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I read all but a few ILE threads, but I don't have the time for that on ILM too. Nor the interest in a lot of cases. But I know there must be great stuff there, threads that become fascinating, great individual posts (it bothers me a little that I am undoubtedly missing some prime Sinkah and Kogan stuff, for instance), hilarious exchanges and all that. Obviously some stuff might show up in the 'posts that made you laugh' thread, but I want those who spend lots of time on ILM to let us (or just me) know where I'm missing something special. A link and a reason for the recommendation would be good. (I will of course ignore ones from Calum saying "Here's a top thread where I go on about women repulsing me.")

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

when was the precise moment that Techno became dated?

Try that one, it's pretty interesting I found.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 5 April 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Most criminally unsung old-school & new-school hip-hop and R&B producers

Frank Kogan & Shasha Frere-Jones et al gettin' into it rather seriously

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 5 April 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Bang! thread has its moments but it's obscured mostly by a) stupid fighting (that's not even entertaining; apart from Suzy/Kate) and b) being a talkshop/market research for Bang!. It also has people boasting about being professional proof readers (!!! boasting!!!) for some reason.

The 'techno' thread is really interesting too.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 April 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

rockist scientist's oum oom umm thread just keeps on giving!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i just love the title!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, i second the om thread. it keeps getting revived and the discussion is v interesting. The bang! thread is v funny.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I know welfare mothers, so of course I can appreciate the *realness* of the Bang! thread!

― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 5 April 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I read the techno thread. LOts of top Geir, such as:

"I would say you have a very limited approach."

"Btw. dancing sucks. Good music should be enjoyed sitting, actively listening to it." (A top comment to make on a thread about dance music.)

but surely all the pop music now is electronic?
"Not the truly good pop music. Coldplay aren't electronic, Travis aren't electronic. Oasis aren't electronic. Crowded House weren't electronic."

But (and this is me again) the weirdest thing about that thread is how many people on it have this really tight aesthetic, and they are butting up against one another with no hope of real communication. Geir is the most bizarre and extreme example, but Ronan has his only strict and prescriptive aesthetic. I love Ronan's writing when he is enthusing about records he loves, but this is less fun.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I ain't starting on a 4000-post thread without stronger recommendation than the Bang one is currently getting. I will read the unsung R&B producers one. (Ha, I'm acting as if this is just for my benefit, just because I asked the question.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah you're much better with the R&B thread but it's really deep in an 'I feel extremely out of my depth' here kinda way. If you're not clued in it's hard going.

The Bang! thread I think is of limited interest to a) people who haven't read Bang! a) people who aren't too fussed about in-print music writing c) people who a soul d) people who think Popular is the greatest TV program in the world that I ever just watched ('cos it is!).

(Martin, I'll root about in the archives and post a link here to one or two of my favourite old threads that need reviving. Pinefox's Smiths one for example.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked the GNFingR OPX thread.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I've rather been avoiding any OP/PO threads for a long time, to be honest.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

The guava and cheese pastries are delicious.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 5 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(it bothers me a little that I am undoubtedly missing some prime Sinkah and Kogan stuff, for instance)

you can use ilm search to check on whether particular people have been posting, of course (not that i ever would ahem ahem ahem).

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 5 April 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I guess I could search for all Kogan and Sinkah posts - but they were just examples. Do I also search every day/week for all Tim F, Jerry the Nipper, Tom Ewing, Anna F posts? Where does this end?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah those ones are all rubbish, Martin. But I'll teach you how to spell my name, if you want.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 April 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously I already search daily for all your posts, David!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Just like I programmed you.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 April 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the g.hongro challenge is turning out well :)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

u r lazy.

― michael wells (michael w.), Saturday, 5 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

like me! point me to the dance threads!

― michael wells (michael w.), Saturday, 5 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I've been enjoying the Hongro challenge. He thinks Nik Kershaw is better than Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis, probably put together if that's the kind of thing you fancy trying out.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Me, I like the silly shit...

Arguing About Funk With Cigarettes

The Alex, Ally & Anthony Variety Hour

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 5 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I like EC's posts (is it Elvis Costello?)

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 6 April 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(N. -- looks more like dEclan maCmanus to me)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 6 April 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Revive because there are some long threads that look as if they might be a) interesting discussions of such things as misogyny, b) full of stupid comments about sexism, c) sprinkled with the kind of misogyny that maybe a moderator should read, or maybe all three. And besides, what I said at the top of this thread is still true so I'm interested in fresh recommendations. (I've lost faith in ILM even more, and haven't even marked a couple of recent deaths, because I was sort of despairing at the lack of interest in one I started a little while ago. I am torn between wanting to note, say, George Faith's passing, and not wanting to create the indignity of an obit thread that everyone ignores.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 24 May 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Film Criticism vs Music Criticism is good but difficult going. (I think as a rule-of-thumb all the 'misogyny' threads are rub. Also search: where jess posts an excellent Frank Kogan article on the 'Jism: Academic Bullshit' thread, near the bottom.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I posted some stuff on the "pox: disco" thread that I thought was good, though perhaps a little Vice-magaziney. There are other golden contributions there. We could, however, use your input, Martin!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 24 May 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I get exasperated with thread titles like that. We get (to exaggerate only slightly) POX Dinosaur Jr or Foo Fighters, then POX All Black Music Ever. I'll take a look though.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 24 May 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ilm seems especially weird lately.

