Is ILX fatally diminished now that a lot of the more interesting ilxors such as Momus, John Darnie11e or Mark S. no longer post?

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This could well be the case...

Pip pip!

― nostalgic, Monday, 13 September 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago)

We've been through this. It's rubbish, yes.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

It's bad that N. doesn't post no more.

― the bellefox, Monday, 13 September 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Diminished it may be, but the final, fatal moment lies years hence, long after you have ceased to care.

― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago)

See some section of here:

Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's fatally diminished, though I do wish then fellows mentioned above still posted here. Did Momus ever do a "farewell u fux0rz" type post, or did he just stop? (or, for that matter, is he really just busy w/other stuff at the moment?)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm still posting.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

This thread implies that there have only been three interesting ILXors which is just mean.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Aja, apparantly, is back.

― Huk-L, Monday, 13 September 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Momus briefly posted on a couple of threads the other day, so he's not gone.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Yes!! (x-post to DV 'ere) Actually quite a few of then people who were here when I found this place are still posting quite regularly.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago)

THEY ALWAYS DO POOS IN ME GRABS FANNY THEN I COME IN

― GARU G, Monday, 13 September 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Momus has posted occasionally of late, here and there. Even John D posted once recently (I was hugely flattered). I desperately wish that Mark S would post as much as he used to, as that significantly ups the average intelligence, knowledge and funniness here.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

I miss Nate Patrin and Ethan.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago)

This Garu G thing? It isn't funny.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Momus was only interesting in that he posted asshat bullshit that caused people to argue with him for hours, and in that he was a celebrity. I think any of us could take care of the former if you think it would make ILX more interesting (I'm perfectly willing to take this position), and we've got Hurlothrumbo for the latter now.

I liked John D. a lot, actually, but the only thing that made him "special" (better than other ILXors) was his celebrity status. See above.

I don't even know who Mark S. is.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I am in a bad mood today.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

i like the idea of hurlothrumbo as a celebrity.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

he wrote about Cabaret Voltaire for SPIN! Almost tricked me into buying some in high school, the bastard.

(x-post)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Me too.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

God, ILE was so much better last week.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

We ArE aLl CeLeBrItIeS.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Who's Hurlothrumbo?!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

How can we make ILE better?

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

STOP TALKING ABOUT ILX.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

and ignore me.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Dan OTM

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 September 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

John D was more interesting than just his celebrity status: he's intelligent, sensitive, funny, and has interesting and sometimes unexpected tastes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I wish Nabisco would post a lot again. And that Josh would return. And that Tom would post on ILE again. And Tim H.

John D was one of the most consistently intelligent and interesting people here, and I formed that opinion before I knew he made music. (xpost)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Hurlothrumbo is from the great band Oneida (who make better music than Momus or the Mountain Goats anyways).

John D was more interesting than just his celebrity status: he's intelligent, sensitive, funny, and has interesting and sometimes unexpected tastes.

You mean like most everyone else on ILX? (This was kind of my point).

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

oo i remember the time we used to have much more meta threads - that's when it was really good. NOT REALLY OF COURSE, I'm just having a laugh

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

ILX will be so much better once I die.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

hey yall, I just stumbled acrross this site! you guys are funny but stop makin fun of those awful tabloid pictures of me!

― Britney Spears (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

momus and j0hn d aren't really much bigger celebrities than all you lot with yr vi11age voice pieces, you know

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

FINALLY A PLACE WHERE I CAN SHOW THE WORLD MY MAGIC PUNANI

― Christina Aguilera (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I think I saw John D's byline in Magnet before I ever knew who the Mountain Goats were.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

yo yo anyone here wann talk about the impact of ralph ellison on choclate starfish?

― fred durst (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Maybe if the Vicar left, ILX would improve, again, at last?

― the finefox, Monday, 13 September 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm still here!

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago)

i blame freaky trigger

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago)

momus is in japan/hong kong and probably having far too much fun to post with us, wait till he gets bored or poor in Berlin again.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

The bird would cease and be as other birds
But that he knows in singing not to sing.
The question that he frames in all but words
Is what to make of a diminished thing.

― briania (briania), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago)

n/a, John D is very well versed in a wide range of topics, some of which most ILX0rs don't know all that much about, or if they do, don't seem to be too interested in discussing, and he was always very funny and polite with it, too. That's not a very common ocurrence, even on ILX, and I don't think it's insulting to the rest of us to admit it.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Martin OTM about John D. It was months before I discovered that he was a musician, and a rather good one at that.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)

i enjoyed reading some of momus's posts, although less and less as time went on and he seemed to reduce himself to caricature. the ILM thread on the new le tigre single is a case in point: momus shows up, makes a statement that goes against what nearly everyone had been expressing, and backs it up with a nonsensical argument which he half-heartedly supports with overly artifical dichotomies, and then just gives up and makes bad puns until he disappears.

mark s i miss, but he's off writing two books, so we have those to look forward to.

john d i miss as well. i agree with daniel, he had a protean outlook, was usually polite (always polite to me), and he had a real moral sense.

in general i miss what i felt was a more permissive attitude toward taking small things about pop culture fairly seriously. this still happens of course, and any thread might turn interesting at any moment, but suddenly i feel like i must look over my proverbial shoulder when i make a long, involved post, concerned that someone will decide to hold it up as an example of my being silly or effette or just taking things too seriously or in need of "a life." (as if those who spend their time searching for posts they can make fun of are being much more productive.)

nabisco is around, but less than before, and it's his contributions i miss most by far. and felicity, but she's gone and i respect that decision. as i do with john (though i could have done without the fanfare accompanying his exit).

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Hey, we've still got Ned, Alex in NYC, Amateurist and lots of people whose posts I enjoy. (Did ILXs decline begin when I ceased being a lurker? I'm not convinced it declines anyway, really)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago)

i don't know about decline, but i think it's coarsened.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, if I had a nickel for every time some ninny declared "Immanent Death of ILX Predicted BY SCIENCE, Gratuitiously Explicit Film at 11"... I'd have...oh, about 15 cents.
(xpost)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago)

ILX has grown callused like the penises of drugged-up speed wankers.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago)

that's not inaccurate

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Momus is great, just not great to argue with. Sometimes when I can't sleep I picture him skipping down the streets of Berlin, whistling songs from "The Threepenny Opera" and informing random passerbys that their logic is tainted by modernism. Then I get a huge smile like DeNiro at the end of "Once Upon A Time In America" and drift off into dreamland.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago)

yeah, he's great to read. his writing style is very pleasing.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago)

By "pleasing" do you mean "not very different from anyone else on ILE who bothers to post more than two lines at a time"?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago)

by pleasing I mean he has quite a clear, structured writing style with no flash, which he uses to argue interestingly and extremely politely, considering.

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what he means, though.

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I miss Nate Patrin and Ethan.

I was thinking about Ethan and Nate the other day. I was reading the second chapter of Lord of the Flies.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago)

I think this endless nostalgia for the past is more detrimental to ilx than the absence of all of the great writers mentioned upthread.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago)

fwiw, I still think there are lots of ppl who post are as interesting and intelligent as the ppl mentioned who have gone, the trouble is that for the most part they are the ones who tend to post (sadly, I admit) in only one or two lines at a time.

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago)

It's not even TUESDAY you fuckers

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 September 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago)

oh for the simpler times before tom became a BOT . . .

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I think this endless nostalgia for the past is more detrimental to ilx than the absence of all of the great writers mentioned upthread.

That and having essentially this same fucking thread at least every two months.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with posting only one or two lines at a time?

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Obv ILX needs to start a recruitment drive to get more professional indie artists on the boards since the assembled office worker massive don't have time to write 6 paragraphs of undergraduate ethics rhetoric to keep you all entertained

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 September 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago)

every two ~~months~~ weeks

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago)

God, ILE was so much better two hours ago.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Re TOMBOT's last post: It's funny cuz it's true.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago)

This thread was so much better two minutes ago.

― BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Who do you want?

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Neil Tennant, Dizzee Rascal, Mark Lawrenson, that Italian chef from Saturday Kitchen.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Ooh - can we have June Sarpong too?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an ice pick
that made his ears burn
Whatever happened to
dear old Lenny?
The great Elmyra, and Sancho Panza?
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to all of the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?
They watched their Rome burn
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to the heroes?
No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more
Whatever happened to all of the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?
They watched their Rome burn
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to the heroes?

No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 September 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Brevity is the soul of wit, asshats.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

The Italian chef is a good call, Ronan. (please no June Sarpong)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago)

The soul of twits.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago)

This thread was so much better two posts ago

― beating the joke into the ground (Barry Bruner), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago)

ILX is going to be REALLY awesome in about a week or so, better than you could ever imagine!

― FROM THE FUTURE!!! (coco), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago)

dear future, who's going to win the NL wild card?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm still here. Fuck you, you fucking ungrateful fuckers.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Arizona (xpost, I KNEW MATT DC WAS GOING TO POST THAT)

― THE FUTURE (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago)

The future may be an unreliable narrator, wildcard-wise.

― briania (briania), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago)

(nb the "two minutes ago" post works much better if you show all details, ok thx)

― SEE I AM CLEVER (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm still here.

Ilx would be better if Matt DC did a cover of Elton John's "I'm Still Standing".

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Who'd I like to see here?

Kodwo Eshun and Tony Marcus would totally bring the party (also one more Ghanaian would be nice for Barima). My friend Steph (who has a new job at let's call it Posh Mag) who spent time with me, Tom and Ally would also be cool.

One or two bored artists and my friend Carlos, who is probably either too busy or paranoid about work to post from N0rm4n F0$t3r land.

Nick's around, yay. Just intensely gigging right now.

Neil Tennant would be funny (I adore him in the soppiest way) but I'd make him post as Uncle Neil. Yesterday I met someone who used to care for the guy who had the coolest house in Northumberland/Durham/whatever, which NT bought and fixed up after the man became too infirm to live there.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Hey Future, are Dipping Dots really like.. the THING up there?

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Eeek Nicole, which ILXor is going to be relegated to doing the crotch thrust on the front of Elton's car? (PLEASE DON'T SAY CUSTOS)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago)

I thought you would want to do it.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm still here.
Ilx would be better if Matt DC did a cover of Elton John's "I'm Still Standing".

-- Leon Czolgosz (nicole.kessle...), September 13th, 2004.

