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QUOTE: Most of the time, ILM is a disappointing dick-measuring popularity contest where any serious, sincere discussion of any kind (particularly of gender) is met with a seventh grade bra-snap and high five. I’ve even brought it down to their level: ever think your disrespect of women might have something to do with the fact that you’re not getting laid? I try to step back demurely and make jokey foxy rock critic jokes and join in on bathroom habits threads, you know, just to lighten things up. But no avail, on ILM girls are still icky and not allowed in the tree house without a mudpie to the face, thanks to the Noize Boys, who think their power drill symphonies are so much more sophisticated than everyone else. Their politically incorrect putdowns are so “gay” and punk rock, when really, their language parallels the rise of conservatism in this country. So really, in 2005, this shit makes my blood boil. I can only okey doke along for a limited amount of time, and I have less tolerance than I did a decade ago, perhaps from a decade of this shit. And I mean, my music probably sounds like power drill symphonies to some people, but I don’t use my taste to impress other losers on a message board or make jokes at other people’s expense (except Penn kids who like Citizen Cope because Sonic Youth scares them). The funny thing is, with the Noize Boyz, you can’t joke about their bands or they get all self righteous and cry and rub their penises together, but they will put down anything that you like, if it happens to be female-identified with humor that would make Maxim look smart in comparison. Wow, hairy feminist lesbian jokes, how original? (Le Tigre’s music has been kinda lame lately, which I’d be more welcome to discussing because I can’t figure it out myself). And I mean, when you’re talking to people halfway around the world, don’t you want to do something better than oscillate your weiner? But times like this, something good can come from it. This is from a Sri Lankan woman who responded to a thread about MIA, and thanks to Ned Raggett, she got this piece published in City Pages, a very illuminating discussion on MIA’s politics as PR from someone who lived them. It’s disappointing when a board with so much potential (like the internet itself) has so few flowers among the mudpies. There used to be smart discussion more regularly on ILM, I guess I just missed it, which coincidentally, disappeared along with most of the female posters, I’m told. Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb, but why do they get so much power when they’re anonymous and cowardly? Not pointing out their obvious cowardice to me, seems downright cowardly, but doing the opposite is an impassioned waste of time, and I have far too many distractions these days. Entry Filed under: Uncategorized 17 Comments Add your own 1. mike | April 5th, 2005 at 9:05 am And this is why my ilxor.com posting is very selective. It’s such a strange place, and it’s a matter of cherry-picking the threads that are actually interesting to me. If nothing else, ilxor.com did lead me to that 1981 10-CD box set, which is going to enrich my life immeasurably. 2. Jim | April 5th, 2005 at 4:22 pm Man. On what planet does this list exist? To each his own, but if you ask me, any list that’s made up of nothing but one-liners is bound to attract idiots who are not capable of posting any more than a single line of semi-original wisecracks. 3. Barry | April 6th, 2005 at 1:59 am Sara, I enjoy your writing most of the time, but you are way off the mark here. Maybe 5% of the threads are dedicated toward making fun of musicians, and maybe 10% of those centre upon silly, harmless jokes like that Le Tigre thread (which is easily ignored amongst the dozens of more constructive threads). The other 90% of the ridicule-based threads attack bands such as Arcade Fire, Wilco, and other blatantly obvious indie-rock targets. I think you’re seeing what you want to see. 4. nathalie | April 6th, 2005 at 3:49 am alas no, barry, she sadly had a point. it’s not always *overt*, but mostly an undercurrent. i hate saying it out loud because most of the time you’ll only get a “sigh, not again.” barry, why do so few women post on ILM? compare it (for example) with ILE. 5. ScottR | April 6th, 2005 at 11:08 am Why post on a list that’s not to your liking? Seems like a waste of time to me. 6. jimmy draper | April 6th, 2005 at 12:05 pm wow! once again, a dude telling a woman why she shouldn’t feel oppressed or marginalized, etc. “it’s you, not the world, that’s totally crazy.” this stuff never ceases to amaze me. 7. jek | April 6th, 2005 at 2:41 pm i always feel like a spoil-sport when i point out some of these things about ilx, but the discourse there really does bum me out about 70% of the time. i think it started out as something good, but it seems to have degenrated pretty quickly. i dunno - maybe i’m just wearing the same fog-colored glasses as you, but a lot of the time i just end up feel frustrated with it. 8. nathalie | April 6th, 2005 at 3:36 pm “Why post on a list that’s not to your liking? Seems like a waste of time to me.” it’s not that i hate it, quite the contrary. but why should i stop? there are good moments/people. and with that attitude (just refrain from posting), nothing will change. 9. Barry | April 6th, 2005 at 3:43 pm once again, a dude telling a woman why she shouldn’t feel oppressed or marginalized, etc. That’s not what I was doing — notice that I didn’t defend those asshattery threads — but to characterize *most* ILM threads as being chock full of dick humour in the manner she described is certainly nonsensical. 10. jimmy draper | April 6th, 2005 at 4:43 pm i don’t think sara’s point is “nonsensical” at all, barry. i definitely characterize ILM in general as being a space that’s overwhelmingly dominated by a gross duuuude mentality. (sometimes it’s simply more explicit.) which is why i personally keep away from it, and why i totally understand why others may not feel comfortable participating in it. 11. carolyn | April 6th, 2005 at 8:18 pm not to make light of your post, but dude, i love high fives. i’ll slap your paw a good one once i come out of this work coccoon and family-induced tragic fugue state i’m in. high fives and a boozy may brunch for Bees and me, okay? 12. Barry | April 7th, 2005 at 12:44 am Jimmy, you may be interested in reading the recent “who do you not engage with much on ILX?” thread that was on ILE last month. There, you can read comments by people like yourself, who enjoy slagging and making wild generalizations about ILM despite not having a clue about what goes on there because by their (and your) own admission they never read it or post on it. There was a lot of discourse on that thread about why some people avoid ILM. Believe me, dick jokes and adolescent humour are not the main reasons, not by a long shot. It also bears mentioning that anyone proposing a “girls don’t feel welcome on ILM thanks to the noise dudes” theory has to find a way to explain why the ILX noise board has far more regular female posters than ILM does. 13. Sara | April 7th, 2005 at 1:07 am Barry, The noise dudes welcome ladies who aren’t a threat to them, who coddle them like cute puppies who shit on your new carpet, and never disagree with them even the slightest. I’ve been posting on and off on the board for about a year, and as Stevie was saying, it’s more an undercurrent of hostility if you dare to even rock the boat slightly. The dudes (both noisy and not) seem to have this playing back and forth, but the women tread lightly. I mean, there are people like you and Ned and Anthony and a few others, but unfortunately, you guys are in the minority. And it’s interesting that most of the people who agree with me so far, are guys. And there are far more folks who have written to me privately who feel the same. I couldn’t figure out why this was bugging me so much and then Jimmy hit the nail on the head privately about ILM’s growing influence in print pubs, which only rewards the asshole behavior. And seriously, why would Jimmy post to a board where people were giving him shit for voting for primarily female artists in Pazz and Jop? Wouldn’t it be interesting if all the folks who agreed with me, male and female, all posted to ILM en masse, instead of posting here, which is still quite nice. Hey I guess I have more to say. I lied. 14. amy | April 7th, 2005 at 2:28 am sara, you are writing so much important stuff here. i wish i had time to write some sort of in-depth comment, but alas, EMP continues to fry my brain!! all i can say is thank you for bringing up these issues. 15. fifty nine cent | April 7th, 2005 at 9:29 am I am that rarest of creatures, a rock music illiterate. Almost completely, as those who know me will aver. But I love the writing on this blog. The ideas being bandied about are germane, up to the moment and usually make me think. Sara’s writing usually makes me laugh, loud. That is why I keep coming back to Bees! No apologies, ever, Sara. 16. Diet Tab with Lymon | April 8th, 2005 at 12:25 am I love you, Sara, even though I’m a bad friend lately. But please: More krazy kustomers, less “the InterWeb’s got me down” stuff. I don’t understand why you waste energy on this junk. The InterCon is like the TV. Turn the channel if you don’t like what’s on. I don’t know what the heck this internets chat room geekery is that you’re talking about here, but it sounds like a.) it’s just another place where guys have to rub d-ckheads together because you know, that’s what guys do when shit gets their intellectual pee-pees hard. And b.) more generalizations about guys keeping the females down. I’m a “noise rock” guy (I assume, I like noise) and I don’t want to be coddled by women, I want to be challenged by women. Which I guess makes me one of the 300,000 “exceptions” to the “rule.” And c.) do you want these guys to “change?” Do you want to be their mommy or something and redeem them somehow? Like that doctor chick in “Road House” tried to do with Patrick Sawyze? If they’re dipsh-ts, they’re dipsh-ts. They’re young, they’re drunk with internets power, whatever. Just leave it alone and pay no mind. There are plenty of friendlier places to chat with people. It just seems like there’s a masochism involved here, where you get hopelessly attracted or rather hopelessly drawn to people and places who make you feel unwelcome, instead of just saying “eff you, I know who I am” and walking away and being around the many people and places who welcome you and treat you decently. I mean, you’re not some high school kid. You should be above Internet squabbles with mental juveniles, or even people pretending to be juveniles, by now. I so miss typing “curse words” but I wanted this to get through. Monkeyfluffer! Anyway, I beg you, don’t make me attempt to share more “self-help” with you in the future. It’ll be even worse than this attempt. 17. Sara | April 8th, 2005 at 12:46 am Type all the curse words you want, we’ll make more! No, seriously, all the spam I’m getting is from diets and pharmaceutical companies, which I could surely use in real life, just not here. So the words that have been despammed are words that most people don’t use anyway, but might cause blockages of other words.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

That's pretty amusing.

