Paul Edward Wagemenn's "The 13 essential albums of Rockism"

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I was asked by Mr. Wagemenn personally to post this. Please don't flame me. His message and list:

"Hey, if you want you can copy my post (with my message board link) and post it on ILX...I've been banned from there...I know how much they love Rockism over there and I'm sure that would ruffle some feathers..."

"Heres my list of the 13 essential albums you need know, frontward adn back, if you want to consider yoruself a Rockist:

Beatles ~ Sgt Pepper
Beatles ~ Abbey Road
Bob Dylan ~ The FreeWheelin Bob Dylan
Neil Young ~ Decade
The Clash ~ Combat Rock
Pink Floyd ~ Pipers at the gates of Dawn
Liz Phair ~ Exile in Guyville
Black Sabbath ~ Paranoid
led Zeppelin ~ I
REM ~ ChronicTown
Nirvana ~ Nevermind
Velvet Underground ~ VU
The Who ~ Who's Next

These are the bare minimum. Chronologically they run from 1962 to 1993. (Yes, that means that I dont think there has been a significant Rockism album made in the last 12 plus years--but I'm open for debate). There are only three female band members here; Liz Phair, Nico and Mo Tucker, No blacks, no hispanics, no asians, no arabs. 7 of the 13 albums are from British acts, and one is from a Canadian. 7 albums are from the 60s, 2 from the 90s, 2 from the 80s and just two from the 70s (even though the 70s were in fact the greatest Rock decade of all!). There are a several other albums that came very close to making the list; Pavements Slanted and Enchanted, the Talking Head Remain in Light, and Stereolabs Space Age Batchelor Pad Music, Love's Forever Changes, the Replacements Pleased to Meet Me, etc."

Let me, Steve, say that I have no association or opinion about this list whatsoever. Please direct all comments to not-me.

― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

IN BEFORE DELETION

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

EVERYTHING IS ILLUMINATED

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

LOL LIZ PHAIR

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://ents.dsu.org.uk/images/karelia/Luck&Neat.jpg

WID A LITTLE BIT O'LUCK, WE GONE MAKE IT TROO DI NIGHT

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.freshmusic.co.za/images/rocking%20cov2.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

*ruffles feathers*

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.a-rocking-horse-to-love.com/store/skin1/images/is-he-for-me.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

No blacks, no hispanics, no asians, no arabs.

DO YOU RUN A B&B?

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

ARER YOU TRYIN TO TELL ME ROCK CRITICS LIKE THE BEATLES AND BOB DYLAN?

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

List making is so rockist.

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

who is he and why did we ban him again?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

i'm assuming "numbskull" isn't a good enuf answer here.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

STEROIDS!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

He was that "Nicky Wire in a banana suit" guy.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

HANDS UP IF YOU HATE WANGEMANN

http://www.musicate.org/Assets/Images/Project/Children%20holding%20hands%20up.JPG

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

REACTIONARY NEO-ROCKISTS DON'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE!

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

I got a myspace message type thing from him despite never mentioning having a myspace. Which would suggest that he just searched for like every fucking email address on here that might actually not be fake and tried to message them. Which is beyond crazy.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

HANDS UP IF YOU HATE WANGEMANN

http://45toursnazes.free.fr/Haut.JPG

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

LOL COMBAT ROCK

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.last.fm/group/ROCKISM+101

1 group member

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, if you want you can copy my post (with my message board link) and post it on ILX...I've been banned from there...I'll probablly figure out a way to sneak back on, but I know how much they love Rockism over there and I'm sure that would ruffle some feathers...

See:
Post-Rock or Jazz Rock
Can someone explain 'Emo' to me?
Does Postpunk even actually exist?

Suddenly, a wave of regret rushed over Christiane F.'s naive little body...

― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

Are the Ramones Quality?

We all have different measures of quality. Admittedly, the Ramones have put out some poor product in their day, but they have also produced a lot of quality.

