This is SHOUTING-for-MODERATOR thread pt. III!! [derailed: go to thread IV]

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Use this for actual proper requests if you can. And link them...

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

standard rubric:

This is the thread where you ask moderators to delete or modify posts or threads elsewhere on ILX, or you alert us to stuff happening elsewhere on ILX that you think we shouldn't know about.

A quick reminder - the idea is that as few posts as possible get moderated or deleted. If you've posted something and you now regret it or are embarrassed by it and it's about yourself we probably won't delete it, for instance. If you've revealed a real name other info about somebody else then we probably will. ILX assumes people are intelligent and responsible and able to think before they post.

If you don't want to alert the moderators publically then email one of us - though this option might take longer.

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark s's real name is james marsters.

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

delete the "tell me about big l" thread on ile please, before it gets any answers (i'll ask it again on ilm)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is (was) here:

tell me about Big L

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I tried to delete it Mitch, but I kept getting "message load failed".

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

(try again jel, a product of the daylight saving masterplan)

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

my thread rEAler/
than your vest with threads of stEEl and/
stop the net tricks/
you bitches can't delEte it/
mods vexed, they twitch, they can't fEEL this/
go on jel, Tom - lock down my URLS/
i've done my jail time - now peep my "message load failed"

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I tried again, and not only did i get the same message, but i fux0r3d it up and posted a message to the wrong thread as well!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

mitch!! so corny....

― st (simon_tr), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fixed. (I disabled my own admin priveleges a while ago so wasn't able to test it myself)

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanx graham.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't toy with my emotions James Blount!

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark would you have any objections to retitling this thread with CAPS so that it's easier to pick out of the NEW ANSWERS?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey Moderators! I posted a gigant0R image here:

http://www.ilxor.com/thread.php?msgid=3463703#3465813

Somebody wanna delete one of those? Sorry! I fucked up!

― hstencil, Monday, 14 April 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do we really need a dog fighting / unlicensed boxing thread?

― james (james), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hello kind mods! Could someone please de-Google-fy all the J@ck and M3g Whites and the M@arcie Bolens in this thread?

brushes with greatness (again)

I was shooting off my mouth (as usual) and, well, don't want it to come back to me if ya know what I mean?

You are the bestest mods in the whole world and whoever fixes this for me will earn my undying devotion.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

This will get you closer....

brushes with greatness (again)

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

can someone delete this inexplicable double post? thanks!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mmmmm... could someone de-google-fy the rest of the J@ck, M3g and M@rcie references on that fucking famous people link? I'm gonna get paranoid, and you wouldn't like that!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm on it aaron

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aaron, could we just change your name/login on the post? Might be easier/more effective.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Any solution would be cool... I wasn't gonna bother bringing it up but I can't stop thinking about someone googling and seeing my lame posts. Hence... paranoia!!!

Thanks guys. I kiss you all.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I (and another mod person) got them all. Let me know if I missed any. People, please remember that google will pick up on this stuff. Please keep posting this great gossip stuff, but remember to anti-googlify if trouble could ensue!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you, thank you!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just found out I can read ILX on my mobile phone (WAP). I'm flabbergasted, stunned, overwhelmed. It's amazing. So my request is, because you have to scroll through so many threads, can you put in a feature that places the interesting threads at the top of the list? You know the good ones that people want to read. Funny, interesting ones. What do you mean you can't....hey....wait a minute....

It's true though about the phone and I am surprised. And pleased.

― Skottie, Monday, 14 April 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Really? There's no specific support for this, though it was once roughly planned. Are you just typing the address into your WAP browser, or are you using an HTML convetor like Google's? Can you view other sites with it?

― Graham (graham), Monday, 14 April 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

With the site being so text-based, it's not surprising that it's compatible. I've actually been surfing ILX regularly from a Blackberry or a Palm Tungsten. It actually works reasonably well with the Tungsten, except for the fact that I can't log in properly so it's impossible to see only the last, say, 50 posts on a thread, which means the longer threads get truncated. Oh well.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 14 April 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I actually typed in www.google.com and then when that miraculously worked, I searched for "ILX new answers". The link showed up and I clicked it and it loaded just fine. It's obviously split into multiple pages, but loads quickly and works well. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary with the phone (a Siemens), because I don't know how to do anything out of the ordinary with it. I've visited others sites with it, but so far only ones that I knew were WAP enabled like Washingtonpost.com and theonion.com. It seems to ignore photo posts--obviously they wouldn't show up, but it's cool that it doesn't try to load them. It was quite cool.

― Skottie, Monday, 14 April 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Then it's going through Google's HTML to WAP convertor, so it's nothing special about our site. I used to regularly use a Psion organiser + mobile phone to browse - it works pretty well, and you can login kinda, and post.

― Graham (graham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 00:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

The concept of "WAP" and "enable" being used together baffles me.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 07:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

The concept of "WAP" and "enable" being used together baffles me.
-- Mark C (boyincorduro...), April 15th, 2003.

Yeah, okay, sorry. But I think that was my point. I could actually read something I wanted to on my phone.

― Skottie, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do we really need separate Pee Chronicles and Urine categories?

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

That does seem pretty unneccessary.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Only "pretty"? Clearly it's a fool's errand trying to find a book in your library.

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does she use the Poo-ey Decimal System?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

can a kind moderator out there re-size the picture I posted on this thread: Supermarkets. Sorry about that.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, I've been meaning to ask for ages whether someone can combine the IL* Events and ILX Events categories, as I'm forever searching in the wrong one.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham sorry for the urinary overlap; that was me last nite in a pique of pee. I shall deal with it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

and hstencil I'm leaving your big image. Resizing it won't reduce the file size at all. Besides it looks funny like that.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

pretty please if one of you has a moment, delete my first three (!!) attempts to post a pic on the new "whatcha look like" thread - I think the last one works, though

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 17 April 2003 06:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

um, if someone has a moment can they please go into the ALL CAPS thread on ILM and do something about the post directed towards me? I don't give a shit if you delete it, but I want to know who the hell this is if there's any way to find out.

If you want to delete it that'd be cool too.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

(bump)

pretty U&K if anyone's up

― jones (actual), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally: done

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

thank you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 05:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

can someone delete this botched post?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

what botched post?

(done)

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone please go to this thread and A) delete the posts with my name I didn't make (the ones with the "garance80@yahoo.com") email B) please find out who is posting as me?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why are all the threads getting creepy?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

FYI I have just registered the fake Ally that they are posting as, because it IS one of my old email addresses so I don't feel dodgy doing it, so maybe that will curtail it.

― Ally. (fakeally), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Removed.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex is OTM about creepiness, I think it's getting time for me to remove myself from ILX again.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's too bad. :-(

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it's getting time for me to remove myself from ILX again.

Gawd, that would suck. Can't you post under an assumed mane for a while?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

gah "assumed mane" = "assumed name"!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I almost threw up over something that was posted about me over the weekend. Between that and this I'm genuinely bothered.

Haha I will post to ILX with a fabulous wig, I have a really nice black one I could wear.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hope you don't get driven away, Ally. We'd miss you terribly.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, don't let a stupid impostercon scare you away.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

This place has gotten really depressing lately.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know - can anything be done abt it? Ally, moderators are here to deal w/any creepy shit that is thrown in your direction. Stick around, please!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes indeed! Don't leave, we will track down the evil.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reading the start of a rape fantasy about yourself = not condusive to staying on a message board.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's the depressing bit, the mass defection from ilxor. Some people foolishly believe that a few trolls and psychopaths don't affect the board, but stuff like this points to the fact that it does.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

rape fantasy? wtf? who pulled that shit?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have no idea who is pulling it, and that's why it's freaking me out.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's just a wee bit too graphic to be even remotely considered "funny" and/or "harmless."

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Agreed. Time to circle the wagons me thinks.... I feel mad too.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mm, now I remember the post. I'm not surprised at Ally for feeling the way she does at all.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did anyone check the IP address before deleting it?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

where the hell is it? whats the ip of the poster?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

time to take some muthafukkas out me thinks

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, it's the same person who posted a picture of me in the "Show your visage" thread or whatever, the one that was a really old pic of me and was captioned "THis is who I'd like to be...or rock the casbah with" something like that. I've got a psycho net stalker, charming. That was for the ones pretending to be me, I don't know who the rape guy was.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

ps: Ally - please don't go, so saith Londonbeat. You know we totally gotyer back girl.

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, listen to Londonbeat. James speaks wise words.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Man, who'd ever have thought Londonbeat would come in handy for, well, anything. Yes, echoing the above, thrice times more.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

well thank you guys, I appreciate it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Grrrr... Between Ally's psycho net stalker and Ant getting beat up I'm ready to organize a ILx posse.

Er, IP address?

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

We're trying to determine again which thread this was on. This sounds like something the moderators need to discuss for future reference should something similar arise, since we'll need that info.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

It was on the THINGS TO BE SAID IN ALL CAPS thread. *shrugs* it was deleted, don't worry about it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some people foolishly believe that a few trolls and psychopaths don't affect the board, but stuff like this points to the fact that it does.

Trolls are one thing. They're a fact of life. But when you read something that just makes you feel gross inside... that's altogether different. We gotta get rid of this shit not just for Ally's mental health (although that's the biggest thing), but for everyone's.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Discussion on this is kicking in on the ilx-moderators list. All moderators not on this list might want to join.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Moderators who lost the invite to the mod email list, or *gasp* never got one, should email me and I'll make it happen.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Secret discussion of ME! It's so scandalous.

Seriously, guys, I appreciate it, you are the men who will fight for my honor, etc, but it's really ok, just delete the stuff and I might go away for a while if it keeps up, it's not really anything you can do anything about.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

more calum-ny

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

actually the argument about being shot in the nuts bears some weight

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

blount you want this deleted?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

you guys have taken over half of the recent threads. c'mon now.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

hell yeah - take em out brutha!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sigh. A mod who can look at stuff at work please visit:

British groups storm the American charts. Not.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

(done, aaron.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

James, you should register your name.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey James i took out the offending post as well as "wtf?" style follow-ups

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks Jess.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

he pulled the same on "geir hongro classic or dud" and i X'd em there too.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was clearly Mr. C@lum Robert W@ddell posing as James, btw. If you want to give credit where credit is due.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah I registered my name like Michael Jordan or something. sigh. on the other hand, swans.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

The operators of this forum know what I object to and I'd ask them to respect it.

I also object to the post I recently made on ILE asking for feedback about a creative endeavour, the thread was hi-jacked by James Blount and I'd ask the moderators to delete most of the posts there as I was wanting serious and considerate feedback. I'd like to see evidence that Mr Blount is producing anything in his pitiful life.

If ILM/ ILE wants me to post serious threads then it should really think about the reaction to said attempts. Whenever I try (recent examples include White Stripes thread on ILM, my other thread on ILE) James hijacks it and acts like the inbred, redneck idiot he is. I have no problem with people voting Bush - it's up to them, but that doesn't mean I need to have their idiocy all over my own threads.

― Calum, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

where did I say I voted for Bush?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calum like I said the mods shouldn't be deleting swans. However more reasonable requests, like keeping your full name out of posts, will probably get a better response.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

where did I say I voted for Bush?

Probably the same place where I pretended to be a womyn, which is most likely near the same place I advocated censorship, etc, etc.

I suppose thee only metaphor I can think of is this stand-up comic, who plays thee same club again & again & again, despite his act being med w/a response somewhere between indifference & open hostility. Under such circumSATANces, two options present themselves:

1/play at another club

2/modify yer act

But then if you repeatedly rip on the regulars at the club, in an obnoxious and personal manner far, far beyond what most people expect, then after a while people might feel a bit grudgey, like, and it might be a bit too late to modify yer act in any kind ov way that will work. (shrugs) It's a shame, yr obviously not actually stupid, but I find it hard to understand why you act the way you do. I just don't understand.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I honestly respect that, but the point is that I feel I'm damned if I do anyway because my honest threads were hijacked as well...