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

http://misogynymusic.tripod.com/pix/Wendy.jpg

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

sara's post makes me sad, because i believe there's a germ of truth in it, and i hate the idea that i overlook that kind of stuff. lately, i've been more and more conscious (and thus self-conscious) of the fact that so much music criticism is a great big sausage party. and i don't like thinking that i am an unwitting participant in it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cyberbilly.com/meathenge/images/august/bowlomeat-thumb.jpeg

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

that looks DELICIOUS.

Seriously, though, I think that blog entry is absurd and reactionary. (But at the same time, there were some JESS HARVELL remarks on a thread today that validate her point entirely.)

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

"Their politically incorrect putdowns are so “gay” and punk rock, when really, their language parallels the rise of conservatism in this country."

That's a leap, don't ya think?

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I think she has a point, although I wouldn't single out "noize boys" for creepy sexism. It's present on ILE and ILM and as much made by non "noize" posters as "noize" ones.

And I don't coddle!

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Ha, it took us this long to notice this.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb
Everyone knows that guys in packs are dumb

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Heaven, I need a coddle.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

there has been a 'girls are icky' sentiment on ILM since before a noize regulars were posting! Before nu-ILX even!

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Yea, I thought all the Belle and Sebastian fans were the sexists.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't say "girls are icky" so much as "girls are foreign to us."

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

ICKY OR NOT ICKY:

The young womyn who hosts that blog is one of my myspace friends.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

The amount of purposeful obtuseness exhibited by the hairy armpit lesbian is sickening.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

The noise dudes welcome ladies who aren’t a threat to them, who coddle them like cute puppies who shit on your new carpet, and never disagree with them even the slightest.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah rosemary otm. i think it's easy for some people to blame the noise board for the "downfall" of ilx. i mean, it's not like it went from thoughtful five-paragraph posts by nabisco and tom ewing to huge jpgs and zings overnight.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I'll second Ian's statement that girls are foreign to me -- but that's because I'm gay! But surprisingly, I have found a way to not be offended by noize dude gay jokes! HMMMMMMMM. (chinstroker)

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

http://nekobaka.cool.ne.jp/gossip_news/images/rdj/weird_science02.jpg

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Noize dude gay jokes are about as serious as noize dude misogyny.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Sarah Sherr's contribution to ILX = threads about feminism...

I think she feels a little too singled out... The meanness is directed at more than just women!

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

K3rry K3@n3 (who's still around, god bless her) had a much more poignant, stirring, and sobering reaction to the ILM "old-boy" attitude... a good 2 years before the noise board/nu-ILX infancy.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

language parallels the rise of conservatism in this country.

i agree with this. and said this before

previous discussion on this

Faggot

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

I stay away from Doritos because I love them so much I will eat half the bag or more in one sitting.

-- Sara Sherr (sar...), March 9th, 2005.

xpost

How often do we really say faggot?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

what did kerry say?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Today someone wrote on my blog and asked if I had Bell's Palsy.

-- Sara Sherr (sar...), March 11th, 2005.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Noize dude gay jokes are about as serious as noize dude misogyny.

perhaps, but does anyone see anything amiss about the practictioners judging how serious something is, rather than the targets?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Can someone let me know ahead of time I'm supposed to be a homophobic misogynist so I can follow the "party line"? Thanks!

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

perhaps, but does anyone see anything amiss about the practictioners judging how serious something is, rather than the targets?

Yes and how many of us are GLBT?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

i think the phrase that is key here is 'locker room'. and i'm not saying i'm immune to it either,

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

who are the targets of irony?

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

apparently i am GAY GAY GAY GAY BUTTFUCKING GAY, if that helps.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

!!!

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

has sara ever posted here or actually interacted with anyone here or just lurked?

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Who is the foxiest rock critic?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

It's funny: the oft-suggested notion that "noize dudes" exhibit one common, cohesive behavior.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

or even remotely like the same music.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

i agree gygax!

but, the same suggestions of hivemindedness have flown the other way, from here to ilm?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

i thought we'd established that there is no noise board hivemind as well as no ILM hivemind? there may be groups in both places who like similar/the same things, but calling it a "hivemind" is too general and inaccurate.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Or that any of us geuninely think harsh noise / "powerdrill symphonies" is better than everything else.

xpost

GRIME

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

i mean, i think all behaviour seems heterogenous from the inside, and common/cohesive from the outside

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Hey at least here I have a chance to get coddled.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

i agree with that, ian. (xp)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

If you play with babies be prepared to clean up poop.

― RSG (crablangoon), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Sara calls out ILM and then immediately throws the Pickle Bar under the bus as if we are 51% or more of the "serious" posters on ILM. Bo-ring.

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Also funny, the references to penis-measuring and rubbing.

"GIRLS, EWW" vs. "BOYS ARE DUMB AND ICKY"

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

there is no hivemind but there are cliques on ILM and some of those cliques have more power than others. to argue otherwise is idiotic in the extreme.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

anyway, is not the piece about ILM itself rather than the noise board

and that the noise board is a more visible and handy tool to use, than ilm itself, because it 'appears' slightly more locker room

are any of the criticisms of the piece, valid about ILM?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

I'd trust a noise dude with my sister sooner than I'd trust an alt-weekly critic.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

"have more power"

are we talking about the alt. weekly crew here? xpost

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

there is no hivemind but there are cliques on ILM and some of those cliques have more power than others. to argue otherwise is idiotic in the extreme.

there is no hivemind but there are cliques on noise board and some of those cliques have more power than others. to argue otherwise is idiotic in the extreme.

is there a difference between these two statements?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

cliques on noise board tend to be divided geographically.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

cliques on ILM tend to be divded ideologically.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Is anyone other than me ever actually "homophobic"?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

has sara ever posted here or actually interacted with anyone here or just lurked?

Sara has posted here from time to time. However, I don't think she ever posted enough to properly understand the culture and attitude of the board, which is exactly what I called her on with my comments. Saying that every thread on ILM is the internet equivalent of bra-snapping is crazy talk.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

There are probably not more than 10-12 people on ILM that actively like grime and partake in discussions of it.

What gets more love on ILM - VCN or Boy In Da Corner?

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

gear!, that is silly. i mean, i'd trust adam or ian with my sister more than i'd trust chuck eddy, but i don't know that the generality holds across the board.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

ian otm.

hstencil! ha ha ha ha.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

AFAIK, noise dudes can't give Sara a job at [insert name of bland weekly here] and she knows it, which is why she makes the same point in her second to last paragraph.

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Andrew OTM about penis measuring.
xpost
Wait -- she's posted on the noise board?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

sorry, "here" = ILM, not the noise board, obv.

xxxxxxpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, always the "sensitive" apologist.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, i would tryst you with my sister

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

whoops : o

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

ellsworth, i don't even know who you are!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't trust Sara with my sister. That's for sure.

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

a tryst with gear's sister sounds lovely.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Get one white couch.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

so BRO+bukkake threads are threatening?

would that be her point?

can not so easily offended guys + girls congregate without being seen as some sort of joc fest? or must girls always out number guys and so on to remain PC?

i hope that's a constructive question... i just wonder... what more does a dude have to do to NOT be keepin the ladies down? do all forms of competition need to be irradicated?
m.

― msp (mspa), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

haha she lives in Illinois too :(

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

i don't think you guys are misogynistic or homophobic (except for buttfucking gay hpencil) and i'm kind of sensitive about that kind of shit, this is stupid

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

But can you coddle?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Having issue with the noise board seems like a waste of energy..like getting mad at Jon Williams..I lurked on this board for months just to see if that mentality was present and folks get crude but it never seems like anyone is ever making any definitive misogynistic statments either collectively or singly.....

― RSG (crablangoon), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

will mollycoddling do instead?

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Is this a queston of people not being on the same "wavelength"?

