is it wrong to *pause* when you see women from your racial group with men from other races?

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i dont think this is exclusive to any particular ethnic group - i think men in all races feel a certain protectiveness over the women in their particular racial group. but i will freely admit, well not freely, but i will admit if pushed, that when i see white women with men who arent white, i do feel a strange feeling that i cant quite put my finger on. part of it might be simply that yes, i am jealous they are not with me, lol, but its also something else im not quite sure how to articulate.

― jameslatimerlewis (james latimer lewis), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

this fucking guy.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

In answer to your question: yes. Yes it is.

NEXT!

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

Who is this cunt?

I hope that this is not a widely shared fucking feeling.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

why are so many people over sensitive about the most vaguely race related comments?

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

And you wonder why no one wants to talk to you.

― Dan (Racist) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

i will freely admit, well not freely, but i will admit if pushed

Was the rest of ILX standing by your computer glaring at you until you started this thread, then?

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

Only if after pausing you go: Stop! Hammertime.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Absolutely. And commenting about it is just plain rude.

How successful would we be at eradicating this kind of shit if we said 'how rude' rather than 'how racist' (any fule kno it is both).

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

I stop and stare whenever I see a woman of my (or any) racial group with any man from any race. Why would she choose to fornicate when she could lie down with the lamb of god?

― David Koresh (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

i do feel a strange feeling that i cant quite put my finger on. part of it might be simply that yes, i am jealous they are not with me, lol, but its also something else im not quite sure how to articulate.

the reason is because you suspect that the woman is only with them because their 'race' represents some sort of exciting new novelty for the woman. or that she is with them merely for some other stereotypical trait relating directly to physical attributes, or possibly the allure of broader cultural exoticism placed on the man by either you, the women, the man, some of those three or all three.

the last thing your knee jerks for would be the prospect that it's because the man is attractive to them in some other way e.g. personality-based. thus racism.

so the feeling of envy and resentment emanates from that. you start thinking that if only you had something to distinguish you the way he does or seems to, she would be attracted to you also.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

how rude?! oh how sorry i am to have offended your sensibilities! theres no point in just being polite just for the sake of it. most people just being polite about things like this are simply suppressing their feelings. im not saying people dating outside their race should be stoned, merely confessing that while i dont have any violent feelings about it, it does make me pause for thought.

― jameslatimerlewis (james latimer lewis), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

at least you did admit to your racism, james. i appreciate that. hopefully you now understand better why you think the way you do and modify this thought process in future.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Do you feel guilty about your feelings, JLL? Do you realise that the problem you have is completely of your own making and not the fault of the inter-racial couple?

― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

I honestly don't have a problem with it. In fact I feel somewhat proud that we live in such a tolerant, mlticultural society.

Racism is wrong, it says so in the Guardian.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

I hope that this is not a widely shared fucking feeling.

i think it's as common as racism in general is, in this country.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

'i think men in all races feel a certain protectiveness over the women in their particular racial group'

It's not only completely racist, but sexist too. I mean, where do you get off thinking you should have a say in who women who are complete strangers to you date?

― indolent girl (indolent girl), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

At the risk of stirring the ILX Hive, are there similiarities/differences to this thread:

White Men Who Exclusively Date Asian Women

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

the vicar made me lol i have to say

― the doddfox (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, DV is pretty funny. The rest of it? yhbt/yhl/hand.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

good point from indolent girl in that this thought process is as sexist as it is racist (but then we know racism alarm always much louder than sexism alarm generally but esp. on ILX)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have much of a choice living where I do. If I wanted to see someone of the same race as me I'd need to go out of my way and look specifically for them. I have no intention of doing that, but then, I'm happily coupled up.

