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This is the thread where you ask moderators to delete or modify posts or threads elsewhere on ILX, or you alert us to stuff happening elsewhere on ILX that you think we shouldn't know about.

A quick reminder - the idea is that as few posts as possible get moderated or deleted. If you've posted something and you now regret it or are embarrassed by it and it's about yourself we probably won't delete it, for instance. If you've revealed a real name other info about somebody else then we probably will. ILX assumes people are intelligent and responsible and able to think before they post.

If you don't want to alert the moderators publically then email one of us - though this option might take longer.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigh I had such found memories of This is the thread where you SHOUT FOR THE MODERATOR!
(Sorry Im on a cross referencing binge @ work and its carrying over)

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is the print tiny? Is this happening to anyone else or is my head expanding?

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

everybody keep a safe distance from nick's head

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you on a PC? Try control and mousewheel

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooo my text has gone smaller too... I thoght it was just my pc going bonkers.

― celeste (Celeste), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The ctrl/mousewheel works at changing font size, but it jumps from being smaller than normal to larger than normal, with no normal in between, so it doesn't seem like something on my end.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

this happened last time i tried to enter a table into a post:

table gap madness on http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=3303923

any hints on how to harness the spacing would be appreciated. and thank you in advance for ~~housekeeping~~ maintaining the aesthetic brilliance that we've come to expect from ILX.

― gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i <3 ILX mods!!

: )

^_^

O_o

(",)

― gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, thou roxxeth thee html.

*bows down before*

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it's probably better how it is

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i just viewed the code Am, haha.

― gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

We seemed to have gained two new boards that I'm sure we don't need

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 February 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you on a PC? Try control and mousewheel

SWEET JESUS! what a fantastic function.
sorry, but it had to be said. that's just fabby.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 13 February 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

You might want to look at the new boards:

"I hate people who create boards just to say if the (new answers) "

???

― logged_out, Thursday, 13 February 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I note that someone (no names etc.) has buggered the 'last word' thread with an iframe tag. Possibly deliberate, arguably for the best...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe you should wipe the whole of that thread about sean m. hall, it seems to've just caused pointless upset

― d, Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh! Simultaneous post! thats exactly what I was going to say. It's just feeding the troll.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

done

― moderator s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

fank ooo

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Had a look at that html thread and viewed the source out of curiosity. Some of the code seems to include my login name and email address. I can't make head nor tail of why its in there or what its doing but I don't like it. I did not post to that thread. Can you remove it please? Also I'd like to know who's doing it. I'm not going to point fingers but can someone tell me who it is?

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Excuse my paranoia.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Opening this thread : My complaint about ILE takes you to B4ngbus. I know no one has complained about it before but if you were at work it might be a a bad thing to happen.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Opening this thread : My complaint about ILE doesn't take me to B4ngbus. I know no one has complained about it before but I'm perturbed.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha. There is a javascript link at the bottom. Maybe you have turned javascript off

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(or a moderator deleted the post)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone please delete my posts to the "Introduce Yourself" thread? I was not feeling well at all last night and wrote some extremely self-pitying and self-serving garbage which begs deletion.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

If I offered money would it help?

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you posted my present yet?

― Graham (graham), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Are the deleted messages kept anywhere? Sean M Hall's just posted on AAD that he's going to try and "ruin" the board again. I deleted it on sight in a pissed fit.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 15 February 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone delete Naspitsuh and Sterling?

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 February 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Not stored anywhere currently. This may change.

― Graham (graham), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, you should probably lock the "Does rap count as REAL music?" thread. I didn't realize it was Se*n H*ll and I answered it (albeit facetiously).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 February 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Much obliged if a moderator could delete these two posts. I don't mind the ILX faithful having my phone numbers, but random Googlers are another matter.

Defiant Drinking or new DC FAP thread
Defiant Drinking or new DC FAP thread

― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

delete RSPMJLGH please

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 16 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

seconded

― fearofspam, Sunday, 16 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Keep "I hate Ask A Drunk". It's ace.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 17 February 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Seconded.

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 17 February 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

thirded

― duane, Monday, 17 February 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Pls. delete my mis-posted H x W Clint Conley on BurmakKitty's "How far would you take your children..." thread on ILM

Danke.

― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

That cheeky demon Sean M Hall is redirecting threads on AAD to his website. They're a buggery arse to get rid of cos the page flips to his before you can click on the admin link. I don't want him banned (yet) but can everyone, i dunno, mess with him a bit?

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you tried turning off javascript? If its just javascript that should solve it.

If its refresh tags I didn't think they were supposed to work in the middle of pages, but don't trust browsers to conform to spec.

In either case, graham probably could cook up some code to prevent such malicious tags from being posted (i.e. there should never be a reason to post either javascript or refresh tags to any board on ilxor).

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you moderators!

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

in the FAP Dublin thread, could my post where I said "YOU ARE A COCKWAD" to Andrew be changed to "FUK C YOPU CNUTY"?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the former should stay.