― Calum, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cal - I'll make a deal, I won't hijack your 'honest' threads if you don't start any more 'dishonest' thread - deal?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

James,

I don't think many of my threads have been dis-honest.

To explain - I agree some strange ones have been posted and... well, I can see how they wound folks up - but recent threads such as the one about Emma Bunton and Nicky Wire on an airplane... I thought that might've been just a laugh rather than 'dishonest'. I mean, where do you/ I stop? - the Girls Aloud thread seemed fine to me whereas, yes I agree, a thread on Karen O's personal hygiene was inevitably going to make some folks think I was just being repugnant for the sake of it.

I guess it comes down to what you term 'dishonest'. The thread I once posted on Phil Collins the porn star never got any criticism, but the one on Emma Bunton's new video got loads. Yet which one was really more inappropriate for a music discussion forum?

― Calum, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

for dishonest read 'the ones who wound people up'. Think to yourself - could this thread be interpreted as trolling? If the answer is probably yes don't do it. We all know you like titties - EVERYBODY likes titties, and I really think if it had only been one thread that was 'so and so's is/isn't shaggable' instead of EVERY thread (initially) there wouldn't be any kind of conflagration - look at kate's Julian Casablancas thread which was almost as much of a yay for masturbation-athon as your threads but didn't spark half the outrage because 1) kate has been here awhile (a long while) and so people knew she wasn't being a troll and 2) she didn't start five or six similar threads every day and then whine about political correctness when someone called her a bore. Follow the model of your disney thread or your screenplay thread. Avoid image posting threads. Selfcensor diligently at first if need be.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

(+ dare I say, if using certain language would cause a punch-up in real life, best not use it)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

(and your "treat me like a nice boy and I won't flood you with shit" line is pretty naked blackmail, and I'm sure you see how little real respect that will win you)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Unable to connect to SQL server. TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE.

I WUV that message.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is great

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've done internet law and know that I'm perfectly within my rights to ask for the removal of my full name from the server.

Which is all I'm asking for.

― Calum, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

'internet law' = rubbish

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

'internet claws'=to be feared

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

internet coleslaw=tasty!

― hstencil, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

'internet slawdogs'=scrumptious

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

God I haven't had a slawdog in a long time

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

freedom coleslaw = even bettah!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calum has been Google-proofed in that thread. Sadly, some of the swans had to go before I could save the edit.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 01:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sadly - right

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 01:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan = Swan Killah!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Daniel James Perry

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 02:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't see why everyone's so against getting rid of those swan pictures. One is pretty, several hundred are more than annoying. I, for one, find it very easy to skip over the stuff that Calum does, but it's more of a hassle to deal with the swans! I don't have any problem with you James B., but I think whatever it is you're trying to accomplish with the picture pollution couldn't be worth it. It's like you're covering your ears and shouting "LALALA" to not hear something that offends you, but in the process you're also shouting down all other conversation in the room.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 02:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Im not against it, I just find amusement in your new role as SWAN KILLAH!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 02:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

if I'm not against it I can't imagine anyone else is

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 03:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Conflating Dans: C/D Vs. doing the same with Nicks???"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 03:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

(in the interest of Dan P. not taking any flack (flak?) for my own less moderate preferences)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

your forgetting the various 'alex in _____'s!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 03:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

although they're actually pretty easy to keep seperate

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 03:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

The swan pics, remember, are a scrolling problem, not a page size problem. It's just the one little pic, which is loaded once, and printed over and over.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 03:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

How do you use extraordinary powers?? Like precognition & remote vewing? Cause I have both powers but dont know how to use them. And I cant cast any GOOD spells to move me frome place to place.

― Shannon Nichole Keger, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 23:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Would a moderator mind removing this post I made on the American Sports thread which contains a really stupid and pointless racist joke? It was made in the spirit of "hey let's be politically incorrect!" the thread momentarily took on, but is actually quite mean and I think would reflect badly on ILX for any newbies who happened upon it. Also I apologize to anyone who was offended by it (though I guess there's a whole other thread for that).

― chester (synkro), Thursday, 24 April 2003 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I know the one you mean, so I changed one of your posts, but I'm even kind of in the group you may have been worried about offending and I wasn't even offended. :) Sorry if I got the wrong one.

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 24 April 2003 02:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can somebody delete the duplicate Nikki Taylor thread? It's hella-annoying.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just curious... moderator type, could you please check if "Scott Kos" is really C*l*m?

I don't want to debate the issue any further. I find the thread creepy, but it's worrying me if this is either the work of C*l*m or the legacy of C*l*m.

― kate, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

ILX: Creepier every day!

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

If it's just C*l*m trying to "rearrange our sensibilities" or whatever his excuse for his trolling is, then fair enough, whatever. What I'm worried about is that random new people will wander in, see the C*l*m threads, and think that *that* is what ILX is about, thus lowering the tone of the entire board and making it totally creepy and hostile towards women. One troll is easy enough to ignore, but a whole influx of new people who don't understand what it's all about is rather more worrying.

― kate, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

there is no way that is calum

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think it is either, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

AAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!

There's more than one of them, then? I'm feeling seriously creeped right now. Like I need a bath or something.

― kate, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

link?

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's the Nikki Taylor Girl thread.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Nikki Taylor Girl

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was the one, Felicity, thank you. Girlfriend (who is Korean) got mad over it, so she at least will be happy it's gone. I also agree that this place has had a stronger anti-social creep element recently and I didn't want to contribute to that. Plus leaving the beaneaters comment just makes me sound happy-stoner rather than Manson-stoner :)

― chester (synkro), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Was it necessary to delete the "Nikki Taylor Girl thread" after the poster in question had actually apologized? A thread containing the phrases "banal intercourse" and "masturbating geek" cannot be all bad.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Upthread I asked for one of the threads to be deleted because the asshat had originally posted not one but *two* identical threads on this topic.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

- Offensive threads. At their discretion, moderators can delete entire threads which are likely to cause offence. It happens very rarely - threads which are racially or sexually abusive are the most likely. Even then moderators might not delete the thread, if an offensive question seems likely to provoke debate. If you find a thread offensive, please say on the thread or email a moderator about it.

I think that posting random rape fantasies to a public forum is pretty much the dictionary definition of sexually offensive. I didn't ask for the thread to be deleted, but I would defend the action as being within the realm of moderation.

― kate, Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

BANAL INTERCOURSE GOES AWAY?! FUCKING A.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, the phrase remains as long as your libidinous imagination remains entact. ;-)

― kate (suzy), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are you saying my fantasies are banal, kate? ;)

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

One 'b' away from the truth

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not doing much to disprove your 'men are weird hornballs' theory, am I?

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd say not too much

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, your *life* makes my fantasies look tame, so I shudder to think about your banal fantasies!

― kate (suzy), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bingo.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Right, which one of you bastards told Kate about the 12" limp cock story?

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stop bragging Miccio

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can some mod please add a 't' to this thread title: The Greates One Line in Hip Hop History (no rhymes allowed)

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

come now, that's part of its charm.

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean this person didn't even ask for an edit:

In this thread you can post someone you've done in the last month that you're proud of no matter how small.

(favorite typo ever)

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha!
(But...please?)

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

NO.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just curious... moderator type, could you please check if "Scott Kos" is really C*l*m?

It doesn't appear that is his work via any address he has used before.

I didn't see the duplicate thread myself but wasn't about to delete the thread myself right away. Strongy to the creep side it was though.

We don't (or we aren't suppose to) fix typos. Now if you want Measter Bond in there I'll do that for you just to be fair.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

But there's a reward in it for you!

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have everything I want, well at least on the weekends when Im not at work.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

To the greatest moderator the heavens ever blessed us with:
http://www.nottinghamevents.org/goosefair/images/lollipop.jpg

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who caved in!?!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Comeone, I got in SHITE for that type of thing.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 24 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark, did you get the email I sent you last week?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark = me?

if so, i did and i agree and i'm on it (sort of)

didn't i reply? sorry if not, i meant to

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks Mark. I think my email may have been playing up which is why I asked.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

i posted two messages to the wrong thread; can someone delete them?

reccomend some country music

Thanks.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

done.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is there any way my Tesh Cam thread could be moved to ILE? Eh, it's no big deal, but ILM doesn't seem to care and yet ILE would probably be enamored of it. And I don't want to start another thread.

P.S. Ally sent me a Teshagram and she rocks so hard it's unbelievable! I am weeping with joy.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

why has iltwee thread been locked?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

good question Julio.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

IT ARRIVED? IT'S GOT TO BE THE BEST TELEPHONE CALL EVER!!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ask Jess.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

elfin magic

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

what's the matter with it jess. can you please tell us.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

it was violated by tweeness!!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

(i'll reopen it)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

It became the exact thing jess was railing against: a chat session.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

like derek bailey!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes, with his elfin magic, the impious sprite

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

The link for Show Top 50 Only on the ILE statscock page for last 30 days has a broken link.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Please delete all of my posts from this thread. I realize I can't ask for the whole thread to be locked or removed as I didn't start it but I think it might be advisable

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

fell free to delete the whole thread, scuttle the ship, turns out trolls can't take a joke, must be taken seriously 24-7, and nothing else may be paid attention to

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it's a great thread!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

half of it is, the rest of it is like 80% of ilx this week, hooray for 'honesty' supposedly

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

you have a calloused soul! these boys are clearly victims of society!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

So please Officer Krupke, let him go!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha, eat my krup

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I shoulda stuck to my original plan and just gone to every trouble spot thread (the ones with ILxors names in thems) and just told whoever posted last to shut up

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 08:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should post more pictures of Kiss.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Should this post be deleted?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I mean, the answer is probably "no", but WHAT THE FUCK?)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Haha other mods please delete this and my other two previous posts, it's out of our hands now.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan, I don't even know which post you're referring to, so I guess that's a "no" from me.

― felicity (felicity), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Millar, what are the reasons for your request?

― felicity (felicity), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

general drunken despondency regarding people and the world, if I recall correctly (5:27am? WHY?!?!) I guess it still stands. If James wants the thread deleted then I think that pretty much covers it. It's not important anymore, though, there's good stuff on TV again and I am presumably firing on all cylinders.

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 27 April 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Huh? What is happening here, why, and who?

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 April 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's email. He is copying and reposting messages on some ILM threads. What he thinks he's achieving beyond the most trivial nuisance is beyond me. He is the most rubbish troll ever.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 27 April 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

he isnt very good, i wouldnt worry about it. it doesnt hurt anyone else, and it makes him happy

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 April 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

― felicity (felicity), Sunday, 27 April 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I deleted the really long ones from that thread.

(Directly from the database, so it won't show in the log)

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 27 April 2003 21:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are a couple of really objectionable threads on I Hate Everything (no longer being posted to, but still google-able)

SHIT
I hate you enough to want to eat you!

candidates for deletion?

― Alan (Alan), Monday, 28 April 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Go for it or do you need help from here?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm in favor of killing the first one but if you get rid of the second one you would lose this classic line: "Wake up you bitch and smell the reality of coffee!" Have a heart!

gareth linked to a thread about shirts whose collars are a different color, but the link pointed to the greenspun server so i found the right thread on OUR server and changed it.

I also deleted a thread I started last november where I basically ranted in a very confused fashion, kind of a losing-pomo-faith borefest. Since the only other posts were there to basically calm me down I don't feel too bad about it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are we going a bit deletion-crazy today?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 28 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the idea of ILX as a palimpsest myself but I know this is probably the least popular idea I have ever come up with.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Was anyone else having problems with ILX this afternoon? From about 2 to 3:30, I couldn't get in (error messages - not the poxy fule one but one saying that the page wouldn't load), then from 3:30 to 4:00 it was working, but really. really. slowly.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Martin the last thing I mentioned I deleted a few weeks ago actually and it's been gnawing at me that I hadn't fessed up)

Nick A yes. I'm sure our constant often-futile reloading has helped immensely.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 April 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Could summon delete my mis-posted red-exed comparison of Traci Lords to Renee Zelwegger, pls? Thx.

― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 02:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

can i please have my last post on the "this is all bullshit" thread deleted please.

― di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 02:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I find it hard to believe that Tracer Hand's post was anything less than brilliant and I call for its return to the ILE swampland.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 02:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

uh, is that porn star question phrasing for real? Jesus.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 03:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I reiterate here the value of a link? They aren't difficult to supply, just copy and paste. I mean, I don't know what Spencer is referring to.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry Martin, check out the phrasing of this question. Am I being oversensitive?

TS: Seka v Traci Lords

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's pretty crass and arseholish, but I don't see it as a candidate for moderator action personally. Had it been the title, yes. Someone else may disagree, of course. (I've not answered partly because of the distaste, partly because I don't have a clue who Seka is.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

That thread prob. needs 'B*ngB*s' style censoring, unless we want every perving Googler to find it (maybe we do, I dunno)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

that just may be U&K if I knew who that first name was.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm very sorry but can someone please delete this cut-and-paste format-disaster? i'll repost it legibly in a moment

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm afraid I don't have admin privs for that board! Speak to your leader, Nordcskls.

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

(btw, formatting goof-ups are not the spirit of this thread, I don't think. Have a care, pls.)

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

(i know, hence the apology - wouldn't have bothered if it weren't such a long eyesore of a post but point taken)

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

We are moderators, trying to keep this place civilised and prevent terrible things happening, not junior assistant editorial staff! I think we should try to hold a line on this, personally. On the other hand, I am hardly going to object to any mod who fancies that work.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

again: understood, and my apologies.

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, I accidentally posted an enormous article about Robert Mitchum on the Kneesocks thread but I left it up there ot punish myself.

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wasn't trying to get at you, jones, not at all. And I'm not in charge of anything here, I just think we should make the point that we aren't really here for that.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Martin, could you please correct Felicity's "to" typo in the post immediately preceding yours?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a small problem:
my new posts are added to the specter of my identity (without a clickable profile and web presence). Last time I checked the ghost was at:
100 Sébastien Chikara 119 (10) sebastien@hedonist-materialism.com

and my troo profile was at:
104 Sébastien Chikara 115 (14) sebastien@hedonist-materialism.com a hedonist materialism theory website

I erased my cookies, logout, login, changed my pw, checked if a cookie was not stored on my laptop or something and it didn't fixed it. The ghastly one is still rising. Statcock aside it is a problem to me because I want people to be able to click on my profile since it's part of some of my "conceptual" posts (exchange system, "pathos of distance" rules of politeness, etc).

Can someone fix this/ explain me what is happening?
(if the problem persists, when I'll submit this post the ghost profile will be at 120)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

We keep responding to a post in "I hateverything" but it shows up blank unless you highlight it
the post is called "why are there so many stupid people on the internet?"

― Lola Falana, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not a moderator, but try FONT COLOR="BLACK" in the brackety things.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 04:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just posted for the first time to Sonny Tremaine's birdland thread and put my private email addy on. Can you change this for me please? Addy as in my prefernces/details, if you would.

― Jamie Conway (Jamie Conway), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Link?

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm very sorry but can someone please delete this cut-and-paste format-disaster? i'll repost it legibly in a moment

Jones, do you still want me to do this? I don't mind. I enjoy my power.

Nu-moderator here, hi!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

where is the facility to turn off search engine indexing on threads?

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

That feature was discussed, but as far as I know hasn't been implemented. When I get some time I may do this.

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hi, can you remove a link on ILM please. It links to a spoof site using my name. Soliciters might start being involved soon, so I'd rather not have a link hanging arund on a site I use. Thanks guys.

What can you tell me about ESG?

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 13:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

graham has a noindex attribute for threads which puts a robots meta-tag in the html, but there are only 2 threads with this set. i can have a bash at adding the facility to the admin pages if you like. (obv testing etc)

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

These:
attention: new LA club nite: designed for Ned ! with free MBV goodies !
Nacho Cheese! (links not work-safe)

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hi fellow moderators - I am having trouble giving admin privileges to a couple of my fellow ILFers - I keep getting an error message after I enter their names. What's wrong? If information is sensitive, could someone possibly email me off-list? I would really appreciate it. Thanks again.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nordicskillz, I think the only ppl who can *hand on* admin privileges remain me, Tom, Alan, Andrew and Graham. Email some of the names/emails of who your designated co-mderators at ILF are and we'll do it for you.

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 20:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Someone has been playing silly buggers with the what are you listening to thread and put in a background. Can it be removed?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 1 May 2003 06:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ed, done. This is my first mod action. Hope it's ok.

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 07:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a question. As this thread is linked at the bottom of every page (as "Problem?") would it be a good idea to move this thread on to another board, perhaps one dedicated to moderating? that way it doesn't keep popping up on new answers so much. just a thought.

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 07:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought the idea was that it did keep popping up in new answers so mods would see it and act on it.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 1 May 2003 08:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, yr right.

mods could e-mail subscribe to it?

Just thinking out loud really. all this new found power is going to my head.

p.s. i've written the "don't index this thread' code -- is it actually wanted?

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

What, like a Googleproof facility? Could be very useful indeed...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's the bunny. it puts <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW"> in the head of the HTML.

http://www.google.com/bot.html
http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/meta-user.html
http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/exclusion.html#meta

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sounds like a good idea but as with all mod powers, there should be guidelines as to when it ought to be used. It should be used sparingly. How will new and interested people find us if not through google.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

interested people are boring.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, this needs to be mods-only or everything will get removed from Google. I think we need to make it harder for nazis to find us, for instance, but I'm not sure how much we have to worry about porn stuff.

I prefer this to be prominent in New Answers. It keeps the discussion and decisions public and open, it makes us more accountable, and email alerts would only alert me at home, not when I log in at work. I don't want ILE emails going to my work address, as it would prove too distracting, and ILE would take over my entire life rather than only my home time.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

mods should now be able to "googleguard" threads on the admin message page. it's next to the "Un/Lock Thread" button.

(This is a good sign that I am getting to grips with the code, but I'm still working on commenting it all. I got majorly sidetracked understanding the trackback bits and pieces)

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

can someone remove my last post in the American Idol 2 thread. I don't think its right. PLEASE.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Either someone has removed the offending item (it'd be good to say, to save other modsw trying to trace it) or it is as far from something needing deletion as I can imagine.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

If Mark S is still here, is it still OK to promote amateurist and slutsky to ILF administrators? Thank you again!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nordicskillz I too am getting an error message!! Contact Alan: he's technical overseer

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

tx!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Someone posted spam about how all carnivores should criticize Pepsi for their "billion-dollar monkey"... ? I've gotten rid of a couple, it was funny on one thread but it seems to have been posted on a number of them..... if you find any more , link to them here

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm deleting them as well, unless someone has already responded. There are loads.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, I've deleted a few dozen, left a couple where someone had replied. We may have got through the nuisance now - none for a few minutes at least. The IP was 200.76.229.149, in case that is ever useful info. I tried a google for the organisation's name, with a thought of emailing them to tell them to stop, or to start a proper thread, but nothing.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I got em all on I Love Music, Martin. * high five *

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well done, Tracer. As it happens, I've deleted about five more since what I posted above, so they've not given up yet.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

It could be a lone nutter rather than an organization.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, very possible.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

didn't realize it was happening across the board when i replied on the ILF/ILE filmtalk thread. feel free to delete it (+ my reply) there too if you want

― jones (actual), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't see any reason to delete them if someone responds. It's not as if they are ideologically offensive or anything. I just felt we didn't need 100 copies of the message.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Slight delay here, but here's the link containing the post where I want the email address deleted. Thanks.

Where are Birdland....

― Jamie Conway (Jamie Conway), Saturday, 3 May 2003 23:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

done

― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 3 May 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan, I've written to you about the ILF mods thing above - did you get my message? Thanks!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 4 May 2003 08:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can some nice moderator out there resize the pics in this post for me:

YIKES!?!?

Thanks....

― hstencil, Monday, 5 May 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

We could put tags on them that restrain the dimensions but they'd still use up the same bandwidth because they'd be the same size. Best to resize them at your end if you wanted them smaller in both regards. Also, we could turn them into links instead.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 5 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

ed what have you got against playing silly buggers on a thread called "that thread's all fancy colored for me", i mean it's silly but it WAS my contribution to that thread, i spent a bit of time on it, and i made sure it was readable to everyone

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 May 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey moderators! And Alan! I've noticed a couple of times when going to administer a post, especially long ones, that when I try to "save" the changes nothing at all happens. I click the "submit" button and it just sits there and does fuck all. No hourglass to even indicate that IE is doing anything about it. No nothing. Any ideas what's happening here? And is there any way around this? (I've tried reloading the page again, logging off and then on, doing it from another machine, etc.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've not hit this at all, Sean.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is what I hit when attempting to Googleproof Calum's name at the end of some of Blount's swans. I didn't look at the HTML code, but I would guess that the problem is that the admin page isn't doing a POST where it needs to.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have also experienced this, though length hasn't seem to caused it.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's not about LENGTH, it's about WIDTH...

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

youmean its not how you use it Dan?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 5 May 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Any chance of making the pic on this thread here: Black Nasty: C/D? into a link?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 02:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I flagged the subject line instead. Though admittedly it's pretty dumb and may be a good candidate for outright deletion.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Delete the fucker. Delete all hipster dorks while you're at it.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

doomie?!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

ah good times

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

i've fixed the editadmin problem. sorry about that -- don't know when that sneaked in.

I also added the ILF admins asked for.

If you send me e-mail usign ILX's webmail link (registered users only) it comes to my private address here at work -- if you use the yahoo one, I don't check that so much. I'll check it more often now though (naughty me).

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

i've fixed the editadmin problem. sorry about that -- don't know when that sneaked in.

Is that the one I was mentioning, Alan? Because I just tried to edit the same message I had in mind when I made the observation above:
http://www.ilxor.com/adminmsg.php?msgid=3524154
and it gave me the same problem. Maybe I'll try logging out and then back in to see if that fixes anything at this end.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nope, no dice. It just sits there, witless, after clicking the "submit" button on the admin msg page.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, sorry, that was a correction to the code/page to give admin priveleges out.

Editing that post worked fine for me here (I added some text, then removed it) -- I can't see what the problem might be. Other mods having problems? (If so I'd better make myself a regular admin login to check)

I could edit the post for you, but I'd rather fix the problem of course

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Let me download another type of browser to see if it's strictly an IE issue for me. I know that it's probably nothing to do with the message ITSELF, because I tried editing another message once upon an age to fix up some table-tag wonkiness, and got the same problem; Noodles was able to log on and zap the bugs without problem (I think).

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Worked in Opera. Huh.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

tada. thanks. name and shame that browser.

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Could some kind moderator delete my two latest failed attempts at posting a picture on the punk as fuck thread for pictures? I fucked up posting an image twice till I finally got it... actually the first time I've posted an image on here, so it took a couple tries

― The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, if I change my name on ILX but keep my email address and my login name, will I lose my stats? I don't want my statscock to go flaccid.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think they stay with the login, Nick.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've always wanted the ability to read threads in a "paged" mode, so that very long threads can be read (e.g.) 50 at a time, with links to each page of 50, and a "Next" and "Prev". Anyone else?

It just occurred to me that this might also aid the ever lengthening threads like this one and the pic of yourself/what you listening to style threads.

I should juse get on with commenting and tidying before I start messing around, huh?

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the paged mode idea is a good one, but what do I know?

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it's a GREAT idea and I'm really smart

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

fair enough.

So what caused the server to run out of virtual memory, blah, blah, for about an hour there?

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

How much physical memory does the machine already have, does it have any slots free and what type of memory does it take?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

seems to have 256M physical memory,of which usually only 2 to 5 is free.
Only 14M of a 256M swap file is being used. hard disk space is no problem. Andrew is the one that knows the ins and outs of the actual hardware though.