I'd just hate to think that anybody looks at us together and says "why's he not with a white girl" or whatever.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

appreciate all the responses in this thread that arent just liberal kneejerk 'you are a big bad racist!' etc etc.

part of the reason i made this thread was that well, one of my sisters only dates black men. or at least she has. whether this is merely by chance (and she is a serial monogamist, and has had successive serious relationships one after the other with more or less nothing in between) and i cant help wondering why this is.

when i was younger i did - however wrongly - think that perhaps she just didnt like white men. for reasons i dont quite know, this impacted my self esteem somewhat, because i looked up to my sister. it might just be physical preference, i dont know. but i cant help thinking it just makes things more difficult really, and why she would want to put herself through that extra headache unnecessarily. im wondering if she simply hates white men inside. maybe the fact our family didnt always have the most complimentary things to say about black people when we were growing up has something to do with it. or maybe white men just dont go for her, im not sure.

ok, end of outpouring.

― jameslatimerlewis (james latimer lewis), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the fact our family didnt always have the most complimentary things to say about black people when we were growing up has something to do with it

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

'you are a big bad racist!' etc etc.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah James, I'm so fucking sorry that my sensibilities are offended by your insenible racism. HOW RUDE OF ME.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

not everything is that cut and dry, suzy.

― jameslatimerlewis (james latimer lewis), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

No, I've just become a bit less patient with crypto-racists in my old age, sonny.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck kind of response were you hoping to get when you started this thread? how can you possibly think it's not racist?(xpost)

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

How does this make you feel?
http://www.cgstock.com/pics/3893.jpg

What about this?
http://hoover.archives.gov/exhibits/africanamerican/antebellum/images/manwoman.jpg

This?
http://www.geocities.com/mclane65/lovesong.jpg

And this?
http://www.geocities.com/mclane65/allymcbeal.jpg

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

the last one makes me feel revolted, mainly because i don't understand how anyone could kiss that wretched woman

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.andreaharner.com/archives/BushandCondi2.jpg

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHAHA

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck kind of response were you hoping to get when you started this thread?

More or less the response he got, I'm guessing.

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

i'm pretty turned on by all of those photos, due to my ferocious appetite for inter-racial porn!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Even the Bush/Condi one? You sick fuck.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/robbi01/min-kiss3.jpg

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

That one is pretty hot, I must say.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

but what if it was YOUR sister?!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Threesome!

http://www.aa2sbu.org/aaezine/images/M/MavinFoundation.jpg

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

phwoar...

http://www.idiotsite.com/wlwiki/images/0/08/French-henry.jpg

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.magicalday.com/Cake_Toppers/Interracial/interracial-blond-bride-african-american-groom.jpg

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://plato.acadiau.ca/courses/soci/marontate/2006/Student_Pages/Heather_Young/kiss.jpg

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://interracial.aplace2meet.com/template/interracial/images/top3.jpg

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

i want to know how long james pauses for. minutes? hours?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

if he's in London he probably spends most of his waking life pausing

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Assuming 'pause' = 'wank'...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

that gives one pause

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Interracial p**n

― splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

at least you did admit to your racism, james.

I have skipped much, but there is truth in this. Even right-on people have un right-on thoughts, and I reckon there are occasional racist and homophobic thoughts bubbling up from my Id.

But nothing sexist. IR love teh ladies.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, I think part of the key here to the idea that it isn't cut and dry is the fact that he's talking about his sister specifically, who ONLY dates a certain race. I can understand, if confronted someone who exclusively dates members of only one race (be it their own or others), having a thought process per what Steve described above, answering the question: assuming the person either has a problem with other races or is fetishizing the race they date. This is without knowing any mitigating factors, of which there can be many many many.

This is of course made semi-mute by the fact that he has basically extrapolated this to every single white female he lays eyes upon (which yeah, the "protectivism" ie sexism in the post kind of struck me harder than the racism present) and has started other racist threads, so whatever, I guess I was just trying to back up Steve's post way up thread.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I think it's quite an interesting topic.

But dude:

is it wrong to *pause* when you see women from your racial group with men from other races?
...
i dont think this is exclusive to any particular ethnic group - i think men in all races feel a certain protectiveness over the women in their particular racial group.
...
appreciate all the responses in this thread that arent just liberal kneejerk 'you are a big bad racist!' etc etc.

and from your previous thread:

jeez, its like you cant say anything without someone getting all PC about it. its very silly. for instance, today i said something about african social workers who are sent to help my grandmother but can usually be relied on to borrow a small tip or two from underneath her mattress, and i was made to feel like im not allowed to say such a thing.

