MTV Picks the Greatest MCs of All-Time

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http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index2.jhtml

10.LL Cool J
9. Eminem
8. Ice Cube
7. Big Daddy Kane
6. KRS-One
5. Nas
4. Rakim
3. The Notorious B.I.G.
2. 2pac
1. Jay Z

Not as completely horrible as it could have been. Bloviate.

― Eric Harvey (eric marathonpacks), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:40 (twenty years ago)

2pac in wildly over-rated shockah.

― Boring Someone in Some Dark Cafe (noodle vague), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

No Chuck D? Geez Louise!

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

would've thought maybe an old school dude like Melle Mel couldn've made the top 10...also no Scarface or Kool G Rap in the top 10 seems pretty wrong.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:00 (twenty years ago)

also nobody from the south....which i'm probably not well versed enough to tell you who should've been on there, but i dunno, like Bun B or Big Boi or something?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

should've been rakim at no. 1

― Stone (stone), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Honorable mentions (from MTV):

Andre 3000
Big Pun
Black Thought
Common
Lauryn Hill
Kool G Rap
Scarface
Slick Rick
Snoop Dogg

― Eric Harvey (eric marathonpacks), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Andre 3000
Big Pun
Black Thought
Common
Lauryn Hill
Kool G Rap
Scarface
Slick Rick
Snoop Dogg

Still no Chuck D? Geez Louise 2x

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

For a start there's the problem of whether they mean Greatest MC in terms of great records made or abstract "skillz". If they mean the latter, it's still a bullshit list but in a different way. It's just a wanky "these are the safely acknowledged greats" list that's got nothing at all to do with records you might actually enjoy.

― Boring Someone in Some Dark Cafe (noodle vague), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Verse Three: Kool G. Rap

Ayyo, I represent Queens, on crime scenes a murder machine
Put M-16's in niggaz spleens
So head for the hills, nigga cause when I get ill
it's blood spilled for real
I aim my fuckin steel and shoot to kill
So grab your bodyshield get ready for the dustin
The biscuit that I'm clutchin
Puffin like cess but that's the fuckin dutchman
Buckin at all you sucka cluckin niggaz that want the ruckus
We'll be three niggaz who's clappin but we ain't applaudin you motherfuckers
Keep my mack hid up under back, two shots to crack lids
Ain't gotta go rush to Toys R Us to get you Cabbage Patch Kids
Once I let the laser beams gleam and the red dots are seen,
Your whole team is gettin blown to smithereens
Queens on the motherfuckin map nigga we stay strapped
In fact I let a AK cap push your toupee back
Runnin with mad sons gunnin shit up and leave your hit up for the funds
Niggaz better stick to they guns

― Tim Passantino, Friday, 21 April 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)

common shouldn't be within a 100 miles of top 10 of all time.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

MTV2's countdown of the top22 greatest MCs ever (MENTALISM!)

Looks like that list was a bit different.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

You mean MTV isn't the world's number one authority on MCs??

― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

no wu-tang?? this list is weak like clock radio speakers.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

KRS-One? Are they kidding!?!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 April 2006 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Glaring omissions: Scarface, Kool G Rap, Chuck D and Lauryn Hill.

Idiotic selections: KRS-One

It's an OK list, just in the wrong order.

― MaxReax, Friday, 21 April 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

lauryn hill really? mc lyte should be on way before her.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

People dissin' KRS better hope he don't hear about it.

Three way tie for first: Chuck, Rakim, KRS1.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 21 April 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

No Eazy-E, No Credibility.

― Boring Someone in Some Dark Cafe (noodle vague), Friday, 21 April 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Roxanne Shante could rap circles around Nas, but then again so could Andy Milonakis

― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Friday, 21 April 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

The lack of Chuck and any Wu Tang alumnus just baffles the mind.

Glad to see that Cube is still respected, though. His post NWA phase (Amerikkka's, Predator, Death Certificate, Da Lench Mob) plus all the lyrics he wrote for NWA earned him at least a top 20 spot.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

KRS-One is only there because of "Sound Of Da Police"; everything else he's done is really, really, really, really awful.

I'm mad that Q-Tip and Phife Dawg are nowhere near this list.

