If your partner regularly falls asleep on the couch w/o tooth brushing

Thankfully my wife and I are entirely comfortable with saying "your breath stinks" to each other without fear of offence.

I'm comfortable saying "your breath stinks." I say it whenever it needs to be said. But, I'm not comfortable playing a parental role with an adult and getting into the same kinds of fights one would expect to get in with a child.

Fancy a snog dahling?

I've witnessed and been in my fair share of relationships. There is always something like this, if not worse. We get along quite well about most other things and this person is genuine and nice, unlike 90% of the world. Just fucking tired at the end of the day and stuck in old habits.

I'd really love to see this as a reason on divorce papers. Sorry, but I find it rather silly. You say you can't talk about hygiene with your partner. WTF. I mean, it's your PARTNER, if you can't talk to him/her about hygiene...

Everyone else, all at the same time: "THAT'S HAIR NOT TEETH YOU CLATTY BASTARD!"

Uh, hello... "Irreconcilable differences?" This is typically what's cited for all these kinds of issues; when you realize your partner is just not the right match anymore.

Also, I didn't say I can't talk about hygiene with my partner. Where? Reading Is Fundamental. I said I'm done talking about hygiene with my partner. It's not my job to be a parent to a full-grown adult.

Control freak much?

Basically, the with-holding of kisses/sex is a way of saying, "You're being fucking gross and I'm not attracted to you because when I look at you, I am grossed out, so keep on being gross and this relationship can go right in the toilet along with your teeth."

I don't want to end up with someone who's going to let themselves go to hell. I think you should keep yourself in good shape as a matter of self-respect, not to mention out of respect for your partner.

But you know what? OK it revolts me and we go over it all the freaking time, and he knows its an issue and tries to fix it, but whatever. I love him, so hey. We deal. Theres this thing you know, its called loving someone? It tends to assist in such situations.

Jus' sayin.

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No, it's about an upper middle class urban person. If this person was raised in a barn, I could understand. Hell, I'm the hick from the sticks; I should be the one with the poor dental hygiene, right?

It's especially bad when this person's father has "soft teeth" and all kinds of dental problems and this person looks more like daddy than mommy. I suppose it is possible to have daddy's face and mommy's teeth, but I don't know that mommy's teeth are in any great shape either. I've never asked.

xpost: feet can be fixed. And they are covered by shoes. And you aren't generally facing them during moments of intimacy. Gum disease and dental rot poses a much greater problem. Feet also don't fall off and you don't go get feet dentures and partial feet after a life of owning stinky feet.

Still, fair point.

Harrassing this person, hassling them, and leaving agressive notes on their personal items ("Use me for fuck sakes!"?!?!?) is really not going to help.

YOU are not acting like a partner. You're acting like an over-controlling parent figure. So are you surprised you're getting the response you are?

an upper middle class urban person.

This explains everything. Ever watch Too Posh To Wash?

It sounds like this person wants you to dump them over their teeth so that they can say "jesus christ, imagine someone dumping you over your TEETH!" Nobody sleeps solidly on a sofa for twelve hours every single night.

YOU are not acting like a partner. You're acting like an over-controlling parent figure. So are you surprised you're getting the response you are?

This started off verrrry slowly and gently and has gone on for years now. Only recently did I start to make a point of waking up person every night and saying, "Brush your teeth." Then, I got in casual conversation (though, obviously not too casual because how can you be totally nonchalant about this sort of thing) about flossing, my old boss's gumrot and how important flossing is. Then, I would beg this person to floss. Point is, if I didn't mention it, neither brushing nor flossing would occur. These were not full on fights as you're probably imagining, but more like me being forced to play the role of nag, which I have no desire to be. I feel bad about mentioning it, but it must be mentioned. But, after a couple months of this, I can't keep fucking doing this. I put the drawing on the dental floss so that I wouldn't have to be a nag. It didn't work the very first night. I asked, "Did you see the note?" Response: "Yaaaahssss, I'm too tired... .(snore)..."

