in every video
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Saturday, 20 June 2026 02:51 (three days ago)
It's a perennial, but adult baby-talk trying to sound cool and hip with the kids: "smol", "chonky" etc. Involuntarily clenches my teeth and fists.
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 21 June 2026 22:41 (two days ago)
And "hungy" for "hungry"
― Hideous Lump, Sunday, 21 June 2026 22:53 (two days ago)
https://media.tenor.com/mtOiOQnbLkkAAAAC/the-simpsons-homer.gif
― The Yellow Kid, Monday, 22 June 2026 00:30 (yesterday)
ugh I actually have some laundry capsules from a brand called smol
― kinder, Monday, 22 June 2026 18:51 (yesterday)
sounds like a danish lager
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 22 June 2026 18:55 (yesterday)
"Weaponize." I'm watching some guy on TV talk about Hairspray, and how its relative wholesomeness was a contrast to John Waters' earlier films, where he was "weaponizing his prurience and dirtiness." I get what he's trying to say, but just because everybody else uses this stupid word, you don't need to jam it into your own relatively straightforward argument.
I hope I haven't weaponized my distaste for this word that annoys me.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 June 2026 21:33 (yesterday)
The US Navy tried to weaponize dolphins, but they failed. The NRA claims that nearly every object or substance in your household could conceivably be weaponized, so it makes no sense to ban guns, although guns never do need to be weaponized, as they are already weapons full time. In contrast, sticks and stones are notoriously easy to weaponize, but spend almost all their lives in perpetual weapon-latency. The more I think about the potential of all manner of non-weaponry to become weaponized, the less I want to think about the whole concept.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 22 June 2026 23:19 (yesterday)
I've been trying to weaponize my tennis racket, with mixed results thus far.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 June 2026 23:36 (yesterday)
I prefer to Martinize things
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 June 2026 23:46 (yesterday)
Are you taking more than an hour? Bc martinizing only takes one hour if memory serves!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 June 2026 02:21 (eleven hours ago)