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I'm going to be visiting there from November 7 through the 20th. Give me some exciting things to see and do, aside from spending lots of cash of Amoeba. (Someone I know said that you could walk into Amoeba and spend your life savings on records within the span of hours, 'cos it's _that_ good of a record store. Is this true??) I was planning to go to the Paul St. Hilaire + Scion concert - any other gigs worth seeing, especially in an experimental music vein? Also, what are some good techno/microhouse club nights to hit?

― T, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

keep an eye on yr heart.
there's some nimble fingers in ol' frisco by the sea

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Go to a "sauna"

― Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

drum circles

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

San Francisco and what to do in it

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(yes, it's true)

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i'm gonna be at that Tikiman show. my buddy's gonna be up here from LA for his birthday, so maybe not?

― JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thinking of coming to the Bay Area in the first half of December, maybe.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I am rarely tempted by Ameoba, actually. Portland has cheaper CD shops and no sales tax. It's kinda taken all the fun out of CD shopping in other towns.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Vote in the mayoral elections!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

get gygax! to take you to dinner.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

No, you want an Olde San Francisco steak house!

http://a1892.g.akamaitech.net/7/1892/33/41db00e9a8ebdb/images.citysearch.com/feature/5748/alfreds.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

take you to dinner, not make you dinner.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Take the cable car to Fisherman's Wharf. It's S.F.'s best-kept secret. Only the locals do it.

― Skottie, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

If you look carefully, you might just be able to make out Coit Tower, but keep that on the DL.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Laugh at the Yuerba Buena Truck

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

go to Aquarius Records, I like it better than Amoeba anyway.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

me too

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

HI DERE

― Amazing Randy (Amazing Randy), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you have something more to say?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

And be sure and look at that Doobie Brothers building. It's crazy!

― Skottie, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Is it really necessary for Rasputin's to employ someone to sit on a little chair inside their elevator and push the buttons for all of their customers?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

they are keeping those indie rascals off the street. be thankful.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of elevator people, the building where I am working now has a concierge who, when he sees me open the front door, calls an elevator for me, pushes the button for my floor (It could be any of 10 but he remembers!), holds the door open, and gives me a friendly pat on the shoulder every time I enter. I shouldn't love it so much, but I do.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it really necessary for Rasputin's to employ someone to sit on a little chair inside their elevator and push the buttons for all of their customers?

only if he's listening to undie CDRs (or is a possible anticon member), eating a burrito, and kicking boxes of used cds off at every stop.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

do you tip him? you're supposed to tip in the US, you cheap limey.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

'Fancy'!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

do you tip him? you're supposed to tip in the US, you cheap limey.

Oh kyle, I'm sure the pay the man a decent enough wage. ;)

'Fancy'!

It really is though!

The Rasputin's elevator person today was a very pretty girl in a Belle & Sebastian shirt. Her choice of music: The Hives. On a PINK boom box!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

you're a married man, stay away from those record-hawking sirens

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

But I needed to get to Used Electronica!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The pink boom box is always there no matter who's manning the elevators. No one employee stays in there all day; they take turns (yes, I asked.)

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You ruined my fun! ;)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say that these days, from time to time, I *gulp* miss SF quite a bit...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

*Resists the urge to invoke Tony Bennett*

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(you have no idea).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i get so claustrophobic in that pizza smelling elevator. you don't know how often i go in there and leave w/sweaty palms and forehead

adam, write me back!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 23 January 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I miss it so much I'm going this weekend.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 23 January 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm officially visiting (as in just purchased the plane tickets) from March 4-13. A FAP will be in order, I'm sure.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 January 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

can't you wait two weeks luna?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I might actually be in SF early March one of those weekends...hm!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

JaXoN - I got your email, sorry, has been a bit busy. Formulating an answer right now!

A potential Ned/Jaymc FAP is a very interesting proposition...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 January 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

go and see the sealions. They are brilliant.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 23 January 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I could, but I'm going this weekend anyway.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 23 January 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's gonna rain tonight and tomorrow. :-(

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 23 January 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm leaving for my trip on Friday. Any last minute recommendations? I'll be staying with my sis who lives on Gough St. near Market., so anything to see/do/eat within walking distance of their would be extra appreciated. I'll have a car for at least one day in town, so if there's something a little further afield that is worth checking out I'm up for it.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 January 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Gough and Market...I don't know that part of town. Go and walk through The Mission or The Tenderloin. Eat a burrito. Gawk at strip clubs and their patrons.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The bottom of Gough at Market is right near the beginning of Valencia, so walking to the Mission is a good idea.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Gough and Market is right by Hayes valley, cute boutiques for GIRLZ and nice little restaurants (Absinthe, expensive; Fritz, cheap)

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Fritz, cheap

Good fries!

― Aja (aja), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

If you are under the 30 the smart thing to do in SF is drugs!

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I've got that taken care of.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Good man!

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

If you are under the 30 the smart thing to do in SF is drugs!

How come only the kids get to have fun????

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just that way. if you do acid when you're over 30 you might break something you need ;-)

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Eww acid. I'll stick to intoxicants that I can harvest from Mother Earth.
/hippy dippy

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ew.
better living through chemistry! (for those under 30)
/ ken kesey

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Kyle face it you are old. You are like 3 times Aja's age!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus calling people in their 20s "kids" = you are old.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, nice. you won't be far from me.

seeing: one of the nicest views near your sister is alamo square, a nice park just walk up hayes all the way up the hill. "the painted ladies" (you might recognize from your (and my) favorite tv show Full House), the row of victorian homes facing the park westward on steiner, is the most photographed area in SF.

doing:
you're staying in a great central location: close to muni, close to lower haight, mission, tenderloin neighborhoods. lots of nightlife and people watching. short bus/train hops to most of SF. see the other threads but bear in mind you're just a short muni stop ($1.25) from powell st. yerba buena gardens/MOMA museums.

you know you want to see this jeff koontz piece in the flesh.

eating: fritz, mentioned above, is good (hayes/laguna). powell's soul food (hayes/octavia) serves healthy portions of fried chicken for cheap. although this part of town is somewhat pricey, place pigalle is a decent beer/wine bar right there (hayes/octavia). there's a brazilian place around her, ask your sister, i haven't been there in a while but it was kinda crazy last time i went there.

have fun!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 January 2004 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i spelt koons name wrong there... yet, it's somewhat fitting...(?)

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 January 2004 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I"ll second gygax!'s recommendation re Powell's Place. Great fried chicken, and everything else I've had there is good too. Place Pigalle is a relaxing bar with art and comfy sofas. I kind of miss living in Hayes Valley.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 29 January 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

also, you can probably still score some smack around there easily enough!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 29 January 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks a lot, guys! Very much appreciated.
I've never done smack before, but hey, when in Rome...

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 January 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

It was the best of trips, it was the shittiest of trips...

Tomasso's pizza sucks my hairy balls dude! We did pick it up a little late so it was cold and the crust was REALLY soggy. But even after heating it up in the oven it didn't taste very good. I guess almost all pizza from other locales is disappointing when you're from Chicago.

Powell's rocks. Had it once and had to go back today for one last breast before my flight. Those things are ginormous!

The Tandoori Grill had really good Indian food. Actually, I don't know if it was good for Indian food since I've never eaten Indian food before. Get the chicken with the cashew sauce. And the bread was amazing.

I had to cut myself off after an hour looking around in Amoeba. I'm glad there's not a identical store here in Chicago cause I'd surely be sucking dick for cds within a few weeks.

And what is it about Cali that produces and/or attracts freaks? It's not even one specific type of freak---they come in all shapes, sizes, and flavors. Even the people who at a glance appear normal are most likely freaks.
Homeless people are EVERYWHERE, and it's pretty sad and disturbing. Is it wrong to laugh at the three guys who congregate around the same garbage can in the middle of the day---every day----to shoot the shit and drink their Steel Reserve?

All in all I think it's a pretty cool city and I liked it better than LA or San Diego---I could definitely see myself living there.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

haha you said dude

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"One last breast"... haha!

Nice, I love hearing other perspectives on their experiences here. It's like I can almost pick out where you were spending your time (although telling us where your sister lives made that pretty easy).

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

get back to your garbage can!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.steelbrewing.com/images/swap.gif

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

uh... yeah.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you were going for this?

http://www.steelbrewing.com/images/steelwebbackgroundtile.jpg

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so jealous of my sister cause the corner store by her sells 12 packs of Olympia. Can't find that anywhere in IL.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I am a freak.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

yes but what kind?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you go on a daytrip, mr oops?

Did you like the weather?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The George Clinton kind

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

obviously i'll take Cali freaks any day of the week over these bland midwestern Abercrombie and Fitch fucktards who suck my will to live and whose mindless normality makes them much more freaky than any leather pants wearing san franciscan

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

yes the pants

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

things not to do in San Francisco: re-enactments of scenes from William T. Vollmann novels.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

don't be J Edgar Hoover, either.

and don't say "Frisco".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that word'll get you in trouble with Emperor Norton, I hear.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The weather was totally awesome, dude. I was like totally stoked. We drove down to San Simeon---where it was very foggy and rainy during my tour, so I couldn't see the view he had up there--- on HWY 1 the first weekend, stopping in Santa Cruz, Monterey and various points in Big Sur. Awesome drive. Killer scenery, dude. Went to Muir Woods, where we hiked for awhile, seemingly into the middle of nowhere only to pop up at a road next to a tour bus. Then to Mt Tam (I'm hip to the local jive) where again it was totally foggy and no views were to be had. Major bummer, bro. Went to Berkeley, stumbled onto Tilden Park. Berkely was different than I expected, but after seeing it I really can't remember what I expected. More of a typical college town that I thought it'd be, I guess.

xpost Of course I'd never say 'Frisco' nor 'San Fran' (just like I never say Chi-town), but saying the full name over and over does make one wish their was a suitable nickname. (

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

by "typical college town" I assume you mean "best place ever"...

I haven't been to Mount Tam.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

But did you go to Oakland?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I just call SF "SF" or "the city".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the more I think about it, the more I want to live there.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh the joy that would bring to lil gygax's heart!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd make him start playing the drums for one.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(...start playing the drums again...)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Well just from my short survery of the place I can say I absolutely regret not going there for my undergraduate studies. I think I expected it to be very clean and affluent-looking, but with hippies everywhere and protesters teeming in the streets. What I found was a perfectly nice little place with normal looking college students wearing Berkely sweatshirts and Gap clothes.

Sausilito has some great views of the bay and the city, but the town itself seemed dead (at 8PM) and touristy.

I wanted to go to Oakland after I went to Berkeley but the lanes going there were all backed up---even at 2PM---and I had to return my rental car by 7.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Berkeley students are very different to what I expected.

Not all of Berkeley is crappy pizza joints and kids in Cal sweatshirts, though. I very much like living there, and look forward to hopefully renewing my lease if the landlord doesn't want to sell our house.

Oakland is great.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

is the Starry Plough in Berkeley or Oakland? :)

― hstencil, Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Things to do in San Francisco

"Secret" shows
Prince 2/14/04 at midnight (onsale now)
Prince 2/15/04 at 11:00pm (onsale at 6pm)

$99.00 @ ticketmaster.com

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I was looking for a place to eat in Berkeley but nothing lured me in. What did I miss? Zacharay's pizza is in Berkeley right? I looked for it to no avail. Pretty curious to try 'good' deep dish in a place other than Chicago.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Zachary's is in North Berkeley on Solano and South Berkeley/North Oakland on Rockridge (ie, not too close to campus).

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, the valentine's show is sold out!

hstencil, the starry plough is berkeley, but only barely (by like a block, I think)

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Secret" shows
Prince 2/14/04 at midnight (onsale now)
Prince 2/15/04 at 11:00pm (onsale at 6pm)

$99.00 @ ticketmaster.com

You don't know what this post does to me. I won't be here for either. Are there LA shows????????

*checks*

Will somebody lend me some money?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

$100? I mean, I have faith he's putting on some fantastic shows these days, as per Chaki's jealousy inducing review elsewhere, but...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

dere

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You can always count on Alex to return to the thread topic.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

small men, poisoned apples and sleeping wenches

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yup, that's the Tenderloin I know.

*rimshot*

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

*gunshot*

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I've not heard a gunshot in months, BUT there was a lady screaming "HELP HELP" last week and this weekend some people in the alleyway behind my building was fucking really loudly at like 2 in the afternoon. I'm gonna miss this apartment (sorta.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, we just get people going through our trash and the odd Jehovah's Witness.

Police on motorbikes seem to like to hang out on our street, though.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You live in Oakland? Berkeley?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Berkeley.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Whereabouts?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

You work in SF though, right? How's your commute?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I live just west of MLK, halfway between Dowtown Berkeley and Ashby BARTs.

My commute is great - 30 mins max, I work just off Market.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are you moving to/from, Alex?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool beans. That's a nice quick BART ride. I used to like Berkeley a lot more before they opened the Amoeba on Haight St. The campus is still gorgeous though.

Van Ness near Civic Center is where I live now and Western Addition/USF is where I'm moving to.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Grear-I really like parts of Western Addition/Inner Richmond. That's where we would look if/when we move to the city.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Great

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Alex!

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Good luck with the move, Alex. Some very good friends of mine lived near turk/stanyan for many years. there's a great middle-eastern deli off stanyan around there.

I ran into to an old friend this weekend who recently moved from upper haight to o'farrell/taylor. i asked him if it was quiet. he's on the 12th floor so he said it's not bad but he can always make out someone screaming at least once a night.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the Tenderloin is an okay neighborhood to live (plenty of cheap food, some fine bars) but it's definitely gets a little disconcerting living in a hotbed of crime after a while. And frankly it's still better than it was when I was growing up (Polk St was dire back then, NO one who wasn't a drug addict or cruising for young boys or well looking to gay bash used to hang out there.) And it's almost always the cheapest central part of the city to live in (esp. for studios--hell, Philip K Dick used to live three blocks from where I do.)

Anyway thanks for the good wishes Gygax (and sorry I missed y'all at the Rapture show btw-- :( work was not kind that night.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

a friend of mine lived on Hyde for six months and decided to move after someone jumped to their death across the street, and then a while later, a homeless person died on her building's doorstep and the body stayed there for several hours after they called about it.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, you should read this if you haven't already:

The Diary of a Teenage Girl - Phoebe Gloeckner

set partly in the tenderloin in the 70s.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll look for it. I'd not heard about it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Things to do in San francisco if you're gay:

get married in defiance of state law.

Didn't think I'd ever say this but, good job, Newsom!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I live on Hyde. I think overall the neighborhood is fine, but the accumulation of little things does start to wear me down, and I do wish I lived somewhere a bit more pleasant.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 13 February 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

How's your first week, Sean?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 13 February 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey that's right! Have you been able to settle in well with yer new work?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, thanks! I think things will work out just fine there, although I'm not sure how long-term I see it.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 13 February 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, just build up the savings, the contacts, etc. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Sean, Did Jappo (as j.p0rter is known around these parts) ever call you about an interview? where did you get a job?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Quick!

I need urgently to buy a small cake or impressive muffin somewhere on Market or near Ashby in berkeley before 6:00 this evening!!!!!

Any suggestions?

I also need: candles.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Andronico's?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that's my feeling.

Hi Spencer, did you enjoy your weekend?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

@d@m is the king of absolute last minute panic stricken planning.

go to andronico's in Berkeley (what spencer said).

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I must make it to my class by 6:30 though! And get coffee beforehand!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

where is your class?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

berkeley bowl

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Class-Cal Extension downtown.

Berkeley Bowl-parking hell.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

berkeley bowl is right by your house.

masse's pastries by black oak is where we got our wedding cake and it is magnificent. they have small individual serving cakes. go there.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm parked at Ashby.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

make a cake from scratch

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

No time! No skills!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

just drive to masse's and be late for class

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I like to get there early and sit up front. Plus - I have not done my homework.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone hates people who sit up front!

This is your wife's birthday cake we are speaking about.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't care what those people think. Those crazy females and their relationship dramas.

It's not her real cake.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

La Farine on College btw Alcatraz & Claremont.

Expensive but ungodly delicious baked goods.

Even though it's in Oakland, It's pretty much a straight shot up Alcatraz.

― walrustone (randomwalrus), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

How about that rain, then?

*empties out shoes*

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

there was a geyser of rainwater gushing up from the sewer at california/sansome this morning. it was pretty explosive.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

:-p

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

it was like portland (only for 2-3 hours fortunately).

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

After walking to work this morning, I actually went to the men's room, removed my pants, and wrung them out.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 26 February 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Awww and by the time I left my house it was such a pretty day. I'm glad I don't wake up before noon most days.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 February 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

and now... it's thundering. the sky is lighting up white with lightening every 30-60 seconds. I know that's nothing special almost anywhere else, but it rarely ever thunders here.

it's getting to the point where I'm thinking it'd be a good idea to shut down power.

― (Jon L), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty exciting!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha my building just browned-out. I hope it isn't raining too hard when I leave work (so much for a PRETTY day--I should keep my trap shut.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Bah, it's nothing now compared to how it was this morning. I forgot to add that my umbrella was destroyed by the severe winds, and I discarded it upon arriving at the office.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole state must be being soaked -- it's been raining down here for the past three hours solid. I love it, of course. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot to add that my umbrella was destroyed by the severe winds, and I discarded it upon arriving at the office.

Mine too. And my shoes will never be the same. And there goes the lightning again. Crazy.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear that around this time of year, it's a great place for goatse!

― Le Coq, Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Note to self: bring an umbrella on trip.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha it'll probably be sunny and gorgeous tomorrow jay.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I know -- that was just my way of reminding you all that I'M COMING, BITCHES!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Eeeeew

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 February 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i need more weird/funny places to see. gimme gimme gimme. or a website that lists all the places i should visit.

― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Monday, 1 March 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

musee mecanique (fishermans wharf):
http://www.museemecanique.com/

supernova at sfmoma (south of market):
http://www.sfmoma.org/exhibitions/exhib_detail.asp?id=152

pet central (chinatown):
660 broadway

Monday, March 1

Hobbit-forming For those of you who have harbored concerns that rap music hasn't gotten white enough, behold Lords of the Rhymes: hobbit rappers who hail from hoary Middle-Earth and drop mad rhymes like Tolkien. It's unclear as to how LOTR MCs Quickbeam and Bombadil came about, but the furry-footed act is already rolling with the Hollywood crowd, playing the official Lord of the Rings Oscar-night fan party, getting nominated "band least likely to get laid" by Esquire magazine, receiving disses from Time Out New York, and so on. Perhaps it was Quickbeam's involvement with the documentary Scratch and Bombadil's forays as a Brooklyn-based DJ and producer that garnered them cred in hip-hop circles. Certainly Gollum's hissing beatbox skills are enough to make any fantasy head in prosthetic pointy ears drop the 20-sided die and get totally ill. P. Diddy better get his game on before these b-boyz of the shire take over. 9 p.m., Elbo Room, 647 Valencia, S.F. $7. (415) 552-7788, www.sunsettickets.com.

Tuesday, March 2

Dairy keen Playing with your food was never quite like this. In honor of the Tibetan New Year celebration, Losar, Mongolian artist Lam Purevbat demonstrates butter sculpting at the Asian Art Museum. Lest you think the activity involves a dull knife and a tub of Country Crock, consider that the art form is centuries old; the use of butter symbolizes the Buddhist tenant of impermanence. The colorful sculptures are actually offerings called torma, coaxed into figures of deities as well as flowers and animals. And there's no churning involved – the molding material is more the consistency of Crisco than the oily stuff you had on this morning's toast. Still, witnessing such inventiveness in action should prove greatly satisfying for anyone who thought ice sculpting was the most unusual of the ephemeral arts. Today and March 6, noon-4 p.m., Asian Art Museum, North Court, 200 Larkin, S.F. Free with museum admission ($6-$10). (415) 581-3500, www.asianart.org.

Wednesday, March 3

Pop pastoral From the unlikely drive-through town of Modesto come Grandaddy, cool-nerd minstrels of the sunburned indie popscape and the Central Valley's smirking answer to Radiohead. Boasting a more serene and syrupy sound then their cousins across the pond, Grandaddy have been making waves since '97's Under the Western Freeway (V2), but their most coherent expression emerged on last year's gorgeous tragedy Sumday (V2). Former pro skater Jason Lytle's oblique songwriting echoes with vacant lots, damaged girlfriends, and teenage drinking, while his band churns out Casiotone symphonies of lushly layered guitar, melting electronica, and kick-started beats. In the end their music embodies a bubbling, swooning battle between human heart and silicon embellishment with no discernable winner; Grandaddy seem more interested in asking open-ended questions than making definitive statements. Saves the Day, the Fire Theft, and Dios open. 7 p.m., Warfield, 982 Market, S.F. $25. (415) 775-7725

matthew dear (ghostly intl.)

3.2 SAN FRANCISCO
Amoeba Records in-store (6pm, FREE)
3.2 SAN FRANCISCO
Club Six w/ Philip Sherburne, Lusine
http://www.clubsix1.com/images/mattposter.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

I need:

a)A kickass and swanky restaurant that isn't TOO clsoe to downtown.

b)Somewhere where I can buy decent "business casual" (what does this really mean?) attire at reasonable prices.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently business casual sucks:

http://www.coop.niu.edu/frontpage/images/casual.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

should we make the sf fap friday may 7th?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Where?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

A decent fucking tailor.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

a)A kickass and swanky restaurant that isn't TOO clsoe to downtown.

gary danko in fisherman's wharf (of all places). one of the best restaurants i've been to in SF.

biz casual means no tie and coat... so slacks and shirts. do you wear designer only?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That Friday is prob not the best for me, but I can make it if there really is no alternative. I have a VERY early start the next day.

Oh gygax, Ilove you for many things, but when you give me fashion advice it makes me weak at the knees.

No, I don't have any particular preference for designers or non-designers.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I always pass by Gary Danko, but you can never see through those smoked-out windows. Isn't it seafood? I'm not too big on seafood (though I would like to be).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

well, its just a random suggestion, there can be others, around that time, what do others think?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(click on the link, it's to the menu)

any fabric preferences, colors, etc.? that's a hard question to ask w/o knowing your prefs!

gareth, i am probably gonna be in NYC.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that we should go to the bar that I mistakenly called a "chinese hipster bar".

What dates will you be around, Gareth?

Haha! I love this thread for being so multi-pupose.

I guess I like dark colors, G. And...I don't know, whatever fabric is unobtrusive.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm, describe your favorite shirt and pants.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

ummmm....okay, you know I don't know anything about fabrics or cuts or anything like that, right?

I usually like to wear a kind of light blue (but not TOO light) shirt that is kind of starchy (but not TOO starchy). I think it's Brooks Brothers or something like that. Then I usually wear these black "pants" (sorry, it is still hard for me to use that word like you do), they're very comfy but nicely cut, maybe they're linen or something, or part cotton, I don't know.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Go to Van Heusen (sp?) at the corner of 2nd and Mission. Kinda cheesy but they have some good stuff and they're dead cheap.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha! Cheesy is more than fine with me.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

gary danko is probably the best restaurant i've been to in the city. the frog's legs were soooooooooo fucking amazing i can't even begin to explain.

and for business casual, i'd just go to the mall basics, Bananna Republic, J Crew and Club Monaco

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

5th Floor? Elizabeth Daniel? (Though one of them, can't remember whom, is gone now) Slanted Door? Masa's? Fleur de Lys? All great restaurants.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Fleur De Lys looks great!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough to get a rez there though.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

TOUGH TO GET A REZ!!!!!

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/18_31_thumb.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Fleur de Lys is my favorite. For a cheaper version, go to Clementine (Clement @ 7th?) before they (hush hush) close.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

slanted door

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

buying business casual clothes in the US anytime other than fall/winter condemns you to a wardrobe of khaki pants and bright shirts, blah, I hate it. if you run you can still find dark colors at banana republic. also, do check Jeremey's for seconds/discontinued/very slightly damaged goods from J Crew.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2004/05/17/ba_breakers663fl.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The only problems are the tan lines.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do all cops have mustaches?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

(g! let's do lunch sometime)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

my god that is one scary ass!

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

get lost in the tenderloin

― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Piazza New York Catcher

@d@ml, this week is good for me!

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be for me, but I am still in E-ville every day. Maybe one evening/weekend?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

any weeknight is good this week.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Need buy clothes. Where go?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Hayes Valley? Mission?

Clothes for small man.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

rip off rock bands.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Clothes free of irony, some semblance of style, dark colors preferred, shoes welcome.

Small clothes maketh the small man.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Small man has hole in shoe and stain on shirt. new wardrobe needed.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago)

gygax discount small man? hmmmm...maybe.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sfpride.org/

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago)

See, here's my dilemma - do I stay AWAY from the city this weekend or not? How can I have lived in the Bay and not go to the Pride Parade at least once?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago)

http://home.comcast.net/~saellow/Nordicskillz.mp3

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago)

ROFL

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago)

WTF

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago)

heheh!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)

adam, hayes valley is not the greatest for clothes (good for fancy furniture), but they have one store accross the street from BPM records that has nice men's clothes. casual but stylish.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Hi JaXoN, where/how have you been????

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago)

also, rolo might be up your alley? there are two in SOMA - 8th & Howard (more expensive) and 9th & Mission? (more sporty) and then one in the Castro (maybe more Castro-y?)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Castro-y!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago)

hi adam. i'm cool. been working full time down on 20th and Harrison. i still read ILX/M everyday, but just post less. you're all in my hearts. i just saw Kyle at the Giant Robot party last week. i went to the Dodgers Giants game on tuesday. thought of gygax. we got in a fight w/the people behind us because they insulted my parent in laws. that was fun.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago)

haha. yes castro-y

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm posting less too!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, store in Hayes Valley = Nomads.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Good thrift stores?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago)

buying men's clothes in SF is kind of a drag, I have to say. I am not very "stylish" despite Adams claims of me being a metrosexual, as overly stylish clothes look ludicrous on me. I get lucky with shirts at Jeremey's. but there is a shop on valencia (hrm, it's near Dema) that has good basic nice trousers and shirts. Unforunately they're expensive as fuck because I think they're all hand-made.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago)

thrift stores suck for men's stuff too. jeremey's. although there was a giant sale two weeks ago and they might be completely barren now.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago)

you have several very nice shirts. And you have that winter coat thing.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I knew it was time when a cellphone aerial went straight through the pocket of my "favourite" pair of trousers and left a huge tear/hole in the thigh area. Now I use them for "gardening".

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago)

it was time when you professed your love of flip-flops!

my winter coat thing came from j-crew or something. half of my shit does. this is unfortunate.

you're going to London in two months where your options are greater, though. but perhaps you can't wear tattered Hulk pants to work until then.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago)

JAX0N I WAS AT THAT GAME TOO!!!

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago)

wearing flip-flops is one of the things that makes me love California.

Also the fact that my wife can walk down Shattuck in a business suit and white fluffy bathroom slippers and nobody bats an eyelid.

I am wearing flip flops now!!! At work!!!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago)

fireable offense!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago)

American Rag is pretty good for a mixture of thrift, label-y, and some old military gear. and good shoes.

if you want to do a lot of thrifting (and this doesn't mean cheap, just used) Haight is yr best bet.

i'm not too into Jeremey's. for guys it's mostly dress shirts. the wife buys all her Mark Jacobs purses half off there.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Hi Gygax. i thought you mighta been there. was a fun game.

i'm having a terrible time figuring out this one song they always play at sporting event and probably movies. they only play the first 5 seconds of it and no vocals so i can't even tell you if it's a man or a woman that sings it. god i wish i knew. it's sort of a midtempo funk-y soul song from the 70s i think. shit that's no help. nevermind.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Love Train!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago)

apparently jaxon and I have the same wife!

all of my clothes are now "work clothes" so I always look like I'm going to a meeting. They'd better hurry that H&M shit up out here.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago)

My favourite trousers were H&M. :(

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Do they have Uniqlo here?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago)

They should move London closer to SF.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago)

"they"

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:08 (twenty years ago)

they have no uniglo here. London spoils you. I bought so many clothes there last year. why is there no river island? no fucking next? I realize these places are basically the Gap over there, but still, the cuts are better.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Next is okay, you just don't talk about it.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago)

River Island is also good, but caters to a large majority of shiny-shirted provincials.

(/London Snob)

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Oxford Street is so clearly where heaven and hell collide.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago)

i'm just talking trousers here. no shiny shirts for me. Not until I grow my pony tail.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago)

I can't wait!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago)

i know it's not funk/soul, but was it "benny and the jets"? they've been playing the opening few bars a bunch lately.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I miss my "friends and family" discount.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago)

it's neither love train nor benny and the jets. :(

it's probably in the 85-95bpm range and is just a repeating guitar or bass lick over mellow funky drums. it's like a whole note slide up on the one and sorta syncopated stacato hitting of the second note for the remainder of the bar. i've been wondering what it is for months but have no way of describing it besides what i can hear in my head.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago)

me too!

xpost

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:23 (twenty years ago)

hum a few bars, JaXoN

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago)

So what exciting things are going on in SF over the nest few weeks? Enquiring minds must know.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago)

besides the parade!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago)

That's what I thought.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago)

rush - "tom sawyer" (j/k)

call my office and hum it to me.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago)

i'll try to make something similar in reason (very crude and ugly) and post it.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago)

:-\

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:51 (twenty years ago)

"A kickass ~~and swanky~~ restaurant that isn't TOO clsoe to downtown."

My favorite is Chow... Try the smiling noodles, yum

― rxreed (rxreed), Friday, 25 June 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Chow is excellent. This weekend is not a good time to go, however. The best restaurant in the Castro, IMO, is 2223 at 2223 Market.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 25 June 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago)

this weekend because it's pride?

what about Park Chow (or what ever it's called near 9th and irving?)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago)

pride - yea or nay???

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to the beach right now.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Which one?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Pride is fun, you should go Adam.

Valencia/Mission beats Haight St for used clothing. Redwood City kills San Francisco on thrift shops for Savers alone (or at least it did 7 years ago) but I have no idea if taking a 40 minute drive down the peninsula was in the cards for you. I don't buy new clothes, so fuck Hayes Valley.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I'vThanks. I've always been curious about redwood City!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Escape from New York pizza (!!!)

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago)

i 2nd Escape from NY pizza

yum.