I kind of agree.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:59 (twenty years ago)

I am doing a cover of "Xanadu".

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago)

My "present crotch" days are behind me, alas.

We should throw this open to a vote. NEW THREAD! "Which ILXOR should be the crotch-presenting hood ornament on the car from Elton John's video for 'I'm Still Standing'?"

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago)

I'm doing a cover of "Abracadabra" by the Steve Miller Band.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago)

"Which ILXOR should be the crotch-presenting hood ornament on the car from Elton John's video for 'I'm Still Standing'?"

I want TOMBOT. And its my car so I get final say.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago)

All these n00bs are spoiling ILX

― Nu Skool (GerryNemo), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago)

It's a shame you had to do that Onimo, I always enjoy reading your posts, especially on football threads. Actually, you're one of the several reasons why I think the whole nu/old ilx thing that people on both sides of the debate get so het up about is a red herring.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago)

(Matt, how is what Onimo did any different from what TOMBOT or I have been doing? Or Leon, for that matter?)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago)

(Actually, it probably isn't, just ignore me)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago)

(Sorry)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:00 (twenty years ago)

im still posting

― big chaki (chaki), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago)

How long does one have to be posting to me an ILX megastar?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I've got about 20 minutes...

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago)

This is a really stupid thread. How typical it was a scummy cowardly wanker who started it.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago)

(Sadly Ned isn't fitting into my gmail account; perhaps I will uuencode him and send him in parts.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago)

(xpost Mark, are you not feeling the magic punani?)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:08 (twenty years ago)

I think ILX is pretty decent right now (better than earlier today when this thread started).

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Punani Panini

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 September 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

How bout right......now?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago)

no... wait for it... coming.... just a moment...

YES! ILX is good again!

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago)

no, wait, false alarm

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Wait, am I nu-ILX or old-ILX at this point?

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago)

old-nu.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago)

(TOMBOT has just rendered me completely irrelevant.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago)

In prime of years, when I was young,
I took delight in youthful toys,
Not knowing then what did belong
Unto the pleasure of those days.
At seven years old I was a child,
And subject for to be beguiled.

At twice seven, I must needs go learn
What discipline was taught at school;
When good from evil I could discern
I thought myself no more a fool.
My parents were contriving then
How I might live when I became a man.

At three times seven, I wexèd wild,
And manhood led me to be bold;
I thought myself no more a child,
My own conceit it so me told.
Then I did venture far and near
To buy delight at price full dear.

At four times seven I must take a wife,
And leave off all my wanton ways,
Thinking thereby perhaps to thrive
And save myself from sad disgrace.
So fare ye well, companions all,
For other business doth me call.

At five times seven, I would go prove
What I could gain by art or skill;
But still against the stream I strove,
I bowled stones up against the hill.
The more I laboured with might and main,
The more I strove against the stream.

At six times seven, all covetness
Began to harbour in my breast,
My mind then still contriving was
How I might gain all worldly wealth,
To purchase lands, and live on them,
To make my children mighty men.

At seven times seven,all worldly care
Began to harbour in my brain;
Then I did drink a heavy draught
Of water of experience plain.
Then none so ready was as I,
To purchase, bargain, sell, or buy.

At eight times seven, I wexèd old,
I took myself unto my rest;
My neighbours then my counsel craved
And I was held in great request.
But age did so abate my strength
That I was forced to yield at length.

At nine times seven,I must take leave
Of all my carnal vain, delight,
And then full sore it did me grieve,
I fetched up many a bitter sigh.
To rise up early, and sit up late
I was no longer fit; my strength did abate.

At ten times seven, my glass was run,
And I, poor silly man, must die,
I looked up, and saw the sun
Was overcome with crystal sky.
And now I must this world forsake,
Another man my place must take.

Now you may see within the glass
The whole estate of mortal man;
How they from seven to seven do pass,
Until they are three score and ten,
And, when their glass is fully run,
They must leave off where they first begun.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 13 September 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago)

i wish you'd post like that all the time!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:16 (twenty years ago)

sort of a more elaborate haikunym thing

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.matthawkins.co.uk/guts-se/graphics/end_credits/bomb.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

John D has last plane to jakarta -- he started a forum which is kind of modelled on ilx; Mark s has a blog and posts on freaky trigger, and I didn't think Momus had gone away (he sort comes and goes doesn't he?).

Basically most of the people mentioned have their words in print/blog so you can keep up with them -- and I mostly do.

Do miss andrew L, felicity and paul in santa cruz tho'. But I don't post or read it as much as a couple of years ago.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago)

Sadly Ned isn't fitting into my gmail account; perhaps I will uuencode him and send him in parts.

I was wondering what that funny feeling was.

(I'm glad I've been mostly busy today given some of the strangeness here, but personally I think all's been going pretty well.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.suite101.com/files/articles/101000%5C101842/braveheart.jpg
FREEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I quite miss Duane Zarakov

― rainy (rainy), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, he does post every now and again doesn't he?

not as much as before :-(

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah to Duane and Felicity. Don't think I've seen Mary around recently either, but we might be on different threads. I didn't think of Andrew L - he's one of my best friends and I'm in touch with him constantly, but it would be great to have him back here as well.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I've 'left', but I'm certainly here less these days. It's mainly because I'm having such a wonderful time in the far east this summer, and spending any spare time blogging, which doesn't just involve writing but also making little radio shows and photos and videos. I've also been on deadline for lots of journalism.

There have been times in the past when I was bored or unhappy in Japan, and came here to talk to anglophones because all my friends were Japanese and the level of discourse wasn't high enough. But this time hasn't been like that. I do lurk, but when I see New Answers lists bristling with 'sheepfuXors' and 'bootyflakes' I kind of think 'Why bother?' It looks like some weird jargon, not the Orwellian plain analytical English I enjoy.

Blogging feels more positive to me at the moment. I miss some of the sparring I used to do here, though, and I do think the intellectual level here is pretty high, when it needs to be. Still is. Nice to see a thread on Rudolf Steiner. And hey, isn't that JD person John Darnielle?

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh, no, it's not.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I love the development of odd language terms in ILE. It's given me a fresh taste of how languages grow and spawn. The last time I had such an experience was working in a kitchen with people of many continents and no common tongue. Many language games proliferated and in no time we appeared to have developed our own pidgin English/Spanish hybrid. It was stunning, amazing. I will never forget that. ILX has the same hothouse language tendencies, in written form of course.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago)

A little nonsense now and then
Is relished by the wisest men

(Roald Dahl)

It should be no surprise that ILX careens from extremely sharp intellectual sparring (by forum standards, let's not go overboard, because we should not flatter ourselves too much here - I've seen much, much sharper debate outside the forum format, and don't come here for deep insights into the nature of music - do you? Of course not - you read books and articles, where people have the time and space to develop their ideas without intrusion) to extreme foolishness.

Creative intellectuals tend towards word games. Therefore, I like the joking Momus just as much as the serious one.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago)

I just had a feeling that Momus would post to this thread by the end of the day...

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago)

It's morning here in Japan. And now I'm editing a piece about the Paris music scene for Index magazine, trying to make it more Orwellian.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago)

it's like a cat and a plate of chicken fingers, you know eventually when you're not looking he's gonna spring for it. wait, that doesn't make any sense at all...

x-post

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago)

That makes perfect sense!

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Any thread with "Momus" in the title is a sitting duck.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Australians in being accused of not using the Queens english non-shocker.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago)

That's 'Queen's English', please. I'm in edit mode.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago)

(Note to Ed: if we call it 'the people's English' instead -- anti-Monarchist stance, etc -- does that mean we have to mis-spell and punctuate?)

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago)

Strunk and White '08!

― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could find that blessed book. It slipped down the back of my shelves; and subsequently my English has slipped too.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

if colin goes away, then i will cry.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

awww colin's going nowhere. And that is such a depressing thought that a less enlightened man would cry.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago)

the people will have had to have done grammar at school though!

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago)

How about 'Momus' English'?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:15 (twenty years ago)

"i hate the bloody queen, and all 'er bloody rules
i hate the bloody queen, she made me go to school"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago)

It of course fills one with confidence, as always, when a thread like this comes up and the same older crew are mentioned as being missed, time and again, as if (as others have pointed out) no-one else here has anything of value to contribute.

I have meant for some time to start a thread about the value of short sharp wit or chat vs long thoughtful posts. Both have merit, and as Tom pointed out, a lot of us just don't have the time to sit about chewing on a pen and coming up with a 200 word essay on crunk (nor would I bloody want to).

I often make a point of trying to post something thoughtful and longer and it is either ignored or the thread dies. I am also consistently in the top 10 posters yet no one ever mentions me in any context (except to have a ha-ha at my ex-gothness, which I brough upon myself, I'll happily admit).

Is it a wonder I bother anymore?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:22 (twenty years ago)

whatever happened to, um, whatsername?

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago)

i loves ya trayce

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago)

Why are the posters that are always missed, and the posters who miss them, invariably all male? It's puzzling.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Duane Zarakov is a girl

― rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Thank you gaz :D

Look, I'll be honest - I piss about on here more often than not, and I can truly understand people's frustration at long threads which mean nothing to them, or people posting nothing but fluff. Horses for courses though, as I have tried my best to penetrate some ILM threads and I've no idea what people are on about. I don't even know what in gods green name crunk is.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Yes, you bastards, miss someone more worthy than I, I mean me! Miss a Miss!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago)

i know if the chicks stopped posting here i'd be out of here zzzzzzzzip like that

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I should go away in a large drama of shouting, just so I can come back in a large drama of shouting, plus all the men fawning on me. Seems to work for some.

(PS I am being extremely cheeky, do ignore me)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:32 (twenty years ago)

Momus is still in Orwellian edit mode.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago)

What is the male to female ratio on ILX? Does anybody know?

Oh, and I always enjoy your posts Trayce, even though we don't cross paths that often. I enjoy most peoples' actually.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Wait, am I to understand Momus has the eevil mod privs?

Thanks Kevin!

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill5.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago)

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it's like a cat and a plate of chicken fingers, you know eventually when you're not looking he's gonna spring for it. wait, that doesn't make any sense at all...
x-post

-- latebloomer (posercore24...), September 14th, 2004.

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That makes perfect sense!
-- the music mole (colinsbarrowREMOV...), September 14th, 2004.