I do wonder if I would be single for the rest of my life if I did that. I'm really bad at meeting people. Before this person, I hadn't been with anyone but a couple one-nighters out of sheer luck for 3 years. My friends had to drag me out and my conversation-making skills were miserable. But, yeah, my feeling is that it might either happen sooner or later, like after we're married and it suddenly sinks in for real: hey I'm fucking trapped here. I don't want to be trapped here. I need a divorce!

I Hang out here and annoy everyone, read a book or watch tv. It's usually more like 7:30. Sometimes she can make it until 9, but this week has been 7:30 every night.

There's a woman I work with who says she's in bed by 8 or 9, I think. All the married people I know seem to have pathetic relationships like this. Women often let themselves go to hell, guys are accused of being permanently "out to lunch" and all that sort of shit.

I'm thinking it might be a good idea to just go ahead and get married for the security and then actively persue extramarital affairs like seems to be so popular. Actually, I read a funny New York Observer piece about NYers love lives and it made it sound like quite a joke. One guy lamented that he can't financially afford an affair and that's the only reason he wouldn't have one. He wasn't concerned about divorce costs, he was concerned about the costs of hotels and extra cell phones and covering up the affair with the guilty gifts he would give his wife.

You're not in this relationship because you love him or her, you're in it because you're scared of being alone.

In which case, I think you deserve to be alone.

I love the person. As far as fear of being alone, isn't everyone? Isn't this what lack of love and desire for love is all about?

In which case, I think you deserve to be alone.

Well that's great.

You can't read a few posts and expect to know the complete situation, I do hope you realize. I think this person loves and respects me, but doesn't comprehend how this is disrespectful and is probably exhausted due to depression over finances. I can be understanding, sure, up to a point. That's why all I'm saying is, "do me a favor and brush your fucking teeth, THEN pass out all night."

Also, I wouldn't say I'm afraid of being alone again, but after my last relationship went sour (and the one before that and the one before that), I started thinking that no matter what the issues were, it was better than being alone. Of course, I've never really had issues the way some people have issues in their relationships. Nobody's ever been beaten or ripped off are mentally abused, etc. I have had the majority of my time on earth spent alone, even with a partner. I'm used to aloneness and I like it, but I also know from those last 3 years between relationships that being alone can do quite a number on you that you don't actually realize at the time. Falling into that circumstance again would be a little intimidating is all I'm saying. And so if this can be worked on, I'm willing. Or, I joke with the idea that I might just go the easy way and become a cheating husband like everyone else. I don't know why I feel so compelled to be "moral" all the time, but this was a joke. I'm not much of a cheater.

Ah well, I misread this line:

If there is anything a person does not want to get into a debate about with their s.o., the person they are supposed to love and be attracted to, it is something as disgusting as hygiene.

I assumed you couldn't/wouldn't talk to him/her about it. I mean, seriously though, I don't really care.

Haha actually yes. My flatmate told me this tale once of when he went to the Reading festival and those dudes who tipped over all the portaloos and set it all on fire!!!! fucking grim.

One among many reasons this question seems made up.

So how did you ever get together with this stank-mouth biddie in the first place, if you're so floss-forward and she's all petri-breath?

She wasn't always passing out on the couch at 7:30 and she did go into the bathroom before bed, which is generally what people do when they're brushing their teeth. Her breath didn't become an issue until a couple years ago. It is not persistant or I would have said something more often a couple years ago, but it began to revolt me one day specifically early this summer when we got in the car and I said, "Listen, you have to know your breath stinks. I try not to say anything about it because I don't want to hurt your feelings, but if my breath stunk, I would want someone to tell me. Your breath smells bad. A lot." Since then, more of an effort has been made, I gather, as there is not so much of a problem anymore. There was some mouthwash buying for a while. But, that all went away again and now it's back to drooling away on the couch.

I forgot to point out that her response was one of confusion and embarrassment, for she had just brushed her teeth! So, yeah, you know you've got a problem if your breath reeks immediately after you brush it.

After this incident, I laid low for a while, figuring she was feeling bad about it and was taking care of things. Now it seems she's like, "Ah fuck it, I'm just too tired." It's not like she's a drunk or a junkie, either.