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh. Will you please delete the post in the Nerds thread where I posted a link instead of the picture? THANKS!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you delete my post off the 'when loves dies'. Flicking through applications and pressing return sometimes causes partial posts to be added to the detabase. Arse.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 21 February 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we have any idea who is responsible for the cross-postings from a prostitution forum? And can we eat them?

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

If Sean M Hall is cockfarming on a regular basis then we should consider putting him in the 'sin bin' for a bit if we can.

HELP OUT THE MODERATORS DEPT: can you link to the thread you want altered cos it saves us a lot of time?

Colin where are these postings?

DV: no.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

In a couple of places -- there's one on the curried goat thread at the moment.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

No need to delete that post now. I have just apologised profusely for it. Thanks!

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Oooh - it's gone now. Tee hee, now I sound like a loon for apologising for a non-existant post. Not to worry. Thanks again, Tom.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha I have edited your other post to spare further "where is Lara's post????" faff.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, I respect you as a moderator and as a man.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

If Sean M Hall is cockfarming on a regular basis then we should consider putting him in the 'sin bin' for a bit if we can.

He's expressed his intention to try and hack my admin account for Ask A Drunk. At last I am asking for a ban or whatever it is you can do.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 22 February 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

lynskey he won't be able to do that, he's full of shit!

― duane, Sunday, 23 February 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Admin passwords are pretty secure unless he has access to your computer.

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 23 February 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Fair enough. I still don't like him expressing the intention, but fair enough. He ain't killed no-one yet so let him be I suppose.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 23 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there - or cld there be - a button you cld press which would destroy forever every post you've ever made? I wld buy one.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 23 February 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Or just one that destroys every post Andrew has made, perhaps?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 23 February 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

No way Andrew. You have to ask individually for each one.

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 23 February 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to delete all of the stupid trolling and people talking to themselves and other crap. Does anyone mind?

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

please do.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You're going to delete the people?!

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Elimate them...with extreme prejuidice.

― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Arnold Schwarzenegger is Graham in DELETER.

"You haff been deleted."

sweet.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Aww, I wish you'd unlock the reporters in locker rooms thread.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're going that far then delete Sean M Hall's navel-gazing boards and get rid of him. I'm still getting rid of about five messages a day of his, some with redirecting html van sant wierdness, some not. Yes, its not a crime but i'd rather not be spending half an hour of every day mopping up his bumspray.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 24 February 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well link to some posts and give me IP addresses and such.

― Graham (graham), Monday, 24 February 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to delete all of the stupid trolling and people talking to themselves and other crap. Does anyone mind?

what do you mean about deleting "people talking to themselves and other crap"? that sounds like you are applying aethetic criteria to your deletion decisions, something I am not happy with.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

er, I mean aesthetic, obviously. let's hope post with typos don't start getting deleted.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

What you don't realise DV is that your posts are only visible to you (and me) and that they have been deleted from the public forum. There's a secret message and everything.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

new answers page:
(39 new answers, 38 total, last on 24 Feb)!

um, did that just change back before i got a chance to post this or did i imagine it?

andy

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Cross-posting shenanigans on the "I've never been abroad" thread.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the deal with cycling IP's?

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm?

And: You probably clicked the "Show By Most Popular" link.

― Graham (graham), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

His IP jumps around like a House of Pain record. Ah fuck it if its this much trouble, I don't want to seem like a whining bastard.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Has he posted recently? I made a vague attempt to block him a couple of days ago.

― Graham (graham), Monday, 24 February 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably, I just get rid of his posts as soon as I see them, usually when I've come in from the pub or just woken up, so I'm a bit vague on when the last one was.

What a scam

is a thread he started a while ago if that helps

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, I accidently posted to this thread:

Beautiful?

can you do something about it please?

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(thanks kindly moderator!)

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

(thanks kindly moderator redux!)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Thought I might just mention that I conducted Amateurist's request. I hope that's alright with Tom, et al. I gave myself moderator access a while back to let me edit my own posts upon grave html error... if anyone finds this unsatisfactory I will withdraw this ability.)

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(No problem Andrew, Thanks. Though Mark concluded a while ago the National Front had infiltrated our server)

― Graham (graham), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

haha yes i wz a bit nervous that day

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Somebody check on who the 'Lust in August' person on the "I have a romantic dilemma' thread is NOW, please.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a shifting IP address which is used by a number of regulars, so it could be one of them or it could be someone entirely new - I will email w/details Ned and Ally

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I already have a fairly good idea who it is. Can you please just delete the thread? It was a mistake bourne out of a false sense of security.