― tk, Friday, 25 June 2004 22:09 (twenty years ago)

>So what exciting things are going on in SF over the nest few weeks? Enquiring minds must know.

matmos / francis dhomont concert tonight & tomorrow.

― (Jon L), Saturday, 26 June 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago)

I saw Matmos live once. It was hilarious!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago)

xxxxpost: ocean beach

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:33 (twenty years ago)

Omigod, go to the Virginia Bakery in Berkeley... it's a bakery that has a secret conservative Catholic agenda...

-- Says Jeremy, who used to work there.

― Laura E (laurae55), Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:38 (twenty years ago)

I know that place!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago)

i hate that bakery, everything is dry. The bread, the cakes, the muffins: they taste like napkins. Secret Catholic agenda? Are on a Crusade Against Moisture?

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago)

It's probably the same crazy Catholic sect that's trying to put KY out of business. I fear for those peoples' souls.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

My brother is coming.

He likes
a)Indie rock
b)thrift stores
c)junk food
d)stupid kitsch

he does not like
a)"high" culture
b)nature
c)exotic foods from around the world

Where should I take him????

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:21 (twenty years ago)

my friends' houses.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:33 (twenty years ago)

take him to the ruby room, he will be impressed by all the indie rock people. then take him to the haight. then take him to the castro where he really wants to go.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:35 (twenty years ago)

you are so going to come to some crappy show with us.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:36 (twenty years ago)

i probably already have tickets!

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:36 (twenty years ago)

what days is he here again?

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:37 (twenty years ago)

He is going to miss Communique and The Donnas. Shame, that would be perfect for him. He is here for a week from the 19th.

off-topic - Ulrich Schanuss has been confirmed along with M83 (http://www.blasthaus.com/further.html).

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:40 (twenty years ago)

casiotone and nyles lannon @ the hemlock, on the 20th (I will be at PJ Harvey in santa cruz though but this will be a good show, but maybe too good for your brother? Gygax will probably be there!)
erase errata @ du nord on the 24th

uh, there seems to be nothing much else going on. I guess he's going to sit on your sofa and eat cheese whiz for seven days.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago)

You are going all the way to SC for PJ? Maybe we'll come. We were going down that way on the weekend anyway.

I have been listening to Casiotone today actually! My brother probably doesn't know him, though. But maybe we will go to that.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:48 (twenty years ago)

it is sold out (PJ), I think, but we can dump you off and he can marvel at the skaters on Pacific.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:50 (twenty years ago)

adaml,

am i your brother?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Haha! No you have taste.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Plus you are almost ten years too old. :(

He would like Casiotone, I'm sure. Maybe we will come - I'm assuming you're going if you are in town?

(I was listening to Neon Hunk too)

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

haha, i will be around except for saturday 2pm-11:30pm. i have a friend in town from NYC. let me know what the plans are.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

*shurg* *shrug*

I have no idea. The kid wants to shop. The kid wants to rock.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Who is Nyles Lannon?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh, he is from Film School.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Amoeba rules. You can park in the Kezar stadium parking lot for one hour free if you're shopping there, btw.

Where is this?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

1.5 blocks south of the intersection of haight and stanyan. when driving south it will be on your left.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago)

i mean RIGHT. it will be on your RIGHT.

THE WEST SIDE OF STREET.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago)

how fucking lucky am i? my street is about to host the World's Fi(r)st Ever Bear Street Fair

HAIRrison Street Fair - http://hairrison.com/woof/home

if you refresh the page, the guy in the upper left changes. WOOF WOOF.

i am so getting one of those tags

http://hairrison.com/images/dog_tag_gold.gif

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago)

http://www.hollywood-diecast.com/BJ%20&%20the%20Bear%20Yellow%20Van.JPG

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago)

JaXoN - I have the "things"!!!!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago)

so you need me to teach you how to use the "things"?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:27 (twenty years ago)

i'm sure a lot of bears will be getting BJs gygax.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago)

do you still have a beard (in both senses of the word)?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago)

i'm not shaving until Thanksgiving (let's see if i can hold out). and allison says hi

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago)

NICE! say Hi back!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago)

i'm having a terrible time figuring out this one song they always play at sporting events and probably movies. they only play the first 5 seconds of it and no vocals so i can't even tell you if it's a man or a woman that sings it. god i wish i knew. it's sort of a midtempo funk-y soul song from the 70s i think. shit that's no help. nevermind.
-- JaXoN (jaso...), June 25th, 2004.
Love Train!
-- AdamL :') (adamrl@gmail.com), June 25th, 2004.
it's neither love train nor benny and the jets. :(
it's probably in the 85-95bpm range and is just a repeating guitar or bass lick over mellow funky drums. it's like a whole note slide up on the one and sorta syncopated stacato hitting of the second note for the remainder of the bar. i've been wondering what it is for months but have no way of describing it besides what i can hear in my head.
-- JaXoN (jaso...), June 25th, 2004.
hum a few bars, JaXoN
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), June 25th, 2004.
rush - "tom sawyer" (j/k)
call my office and hum it to me.
-- gygax! (gygax0...), June 25th, 2004.
i'll try to make something similar in reason (very crude and ugly) and post it.
-- JaXoN (jaso...), June 25th, 2004.

:-\
-- gygax! (gygax0...), June 25th, 2004.

holy crap, after all these years i finally figured it out. i was listening to Notorious BIG and his song 'Respect' samples it, so i looked it up. YAYAYAYAY!!! George McCrae "I Get Lifted". what an amazing song.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Yay!!!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I missed that little faux-gay exchange just above when last we spoke on this thread. Nice stuff!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago)

i will see jax0n in about 20 mins. i am a little saucy, don't tell him that tho.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago)

iMac extravaganza

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:40 (twenty years ago)

last nights festivities had a very, very drunk gygax!, right before he was about to go home, telling a guy that i've been checking him out all night, and then as soon as he was done with that, go over to some girl and tell her that i liked pretty girls (which i do...). she told me she was married and i told her i was married too, so we went in the back and made out

― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 21 August 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I am coming up this weekend! What/where should I do? I don't have any real plans or commitments and I'll be hanging out with old friends/ilx lurkers.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago)

haha, Jax0n is a silly goose. I never saw that.

i have no idea what's going on this weekend either.

jax0n what are you doing TONIGHT.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago)

"SF Indie BBQ"?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

eww.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

haha, did you know that sparks is made by the same company that makes steel reserve??? (scan upthread)

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE THEM TWICE THEN

― dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Where are the hipsters???

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

tripsters or hipsters?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand your colloquialisms!

Also, if anyone wants to meet up at any point, email me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago)

ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL

i have no plans tomorrow night (unless... unless... cross all of your fingers/toes...).

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

I'll be driving up tomorrow, so depending on when I leave work and traffic, I could be there at any time between 7 and midnight. But I will certainly be ready to hip and trip.

What are we crossing our toes for??

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Is a tripstering proto-noize?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago)

delete "a"

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago)

(please!!! keep crossing those fingers please!!!!)

spencer, are you still around?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago)

WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS BITCH FOR THE THREE DAY WEEKEND!?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago)

gygax, I just webmailed you my celly.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago)

"I'M FROM HOLLYWOOD"

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago)

JAX0N YOUR WIFE EMAILED ME TENTATIVE PLANS FOR SUNDAY GET WITH THE PROGRAM YO, I'M STILL KINDA OPEN/UNSURE ABOUT TONIGHT MAYBE 7-10PM I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE SLOT OPEN IN WILD HOPES

SPENCER I AM ALL OVER THAT COMING BACK TO YA

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago)

gYGAX, i'M nOT sO sURE aBOUT sUNDAY. tHE lADY tHAT (shit it's way too tiring trying to type like that) i know might only have 2 left (but she might have 6) and they're 25 each. so i don't think we're even gonna go.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 3 September 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago)

oh then me neither, let's plan something else though, k sweety?

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Please don't do exciting stuff with out me. kthxbye.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 4 September 2004 07:33 (twenty years ago)

Ooooh - sealions!!!!

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Saturday, 4 September 2004 07:57 (twenty years ago)

How is the weather?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:19 (twenty years ago)

fuck it's finally calmed down. it's been way too hot. i sit at work and just sweat all over my chair.

so what's going on this weekend? i'm hungover really badly right now and looking to cure it with a few beers

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 10 September 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago)

i've been sick. i might go see Harvey Sid Fisher at the Hemlock tonight, but other than that, just taking it easy.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 10 September 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

it is nice today. yesterday was unbearable. adam you would have liked it. I am doing nothing this weekend because I spent every dime I had last week in NYC. good thing there's nothing to do here!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 10 September 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago)

i had the best worst time ever last night. will report back later.

all i can hint at now is i went to a club in the mission with the same name as a pizza place in berkeley and in union square.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 11 September 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago)

that bar has been there for years and years, and I only noticed it for the first time about a month ago. the clientele seemed to reflect the name.

I'm going to cafe claude tonight for someone's photography exhibit/birthday party. it's fucking hot outside. tomorrow the traffic is going to suck ass and I have to drive to bayview for practice.

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 11 September 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I am back on Monday. London and Barcelona have eaten my wallet but if anything is going on...let me know.

Now I'm off to pack
*sniff*

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago)

m83, friday night! don't fucking miss it!

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 12 September 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm really poor again. And it's raining. Brilliant. Do I need to book a ticket?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago)

it's not raining. I would book a ticket, but you probably don't absolutely have to.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 13 September 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago)

art

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago)

apparently, it's not illegal to do nude yoga in SF (Link SFW)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

so what are y'all doing for Halloween? on saturday (the 30th) i'm gonna go to Fallout at the rickshaw. kyle, did you already hear about this?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Do I want to go out on Halloween?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago)

yes I did. mayyyyyyybe go. halloween is starting to annoy me.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

I hope I am watching Games 6 & 7 of the World Series!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I think I will stay in an play PS2. Are we having an FAP soon?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago)

y'all are bitches! halloween is the funnest holiday of the year.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago)

You are more fun than me, we already decided that.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes! Let's have a FAP! I'm still free on Friday!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Nobody pronounces "FAP" phonetically except me, do they? A FAP then, not an F.A.P.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm out of town that week (which reminds me I need to pre-vote or absentee).

On a completely different topic: What are the best views in SF? I've been thinking about this for a few days based on an email I received from an ILX0r... :-P

Some of my faves in the city limits are:

Fort Point (aka "The Vertigo" angle)
The Cliffs on Lincoln looking West out above Baker Beach
The views of SF from the Angel Island Ferry
The view from Filbert looking South from Telegraph Hill
The view from Alamo Square looking Eastnortheast
The view from Delores Park looking Northeast
The view from Connecticut or DeHaro on Potrero Hill looking North

help me out here guys.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago)

adam, explain to them all why halloween is wrong in america (jaXon's point of it being "funny" being at the crux of this).

Personally I think the Spirit Halloween adult costumes ruined halloween for me. I don't need to see any more sexy nurses, sexy vampires, or sexy Austin Powers. I will stay in and watch scary movies, and then kill my neighbor with an axe.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago)

i would FAP on Friday but we're going to Juana Molina and Keren Ann at the Swedish American Hall because I like foreign girls

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago)

OKAY - in ENGLAND, Halloween means that you dress up as something SCARY. That's it. Nothing FUNNY or SEXY or WHATEVER. Just SCARY. Here it is just an excuse to put any costume on!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:40 (twenty years ago)

The best views in SF are on Taylor somewhere. Or that vertigo place.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago)

the view from coit tower is pretty nice

i like dressing up and getting wasted. end of story.

friday i got free tix for brad mehldau, thursday i'm going to mosdef. saturday i'm going to fallout. sunday i'll probably head out to the castro (my friend's in town from LA) and i guess i won't see you fuckers on any of those days.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago)

you're talking about NEXT weekend though, not this weekend.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago)

and kyle, i never said halloween was funny. it is fun!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago)

if I don't have to wear a costume to fallout I'll show up. I have no time to get one. It is the most stressful thing.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago)

oh shit. i didn't realize halloween was next weekend

this weekend is mosdef and brad mehldau

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Is fun funny?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Sorry about Mosdef, JaXoN - my condolences.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago)

i think that's why most people don't like halloween. it's because they don't think about costumes until it's too late. i start thinking about costumes in like july!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago)

JaXon halloween is on the 31st this year

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I LIKE MOS DEF'S NEW ALBUM AND I'M EXCITED FOR THE SHOW!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I FORGOT MY STEPDAD'S BIRTHDAY THIS SUNDAY. I FORGET EVERY DAY!! I'M A WACKO!!

HALLOWEEN IS FUN! MOS DEF IS GOOD! COSTUMES ARE FUN!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Go as Mos Def for halloween then

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago)

haha. bite it

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago)

mmmmm. .... tasty!

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago)

y'all are drinking too much of this
http://www.bizzos.org/sapedawg/images/hatorade.gif

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Hatorade sucks! I'm staying home!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Hateorade is nice!

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago)

help me out here guys.

Twin Peaks and the drive down Market Street;

Yerba Buena Island looking west across the Bay Bridge;

Top of Buena Vista Park looking North;

Montgomery just south of Union, looking South; and

From the top of the BofA building.

Your list is already great.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago)

All the profits from Hatorade AND Sparks AND Fresca go straight to the KKK and assorted Christian militias!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago)

I've never liked Halloween in SF. In places where kids actually ya know trick or treat and dress up and shit, it's cool, but in SF it's just another excuse for people to wear super-revealing outfits (which is fine, but I don't go to Folsom St Fair either so why should we give a shit?)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago)

HOMOFOBE

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

adam's coworker is going to the exotic erotic ball and talked to him about it. at work. which is wrong.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago)

OMG I forgot:

Treasure Island looking West at the skyline!!! (esp. at night during the holidays)

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago)

(x-post)Fuck you for bringing up my support for Alan Keyes on this thread, Kyle!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago)

She is going in a black vinyl nurse's outfit. She also told me that she enjoyed Team America:World Police, though mainly for the amazing scenes of puppetfucking.

xxpost

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago)

i think you have underestimated this woman. also, please note that she looks about 12.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago)

adam's coworker is going to the exotic erotic ball and talked to him about it. at work. which is wrong.

hahahah!!! at my old job, there was this girl who worked there who was like a blonde gothy type. I was in the kitchen one day getting water as I was very dehydrated from the previous night's activities and she walks in:

Her: "You went out last night, didn't you?"
Me: "Yeah... rough one."
Her: "Where did you go?"
Me: "I saw [I forget] at [I forget]."
Her: "Oh, my club was last night."
Me: "What's your club?"
Her: "Bondage-A-Go-Go"
Me: "I've never been, it sounds like fun though."
Her: "Yeah, you should definitely come."

And I never did. I have a feeling it's pretty harmless but still, kind of a funny thing to say.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Back me up on this Gygax (or not if it's not the case 'round you) but I have both in my neighborhood. Early evening, large groups of chaperoned kids making the rounds. Later, scantily or comically dressed people on drugs. It takes all kinds and we got'em.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago)

ALL OVER HER FACE!
xpost

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago)

As ever, your comic timing is impeccable!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago)

I live in the same neighborhood as gygax and I've lived in this city all my life. The only neighborhoods I've seen with regular trick or treating are Seacliff and parts of Pac Heights.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Tell that story about your hairdresser going to the Power Exchange, JaXoN.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Most people I know drag their kids to East Bay suburbs and trick or treat there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Yes, there are lots of kids in the hood, but I'm usually not around for halloween. I remember I moved on halloween a couple of times. Alex, I think Michael's talking about more LH than WA.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Has anybody ever seen the Halloween Parade for kids on Haight?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Things you'd rather your hairdresser (or other trained professional) not say while doing work for you :

and finally the greatest one of all, "so i'm at power exchange (a sex club in SF) and i'm taking a piss and this amazingly cute guy is just staring at my cock. like he has the most beautiful eyes i've ever seen. so he just takes my cock and shoves it in his mouth and starts guzling. and i had like a cup of coffee and a few green teas. boy can i pee forever when i have to. so we ended up dating for a few months"

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha JaXoN you must just have that look that says fuck with me to hair-stylists.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago)

What is it with SF and hairdressers?
"I'm not prejudiced or anything, but Paul McCartney could have had any woman in the world, so why did he marry a cripple?"
"I have a friend who is so dumb he didn't know that Dutch people were from Denm-- @d@ml (nordi">ark!"

-- @d@ml (nordicskilla@hotmail.com), December 12th, 2003.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago)

alex, i'm a regular. he always tells me fun stories

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago)

I walked by the Power Exchange on Saturday night.

AdamL, I hate to break it to you, but your old "@d@ml" display name really sucked.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago)

If it's going to be like that...I don't like that cologne you wear.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Gygax,

How are those two sentences connected?

xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago)

At the very least my cologne doesn't mess with your HTML settings... I mean, really.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago)

views:

- driving north into the city on the 280, just as you come up to the Mariposa exit

- the view down California Street from the top of Nob Hill looking East out at the Bay Bridge

- takeout from your favorite restaurant and enjoying it with someone special by the giant cupids bow and arrow next to the Bay Bridge at night

- and the view of the east bay from the promenade in right field at sbc park

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago)

I will be in SF again this weekend!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Coming for Halloween, Spencer?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha should I suggest another Friday FAP (I don't seem to have a good track record arranging these.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I am going to the theatah but I might be available afterwards.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.remixhotel.com/
http://remixhotel.com/sf/schedule/

registration is free, see'rs there

― (Jon L), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Spencer - email me if you have time to meet up!!

milton, that looks great. I might try and make it for Sutekh/Collette.

Guys I am not checking ILX much at the moment (new job!), so keep me abreast of any developments. Friday and Saturday both good with me. Plus I'm downtown again! Same area as last time.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

don't bitch out on saturday.

once again, i'm going to http://www.falloutsf.com/ at the Rickshaw saturday and probably castro on sunday for my friend from LA that's never been there.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

bitch out?

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I am going to be on a long, long trip (well not that long).

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:01 (twenty years ago)

KEBAB N CURRY

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago)

???

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago)

does he mean

NAAN N CURRY

where is gygax going?

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago)

YES I MEAN NAAN N CURRY MMMMMMMM

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago)

or do you mean NAAN N CHUTNEY (inside joke for the Lower Haight0rz)?

I am going away for a while.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago)

San Quentin? Soledad?

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Hotel California

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I forgot that I am going to see Walter Murch at the PFA on Friday, but might be free after that.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha Naan & Chutney hahahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Is Murch speaking, adam?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago)

DON'T BITCH OUT!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago)

BITCH IN?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Murch is speaking!

Can you hear me, Walter? Can you feel me near you?

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago)

adam always claims to be going to the PFA to see someone say some shit about some movie and then when I talk to him later he's like, "I stayed home and played playstation instead"

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago)

hahaha, kyle OTM

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but San Andreas.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cowpalace.com/rodeo/graphics/cowqueen.gif

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago)

http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/gimgdata/07475/0747564728.JPG

Every time I try to get to San Francisco in GTA I get shot by the coast guard. One crazed speed boat run took me to just by the Ferry building but I was shot at in the water. :(

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Have you played FIFA 2005 yet?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago)

No, I have lost my passion for FIFA games after the dreadful 2004 edition. All the kids are repping Pro Evo now.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago)

I don't have Playstation and the only games I want to play are soccer games for my laptop but I think I prefer FIFA 2005 to the 2004 version.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago)

You have to try Winning Eleven 7 (soon to be 8) from Konami (called Pro Evolution in Europe) if you're a fan of EA's FIFA. It plays so much more like a real soccer match.

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Do they have a PC version?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I believe so, but I'm not positive. I'll check.

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:03 (twenty years ago)

yes, there is a pc version. amazon has WE7 for $19.99, but i think the new version WE8 comes out in about a month.

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, I'll try it out, though I have gotten acceptably good at FIFA 2004.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago)

enough of your mambypampy "football" talk

what is the best street corner in the 'loin to score prescription-grade pain killers?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago)

6th/mission (not the loin)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that where the porn store that got hit by the bus is? Bet you the patrons could've used some pain killers/downers afterwards.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago)

6th street is the worst block in town. Attempts at gentrification have failed even as the surrounding area starts to improve. Luckily the Scientology center is nearby!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago)

isn't there a place in the loin infamous for being nicknamed "pill park"? somewhere around jones/ellis perhaps

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Bbbbut, Tulan after a show at the Warfield is necessary!!

xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Cancun >>>> Tulan (which is still great!)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I actually like Cancun better, it's just that Tulan has been tradition since, I dunno, way back.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago)

6th/Mission is near where the Gareth FAP was and I had to run down there to "score" SPARKS.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago)

is the cancun there at 6th/market owned by the same people that own the cancun taquerias in the mission?

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I like 6th/Market/Mission but it's um definitely kind of low-rent (it hasn't been the same since the Fascination parlor closed down too.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, they are.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago)

anybody know of a place that makes a good fish taco in sf?

― metfigga (metfigga), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Fascination parlor closed down :(

Anybody old enough to remember the Palace Billiards Hall?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago)

metfigga,

There's a little taco place on the northern side of Market between 17th and Castro that I go to only for that.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago)

anybody know of a place that makes a good fish taco in sf?

totally in yuppie town, but Nick's Crispy Tacos on i think polk and jackson (near the lumiere) has really good fish tacos

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Nicks is good, haha, watch this recommendation: there is Rubios in the SF Center Food Court... I used to crave it every once in a while. They make a pretty simple and basic version of a coastal Mexican style fish taco.

How about Mongolian BBQ? I can't seem to find any in SF.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Los Tacos de Pescado are pretty easy to make btw. Gygax, I don't know/defer to the gf for all things Chinese.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago)

it hasn't been the same since the Fascination parlor closed down too

I just noticed this was gone. What happened to the machines? they were some of the last things in the city left over from Playland, I think.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I bet you're right. 'Cept for Laughing Sal et al.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago)

What exactly is being discussed here?

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago)

i don't have a fryer. :-\

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago)

stasis on 6th st including a mention of Fascination closing down (and confirmation that it was salvaged from Playland).

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Working downtown again is great! I ate Quizno's for lunch and went to comic art museum!!!

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there a new place where Ginger's II used to be?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago)

is the Twist piece that was painted on one of the garage shutters of one of these shops gone now as well? I haven't seen it lately. Someone probably ripped the shutters out and sold it.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago)

I cannot believe there is no place called The Pesky Taco!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago)

I hav just come out of an orientation session!

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Which way is West?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Also, adam, looks like you need some e.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago)

you can't buy that on 6th street

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I miss vicodin!

Buying clothes in this town is still super frustrating.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago)

try telling that to a midget! you'll get no sympathy from the dwarf community.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago)

they are great company.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago)

should I join...

SFMOMA?

Yuerba Buena??

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of Rubio's, the Metreon is still a guilty pleasure of mine. Friday night movie!

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago)

The Metreon-classic or dud?

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I want a burrito from...that place we went to.

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Cancun!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago)

is the Twist piece that was painted on one of the garage shutters of one of these shops gone now as well? I haven't seen it lately. Someone probably ripped the shutters out and sold it.

still there. it's next to "I Got My Floss on at Fit's Fashion". probably was just rolled up when you tried to see it.

i have two friends that live separately in a relatively nice building on market between 6th and 7th. except they don't have their own bathroom. have to go down the hall. the girl, when she has to pee at 2in the morning, actually pees in her kitchen sink!!!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

yes, that!

xpost

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I hate the metreon more every time I go there. the theater is nice and that's about it. And after they open the new theater at SF Center there will be no reason for it to exist.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh god, Cancun.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago)

xpost:

SONY STYLE!!!</adamlr>

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost:
If I bought a gallon of their "cascabel" salsa, how long do you think it would last refrigerated?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Let's go to Cancun and Arrow Bar again!

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Arrow Bar?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

no! actually club ez5!!!

― Damn Yankees- High Enough (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago)

"Let's go to Cancun and Arrow Bar again!"

I am always up for this.

"no! actually club ez5!!!"

Or this.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago)

ez5 is having two halloween parties this weekend. my past experience with the place is that it is always empty anyway, so this might not actually be a problem.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

STOP BITCHING OUT AND COME TO THE RICKSHAW, BITCHES!!!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

I've never been to a non-Club-ID night at Rickshaw, but maybe I should try it cause Club ID can be way too much.

I owe Gygax a CD so if there's a FAP I will try to meet up with y'all.

But I'm confused: is this going on Friday or Saturday?

― mikef (mfleming), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I am confused too. I vote for Friday @ Arrow & then Cancun!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:28 (twenty years ago)

oh, maybe friday.

saturday at rickshaw. i have cd for adam

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago)

jason will you give mikef $10 for the CD for me. i will pay you back when i return, k?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago)

mr fleming, i owe you 10$.

what's on the cd? where am i meeting you? who are you? what do you look like? what are you wearing? will you marry me?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago)

ASL? OMG U R HAWT!

I have the Bearsuit CD for Gygax.

I'm not sure what my Friday plan will be yet, but I'll aim to be at Rickshaw on Saturday. I should be able to recognize Adam.

― mikef (mfleming), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago)

hey maybe I will show up

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:45 (twenty years ago)

Friday?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago)

i was talking about saturday

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I was reading Alex.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago)

CONFUSION!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Where is the best place to buy cheap/used DVDs?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago)

amoeba

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago)

downtown

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago)

maybe rasputin's? I hate their elevator so I never go up to the other floors

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago)

the elevator is great! there always a funny little guy or girl in there to look at!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago)

don't talk about our dwarf community that way. they aren't for your amusement

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago)

they are wonderful company.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago)

The elevator smells funny though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago)

elevator smells like pizza.

mike. on saturday, if you make it, i'll be the gay abe lincoln

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Alright well I'm going to Amoeba after work (after voting [after mailing a check to the Franchise Tax Board fuX0rs]). If anyone (Adam?) wants to meet there that'd be cool. If not, at Arrow Bar? Or not at all? Lemme know.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)

leaving L.A. in a couple hours. Will be out and about in the city tonight (the REAL Adam has my contact details). Busy during the day tomorrow, but will be going out again in the city Saturday night. I could stop by the east bay on my way out on Sunday...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago)

http://scott.cragg.info/misc/San%20Francisco%20at%20Sunset%20Panorama%20%20web.jpg

here is a really cool photo my friend shot

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Berzerkley Hills.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago)

don't bitch out!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I know. I know. Bitch in!

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago)

tomorrow night? I still might show up.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Visit my sis on Nob Hill.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:46 (twenty years ago)

well... mid november... superpitcher on the 13th and ada on the 15th... i'll probably be going up to sf for that.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Is San Francisco cool for a Xmas vacation?
Are there things to do in the holidays there, is the weather still cave temperature?

― TOMBOT, Friday, 29 October 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago)

always thought of san francisco as being good for weekend trips, but not a place to vacation. too small. not enough going on. unless, of course, that's what you're going for.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 29 October 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

I spent Christmas there a few years ago. It was drizzly and chilly, but that might have been an anomaly.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 29 October 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Xmas before last was beautiful. I wasn't here last Xmas.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 29 October 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago)

It rains more frequently in the winter. The autumn is the best time of the year to visit. It's almost always chilly...or at least, rarely warm and rarely cold.

We love it anyway.

― mikef (mfleming), Friday, 29 October 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Drunk, went to the Arrow, saw nobody.

― Michael White (Hereward), Saturday, 30 October 2004 07:51 (twenty years ago)

haha. oops?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

i think we all bitched out

― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I should add, Tom, that even if it is drizzly and windy, it doesn't matter, because SF is the perfect place to hole up in a coffee shop and watch the fog roll in. At any rate, it'll be warmer than the East Coast.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 30 October 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Is everyone going to bitch out on Rickshaw tonight?

Best place in bay area to have coffee and watch fog: Drakes Beach Cafe, Pt Reyes.

― mikef (mfleming), Saturday, 30 October 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago)

hey, if it's any consolation, i did actually have cancun for dinner last night. i, uh, just didn't go to (forgot about?) arrow

i'm not bitching out tonight

― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 30 October 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago)

how was it? did you see a girl dressed as a Victorian aristocrat complete with horse and riding crop? was she out of fucking control? that was my friend.

I stayed home and cleaned. I am fucking boring.

Let's all talk about Hunter's Point now.

Adam sent me this:
http://www.troypaiva.com/gallery/hunters.html
which is cool and pretty in a way that I'm sure it is not in real life.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Adam never called me back on Sat. But it's looking like I may be up again very soon.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Spencer, next time you're in town drop me a line at mwwhitesf at yahoo. I was hoping to maybe have a drink with everybody on Fri or Sat, but Adam never returned my call either, the rotter.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago)

Adam was too busy hanging out in Hunter's Point

has anyone spent much time down there? My practice space is basically right on the edge of it. I am foolish and rarely feel any threats from people on the street; we have some crack whores, that's about it. i understand the area is overrun with gang activity though. What are the chances that we could go break into the Shipyard and hang out and look at ruins and not get A) arrested B) shot to death?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Next time we'll kidnap Adam and force him to take us all on a Warriors-like trek through Emeryville or Hunter's Point.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I could call the film commission and tell them I'm scouting for a movie. It might be done very *ahem* above board.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

i had "officially the worst halloween ever".

went to a few boring parties where i didn't know anyone (even the rickshaw where all of my friends bitched out). and then my friend drove us to a party that she thought was in the mission, but it was in i think hunter's point. it was at like conneticut and 25th, right next to the potrero hills' projects. everybody at the party was a highschool thug, so we decided to leave. except my friend wanted to stay there, so we tried catching a cab. seriously 15 cabs drove by us with their lights on and wouldn't stop. some one threw an M1000 at us and we all dove behind a car fearing for our lives. we realized that the taxi headquarters was right there and everyone was trying to make a deadline. we finally got a ride into the mission and blah. we were so tired and upset from the night that we just stayed home and watched Devil's Backbone on sunday. blah.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago)

oh, and heard that around the same time we were in the hood, in the same vecinity, two people got carjacked and murdered. wonderful. and i forgot to take pictures of our costumes and i dropped my 900$ digital camera and it's broken. fuck you halloween

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Ouch, JaXon.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

kyle, i looked at those photos and those all look like they're around 3rd street, which to me always seemed more desolate and empty than overrun by gangs. i don't even think that's hunter's point yet, but what do i know. and i only worked down there, so i wasn't ever there at night.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago)

the pictures claim to be taken on the actual shipyard which is closed off and has guards I guess, so that's what I was wondering about. I practice on 3rd. It is boring. There's a walgreens I hate. They're putting an ATM in down there in case I ever feel like being murdered.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago)

those photos are pretty great. i always loved doing night photography. but the colors are extreme. do you think he carries around colored lamps with him? especially on ones like this. because that's just too unreal.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago)

they're photoshopped to hell, I think

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago)

i've done a bunch of night photography with slides and i honestly don't think they're photoshopped. with long exposures needed for low light situations, colors come out all fucked. but there's just so much red in his pictures that he has to have some colored lamp

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago)

actually i just did a search on night photography and found this site. i'm pretty sure it's the same guy because they're also from SF. he explains it was done with colored (gels over) the flash

http://www.gorillasites.com/nightphotos/galleries/angelisland1.htm

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Reminds me a bit of Todd Hido.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago)

HI!