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd be willing to donate some RAM if it'll help and if I have the appropriate type. BOX OWNAZ REPRAZENT

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Man, I'd be willing to do anything to get the hamsters on the treadmill running a little faster around here.

Is there a PayPal fund that could be set up or something?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Help! I just accidentally killed my 12-step anonymity on the "quitting heroin, how" thread: I used an anonymous name and email (as below) but forgot to log out, so my real log-in name is there grinning at everyone. Could you kill the log-in name and keep the post? Or if that's not possible, kill it all. And you'll definitely need to kill the post that I followed it up with, where I go "Damn, I just killed my anonymity." In any event, anonymity here is required, not so much for my protection but to protect the 12-step group from people like me being perceived as spokesmen for it in the public eye.

(I emailed Jess and Tracer, but if someone else sees this first, please take care of it.)

Lots of thanks.

― Atheist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Which post? I can't find one.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Someone just took care of it. Many thanks. (Though I was expecting to enjoy my brief notoriety.)

― Atheist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I draw attention to the "I Hate America" board? It looks like its been set up by Sean M Hall, the serious megatroll that hounds AAD from time to time. He had apparently been unable to get on ilX for a while (he claims his IP was banned) but has found a new account and is back with us again.

Can we blast him quick this time?

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey there
I seem to be unable to moderate in a recent version of IE. Just hangs as per Sean's description above.

In other news, I'd help you if I could Lynskey.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Correction, was just a very slow response.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I was the one who fixed the forgot-to-logout problem on the heroin thread.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone add a not-safe-for-work note on the Sarah Silverman thread?

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

more Sean M. Hall shenanigans, as noted above. destroy please

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Please, remeber if you link a thread/post here, we can destroy them quicker folks. To link a post you may have to click on show all details at the bottom left of the page.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newquestions.php?board=36

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not clear what your problem is with this, Lynskey? It may be the same person you mention, but I'm not sure we should be taking action on that basis - is there anything intolerable on the board yet?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd love to help you Lynskey but the usual gang here doesn't hold sway over that board. Gotta go right to the top on this one.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

do we want to delete that board then? i've sort of banned SMH's new login

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

i mean, i don't see anything wrong with the messages there. though i don't know what a board with that name might attract

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Only seen faux Ally postings myself.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think posing as another poster is a trigger for whatever big gun you want to pull out, Alang. To mix two different firearm metaphors.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

agreed, particularly considering the histories involved here (mr. hall and various ally stalkers)

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wait a second, where is someone posting as me?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

on the 'me no likey ammurrica' board

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's really fucking it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, is garancey80@yahoo.com one of your e-mail addresses?

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is similar to one of her old ones

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

why was that board started in the first place?

― hstencil, Friday, 9 May 2003 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

it was a sean m. hall ' fear me geekery' board

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

hence calls for deletion of said board

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I no longer use that email address.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Could one of you beautiful powerful people lock/delet this thread: I have found the website of the most retarded man on earth ?
I really shouldn't go airing out my baseless private prejudices and i'm ashamed of it. Thanks!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is surely no worse than a minor embarrassment for you, Dan. I don't see it as any candidate for deletion or locking.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Drat!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Indeed, I am about to increase the font size and bold the text of the thread so people can properly revel in it.

(I may be kidding.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

(haha, my plan is working! I knew it would!)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

When Dans Clash!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can one of you please delete my half=arsed attempts at linking here

And obv. the sweary response straight after.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 11 May 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

The All New Laugh Out Loud thread eats my modem up. Could someone lock the old thread and open a new one? (I would do the opening part myself but I can't think of a snappy title right now.)

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Monday, 12 May 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Old thread isn't locked, but Stevem's opened a new one.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 12 May 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

All right, I just noticed the first LOL thread wasn't locked either, so thanks.

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Monday, 12 May 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think all 'old' threads like this should be locked, with a 'this thread continues here' link facility.

I'm pretty sure someone's already mentioned this...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 May 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Great idea, I can't remember how to link tho

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 12 May 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

um just paste the url into the message, it converts it to blue writing with the name of the thread

― Alan (Alan), Monday, 12 May 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuckin A? Wow!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 12 May 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuckin A! Ok, linked and locked. Hope this is ok.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 12 May 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Could someone change http to ihttp on my contribution to

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALLY!!!!!

Cheers

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Er, thanks for whoever done that. Any chance of closing the tag, or my next witticism will be lost to the ages.

PS: thanks again, I am the complainy man.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

You can click "show all details" to get a list of all moderator actions in a thread. (This might only work if you're registered, I can't remember)

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done, Andrew F!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks, Andrew, and Alan, and N.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is a test. (Hello World!)

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hello Noodles!

― World (felicity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

World, did you note that show all details works just grebt at the bottum of the screen?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

The ILF FAQ looks a bit unofficial to me.
http://ilx.wh3rd.net/faq.php?board=35

― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dunno if this is really a moderator-type issue / request, but since folks new to the boards are (I presume) not going to scroll down to the SEARCH function to see if their thread idea has already been explored, perhaps it might be good to move the SEARCH link to the top of the page (w/ perhaps a li'l note to tell new folks to search before posting a thread)? Or simply have search links on the top & bottom?

Just a thought. That is all. Carry on.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 15 May 2003 04:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not sure if this is because of the thread I just started (the bizarre books one) but I did do a search for similar threads afore I posted - its reasonably clear where the search function is, FWIW :)

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 15 May 2003 05:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

You might want to change the way things are moderated. Im not sure identifing cookies are the best route to go. Specially if a moderator uses other people computers.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's more than just a cookie. you have to have a valid username/password combo, and that user name has to have admin rights and even then admins need to re-enter their passwords when they start mod'ing. Unless you know of a loophole??

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

World, did you note that show all details works just grebt at the bottum of the screen?

Yes, Noodles, I did! I have nothing to hide!

― World (felicity), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Moderator, PLEASE REMOVE other posters' guesses at the identity of Person X on this thread: Let's talk about houseguests.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bump, as I see it hasn't been done yet.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, you could start with giving a good reason why a non-abusive post by someone else should be altered at your request.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because it is invasive and I wish for the parties involved to remain anonymous. If the person so name-checked were not a poster on ILX, it would be done under those circumstances.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

How much more invasive than discussing their sleeping habits in public? If you wanted it anonymous, you should have started an anonymous thread.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

You are a cunt.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

The reason that I did not give their names is, as usual, because I wanted people's *honest* thoughts on the matter, not coloured by their impressions and prejudices about the people in question. I have no desire to incur the wrath of the Momus fanclub for asking how much advance warning should be given by impending houseguests.

Yeah, on second thought, maybe I SHOULD have started the thread anonymously, but I guess I gave other ILE posters too much credit to be able to discuss things without letting them turn into a childish guessing game.

And you're still a cunt.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, fair cop.

A partial defense is that when I posted the name again, I didn't realise that the earlier instances had been sanitised. So now I invite a mod to sanitise the name again form my post.

Though yeah, fair cop.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I posted this on that thread, but I think it should go here too:

I really think that if someone's going to modify somebody else's post, it's a good idea to let them know that. I've had a couple posts myseriously disappear over the past few days with no explanation whatsoever, and I think that's totally creepy and out-of-line (plus if I did something wrong I'd like to know so I won't do it again).

― hstencil, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Andrew Farrell is worse than Hitler.

Since I was moderated can I ask who moderated me and why. You may do this in a personal e-mail if you do not wish to have this discussion on this board.

It doesn't bother me either way, but it would be useful for future reference to know whether unsubstantiated speculation on the identity of people who are being talked about in a pointedly specifically generalised manner should be barred. Cos as was also said on that thread, a number of people were thinking the same as me and hence the anonymity was neither here nor there.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is ridiculous.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kate, in all fairness, I don't see what else you expected to happen there? Why bother talking about it at all, I don't think this is really a fair request, unless the poster "REVEALED!" decides to ask for it to be deleted. I mean, don't you think the people in question would've figured it out anyway if they read it?

But also I'm not a mod and I really don't care and I didn't read the thread, so take with a grain of salt!

hstencil, I know the reason why one of your posts was deleted. OOOOOO OOOOO OOOOO (that's supposed to be creepy music), I'll email you the explanation of one.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

If someone is talking about "Person X" rather than using your name, you can probably assume that they are using a pseudonym FOR A REASON. If I wanted to discuss a person in particular, I would use their name. I wanted to discuss a situation in the abstract, rather than the personal specifics.

Didn't we have this discussion earlier when talking about "JonBennet Rammstein" and other regulars posting anonymously who forgot to log out?

If someone wishes to protect the identity of a person they are discussing, other people should know enough to follow suit, even if they've "already guessed" - respect the poster's wishes and keep it to yourself.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pete - clicking the Show All Details link will let you know which moderators changed which post.

Dastoor and Sinker you two are worse than Hitler.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree, but Kate, isn't it up to Poster X to complain about it?

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dastoor and Sinker you two are worse than Hitler.

but not as bad as the cunt farrell;)

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, kate. Even though I didn't mention the person by name, I think I contributed to this. I apologize, I can totally understand where you're coming from.

― hstencil, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Like I said, Ally, my reason for asking was because I wanted people to discuss the issue IN THE ABSTRACT.

There is a difference between asking "how do you handle a situation between you, your housemate and a third party?" and starting a thread going "MOMUS HAS MOVED ONTO MY COUCH AND WILL NOT LEEEEEAAAAVE!!!" Some people on this board would cream themselves at the thought of having Momus on their couch all the time, some people would deliberately bar the windows and doors at his very approach. I didn't want another goddamn Momus thread, I wanted a discussion of what was considered acceptible behaviour with regards to housemates and houseguests. End of story.

I'm sorry I started the thread. I'm sorry that I asked to have people's names removed. I'm beginning to be sorry that I ever went on this board this morning in the first place.

― kate, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Even if people hadn't named names, anyone reading it would still know who the people involved are, if that's going to be in their minds and affect the advice they give then there's not much you can do about it. You can't moderate what people are thinking. I hope. I don't think it's fair to accuse people who do this of being immature.)

― Emma, Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone please delete all of Kate's posts ever? They annoy me, and my annoyance could lead to anger, and my anger could lead to offending perfectly innocent third parties who want nothing to do with this Interweb nonsense. And some of these third parties are famous, and some of you creeps are just dying to get into their business.

Thanks in advance!

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is the only entertaining thread on ile this morning

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

arrgh everyone hates me. Who'd be a moderator etc.

I didn't really think that carefully before accepting Kate's request, I guess. Though I did/do think that the request is a bit odd, seeing as most people on ILE know that suzy and kate (and ed?) live together anyway. It wasn't like Pete had any insider knowledge. But does is it a really important censorship from your point of view either, Pete?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I blame hstencil. Damn, too slow!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is the only entertaining thread on ile this morning

b-b-but, cyril the swan?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dastoor and Sinker you two are worse than Hitler.

Add me to that list, Im just a slower Hitler.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Makes me look like less of a smartarse and that damages my cause.

I'm thinking thin ends of wedges here thats all. And I'm getting that prickly sensation I used to get at school when I'm getting told off for something even though I don't think I did anything wrong. (Often that was hitting bullies with chairs at school, which in later life I have accepted was wrong so I daresay this will come out to shame me in the long run too).

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

To anyone who is curious, the answer is elsewhere on the internet anyway.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

That Eric Clapton! Always turning up uninvited!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's Kate Bush you idiot!

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whatever N, get outside your box man, don't let those stars cloud your judgement.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK, it could be Clapton but let's just say I'm confident it's Bush.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think kate's request was reasonable

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

In retrospect I think it was too.

― hstencil, Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't, but may need to think about it more.

Who is Person X?

Who Is Person Y?

