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you should, more.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

this is all of them. any tips?

― Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Everyone not in the mongrel/sheepfuxor threads

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Hi, Adam!

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't talk to people on ILX outside of ILX. This is why I am not one of the "in" crowd. (Also, I have never attended a FAP.)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

(Mainly because I cannot, legally, FAP.)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

Everyone not in the mongrel/sheepfuxor threads

what the fuck are those threads about anyway?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

things you couldn't possibly understand.

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

that's ok, i avoid them like the plague. as far as i know, they are for australian people to say HI to each other.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

mongrel/sheepfuxors vs. noize dudes

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

Its nice to know we're plague! Thanks, cutty! :D

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

teh great war

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

i participate in all the regional threads just to be popular.

― jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

it seems like i don't engage with hardly anyone

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

has anyone got anything to say, to me?

cozen?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

ILMers scare and/or put me off. Ive seen too much cynical, bitter old man crap over there, so Ive avoided it.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

i avoid anyone without vowels in their username. yes, this means you, _____.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Phew!

― Traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

well done

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

cozen.

― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

I have, trouble telling when you're joking, and when not, RJG

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

if he uses superfluous commas, does that mean he's joking or not?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

sorry

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

he's the steven wright of ile

xxpost

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

thank you for ruining my rjg reading experience forever >:\

― bass braille (....), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pietalent.com/artists/stevenwright.jpg

fear my giant cranium

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm no longer sorry

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

that's ok, we didn't believe you anyway

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

roffles!

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

Hi.

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

IM me at "jdsalmon1976". If you like, i will send you dumb but probably amusing links, like that Incredible Hulk blog one.

― kingfish van vlasic pickles (Kingfish), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

Do you mean on or offline? If it's offline, it's because there aren't many Phila people on here that I can tell. Online? I'm still figuring all this stuff out.

― Sara Sherr, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

Cynical, bitter old man crap on ILM? You don't say! Who could you possibly be talking about? ;-)

― Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)

But...but...I don't post any of my cynical, bitter old man crap on ILM - just here on ILE.

― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't even know who I don't talk to much!

― Darius Rucker Lookalike (deangulberry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

I don't really talk to anyone much on a regular basis outside the sheepfuxor threads, however there are people I "notice" more than others.

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

You know, I'm struggling to figure out people to put onto this thread, even though I know I don't really engage with a hell of a lot of people here. Well, I don't think so, anyway. I don't know. This place is so crammed with people that it's very easy to not interact, either at all or a little bit, with a hell of a lot of individuals.

I guess I could just pick the whole of ILM and leave it at that. Um, except for the people off ILM who are really active here on ILE too.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

I wpouldn't say there's anyone I don't specifically engage with. My posting habits are extremely erratic so I'm on here at odd hours, so I bump into most at some point. Also, what Dee said.

― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:37 (twenty years ago)

all the lonely old rock crits

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

All the smart people (except the ones that acknowledge my presence). ;-) I dunno, maybe noone notices me, but I love the atmosphere here. I am/was on other boards and none was/is like ILX. I *heart* ILX. hehehe

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

Somehow I think Jon said what I was trying to better than I did.

Oh man, I sound so bitchy today sorry.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

Ah OUTSIDE, now I understand. Uh a few now and then but not on a *constant* basis. I'm very lazy with emailing/replying. :-((( My IM is unheardmusick. Catch me if you can. :-)

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

Somewhat off-topic, but what's an 'FAP'? What's it an acronym for?

― Seuss, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/faq.php?board=1

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

Fancy A Pint. :-)

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Fuck a pygmy.

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

fancy a prude

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Flying albatross parade.

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Fill A Potty

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

I should do more sheep mongrel fux0ring.. i feel guilty not doing it

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

Fondle a Protestant?

― Seuss, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

really db? i'm kinda trying to do less.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Matt DC
Barima
Ken C

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

I thought we went over this: RJG's commas are only suggestions.

I have something to say to all of you.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

I don't know any of you, these days.

Would you like to know me?

I mean, we could talk about Scritti Politti. But I warn you, I'm going to be sober this month until Poptimism.

It might be hard work.

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

I'm too scared to get close. Don't want to pass on my cold.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Aw, hi Starry!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah ILM is cynical and nobody there likes music, THAT'S your justification for being freaked out by someone saying "well I disagree with that". whatever.

have a look at the Vitalic thread, or countless others, really cynical stuff there with 100 people all gushing about the one record.

ILM is just as much of a community as ILE and I feel ten times happier posting there most of the time. I'm so sick of this nu-ile meme of "ILM is tired and cynical, I love music but those guys suck!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

nu-ile meme of "ILM is tired and cynical, I love music but those guys suck!"

that's new? I've been saying it for more than three years now.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

That's kind of the entire reason that ILE started, Ronan!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

ilm and ile and noise board are identical. there is no difference

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well I am fairly sure at this point I can rely on my music taste more than the rest of me as a gauge for having fun discussions with people as far as ILE/ILX is concerned and I'm sure others feel the same.

If people really have a problem with ILM why not post it there.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

ILM is tired and cynical? No it ruddy well isn't ... apart from me of course.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

why would they care? I mean I don't bother blathering on about ILM here either bascially b/c *I* don't care. It's that pointless of a place to me.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

That's not the reason that ILE started, Dan!!!

ILE started because all the tired and cynical music geeks on ILM were all up in arms going "How DARE you people have lives and talk about stuff other than music?!?!?!?!?"

― Masonic Cathedral (kate), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

i don't think this thread is really going anywhere, i'm off to take a nap

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I Love Music but I Don't Love Everything

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Sam, then that's no problem. but it's a recurring theme on ILE to see people whining about ILM without ever posting there, or saying the same old crap about how the people there don't really like music etc etc when in fact that't totally untrue.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

ILM is intense, in more ways than one, perhaps more than ILE

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

ilm has been good lately.

so has the pickle board.

I didn't start this thread for bickering.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I Love Everything Except I Love Music...

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

bickering = engaging

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

ILB

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

i "engage" with ilm and although it doesn't quite live up to the ile bad press, it is generally more "intense" aka: IT'S ALL BLOKES IN THERE.

― NRQ, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

"cozen"

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/theatre/2003/02/images/rik_young_ones_190.jpg

"BICKAWIIIING..."

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

STAY OUT!

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I *engage* with anyone much but I don't think I want to necessarily, I'm too emotionally vulnerable unfortunately.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

"skykicking" by insides is a really good song.

― scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

watery

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

ILM is not that scary and its snippy dismissive tendencies have decreased hugely over the past year or so, and in any case it never was the place of legend where naive young posters would be torn apart by ravenous dogs for not having passed their A-Level Detroit Techno or whatever.

There are people I don't engage much with on ILE and ILM. On ILM its just where there's little overlap in taste. On ILE there are whole groups of people I don't have much to do with.

There is also that weird subset of people whose posts I've been reading and appreciating for years without ever having addressed a post to them (Sterling, JBR and others).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Are there Welshmen on the sheepfuxor threads?

― BARMS, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

If it wasn't for ILM I'd have never known that I'm supposed to like Girls Aloud

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

see, no quote marks.

crossposts

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

ILE is A LOT more snippy and dismissive than ILM is.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Are there any Welsh people on ILX at all?!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well, Dan, you WOULD say that...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

(I'm actually quite happy with both ILE and ILM at the moment, it seems like a strange moment to be having a meta-discussion when both are burbling along quite nicely)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Welsh people - what about Meiron Lewis or whatevahescalled?

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

SOUNDS welshish

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

ILE is A LOT more snippy and dismissive than ILM is.

whatever.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well, Dan, you WOULD say that...

Of course I would, I'm one of the most dismissive people on the board and I post here more than I post to ILM!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

(xpost: whatever. SEE WHAT I MEAN??? Hahaha)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

i don't engage with anyone at all, hardly.

(ps ilm is gorgeous.)

― lundy fastnet irish sea (cis), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

She is a harsh mistress, though.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

ilm is really good. i would never have known about insides if it wasn't for ilm, and they're really good. it is hard to be tolerant of people with bad opinions, but if you don't know them i guess it's easier to be dismissive of them. the only bad thing is that you can read someone's bad opinion and think that the person who said it is whatever, when they're probably really alright in real life. i imagine it's the same over here too.

xpots

― scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

god i'm so bored

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

me too! i have to go to health & safety meeting now.

― scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I have to run some regional reports. And listen to Maurizio.

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

bye

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

There is also that weird subset of people whose posts I've been reading and appreciating for years without ever having addressed a post to them (Sterling, JBR and others).

lots of people are in this category for me, but especially Ally.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

i hardly "talk" to anyone properly, but tend to engage with people who seem to live/have lived in similar ways and places to me.

― NRQ, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

A strange thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

These days I much prefer ILE. Actual entertainment, less hiveminding.

― BARMS, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

just because no-one agrees with you about Cornelius being a better remixer than Jacques Lu Cont

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

roffle @ BICKAWIIINNG upthwead


I used to talk to Ian a lot, but I don't, anymore


― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

i talk to everyone i want to.

― yaydrian (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't talk to people on ilx.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

i kinda lurk. unless there's a window for a dumb comment and the word yo. then i jump right in. but i don't actually engage with anyone. i do try sometimes, but often it slips past unnoticed because everyone is busy engaging with the folks they consider to be groovy. it's a funny place, this.

― g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Dude GIANT KITTENS DESTROYING THE GHERKIN!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

just because no-one agrees with you about Cornelius being a better remixer than Jacques Lu Cont

That's not why. But yes, he is. Come to think of it, fun banter with the Lex and the Mancs aside, I've ALWAYS preferred ILE.

― BARMS, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

BTW, no one calls nickalicious "no one"! No one!!

― BARMS, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

sorry every1.
words don't come easy to me. words just, never mind ebgagement, come diffikkult.

p.s. 3 doors down really really sukks!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

i talk to all the people i like to talk to on ilx.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I talk to people on ILX all the time and my coworkers all wonder why I keep yelling at my monitor.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

which is ALL OF YOU of course you sillies ;)

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

you should, more.

why should we cozen?

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

no, I wasn't talking to you.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

*cannot help noticing that cozen doesn't talk/engage with sven bastard too much, lately*

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Me, I Disconnect From You

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

i was genuinely interested in the reasoning behind cozen's initial statement. often i am intrigued by such short, vague, provocative remarks and seek to challenge them in the hope of fuelling discussion. often, round these parts, it seems to be too much to ask, which seems a shame on the one hand, but on the other hand, it's all just a bit of fun i suppose.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

cozen OTM

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

These days I much prefer ILE. Actual entertainment, less hiveminding.

My problem with ILM is that I am waaaaaaaay outclassed in the category of giving a crap.

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

I could engage more, I guess, but then I'm not on the 'net for long and miss everything. Then there are FAPs, but I don't turn up, I dunno it'd be strange to start going again. Would I be welcome? Would I feel out-of-place? I've let my ILX connections drift, and that's not such a great thing, but seems to be the way with the internet. Is this the right thread for such introspection?