Ummm...I got Spencer and Michael's messages...last night! I left my phone high on our bookshelf and then couldn't find it for a few days. :(

But the messages were great and representative - Michael at the theater and Spencer at IKEA, no less! Anyway, I'm sorry.

When will Spencer be back? Is Superpitcher/Ada still happening? There is no info about it on the Rx/Blasthaus site.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't mind a mid-week FAP. Jax0n, will you bring the DVDs?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago)

For reasons of domestic tranquility, I shall be watching Clark Gable movies on Wednesday night. 'Tis a small price to pay for being able, unmolested, to go watch 7 am football games and come home half pissed by 10.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago)

I will bring the BVDs.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago)

No ILX thong?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I was just going to suggest Wednesday (as per your email, Alex)!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago)

Where?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago)

What's near your work? Orbit Room, Zeitgeist, Martunis are relatively near mine.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Madrone just opened last week on the corner of Divisadero and Fell. I poked my head in, it looks cool. This place is JaX0n-friendly.

Club 821 is a newish place opened by the Monkey Bar folx, seemed a lot better than I imagined, only been there once though.

Chances is under new management... ???

Club Waziema (Devendra Banhart played his first show ever here). Hit or miss.

Amber (smoker friendly, pretty centrally located), great place.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Orbit Room
mmm... Alberta

Zeitgeist
It's gonna be raining so I don't know about this.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago)

None of us smoke...do we?

I work at Montgomery/Mission.

JaXoN friendly= it's for HIPSTERS!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago)

I'd prefer not to go to Amber (drinking is the only time I want a cigarette.)

Madrone always seems hopping, but it is definitely hipster-ish.

Where is Club 821?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago)

I don't mind where we go as I don't know any of theseplaces anyway. I am fine with heading away from work because I finish at 4:30 anyway and I get time to dig through the bins at Rasputin.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago)

I won't be off until around 5:30. Hmmn. Do we want to try Madrone (it's near where both me and gygax live)?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Sounds fine to me.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago)

?!?!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago)

i'm sick. i probably won't go out during the week. although i have stuff to give to adam and gygax. :(

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago)

I TOOK SOME CODEINE COUGH SYRUP AND THEN GOT ARRESTED FOR DRUNK DRIVING. THE BLOOD TEST SHOWED THE CODEINE, BUT THE ALCOHOL LEVEL WAS NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO BE A PROBLEM. THEY STILL CHARGED ME WITH DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE. SHOULD I FIGHT IT OR PLEAD?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Gygax, I told you about that in confidence. You fuX0r!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Don't bitch out, JaXoN! ;)

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago)

not sure you'd want me there

http://www.grossology.org/pics/snot.gif

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago)

i still wanna know what "JaXoN friendly" means

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I want to know why snot is web restricted by my work.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago)

DO YOU NEED ME TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER LARGE PLASTIC BEAKER!!?!??!?!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago)

i won't be there again! Have fun!

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:18 (twenty years ago)

What will it take to get you there? A member of Tarantel? Hope Sandoval?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago)

DR3W D@N13L!?!?!?!?!?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Record store girl!!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago)

wait, i think gygax is trying to get kyle there, and adam, mine's "Whole Foods Girl"

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I know!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

oh, so kyle has "Record Store Girl"?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago)

...yes

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago)

But now she is ex-record store girl and kyle is sad.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago)

@ M0D L@NG!!!!

I'm going to bring GREY'S PAPAYA and BURRITOVILLE girls.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago)

no she still works there. I'm over her.

I can't make it because I have too much work to do.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago)

hahaha!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago)

"JaXoN friendly" =

http://www.aichberger.de/_images/1-28a-576x384-Seifenblasen.jpg

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago)

is that from the gayrussianriver.com site I sent you?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:42 (twenty years ago)

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago)

i hate you all. but those chickies on the far right & left are lookin hawt

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago)

see you tomorrow night!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago)

So is this on? Madrone @ 6pm or so?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Madrone at 6 it is.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Directions btw.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh good, I had no idea where it was!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Shame on you, JaXoN. Stay in and watch Keenan & Kel or something.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago)

i will come on one condition. i get to stick my finger in my nose and then in each one of yours*

*easily the best way to catch someone's cold

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

never mind

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago)

hey, are death from above 1979 will be playing at the independent tomorrow under the banner of vicemag. know if they are any good live? i'm looking to go, and then i'll probably go see superpitcher at rx afterwards, and i know that won't blow. so, are dfa1979 good live?

― ela-ela-ela-ela, Saturday, 13 November 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago)

i have no idea about DFA79, but PANTHERS are playing as well and one of my alltime favorite guitarists is in that band.

i will probably be at the Bottom Of The Hill if I do go catch a show.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 13 November 2004 02:40 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

So my parents are coming! Any good noise shows or fetish parties coming up in the next few months?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

That was a joke, obviously. They have been here before. What new things can I show them?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Your grime comps?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:40 (twenty years ago)

My dad is a sublow E3 gutter warrior who merks MCs on the regular, so that would be nothing new to him.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago)

They have never drunk Sparks, as far as I know.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Also my mum has a really annoyin habit of pronouncing "Berkeley" as "Bark-lee". And they just sent me some Ghirardelli chocolate for Chanukah! All the way from the UK! Thanks mum and dad!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Make em drink Sparks and take em to the Power Exchange!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

So many activities, so little time.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago)

when are they coming?

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Not for AGES, actually!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I propose a shitty Chinatown FAP.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago)

guys?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago)

when?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago)

don't know

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago)

To coincide with the everafter infamous faux Ugg caper?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago)

And to buy a menorah.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago)

And eat food.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago)

This is what I have eaten today:

3 buttered Ryvitas
1/2 Grapefruit
1 Turkey and Havarti sandwich
1 can sliced pears
1 peanut butter cruch bar
1 tangerine

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago)

coffee

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago)

http://menorah.com/catalog2/shopexd.asp?id=2305

Looks like Disney's making amends for Walt.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago)

"Give this menorah to the children— their eyes will open wide with amazement and pleasure. Sophisticated collectors of any age will react the same way.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Where is the finest brunch in the city? Where can I buy a white burgundy?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago)

that's a lot of goddamned food!

I've eaten:

a mozarella sandwich
some cookies

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago)

i'm sure there are snooty brunches at the Mark Hopkins and other hotels.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago)

If you replace 'amazement and pleasure' with 'horror and revulsion', that last sentence might stand a chance of being true.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago)

that's a lot of goddamned food!

No it isn't! I'm starving!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Zuni is lovely.
Yank Sing for dim sum is excellent though I don't know about the Burgundy.
If you want to heave off in a fog of stupor, go to Suppenkuche.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, I like Zuni too.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I think that the husband of a woman in my office works at/owns K0kk4r1. I like it there.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I think I don't understand this noize-speak.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago)

I have never been and I'd love to go. Have her people call my people and your people and set this up.

xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Spencer, it's not noize-speak. It's google-proofing!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago)

is that that greek restuarant you were talking about with my wife? i should eat there some day.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Michael, it is great. Well, I think it is great. But you've probably eaten more meals than I have.

Because you're older, I mean!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago)

kyle- yes

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago)

But it's also Spencer-proof!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago)

ARL: did you ever try the smooth jazz brunch at the Hotel Nikko like I told you? that sounds right up your alley.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago)

They play smooth jazz up your alley?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

At least it's smooth, I guess.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

KKSF!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago)

my favorite brunch in the city is Mama's in washington square. they make bomb-ass eggs benedict (fave food in the world) and straight crippin' frenchtoast made from banana bread, cranberry orange bread and some other variety. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago)

oh, but you usually have to wait at least half an hour outside in a line before you go in. that's like not straight crippin'

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Blech Zuni's obnoxious. Suppenkuche on the hand is awesome (I always end up sitting next to snickering German guys.) Also Ton Kiang dim sum kills Yank Sing.

I've never been to Mamas though. It sounds gooooood, but I never head down to Washington Square so I'll probably never eat there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago)

I think I like straight crippin' things but I'm not actually sure.

I'm English. Waiting in line is like a way of life for us people!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 03:06 (twenty years ago)

waiting in que

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Que pasa?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Blech Zuni's obnoxious.

How so? I had a pleasant enough brunch there one day.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Not the greatest brunch by any stretch of the imagination, but I sometimes go to the restaurant at the Metro Hotel around the corner from my place when the weather's nice and brunch in the courtyard. It just occurred to me that our favoritist bruncheria is 2223 Market. I have never had a bad meal there.

Let him be, Spencer, the fewer people making res's the better.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago)

i still like the omlettes at the cliff house the best.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Zuni is great! We had an awesome lunch there in August.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

kyle, how is the new Cliff House?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago)

"How so? I had a pleasant enough brunch there one day."

Eh I just think of it as a trendy Marina place that got deposited in the wrong part of town. But I've never had brunch there actually. The one dinner I ate was overpriced and pretty average and that's been the running theme from the few friends I know who've eaten there.

The Metro, on the hand, does a very respectable brunch and the courtyard is very pleasant when the weather's good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago)

(I will admit that I wouldn't have been as into the Zuni lunch had it not been on someone else's dime.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago)

I like the scrambled eggs at Max's! I think about them all the time!

xpost - a dime? that's a cheap lunch, Dan.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

trendy Marina

Excuse me, but I think that's a bit condescending towards a restaurant with a Beard award that's been successful for over 20 years in an out of the way (dining-wise) part of town and which, though it may no longer be at the forefront, has always been an ornament of NorCal cookery.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago)

I once saw the girl who played the 15 year old who Ben Affleck gets busted screwing in Mallrats eating at Zuni, but that's not much of a shock since she was from Marin and went to high school with a lot of people I knew in college (they said she was a whore, but they were mostly dumbasses so take it with a grain of salt.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago)

a restaurant with a Beard

I was well on the way to typing "ONLY IN SF" until I reread that.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago)

...Would I like the marina?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago)

that girl sounds great!

I haven't been to the new Cliff House yet.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago)

adam, despite the marina sounding like a good thing (marine, boats, fisherman, crustaceans), it is not.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago)

I like eating crustaceans now!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea what a Beard award is, but I stand by my impression of Zuni as Marina-esque.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago)

actually my marina characterization is unfair stereotyping (I think I told you you would only like it if you drove a lexus SUV and enjoyed date raping), there are bits of it that are fine.

I remember this caused a bit of a stir back in 2001.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago)

I know a girl who says that Chr1st1na R1cc1 was an evil teenage slut. I posted about on ILX before.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:36 (twenty years ago)

When I was in Marin county last week, I saw a Subaru with dognose smears on the back window.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:37 (twenty years ago)

Christina Ricci has turned into Nancy Regan:

http://entertainment.msn.com/photos/gallery.aspx?photo=395329&gallery=6429

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:37 (twenty years ago)

The amount of civilization left in the Marina is depressing. There are still some nice places there though the locals are savages with more dollars than sense. The Brazen Head is still a great hideaway drinking hole and La Canasta makes a good if unorthodox burrito. Plumpjack is a great wine store, whatever amount you have to spend and Fredricksen's is as good a neighborhood hardware store as any in the City.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago)

I like eating crustaceans now!

Bad Jew!!

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Kyle gets into fights in hardware stores!

Bad Jew!!

The baddest!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh my. I thought she was getting deathly thin before, but this is getting ridiculous. I'm amazed she can even walk now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago)

the only crustaceans to be found in the marina now are in the crotch of a 25 year old blond marketing assistant.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

ZING!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

She used to look like such a sexbomb and now she looks like a haute couture refugee from a space alien rectal probe clinic.

xxpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago)

that's what she's playing in the next tim burton movie!

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago)

What about shrimp?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Let me echo the fear and loathing of the Ricci photo. Eep.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

(The sad thing is that she's still much bigger than the Olsen twins.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

They waste calories fighting each other over the last wheat thin.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

"You eat it!"
"No, you eat it!"

― I am going to hell (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Where is the best place in the city to avoid British expats?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago)

My house.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

FEAR MY NEW IRISH SOCCER HOOLIGAN NEIGHBOR!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't sound frightening.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Also do there have to be so many things named after fog?

Foglifter coffee, KFOG, Fog City Ciner...

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Diner

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago)

What is Filter Magazine?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Google tells me that it is a magazine for "good music". The current issue features Michael Stipe and Bright Eyes. Maybe Kyle would like it!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago)

it is more news about the strokes than anyone would ever care to know.

what does it have to do with SF?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago)

"Doesn't sound frightening."

Actually he supposedly very friendly. I've not met him though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:28 (twenty years ago)

There's some Ben Herman/Filter Magazine I'm bailing on this evening.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Did I forget to say 'Party'?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago)

FEAR MY NEW IRISH SOCCER HOOLIGAN NEIGHBOR!

where do you live again Alex? my wife's best friend and her irish, soccer playing boyfriend live at waller & steiner. wait, you're more western addition than lower haight, right?

anyways, he's a really, really great guy, but he comes home rather drunk and for some reason always loses his shoes sometime in the night. i bet if it's not him (it's really not), he knows the guy you're talking about. they all fucking hang out together. they all play football together and drink at the irish pubs together. it's almost perverse

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago)

is this the Macy's thing? (xpost)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago)

JaXon does he go to the An Bodhran?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago)

"they all fucking hang out together. they all play football together and drink at the irish pubs together. it's almost perverse"

I find it hard to believe they ALL know each other. There are like a dozen and a half Irish bars and every one I pass by is packed to gills with young, drunk and often pugilistic young Irish lads.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago)

An Bodhran: if it's the bar i'm thinking about, i think they have their after match pints there

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago)

NO, THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER, I SWEAR.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago)

adam LOVES the irish! especially when they drink and sing pogues songs!

OF COURSE THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha well I'll have to ask him when I see him if he knows your friend. Although I'm not sure the shoe losing thing will be a distinctive enough marker.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:36 (twenty years ago)

whenever the J1s come over (their term for college aged kids over here for a semester or something) everyone takes them out to get pissed.

how many times do you know of americans abroad who would come and take you out for drinks every time you visited their country?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:36 (twenty years ago)

Haha I can't decide whether or not I am underestimating the fraternity of the Irish drinking community or if you guys are underestimating HOW RIDICULOUSLY LARGE IT IS.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago)

They have to celebrate something.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago)

And the success of Liam Niesson films ain't gonna be it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago)

None of the Irish I know care two bits about Liam.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Which proves my point completely.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago)

I know no Irish.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I call Sarah "the little Irishman" even though she is not Irish or a man.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago)

She doesn't like it.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago)

i like to point at my cat and yell, "You're the man now, dog!" he doesn't like it either. Is this similar?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago)

yes and no

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Nobody likes it when you tell them "You're the man now, dawg!"

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Is she a big Notre Dame fan, Adam?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago)

What sometimes creeps me out is the intense regionalism people bring here. The Bodhran's sometimes thought of as a Cork bar 'cause one of the owners is from there. Some of the other Irish pubs are similar, to a point. I have an English friend, a Spurs fan (God love him) who wouldn't watch games with me at the Mad Dog 'cause he tought there were too many Gooners there.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha! And that's only LONDON regionalism!

Is she a big Notre Dame fan, Adam?

NO. But her parents are. Her stepdad bought her mom a pair of Notre Dame sweatpants last xmas only he didn't realize that they said FIGHTING IRISH across the ass.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAHA

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Nobody likes it when you tell them "You're the man now, dawg!"

I hate to say that many dogs love this expression. Of course if you call them a mangy, flea-ridden cur in the right tone of voice, they're likely to love that expression too.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago)

adam, do you ever enquire as to why her ass is fighting the Irish?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago)

DO you say it Sean Connery-style? Cuz I'm positive even dogs don't like that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Actually dogs only object to the high-frequency pulses his ill fitting dentures emit when he's talking.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago)

of course I say it sean connery style. i think my cat loves it, secretly, when i call him this. it gives him a sense of possibilities. He could be either man or dog in this little world we create.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 3 December 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I watched a dog shitting on Mission the other day. It looked back at me, right into my eyes, incensed and affronted that it had an audience.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 3 December 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

You should of shouted "You're the man now, dawg!" Sean Connery-style at em, adam!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 December 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago)

haha!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 3 December 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of SF I am in town from Dec. 26-Jan 6. anyone up for FAP action?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 December 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://100faces.org/mt/images/res6666.jpg
http://www.brumm.com/antiwar/apr05/images/78-KRON4.jpg

― Dial Rat For Terror (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe we lost all our christmas party stories!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago)

also, only in the sickest world would I consider Jan Wahl something to "do" in SF

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago)

I tried and failed to find a picture of Henry

― Dial Rat For Terror (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Henry?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that his name? The funny news guy?

― Dial Rat For Terror (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago)

henry tannenbaum

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I call my cats dawgs sometimes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.clinko.com/clinkodiscussion.asp?dnum=77511

― Dial Rat For Terror (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Goddamnit Adam I was going to use that user name.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago)

sorry

― Dial Rat For Terror (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm over it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago)

So is there ANYTHING decent going on this New Years? Everything on Flavorpill sound bleh. What's everyone else doing?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago)

After all my grand plans, I may just be doing nothing.

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago)

How was your trip?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago)

The only thing that looks neat is this DJ Ripley rave/soundsystem/party in Berkeley, but I think we're gonna just hang around the house doing nada too (as I've been kind of sick-y all week.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Surprising and predictable in equal measure.

The christmas eve church service took a particularly dark turn this year.

x-post A soundsystem rave party in Berkeley???

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago)

The christmas eve church service took a particularly dark turn this year. ????

Did the goyim turn on you?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.spaz.org/index.php?module=PostCalendar&func=view&Date=20041231&tplview=&viewtype=details&eid=17&print=

5lowershop crew is the Ripley crew, I think.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago)

OMG I really had no idea that things like that go on in West Berkeley. It looks just like your kind of thing, Alex!

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago)

My trip was fun and everything, but it is great to come home to te Bay. I love it here! I know I've arrived home when I drive past that white van up a pole next to 101. I love that van!

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago)

"OMG I really had no idea that things like that go on in West Berkeley. It looks just like your kind of thing, Alex!"

It does, but the "call for directions" thing indicates to me that a car will probably be needed (I hope someone I know goes so I can find out how obscure and difficult the directions will be--"knock twice on the counter of 7-11 while buying a package of Red Vines, if the clerk says "How Now Brown Cow" then you say "Little lambs eat ivy", he will hand you a piece of paper with directions to the next location) and it's in Berkeley and the outdoors and the weather is likely to suck.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Well, I have a car and live in Berkeley...only I am kind of penniless and exhausted and I wouldn't know how to sell Sarah on a jungle techno rave in an industrial zone...

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I get that feeling everytime I head west from Treasure Island and see the downtown skyline.

xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago)

You mean you actually cross the bridge?

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Don't tell anyone, k?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago)

$10 is a good deal for a New Year's celebration though. Go in on a bottle of champagne with someone and you're set!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago)

What's it worth to you?

Speaking of travelling to far-flung places, I am trying to sign up for a class at City College for this semester, but it would involve travelling to Balboa Park. What should I expect?

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― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago)

What kind of class? The campus is actually pretty nice. I've enjoyed the classes I've taken there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)

If I can get in (and I'm not holding my breath), I am hoping to do a film production class there. I only just registered and I have to wait a week to apply for the class, which is probably massively oversubscribed anyway.

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I have not darkened the doorway of an institution of learning for many years, and never City College. I don't know the area very well apart from watching some games at Boxer Stadium.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago)

What's that?

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago)

I think I want to see some live sports of some kind. I don't really care what. Actually, yes I do.

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Even if you can't enroll over the phone it might be worth trying to crash the class.

Get tickets for an A's game!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I will.

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Boxer Stadium:

http://www.ggwsl.com/Php/Pages/Direct.php?BOX

Parks and Rec. fottball 'pitch'. Scots friend used to play for amatuer football team took me there once years ago.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago)

You could also go see Cal play basketball (probably badly) but you might get to see Arizona or Washington or someone.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Crowds for Cal games always stop me parking and piss me off.

But here's a thought:
http://sanjose.earthquakes.mlsnet.com/MLS/sje/index.jsp

That said, I'm not going to see a football game in no half-empty stadium.

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.berenicesc.org/index.php

Don't think they start again until March, though. I love that there's a team called FC Turducken.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago)

I read that whole page and I still don't understand what it is!

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago)

february yo!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, s1ocki has a big movie showing in SF in early Feb. Save the date!

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Berenice is a football club. That's their home page.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)

What movie are you showing?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago)

What date?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

http://www.autovaud.com/recs.html

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

date not yet confirmed

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)

(and it's showing at this: http://www.sfindie.com )

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)

A-hah (I am on that mailing list)! Are you gonna be out here for the show?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that's the plan! i'm just waiting for the schedule so i can cash in my air miles points things!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Hey they are showing the Revenger's Tragedy again. Nice.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

what that?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I used to work with Peter Moody.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

The Alex Cox thing?

― Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, I am looking at last years' schedule. Nevermind.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

(that's what i suspected, as this year's isn't up yet)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

It's this great Alex Cox movie with Eddie Izzard and Christopher Eccleston based on some medieval blood revenge play. It's pretty good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

great or pretty good?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

It's Alex Cox so I would hesitate to say it's great, but it's definitely worth your while (some great acting.) It's very stylized.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm bored.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago)

They say smart people never get bored...I must be an idiot.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago)

They also say smart people never say "errr" or "umm".

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Adam will you make me an grime mp3 disc of all the Lord of the Mic and Decks CDs so I can fill my new iPod with grimy goodness. I will make an mp3 CD of the last 5 Greensleeves year end double discs in exchange (or anything else actually) (btw do you like that Capelton CD?)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago)

I've been waiting for you to ask me! You also need the Crazy Titch mix and some other things. The Capleton CD is great, that guy really likes Haile Selassie!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Do you have the Aim High Target mix or whatever that everyone is talking about?

Yes he does! If you like that one you should also get More Fire which is actually even better (although it's less of an album just an insanely long selection of most of his best 1999-2000 singles.) Still Blazin' is also really good (it's culled from the singles from 2001-2002.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I have the Aim High mix.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Did you download the /rupture Post-Election mix?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago)

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago)

So you must have just got a new iPod. How is it? Get a case for it. I dropped mine at the gym yesterday and it felt awful.

I got this for christmas:

ihttp://www.mikesjournal.com/Altec%20Lansing%20InMotion.jpg

― .adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago)

You can download it here.

I did! Jen got me a case for it too. I'm kind of paranoid about it actually. It's weird carrying around something all the time which costs hundreds of dollars. I look it up at my desk at work and everything.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago)

lock it up, ahem.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 December 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago)

can i trade mp3 cdrs with you guys too when i come to san fran?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Of course! What kind of stuff would you like?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 31 December 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago)

So did anyone do anything exciting on New Year's Eve?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Saw The Aviator and The Life Aquatic, drank beer and ate pizza, got rained on. What did you do?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

I went to my friend's b-day party at the record label she works for and guzzled champagne. It's a cool space but it was coldish and there was so much rain. It was fun but in a low-key kind of way.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Drugs. I also ate cheesesteak and had cookies and milk. On New Year's day we made black-eyed peas and okra and cornbread and watched the Rose Bowl.

What did you think of the Life Aquatic? We were gonna go see it, but then it started raining and we decided to watch a DVD instead.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Re: Cheesesteak. Where did you get it?

Re: Okra. Cut up, rolled in corn meal and fried or the heathen way?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I wish I'd done drugs and eaten cheesesteak. :(

Life Aquatic was okay...exactly what you think it is going to be like and nothing more.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Jay's on Divisadero btw Hayes and Fell.

Okra stewed with chiles, tomatos, bell pepper, onions.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I wish I knew more people I could buy drugs from, frankly. I've gotten so old.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

it seemed very slight to me compared to all his other films. It had no emotional weight at all. There were some good parts but I was disappointed.

we did drugs the night before NYE which made NYE itself very anticlimactic.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Well you're older than me and I don't know anyone like that. So take heart.

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― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Jay's on Divisadero btw Hayes and Fell.

I go by there often enough and wonder if I should...

Okra stewed with chiles, tomatos, bell pepper, onions.

So, the heathen way, eh?

Don't talk about old or adam will torment me again with his scottish, ageist, venom. Not that I'd care 'cause I went to Ton Kiang last night and ate enough dim sum to put me in a very nice little coma.

xpost

See what I told you?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

I am ageist, it's true. Ask kyle or gygax, they'll tell you.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

I wish I knew more people I could buy drugs from, frankly. I've gotten so old.

I wish I still knew people who would just give me drugs.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I wish the weather had been nicer cuz I really would have liked to have gone to the 5lowersystem thing, but given that the weather was wretched I'm glad I didn't go out at all.

"So, the heathen way, eh?"

Haha beats me, I just followed my g-f's mother's receipes. She tried to insist we make AMBROSIA too, but we were already making too much food.

I think Jay's is great (much better than the very good place on Divis and Post? Sutter?) and completely underrated. I am jealous of your Ton Kiang, as it is the best dim sum in the city (by a mile.) If the weather is good next weekend, I will bike out there and partake of it myself.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

"I wish I still knew people who would just give me drugs."

See I still know people like this, but they aren't the drugs I want for the most part.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I never knew any people who would give me drugs even when I was young.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

That's cuz you must of went to a bad college.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

must of

And you, Alex?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

I went to the coastal Chico State (aka UC Santa Cruz.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

(In other words a REALLY BAD COLLEGE haha.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Banana Slugs, right?

My friend, who went there, used to make a veritable cornucopia of drugs. I think that's how he paid his way through school.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

My youth was so lacking in drugs and sex, it's quite shameful really.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

That's how a lot of us made ends meet, yes. Apparently it's less like that now though. Much more the standard UC grist mill than ever before.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

My youth!? My youth!? Child, please. Heaven forfend, that in the company of ante-diluvian creatures such as myself, you should speak of your youth as being in the past.

x-post

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

When sunlight hit Michael White his body actually smokes a little. . .

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

It's true. I put a joint in my belly button and spark it up when the weather's nice.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

as it is the best dim sum in the city (by a mile.)

uh... we need to go to dim sum dude. Ton Kiang is totally expensive and everytime i've been there (i'm trying to be politically correct about this but fuck it...) it's chock-full of WHITE HONKEY PEOPLE.

kay cheung (aka "KC") - jackson/kearney
crowded/stinky/"just like hong kong!"

lychee garden - powell/broadway
nicer (you can move your elbows) but very authentic

good luck - clement/8th
known for long lines and take out, they have deliciously huge portions at unbelievably cheap prices

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I'll take good over cheap, any day, especially with dim sum. Good Luck's pretty good, though. I'm close to Kay Cheung, but I've never been.

― Michael 'Honkey' White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I don't remember Good Luck? Where exactly is it on Clement and how long has it been there? Kay Cheung is good, I don't think it's anywhere near as good as Ton Kiang (but Ton Kiang is definitely really expensive.) I don't think I've been to Lychee Garden either, but I'm not as concerned about authentic as I am with good and one of the reasons why Ton Kiang is filled with HONKEY WHITE PEOPLE is cuz it's good and clean and in a neighborhood where you can actually find parking.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

in a neighborhood where you can actually find parking.

!!!????

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Well sort of. It's generally easier for me to find parking in the outer Richmond than at Powell and Broadway.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Not that I drive very often so nevermind.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Ok, fair enough. Norda Beach usually means bus/cab for me, the few times i go, 'cause i have to make the rounds to say hi to everyone I haven't seen in 3 to 6 months and I'm never in any condition to drive after. That said, the new parking lot across from the cop shop on Vallejo almost always has parking and is very reasonable.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

The Tenderloin - Area was full of gaming parlors and houses of ill repute. Cops who worked the beat were bribed to look the other way - hence they could afford tenderloin, instead of the meat they'd normally buy. By the way, Maiden Lane, which is on the other side of Union Square from the Tenderloin (or in the Tenderloin if you consider it to stretch past Powell) was originally called Morton Street. The name changed to Maiden as an ironic comment on all the prostitution that took place there.

Nob Hill - Comes from Nabob a word that means "prince" in some Indian language. Refers to the wealthy who lived there.

Russian Hill - Named this because Russian sailors' graves, marked with Cyrllic crosses, were discovered there during the gold rush.

Cow Hollow - used to be a cow pasture

The Castro - named for Jose Castro, descendant of Joaquin Isidro de Castro, a member of the Spanish military company that founded the Presidio of San Francisco in 1776. Jose Castro was a Californio - one of the Californian's who fought against the American occupation during the Mexican-American War. California did not willingly accept American occupation.

Noe Valley, also named for a descendant of a soldier in that company, Jose de Jesus Noe - mayor of the village during Mexican rule and rancher who owned the valley.

The Haight - Either named for Fletcher M. Haight, a prominent SF lawyer in the 19th century and later United States district judge for the Southern district of California or Henry Huntly Haight. He was Governor of Claifornia from 1867 to 1871.