Why are they of quality?

They were very unique and original and they also had a lot of energy ofcourse, but being unique and original doesnt neccesarily equate to quality, nor does having lots of energy automatically equate to quality. No, what classified the Ramones as quality was that their music went straight to the very core of what Rock music is all about. From the time we are rocked to sleep as little babies, motion and movement have been sources of soothing and comfort. The Ramones music is like that. It is an assault on the mind that ignites the need for motion. At least it does for me. Listening to '53rd and 3rd' or 'I wanna be sedated' swells up the urge in me to stick my steel toed boot into some overfed fratboys smiley face and then go fuck a lonely fat chick like my dick was a broken perculator stuck on the 'High' setting. Then the song ends and I remember that I'm not in college anymore. But at least for a few fleeting moments, the Ramones are able to move me and that, in my opinion, is why they are quality...

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

erm, NV, permission to lol ChronicTown?

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/galloway-hands-up.jpg

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

Feel free Louis.

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

Liz Phair ~ Exile in Guyville

I certainly have no plan to own this rubbish ever.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

Also, surely The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan is anything but Rock, and you would get shanked by some bearded Arran-knit wearers for suggesting otherwise?

― No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Juror8/lolloway.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

internet troll in internet-trolling shocker

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

Why would an arch-rockist's Stereolab pick be The Groop Played Space Age Batchelor Pad Music, as opposed to (duh) a proper artistic rockist-delighting LONG-PLAYING ALBUM?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

Also does it make me a spelling rockist that I feel the need, now, to correct dude's "batchelor" spelling?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

No, that just makes you anal.

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

PEW just started a thread yesterday:
Greatest Vocal Foil of all-time?
Was he banned AGAIN?

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

the two have entirely different markets, Geir. Rap is a very definite artistic mode entirely removed from the rest of rock. Prog is essentially the use of rock tropes and rock instrumentation to form a more complex, more structurally free-form version of rock. Rap, the delivery of words by a vocalist in a continual rhythmic flow, is its own form, and therefore cannot evolve like prog did (into AOR and then back into prog when all was quiet on the Western Front). It will never be extinguished as long as there are people (and there are many people) who appreciate that particular art form.

-- Space Gourmand (papiermachealamphibia...), September 19th, 2006. (Haberdager) (later)

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

oh c'mon, someone had to call him on that.

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

we were just glad someone finally did

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

so authoritative

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, missed that dialogue.

― Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

I meant to italicize the word "that" but this works, too.

― Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

Rockism is actually sort of a controversial term. I wrote a bit about it in my blog, but to summarize, its a term that began being thrown around in New Music Express in the 80s and is most often used as sort of a derogatory statement toward folks who have a bit of a Rock music ethos (who are referred to as Rockists).
I'd like to see the term evolve however. Just like black people took the term 'niger' and made it their own, I think Rockists should do the same. I'll gladly stand up, anywhere on the face of the earth and say, "That's right--I'm a fucking a Rockist...so what the fuck is to you?"
But that's me--I'm a bit of a confrontationalist. The point is, that I think if enough people embrace their Rockist tendencies, we can make the term Rockism our own...

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah those black people from Niger ain't afraid to say "I'm from Niger". It's something.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

who's up for lynching some rockists tonight?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

boring ass tunnel vision motherfucker

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

What lattitude do rockists have to be north of to be free?

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

then we can sing along to jamie principle tracks and burn guitars

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Also does it make me a spelling rockist that I feel the need, now, to correct dude's "batchelor" spelling?

Only if by "dude" you mean "Tim Gane":

http://eil.com/newGallery/Stereolab-Space-Age-Batchel-318482.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a341_013.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

(xpost I agree that that's a weird-ass Stereolab album to consider "rockist," though.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

no strict rockism, no strict popism. the dude, as gear so correctly intimates, sees musical taste only in black and white, rather than as a perpetually variable, subjectively flexible and entirely individual assortment of aural stimuli.