Yes but does my confusion at my own post make sense? There in lies the conundrum.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill4.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill3.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I know what 'chicken fingers' are, so it doesn't make sense to me. Are they like fish fingers?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill2.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago)

ok ok still standing?

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:42 (twenty years ago)

I now have the chorus stuck in my head. Damn you Nicole! :)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill6.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill7.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.multiscan.com/cdrom/ImStillStanding/Imstill9.JPG

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I know what 'chicken fingers' are, so it doesn't make sense to me. Are they like fish fingers?
-- Kevin Gilchrist (KevinGil14...), September 14th, 2004.

yeah, just chicken instead of fish. we call the fish things fishsticks.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago)

Cool. I understand. I thought maybe you buy chicken feet from Chines supermarkets and cut off the toes. Then cats steal them.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:47 (twenty years ago)

That clip looks even more disturbing as stills than it did on TV in the 80s as a clip.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago)

yes, it looks bizarre and ritualistic as stills - like somne kind of profound and esoteric ceremony in 80's drag.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago)

What, Countdown you mean?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago)

TRAYCE ROXORS ALL Y'ALL TRAYCE HATAS R GAY OMGWTF?!?!?!?!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago)

I've been absent for 24 posts, did you miss me, fules?

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Just setting aside 'fules', should there reall be a comma there Momie? I would think a semi-colon may be more appropriate.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago)

HOIST!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago)

OWNED PETARD!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Ah, my cheer squad has arrived now, I see. =)

(Whoops - used an emoticon. Bad Trayce, no english biscuit!)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Barry Bruner was very funny on the Kraftwerk thread, so I'm glad there are different kinds of threads.

― youn, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago)

Emoticons are only cool when used by Trayce.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago)

:-(

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago)

Or Ned.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago)

:-/

― rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago)

Or rainy. But that's IT.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago)

john d i miss as well. [...] he had a real moral sense.

amateurist otm.

― youn, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago)

i stole that observation from nabisco, actually, because it's a good one and true.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:22 (twenty years ago)

I think there's much more of a moral sense here than you might think (though I agree that John's one of the clearest and most forthright on the point). For instance, I think it's clear that TOMBOT has a very strong sense of right and wrong, and expresses it very well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh nearly everyone here has a good moral sense, so it's unfair to single anyone out, esp when you're all buddy-buddy with them anyway. If anything, people here are reflexively hyper-moral and holier-than-thou.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago)

i dunno there's a sizeable "why shouldn't i shout epithets out of car windows if i wanna izza free country" contingent

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Vice magazine wars to thread..., no?

― ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't really consider that a measurement of one's morals, am.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:35 (twenty years ago)

Maybe if in every other post I expressed my utter outrage at all the dumbfucks who inhabit the planet with me, I too would be noted for my outstanding moral character.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:37 (twenty years ago)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:37 (twenty years ago)

i just think of all the momus/j0hn debates where momus pimps for absolute freedom and j0hn pimps for our responsibilities to our fellow man

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago)

(obv that's painfully reductive but y'know)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago)

Momus is Dionysos to J0hn's Apollo.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago)

I dunno if that deserves an excelsior, but it totally deserves something.

― ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago)

A large donation?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago)

a photoshopped illustration?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago)

total approbation?

(keep going...)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago)

with ned presiding zeuslike over all?

― ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Ned is the Beast that shambles towards Bethlehem to be born, remember?

how about you all massage me from head to foot? I'd love that.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:46 (twenty years ago)

and Kate is Boadicea and Trayce is of course Brunhilde.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:47 (twenty years ago)

this is some kind of weird pan-european pantheon man

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:49 (twenty years ago)

how about you all massage me from head to foot? I'd love that.

Ah, massage, now you're talking! Shall I tell you about the head to foot massage I had last week in Macao?

Maybe if in every other post I expressed my utter outrage at all the dumbfucks who inhabit the planet with me, I too would be noted for my outstanding moral character.

I think there's something in that insight. Sometimes 'morality is vanity': someone's moral stance is more closely tied with his ego than people allow. We pose and we preen, and what comes out is a moral position. I've been reading the history of the Opium Wars and it's amazing how the British presented as matters of moral principle and 'the dignity of the crown' the most mercenary and cynical gambits: land grabs, the protection of an illegal trade in narcotics. They were running opium up and down the Pearl River, but back home it played out in the press as a question of the dignity of Englishmen being mistreated by Chinese. A clear case for war! A moral outrage to be mentioned in Queen Victoria's address to parliament!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 04:56 (twenty years ago)

Must one express outrage to show a strong set of morals?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:01 (twenty years ago)

I think we should bring Chuang Tzu in on this one.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:07 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, no, it was Lao Tzu I was thinking of:

When the great Tao is forgotten,
Kindness and morality arise.
When wisdom and intelligence are born,
The great pretence begins.

When there is no peace within the family,
Filial piety and devotion arise.
When the country is confused and in chaos,
Loyal ministers appear.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Colin, there's a parent I know personally that might need to READ THAT IMMEDIATELY.

Oh! You're liking this steam bath and rubdown stuff all of a sudden? Turkish Baths for you when next in London (but go during mixed times, unless you want to get HEAVILY CRUISED as according to BOTH Stuart and Ed's dad, that's what happens on man days at Ironmonger Row).

Nick, it was ever thus: I'm waiting for GWB to tell Americans that the sky is orange, and John Kerry/anyone else to be called a sissy and 'too nuanced' for pointing out that it isn't.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:27 (twenty years ago)

Those who know don't talk
those who talk don't know
seal the opening
close the gate
dull the edge
untie the tangle
soften the light
join the dust

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:40 (twenty years ago)

He's kind of the opposite of everything I was ever taught at school.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:41 (twenty years ago)

I like this one:

as long as people fear death
the executioner will exist
to kill in the executioner's place
is to take the carpenter's place
who takes the carpenter's place
is bound to hurt his hands

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:49 (twenty years ago)

i think you're on the wrong thread: Wu-Tang spoken intros: POO

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 06:19 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 06:20 (twenty years ago)

should i post it over there then?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 06:24 (twenty years ago)

Speaking as one who has inhabited the 'top twenty' postingvolumewise, I'm pretty sure I'm not and never will be regarded as an ILX 'star' poster, much less a 'super', I have looked forward to the future posts of those that have been mentioned in the subject line..

Whether I agree with the basic tenets that they operate under or not.

Similarly, and possibly more individually, I don't even mind the really stupid ones, as long as they don't overdo it (calumm, etc, even garu g for no reason)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago)

I think the 'it's all men' complaint is an interesting one. I mean, I mentioned Felicity and Mary, but there is something there. The gender balance is more even here than many online places, but when it comes to the big serious debates, they seem to be disproportionately dominated by male posters (I'm not failing to notice the women involved in these, but there is less contribution from women there). It can't be the in-person dynamic where women get shouted down, as in print that can't be done, at least not in the same way. And despite this meaning that the men show off their intellectual qualities more than the women, I'm certain this doesn't mean that the women are less clever. When I think about the women here who I know are very, very smart, not so many of them seem to post in a style to demonstrate that overtly as much as many men. Is this a fundamental social difference? Are women conditioned more to debate less forcefully, to keep their opinions to themselves, to be sweet or loveable rather than brilliant? Are women less concerned with winning an argument? Is there a different debating style that my maleness and conditioning means I miss the point of? I think there has to be some sort of explanation for this. Or maybe I'm alone in thinking this?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago)

No you're not, I think about it as well but it's difficult to rationalise. I'm so used to male dominated environments online and offline tho.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago)

When I think about the women here who I know are very, very smart, not so many of them seem to post in a style to demonstrate that overtly as much as many men. Is this a fundamental social difference? Are women conditioned more to debate less forcefully, to keep their opinions to themselves, to be sweet or loveable rather than brilliant? Are women less concerned with winning an argument? Is there a different debating style that my maleness and conditioning means I miss the point of? I think there has to be some sort of explanation for this. Or maybe I'm alone in thinking this?

Maybe the men feel the need to show off their intellectual prowess whereas the women don't feel that they need to prove themselves.

I think women are more attunbed to the dangers of expressing themselves forcefully than men and less likely to fall into the trap of thinking that their subjective opinions are objective truth.

― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:10 (twenty years ago)

The cleverness of many of the women who post here is manifest in their posts. I don't think anything is being hidden. That they are happy to be intelligent without being ostentatiously intellectual seems to me a point entirely in their favour. (x post).

― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:11 (twenty years ago)

would 'standard english' do?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Haha I can think of so many examples when the women have weighed right in and been pretty forceful in The Big Debates. I mean, Kate, Ally, Suzy, Jody are not exactly known for backing down in an argument are they?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Felicity had a pretty spectacular way of appearing very sweet and demure while mercilessly destroying any argument in her path. It was great.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago)

It's a shame you had to do that Onimo

Now I've got flashbacks to all my "I hope you realise you've let yourself down most of all" moments :-(

multiple xpost

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:30 (twenty years ago)

with respect Matt, you only listed four women, which proves the general point about them being in such a minority, not that that really needed pointing out.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:37 (twenty years ago)

with respect Matt

I do believe he's trying it.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:38 (twenty years ago)

but matt listed 4 women, and 0 men, which kind of shows a majority of infinite proportions

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:44 (twenty years ago)

Acch, boys and their endless LISTS.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:45 (twenty years ago)

PWNED

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:46 (twenty years ago)

girls only like lists about cars and money

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:47 (twenty years ago)

I agree with the woman thing. I tried growing a beard, that didn't work, how about if I call myself "Uncle Starry"? That might help Suzy out too and kill two birds with one stone, eh, boys and gurls? Fancy a WERTHERS ORIGINAL?

Blech.

I've openly been called "the token woman" before now. It doesn't half make you doubt yourself. I quite expect I'm only on the blogs due to some token attempt at gender balance because I'm too much of a sh1t to post anything as recent form shows.

― Uncle Starry (hello chickens), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:48 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

Oh, stick to guestlists and the cars and money will look after themselves.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:50 (twenty years ago)

the tokens woman at the namco in nottingham is really nice and used to watch me play DDR sometimes.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:50 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, stupid woman. I am a man! Shall I list the ways?