Hayes Valley - Named for Colonel Thomas Hayes, county clerk from 1853 to 1856.

Richmond - Named after Richmond Dairy, which served the city in the last half of the 1800's.

Bernal Heights - named for Juan Francisco Bernal, soldier in Spanish military company that founded the Presidio. His family owned a horse ranch up there.

Cole Valley - Named for Cornelius Cole, who was a New York lawyer, who arrived in San Francisco in late 1849, mined for a time, and than practiced law in San Francisco. He became one of the principal organizers of the Republican Party; later becoming publisher of the Sacramento Daily Times. He was elected to the House of Representatives in 1863, and to the US Senate in 1866.

Sutro Heights - Named for Adolph Sutro, the twenty first mayor of San Francisco from 1895 to 1897. Starting as a cigar dealer, he educated himself, becoming a noted mining engineer, winning fame and fortune by driving a five-mile tunnel into the Comstock Lode in Nevada. The ruins of his "Bath house and Museum can still be seen today at Lands End, but you had better hurry. The National Park Service has a plan to remove them.)

UN Plaza (Civic Center) - Named this because this is where the UN Charter was signed.

Here are some street name origins for you -

Arguello Street is named for Don Luis Antonio Arguello who was the second governor of California under Mexican rule in 1825. (Bret Harte's poem, Concepcion, was written about his daughter.)

Battery Street obtained its name because it originally led to the battery erected by Lt. Misroon at Clark's Point

Beale Street was named for Edward F. Beale who, in the Summer of 1848, was sent to Washington to officially report the California gold discovery. He served as a naval office in the Mexican War and was an Army Lieutenant in California after the Bear Flag revolt, later becoming Surveyor General of California. When Jefferson Davis was Secretary of War, Beale led an unsuccessful expedition to the California deserts, bringing camels intended to be used for transportation purposes. He is perhaps best known for his daring rescue of Col. Stephen Kearney after the Battle of San Pascual where Kearney was seriously wounded.

Bush Street is reported to have been named for J.P. Bush who reached Yerba Buena in 1845 as a cabin boy on the whaler Margaret. He assisted Jasper O'Farrell in making the first map of The City. One story is that O'Farrell named the street after him in lieu of payment for his services with the survey.

Divisadero Street was named for its position. The word divisadero derives from the verb divisar which means to see from a distance. Divisadero St. was named for it's position been the boundary between The Presidio and San Francisco. The literal translation for a place or thing that divides something is called a divisor in spanish.

Eddy Street was named for William M. Eddy who was the city surveyor. In 1847 he completed a new enlarged map of the city extending streets laid out by Jasper O'Farrell. He later became Surveyor General of California.

Ellis Street was named for Alfred J. Ellis, who reached Yerba Buena in 1847. He operated a popular saloon and boarding house on Montgomery Street. He was a member of the Auyntamiento of 1849 and the State Constitutional Convention. He also commanded a company of vigilantes.

Fell Street was named for William Fell a native of Denmark, who arrived in San Fransciso in 1849. He became a popular merchant.

Folsom Street is named for Joseph L. Folsom who established a supply depot on the bay shore in 1847. He completed this task quickly. After leaving the military he invested heavily in real estate. He owned large parts of The City when he died in 1855.

Funston Avenue was named for General Frederick Funston who was Acting Commander of the Army's Pacific Division when the earthquake struck. He led the efforts to save The City.

Geary Boulevard was named for John W. Geary who was the first postmaster of San Francisco

Gough Street was named for Charles H. Gough, a popular milkman the early 1850's, delivering milk on horseback. In 1855, when he was named to a committee to lay out streets West of Larkin, he gave his own name to one of them.

Gurrero Street was named for Francisco Gurrero, a popular Mexican landowner who held several local offices before and after American occupation.

Jones Street was named for Elbert P. Jones, a Kentucky lawyer who came to Yerba Buena in 1846. He was second proprietor of the town's first hotel, The Portsmouth House, on Clay Street, near Kearney. He alos edited Sam Brannan's newspaper, The Star, for a time.

Judah Street was named for Theodore D. Judah, who was the man who conceived the transcontinental railroad. The "Big Four" pretty much stole his idea.

Kearny Street was named for Major General Stephen Watts Kearney who was a brilliant military leader of US forces. There was some mention of Dennis Kearney who made a name for himself with the slogan "the Chinese must go", but what I read makes it clear that the honor was bestowed on the General.

Larkin Street is named for Thomas O. Larkin who held several important posts in The City in the 1840's and 50's

Leavenworth Street was named for Reverend Thaddeus M. Leavenworth, an Episcopalian minister and physician. He arrived in San Francisco in 1847 as chaplain of Stevenson's First New York Volunteer Regiment. He served as alcalde in 1848-1849.

McAllister Street was named for Hall McAlister, a leader of a group of vigilantes named "The Hounds" in the 1850's.

Montgomery Street was named for John B. Montgomery, as the commander of the U.S.S. Portsmouth he was the first to raise the Stars and Stripes over Yerba Buena on July 9, 1846.

Powell Street was named for Dr. William J. Powell, surgeon of the U.S. sloop-of-war Warren, often in San Francisco Bay. He was active in the conquest of California. He also established an early sanitarium for sailors.

Sanchez Street was named for Antonio Sanchez, a one-time commandante of the San Francisco Presido. An Indian fighter; his family once owned a 15,000 acre ranch running from today's South San Francisco to Burlingame.

Sloat Boulevard was named for Commodore John S. Sloat who commanded the U.S. Navy Squadron in Pacific waters. After the war with Mexico was declared, he took Monterey on July 7, 1848; then ordered Montgomery to take Yerba Buena two days later.

Stockton Street was named for Commodore Robert F. Stockton, who was the military leader who claimed California for the United States.

Taraval street was named for an Indian guide in the Anza expedition.

Valencia Street was named for Candelario Valencia, son of Jose Manuel Valencia, one of Anza's soldiers. Candelario owned Acalanes Rancho near Lafayette, Contra Costa County. He lived on property near Mission Dolores.

Vallejo Street was named for Mariano de Guadalupe Vallejo who was the commander of the Yerba Buena Presido, Collector of Port and Alcalde, all at one time in 1835.

Van Ness Avenue was named for James Van Ness who was the sixth mayor of San Francisco from 1855 to 1856. He was also the author of the Van Ness Ordinance which confirmed title of possessors of property West of Larkin on January 1, 1855.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Where did you find that?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Where is Sloat Boulevard?

Which SF neighborhood has the highest concentration of/proximity to movie theaters (especially reps) and video stores? This is important!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

sloat is in the sunset by ani's grandparents' house
rep movie theaters are disappearing quickly in SF

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Where was Mabuhay Gardens?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

in north beach

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Nob Hill was also called Knob Hill in early maps of SF.

The Mabuhay was on Broadway.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

AiSF: someone sent it to me sometime in the last 11 days.

mabuhay gardens was a filipino/pinoy restaurant by day/punk club on broadway at kearney. i don't believe the building exists anymore, the current address is this cheezy chinese restaurant called "the green garden" near the green tortoise hostel.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

actually, i just did a quick google and some guy has a picture of the velvet lounge as the old mabuhay locale... hmm.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Bruce Conner

GLADSTONE GALLERY
515 West 24th Street
December 16–January 29

Like a good bottle of wine or scotch, a batch of photographs stashed away for twenty or thirty years will often age nicely. Such is the case with Bruce Conner's photographs of punk subculture in San Francisco. Taken mostly at the Mabuhay Gardens club in 1978, the photos document bands like Devo, D.O.A., and Negative Trend onstage along with the fans, groupies, and miscellaneous scenesters hanging around the venue (and sometimes from the rafters). Following the true punk ethos, there is little difference between audience and musicians; everyone is dressed up (or down, depending on your perspective) and performing for Conner's camera. A completely different kind of performance is on view in Luke, a film Conner made in 1967 when his friend Dennis Hopper invited him to the set of Cool Hand Luke. Grainy, saturated color images of Paul Newman in his role as a prisoner on a chain gang are paired with Patrick Gleeson's plaintive, minimalist score, lending a sense of urgency to the plodding filmmaking process—and, like the photos, drawing on the allure of the vintage image.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

and apparently last year they tried to book punk bands in there again. don't know if that took off or what

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mistersf.com/

http://www.sfist.com/

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

further research provides the answer.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/comradecardindex/2829609/

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

"Which SF neighborhood has the highest concentration of/proximity to movie theaters (especially reps) and video stores? This is important!"

Movie theaters is the Tenderloin. Video Stores is Polk/Lower Knob Hill maybe or perhaps the Castro.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

From DJ Ripley's blog! Ooooh this looks more fun than the New Year's Eve bash and it's indoors too! Bussing around Oakland is always fun too.

ROOTS HARDCORE MASSIVE Saturday, January 8 2005

::hiphop::dancehall::grime::dnb::
::jungle::breakcore::hardcore tekno::

SATURDAY JANUARY 8
SATURDAY JANUARY 8
SATURDAY JANUARY 8
at the OAKLAND NOODLE FACTORY
$7ransom
all ages
1255 25th Ave at Union W. Oakland

=3 rooms=
lineup of dj and live artists:
----------------------------
Fury8 (renegade virus, tbi25, nyc/oakland)
Heartworm (slum.org, digital hardcore recordings, 5lowershop, sf)
el juan hubbard (techno state, highjinx, sf)
kid kameleon (Shockout, Mashit, Soundlab)
Savage Rhythm (www.savagerhythm.com)
dj ocelot (S.P.A.Z.)
Uncle Ouija (S.P.A.Z.)
Aviatrix (5lowershop, sf)
Ripley (death$ucker, Mashit, HavocSound)
dj special moments (S.P.A.Z.)
dj Trinity (Trinity Wolf Productions, Oakland)
Seoul Roots (Filthee Immigrants)
SoFat (5lowershop, sf)
Agitate (S.P.A.Z.)
------------------------------------
& in the oracle lounge:
+ambient soundsystem, special guest djs
+coffee drinks, sushi, hand ground herbal teas, and
+free juice bar

& in the skills corner:
+local artisans vending fashion and crafts

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

hand ground herbal teas!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Does that mean they smell funny?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

It means they are made of ground up hand.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

"local artisans vending fashion and crafts"

DIRTY HIPPIES SELL YOU THEIR HEMP SHIT

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

The dirty hippy element is definitely the only thing making me uncomfortable. I really want to see the DJs though so I will try to make it despite this.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

You could also go see Cal play basketball (probably badly) but you might get to see Arizona or Washington or someone.

I wouldn't say badly... they're 8-4, with solid wins against Pepperdine, Colorado and Washington State. They'll probably finish somewhere around 5th or so in the Pac-10 and wind up in the NIT.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

Hello. I'm going to be in San Francisco next weekend. I would like to go out on the 14th, or 15th, or maybe both nights. Does anyone have any good ideas for what fun things I could do? The internet isn't very helpful.

Last time I was there I had fun at the Minna St gallery and The Endup (??). I also went to Ruby Skye - that wasn't so much fun.

― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

I've been curious about the Minna St gallery.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

111 minna used to be really fun for friday night happy hours, i haven't been in about a year though.

try sfbg.com or sfweekly.com the wednesday before for club/show/event listings.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Or Flavorpill!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

The End-Up is the greatest.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Flavorpill is good and useful!!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

111 Minna, that's it. they might have been playing noize when i was there - i'm not sure because i don't think i'd have recognised it. it was certainly noisy.

x-post thanks - I've subscribed to flavorpill.

we had such a great time at The End-Up! It has a garden!

― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

I would definitely check Flavorpill, but if you want post-2am fun I can't think of a better place than the End-Up (mostly because there are no other places.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, since Zim's closed.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha well Grubsteak is still around, but it's a little more remote than Zims.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Kyle took me to Grubsteak!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

What a romantic!

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I backed our car right into another (parked) car and we had to make a very quick getaway!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

god Zim's was creepy around 3:30 AM.

Minna is cool, they've expanded it a bit it seems, since I hadn't been there in a few years until last month and it seemed much bigger.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

THAT WAS MY CAR! DAMN YOU, ADAM!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Or are you shrinking?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm still not insured.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

As someone who has paid almost $4,000 to the state of California for getting busted driving without insurance, I wholeheartedly recommend you get some ASAP.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

there was surprisingly little damage

this was when I discovered that adam really can't see anything at all at night

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

adam are you even licensed in CA?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

As someone who has paid almost $4,000 to the state of California for getting busted driving without insurance, I wholeheartedly recommend you get some ASAP.

fuuuuuuuck, I'm going to the DMV website at lunch then (I need a license first!).

xxpost it's true, I get Sarah to scope parking spaces for me, my night vision is terrible. These things don't matter in london!

no (to kyle)

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Adam, you knave, you.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

All the cool kids are doing it.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

is it time to start a new thread? this one takes forever to load now

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Kyle's computer is crap!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

I left my harp in Sam Fran's Disco and Other Stupid Punchlines

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'd NEVER been ticketed in my life and then BAM I got pulled over for not making a complete stop at a flashing red and then two weeks later I got nabbed for going 73 on 280 on the Fourth of July and voila after a few missed court appearances (and believe me they don't make it easy to appear) and a late fee or two and a suspended licence later I owed a BUNCH of money (admittedly if I'd been smarter it would have only costed me $1,500 or so, but I was young and not very smart.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

no I am just impatient

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Okay, well it is about time I got a license and some insurance. I have been here over a year and a half now.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Ahem...*assumes avuncular voice* Boys, boys, this license and registration and insurance thing is really not so hard to do, and it will save you a lot of hassle and the unecessary honor of meeting many California civil servants. Check it out.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

You have obviously never been to the Oakland DMV!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

I just walked in and turned straight back around again. It was insane.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

The Daly City DMV is much saner than the SF one. The SF is a nightmare.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

you will have to take a driving test, presumably. also, you will have to know what the white curb means.

there is a DMV in El Cerrito which is better than the Oakland one.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

The SF is a nightmare

I would agree with you were it not for the internet allowing me to make appointments and the fact that it's within walking distance of our flat.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

I have a DMV question: I moved. Do I have to go into the DMV and get a new license made with my new address, or do they have these pics on file now? the DMV website is amazingly crappy at telling me what to do.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I just made an appointment in a few weeks at the El Cerrito one.

A white curb is...a...loading zone?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

oh never mind I found it. I'm an idiot, apparently.

I honestly have no idea what a white curb is for. but don't fucking park there!

My wife insists that it is okay to park in a yellow zone after 6 and on weekends. I think this is probably hooey. But I really don't know.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

My wife insists that it is okay to park in a yellow zone after 6 and on weekends. This all depends on the yellow or white zone. There's a church on Divis whose white zone only works on Sunday mornings per esempio.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah there's one on 15th like this as well. In other words, white zones are random and unpredictable bullshit

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

No, there given to churches, hotels, what-have-you based on their needs, same as yellow zones.

When I worked in film, I sometimes had to tow cars parked in our posted zones and the number of people who hadn't noticed all the 'No Parking - Tow Away' signs always used to scare me. What did they notice while driving and parking?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

they noticed a parking space and the incredibly NON IMPORTANT film production crew

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

These were people who parked hours before we were there.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Did you meet Don Johnson, Michael?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Yes, *sob* yes I did, adam.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

"I would agree with you were it not for the internet allowing me to make appointments"

Actually I can see where this would make it much much more sane. Back in the day it was a disaster going in there without an appointment.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

It still is Alex. Last year, since I no longer have to drive for work, I let my license lapse and had to renew it for a trip me and the missus were taking and I had to renew walk-in style. It was nightmarish.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I am a good driver really. I have only got one (speeding) ticket in my 9+ years of driving. Sarah has got something like 5 or 6 in about the same amount of time, two of them in one week!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

We think that was Ohio cops coming down hard on cars with Indiana plates, though!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Make sure to wear your seatbelt on MLK in Berkeley. I got ticketed twice in one month for this horrible crime against humanity.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Haha, when they pull people over on MLK (which is like, every day) they often direct them onto my street. I'm so used to seeing cop cars outside my house it's almost second nature.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.p0ps.com/images/Cramps.jpg

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

The Cramps playing the Mab in '79.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

the mab

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

'79! Do you remember it, Michael?

When I was younger, I would tease my brother that I was "alive in punk times". It was true, but I was only a few months old.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

I went to the Mab once in '84 plaintively following some punk rock chick I fancied. I also went to The Farm with her. Wasn't really my scene and at 16 I didn't come into the city that often.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

The Farm?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Haha, when they pull people over on MLK (which is like, every day) they often direct them onto my street. I'm so used to seeing cop cars outside my house it's almost second nature.

I see it all the time too. It's usually this one bearded cop on a bike, who got me 1/2 times. I hate that bearded bastard.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

I'll look out for him.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

On Army (Cesar Chavez) under the Freeway. Hardcore.

xxpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

someone is shooting a student film or something outside my office right now. there is a pimp with lucite heels that have goldfish in them. he is brandishing a cane and saying, "you didn't pay for her, she's with me!" over and over.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

*sigh*

that should be me

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

How do you know it's not just a pimp who has cracked?

xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

because there is a DV cam and he is very camp for a pimp

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

How do you know it's not a documentary about a pimp with a speech impediment?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

that should be me

you can yell about whores whenever you like, adam. your office job should not prevent you from this simple pleasure

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

pimp with a speech impediment?

"Bbbbitch buh, buh, buh, buh-etter, buh, buh, buh, bbbring me my muh, muh, mmmoney!"

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

So when is Kyle's documentary coming out?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Am I allowed to mention that KYLE IS PLAYING A SHOW IN FEBRUARY?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Congrats, Kyle! Where are you guys playing?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

our friend's studio/warehouse on capp st. by the uptown. date pending. Probably february 16th.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Woo hoo! Warehouse party!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Bloc Party!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Eastern Bloc Party!

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

So I tried applying to those CCSF classes and the site keeps shouting back CLOSED SECTION at me. Am I to take it that they are (as I expected) full?

I'm sorry, but I'm just used to having my way most of the time and this annoys me.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I think so, adam.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Grrrrrrrrr

In a terrible mood anyway.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

You're cute when you're grumpy.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

things fill up fast at colleges, from what I remember.

Chris Willits is teaching a protools class at Vista, incidentally. I almost took it.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'll go along anyway. I really wanted to take this class.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Chris Willits is teaching a protools class at Vista, incidentally. I almost took it.

He also teaches a sound art/electronic music class evenings at SFAI which looks amazing (and far too expensive for me).

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

the vista class was $80!

he teaches at Mills as well.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

fucking rain

why doesn't Vista or Laney have a film prod. class? fucking East Bay. fucking rain. My Netflix better be waiting for me when I get home.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

you need to get a pet so you have something to kick when your day is done

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

I have GTA:San Andreas. I get to shoot cops with bazookas.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

There's still my painting class.

I hope it's not "crunchy".

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

that isn't the same as feeling soft animal flesh give way beneath your boot!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

My parents got me to send them all this info on places to stay in the East Bay...and then booked a hotel in Union Sq.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

It's going to be an interesting time.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Think of it this way, adam, you'll still have a body of water between you and them to protect you.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

but you won't!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I have my cats. They are disarmingly cute.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

My parents think cats are evil.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I picture Michael covered in cats and screaming and throwing them like the crazy lady in the Simpsons.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

So I am debating whether or not I want to go to that Oakland Noodle Factory event if the weather stays like this. It's really yucky out these days and it kind of kills my desire to go out anywhere.

BTW we need to have a FAP so Adam and I can swap CDRs. Anyone got any suggestions for times and places?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

ALex, I would probably come with you on another weekend, I'm just...I don't know, tired and moody, probably the weather as well.

Actually, let me know if you do decide to go!

The next week is pretty fine for me. If anyone is interested, I'm hoping to catch Moolade' at the Lumiere before it disappears. I do appreciate that films about ritual female circumcision are not for everyone.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

There's also some festival of new Austrian/German cinema at the Castro, but yeah, that's pretty niche as well I know.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I didn't see anything on the Castro list that looked really good, but Moolade looks really interesting. I would go to that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Okay, well most evenings next week are fine for me I think!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I haven't actually seen the lineup for The Castro yet.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Any weekday is good for me. Actually tonights even good for me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Tonight's not so good for me. How about Monday? I also have to study for my driving test next week! :)

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

IS it time we made a new SF thread? Shall I do it? Do I have to give it an "amusing" title? I'm not feeling very amusing.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Give it a grim, wintry title.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love San Francisco"

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

"How about Monday?"

Monday sounds good to me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Fuck this shit (a san francisco thread)

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

i might come to this, I have to meet a drummer I've been courting for over a year that night, so he might come along.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

courting!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Is he "the one", kyle?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Saturday my boggle club (!!!) is having a long overdue tourney. Casiotone For The Painfully Alone has moved back (yes... for the third time in as many years) from Portland and is playing a show.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scu.edu/news/images/newsom-md_md.jpg

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Do you play Go, gygax?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

My dad likes boggle.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

oh, we're on the wrong thread!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

adamrl,

your folx are good people. please introduce them to me when they come to town.

PS: gavin is back on the market. no word about joanna though.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Tactile Dome?

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Pervert. Are you actually going to be at the show on Saturday or...?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be dressed as Kyle's mother. The secret password is "tits".

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I will not acknowledge you until you have proven your knowledge of said password. Just bring it up in casual conversation, try not to be obvious.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

We'll be there (at least I hope we will be.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Is there nowhere adam won't try to get people to play with his nipples? IS NOWHERE SAFE!?

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's a sad world.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh that's not true at all. You guys make it sound like Adam's forcing his nipples on people. Not at all! He's just putting them and luckily for him SF is crawling with ready and willing pinchers and squeezers looking for some action.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

the tactile dome is fun. It'd be cool if you could take a lot of drugs and hang out in it indefinitely.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, was Adam's plan still that screening beforehand? Dinner, anyone? Etc.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to do my anti-SF thing again, but...

I'm planning on visiting for the first time some time in the next year or so. In my ignorance, it seems like most of the stuff to do is your basic eating/shopping/etc., and the big tourist stuff is pretty Brand X-ish. I assume I'd go walk in parks/along the Bay (across the Bridge?), check out a few neighborhoods (Mission, Berkeley?), and do limited museum visits (Asian, SFMOMA?, De Young?), but I'm still not convinced that there's much too exciting here for someone who's been to Seattle/Boston/LA. I can easily imagine it being a wonderful place to live, but to visit? What is unique here? Why would I take time to explore the city when I can be using it in Yosemite/Napa/Monterey?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

My sister lives there = it rules.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm probably not going to be able to make the movie. It is my wife's birthday weekend and what she says goes. Chauffeur blowjobs are out.

Gabbneb, I don't think you want anyone to give a straight answer to your query. So yeah, just skip SF and go to Monterey. There's an aquarium and couple of movie theaters there.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I would definitely check out Valencia/Mission and Haight (Lower/Upper). The museums are good, but not necessarily anything special compared to LA or NYC. One the other hand there are good movie theaters abound, tons of clubs and music venues, and plenty of nice bars with great beers on tap. Obv. like any big city the shopping and eating are world class (esp. the eating--it's hard to get an actual bad meal in SF.) If you love record and clothes shopping you will find tons of great little shops (thrifting and vintage clothes tend to be over-priced though.) There are also great walking tours put on by City Guides which are really informative both about the city's history and some of it's more interesting buildings and public spaces. I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would rather go to Monterrey, Yosemite or Napa, but that's just me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm probably not going to be able to make the movie. It is my wife's birthday weekend and what she says goes. Chauffeur blowjobs are out.

Poor soul.

Will rerevive the FAP thread accordingly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

I guess with all the food recommendations, and my limited geographic understanding, I just imagine SFans perpetually standing around on the sidwalk with chopsticks in their mouths. Maybe I'm just failing to recognize what a great food city it is.

I see gygax gave some brief mentions on that other thread. I guess I want to overcome doubts and be convinced that there is a unique vibe (that word again) here, and that I'd like it without too many conditions.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

I like you gabbneb but I think visiting anywhere with the attitude that it needs to somehow shatter your negative preconceptions is pretty futile.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

What the man said.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yosemite's jaw-droppingly beautiful, but it is not a city.

But I gotta say I don't really feel like dignifying yr question with an answer, gabbneb.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get the idea of SF as Generictown, USA, but whatever I was born and raised here so I am probably biased in your eyes. But it's really not much like any of the towns you mentioned (only Seattle shares any obvious characteristics) which aren't much like one another either now that I think about it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, my ill-informed take is that it's a mix of those three

I don't think I really have negative preconceptions (excessive risk-aversion with the unfamiliar, perhaps) despite phrasing things in terms of a challenge. I just want to have more of a sense of what to expect when deciding where to go when and why. I think it's entirely possible that SF would interest me a lot more than Chicago, but I think I have a better conception of why I want to go to Chicago, even though I probably know less about the place. Maybe it's a lack of any real understanding of the history? Sorry to make it about me here.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't it just worth it to go for the heck of it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

absolutely if my time for such things wasn't seriously restricted. oh wait, i post to ILX regularly.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

I have actually only recently begun to learn a lot of SF history and I think it's a pretty fascinating and unique story. I'm sure someone (ANY other Bay Area ILXer besides me probably) could give you some great reading to do.

But maybe try Herbert Asbury's "Barbary Coast" or Curt Gentry's "Madams of San Franciso" or the City Lights "Reclaiming San Francisco" collection.

You could even try insane pubescent Elton John fan Dante Cubed's SF History board.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Now can we talk about the Tactile Dome?

I'm prone to panic attacks and claustrophia. Will it fuck me up?

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm history... Emperor Norton, oldest Chinatown in the Americas, gay mecca, the Beats/City Lights/north beach, hippies, Fillmore Slim, first all-nude strip club in America, etc etc

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm prone to panic attacks and claustrophia. Will it fuck me up?"

uh... yes. probably. you can't see, but you def. have the "I am shut up in a strange environment" feeling.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Actually the fact that amazed me was how much territory north-west of Market used to be underwater. So it was all houseboats and whoreboats and barboats and they just...filled it all in.

Maybe you all knew that but it blew my mind.

xp-oh

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, its nuts - people just ran the boats aground, got off, and left them there. to this day they still find boat wreckage when excavating to put in foundations on new construction (admittedly this isn't very often).

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

The fact that a quarter of the city is built on basically jello is very uh. . . interesting. It's always baffled me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oh that reminds me! Another reason to talk about the exploratorium! The San Francisco in Jell-O thing is back there as part of the Reconsidered Materials exhibition that just opened. Also a styrofoam Humvee!

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm learning to say "jell-o".

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

We'll make a real American out of you yet.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if anyone has tried to eat that model of San Francisco.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb,

I'm not sure exactly where you're coming from but i'm gonna go way out on a limb from what i've read: you seem to pride yourself among a certain car culture/road tripper mentality featuring long convoluted drives that take you through backroad hamlets like Shamrock, TX... I mean, I had to spend the night there once when my car broke down when I was driving back from Mississippi but it's not exactly high on my list of destinations (apologies to the Shamrock ILX contigent).

Now San Francisco, it's not very big city. In fact, it's tiny. But there is good driving to be had, I swear! Try the 49 mile drive. You will see nearly every god damn Brand-X and Brand-XXX destination this town has to offer.

Food ranges the scale. You will not find the superior service and attention to decor that you may find in NYC, but you will find (for the $) the best ingredients you will put in your mouth anywhere in the country. I just got back from NYC and ate at about a dozen restaurants from ghetto to gourmet and the only veggies I got that had any semblance of flavor were flown in from far away.

Napa has great wine and food. Monterey has great golf and maybe the nicest aquarium in the USA. Yosemite is awesome for all reasons mentioned above. Great daytrips, but not sure if that's going to keep you entertained for more than a few days max.

What else are you looking for? Tell me, I will try my best to assist. I'm not good at cold, generic recommendations. Be specific, I don't mind. Photo essays of the gay homeless population? Feral parrot colonies? The Church of John Coltrane? Annie Sprinkle? Crotchless leather chaps? Grace Cathedral Park on a Sunday morning? The Black Muslim bakery? Where fajitagate happened?

now-infamous wakeboarding legend Steve Shasta

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

haha I was waiting for someone to bring up the parrots

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

(the only other place in the world I've seen wild parrots in a city was in Jaipur in India)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

I don't feel equipped to write about how cool SF is, but suffice to say that it is.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh dear. thanks much Steve (and others), but I don't actually drive except every other yearish when i visit my grandmother in LA, and then on only on surface roads. I'm a NY-native walking dude, pretty much, who didn't get a license until 21. it's literal when i talk about roadtrip fantasies.

My requests are generic because I don't really have specific desires, just the general one to know/feel the place and understand it's reason for being, but with the concern that it might not really be my style. Perhaps I am too much the reserved/prudish for it? but I'll note that I do like teh dead and drum circles, or at least I was into that sort of thing in high school/college despite not really being that type of dude and treating it with more distance now. and my way of experiencing has more to do with observing than socializing, so I'm more for the (self-guided?) walking tour than the club. and I like looking at pretty stuff, whether buildings or hills.

(also, I agree that most big NYC restaurants are overrated, am not one for excessive decor/service, and would probably be willing to spend bucks for teh Gary Danko-type places if they treat the vegetables right)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

San Francisco is probably the second most walkable city in America after Manhattan.

Good luck finding a drum circle unless you visit Berkeley or Mendocino.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Dashiell Hammett walking tours... mexican party bus/mural tours... Amoeba...musee mechanique...Exploratorium...Land's End is a beautiful hike...this town is ideal for walking (in my experience second only to Amsterdam, maybe)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think there's still a drum circle or two in GG Park on the weekends... (tho there are many more interesting things in GG park than that, sheesh)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

LIKE ME! BIKING! AND BUFFALO! BIKING!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

NYC restaurants are not so much overrated, they're just expensive because of the lack of resources of quality ingredients in the immediate vicinity. Good quality needs to be flown/trucked/shipped in and you pay for that transport cost, not to mention paying for great service and the exquisite or funky decor or the premium real estate. You don't have to worry about that in San Francisco. Even at Gary Danko, a New Yorker would be surprised at the wardrobe choices for some of the clientele.

But for views, San Francisco is surrounded by large bodies of water on three sides. Take a ferry to Angel Island and you'll get views from the water of San Francisco's dramatic geography.