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

tbh, talking to you lot is like talking to a computer

― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

RJG

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/news/images/l/Limp_Bizkit/sq-fred-halle-mtvnews.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

ok ok, I tht you were getting at me. I just ws thinking, this ws posted late at night remember so it's silly too: it's strange, maybe, but maybe not, maybe it's totally rational, it's strange tht given the amount of people who post to ilx and on the myriad subjects they talk abt, I only ever really talk to (or "engage", which means firing jokes past or at, giggling w., skimming fr thr posts &various.) are very few in no. it's like my use of the rest of the internet really, I don't use much of it, despite it being out there and infinite very big, I'm here stuck in my own wee corner. this, it's not a big thread, nor a clever thread, not a thread for bickawing but maybe just a thread fr saying hi to someone you've never said hi to, reaching out to turn down the volume a bit, fr prizing the beer can from someone's hand, yknow?

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

hey jel, i'm sure you'd be most welcome at the regular London ILX get-togethers - I have always enjoyed seeing you the few times you have attended, and that's no lie.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

and the bloc party are rubbish.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

thanks for responding cozen, i appreciate it. i like your style, it is, in a certain way, challenging and refreshing. often i am too pragmatic and this can cause friction, but it is of no great consequence really.

RJG is a dick tho, for reals.


Only joking, RJG. I like your style too. A lot.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

I love you all.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

*hasnot even the moni to go fappin' with tuomas in helsinki, let alone to travel halfway to sheepSoring fuxmongrels*

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I exist in an almost complete void in which my reactions to other ILxers hinge solely on how much to flip the fuck out when they say something stupid about music. I don't think this is all that healthy. Plus I'm pretty sure that's why I never make it onto any of the meta-threads*.

*that or I'm not entertaining

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

ah, thanks Steve, that's good to know!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I feel like I am coated in oxalic acid.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

i always prefer the company of ILXors face to face, everyone is better than they seem online, maybe even me.


Nate, you're alllllllright.


i'd like to know a bit more about t\'\t.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

hu-heh, like wot?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

are you involved or have you ever been involved in any terrorist activity?

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Estonian terrorists?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

what do you know?

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

next question!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

There's 200 of them at least in the streets of London as we speak - in fact they're all outside my window

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

t\'\'t will you play my song on the radio in Estonia, even if it's not very good?

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

You must all beware the grinning Balt, for he has powers. (Powers for good, though.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

have you met him?

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

There are lots of ILX people I admire and would like to engage with more!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

But Spencer you keep saying you're going to make it to a FAP but then a beard DJ event comes up. Er, wait.

have you met him?

No but I have received packages in the mail from him containing Estonian musical goodness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

(excrosspost)

Well well, at the very least I seem to've managed to get some of you talking to eachandoneanother :)

jel - definitely maybe.

Spencer -hi!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

t\'\'t - hello!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

But Spencer you keep saying you're going to make it to a FAP but then a beard DJ event comes up. Er, wait.

I suspect that Gear will make it to one soon. It will be a St Etienne summit FAP!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I kiss you all

― 1999 Memes R me (daveb), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Cozen, I owe you an email, don't I?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

And I get the impression that I have interacted with Nathalie and Blueski and Kate Masonic Boom despite our not, as far as I can recall, ever actually having an interchange with them.

So, hi! Whassup?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Also, the old men on ILM are the least bitter (me, Don, Chuck) (though I do have a lingering resentment over Avril going skyrocket while M2M's second LP tanked; I don't think I've quite recovered my equanimity).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Despite my not ever actually having an interchange with them, that is (though at this point I'm not even sure whom I'm referring to).

And I'd like to reiterate that Dan was right about Xgau's grammatical mistake in the Nas review.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

hey frank! whassup with you?

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

And I'd like to reiterate that Dan was right about Xgau's grammatical mistake in the Nas review.

I am blushing now.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

And I also owe Matt Cibula an email, and Anthony Easton, and Simon Reynolds, and Don Allred, and Josh Kortbein. Sorry I've been such a shitty correspondent. Say, Josh, how're you doing? Josh? Josh?....

Hi Geeta! My book was "unanimously and enthusiastically" approved by the UGA Press editorial board! Now it's in copy editing, from which I've heard no peep in a month. My intention is to keep dropping subtle promotional comments throughout the ILX-Freaky-Trigger Metropolitan Area [subtle? did you read this guy in the Nas comment box over in the Trig?]. Congrats on your Voice features.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Yay for journalistic love-ins (no really!).

Josh is I believe either hip-deep in finishing his doctorate or in fact has done so and is recuperating.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I owe a lot of you email and a few of you real mail. :( I am the world's worst correspondant. I hold out that quitting teaching will improve my humanity overall.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

frank, I have been promised a galley of yr book. apparently, it's in a 'catalogue'.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

jess said yr book ws 'bidonculous'.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

also I have butchered yr 'context of abundance' idea & stole a para from yr essay fr the fall/reissues essay I'm writing.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

frank, I have been promised a galley of yr book. apparently, it's in a 'catalogue'.

Cool. At the moment I know nothing about what's going on with it.

"Bidonculous"
--Jess Harvell

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

cozen, you like the fall now?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

There should be a series of threads where only 3 people could participate, and those 3 people would be posters that don't usually engage with one another. It'd be like Dee, Roxymuzak, and Mark Sinker: GO.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like speed-dating.

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

sounds grate

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

I like this idea!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

It's an excellent idea!

I only ever talk to Ken, Gear and AaronHz. And sometimes Latebloomer. Sometimes Hari. It's the 24 club.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

John Darnielle made a few posts on ILM recently. It was pretty super sweet.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

hi frank - have you ever seen a film called GRUTZI ELVIS? (soundtrack by james chance, arto lindsay among others).

hey I don't post much but to whoever hasn't engaged with me I'll just 'hi' and erm, yeah, how is it going?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I have ever been engaged.

― Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

no, I certainly don't like the fall but I did give it 10/10.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I will supply my own 'congrats'.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

There should be a series of threads where only 3 people could participate, and those 3 people would be posters that don't usually engage with one another. It'd be like Dee, Roxymuzak, and Mark Sinker: GO.

Ned, Mark Grout, Ken, Dadaismus and myself would be unable to resist posting even on these

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

haha

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

that is a fun idea, though.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

Hstencil invited me to an AOL chatroom thing a day or two ago and then I exited by mistake and then forgot about it. Sorry Hstencil!

― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

I retract and apologise for my bitter old men comment. Clearly, I have no place passing comment on ILM when I never go there - Ronan is right. No, I'm not being sarky here, I'm serious.

Ronan was wrong on one point though - I dont think ILM "hate music", never did. Quite the opposite. ILM freaks me out because so many people there love music SO OBSESSIVELY MUCH. And yeah thats the point obviously!

But it made me realise I have no idea what anyone's talking about with about 2/3 of the genres discussed, and didn't want to find out. I guess I Dont Love Music, or... something.

I'm not having a good week. I thought I was jolly silly nice Trayce but I seem to be shitting some folks off lately, I need to shut my gob.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

I Dont Love Music, I just reminisce about when I had a crush on it.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

i agree, with RJG

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

I can legitimately answer "everyone" to the thread title, as I've been hanging around here for three godforsaken years and, although I post (so I'm not officially a lurker), I only post on list threads and the like where I'm unlikely to receive a response. 97% of you rock, though.

― Richard C (avoid80), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

quick someone start a thread, with three or four people, who don't engage, much, then.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

I wish I had more time to get into serious discussions on both ILM and ILE--I'm really busy these days, and have figured out that one-line answers (which can be lots of fun sometimes) aren't especially interesting ways to communicate w/people most of the time. So I poke my head in less than I used to but still get some great stuff out of both boards. But having been to a bunch of FAPs and having met lots of ILxors in person (hopefully even more in Austin next week! holla, Miss Misery!) I've kind of come to the conclusion that I like that even more than posting. And I think that's been true for a few others as well.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

The reason why I don't engage in conversation on ILM, nor do I really want to, because it was established such a long time ago and has been continually engaged in a massive array of topics and conversations that it seems like practically anything that I could've taken part in discussion-wise has already been discussed before, with all the points I could've brought to the table brought up already by people who posted those points three or four years ago.

I would LOVE to be able to say that I can regularly participate in ILM. I would LOVE to be able to click on a multitude of ILM threads and go, "OMG, I can SO add my voice to this thread!" But unfortunately I can't, because I'm always playing catch-up with whatever the ILX Massive is into, trying to hang onto the tail of the caboose of this speedy train but not ever being able to climb on board. Unless the topic is about Duran Duran, that is, which is what I think precipitated my return to obsessively bringing them up every chance I get. Because that's the only card I was dealt with, so I might as well play it in hopes that maybe that will help catapult me into at least the caboose of the bullet train.

ILE I'm a lot more comfortable with because of the vast array of threads that can and are vital at the very moment I've been able to participate in them. However, even here there are the times when I feel kinda lost, as if I'm back on the tail of the aforementioned caboose, trying in vain to hurl myself on board. Mainly this occurs when I feel like I'm one of those people who engages too much in chattiness and things that don't really matter in the end, instead of Serious Dialogue With Serious People.

I mean -- like I was telling an ILXor in an IM, I can do the "shoulder to cry on" thing. I can care about your problems. I can try to provide advice. I can be a good listener. But where's the glory or respect in that? Anyone can do that. Not everyone can converse at length on high literature or ancient history or obscure films or film trivia or something else along those lines. Those are the things that earn people respect. Being chatty or any of the things I might be good at isn't.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

OK, now I'm not gonna buy that one for a minute Dee! Of course caring and being a shoulder to cry on and a good listener should earn you respect! Lawks a lordy, dearie!

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

But where's the glory or respect in that? Anyone can do that

For me theres far more glory and respect to be gained from showing a bit of compassion and interest in fellow human beings rather than a lifelong game of one upmanship of who knows about the more obscure band/movie director/etc etc etc

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:57 (twenty years ago)

there love music SO OBSESSIVELY MUCH

I think let's cut out the love and just say they OBSESS MUCH. ;)

Like Matos said I really don't have the time engage deeply here anymore. I drop in when I'm procrastinating other stuff mostly b/c I created so many good, deep connections in the past I like to keep up with those folx. or attempt to anyway.

only thing sxsw is good for = chance to meet cool people

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

there seem to be ridiculous numbers of people i have never heard of posting on ilm at the moment. i know name changes and my own casual approach to it are to blame for not recognising a lot of these people but...who are they?

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

Trayce and Kate, I am appreciative of what you have said. However, I feel like you're just saying that just to be nice. I am comforted, though, by the fact that you two are two of the individuals I would feel incredibly comfortable with/around and I would highly welcome any future chances of meeting up with you guys IRL sometime in the future.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

So, um, thanks. Really.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't ever say things just to be nice :)

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm one of those people who engages too much in chattiness and things that don't really matter in the end, instead of Serious Dialogue With Serious People.

Dee you really outta come on the mongrels thread. You can be an honorary mongrel. We'd value you!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't think they're just saying it to be nice. it's true. even moreso in the 'real world'

xxpost

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

oops OTM

(my god did i just say that?)