I do like the fact that Lust In August did throw in the "Fred" thing as a distraction but it just kind of revealed who it actually was. Whatever.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

(note to anyone interested: person isn't actually an ex of mine)

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Friends need protecting from MB* Googlers on relevant thread. Fix please? Request will make sense when you see thread

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, please fix that ASAP (will keep bumping until it is done...)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

This might just be me, but every punk-related thread on ILM during the past couple days seems to have been injected with some sort of file, script, or applet that makes my home computer, my work computer, and my friend S's computer crash. (Examples here and here, I think.) Browser-specific? Something people should probably not be throwing up on threads? I know I'm not missing anything on those threads, but it seems like a bad precedent to look around ILM thinking any given thread could cause a system lock-up when I try to read it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, nabisco, Jonathan Williams is posting sound clips within those threads. I had been meaning to ask a mod about that. Very shitty.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Makes this even funnier.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

(It's safe to click.)

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

He did this on the mobile phone thread on ILE as well, and while it doesnt lock up my PC, it is FUCKING ANNOYING and does sort of freeze the screen if I try pressing stop. Can it be hosed?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Those are Embed tags, which I've just banned, and I'll remove the messages that have them.

(I've also banned script tags. I hope no one minds)

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks. Strangely, the only person I trust to run scripts on ILX is Kodanshi.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

can my posts from the coworker sex thread be deleted? a bad idea. thx

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 27 February 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

moderators could you plz delete this here thread hey, we suck!! posted in a weak moment of pique?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 February 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Another thread bites the dust.

I had been avoiding the co-worker sex thread, too, grumble grumble - will go look Yancey.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 February 2003 08:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Please delete this thread, the subject been done to death and I really regret posting it in a moment of self pity and it could turn ugly in about 3 posts flat and I really can't take that kind of headache and abuse today, thanks:

Ending it and meaning it.

― kate, Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

aw, no script tags. no more playing with CSS. no more "All Style, No Substance"

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 27 February 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Please delete this thread on ILM, which should have been on ILE.

Sorry

― oops (Oops), Friday, 28 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess this is really a message for Graham, but: things are going crazy on ILM. If you click on a thread with a certain subject line, the thread you end up seeing corresponds to a different subject line. I suppose everyone awake has noticed this by now.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 March 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Now it's okay.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 March 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

either i have lost it completely, or the thing rockist scientist is talking about above was happening to ile (all the subject lines where about dawson's creek!) but it went away when i reloaded.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

search and destroy us!: The Thomson Twins

A fair while back, I niavely posted with my work's email address on a few ilx threads. Much to my relief, mark s recently changed some of these to normie@normiezone.com, so I could avoid the embarrassment of being googled by work colleagues. However, I just stumbled on a zapmeta hit for my work addy, linking to a particularly asinine series of postings from me; and so I would really appreciate it if a moderator could once more doctor the address. Sorry about this.

― normie, Saturday, 1 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just changed all instances (31) of that address to the normiezone one. Bare in mind that nowadays the last letter before the @ symbol is cut off, so someone wouldn't be able to find you by searching your name.

― Graham (graham), Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

31!? Well, that's very gracious of you, Graham. Thanks, and thanks for the clarification.

― normie, Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Please delete my 2nd post (9th post in thread) on "if i only see one movie in the next 2 weeks, what should it be - Jackass or Adaptation?" on ILM. I may have given a spoiler for Adaptation.

― Aaron A., Sunday, 2 March 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone please get rid of Geir Height-Ashbury or whatever his name is. The joke was moderately amusing the first few times but it's now pissing me off, and I suspect quite a few others besides.

In the meantime I would suggest that no one respond to his threads; that way he might get the message and go somewhere else.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not a joke (not in the trolling sense), but I entirely second the don't argue with him advice. He can keep going forever, unflappably polite and making not a lick of sense, and every single argument against him has been tried. I doubt he'll go somewhere else either, he'll just keep popping up on threads and being wrong, but if he spams ILM again a temporary stretch in the sin bin is definitely on.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Err... not urgent but I just did a zapmeta search and realized that I posted my email address in ...erm... the last SHOUT FOR THE MODERATOR thread in my complaining about Conor.

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=3274418

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: I entirely second the don't argue with him advice. [Yes, definately - Geir has a very set mind re expectations for music]

Re: He can keep going forever, unflappably polite and making not a lick of sense, and every single argument against him has been tried.
[Marcello, you would understand if you were A.M.A veteran of 87/88/89]

Re: I doubt he'll go somewhere else either, he'll just keep popping up on threads and being wrong
[Geir is like a dalek with limited speech - not melodic enough, too rhythmic, melodies are everything, great songs etc .]

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That might well be but he's going to drive everyone else away from the board if things go on as they are. I think this is as concrete an argument as you could find for introducing "killfiles," just so that we don't have to be exposed to his garbage.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

oh the irony;)

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth, either contribute something useful to this argument or shut the fuck up.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

something useful like a shovel, or a hat for keeping you warm in winter

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

As usual I'm in favour of wait-and-see: he won't go away for good but I'd be surprised if his posting rate didn't quickly drop to an ignorable level. I am a bit concerned, because his particularly tenacious method is much easier to ignore on threaded boards, but we'll see what happens.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ronan that was killer funny

― duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread also wants your old canned food and childrens toys

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey there, might eb time to update the FAQ in regards to the removal of the boards under

What has happened to the old boards?