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Are anyone's feathers ruffled?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

no, but Noodle Vague roffled quite a lot

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

EdwardWagemann hasn't listened to any music yet.
EdwardWagemann hasn't made any friends yet.

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

Mike Dixon--that name sounds familar.
Well, I see many of the folks here are under some of the most frequent misconceptions about Rockism...I think the fact that you folks are hinting that I'm a racist shows alot of white guilt on your part...
If I were to ask you to list the 13 essential albums of Rap, how many Asians would be on that list? None? So, would that make you a racist?
No. Ofcourse not. SO come on people, lets just face the facts and look at reality. Rock has been a predominantly white, middle-class thang--yes, Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix are two of Rocks greatest artist. Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them, and they have all rocked. But lets be honest. Cant we do that? Because if we cant look at Rock realistically, then how is it going to evolve?
ANd thats a large part of what Rockism is--evolving. Its about populism as well. Its about recongnizing what keeps Rock relelvent as a medium of expression.
So, if you are suffering from white guilt and are having this knee-jerking finger pointing reaction towards me, simply because I'm pointingn out the demographics of the List of essentials and telling it like it is, then maybe you need to look around a bit more.

Last of all, this list of albums is a work in progress. I'm seriously considering adding the Woodstock soundtrack and the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, because both of those soundtracks had a major influence on Rocists thinking--both positive and negative.
So dont think this list is the list of the best Rock albums of all time--because it isnt. What it is, is a list of albums that is essential for a Rockists to understand. 13 albums that have shaped Rockists thought, that have changed, defined or created something important to Rock...

I'll know open the floor up for questions...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:04 (eighteen years ago)

Who the fuck are you again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

the child of ilm

― Igor Adkins (Grodd), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

he is our sole misguided entertainment weekly overlord

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

the english have so much to answer for.

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

he's the son of a thousand fathers, all bastards like him

― gear (gear), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

How did this turn into a reverse excelsior thread?

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

didnt we ban this douche?

― davina q (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:50 (eighteen years ago)

By all means please do the honors again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:57 (eighteen years ago)

who is he and why did we ban him again?

The reason I banned him the first time was that he was c&p-ing the same questions across different interweb forums - which is OK, obviously, but then he was also c&p-ing the same (sometimes quite long) answers, which I thought kind of strongly implied that he didn't give one fuck about what anyone here actually had to say in their replies, and which I think makes one more of a spammer than a poster. I can't remember how long a ban I slung on him, he might have changed ISPs, or the ban might have expired.

He doesn't seem to be doing the c&p thing anymore - at least not on any other forum I'm on, and googling phrases from his replies doesn't bring anything up.

If the guy annoys you (which I can understand 100% after that what-the-holy-fuck-were-you-thinking-of "let's reclaim "rockist" like black ppl reclaimed 'n-r' line, above) then NB that he seems to have abandoned SoS forum after his wird-for-word identical postings there were met w/indifference, bafflement, very, very faint hostility. Be thankful the guy isn't a 9/11 "truth" kook, I guess :/

Also, search by IP is fucked at the moment, so I can't tell if his current IP is unique, or shared w/other posters.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them
Yes Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them

― Everything Is Ill-Educated (noodle vague), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

The only truly rockist album ever made:

http://www.valdoonican.org.uk/rockgen.jpg

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:36 (eighteen years ago)

"yes think lizzy" ????

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.sednaproducts.com/Prod_images/DOUCHE.jpg

― Everything Is Ill-Educated (noodle vague), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:40 (eighteen years ago)

I think they're a bit like TV On The Radio, but without the tunes (xpost).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

He doesn't seem to be doing the c&p thing anymore - at least not on any other forum I'm on

He's still doing that to some extent. The original question and the main gist of his reply are taken from his myspace board, on the "What is Rockism" thread:

http://groups.myspace.com/httpwwwmyspacecompaulewagemann

Any catagory of Rock you can think of is discussed here by all of the world's leading experts on the subject

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:04 (eighteen years ago)

The cut and paste, among other things, makes me feel like he might be an elaborate Troll.