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)

and its not even a reggae thread.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

most of my threads on ilm get very few answers.

this is often because they are requests for info on something maybe a bit obscure that i dont know about

i wish more people would read ilm

because then i might get more answers

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

i love how that statement is always followed by "whoa what kind of topsy turvy world has this become?!!"

xpost

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

haha

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

gareth you should try treating ilm like noize and noize like ilm.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

i forget which is which

ijust tend to think of it all as a bunch of threads really

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

that is to say,idont pay attention to where i am

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

Heh. Okay, I'll be a TITTWISer and Honorary Mongrel.

Anyway, I really appreciate this! And, well, yeah, I don't showcase my "lean on me"-ishness here on The Forum, but if you get me onto IM or private e-mail and you have an issue or some personal crisis that's troubling you, I will be SO patient with you! Guaranteed! And I can keep secrets too. That's another thing I'm talented at doing. Heh.

(I am deeply appreciative, Trayce, Kate, Oops, and mullygrubbr. Very deeply. And, like I said, IM and e-mail are always open!)

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

Likewise.

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

really charlton? on noize you are far more sarcy/combative - kinda reflexive i guess.

xpost

Surreal yr welcome! The fact that in the plthora of name changes/new posters i recognise you means that, uh, i value you!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

wheras a lot of guys on ilm who mirror my tastes are...dicks!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

combative? oh no, you have mixed me up with someone else! maybe adamrl?

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

haha, again.

maybe its combatitive.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

i am currently "engaging" with jon - as per cozen''s recommendation - on the noize board. i don't think i can do it.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

you need ian or someone to be your cyrano

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

I don't have the attn span to read, let alone post on, "serious" threads. I consider myself to blame for that. As far as music fandom goes, I'm a dime-a-dozen, 600-CD indie guilter -- I feel I can contribute interesting opinions and ideas about music, but only within a very narrow scope (and not a very interesting/exotic one). Therefore I'm inclined to lurk, but I need the stimulation of interaction, so ILX must abide me even though I really do feel like a blight most of the time.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

Aaron, just argue incoherently.

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

that's, all I can do

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I think this place (ILE) is great - it's as close to the 'Deadwood' of message boards as you're gonna get. There's very little law, but when justice needs to be served, it comes quickly. The result is this very bubbly, lively stew, which for the most part is a lot of fun.

ILM just seems like the Galactic Senate or something -'The delegation from Christgau wishes to speak...'.

I talk to the mongrel and fuxors, 'cos they seem pretty down to earth and there's a few others on the board that I've got to know that I'll respond to because I know they'll value what I've got to say.

That said, there's a lot of people who scare the fuck out of me and I wouldn't want to talk to, because I'm afraid they would tear the piss out of me in the midst of some feeding frenzy/circle jerk/game of oneupsmanship.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I've never found ILM that intimidating. If there's something on there I know something of i'll post about it and if there isn't I shut up. Just like on ILE.

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

I imagine ILM as a place full of stern young men, milling about, muttering, occasionally holding forth from a soapbox to three or four interested onlookers. Occasionally someone will mutter an insult and they'll clear the floor while a duel is held, after which one is carried from the room, a scar to remind him of his impudence.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

you'd be surprised how much common sense is displayed by the Galactic Senate Mikey.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

HALLO HALLO, CLONE WARS!

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

i pretty much only ever post to australian-related threads on ilm. i'd like to say it's because i know a little bit about australian music, but that is a blatant lie. it's actually just coincidence.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

did you post on my go team thread gem?

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

hmmmm can't remember really. don't think so. i think we were talking about them in a mongrels thread rather than on ilm.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

i have coerced pretty much all of my friends into sharing my love for that go team cd actually. tvthemey goodness.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

roxymuzak didn't mention that i talk to her, sometimes : /

i sometimes have a problem with trying to communicate with people whom i've dropped off with. it really sucks. i don't know what i'm afraid of; that they'll think i'm a bad friend or something?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

I said to someone the first time I heard Ladyflash, "It sounds like music to jump rope to", lo and behold I see the clip a few weeks later which prominently features girls playing jump rope.

xpost

― kate/baby loves headrub (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah you can imagine kid game activities for a few of the tracks on there i think

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't engage with anyone on ILx except for the old folk.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

By "old" I mean the people who were here when I started posting four years ago (four!!??!!).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

Some ILXors have tried to engage me in non-consensual activities before and I've got a FILE on you ALL.

― BARMS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Look I *said* I was sorry, okay?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

Generally I don't add my opinions to threads because I find that they have been voiced already, and more eloquently. I thinks it's lame for me to add nothing more to a debate than "I think so too."

Besides, I'm a fence sitter. I dislike debate. I'm never going to convince someone to change their opinion and nobody will convince me to change mine. Why argue?

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

I think so too.

― Richard C (avoid80), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

I imagine ILM as a place full of stern young men, milling about, muttering, occasionally holding forth from a soapbox to three or four interested onlookers. Occasionally someone will mutter an insult and they'll clear the floor while a duel is held, after which one is carried from the room, a scar to remind him of his impudence.

ha ha, this sounds exactly like the start of a kafka story. beyond the first chamber of ilm is another chamber with more duellers and onlookers; each connected chamber is itself connected to a myriad of other chambers, and so on as far as the mind can grasp. the emperor of ilx has a secret he wishes you, his loyal subject to know, but he resides in the centre of the maze and to reach him would take decades of pushing past the milling crowds of stern young men, not to mention the guards at the door of each chamber, who will need you to prove your worth by demonstrating knowledge of key areas of techno, some of which are yet to be invented. in any case there are rumours that the emperor is dead and his message to you is a forgery.

― debden, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

WHAT IS THE SECRET HELD DEEP WITHIN ILM?

― kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

Level 42.

But not a word to anyone.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

"we're all normal and we dig bert weedon"

xpost

― debden, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

We never got over the loss of Tiffany from pop's spotlight.

― BARMS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

Look I *said* I was sorry, okay?

Say it without the whip and I might believe you.

― BARMS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

yeah or maybe imagine ILM as people talking about records, that would work nicely too, honestly I really fucking can't stand the nervous tittering just because sometimes people on ILM call each other idiots or whatever. big deal, yes it's immature by whatever schoolchild standard of maturity you want to use, but it also means that things get discussed free from people getting emotional or people having to actually hold back as they would IRL.

just get over it and seriously if you think people thrashing out arguments about "stuff I'm not interested in" is funny then you simply remind me of the worst of the worst in a lecture hall/college classroom.

And I don't care how fancily the giggles are dressed up, it's still braindead.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

and every bit as immature as anything that goes on on ILM, even if it given its total lack of investment in anything it can be dressed up as polite and calm.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

shut up you braindead immature idiot

― tony cobbles (nostudium), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

why do you even bother with the aliases?

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

"but it also means that things get discussed free from people getting emotional or people having to actually hold back as they would IRL."

yay! great! it's so laym and immature when people get "emotional" about things!

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

don't be thick enrique, I mean people getting offended.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

ILE vs ILM
ILE vs ILM: FITE!!!!!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Ronan, dude, chill. It's not worth getting aerated about.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

secret = i am the emperor of ilx

delegation fron ronan YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

ps i met a v.nice guy last night - professional journalist - who has been reading ilx since it started (ie longer than me), has never posted (that i know of), and knows EVERYTHING about ALL of you!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

i know that ronan, but people DO TEND to be a BIT MORE HARSH on ilm. imagine if ILB (not that i got there) was like "you HAVEN'T EVEN READ david foster wallace's SOPHOMORE LECTURE NOTES so how can you POSSIBLY FUCKING DISCUSS this new interview in THE BELIEVER?!?!?!?!" which is kind of what SOME of ILM is like SOME of the time.

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

This thread has got me wishing that there really was some deep dark ILX secret lost in the mists of time.

― kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.zauberwald.net/images/auryn.jpg

― kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

ILM just seems like the Galactic Senate or something -'The delegation from Christgau wishes to speak...'

i think this is the best description ever: HOW CAN THIS BE A BAD THING??

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

I'd kind of interpreted Mike's post as a joke on the whole 'ILM is terrifying' thing.

(In a fitting irony, the first thread I just clicked on ILM is this one which is mostly people going DING DONG DING DONG and jumping around like overexcited 13-year old girls. It makes me wonder how many of the most vocal ILM haters actually READ the thing)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

(Enqrique some of ILE is like that some of the time as well and you know it.)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

ps i am sure i have engaged w.roxymuzak AND dee!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.webdjs.ch/euroartists/Urban_Cookie_Collective1.jpg

The delegation from Christgau in conference, yesterday.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

The reason ILM is like that sometimes is because the stuff being discussed has less of a consensus formed about it, and hence there seems to be something actually up for grabs in the debates and discussions.

I just can't really see how discussions of other things can be compared to discussions of music, I listen to a song in 5 minutes, people make a song in 5 minutes, people listen to however many thousand every month. Of course the discourse is crazy and out of control, and of course accusations of ignorance are rife!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

you'd be surprised how difficult it is to hear music without dedication. to get into downloading and all that (i don't even understand how 'slsk' or whatever work) is a step you have to make to get the full ilm flavour -- that's cool, and that's what it is, but it's necessarily going to exclude some people who also like music.

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't get angry that people are intimidated by ILM but it kinda mystifies me. I guess we see what we want to see; it's never seemed particularly fraught to me, but then it was v. small at first wasn't it. I find the jumble of randomness on ILE makes it more physically tiring for me to keep track of all but a few threads. My eyes are more likely to glaze over the list of ILE threads even when the thread titles on reflection seem quite enticing or intriguing. The atmosphere on both boards seems pretty similar to me though.

One of the nice things about ILM is that it's very easy to start engaging w/ people as people by accident through the medium of shared/diverging tastes in music; on ILE I'd feel more hesitant to engage with someone until I have more of a "representative sampling" of who the person is. It's a breadth vs depth thing innit: I have a very strong sense of Ronan as a person (to use an example of someone I've never met in the flesh) even though I couldn't tell you much about him that didn't relate directly to his taste in music. And I'm not sure if there's many posters who don't spend much time on ILM that I would have engaged with frequently or meaningfully.

Engaging is a good thing. I like most people I meet viscerally and almost uncritically.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

talkin to this journalist last night - hi SS if yr readin!! it wz a nice evenin - i found myself

i. defendin momus as a brilliant even-tempered provocateur that i really admired!!
ii. defendin ilm as the MORAL CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE!!!¡¡¡???

(i think i kind of felt him backin away a bit mentally here so we moved swiftly onto other topics) (= other aspects of ilx)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

haha OMG mark i met SS the other week and 'talk' also came round to ilx! he also scans dissensus!!! (i am making an informed assumpsion here about SS's identity, but still)

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

hi SS!

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

yes we talked about YOU henry!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

anyway it made me realise that ilx is EXACTLY LIKE that ARENA ep of old-skool star trek where the smug alien in the audience sez "i wager 400 qwuatloos on the newcomer"

WE THE ARE DANCIN MONKEYS OF THE GALAXY PPL!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

er

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

yeah, we talked about you! i will try to start more conversations about third parties i've never "met-met" in this way i think.

word to ya moms, IRL journalists.

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Dude GIANT KITTENS DESTROYING THE GHERKIN!

w00t!
exactly how i want to be remembered. feel the love.

― g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm very glad St3v3 Suth3rland reads ILX and doesn't write.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

you guessed KORREKT MJ! hi steve!