Everyone knows Kid Dracula will let JFK kip on the couch whenever he wants to. Freaky undeads.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does anyone else feel tacitly sucked into someone elses minidrama here?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm more alarmed that Kate said Momus might be coming to sleep on my couch if I don't deadbolt the doors!

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

ilx: tacitly sucked into someone elses minidrama

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does anyone else feel tacitly sucked into someone elses minidrama here?

Yes. I think it was unfair to Person X to start the thread in the first place, since the person who started the thread knew very well that everyone would know who she was talking about.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes ronan: i feel that pete demanded to know WHICH moderator violated his post purely so that he could get up in between 12-ft-Lizard solidarity and cause manipulative mischief by setting the cabal against itself

THIS BEHAVIOUR WILL NOT STAND! Our infinite INTRA-SAURIAN LOVE is as indivisible as our scaly flesh.

That is all.

― dawnie (mark s), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not that this affects me in any way beyond enjoyment of idle gossip, but how does the fact that Person X had already been explicitly identified - as I pointed out on the thread in question - by Kate's roommate on another thread affect the decision to moderate?

― chester (synkro), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is all a completely ludicrous fuss over nothing. Get some perspective people.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark S. killed Miss Kitty Fantastico!

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

further to previous post:

BE IT KNOWN that in dodeca-sauria no distinctions are made between
i. in/out of bed
ii. guests/hosts
iii. parasites/hosts
iv. clients/prey

All decisions are made on this basis.

That is all/It never ends.

― dawnie (mark s), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.ronaldstory.com/mothma3.jpg

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark you forgot:

v. "Earshot"/"Hush"

― chester (synkro), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

1/ This is what happens when I take a day off from posting

2/ I think Kate’s request was reasonable, and I most likely would have carried out said request had I been online @ thee time. I think it’s a simple matter of good manners and common something-or-other, if someone posts in thee abstrackt in such a manner, to respect that, like do as you would be done by or something. You can always go on abt it on AIM if you want to. Reading this, please bear in mind that I am a horrible prissy old fuck who complains about children swearing loudly on publick transport, and I am in fact mary whitehouse/h1tl3r who only likes it in thee “missionary position” w/thee lights out (© C*l*m R.W. 2003)

3/ I would cream myself if m*m*s were to sleep on my sofa.

4/ k8 rulz fuk all yuo h@t@z

4a/ However, if kate’s (or anyone else’s) threads annoy you, do not read them. I have recently taken to ignoring threads by annoying poster, and it makes me happier, and also it makes ilx into a more pleasurable experience, or something..

5/ In all seriousness (and I think mark s offered this as well) if you want to post anonymously in a similar manner, and you don’t want this kind of thing, email your question to me, “moderator pashmina”, and I will post it for you, devoid ov any identifying data. Downsides=
a/you will have to trust me not to blab or be a mentalist or fukc up. (I won’t, but obv I would say that, wouldn’t I? I won’t though, yea verily not even on AIM)
b/I generally tend to be online only between 7pm and 2am GMT, so I am rub if you want a quick answer (unless you think of a q between thee hours noted above)
c/ I will not forward snarky personal attax, or creepy stalky stuff on ilx posters. If you send me creepy stalky stuff, I will kill-file you.
d/ do not use terms “viagra” “penis” “teen” “hgh” “own boss” “lose weight” in yr mail title or my phancy new message rule will backhand it into thee wastebasket

Obv, you may not wish to take advantage of this offer, and that’s ok, b/c I quite understand why you might not wish to send sensitive info to some div who you have never met before, but it’s there if you want it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 May 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stalker alert. Immediate moderator attention requested.

Let's Build an ILM Poster!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 16 May 2003 05:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's gone. ugh, fucking creepiness.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you.

(Hope the IP address was logged as well)

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I forwarded thee ip log to the moderators yahoo group.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Not all of Kate's posts ever annoy me. Making an error in judgement and asking the mods to fix it because "others can't play nice" does.)

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

quite!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can some one lock the houseguests thread please. It looks like its about to turn nasty and it's my flat that being talked about and once again kate has brought a problem with the flat to the board before talking to me. It may be in my power to fix things. I don't think this 'lurker' is helping matters.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 16 May 2003 08:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Go ahead. Fucking lock it since Ed has asked.

― kate, Friday, 16 May 2003 09:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lurker has also asked to have their post removed - I thought I had their permission to post it, but they thought that I would edit it first.

― kate, Friday, 16 May 2003 09:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am also asking to please have this IP address blocked from ILE, because I am incapable of staying away of my own willpower, and I REALLY need to leave. I am totally serious about this.

― kate, Friday, 16 May 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Since the other thread has now been locked I'll post my reply to Chris here).

I disagree (he says in his best Tom Paulin way) - whilst Big Brovaz have obviously been infuence by the canvalesque production of Outkast, a cursory look at their lyrical content shows a lot more in common with pop rappers of the early nineties and the general obsession of the bling garage culture. Songs are either about asserting their identity (Nu Flow / OK) or status (My Favourite Things). That said they do compare favourably to Outkast affiliates when they too rap on such mundane matters - suchg as Killer Mike's A.D.I.D.A.S.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks. Feel free to start another thread comparing our domestic situation to Big Brother, Big Brovaz, Outkast or anyone else you fancy.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok I locked it, if anyone feels it should be reopened go ahead, I guess. Kate I'll go and delete Lurker's post now, but blocking yr Ip is beyond my humble powers. Good, cos I'd rather you stayed.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

(since the other thread has now been locked I'll post my reply to ronan here).

thanks, ronan.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Feel free to reopeni later today if you fancy, I just think there should be a little cooling off period.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you for locking the thread. Thank you in advance for removing my ill-advised private email quote. Who has the power to block IP addresses? Because I really DON'T have the willpower to keep myself from posting, and from talking about my private life. And these huge fights and tanglements really ARE affecting my performance at work, and even though I hate my job, I do need to keep it right now.

And I would prefer for the thread to stay locked. I'm leaving, just leave off and forget about it.

― kate, Friday, 16 May 2003 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

kate - yank the network cable out the back of your computer. That works. Or smash the screen.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I did the latter once, it was an ugly scene. Expensive laptop, too. Kate don't do this

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Smashing screen not advisable with work computer.)

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks ronan

think nothing of it.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Smear screen with jam then. Or put the computer upside down.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i will block kate if nobody has a more strenuous objection than kate's plea

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

is that just 213.123.213.188 then?

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

how will that help with posting from home?

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think its the short term that she is worried about. Like any addiction, its one day at a time.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

well i think that should have done it. Anyone got a better message than "GO AWAY KATE" -- which is what she should be reading right now. How about "Put the mouse down and walk away"

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the walk away one is nicer than just "GO AWAY KATE" but then, she did ask....

― smee (smee), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll just quote her post

"Who has the power to block IP addresses? Because I really DON'T have the willpower to keep myself from posting, and from talking about my private life. And these huge fights and tanglements really ARE affecting my performance at work, and even though I hate my job, I do need to keep it right now."

mind you I don't know that it's actually working or if more people have that IP address. (I banned myself successfully to check, but that's all)

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

that looks like a BT address to me to be honest

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kate has requested to please be reinstated to ILM. She's just going cold turkey on ILE. I am posting this because she can't.
chairs.

― Lurkylurklurklurk, Friday, 16 May 2003 10:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

You know, if I wasn't reading this thread I would have had no idea that some conflict had happened. Wierd.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

english go figure

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

well I've done my best, I THINK I've banned that IP from ILE only. any complaints back to me, but frankly I'm a bit peeved with this request already

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

so does everybody else get a 'get out of jail free' card with their threads too?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

everyone except you

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Thanks from Kate, it works. Didn't realise that it was a hassle to ban from just one board, but I appreciate it. Thanks."

― Lurkity lurkitty oooooo, Friday, 16 May 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

as long as I gots Baltic and Mediterranean I'ms in hawg heaven.

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I managed to quit injecting heroin.

now I take it orally.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

good for you.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another weird thing is the way I decided to spell "wierd" up there in my previous post. Huh.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 May 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Surely if you are a moderator you could have changed that. (They change everything else round here, like the shifting sands of the desert you never know where you stand).

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ain't it the truth brutha, ain't it the truth

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

You know, I'm just going to say this: what the fuck is wrong with everyone?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

geez cut down on the uppers cause your going fucking paranoid.

There is a log, you know this. If your so convinced we all do this all the time then keep an eye on it.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

IT'S THE INTERNET PEOPLE, NOT A FORM OF PARLIAMENTARY GOVERNMENT!

*HEAD COMPLETELY EXPLODES*

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

They edit the log. I've seen them. Scaly. Scaly.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

moderators stole my childhood

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Moderators stole my crisps. At least, one of them did.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well you know what they say Tim. Everything in moderation. Including unfortunately your crisps.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

*Note to plenary dedaco-council: edit Tim, messily*
*Note to self: dispute entry in eyes-only secret log, re Orinoco Lizard #12437's claim to have engineered the entire Ally-Head-Explosion incident -> this was MY plan, MINE MINE I TELL YOU!!*
*Note back to self: No need to shout I'm just here*

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

PROLETARIAT! ARE YOU GOING TO STAND FOR THIS? WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE AGAINST THE MODERATORS! ETC!

WHY is it that every time someone acts like a big fucking crybaby on this board, the moderators get blamed, anyhow?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think anyone was seriously objecting to the moderators here...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cos they react? (Friday afternoon bit of fun). Anyway - off to the constitutional crisis thread.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

MUTINY! MUTINY!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

WHY is it that every time someone acts like a big fucking crybaby on this board, the moderators get blamed, anyhow?

Because blaming hstencil is passe?

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, Matt, because a post that started off quoting the end of The Communist Manifesto was obviously meant entirely in seriousness?

Blaming hstencil is totally passe because now he doesn't get upset, he uses it as an excuse to be dodgy!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I blame that cunt Andrew Farrell.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, it's that cunt Andrew Farrell's fault.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Hstencil is being let off the hook too easily here. They tell me he has a "no nonsense" attitude towards moderation. I blame him personally. I heard him boasting in the locker room about how he had "shut ILE up like a clam".

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I blame you and Julio, actually, Ronan.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

*rubs eyes* So what's the ruckus going on in here? Are we revolting? OF COURSE WE ARE! mahahahaha... *dies*

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Someone just moderated the really abusive reply I posted to that.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Someone moderated my joy. :(

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

we're all living in the matrix man

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

lets make litter out of these literati

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

You know in a nuclear reactor the "moderator" is the thing that makes the reaction more likely to continue. FACT.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

"we're all living in the matrix man"

Really, which one of you is Keanu then?

― smee (smee), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of course!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is that just a typo for Neo, or does Raggett kno Kung Fuu.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Show him, Ned.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Raggett knows everthing....

― smee (smee), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ask the Raggeys.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

If Ned = Keanu then Ronan = Keano.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I be Agent Smith?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I phoned Morpheus and he agreed it was ridiculous.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha - is Momus the "Misssster Andurrrrrson" guy?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wanna be Monica Belluci's drawers

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

We can ALL be Agent Smith! Which rules, cos he's hot. James yr welcome to hours of mucus.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

All right folks, can we please keep the chit chat on this thread to a minimum? If any real requests come through we're probably gonna miss them amongst this hoo haw.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Man, this has been the BEST THREAD lately! Drama! Hystrionics! Cunts!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Time for a new mod thread anyway.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

if the mucus comment was some sorta roundabout way of invoking cramouille count me in!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm looking out for them Sean, don't worry too much, I like going thru this stuff. There is a fair amount of room for blather all over ILX, tho. BTW I am no booster of the male parts either

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fine if you do, but if this keeps up I'm not going to bother. There's already a shitload of threads for this kinda chatter.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I kinda thought I'd said that, man

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Less chatter, more prissy nutso hissy fits! YAY!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um, whatever happened to the whole deal that, unless posts were abusive, SOMEONE ELSE revealed YOUR OWN personal info, someone posted as you, that type of serious stuff, that was the only shit getting moderated?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think that rule was MODERATED.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

*dramatic music*

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

What happened to those good old days?
When hip-hop, was so much fun
Ohh, house parties in the summer y'all
And no one, came through with a gun
It was all about the music y'all
It helped.. to relieve some stress
Ohh, we was under one groove y'all
So much love between North and West

Go back in the day
British Knights and gold chains
Do the prep and cabbage patch
And wear your laces all fat
Back in the dayyyyyyyy, hey hey
Hip-Hop has chaaaanged

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are you asking me? Two people living in the house that ended up being discussed (not too surprisingly, housemate who started the thread) were hurt and wanted it closed. The SARS thread was closed for less reason. I'll reopen it if you like. I didn't think it was adding much to anyone's day.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, Andrew, what part of "closing thread cos PERSON BEING DISCUSSED NEGATIVELY" doesn't apply to what I said was acceptable? Ed asking: acceptable to me. Kate fucking up and then crying: not.