Just a thought, a very quiet shout if you will.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

META: Separate Lives...

Unfortunately, Graham, there is still one hit which links back to my work email address. In this instance, it appears a record of my whole address (along with others) has been copied into the thread itelf, and the last letter of my second name, the symbol before the @, is not hidden. Would you mind impairing the influence of this final piece of evidence?!

With reference:

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31!? Well, that's very gracious of you, Graham. Thanks, and thanks for the clarification.
-- normie (normi...), March 1st, 2003.

― normie, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks.

― normie, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Some eedjit on the Revenge thread posted some porn, so there should be some warning or something added so that people don't end up opening it at work and getting busted.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Nacho Cheese! (links not work-safe)

Could a mod go through and G**gle-pr**f the names in this thread? I was too busy hooting with deranged laughter to consider the consequences of my actions.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i love the way its always N**s** who ends up with his name right there on the threads where youd want it the least

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

When I open Genral Poetry Thread I get asked for a network password to some other site. Haven't bothered searching the source for what's up.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

If I open one more thread with Jon Williams crapola which fuxor's up my computer I'm gonna... well I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I'm not usually a violent person.

Most recently this:

Japanese language fonts - how can I download them ?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

jon's a fucking dolt who's been asked like a hundred times to stop pulling that shit

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

thanx for banning me from the 'yelling at people' thread Graham! Sayanora ILx!

― the late, great James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

in the new answers it says there is a new post at 11.45 or something, but the last post is 9.02. odd!

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i see, it is because graham has banned james blount from posting on the thread?

so, i wonder who will be next?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

who do you shout for when the moderator acts like a spoilt brat?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

why does it feel like everything has changed all of a sudden?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

don't say sayonara
i wanna see you tomorrow
i wanna see you tonight...

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, was James really banned? Somebody wanna explain that?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

: ((((

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he meant to get Gier Homegro.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 6 March 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we need to have a moderator who is moderate and doesn't go banning posters for no good reason other than being over-sensitive. Blount certainly isn't my favourite poster, but I can't see anything on the thread in question which is particularly contentious. I've had worse.

I also don't like the comments above regarding "delete stupid trolling and people talking to themselves and other crap," which if taken literally would get rid of most ILE posts. This board is not designed or intended to be The Graham Show.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Well you fucking do it Marcello. Email me and you can have the admin password.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

on the japanese thread all jon williams did was write some random japanese characters, it worked fine after a little spin of the multicoloured ball. what else has he done?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

And that earlier post was referring to a specific phenomenon/person that seems to have stopped know, not as a general policy.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

First of all, Graham, speak to other people as you would like to be spoken to, otherwise you will get nowhere in life. And don't use the "bored lonely teenager" get-out clause which you tried on the "did graham ban blount" thread either; it doesn't work. There's only so much slack that can be cut.

Secondly, I would be a terrible moderator precisely because I get similarly over-sensitive about things far too often, and would probably end up banning everyone. The task requires someone with a far thicker skin who isn't going to throw a hissy fit every time someone disagrees with them. I do not exclude myself from this category.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Well sack me.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

If you carry on as you are now, Graham, someday someone is going to sack you - in real life.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

wtf? since when have i had to find a mirror to read ile?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

For fuck's sake, Graham, grow up.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey G are you ok? Email if you want

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello, when I asked for the people talking to themselves to be cut out there was a rash of one person posting contradictory statements under several different names which just got rather tedious after the eighth thread or so. Nothing more sinister than that.

and yes, what's with the backwards shizzit?

― chris (chris), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

PLEASE if anyone is thinking of banning someone - particularly G who actually has the power to do it - talk about it with another moderator first; it REALLY needs to be a group decision. When ILM started I deleted some posts cos a guy was annoying me and I regret doing it - 80% of the time deleting posts without a request leads to a load of shit and increased fractiousness and a weakening of the community atmosphere etc etc. I am totally aware the temptation is always there but mostly the point of moderating is to not do stuff.

(Caveat: I've not seen any of the threads concerned.)

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Like I said on the other thread, nothing was deleted or even blocked, just hidden, for about half an hour. Sorry, I got bored and upset and wanted to make a point of what it feels like to be powerless (re: Getting shouted at out of cars). Maybe it was wrong, but for god sake, I'm only human. People on that other thread are treating it like I deleted the whole damn thing. I have had so much other motivation in the past to delete people or block people or edit people's posts, and I haven't. So please, no damage was done, nothing was lost. Get over it.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham, it was stupid and childish. Admit that, apologize for your mistake, and folks will get over it and move on. Act like you were justified and that everyone else is overreacting, and you contribute to the deterioration of a Once Good Thing, i.e. ILE.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

.dias niloC tahW

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Or ,to put it another way ,what Cilon said.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Note my caveat - which was why I made a general point not a specific one.