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Missing a few days of ilx is like missing a month of Eastenders.

― beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

(Bloody hell, I was kidding.)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

[me too -- SIKE]

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

(D'oh!)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm so confused.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

i'd imagine it depends whether read here is in present or past tense.

(200 xposts now to matt DC's how many haters read the thing post)

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

so sinker has been consorting with stickboy has he?

no wonder i've not heard anything from uncut recently gah!

that'll teach me to try it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

the SS undisclosed /= the SS proposed (who i think i wd punch in the eye on sight)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

hey ronan if it's me you're cross with for fancily dressed giggles, i actually prefer ILM, post there more, and have learnt all sorts of things from it, like, for instance to listen to some techno and indian classical and shostakovich string quartets and and and and absolutely loads of stuff. so i'm just mucking around. i prefer reading about music than people's deep dark scary lifestyle issues TBH

― debden, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

my enjoyment of ILM is always vaguely tempered with the knowledge that if I'd been around during its heyday I would've enjoyed it a lot more. as well as knowing a few people better. and there would have been less terrible American indie kids talking about the Arcade Fire.

I still find myself posting on ILM more because ILE is still astonishingly cliquey - I've posted a lot more here since I met all the London peeps in real life, but even so getting into it can depend on knowing, like, a four-year history of the place.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

dude you've been like flavour of the month since November!

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

me?!

haha I am flattered. I've enjoyed ILE a lot more since I met people! but I still wish I'd been around in the beginning.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Alex, I'm sure your modesty is appealing to some of the lads here, but you've always been welcome on ILE. And hey, I get on better with you all IRL anyway, so what's the worry?

― BARMS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

but I still wish I'd been around in the beginning.

me too - i read those 2001 threads and cry

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

(to clarify - the worry is not with the people I have actually met in real life, but there are massive sectors of ILE posters whom I have never even engaged with online, and it's not so much a worry as... I dunno. It isn't a worry! It might be to do with timing, or something.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, 2001 would've been nice. But I should've joined the following year when I first started lurking. It was pretty easy to join in once I was ready (and had finished finals and started my downspiral).

― BARMS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

it's retrospectively frustrating because in 2001 I was just discovering the interweb and what forum did I then spend two years stuck in? a fucking women's tennis one. I only discovered this through Careless Talk Costs Lives!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

could've been worse, you could've been on NME chatroom all day like me

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

:(

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Lex: our Wimbledon 2001 thread (actually Wimbledon: Classic or Dud) would've benefitted from your massive tennis brane. We didn't really get going till the quarters.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

ps i met a v.nice guy last night - professional journalist - who has been reading ilx since it started (ie longer than me), has never posted (that i know of), and knows EVERYTHING about ALL of you!!

How odd. That said, that's probably the only sensible way to approach this place.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Mike - I've read that thread! From 2001 I could've got my tennis kicks here as well, and thus I would never have had to encounter the horror of insanely moronic Williams/Kournikova internet fans.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

HEY NOW! I don't like Kournikova.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

(On a more serious note, the combination of nasty Williams-bashing and indecipherable nicknames have pretty much ruined the tennis threads for me but I'm glad that other people enjoy them.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

also you are not insane or moronic! believe me there is a very disturbing world of tennis fandom out there.

I used to LOVE Kournikova until I discovered her internet fans :(

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

The problem with ILM is that you have to actually LOVE music to participate to the fullest. I think I share Trayce's feelings - I like music a lot, and I know a hell of a lot about it in my own little way; but me and music stopped being lovers a few years ago and, although our current friendship is satisfying in itself, it doesn't rouse me to the passion that seems to be de rigeur.

So I end up being puzzled and frustrated by ILM, and the genuinely irritating bits (YES RONAN WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF BALL-SWINGING GEEKOID ONEUPMANSHIP AND THERE ALWAYS WILL BE) become what affects/influences me the most.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

...

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

The problem with ILM is that you have to actually LOVE music to participate to the fullest.

with respect Mark, this is not 'ILM's' problem.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF BALL-SWINGING GEEK ONEUPMANSHIP AND THERE ALWAYS WILL BE on ILE as well, Mark. Have you seen an American politics thread?

ILM and ILE follow a more or less similar makeup - there are threads that are nice and cuddly and mostly people just going 'OMG this is so amazing!' and there are threads where people are dickwaving about whatever. On both boards. I mean, I read something like the MIA Arular thread, which is one of the best threads ever on EITHER board, and wonder how anyone can write the whole board off in one big glib statement*.

*One of the things, I presume, that Mark dislikes about ILM is the glib dismissiveness. Oh the irony.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

"my enjoyment of ILM is always vaguely tempered with the knowledge that if I'd been around during its heyday I would've enjoyed it a lot more. as well as knowing a few people better. and there would have been less terrible American indie kids talking about the Arcade Fire."

I dunno Lex (and Steve!), I think the "ILM heyday" thing has been a bit overstated. Sometimes those 2001 threads made me want to cry as they were being formed!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

and the genuinely irritating bits (YES RONAN WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF BALL-SWINGING GEEKOID ONEUPMANSHIP AND THERE ALWAYS WILL BE)

and you know, objectively, there's probably some people out there who'd find TITTWIS just as irritating! but i sympathise to an extent and yes a lot of things on ILM do piss me off (e.g. when anon trolls turn up to point the only reason people like MIA is because they're racisalists who want to hate-fuck her from behind but we're really thinking about Richard X or something) but that's okay.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

(On a more serious note, the combination of nasty Williams-bashing and indecipherable nicknames have pretty much ruined the tennis threads for me but I'm glad that other people enjoy them.)

I'm sorry to hear you say that, Dan. I'd always hoped that anyone interested in following a tournament (and heaven knows, you're not going to use ILE as yr primary source of results) would just bypass the convoluted silliness and pipe up with "Whaddabout that tie-break, huh?" or "Is it me or are all the lefties in this event wearing the same shoes?" and we could talk about that.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes those 2001 threads made me want to cry as they were being formed!

i was thinking about ILE more here actually - to be around when the question was asked the first time, as it were (true of ILM to an extent too tho - regardless of actual thread quality)

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

And a lot of what you read as geeky oneupmanship might be nothing of the sort. I mean, I don't know much about rugby and if people were having a big and lively debate about it bringing in all sorts of little historical factoids and stuff I'd be too intimidated and/or disinterested to get involved and it might well look like that TO ME but to the people who are participating its nothing of the sort.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

How could I ever stop loving ILE when threads like A Raging Office Debate: One Space or Two after a period? hit the 200 post mark in like half a day?? Not that I can be arsed to read it now it's that long.

Initially this thread made me think about the people I don't really address personally, but think they are Good Things. I'll just carry on with that I think.

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Matt, why do you never read my posts properly?

I'm not dismissing ILM at all! I'm saying what I get from it, even if it's stimulating at first, tends to boil down to the boasting, sniping and showing off, and THAT'S WHY I DON'T TAKE MUCH OUT OF IT.

Steve is right in that it's my problem, not the board's problem. Maybe if I change that one word, Matt, you won't have to be so snarky?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

I really don't understand what this thread is trying to debate anymore! I rarely engage with people I don't know on ILM, but I can say the same here to a lesser extent. ILM's new answers is always full of lists, one "nu-ILM" thread which has the word "ass" in it's title, two or three interesting things which have usually disintegrated into bickering... on saying that, I read about the Stars album on ILM, and now I might even bring myself to invest in it. Anyway. I don't think I really match ILM's "house style" these days, SAME FOR ILE to be honest!

With regards to ILE, there's just a mass of people who honestly, I don't know, they don't care about me and I can't say that it really bothers me that the bulk of peopple who are to me, random posters (ie most of the regulars!!!) don't know who I am nor care, so I don't make much of an effort. This is fair enough and surely so obvious why am I bothering typing it? You know, I don't think I exclude anyone with my comments, oh hold on, I only talk about chess and Scritti Politti don't I, fair enough.

So. What point are we making here?

No really!

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry to hear you say that, Dan.

Don't be! I never really added much to those threads beyond "GO GORAN! GO SERENA!" anyway. And besides, regardless of how much I enjoy reading them it's great that major tennis events get active, thriving threads on the board.

(xpost to Starry: I think the point being made here is that we haven't had a good metafight in a few months now and people are getting horny for one.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

If they danced with you once it would all change Starry.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

(x-post)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Blimey Mark calm down, I'm not passionate enough about this debate to have a falling out over it.

But yes, changing that word does change the meaning of your post somewhat, and although I disagree that it tends to boil down to boasting, sniping and showing off I can see how people would read a few particularly bad threads and be put off altogether. But I can see how that would happen with ILE too, regardless of much broader the range of subjects is here.

I presume you put that ball-swinging stuff in capitals for extra emphasis which is why I was arguing against that bit in particular. And yes, I did acknowledge the rest of your post - ie that the the issue is as much the poster/reader as the boards themselves. Hence the rugby example.

Aww, Tim's post was dead sweet.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

It's my killer robot dancing isn't it! Actually, Liz is the best at robot dancing. I just shuffle about a bit and occasionally punch the air. Oh dear!

It does sound a bit lame that I know I don't make "the effort" but hey, it's only the interweb innit.

Metafight you say Dang? Oh! One of those!

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I hope SS = Selina Scott.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Hello Stevie! I saw you in Uncut talking about Anniemal.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Other SS's = Sandie Shaw, Simon Says, and OH MY GOD I HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT THE GERMAN SS STANDS FOR OH MY GOD.

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Steven Segal?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, that's the one, he was in that film wasn't he, Das Boot?

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Sid Snot

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm still sorta confused. Can't one just love both boards and coast through them and have a great time without angsting over the amount of time 'wasted' here? (If all timewasting was this great, nobody would call it that.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

One *can* love both boards, Ned, but it's not a lifestyle choice, you love what you love. But if you really don't angst about all the time you spend here, though, I'm a bit worried about you.

(sorry Matt, I don't want to fall out either)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

luckily the statsc0ck is still broke so i am spared the horror of knowing just how much time i spend here doing the angsta boogie

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

yes it is sid snot!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

gimme angsta dawg

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I believe Sinkah was consorting with the gender-flipped resurrection of Susan Sontag, who enjoys the boards far more in her postdemise manstate. Who wouldn't?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

But if you really don't angst about all the time you spend here, though, I'm a bit worried about you.

*shrug* As has been noted by others, this occupies time *really* well when one works a low-impact job. No need to angst over that!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Scliff Sjones

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

we are Ned's window to the wider world. along with an actual window.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I have heard of this 'outside.'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Il n’ya pas de hors-ILx.

― Jackie the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

sid sed he was loving all the work you guys were putting in, but that, hey, did you really all have to be so hostile to each other?

― NRQ, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Horse ILx!!

― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Experimental Horse ILX

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Experimental Horsey de Horsey ILX

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't do the horse

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Can we sleep alone?

― Lucretia Overboard (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Scag Bloc Bologna

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I Love Horse ILX.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sn2000.nb.ca/comp/family-treasures-inn/images/Lily.jpg

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

where can one get one of these low-impact jobs?

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

i used to date a girl who administered them pretty readily.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

But if you really don't angst about all the time you spend here, though, I'm a bit worried about you.