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

i'm more concerned about ilm being overly brimming with popist/shoegaze-addicted mofos

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

i will say that i am glad that there are a number of girls that post on the noise board, so that it doesn't become a total bro-down. it makes me feel more comfortable that way. i don't think any of them are coddlers, either.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Further to my post up above ... I called her on the ILM thing, so she backtracked by saying that there's an "undercurrent of male posturing" on ILM, or something to that effect, and that this noise dude attitude was responsible for driving women from ILM. Then I pointed out that more women post to the noise board than ILM, so she backtracked again and made that puppy/coddling comment. I decided to end the discussion there rather than point out that several prominent female ILE posters are also noise board regulars (which goes to show that she has no idea who actually posts here, as if that was any surprise).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

gear, you like kylie and u2. the end.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

that's sort of the point -- if sara never actually spent much time here interacting she never had the opportunity to tune into the "wavelength" or even discern between the people here.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

The bolding in her blog reminds me of that Entertainment writer from the Onion.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

i can coddle and make pies

also xpost I HATE ILM. i don't 'disagree' or post serious things here because i'm not that serious about the internet and have better things to do

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

roffle

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

so, the general consensus is that there is nothing valid in what she says at all?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

i should say "overly" addicted, at the expense of many other forms of music!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

BINGO

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

i guess i would like to know about all of the women that have supposedly been driven from ilx because of the rampant male attitude. it's a point i've seen made elsewhere, but i wonder how true it is. i hope it's not, at least.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

also xpost I HATE ILM. i don't 'disagree' or post serious things here because i'm not that serious about the internet and have better things to do
-- caitlin oh no (caitx...), June 20th, 2005.

Well said Caitlin

― RSG (crablangoon), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

no, i think there are valid points, gareth. it would maybe be more useful, though, if the critique was made with more of a knowledge of the community, to better address her complaints.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

my BINGO was for what caitlin said.

also, what the fuck do you want one of us to say, Gareth, or do you just like playing the part of the school marm?

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

there's an "undercurrent of male posturing" on ILM

JUST ILM? not THE WHOLE WORLD? woah

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

i dont think people are usually 'driven' by 'rampant' things as such. i think things are a little bit more subtle than that.

xpost, the main problem with the piece is that it is unsure whether it is about noiseboard or ILM.

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

THOSE FUCKING ENGLAND FAGS!

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

I think there's a lot of testosterone-churning, ball-swinging hypermasculinity to noize music, but come on -- we're not extolling the virtues and values of LYNYRD SKYNYRD here.

so, the general consensus is that there is nothing valid in what she says at all?

Her argument is indeed weak. And that has NOTHING to do with vaginas and her having one.

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

i'm mainly here for big pictures of cute animals, i don't even know what ILM is

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

oh my, someone is confused about what goes on here.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I come here for the male posturing

― RSG (crablangoon), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

i dont want anyone to say anything in particular ellsworth, i am merely interested.

heh, school marm! i rather like that

sweet home alabama is a classic

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

At least the Britishes respond to me on my own level, with TROLLING

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc -- "rampant male attitude" or whatever is way way down on the list. The "who do you not engage with much on ILX" thread that I referred to explains things far better than any knee-jerk male chauvanism excuse does.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

so, the general consensus is that there is nothing valid in what she says at all?

i'd say there is a valid point in there but it's overshadowed by the generalisation and deliberate button-pushing as a result of frustration. it's a frustration that a lot of men on ILM might even share wrt dearth of female contributors - not because they want to hook up, just because why wouldn't you want a place like this to be as diverse and balanced as possible?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

also, Stevem OTM

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

my plane just arrived, cy'all later, i have some kids to discipline!

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

which females have fled ILX, anyway? and sure, some females post on ILE and not on ILM, but more than a few bros do as well.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

(But at the same time, there were some JESS HARVELL remarks on a thread today that validate her point entirely.)

ref?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

yes yes, stevem.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

the "intelligent" discussion of yore often seemed to be a handful of long posts on a subject followed by dozens of congratulatory posts about how smart the verbose posters were.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

and usually it involved linking to some difficult-to-parse music review

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Her argument is indeed weak. And that has NOTHING to do with vaginas and her having one.

Absolutely -- many of the people who agreed with her do possess a dick (purportedly) and also took what she said at face value despite never lurking/posting on ILM or the noise board.

The problem isn't guys vs girls, it's people who post here and on ILM vs people who don't and therefore don't know what the hell they're talking about and aren't in a good position to judge anything.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

i can sum up her blog in one word: WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

― Amon (eman), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna be rooming with Sara in Philly! She's cool.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

it's really just similar to chuck eddy's putdown in the voice, albeit with fewer parentheses

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Quite seriously, I only come here for the coddling.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

wait, which chuck eddy putdown?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

ban miccio

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

of course you come here for the coddling, adam, you're the noise board mascot.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

I love how you guys are getting all defensive about what somebody wrote on their blog two months plus ago. What pussies!

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

"i think there's a lot of testosterone-churning, ball-swinging hypermasculinity to noize music"

there's also a lot lot lot of women these days in noise rock bands. (well, it depends too what you mean by noise as well.) regardless, i think the ratios of women to men in noise bands is probably higher than in most genres... which means, it's probably still not near the ideal ... but...

i'm reminded of the whole "more men are blogging" story... could the cause behind that statistic be linkable to ilx as well?
m.xpost

― msp (mspa), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

question to all them no-good men out there: how many female friends do you have and how many of them have at some point mentioned (to varying level of detail) why they can't really be bothered with ILM?

i think my answer is 5 or 6 (but okay these are all people i met via ILX).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

the "intelligent" discussion of yore often seemed to be a handful of long posts on a subject followed by dozens of congratulatory posts about how smart the verbose posters were.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

undercurrent of my last post NOT 'let's all make list of how many girl pals we have now and see who is best', HONEST...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.applejournal.com/nam/images/book47.gif

oh and chuck eddy made some comment in the vv in a Wolf Eyes review about their fans, clearly talking about this board.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

"I have black friends.... you see!"

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

"What pussies!"

pussies are way tougher than dicks dude. any dad knows that.
m.

― msp (mspa), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

xpost miccio

"defensive" gambit = STALE

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Gareth fucks more girls than any of us.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

But do they like ILM?

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

If he was a gentleman, he'd ask.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Haha, Gareth is pretty funny sober.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

can i lock this thread yet?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

i heard they are INDIE, so it doesn't count.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Gareth is pretty funny PERIOD, WTF am I talking about.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

i didn't even realise this thread was on the Noise board. this changes everything...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

yellowcard cutty.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

oscillate your weiner

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

OMG did I just "coddle" Gareth?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

I think, from reading a lot of ILE threads, that a lot of people, men & women, but maybe mostly women, are intimidated by ILM. And they just don't go there that much and they see one Calum thread and they go running back to ILE. Which is understandable. But they never do see the whole picture. And to be intimidated by ILM is so so silly cuz it is filled with the biggest babies in the whole wide world. Myself included. From reading the ILE threads, I notice that the people who are intimidated see it as a VERY confrontational place. Whereas, I think people who hang out there wouldn't think of it as very confrontational. They read some threads, they tell people their fave pet shop boys song and they go to bed. No biggy. From the outside, i think it looks a lot worse than it is.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I think only about 4 people are actually bugged out by calum threads

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Being a Troll depends on if you have friends or not willing to defend you.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

So maybe it's just a matter that her bullshit detector doesn't work? xpost scott

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

I hate the stones and I hate blues eddie cochran and blue suede shoes I
hate the king I hate chuck berry I hate hooker I hate leadbelly aallrightt I
hate funk and I hate soul rhythm and booze and rock 'n' roll I hate riffs
and guitar licks I hate coke and I hate spliffs aaallrighttt it's ok!! I
hate otis and marvin gaye early dylan aretha -heey ?! spector's wall knock
it down jerry lee run him out of town aaaalllrighttt - it's ok!-!!! there
ain't a lot I can do about it though I'm force-fed your so called heroes
don't be told who to like it's your choice it's your right to choose who to
listen to it's rock rock 'n' roll you will find me in the middle of the road

― noizem duke (noize duke), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

i just meant his emma bunton sex threads or whatever.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

but there are just as many calum threads on ILE as on ILM, so i can't imagine people that post to ILE see that as the main source of intimidation.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

complete outsiders, maybe.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

i often wonder why some female posters have expressed consternation about ILM over on ILE. not because I think they're wrong, I just wonder what does it.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

duke, do yoo have any idea how many times i've posted those lyrics on ilm? okay, only, like 3 times, but it feels so familiar.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

IT'S AN INTERNUT MESSAGE BOARD!

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

gear: do you mean, why are they bothered, or why do they express it?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

"And to be intimidated by ILM is so so silly cuz it is filled with the biggest babies in the whole wide world."

scott, if i haven't told you yet, you rule. otm postage.
m.

― msp (mspa), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

i think ile is just a really comfy place for a lot of people.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

HAMBURGERESS AS BIG AS YER THREAD

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

why are they bothered, I mean.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

it seemed too easy in a way, scott, but i've been feeling like my cd single of it, which i just found the other day in my room (no recollection of buying it) is some sort of mystic talisman now, so to speak.

― noizem duke (noize duke), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2005/6/19/nation/p16puppy.jpg

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.alanandsandycarey.com/Domestic/Cats%20and%20Kittens/images/5%20Kittens%20in%20Basket.jpg

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

puppy with two penises vs. tub of pussy

o no is that a bad thing to say???? o no

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

i think those are legs, dear

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

SIX LEGS?

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

why are they bothered, I mean.

maybe because ILM seems dominated by what tend to be seen as male-brained traits; obssessive list-making, arguing over trivial technical details and subconscious sexism (subjectively defined) and just downright NERDY, which puts the MAJORITY of women off? Maybe not.

Nick motherfucking Hornby NOT to thread.

Are there more girls on the Noise board than on ILM now? What a result that would be.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

there ARE.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

and 2 penises!

