Early Post Rock bands?

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It is generally argued that Slint and Talk Talk started it all off, then Tortoise and then a whole load of bandwagon jumpers. But are there others from the early to mid nineties that i should know about?

Also, whilst i still remain confused about what post rock really is defined as (and yes i've done the search thing and looked through all the past threads) i'm unsure whether these bands would qualify?

Broken Social Scene
The Album Leaf
Don Caballero
Low
Mum
Sofa
Sigur Ros
Jaga Jazzist

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

early?

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Urge to frown quizzically rising.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I bought the new Quizzically Rising album at Starbucks.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, with that great song of theirs "The Tenth And: Reversed Struct," I heard about that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

What about the Urge To Frown album - didn't fancy that?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well if Talk Talk and Slint are seen as the pioneers of this "movement" then early would be around late 80's, early 90's. Does there remain anyone on ilm who isnt a cynical sarcastic asshole?

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

The Lost Generation
Post rock means different things in America and UK
What is Post Rock?
what is post-rock - seriously?
Are post-rock bands [just] jam-bands?
Are post-rock bands [just] jam-bands?
Second wave of "post-rock" mix
A Beginners Guide To : Dronerock/Spacerock/Post-rock/Shoegazing.
Codifying definitions; progrock vs postrock.

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, unfortunately, Quizzically Rising moved more toward the new-age side of things, which is too bad, because they always had a gift for that kind of trance-like groove, but the first couple albums coupled that with a greater sense of dynamics and unexpected shifts in rhythm, whereas the new stuff just sounds really bland. Like they're doing it in their sleep now.

Urge to Frown wasn't bad, exactly but I'm afraid it sort of set them off on this newer path.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

like i said

"(and yes i've done the search thing and looked through all the past threads)"

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

What about the Urge To Frown album - didn't fancy that?

I thought the guitars were a little overkill on that record.

Does there remain anyone on ilm who isnt a cynical sarcastic asshole?

not that I know of.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

I guess it's cool that Kranky has a big seller now, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

I thought the guitars were a little overkill on that record.

I have to hurt you now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

"(and yes i've done the search thing and looked through all the past threads)"

In which case you are acquainted with things like Knowledge and History, which might lead you to conclude that in fact your opening suppositions were seen as somewhat curious, to put it mildly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Urge to Frown never were as good as when they released the limited CDR on their Hark, Adorno! imprint, Regarding The Wankless Night

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry, I meant Quizzically Rising there. Those wacky post rock names, I tell ya! Never heard of any of them before 2000!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

does the chair at your computer have a Homer Simpson style ass print?

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Excuse me while I kiss the sky.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

I actually agree with Matt about the guitars on Urge to Frown. As much as I like O'Rourke, I don't think he works well with QR's overall aesthetic.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, see, it was all that downtuning. They had done that as part of the Chicago Free Jazz celebration WHAT IS THIS I HEAR BEFORE ME? An Improvisation on Black Sabbath, featuring guest contributions from To Rococo Rot, who were then on tour with Quizzically Rising, having completed a collaboration in Iceland the previous month.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

The move from playing the guitars with forks to fish slices didn't really come off

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

... while amplified sackbut solo on the 20-minute Albert Ayler medley was limp in the extreme

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, actually, I take back half of what I said about O'Rourke. I think he could have done a good job with the band, but I get the sense that they looked to him for more creative input rather than just good engineering, and so they sort of let him run wild a bit.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

terry riley and steve reich are the o.p.r. (original post rocka')

― doomie x, Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

i think that this is a good post-rock primer.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Actually, I read an interview in Sonic Nam-Pla where he says that the solo wasn't amplified, just played through a series of plastic tubes and springs. Anyway, I thought it was awesome.

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Real answer = This Heat

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Faust, This Heat, Can come to mind.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

damn you Jax0n xpost.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Somebody say Labradford.

― Ellis From Die Hard, Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Ash Ra Tempel in parts.

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

for the chicago post-rock thing I'd say you have the Louisville stuff and then Shrimp Boat. A whole lot of Shrimp Boat.

― william fields, Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Britt Walford, so much to answer for.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to imagine Morrissey as coming from Chicago. Hmmm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Pylon, Wire?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

"November Spawned a Corrupt Mayoral Election"

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

what about Dif Juz???

― ebenoit, Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Shrimp Boat? Post-rock? Da fug?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Eno was Pre-punk before post-punk, but is decidedly post-rock as he released albums after rock was born.

The correct answer: Supercollider .. the L.A. band.

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

They're also from the Generation A Post Rock graduation class with Slint and Talk Talk in 1991. although Hollis and McMahan giving the Supercolliders guys wedgies in Postrock Phys Ed was really fucking childish.

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Disco Inferno were too busy in detention. Ian was always insulting the teachers.

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

I remember once mark s said that all This Heat were a UK Can. I think he meant it as an insult, but I think it's sort of true, and that's pretty cool.

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 16 June 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

It would be a lot cooler if Post Rock was a cereal.

http://www.kraftfoods.com/postcereals/images/hm_postlogo.jpg

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 16 June 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Miles Davis cira Bitches Brew is good source material for post rock

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

what about durutti column?

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Public Image - Second Edition

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

This Heat more than Can--most (well, more than half) of the time Can were still working within a rock paradigm, in which case it's not really post-rock. I don't really think you can say that This Heat were working within a rock paradigm, even if they played in a rock style here and there.

But no, This Heat were "experimental." i.e. post-rock does not really describe a style, it's more of a marketing term

― 666 (Robust Cookies), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Dif Juz seconded.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Friday, 17 June 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

prog made me not really want to hear any post rock again

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 17 June 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

What about Bark Psychosis in terms of late 80's and on. I know they supposedlty have the credit of first artist to be described as "post-rock" and had quite an influence as well.

― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Friday, 17 June 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

i like to think of prog rock as a continuation of rock. increase the complexity. (i'm trying really hard to not say modernist. oh there i go. does it count if it's parenthetical?) trying to reach the sublime. like where mozart and bach and beethoven and so on got to with classical.

maybe at some point that's not rock anymore... i dunno.

it's not like post-rock which is using both rock and non-rock... fusion/synthesis essentially, but more than just jazz-rock combos... and perhaps more tasteful. less wank and soloing, yet still relying on beats and the same instruments more or less. fusion often took the absolute worst of jazz and rock and combined it into totally cock choking lunacy.

what if just for laffs and confusion, post-rock meant to be more like that way post-punk is often referred to as... "what punks did after punk" as "what rockers did after rock." like when trent reznor and paul barker and al j. put down their goth/hair metal whatever and did dance music? (until eventually coming back to rock.) or iggy or queen doing dance/disco numbers in the early 80s?

dictionary hurling anybody?
m.

― msp (mspa), Friday, 17 June 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

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