Oh, you are not. If I didn't like you, Mark, I'd use stronger words, but this is just ridiculous. How many meta threads -- or even non-meta threads -- would be shorter if not for the posters who seem to post under a haze of thinking that people who post here should be ashamed of doing so? It's like the sex threads where there's one or two posters who can't shake the conviction that everyone else knows sex is dirty and shameful and wrong -- it's embarrassing, it's projection, and it has nothing to do with other people.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm not justifying falsely when I say that posting here keeps me working better in the real world - I work out frustrations and cogitations unsuited for day-to-day conversation, exist in a pretty thin space with no intellectual expectation, and interact in a limited social sphere - all things unavailable to me at work / school.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

And I don't angst. I do sometimes get horny, but then I visit other websites.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I Luv Pon-- *BLAM*

― BARMS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

chos?

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

There is no more a need to justify time spent here than there is for people in a movie theater to tap you on the shoulder and explain that they've done the dishes, fed the cat, and really do have the time to kill, even if Scorsese is a little long-winded. The constant suggestions to the contrary are the conversational equivalent of smelling someone else's vomit.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I find I read ILM more but post more to ILE, when I post at all: I want to post more on ILM, but I usually can't think of anything to say/find a thread I'd want to post on/think of a thread I'd want to start/etc. And I don't seem to engage with people I don't see at FAPs! except casuistry chris always seems to be on the same threads as me.

Are there really few people who feel like they should post more? I feel like I'm taking and not giving back, making opinions about people who don't get the chance to form an opinion of me, barely out of lurking-limbo despite having been here for like two years or something crazy now. And it feels kind of wrong.

― lundy fastnet irish sea (cis), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I feel that way about ILM sometimes, because I lurk intermittently, but there aren't many times where I feel like I have much to say there (or, because I keep up with it less closely, it's already been said or the thread is stale) -- and it would be odd to post only on the "I probably would've posted here if it had been on ILE" threads like the Tendercrisp Bacon Cheddar Ranch one or the We Built This Starbucks one.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

hi dere Tep

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Hiya Steve.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

cis, i feel pretty much the same. i always thought that one day i would just find myself posting a lot more, but, it hasn't happened.

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Fair enough Tep - it was an affectionate dig at Ned specifically as he's the posting king!

But there is a serious undercurrent - most people on here are very bright and lots a re obviously talented and driven. Do such people not feel that they should spend less work time posting on ILX? I certainly do.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Cis and I, don't talk much, on ILX, but, IRL, it's, like, she's, been my, friend for a, good, long, while.

― BAR, MS, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Hey, trust me Mark, there's not too much more work time I could spend actually working. The nature of the job is that I've perfected it to a science in terms of what needs to be done when, and in fact keep finding new ways to make it more so. Combined with the cyclical nature of the job given the academic calendar, it means there are times when things are really busy (as will be the case at the end of the month) and times when they are just plain DEAD (right now, for instance).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

ah the great California-London cultural divide...

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

when i had a book to complete i took a year-plus off

i honestly think posting here is better for me in-between as a writer than having a regular review or comment gig at [xx] weekly

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

That's cool Ned - you always seem very self-assured so I wasn't seriously telling you to post less or anything! I'm not telling anyone to!

Is there a good thread about ambition, particuarly career-related, which I can't think of right now?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

yes, but i can't think of it either

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Barima, you, and I, I like to think, have a bond that goes beyond, mere words on a screen. xx

― lundy fastnet irish sea (cis), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

i honestly think posting here is better for me in-between as a writer than having a regular review or comment gig at [xx] weekly

It definitely is for me; it's easy to close the ILE window when I'm in the middle of some big project(s), but as I'm finding lately, much harder to close the monthly-writing-commitment "window," which needs the same amount of attention no matter how busy I am. It helps, too, that during the times when I most need to get work done, ILE is less active.

There was a time when I thought having some essentially random writing commitment, just for the sake of "keeping myself writing," was a good thing -- and maybe there was a time when it was -- but those things can be demanding, and the logic can start to look like adopting a puppy as preparation for having a child: it's easy to forget that the puppy will continue to pee on the carpet even when you no longer need to learn from the experience of cleaning up puppy pee.

re: the initial thread question, there are people whose names are more likely to jump out at me -- mostly people I've talked to outside of ILE, or ILC posters who I know better because it's a smaller place -- and people I tend to ignore (in an "Oh, it's a Calum thread, I'll skip that" way), but most people are in between, depending on which threads I've been reading lately.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

could've been worse, you could've been on NME chatroom all day like me

Haha otm.

― Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (Ferg), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Shed Seven?

I skimmed.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

you'd be surprised how difficult it is to hear music without dedication. to get into downloading and all that (i don't even understand how 'slsk' or whatever work) is a step you have to make to get the full ilm flavour -- that's cool, and that's what it is, but it's necessarily going to exclude some people who also like music.

OTM. This is why I only post to ILM threads which are about "older" (i.e. older than four months) music, and why I post a lot more to ILE even though I'm as obsessive about music as the next ILMer. But it's cool, that's the way ILM is, can't change it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

nobody's saying anyone should post to ILM if they don't want to, and of course if people don't like it or don't like the music on it, then it's natural they might refrain from posting there.

but I'd like to see actual examples of "geekoid ball swinging" on ILM, because really I am fairly fucking convinced that this is a bit of an easy route out of admitting that what some people really hate is the way stuff is really dissected on ILM.

and yeah predictably we've once again had to endure the other old chestnut of ILE, that when you say "it's good to discuss things in detail" you mean "I hate laughing and we never joke on ILM" as if it's not possible to make jokes on ILM. once again I think it's worth pointing out ILM is just as funny as ILE alot of the time.

yeah but most of all I just find it funny how the same people who rush to the defence of certain threads on ILE and rant on about how "if you don't like it you shouldn't read it" have no qualms about dismissing an entire board which they presumably never read.

I think the hypocrisy there is undeniable, so I don't really care to argue about it further, a stance/cop out which sits well with the style of the ILM bashing anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Julio - Never saw Grutzi Elvis, but thought the soundtrack cuts were some of the pleasanter, goofier things on the James Chance boxset.

As the proud inventor of the "I haven't heard this but..." review format in Radio On, I find posting on music threads ridiculously easy.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Cis, pure, poetry. x, x

ah the great California-London cultural divide...

Hey, remember when we saw "Ned in a suit" in the pub last night and believed he had in fact crossed that divide?

― Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Why is everyone always seeing Ned in various pubs across the UK? Ken and I saw him in a Hawaiian shirt in Earl's Court once. He was playing the Cure on the juke.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

cool, frank, I'm bound to come across that boxset one of these days (years).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Wow Ronan, I really dont understand how you're reading any of that out of what anyone's said.

Look I feel like I started this, and so I'd like to finish it - everyone misunderstood me in the first place. I was answering Cozen's question, or trying to - I dont venture into ILM much. Gave reason, bla bla. Should have perhaps then said "so I'd like to more". I would. I've tried, actually but most times I post something the conversation sails on as if I never said anything. So I shrug and go back to talking about spaces after commas, sleep paralysis or writing or what have you.

I also never implied I dont think ILE has similar things-I-avoid, because hell there are whole threads and groups I dont understand so I've not wandered by.

Why is this something to get so upset and defensive about?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Also, at no times was I "bashing" ILM. Yes, I said a few posters I find cynical and rude. I also then retracted and apologised for that. I didnt say it about all of ILM and Ive never thought it. So stop it all of you or else!

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

I was bashed by ILM, in a dark alleyway. It rifled through my wallet and stole my Daft Card.

― haitch 2: special low productivity version (haitch), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

As for me, I teleport over there every night and stalk you all in the UK. Er, sorry about that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

most times I post something the conversation sails on as if I never said anything

Trayce that happens with most everything I ever post on too! It doesn't necessarily mean people don't take on board yr opinion - - i hope! But yeah, it hardly feels like engaging!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

i feel that way on every thread ever, just about!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

hey, jed, do you like karaoke?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

hi jed!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

see?

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

hi gaz! i like karaoke, i went to a karaoke bar last week actually. well technically i only like watching other people do karaoke, not doing it myself. especially if there is booze involved.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

bad experience?

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

hi mully! hi gem!

I declare this thread officially pwned by the sheefuxors!

― moley, Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

hi trayce!

― moley, Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Hahah takeover! Hi gaz, moley, gem! Hi jed!

Hi everyone! I love youse all *kisses*

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

hi mully! hi trayce!

RJG ive never Karaoke'd but i guess it can be fun?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

i loves youse all too! *sheds tear*

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

MODERATOR PLEASE CHANGE TITLE OF THREAD TO MONGRELS AND SHEEPFUXORS REFUSE TO LISTEN TO WOLFMOTHER K THX CYA

― moley, Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I'd also like to apologise on here once again for being rude to RJG yesterday - I'm crap at spotting jokes, in this medium, sometimes.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

okay sheepfuxors, now take over the rest of ilx!

― ()ops (()()ps), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

ah feel the love! everyone's engaging now

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

I think it's OK fun!

@lee said he sings @ the horseshoe, sometimes, I think.

I was going to suggest, that a bunch of us go, but, maybe, it isn't such a great idea!!

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

ok oops now i'm imagining some scene in a corny sixties film where loads of hippy aussies skip around in soft focus, cheerfully casting daisies around them to other cranky ilxors

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

no need, to apologise, trayce, really!

I think my "jokes" are not really worth recognising, usually.

; D

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

You know what your problem is, The Rest of the World, you know why you're less happy than us? It's because your beer sucks. Except for Northern Europe - your beer rocks. Northern Europe is excused.

― moley, Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the server located somewhere in Melbourne? Sheepfuxors, we control the pipeline!

ILX prolongs life, ILX is life! HE WHO CONTROLS THE ILX CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!

ok, no more bad 'dune' jokes.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

@lee does a wicked "devil in disguise" - he has a very good voice! i like this idea!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

karaoke is definitely great fun, i recommend it. my friends did sterling versions of 'don't cry for me argentina' and 'you're so vain' (i did backing vocals from the table as i am shy) at a karaoke bar in chinatown last week, then we got into a karaoke WAR with the thai regulars at the next table. it was awesome! everyone got smashed obviously.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

haha, @lee said p3rt used to always sing "deeply dippy".

I will suggest it, next time I see him.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

*skips*

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

deeply *hot*

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

I sang the Human League at karaoke once, as a duet with someone. Only, when we got to the chorus the other guy sang "dont chew on me baby" and I lost it laughing and couldnt sing anymore.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

i think angel in the centrefold is another karaoke classic. you really need a number that captures the hearts of all your drunken mates so they sing along.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

WHAT ABOUT MEEEE, IT ISNT FAIR, IVE...

..I'l get me coat.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

drunken mates could only be an improvement on the nollsy version

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

'orgasm addict' is another sure winner

― moley, Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

Well, we fucked this thread.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Dude, we were *engaging*!

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

Or alarming. I'm not sure now. *cries*.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

i think i don't engage much with the ile-ers who aren't also on ilm. the people who know me from ilm are the ones who give me the time of day on ile.

― lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.abc.net.au/oztrax/stories/John_Butle_m794901.jpg

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

i also wanna say that there's no reason why ANYONE should feel intimidated by ilm -- if someone makes fun of your taste in music, tell 'em to shove it. the posters who are brave enough to start threads about unhip, ilm-unfriendly artists usually find that even the scary music-geeks will stand up for a few songs by those artists.

― lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

seriously, I don't find ILM bad at all, not as unfriendly as it once was perhaps. you want assholes? read a film thread.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

i have to admit, i was totally put off ilm quite early on in my ilxor experience by someone slagging my cliched taste in daggy triphop singers. i rarely tell anyone to shove it, as i am quite shy and not good with confrontation, even online. so i just stopped visiting ilm for a while. but now i lurk again and post occasionally, mainly to list-type threads though. but i do learn heaps from reading the threads in there, which is great.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

if someone criticises my tastes i just follow them around and heartily agree with anyone who criticises them.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

i never even thought of that strategy. i think it's one i could enthusiastically adopt! thanks gaz!!

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

yeah, you've gotta ask yourself "can i deal with a little harmless slagging of my favorite band if it means that i'll discover dozens of bands i might even like better?" not that ilm is a corrective for anything (anymore, thank god), but if you're a music fan, it never hurts to keep learning.

― lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

true dat lychee. still no one likes to be slagged. well i don't at any rate. maybe that's because i am a big WIMP!!

also i have to admit, at that stage i didn't really comprehend the nature of the posters on ilm, i.e. that lots are journos and reviewers etc, so it felt like it was all a bit snotty. not to worry, i have made a turn around!! also i really like being able to search and find old threads about random artists that i stumble across adn don't know much about, i learn more than just chucking it into an allmusic search.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

I like mullygrubbr's posts.

*runs away with hand covering mouth*

― estela (estela), Thursday, 10 March 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

er...

are you gonna throw up estela?

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

hey i just remembered, i met you in a dream last night gaz. you didn't look like what i expected.

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

haha mullygrubbr, it looks like that, doesn't it? Now I probably will throw up because the stress of trying to 'engage' with posters and not being any good at it has upset my ordinarily robust digestive system.

― estela (estela), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

What, you mean he didn't look like Jerry Springer? *ducks and runs*

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

i didn't look like a cross between harold and jerry springer jim?

xpost!

i don't think you have to much to stress about engaging with me estela. well, unless you say my taste in music sucks.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

exactly. can't quite remember the details of the dream though..

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

i hope you didn't see my penis!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

Why? Is it grotesque?

― kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

no, i'm shy.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

haha you fules this really has turned into a mongrels thread.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

Upon arrival of me? :)

― kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

well we have diversified the thread base though, it has to be said. now this thread has gaz's penis and a photo of jon butler!

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

it is the ILX debut of my penis

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

*applauds*

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Hello all the mongrels! I like all your posts!
(if at first you don't succeed etc.)
Are the mongrels fed up with the way Australia has been fawning over Crown Princess Mary and Crown Prince Fred? I don't want to engage with them. I'm starting to wish they'd never got engaged to each other.

― estela (estela), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:11 (twenty years ago)

this mongrel certainly is! WTF? why do we care about her? why is she in the news at all? there are multimillion dollar mining deals, tax and interest rate issues and habib debacles and all sorts going on. also i'm doing constitutional law at the moment and i'm bloody sick of my lecturers banging on about how much australians love a monarchy as evidenced by their obsession with this pixie-faced woman. also what is up with her accent? how has she acquired a danish accent in english? very bizarre.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

AAAAAAARGH!

yes.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

you all know where i work - you CANNOT imagine the torture i have been put through.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

is Fred a dumb mute?

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

oh dear. sorry gaz. at least i can turn off the telly in disgust.

maybe he stole mary's aussie accent and now can't talk as then the game will be up?

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

maybe "they" have gagged him

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

well i wish "they"'d kidnap him (and her) and pack them both back off to whence they came

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

i wonder how much we could ransom them for? adam'll help - he needs work.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

probably quite a bit, they keep rambling on about her jewels and wotnot on the news. adam could dress up as dr who as well, he'd enjoy that.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

danish royalty kidnapped by dr who - i like it.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't know who I engage with. I sorta think of ILX as a colossal spitoon.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

I try and talk to you on msn jer, but you always seem busy and I feel back I'm interrupting, hehe.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

i think i engaged with you a bit Remy. sometime.

are you drunk agin Trayce ;P

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

Nah, I'm not really complaining. I have lots of ILX friends, and I always feel bad I'm hopping on & off, both in MSN and generally on the boards. But I've got a crazy life, and it's not unheard-of for me to disappear, so I try not to obligate anybody to be my regular correspondent. But much love, y'all. And I wuv talking with you on MSN, when I'm around, which is never - lately.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

I feel back I'm interrupting
WTF was I typing there? Im not drunk, no, but clearly I'm nuts.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

Ahhh. I like what the mongrels and sheepfuxors have turned this thread into. Thank you, honeys. :)

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

we are so engaging!

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

erm, as of late i've become, like, engaged by this temptation to quote a certain sentence of stewart osborne's in one of me next rekkid reviews. for reals.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

fwiw trayce, I mainly meant Mark.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

ken c am teh awesome, i should talk to him. maybe.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 March 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

and dan perry, he's good.

in my old ilx days, smee was my ilxing pal, yo.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 March 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

the SS undisclosed /= the SS proposed (who i think i wd punch in the eye on sight)

Yes, don't waste your breath defending me to STV STHRLND, just bop him in the eye. No, wait, I don't want him wearing an eyepatch, go for the balls.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

**Do such people not feel that they should spend less work time posting on ILX? I certainly do.**

We'd all find other ways to slack, Mark, I'm sure.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

Actually I hear theres this guy, Ned someone, he never talks to ANYONE, man what a snob ;P

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

no qualms about dismissing an entire board which they presumably never read.

Ronan, I can't talk to you because you take what I say and turn the whole thing round 180 degrees. OBVIOUSLY not everything on ILM is bitchy or superior, and I didn't say it was.

I, that is me, Mark, said that I, Mark, don't feel I get a lot out of ILM for my very own Mark-specific reasons, given above. I can only refer to my, that is Mark's, own personal and Mark-centric reactions to the board (which I read from time to time, and sometimes enjoy) so many times without coming across like a fatuous, condescending prick, but I, Mark, whose opinions I, Mark, am sharing here, obviously needs to so that you, Ronan, understand that I, Mark, am only talking about my, Mark's, reactions.

(Also, you're the only one comparing it to ILE here. No hypocrisy from me dude)

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Anyone, really.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

funny mark, when I look up there that's not actually what you say. what you said was caps locked and completely over the top. even in the subsequent post, it's difficult to see how

"I'm saying what I get from it, even if it's stimulating at first, tends to boil down to the boasting, sniping and showing off"

I think it's quite clear you don't mean the boasting/sniping/showing off comes from your direction. But of course you can't be seen to actually be being just as cantankerous as anyone else about something, heavens no.

Why not just make the full climbdown from the initial raging outburst instead of a slightly bigger one each post, and say "ok I never read ILM I just assume it's full of wankers".

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

Well you'd have nothing to get annoyed about then would you?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 10 March 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Yes well at least the cards would be on the table immediately.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

But it's not true, Ronan. The caps were a direct response to your "la la la fingers in ears everyone on ILM is always sweet and kind" claim, which is obvious nonsense.

What I meant (you can ignore this bit Ronan as you always bloody-mindedly misread what I write anyway) is that, when I read ILM, the things I do enjoy become overwhelmed by the listmaking, the oneupmanship and the condescension towards the people whose attitudes to music aren't as obsessive as some. So I stop reading because I find it frustrating.

If I liked music more and knew more about it, perhaps I could interact better, have more to contribute and not be so annoyed by these aspects. My loss (which has been my point all along, it's my loss, not yours, so why get so het up?).

I was going to say you shouldn't take what I write personally, but maybe you should, because I'd rather be interpreted as having a go at you than at the whole board. Indeed I'm sure the board doesn't give a fuck what I think, and why should it.

Seems you've made it some kind of personal crusade to skew my words and turn me into a convenient villain against whom the noble ILM crusaders should turn as one.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

**overwhelmed by the listmaking, the oneupmanship and the condescension towards the people whose attitudes to music aren't as obsessive as some.**

There's a lot of listmaking. But I honestly cannot recall any instances of oneupmanship and condescension. Maybe I just look at nice threads?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Markelby otm -- Ronan, I don't know what it is, but whether it's ILM or your personal conception of dance music, you find it very hard to deal with the fact other people may not share your take on things and become aggresively defensive.

It's frustrating for people who do like music to be confronted with the general tenor, which the hataz are not wrong in finding in ILM. Yes ILE is guilty of this too, but not to the same extent.

Dr C. -- there is a hell of a lot of condescension IMO, and I'm not even that much of a hater.

― NR_Q, Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

omg karaoke?!

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

I think I see oneupmanship in the listmaking, Doc - what a perfect way to show you know MORE and BETTER about [topic of music thread] than others. It's the perfect way to impose knowledge without having to do any of the personal interaction that I (personally, me, not anyone else) find stimulating in these boards.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

the worst thing on ILM, as with here, for me is people provocatively blurting their opinions (wot i disagree with) as facts. to be honest it's proven to be a good way to spark off debate but i still really winds me up more often that not. The Tarantino thread, for example, wound me up at first but then became really interesting to read.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

I think Mark's criticisms are valid, tangible/recognisable really but yes I'm not sure ILM deserves to be known for that kind of thing first and foremost. There is a lot of great ideas and discussion on there to counter the chaff.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

of course everyone on ILM is not always sweet and kind, neither is everyone on ILE. the fact that ILM can be so fractious, for many, makes the occasions of positive interaction all the better.

I don't really notice ball swinging/one upmanship on ILM, I really did mean it when I asked if you could point some out, cos your approach seems such a generalist whitewash.

Anyway, if such stuff occurs on ILM, the flipside on ILE is people posting about nothing. Also alot of the fractiousness on ILM is to do with people arguing with those who come in and say something which might be construed as ball swinging, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.

And if I seem to target you specifically it's cos it's not the first time (far from it) that you've made some random comment about ILM, and I'd be willing to bet you glance at it very infrequently.

Anyway, next time someone has a go at TITTWIS or whatever, you should feel quite happy to simply say "well it's your loss" and not "die in a bath of acid you human scum" or whatever your latest mild mannered response is.

x-post-enrique, I'm mildly annoyed because people whining about ILM has been a facet of ILE for so so long now, and none of these people ever post there. ILM is very inclusive of dissidents, provided they're actually willing to put up with it. If you don't like it, the door is always open to say so. If not then I don't think you have the right to flippant dismissals, really.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

boring comment from level-headed universally beloved frighteningly handsome poster w/o obv dog in fite: both boards go through quite unlikeable phases then rise back into fun/value

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

(and that last part is just a re-iteration of what I said already, I don't think people have any well founded criticism of ILM, I think they just haven't the time or energy to post there, FAIR ENOUGH.)

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

to me the listmaking is awesome. How could I have known the best 20th century chamber recordings without said lists? you can learn from them, i thought that was the point! it's like saying people posting recipes on ile are being condescending about yr cooking

― debden, Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Mark S yes, but I don't think this is ILE vs ILM, just a discussion of ILM really, ILE need not be mentioned.