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

um, its the same as usual actually.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Village Voice/DC C. Paper writer on "vocal complexity" in rap & Prefuse 73 vs. Kogan, Frere-Jones take on production is pretty excellent.

That's it! The only ism I want to come out of your mouths is jism. Overacademic Bullshit Must Die. has mutated pretty fast (& there's some really good stuff near the bottom, esp. the Kogan essay which would be right up yr alley, Martin.

― Ess Kay (esskay), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe you'd like to hear me prattling on on doom-e's prog-rock thread, as well. Shambling (mis)insights.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"I get exasperated with thread titles like that. We get (to exaggerate only slightly) POX Dinosaur Jr or Foo Fighters, then POX All Black Music Ever. I'll take a look though. "

i started the pox disco thread because i don't know very much about disco,and would like to know more
i'm sorry if that exasperates you,but i wasn't going to pretend that i know about something if i don't,and since i know there are lots of people on ilm who do know a lot about it i though it'd be a good place to get some recommendations...

― robin (robin), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry that was vague. I guess I mean that it seems like there are a lot of threads started about the same sort of things, and mainly negative things like misogny or that kind of thing. I wish there were more threads about how people really love things. Maybe I'm not digging deep enough.

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

disco is vice magaziney?

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i think its more that tracer is worried that the comments about the tracks on the disco thread are vice magaziney
i've never read vice so i can't really comment-i like the descriptions though,i'll have to get downloading

― robin (robin), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

''sorry that was vague. I guess I mean that it seems like there are a lot of threads started about the same sort of things, and mainly negative things like misogny or that kind of thing. I wish there were more threads about how people really love things. Maybe I'm not digging deep enough.''

I don't 'dig enough' either bcz i don't have the time but I read the titles and I've been around long enough to know what is 'good' for me and what isn't. I'm sure you can do the same.

I see yr point abt threads being 'circular' but sometimes you can learn something new on those bcz new ppl come in all the time etc.

don't click on the calum ones tho'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, I wasn't born yesterday. ;)

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yes surely the solution to "pox: [absurdly broad subject familiar to few on ILM]" vs "pox: [ridiculously particular and focused subject familer to many on ILM]" is for those who know their way around the too-broad subject to intervene with brio and educate and complicate, not to step away sadly shaking their heads at the state of youth today!!

in other news: i am nearly finished w.my first "teach mark s a LESSON" response

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

''those who know their way around the too-broad subject to intervene with brio and educate and complicate''

b-but miccio might complain!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the "POX : disco" thread has gotten me into downloading lots of disco, pretty much (though I finally thought to search through the archives, but none of the existing threads seem any more "useful" than this one) (also as a great singles genre which is also way back before I was born etc, the POX : genre thing works in it's favour - not too much to be overwhelming, but enough to etc etc).
tracer's comments were really good (esp. since nobody else has commented).

― Ess Kay (esskay), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Robin, I didn't at all mean a dig at you. I fully accept that this can be a good way to learn some things (except it tends to be just lists of records) - I get exasperated at the bias towards particular areas of ILM (and magazines like Mojo say), and examples like those I cited are just a manifestation of that. I find it almost impossible to start thinking in such terms in areas where I love/like hundreds or even thousands of tunes, which is why I still haven't chipped in there. I'd be more keen to post one long thing about something not yet mentioned (say the Trammps sublime Penguin At The Big Apple/Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart) than a list of ten that I love best.

Thanks for the film/music crit pointer, Cozen. I've just read through the whole wonderful thread, and posted something that I think has some vague relevance (except it's mostly about comics, sadly). Lots of ILM's best and brightest on strong form. I miss Josh. Not got round to the 'jism' one yet, but I will.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah don't worry about it martin,i understood your point and so on,i just wanted to point out that threads like that were of benefit to someone-i only have limited resources and am trying to hear as much music as possible,so i thought it would be a good way to hear some disco...
i'm aware that i'm always dipping my toes into genres people could write hundreds of pages about,looking for a few songs to download or whatever,but i dont really see any other way of trying to get to know about all the hundreds of types of music i haven't even heard yet...

perhaps you should start a more specific disco thread,there are lots of people on ilm who know a lot about it(as you can see from the thread),i'm just not one of them

― robin (robin), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I would have no problems with the big broad threads if there were occasionally more detailed threads that took off in those areas. It's things like my last obit thread for a wonderful if fairly minor soul figure getting one response that make it look as if the superficial overview is all we can get in areas outside ILM's core interests. Unfortunately my interests are mostly outside that core.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been droppin' mad science. That's all I know.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

the 'vocal complexity prefuse etc.' thread really is good stuff

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The Overacademic Bullshit thread is mostly pretty poor, but there are some great bits, most certainly including that Kogan essay.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

in other news: i am nearly finished w.my first "teach mark s a LESSON" response -- mark s (mar...)