You'd be surprised, but people's mouths do sometimes actually smell like an unwashed rectum. Literally, not figuratively. This is due to poor brushing habits, especially lack of flossing. For those of you who rarely floss, go get some dental floss and floss your back teeth. Smell the dental floss. That putrid ass-like smell is what festers in an unflossed mouth, rotting between the teeth and infecting the gums. And people can not usually smell their own bad breath. This was a tip I got from my dentist many years ago when I told him I 'never got anything anyway' when I flossed. He did not say "ass smell," mind you.

Not necessarily.

It's not that you deserve to be alone, it's that nobody else should be forced to be around you. At least we now know that you're apparently well familiar with the smell of unwashed rectums, which is some justice.

Do you wear a lot of striped shirts to work?

Probably definitely an actual doctor if she's exhausted constantly, passes out for almost 12 hours at a time EVERY NIGHT, and smells bad despite an at least semi-regular hygenic routine.

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Probably definitely an actual doctor if she's exhausted constantly, passes out for almost 12 hours at a time EVERY NIGHT, and smells bad despite an at least semi-regular hygenic routine.

Damn right! Do something about it. What is the rationale for doing nothing about it? I just don't get it. Do I have to be insulting for her to grasp this concept? It appears so, because she only seemed to take notice that one time in the car when I told her straight out. She seems to think it's related to this permanent retainer she has cemented to her lower front teeth and said once she should just get it taken out. Well... still waiting on that one. Also, isnt' a permanent retainer just the perfect kind of weird device you would want to power clean with a Sonic toothbrush?

Dude, I have SEEN your picture and I have READ your posts. You're an ugly asshole who knows about computers. You're such a goddamn cock, I'm surprised you're not a lawyer or a stock broker or something.

Anyway yes if she's horribly depressed she's not really going to bother going to do something about it because she's not going to ahve the energy to go to a specialist. You do not have to get insulting about it because that's going to make her problem a lot worse. But I mean what kind of person isn't aware of that?

Yes, also mentioned in that dental link I posted above. I lean a bit toward the Jerry Seinfeldish side where I brush my teeth for about 5 minutes twice a day and floss regularly, but I don't expect everyone to necessarily be this way. If you do this, however, you notice the incredible difference of a clean mouth; how it feels and what it tastes like. When you go to the dentist, they're shocked by how clean they are, not appalled by how bad your flossing obviously is. It's hard to know the difference and not be disgusted when someone has stinky breath and seemingly doesn't care.

I would be too living with this lousy fuck. Somehow I suspect that Mr. Mysosso "withholding sex" isn't going to really be much of a shift in their routine

But, I don't know, something like this, I guess:

"You know I love you but, you're grossing me out here. I have to explain this to you in a way that you'll finally 'get it.' Sleep half the day, fine, whatever... but get in the habit of brushing your teeth first, please, for me! It's not that hard. We know you have a set pattern of falling asleep, so do it before you activate sleep mode. When I see you there drooling all night, I just get grossed out. I can't be grossed out by the person I'm with. I just can't. I tried to help you and then I tried to leave you alone, but if I don't bother you about it, you don't do it. Do you want to end up with a mouth like Baba Booey? That's where you're headed and believe me, I will not be able to be around you if you have 24/7 stankbreath."

And THEN if there's some big argument, I pull out the, "Fine, you know what? No more kisses and no more sex unless you get in a new habit. We've got the "no sex" part down already, so it's not going to hurt me to go without kisses, too, but I've never known a relationship to last without either. So it's your call and I'm serious. I get grossed out. I can't get turned on if I'm grossed out."

You're talking about someone that, if your story is all true, has some kind of serious problem, possibly "just" depression, possibly health-wise too, you should not be addressing them in an insulting fashion because it's not going to help.

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It IS about the teeth, believe it or not. I may suspect the sleeping is due to depression, but who the fuck knows? Her mom has the same problem of passing out on the couch. Her dad is out by 7 every night, too. And anyway, she just says she's tired from work and can't keep her eyes open. She misses plenty of shows she wants to watch and is disappointed she couldn't stay awake. It isn't really about the sleeping that bothers me. If she's awake, it's not like anything exciting is going on anyway... and that's not the problem; neither one of us is in the mood to do anything except on the weekends. We just hang out and have dinner, play with the kitty, watch tv and talk. When she falls asleep, I sometimes am kind of happy because I get to do whatever I want without ignoring her.