1. Er
2. Bvgger this.

― Uncle Starry (hello chickens), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Token woman thing does resonate a bit. The flipside of this is the whole queen bee thing, where women actively seek to be on top of their little posse of submissive drones, and woe betide any other woman that wishes to play alongside. See also: Thatcher, M and Love, C (feminism being her Tourette's rather than a way of life; deep down I think the same psych switches are getting pushed as when a standard sweary Tourette's person says fuckshitpoo).

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:56 (twenty years ago)

The stories I could tell you about Steph T.

― the french connection, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Ah, FC, are you an actual member of le tout Paris (literary wing initials JZ) or someone who knows the meaning of, erm, sessions?

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago)

(if neither a friend of hers or mine, please don't be snarky about a colleague of mine on netweb please)

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:19 (twenty years ago)

I beheld the squalor of the Barbes flat first hand and lived to tell the tale!

― the french connection, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Thank you for that clarification (and you deserve congrats and/or some kind of health screening). I've known her for about five years through work and being neighbours; she's totally ace.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:32 (twenty years ago)

She\'s a fascinating and delightful person. (She\'s utterly merciless about portraying friends in her \"fiction\" though. Be warned!)

― the french connection, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:41 (twenty years ago)

yeh i like her as well

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:44 (twenty years ago)

(sorry, please continue)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:44 (twenty years ago)

I hear she's crap in bed.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago)

I hear she craps in bed.

― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago)

But only if you ask her to

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:57 (twenty years ago)

OI!

Frenchy, I agree totally and am also a writer so know the drill - fiction is like that. I think I'm safe next book as it is to do with faded poshos and the occult. I have just been telling her things like 'of course an endangered species like the poorer aristo is going to be schizoid and resort to the paranormal as a means of control, as wanting that sort of control over others/the elements/whatever is a schizoid impulse', tying it into anorexic rich girls who do same and the film Clueless: 'it's just my little way of taking control in an age of chaos'

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago)

The stuff I could tell you about Steph T...

― Uncle Starry (hello chickens), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago)

I must say I'm impressed with the poetic turn this thread has taken -- at the very least, I've counted Frost, the Stranglers, Lao Tzu and what I take to be a Childe ballad. Probably a Haikunym post in there somewhere, too. Diminished? Hardly!

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:03 (twenty years ago)

FUCK U FATTY YOUR FACE ISNT FUNNY

― GARU G, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago)

That's no way to talk to Elton.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago)

That's exactly how you should talk to Elton!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago)

That's how Diana used to talk to him and Elton would reply, "And fuck you too, you schizo skinny-assed ho"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Then they would giggle and drink champagne.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago)

And prank call Versace.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago)

I take it all back -- ILX sucks now.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand the last half of this thread. I'm not bothered if posters are male or female.

There are still plenty of posters who I greatly admire, and some I don't and many more who I don't really interact with despite having been around here since year dot. I've never had the time to get involved in 700-post sinker/momus/nabisco discourses, so I don't yearn for the days when they were common, but I guess it was nice to dip in and out of them. There seem to be lots of interesting new people too. Mind you, ILX would be fatally diminished if the Pinefox went away.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Dr C speaks the truth there.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I third this sentiment. (On the admittedly rare -- and that's my fault entirely -- occasions when the Pinefox praises my humor, I actually feel very pleased.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago)

This is a really stupid thread. How typical it was a scummy cowardly wanker who started it.

Markelby - you're nice.

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)

too nice?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)

I've always imagined Mark C. to have a Momus-sized penis. God knows why.

― altogether too shy to say, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Barry was in the Justify My Love video.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago)

wow but momus is like 6 feet tall!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

6 feet? More like 12!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I think it's a little funny how trife & I have become some sort of Bird/Magic inseparable ILX dichotomy or something.

Anyways. I initially stopped posting here 'cause I was mad at ILx. Then I continued to not post because I figured there wasn't anything worth contributing (exception: coming up with "conkies" on the Racial Slurs for Robots thread). I saw some ILM thread where everyone was trashing Beck in favor of some band I'd never heard of and was all "Meh. I'm'a go play MVP Baseball 2004." Didn't seem worth defending anyone's honor.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

dada you're thinking about momus's cock there.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

most pinefox posts seem to be just comments about comments made by the Nipper and N and more general noises that amount to not caring or understanding about whatever is being discussed. but hey if the absence of that was considered a fatal blow for ILX then fair enough...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

stevem's I've always imagined to be about average, maybe a little smaller than average.

― altogether too shy to say, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

dada you're thinking about momus's cock there

I'm not but, now you mention it, it seems to be a popular activity among ilxors.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't have a cock

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

when a 12 feet long piece of meat is being shoved back and forth into your mouth it becomes something that's difficult not to think about.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

People! You disgust me! This is what the phrase '12-inch remix' was made for!

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago)

this thread should be royally rogered into regal unconsciousness. and the person who started it should be made to clean up the 'mess' afterwards.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Gear's roomate started the thread? Suddenly it all makes sense.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago)

yeh this is how she gets her revenge on Geir, stirring up this old crap again

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago)

haha, excuse typo

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Would the cock-estimator on this thread please continue ? I find it amusing.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago)

but it wasn't gear who's been stirring up her crap.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Would the cock-estimator on this thread please continue ? I find it amusing.

I want these cock estimations graphed out on a chart.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

yo momus

― kephm, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago)

On a cliff butt naked, tootin on a flute
Ridin on a horse drinkin whisky out a boot
He's got the teeth and the wings of an African bat
His middle name is Mudbone and on top of all that

Yo Momus got the wooden legs with real feet
Yo Momus, yo Momus, yo Momus

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago)

I want these cock estimations graphed out on a chart.

ILX gets its own Official Penis Chart?

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Yo Momus, yo dada
Yo greasy greasy grandmother

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago)

tootin on a flizoot

― kephm, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Izz ILizzeX fatally diminizzed now that a lot of the more interesting ilxizzors such as Momizzus, John Darnizzelle or Mark ZZ no longer pizzost?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:14 (twenty years ago)

amateurizzt, surely.

― cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago)

surely you jizzest

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago)

ewww.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago)

El Guapo please save us all.

― Dale the Panopticalist (cprek), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago)

ILX is diminished now mark sinker doesn't post becos he was like, ... his writing was always accomplished on each level: the extra-semantic, the social, the level of ideas. Who can say that? Who can do that? He was like, a writer in every way. And he wrote a lot too. It's so rare.

― @@, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago)

"fatally diminished"? That's an odd way to say it.

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago)

OH NO SOME PEOPLE DON'T POST NO MORE THE BOARDS ARE DYING ARRGHHHHH

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Boy do I feel like a sucka for getting in on this bandwagon so late in the piece!

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago)

I don't know about any board fatalities, but a poster I would miss immensely is Nicole.

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Does Ramosi still post here?

― rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Then also there's Ecclesiastes:

Ecclesiastes 10:7

Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not enquire wisely concerning this.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago)

rainy:

A Difficult But Crucial Post For Me: Cleaning Out My Closet

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago)

― rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago)

yeh this is how she gets her revenge on Geir, stirring up this old crap again
-- the neurotic awakening of s (stevem7...), September 14th, 2004 10:18 AM.
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haha, excuse typo

-- the neurotic awakening of s (stevem7...), September 14th, 2004 10:18 AM.

how I hate teh rapp

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago)

A single sentence will suffice for nu-ILX: it fornicated and read the papers.

--Albert Camus

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago)

i do miss mark. but i don't actually expect much out of the boards. i think of my posting here more as a weakness than anything else, so i can't begrudge anyone taking their thoughts elsewhere. i hope to be able to do the same soon. i'm sure some people wish that i would leave as well.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:38 (twenty years ago)

-- the neurotic awakening of s (stevem7...), September 14th, 2004.

The absence of your pathetic whingeing from ILx would not a fatal blow, but rather a welcome relief.

Hey, Steve, if you don't like it here GO START YOUR OWN FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD!

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:54 (twenty years ago)

Ah. Tryin' it? Dinnae bother.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Anonymous snipers like, rilly rule, don't they?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:21 (twenty years ago)

I can't really be bothered to read the whole of this thread, but I'm assuming that by "interesting" you just mean "Famous" right? Sigh. I'm bored already. Can we talk about slash instead?

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:27 (twenty years ago)

Why not start a thread about slash then instead of coming on another thread and saying how bored you are with it I mean if it bores you then DON'T FUCKING READ IT!!!!

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:31 (twenty years ago)

Because any or all thread mutations would be more interesting than the usual tripe being dug up on this done to death thread. When was the first "ILX: not as good as it used to be?" thread started? About three months after ILE started? Or was it more like three minutes?

ILX was better when it was just random drunk talk about asses. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, don't read my posts. End of story.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago)

As opposed to the done to death tripe that you usually bring up on ILx.

You want random drunk talk about asses, go start a message board of your own and call it "Random Drunk Talk About Asses."

We are not here to entertain you.

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes you are. Come on, do a little dance for me, or I'll shoot your shoes out from under you.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:42 (twenty years ago)

You kinky dominatrix beast you.

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:46 (twenty years ago)

Did I mention that the B&D episode was on CSI last night? K-rowr! No wonder I couldn't get to sleep last night. I'm getting slightly worried that certain ads from awful music rags are getting kind of stuck together.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:50 (twenty years ago)

Can we just skip straight to the bit when Dr C comes in and tells Marcello to stop being so childish and shuts him up, rather than having to go through the same tedious nonsense for the 100th time?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:51 (twenty years ago)

Oh come on, I'm getting all worked up to post 100 photos of Julian Casablancas' ass in a row!

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Matt, DO YOU HATE FUN?

Kate bossing me around is getting me sufficiently worked up to post a thousand photos of Penny Smith's Doc Martens in a row!

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:59 (twenty years ago)

I read the greatest slash the other day about Mick Jones buggering the shit (literally) out of Carl Barat the other day. Wow!

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:00 (twenty years ago)

Kate Garraway in the Mirror last week says she's taken up boxing as a hobby and practises regularly with Penny Smith GOOD QUALITY VIDEOS ANY PRICE PAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:04 (twenty years ago)

It's such a shame that Libertines slash really isn't much better... but I suppose it's only to be expected, cause after all, they're not a band, they actually just *are* just fan fiction as written by Alan McGee and Geoff Travis. Blargh.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:07 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I'd be quite prepared to enjoy the sight, or even the thought, of Alan McGee buggering the shit out of Geoff Travis.

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:10 (twenty years ago)

OK, thank you, I have actually just snarfed my coffee all over my monitor, and my boss is looking at me strangely.