This is why we need a public log of moderator actions, too, BTW.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Has Marcello ever apologised for the crap he's done?

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Apologies all, my moderator counter-presence last night was somewhat stymied by being v.tired and a bit drunk: i could possibly have smoothed things over quicker ON the boards if i'd had my actual real head on.

We do need more moderators though, since traffic increased so much — I barely get to see a third of the threads, less if I'm busy — and they need to be in good communication w. one another (email/AIM etc).

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i.e. a [realactual12footlizards] group :)

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoops crossposting.

That's not the present issue. Besides, he doesn't currently have the capability to radically screw up a forum which is quite important for many different reasons to many different people. You have to take responsibility for your actions, as even if they have no permanent concrete effects they still make people regard the boards and you differently.

p.s. It's a bit like life, don't you think?

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

uneasy sleeps the head that wears a crown

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

note crown:

http://www.stevienixed.com/mark.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello, fuck off you hoity toity fuck.

Graham, don't ever do anything like that again.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 6 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I'm happy to be a moderator if needed/useful- I'm in NZ so in a timezone that might be useful, check my email/AIM a lot, and have at least a couple of hours (usually) spareish on the internet a day. Also there've been a couple of things I've noticed that maybe needed MODERATING (ask Mark S, no point making tham more noticeable now). Anyway, if it'd be helpful, I'm available.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 6 March 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham I apologize for the thread.

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the public log is a real necessity, if more stuff is going to be deleted, even in efforts to clean up etc then a log is still necessary, otherwise who on earth knows what's going on, what threads/posts were started/deleted etc etc etc.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

What kicked off all this shit - can someone summarise? I can't keep up. Sorry.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Summary -

1. Donut Bitch starts thread on how rub ILM is currently.
2. Neudonym starts thread on how ILM newbies aren't accepted by cool kid regulars. (both these threads kind of tongue-in-cheek)
3. Lynskey posts rant to Neudonym's thread saying how the regulars are all fuckers, also "Fucking Old"
4. Lynskey says "fucking old" insult comes from something his mate yelled out of a car window.
5. Hstencil starts ILE thread about whether yelling out of car windows is c or d.
6. Lots of people say it is D, quite forcefully. J Blount says they are fun-hating pussies or at least oversensitive (I paraphrase).
7. Graham, who thinks it is D, and JB, who thinks it is C, have huge argument.
8. Graham blocks people from seeing JB's postings for about half an hour, he says to prove point about powerlessness.
9. JB quits board.
10. See assorted admin threads.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I am a little too close to the shouting things out windows thread to step back and ask if anything was so out of line that someone deserved to be banned, but as offensive as I found much of what James Blount was saying, I don't think, in the context of how heated things were, that he ought to have been banned (though I didn't shed any tears over it).

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah well Rockist the point of that thread was to get people talkin', not to get them fighting. I feel so bad today about this (I had to leave work early and didn't check any boards/email until this morning).

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

He wasn't banned fro being out of line, it was to demonstrate a point, which is a different thing altogether.

Can I apoloise for Marcello for messing up unreversing his posts? They should all be fine now, except ones posted since then were also unreversed even though they never were? And that's why the serve kept going down today, it was busy flipping his messages back and forth.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

He wasn't banned fro being out of line, it was to demonstrate a point, which is a different thing altogether.

How is this true? You didn't do the same thing to other people who had the same POV, albeit expressed less forcefully.

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

''He wasn't banned fro being out of line, it was to demonstrate a point, which is a different thing altogether.''

couldn't you have made yr point in another manner?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus, Graham, it's clear that you're not about to apologize, but could you please stop crowing about it as if it were the cleverest thing ever? Using moderator privileges to "prove a point" is bullshit, and more folks than Blount will walk.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Like the Doc, I don't get it.

I have a feeling that whatever arguments are going on are unnecessary.

I fear somewhat that if people keep having a go at Graham, he will shut the whole thing down.

I think that people should probably cool it.

(Who is James Blount?)

― the pinefox, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

these threads are good because people show how they really are and then other people see and get more insight into someones behaviour. we all make our own minds up, and people will have decided much on how people have acted through this. so it can be pretty instructive and revealing your personality

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if I agree, gareth. I think it can lead to people making assumptions about others without having any idea what they're like, except what they've posted.

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

james blount is number 15 on the users list. he is what you might call *a regular poster* (he is not from Sinister, that might be why you havent noticed him yet).

and pinefox, are you suggesting people tiptoe around, not wanting to express disagreement for fear of the whole thing being deleted? surely that makes the whole thing not really worth it anymore?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

''I fear somewhat that if people keep having a go at Graham, he will shut the whole thing down.''

if the boards are to die this easily then maybe its for the best.