HOORAY-y-YAY!!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin I think "pick only 10" is sort of ridiculous on the face of it, but then so is "Request For Information"; the former far-too-VH-1 and the latter too much like a visit to the dentist but there are benefits to actually trying to figure out what 10 you actually would want to put down, I didn't pick the "best" I just picked ones I had the most to say about.

Chip: according to Sarah Michelle Gothster disco is the new indie rock, so make of that what you will!! (?)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it rude to suggest that those of who complaining about ILM might find some other means of communication and not pin such high hopes on an internet message board?

― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 25 May 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 25 May 2003 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Re the Disco POX -- this is one thread where explanations might not be that necessary! The whole canon is so uniformly fantastic (even the mediocre stuff is interesting as a study in formalism) that you have very little to lose by just picking a title or two and diving in. Although I guess it would help to say "orchestral" or "Eurodisco" or whatever for people who are looking for something in particular.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 25 May 2003 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Does that mean disco is a Good Genre?

If so, does it logically follow that there are Bad Genres - a notion that many have denied? (ie: 'every genre has good and bad... open your ears', blah blah.)

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Polka is a bad genre.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

You hurt Frank Yankovic in his heart.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

'umpah' is a basically dud-studded realm

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I would've said the same, Nicole, before I worked at a folklife festival that featured polkas from Wisconsin and Eastern Europe (and a lot of norteno that sounded suspiciously like polka)--it can be a bracingly fun and engaging music.

I wouldn't go so far as to say no genres are "bad" because genres are constituted and identified by many different means, and someimes a genre is labelled simply to seal it off from other, more respectable but uncomfortably similar styles ("mook rock" anyone?). But in general I figure that if I'm resistant to an entire genre of music, it's due to my own laziness or some other failing and nothing else.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate polka because it is bracingly fun and engaging - it's like a bunch of plump, jolly people dancing around on your head. This does not make me a goth, though!

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicole what is your actual experience with polka?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

and a lot of norteno that sounded suspiciously like polka

For very good reason -- there was a large amount of Eastern European immigration into northeast Mexico in the late nineteenth century. They brought the accordions along, and that's why norteno and Tex-Mex and etc. has such a notable polka-related influence.

This does not make me a goth, though!

Keep telling yourself that. I have embraced the non-light, you can too! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned you sound like you're giving a presentation at that festival. Norteno has cooler drum fills than polka, but on the other hand they don't have tubas.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

My grandfather was a great polka afficianado so I heard a lot when I was younger. I have resolved not to hear much since then.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

And thus does variety keep itself going in a world threatened with homogenization, my dear Amateurist. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned beat me to the Norteno lecture. I love Norteno.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(mark s lesson response 2 goes up tonight) (not yrs yet julio)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I figure that if I'm resistant to an entire genre of music, it's due to my own laziness or some other failing and nothing else.

That's surely quite possible. But why don't you (or I, or we) apply the same argument to your (my, our... ) resistance to anything and everything else?

I'm not really, seriously looking to have this discussion (it smacks of Old ILM, somehow, for good or ill). I just think the 'no bad genres', or 'never dismiss an entire genre' argument is a bit of an old canard.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, see the first sentence in that graf.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The news that Morrisey has signed to Sanctuary records.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

But it was whiney. It was like Dawn Summers posting.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to relate the two previous posts together and my mind has entered a trancelike state of bemusement.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Back to the original question: what's good on ILM?

I dunno, I just go for the ass.

― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

is it a poster's ass or what?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's good for killing brain cells. Kind of like sniffing gasoline.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

how is going for ass like sniffing gasoline?!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Depends on the ass you sniff.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just talking about ILM in general!!! It's the Dawn Summers of message boards.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

who is dawn summers and can we sniff him/her?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Dawnie

http://www15.brinkster.com/buffyslay1/images/player_key.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

My useful thread has been a bit short of good recommendations of late. Too much talk of polka.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, who is Dawn Summers?

I wanna read that Charles Keil article where he calls out musicologists for largely ignoring polka.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"Article"?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0877228191.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, I thought I had just read about some article in an anthology of music writing. Well, I loved Urban Blues so that's going on the wish list...

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(lesson response 2 delayed owing to ~~big brother 4~~ unforeseen domestic complications)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i still need to respond to my lesson response!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey that didn't show up. She's Buffy's little sister. Will this work?

http://www.zone-sf.com/images/buffy3.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I think ILM is the buffy actually.

but anyway, both of 'em can be sniffed.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 29 May 2003 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're Calum, maybe.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 29 May 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, i think they would smell good!

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

''If you're Calum, maybe.''

you hurt me!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

I think my salsa thread has suddenly gotten pretty interesting, thanks to a new contributor.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it Antonio Carlos Jobim?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

give us a link rockist.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the aformentioned salsa thread Is anyone here listening to salsa? Other Latin music?