― Everything Is Ill-Educated (noodle vague), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:06 (eighteen years ago)

Gotta love the "You can't handle the truth!" angle to the quasi-racist pronouncements, and the absolute refusal to proofread or think through anything he says to the point of reposting things on other boards with all the same typos.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

If I were to ask you to list the 13 essential albums of Rap, how many Asians would be on that list? None? So, would that make you a racist?

That's a reasonably salient point. Still a raving fucking moron though.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

You people make me sound like the Rush Limbaugh of Rockism...when in actuality I like to think of myself more as the Phil Donahue...

I guess the most controversial aspect of my posts on Rockism is the aspect that confronts racism.
Do I think Rockism is racists?
No.
Do I think Rock music is mostly made for caucasions and by caucasions?
Yes.
Do I have a hard time understanding, why anyone would think that by me stating this fact makes me a racist?
Yes.
Do I think 'white guilt' is funking ridiculas?
Yes.
Does my spelling suck?
Ofcourse.

One thing that makes me confident in talking about black/white race relations is that I have alot of ties and interactions with blacks, black communities, black culture. Same goes for Hispanic culture/communities.
Race does play apart in our existence. It's reality and I dont find anything wrong with acknowledging that. I've wanted very much to like Rap/HipHop. I've listened to all the big artists, all the loved artists, and its very rare that I find anything that I want to listen to. Is that a race thing? I dont think so. Becasue I like the Blues and I like Soul.
So is it a cultural thing? Perhaps.
But mostly it is a Rockist thing.
Rap/HipHop (and Funk imo) music doesnt Rock. I dont find rap/hip authenic in general. There are some interesting sounds, beats, etc. But listening to them is similar to listening to Radiohead or some lame Prog Rock for me--its just not authentic and doesnt reach me where it counts...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking more in terms of the Jack Smethurst of rockism.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

it would be a decent argument if rock music hadn't been invented by black people. xxpost

― Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Rap/HipHop (and Funk imo) music doesnt Rock.

http://my.opera.com/IrGXaNa/homes/albums/19701/I%20Give%20Up.jpg

― mark 0 (mark 0), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Do I think Rockism is racists?

this guy could be a meme machine

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

http://myspace-624.vo.llnwd.net/00788/42/69/788039624_m.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Jeffs_ws1.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

???

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

The links between Wagerman and Pete Townshend

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

We've both seen Brigitte Bardot naked...

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

"it would be a decent argument if rock music hadn't been invented by black people"

That's what I've said before. How can Rockism be racists, when many of the founding fathers were blacks?

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

When it claims that an Aerosmith or Zeppelin adaptation of a James Brown riff is Rock, while an Eric B sample of a JB riff (or JB's riff in its original context) is so Not Rock that it mustn't be considered. This is a version of "rockism" that really sucks, whether I play the racist card or not.

― mark 0 (mark 0), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm now absolutely convinced he's a put on. Nice work, tho.

― Everything Is Ill-Educated (noodle vague), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, top marks all around.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

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― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

waht

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

"White guilt" is not at all ridiculuous when you are speaking of politics. When you are speaking of music it becomes completely pointless though.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

geir feels no white guilt shockah.

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.ghostbusters.se/foton/danalouis.jpg

― gear (gear), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

opening this thread has made me stupider

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

even *I* rejected his myspace add friend request

― Wrinklepossum's Awesome Blossom (Wrinklepaws), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

oh, wrinklepews!

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:03 (eighteen years ago)

this looks more like a discussion of dorkism to me

― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:09 (eighteen years ago)

what am i doing with my life

― marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

c'mon people, 90% of the list is black music by any fair measure.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno about freewheelin, but Dylan's debut is so rock it's not even debatable.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:46 (eighteen years ago)

thread's gettin' better now.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago)

take _paranoid_, it's basically jimi hendrix fanboys on parade.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago)

aaaarrrrgghhhh

― a|ex (Pareene), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago)

Where is Beatles Band?

― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:50 (eighteen years ago)

The 13 Essential Albums of Anti-Rockism

Paul McCartney-Liverpool Oratorio
George Harrison- Gone Troppo
Bob Dylan ~ and the Dead
Neil Young ~ Are You Passionate?
The Clash ~ Cut the Crap
Pink Floyd ~ The Division Bell
Liz Phair ~ whitechocolatespaceegg
Black Sabbath ~ Never Say Die!
Kingdom Come- Kingdom Come
REM ~ Monster
Nirvana ~ Nevermind
Velvet Underground ~ Squeeze
The Who ~ Join Together

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

ramon, nice list except for Monster and I think I would have put a Ringo album in there instead of Gone Troppo...

But as for my understanding, anti-rockism is a movement started in the 50s that tried to ban that Satanic Rock music and keep Elvis's pelvis from being seen on TV. Anti-Rockism evolved throughout the 60s as the FBI and (strom thurman) tried to boot Lennon from the US and hits its peak in the 80s with Tipper Gore's mothers-agaisnst-rock (or whatever the hell that organization was called)...SO I think a true anti-rock list would have Twisted Sister, Prince, and certainly some Marilyn Manson...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

http://fake.arttoday.org/images/pe4at.png

― Dedicated to Jaggers Who Do Drive-Bys (noodle vague), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

With every word of this thread I read I feel myself evolving. Oh happy day.

― lexurian (lexurian), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

Did I miss something, when did rockism come to mean rock music?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

There are a several other albums that came very close to making the list

what happened to The Stones and Springsteen? Clapton, etc? there's loads more core rockist touchstones than some artists on your list. and the rockists I've met would definitely NOT choose Piper over later Floyd albums.

― Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, why THAT Pink Floyd album????????

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

can't fool us Dan - you're a mocker!

― Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Overpowered by funk.

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

es Think Lizzy and Love and Santana and others have all had minorities in them, and they have all rocked

This sentence is marvelous.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

to be fair, the irish are a minority.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

For minorities about to rock we salute you

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

re: floyd, true rockists would pick _Meddle_ or _Animals_.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

No, I think true Rockists realize that without Barrett, Floyd was just another overfed Prog band. Barret was the soul that made their fist album and a half authenic...
BTW, have you read my eulogy to Barrett? It's on my blog, here:
My Blog URL
http://blog.myspace.com/paulewagemann

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

You know, this thread could just acts as the jagger/squirrel/wagamuffin board

― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha good idea!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

Acvtually, I like to chew up a roffle and spread the resulting EXCELSIOR between two intact roffles already is that...

― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

Pink Floyd were overfed?

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

"their fist album"

SMELL THE GLOVE

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0345374193.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

xpost

― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

Prog Rock Reconsidered:

When it comes to Prog Rock, the names most often mentioned are either the dinosuars from the 70s like Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Frank Zappa, Hawkwind, Rush or else those from the nu-school of 90's prog like Radiohead, Phish, Sigur Ros, Mars Volta, Tool, Muse.
Often left out of the discussion is a band that scored a dozen Top 40 hits out of the windy city known as Styx. (notice that funny spelling...)