I'm sorry I got involved in this discussion, actually--I just don't think it's particularly right that sometimes people come up with jackass requests about how they fucked up and get told to piss off. Sometimes, people come up with jackass requests about how they fucked up and people jump. It's not like it's a consistent "This person is favored" thing, it's like it depends entirely on who is reading at the time. Which seems like a shit way to do things--get on the same fucking page, yo.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alot of people agree I'd imagine, perhaps the old days of no moderation were better.

That said I'm not sure there's a solution to what is definitely a problem. Maybe the moderators need to lez up more.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyway, now regarding this me-as-Keanu nonsense...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

as ally has several times pointed out, this is not a form of parliament, it's run by by ordinary humans who have to make snap judgements in real time about situations which are evolving when they have other things on their mind...

of course it depends on who's reading at the time, how the hell wd it not? the idea that some abstractly perfect rule can be formulated to deal with any possible situation that ever arises is insane — the discussion here has arisen bcz of different interps of a general rule of thumb abt what constitutes invasive personal information

(if not insane: go away and formulate the rule for us pls, so that everyone can interpret it perfectly conformistically in all situations forever)

kate's original request seemed reasonable to dastoor and me at the time: proof our snap judgments were in fact correct — ed's subsequent request

yes of course this depends on non-general knowledge abt the various posters involved (ie i know and am very good friends with all THREE of the flatmates involved and know that in the past ed has requested that similar close-to-the-bone information be deleted)

yes of course the situation here relates to the specifics of particular posters: that's what "personal" means...

yes of course if a poster i knew much less well made a similar request about someone's name being flung around by another poster in ref. similar situation i might have taken longer to respond, not being familiar with the personal blah blah

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's just typical

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I just say that the moderator to whom Tim generously handed over a crisp tithe is no longer in the employ of ILX?

Also were my publically accountable moderation guidelines ever posted?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dunno. They were good, tho.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

addenmdum: in principle i don't actually mind tidying up ppl's posts viz when they have clumsily spilled bad html all over themselves except that THIS IS MY DAY JOB ALSO so sometimes i just can't fucking be bothered

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Right! So I'm off to start a thread about how there just isn't enough passion in Ally and I's relationship anymore. What do you do in that situation? I don't mean to get specific. I just want to open up general discussion.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

My take on it is that the initial issue which was negatively talking about another poster was surely the initial Poster X / Poster Y / Flatmate post (about thirty down), as this had taken the initial relatively general issue and specified it to an actual incident which was not anonymous to anyone involved (or to most people who know all the other freely proferred info about said peoples lives upon the board). My admittedly pointlessly salacious post was of course a vain glorious attempt to say look at me, aren't I clever. Kate's initial denial was adequate to put me off. The thread still exists, albeit in a way that no-one can now post to it. Whilst very few people have blamed me for the situation I obviously do feel responsible, moreso for Andrew Farrell's new found cuntdom, and feel that perhaps we have all learned something here today.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm really more than happy to reopen the thing! It's just Kate's/Ed's/Suzy's interests seem paramount, it's their house. I thought you were clever before this, Pete.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

in what sense "new found"? < / stirring it >

i didn't actually think pete's initial post was out of order either in itself, i just think that the perfectly acceptable (if risky) discussion started had — essentially bcz of difft personal interps of the q. of invasivity — waddled itself across a line where [very mild] backtracking moderation was appropriate (not actually much more severe than writing h0rnby instead of hornby)

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

pete is a professional lightning rod

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

moderators can you change that previous post to "professional life nimrod" pls?

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No I'm going to BED!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Mark that's beautiful)

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well if all this has taught us is that I'm not clever, I think its almost been worth it.

"If you play with lightning your going to get - zzzap!" - Benjamina Franklin.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

he always has to bring hornby into it doesnt he?

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, I still think yr clever. I haven't learnt a thing!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's no learnin' some people.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 May 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I just say that the moderator to whom Tim generously handed over a crisp tithe is no longer in the employ of ILX?

We are in the employ of ILX? Where is my gawd damm renumeration.

Also were my publically accountable moderation guidelines ever posted?
RTFFAQ!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 16 May 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've come round to Big Brovaz, probably one of the most important groups in Britain today, a 4-real so solid crew.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 16 May 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hi! We've got another racist on Ask A Drunk. I don't want him banned or anything, fun with racists is one of AAD's favourite games as you can see from the thread.

If you could, email me the guys IP.

Here's the thread
SHIT

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 18 May 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know who has admin privs on AAD - I can't get at anyone's IP there.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 18 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

lynskey i emailed it, did you get it? ( i have admin privs everywhere ever)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 18 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lynskey, that was beautiful.

― Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 18 May 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, do you have admin privileges in my house, Mark? Not that I'm arguing that you shouldn't or anything...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 18 May 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey there - I don't ever ask for any moderations, but in this case, some dick posted into the Sex - Blood - Etiquette thread with this godawful revolting and graphically sick troll post. I know it isn't nasty to anyone on the board but it really is unpleasant.

If people don't feel it warrants removal thats ok, it just makes me squeamish having to read crap like that (and thats compared to the rest of that thread! heh).

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 19 May 2003 01:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe someone could add a NSFW warning to that behold yr god thread as i just "accidentally" put that momus penis on there

DAN MADE ME DO IT ;-)

― ron (ron), Monday, 19 May 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Do you accept checks?)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 May 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark s has admin privileges to all our most secret hearts and yet he remains optimistic! God bless him

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 19 May 2003 20:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

paypal only

― ron (ron), Monday, 19 May 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hello Moderator(s)

Can you delete my ILM "chips and Gravy C/D thread.

I wasn't paying attention and posted it in the wrong place (evidently)

Cheers.

― james (james), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

chips and gravy c/d

link

― james (james), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can if you want but its growing a life of its own. Write back and I'll flip the switch for ya.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

hmmm 8 answers, my most successful post yet. Lets wait for a bit then and see where it takes us.

― james (james), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um yeah I was going to say that too, or something like it. As far as Mr Noodles' comment goes.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hi, I just started a thread on ILM entitled "Sasha Frere-Jones and Gerald Marzorati discuss 'Hail to the Thief'" -- which I just discovered is practically identical to one that James Blount started yesterday. Is it worth it to delete or lock mine?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

we can lock and link it to the other if your worried about dividing the conversation till both die off. A link to Blounts would be great help.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks, noodles.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am bored at work can u c?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Side note, we need to update the FAQ on ILM/ILE so it points to this thread or whatever active thread we are using for requests.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.befrank.co.uk/news/IMAGES/k3.jpg

Callum is gone.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

howzat Mike??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

i updated the FAQ

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mike Taylor that is very, very funny.

― estela (estela), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

are there any moderators posting from a CAN READ ANYTHING environment?

there's someone posting porn to ILM threads, and i'm at work

(IP = 64 246 11 102)

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 5 June 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

have they all been done now? Can't find any more. If porn images causing probs use the "hide images" option in your settings -- this makes it easier to mod thread with images in generally

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

cool (yes i think they're all sorted for the moment)

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 5 June 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

As I think one or two people on this board are aware, visiting a link on this thread: Song Poems: RFI turned out to be a disaster for my computer, which was imediately infected by a Backdoor.Apdoor.bIŽm trojan horse (jfhwlsg.exe) and a series of glossalalia trogan proxies (bdyubdh.exe, joaspoi.exe, kmavwic.exe, krvwfgc.exe, lqsgzhl.exe, pwprvrc.exe, rkddqcm.exe, zdcaedn.exe, and zhbxgrn.exe). The immediate effect was inclement irksome pop-up's and other weird things, which lead to me to suspect the content of my computer was being accessed. It took weeks of inevistigation to locate and eventually delete the offending files (and there's still a startup programme hidden on my computer (impotant now, though, I hope)). According to Boclean, who gave me substantial help: 'It's now possible for a "rogue" website to actually embed trojans, worms and/or viruses directly into a web page. In the past, pages that offer seemingly attractive downloads which contain such malware required you to click to start any download to your computer. BUT Now it's become automatic, using features in the Windows operating system known as scripting. These scripts can load programs without you knowing, and then they run immediately. All you have to do is visit the site, without doing anything besides viewing the page'.

The American Song Archives is one such rogue site, so I propose the post where it is linked to should be deleted to save an unsuspecting user of this board time, expense, anxiety in the future. Can you let me know if and when the post is deleted, 'cos I daren't even visit the thread to check (I know this is silly, but if you'd been through what I have!).

For the record, and to illustarte the sheer pernicuousness of that particular trojan, this is the response I got from BoClean, after sending them a copy of the file and the startup log:

'TRULY nasty indeed. The VIRUS which starts the proxy is that jfhwlsg.exe file in question and it's a cutie. What it's DOING is hiding inside Norton's code space AND inside the EXPLORER.EXE program as well. Fortunately, you can stop this nonsense but it takes a little trick.

First step, OPEN an MS-DOS (console) session. LEAVE IT OPEN ...

Now bring up the task manager and STOP EXPLORER.EXE ...

The traybar will vanish (this is why you have the MSDOS session open) ...
this is what you WANT to happen here.

Now go to the MSDOS window, type in EXPLORER and hit return.

This will bring BACK the traybar. Some icons may be missing, but the
programs that were running there will STILL be running, Microsoft doesn't
do a very good "restart" notify and that works in our favor here.

You SHOULD be able to go and delete that file now. Reboot, then clear out
the rest of the trash and unless it's being fed from another program
somewhere (should have been detected by AV) then it should be gone for good
now'.

This worked - the virus left the building (I hope so and verily).

― Forwarding Burden, Thursday, 5 June 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tubgirl pic (v. not safe for work) posted to the Jarvis / Darren Spooner thread on ILM.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 5 June 2003 12:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

'It's now possible for a "rogue" website to actually embed trojans, worms and/or viruses directly into a web page.

Assuming you use a bug-ridden browser like Internet Explorer, and/or have stupidly low security settings.

Tip for everyone: never ever use IE or Outlook Express. Your computer will be much safer.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

MODS, please do NOT delete links to sites on the basis of the above long post

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

tubgirl deleted

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

a suggestion: when we get troll attack using images could there be a button that a moderator could turn off images for all untill the the troll gets bored. Just an idea?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

i forgot to check the IP, sorry: has the one up-thread been blocked?

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

64.246.11.102 has been "banned"

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

theres another 16063 addresses on 'Everyone's Internet' though, with it being an ISP, they'll might have a different one on that range next time?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

could you explain a bit more for me -- I'm hard of understanding and I don't have much time to do all this while I'm working. What is "Everyone's Internet"? is the poster on a range 64.246.x.x ? (Also, I'll need to see all the posts details before they're deleted to do anything more than ban a single IP address)

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Everyone's Internet" is an ISP that has a lot of addreses in the 64.246.x.x range.