You are being deliberately obtuse, if not completely disingenuous.

Is it wrong to maybe *wonder* if the history of the Holocost is totaly 100% accurate?

I don't deny anything, it's just that maybe sometimes I wonder if maybe we've exaggerated things a little bit because of all the terrible loss and guilt of WWII. Just sayin'...

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://files1.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_on_11_10_2001_08_15_31/WORM.JPG8DF3A8BB-3B43-4839-B7E6988035502A03.jpgLarge.jpg

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that I was being racist one time when I realized these girls that lived near me in college were serially dating a string of black guys, then I realized it only troubled me because they were just working their way through the basketball team who happened to be mostly black. Note, having your way with an entire sports team is kind of gross, even if it's one at a time.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

ESPECIALLY if it's one at a time. Inefficient!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

o.O

― Dan (O RLY?) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, now I'm thinking about some girl who went to my friend's high school who was nicknamed "soccer bus." Imagine being branded with that one for life.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

JOEK.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot to add the actual taboo aspect of 'inter-racial' dating as one of the possible other attractions. If people are interesetd in dating someone of a culture different to their own this seems perfectly reasonable. If they're dating someone more because of how they look (aside from how, if at all, whatever culture they subscribe to is reflected in their appearance), again, whilst maybe 'superficial, this can be seen as reasonable.

'Pausing' as in seeing this sort of thing happening and it making you think about what people base their decisions on is also fair enough. But if the feelings it gives you are as negative as the ones James reveals he has then there's def. issues of bigotry, envy, inadequacy complexes and possibly self-loathing afoot - all too easily slipping out in the way he describes the situation.

Just waiting for Nabisco to wrap things up now ;)

― Konal 'not a real doctor' Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

The real question is whether these particular gentlemen fall into a black man stereotype, like basketball player, businessman, or ilx0r.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i would've actually had more sympathy for james if he'd just said he couldn't help getting riled when he saw a woman he thought was hott (not even relevant what race) with a guy who looked or behaved in ways he disapproved of (again regardless of their race).

beyond the racist surface i think that's what the problem may be deep down. and i think a lot more guys could identify with that (growing up at least, if not so much now).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

(Sorry, I'm taking tomorrow off so it's like Friday to me already -- don't take anything I say seriously until further notice. Also, my typo-ing fingers have repeatedly subbed "facial" for "racial", which I think is funny.)

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Someone please set up the "I Love Psychotherapy" and "I Love Race Baiting" groups.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

This thread has challenged my knee-jerk liberal prejudices.

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

I will definitely question the motives of the next non-black girl who makes out with me and REPORT BACK.

― Misintepret that, ILX (Barima), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

POST PICTURES

― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2003-06/8156582.jpg

― gear (gear), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.superdickery.com/images/seduction/59.jpg

― Dan (HOTT) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

I will definitely question the motives of the next non-black girl who makes out with me and REPORT BACK.

-- Misintepret that, ILX (b4rim4_...), May 25th, 2006 5:06 PM.

I like to think it's because of your soft nougat centre.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

OMG HANDBALL (XP)

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/theactionkingsc/WhiteMenCan_tJump-pic.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

It's not going well - the first 3 I tried in the last 15 minutes said their brothers wouldn't allow it.

― Hal! Jordan! HAL! JORDAN! (Barima), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I dated a woman who's father was German-American and who's Mother was Korean. Are there any on ilxers of Korean descent who can tell me whether they just *half-paused*? Or did all asians just half-pause? Maybe it was a full pause?

Maybe it's just the Norwegian in me, but my swarthey Serbian-American friend is dating a fair-haired Norwegian American, and just thinking about it makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Can anybody tell me what race Uzbekistanis or Kashmiris are? Do I slow play or scan?

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Some people are just more physically attracted to people of a particular race. That's no worse than preffering blondes to brunettes.