Witten *BY*, not *ABOUT*.

::bursts into giggles and tries to get coffee out of nose::

Though there was that Doomie/Alan slash that Mark S wrote once, to bring us round full circule...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:14 (twenty years ago)

I have started my own message board.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:21 (twenty years ago)

Is it about slash?

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:21 (twenty years ago)

it's about pathetic whingeing

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:23 (twenty years ago)

Where is it? I want to have a pathetic whinge! (About the lack of really horny Libertines slash!)

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Though there was that Doomie/Alan slash that Mark S wrote once, to bring us round full circule...

-- Danger Whore (masonicboo...), September 15th, 2004.

If you go here and then go down to the fifth picture on your left, you'll see a smashing photo of (left-to-right) me, Doomie and Mark S when we met up at that Portuguese bar in Brixton a year or so ago ;-)

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:25 (twenty years ago)

if only you were that funny

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:26 (twenty years ago)

"The 120 Days Of Streatham" ...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:27 (twenty years ago)

I love that "they're not with me, guv, honest" forced smile of Dud's.

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:31 (twenty years ago)

I was surprised by Stevem's unprovoked display of stupid vindictiveness.

― the chimefox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Stevem is a well-known fun hater.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago)

pinefox if you are referring to my reference to you upthread it was provoked by your approach on numerous threads, which I am perfectly entitled to remark upon with disapproval, as you are to my approach of course. you've been criticised for it before by others and i recall us discussing it before in the pub and your attitude seemed to be one of nonchalance, which is fine, perhaps even at times admirable, though also, at times, annoying. that said, depending on what mood i am in, i would say i am almost 'flattered' when you acknowledge my posts, which is an additional consequence of your approach, albeit one that you needn't pay any mind to i would fancy. that ledley king to eh?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago)

he's got a point you know

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

It's a large (and kind of mean) step from disapproving of someone's approach to implying that ILX would be better off without them, no?

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

YEAH BUT DO THEY HATE ASIANS?

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

even if they don't, you can still pretend they do, "randy."

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

asians suck.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

In the future, with VR retinal implants, you'll be able to choose what ILX looks like anyway - just set to 'Retro'.

― MarkH blatantly nicking Alba's idea (MarkH), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

The pinefox embodies everything that is wrong, wrong, wrong about ILX. Surely everyone agrees with this?

― the imsowackyichangemynameeverypostfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

i don't think i was implying that Archel. i think ILX might be better off without that kind of approach from people tho.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

OK "HSTENCIL" KEEP ON ROFFLIN'!

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago)

these anon trolls are just bizarre

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago)

WHOS YOU'RE FAVORITE J-IDOL

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I just inferred it then. Apologies. I still think it was mean though, but then I find about 80% of posters more annoying than the pinefox, so I would really...

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

ID LIKE TO GIVE RIO NATSUMI A GOOD SEEING TOO AS LONG AS SHE DOESN'T TALK AND SAY L INSTEAD OF R!

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

steve m, it's not a troll.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Is Randos related to Garu G? I'm gonna barf.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

hstencil, you would say it's more of a sprite?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

what's happened to the amazing randy?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

he's taken a back seat in favour of his Greek cousin, the Amazing Randos.

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

i think his ip was blocked ?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

randy was funny. this randos guy isn't half as good.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

xpost - no, it's more than likely a regular poster (or maybe a group of posters) who are posting anonymously. Why s/he/they have it in for me, I have no idea, but it's sort of unpleasant. Then again, I'm clearly not defensible, anyway.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

are they targetting you?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

that's because he's not posting in his first language.

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

can regular posters not troll anon? definition pedantry i spose. either way it irks.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago)

ken c - yes, quite clearly.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago)

stence, yr a treat, dont let these haters get you down.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago)

MY REAL NAME IS RANDOS

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

i never noticed. ah well. worse things happen though ay?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

he normally spells it Ρανδοσ

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago)

xpost - too late.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago)

greek = noise dude?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago)

what's too late?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago)

oh i see. there are so many conversations on this thread!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I love all of you. Deeply.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago)

me too. some more than others.

i wish randos will one day be as funny as the amazing randy.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago)

shhhh ken

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I like Slayer.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago)

but will they ever play the Beck Theatre?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago)

I hope so!!!

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I miss C-Man.

― steve reems, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago)

aim lower

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Vindictive perhaps, but certainly not stupid.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago)

The golden age of ILXing.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago)

C MAN IS MY HOME BOY

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Stevem, your judgement is nonsense and your unwonted, seemingly unending spite astonishes. I suppose I must have thought better of you than this.

It makes me wonder what the point of it all has been.

― the chimefox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago)

You people.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago)

this is what ILX is like -- everyone getting out of hand -- and nicole REELIN' 'EM IN.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I re-discovered I Love Comics, it's great! Though, I'm in a terrible mood of comic based nostalgia and my room is all dusty from getting out loads of old X-Men comics. I feel old.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

I remember a nice old X-Men comic where they were at a fairground. Or even a carnival. Do you know that one, Jel? It is the only one I can recall reading.

― the bellefox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago)

I vaguely recall a fairground based story, or it could have been Daredevil at Coney Island.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I find the basic premise of the thread worrying - the idea that there is a kind of cabal of talented witty ilxors who have buggered off and that the board is poorer as a result. Yes, I miss them, yes it is a shame, but consider this - the presence of witty, intelligent individuals who are liked by a huge throng of people can equally be seen to have a limiting effect. If ppl are in awe of them and feel that they are extremely highly regarded, they might feel intimidated and less likely to post themselves. So, once the popular, eloquent, intelligent ilxors of yore disappear, it can be seen as a tragedy, but, equally, it can be seen as an opportunity for new ppl, or quiet old ppl, to really shine and show their true mettle.

This does however highlight something else I find intriguing - the fact that the FAQ of a board and the activities of its moderators never account for the sum total of rules. There are further, unwritten rules which a community creates in a looser sense and sometimes lurkers and ppl who post only rarely can feel intimidated by this, too. They may feel wary of posting more for fear of transgressing these vague rules which ppl somehow feel are there, as opposed to actually set in stone.

Like, for example, how much can you mess about rather than just engage in reasoned debate? How much can you pretend to be someone else? How many pictures can you post? I think most of us would say that the posting of pictures is about as much about bandwidth as the protests outside parliament right now about animal welfare, i.e. only a bit. Just as the countryside lobby are effectively saying "Don't be so townist" as much as anything else, so a person who complains about someone who posts the same picture 100 times are saying "this hacks me off" as much (or probably, more) as they are saying "this is wasting valuable bandwidth".

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago)

BUT DO THEY HATE ASUANS?

― RANDOS, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago)

MarkH OTM. Also, I would like Nicole to come and sort out my real life conflicts please. Thanks.

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I would need a ball of twine.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago)

(X-Men in a carnival, yes: early-prime-period Claremont-Byrne, they're all hypnotised to become carny freaks. Can't remember the issue number.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:30 (twenty years ago)

NicGyver!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:30 (twenty years ago)

MarkH, as a newish poster I applaud you. Spot on.

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Also: some chewing gum and an empty soda can.

x-post

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Like, for example, how much can you mess about rather than just engage in reasoned debate?

i think there's a contingent that seems to mind if you do the latter.

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:36 (twenty years ago)

There's certainly a contingent that minds if you do the former.

(I accidentally typed "mings" and almost left it for comedic purposes but that would undermine my point rather than enhancing it, whereas discussing it as a meta-aside allows the interjection of the intentional humor while dodging accusations of messing about and never adding anything of value to ILX, which people seem to be quuick and ready with these days; it also allows for me to write out a full paragraph about something that only needed a one line explanation, bloating my post to the point where people can say "Ah, obviously you are intelligent because it took you longer than a minute to write that."

These are things that in a perfect world I wouldn't give a shit about. Although, now that I think about it, I don't know if it's so much that I care about these things as much as it is that I want to say something snide about people who do because I care about these things but DON'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago)

"One way of making sense of this mess might be to refer (gingerly, I hope) to auteur theory. Say Tom Ewing and mark s and maybe The Pinefox and Jess Harvell and N. are the equivalent of Ford and Siegel and Haks--intentional posters, sure, but unselfconscious even when they're pretentious. Ambitious craftsmen who think about their place in history--Momus, HUNTA-D, Macello Carlin--are more like Preston Sturges (when they're good) or John Huston (who offers more than meets the eye but can still be a real jerk). All the new guys, meanwhile, are like, how about that, Godard and de Broca and Bourguignon. La nouvelle ILX, they used to call it.

To extend the metaphor, you could say that each of the latter two groups has produced its Allens and De Palmas, too, and while away the tween-sets trying to figure out who's who. The question then becomes--where's Francis Ford Coppola?"

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago)

i'm confused. in whose voice are you writing this? what does it mean?

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago)

"Pinefox and Jess Harvell and N. are the equivalent of Ford and Siegel and Haks"

Jess is more like whoever directed Empire Records. Or maybe Pump Up The Volume. Miccio is definitely like whoever directed Gleaming The Cube.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:08 (twenty years ago)

So but the recurring theme of "ILX DYING" threads is that there used to be long "serious" discussions, right? Everyone writing giant posts and politely following one another's thought processes and smoking pipes and going "yes, quite, Dr. Pinefox, quite so."

Which is sort of true. But whenever I look back and see the threads that worked that way, it's pretty obvious why: it was always like ten people pretty much agreeing about something! It was like a bunch of guys at a bar talking about the Smiths, except writing it all down and using bigger words and nicer sentences.

There are way too many people here for it to work like that anymore. Which is perfectly cool and natural. But anyway so it seems strange to me for anyone to imagine that ILX has "gone downhill" because those posters have left. The reality is surely that the place itself has gotten a bit more crowded and rambunctious, and whatever posters yearn for some sort of sedate lucid serious-conversation have had to either adapt or just bow out. Sure, I miss when I first found this board and could stay on some sort of day-long mega-discussion about something fascinating and high-minded, but I also like the quality of the humor and the regional chats these days. So it's a wash.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Am, that post was written in my voice. It boils down to "I am fucking tired of feeling like I have to prove to a certain contingent on this board that I am intelligent because of my posting style; normally I really don't care but for about five minutes there I was feeling like a 13-year-old goth looking longingly at a Lacoste shirt".