(I happen to know this, cos the company I work for uses them for hosting; therefore we have servers in that address range)

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

They wouldn't be a scottish firm would they?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oddly enough, no. They're based in Texas.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

houston

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pls remove the picture on the "Scatalogical Lyrics" thread on ILM.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

new ip for gross tubgirl shit: 216.127.82.98

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's now on the radiohead thread too

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

i got rid of the pic on the radiohead thread

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

eh, there is an incredibly unsafe for work pic on the What Happened To Geir thread on ILM: What happened to Geir?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

i feel a bit ill now, actually

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Firstworld Communications (NETBLK-PBBRIDGE82)

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread has been tubgirled AGAIN as well.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good work Sterling, beating me to the punch.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

i went to go take care of it, but can i say that i'm really thankful i didnt have to?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its appeared on ILE once before the tub girl stuff at that IP address here.

Im at home today so its not such a biggie. But please people, if you post a link to the message itself it can be edited with being viewed directly.
(Just click on the admin link for any message and replace the message id with the one for the offensive post in the URL and you got nothing but html of tubgirl.)

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

PHWOAR LOOK AT THE BOLD TAGS ON THAT ONE

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good old gaping anuses, who got that post before I?
Bang Part 2.

Im of half a mind that we keep the post and remove the image so we can keep track of the aliases and the IP addresses being used.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK, we have about five or six in a row from the same IP. You'd think they'd show some creativity instead of using old old old (like five or six years) pictures from E/N sites.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Something incredibly obscene and horrible just happened here-- p2p song/artist mislabeling: a crime against humanity

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tubgirl's getting 'round, she's on the "I hate sex." thread now too. This is crazy!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

We been dealing with it all afternoon, same two pics, same IP.
I suggest we add a couple of if statements to the code to stop loading of redcoat.net and goatse.cx servers. More effective then IP banning at the moment perhaps.

I Hate Sex link was deleted.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Hopefully I will never ever EVER encounter the phrase "good old gaping anuses" again)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can't we just use the GPS and launch an Intercontinental Balistic Missile at ~~Calum~~ whoever this fucker is?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why thank you Dan.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Forwarding Burden, I and many of my friends have been to the ASPMA site at least a hundred times, including that page, and have _never_ had a problem. I took a look at the source code for the page, too, and don't see anything that could be an exploit.

Are you sure the timing wasn't just a coincidence? That site is a very, very popular one, and I'm on a couple mailing lists that discuss song-poems -- I'm positive that someone would've said something by now were there a problem, and Phil Milstein is a "known figure" in the outsider music community: I'd be very surprised if he's planting trojans on websites. (Have you tried emailing him? It's possible that his site was hacked.)

― Phil (phil), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Looks to be about 10 pictures from those two sites on ILM, 3 on ILE at least including one of each to this thread.

If at all possible we should add an if or switch statement to the 'ihttp to IMG SRC' routine to convert those to a picture of Ma$e or something.
But it does look as if the attack has ended at the moment, I just cracked a cold one to entertain myself with too, ohwell.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

convert to ma$e!!!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you have a browser that can apply a .css file to pages viewed, (Mozilla and safari can do this), create a text file called something like imageblock.css

add these lines to the file

A:link[HREF*="redcoat.net"] IMG { display: none ! important } A:link[HREF*="goatse.cx"] IMG { display: none ! important }
IFRAME[SRC*="redcoat.net"] { display: none ! important }
IFRAME[SRC*="goatse.cx"] { display: none ! important }

save the file and select in s the style sheet to be used by your browser. In Safari open the preferences and select the advanced tab. No more tubgirl.

You can also use this to block banner ads and the like.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry that should be

A:link[HREF*="redcoat.net"] IMG { display: none ! important }

A:link[HREF*="goatse.cx"] IMG { display: none ! important }

IFRAME[SRC*="redcoat.net"] { display: none ! important }

IFRAME[SRC*="goatse.cx"] { display: none ! important }

It occurs to be that ilx could use css in this way to block undesirable content.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I doubt my browser is new enough, seeing as it really, really doesn't like css sites but that sounds like an even better soln for those with such ability.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

time for a new browser (unless its work in which case you'll have to lean on someone to give you a new browser which will let you prevent the office being polluted with anal fountain pics)

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Are you sure the timing wasn't just a coincidence?' Very sure - I actually witnessed something download, far faster than I could react, although I couldn't at first find where in my system where they'd nestled. I managed to loacte each of the offending files (ten) - all created on the date I visited the site - over the next few days.

'Phil Milstein is a "known figure" in the outsider music community: I'd be very surprised if he's planting trojans on websites'. As opposed to a "known figure" in Motown -- is outsider music going all Motown? I too would be surprised.

― Forwarding Burden, Thursday, 5 June 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

time for a new browser

OS system doesn't support anything newer, VC++/hard drive won't allow a third browser.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

what OS?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

This day will go down in history as The Day ILX Drowned in Nacho Cheese.

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can a moderator delete Jon Williams's needless giant-picture posts on the "Indie Guys With Trucker Hats" thread? I felt that the discussion there, however heated, was really interesting, and now it's a mess.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone please do something clever and resize the larger than life puppy picture I posted on here

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 12 June 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hello all. I was bored and fiddling with the database to see what changes Alan made. He changed the database command that generates the New Answers page so it took 10 times longer to compute, which explains why not just that page but the whole site has been sluggish since I quit. I've restored the page to how it was. I'm sorry the New Answers page keeps being fiddled with.

I apologise for letting him near the server. Is there anyone here who has a clue what they're doing re:SQL that can take over?

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, that was just lovely of you, wasn't in Graham.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, fuck it. Exactly why are you such a rude, arrogant little shit?

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, cup of tea and a biscuit mr tunnicliffe?

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because the alternative is jumping off a bridge?

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am sad to write this, but if we're going public.

In response to worries about slower response times I did indeed try changing the main newanswers query -- I experimented back and forth between my new code and graham's, with no obvious difference I could detect. I was worried about the slow down -- it predated my changes and i don't know where it came from. Graham noticed a difference between his and my code and here he is telling me about it.

I will not access the server ever again. Graham do not ever write to my personal e-mail address again.

I cannot work co-operatively on a project like this with someone who makes it unpleasant to work on. Does anyone else want to try working with graham?

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

i. graham we would prefer you dealt with these issues like a grown-up please
ii. the person currently giving up the time to be the techie-on-call has the absolute right to make changes s/he sees fit
iii. you ASKED to be stood down, alan offered to take over, and has done so/no one here has any problems with the way he does it, perhaps in part because it doesn't come with constant attention-seeking tantrums
iv. you have a tremendous capacity to convert ppl you owe a debt of gratitude into enemies (i'm not going to list them on-line, we've talked about it often enough via email or on AIM)
v. when i blew up at you that last time, publicly, it was because you were asking basically "why is it that no one is ever nice to ME here the way they are to [whoever] when [whoever] has often behaved as hatefully as i have?" => the answer to this (which i was too angry to want to state at that time, in case i stated it in an unforgiveable way) is that [whoever] makes a noticeable effort to be nice to other ppl on-line, even ppl s/he has no pester-interest in or much liking for... in other words [whoever] displays a balance of nice and unpleasant qualities... for some reason you pretty much enitrely dropped the "effort to be nice" thing, i think on a sort of "i refuse to be nice to anyone until ppl are routinely nice to me" basis
vi. this basis will only bring you grief, believe me

ok that was a cross-post with alan: i'm not rewriting, it's not worth it

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for doing a lot of work on this place Alan, I'm sorry that Graham's constant interference and ingratitude has soured it for you.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

alan thanks for the time you put into this: it is of course greatly appreciated

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, cheers Alang, you are a gentleman, scholar and infortunately out of here. Let me buy you a pint for your perseverance.

(Of course I will hide this pint in a round situation and therefore it won't feel all that special - but I am tight like that).

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some history:
1. I seriously need to quit ILE.
2. I spend more time than I can afford making changes and tidying things up.
3. Alan offers to take over.
4. I accept his offer. I ask him to check with me before making major changes. I tell him the code is a bit messy and he should check with me before . I also ask him to keep a record of what changes are made.
5. I hear nothing from Alan, so assume he must know exactly what he's doing. I notice him changing things without any visible record of what is being done.
6. I email him about this. He sends me back a list of changes.
7. Today I notice changes he's made are what's slowing down the system. I correct them.

The point is that he's going on about being unable to work with me when he's never even tried to.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am going for a run to cheer myself up.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

And once again, sorry for trying to help.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

That history does not in any way excuse the general tone of your last post.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

for last read previous but one.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean, is it childish to be angry with someone who said you could trust them and let you down? I never said he was in charge. I just needed someone to give the password to so I could go off and try to get on with my life. Well that worked well, didn't it? And once again I'm being persecuted by the same horrible cliques. Still being expected to accept that my emails will never be replied to (Shall I name names? No, better not). Still being expected to accept levels of heartbreak normal human. Being kicked in the teeth for trying to do something to make me happy, or daring to like other people. What the fuck do you people want from me?

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

For starters I want you to stop smearing my friend.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

what might actually work, graham, is if you apologised for your hateful behaviour, rather throwing out passive-aggressive sulks related to your strings-attached help (well, i don't know whether it would work for alan — that's for him to decide — but it might go down a tiny bit better with everyone else reading)

anyway, i guess you've got what you wanted: we now get to ask you day and night, once again, to consider and enact any and all changes we think for to request, in return for exactly the same thankless take-the-tech-support-for-granted that pissed you off so much last time

one of the reasons ppl don't go out of their way to be nice to you is possibly that when they do they know from a history of yr behaviour that it will simply be thrown viciously in their face in a few days/weeks/months time (what youi just did to alan being a picture-perfect example): after the dust is settled, they know you will busily start portraying whoever made an effort to be nice/be helpful as the villain... so why even bother starting?

this bad loop (kindness => bad feedback => end of kindness => worse feedback) can be broken, but not by anyone other than yourself...

(cross-post again)

in answer to your question: we would like you to try to make an effort to learn to treat other people on the planet as if they mattered in themselves, not just as part of your plans for them

on our world — that of the regular users of the board — giving alan the password worked fine

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well maybe people should started treating me as if I mattered.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hadn't noticed any slump in technical performance recently, therefore I regret to say that I will not be able to welcome the prodigal son back with open arms to deliver us from the chaos that's sprung up in his absence. Sorry.

(X-post) Graham, you have a way of squandering sympathy and goodwill that is second to none.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why should your goodwill matter so much when my goodwill is thrown back in my face day in day out? Or more often if they don't want it they take it anyway.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yowsers.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's the way that you give anything so backhandedly Graham.

― chris (chris), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tom Ewing's friends, you made me that way.

Nick? Nicholas Dastoor? Hello you.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe tom ewings friends dont matter. maybe you should forget about them.

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

FWIW I had noticed New Answers being quite slow lately and it seems to be quicker right now, but then these things come and go so I don't really know about any firm conclusions.

I was under the impression that Graham had passed on control to Alan for the good of the board and his sanity, without retaining 'executive control'. I'm not saying that is the case, just that that's the impression I had got, and maybe others had too.

[cross post]

Graham? Hello. I am assuming this is some dig at me not replying to an email. Since the 'fuck you' thing ages ago I'm pretty sure I haven't had one from you anyway.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

let's not make this about graham v the world, or vice versa. This is about me no longer wanting access to the server -- it's given me bad times I don't want.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

how exactly did people on here make you this way Graham? I'm interested.

― chris (chris), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is the ILX server like the ring?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

many ilx ppl have tried, graham, in many different ways, but since the reward for this is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS being kicked in the teeth by you shortly afterwards, ppl are decreasingly likely to try

for example the way you are behaving today is as a matter of fact contemptibly (but also unfortunately typically) ungrateful response TO ME for all the time i have given you over the last year and more: and even if i choose to take it on the chin — it's a nice day, i'm (sort of still) in a good mood, blah blah — plenty of people reading will immediately be marking you down for it

ie the question "why should your goodwill matter" translates in the real world as "i don't mind if no one is ever nice to me again": but you *do* care!!

you make a habit of punishing people IN ADVANCE for the (sometimes imagined) sins of those who went before: and that's wqhat you;re doing here, again

i think a new MODERATOR SHOUT thread wd be a good idea anyway: this one was already getting unwieldy

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am also sorry that the many months (ie up to about January) that everyone on-board spent being (largely) unfailingly nice and supportive and full of gratitude to Graham wasn't ENOUGH for him. What a betrayal.