The hippie/drum circle vibe is pretty isolated to the Upper Haight and parts of Golden Gate Park. You're gonna have to hunt for it, if that's what you're afraid of. You're much more inclined to see a diverse population than Phil Lesh and Friends (who I did see has a huge following in NYC judging by the hippies on the 6 train on Sunday evening).

If you're on foot, you can cover a lot of ground (provided you don't mind hills). You can leisurely walk from one side of the city to the other in 4 hours. Public transit, while not as efficient as NYC (but that's because the vertically-varied terrain does not make the easiest to traverse), is solid. Note: Cabs are pricy in SF. I feel like a bigshot in NYC taking cabs everywhere for under $10-15.

I realize SF is not for everyone, but this shouldn't be such an arm-twisting match.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

some friends and I have embarked on periodic day-long walks from one end of the city to the other (from various angles and over various routes) over the last couple years - easily the best way to get a feel for the city.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

(that being said I'm not sure about Steve's 4hr estimate there, but maybe he's not being overly literal about the "one side to the other")

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I biked from the Ferry Building to the Golden Gate Bridge in about 45 minutes and I am not the sveltest guy in the world.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah if you don't stop much you can walk across the city way faster than that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

Than 4hrs that is. Not than 45 minutes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

there's still a fair chunk of the city west of the GG Bridge. But if that's the kind of walk we're talking about - yeah, 4 hrs = no problem. Less, I would think.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

Also, my fat ass can walk from Pier 39 to SBC Park in about 45 minutes.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

You mean AT&T Park...

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

Whoops, I mean Mays Field.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

I walked from the Ferry Bldg. to Ocean Beach (through Golden Gate Park) in about 5 hrs, but I dawdled and smoked pot the whole way.

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

Was that during Bay To Breakers?

― svend (svend), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

No, a buddy was having his bday out at Ocean Beach... we stayed late with a bonfire 'til the fuzz busted it up.

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

Alex and I did Bay To Breakers. We almost won.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

I do sort of see what gabbneb is saying, though. Because SF is probably a better place to visit if you know folks to show you around and warn you away from the meat option in certain taquerias. I imagine it can frustrate the more-than-casual tourist, especially if they're from the East Coast. I'd also say, even as a proud Berkeleyan, that the East bBay could be even more frustrating to visit as a tourist. It's a fantastic place to live but I've known a number of visitors to come over the bridge, walk up Telegraph, maybe get BART to downtown Oakland and wonder where everything is.

Also - as for SFMOMA. I like it there (I just joined actually) and I visit pretty often because I work just around the block, but if you're coming from NYC and you're used to MOMA (the previous incarnation of which may be my favorite museum ever) you're going to be pretty disappointed.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

Last Saturday was sunny. We went to Rosamunde for some sausages, and ate them at the bar (Toronado, which has a huge selection of beers on tap) next door. The bar was packed full of people at 2:30pm. I love the atmosphere on Haight when it's sunny and warm.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Rosamunde.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Grace Cathedral Park on a Sunday morning

I assume you mean Huntingdon Park.

My friend lives right over Mark Bittner's place on Telegraph Hill.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Rosamunde vs. World Sausage grill (or whatever that place on Market in the Castro is called)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Rosamunde. World Sausage is too expensive nearly a buck and a half more per sausage. Plus Rosamunde has better buns these days.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Justin, who works at Rosamunde, told me the World Sausage people used to work at Rosamunde. WS is OK but not as good as Rosamunde.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Does Justin like Skip Spence?

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha I totally forgot about that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

It was a nice moment.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

A ggogle search for Mr. Spence led me to a site where I learned there is a place in New York state called Coxsackie.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I love skip spence! I listened to oar over the weekend.

Adam's right, for the East Bay you need a guided tour or you wouldn't find anything. The parks are great, though, better than SF. In golden gate park, just when you think you're out in the forest and away from it all, a hippy named "Buggy" will crawl out of the brush with his pants around his ankles. Also too many cars go right through the park.

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

You'll be pleased to know that I am enjoying Downtown Oakland at the moment.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Is it enjoying you?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Michael, Alexander Lee "Skip" Spence was a sometime member of Moby Grape and Jefferson Airplane who recorded a single but significant solo record "Oar", much beloved of music nerds and sausage merchants. I believe he lived in Santa Cruz for a while before he died.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, adam.

My google search brought up Sundazed Music (located in the New York town with the suggestive name) who sell 'Oar'. I listened to some excerpts there. Sounds cool.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oar only really works with headphones. You can't hear it otherwise.

Adam, while you're in Oakland, please go buy Danish groceries in support of free speech: http://www.nordichouse.com/

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Nordichouse! Wow! That looks awesome! I am a big fan of Scandinavian products and ideas (in case you didn't know). I will try and go as soon as possible.

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

please note that after the revolution comes, Danishes will be called Roses of the Prophet Mohammed

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm of Scandinavian origin (my grandparents were from Sweden) so I thought I'd go into Nordic House to be supportive: "Oh, how quaint, a scandinavian grocery in the middle of the ghetto.. they probably haven't had a customer in years, I'll go in to be nice... " etc. And when I finally went in it was PACKED with people speaking all the languages, a big deli with people lined up buying weird whitefish and shit. I was shocked and bought some cloudberry preserves and one of those little spinning candle things with the angels that ring the bells as they pass.

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.angelchimes.com/images/angelchimes1_blk.JPG

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

You really need to check the date of the products at that place, especially the refrigerated items. I went there before Christmas and it was a nightmare. I heard the guy that owns it say he had 8 people working that day in the back. I think the people that started Neldam's years ago used to own that as well.

― svend (svend), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

They don't have brown cheese! When I stayed with my friend in Bergen, we would eat that every day for breakfast. I won Trivial Pursuit in Norwegian!

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nordichouse.com/images/Products/Books/Karius.jpg

― Too Gay for America (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

If you look at alot of the old sidewalks in the East Bay, they were made made by Norsk concrete companies, i.e. "Holmqvist 1913" or "Lindstrom 1929" but I don't know what happened to everybody. There's a Sons of Norway in East Oakland but I don't know if it's used much.

There is alot German history in the East Bay, though: the creepy old shut-down Altenheim old folks home in the Dimond disrict, and I know the Nature Friends (Naturfreunde) still have a beer hall/clubhouse up by Joaquin Miller Park, like they one they have in the Marin headlands.

The Mission District in SF once had a thriving Maltese population of over 5,000 souls but where they've gone, nobody knows.

― andy --, Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

a good meat and potatoes place to eat..Valencia Pizza and Pasta. Free killer garlic toast, nice mashed potatoes, the catfish is great..and most importantly it's cheap (also the vegetables are *not* overcooked, perfect)

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

I eat there breakfast fairly often. the wife is very fond of the chicken pesto sandwich.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

im going to be in the bay area for the first time. march 1-4. except i think in mountain view/palo alto, or something for some conference thing. is that far from SF? will there be lots of cute dorky tech dudes for me to hit on? i hope so

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

no and yes.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

some of them might even still have money.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

awesome. i cant wait

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

You seem like more of a Cantona kind of guy to me, adam. ;-)

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Don't speak that name in vain.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

I am but out of respect I can but worship merely the earthly and not the truly celestial.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

You mean the traitorous French name that left Leeds in November '92?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Same facial hair, n'est-ce pas?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

That's no way to speak about destiny.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I saw him play, quite a few times. I still think about it sometimes.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

What's it called when you fork over £25 m for Ferdinand?

xpost

In the privacy of your own home, I hope.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

(I love how I now feel compelled to derail every SF thread into meandering banter about football.)

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

It does make me wonder about the weekend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't pay for Ferdinand, Michael. The plc did. They were stupid, as plcs often are.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Also a styrofoam Humvee!

i used to walk by this every morning on the way to the work shuttle. i think they moved it like a week or two ago. it's pretty amazing.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

actually, the jello model of sf and several other pieces were only on hand for the opening reception of reconsidered materials.

you may be pleased to hear that ms. hickok will be doing another jello piece for the same show at the exploratorium on april 1.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

do you guys know if they're still doing reich's Pendulum Pieces at the exploratorium?

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

Where would you fellows recommend for a *nice* weekend breakfast (not brunch). I was looking at Mama's On Washington Sq?

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

My current favorite breakfast place, never crowded (but keep in mind I like to drink at breakfast):

The Liberties Bar & Restaurant
998 Guerrero Street
San Francisco, CA 94110 View Map
(415) 282-6789

Hours:
· Mon-Fri 11am-2am
· Sat-Sun 10am-2am

Friendly corner pub serves up pints and pub grub.
Editorial Rating: Not Rated

In Short
A beautiful mahogany bar and dark wood accents set a warm and comfortable tone. The menu is a mix of pub grub, Gaelic specialties like boxty (a hearty potato crepe) and American faves with an Irish spin, such as the BLT made with Irish bacon on soda bread. Neighborhood locals make up the bulk of the crowd; weekends see an influx of Mission bar-hoppers. Affable servers are quick with recommendations and fast on their feet.

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Mama's is gReat!!! i was just there this weekend. get the banana bread french toast. or if you're daring, the monte cristo (you might die afterwards though)

i don't know the difference between breakfast and brunch.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

neither do i

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Neither do most restaurants. And on the weekend all breakfast places pretty much do brunch anyway.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

breakfast to me is cereal. eaten before work.

brunch is when you go out to eat. i never wake up before 11 on weekends.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway some BRUNCH recommendations:

Dotties (LONG long wait though)
Memphis Minnies
Boogaloos
Suppenkuche

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

breakfast to me is cereal. eaten before work.

brunch is when you go out to eat. i never wake up before 11 on weekends.

This is the only time you've ever seemed even vaguely close to British!

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

well done

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

only place i've been to w/no wait is Town's End, on, get this, Townsend. down at the embarcadero. i go there kinda regularly

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know Suppenkuche did brunch... I ate there for supper awhile back and had VENISON MEDALLIONS. I just ordered it because it sounded badass.

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

btw I ate at Maverick on 17th & Mission on Tues and found it very, very good. I had game hen; I've been in a big game mode the last couple months. A good, good restaurant, very small and dark 70's wood everywhere.

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

Suppenkuche only does brunch on Sundays, I think. It's quite good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'll make a note of that, andy. I want to go there.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

i went to Maverick a few weeks ago. i have no idea what i ate (i guess a bad sign?), but i remember everyone enjoying it (a good sign?). but they did this totally retarded thing w/the wine where she would pour a small bit into each of the glasses to rinse it out and then pour out that wine. BITCH@! I COULDA DRANK THAT!

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

The last time I went to brunch at Suppenküche, I left in a such state of torpor that I hesitate to go back. It was good but so heavy.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

That's called service. xpost

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite breakfast place is Quetzal on Polk. It's listed as an "internet cafe" but the food and coffee there is outstanding.

― The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

My sister lives near there! Is that the fancy schmancy one that looks kind of like a Parisian cafe? The name is making me think no.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

It looks like a sterile internet cafe with orange walls and weird woolen hoodies hanging from the wall (at least that's how I remember it.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

if you smoke....tobacco, go to the cafe flore on Market /Noe, free wifi until like 6pm. good food, great pastries, bar, if you get coffee get a depth charge...they switched to 'peerless' coffee a few mos back...that's a sucky brand, IMO

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Heh I'm not a huge fan of Cafe Flore since the ownership change.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

oh, does that explain the new "dj" scene there on weekend nights?
i just like that narrow area facing market st where you can smoke and it's too tight for a stroller to fit in...(damn dotcom blowouts and their broods)

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

That's what you get for hanging out in the Castro. ;)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

nice

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

I just went to Flore not that long ago for lunch and was underwhelmed.

Right down Market on the northern side of the street is a taqueria where I sometimes get fish tacos.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Cactus Fresh? I really like that place actually. Good salsa and very nice grilled chicken.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

OK get a sticky bun then we'll talk

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think so, Alex. I don't like how a lot of fish tacos here in El Norte are salmon.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

castro, sticky buns, fish tacos. where have we come to

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well we covered the sausages yesterday....

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE LAVENDER MENACE!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

salmon tacos?! barfalicious. its gotta be snapper or similar.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

course we do have Rubio's up here now, which is pretty decent fish tacos (for a chain)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Totally, bro.

xpost

Haven't been to Rubio's. What's the closest to the Lower Haight?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I had a fish taco. I liked it.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

I also finally had a tamale, but it was from Trader Joe's. It seemed like an object made for anything BUT eating but I put it in my mouth anyway.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Fish tacos are either great or terrible. There seems to be no middle ground AFAICT.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

"I also finally had a tamale, but it was from Trader Joe's."

You didn't have a tamale then.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Tamales are one of my favorite foods. Possibly the Western Hemisphere's greatest contribution to cuisine, next to chili.

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

.25 ( or 6mins on a parking meter)question: what's the difference between fish tacos with fresh spicy salsa and cevieche (SP?)?

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard the tamales from "the tamale lady" at nights at Zeitgeist are good.

By the way, is anybody else kind of addicted to Yelp?

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Since I am pretty sure the western hemisphere invested bbq I find your hypothesis faulty.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

I read yelp habitually but I find a lot of the people on there incredibly shallow and stupid.

I don't mean to be nasty, but it's true.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

"By the way, is anybody else kind of addicted to Yelp?"

No.

".25 ( or 6mins on a parking meter)question: what's the difference between fish tacos with fresh spicy salsa and cevieche (SP?)?"

Ceviche is usually raw and most fish tacos are fried.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

"I've heard the tamales from "the tamale lady" at nights at Zeitgeist are good."

They are. But when I am at Zeitgeist and I want to eat I usually get a burger.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

just reading that makes me want a zeitgeist burger. they are good.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

I know there are some East Bay folks here - did you guys see that Kirala is moving to North Berkeley? (or are they opening a second Kirala?). Swank new building going up on Shattuck.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Where is Kyle to link to a Chronicle article like he usually does?

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

The tamale lady has saved me many times and not only at Zeitgeist.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Do tell.

― Codename: Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of Zeitgeist...does anyone else find everything on valencia from 14th to 22nd st. completely annoying??? sometimes i work valet at Andalu up on Guerrero...i want to strangle every third person :))))) (my name is Bruno, Bruno Anthony)

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

the only Rubio's in SF: http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&lr=&q=rubio%27s&near=San+Francisco,+CA&sa=X&oi=locald&radius=0.0&latlng=37775000,-122418333,4984363932624725377

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

(location's awful, I know)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

I would Scholesy but it involves such convoluted tales of daring-do with attendant buckling of swash and so much liquor was involved, it doesn't always come out coherently.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Did you...make love to her?

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

I hear she's pretty irresistible.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Also, isn't it "derring-do"? It's unlike you to make an error like that.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

"anyone else find everything on valencia from 14th to 22nd st. completely annoying???"

The Bombay Grocery/Ice Creamery KICKS ASS. I would die without that place. Otherwise I never eat anywhere around there. (tho Lost Weekend is also tops in my book.)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Bruno, where is Andalu? Is it next to the old Alma space?

Oh ginger haired one, only in the sense of bestowing upon her outrageous compliments.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

"The expression logically should be “feats of daring-do” because that’s just what it means: deeds of extreme daring. But through a chain of misunderstandings explained in the Oxford English Dictionary, the standard form evolved with the unusual spelling “derring-do,” and “daring-do” is an error."

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

"speaking of Zeitgeist...does anyone else find everything on valencia from 14th to 22nd st. completely annoying??? sometimes i work valet at Andalu up on Guerrero...i want to strangle every third person :))))) (my name is Bruno, Bruno Anthony)"

Haha no actually I rather like that area. But there are a lot of jerks around there. Esp. at Andalus heh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was derring-do as well, (even tho that doesn't make any sense, what is "derring"?)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

As to my spelling error, I sit corrected.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ceviche is cold, but cooked and is served usually on a flat crispy corn tortilla no? I like how the Tamale lady shows up at ATA during shows. She's the one with the blue cooler I think...

Also we should warn our visiting friends...take Muni, trying to park here is insane..believe me, I know.

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ceviche isn't cooked, is it? I thought it was cured in the acid of the limes.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

"I thought it was derring-do as well, (even tho that doesn't make any sense, what is "derring"?)"

A mispelling of daring hah.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

this weather sucks.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think I froze my face off - what the fuck is this, the midwest?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Is it raining right now?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

I still refuse to wear a jacket.

xp
it was ten minutes ago

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Who's in charge of weather around here, anyway?

Coming soon to my neighborhood.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Don't worry, Alex, I know you've got a long walk home and everything but I think you'll be okay. ;)

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Actually I was going to pick up my bike from up on Stanyan although if it is pouring I'll probably put it off.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

appropos of nothing, can I link to this great site that kyle found?

http://www.northoaklandpolice.com/

It details all of the nefarious activities of North Oakland in quite a witty yet succinct manner. Some examples:

10X 1037 63rd St - Drug dealer lives with mom/sells in the block

10X 865 59th St - Young MBs are dealing drugs while acting like they are repairing cars

11X 6400 Shattuck AVe - Old fat guy selling drugs Alcatraz & Shattuck

11X 6400 Shattuck Ave - MB Fat dealing drugs & weapons at 2am

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

MB is male black? Why is it reversed from the why you'd say (also the way it appears in the personals haha)?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

haha!

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha:

13Y 11076 Broadway Terrace. Mark Askins is growing marijuana

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Guffaw:

12X 45 & Tel (McDonalds) - Tony dealing drugs from 1-4 pm - Tony called and said he is not dealing drugs, any more info?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

I know!

Isn't it great?

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's like The Wire!

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

10Y 880 61st St - Andre and Rodney dealing drugs?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah like the Wire only stupid haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha. I'm glad Tony reads the website!!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

All this is pretty close to my house. I wish Mark Askins lived on my block.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Is there an RSS feed for this site?

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

you should stop by and ask Mark if he can spare a dimebag.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

"Hey criminals if you're not does not appear on these pages please contact us and let us know that you are dealing. Also if your name does appear please DO NOT change your habits. Keep dealing in exactly the same fashion as before. Changing your profile will not prevent you from getting caught, but it will make our lives more difficult and my wife likes me to get home early so gimme a break, okay?"

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

MW talking smack on the internet 3pm

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

AL listens to real media feeds of soccer matches on company. AL emailed to say that he only does that on lunch breaks, confirm?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

That second part should be in bold.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

Dion Overstreet is a great name. Apparently he is an actor haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are killin me - I'm gonna get some suspicious looks from my coworkers if I keep chortling to myself like this...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

what is SF weather like anyway? supposedly the sun shines like 300 days a year, but then people say it's foggy all the time. are both true?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

It rains blood, toads, fire and brimstone alot, actually.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

foggy in the mornings and evenings (varies from neighborhood to neighborhood), usually temperate and clear during the day.

But right now its fucking freezing and occasionally drizzling, of course.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

"what is SF weather like anyway? supposedly the sun shines like 300 days a year, but then people say it's foggy all the time. are both true?"

It depends neighborhood to neighborhood actually. The temperature is pretty constant between high 50s to low 70s though (a little lower on the western part of the city and a little higher around the mission.) Occassionally it gets really foggy and unpleasant during the summer which is where the bad "fog" rep comes from.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

This is my favorite kind of SF weather. It puts hair on your chest!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

It's currently around mid-40s and that's about as bad as it gets.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

That would explain a lot.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

I also finally had a tamale, but it was from Trader Joe's. It seemed like an object made for anything BUT eating but I put it in my mouth anyway.

you have to take the corn husk off

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

that's not what shasta says.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

are you mad at me for posting your funny link?

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

nice

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

there's also this:

"A citizen's arrest was made of actor Delroy Lindo after he got into an argument over a parking spot at the Whole Foods market in Berkeley on the Fourth of July. The Whole Foods lot has some of the most sought-after spots in the East Bay. Lindo and another driver -- the actor in a Lincoln SUV, the competitor in a Honda Civic -- had been waiting for the same car to pull out. The other driver told police that the actor put his hands around his neck after he scooted into the spot in his much smaller car.

The issuance of the citation for misdemeanor battery is technically an arrest, but that means Lindo will have to appear in court on Aug. 1, not that he was hauled away. The driver of the other car told TIC that the whole fracas took an hour and a half, and he never did get to do his shopping. Lindo went back into the store after the citation was issued, said the other driver, who feared it might be dangerous for him to shop at the same time. "What if we'd met over the tofu?" "

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm mad at you for so many things I can't keep track any more

andalu sucks, btw

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Mark Askins is probably mad that 50 people are going to show up at his house now

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

tuesday night it dropped to like 38 deg. my f**ckn valet boss told me to take off my beanie, "it doesn't look proper". i'm still fighting off that ice cube skull i had by the time i got home...in this weather bow to all valets...we are the champions!

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

"Lindo went back into the store after the citation was issued, said the other driver, who feared it might be dangerous for him to shop at the same time. "What if we'd met over the tofu?""

This is priceless!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

didn't you see Delroy Lindo at the YMCA or Reel or something?

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah saw Delroy Lindo in the pool at the Y.

I think Delroy Lindo should have his own pool.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Adam saw him at Whole Foods! He has neck marks to prove it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://summerloversunlimited.com/images/sfflyerjefro.jpg

go see my mans and em k?

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Because he's rich that is, I'm not for segregating Lindo or anything like that.

xxp

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Delroy's chlorine soaked dead skin cells might be in the SAME pool you and your wife swim in. That's so glamorous.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't swim in the pool but if he's been in the showers there's a chance I might have picked a bit of him up. A good chance, actually.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Esp. give your habit of rolling on the floor of the shower.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Do you root around the drains or something, adam?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Truth be told, I'm in and out of there as fast as possible. My tolerance for hairy man ass before 9am is pretty low.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

After that it's pretty much a free for all.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

How come I've never seen Delroy Lindo at that Whole Foods, I shop there all the time.

Also, it is unbelievable how rude people get in that parking lot. And then you walk in the store and everyone is like "HI FRIEND!" So weird.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

My personal least favorite is the one in Mill Valley. They may have money but they generally have the manners of small children.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

I go to the Berkeley Bowl. It's pretty much a colonial war trying to get a space there. I feel for Lindo. Unless he was in the wrong, in which case fuck him and his body of work.

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

I go to the Berkeley Bowl. It's pretty much a colonial war trying to get a space there.

Well sure, but people are assholes inside the store too. That's why the WF disparity is so jarring.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

shop rainbow...support the GLBT MENACE! (besides cuter girls ...i least i think they're girls)

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I miss the organic farmers that delivered my veggies to me for the last 3 years. fuck this shopping shit! Rainbow's okay, but too pricey for me.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

"Since I am pretty sure the western hemisphere invested bbq I find your hypothesis faulty..."

The descendants of Ghengis Khan will find you and behead you in front of your loved ones.

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Since we're in the West, does anyone have any cool Nevada ideas besides Las Vegas (ugh), Reno, or Tahoe? I want to tour Nevada but I'm not interested in gaming really. I've been to Wendover once but it was 3 in the morning, and the casino had a black band doing "Teen Spirit."

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Nevada's natural scenery is pretty wonderful, but city-wise I can't help ya.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

there's a buncha hippies that show up there in the late summer i heard

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

southern nevada is alright, a lot of it is fucking ugly, I think. brown hills spotted with green shrub zits.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.internettime.com/images/goldfield1.jpg
ihttp://www.milly.org/hkingman/HistoricNevada/goldfield.jpg

I might go to Goldfield Nevada like Spencer Tracy and cause all the locals to worry and speculate on my intentions. In May.

― andy --, Friday, 17 February 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Are you missing an arm?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 18 February 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

tamale size is dwindling and the price keeps going up.

$3 each now and it takes THREE tamales to be satisfied.
and i'm merely a small woman, not a brutish pig of a man.

screw you, tamale lady! screw you and your enterprise!

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Saturday, 18 February 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hey I'm Steve Shasta

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 18 February 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

does your voice sound sweet cuz it hasta?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 18 February 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

tamale size is dwindling and the price keeps going up.

Is this true? Sigh. It reminds me that I haven't gone out to drink in the Mission in months.

I still need to scare up a copy of that tamale lady documentary.

Hey when did we get all these SF ILXors?

― mikef (mfleming), Saturday, 18 February 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

We are multitudes.

― Paul in Santa Cruz (close enough) (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 18 February 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

tonight the tamale lady was at the toronado.

a girl went up to her holding out a dollar, and the tamale lady yelled THREE DOLLARS and the girl looked baffled. she looked at the tamale, then her change purse, then the tamale, then her change purse, she finally caved and had to dig for more money. then the tamale lady gave a total half assed squirt of hot sauce and walked away. no hospitality, no smile, no paper towel either.

i, sitting at the neighboring table said "SCREW YOU TAMALE LADY THERES $2 HUGE PIZZA SLICES AND $5 HUGE SANDWICHES NEXT DOOR"

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Saturday, 18 February 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

So last night went to Cha Cha Cha in the Mission, had great sangria and tapas with a slew of friends and much merriment resulted. I gather today we're doing a run over the Farmer's Market, pizza for lunch, Amoeba and etc. etc., and then there's the show tonight. Yay Carta!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 February 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

we managed to play four songs correctly in practice last night. we're going to fake the other four.

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 18 February 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jam. Jamonit. I said...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

This weekend's East Bay visit has been great so far--Amoeba, Moe's, some art, some music, even one of those tortilla-lined handheld casseroles that the locals mysteriously call "burritos". But the best part was listening to Bay Areans complain about the weather yesterday.

Berkeley dude, zipping his fleece up against the sub-50-degree wind: Dude, this weather is fuckin' brutal!
Berkeley chick, scuffing her Ugg boot: I know! Did you see that? I just almost slipped!

― Stephen X (Stephen X), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

There are a lot of sissies around these parts, it's true.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Fortunately, there's always a naan joint nearby to recover from the frostbite.

― Stephen X (Stephen X), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

It IS cold!

― Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

45' is hardly that cold. C'mon.

― M. White (Miguelito), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

What's cold, is me 'sincerely' commiserating with adam about today's loss.

― M. White (Miguelito), Saturday, 18 February 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

You cruel evil man. (Will call you later this afternoon re: tomorrow.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 February 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

So here I am in SF. I don't know, must have got drunk or something.

I had EXCELLENT sushi last night, I can't remember the place but they had huge hotplates upon which they cooked the food right there in front of you, somewhere in Japantown.

I also ended up in some bar, that I believe ended in 19 (my memory is hazy). I enjoyed this bar immensely (they had Tom Waits on the jukebox, what's not to love?), and would like to know recommendations for other bars in SF. And shows! Are there any good shows on this week, for those of you with your finger more on the pulse than me?

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

(Sorry for the non-coherency, I am still somewhat jet-lagged)

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Mission Creek Music Festival is going on this week so there's tons of great shows (see: http://www.mcmf.org) - I'm going to see Nudity at the Hemlock on Friday, then Citay/Persephone's Bees/Winter Flowers at the Mezzanine on Saturday, and then my band is doing a show on Sunday at the Knockout with the Meek, Mtn Home, and Shag Tapestry. lots of other stuff going on...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

also DJ Bus Station John's nights at the Transfer and Aunt Charlie's are gettin fairly legendary around these parts...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think you meant Lucky 13 - they have a great jukebox.

― schwantz (schwantz), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

compass - what neighborhood are you staying in? do you have a car?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

i'm gonna go see Excepter at Hemlock on saturday

― jäxøñ (jaxon), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have a car, but I'm staying in the Miyako hotel (Post Street). I'm leaving Saturday, unfortunately, so no checking out of Shakey's band, damn.

It may well have been Lucky 13. It was dark. And long. And had a sex quiz machine, which I am on the scoreboard for. Hurrah!

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, And now it's looking awfully grim outside...

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

Walk down to the Fillmore bars and have a laugh at the people there, it is super grim. :0

― svend (svend), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

which part of fillmore are you talking about? it runs from the (hippy) haight, through the (black) fillmore district to the (yuppy) area near japantown all the way down to the marina.

― jäxøñ (jaxon), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! So now I have left my mark in several places in SF!

I have just returned from Cafe Royale (?) on Post, where I have contributed my tribute to ILX to the postcards on the walls. Check out the back left corner, at the top, as you go in!

― tissp!: live in san francisco (tissp), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Pt Reyes - which is the best part (and why)?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

The climb down to the lighthouse is great, but the drive out on Francis Drake Rd. is painfully slow. I heard they have a shuttle bus now. If I was in the area now, I'd go check out Philip K. Dick's house in Point Reyes Station and then head up the highway to Mendocino.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the lighthouse is cool but a pain to get to. I didn't know you could actually get to PKDs house but if so, I'd check that out for sure - that's just me though.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

on the road out to the light house, a few miles after you've left the town strip and basically descended down into the valley, you'll find Mount Vision Road. the top of that hill looks over the entire valley and ocean. you want to be at the top of that hill for sunset.

http://www.west-marin.com/area/maps/images/zone5.gif

Limatour Road to the Sky Trail / Laguna Trail loop is pretty key too. Moderately strenuous 4-5 hour hike, though there are shorter loops.

There's almost no such thing as wasted time out there, though, it's all pretty great.

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

view from Mount Vision taken on my last trip:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/Sprad/DSC_4447.jpg

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

one last thing: do not take Francis Drake Rd to Point Reyes. go a few extra miles up 101 and take Lucas Valley Road. It's far less populated and the views are better.

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

hah - my boss lives on Lucas Valley Rd

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

Milton's right about Lucas Valley Rd. It's by far more beautiful/interesting.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

thanks. what about the elk preserve? abbott's lagoon?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 January 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

never been to that lagoon. the elks are great. tomales point is more plainland, boring when overcast, amazing when the sun's out (which is rare). maybe more of a day 2 thing, but that's relative.

― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 5 January 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

i actually thought it might look cooler socked in?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 January 2007 04:40 (eighteen years ago)

stop planning now, anything you do out there will be fine

― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 5 January 2007 07:21 (eighteen years ago)

thanks.

to Yosemite - would leaving from Sonoma rather than SF add any serious amount of time? is AM Eastbound traffic on the Bay Bridge a problem?

how u+k is Mt Diablo?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 6 January 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

same question re Mt Tam

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

Mt. Tam is beautiful. You could do it on the way back from Pt. Reyes. I've never been to Mt. Diablo but, in local Miwok tradition, they're related somehow. IIrc, Tam is some kind of maiden and Diablo is her suitor or something.

Eastbound traffic usually isn't a morning problem on the Bay Bridge. Check 511.org, though. Leaving from Sonoma will add some time to your trip, if you mean, in comparison to leaving from SF, probably an hour at least. Take 780 to 680 to 580 and then proceed normally.