― Dan (I Hate KRS-One) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

THA ONE TRUE GREATEST MC:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/hukl/rayburn.jpg

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

everything else he's done is really, really, really, really awful.

dude criminal minded is awesome!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Lauryn Hill would have to be in my top-5. When she's on and interested in rapping (ala "Lost Ones") her flow, intonation and lyrics are as great as anyone.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

That's like saying the Dave Clark Five were the best band of the 60s because "Glad All Over" rocked.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

I have a hard time being objective when it comes to KRS-One because I think he's a complete and utter moron.

― Dan (MDK) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

She has other moments, that's just the one that came to mind. She also has my favorite one-liner "after all my logic and my theory, I add a motherfucker so you ignorant niggas here me."

Whereas 2Pac gets topped by Dr. Dre on his greatest song.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

That's a bad argument when in all likelihood Pac wrote that verse.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Calling "California Love" Pac's greatest song is a pretty bad argument in and of itself.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

HOW THE FUCK IS BLACK THOUGHT A GOOD RAPPER?!?!?!!!!

P.S. I just realized I've never heard any Big Daddy Kane! Aside from his cameo on that Prince Paul rap musical thing.

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

You know you're a shitty rapper when everybody would rather talk about and listen to your drummer.

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

HOW THE FUCK IS BLACK THOUGHT A GOOD RAPPER?!?!?!!!!

How is he not?

― Dan (Waiting) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Because I remember the frikkin' keyb ostinatos more than anything "the Dalai Lama of the microphone" has said, aside from the occasional song about cheating"?

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

ok and I remembered "the Dalai Lama of the microphone."

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

I think Pac's underrated as a rapper, and he deserves or be in the top 10, though not number 2. It's actually a fine list, though as someone said it should be in a different order. And personally I'd replace Eminem and KRS with Big Pun and GZA. Otherwise I'm kinda surprised how appropriate the list is - it was only a few years ago when I watched an MTV show called Top 100 Music Videos of All Time, and the number one video was "Backstreet's Back"!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Ludacris has more of a right to be on that top 20 than at least a quarter of the artists.

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

"Fat," "dead" and "bohemian hat" seem to be helpful to getting on the list.

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

black thought is alright but not close to top 20.

ludacris should prolly be at least an honorable mention by now....TI maybe even by now.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

shit speaking of luda- what about REDMAN???

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

also dudes that worked really well together like Run-DMC and EPMD get kinda screwed on these deals (prolly why no one from wu-tang finishes either)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

But most of the Wu guys work well on their own. Run-DMC & EPMD not so much.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

yeah but name an eminem record that can fuck with strictly business.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

well everyone on their list came out in the 80s or 90s but they did a seperate article of possible future top 10 MCs and included Luda, T.I., etc:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1529079/20060419/ludacris.jhtml?headlines=true

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

big daddy kane is great, and i could imagine you enjoying his shit, anthony.

― deeej, Friday, 21 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Not just trying to be annoying, but a question: Would anyone here actually put 2pac in their top 20? if so, how come?

― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Special Ed deserves at least an honorable mention.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

How can Big L not be on there? His flow is so natural, distinctive and effortless (not to mention the quotability of the lyrics) that it just leaves everyone else in the dust. Among the rest, only Slick Rick and Eminem come close to sounding as if they belong at the mic (Snoop too I guess, but he lags seriously on content).

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

And, Goddammit, where is Ghostface?

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

big daddy kane is great, and i could imagine you enjoying his shit, anthony.

oh, I have no doubt. Gonna dl some stuff this weekend.

― ant@work.com, Friday, 21 April 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

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buy me against the world on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000005Z0K/sr=8-1/qid=1145721612/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1474383-6863123?%5Fencoding=UTF8

― -+-++-+, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Am I a geek for having Michael Franti in my personal top ten?

hahaahah

Top 10 MCs of All Time

1 Michael Franti
2 Mike Ladd
3 M Doughty
4 MC 900 Foot Jesus
5 Shaun Ryder
6 G Love
7 Micheal Ivey (Basehead)
8 Rob B. (Stereo MCs)
9 Zack De La Rocha
10 Rudeboy (Urban Dance Squad)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

mike ladd & zach de la rocha are both decent

― -++-+++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

i like rage okay. i still have a mike ladd record but i remember hating it. maybe i haven't heard "the right stuff" by him....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

welcome to the afterfuture & infesticons are both good but yeah hes on some real real real abstract shit & i bet if i hadnt been convinced at age 16 he was gonna expand raps boundries or whatever i wouldnt be feelin it now

― -+-++-+, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

the one i have had sorta spoken word type flows, i really hate anything that reminds me of poetry slams. (tho i haven't listened to in forever, maybe it's amazing now)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

anyway lists suck - i already hate at least a third of my top 10 albums in the platonic rap thread

― -+-+-++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

It's funny how people think there is some sort of objective Top Ten waiting to be settled on.