A puppy with six legs and two penises was found on Thursday snoozing outside a Chinese temple in the Malaysian town of Pandamaran, south of Kuala Lumpur. Malaysian news service The Star Online reports that devotees at the Kwang Sung Temple have named the puppy Ong Fatt, meaning "Lucky One."

― BOING BOING (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

there were a few reviews on here of the new S-K lp that brought that subconscious stuff bubbling up just a tad. and that Ellen allien review on pitchfork, from an occasional ILMer.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

people you don't talk to/engage with much, on ilx.

Intimidation my ass ... read any politics thread on ILE (particular in the months before the US election last year) and try convincing me that there's more aggression and cock-waving on ILM than that.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

life stinks
i like the kinks

― noizem duke (noize duke), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

oscillate your weiner

-- caitlin oh no (caitx...), June 20th, 2005 6:39 PM.

HI DERE

― Amon (eman), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I'm a girl and i check this board from time to time. I don't find the noise board distasteful, but there is something annoying about ilm that i can't put my finger on. It's like no one really relates, and i think that is what females are sensitive about, because you don't really feel like anyone has your back.

Noise people have their own way of relating, bless em.

― lurk on noise, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

I think the aggression/cockery is pretty equal on ile and ilm

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

i like the way people don't relate on the noise board!!!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

HEY LURKER: ASL?

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

oh you were talking about ilm

xpost i thought you couldn't post anon?

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

You can now.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

"Intimidation my ass ... read any politics thread on ILE (particular in the months before the US election last year) and try convincing me that there's more aggression and cock-waving on ILM than that."

so so very true.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

whee

― Am0n, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

wgsrvgrfbhdfabdthj

― feubqiqui, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

bump

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

haha, I used to live on one of the streets in that first picture on Momus' blog, and you can see one the buidling where I had classes.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

I know it. Now coddle me until I burst.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm not going coddle you, I am going to swat all the naughty noize puppies with a rolled up copy of the Village Voice.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

Coddle NOW or suffer the mudpie.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

THIS. CHICK. IS. BONKERS.

I MISS AARON. :(

― ddb (ddb), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

my oscillating weiner demands a coddle

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

rosemary, coddle or you will not be allowed here!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

sorry, I believe in TOUGH LOVE

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I DO LIKE THE PART ABOUT HIGH 5'S.........AND RESTORING GOOD OLD CONSERVATIVE IDEALS THROUGH CURSE WORDS.

YAY INTERNET!

― ddb (ddb), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

noise board /= gavin mcinnes

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

Count Five, Ace of Cups, Link Wray, Wanda Jackson, Kinks, Ronettes, Shangri-La's, Dusty Springfield, Sandy Shaw, Nancy Sinatra, Sonny &; Cher, Monkees, Ramones, Stooges, Velvet Underground, Modern Lovers, Electric Eels, Patti Smith, Blondie, Raincoats, X-Ray Spex, Delta 5, Slits, Lilliput/Kleenex, Breeders, Pixies, Throwing Muses, Vaselines, Jesus and Mary Chain, Smiths, Holly Golightly/Headcoatees, Peaches, Bikini Kill, Le Tigre, Bratmobile, Sleater-Kinney, girl groups (60s to present), punk/postpunk/new wave, garage (Nuggets and neo-), Cleveland Confidential comp, '60s soul, anything loud and snotty, old Bollywood soundtracks.

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

mudpie

― noizem duke (noize duke), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

the electric eels were well known for their sensitivity in regards to both women and homosexuality. trendsetters, really.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

mmm pie

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

howzabout tim gang gang's quote in the fader, saying they did dancepunk before anybody but lesbians?

― noizem duke (noize duke), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm not going coddle you,...

-- tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemarygilber...), June 20th, 2005

YOU DARE TO DISAGREE ?

― Am0n, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

YES

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

you know the RULES. go back to ILM where females are not objectified and classy scribes are sympathetic to the POV of women.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

I mean, you’re not some high school kid. You should be above Internet squabbles with mental juveniles, or even people pretending to be juveniles, by now.

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

the domain name http://www.herjizz.org/ looks to be available

― Am0n, Monday, 20 June 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I bet she doesn't even like fucking Jazz. What a poeseur.

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

putting the "blo" in "blog"

― Amon (eman), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

The thread has no interesting villains. No Catwoman, no Mr. Freeze, no Penguin, no Poison Ivy, no Batgirl.

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

If you play with babies be prepared to clean up poop.
GOD I WANT TO MAKE A JOKE ABOUT AGE DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW SOO BAD

waaaaaaaaaay xpost

― brock (brock), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

ilm is terrible. it ain't discourse, it's posturing. and it's DULL!!! if i were to get my music news/info/recommendations from ilm life would seem fucking boring. there definitely are female posters who have vacated ilm -- maura, melissa, ally, some others i'm forgetting -- tho i don't think that has anything to do with dudeness; that's simply seeing the same shit talked about over and over by kids waaaaaaay too eager to prove how smart they are and to denigrate everyone else's taste. THAT aspect of ilm is very macho, but i think that's just record collector/music geek kulchur -- i.e. something not exclusive to men even if the majority seem to be swinging schlong.

sara, yr dig at the woman of the noize board is honestly unfair, and it would do you well to rescind that. judging another woman's feminism is like judging someone's music taste: boring and often misguided.

i've been quasi-part of the whole ilx community since 2001 or so. since the greenspun days. i never post on anything other than the baseball board these days, with occassional stops here and at ile. ilm i skim, just to see what records people are talking about. it's extremely difficult to make a generalization about ilx since it's so big and it's not focused on a lone subject. you could call it geeky, i guess, but -- hello! -- it's a message board!

anyway. i didn't take offense to yr post, sara, although i do believe you are quick to judge and these noize board dudes are some of the nicest people i've ever met. but there are far worse crimes than that.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

otm
and one more thing! i could make a list of "misogynisms to discuss on my blog" a mile long, and anything that happens on an internet message board goes way way at the bottom.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

let me whisper in your ear

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

yancey, i think you make some good, insightful statements but i have to ask: why should sara have to rescind her statement? i think its a little bold of you to ask her to quell her feelings when its other board folks who caused this discomfort in the first place.

― yeh yeh, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

well, if she honestly feels that every woman who posts on this board is some meek mouse (or whatever it is that was said), then she shouldn't rescind shit. my read on that was it was an easy way to maintain her hardline stance despite the sudden appearance of conflicting information. the most likely answer of all, i think, is that sara simply didn't know that women posted here and just assumed that they must be lame or even aunt toms to do so. in any event, none of the women who post here exhibit those traits. (except hstencil)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

>-----18 YRS OLD

― SMELLY MY... (Thor), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

including the noise board in her rant just made her argument weaker. the ratio of women here to men is much more equal than ILM.

she is ignant.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.palmdrive.net/ignatz.gif

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Krazy

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

Hi I like Le Tigre.

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

http://www.adclassix.com/images/78renaultlecar1.jpg

― Amon (eman), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/bands/634/product_medium/LDAM02CAL.jpg

― Ellsworth M. Toohey (Grodd), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

http://aroomofonesown.at/gifs/projekte/letigre/we-reject-fem.jpg

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:55 (twenty years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0757982492.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Amon (eman), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

i'm mainly here for big pictures of cute animals, i don't even know what ILM is

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

LOL WHAT UNIVERSE ARE THESE GUYS LIVING IN BTW. ILM'S JUST A BUNCH OF MALADJUSTED DWEEBS, NOT A CONCLAVE OF HIGH-FIVING, BEER-BONGING BROS. YOU KNOW WHY CHICKS DON'T POST THERE? BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT NERDY SHIT!!!!!! YES THE DICK-WAVING IS CRAZY AND OBNOXIOUS, AS SHOULD BE EXPECTED FROM A GROUP OF BITTER YOUNG MEN WITH NO CONTROL OVER THEIR EMOTIONS, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE WIMPSTERS AND THE REMORSELESS, OVERBEARING WOMEN-HATERS OF THE REAL WORLD SHOULD BE PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS. THAT'S THE HILARIOUS THING ABOUT ILX, ITS VERSIONS OF RACISM, MISOGYNY, HOMOPHOBIA, AND ALL OTHER SOCIETAL ILLS ARE STRANGELY SEDATED COMPARED TO WHAT MOST PPL ASSOCIATE THEM WITH. I KNOW I'M GOING DOWN A BAD PATH HERE, AND I REALLY DON'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT ANY OF THIS INVALIDATES COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE RACISM MISOGYNY ET AL THAT *DOES* EXIST HERE, BUT THERE NEVER SEEMS TO BE ANY ATTEMPT TO APPRECIATE THIS STUFF IN A PERSPECTIVE BESIDES THAT OF THE ILX MILIEU (EXCEPT WHEN THERE IS). THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY WHEN PEOPLE CALL JON HOMOPHOBIC - NOT JUST BECAUSE HE ISN'T, BUT BECAUSE ANY EXPOSURE TO THE KINDS OF GUYS WHO DO HATE GAYS MAKES IT APPARENT WHAT A FAG JW ACTUALLY IS (

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE HEART < 3 :'(

LOL ANYWAY I'LL POST SOME CRAZY ANIMATED GIFS NOW

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/av-269.gif

LOL, LOOK AT THAT LITTLE GUY GO!!!