― M. White (Miguelito), Sunday, 7 January 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

Pt Reyes: Don't miss grabbing a bite at the Drakes Beach Cafe. Best food I've had in a national park. Sunday is BBQ oyster day I believe.

Also in Pt Reyes Nat Park but reachable only from Bolinas: Alamere Falls, which falls onto a beach. May not be accessible since last year's storms.

Mt Tam:
Speaking of calls, hike out to Carson Falls.

― mikef (mfleming), Sunday, 7 January 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

Pt Reyes: Don't miss grabbing a bite at the Drakes Beach Cafe

better than the Station House Cafe?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 8 January 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Food. Lots of it. I plan one (1) dinner at panisse cafe. And one (1) (light?) lunch at zuni (would I need to reserve for one at the bar? which I'd rather not do?). And a Tuesday morning brunch-ish visit to the farmer's market/boulette's. And probably one (1) dinner at the bar at delfina, more for ideology than pasta/pork.

That leaves me two (2) late-ish (and light-ish?) lunches, and one (1) dinner, all of which I plan to play by ear/walk into and all of which will probably be solo (so likely at the bar at your more popular places). Can you help me steer me in the right direction(s)?

Keep in mind that I'll be on vacation and may be dressed pretty casually though I'd be willing to look nice if it were really worth it. (Also, as far as "contemporary"/creative places go, I'll be visiting an unnamed one of those outside the city at another time.) And that I'm interested in part in stuff I can't get at home (which includes views/atmosphere as well as food). Most of the places I'm looking at are along the water or around North Beach.

For lunch, I'm thinking about the following:
Fog City Diner
Greens To Go
In-n-Out (which I hope to eat at in LA beforehand, but it may not happen)
Mario's (or Caffe Trieste? Zoetrope?)
Pete's cafe at the Art Institute
Scoma's
Slanted Door (outside)
Swan Oyster Depot (where i'd probably eat crab)
Tadich
Taylor's (for the more adventurous stuff?)
(I would add Hog Island or Yank Sing if I were an oyster or chinese partisan but I'm not)

And for dinner I'd consider:
A16
Beach Chalet or (less conveniently?) Sutro's
Boulevard (at the bar)
Gary Danko (at the bar)
Greens/Greens to Go
My First San Francisco Burrito (possibly at El Balazo rather than the mission for convenience's sake; not that I'd want to eat a Jerry burrito or anything; alternatively, delfina v burrito?)
Slanted Door (inside?)

Also, is there a (new?) nice place near the wharf that I'm forgetting?

― gabbneb, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

Fog City Diner - It's good but not quite worth missing something else.
Greens To Go - No idea.
In-n-Out (which I hope to eat at in LA beforehand, but it may not happen) - Again, not worth missing something better.
Mario's (or Caffe Trieste? Zoetrope?) - Zoetrope is good, Trieste is for a coffe, only, don't bother with the food. Mario's is fun but hardly worth passing something else over for.
Pete's cafe at the Art Institute - No idea. I've been but ages ago.
Scoma's - Meh.
Slanted Door (outside) - Or in, depending on our weather. Expensive but quite tasty.
Swan Oyster Depot (where i'd probably eat crab) - Excellent but it can be hard to get into.
Tadich - Very San Francsican. Try the sand dabs.
Taylor's (for the more adventurous stuff?) - ??
(I would add Hog Island or Yank Sing if I were an oyster or chinese partisan but I'm not) - More's the pity. Hog island is good for a glass of wine, some oysters and watching the commuters rush to the ferries as, also, is Slanted Door. Yank Sing is great and it's a pity to pass up on Chinese food in SF 'cause we do it well.

A16 - Haven't been.
Beach Chalet or (less conveniently?) Sutro's - The chalet is touristy, mediocre and not worth it at night when you won't see a thing. It's also far away. Sutro is OK or even the Bistro for just a drink/snack but it's a daytime place. You'll see precious little at night.
Boulevard (at the bar) - It's been ages but it's quite good.
Gary Danko (at the bar) - I've heard great things, natually, but I've never been.
Greens/Greens to Go - No idea.
My First San Francisco Burrito (possibly at El Balazo rather than the mission for convenience's sake; not that I'd want to eat a Jerry burrito or anything; alternatively, delfina v burrito?) - I assume you mean the El Balazo behind the Old Mint. It's OK but the Mission places, everyone has their favorites and I'm not going to quibble, are all generally better than this. Delfina vs. burrito is an intersting question since they're both in the Mission. Ever since they opened Foreign Cinema, I tend to go there in the Mission rather than Delfina, but you really should find a way to get a burrito in SF a some point.
Slanted Door (inside?) - See above.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Osteria Del Forno on Columbus in North Beach used to be real good for lunch. Italian. very small and casual.
Da Flora is a really nice (casual) Italian place for dinner, also on Columbus. Again, I've not been there in a few years, but it was very good north Italian (Venetian) food.

― pauls00, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

Scoma's and Tadich are among my top choices for out of town visitors, esp. first time foodies.

Zuni's bar is first come/first served. I highly recommend their caesar salad and oysters (or not) and their bloody mary is tops. gabbneb, have you had fresh Pacific oysters before? i wouldn't write them off, they're a zillion times better than Atlantic imo.

I'd recommend skipping Boulevard and go with Masa's or The Dining Room.

For fear of disappointment, I'm gonna call Slanted Door out as a pretty overrated tourist trap, you can get much better upscale Viet at Bong Su. (although the HK Milk Tea at Slanted Door may be my favorite in the city).

Burritos... I think there was a SF Burrito wars thread somewhere. I'm pretty high on Farolito. Jaxon's a huge La Tacqueria fan. I think M.White and AlexInSF have their favorites too. There are way too many tacquerias to keep up on.

The Delfina cafe (pizzeria?) next door has very solid apps.

Beach Chalet's food is disgusting. Just get a drink at the bar.

SF is very casual... there are very few places with jacket required.

A place with an underrated view is McCormick & Kuleto's, which is a chain (albeit a decent one) but they have really nice wharf views.

Not sure of anything new around the wharf, maybe Schwatnzy would know.

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

I politely disagree with MWhite about In-N-Out... it's one of my favorite restaurants.

If my opinion isn't worth anything, I've seen Danko there grabbing lunch before work and Thomas Keller is a huge fan of In-N-Out.

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

n/a and Sarah honeymoon in San Francisco June 4-10ish y'all

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

not to mention it's the only fast food restaurant cast in a positive light in the pages of Fast Food Nation.

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

I will be in NYC/Miami that week.

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

A16 is great, but you WILL need a reservation. Dinner or Lunch at Canteen is what you need to add to that list! My wife and I have spent a lot of time eating out in the Bay Area (and she interned at Chez Panisse and was the chef de cuisine at Boulette's), and Canteen is probably our favorite restaurant.

― schwantz, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

also gabbneb, you will be amazed at the highest quality of produce that's available year round at dirt cheap prices. that's the most stunning difference between NYC and SF.

the farmer's market is a good call.

a couple other things:
you can't get charcoal korean bbq in NYC, try Brothers on Geary and get the kalbi
are there any Hawaiian restaurants in NYC? go to L&L in union square for their plate lunch specials

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

I'll be in SF (staying about a block from Cafe du Nord) 5/31-6/5 (will I catch you on the 31st, Shasta?)

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

In N Out R0xx0rs! come on

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

Steve, don't get me wrong. I love In-N-Out. I just think that hamburgers are hardly difficult to find in the U.S. almost anywhere. I'm not being a snob; the most memorable eatery on my recent trip to Vienna was a take-out Israeli shwerma place. I was merely suggesting that as a tourist to SF, you might want to try something a little more local and unavailable where you come from.

I think Zuni, along with Panisse are deserving of a visit 'cause they speaheaded a great deal of the things SF cuisine is now famous for AND they're still excellent.

I haven't been to Canteen yet, but I have yet to hear anybody do anything but rave about it.

I'm gonna call Slanted Door out as a pretty overrated tourist trap Yeah, and since Charles moved to the Ferry Building it's even MORE expensive, but the bar is worth a drink, if ony to see how the haughty tope, and the food IS quite good and, location, location, it has nice views. All the bayfront food in the Ferry building is OK though; SD, Mistral (I take the bus with Fabrice a lot), Hog Island, Mijita.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

I'm having trouble with a Network novelization - weren't these all targeted at kids?

There's that one Sausalito waterfront burger joint, though...

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

But Michael White...

How many restaurant hamburgers are served with the degree of freshness that In-N-Out is famous for? No freezers, fresh meat from the Central Valley, hand cut potatoes, hand cut fresh California tomatoes, hand-leafed local lettuce. All for the same price as McDonalds? It's amazing. You couldn't go to a store and buy the quality of ingredients for an In-N-Out hamburger for less money.

That is why In-N-Out is only available in California (and parts of Nevada and Arizona adjacent to).

It's an amazing business model (managers make 6 digits, employee wages are double-triple the industry average). The only thing that's weird is the religious codes buried deep under the packaging but I can live with that.

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

oh and w/r/t to Zuni... they are famous for their free range chicken that's been on the menu for 20 years, but its serving size is for 2 and it takes 45-60 minutes (and it's also $40).

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

In-N-Out is pretty unavailable if you don't live on the West Coast.

For lunch, I'm thinking about the following:
Fog City Diner (skip it's just meh)
Greens To Go (Greens the actual restaurant is pretty great. Never been to the To Go version, but it's probably good.)
In-n-Out (I would definitely go)
Mario's (or Caffe Trieste? Zoetrope?) (Trieste is just coffee, but there are better places if you ask me, Blue Bottle, etc.)
Pete's cafe at the Art Institute (No idea.)
Scoma's (No idea.)
Slanted Door (outside) (It's very good, but it might be hard to get reservations. Never been to any of the Out The Door possibilities.)
Swan Oyster Depot (where i'd probably eat crab) (Hard to get a reservation and I've never been.)
Tadich (No idea, strangely.)
Taylor's (for the more adventurous stuff?) (I clearly don't care about most famous SF restaurants do I.)
Hog Island (I've only been to Hog Island for the Happy Hour $1 Oyster special. It was good.)
Yank Sing (Best or 2nd best dim sum in the city. Best on weekdays, inside at around noon.)

A16 (never been)
Beach Chalet or (less conveniently?) Sutro's (meh)
Boulevard (at the bar) (I bought my folks a gift certificate for this and they seemed to really like it, but they had a couple of minor food complaints. I wouldn't bother.)
Gary Danko (at the bar) (I've only heard great things.)
Greens/Greens to Go (Been a half-dozen times and I've never not had a great meal.)
My First San Francisco Burrito (I'd do this in LA, but there are a bunch of good SF burrito places.)
Slanted Door (inside?) (Lunch is probably easier to get into. It's a little tourist trappy, I guess, but it's still good.)

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

whoops, pls xcuse the non sequitur quote above....

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

I wouldn't go to Zuni for any reason other than the chicken btw.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

Morbs, I'll be in town on the 31st and that ain't far from me.

Alex are you vegetarian?

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

(I guess not, hahaha)

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Haha no no. But I've always had a fond spot for Greens. If you are doing ONE dinner in SF and money is no object, I would think that Gary Danko is probably the best bet and I would probably recommend Yank Sing for dim sum (I think Ton Kiang is more consistent, but Yank Sing is better for lunch on a weekday just location-wise) and then In-N-Out (if you don't get to it LA.)

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

SFAI has a better view than McCormick & Kuleto's (which is actually quite good). Also Diego Rivera.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't know about the religious codes at In N Out. Whatever else it is, it's still a burger place, tasty, ethically inspiring, maybe, but still a burger place. I mean, if In N Out was in Kansas City and I had to choose between it and local bbq, I know which one I'd pick.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

the bottom of In n Out cups have biblical chapter/verse numbers printed on them. Can't remember if its John 3:16 or something else... pretty innocuous really. I'm not aware of the company having any kind of insane right-wing fundie christian politics otherwise.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

I mean christians who make great food and run their company ethically = the good kind of christians, in my opinion.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

I second Alex's Yank Sing recommendation - only check their hours cos they're funny.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

Have any of you been to the place next door to Zuni, Cav?

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/inandout.asp

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

"I mean, if In N Out was in Kansas City and I had to choose between it and local bbq, I know which one I'd pick."

But if In-N-Out was only in Missouri and I had to choose. . . well I'd still pick the BBQ, but if I had two lunches I'd make sure one of them was In-N-Out.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

I'll admit that I don't eat a lot of burgers, either. I'd far rather have a burrito or taco or dim sum or oysters or crab.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously before they opened the In-N-Out in Gilroy I'd take trips to So. Cal primarily to eat in In-N-Out.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Why do you hate America, Michael?

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Also - I saw you on BART.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I take trips to Fisherman's Wharf solely to eat at In-N-Out. That's about as remarkable actually. I hate the Wharf area.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

On Saturday, 3/10?

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

noooo, sometime last week? you got off in downtown Oakland. Was it not you?

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

I take it the Cliff House is still...what, these days?

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

I take trips to Fisherman's Wharf solely to eat at In-N-Out. That's about as remarkable actually. I hate the Wharf area.

that says a lot - I can't muster the energy myself and likewise hate the wharf (and the trip I would have to make to get there). In-N-Out for me is road-trip food - since its the only decent thing to eat along California's highways, unless you get off the road a ways and find some mom-n-pop mexican food or something... which reminds me of some fantastic tacos I had in Gonzales last time but never mind that...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

I was in Prague last week.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

Cliff House sucks without the Musee Mechanique.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

The Cliff House (Sutro's) is one of the greenest restaurants in the City, I'm told.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

I was in Prague last week.

You have a doppelganger.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Poor bugger.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

He looked quite happy!

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

He was probably drunk.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

haha!

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

n/a and Sarah honeymoon in San Francisco June 4-10ish y'all

It's probably cruel of me to do this, n/a, but [link Conservatory of Flowers]http://www.conservatoryofflowers.org/whatsnew/index.htm[/i]

Anyway, we should get together when you come to town.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

Also, gabbnebb, allow me to recommend Ame

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

You should try Gregoire's, it is great:

http://www.gregoirerestaurant.com/

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

thanks guys, this is all really really helpful

I wouldn't go to Zuni for any reason other than the chicken btw

arg, just when i thought i had resolved my doubts about the place. the menu and famous items didn't seem especially inspiring, but ultimately it was recommended from enough corners and seemed sufficiently touchstone-ish and panisse-ian (plus nice-looking in daylight) that i probably should go. is that wrong?

Foreign Cinema, I tend to go there in the Mission rather than Delfina, but you really should find a way to get a burrito in SF a some point.

i've seen some recs for it and thought about it (or range, which seems particularly up my alley) in the alternative, but wasn't sure it really measured up. wrong again? same for pizzeria delfina? foreign cinema sounds more relaxed somehow, even if it's superficially trendier?

steve, how do scoma's and M&K compare, foodwise?

would Sutro's be an ok choice if it were before sunset? is it 'green' as in energy-wise?

I will consider Canteen and the other places I might shy away from

― gabbneb, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

also gabbneb, you will be amazed at the highest quality of produce that's available year round at dirt cheap prices. that's the most stunning difference between NYC and SF.

i have spent (summer) time in seattle, of course, though i suppose it's colder there. do you mean i can satisfy my first food principle just about anywhere in town?

are there any Hawaiian restaurants in NYC?

we have a roy's right near where i work that i think got destroyed on 9/11 but rebuilt. it was once on my list but i lost interest even while becoming interested in actually going to hawaii. am i missing out?

― gabbneb, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

Foreign Cinema is great for Brunch, so-so for dinner. Range is pretty great.

― schwantz, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

You know what, I know a lot of people who really really like Zuni so you should probably just ignore me.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

Delfina's good too, but there are a million joints in SF that are probably just as good and not quite as hard to into (Firefly, Woodward's Garden, Chapeau, 1550 Hyde, etc) and often have nice prefix deals and IMO more character. I've never been to the pizzeria though.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

Zuni does relatively simple things really, really well. Their tratement of seasonal veg always makes me happy.

I really like FC for dinner. The vibe is fun, esp. with the movies. I thought Range was good but nothing spectacular. Go figure. However the couple we went there with love the place and go there all the time. Maybe I was there on a bad night.

Haven't done Pizzeria Delfina, yet.

would Sutro's be an ok choice if it were before sunset? is it 'green' as in energy-wise?

Sutro's or the Bistro, which actually has better views, would be great, pre-sunset.

Green

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

there are other thigns to do in SF besides eat. why do all our SF threads turn into this? it's so sad.

― akm, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

We are orally fixated.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

WHERE TO GET BEST BJ IN SF?

― akm, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

Corner of Willow and Polk.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

If I didn't (and hadn't ever) live(d) in SF, here are the five things I would be excited to do if I was coming to SF:

1) Go to Amoeba.
2) Eat.
3) Walk across the Golden Gate Bridge.
4) Wander around Golden Gate Park (Japanese Tea Garden, nu-De Young Museum, Conservatory of Flowers, etc.)
5) See movie at the Castro.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

def. see something at the Castro! Seeing Inland Empire there = highpoint of my year so far

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

shasta, is L&L hawaiian bbq good? al and i had plate lunch in kauai twice and are jonesing for more.

we're going to Masa tonight with the inlaws for the wife's bday. it's good i assume? one of the few places that's asked us to wear a jacket.

― jaxon, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

Go to a Friday night movie at the Paramount, it has more intermittent and less contemporary programming than the Castro, but it is a much nicer theater and you can get cocktails and visit the powder room and their announcer is fantastic and you might win a prize. Also it is only a 2 minute walk from the BART stop if you are coming from SF.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

Is L&L better than Hukilau? The menu looks pretty similar.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

I do not understand the current vogue for Hawaiian cuisine. Hawaiian food = blech.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

I'm late to this thread, but I'll say that the only In-N-Out burger I had was kind of dry and uninspired, so I never went back. (Redding had one for about the last 18 months I was there.) I'm sort of with Michael on this -- if I want a great burger, I can make one that's good enough to make me want to marry myself. SF has higher-priority eats for me.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

Yes go to see this:

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 25 @ 7:30 PM
The Fresh Aire Music of Mannheim Steamroller
Doors open 60 minutes before show time.
Tickets: $49.50 & $44.50

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

Lat time Mannheim Steamroller was in town, even the nosebleed tickets were going for $250+ on Ebay.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

that is because boring old greyhaired sweater wearing pipe smoking lute playing tom robbins reading hippies make more money than you

― akm, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

"I'm late to this thread, but I'll say that the only In-N-Out burger I had was kind of dry and uninspired, so I never went back."

That seems hard to believe. They make them to order and if anything they are too juicy.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

Everybody at work told me I must have gotten the only bad burger they ever made. I should have tried them a couple more times, obviously.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

[i]that is because boring old greyhaired sweater wearing pipe smoking lute playing tom robbins reading hippies make more money than you
[/i}

They'd have to. Do you have ANY idea of the cost involved in the regular care, maintenance and nutrition of a lute? One may as well take up deep sea forestry to save the expense.

Also, I don't make very much money.

― admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

I do not understand the current vogue for Hawaiian cuisine. Hawaiian food = blech.

i'm not stoked on hawaiian food in general. and i went to roys for valentines one year and vowed off going out on v.day ever again. fuck prefix menus.

but what i'm talking about is plate lunches. cheap, hearty, meaty, yummy. in kauai we went right after we got off the plane and loved it so much we went again right before our trip was over. i had curry beef stew that the meet was so tender i didn't even have to chew. came with a small salad, rice and macaroni salad. all for 6$. the wife got a combo plate with chicken katsu, beef stew and terriyaki beef. all outstanding.

― jaxon, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

Would the Paramount be good for say, a music show?

― Virginia Plain, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

I saw Air there and it was great. It probably depends on the show. it really is worth going for the building, even just the lobby, alone! Also they conduct tours for $1.

the lobby:
http://www.paramounttheatre.com/graphics/interior.jpg

― admrl, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:42 (eighteen years ago)

and the women's lounge:

http://www.paramounttheatre.com/graphics/lounge.jpg

― admrl, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

i saw R Kelly there and it was AMAZING. so if you get the chance, go!

not quite as swank, but also recommended is the Masonic Temple, which is having shows now (Air coming up soon). I saw Joao Gilberto there five years or so back and had a fantastic time. I'm guessing they've upgraded the sound, which is why more shows are happening there.

― BATTAGS, Saturday, 31 March 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently there is a secret room there full of secret books.

― admrl, Saturday, 31 March 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh exciting. I'm gonna try to get tix for Morrissey. Last Bay Area show was at the Greek in Berkeley.

― Virginia Plain, Saturday, 31 March 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

I think I want to go to Baker Beach. for the view, of course (of the bridge! no, really!). and maybe hiking should be involved at least one way. how do i want to do this? walk the coastal trail from the cliff house? walk down from the bridge itself? if i had started back at the marina that would be really long, right? is one approach preferable to another? and how do i get out of there? is it obvious how to pick up the muni bus or the presidio bus?

― gabbneb, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

steve shasta and i did this hike/walk a few weeks ago and it was very romantic. we drove down to where geary ends and parked in the lot there sort of above sutros baths (also highly reccomended). we couldn't find the proper trail so we hopped some chicken wire type fence. walked down to the beach and then along the coast all the way to baker beach. we saw robin williams house (or should i say his block). and then walked back along the street.

― jaxon, Saturday, 7 April 2007 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

aww! i think what i'm going to do is, if i have enough time, go to the cliff house and take the coastal trail to baker beach then continue along the bluffs to the bridge. if not as much time, i'll just take the 29 bus from golden gate park. then take the 28 bus through the presidio to the marina.

i'd planned on delfina that night, but i'm not sure i'll be in the mood to trek all the way (back) to the mission (from my wharf hotel), and given that i've reserved the other two nights for panisse (upstairs) and greens, maybe something more "contemporary" might be in order. so i think my default will be to try my luck at the bar at gary danko. Ame looks very good too, if maybe a notch less my style, and more casual. do i understand correctly that they have a sashimi bar at which you can order from the regular menu plus a hotel bar with only a bar menu? and aqua looks right up my alley, food-wise (the ambiance might be another matter), plus two michelin stars?!

btw Steve, would your Bong Su recommendation hold equally for Tamarine?

― gabbneb, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Godwaffle Noise Pancakes at 110 Capp st., Echo de pensees sound series at California college of the arts (CCA), take a nap in the dunes at ocean beach, eat a Taqueria Can cun burrito.

― Suikinkutsu, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

i don't really like Aqua. i've been twice. once with the old chef, once w/the new. the most recent time i went it was just so fucking rich i honestly felt like barfing.

― jaxon, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:20 (eighteen years ago)

hotel cold feet - do i want to pay a little extra to stay on the embarcadero near the ferry building rather than by the wharf?

― gabbneb, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

Personally I recommend giving the wharf a wide berth...again, except for the aformentioned In-n-Out.

― mfleming, Monday, 16 April 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

HOOTERS!

― libcrypt, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:08 (eighteen years ago)

This thread has been great reading, and I really really want to see SF some time soon. It reminds me, from everything said here, of Melbourne but with loads of hills and turned up to 11.

― Trayce, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, i get that the wharf is filled with tourist schlock, and that locals pretty much wouldn't be caught dead there, but i'd like to be near the water, and the only other way i can get a hotel view of the bay and headlands is to stay in pacific heights or japantown, which are too inconvenient, or on nob hill or in a downtown tower, which are insufficiently vacation-oriented for my taste. but i'm wondering whether being near the ferry building would be more convenient, transportation-wise (by the wharf, i'd have to rely on the cable car, the f market line and my feet, pretty much, though there's a bus line or two near there too), plus i'd be near the ferry building for breakfast. so the question is do i want to substitute a bay bridge view for a golden gate view given the extra convenience?

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'd pay less and hotel at the wharf, but that's just me. There are plenty of buses within quick walking distances of both so that shouldn't be a big concern.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think one is more convenient than the other. they're both far from , say, the mission or the haight, but they both border north beach. I'd stay near the wharf I guess.

― akm, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

well i figured at the ferry building, you've got the bart and buses west. and the oakville grocery by the wharf is closed apparently (along with other stuff at the cannery?), so for quick breakfast in the area i'd be limited to the waterfront bakery. and cost isn't too much of an issue. but are you saying that the wharf is nicer, given my interests?

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

you could do worse than a daily visit to Laughing Sal at the Musee Mechanique (still on the Wharf?), but we don't find the same things funny.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

oh I'd soytainly like to see the Musee Mechanique, tho it isn't my highest priority

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

I find the wharf depressing and so solely tourist oriented that I, personally, would avoid it. It's convenient to North Beach and that's about all I can say for it. You'll end up saving a bit of money to spend every evening cabbing back to one of the coldest parts of the City. Being near the Ferry building means easy access to MUNI/F Line/BART and thus Downtown, SOMA, the Mission, the Castro, but also the Wharf and North Beach.

Btw, in the unlikely event that you tire of the Ferry Building, allow me to suggest crossing the Embarcadero to a deli called Birleys.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

I'd stay downtown. The Pacific/Bay views are oftentimes home to our infamous fogbanks rendering your "view" in opaque grayscale.

Downtown has better weather, and MUCH better access to public transit and far less of the goofy tourists (who I have a soft spot for, I don't mind them as much as others).

It the Hyatt Regency (in the Embarcadero Center where Market and California Street meet) is within your budget, I strongly recommend staying there. I've got some great views from there, such as:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/107/281495664_e8ce53ce96_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/281329905_cce71ee338_o.jpg

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

You can get similar views from my gym, the Embarcadero Y. Perhaps you might consider staying there?

― admrl, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

i hadn't considered the hyatt, steve, and tend not to like big, atrium-type hotels, but those are nice pictures, arent't they. i think i will go for one of this options.

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

you should stay in a residential hotel on 6th st for an authentic downtown experience.

― akm, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

I worked (as a jury consultant) in that Hyatt once. Their coffee service is top notch and they have a decent PA.

― admrl, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

At night, the lobby looks like a blade runner set.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

I found a b&b near the Castro for $60 a night. :o

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

What's the Mel Brooks movie they filmed at the Hyatt?

who I have a soft spot for

I don't hate tourists at all, it's just that the wharf has a lot of mediocre and overpriced places that only have to cater to them.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

high anxiiiiiiiiety

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone been to the Charles Schulz Museum, or Santa Rosa in general? Worth a trip?

― Virginia Plain, Friday, 27 April 2007 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

How easy is it to get to Berkeley from San Francisco?

This may seem like a dumb question. I've just found out that I might be in SF when Sonic Youth are playing in Berkeley this August, and it's very tempting to go.

― Jill, Friday, 27 April 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)

Anything good going on from May 7 - 11? I'll be there for a conference for work, but only for the weekdays, unfortunately. Anything within walking distance of the Moscone Center, or tips on where to catch transportation to somewhere else cool from that area, is appreciated.

― mh, Friday, 27 April 2007 01:28 (eighteen years ago)

sf to berkeley is 3 bucks and 15-20 minutes away on BART

― iatee, Friday, 27 April 2007 04:41 (eighteen years ago)

moscone is very close to the sf moma and yerba buena (and the cartoon art museum)

― akm, Friday, 27 April 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

there's a reason it's called the golden state, isn't there? i'm afraid that new york in may may not measure up.

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

Try not to take the freeway, Gabbneb. It's not looking too good right now.

― admrl, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

http://cdn.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_colspeaerialbbmaze3.jpg

― admrl, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

Gabbneb, I tried to call you both yesterday...

― Michael White, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

it wasn't as distinctive, after the fact, as la or seattle, but it has good elements of both. and those cypresses.

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

sorry about that michael, i got your message when i touched down. was going to send you an email

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

sorry about your freeway btw

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

That's okay, it was rubbish anyway.

― admrl, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Think of it as an opportunity to renew our infrastructure.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Well, it did get people to try public transit for one day... Too bad they all gave up on the second day.

― mfleming, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)

dear SF, pls get yr transit shit together by my arrival on the 31st.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

transit shit is rockin a-okay! auto traffic, not so much

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

i think i have a mexican food problem

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

only part of which consists of being on the east coast

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

it feels good to be back... got a nice sunburn.

the allergies on the other hand... ef ewe.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

you were gone?

― akm, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

yay MCMF starts this week

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

squid shit lol

― admrl, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=shiokara&spell=1

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%E5%A1%A9%E8%BE%9B&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&gbv=2&q=%E5%A1%A9%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89&btnG=Search+Images

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&gbv=2&q=%E3%81%97%E3%81%8A%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89&btnG=Search+Images

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

Steve Shasta do you like the Hanshin Tigers ( a baseball (a bat-and-ball game played between two teams usually of nine players each) team) of Osaka (a city in Japan (an island nation in East Asia))?

― admrl, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=53&threadid=683

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

doesn't work for me. =(

― admrl, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Daisuke+Matsuzaka%3A+How+his+shirt+got+me+on+Japanese+TV

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

google result #1

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

I like the Hanshin Tigers. I've been on local tv in a foreign country too (Memphis).

― admrl, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

That is heartbreaking. I never liked (trusted?) KFC.

― admrl, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

Is street festival as dirty a phrase as it is in NYC? Ours all sell the same socks and cheap jewelry.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

nah, most of the street festivals in SF = public consumption of alcohol, plus various kinds of meat on a stick. Castro and Folsom Street fairs also involve a fair amount of buttcheeks and chaps and leather. But Union Street stucks, I wouldn't go to any kind of big gathering there.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

i think i got my band banned for life by mcmf by publicly calling them disorganized (which they were, last year anyway; they never got around to telling us we weren't playing, but kept our name on their website until the day before the festival started). good luck to anyone else playing it though, the lineup this year is good

― akm, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

OK, I figured it stucked. I can go to the Bernard Herrmann Castro fest instead! (at least a couple Harryhausens)

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: is j3ff r@y still running MCMF? he's a pretty sketchy dude.

― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

yes he is; he was overly sensitive to the fairly benign thing I said. I think he does the music community a big service by putting this on, I just had a legitimate gripe and he seemed to think that he didn't deserve any gripes. oh well!