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

not much, I'm afraid.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 July 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It seemed like a good day to revive this, in light of the news that ILx is shutting down.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 July 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Manics thread!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 July 2003 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? I've not checked that one out. I'll try to get to that one before ricardo's worms take it down.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 July 2003 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not "good" in the traditional sense of good but it's the funnniest thing I've read in about a year.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 July 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

i've been holidaying. any ilm threads from the past two weeks worth a look?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

No.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Until the bickering started -- or more fairly, outside the bickering -- the "worst record review" thread (most of which is a discussion of a Radiohead review and of Radiohead in general) was good, I thought, and that's just something I clicked on randomly.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, as a main culprit in the bickering, I was focused on that ridiculously sucky portion of the bickering. But yeah, ignore everything I say and read Melissa's posts, those are great.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 September 2003 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, not ignoring everything you say: it's the bickering aspect of the bickering that isn't good, not the content of the bickering, if that makes any sense.

Either way, though, yeah, Melissa's posts are terrific.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 September 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

kilian, whatever you do don't go near the One out, one in thread ;)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 19 September 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been enjoying the threads on specific songs - I always enjoy those, they seem more focussed.

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 20 September 2003 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

four weeks pass...

It bothers me to be a hater n all, but after a summer hiatus from ILX, I find ILM lacking much of the spark it had...oh about this time last year. I know "ILX/M/E not as good as it used to be/t'ain't what it used to be" is the duddest of duds, but has anyone else found this? I mean no disrespect to many of the regular posters (or anyone in particular-*treads carefully*), and I am enjoying a lot of stuff from people like Al (in particular), Stelfox, Sonny A, and jaymc, but there really haven't been many killer threads for a long while, and it would be great if people got back in there and treated it like a frickin' seminar again. I don't really know what my point is- I just guess a lot of great posters have got other things to do with their time, and god bless those people if that's the case.

*rambles on for another five minutes*

Or is it just me?

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait for The Black Album, Adam!

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a feeling that Blount, Matos, Ewing, Raggett, etc. are all about to line up and kick me in the balls. Hard.

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Outkast temporarily sapped much of ILM's critical faculties by creating divisions and infighting. I suspect a conspiracy to destroy the dangerously brilliant minds over there.

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

TS:Outkast vs Vice Magazine vs Kill Bill

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh, I never open threads once they're past two hundred or so. Especially when the fights contained within start getting referenced on other threads. Suffice to say I haven't even trained my pointer on the Kill Bill thread!

Though I did just see the trailer for it on the Confessions of a Dangerous Mind DVD, and I'm actually interested in seeing it. I know reading that thread would punch a gaping hole in that interest. And probably make me despair for humanity in the deal.

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That is, I saw the trailer for the FILM Kill Bill. There is (far as I know) no trailer for the THREAD Kill Bill.

How did I get tricked into coming to ILE anyway?

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

How did I get tricked into coming to ILE anyway?

It's like a maze. We'll all die here.

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

You and s1utsky with your damn film threads = the cheese that led this mouse in!

In part, anyway

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I just called myself a mouse.

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pbskids.org/lions/words/images/cheese.gif

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.tresman.co.uk/caroline/cheese.gif

― rob geary (rgeary), Sunday, 19 October 2003 06:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ewing is getting married soon. ned is on holiday (though he should be on a plane going back home as i write) and ppl are generally posting less (including me as my time is being eaten up with even more work). mark s is busy with his book.

It could be that for many its an end of year thing.

but don't worry bcz that means many list threads [/vomit]

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

actually I'm looking quite a bit through ILM right now (first time in a week i'm doing this) and this is a v good thread:

Is 'Man Needs a Maid' ridiculous?

Unfortunately there is some sexist rubbish on another thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Adaml, thanks, but I can't think of anything worthwhile I've posted on ILM lately! (This is not false modesty; all I remember writing are one-liners and lists!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 19 October 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

N. on the 'Man Needs a Maid' thread made me listen to (and like! something I've never once achieved!) Harvest.

― David. (Cozen), Sunday, 19 October 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the "who are the beatles/bowie/aretha of today" thread is surprisingly good, about halfway through, after robin carmodys appearance, it then becomes all about royalty and punk and deference and politics and from then on is a great thread

― charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Adaml, thanks, but I can't think of anything worthwhile I've posted on ILM lately! (This is not false modesty; all I remember writing are one-liners and lists!)

It was more of a general impression. And I liked the SFJ Outkast thread that you at least had the good sense to start up.

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a feeling that Blount, Matos, Ewing, Raggett, etc. are all about to line up and kick me in the balls. Hard.

Precisely. Uh, no, wait...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Daddino GBV thread too. And the Basement Jaxx one. Ach, what the hell have I got to complain about?

(welcome back, ned!)

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Rah!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i even got bored on the pseudo echo thread the other day...

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

I'm curious about the "Hip Hop Is About To Die" thread, but I've never opened it. What's the gist of it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Arrgh. Part XIII of the Geir franchise.

― cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but if you get past the typical dunderheadedness, it's an interesting thread. I mean, it sort of raises questions as to the ability of a genre to "die" and what circumstances have to arise for that to happen.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, not really, people kept feeling the need to acknowledge geir

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Not sure about Dizzee Rascal ...

Is very funny.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I just put that in the LOL thread matt.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

It's good to see all the thoughtful dialogue happening on the various meta-P&J (mostly) threads, but I find that much of the time when I read them it makes me really glad I'm not a music critic. Also, it's getting more and more removed from anything that relates to what I enjoy about music, which is fine. I'm not complaining. I feel that I should be happy with these threads, but I'm not.

The "DareYou!" thread has a lot of potential, but hasn't taken off quite as much as I expected. (Incidentally, Martin Skidmore to the "Dare You!" thread, please.)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 16 February 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it weird to go to a concert if you don't have the records first?
Fiery Furnaces
How Autistic Are You?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 23 February 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

alligning people's innocent observations about music with the politics of hate; c/d?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

N. otm in the last two posts.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

How the hell did I read this thread title as "What if God was on ILM"? I must be really tired.

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan Perry just shouted out poohead_48 on the Hey Ya thread. Everything else is pretty blah.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

If you don't read NYLPM (shame on you) or look at ILM very often, then you must at least go and check out and contribute to this thread:

Album covers redrawn from memory in MS Paint

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 1 April 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, that's a pretty good one.

― Kingfish Hypercolor (Kingfish), Thursday, 1 April 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

so very good

Album covers redrawn from memory in MS Paint

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oops!!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I just searched and didn't check to see if it had been revived.

Sorry, jel.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The ms paint thread is a thing of beauty. It almost makes me want to take back every bad thing I've ever said about ilm.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I just opened this thread to post about that MSPaint one as well. It's my favouritest thing on ILM ever.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

everyone's going to be doing this at faps now.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

pictionary for people who spent too much time in record stores.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

anyone still reading ILM?

updates?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I am reading it less and less...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, there hasn't been much of interest there lately, at least in the threads that I have looked at. I probably miss the interesting ones though.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ummmm, there was a thread about blow jobs yesterday...and...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The PJ Harvey thread is actually very interesting.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

It was until a couple of people showed up and the predictable results ensued.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i hardly read it anymore, but i was pleased as punch to see i've fallen off the ile top 50.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Take me with you. please. I can't stop posting.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

What is it like down there? Are there drinks?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

there is a blissful serenity.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(strongo beeing pleased, apocalypse is unaccomplishcated)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oddly however i am spending more time online than ever

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sensing that the "unquestionably the best album ever omg" Big and Rich threads are going to annoy me more than any Outkast threads.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever is good on ILM, this (Only Pick One: Every Artist And Group Ever) isn't it.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"oddly however i am spending more time online than ever"

no no porn doesn't count. that's recreational.
I mean if it wasn't online it'd be on the dvd wouldn't it.
so relax.

― Krankenhaus, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I need to learn Strongo's secret.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it like Victoria's?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

is it like Service??

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Jess is the "mystery" purchaser of the ILX Thong.

― Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god, no.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

That would put a whole different spin on "The Thong Song".

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo enough for a man
http://www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/133358.gif

bloody xposts

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

this is why i left.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That would put a whole different spin on "The Thong Song".

Oh c'mon, Sisqo blatantly saw himself as a candidate for a nice, snug, bootyfloss.

― Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, this friendly teasing has really overstepped the mark, huh, Jess?

― Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

that pj harvey thread is a prety entertaining read, actually.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

'cling to the old dreams'!!!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

not in the top 50 anymore but anyway, a quick scan through new answers:

Playing "We Are The Champions" when a sports team wins the championship -- Dud or big fat shitty dud?
omg wtf Albert Ayler fans brace yourselve
The all-new dancehall rhythm info/discourse thread
Miles' "On the Corner"
Steve Lacy - Master of the soprano saxophone
Slow-burning Free Jazz

that PJ harvey thread:

"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 June 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

End of a half-decade: ILM kinda official Top 100 Albums & Tracks Poll - NOMINATIONS PLEASE!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago)

If you're into jokey threads, then this: Recommend me music that sounds like Low and Leonard Cohen.
this: invent Acid Mothers Temple album titles!!
and this: "I'm not feelin' it."
are all pretty amusing, each in their own way. (The last one isn't completely a jokey thread, but I still thought it was funny.)

― St. Nicholas Ridiculous (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:59 (twenty years ago)

It's kind of boring to me right now, but I guess my taste is just too old and peripheral.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago)

I really could use ILM distraction at work right now. I'll be going home shortly though.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Rockist, you listen to a lot of interesting (a lot of non-western, right?) stuff, but it seems too overwhelming for me to dive into. Could you give me some starting points, some of your favorites?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago)

That's okay, you don't have to try to keep me entertained. (I'm home now too, so now my posts seem really really silly.)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago)

I seriously would like to see some sort of all-time fav list of yours.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

End of a half-decade: ILM kinda official Top 100 Albums & Tracks Poll - VOTE NOW!!!