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

DAEREST FATTEY,

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

my only experience with calling out a gender issue on ilm was on one of the fiery furnaces threads. after however many posts, it devolved into a discussion of how pretty eleanor is. i found it disheartening that after all was said and done we were left with indie rock hot or not?, and posted to that effect (so did matthew p). people went bonkers, accused us of being puritannical and fun-hating, and went on about how their discussion of eleanor's looks was part of a pure aesthetic consideration. the whole thing carried on for some time, and came to no satisfying end. i'm pretty sure that was my last attempt to seriously discuss something seriously, not because i felt intimidated but because it felt beyond pointless. these days i stick to the occasional one-liner about how awesome tom petty is and i feel much better.

now.

where's my puppy to coddle?

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/breedinformation/terrier/images/wirefox.jpg

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

he is cute! i hope he likes sightings.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

Lauren, you are a treat! <,CODDLING>

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

BROCK!!!!! I meant if you don't like..um..dickwaving (if that is what we are calling what goes on here) ... then don't look for threads/boards where the dicks flap freely. The gender/age controversy is another thread...

also......... "judging another woman's feminism is like judging someone's music taste: boring and often misguided." Here! Here!

― RSG (crablangoon), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

HI DERE LANGALANG

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

pool-141-158-236-114.phil.east.verizon.net

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

HI JON!!! You are TEH GENIUS!!!!!!!!!

― RSG (crablangoon), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

whoops...I mean "CODDLE CODDLE"..

― RSG (crablangoon), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

ummm, dude, where were you yesterday? this article has been discussed to death on ilm, not to mention dozens of blogs. (blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs, blogs...)

― SMELLY MY... (Thor), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, Jonathan, you know so much about getting along with people. Yeah, you really reached out to me and tried to be my friend and I just turned my back on you. Yup!

-- Jonathan Williams, Internet Asshole (asshol...) (webmail), June 21st, 2005 9:34 AM. (later) (link)

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

lol crybaby

― SMELLY MY... (Thor), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

i'm finding it hard to keep track of all this feuding.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

She uses your full name JONATHAN like she's your mom or something. Like JON would imply too much familiarity.

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

TRY TO BE ME FRIEND! JUST TRY! I DARE YOU. REACH OUT.

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I read the article, I didn't think it was much cop. It was, in fact, pretty useless.

ILM seemed a little less nerdy-boyish in the past to me, but it wasn't anything to do w/"noise dudes", it was more that there wasn't any useless fucking list threads or shit like that. List threads are the worst, like 100s of posts which are just like the name of a record, or the name of 10 records or wtfe. wtf is the point of that shit? It does seem kind of stereotypically "boyish", I guess. one could criticise "old" ilm for a variety of reasons perhaps, but list threads weren't a feature of it. When I found ILM, it was like I'd found the best internet place ever. If I found it now, most of it would just be incomprehensible to me.

most of the stuff I liked on ILM is still there, it's just kind of outnumbered. Some days I really enjoy reading & posting on ILM, somedays (like today or yesterday) it's kind of annoying and depressing to read.

ILE and the noise board (and the mod request forum) are the best, fuck the motherfucking haters.

I don't expect or want anyone to give a shit about what I think about all of this, mind.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

plus, didn;t ms sherr turn up on aim a month or two ago, when jon was there, and throw some kind of hissy fit?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

an aim hissy fit? sometimes i think i dont really understand the internet

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

I thought you were on an aeroplane!

IIRC, she turned up in the aim room, posted a load of stuff along the lines of "fuck you all, shitheads" then dropped off. I was drunk though, so I might be wrong.

Did you see Van Der Graaf Generator live Gareth? They were very good.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

You fail to see one important thing: that Jon and Sara are actually quite alike in that both of their names lack an optional H.

― SMELLY MY... (Thor), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

"When I found ILM, it was like I'd found the best internet place ever. If I found it now, most of it would just be incomprehensible to me."

my first impression of ilm was just the totally weird sense of taste the majority voice seemed to have. i was already used to the concept of people jockeying for brain merit badges whether it's music or computers or whatever. that's NOT unique to ilm AT ALL. compare ilm to slashdot.org sometime.

the "good old days" talk about ilx has always bothered me. maybe it's cause i'm more of a new schooler, but i was around on ilm in the older days as more of a lurker and many things still seem quite the same actually. outsider perspective i guess.

― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

the first thing that impressed me about ilm was just the generally high level of discourse, people talking seriously about pop music. i thought that was cool. i can't tell whether that's actually lessened, or whether the novelty has worn off. i mean, i tend not to get as excited about a 1,000 post thread about rockism or racism or whatever as i once did. i'll still read it, but i'm not as eager to engage with it anymore. these days, i just like the people.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

I was impressed with how nerdy it was. Only hardcore music nerds would start threads comparing, track by track, the live versions on John Cale's "Music For a Rainy Season" with the original recorded versions.

I don't understand many people's negative reactions to the list threads. They're just another form of music trivia, and when you're wasting time but still want to think about something music-related, they are certainly no worse than any of 50 useless ILE threads piling up on any given afternoon. Nobody's pretending that there's any in-depth analysis happening on those threads.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

high level discourse is killing rock and roll.
xpost

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

i dont live on a plane pashmina! i do occasionally get off and have a rest

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

oh, its a shame the piece got taken down. i think i prefer when people either stick by what they say, or change mind publically, though that, of course, is a personal preference

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

it's gone? hey, it's gone!

Why have a blog if you don't want people to talk about you? That's teh weak sauce.

― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

yeah, or editing your posts....

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't think high level discourse is killing rock & roll, I kind of feel like I should wish it was or something, but tbh I can't get too motivated about it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

The funny thing is, with the Feminazis, you can’t joke about their bands or they get all self righteous and cry and rub their vaginas together, but they will put down anything that you like, if it happens to be male-identified with humor that would make Cosmo look smart in comparison. Wow, hairy macho caveman jokes, how original? (Le Tigre’s music has been kinda lame lately, which I’d be more welcome to discussing because I can’t figure it out myself).

― Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

my first impression of ilm was just the totally weird sense of taste the majority voice seemed to have.

Totally! My first visit to ILM (late 2000 or early-2001) I had no idea people were still so raptuous about Dexys and Talk Talk. I was like "oh wow, an 80s brit music board, how charming" or something.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, your early posts do indeed vibrate with that particular sense of naive wonder.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

The same sense of wonder that greeted me when I read this board and realized that there are still grown men who attend Slayer shows.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

AND MARRIED MEN THAT STILL PLAY VIDEO GAMES.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

hahaha! touche'

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

(you know I love you really)

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

;)

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

AND I, YOU.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

beautiful

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm off to make gygax a mix. later.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

"List threads are the worst"

HEY!

500 Greatest Extreme/Noise Albums Of All Time!

AND HEY!

1001 Interstellar Psychedelic Recordings Of The 1960's

but i know what you mean.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

"Some days I really enjoy reading & posting on ILM, somedays (like today or yesterday) it's kind of annoying and depressing to read."

this will always be true forever and ever.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it was the same back in the "old days" as well.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

all threads are bad, unless you actually like the subject in which case they're great.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

jon otm in modreq thread about dissing homophobes via homosexual imagery.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

the "intelligent" discussion of yore often seemed to be a handful of long posts on a subject followed by dozens of congratulatory posts about how smart the verbose posters were.
-- tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemarygilber...), June 20th, 2005. (later)

funny, at the time you never said anything rosemary.

most people on this thread treat ILM similarly to the original article, that is to say they don't post there but criticise it alot in a place where a reply is not possible.

Also this "ILM days of yore" thing is kind of a strawman, when was the last time somebody on ILM started a thread about how ILM was better in the old days? The only people I ever see talking about it are you guys really. It's funny, I never thought the Noize Board would remind of "this is the thread where I say" but the constant evocation of a non existent "ILE (in this case ILM) was better in the old days" meme that only exists as a strawman really does remind me of the paranoia on those threads on ILE.

I think the amount of the ILM/Noize Board tension that is just based on mythical stuff or perception is probably huge. I think people take ILM too seriously, just as much as the Noize Board.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Dude, we never talk about how great ILM used to be. Smoke more weed bro.

― Ultragrill (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

I think we do actually post on ILM quite a bit--just not about dance music.

xpost

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

ILM/Noize Board tension? Where?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

yeah I know alot of you do, but there's alot of people for whom this board is like their safety blanket. same as any of the subgroups on ILX I suppose to an extent but still.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

x-post

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't think there's a "ILE was better in the old days" vibe on TITTWIS, though.

I just realized me and Hstencil are the only people who post to both the Noise Board and TITTWIS.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Dance music is the best music in the wrold.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I remember how the noize board used to be, before I showed up. it should return to those halcyon dayz

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

nah jaymc I mean that both TITTWIS and Noize Board are very sensitive that established ILE posters/ILM posters think the boards were better in the old days.

adam otm.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

i think we talk about ilx here a lot. witness the enemies and humor threads. the pickle bar has a lot of "back at the clubhouse" commentary... where we cackle over things that happen elsewhere.

don't even strawmen come from somewhere? where's a nuILX thread? oh searchy...
m.

― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Ronan, how much of this board do you actually read? (ie, it doesn't appear to be much at all!)

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

or they like coming here so they dont have to deal with impossible posters like harvell and you, ronan.

adam otm

how predictably one dimensional of you. carry on being a slave to nothing but the beat of your throbbing brain.

― jack cole's skeletal remains found at the bottom of a ravine (jackcole), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

gotcha, ronan.

yeah, msp is right about that. before i read the noise board regularly, that aspect of it really turned me off. (obviously, as all of you surely remember). but then i stuck around and realized there was more to the board than just that. it still sometimes bothers me from time to time, but whatevs.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

yeah I wasn't particularly trying to start an argument, by saying a lighthearted post was otm.

gygax, I probably read here as much as the other boards, maybe not a huge amount but I do look here anytime I'm on ILX. as I say, my actual point is that I don't think "noize dudes" are necessarily so different from "ILMers", it's just the two boards have kind of different rules.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

no shit!

― Ultragrill (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the nostalgia for old ILX is overbearing, but it's there. I've seen a fair number of posts that actually single out noize dudes for ruining ILX forever, as if a few JPGs and animated GIFs were destroying the precious fabric of something something...

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

adam otm

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

except whjen he made me buy that gang gang dance cd

― adam otm (gareth), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

gareth don't give up on ggd. i love it. so does cutty. jeff hates it. what more do you need?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

adam loves it.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Gareth get those drugs out of your face and start appreciating REAL MUSIC made by competent, relevant musicians.

also gareth otm

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

i took that as understood

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

cutty otm too

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Jams otm

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

i dunno, i bought it when i was in baltimore, it sounded great in the shop, but it sounded like mice parade/yoko ono in the car, which isnt a bad thing necessarily, but it felt really 1997 somehow. i like tracks 3 and 4 but would prefer them with different, or less, drums.

mary says it sounds like bjork

― adam otm (gareth), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

funny, at the time you never said anything rosemary.

'cause I was still only lurking in 2000!

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

Cute thread headline (courtesy somebody screen-named "yr mom") on I Love Music recently—"There are two kinds of people in the world: People who hate Wolf Eyes and liars." I kinda disagree, believing that said highly fashionable Michigan noise hypes and onetime Andrew W.K. cronies—not unlike many other turbulent acts plugged below—make fairly compelling if entirely meaningless elevator clatter that goes in one ear and out the other but often coalesces into unexpected hooks whilst passing through. But I still think yr mom's way funnier than all the lying Wolf Eyes fans whose thread headlines always aspire to be fake Boredoms song titles notable for spelling POOOP wrong.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

haha, i remember that now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

gear!, i think you and amateurist need to write a book together.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Never Forget: The Lessons of Chuck Eddy

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

gear! otm
jaymc otm
adamrl otm
gygax! otm
jw otm
zoe otm
jor-el otm
cuddler otm
ddb otm
gareth otm
jack cole otm
msp otm
yancey otm
sexyprancer otm
barry otm
andrew otm
amon otm
lauren otm
ketoacidosis otm
caitlin otm
brock otm

who am i missing?

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

who unlocked this dreadful thread?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

cutty otm

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

I (noizedude) rarely complain about ILM as a whole but I noticed today that occasionally when MUSIC is discussed on ILM, some wiseacre contrarian/imbecile inevitably waves the "rockist" flag.

The fact that the "intelligent discourse" so bandied about on ILM rarely if ever touches on the music itself instead of leaning heavily on libarts contextual/socio-anthropological angles bursting with academic-buzzwords continues to reinforce my preference for writers like Edd Hurt (quoted above) or Tim Ellison (hell even John Darnielle when he used to) breaking things down in terms of music comp/structure/content.

That said, I'm stoked about Tim's book!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

yeah, but g, that was just some anonymous schmuck, and the conversation continued just fine without him.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

It is par for the course though.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

true.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

WHO KEEPS UNLOCKING THIS SHIT.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

ggd are good live now

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

let the record show that the live show is now in accordance with all requirements of good taste

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scheduledepo.com/images/court_reporter.jpeg

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

carry on being a slave to nothing but the beat of your throbbing brain.

if only ilx had signatures

― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

cutty nice one

― noizem duke (noize duke), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I bought a keyboard!

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Jack Cole, I listen to Maher Shalal Hash Baz as well as Robag Wruhme.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

tell me about it, adam!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Well, it's this thing called music.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

oh you mean the keyboard!

It's actually a USB keyboard, not a big professional one like yours.

I am going to get jaxon and cutty to teach me the software.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I left ILM for exactly the reasons Yanc3y stated! It was boring and people kept saying the same things and having the same arguments! I am not intimidated by any of them, as it is on the record many times that my dick is bigger than any of theirs. This is all irrelevant now though, you see.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

don't talk, just coddle

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

hugz plz

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

"who am i missing?"

;_;

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Ade otm

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

adam, i know you do. that was meant for ronan and not you.

― jack cole's skeletal remains found at the bottom of a ravine (jackcole), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

oh sorry

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

i would never not coddle you, adam.

― jack cole's skeletal remains found at the bottom of a ravine (jackcole), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

that's really nice to know!

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

STOP MAKING LISTS YOU COCK-WAVERS

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

1. cutty
2. adamrl
3. jon williams
4. ian
5. gygax!
6. tokyo rosemary
7. curtis mysterious
8. hsetincl
9. jack cole
10. sara sherr

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

people who didn't put 'remy' me on their lists

1. ian
2. gear
3. me

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

le tigre
bratmobile
team dresch
bikini kill

― Ultragrill (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

jon williams
george w. bush
concerned women for america
focus on the family
stalin
ned raggett

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

hi jeremy.

i might be in LA in september. also possible SF. will let you know more details when i know!!

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

1. bro
2. killer
3. hoss
4. champ
5. slick
6. dude
7. home slice
8. sweet tits
9. dawg
10. mang

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

how is dude #6? hstencil would be heartbroken.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

sorry, hoss

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

and where is chief?

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

"chief" is a little old school, '80s dadrock terminology. it might slide in in place of "mang" on another day. we should vote on this

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Where is hpencil anyway?

― Ultragrill (ex machina), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

"GUY" is bttre than HOSS

― 1. bro (ddb), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

this needs to be a poll

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

#1 bro
#2 guy
#3 dude

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

leonardo
donatello
michaelangelo
raphael

― latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 June 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

http://melissa.hosting4beer.com/userfiles/ath/tmnt.gif

― Ultragrill (ex machina), Thursday, 23 June 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Ace

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 23 June 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

i might be in LA in september. also possible SF. will let you know more details when i know!!

IAN! please come to SF in late September otherwise you might miss a chance to know me because I will be in London/Berlin/Krakow!!!!

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

This thread has been unlocked by an administrator

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.artnet.com/artwork_images/545/150079.jpg

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

Ha Ha : I dropped my car in the bath and it went fat

― 86 HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD DEF LEPPARD (deangulberry), Thursday, 23 June 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

1. she bop
2. he bop
3. we bop

― sunny successor (when the lunch bell rings why dont you eat me) (katharine), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

4. hey baba rebop

― Ultragrill (ex machina), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

Ian, if you are ever in LA and you do not stay with me I will be very, very upset. I'll probably cry.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

I know where Ian can stay and have a real gay pr0n adventure

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

also, not to hamper on the sexism part since thats BORING by now, but: i dont understand why some people from ILE/M come over here and feel a need to post, at all...when they know they're pretty much precisely the reason why this place was created as an "escape/haven" from their (perceived or not) ubiquitousness/dominance over there

i also dont understand the MASSIVE need for approval/acceptance some of the ppl who post to the NB regularly/daily have, who are v obviously _not_ of the "noize" mindset at all, and who many have simultaneous problems with some of the "content" here either... a few almost as a response to their early jeering on here (the NB enemy list) - and perhaps they think that if they keep posting here they can "contain" it

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

i mean, really http://u-and-me.u.skyblog.com/pics/17096443.jpg

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

my belly-button smells funny and kind of good.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

OKAY FINE HERE'S SOME REVERSE SEXISM FOR YOU (bonus kwestion: can you guess who's responses are unlikely to have ever occured?):

8:50 PM
AIM IM with iamverymetal
Chaki: 8:39 PM
hi
AIM CHAT TONITE:
CHAT REQ RECEIVED BY
Orbit:8:40 PM
hi

Chaki: wassup

Orbit: nothing. having a nice night, how are you?

Chaki: im ok
im having a relaxing night myself

Chaki: can i ask you a sexual question

Orbit: go ahead

Chaki: how would you rate your ability to give a bj

Orbit: why are you asking me that? so you can cut and paste this somewhere and make fun of me? or are you just being obnoxious?

Chaki: you said i could ask
nevermind

Orbit: you can ask. but I can ask too.
i'd like to know the motive behind it before I decide if i will answer

Chaki: just curious.

Orbit: what made you curious?