― gear (gear), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

notice

― gear (gear), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

it was funny enough for the dinosuars from the 7th century BC like charon, pluto and polyphemus

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

but clearly didn't cut the mustard with those from the nu-school of 90's religion like Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Abraham, Vishnu

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

true rockists?! what is this uber-class of dangerous intelligent rockists? surely a pimplemeds-eediot

my standard def of rockism for years has been:
thick people what don't get pop

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 23 September 2006 00:52 (eighteen years ago)

But another period of high winds of change was the early 90s. Some may remeber the early 90s belonging to grunge, but in fact grunge was simply another breeze in the larger winds of change. Whereas grunge was looking back in alot of ways, there were those who were either living in the moment or looking ahead. Pavement is the perfect example of this.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago)

I'm on the "this is a fake" bandwagon.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago)

All right honestly now. Not only am I sensing alot of white man's guilt on this board, I'm also pretty sure that a good number of you are closet Rockists. And I think that is just ridiculas. Quit trying to be a hipster and just admit that you know all the clues to the Paul is Dead conspiracy, that as a teenager you got stoned and synched up Dark Side of the Moon CD with the video of The Wizard of Oz and was freaked out by the part with the monkeys and that you've actually head banged to Nirvana while hearing it on your car radio. There is nothing to be ashamed of. If the Hipsters think this makes you a dork--then srew the Hipsters. And I mean that from the bottom of my achey-breaky heart!!!

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:15 (eighteen years ago)

"I'm also pretty sure that a good number of you are closet Rockists."

Only 'cuz the niggers won't have me.

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

no i don't think i ever did those things paulie

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 23 September 2006 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

will someone please ban this white man?

― gear (gear), Saturday, 23 September 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

:-P

Whereas grunge was looking back in alot of ways, there were those who were either living in the moment or looking ahead. Pavement is the perfect example of this.

Quit trying to be a hipster and just admit that you know all the clues to the Paul is Dead conspiracy,

:-)

that as a teenager you got stoned and synched up Dark Side of the Moon CD with the video of The Wizard of Oz and was freaked out by the part with the monkeys

¯\(o_º)/¯

and that you've actually head banged to Nirvana while hearing it on your car radio.

:-/

Social welfare? There's no better way of keeping someone from achieving their potential than to give them hand outs and freebies. I'm all for evening the playing field and creating a society where everyone has the opportunity to achieve their dreams and reach their full potential, but government handouts do more harm than good and often just crush an ego and enable people to suck the tit of those who are actually making a living and paying taxes...

:-X

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 23 September 2006 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://img15.imgspot.com/u/06/264/10/17893L1158934246.jpg

― Dedicated to Jaggers Who Do Drive-Bys (noodle vague), Saturday, 23 September 2006 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

"When it claims that an Aerosmith or Zeppelin adaptation of a James Brown riff is Rock, while an Eric B sample of a JB riff (or JB's riff in its original context) is so Not Rock that it mustn't be considered. This is a version of "rockism" that really sucks, whether I play the racist card or not."

So to the person who wrote this I ask them this:
~Do you consider Eric B's sample or James Browns original to be ROck?
and this:
~DO you consider Aerosmith or Zeppelin's adaptation to be Rock?

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

Dear Mr. Wagemuffin: it's all rock.

a) Because of my age and upbringing, I naturally see everything through the prism of rock. YMMV.

b) We've collected a hell of a lot of genre descriptions and such over the years, and they're all useful, but only as descriptive tools. The music itself is a result of so much crosspollination that it's ludicrous to put things into little boxes; those little boxes are the result of the media industries' creation of false marketing niches, a practice that dates back to the early decades of the recording industry.

You're buying into the false niches, like a good little consumer.

It may not have been called "rock" in the days of Bing Crosby and Bessie Smith, but they were creating their version of rock in the 1920's; a crowd of people dancing to Luda and "Gasolina" at a club or party may think of "rock" as that very narrow array of crap that you've bought into, but they're rockin' nonetheless.

I hate to be impolite, but please go away. And please rename your crusade to something that doesn't suck all the fun out of a word that's already taken.

[And Pete fucking Wylie to thread.]

And yes, there is a racist component to this: the notion of "race music" versus "good music" is, again, nearly as old as the record industry, and still exists today. This is not to say that you're a racist, just that this construct has been forever built into our mass-mediated perception of what popular music is. You're probably not a racist, but you are, it seems, as thick as rock's river is wide.