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I can't see how having much more of you, Sinkah, Josh and so on having long serious discussions would diminish any of those newer positives, though. (xpost to Nabisco)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago)

dan: i hope you didn't take my post to imply that at all (that you ened to be verbose etc. to be considered "intelligent"). i certainly couldn't have a higher opinion of your intelligence, dan. and i don't mind the different kinds of conversation here, since i participate as much in the "regional chats" and other "dumb" threads as anything else. i was just noting that a few times in recent months, myself and a few other posters have been ridiculed for taking something seriously in a way that would have been par for the course not long ago.

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I have never knowingly agreed with the Pinefox. I reject this thesis.

I liked Daniel's auteur analogy though, mainly because I was mentioned.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago)

FWIW that's pretty much what I imagine happens at every non-karaoke London FAP, only cricket and crumpets are also somehow involved.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Actually life in the US would probably be improved if the government made everyone eat crumpets.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago)

(I see that the comedic half-life of the word "crumpet" is approximately 0.0000000000000000000000013 seconds.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago)

The right to bear crumpets is written in our unwritten constitution.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago)

crumpets only feature in faps in SoHo

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Soho, not SoHo.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago)

ts: crumpets vs. strumpets

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago)

i was just about to correct myself¬!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago)

LaPrell

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago)

-¬

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago)

i guess i've demonstrated how not to appear intelligent with your posting style

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:29 (twenty years ago)

always happy to be of service.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago)

i probably meant "how to appear not intelligent"

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago)

fuck i'm quitting this thread.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago)

[FIN]

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago)

i'm not even finished with the beer that i'm currently drinking, and after reading through all of this i feel like i need several more.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago)

(Am, my post was inspired because of yours but not because I felt like you were attacking me. Like I said in my analogy, it was a momentary pity party.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago)

This thread has been mocked by a moderator.

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago)

xpost

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago)

haha, I hope no one finds out where that quote was appropriated from.

nabisco, I don't think ppl are talking about what you described, or at least not exclusively about it. I mean, I get yer point - I've seen many early threads that read a bit like that, a very friendly atmosphere that perhaps didn't lead to that much actual debate (Miccio's tea party comment on one thread was very otm about this), but that time was long gone by the time I joined, in fact on ILM the overall climate was probably even more agressive than it is now (since it was around this time that a whole slew of new foaks appeared that in many cases weren't down with the Morley/Reynolds Freaky Trigger anti-rockism conglomerate of thoughts that the old guard repped for), but I still remember plenty of long threads full of insightful posts. And they're still around now, too, but losing ppl like mark s and John D means less people likely to start and/or engage in them. Not that I think that starting (yet another) thread about it is helping much, and thankfully ILX is so huge now that I don't really think that this type of discussion will cease to exist just coz a few folks have left (amateurist's thread on musicology is a good recent example), but yeah, they're missed.

The whole talk of Long, Inteligent Conversations vs Short Witty Banter seems pretty silly to me, tho, seems pretty obvious that a good forum needs both, and that the second option will be around a lot more than the first. I can't think of a time when the opposite was true re: ILX. Hell, I can't think of a time when the opposite was true in real life!

oops, John D almost never acting holier-than-thou was a big part of the moral compass that amteurist referred to! Moralist != moral

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago)

It reads like Christgau.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't referring to John D.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Miccio is definitely like whoever directed Gleaming The Cube

have I told you lately that I love you, Scott?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago)

As it happens, cuz I looked him up, the guy who directed Gleaming The Cube is a lot fancier than I thought. Not only did he edit Don't Look Now, The Man Who Fell To Earth, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and The Postman Always Rings Twice (the excellent remake), BUT he also directed Frances, one of my favorite movies. Hmmm, I might have to rethink this.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I got into a fight once because of Gleaming the Cube.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

you don't have to rethink it scott! I'm a lot fancier than you think too!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago)

i'm hella fancy!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago)

I rented Gleaming The Cube without watching it once. Now I have to see it.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Wait a minute, what did this fight involve?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

It's not worth it! Don't throw your life away...

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

That was one dramatic fight!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Me and my friend were over at her house snarking on how terrible it was and her brother blew up and called us a couple of hypercritical bitches who enjoy ruining people's fun.

Not that he wasn't right, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad movie...

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

The AMG review is pretty good:

Gleaming the Cube does for skateboarding what Over the Top did for arm wrestling -- i.e. not a
hell of a lot. Christian Slater is the skateboarding star, playing Brian Kelly, a sneering and laconic
teen outcast. He feels left out and envious of his adopted Vietnamese brother Vinh's (Art
Chudabala) success as an honor roll student and as the center of attention in his family. When
Vinh commits suicide, Brian is suspicious and rolls away on his skateboard to find out what really
happened -- and ultimately to avenge his murder. Brian's investigation is aided and abetted by a
sardonic detective named Al Lucero (Steven Bauer), a collection of skateboard aficionados, and an
incredibly attractive Vietnamese girl, Tina (Min Luong). -- Paul Brenner

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

who enjoy ruining people's fun

You mean you hate fun? *hides*

See, now if Paul Bremer had done the review, it would have revealed new depths.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago)

I just watched the trailer on IMDB. I have to see this. I'm not sure what the cube is and I have no idea how one gleams, let alone gleams the cube.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago)

it's really, really bad. not even fun bad.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago)

you have to eat and go to work and stuff. you don't have to see gleaming the cube.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago)

So it's bad like Xanadu when it's a romantic comedy as opposed to Xanadu when it's all glowing lights.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Lauren OTM. It was terrible in a dull way, not fun at all.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Is it better or worse than 'The Cube'?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Now that's one I haven't seen.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

haha it is really weird and atypical that I rented this without watching it. I've watched all kinds of horrendous shit. I've seen Prayer Of The Rollerboys. Maybe it was a sign. Alright, I won't rent it. But I'm soo watching a bit if its on TV.

And if this is true then why did you say I'm like the director, Scott? After watching the ad I was flattered but now I'm not sure.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

You like to keep the mic in frame?

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

prayer of the rollerboys is much better. DAY OF THE ROPE!

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago)

I got your mic in frame right here

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago)

It was the first thing that came to mind, anthony. Maybe cuz I said Jess was like Pump Up The Volume. He'll probably find that pretty flattering too. I was actually trying to remember the name of the bad stephen dorff movie where he robs a bank or something and he's a slacker and he sez slater stuff, but i couldn't remember it. It's got three letters, i think.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago)

prayer of the rollerboys

Argh, no...*withers as if covered in acid*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago)

you should all be ashamed, of yourselves. except the people I like.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago)

too. I was actually trying to remember the name of the bad stephen dorff movie where he robs a bank or something and he's a slacker and he sez slater stuff, but i couldn't remember it. It's got three letters, i think.

SFW! I should shoot myself for remembering this.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

SFW!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

when we got to the scene in Hudson Hawk where Bruce Willis flies out of the ambulance on a gurney amidst a ton of other crazy random crazy shit, ILX poster Herbert Herbert asked me if I was the director. that was flattering.

that Dorff film was SFW, which was like evil bad.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Ah jinx x-post!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

It is worse than Gleaming the Cube.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago)

The only thing I remember about SFW was the Robbie Conal poster design. It was like my late eighties/early nineties LA experience suddenly went national.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago)

SFW was said three times, so Dorff should appear on our screens saying that nothing matters.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago)

"when all the great themes have been turned into theme parks"

that's the only line i can remember from pump up the volume. i wanna see that again.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Remember when somebody got the bright idea to release a film called Feeling Minnesota, quoting "Outshined," only it was released years later and who gave a fuck?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago)

i hate stephen dorff. even though i like blade.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago)

whenever they'd play "I Will Dare" on the radio they'd say it was from the Feeling Minnesota soundtrack.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago)

I suppose I should be grateful the local alt-station was playing the song, but they made it rather hard.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAH

'That's "In Between Days" from The Wedding Singer...'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago)

"The title track to the new film, Can't Hardly Wait..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago)

sorry for helping to derail this thread. i can get it back on-topic: What would Momus think of Gleaming The Cube? And: Were the posts about Gleaming The Cube on old-ILX really long and thoughtful?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago)

haha scott did you ever see my student film?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago)

Scattered Gleaming ruminations of the past

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago)

haha i, sadly enough, own pump up the volume.

TALK HARD!

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago)

No, How would I have seen it?!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Scott, I think you'd like it and it would fit your theory: Fat Tony's Cancer.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago)

It's a lurvly film, Anthony's is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago)

Pump Up The Volume is an awesome bit of indie propaganda: IF EVERYONE WOULD LISTEN TO THE PIXIES THERE WOULD BE REVOLUTION!

I wish I'd seen it in high school. Though I was already pompous enough.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I love Pump Up the Volume! I don't care if it's pathetic of me.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I will watch it on Maria's new computer, Anthony. Mine is waaaaaaay too slow.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:20 (twenty years ago)

awesome! I'm curious what you'd think.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago)

do you still make movies? you should. everyone should make movies.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Nicole - I know you. Not your name, but your game.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm either gonna watch Mr.Hulot's Holiday tonight or the angelina jolie serial killer movie i got from netflix. it's a toss-up.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago)

that was my junior year project in film school, Scott. my senior year me and Herbert Herbert made a documentary about Christa McAuliffe (not on the net). Haven't done anything film related in 2+ years. A friend actually showed Fat Tony's Cancer to some guy somewhere on the MTV totem pole who was interested in pitching it as a series. I had really few ideas, though and didn't follow through on it. I'd learned from other film grads that those kind of things are like lottery tickets unless you put a lot of effort into it, and I'm not inspired or motivated enough in that direction to bother.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you really have to work that shit.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago)

it was really weird cuz a) the guy who was showing the film didn't work on it and b) it happened 2 years after I made it! When I watch the film now I'm really proud of it but it'd be hard for me to try and recreate. I was really inspired by all the bad shit my fellow students were making and without that environment to bounce off of I just have no real motivation to make more.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago)

re. gleaming the cube, i've always just pictured some guy sitting on his sofa at home, polishing this silver cube with a dishrag.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago)

be honest: you'd do that before you even heard of that movie.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago)

that was pretty much my evenings before i discovered ilx

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago)

That actually paints a rather poetic picture amst.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Yet nothing can to nothing fall,
Nor any place be empty quite ;
Therefore I think I will gleam this cube
Until it shines, its surface so bright.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't think i was implying that Archel. i think ILX might be better off without that kind of approach from people tho.