― akm, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

I've been volunteering for MCMF this year and yes they are totally disorganized and scatterbrained but honestly I find it all kind of lovable. I feel more of an affinity for J0n than J3ff but that's just a personal thing - all the organizers hearts are in the right place.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

the Castro is the greatest movie theater I've ever been in - always worth a visit

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

This looks amazing. Must go.

http://www.sfcrawfishboil.com/

― oscar, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 23:38 (seventeen years ago)

Anyone have any suggestions for a romantic dinner that won't cost $1 million on a Sunday night in SF? Gonna be there July 6th. The girl's a slightly fussy eater (no seafood especially) and it's her birthday.

― Bryan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago)

Can you narrow that down at all?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago)

I think so long as it's not a seafood restaurant it should be ok, so, for instance, sushi places are out. Location doesn't matter too much, and she's not really a wine drinker so an extensive wine list isn't required. I was thinking a steak house but they're not typically romantic.

― Bryan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago)

House of Prime Rib was voted Most Romantic in the Readers Poll in the Weekly.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago)

Do you have a narrower price range than less than a million?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

Canteen.

― schwantz, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

Pasta Pomadoro was voted Best Italian hurhurhur.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

Is Harris' Restaurant any good? Or will I want to coyote gnaw my arm out a tourist trap?

― felicity, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

Canteen was what I was thinking but I thought I'd get some suggestions anyway. As long as we can keep the bill under $150 I think it'll be ok, and considering that we probably won't order a bottle of wine that gives us plenty of choices. House Of Prime Rib would be good, but I would be tempted to add "3D" to the beginning of the name and they might get mad at me for making fun of their establishment.

― Bryan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

It's got a good rep, but I've never been there.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

if you don't mind the absence of meat, get a table by the window at Greens.

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago)

Alright in that price range minus seafood I like Firefly (Noe Valley), Chapeau! (Richmond), Aziza (also Richmond), Da Flora (North Beach).

Greens is also a good rec.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago)

Range or Foreign Cinema for a darker place?

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:42 (sixteen years ago)

Foreign Cinema, meh.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago)

Both good. FC isn't really dark inside but in the courtyard it IS very romantic.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago)

I like FC more than Alex does.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:46 (sixteen years ago)

FC's menu looks really good, and sitting outside would be especially nice. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.

― Bryan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago)

i only went to FC once adn thought the food was super blah and overpriced. but the setting is nice.

― akm, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

^^^ ding ding ding

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:21 (sixteen years ago)

Hmmm. It may not be Quince, but I have always liked the food at FC. It's very 'honest' medito-californian, doesn't rely overly on facile flavors (usually), they know how to cook everything on the menu, has a good wine list that's well paired to the food...

Whether it's romantic or not is another thing, but I went back to Delfina for the first time in about six years and I really liked it.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago)

I've had great and just okay meals at Delfina. I'd like to try the pizza place next door.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago)

Has anyone been to SPQR? It's gotten a silly amount of good press which usually makes me very suspicious.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago)

I am such a Little Star convert, now, and that's a five minute walk from home.

I had a fiddlehead soup and some pasta w/ramps at Delfina that were as good as any I've ever had and their brandade is still excellent.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:30 (sixteen years ago)

Really? I still prefer Pauline's, but I've not been to Little Star in a couple of years. I'm also sold on Pizzeta 211.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:31 (sixteen years ago)

Although it's right around the corner from my folks' place. I guess I wouldn't go there as much otherwise.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:32 (sixteen years ago)

I went to SPQR right after it opened. It's very 'authentic' Roman food (hence the name) and it was good, but I still like A-16 better. It's also a serious bitch to get into, so I haven't really bothered to go back. If you've got a hankering for that kind of food, though, it's pretty awesome.

Anbody else been to Uva, yet? How about Farina?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:32 (sixteen years ago)

Where is Pizzeta 211?

Btw, I like Uva, but their pizza ain't great.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

See A16's Pizza was very mediocre and I can't recall the rest of the meal (always a bad sign.) I haven't been to Farina, but a friend went and said it was quite good. Uva is the new Haight place, right? Next to Memphis Minnies?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago)

not to derail the food talk, but I will now use this thread as another opportunity to indulge in shameless self-promotion; both I and Shakey Mo will be playing tomorrow night at the bottom of the hill:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa176/akmonday/carta_flyer_hill.jpg

I'm on at 10, he's on after us.

― akm, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago)

Pizzeta 211 is at 23rd & California St.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago)

akm, I get all your invites, btw, but I get up ridiculously early which is mostly why I never go the shows.

A-16's pizzas have been anywhere from B- to A++ when I've gone - but they have all sorts of little things around that I love. Some of their starters (a salad with sunchokes and nuts and a seared sardine plate were spot on) and other dishes were okay, despite the loathing I generally have for my fellow diners there. Again, great wine list, too.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

Pizetta 211 egg and roated fennel pizza is holy shit.

Quince's chef used to work with my broheem at The French Laundry back in the heydays.

My most romantic go-to place is Chez Spencer in SOMA. Unbelievably romantic. My last girlfriend actually asked to be my girlfriend at this restaurant. I said no, because I am saving myself for both Alex in SF and Michael White who are both radical dudes and gentlemen and fungi's. <3<3<3

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:44 (sixteen years ago)

My broheem also says that Quince's pasta maker is the best in the city if not the west coast.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:44 (sixteen years ago)

hey they're opening a toronado in san diego, complete w/sausages :) :) :)

― omar little, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:46 (sixteen years ago)

Chez Spencer appears to be closed on Sundays

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago)

Chez Spencer is a really good suggestion , Steve. It has excellent food and it is very romantic, but mightn't it be a tad dear?

Quince is definitely in my list of top ten or so places, dining-wise. I ate down at the Chef's table in the kitchen once. Man, was that fun.

Steve, sorry bro, but I've been using the spray stuff and the fungi is all gone.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:48 (sixteen years ago)

Chez Spencer appears to be closed on Sundays

Many French and Italian places are closed Sun/Mon.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:50 (sixteen years ago)

hey they're opening a toronado in san diego, complete w/sausages

I heard about this. Apart from the fact that I don't drink much beer, and rarely go there ('cept to see my pal, Stu), and haven't been to SD in ten years, I think this is quite cool. Is there any Rosamunde connection to the SD one?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:53 (sixteen years ago)

i am going to put in a plug for the new sandwich place on spear st (I guess there is one on 2nd) called the Toaster Oven. despite not being the most filling things and basically just being a toasted sandwich, they are deadly addictive. I think it's their mustard.

it's not very romantic though

― akm, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:53 (sixteen years ago)

Is there any Rosamunde connection to the SD one?

i'm not sure, but i think there might not be any connection other than the new one will be serving sausages as a nod to the tradition at the sf location.

― omar little, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:57 (sixteen years ago)

"serving sausages" seems a bit of understatement to me when describing Rosamunde.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:02 (sixteen years ago)

Has anyone ever drawn comparisons between the Rosamunde employees and the Nihilists from Lebowski?

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:03 (sixteen years ago)

Haha no just you.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:06 (sixteen years ago)

Justin, my friend who worked there and just moved back to Vermont to tend to his ailing mom, definitely had some Lebowski sides to him.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:12 (sixteen years ago)

I''m speaking specifically about the German motorcycle riding contigent. Maybe they don't work there anymore.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

Ah! I knew of a couple of German girls that worked there (handy with a sausage, that lot, or so I hear) but I don't think they're there anymore.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:40 (sixteen years ago)

They were German, they rode motorcycles and all had neon streaks in their hair. RIP.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago)

they RACED motorcycles, you can still see pics up on the West wall.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago)

I believe there was even a Team Rosamunde.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago)

They had pink neon in their hair, right, or at least two of them did, no?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago)

some had pink and others had blue and green.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago)

"If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to put some neon in your hair..."

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:55 (sixteen years ago)

The one German lady I am thinking always seemed slightly exasperated with the customers but in a nice way. Actually slightly exasperated kind of describes all the folks who worked there.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:58 (sixteen years ago)

YES. Slightly nihilist though too.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

the only good meals ive had in SF were with shasta

― phil-two, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

Kind of understandably. The patrons are often drunk, don't know the routine, the place is cramped and gets hot behind the counter... There was one I saw not long ago, though she hasn't worked there for a while who was a bit verucht tending towards peevish at work, but when she came to drink at Molotov's she was quite cheery.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:03 (sixteen years ago)

Er, that was an x-post to Alex.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:04 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah it wasn't meant as a criticism. I can't imagine dealing with some of the folks they do on a daily basis.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:07 (sixteen years ago)

You guys sold me on Quince. We're going there for the wife's b-day.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 12 June 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

We're going to Quince in a few weeks for our anniversary! Going to Acme Chophouse for my birthday since we couldn't get in at Epic Roasthouse.

― schwantz, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago)

Jealous of you, both.

― Michael White, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago)

Also, can I just say the weather here doesn't get much better than this.

― Michael White, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago)

I was walking down to Haight towards Fillmore last night and I saw the exasperated German lady we're all thinking of and she looked... exasperated.

― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago)

I like it better when she looks fröhlich.

― Michael White, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

Hm, not sure whether to use that thread or this one. Very confusing.

We are looking for a place to meet up with friends for drinks Friday 7ish to 9ish. (Needless to say, ILXors welcome should we ever decide on a place.) House of Shields was the first choice but it sounds like it gets crowded. Has anyone ever been to Bourbon & Branch?

Oh and thanks to gabbneb, Alex in SF and diamondboxx for all the Sonoma/SF recs on Dr. Morb's thread we were crashing. Sorry, Doc!

― felicity, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:08 (sixteen years ago)

Water Bar is really beautiful and has a great view and cool aquariums, but since it's at Embarcadero & Market, you can kind of imagine the crowd it attracts after work hours.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:17 (sixteen years ago)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6385/23qm7.jpg

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago)

hi! i am here.

― the table is the table, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago)

as in you can do me, if you want? whatever.

― the table is the table, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago)

Suddenly this is the TMI thread.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

Every place gets crowded, felicity, on a Friday, but House of Shields is cool. B & B just seems awfully precious to me.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago)

someone talk about burritos

― akm, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago)

burritos are delicious

― admrl, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago)

For drinks in that hood I'd recommend a new place called 83 Proof (83 1st St) over House of Shields. NB: Can get loud, but see if you can get the upstairs area for a little respite from the volume.

Bourbon & Branch is not worth time/effort/$$$.

FWIW gabbneb's wine recommendations are depressingly pedestrian and vanilla... but you don't drink much so not sure how much that matters.

Great food in Sonoma: Cyrus, Bouchon, Bistro Jeanty, Ad Hoc, etc.

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:28 (sixteen years ago)

^^^Great food in NAPA^^^

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:29 (sixteen years ago)

Went to Cyrus this weekend btw. Very very nice although obv obscenely expensive.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago)

Ate at Bouchon again recently and toped at Jeanty. Good funs.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago)

lol

― admrl, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago)

SF threads

― admrl, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago)

You liked 83 Proof, Shasta?! I didn't like the vibe in there at all. Maybe it was a one-off.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks . . . but I don't think I will be taking you up on that offer.

Oh I get it. You're "something to do in SF." hahahaanothx

So yeah, anyway, thanks for the suggestions. So perhaps HofShield this Friday. It looks like they play good music.

Burritos are good. Just out of curiosity, why does everyone constantly recommend the Mexican food when up in San Fran? (Not that you would necessarily know that I'm coming from LA). Is there some sort of local style of Mexican food that is done only in SF?

We heard good things about Healdsburg. Thinking of trying La Crema. Mazzocco and Kokoma. I don't drink a lot but I like Pinot Noirs. Also the baseball exhibit at the Charles Schulz museum.

Also, does anyone have any suggestions for a nice gourmet grocery place near Union Square where I can take out picnic type food?

― felicity, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

Burritos in LA are rubbish, good in SF.

― admrl, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago)

Best in San Diego.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:40 (sixteen years ago)

L'OMG burrito wars.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago)

did someone mention burritos?

― admrl, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago)

I'm recommending wineries, not wine, Steve. And like I said, I'm hacking it and not recommending places outside Sonoma or requiring reservations or memberships.

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:46 (sixteen years ago)

Why would you go to wineries except to taste wine? Steve's right. You could practically pick three random wineries Sonoma and do better than Kenwood or Ravenswood.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:49 (sixteen years ago)

If you go to Healdsburg, felicity, you may want to think about Mirepoix in Windsor. I usually like Barn Diva in Healdsburg, but I've heard it's not what it used to be. I love Willi's Seafood Bar and Rav. Haven't been to Cyrus in a while but it was excellent when I was last there, though expensive.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago)

If you do go to La Crema, you might also want to check out Ferrari-Carano for a laugh. It looks exactly like what Carmela Soprano's winery would look like, if she had one.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:58 (sixteen years ago)

Why would you go to wineries except to taste wine?

to learn about winemaking and see pretty grounds, among other things. and i didn't say you wouldn't taste wine, i just said i wasn't recommending places to taste the best wine.

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago)

it should be obv i was also excluding RRV places

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago)

Got it. So Felicity if you are for some reason going to wineries to take Winemaking 101 and incapable of noticing that basically the entirety of Sonoma is pretty then follow gabbneb's advice. Otherwise don't.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:08 (sixteen years ago)

Never done a winery tour or anything even tho I've lived in SF Bay area since 2000.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago)

Elbo Room ftw and the lulz

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:17 (sixteen years ago)

i don't know about near union sq, but you can get picnic items at the ferry building. or in sonoma, you can pick up box lunches with advance notice from here or in healdsburg get picnic supplies here

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:19 (sixteen years ago)

Is Bristol Farms still being picketed? That's a decent enough grocery store.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:20 (sixteen years ago)

Other than the anti-union thing obv.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:20 (sixteen years ago)

Coming from LA you're not really missing anything mexicanfoodwise, though SF can rightfully claim to have more or less invennted the burrito as we know it. The "mission burrito" is a tradition since the 60s and kinda defines the genre though green and/or red tortillas are really de trop imho.

That said you've already got access to more/better/more regionally varied/etc (SF Mexican really being its own regional variety). What's nice about SF mexican is the emphasis on the taqueria in general. Tho I do miss Lotéria...

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago)

Shoot, both Mirepoix and Barn Diva look amazing but they're closed on Mondays, which is our free day in Sonoma.

Oh ha, Ferrari-Carano does look like the Bellagio in Vega$.

Thanks, gabb for the Ferry building idea. We need to pick up on Sat for Infineon early Sunday a.m. Apparently bringing your own picnic to these wineries is a big thing, too. On Sunday I'm going to order a picnic basket from Applewood Inn.

You SFILXoRs are so nice and friendly. I think we are, in fact, going to House of ~~Kevin/DeLino/Scott/Jim~~ Shields Friday. Please consider stopping by!

My goodness, the weather in Sonoma is predicted for the 90s this weekend. We're going to die of heat at Infineon.

I'm using tripit.com to organize all these recommendations. Very cool travel collaboration app.

― felicity, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:30 (sixteen years ago)

in addition to more local selections, the Cowgirl Creamery in the Ferry Building carries the great Stich3lton and cheeses made by Washington State's S@lly J@ckson

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:44 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks again for all the recs.

We went to Speakeasy Brewery happy hour and the Medjool roof on Friday, Grey Whale Cove Beach all day on Saturday, then Bourbon & Branch and Foreign Cinema. B&B makes a good mint julep. FC had some good food and was showing "Parallax View" although unfortunately we could not get a patio table.

Infineon was good racing and very, very fan friendly with lots of parking shuttles. I wouldn't try to watch a race there again without a scanner, though, because you can't see the whole course from anywhere. So we left and went to Willi's Wine Bar in Santa Rosa. This might have been my favorite eating/drinking stop of the trip. We also went to the Russian River Brewing Company. Good pizza.

For tastings we only made it to Dry Creek and some of Alexander Valley. We went to Silver Oak (A, Barack Obama is a fan of the Cabernet apparently), Geyser Peak (a throw-in, free, it was just there), Bella (A++, awesome, cool wine cave, the late harvest zin dessert wine was my fave), Kokomo (nice guys form Purdue, tiny output), Mauritson (strange, rockpile wines). The latter two were free if you have a Visa signature credit card. Then lunch at Bear Country Brewery in Healdsburg and the Charles Schulz Museum.

I can see why people get so into tastings. It was very easy in Sonoma where the wineries are all clustered close together. I would go back.

SF is always in the 80s whenever I go. I don't know what the big deal is with the "cold" summer.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 18:47 (sixteen years ago)

You weren't here yesterday!

― rogermexico., Tuesday, 24 June 2008 18:57 (sixteen years ago)

Hah, I was just kidding. Yes, I was.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:00 (sixteen years ago)

"the late harvest zin dessert wine was my fave"

I'll have to look for this.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:00 (sixteen years ago)

Here it is.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:05 (sixteen years ago)

Silver Oak is really great. They do offer tastings of really young wines though, kinda puzzling.

Medjool though... ouch.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago)

I got back from SF a couple of weeks ago... I loved it. Went to Bourbon & Branch (nice but wouldn't want to pay full price for drinks there), also Front Porch which was nummmm. I have a Mexican food habit now, not too great living in UK :(

Also went to Bimbo's whcih was cool except for chucking you out straight after the gig - what's that all about?

― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:17 (sixteen years ago)

Heh, I knew you guys would say that. It was some geek tech startup event.

There was one indignant young professional at Medjool who happily confirmed the stereotupe I think I am supposed to have formed of "SoMa" on a workday weekend happy hour who so out-douched anything I've seen in New York or LA for the last ocuple years. She RIPPED the overworked cocktail waitress a NEW ONE because she got a RIESLING instead of a SAUVIGNON BLANC and she's not in fact CRAZY; they ARE different drinks, even though the drink came SLOWLY which INDICATED to this patron that the waitress was BUSY. OMG!

Also we stopped at Philz coffee on the way to Gray Whale Cove (yummy!!!) and checked off the list of whitepeoplelike for multiple bingos. I'll post em all.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago)

I think this was the most we ever got at one time, in SF on the way to the beach:

* #98 The Ivy League
* #93 Music Piracy
* #91 San Francisco
* #87 Outdoor Performance Clothes
* #86 Shorts
* #84 T-Shirts
* #76 Bottles of Water
* #63 Expensive Sandwiches
* #60 Toyota Prius (rented one)
* #56 Lawyers
* #55 Apologies
* #44 Public Radio
* #41 Indie Music
* #40 Apple Products
* #30 Wrigley Field
* #28 Not having a TV
* #24 Wine
* #23 Microbreweries
* #19 Traveling
* #11 Asian Girls
* #9 Making you feel bad about not going outside
* #8 Barack Obama
* #1 Coffee

At Speakeasy -- which I understand is somewhat adjacent to "the Hood" -- a guy in an A's cap decided we looked like Giants fans and started dissing on us and our "team" by accusing us of driving a Suburu Outback.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:29 (sixteen years ago)

Haha wait that was you?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

NO WAY

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

j/k

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

* #30 Wrigley Field

you saw Wrigley Field in San Francisco?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

In her Suburu Outback, she did!

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

I think this was the most we ever got at one time, in SF on the way to the beach:

You can get most of those just by looking in a mirror dawg.

LOL @Alex In SF

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:35 (sixteen years ago)

Well I suppose that is questionable, but I do have the Chicago Cubs MLB mobile icon shortcut on my Blackberry.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago)

I know! And I cut a LOT of them off that list, trust me.

But anyway, #1!! Philz's ecstastic iced coffee is so good. #1

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:40 (sixteen years ago)

* #1 Coffee

Is that really number one on the list? I don't drink coffee - I guess I'm not as white as I thought

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:41 (sixteen years ago)

Oh also I got to use my $5 off any $25 purchase at Bristol Farms. That's so cute you only have one Bristol Farms.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago)

^coupon

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago)

So we left and went to Willi's Wine Bar in Santa Rosa. This might have been my favorite eating/drinking stop of the trip.

I guess it's related to the place in Healdsburg. I love that place.

Why does everbody hate the Medjool roof so much? If it's nice out (rare I know) and not too windy, it can be lots of fun.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

any reviews of @pplewood, food or otherwise?

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 21:01 (sixteen years ago)

Oh the Applewood looked really nice but we got a $40 ticket for illegally parking on Highway 1 on Saturday so we did a less $$$ lunch. But yes, I get the Willi's love. It's esp. good for someone like me who only can drink like a couple of tastes of anything.

I liked the Medjool roof.

― felicity, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago)

it's freezing now

― akm, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:08 (sixteen years ago)

it sounded like a bomb went off downtown just now. anyone else hear that?

― akm, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

I didn't - I'm at Mission and Main

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:57 (sixteen years ago)

California and Market, PG&E underground explosion, blowing off manhole covers. SAme shit that happened a few years ago! helicopters all over the place

― akm, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

City Beer stocking Russian River Pliny the Elder and Blind Pig IPA in bottles!

― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 14 July 2008 23:26 (sixteen years ago)

I wonder if they'll get Dogfish Head in bottles.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 00:20 (sixteen years ago)

so many places cary DF Head in bottles, Shasta.

― the table is the table, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 00:30 (sixteen years ago)

morgan, i live around corner from City Beer.

shasta, do you remember the name of the beer i absolutely LOVED last time we went there? Retribution? Premonition? think it was from the Russian River? blue bottle.

― jaxon, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:00 (sixteen years ago)

ah! here it is. http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/863/13741 Redemption. soooo good. they didn't have it the last few times i went there

― jaxon, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:02 (sixteen years ago)

that's a seasonal one, i think. they used to have it at this very upscale bar in philly i would take dates to.

― the table is the table, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

just spent the weekend hanging out in sf - jesus christ i did not realise it was so touristy!! it actually just got to be too much for me, all the crowds and having to fight my way through people. michael, you were right: i think i would have enjoyed fisherman's wharf but there were just too many ppl and we ended up turning round and leaving pretty much right after we got there. also tried to go to SFMOMA but the line was enormous - table, do you work tuesdays? the first tuesday of the month is free so i was thinking of heading there next week maybe. caught the BART into sf all by myself for the first time yesterday and did not get lost (this is a major achievement for someone like me).

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:03 (sixteen years ago)

uh if you go to Fisherman's Wharf and SFMOMA yeah there are going to be tourists there

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

any good parties sometime between Aug13-16?

― phil-two, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

SFMOMA is good to go to early or late. Fisherman's Wharf is always like that. Where do you live, Rubyredd?

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

I am thinking I might come back up for a short visit, sometime soon.

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

Tourists? Fisherman's Wharf? In the middle of summer?

I can't believe it. Somebody get Newsom on the phone.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:15 (sixteen years ago)

I just realized that Newsom kind of reminds me of Christian Bale?

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:20 (sixteen years ago)

uhh maybe not, actually, on doing image search. I guess the real Newsom is fading from my mind somewhat

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:21 (sixteen years ago)

I see that the SF snark wagon has come out to greet you Ruby.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:21 (sixteen years ago)

Not everyone in SF is a prick.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago)

sorry :/

i just meant that i've never been somewhere like that before. i come from a small country and it just doesn't get like that in the city i lived in.

admrl, i just moved to oakland a few weeks ago. i don't know if you remember, but i started a thread about a year ago, asking for info about oakland because my bestfriend was moving there from LA... well, he is now my boyfriend and i moved to the US to be with him.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago)

libcrypt, where do you actually live? i was under the impression you had lived in the bay area but now live somewhere else? or are you still there?

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago)

I do remember that thread!

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

Wow, that is exciting news, rubyredd!

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

I live in the upper haight, Ruby. Near Masonic & Haight, pretty close. Plenty of tourists in my neighborhood, but it's nothing like the Wharf.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

i think by 'tourists' rubyredd means 'density'

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

tho SF apparently is fairly similar to Sydney in that regard

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:26 (sixteen years ago)

or are you still ~~there~~here

keep forgetting that 'there' is now 'here'

thanks, admrl :) we live about 100 strides from the parkway theatre. after all the bad stuff a lot (i.e. everyone but a few) ppl said about oakland i was a little intimadated about moving here, but i really love it and think it's utterly beautiful.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:27 (sixteen years ago)

no, gabb, i still mostly mean 'tourist'

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:28 (sixteen years ago)

SF MOMA is a great place to go -- I visit a few times per year -- but you do have to be careful of tourists in the summer months. Maybe if you waited until October or so you could do the touristy SF thing more peacefully. Go to Alcatraz, I suggest, but take a coat.

If you want something low-key and relatively tourist-free, check out Valencia St. The Pirate Supply Store is pretty nift, and there's good eating and an inexpensive gallery nearby.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:29 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, I would move back to oakland, I think! I <3 Parkway. Have fun!

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:30 (sixteen years ago)

RR, it may be foggy and none too warm but it's still the height of tourist season. You still have that list of walks I gave you, right?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:30 (sixteen years ago)

libcrypt, we should FAP sometime.

yeah, the other weekend when we came into sf, we went to gallery 1988 on friday night and valencia on a sunday afternoon, and it was all way more chill. it was just a shock to my system to be surrounded by so many ppl - really not used to it.

michael, we went to greenapple book store - WOW. but i've been wow-ing all over the place about bookstores; i just can't get over how many huge and awesome used/new bookstores there are here. nothing to rival it in nz, nothing even remotely close. and i still have that email from you, jordan and i will probably do some of that stuff soon, but his mum wasn't up for much walking. we spent quite a bit of time hanging out on the 36th floor of the hyatt.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:34 (sixteen years ago)

Michael, could you email me that list of walks?

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:35 (sixteen years ago)

Move to Los Angeles after living in Bay Area if you want to suffer the reverse of bookstore excitement

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago)

i can forward the email to you, if you like, rock hardy. i'll try webmail - let me know if it works.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:38 (sixteen years ago)

You should just post them here, Michael White.

Ruby, I'll take you & BF out for dinner if you wanna trek into the city some evening.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:38 (sixteen years ago)

libcrypt, that sounds like an awesome idea. can you webmail me? i would webmail you with my email address, but i can never get that stupid letter/number sequence right.

okay, here is michael's list of walks:
Speaking of walking, I don't know about you, but if there's anything that living in Paris really did to change my character, it was to make me a huge fan of a good and mostly aimless stroll and SF is excellent for this in several ways. First it's hilly so you'll end up with a nice, firm ass. Secondly, there are real, distinct neighborhoods with local businesses and local flavor. Third, it's realistically just as easy to get from one neighborhood to another by public transport or taxi as it is by car; parking is scarce and expensive. Some neighborhoods I recommend strolling through.

North Beach/Chinatown: Almost but not as touristy as the Wharf (where I very rarely venture), Chinatown is fun to check out during the day (it can be pretty dead at night) and if you walk north, you run into the old Italian neighborhood of North Beach. Broadway was one of the groundbreaking sleazy strip club strips in the States and it can be somewhat tawdry, though places like the Lusty Lady are famous for their sex-positive feminist treatment of the dancers. Further down Columbus there are loads of good cafes (Trieste and Greco are two of my favorites, though there a many other good ones) and restaurants. North Beach can be a little too touristy and a little too rowdy/drunk on Friday or Saturday, which is a pain if you don't want that but kind of cool, if you do. I recommend walking Grant Ave. from Columbus to Union.

Polk Street: From Union Street up and over and down to Geary, where it starts to get sketchy, this a great example of what the Brits would call a high street. Northern Polk is nearer to Union Street (the neighborhood not the street, proper) and thus a bit more yuppy and blonde. My gf refers to it as the 'Brunette Marina', the Marina being Union Street and Chestnut with its douchey, blonde and frat-like denizens. Middle Polk is not as gay as it used to be and it has been gentrified since I lived 'round there but not altogether in a bad way.

Hayes Valley: From Van Ness down to Laguna, Hayes has a lovely couple of blocks that too have been gentrified as of late but in hipness. It's good for window shopping.

Haight Street: I personally find Upper Haight, the Haight Street of the Summer of Love, to be as touristy as anything in the City but it does have a distinct flavor and there's also the payoff of it ending at Golden Gate Park, which, on a nice day, is sublime for a stroll or a picnic or for playing catch, etc... It is in its way as conservative as Union Street, only in a hippy way as opposed to a bourgeois one, but it's a must see, I'd say and there's Amoeba Records near the end. Lower Haight (I live a block away) is edgier and a tad more 'authentic' or something. It has started sprouting cute little boutiques, too, though, amidst the tattoo shops, the hairdressers and the bars.

The Mission: Mission St. between 16 and 24th, and Valencia between the same, 16th St between Guerrero and Mission, you could really spend a day walking around here. It's not as ratty as it used to be, which is good and bad, but it teems with fun, hip, cool places. Also, burritos!

The Embarcadero/The Ferry Building: Over the last ten years, the Embarcadero which from the 50's till the early 90's was blighted by an elevated freeway, has been developed and restored. The Ferry Building, too, has been completely redone and is now a temple of the Northern Californian organic, local and fancy-pants gastronomic revolution. It ain't cheap, but it has everything from pork raised solely on acorns, to amazing pastries, to excellent bread, cheese, olive oil, wine, oysters. It's also excellent for people watching.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:44 (sixteen years ago)

welcome to the Bay Area RR!!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

Mail sent, Ruby.

If you like walking, Golden Gate park has some wonderful features, including a couple great museums and the Conservatory of Flowers. Highly recommended for walking or biking.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago)

I have a soft spot in my heart for kiwis too

(x-post)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago)

Golden Gate Park >>>>>>>>>> Central Park (NYC).

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago)

First it's hilly so you'll end up with a nice, firm ass.
First it's hilly so you'll end up with a nice, firm ass.
First it's hilly so you'll end up with a nice, firm ass.
First it's hilly so you'll end up with a nice, firm ass.
First it's hilly so you'll end up with a nice, firm ass.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago)

;-D

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago)

I went to the Conservatory of Flowers over the weekend for the first time in ages. It was very serene. I've been walking the Panhandle to GG Park a lot, recently. Lots of good stuff to see; the de Young museum, the bandshell, Stowe Lake (you can rent a boat to tool around) and its ducks and loons, the Shakespeare Garden, the Strybing Arboretum and soon the Steinhart Aquarium will be open again. The AIDS memorial grove is really pretty too and secluded and not usually very crowded.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:54 (sixteen years ago)

C'mon, Steve, it's not as if you don't have an ass of steel.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago)

Polk Street: From Union Street up and over and down to Geary, where it starts to get sketchy, this a great example of what the Brits would call a high street.

heart polk st. so much. the ever-increasing southernward sketchiness is part of its charm

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:57 (sixteen years ago)

the Brits

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago)

jordan's mum was over from chicago for the weekend, so yesterday we went on this tacky narrated bus tour - kinda lame but also cool, because i got to see a lot stuff and orient myself a little better. there does seem to be a lot of nice places to bike - which is good, since i just bought a bike.

i didn't mean to offend anyone, or come off sounding retarded, when i commented on the touristy thing: i actually think sf is totally beautiful, i was just caught off-guard by the amount of people here.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:59 (sixteen years ago)

"the ever-increasing southernward sketchiness is part of its charm"

Increasing? Seriously it's better than it's ever been. That part of Polk has always been dive-y.