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 22 April 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

jesus christ me against the world

― Compte J de Beaumain (Dr J Bowman), Sunday, 23 April 2006 10:07 (twenty years ago)

yea i saw the list i dont really think that jay z should be on the top because i think other rappers are just better lyricst but their is too many rappers that could said to be the best its really just peoples opinion i like everyone on that list but doesnt feel enough to me To me personally their is no best rapper at all because no rapper is best at everything every rapper has their strong point every rapper has their weak point its just basically peoples opinion but to me it really dont matter their will always be good rappers time to time but i dont think their will be a best

― Xzavier Lindsey, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Yo I Like Jay But He Shouldn't Be On Top. I Don't Think He Is All The Great. NaS, Rakim, Biggie, And 2Pac Are Better Lyrically Than Him. And After That Track "Swagger Jacker" That Cam'Ron Dropped I Don't Really Know About Jay-z. But I Believe Pac And Biggie Should Be On Top. Not Because We Show Sympathy For Their Deaths But Because They Were The Best To Come. And Rakim Should Be Up There Wit Them.

― Jose Valdez, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Ladies and gents, the law of conservation of capitals.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

every rapper has their strong point
http://www.7l-esoteric.com/photo/002.jpg

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

L - R. ETHAN P, NATE P, DUBPLATE STYLE

― city of gyros (chaki), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)

SORRY WE CANT ALL LOOK LIKE DAVE NAVARROS CHUNKY COUSIN

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nndb.com/people/349/000094067/lucky-luciano-1-sized.jpg http://yerf.com/uploads/tempalbe/nate_rec.gif http://centerstage.net/stumped/photos/bobbalaban2.jpg

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:19 (twenty years ago)

(L - R)

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

L - R. ETHAN P, NATE P, DUBPLATE STYLE
-- city of gyros (chaki.tim...), May 1st, 2006 9:52 PM

dude, you're way off, the guy in the middle is the only one WITHOUT chin fuzz facial hair, no way it could be Patrin

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:24 (twenty years ago)

the guy in the middle has a long fuzzy tail tho

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm suprised at all the shoulder-shrugging about Jay-Z. I mean #1 is always arguable, but he's definitely great. If you only hear his big singles you're really missing out. I can understand the "leaves me cold" comment - he's definitely icy at times, though he shows a bit of a warmer side in "Blueprint (Momma Loves Me)" (ignore the maudlin title, it's a great track).

Some of his best lines can whiz by you if you're not paying attention, so I only hope the people who claim not to "get it" have given things a good listen. He also has an amazingly varied flow -- sometimes he rhymes like he doesn't even care where the beat is, but he always knows where it is and can hit it harder than anyone when he wants the effect ("It's Hot(Some Like it Hot)," or "Jigga What, Jigga Who").

Reasonable Doubt is definitely the one to check out, but lots of great stuff on The Blueprint, and really on all the albums I've checked out (haven't really given The Dynasty, Blueprint 2, or Best of Both Worlds much of a spin). The Black Album strikes me as more of a production album than a rap album, so I wouldn't judge by that, even though it has some great songs.

I don't even know what to quote -- there are already at least a couple Jay-Z quote threads. I think this is a pretty sick diss verse:

I don't care if you Mobb Deep, I hold triggers to crews
You little FUCK, I've got money stacks bigger than you
When I was pushin weight, back in eighty-eight
you was a ballerina I got your pictures I seen ya
Then you dropped "Shook Ones," switch your demeanor
Well - we don't believe you, you need more people
Roc-A-Fella, students of the game, we passed the classes
Nobody could read you dudes like we do
Don't let 'em gas you like Jigga is ass and won't clap you
Trust me on this one - I'll detach you
Mind from spirit, body from soul
They'll have to hold a mass, put your body in a hole
No, you're not on my level get your brakes tweaked
I sold what ya whole album sold in my first week
You guys don't want it with Hov'
Ask Nas, he don't want it with Hov', nooooo!