Chaki: being male

Orbit: and you want one? I don't give blow jobs to people I don't know and love. When I know and love them, I am fantastic at it.
8:45 PM

Chaki: no i dont want one.
i asked all females and gay males on my list

Orbit: and what do they reply?

Chaki: all different
most people say they are great

Orbit: Well, it's not a difficult skill

Chaki: sure it is
i couldnt do it

Orbit: The evaluation of how good it is should lie with the receiver, not the giver. Ask XXX(Ex-LTR), if you dare and he will tell you what it is like to be on the receiving end of my blow job. That's the only way to know. And why would you want to give a blow job? Are you gay?

Chaki: sheesh talking with you is like talking to a scientologist.

Orbit: how so?

Chaki: you tell me?
see what i did there

Orbit: look i don't know you well enough to be comfortable with you in that kind of conversation. I am protecting myself, asking questions, and being suspicious.

Chaki:ok
s'all good

Orbit: I wouldn't mind getting to know you better, but this prob isn't the best way to go about it.
I have a good general impression of you.

Chaki: calm down
i was just askin

Orbit: untl then

Chaki: OMG You cry at orgasm!!!!!
====================================

etc etc ending up with me being told I was crazy. Now I ask you. Why aren't there more women in ILM?

-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...), June 23rd, 2005.

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

are you of the *noize* mindset

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

we already covered MY MINDSET - including all charges of misogyny - here a long long time ago in the early eons of Noize and since this was the answer i got: Vic, if we have Jews and ladies posting on this anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynist board, there's certainly room for teh gays!!

-- tokyo rosemary (rosemarygilber...), August 11th, 2004....no one has given my comin & goin grief since (u WaNNa b STarTInG sOMeThiNG?!? eHeH) - even though I still have to live w/ shame of teh posting-penis-pictures-with-AH-dirty association!!! a blemish i'll live with FOREVER

i think this whole topic was probably covered by Tokyo "teh Coddler" Rosemary here -> is this board dudes only? at the very beginning, and i thinkin that article above here's a misunderstanding btwen "noize dudes" and ILM, like everyone else has already pointed out / 76956069747251234111537486970 X-POSTS

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

this was my fave part:

http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1148.gif

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.babyharp.net/The%20Kiss%20copy.jpg

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

nice to see that orbit is still so much wacky fun.

― h0t h0t h0rsey (Carey), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

quiet, you persecutor.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

stop pulling my dick, you coddler.

― h0t h0t h0rsey (Carey), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

i get really excited for a split second when i see "coddler" because i always misread it as "cobbler." mmmm - cobbler! the blueberry variety with vanilla ice cream was my preferred dessert at the ground round.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

i was imagining that you had taken to making shoes.

― h0t h0t h0rsey (Carey), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

cobbler? cobblers. its no dairy queen

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

years ago i was going to take the accessory design class at fit, to learn how to make shoes, but i spent the money at the bar instead.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

vic, don't get mad! i just wanted to know your mindset is all.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

lock thread. i'm on the rag and this is making me all emotional and shit.

― sugarpants: baby's face on football! (sugarpants), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

HEY ME TOO!!!!!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

woah, it's like the noize bored synced up out cycles. see, it is female-friendly after all!

and who would want to work/write for an alt-weekly? i'll bet the pay is shit and the inter-office drama neverending.

― sugarpants: baby's face on football! (sugarpants), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

vic, do you mean me?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I am disappointed in that chaki in no way at all seemed to utilize the phrase "two weeks" in that aim transcript.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Carey is funny

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

http://geek.j2solutions.net/shots/matrix-gaim.png

― SMELLY MY... (Thor), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

jaync - nah. a friend of yours - you're friendly to everyone, so this is all i'll say =) btw, did you talk to mark at what happened to him out here over the wkend when yer mummy wuz here? it really sucketh but dont let that dissuade u from visiting

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i've talked to him. it totally sucks. don't worry, i still want to visit, i just don't know when i can take vacation time!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

i am resisting the urge to teeenage mutant ninja turtle namedrop.

― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.writingwrong.com/img/sig1.gif http://www.writingwrong.com/img/sig2.gif

― CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 June 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

http://myspace-864.vo.llnwd.net/00136/46/86/136936864_l.jpg

― THE JAMES DEAN OF THE OLD TESTAMENT (ex machina), Sunday, 26 June 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

http://myspace-073.vo.llnwd.net/00140/37/07/140497073_l.jpg

― THE JAMES DEAN OF THE OLD TESTAMENT (ex machina), Monday, 27 June 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

ninja gaiden \m/

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Monday, 27 June 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

LOOK WE ARE NOT FOOLS

― THE JAMES DEAN OF THE OLD TESTAMENT (ex machina), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

THINGS EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW:

1. i prolly started all this by inappropriately hitting on both ms. sherr and ms. scoh fuck i can't spell her last name, y'know, maria, on aim and myspace. i didn't think i said anything too obnoxious (unless "U R CUTE" is tantamount to "blow me" these days?) but hey, that's cool, i was a jerk. maria really looks a lot like babs manning tho! and tho i've never seen her in person, i've always been a fan of ms. manning's work. she is a fantastic songwriter and performer (and firewoman! or park ranger or whatever) and also pretty dang cute.
2. nonetheless they both booked my friends' band, which was mighty big of them.
3. actually come to think of it they booked my ex's old band! the one with teh lezbian in it! i spose they could ask them about big ol' gaybashin' womanhatin' hpencil.
4. my new roommate is GAY GAY GAY BUTTFUCKING GAY. actually i don't know if he's into teh buttsex, not all gay dudes are, but whatever. he's nice and really funny and a good conversationalist and HOLY CRAP HE CLEANS UP EVERYTHING AND I DIDN"T EVEN ASK.
5. hey does everybody know that ANDREW W.K. IS PRODUCING THE NEW SIGHTINGS RECORD?!!?!!?!?

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Babs Manning totally rules!! who doesn't like her? good person, great taste in music, likes to smoke down, baseball fan, way into the New Zealand scene, laid back and friendly, she... rocks!

Now I'm gonna listen to "Somewhere Soon" 20 times in a row, dream of jack Cole, and pass out .... babs babs babs ..

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah see like to me that's a compliment, comparing them to babs. sheesh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

in more civil days *sigh*:

Hstencil invited me to an AOL chatroom thing a day or two ago and then I exited by mistake and then forgot about it. Sorry Hstencil!

-- Sara Sherr (sar...), March 9th, 2005.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

come to think of it i went with ex's band to one of their philly shows?! and i remember there being something about female promoters but they didn't say hi? something like that? wow. weird coincidence. also, in the wawa down the the street i ran into my old friend sar@h w00d who was one of my best friends waywaywayway back when (when i really did act like a jerk, being 12 and all). it was so nice to see her. it's so heartbreaking that she lives in this city and i never see her. oh well. such is life.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 2 July 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.voiceofpunk.com/pastissues/issuethree/util/smallcover.jpg

― get to thA CHOPPA / A++++++ SELLER (ex machina), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

voice of punk sound like GROBSH LA DOP I TRAMPH HAN SOLO

― elmo (allocryptic), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Did you know that in the post ROTJ Star Wars novels, it is revealed that Boba Fett escapes the Sarlac?

― get to thA CHOPPA / A++++++ SELLER (ex machina), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

yes :(
http://members.tripod.com/Smitemeister/sarlac.jpg

― sleep (sleep), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Books/Indians.JPG

― get to thA CHOPPA / A++++++ SELLER (ex machina), Monday, 4 July 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

If she's old enough to talk, she's old enough to shut up and suck this dick.

― She's built like a steakhouse, but she handles like a bistro! (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 9 July 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

http://phs.abstractdynamics.org/archives/001731.html

― Nevada Lime (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

attacking him as "insensitive" will only strengthen his position and mindset. Guys like these(& their voters) feel that "sensitivity" = "tolerance" = "polical correctness" = "multiculturalism" = "coddling", so being "insensitive" as such is a good thing, to them.

there's the other connotation as well that "sensitivitity" = "not macho" = "faggy", etc.

-- kingfish (jdsalmo...) (webmail), July 13th, 2005 3:15 PM. (Kingfish) (tracklink) (later) (link)

― Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

dude, did you see that anna malle dvd? that chick was gettin' it hard, i tell ya! she got it from two guys at once, and then got it from two others later.
her comedy sidekick didn't get any, tho.

-- kingfish (jdsalmo...) (webmail), July 13th, 2005 1:03 PM. (Kingfish) (link)

― cousin larry bundgee: the next generation, season two (bundgee), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

HEY HOW YOU DOIN SAILORRRRRRRRRRR????????//

― Sara Sherr, Bloggrrl (eman), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

'sara@plainparade.org' is in use by a registered user. If you are that user you can log in below, otherwise go back and enter a different address.
Login Name Mrs. Jonathan Williams
Password

(Click here if you have forgotton your password)

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

hahahahhahahaha!

― Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

ouch, stence

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

ouch, noise dude nonsense

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

keep 'em coming, rob!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

umm ... is referring to me by my first name (common knowledge to pretty much anyone) supposed to like, "get me" me or something dork? but hey, keep on trying to be all collegial and stuff, noise-dude-nonsense-boy.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

ha she's nuts.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

Shouldn't those kingfish posts have had random sentences in bold or something?