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xpost: Let me put this as delicately as possible. Old school is right. It's over. You suspect the sleeping is due to depression, but rather than see if your partner is depressed, you say who the fuck knows, and thank god, because now I can safely ignore her without hurting her feelings. MY GOD MAN LOOK IN THE MIRROR etc. etc. You are hurting both of you with your disregard for anything except huow goddamn clean her mouth is. What are you, a fucking horse doctor or a human being?

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Her being "depressed" doesn't seem correct to me, exactly. More like exhausted from trying so hard. Frustrated due to financial difficulties, yes. But she just got offered a position to make $70,000 which takes care of everything. She was worried about how TIRED she would be, so it's not depression. Nothing too out of the ordinary for any human being. She doesn't mope around or cry or shut down or act strange. She's generally happy acting. I did not mean to imply I think she is in all time deep funk and to hell with her because her mouth stinks.

Whether she's happy or not is not something we haven't talked about, so you know. We have a working relationship going on 7 years now and we always are amazed by our friends' seemingly terrible relationships. We know each other pretty well and we love each other. When people love each other, you might have noticed, they start taking each other for granted. I think that's what's happening here.

It's about the fucking teeth!

Anyway make a big show of brushing your teeth and make it a group activity or something, a competition to see who can brush their teeth the longest every night at 7pm.

Her mom and dad both do it. Her dad's kind of a jerk, but her mom is great! Shit, her sister does it, too! Her sister is a bit neurotic, but she's a go-getter. They all say it "runs in the family." She grew up with a tv in her room. Just last night she said she wishes there was a tv in the bedroom as a joke because she actually got into bed for once and was missing the noise of the television. Maybe it is you who is the douchebag for assuming too much.

Make up your mind, you sick fuck! You just spent an entire thread bitching about what a disgusting couch-sleeping drool-down-the-chin cuntbag your girlfriend was, like she was some mangy badger that just wandered in and settled down on the sofa, and now you're backing off into this magical world where everything is fine and wonderful and twee kitty-playing lovely except for her breath? Brush them while she's asleep, then. Or else, let's see, I dunno, maybe just tell her again that it's a problem, and maybe not in a way that involves saying insulting shit like "you're grossing me out" and "let me try and put this in a way you'll finally understand (you stupid mangy-badger foul-mouthed skankbag rotting away like a corpse on my furniture)?" Maybe, like, I dunno, be nice about it? What with her dental hygiene supposedly being like the one problem you have, shouldn't that be easy? Or like maybe instead of sitting her down and telling her she's some kind of horrible ass-mouthed rectum-licking pathetic excuse for a human, you could just like gently point out when the breath isn't working -- like, "oo, lemme give you a kiss ... oo, wait, hold on, breath, let's brush our teeth" -- until such point as she has to get cracking on it herself?

No, she definitely gets bad, bad, BAD fucking breath. But she does not have the "ass-smell" breath I am talking about. If bad breath were wine, I would say her breath was not aged long enough to get the full-on "ass-smell" bouquet. It is not just garlic or onion breath. It is a scent that has me worried, which is the whole point. It smells more like rot or disease than old food. If she brushes her teeth well regularly, there is no problem, but if she gets half-assed about it, there is a problem.

It is gross to see her lying there with the offending orifice drooling away! Otherwise, it could be cute.

Still, though it boils down to the same thing all these type of threads boil down to: "I am having a difficulty with my boy/girlfriend, please tell me I am right and he/she is wrong; also do not insinuate anything else about our relationship because that could possibly reflect badly on me."

I mean, that's if you don't have the guts and/or relationship to just talk to her nicely about it. Alternately you could just tell her that dental hygiene is just part of who you are, and you're super into it, and maybe some weekend the two of you could go to the dentist together, cause it's clearly your favorite thing in the entire universe.