''so it can be pretty instructive and revealing your personality''

and what have we learned gareth? plz share your thoughts with us so that we can learn abt you as well.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

if that thread was the impetus for ILX shutting down and/or a bunch of people leaving, god I would feel even more horrible than I do now.

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

everything you do in life is seen by other people

and what have we learned gareth? plz share your thoughts with us so that we can learn abt you as well

haha, i am an enigma;)

you want to learn about me julio, theres a search facility at the bottom, search my posts. make up your mind from them

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

can we just forget this whole business? it's getting a bit tiresome.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that summary is not a very good way to get up to speed on it, as I'm sure Tom would accept. I don't mean I'm criticising it itself or the content, I mean it'd be better just to read the relevent threads. I think though, without attacking Graham, this day was always on the cards and that it's necessary to be ALOT more cautious about deleting things. I'm sure this is becoming evident enough anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Blimey! Thanks Tom for the summary. I've just looked at the thread - Jess/J. Darnielle OTM. I can't say that it's ever happened to me but it's pathetic, idiotic and threatening. Anyone who thinks it's cool -try it without the car armour and see what happens.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

don't worry stencil, nothing is going to happen. ILX is much stronger than this.

''you want to learn about me julio, theres a search facility at the bottom, search my posts. make up your mind from them''

my point is you can only learn certain things abt ppl from their posts in an internet board (shocking but true!) but nothing too 'deep'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

hah, dr c if you read my posts you'll see 2 incidents where they tried it with the car armour, and still came a cropper!

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not going to apologise to people who've shown no capacity for forgiveness. You all have dark hearts and I hope you burn.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't be arsed to go back to the wretched thread, Gareth.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're talking about me, well then I can assure you that I was asking a serious question upthread, and not trying to poke at you. I also apologized for starting the thread in the first place. Here's another non-pointed (at least in intention) question: what more can I do to stop this and make things better?

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh look, it happened and it's done with and yes I think Graham realises it was stupid but we've all had inflamed and angry impulses on the boards and plenty of us have acted on them. Can we stop beating him up over it?

That said it can't happen again. ILX works the way it does because of loose and 99% consensual moderation, and I think that the moderation HAS to be accountable. If people start abusing it they should give up moderator privileges. Now because Graham is responsible for the tech stuff here (and does an excellent job of it) he can't do that. So either he should promise not to do any moderating or we need to set up a generally accessible moderation log so people can see exactly what is being done all the time.

Yeah the summary was flippant, sorry Ronan.

Marvellous poster though he is, I take Colin's pronunciations of doom with a pinch of salt, btw - a few weeks ago he was the guy saying BAN BECKY LUC@S NOW OR ILX IS FINISHED HEED ME! We didn't and it wasn't.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil, this has nothing to do with you and there's no need to apologise. It was a good thread and you had no way of knowing what would happen.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no need, it's not as though it was possible to summarise perfectly.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Marvellous poster though he is, I take Colin's pronunciations of doom with a pinch of salt, btw - a few weeks ago he was the guy saying BAN BECKY LUC@S NOW OR ILX IS FINISHED HEED ME! We didn't and it wasn't."

ARE YOU SO SURE OF THAT??!!?? THIS IS HER DOING!!!! HEED ME AGAIN!!!! (My fanatical paranoia aside, I do think that bad vibes here have increased and prevailed since that business, but that's not really at issue here.)

Tom, you're mis-reading me on this point -- I'm not trying to play Cassandra nor KOLAN THE AVENGER and my sympathies are actually leaning toward Graham in this whole mess (despite his wishes for my damnation) -- I don't mean to say that Graham is an evil-doer who will ruin ILE (on the contrary), but I just don't like the "and I'd do it again, so watch it" vibe to some of what's been said. I don't like that threat hanging about.

I've done way stupider shit than this as a Interweb moderator before, so I apologize if I have come off as calling for Graham's head -- I just want to be sure that procedures are put into place that this doesn't become SOP around here, because it really would change the tone of the place in a negative way.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin I totally agree which is why my requests for the mod-log have got ever more urgent! (Except I'm not getting that vibe from Graham)

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

regarding moderation, could the moderators agree a set of moderation guidelines among themselves and then publish them so that we can all see them? what is bad, and leads to upset, is a real or imagined sense that moderation powers are being or could be used capriciously.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, also I think threats of deletion are a bit out of order, like I fail to see how someone can be ABOUT to post something which merits deletion, it's just not on.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

what is bad, and leads to upset, is a real or imagined sense that moderation powers are being or could be used capriciously.

Or that the word capricious could be used capriciously.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ach, yr all schmucks.

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

More radical (and possibly unworkable) idea - include a moderatable/unmoderatable switch on every post. No post can be altered by a moderator until it is switched to moderatable by a non-moderator (doesn't have to be the person who posted it).