NP: The Allman Brothers Band, "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed"

― mark 0 (mark 0), Saturday, 23 September 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

Does LL rock the bells?

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 23 September 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Like a motherfucker.

― mark 0 (mark 0), Saturday, 23 September 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

And technically, isn't Run the King of Rock? I do believe that sucker MCs must call him "sire."

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 23 September 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

Rockism sucks all of the fun out of what now? Fun for who? And exactly how does it suck the fun out of whatever it is you think it sucks the fun out of?
I happen to know for certain that Rockism is extremely fun. In fact, I think I'm gonna go write 'rockism' in black marker on my favorite t-shirt and walk downtown and confront anyone who sneers. I mean, come on now, if that isn't fun then my name isnt paul edward wagemann...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Saturday, 23 September 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

In fact, I think I'm gonna go write 'rockism' in black marker

The street kids called it "niggger marker", because they've reclaimed the word now.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 23 September 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/CaptainBooty/pickleriders.gif

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 23 September 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

PEW, how can you have used the term for so long and not have realized that Rockism is *not* just pro-rock bias? It's an attitude towards music, rather than a bias toward a certain genre. Hell, there are arguably more rockists in hip-hop today than in rock music.

― tzarathustra (Tzarathustra), Saturday, 23 September 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

if that isn't fun then my name isnt paul edward wagemann...

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 September 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

"PEW, how can you have used the term for so long and not have realized that Rockism is *not* just pro-rock bias? It's an attitude towards music, rather than a bias toward a certain genre. Hell, there are arguably more rockists in hip-hop today than in rock music."

Do I think you can be a Rockist and mostly like hip hop?
Sure. But you still need to understand the history of Rock. You still need to know the social impact Rock has had on Western culture. You still have to be able to define 'qaulity' in terms that were originally laid out by Rock's founding fathers and greatest innovators. HipHop/Rap CAN Rock. It is just my opinion that it doesnt--or at least 99.999999% of the time it doesnt...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

shut up.

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.eastvillageradio.com/gfx/pics/shows/18.jpg

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago)

To get off the subject matter for just a minute, I have an announcement.
I've noticed alot of folks here are entertained by my posts. You must think that it is just too bad you can't have an entire book written by me to keep you entertained.
Well guess what.
Ole wagemann here has written a book that is soon to be published. If any of you would like a good laugh, then go to my MySPace and shoot me a message and I'll get back to you and provide the details on how you can purchase it. It should be available in time for x-mas...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago)

I'd rather have a lump of coal.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.sek-c.com/upload/files/idiot.jpg

― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago)

wow.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

we should spend the save ilx fund on wagemann's book

$1500 / copy m4riss4 style

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

so is this guy the Fred Phelps of Rockism or something? I tried to read this thread, and it hurt.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Sunday, 24 September 2006 02:55 (eighteen years ago)

Wagemann publishes book, Pynchon sets head on fire.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

Ole wagemann here has written a book that is soon to be published. If any of you would like a good laugh, then go to my MySPace and shoot me a message and I'll get back to you and provide the details on how you can purchase it. It should be available in time for x-mas...

Yeah, I guess if there was any doubt at all left that the guy's a fake...

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 24 September 2006 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

"You still have to be able to define 'qaulity' in terms that were originally laid out by Rock's founding fathers and greatest innovators."

Fulfilling the twin goals of making kids dance and getting musicians laid? I'd say that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of rap does that.

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 24 September 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

so does X and jagermiester shots--doesnt make those things quality though, now does it?
If that is your definition of quality (making kids dance and getting musicians laid) then you might want to think about a career in advertising...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Sunday, 24 September 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

HI GEIR!

― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

papists and popists, rapists and rockists ...

― Peter The Pill (Grodd), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

"so does X and jagermiester shots--doesnt make those things quality though, now does it?
If that is your definition of quality (making kids dance and getting musicians laid) then you might want to think about a career in advertising..."