-- the neurotic awakening of s (stevem7...), September 15th, 2004.

Translation: "I think ILx might be better off if everyone agreed with me."

The Pinefox is worth a million of you, was here before you and is therefore your elder and better. If you can't show due respect then FUCK OFF NEWBIE because we're not going to change in order to service your indolent idiocy.

We are not here to please you.

― Jimmy Gator, Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:42 (twenty years ago)

Remember when somebody got the bright idea to release a film called Feeling Minnesota, quoting "Outshined," only it was released years later and who gave a fuck?
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), September 16th, 2004.

"Looking California" is coming out in April 2007.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:53 (twenty years ago)

If anything fatally diminishes ILX it's posts like the penultimate one.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:21 (twenty years ago)

Methinks this Jimmy Gator is stirring the effluent. Its rather tiring. As one of the so-called nu-ILX I take exception to having elders or betters, especially when they're probably younger than me. Young whippersnappers.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:30 (twenty years ago)

You're not *nu* Trayce, are you?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Jimmy Gator is some guy called Marcello. Has a bit of a thing for me. Too bad the pinefox couldn't recognise my criticism. I expect we will both sleep well tonight regardless, though perhaps not in the same camp, or indeed bed.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:38 (twenty years ago)

(I read up until about the middle of this thread and then decided to post this. The topic of discussion may have moved on since then.)

Just FYI (yes, I'm still up):

I'm too afraid to get involved in a lot of debates here, because my personal points of view differ so widely from those of the great majority of people here. I've definitely changed in a lot of ways in the past 17 months of participating in this forum to where I'm not as intolerant as I used to be, but at the same time, there are certain things that are non-negotiable, and I'm never going to be dissuaded from feeling the way that I feel in those areas. My goals and intentions for sticking around ILX have changed since the first time I logged in around here; previously, I'd been looking for intellectual stimulation, but now I want that PLUS a sense of acceptance, a sense of feeling that at least half of the people around here like me, perhaps regardless of what my personal opinions are. So I strive to be as noncontroversial as possible, keep many of my thoughts and ideas at bay, not reveal what it is that goes through my mind in public unless it's also noncontroversial or at least is something that the great majority of individuals here can agree with.

It's also rather difficult for me to get involved with ILX for many hours on end, unless I decide to stay up all night, like I'm foolishly sorta attempting to do right now. I don't dare to get involved at work, because I know my employers and I know my chances of being a target of their ire and disapproval would be rather great if I did anything entertainment-wise online. So I stick with my usual round of academic-oriented sites, which they seem to not have any issue with. And my schedule is so tightly packed that it's a challenge even just trying to maintain a presence around here.

I wish I could post things around here that would gain me some sort of intellectual respect. I wish I had that kind of mental reservoir to draw from. I wish my ideas and ideals were such that I could share them all with you, without editing, without fearing that I'd provide more fuel for those who wish to despise or discount me. (I really hate being disliked or dismissed.) I wish I had more time to involve myself with a lot of the non-controversial discussions around here. As always, I wish my musical trivia knowledge extended to much more than just the one musical artist. I wish I could contribute so much more here, because I certainly don't want to get viewed as one of the wastes of space around here, a void only willing to discuss the most trite and everyday of things.

I guess what one wishes and what one gets are two completely different things.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:39 (twenty years ago)

(Oh yes, and I suspect a lot of other individuals might feel similarly, in at least one or two aspects of the above.)

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:43 (twenty years ago)

you're better off out of it luv ;) having access to it at work is both a gift and a terrible, terrible curse.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:46 (twenty years ago)

As a total aside, Ive been here a while and honestly, who is pinefox anyway?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:47 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah i've been here about two and a half years now, newbie indeed!

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago)

pam berry's backing band

xpost

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago)

steady now mr noise

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago)

Dee, I have much respect for your intellect, FWIW.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:08 (twenty years ago)

the surface noise (slight return)?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Dee the last thing people want is a forum full of people saying just the same thing. Differing opinions, put in a considered manner are what stimulates debate.

That said, I do know where you're coming from. This also ties in with the stuff about women in online discussions above, but I often stay clear of a lot of bollocks on ILM with subjects I do know about because I either:
Can't be bothered to waste my day typing at a load of people who won't respect my viewpoint anyway.
Or
Can't face being shouted down. Ego is a fragile thing. I ned to be in a fairly bolshy mood to wade into the fray.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:46 (twenty years ago)

I wish you'd post more on ILM Anna. Likewise Alba, Toby, Porkpie, Markelby, Starry. I know there's a lot of record collector bollocks (sometimes from me!) but it would be good to get some fresh perspectives.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:52 (twenty years ago)

Dee- one of gd things about ilm is the presence of the archives and that you can request info from others on subjects you're interested in. More often than not, I found that people try to help.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago)

-- the neurotic awakening of s (stevem7...), September 16th, 2004.

I ain't got nuthin' for this ornery dude Steve.

― Al Swearengen, Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:24 (twenty years ago)

ILM is NOT THAT SCARY. It's really not. I spend a lot of time on ILM (sad, i know) And people rarely get shouted down and most people are respectful of each other. Does it get "spirited" and bitchy and dumb and silly and rude? Of course it does, but so does ILE. Start threads on anything you want or on anything you love. Or revive old threads on stuff you like. ILM can be a lot of fun. I don't like fighting or scariness on the internet either. I wouldn't hang out on ILM if I thought everyone was out to get everyone else. You know? There are always gonna be jerks and people looking for a fight on any forum, but it really is the minority on ILX. On all of ILX.

For pete's sake, I just started a thread on ILM about a lollipop! Everyone loves lollipops!

Let Me Get This Straight: If I Play The CD-Rom That Comes With My Lollipop I Can Sing Along With It And Become A Superstar?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:29 (twenty years ago)

ornery? and who might you be?

(xpost)

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:30 (twenty years ago)

Aw, Dr C, that means a lot. I do occasionally have a go, but essentially I agree with Anna. So maybe I'll post once in a while about B&S or Throwing Muses or Mega City Four where I know I can stand up and be counted, but otherwise...

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Steve, he's obviously some kind of orner. Good job too - ornery is a dying craft.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago)

he's got the orn alright

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:42 (twenty years ago)

He does - but not for you petal.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago)

*tries to mask disappointment*

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Proposition: ILX would be greatly improved by the reintroduction of duels (with rubber chickens).

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago)

don't tell me you broke your hiatus just to post on this sorry excuse for a thread??!

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

It saddens me that the atmosphere on ILM is such that someone who is an experienced and very good professional writer on music, with plenty of knowledge and understanding and intelligence, finds it too hostile.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago)

she's got more sense, as have you.

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Proposition: ILX would be greatly improved by the reintroduction of duels (with rubber chickens).

I prefer dance-offs.

"You got served, Carlin!"

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago)

I do not dance. At least not in public.

There are robust reasons for this.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago)

I need help.

Actually, John Darnielle's forums just threw up a better discussion (of addiction amongst many other things) than I've seen on here in a long time.

I should be posting less, as I should be reading less. Haha the other thread that I read recently was the one for the previous Club FT! This one should keep me clean for another month :)

(the answer to the thread question is yes. Sorry, but it is. Two of the three listed, though they have the rhetorical skills to pay the bills, were also interested in discussion as (godhelpme) a journey rather than a circuit. Ned and Alex, entertaining as they are, don't have this.)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Disclaimer: those are the words of someone trying to quit from here, take them as you would those of someone in a messy breakup. If you are happy here, be happy.

(I'm going to blame my ignominious return on reading 45 during my break, and understanding the importance of fucking things up)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thedigitalcottage.com/cslater/Movies/GleamingTheCube/images/gtccsboard2.jpg

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I think that is actually an interesting remark re 'journey rather than a circuit'. it's perhaps a shame that the person who started this thread could not be bothered to develop their question better from the outset so that we may have avoided so much circuitry on here.

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago)

The person who started the thread just wanted to stir up trouble obv.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm foolish for getting sucked into it, but then a poorly founded question can still result in an interesting thread.

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago)

Ned and Alex, entertaining as they are, don't have this.

Aw. But I sympathize, in that generally speaking I'm more hit-and-run here at this point (but then again thus my Freaky Trigger posts, where I'm not, at least as much).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago)

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~davidrice/images/Bigimage/utcpic1.jpg

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Cryptic!

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:01 (twenty years ago)

The last time I saw Gleaming the Cube was in high school, at my asshole skater friend's house, and his family had this weird houseguest, who was this guy in his mid-30's who just slouched on the couch watching it with us, and every time one of the skaters in the movie did a trick, he said "I could do that...once."

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago)

This houseguest wasn't married to Matos's mom once, was he?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Now you know I love you, Ned, but that kind of post is one of the reasons I felt happier quitting. It's a miracle no one has mentioned Gear's roommate yet OH WAIT.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago)

TS: One-off references to funny stories vs bitching about quitting but continuing to post

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago)

IOW if it bothers you so much, fuck off already and stop taking time to insult people who aren't hurting you.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago)

You're right. Apologizing for being ill-tempered is no excuse for continuing.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago)

the thing I don't get about this thread is that I can't really see many posts saying "yes ILX is rubbish" and I can see about 99 saying "No ILX is not rubbish you pricks".

Who the you is I have no idea.

As regards ILM, it's still a good place I think, there is a good buzz about talking about new things with nice people who like them too. Simple truth is I don't know anyone in real life who likes some of the stuff I like, not cos it's crazily obscure, I just don't know people who like it. That's where ILM comes in.

I have never felt it to be too intimidating but then as far as debate goes I don't mind much. I'm probably more intimidated on ILE to be honest. I know where I am with records!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I know where I am with records!

If you ever get yourself a column, this should go under your picture byline.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Also, no girls post on ILM so its a bit less scary.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago)

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago)

It's depressingly true. The black side of all this "fun" clubbing.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago)

but girls aren't scary, they're girls!

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago)

They still make me pee my pants, a bit.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago)

well once you've done it it must be a great relief all the same.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Stop projecting, piss boy.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago)

They still make me pee my pants, a bit.
Erm...that's not pee!!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago)

you have Alba's pants?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago)

a woman knows these things

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago)

you have Alba's pants?
Well not exactly, but he just kinda strikes me as that sort of guy! ;-)

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I agree with the surface noise (slight return).