Yes, it's because we don't appreciate you. You are wasted on us. Nothing to do with the endless fucking tantrums and childish hissy fits and generally making the people who have done the most for you feel like shit. Nothing at all.

(x-post with Mark, but wtf)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I am now being self-righteous and hectoring about a subject that is really nothing to do with me and none of my business, so I'm going to ignore this thread for the rest of the day)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

FWIW, all the stuff graham has sent to me about the code has been substantively helpful and correct and he has quite rightly pulled me up on a number of points.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry to jump on the band wagon & get involved in this thread, but Graham that is no way to speak to people & I personally find it quite offensive. If you had a problem with what Alan had done then speak to him direct, don't play it out on here for all to see. It is a really spiteful thing to do. I am sure you have your reasons & feeling undervalued may be one of them, but as I said, this is not the way to go about making people grateful for your efforts.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Nick, just honoured to have you post "yowsers" in response to something I've said.

"Thanks y'all.

I should probably stress that Alan is just the person I sent the code and instructions, he's not necessarily going to be my successor, and more likely several people will be working on it in future. -- Graham 15th April 2003"

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark I am in respectful awe of yr patience but right now that S is standing for Sisyphus.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't give a shit about the message board.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or being appreciated for the work I've done. It's just convenient way for people to avoid noticing I am a person. With feelings. That have been hurt bu a lot of you, none of whom seem to care as much as I seem to be expected to care for hurting Alan's feelings.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sisyphus = greek for sissy fuss < / emotional stevedore >

I have to go to M&S for my lunch. I started Mod thread IV, for future use, so this one can go where it will.

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

*postpones lunch for one post*

Graham in all the time I have actually been the obvious living counterexample to your claim, you have never made a sustained attempt — apart from occasional one-sentence thanks — to actually notice me "as a person", or "care about my feelings" or whatever. You keep saying the trade is unfair: but I don't actually think there's any evidence (yet) that you would trade fairly if someone started it off. I'd like to think we're friends — but you don't actually treat me like one.

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

thank you v much for all the effort you've put in alan.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, definite thanks to Alan for the work he has done.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well sorry, Mark, I don't know how. What would you like me to do?

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you, Alan!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, how about treating people how you yourself want to be treated? It takes two people to make a friendship, you can't just demand and expect it.

― Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's what i've been trying Vicky. People find me being nice totally creepy. People find noticing I exist too much to ask. It doesn't work.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you REALLY treat other people like you'd like to be treated? If someone had a problem with something you'd done would you like them to post a bitchy little message about it on a message board?

― Emma, Friday, 13 June 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

perhaps they're being wary of you, expecting you to revert back and not keep it up. I can't help feeling that you have a defeatist attitude, which means that your more or less wasting your time. It's as if your thinking to yourself, oh well, i'll go through the motions, then I can prove everyone that they're wrong, again...

― Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

ILX needs a new troll, obv. A whipping boy. Would make everyone feel better. Any volunteers?

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

i volunteer oops

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

is anyone else as bored with this as i am?

i agree with what everyone else said pro-alan.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

ALAN MUST STAY!

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bitchy little post: did graham actually ban james blount?

Vicky, explain this phenomena to me: I say something funny to someone. They laugh. I say something else. They laugh again. I think I'm making a good impression. They wander off and speak to someone else. Huh? Next time I see them, they as good as don't remember who I am. So I try again. Same thing happens. Same with email. People plain don't reply.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham

you try too hard, but you don't actually listen to the advice people give you, let alone take any of it. Which is why you've alienated so many people who now want nothing to do with you.

― Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, one particularly irksome thing you've done before and again today is hang the spectre of your own suicide over some relatively trivial to-do about which some ILXor has reasonably (or even unreasonably) complained, like the only alternative to our total acquiesence to your antics is your jumping from the nearest bridge. Speaking as someone who has seen several friends successfully kill themselves, this kind of talk is really grotesque and unfair.

― sissy-fuss(not mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't want advice. I want a cuddle.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who doesn't?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham how about when a very close friend of mine mailed you a present and you responded with an email calling her a bitch? What was the point of that?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clearly it was a call for a cuddle.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't be such a bitch, Dan. *opens arms expectantly*

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

What I'd like you to do, Graham:

Step one: Stop saying "sorry" when you totally don't mean it. It's more passive aggression, and it's intensely dislikeable (= many points on the "Reasons Not To Cuddle Graham" charts of literally dozens of readers).
Step two: Say sorry, sincerely, to Alan. You owe him a massive, absolute apology, on AND off-board. (Failure to do this = many more points on the "Reasons Not To Cuddle Graham" charts.)

I realise in the mood you're in this afternoon that one and two may not be simultaneously achievable. Try and ensure this mood passes swiftly.

Step three: one really obvious way of showing reciprocal friendship towards me would be behaving in a minimally civil manner towards people that I like.

I think I'll keep the other steps for personal email.

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan yr a cunt. (come here big guy!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was a misunderstanding Yanc3y)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think all SQL decisions should be made by majority vote. There are enough geeks round here.

More seriously, without going into the history, it's very nasty to insult someone for a coding "mistake". It's just a little query rewrite and there are ways of being diplomatic about these things.

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fair enough, Graham.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Step two: Say sorry, sincerely, to Alan.
Thanks Mark, butI don't want this. An apology would only make me feel worse - I could have tried harder to make it work. We've had e-mails back and forth over the last 2 months. I've thanked graham for helping me, I've apologised for doing things incorrectly. I've also, unfortunately, neglected to tell Graham when he's being unreasonably unpleasant, and today was just the last straw - I was tired of walking on egg shells. Making it public has made it worse -- i'd rather we hadn't.

Graham, I'm sorry this has happened. You were less than civil with me and I just wasn't in the mood for it today. I'm not changing my mind though. Let's just let it lie.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

(And why are you all so keen to think the worst of me?)

There was no need to rewrite the query. If you understood how much work I put into making this all work, and how much stress it's caused me, how much hassle everyone put me through wehn stuff didn't work, you'd understand why having some buffoon coming in and changing things without any care for why I might have done things the way I did was so totally offensive to me.

Alan doesn't get an apology until I get one from everyone here that's hurt me.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was addressed to Sean)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was addressed to Sam)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan doesn't want an apology.
Graham's not going to get one.

You know when you grab a kettle and it burns you and that hurts. Well, this is a reaction to tell you not to do it again.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan doesn't get an apology until I get one from everyone here that's hurt me.

Good luck with that.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan doesn't get an apology until I get one from everyone here that's hurt me.

Another point on the reasons not to cuddle Graham chart. Don't you get it yet?

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Greenspun's looking pretty good right about now.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was addressed to Sean)

Uh, WTF?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

(And why are you all so keen to think the worst of me?)

This is a shot in the dark, but it may be because you seem to be clinically disturbed and exhibit enough antisocial tendencies to match the profile of the average fictionalized serial killer.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm also quite keen to think the worst of anyone who'd call Alan "some buffoon".

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, I'm the only one on ILX at the moment who gets to call Sean mean things today!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

No no, everyone can take a crack at me, I just have no fucking clue what that was even about.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Nate gets a free pass due to the whole forehead-vulva thing, Noodles.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow. Graham's impersonation of an 8-year-old is uncanny. I have an oversized Izod shirt he can wear to complete the effect.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sean, I think he meant me - it was in response to my post.

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

What do you think Mr. Goatfish?

http://www.fishtaxidermist.com/images/mutton.jpg
I think Graham needs to learn how to be more tactful.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm also quite keen to think the worst of anyone who'd call Alan "some buffoon".

No, that bit was great!

This is a shot in the dark, but it may be because you seem to be clinically disturbed

This is the nub of it. I don't think there's any point in trying to impress upon Graham anymore what is normal behaviour that doesn't alienate people. He just can't see it. Or in trying to give advice on how to live his life. He is not ready for it. I hesitate to say all this publically, Graham, but it may serve to discourage fruitless ILX stuff about you every rearing its head every so often, be it well-intentioned friendly advice or exasperated hostility. You need help from a professional. I think you have already sort of pursued this and been disappointed, and I know it is a maze and underfunded and everything else, but I don't think you cannot get what you need here and us all (inc. you) banging our heads against the wall here is not helping anything.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

No I get it Nick. It's just everyone else (ie RickyT) seems determined to go on treating me like a leper. So why not let him? It's fun for everyone, I think you'll agree.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not sure what you think you get Graham.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time painstakingly painting on your leper's spots.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you are referring to my refusal to answer your AIM's it's because I don't think I can talk to you in a non-private medium right now without ranting.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

This and that, Nick.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Non-private = non-public above. I need to go home.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, you are once again behaving in appalling fashion. EVERY crime that you are accusing others of, you have committed to me. I've spent quite a lot of time and trouble talking to you, including times when you were desperately unhappy - and you have turned your back on me and walked away when someone younger and female and cute has walked in. I have sent you more than one friendly email, and received no replies at all. You have insulted me on the board here. I have taken all this because you are a troubled young man and I'd like to help, largely in gratitude for the huge contributions you have made for the running of this board. That's why I've bought you quite a few drinks at FAPs, and why I haven't moaned that you've never offered to buy me one. My best efforts don't mean that you should treat me as a friend or like me - you're perfectly free to think me an old tosser and want nothing to do with me - but if you treat people a hundred times worse than they treat you, your room for legitimate complaint is very small.

This row did not start from your being mistreated in any way. Alan tried out something he thought might work. He's a very clever and skilled man, and it did little if any harm as far as I could see, and there was certainly nothing wrong in his giving it a try - a lot of SQL performance issues can only really be settled by trying them out in real conditions. If there was really a slowdown in performance, why not just tell him so in an email and either of you could have switched back (or tried something new again, whatever). Why insult him publicly? The worst he did was make an entirely understandable mistake while trying to improve matters. You might be a better coder than Alan, I wouldn't know, but I have a job where I am currently basically in charge of and supervising a number of programmers and helping them write better code, including tuning their SQL and so on, and I would never treat any of these people the way you have behaved here. I'd expect real disciplinary trouble if any senior person behaved that way, and the fact that there is no such structure here doesn't make your actions any better.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

However many times a day Graham is getting his ass kicked at school, it isn't enough.

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, please, the world does not owe you a living. In the past you have abused or ignored many many people who offered you help and friendship, why in the name of God should they now kow tow to you?

Fuck this, I'm taking it to e-mail. I'm too angry.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't find thread IV.

So I guess I should have known better than to open a thread called "tongue splitting: C/D" if I didn't want to see a huge pic of, well, a split tongue. Maybe I'm stupid and oversensitive, but maybe there should be a warning? Eek ick ack uck.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

SHOUTING FOR THE MODERATOR IV
I'll go and catagorize it under META.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, I've been thinking about this a lot and talking to some people, and I'd like to apologise to Alan for trying to help. And to Mark and Martin and Vicky and Anna and everyone else who's tried their best with me. I'm sorry.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 4 July 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

[bumping to make sure appropriate people see it]

― Graham (graham), Friday, 4 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham - are you OK?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 4 July 2003 12:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good for you, man. Also hope yr Ok.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 4 July 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you for that, Graham. I happily accept, and I hope you are doing okay.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 July 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm fine, thank you.

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

Glad to hear things are going better for you, Graham.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

Yep.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hi moderators... i'm trying to put a picture in my profile and the url won't fit...... do i just need to get a better url or can this be fixed at this end? thanks :)

― minna (minna), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

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