Of course, if that person refuses to even consider anyone outside of their favoured ethnicity, we're getting into the realms of weird fetishisation, But, probably, they're doing no more harm than limiting their own options.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Fluffy is owning right now. (Chap otm too)

― Crimea River (Mark C), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Some people are just more physically attracted to people of a particular race. That's no worse than preffering blondes to brunettes.

But 'particular race' isn't quite as specific as hair colour. In this case it may actually be better to be as specific as possible as generalisation about race is such a thorny issue for so many. And being as it is about race, it's effectively racism. They may also be doing some sort of harm by perpetuating stereotypes either seen as positive or negative, although I'm not quite sure who or what to...

I mean if you actually think about WHY someone would say they have a certain preference, it doesn't really make any sense. Does anyone actually only restrict themselves to men or women of a certain hair type anyway? And if so, WTF why would you do that?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

We've had this argument before I know.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I'd like to meet someone who has only ever dated blonde women by their own choice. So I can gasp, point and laugh at them.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

james is freaking the fuck out right now, if his images aren't turned off

― gear (gear), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I'm posting on another ILX race thread but... it's such a simple matter to change your hair colour that effectively, what hair colour you have *is* your own personal choice. I think it's fairly ethically sound to discriminate against or for partners based on choices they have made.

Race is not something that one chooses. Therefore it's pretty ineffective comparison that to say preference in partners based on race is as negligable as hair colour.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I've got a woman who makes the men all pause, and if you've got a woman, she might make you forget yours.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to cut jamesat16 a little slack for admitting he's kinda racist but also (I think) realizing that it's wrong. (or "is it..."?) He really wants to know what in his background has made him this way - not asking if he *should* be feeling this way, but "why?" when he knows it's a wrong reaction to have.

― dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

james is freaking the fuck out right now, if his images aren't turned off

no surely he has paused and has actually been FROZEN IN TIME for the last few hours?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.reflectingarea.com/humans/WoodyAllen/SoonYiPrevin.jpg

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Well you get the drift from the title...

Of course Star trek tackled this whole issue years ago...
http://www.dvdscan.com/sttos5.jpg

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, I don't think the Asian/Jew thing was the problem there.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

xpost?

― Dan (I Hope Not) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

The 'Incest Laws': What's The Point?

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I admit, I did once pause in horror when I witnessed a mixed race relationship.... although it was during watching the Crying Game.

― JTS (JTS), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Dude Star Trek had GREEN bitches on it, they were well beyond the scope of this thread.

xpost OMG HOMOPHOBE

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

and of course when they first showed V, men everywhere were paralysed with rage.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

'There's some guy over there staring at us - maybe we should get divorced?'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38375000/jpg/_38375387_beckerfelt150.jpg

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET IT ON?

I think when james is having a "pause moment" he's experiencing cognitve dissonance where he's trying to differentiate between attitudes he wants to believe in and latent environmental influences he can't shake. People in general have a problem with self-awareness so racial attitudes, being a particularly touchy subject (cf entire thread), is something that's hard to be honest about. Not that anyone should be awarded a "hurray! I'm a racist" medal or anything, but I got the impression he was trying to take a step in sorting things out and trying to deal, so that's a start.

I dunno for sure, but a summary judgement about your sister would be that maybe this is her way of fighting her own internal conflict, proving to herself that maybe the racism she internalized earlier on is not who she really is. Or else bringing it all back home in a very pointed way, making the family (I can't be specific, you didn't specify if it was just one or both parents, or children too, or extended family in general) aware of their attitudes in a way they can't avoid.

― slugbuggy (slugbuggy), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think he's taking steps because he never questioned his own motives, he just nebulously referred to feeling weird about it, "something he couldn't put his finger on", etc. there's no point that he says, "i shouldn't feel this way, but maybe it's just a weird natural reaction". you must have missed his other thread about "african american social workers" who were stealing money from his grandmother.

― gear (gear), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Guess the reason we haven't heard back from him is because he's still pausing at all the relevant scenes in Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?

― Hal! Jordan! HAL! JORDAN! (Barima), Sunday, 28 May 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.spymac.com/upload/news/2005/09/27/m2928_pause.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 28 May 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

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