― the pinefox, Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago)

there are women on ILM.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago)

as opposed to HRT?

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago)

que?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Women on the verge of ILM.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago)

anyhow, Scott's post up there about the non-scariness of ILM is otm.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago)

THIS IS WHY IM SO IMPORTANT TO ILE. WITHOUT PEOPLE LIKE ME, RANDY, CALZ AND THE LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE LOADS OF CRRRAZY NOIZE DUDES TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY HATE ASIANS AND WOMEN, AND CREEPY OLD PEOPLE COMING ON TO THE FEMALE POSTERS. YOU LOVE ME.

― RANDOS, Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

THEY HATE JEWISH AS WELL

― RANDOS, Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago)

I strike people as the kind of guy who comes in his pants? Great.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago)

just live with it cum-boy

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Altogether now:

Cum-boy Alba lord
Cum-boy Alb
Cum-boy Alba lord...

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I have nothing but the highest respect for N., whether or not he blows his wad in his pants.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Penelope's post has just made me pee my pants.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)

To answer the original question: No.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't agree with the pinefox.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps like Ronan read ILX but feel a greater poster comfort zone with ILM. It's less convoluted usually.

But really I miss pre-ILX altogether when I could write things in a timely fashion for any other forum/medium/purpose etc. Sadly I cannot drag myself away.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago)

Nobody told you ILX would be this way
J0hn Darn1elle has left
And Momus is awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 September 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago)

christ.

maybe all us newbies should just fuck off (as in fast show quote, not in pique)

i mean, is there any legitimate way to become old skool ILX without having been an ILX newbie at some point?

or is nobody reading this because i amn't old skool.

wait, i'm confused..

― Darraghmac, Friday, 17 September 2004 02:30 (twenty years ago)

fuggedaboudit and just keep going.

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 17 September 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago)

THE CUERVO GOLD
THE FINE COLUMBIAN
MAKE TONIGHT A WONDERFUL THING

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago)

"Hey newbie, that's J0hn Darn1elle
you don't remember the mountain goats
No we can't post together
No we can't talk at all"

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:02 (twenty years ago)

pervy

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago)

No, Perry

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago)

I'm a fine colombian!

― ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:11 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that's what Fagen's talkin bout jer.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:13 (twenty years ago)

god that steely dan song rules. story: i was working on a play at my high school back in the days of yore, and after the last show, we were hanging out in the green room, getting ready to go out and get wasted, and i was blasting "hey 19" from the little boombox in the corner. this superfine girl named tracey walked in and said "oh i love this song" and started suggestively boogalooing around the room to it. a scene i will treasure in my mind 4ever.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago)

xpost

to be fair i think fagen was using a lot of columbian cocaine at the time

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:15 (twenty years ago)

GLORY DAYS WELL THEY'LL PASS YOU BY GLORY DAYS

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:16 (twenty years ago)

(cries)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago)

a man called darnielle
wordsmith of skill
they speak of him still

with bated
breath they waited
was it he?
no! not he!

just a newbie.

― Darraghmac, Friday, 17 September 2004 03:19 (twenty years ago)

I like you, sir. Stick around.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago)

anyone named darragh is a friend of mine.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Let's play "guess the song currently playing on AaronHz's iTunes.
Everyone knows that one.
Anyone who knows this gets extra special HIPSTER points:

"A wonderful wooden reason
To stand in line keep in line
Line up
Crash the sound
You lose your hand
To understand
The accident is red"

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:23 (twenty years ago)

Stereolab?

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:24 (twenty years ago)

Faust, isn't it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:25 (twenty years ago)

More specifically, Refried Ectoplasm?

argh xpost

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:25 (twenty years ago)

i just googled tracey and she works for the USDA! weird.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago)

(no one cares)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago)

NED -1
Adam- 0

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago)

Bum.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:28 (twenty years ago)

unless Stereolab covered meadow meal. then you get a half point. Did they?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Bringing the thread back on topic, lest someone accuse us yet again of proving the point of the thread ;)

I would direct doubters to the "People who believe God talks to them--What's going on?" thread. Even though it is a topic that can (and did) get heated and personal, it is also chock full of some interesting and thoughtful posts, including yours truly making an effort to contribute with something more meaty. Now, I did this mainly because the topic of conciousness, dreams, spirituality etc interests me greatly. But I'm no expert - I decided to write something long abd thought out anyway because here, we've been charged with... well, not trying hard enough.

So, bring it, ya barstools. I'm ready.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Aaron: not last I checked.

Trayce, she who rocks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago)

And I may have no university education, and not be terribly well read (no, really) and get laughed at for daring to admit I *actually like* Sylvia Plath but you know what?

Fuck it. Bring it. I'll 'ave yers anyway.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago)

*bows* why thank you Ned =)

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:35 (twenty years ago)

x post (barstools?)

i dunno, that kinda sounds like an awful lot a hard work.

and yes, i did just paraphrase stiffler from american pie. that's not good, is it?

― darraghmac, Friday, 17 September 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago)

*bows* why thank you Ned =)

:-D

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago)

on now:

"If I only could deceive you
Forgetting the game
Every time I try to leave you
You laugh just the same

Cause my wheels never touch the road
And the jumble of lies we told
Just returns to my back to weigh me down"

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago)

DMX?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAHA no

The best part about this will be the wrong answers

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago)

i'm rather late to this one and rather off-topic, but i do post quite a bit on ilm, dr c; more than on ile, anyway. on the other hand i guess i essentially live on a few threads (kompakt/general dance music/stuff that you find in the wire), so you probably don't see me. i don't find it scary, though.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago)

I like "stuff that you find in the wire".

You like grime, Toby. That too.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:39 (twenty years ago)

i do indeed. i'd forgotten that. i like lots of other stuff too (i suspect i read most of the threads where dr c posts), i just don't tend to write much about it.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 17 September 2004 06:52 (twenty years ago)

i mean, is there any legitimate way to become old skool ILX without having been an ILX newbie at some point?

you can't become old skool - you either are or you're not. (once a n00b always a noob etc)

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:21 (twenty years ago)

This is all rather silly.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:25 (twenty years ago)

you can't become old skool - you either are or you're not. (once a n00b always a noob etc)

Yes, just pretend like you've been here a long time. Most people can't keep track anyway. People are surprised as hell when I remind them when I started posting:
"Oh, I thought you had been here much longer!" etc.
I'm just gonna stop reminding people starting now.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:43 (twenty years ago)

Haha tes, you could pick some old shooler username who doesn't post here anymore, and claim to be them!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:43 (twenty years ago)

Drift along
Drift along
Gonna find them
Drift along
Gonna find them
Drift along

Need to make is special
Need to make it new
Looking for the action
Something more to do
Underneath the pavement
Towers in the clouds
Gotta find the action
Need it soon
Right now

Drift along

Cause I've been searching for all the people
I used to turn to and
All the people who knew the answers
Let's get the feeling again

Back in sweet suburbia
Middle of the road
Looking for the action
Everywhere I go
Need to make it special
Need to make it knew
Looking for the action
Something more to do

Drift along

Cause I've been searching for all the people
I used to turn to and
All the people who knew the answers
Let's get the feeling again

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 17 September 2004 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Why are there 2 simultaneous "This Is The Thread Where I Say" threads now?

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago)

the end is nigh

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:16 (twenty years ago)

Advice For New ILXers

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago)

Fragile seams
I opened up too quick and all my dreams
Were walking out I'd slowly
Lost my fire
With every single man a river cried

I had no sensation
Completely numb, left with no satisfaction
I thought no-one could ever get me high again
I swear
I was not looking

Oh, waited so long
I thought the real thing was a fake
I thought it was a tool to break me down
You proved me wrong again

If love were liquid it would drown me
In a placeless place would find me
In a heart shape come around me and then
Melt me slowly down
If love were human it would know me
In a lost space come and show me
Hold me and control me and then
Melt me slowly down
Like chocolate

Tastes so good
My heart's been mended who'd have
thought it would
An empty bet and still I won the cash
A man who I love and who
Loves me back

Zoom in, catch the smile
There's no doubt it's from you
And I'm addicted to it now

Just one look boy to melt me down
Just one heart here to save me now
Your candy kisses are sweet I know
Hold me tight baby don't let go
Just one look boy to melt me down
Just one heart here to save me now
Your candy kisses are sweet I know
Hold me tight baby don't let go

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago)

that's a pie

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:36 (twenty years ago)

that's a wrap

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:37 (twenty years ago)

Trayce, I kiss you.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I like RJG, and Sylvia Plath.

― the bellefox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 09:52 (twenty years ago)

http://thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi?ref=old-ILX
http://thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi?ref=nu-ILX

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago)

eighteen years pass...

Mark S news.

― the pinefox, Monday, 5 December 2022 22:07 (two years ago)

RIP ILX

― ian, Monday, 5 December 2022 22:10 (two years ago)

lol two of the 3 mentioned in the OP still post here regularly

― sleeve, Monday, 5 December 2022 22:15 (two years ago)

tension between messagebord as “discussion forum for participating in discussion” vs message board as content generator

― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Monday, 5 December 2022 22:29 (two years ago)

or rather, message board as place for people to act out their bits rather than having conversations

― bit high, bitch (gyac), Monday, 5 December 2022 22:37 (two years ago)

I was new when Momus was still around and I was completely perplexed by what his deal was

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 04:08 (two years ago)

pip pip

― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 04:15 (two years ago)

God, ILE was so much better last week.
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, September 13, 2004 8:32 AM (eighteen years ago)

DJP OTM

― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 04:23 (two years ago)

Past is a foreign country and organic society has always been gone iirc

― Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 05:15 (two years ago)

Cripes I was a mouthy git in this thread!

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 05:41 (two years ago)

message board as place for people to act out their bits rather than having conversations

― bit high, bitch (gyac), Monday, December 5, 2022 3:37 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

so otm and it feels like it's gotten worse

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 15:54 (two years ago)

Sorry :(

― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 16:34 (two years ago)

so what happened

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:58 (two years ago)

Momus will never return!

― | (Latham Green), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 18:16 (two years ago)

Did mark s leave?! I don’t want that to be true

― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 19:52 (two years ago)

It isn't.

― Gulf VAR Syndrome (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 20:14 (two years ago)

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