For me, ILM is better when the music I like is better. I suspect that's probably true for others too.

x-post, yeah and the rough guides were fantastic.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

If you don't like it, the door is always open to say so.

Except to me, obviously.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

**I think I see oneupmanship in the listmaking, Doc - what a perfect way to show you know MORE and BETTER about [topic of music thread] than others.**

Maybe. But I think you're assuming behaviour that is probably just deep enthusiasm for a genre/band/era/whatever. No doubt people *try* oneupmanship, but I think it falls pretty flat usually. Why don't you link to an example of what you mean?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

list-making = time-consuming = generous

BUT

any act of generosity can be read as a kind of showing off (jeebus called it the "sin of pride")

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

or the best drone

or some indian classical recommendations

i think it's best to treat ILM as a wonderful resource rather than a social club. I used to read NME etc as a resource in the early 90s in the same way - so sonic boom likes this band called the red crayola, eh? wonder what they sound like etc. etc. ILM has totally guided me in this way. Oh and to whoever recommended David Crosby's first solo LP, fuck you.

― debden, Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

my list-making - done in seconds, though thought about for decades - the purpose: (re)drawing a map for myself so that I can get the fuck out of "here."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

This is funny kind of engaging.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

all the mongrels are up late tonight.

― kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

teh irony. squared.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

(quaDRUPLED, duh! :)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

and an extra one, cos nobody mentioned me.
worst thread ever, tbh

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I think I see oneupmanship in the listmaking, Doc - what a perfect way to show you know MORE and BETTER about [topic of music thread] than others. It's the perfect way to impose knowledge without having to do any of the personal interaction that I (personally, me, not anyone else) find stimulating in these boards.

I don't disagree with you in that there is condecension and oneupmanship on ILM (cf hip-hop threads from 2002-03 especially) but surely the above statement is projecting oneupmanship where there isn't really any. I think to an extent this depends on whether you view liking Very Obscure Music as genuine enthusiasm or passionless posing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Of course you're absolutely right. Both readings fit side by side in reailty, and I'm sure genuine enthusiasm is much the dominant.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

*still intends to quote, without any irony intended, a certain stewart osborne sentence inna future rekkid review*

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

sometimes i wanna bang a drum and sing that "i am so great" song that Bart sings.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

If you do, I will fax you a cookie.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

yet more irony; i don't need to now.
and truth be told, i do sing it from time to time. ALONE.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

I can't be nice to people any more. I've forgotten how.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

But you've not forgotten why, have you? ;)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Sadly, yes.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

aw, now i'm gonna be singsonging "i am so great... i am so great" all day.

― lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

anyhoo, something else that kinda bugs me is how a few ile-only posters actually seem to brag that they don't read ilm. i mean, i don't read the sheepfuxor threads, but it's not like i go around thumbing my nose at aus/nz-ers and calling them snobs and showoffs for talking about cultural stuff i'm largely unfamiliar with. (nb: i love reading about cultural stuff i'm largely unfamiliar with; i just don't have the time or inclination to read EVERYTHING out there.)

― lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

it's to mask insecurity about fear of 'missing out' perhaps, tho this would be irrational really

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

I like both ILM and ILE. Can't get used to other message boards (e.g. Dissensus) whatever their undoubted worth. ILx has the speed of movement and reaction that I like.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

ilx is one big e-mail account

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Actually I hear theres this guy, Ned someone, he never talks to ANYONE, man what a snob ;P

I apologize for the loathing I feel for ALL of you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

hypochrist!!!!!!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

If you don't like it, the door is always open to say so.

"Except to me, obviously."

I obviously meant the door is open to say so on ILM. Hence my comment about how common on ILM, dissenting views about the board are. they're practically a meme!

anyway lychee expresses part of what I have been trying to say very well above.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

ILM's okay!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 10 March 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

It's frustrating for people who do like music to be confronted with the general tenor, which the hataz are not wrong in finding in ILM. Yes ILE is guilty of this too, but not to the same extent.

BWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A quick glance at, for example, any thread about US politics from last year will disprove your point. Or the Tarantino thread that is going on right now.

Is anybody saying "The people who like US politics are threatened by the general tenor of these threads, so the people posting on them should back off on their grandstanding and dissect the issues in a more inviting way"? Of course not. When you're extremely passionate about a subject, you're probably going to talk/write about it (on a message board, anyhow) in a manner that intimidates or alienates the more casual observer. That's true in any message board on any subject.

But if you don't like politics or baseball or whatever, it's easy to ignore those threads. But almost everybody likes music (everybody here, in any case) so perhaps people think that they "should" have something to contribute to ILM no matter what their interest in music. And of course, they are right, but like any other special interest board, they have to be prepared for dealing with people who don't just enjoy music, but are fucking insane about their music. And I'm guessing that nobody who posts reguarly on ILM will apologize for that.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

the Tarantino thread has condescending bullshit of the worst sort, worse than I see on ILM.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

*wonders whether gear and geir 've egaged much...*

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

"anyhoo, something else that kinda bugs me is how a few ile-only posters actually seem to brag that they don't read ilm. i mean, i don't read the sheepfuxor threads, but it's not like i go around thumbing my nose at aus/nz-ers and calling them snobs and showoffs for talking about cultural stuff i'm largely unfamiliar with. (nb: i love reading about cultural stuff i'm largely unfamiliar with; i just don't have the time or inclination to read EVERYTHING out there.)"

Right On! And the opposite is hardly ever true. People on ILM never talk about ILE. (except for the silly ILE-centric thread that I started yesterday after reading this thread. Which doesn't count. Cuz I say so.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

the tarantino thread is 99% very cheerful and funny!!

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

hi everybody! if i didn't talk to/engage with you much before, i am now!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

my glass is always 1% empty! xp

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

(don't you dear blame hstencil!!)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

i am in far too good a mood today to be angsty (unlike yesterday).

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

i killed the thread by trying to be nice.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I think I've failed at being engaging.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

jel, don't you be too hard on yerself-ah! :)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Barry and Scott otm, however it's worth pointing out people ALSO complain about the politics thread.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

This sheepfuxormongrel will happily say, yet a bloody gain, that I *do* read ILM and I *do* try and post stuff there, but a) I dont know much about whats being talked about as I stopped keeping up with music in like 1992, and b) I do post a few things that usually just sail by unacknowledged anyway. Which is no biggie.

Also, y'all are forgetting the Pseudo Echo thread, may I humbly suggest?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

How did this turn into a "which board is better" thread anyway? Its meant to be about the people therein, jeez.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Yeah! I myself said that I would LOVE to be able to participate in ILM's conversations. And yeah, I could just read up on threads, but... well... I'd feel like such a dunce just reading up on all these different things I don't have a single clue about and all these other people do have a clue about them and, well, yeah, back on square one, I guess.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 11 March 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

Today Ive made a point of reading and posting on a load of ILM threads, by some lucky coinkydink a bunch have been about 4AD bands, which has been helpful :D

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 March 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

God, you are so lucky to have that vast knowledge about a whole record company -- an indie one at that. Me, I have no clue about what I might have even the most remote bit of a clue about in terms of music discussion. Sure, there's the usual suspect, but, yeah, like that's going to sustain me on a whole, large forum about the general subject of music. I just... I don't know. If I did get involved with ILM, I fear I might either come across as an idiot or I might never actually get to post anything at all, just sit there in the background like some big lunkhead trying to get cultured. Anyway. Enough rambling on about that subject.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

(And anyway, most people on ILM who would actually want to talk about the usual suspect only know about the singles and it'd be kinda hard getting into the finer details of the albums -- a problem that'd be complicated by the fact that so many people who aren't into the rabid fan thing only seem to want to have the band replicate the sound of their sophomore album, which was released some 23 years ago.) (ANYWAY.) (Blah.)

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

You know what? I could post on ILM, but I feel that many people have a relationship with the music discussed which I have w. film discussed elsewhere. That is: they've spent thousands and thousands of hours studying, reading, critically engaging in music discourse etc., etc., and see any board-contribution which doesn't directly involve them (or exist at a high-enough level) as fine, decent conversation, but ultimately distracting and w./o. engaging them enough. I don't think it's mean-spirited or elitism (and I've acknowledged that I can do it myself), but I do think that in some contexts there's nothing wrong w. being a listener.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

what usual subject is that?

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

I tease, I tease!

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

I think ILE is WAY more intimidating than ILM. On ILM you may be ridiculed for your musical taste which is not that big of a deal but at ILE you have to know all kinds of stuff about life, interacting with people, punctuation, TV shows, humor, etc. I find it all much more difficult to relate to.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

on the other hand remy - although i think yr point is valid - much of ilm is just plain dull to me. people beating on and on with the wrong end of the stick.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I admit I sometimes thought that too gaz but then today, with that cocteaus lyrics thread? I thought "fuck this, this is something I KNOW ABOUT" and i went nutz.

I guess thats the point.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

Pick yr focus. Go hard. Run that ball to the touchline. Dont let anyone tackle you.

I KNOW MORE ABOUT LIZ FRASERS LYRICS THAN ANY OF YOU SADDOS GET OUT OF MY WAY RAAARG,

uhh. yeah.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 March 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

thats right. it applies across the boards. i don't think people should be afraid to ask for advice though. admitting you know fuck all but want to hear opinions is the great thing about ilm AND ile.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 11 March 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

Both ILE and ILM are actually really good at the moment, probably better than they've been for the last 12 months or so - there's a good breadth of stuff being discussed and about the right balance of big and weighty and amusingly inane. Also there's a handful of older poster's who I've missed who are coming back to the fray and I think that both reflects the state of the boards and enhances them.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

b-but how come hardly anyone* on ilx knows anything about acupuncture?

(i have not tried the noizeboard)

*exceptions gratefully noted

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

I do post a few things that usually just sail by unacknowledged anyway

this always used to bother me, a little, but then I realised how many terrific posts I failed to acknowledge - a lot of the time because posting just '[x] otm' seemed a little redundant.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

(speed reading this thread is weird and the posts don't appear to have anything to do with the original question)

Anyway, I rarely visit ILM due to the dissapointing lack of discussion about retro-ambient-acid-trance.

*ignores shouts of "but there's nothing to discuss?"*

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

Noize dudes are more the aromatherapy type I think Mark.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

Aromatherapy and mutual masturbation I think

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

on the other hand remy - although i think yr point is valid - much of ilm is just plain dull to me. people beating on and on with the wrong end of the stick.

-- mullygrubbr


I would love to say I agree but my new job does not entitle me to opinions.

An approach to critical analysis which does not include non-moral causational analysis and depth psychology is mere fascination with baubles, my sober friends. Oh yeah, a bit of whimsy and humour is a fine thing. But there are always exceptions on ILM, and I seek out these fine individuals and relish their insights.

― moley, Friday, 11 March 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Remy said:

I could post on ILM, but I feel that many people have a relationship with the music discussed which I have w. film discussed elsewhere. That is: they've spent thousands and thousands of hours studying, reading, critically engaging in music discourse etc., etc., and see any board-contribution which doesn't directly involve them (or exist at a high-enough level) as fine, decent conversation, but ultimately distracting and w./o. engaging them enough.

I absolutely agree.