It's hard to convince someone of preventative measures and it hasn't worked at all so far. I've made it clear, both politely and naggingly, but never offensively so far, such as "you're grossing me out." She knows that she's got "an issue" and she needs to stay on top of that issue or it's going to get worse. And when I was nagging, I would ask, "You don't want to end up like my smell old boss, do you?" It doesn't matter what I say because she's TOO TIRED! Thus, the sleeping compounds my disgust, because it is just lazy. I don't care how fucking tired you are, you can plan your night enough to spend 5 minutes brushing your teeth before you plop on the couch in your jammies with the kitty snuggled up close. She has time to take nice hot baths a couple times a week but no time for the teeth!

Anyway that doesn't make sense, I mean she could just brush her teeth after eating and putting on her pajamas. I mean it doesn't sound like her problem is her hygiene, it's something else.

This would so not work, but it's a nice thought. She is not 5. I've actually done this just naturally, not as part of any strategy, and her basic response was, "oh, I had garlic." And if I suggest that she go brush, the response is inevitably, "James! I'm too tired. I will later." She doesn't. Ever. Not if she falls asleep.

She would have an odd way of showing it.

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Here's the thing: I DON'T ANNOY HER EVERY NIGHT. I just started doing it 2 months ago and it very quickly escalated into the "you're not my mother or my father" exchange. She didn't want to be forced to do it becuase she obviously doesn't care or isn't sufficiently convinced that there is really a problem. I asked her once if she EVER flosses her teeth and she was like, "Yeah, I do." I asked, "Recently?" And she answered all defiantly, "YES, RECENTLY!" Then, I asked her if she had noticed there was no floss out for the past 2 weeks and what floss she used "recently" and then she got mad. Understandably, of course, because it was a set up.

hahahahahahahahaha awesome me too.

But what do you think it is? I know she loves me and I know she doesn't want to leave or want me to leave. I think it is just the fact that she knows we really love each other, so it's like "Ah, fuck off" the way you start to take people for granted you love, whether family, lover or friend. It's kind of like they know you've got their back no matter what, so they're not worried, well unless you really fuck them over. And I've never been the sort to play mind games like "if you don't do such-and-such, I'm LEAVING!" This is why I figured the no-kiss/no-sex thing might be a good solution; because it's something I've never done before. I don't want to leave her, but I don't want to be stuck with some stanky-ass bitch later on, either. I don't want to get a divorce ever. That's always been a big issue with me, which is why we're not married, but by next year we should be married and living in a house, so I'm wondering if she's just going to let herself go to hell or what. There's no polite way to ask that question.

They're kind and considerate, helpful people! Or bored and entertained!

Hey, not everyone can be hitting the scene throughout the week like you studs. She's a teacher of very small children and still starts work at 7am. TV on the weeknights is often far more interesting than anything else I can imagine doing out there in the real world. Bars? Bands? Clubs? Movies? Restaurants?

If you can't be happy where you are, you're not really happy. Stop running away from life, friend. Pull up a couch and watch a little tube.

Meanwhile, everyone seems to be in here 24/7, so I don't know what's so bad about watching tv. At least it's something a couple can do together, unless you couples all have your own laptops and crosspost the night away.

I didn't mean it as an insult. I just see a lot of the same faces at all times of the day here.

No, I'm not. Everybody else started diagnosing the relationship like there was something really wrong. I've tried to assess the situation for you by answering all your probing questions about depression, etc. while still focusing on the main problem of tooth-brushing, stankbreath and the current situation / stand-off.

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This I can never figure out. Both the interest in making the big announcement and the surprise factor this always generates. I mean, are ya that fucking stupid? And are ya that fucking proud of yourself? You're not smart enough to realize I've had a total logged-in identity now for several years that nobody knows about, right?

No, I knew that was fucked up when I did it, which is why it came off as more of a joke. The smiley face really was cute and she really was not offended. It truly didn't phase her. She somewhat laughed, unoffendedly, and then said she was too tired.

Anyway if it didn't phase her she would be doing at least something to placate you. Do you not see the catch 22 you are creating here? "Oh she was fine with it, she just refuses to do this EVEN THOUGH SHE KNOWS IT UPSETS ME GREATLY."

Not necessarily; she was obviously very fucking tired. She does not like to wake up when she moves from couch to bed, she brushed her teeth to placate me, but not the floss. She doesn't seem to care about floss. And her brushing's half-assed at best since it seems to only last a short while.