Voting closes in two and a half hours.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 16 August 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago)

And we now have a '90s poll too - nominating at present on THE 1990s POLL - nominations here plz, and people suggesting things for others to nominate on Filter your suggestions for THE 1990s POLL out of that thread and put them here..

The 21st Century results are all up too, at ILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS and ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS. The singles list is more acceptable than the albums one, for me.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago)

Yes, all ILM shirkers please nominate some stuff that will prevent it being swamped by US alt-rock. I have some suggestions here!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, I would check those out if I didn't hate lists.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago)

Besides the polls, modern ILM is in dire need of some quality control.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Please, Nicole. You don't have to vote - just nominate something good!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago)

i find ILM quite scary

― gem (trisk), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Make it less so!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago)

I reprazented some Aussie stuff which hardly anyone else did, which reminds me I gotta go back and vote for tracks.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I will check them out tomorrow.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 30 August 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost - nah it can stay scary without me. I hardly ever post there anymore after someone was nasty to me for saying I think trip hop singers have sexy voices. This probably says much more about how pathetic I am than how scary ILM is.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 30 August 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago)

gem- Just keep posting abt what you like and ignore the nasties. You'll eventually find ppl that like what you like.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 30 August 2004 11:02 (twenty years ago)

The idea of what might appear in an ILM 90s poll fills me with dread really.

However, it could also be a more interesting and suprising list in that the 90s predates ILM and therefore the kind of consensus that was pretty apparent in the Top 20 for both 00s lists.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 30 August 2004 11:37 (twenty years ago)

US Alt-rock is the best music though.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 30 August 2004 11:48 (twenty years ago)

ok, i put some suggestions there alba, perhaps they will even be good ones

― this kentish weald, david, this kentish WEALD! (gareth), Monday, 30 August 2004 11:51 (twenty years ago)

oh gareth its just reminders: ppl are meant to look at those and think twice before posting their nominations.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 30 August 2004 11:57 (twenty years ago)

The 2000+ poll demonstrated just how far I am from the canon, it was quite heartening to be honest.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 30 August 2004 11:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah - I know the thread titles are confusing but please make your nominations (two tracks, two albums) on:

THE 1990s POLL - nominations here plz

The other thread is just for informal suggestions and as such is fairly useless.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago)

we could use more noms for The Most OMGWTFLOL Singles Of The '90s. The current nominees are listed here. I'm not gonna cut off nominations until Sunday or if peters out earlier. If we get a lot more noms I'll add a (ROFFLE) to the OMGWTFLOL.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago)

It's two nominations per person, but if somebody's stupid and puts more I'll usually count 'em anyway.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago)

As far as I can make out, no one has taken any notice of the pleas of mine and Martin. Except for gareth going to the wrong thread.

THE 1990s POLL - nominations here plz

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 06:32 (twenty years ago)

its really weird, i always think ILE is the one with the need of quality control, and that ILM is pretty much fine, or same as it ever was. At least I always check the latter before the former.

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:04 (twenty years ago)

All the action is on ILM today.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago)

are nostalgic polls all it is good for now tho?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago)

The polls have made me much more interested in ILM than I was a month ago, that's for sure.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago)

this is what the music video channels have learned - every weekend is a top 100 weekend now

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago)

some gd stuff on here:

has anyone found a meaningful common ground between prog and disco?
Bjork - Medulla
why do people on ILM hate "live through this" ?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I have tried to make a break from all this poll madness with

Is the internet making music... better?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago)

haha this ties in with it:

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/nylpm/2004_09_01_nylpm_archive.html#109413573672825440

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Ooh - that's nice, they picked my thread. I still feel it has yet to really get going, but maybe it never will.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Sorry about not contributing to the poll, etc. but I just find those sorts of things to be too impenetrable and intimidating.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)

I know EVERYONE on ILX was waiting for the day when me and Rockist Scientist would watch the Latin Grammys together. The long wait is over!

Latin Grammys 2004

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Is there an ILM thread about the iPod's artifical intelligence? Mine has a real love for Kate Bush, Aimee Mann and Miss Kittin, though this morning it played a long and statistically improbably Tim Hopkins megamix followed by Bright Eyes.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:44 (twenty years ago)

Aren't you more intrigued about how Bright Eyes got on there?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago)

i am going to find out the truth ONCE AND FOR ALL on this iPod random = intelligent thing. i hear lots of theories, my faves being NO IT REALLY IS RANDOM, and as a second option that it weights depending on how recent you added to iTunes (i.e. recent = more likely).

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:50 (twenty years ago)

My Winamp once played 3 Neil Diamond songs in a row when on 'random'. I guess it was just in that kind of mood...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago)

Neil Diamond IS kinda random tho

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:52 (twenty years ago)

Alan, the latter can't be right IMHO; as for the former, what are the odds that it will ALWAYS play Aimee Mann within the first 5 or 6 songs when on shuffle? She only makes up 1/200th of the playlist!