Rubyredd didn't realize you were already out here! The wife & I would be happy to show you around anywhere in SF (well except for Fisherman's Wharf haha which thankfully you've already been to--and we totally owe you dinner too.) My email is clobberthesaurus @ yahoo dot com.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:13 (sixteen years ago)

I think you'll find that the people who love SF, really love SF. I know that I'm rather chauvinistic about it, and I hear much of the same from friends and acquaintances. Hell, it gets to be a contest as to who loves SF most sometimes. So, er, I guess this is a warning? Oakland is cool too but nobody from SF will admit that there's anything good about the east bay (and I guess some of the eb'ers think that SF has no "soul").

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago)

There are plenty of good things about the East Bay and only assholes say otherwise. That said I wouldn't want to live there myself.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago)

Hah!

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago)

I think we can all at least agree that south of the Hayward-Oakland line sux.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

I don't know that part of the East Bay so I am qualified to comment.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago)

"un"

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago)

there's plenty of good stuff in the East Bay and I wouldn't mind living in Berkeley but there's some kind of forcefield/black hole-effect in place whenever I go there which seems to make it difficult to escape. Last time I was heading back from a bachelor party on Thursday night at 10pm and I was stuck in traffic at the bridge toll for over an hour. okay sure maybe driving was a bad idea in the first place but still wtf. that's the main reason I rarely go to the East Bay, particularly at night, getting back is always some weird hassle.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago)

I'm getting pretty sick of the horrible weather we have in this city. There has not been a single god damned weekend day this summer where it was warm enough to take my kids to the beach. We have to bundle them up in jackets just to go to the park, most days. Other than that, I love the city.

― schwantz, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:28 (sixteen years ago)

I don't think this argument would exist to such a degree if getting between the East Bay and San Francisco wasn't sometimes so annoying.

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yeah I don't really miss that aspect of the Bay, to be honest. I'm moving into a place with a huge roof deck and I plan on being out on that thing 300 days a year.

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago)

I went swimming last Saturday, schwantz, in a pool in SF. I kept on thinking I had to be dreaming.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago)

I love our "summers", but I am not a huge fan of Mr. Sun.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago)

I can bear the fog, it's the cold wind that irks me but that's way less of a problem in the East Bay.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago)

the beach?! dude its never warm enough to go the beach. it IS however, warm enough to take yr kids to the new Potrero Del Sol skate park near my house, which is teh awesome

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:35 (sixteen years ago)

I'm getting pretty sick of the horrible weather we have in this city. There has not been a single god damned weekend day this summer where it was warm enough to take my kids to the beach. We have to bundle them up in jackets just to go to the park, most days. Other than that, I love the city.

See, I view this as one of SF's wonderful features. SF weather rules.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:36 (sixteen years ago)

Schwantzy,

Saturday was beautiful at baker beach wtf!?!?!?!

My sunburn (all lol over) is proof.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

UCSF gets the most potent fog ever, it seems. At times, it's like a spray, yet it's not really "raining".

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

alex: will have to take you up on that offer!

i've been kinda surprised by how much i love oakland - the weather is fantastic here. i was warned that it gets ridiculously hot, but haven't experienced a heatwave yet (and also, it turns out jordan is way more of a sissy about the heat than i am, despite having lived in LA for 10 years. at night i'm bundled up in at least two layers of blankets with my feet tucked under his legs, while he throws everything off and has a fan blasting in his face). the difference between sf and oakland temps is pretty startling.

jordan has shown my some pretty shitty/scary parts of oakland, but the freakiest thing i've seen so far was while driving through the tenderloin yesterday at midday and seeing homeless people just lining the sidewalks - i've never seen anything like that before, and it's pretty sad.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago)

that's cuz its the end of the month

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago)

can any of guys plz ask your girlfriends/girl friends/wives if they can recommend a great salon for waxing in sf that isn't too pricey?

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago)

electrolysis is cheaper in the long run.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago)

Interesting segue...

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:30 (sixteen years ago)

welcome RR, estela told me you were moving here.

― akm, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

my wife's no help in the waxing dept, sorry

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

thanks akm, we are both members of the elite 'i've met estela IRL' club.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:35 (sixteen years ago)

there seems to be a beauty salon every 30 feet in oakland, but they all look shady. waxing isn't really something i want to do the whole trial-and-error thing with.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:36 (sixteen years ago)

Do you use Yelp.com, RR? It's got a lot of SF reviews of places like for waxing.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:41 (sixteen years ago)

i've heard of it but not used it. i'd just rather get at least a semi-personal reference for a place, just because a bad wax can be so freaking awful.

― Rubyredd, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:51 (sixteen years ago)

i <3 how you pricks (sup libcrypt) complain about the weather on days like today.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago)

It's either that or cavil burrito or pizza joints, Steve. You know the drill.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago)

I liked the weather until I had kids. Now I wish it was warmer.

@Steve - We went to the Thomas Day at Roaring Camp last Saturday, so we weren't in town.

― schwantz, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:24 (sixteen years ago)

Increasing? Seriously it's better than it's ever been. That part of Polk has always been dive-y.

oh, i meant geographically, and not chronologically in some larger sense.

RR, yeah, look up "salon" on yelp.com

it was warm enough to go to the beach when i was in sf in june

you can only hate on the weather there if you're a weirdo like me who gets freaked out by no rain for six months at a time

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks for C&P'ing those walks. I've wandered many of these areas before, hopefully will again.

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago)

One thing I'm bringing with me next month is a printout of the NYTimes' article from May about SF farmers markets.

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago)

The new Divis farmers' market is good but small.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:38 (sixteen years ago)

lol at "you pricks"

― admrl, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:38 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, libcrypt, good stuff at the Divis Farmer's Mkt. I hope it makes it.

You must go to Gus's on Haight Street, no?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

I never knew it as Gus's -- just the "Greek store" -- but yea. Gus appears to have an anger management problem: I dunno if they were kidding him, but the employees were talking about it and his "restraining order" one time I was there.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago)

I worked 'with' him once on a stupid movie I was doing locations on. He was often unreasonable and to the point where he shot himself in the foot/didn't make money I offered to him 'cause he was pissed we were filming there and making his life complicated.

I really dig his store, though.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:07 (sixteen years ago)

m getting pretty sick of the horrible weather we have in this city. There has not been a single god damned weekend day this summer where it was warm enough to take my kids to the beach.

yeah it's been annoying. I wish the weather would be consistent enough that I could either leave the pilot lights on my heaters off or on; I've had to relight them five times in the past two months.

― akm, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:26 (sixteen years ago)

I had no idea there was a Divis Farmer's Market. How long has it been there?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:45 (sixteen years ago)

Two or three weeks.

― svend, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago)

Neat. Does it open early on Sunday?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:53 (sixteen years ago)

10am - 2 PM

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/10/BAVG11MJ0I.DTL&hw=divisadero&sn=001&sc=1000

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:56 (sixteen years ago)

When I've been there it's been packed, so maybe they'll make it a permanent farmer's market.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago)

At least it isn't called THE NOPA FARMER'S MARKET.

Is there any discounts on that shady bbq?

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

Shady bbq? Lilly's is excellent.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:04 (sixteen years ago)

BBQ is at its best when simultaneously pleasing yr palate and picking yr pocket.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago)

say "hi" to me to carl from the ha-ra bar

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:07 (sixteen years ago)

it's shady because the prices keep changing. i've been there 3x in 6 months and saw different prices.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

Anybody know why it's taking Nopalito so long to open? Then last time I went by there, it looked like Falletti's was still using their space for storage.

Ha ha, dell. The last time I went there was with adamrl et al.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

actually, don't. he wouldn't know "dell". just go there and ask him to tell you dirty jokes

actually, don't. he will tell you dirty jokes w/o said bidding.

the day that the owner of "cbobby's owl tree" fame died is the day that...

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:11 (sixteen years ago)

Sept 14, 2006

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

ouch

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

what is it now?

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:21 (sixteen years ago)

It's still the Owl Tree but it's owned by some restaurant congolomerate and it's been cleaned up. Kind of like the old Formosa in LA, I don't think there's any reason for me to go back anymore.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:27 (sixteen years ago)

Apparently the same people who own Bruno's/Harry's.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:30 (sixteen years ago)

hmm. is the same decor still happening?

― dell, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:33 (sixteen years ago)

It's been cleaned up and there's a kind of shrine to the old place/C Bobby/the owls.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:34 (sixteen years ago)

there are no owls!!!

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

that's not cool.

― dell, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:34 (sixteen years ago)

Am I correct in assuming that the permanent storefronts in the Ferry Bldg. are open 6 or 7 days, not just farmers market days?

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 01:53 (sixteen years ago)

7 days.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 01:54 (sixteen years ago)

I work about 2 minutes away from Pier 39 and it is living hell every day (except when it's hilarious).

― polyphonic, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 06:23 (sixteen years ago)

hellarious?

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago)

so i'm not the biggest fan of yelp (is anyone), but i had a fucking amazing sandwich at the yelper favorite, Ike's Place, on 16th and Sanchez. friendly, quick, and delicious. damn.

― the table is the table, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 20:02 (sixteen years ago)

I went to Ike's for the first time on Saturday! For a more traditional sandwich, I recommend May's on 14th @ Market. Try their pastrami.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

TS: Quincy's vs. May's

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago)

Don't know Quincy's but I'll check it out if it's worth it.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago)

It's another cheap good sandwich place on Market St staffed by occassionally less than friendly sandwich makers.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago)

too far away for me - if I want a fancy sandwich these days I go to Mastrelli's in the ferry building

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago)

May's isn't fancy by any stretch of the imagination but they make good traditional American-style sammiches.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago)

The Butler & The Chef's croque monsieur.

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:16 (sixteen years ago)

any of you guys know of a bookstore in bernal heights? i just applied for a job there, but in the ad they only provided the area, not the name of the store or specific address.

― Rubyredd, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

Maybe this?

http://www.yelp.com/biz/red-hill-books-san-francisco#hrid:fb2OOVL1ZR6swhVvUvo_mw/query:Books

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:24 (sixteen years ago)

The Butler & The Chef's croque monsieur.

Not bad. Fun place for brunch.

Birley's?

No idea on the bookstore, rr. :(

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

That's the only one Yelp lists in Bernal Heights so I'm guessing that's it.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago)

The Butler & The Chef looks good...

― the table is the table, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago)

thanks for that, alex.

― Rubyredd, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever seen a bookstore in Bernal. there is a record store over there now tho at Mission and 30th - anyone been in there?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

TB&TC is good. It's a good place to go pre-ballgame. I like the South Park Cafe for post-ballgame.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

What say ye to Red's Java House?

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:42 (sixteen years ago)

people I work with like it. it's mostly meat so I don't go.

Can I rep for the Toaster Oven?

― akm, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:46 (sixteen years ago)

Red's is good although I wouldn't go out of my way to have breakfast down that way (and on Saturday I would def. go to the Farmer's Market at the Ferry Building.)

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:50 (sixteen years ago)

I have a soft spot for Red's.

What's the Toaster Oven?

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:54 (sixteen years ago)

it's a franchise, there is one on spear and one on 2nd (and one in utah, apparently), toasted sandwiches. they have some horribly addictive mustard.

― akm, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:57 (sixteen years ago)

Almost all mustard is horribly addictive unless it has honey in it.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 22:04 (sixteen years ago)

Mission & 30th? you mean Thrillhouse, i think. mostly punk rock and hardcore, though they have all-ages shows that are quite fun, apparently.

― the table is the table, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 22:14 (sixteen years ago)

yeah Thrillouse. lolz Simpsons jokes

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 22:18 (sixteen years ago)

alex: you were right, the bookstore is red hill and i have interview tomorrow (wish me luck!)

― Rubyredd, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:44 (sixteen years ago)

can any of guys plz ask your girlfriends/girl friends/wives if they can recommend a great salon for waxing in sf that isn't too pricey?
-- Rubyredd, Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:22 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

asked a girlfriend that lives in oakland and she suggested About Face & Body in berkley. she says everyone who's anyone goes there

http://www.yelp.com/biz/about-face-and-body-berkeley

― jaxon, Thursday, 7 August 2008 22:41 (sixteen years ago)

Did you get the bookstore job?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 22:44 (sixteen years ago)

I wonder what kind of bookstore it is if rr has to get waxed first?

― Michael White, Thursday, 7 August 2008 22:45 (sixteen years ago)

Oh no you dint

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 August 2008 22:46 (sixteen years ago)

MICHAEL WHITE YOU NAUGHTY MAN

did not get job - interview was for positions available at both dog eared and red hill, and went well, but i lost out to two ppl who had years of bookstore experience (yrs of experience but still willing to work parttime for $10 p/hr...?). half price books in berkeley is looking for staff so will try there.

table took me to zeitgeist yesterday: jesus christ you americans pour your drinks a lot stronger than in nz (altho admittedly, it was pretty nasty vodka).

― Rubyredd, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:07 (sixteen years ago)

we also hung out at dolores park and got semi-waterbombed by a bunch of kids.

― Rubyredd, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:08 (sixteen years ago)

It's sad what a dump Dolores Park is. So much trash and unpicked dog business around. tsk tsk

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

lololol Zeitgeist's outdoor patio and semi-decent kitchen are the attractions there - I'd stick to beer if I was drinkin there though

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

Dolores Park is a dump? I have never noticed this

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

No, it's a gorgeous park, but there are always bottles and wrappers and poop in the grass when I go there.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:11 (sixteen years ago)

Actually there is poop in the grass in virtually all SF parks, but most of the ones I go to seem to have less garbage strewn about then Dolores.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

oh Dolores is lovely, if a bit like summer camp for the 20-30 year old set. (as in my set, so i enjoy going there).

― the table is the table, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

try sitting on the grass round lake merrit: literally COVERED in swan crap (btw, does anyone know for sure if they're swans or geese? i'm certain they're swans but my bf insists they're geese).

also: jaxon, thanks for the salon recommendation; place sounds great.

― Rubyredd, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

I wouldn't sit on the grass in any park anywhere that there are dogs about. Owning a dog does this to you though. I didn't think much about it prior to that.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:22 (sixteen years ago)

I think I also probably look more at grass and bushes then I did previously haha.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:23 (sixteen years ago)

my wife went to about face and body a lot, then one day they burned her face doing an eyebrow wax and were really nasty about it, and she didnt' go back. but that was a few years ago.

― akm, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:23 (sixteen years ago)

gotta say I hate most dogs and that's just one reason among many

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:24 (sixteen years ago)

Do they give her a two headed quarter w/ a scarred side?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:25 (sixteen years ago)

hmmm... that kind of stuff freaks me out, but it's gotta be done. i'll think i'll brave it.

i did feel decidedly out of place at zeitgeist, like i was short on tattoos/piercings.

― Rubyredd, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:25 (sixteen years ago)

Oh that's not a reason to hate dogs. It's a reason to hate dog owners.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:25 (sixteen years ago)

lolz

yeah Zeitgeist pretty bike-messenger-y

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:28 (sixteen years ago)

Zeitgeist is a great hot day bar, but I tend to find it a bit a claustrophobic at night.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:34 (sixteen years ago)

I like half price books in berkeley.

― admrl, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:40 (sixteen years ago)

Zeitgeist is not my bag at all during the night-time. But day-time, drinking-before-five bar? Probably my favorite in the Mission. (And I'm sorry you felt out of place, j! I tend not to notice such things at bars, especially since it is impossible to go almost anywhere in this city where heavily tatooed or pierced people aren't about).

God, does anybody hate that place Skylark as much as I do? You can't even get past on the fucking sidewalk at night, and it is full of awfulness.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:49 (sixteen years ago)

what is that bar where that lady pinched my nipple?

that place is ok

― admrl, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:50 (sixteen years ago)

it's a number or something right?

― admrl, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:50 (sixteen years ago)

The 500 Club! Haha oh many I forgot about that night.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago)

tabes, it is ok! i had a good time there, v v nice sunny day bar and we could SMOKE. altho that turned out to be bad, since i've been so good lately. it's just that i look kind of dorky (funnily enough, just like someone who works in a bookstore!) and not hip/trendy/indie/whatever at all, so i always feel a bit self conscious when i'm out and about.

― Rubyredd, Friday, 8 August 2008 00:07 (sixteen years ago)

Ruby, in some of the bars I hang out in half the conversation seems to be about tattoos past, present and future and meanwhile I'm standing there with my bowtie on bereft of any 'ink' whatsoever. I wouldn't sweat it too much.

― Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:05 (sixteen years ago)

wow and here I was thinking I was the only person in this town with no tatoos/piercings

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:06 (sixteen years ago)

Mind you, I have nothing against them, but they're just not high on my priority list.

― Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago)

yeah me neither - my wife's got a bunch of tattoos and they are purty and all I just never felt the inclination to do that to myself.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:17 (sixteen years ago)

If I were to come in the fall, I was considering Nov 1-6 (I hate Halloween). Also I was imagining election night (Obama, sex in the streets; McCain, doomsday sex in the streets).

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:18 (sixteen years ago)

Have you ever spent Halloween here, Morbs? They've closed down the Castro for it, but it still feels like a City Holiday to me. I'll be very curious to see how SF takes this Pres. Election; the last two have been very traumatic.

― Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

I haven't, but large rampaging crowds often scare/annoy me.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago)

I was considering Nov 1-6 (I hate Halloween)

Nov 1 is Dia De Los Muertos. Good choice.

― rogermexico., Friday, 8 August 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago)

i'm pretty excited about my first american halloween - it's really not something that's celebrated in NZ, and gets barely any attention (apart from a few halloween-themed dance parties).

― Rubyredd, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago)

Dia De Los Muertos in the Mission is always fun

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago)

What Shakey said.

― Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago)

Nov 1 is Dia De Los Muertos. Good choice.

hah! i'm actually leaving the city that week for tucson because their day of the dead festivities are so much better. it was fun here last year, but only like 1 in 5 were actually dressed up for it.

― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 8 August 2008 17:06 (sixteen years ago)

see, I'd go to Dia de los Muertos.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 8 August 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago)

it is not nearly as nuts/obnoxious/nauseating as Halloween in the Castro - the emphasis isn't really on public drunkenness, its more about the parade

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 17:57 (sixteen years ago)

Halloween in the Castro is awful.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago)

hipster donuts on 24th and york. kinda good (serve 4 barrels coffee). kinda weird. i had chocolate spiced (with savory spices on bottom) and caramel apple bacon. yes, i said bacon. i'm still undecided. the wife loved them.

― jaxon, Friday, 8 August 2008 23:42 (sixteen years ago)

^ oh, it's called Dynamo and is in what looks like a makeshift (but really nicely done) garage

― jaxon, Friday, 8 August 2008 23:42 (sixteen years ago)

?! is that brand new or something? that's right around the corner from my house.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 23:44 (sixteen years ago)

HAI GUYS I MAY VISIT SOON

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 8 August 2008 23:47 (sixteen years ago)

?! is that brand new or something?

i only heard about it on wednesday. went this morn.

― jaxon, Saturday, 9 August 2008 05:07 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.yelp.com/biz/dynamo-donuts-and-coffee-san-francisco#hrid:wHZOo4EKIbyVuwYXCEEiKQ/query:dynamo%20donuts

― jaxon, Saturday, 9 August 2008 05:08 (sixteen years ago)

Whatever happened to that donut store on Mission that was open 25 Hours a day? I don;t even recognize what that turned into, but I miss the 25 hours a day aspect of it. BTW I walked right by you Jaxon about a month ago at the Civic Center, by the porta potty there.

― svend, Saturday, 9 August 2008 05:22 (sixteen years ago)

haha?

― jaxon, Saturday, 9 August 2008 05:40 (sixteen years ago)

was it in the morning? i wait for the bus to work in front of opera plaza.

― jaxon, Saturday, 9 August 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago)

Burgrs N Donuts RIP

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 9 August 2008 06:20 (sixteen years ago)

btw I just walked down 24th St this afternoon and did not see this Dynamo Donuts place so either it was closed or they don't have a sign or what...?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 9 August 2008 06:21 (sixteen years ago)

it's pretty low key. it's on the east side of the street in (like i said) pretty much a garage. i wanna say the house is a toned down lime green? i forget.

― jaxon, Saturday, 9 August 2008 06:38 (sixteen years ago)

Just a reminder, we hit the road today and will be in SF the evening of the 17th through all of the 20th, heading back early on the 21st. Would love to meet folks for drinks, meals, Giants games, etc. I'm not quite sure how to convey my cell # to people, but maybe I'll figure something out by the time we hit Sacramento on Thursday.

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 11 August 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

sorry me no available, back in the studio this weekend - Jaxon I saw this donut place, (I think it was closed when I walked by before and there's no sign out front...?). is literally right around the corner from my house tho, will have to investigate...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

I've been to SF twice, both times in August. Headed there tomorrow - can't believe its in the 60s... And I'm trying to pack two weeks of clothes for 2 types of climates (going to LA and Vegas after SF & Portland) into a carryon bag. Damn you SF August weather...

― phil-two, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 05:50 (sixteen years ago)

fogust

― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 06:45 (sixteen years ago)

it's nice in the south bay when i'm trapped all day in a barely air conditioned (saving money lolz) cubicle

― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 06:46 (sixteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

hello, SFers -- i will be in stockton from sept. 15 until halloween. entertain me!!

― Eisbaer, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

hey, you guys were v helpful with the restaurants on this thread. what do y'all think about One Market? Cortez? Bar Crudo? Bar Tartine?

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago)

One Market is good but kind of a business venue in my mind. Cortez is okay but a bit expensive for what it is. Haven't been to Bar Crudo but everyone I know who has been liked it. Bar Tartine is excellent.

― Michael White, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago)

one market is overpriced and not very good

― akm, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago)

oh wait never mind, i was thinking Market Bar at the ferry building. One Market I've still not eaten at. but yeah it is a business-lunch place. Lots of ties.

― akm, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago)

yeah One Market is where I send the company execs to impress clients

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago)

I like Market Bar! I don't think it's over-priced. Same people who run Florio, btw.

― Michael White, Monday, 13 October 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

the veggie sides at Market Bar sound good

wow, look at that Angel Island fire. I guess the season there is over now?

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

Blue Angels firebombed it

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 October 2008 16:42 (sixteen years ago)

Bar Tartine is great.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 13 October 2008 17:20 (sixteen years ago)

La Mar Cebicheria is awesome and along the lines of Bar Crudo with better food and similar prices.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 October 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago)

One Market is boring and by the numbers.

Cortez is also very blah.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 October 2008 18:35 (sixteen years ago)

that La Mar place looks interesting

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 19:05 (sixteen years ago)

Steve, you know Bar Crudo is moving to Divis & Fulton?

― Michael White, Monday, 13 October 2008 19:07 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/stars-shine-third-edition-michelin/story.aspx?guid=%7B90CC9EA5-A2C5-48F8-AEDD-CB94F46E9881%7D&dist=hppr

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 19:27 (sixteen years ago)

any east bayers or san franciscans going to APE (alternative press expo) the weekend after next?

― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 03:12 (sixteen years ago)

My wife was executive chef at Bar Tartine for a little while (before she got way too pregnant)! I hear the new chef is really good.

― schwantz, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:51 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.zodiackiller.com/images/mikado1.gif

― and what, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago)

"any east bayers or san franciscans going to APE (alternative press expo) the weekend after next?"

I am probably going.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 19:11 (sixteen years ago)

Mos Def is in the process of moving to SF to be closer to his new boo.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago)

Congrats, Steve!

― Michael White, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago)

lol

― my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

Wow. That Zodiac Killer note is creepy as hell.

Bar Jules in Hayes Valley is pretty great, too

― psychgawsple, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 21:16 (sixteen years ago)

have to appreciate the creativity of the salt beef thing

― akm, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 21:30 (sixteen years ago)

Guys, Zuni is so awesome

― gabbneb, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

Out of the blue.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:31 (sixteen years ago)

-- tipsyneb

― gabbneb, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago)

― Michael White, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:35 (sixteen years ago)

lolz, saw mos def on haight street buying vintage clothing

― jaxon, Friday, 24 October 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

i would very much like to visit SF some time

― my other son is a zamboni (gbx), Friday, 24 October 2008 23:14 (sixteen years ago)

anyone going to the special screening of ghost world in berkeley tonight? dan clowes is giving a talk and signing books.

― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Sunday, 26 October 2008 23:35 (sixteen years ago)

not having seen this movie since it first came out - and also having a terrible memory for storylines - i'd forgotten how funny this film is.

clowes did a q&a, the highlights being these:
girl: "so what does the ending mean, when she gets on the bus?"
clowes: "i don't think i should have to tell you that" (paraphrased)

girl (sounding oh-so-clever): "so what is the significance of 'enid' as an anagram of 'daniel'?"
clowes: "there is none. it's like those literary devices that people impose on fiction that were never actually put there by the author" (paraphrased)

― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Monday, 27 October 2008 16:05 (sixteen years ago)

Berkeley

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 October 2008 16:42 (sixteen years ago)

You should have asked him what he thought about Art School Confidential.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 October 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago)

"it's like those literary devices that people impose on fiction that were never actually put there by the author"

Damn you literary critics!

― Alex in SF, Monday, 27 October 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago)

"You should have asked him what he thought about Art School Confidential."

He shouldn't have to tell you that.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 27 October 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago)

What a cranky-pants.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 27 October 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago)

gah I didn't know about this, would have gone.

― akm, Monday, 27 October 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago)

Art School Confidential is one of the worst movies I have ever seen

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 October 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago)

i don't remember a single thing about it so it can't have been that bad

― akm, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 00:15 (sixteen years ago)

Bar Crudo is fucking excellent. my rich accountant friend took me there a bit more than a month ago. the raw Hama Hama were the best food i have ever tasted.

― the table is the table, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

also went to Cafe Claude with my parents three weeks ago, and was pleasantly surprised. though the atmosphere was a bit much for me, my Coq au Vin was amazing.

― the table is the table, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 00:27 (sixteen years ago)

Gary Danko - OMG

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 05:34 (sixteen years ago)

gary danko - MEH

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago)

if I had the money you can bet I'd be taking a zeppelin ride:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/28/MN8K13P1J4.DTL

― akm, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 16:09 (sixteen years ago)

LOL, relax Steve, I went to in 'n out too

― gabbneb, Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:25 (sixteen years ago)

after I did the angel island perimeter road

― gabbneb, Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:26 (sixteen years ago)

alex, did you make it to APE?

― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Sunday, 2 November 2008 03:03 (sixteen years ago)

I didn't (it was/is out gross outside.) Did you?

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 2 November 2008 05:04 (sixteen years ago)

yes! it was pretty great. we got the huge kramers ergot 7 book, with the letterpressed print, and got 13 of the contributors to sign both the book and the print. matt groening signed it! also got about 15 books signed by chris ware, plus kevin huizenga (sp?) signed a bunch of stuff for us. we spent waaaay too much $$$.

― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Sunday, 2 November 2008 05:09 (sixteen years ago)

graphic novels/comics aren't really my thing, more my boyfriend's thing, but there was some really cool artists there, like alex pardee and skinner.

― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Sunday, 2 November 2008 05:10 (sixteen years ago)

four months pass...

Will be in town tonight through Sunday. I know I'm seeing a band with my sis and some friends of hers tomorrow night, beyond that it's kinda open.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:14 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Hoping someone (MWhite? lurkers? anyone?) would be able to give me some pointers w/r/t to Chico, CA.

Searched the archives and found lol this:
women who hate men

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago)

me: have you ever been to Chico, CA?
[my accountant]: yes
me: what is there to do?
[my accountant]: smoke out

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago)

The one guy I know who is from Chico pretty much did nothing there other than smoke pot and get drunk.

― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, everyone I know who has spent time in Chico - smoke pot & get drunk are what there is to do there.

― sarahel, Monday, 14 June 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago)

I know nothing about it apart from its party reputation. I think someone I went to high school with ended up stranded up there.

― If the US had a dictator we'd call him coach (Michael White), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago)

I went to a rad empty-nest party in Chico once. Punks all over with cheap twelvers, screwing in the bathroom... no a stick of furniture in the pad. I say CLASSIC.
― andy --, Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:49 AM (5 years ago)

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/It%27s_Chico_Time.jpg/200px-It%27s_Chico_Time.jpg

― Not the real Village People, Monday, 14 June 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago)

yeah smoke weed and do nothing otm

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago)

So far I've collected via IM:

Sierra Nevada Brewery
Bidwell Park (either at dawn/dusk)
Sacramento River
Almonds & Walnuts/Farmers Markets
There is an 18 year old girl from Yokohama who throws the knuckleball as a starter for the Chico AAAA team ww

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago)

what kinda pointers? my sis lives there and i visit frequently. Duffy's is a cool dive bar. Chronic Tacos rocks! the farmer's market is incredible. there's music at a lot of the bars, but only a couple actual clubs (eg the Fillmore in sf). the "record stores" there are among the worst stocked i've ever seen.
Bidwell is lover-ly. and yeah, i didn't know that knuckleballer made the team

― If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago)

thanks OM, any sort of sightseeing is handy. i'll be racing but when I'm not racing I'd like to do a bit of exploring (non-smoke/drinking unfortunately).

Food, parks, activities unique to Chico, etc.?

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago)

Chico is kinda boring, no doubt, but i guess the park could use some clarification. there's two parts to Bidwell Park. lower park is full of trails and trees like you would expect. Upper is where the creek is and it's a GREAT time of year for that. for example at Brown's Hole there's a huge rock (40 ft. high?) to jump into the pool.

― If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago)

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