I wasn't necessarily interpreting that post. Suprise may be the wrong word, though... more like, "OH yeah! Duh!" but I guess that is surprise, isn't it? Surprise at yourself for not realizing it.

Well, thanks for all the opinions. I'm going to do my best to follow the suggestions here. The reaction to my plan was too hostile, so it probably would not go over well with her, either. I really wanted to do it and I really thought it would work. But, what I'm looking for is a solution that will make the relationship better not worse. I guess I will try the "oopsies, you've got bad breath" kiss trick even when her breath is fine so that she brushes her teeth every night like a paranoid fool. Just kidding, I will get tired of that too quickly.

Then, if you love this person, get them evaluated for sleep apnea, for depression, for all the organic things that make a person too sleepy to have a real life. If there's nothing wrong, fine. At least you know. The fact her family all does it too does not make it normal.

It sounds to me like you are both big into passive-aggression and that just gets worse.

The genders of the S.O.s in this question are completely counterintuitive.

I meant to leave the gender issue out of the picture so that nobody would assume too much. But this seemed to be the case despite my efforts; some people just assumed I was a "nagging bitch."

Guys think they're above nagging. They make fun of their wives for nagging them. But, guys are typically the ones who have a problem with their partner "going to hell" and guys are typically pickier about their partners' looks, but they're not usually the ones to "nag." They just become insulting, up and leave or start cheating. As if that's so much better. More macho, I suppose, but not better. And if that sounds stereotypical, well, there are enough people who fit these stereotypes for enough people on this thread to assume that I must be a chick complaining about a dude. All the marriages I'm immediately familiar with at the moment consist of a man who makes "little comments" about his wife's appearance. That's just a meaner form of nagging, really. And I don't like to nag and I don't want to nag, which is part of the problem here.

If she needs 12 hours of sleep a day, you both have to deal with that. Blood work will not show you sleep apnea, nor clinical depression, though it will turn up diabetes which can also manifest in extreme tiredness. My first husband became more and more passive-aggressive as his clinical depression deepened. It is worth getting a professional evaluation, for her well-being as well as for your relationship.

Would you like me to start a thread on the striking similiarities between yourself and Jared from Subway, you handsome devil you?

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As for concerns about your SO’s teeth falling out, it's your SO’s problem not yours. Get over it and worry about your true love on the couch there and why you’re not happy together sleepin in the bed. Get to a E.N.T. doc and see about the nose. If it ain't the nose then get to a therapist and see if there is a reason other than physical.

Good luck to ya and yours, don't mean to be harsh, just stating what seems apparent to me.

She's still awake! We talked about the sleeping, but I was real casual and she didn't suspect I was interrogating her or pressuring her. I didn't say shit about the toothbrushing. I'm just going to politely nag, I guess, for however long it takes. But, she said that all the other teachers come home and crash, too. I asked her if she actually asked them and she said YES. She didn't sleep that much in the summer, so I guess it makes sense.

It wasn't immediate. Like I said, I had been nagging her for the past 2 months in a friendly "I don't mean to be annoying, but you really should" kind of way. And she didn't snap, exactly.

So yeah, I mean there is definitely some kind of physical issue going on if she's crashing out constantly but I simply do not understand why you'd be so quick to dismiss anyone's suggestion that, you know, maybe there is like some much larger issue here..

I don't think so. She said that the other teachers crash out, too, and she did say she asked them, specifically. She didn't crash out over the summer. Last night she stayed up til 10:45 (she did sleep until 10 this morning though, so she still got in her 11 hours of sleep) and she was happy all week.

She also brushed her teeth last night and tonight of her own accord, so yay. I did say, "you just never floss, do you" last night after she brushed her teeth, which I knew was going to press the annoying button, but I felt the issue needed to be pressed. She had a slight tone of annoyance when she said, "I never get anything, anyway," which is exactly what I said to my dentist back when. I asked her if she would be able to see corn syrup from the pepsi or bacteria or a day's worth of tartar. And then I made a bet with her that she could pull something green out of her teeth, just like I had minutes earlier, since we both had triple jade for dinner, which is chinese food consisting of 3 green vegetables, for those that don't know. She refused the bet, but I left it at that. Tonight I heard her flossing. Yay.