In the terms of rock's founding fathers, yes.

Your attempts to redefine the goals of "the founding fathers of rock" has more to do with not getting the answers you want than anythin they did.

ps: Your list sucks.

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Rock's founding fathers will always be Cow Cow Davenport and Pinetop Smith MOCK THREAD

― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

Jaeger is total quality, WTF.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago)


Your post advocates a( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
(x) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
(x) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(x) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
(x) Technically illiterate politicians
(x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
(x) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
(x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

― rock u like a § (ex machina), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

so does X and jagermiester shots--doesnt make those things quality though, now does it?

http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/roster/pics/punk.gif

"Rockism means I'm better than you"

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.wrestleline.com/images/cards/wcwblack_paule.jpg

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

Rockists are like theists.

― boney (b0n3y), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

Who exactly is going to publish this book, the mark grout vanity press?

― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

PEW messaged me on myspace asking me to post this and I refuse to make another thread just for it... so... yeah I don't even know why i'm doing it in the first place. I guess to be nice. To him.

Steve, could you do me a favor and let some of my "fans" at ILX.com know I've finished my much anticipated blog about Tribute band frontmen?

http://blog.myspace.com/paulewagemann

The rock gods will look down upon you kindly if you do...

― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

YOU UNSCREWED THE LID

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'll know open the floor up for questions...

-- Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:04 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

^^^beginning to think PEW was a better troll than CMan

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:30 (seventeen years ago)

He's more a comparison point to Geir.

― Mark G, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

except geir is at least aware

― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:37 (seventeen years ago)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ROCKISM_101/rockism101copy.jpg

if you would like to become a Rockism101 girl simply send us a photo of you with the words 'Rockism101' spelled across your butt with lipstick--or if you dont have enough room on your butt for 'Rockism101' then 'R101' will suffice).

― DavidM, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)

what

― elan, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebillson/gallery/img9.jpg

― Just got offed, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

shoulda been a poll

― s1ocki, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:59 (seventeen years ago)

http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ROCKISM_101/

― elan, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:01 (seventeen years ago)

I was asked by Mr. Wagemenn personally to post this.

^^missed meme opportunity

― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:06 (seventeen years ago)

omg rockism101.jpg

― The Reverend, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:20 (seventeen years ago)

oh man the PEW days

― cutty, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:54 (seventeen years ago)

You know all the "Ban" debates?

PEW was the only one I agreed with!

(some of the rest were after the fact)

― Mark G, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:48 (seventeen years ago)

I am not particularly familiar with "Freewheelin'" or "Chronic Town", I don't like "Exile In Guyville" at all and VU is extremely patchy. So I guess I am no rockist then.

Then again, I have always considered myself a pop fan, but when I say pop fan I mean pop as a musical genre, with strict musical rules, and not as a cultural or sociological phenomenon.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)

I stand corrected...

― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)

Oh Geirpaws...

― leavethecapital, Monday, 23 June 2008 23:14 (seventeen years ago)

qaulity

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 07:53 (sixteen years ago)

Anyhow, share your thoughts. What silly things do you get really excited over?
-- Mandee, Friday, November 22, 2002 12:04 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link]

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 08:00 (sixteen years ago)

See, there is one diff..

Geir's statements invite debate/discussion/fighting/etc.

PEW's ones, at best, elicit a shrug and a 'who cares?'

― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 08:19 (sixteen years ago)

PEW looks more like a "punkist" than "rockist" to me. A "rockist" acknowledges Pink Floyd and prog rock, which after all was a result of the English 60s (Beatles et all)

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:18 (sixteen years ago)

PEW once accused me of "just overflowing with white guilt" for writing a James Brown RIP blog post.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

PEW was pretty good at bog-standard trolling, but really awful at race-baiting.

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

Is this list a joke???

― paigeterner, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:44 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TN-kDEKxF0

― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:46 (twelve years ago)

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