A personal favorite from U Don't Know:

I'm from the streets where the
hood could swallow a man, bullets'll follow a man
There's so much coke that you could run the slalom
And cops comb the shit top to bottom
They say that we are prone to violence, but it's home sweet home
Where personalities crash and chrome meets chrome
The coke prices up and down like it's Wall Street homes
But this is worse than the Dow Jones your brains are now blown
all over that brown Brougham, one slip you are now gone
Welcome to hell where you are welcome to sell
But when them shells come you better return 'em
All scars we earn 'em, all cars we learn 'em like the back of our hand
We watch for cops hoppin out the back of van
Wear a G on my chest, I don't need that for damn
This ain't a sewn outfit homes, homes is about it
Was clappin them flamers before I became famous
For playin me y'all shall forever remain nameless

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:36 (twenty years ago)

Damn though, Biggie destroys him on Brooklyn's Finest.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:39 (twenty years ago)

lol @ dude tryna put ilm & rock critics up on 'takeover' - clueless herbs' most quoted rap since baby got back????

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, but if you don't get it, I doubt you've heard it.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

lemonade, a popular drink, you say?

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Is this guy a music writer?

I'm with ya - been trying to understand the appeal of jay-z for years . i mean - Timbaland said he was the most talented artist he's ever worked with ??????

I'd have to put Roots Manuva in that list

and if
Snoop had of straight after Doggy Style he'd be a shoe-in

-- grapple (bondistor...), April 22nd, 2006.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

lol at music board posters trying to avoid seeming like "clueless herbs" by distancing themselves from genius mc.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Jay-Z: Objectively Best Rapper EVAH?
This Is A Jay-Z Thread....
top 100: jay-z moments
Armond White:"Can Jay-Z and Diddy save hip hop?"
Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?
Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.
Jay-Z/Nas and other hip-hop throwdowns? Pt. 3: Still Going . . .
Jay-Z on Hot 97
What is the single Jay-Z album I need?
Jay-Z on Kanye's "Diamonds" remix
T.I. feat. Jay-Z, "Break Em Out" (produced by swizz beatz)
What's Jay-Z's hook gon be?
Jay-Z: POO
Jay-Z across the waves
Drop it like its hot remix w/ jay-z
R. Kelly, Jay-Z - "The Best of Both Worlds: Unfinished Business"
TS: Dizzee Rascal Vs. Jay-Z!
Jay-Z & Beyonce versus Nas & Kelis
JAY-Z - BLACK ALBUM LEAKED!
jay-z pre-reasonable doubt
Top 100 Jay-Z tracks
Jay-Z and Prince Charles
So Jay-Z loves Heineken
Jay-Z vs. R Kelly at Madison Square Garden
Taking Sides: Nas vs. Jay-z
TS: La Monte Young vs Jay-Z vs Metallica
When is Jay-Z going to get shot?
Where the Jay-Z acapella album got us:
Jay-Z: Do Canadians say "Jay-Zee" or "Jay-Zed?"
Do you think Beyonce Knowles is ever saddened by Jay-Z's lyrics?
If the Grey Album were Outkast instead of Jay-Z, what would the classic record be and who'd remix?
Taking Sides: Jay-Z/Nas vs Madonna/Janet
Jay-Z Pulls Out Of Reading/Leeds. Replaced By THE DARKNESS.
Has Jay-Z taken Henny Youngman's throne?
Jay-Z '45' where did this come from?
Jay-Z - As One
BEYONCE KNOWLES AND JAY-Z
Jay-Z sampled a Baligh Hamdi song
memphis bleek ft. lil cease, geda k, jay-z
jay-z and nas album sales
Jay-Z on Bob Costas?
Jay-Z: Classic Or Dud?
TS: Jay-Z "Girls, Girls, Girls" Vs. Ghostface Killah "Child's Play" Vs. MF Doom "My Favourite Ladies"
New Jay-Z song on Hot97?
(sort of) meta: Jay-z/Nas throwdown thread question
how is jay-z's verse on beware of the boys "anti-war"
I saw Jay-Z on the Street yesterday
Jay-z: Classic or dud?
jay-z the blueprint
jay-z performs with phish in brooklyn
BUY JAY-Z'S SHIT
Jay-Z interview on "60 Minutes"
Jay-Z - Some People Hate
battle of the ill lyrics, Jay-z or Nas
Lady Sovereign visits Jay-Z

and my favorite

theres this jay-z song with indie music in the backround does anyone know it??