I would have punched you in the nuts for the floss thing, btw...

It's unclear.

It seems a lot of people only appreciate a certain kind of humor in very specific shows. Fortunately, my S.O. "gets it." I say and do incredibly stupid, nonfunny humor all day long and she always laughs, often to my surprise. Sometimes, I look at her and seriously ask, "What was so funny about that?" I'm just hilarious, I guess. It must be in the delivery.

1. Teachers work hard. So do a whole of people. They're not exceptional in any way. My tteacher friend is never asleep before 1am.

2. I asked her if she would be able to see corn syrup from the pepsi or bacteria or a day's worth of tartar. Fucking hell, are you sure you need to "with-hold" from her? How unsexy do you want to make her feel? "Pulling something green from her teeth?" Not sure if you know, but in even in long-term relationships we all have dignity about our bodies, and little private ways of dealing with things that might seem undesirable to our S.O. Forcing the issue will not make her feel nice.

What age level does your teacher friend teach? Maybe that has something to do with it. It's 8:47 at the moment and she's wide awake. Fri, Sat and Sunday, she stays up pretty late.

UPDATE: She has been flossing since Fri of her own accord and I have not jizzed in her mouth. We did it last night, but I jizzed in a condom as usual.

You sound like a complete control freak who's obsessed with your partner's dental state. I think you should get this buffing machine. I bet Ken can even find some kinky ways to use this, besides teeth cleaning. ;-)

??!??!?!?!? he doesn't follow his own logic?

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One thing I really hated was their hair. They tended to cultivate sloppy overly-long curls that made them look just unbearably arrogant. If youth are born into this world with curly hair, it should NEVER be longer than one inch.

Am I in the minority here?

ive upped my dental regime since this thread started. this guy should become the benny hinn of dental evangelism, hes totally put the fear of plaque into me and i know im not the only one

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Well, it's quite obvious he hasn't been flessing his penis either. Or flossing her vagina. I'm still not sure about the gender of the poster. Mental state of mind, yes, but gender, no.

You say you've been with the woman for 7 years so obviously if she had a huge problem with your manner of addressing people she'd have left by now but OTOH the manner by which she's putting up with you examining her mouth like a gift horse and NOT garretting you in the nuts for things like that green teeth comment or the withholding threats indicates she's got no self-esteem to begin with, quite honestly, and I find that a little worrying.

Why weird? She doesn't want to go on the pill and I don't want to pressure her to do anything that will fuck up her body. And kids and abortions both equally suck.

That would be a nice change.

I mean, is your manner of address people on ILX at all representative of your manner of addressing people in real life?

Nope. But, aha! Now we get to the real reason ILX is fun! Look how long this thread has gone! Why? You fine people.

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He just stood there in his easygoing shirt and kept scooping Wheatballs into cups...I'm shaking as I write this.

Why:? My girlfriend can't be gross for not brushing her teeth simply out of laziness when she knows she has a problem that needs dental attention?

Colgate-Palmolive has animal testing undertaken for it by outside contractors. A few years ago, BUAV recently uncovered details of an experiment carried out for the company by Columbia University in which guinea pigs were locked into small plastic tubes and a strong solution of surfactant was applied for four hours a day for three days, causing cracked and bleeding skin on the animals.

-- when something smacks of something (right.knewi...), October 24th, 2005 3:25 PM. (dave225.3) (later)

I generally shoot for that at all times, which is why I don't use the "good" login featuring the unknown IP.

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Seriously dude you are pure gold, and I applaud your strange misguided efforts to convince the ILX masses of your puritan ways. I keep hoping its performance art, and that you aren't actually completely batshit Howard Hughes insane.

http://static.flickr.com/30/55269990_e00f545166.jpg?v=0

I've been dying to post that picture but could not find a context until now.

He looks like Jared.

I'm not a "puritan!" What do I care about sanity? As long as I function and enjoy myself.

In what way? The same basic weight, face and glasses.

There is no photo of Tombot online wearing glasses.

Because he doesn't wear them.

I was just checking to make sure your facts on something as easy as pulling up an old thread to see what a person looks like are as bad as your facts on everything else.