(doh, meant to say improbable T!m Hopkins, not improbably - "Improbably T!m Hopkins" sounds like a chick lit bestseller)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:53 (twenty years ago)

I'd buy it.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 September 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago)

EXHIBIT A http://www.macminute.com/2004/08/26/shuffle

When confronted with theories about the way the iPod choses the random tracks, Stan Ng, Apple's director of iPod product marketing, laughed. "The funny thing about it is that it really is random," he said. "When you turn on Shuffle Songs, it creates a randomized list of all the music on your iPod without repeating a song."

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 3 September 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago)

related article I can't read cos i don't have a NYT account: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/technology/circuits/26ipod.html

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 3 September 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago)

Mark, your Aimee Man may be just a victim of the "pseudo" part of pseudo random. that's not meant to be a jab at Mann as a pseud - i mean that some quirks of recurrence maybe due to the pseudo-randomness (i.e. not truly random) of the shuffle function.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 3 September 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. Is it really hard to create proper randomness on a computer? I hear it is, though I forget why.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Because computers follow logical instructions? You couldn't create a truly random list either. Nothing's random, except supposedly at some sub-atomic level that I don't really understand. Physicists?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago)

I know EVERYONE on ILX was waiting for the day when me and Rockist Scientist would watch the Latin Grammys together.

Next year, let's invite Nick Hornby.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago)

related article I can't read cos i don't have a NYT account

Alan, you should try bugmenot.com. It gives you names and passwords for any of the sites like nytimes.com that require registration.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago)

Best ILM thread ever:

"Down In The Tube Station At Midnight" by The Jam - What Does It Mean?

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:53 (twenty years ago)

I keep meaning to read that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

You really should.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Mark - Bright Eyes the band or the song? I can't decide which would be better.

― Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Bright Eyes the band, Madchen. I have Bright Eyes the song on their too, if that helps. I like one song by the band, that's all, even if I'd quite like to torture Conor 0berst so that he'd really have something to whine about, the spazz.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago)

That thread has now overegged the plum pudding.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago)

That's not pudding...

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago)

< /Servo >

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago)

My plan to make ILM good again: A collective effort by which everyone revives one (just ONE) of their favourite threads. Then discourse shall spring anew. Maybe the good old threads will inspire some choice new additions.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:28 (twenty years ago)

ilm is been great lately. d00d!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago)

ILM is really only good these days if you like country, noise, prog, disco, electro, folk, rap, house, techno, punk, metal, post-punk, glam, indie rock, pop, salsa, new wave, fusion, and Harvey Sid Fisher. If you don't like that stuff then you would probably be bored.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago)

what about grime????

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago)

also - I see no good pop threads. Annie maybe.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago)

TS: Virtuosity in rap: MF Doom vs. Tupac is good.

― m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago)

scissor sisters wz ok and there was a thread on the new destiny's child single last week, as i recall.

grime -- it depends if there is a lot going on or not.

x-post: ha wz gonna paste that link mitch!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm starting to be really irritated by the Scissor Sisters. they were everywhere in the UK.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, grime too! And psych and krautrock and wacky 60's/70's/80's/90's stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago)

and french bon bons:

New French Underwear! I Mean New Folk Underground! I Mean New Makeout Music For The Bedhead Set AND Their White Wine Sipping Liberal Parents! I Mean...Oh, Keren Ann, You've Got Me All Bugaboo!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago)

"also - I see no good pop threads."

Then start one, dood!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago)

haha look: discourse is springing anew!!

Why does black people never want to rock?

― jones (actual), Thursday, 16 September 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago)

OK, here's a pretty good thread that I don't think many people have read. It hasn't been revived since it was initially started:

Blues and Rap

At least I THINK it was pretty darn good; I'm not gonna re-read the whole thing right this second, but since you asked...

― Reed Moore (diamond), Thursday, 16 September 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

This is the thread where we anticipate and then flip out over how great M.I.A.'s 'Arular' is

Is the best ILM thread in a very long time.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Everyone here now now quick now.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 6 March 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

so great lately, actually. science is being dropped here:

NME: the final straw

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

That thread's good, if you can ignore the Calum posts (tho perhaps he does fulfill some role as the living embodiement of the NME's current demographic)

I also like the Power Pop thread.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

That thread's good, if you can ignore the Calum posts

Actually, it's kind of awesome again now (Hongro has Tried It, you see.)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

These days it's all people patting themselves on the backs for avoiding the snare's of rockism and liking pop music.

― RS, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

these days?

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

snare's?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Yes, inauthenticity is the new authenticity. A snare for the unwary!

― moley, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm always avoiding the SNAKES of rockism, personally.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

http://imgs.idnes.cz/telefony/A011204_N5510_DISPLEJ-SNAKE_N.JPG

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

And, yes, that current rockism thread should be soundtracked entirely by sarcastic slow clapping.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

gimme some gated snare

― charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

But surely people who open threads about rockism deserve to be punished?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Why are they still opening threads about rockism? Why? Whyyyyy? WHY???