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Yeah man, I've heard Jay-Z is famous. I've even read some of those threads. Just a couple people said "I don't get it" and the post was directed at them. Nice job though, you're really jockeying hard here.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:56 (twenty years ago)

'let me put you up on some obscure verses from that album 'the blueprint' - you mustnt tell a soul, for these are dangerous secrets!'

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

shit man my pfork review was probly what opened your eyes to shit like 'genius mc' anyway

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

Funny you should mention Genius.

One thing about Jay is that his drug dealing and gangster stories never really hold my attention like those of GZA or Ghost or Scarface or blablabla. Not that I doubt his 'realness', but he doesn't have the ear/eye for detail, character and pacing that a defines a great storyteller MC. He's really interesting musically, but not dramatically.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

shit man my pfork review was probly what opened your eyes to shit like 'genius mc' anyway

Oh, too rich.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah that was pretty low

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost I actually like Jay's storytelling -- at least I like the way he just built up and built up this super-hustler persona and stuck to it. I think the details in "Blueprint (Momma Loves Me)" are great though.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

but otherwise you dont really have an excuse for your smug informing-other-white-ppl-about-jigga stance in 2006

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

shit man my pfork review was probly what opened your eyes to shit like 'genius mc' anyway

Oh, too rich.

-- Abbadavid Berman (Hurtingchie...), May 1st, 2006.

yeah that was pretty low

-- -+-+-+++- (-...), May 1st, 2006.

And also self-indicting

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)

ill gladly incriminate myself for a good dis

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)

Jay-Z: "I showed you your first Tec"

Nas: "Whatever jigga, you learned about hip-hop from my Pitchfork article"

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cityofsylvania.com/Crier/crier2.JPG
HEAR YE HEAR YE! I DECLARE JAY A RAPPER FIT FOR ENJOYMENT BY ALL!

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, but if you don't get it, I doubt you've heard it.

-- Abbadavid Berman (Hurtingchie...)

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

dude if you can't see the humor in you overselling Jay in a thread that didn't too much to challenge a list's assertion that he's the greatest MC of all time, on a forum where dude has been overdiscussed the death, then just shut the fuck up.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

okIadmititwasalittleridiculous (walks away quickly)

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Even though The Mighty Mos has only 3 albums out, he needs to be on that list. Since when has a rapper been intelligent enough to rap about lack of clean water in third world countries?

And if I hear one more person diss on KRS, I'm gonna get out lyrics from every single rapper. I think more rappers should spend more time using harmony and writing lyrics than counting their money from the phat beats their producers made.

― Jordan Erwin, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

ethan, thanks for that 2pac pox. you did him much better justice than MTV ever did.

― ant@work.com, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

oh and I'm miccio on work dl, if that's not clear or something.

― ant@work.com, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Even though The Mighty Mos has only 3 albums out, he needs to be on that list. Since when has a rapper been intelligent enough to rap about lack of clean water in third world countries?
And if I hear one more person diss on KRS, I'm gonna get out lyrics from every single rapper. I think more rappers should spend more time using harmony and writing lyrics than counting their money from the phat beats their producers made.

Hee hee hee...

Welcome to ILM!

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

Eh, my complaint is probably an old man one, but (like always) MTV seems like they only started building a canon about 10 years after they should have, but they're sticking to it now.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:15 (twenty years ago)

that's a valid complaint, but I don't think it's just MTV, for a lot of younger hip hop heads the canon only goes back about as far as Illmatic.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Mine starts at "All About the Benjamins" actually.

― mike (Commercialism in force!) h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:31 (twenty years ago)

I totally agree that Mos Def needs to be on that list, and i'd like to add that he should never ever be allowed to ever act in any films ever again.

Signed: the people.

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

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