Thank you for playing my game!

Ah, it's a small picture. It could look like about anyone. In fact, it kind of looks like my friend Steve. Still, TOMBOT looks like Jared.

Just some guy with a weird name I've never heard of before. I'm going to go with "dud", though, because generally I can be "for" or "against" anyone, especially strangers, and usually I choose "against". So dud, fool, whatever. I'm a bit of a hypocrite at at times.
-- (neuromance...), April 11th, 2001.

I'm not insisting on glasses. If anything, it was Jared's weird mouth that reminded me of the flipoff picture. And the fat face and general head shape.

I am in awe of it.

OH NOOOEEEEEEESSSS!

Also you said you THOUGHT it was me in the photo, now you are sure! What do *I* look like?

That was a great thread.

Considering the fact that Tom looks absolutely nothing like Jared from Subway in even the vaguest sense and is quite thin, blonde, and glasses-free

Ah well. Bummer. I hope I have not offended some random ILXor. I think I will continue to say TOMBOT looks like Jared, anyway.

This is a picture of me on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9909/02/wednesday.lineup/jesse.martin.jpg

(I'm the little logo in the lower-right.)

This is some of the work I did on Hurricane Katrina. Powerful stuff; it really changes you to work on something like that.

Just tryin' to help.

REALLY?! I thought it took a clever big man to make fun of someone.

exactly

I stopped believing in the existence of the S.O. about a hundred posts ago.

http://www.swap-o.com/images/uploaded/10155.png

Main Entry: echid·na
Pronunciation: i-'kid-n&
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Latin, viper, from Greek -- more at OPHITIC
: an oviparous spiny-coated toothless burrowing nocturnal monotreme mammal (Tachyglossus aculeatus) of Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea that has a long extensile tongue and long heavy claws and that feeds chiefly on ants; also : a related mammal (Zaglossus bruijni) of New Guinea having a longer snout and shorter spines

(PS: If you look here, you will find a legion of characters we can compare TOMBOT to.)

http://silverflame757.150m.com/espiopic.gif

Espio Chameleon

Age: 16
Species: Chameleon
Resides at: Rainbow Valley Zone on The Floating Island
Relations: Friend Valdez Chameleon (roboticized ex-member of The Acorn Secret Service)
Group Affiliation: The Chaotix
First Appearance: Knuckles' Chaotix Special
Ability's: Espio can go into Stealth Mode, that is, camouflage himself so that he can merge with his surroundings, making himself virtually "invisible". He can also cling onto surfaces which allows him to crawl on walls and ceilings.
Profile: Espio is very serious and keeps to himself a lot of the time, but not all the time. His short temper often gets him into trouble. But don't think that he's not friendly when he can be. Determination in everything he does is one of his greatest qualities. Espio also values freedom highly and will fight for that right with all he has.

Speaking of Charmys, did you know that Hello Kitty has a pet cat named Charmy Kitty? Doesn't that make her a slave owner? WTF.

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Absolutely the opposite and incorrect assumption, too.

BEFORE YOU GO TO BED

:) Use me for fuck sakes! :)

didn't get laid

I noticed nobody jumped into to point out that I started these threads today:
Cameratoss Do you call or email in "sick"?

Why is that?

And yet they PAY me!

I think no one jumped into those threads because, jesus, what boring topics. Who has ever even heard of emailing in sick? No one does this.

The point is, dear lady, these were the only 2 threads I started yesterday. I start bazillions of threads and it is only every so often some genius applauds himself for realizing it's the guy they know by another name! Oh goodness!

I do get a kick out of it when someone finally catches on, mainly because it's a big deal to them. Hey, it's so-and-so! No, it's not! Check name! Then I get to change name and act not-too-inconspicuous for a while until next time. Or use login and hang back. What is the headshine?

Real bad. What's troubling you? Will do it. Same for me Mamma in 1898.

What does that mean?

All of my shirts just cover my belt. You still get full view of the crotch if that's what you're concerned about. And I don't wear baggy pants. I like to show off my ass! Weehoo!

Why? Because I don't want cum fermenting in the mouth as well.

Your search, 'fermenting cum' returned 1 result(s).

Oh man this thread.