― Leon Federline (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

threads on rockism are always worth opening bcz eventually i will post on em

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

even if i hate myself for it

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

do not read this threrad if i hate myself for it

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

the best comment on that thread is still Ian's last one.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Renee Zellweiger marries Kenny Chesney?!?

― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Why do threads
Suddenly appear
Every time
Rock is near?

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

just like me
they long to be
fetishing rappers to mask a deep-rooted resentment of their spiralling success plus a libertarian guilt complex regarding racial and class stereotyping

― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

http://www.weberpl.lib.ut.us/images/rough_draft/2001/RDsummer01/trimble.jpg
"You know, I hear a lot about rockism these days and I think it's time we discussed it in-depth."

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

gear you made me search right through that thread to read what ian said! don't spoil a good gag by grindin it into the ground!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

let alone the most oldest and most boring gag on ilx

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

roffle

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I just went through the same exercise as da sinkaman. sharpened my search engine skillz0r, though.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

what in the world is libertarian guilt?

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

roger feeling bad about stealing ammo from the gun shop?

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Hey you punks there IS some good discussion on that new rockism thread. If you can't turn on your Geir filters that's your own lookout. Besides, at one point Tim noted that Nicole is always right and never wrong re: music, which personally I'm all for supporting (even when I disagree with her ;-) ).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

always right and never wrong THIS IS HOW NAZI GERMANY STARTED

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

Librarian Guilt?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Rockism thread aftershow party:

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/laughingfamily_small.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

GREEN SWEATER: "This is why I'm hesitant to endorse accounts of musical enjoyment that hinge on a distinction of false/real consciousness - unless the account rejects enjoyment of music in its entirety what it is really doing is trying to set up distinctions of good/bad false-consciousness (ie. it is okay to be deceived if it is in the following manner, for the following purposes, and with the following results...)"

GROUP: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GREEN SWEATER: "No seriously...how could I make that up?"

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Nice to see Paul Morley there at the back on the right-hand side.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

it's like it's nothing but threads that start out 'where is the love' or 'don't think!' wtf?

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm vaguely offended that I've been associated with the red wine drinker above.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

...

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Your mom is good on ILM

― haha, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think this thread is pretty amazing, actually:

Should music writing have a knowledge of musicality? Is ILM representative of music fandom in general?

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

afrirampo

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

I prejudged that music knowledge thread by the title. Didn't know it was started by a regular with references to Dan and Nabisco, etc. etc. Will check it out.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

What with me starting this thread, ages ago, and Cozen now citing an Afrirampo thread, I wonder if he has somehow heard that I am going to see them on Friday?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think I saw you mention it on another thread, martin, yeah... but mainly I was just being 'funny', given that there were no answers on that thread at the time I posted it... : /

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

hope you enjoy the show though! have you heard their records?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

One album, yes, which I like enormously. I know two other people who are going, and they are both middle-aged blokes too, so I assume the audience will all be like that...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

ward fowler (aka ajl) innit

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

that is indeed half of the two people yes

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

(completely off-topic, but I have had the phrase "Martin 'Hairbear' Skidmore" stuck in my head for two weeks)

― emilys. (emilys.), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

If your partner regularly falls asleep on the couch w/o tooth brushing

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Aaliyah's "One in a Million" vs. Guns N'Roses' "One in a Million"

About a year old, but still one of my favorites.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Not on ILM, but my reaction to that gig discussed above: http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/nylpm/2005_10_01_nylpm_archive.html#112998679956573506.

Sorry, Emily! That can only be disturbing. I hope your sleep hasn't been ruined too much.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 22 October 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Is there an ILM thread for posting your pointless lists of what you liked in 2005 yet???

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

A 2005 Round-Up
Vote For Your Top 3 albums OF 2005 HERE...
OFFICIAL ILM 2005 POLL You know you want to...

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

i'm doing mine here if you're interested.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

That Weezer album is one of my faves of the year! It's so funny.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and thanks! Maybe I will make a list on my ahem live journal, but the Powerpuff Girls movie is on now!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

um...

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

er...

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

what i mean to say is...

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

*sigh*

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ha.

Rolling metal thread is great, as is Martin's funk thread.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Martin's funk thread

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

This thread on 80s & 90s rawk nostalgia was terrific fun. And i'm sure has the legs to continue for a while yet if more people notice it(and don't get put off by the thread title)

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

I've enjoyed this one a lot as well:

How do the various members of Terrorvision spend their time these days?

Though it's a bit UK-specific.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

The best fights these days are on the modern classical/avant-garde music threads.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 15 January 2007 00:19 (eighteen years ago)

This is my favorite YouTube related thread EVER, and it happens to be on ILM (so come join the fun):

The You Tube thread for late 70's/early 80's post punk new wave gems that will set your pants on fire!

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Monday, 15 January 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

Oh god yes!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

Just deal with the fact that some people didn't like the video without resorting to grandiose theorising about how this video is needed to combat the fact that the internet allows the constant expression of dissatisfaction with everything.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)

six years pass...

absolutely fuck-all

― they were untenable. they had to go (imago), Monday, 30 September 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago)

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