Trayce said:

I do post a few things that usually just sail by unacknowledged

I absolutely agree.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

The problem with that is the "they" doesn't really mean alot, in the context of ILM, and I think once again it overemphasises the gravity of the place.

And of course things sail by unacknowledged, that happens non-regulars on any board for months, not least ILE.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

DID YOU DO THAT POO IN ME GRANS FLANGE YET LIKE I TOLD YA LAD GOD BLESS YA

― GARU G, Friday, 11 March 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

i'm trying to eat lunch here

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

so what does one have to do to get people to 'engage' them around here? clearly i am missing the target.

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

i just like a bit of banter, playful arguing, in-jokes.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Friday, 11 March 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

right.. like:

haha sven, you wee bugger. but i disagree! slappety slap to thee! DO YOU SEE??!11one


summat like that?

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 11 March 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

mmmmm, but context is vital

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Friday, 11 March 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

i give up. (please note: that's a lie)

― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 11 March 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

"slappety slap to thee!"!!!!!!!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 March 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Hi t\'\'t; you're probably another person I owe an email to; I also owe the artist formerly known as ramosi.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 11 March 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Oliver Twist
star anise
Thermador
Restore & Restyle
Mr. Coffee
linoleum

Top that!

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 11 March 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

they've spent thousands and thousands of hours studying, reading, critically engaging in music discourse etc., etc., and see any board-contribution which doesn't directly involve them (or exist at a high-enough level) as fine, decent conversation, but ultimately distracting and w./o. engaging them enough.

who are these numbnuts and what are they being distracted from?

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 11 March 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I think this discussion could use an actual example of what they're saying these days on ILM, so:

kelly is all woman,pure woman,perfect woman.
gr8 songs,fantastic voice,nice ass.hot videos

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 11 March 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Did nabisco give you permission to quote him like that?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 March 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

actually anyone who distracts us from Kelly Clarkson's ass deserves all the ire they get

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 11 March 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Hi t\'\'t; you're probably another person I owe an email to; -- Frank Kogan

(That's not strictly true in every possible sense, perhaps, but in my dire times of need & lack it's kind of heartening to read that somebody, albeit theoretically, "owes" me something ;)

Hulloo-hulloo, Frank!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

It required 1/2 a bottle of Chardonnay to read this entire thing. i will now open another bottle and go to ILM.( I have never been). Will report back later.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 13 March 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

I don't know who I engage with. I sorta think of ILX as a colossal spitoon.

otm

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 13 March 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

Went to ILM, read some threads, posted to one about Peter Gabriel. besides me being confused by not knowing enough about music, everyone seems nice so far. Only one glass of Chardonnay consumed. I think I'll go to ILCooking and start a fight. Will report back.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 13 March 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

No fights available. I was invited to ILB by the founders wife (Scott - and Maria) - and then led to ILX by my tend towards political conversations/their desire for me to experience Ilx. I can't imagine getting through the past year without Ilx; my ability to post ballswinging words was a major part of my sanity during this years election in the U.S.. I felt continually educated and enlightened by the political threads.
I really don't know where else to go to find a group of enlightened and compassionate folks who care about the subject.Whatever the subject may be.
I LIKE to argue.


― aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 13 March 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

no you don't

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

aimurchie, yo sober yet? or still liquidly engaged?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Relatively sober. I guess what I like in general - and about this thread - is passion. I may not join the fray every time, but I LOVE everything that inspires people to write their thoughts in a semi coherent fashion. It's communication - and as we get continually lost in an abundance of content, it is nice to see real words from real people, even if it's just "So, I just told my boss to fuck off:C/D".
Getting back to the original premise - I have no contact with anyone here outside of here, except Scott and Maria. Ned and I have certainly engaged, to the point where I feel that, if and when we meet, it will be fun. I felt closer to people on ILB, when that was my regular thang, but I'm really bad at keeping everyone's moniker in my head, and ILX has sorta destroyed my recognition abilities.
I don't do this from work, so maybe that pre-detemines my reluctance to join a "hey,what's up",regional thread. I'm usually here at night and on weekends, and sometimes the silence is deafening.
I think that the fact that I think about it - and you (all of you) think about it, means there is a huge cultural significance to this. If you take that premise as true, then we can continue on and say that this particular culture exhibits the same signs of infighting, sniping and bullheaded rhetoric as any other culture. it also has flashes of brilliance, and a very good evolutionary chance.
I wish I had been here in 2001...well, ok, but wishing doesn't change anything, and progress is promoted through dialogue and events. And dialogue about events, whether it's someone's bad day or the situation in Fallujah.
It's all about communication - everything - and we can endlessly talk about subtext and meaning. But words written down and sent to a board such as this is a positive affirmation of the desire to be heard. We all want to be heard, yes?
On ILB, there was a "poetry thread" that went on to thousands of posts. The strange and wonderful thing about it was that everyone kept posting poems. Not their own poems, although you might assume that poems abound in that community. Just...poems. And the "poetry thread" became a touchstone for many people, myself included.
Every day, going to the poetry thread, revealed some wisdom or laughter that I might have missed.
To me, that was the highest form of communication. And I appreciate every nuance of this form of communication, because without it, I'd be more lonely.
My long responses tend to kill threads, so...get back to your witticisms, please.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

And I get the impression that I have interacted with Nathalie and Blueski and Kate Masonic Boom despite our not, as far as I can recall, ever actually having an interchange with them.

So, hi! Whassup?

I'm mighty fine. Congratulations on the book deal. Have we emailed back and forth? I don't recall doing so.

I wish I was part of the *incrowd* (read: furiously emailing with a dozen people) but then I realize I'm so lazy when it comes to replying... I don't know, I don't think I really *fit* on ILM as I don't have a Tommy Lee sized dick I can wave around. Yet I still keep posting away...

Marcello, did you get the CD I sent you? :-)

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Not yet. When did you send it?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

I think that I presume a lot of closeness with Britilxors that I don't actually have because (1) have lived in London I know many of the places they talk about (2) When I was working on the East Coast at 5AM last spring I intersected with them a lot more than I do now in California and (3) I secretly consider myself British.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

1)I have lived in London & I know many of the places they talk about / frequent

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

Last week. I think tuesday. Should arrive this week. :-) I included an apology note! :-)I swear that next time you won't have to wait a month. Was it that long or even longer? :-(

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Monday, 14 March 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

For gawd's sake Nath STOP APOLOGISING!! ;-) It's the "managers" of our lovely South London postal service who should be apologising to me for their luxury one-delivery-per-week system...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 14 March 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

i really really miss talking to dee. she was awesome and made me feel better

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 March 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

she's always in the This Is The Thread Where I Say threads

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

There should be a series of threads where only 3 people could participate, and those 3 people would be posters that don't usually engage with one another. It'd be like Dee, Roxymuzak, and Mark Sinker: GO.
Ned, Mark Grout, Ken, Dadaismus and myself would be unable to resist posting even on these

-- Sven Bastard (stevem7...) (webmail), March 9th, 2005 1:04 AM. (link)

I would like to point out that I have not posted to this thread.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 March 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

hm, that's a pretty engaging point to make!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 14 March 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

wheeee!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 March 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

"I wish I was part of the *incrowd* (read: furiously emailing with a dozen people) but then I realize I'm so lazy when it comes to replying... I don't know, I don't think I really *fit* on ILM as I don't have a Tommy Lee sized dick I can wave around. Yet I still keep posting away... "

Nathalie although we haven't interacted a huge amount directly I've always thought of you as a bit of an ILX lynchpin. Actually I've always mentally grouped you with Nicole W, which obv is a huge compliment as I luv Nicole.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 14 March 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

Actually I've always mentally grouped you with Nicole W, which obv is a huge compliment as I luv Nicole.

You don't even want to know what I misread that as...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 March 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

ask cozen

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

In old ILXese: huggelz to you all. :-)

― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Aw

I should engage more

I think I'll move to Australia, they all seem quite engaging.

Or maybe I should move them all to Ormskirk, and get them jobs on Hollyoaks.

Yeah, that'd be nice.

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

The problem with ILM is that people like Mars Volta too much and are so sensitive about it. Boo hoo, Mars Volta is nothing like Yes! Sob. I will go cry into my gatefold now.

And my other problem is that I just don't know how to talk to people anymore.

― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

i really really miss talking to dee. she was awesome and made me feel better

Awww. I miss chatting with you too, hon. Hugs.

she's always in the This Is The Thread Where I Say threads

Ha ha ha ha. Thanks for reminding me about my not keeping up with my TITTWIS responsibilities lately! Really, though. I needneedneed to start keeping up with that thread series again, and I needneedneed to read the mongrels/sheepfuxors thread too, and, well, yeah. Needneedneed!

Anyway, I should engage with a whole bunch of people I don't normally engage with on this thing, this is true. Which means I'm going to be doing a heck of a lot of engaging here on this thing.

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

(Oops. I overused "this thing". Uhhhh. Duncehood? Maybe. Please replace the first "this thing" with "ILX". Thanks.)

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

(Starting now.)

Hi, Sara Sherr! *waves* You definitely could school me in the world of music, so... um... what's up?

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

(Coming back to add: IF this actually works, I will faint instantly.)

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

i am talking to myself again, right?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

hi stence! long time no engage.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

Hi stence! *waves* What's up with you? And hi Mr. mullygrubbr! I can totally see you now on the mongrels/sheepfuxors thread but here's a wave for you! *waves*

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scifig.com/picar1.gif

― ENGAGE (nickalicious), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't engage much with the antipodean brethren, but I like them.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I wish I was part of the *incrowd* (read: furiously emailing with a dozen people) but then I realize I'm so lazy when it comes to replying... I don't know, I don't think I really *fit* on ILM as I don't have a Tommy Lee sized dick I can wave around. Yet I still keep posting away...

Yeah, I'm bad about replying too (and about keeping up with threads). Though given that most emails to me are about the insufficient size of my dick, or about how to increase the volume I ejaculate, I'm generally at a loss as to how to respond.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Nathalie, I remember about a year ago on ILM begging you to return to a thread, but you'd evidently left the building by then. I don't remember what the thread was.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

(I would like to take the opportunity to say that I remain unfainted.)
(Just to let you know.)
(Oh man, I wish I had bet some good money on this thing.)

(Anyway....)
(Hi jocelyn! Have I "engaged" much with you before?)

― Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

Can I just say that Nickalish's Picard picture is like, the best post by far on this thread bar none. Thank yew. heeehheheheeee!

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

I never did get any australians a job on hollyoaks.

But as it turned out some goon from hollyoaks went and got a job in australia.

― Matt, Friday, 5 October 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago)

God I was a bellend on this thread. :(

― Trayce, Friday, 5 October 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago)

the mongrels took this thread over! that's funny

― gem, Saturday, 6 October 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago)

where's aimurchie these days? Alison, if you're lurking, reveal yourself.

― Maria :D, Saturday, 6 October 2007 01:55 (seventeen years ago)

My ILX posting has declined since I started using Google Reader to kill time at work.

I MISS U ILX

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 October 2007 01:58 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

I used to talk to Ian a lot, but I don't, anymore

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, March 8, 2005 11:27 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark

― the most astonishing writer on ilx (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago)


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