― pwner of a lonely heart (pr00de), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

attacking him as "insensitive" will only strengthen his position and mindset. Guys like these(& their voters) feel that "sensitivity" = "tolerance" = "polical correctness" = "multiculturalism" = "coddling", so being "insensitive" as such is a good thing, to them.
there's the other connotation as well that "sensitivitity" = "not macho" = "faggy", etc.
-- kingfish (jdsalmo...) (webmail), July 13th, 2005 3:15 PM. (Kingfish) (tracklink) (later) (link)

― pwner of a lonely heart (pr00de), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

should i feel ripped-off if i haven't been coddled lately?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

awwww, gygax, honey i'm sorryyyy

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

is calling me "dork" and "dweebasaurus" (seriously!) supposed to "get me," too? do you realize how junior-high locker-room that sounds? funny. and what the fuck are you even talking about, "trying to be all collegial"? i know and like most of the people who post on the noise board, so i come here and talk to them. what's wrong with that? i've explained on other threads why i started "noise dude nonsense," and i think everyone understands where i was coming from, so it's even not worth going into again.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

xpost: http://moopsmusic.chainreactionweb.com/images/049_lg.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

great record, thank you BBT (wherever you and your WSox are)!

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

gygax seems like he is beyond coddling, to be quite frank.

this is a compliment.

Also because lately I have been greatly enjoying Metal Gear Solid 2 which gygax gave me! for FREE! when I got my ps2. He is a very good person.

xxp!

― L@@K !! *RARE*!! (nordicskilla), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

AIDS is free too.

― LOCKER ROOM TOWEL FIGHT: THE BLINDING OF LARRY DRISCOLL (Adrian Langston), Monday, 1 August 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

http://is1.okcupid.com/users/600/654/6006552710945551180/mt1122889441.jpg

― LOCKER ROOM TOWEL FIGHT: THE BLINDING OF LARRY DRISCOLL (Adrian Langston), Monday, 1 August 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.booksamillion.com/bam/covers/0/80/856/689/080856689X.jpg

― Laura H. (laurah), Monday, 1 August 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

JON IS A HUGE FAN OF TREEHOUSES

― A. BORRELLI (A. BORRELLI), Monday, 1 August 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.candytower.com/link/5000/5497.jpg

― elmo (allocryptic), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wackymats.com/images/DM-3007t.jpg
http://www.bcbsmretireeassoc.com/images/nwatable.jpg

― gear (gear), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

http://i.spotted.augustachronicle.com/user/1/gallery/14630.jpg

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 1 August 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

http://www.rickchris.com/galleries/samplegalleries/lockerroom.jpg

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

http://mchester.queernet.org/leatherjews/TomQadmon.gif

TOM'S OF FINLAND + QABALALALA wow

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blacktown.net/churchformenonly_beveledlogo_musclemanlogo.gif

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blacktown.net/muscleman_manpower_red_poster_final.gif

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

duping someone's email

― orgone accumulator (ex machina), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

http://static.flickr.com/20/72540632_3b8ce8f421_o.jpg

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

haha look at that guy's butt! he's like, clenching

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

they drinking mad kool aid yo.

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

there's a cpu in plain view at this party

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

she has a hole in the crotch of her jeans

― POOP BITCH (Mandee), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

i would say that posting maria's picture isn't very nice, except for the fact that it's on THIS thread.

which is fucking genius.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

TUNA SURPRISE!!

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

yup, ive got a hole in my jeans!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Shocking!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

it was casual friday!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

OH LOOK I'M REALLY FUCKING FAT AND BORING. *POSTS 100 PICTURES OF SELF TO ILX*

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgril), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

See, this is why I don't post here.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

wow, i didnt see that coming!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, but you aren't fat or boring! You just have a hairy taint and can be a bit naive.

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

actually, im flattered that y'all want to make fun of me. i mean, i am fat and boring -- not really a good subject for ridicule, really.

but do as you please.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, I have the right to be fat and boring!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

*masturbates softly*

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

"in my opinion, if there is something you don’t want to be photographed, don’t do it in a space where there’s high visibility. this is not advocating sexual prudence but id like to see people think about what possible outcomes come from their actions. for example, say stupid shit on the internet, and it will wind up on a blog, messageboard or elsewhere. have sex in front of a plate-glass window in high proximity to college students, expect to be photographed/ridiculed on the internet."

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.dltk-kids.com/crafts/halloween/riddles/ba29.gif

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://moca.virtual.museum/culver/naive.jpg

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

See, this is why I don't post here.

doesn't stop you from reading here, though?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

fat and boring = most noize board posters

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ian weighs 130 lbs and is like 6 feet tall.

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm 6 ft and a tubby 160

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

im pretty large

― howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

i am fat and boring, actually!

― POOP BITCH (Mandee), Thursday, 15 December 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

i liked maria's pic

― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

i have trouble accepting her as anything but a complete fuckwit when she's got that bullshit disco pose going on in that pic.

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Care to post the furry video?

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

haha, at least you can't see my face and i got paid for it

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4079/5d42b79811d0dd8a3a591527b49a87.gif

― Yawn (Wintermute), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

im flabby and dull

― latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

5'11" and 200 lbs

― latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

i'm slender and exciting

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

if you were a beverage what would you be?

― latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

i'm lean and mean

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Jon, since you're from Rochester, I was wondering: are garbage plates noise?

― Mrs. Jonathan Williams (Mrs. Jonathan Williams), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

as someone who was just in Rochester yesterday morning, I will answer for Jon and say that yes, Tahoes, white hots, and beef-on-weck are about as nooooise as you can possibly get.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

NOT NOISE FOR YR ARTERIES OR FOR MANKIND

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

If Noise = the fat ass white college dudes in khakis and LL Bean fleece hoodies + greased out locals in shiny shirts who populate east ave, then YES!

(They are ok)

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

LOL

― JW (ex machina), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

― bb (bbrz), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

avail is pretty rad

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

i need to dig some up...i have a tape under the couch i think...

― bb (bbrz), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

i used to LOVE over the james.

― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Blectum from Blechdom's top girl band names
(in no particular order)

english clit
MIDI snatch bays
clittney spears & christina aguivulva
twin peaks
the walls have clits
leave it to cleavage
tamponcho
bitch got issues
her story
beasts of yeast
josie and the pussy
g marks the spot
the douche mark
the sperm banks
the dependers
the suppleositories
femi9 (must have 9 members - take that tribe8)
get ovary it
breast in peace
vagisylvia
just say ho
with wings
triple nipple
silcon valleys
the dark side of the womb
flabia (fat girl band)
eve's crush
new bile
free parking
wicca with attitude
mammagrammas
hi men
the dildawgs
the bleeders
the house knives
i cunt believe it's not butter
the cuntry music band
the itty bitty titty
pjork
men o' paws
cervix with a smile
diet grrrls
the cheerbleeders
the fell open tubes
you've got femail
lil quim
george bush
red vag of courage
paps blue smear
the stirrups
the girlillas
snatch of the day
queen laQueefa

― 'free parking' (Jon L), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22cut%20my%20life%20into%20pizzas%22&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

― ath (ath), Monday, 4 September 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

that is some next level shit

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 4 September 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

loooooooooooook we'rrrrrrrrrrrrrre nottttttttt fooollllllsssssssssssss

― señor citizen (eman), Monday, 4 September 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

oh hey

― ☪, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

as irritating as those chicks were, w/their indie-rock cheerleading and constant xuxhk suck-ups, I'd exchange em for KJB et al in a flash

― m coleman, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

king james bible?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 25 April 2008 20:02 (seventeen years ago)

rosetta stone

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 25 April 2008 23:05 (seventeen years ago)

Blectum from Blechdom's top girl band names
(in no particular order)
english clit
MIDI snatch bays
clittney spears & christina aguivulva
twin peaks
the walls have clits
leave it to cleavage
tamponcho
bitch got issues
her story
beasts of yeast
josie and the pussy
g marks the spot
the douche mark
the sperm banks
the dependers
the suppleositories
femi9 (must have 9 members - take that tribe8)
get ovary it
breast in peace
vagisylvia
just say ho
with wings
triple nipple
silcon valleys
the dark side of the womb
flabia (fat girl band)
eve's crush
new bile
free parking
wicca with attitude
mammagrammas
hi men
the dildawgs
the bleeders
the house knives
i cunt believe it's not butter
the cuntry music band
the itty bitty titty
pjork
men o' paws
cervix with a smile
diet grrrls
the cheerbleeders
the fell open tubes
you've got femail
lil quim
george bush
red vag of courage
paps blue smear
the stirrups
the girlillas
snatch of the day
queen laQueefa

RED VADGE OF COURAGE

― get bent, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)

whatever happened to girl bands? i like girls. thank god for the donnas. um, not that i listen to the donnas, but they are still at it!

i guess text messaging as replaced fumbling ineptly at instruments. hahahaha, that was my ilx sexist comment of the day!

― scott seward, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/red_vadge_copy.jpg

― latebloomer, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:48 (seventeen years ago)

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