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps a system of coloured marbles, like in the Chocolate War.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

ILXOR Homeland Security Code! We're at orange!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

oo, a robert cormier thread.

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

With all the witch-hunting going on, me being responsible for a lot of this bile and "hstencil you are NOT to blame (fwiw, neither is james blount)" I'm shouting directly for Gareth here. If you have a problem with me then could you spit it out and stop hiding and swiping.

I apologise for my "fuck you" post again, it was in no way serious and I . . thought . . . people . . would . . get . . . that.

I guess I underestimated both the tension around here and what people's reactions would be. I resume my petition for a sarcasm font to be included in every browser. I accept I was wrong for not pointing out I was being sarcastic on my initial post, but I thought it was worth it when a few lurkers came out and said "hang on, to be honest the in-crowd are intimidating and get on my nerves" as it gives the regulars a kick up the arse as far as being too cliquey goes.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I resume my petition for a sarcasm font to be included in every browser.

People make fun of me for them all the goddamn time, but lemme tell ya, ;-) can be your friend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

just add "I'M BEING SARCASTIC" on the end of your posts.

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

or < /sarcastic>

< /tryingtobehelpful>

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

No post can be altered by a moderator until it is switched to moderatable by a non-moderator (doesn't have to be the person who posted it).

Could you perhaps elaborate on that a little?

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The theory being that the empowered people wouldn't actually be empowered until the unempowered people empowered them. This would lead to a greater balance of power.

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

MORE POWER!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm shouting directly for Gareth here. If you have a problem with me then could you spit it out and stop hiding and swiping

oops, sorry lynskey, no i dont hold you to blame either! i didnt like the removal of james over nothing. but thats me done now, im sure everyone can carry on fine without my input;)

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the thread's been locked now, so I guess this is all moot.

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll unlock it in half an hour when everyone's calmed down.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The Girls who Smoke thread's better anyway.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham as far as I'm concerned you can keep it locked if you like. This was a total dud dud dud on my part.

― hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Why was it locked?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it got to the point where no one was even reading anyone else's posts. Not at the rate people were posting.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

While I totally sympathize with graham here (roughly it seems like he's displayed a touchiness and sensitivity on a subject so other people are trying deliberately to be jerks to him) it does point to the problems of having somebody this touchy with moderation privelage. The problem is that graham by responding with moderation etc. to people being jerky is giving them exactly what they want -- a response. Far better I think for graham to cease using moderator functions and get another mod. with less emotional involvement to step in and politely and firmly ask people to stop being dicks -- or even to make a reasoned appeal -- which actually jess & c. have been doing quite nicely.

I mean I know from hard experience that "Ignore Them" is terrible advice coz its not that easy -- but so is "Respond in Kind."

(haha an eye for an eye makes the world go blind -- yipe.)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham did you read any of THIS thread?!

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"an eye for an eye" is the worst masturbation euphemism ever.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

An unofficial moderator's code of conduct might be a nice idea. I'd like to think that I was being fairly reasonable in The Thread(tm) but nonetheless I wouldn't want to use moderator privileges on said thread because of my biased involvement in the discussion.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

We need many many more people with moderator priveleges, I think. Me locking that thread had nothing to do with my involvement in it, I just suddenly realised this was probably what the lock function is there for. I think we all needed a breather from it.

And apologies to your inbox sterling.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i am here specifically to tell hstencil that he doesn't need to aplogize for his thread. i think of threads like a coat of paint on the side of a new building... is the painter to be blamed for the grafitti?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Why don't moderators recuse themselves from moderating threads that they have taken part in?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

is there any way to "assign" threads to certain moderators...like every xnumber thread goes to this moderator to assure impartiality? (probably not, but i just thought i'd ask.)

(also, i can be a moderator as i already spend an inordinant amount of time online "working" but i'm usually up when everyone else in the world is asleep.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

OK sure.
Any other volunteers.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll put my name in the ring, but I don't know if I have enough senority to qualify. Anyway shouldn't all the existing moderators decide on (and recruit) the new bumper crop?

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see a big problem with moderation being open to anyone; my main suggestion would be that any moderator that has any emotional stake in a particular thread, as Graham and I both did in the Yelling Things thread (to varying extents) should maybe ask one of the other moderators for a second opinion or to step in, rather than acting on it right away.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I just looked at the 'settings' page for the first time, and was well impressed by all the new features Graham has added since we moved from Greenspun.

So I guess we have to take the rough w/ the smooth.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Being a mere dilettante, I haven't read the cars thread; I just want to point out that in my third post ever on this board I was unnecessarily nasty to Graham, I went two days before realizing I ought to apologize, and then my apology was half-assed, and I went another week before doing it right. And I'm thirty years older than Graham.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 7 March 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Hye I'll once again state, I have no problems moderating and fixing small threads for people, I just don't trust my judgement making huge calls. If you have a submoderator level I'd be ideal for the North America time frame.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 7 March 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hey graham, apology accepted. and apologies from me too for any unplesantness on my part.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 7 March 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I cannot seem to get the date to change to 'Today, Yesterday, etc' It doesn't appear to be saving the change in my settings. any ideas?

― Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Friday, 7 March 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i have that problem too

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 7 March 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

OK. I'm really beginning to sense the explosion in numbers of threads, such that there are many entirely-redundant threads and lots of very trivial ones. I know I am to blame for some of this (though I'd tried recently to shape up).

Here are some ideas to ponder: (1) make it impossible for users post more than one thread per day, per board; (2) make it impossible for people to post new threads until they have contributed [x--let's say 100] number of posts to the board. That way we'd avoid people discovering the board and immediately posting 1,000 threads about their sex lives or whatnot.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

''(1) make it impossible for users post more than one thread per day, per board; (2) make it impossible for people to post new threads until they have contributed [x--let's say 100] number of posts to the board.''

1 should only be considered if the server overloads or somefink.

that 100 figure is way off the mark and the second suggestion on the whole is an utter dud.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm opposed to the idea of a 'nursery phase' or anything else that reinforces the idea that there are regulars vs newbies, yeah.

I think the threads have been manageable since we had the big discussion. Some people are very opposed to any restriction, though they haven't been exceeding the 1/day guideline anyway.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I gonna go start a thread for each of Amateurist's suggestions and see if that fixes everything. And then if people disagree then I'll start two more threads on the EXACT OPPOSITE TOPIC because there's sure to be better conversation in those, right? RIGHT???

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we do need to discourage alternative threads, and starting a new thread for thread mutations seems to clog up the New Answers page unnecessarily too.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

b-but my chemistry chat up lines thread wouldn't exist without it graham!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, well maybe ILE only need so many academia puns per day, y'know?

― Graham (graham), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio's thread was inspired by an absolute desire to score the cute new chemist.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ew, like with a paring knife?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

For a chemist he doesn't know much about vivisection.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

no i don't.

the cute new chemist has been on my mind for a while but what gave me the idea was the maths thread.

''Yeah, well maybe ILE only need so many academia puns per day, y'know?''

ILE works more as 'work relief' so the sillier it gets the better.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

True. Sometimes they piss me off but if some people are enjoying them I don't feel I have a right to restrict them. It's all a matter of the mood you're in.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they are always shit, even if I start them. I get antsy if all ILE has to distract me with is crappy puns. BUT MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

sure they are shit. funny shit!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, piss off Dastoor. We're not here for your pleasure.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I am.

― the pinefox, Friday, 7 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

JUST FUCK YOU YOU FUCK FUCK FUCK

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

He is here for OUR pleasure.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

ummm....
maybe we could keep this all simple by just placing a small reminder on the top of every page that there is a search function at the bottom, or even just move the search option to the top?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

MY pleasure.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 8 March 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Um...

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 8 March 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I am happy to share the work of moderating, especially if it means I can assign uncategorized threads to categories or find the discussions that seem to have been lost in the move from Greenspun. Email me if help is still needed.

― felicity (felicity), Sunday, 9 March 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

several people have offered to be moderators (hem hem) and i don't think any of them have since been contacted. so dont hold yr breath on that count.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, Mark could you remove Graham's post from the Gareth thread please. I'm not sure what bought this on. I only became aware of it because Toby called to tell me. I will e-mail you both.

― Anna (Anna), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess, Andrew, Felicity, Mr Noodles: Anyone else? Which boards would you like jurisdiction over? Then it can be set up right away.

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i will take jursidiction over ALL

(ile is probably best for me as i will go rampant delete crazy if confronted with ilm on a bad day)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Again, shouldn't all the existing moderators decide on (and recruit) the new bumper crop?

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

quiet you!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't mind being a moderator again. I used to be one on ILM but never did very much. I guess I am often around in the evenings now so may be of more use. I don't really understand/look at ILM so much anymore, so maybe just ILE would be better.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well someone else can acutally install people.

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm happy for existing mods to decide and for anyone else who wants to do it. I was just offering because it seems like people have been overworked/stressed lately. It seems to me that between N. and jess, ILE would be covered. I don't read ILM enough to moderate it.

― felicity (felicity), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and Andrew and Noodles, too. I didn't mean to leave out Andrew and Noodles.

― felicity (felicity), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Tom should be responsible for assigning moderator status.

I also think that people who are saying "yeah I'll be a moderator" should really take a long look at themselves and be sure that they'll be able to behave themselves. Even the most responsible of us are capable of being extremely childish when given this kind of ability.

― Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll help out wherever, mostly I just planned on keeping an eye on this thread, otherwise the temptation to delete Geir would be overpowering. As I said, just an offer.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i may have offered in past, but wasnt responded to, or maybe i didnt. maybe i'm too flakey, ha!

but anyway, either ilm or ile or whatever, i'm available...

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

ditto etc

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

erm i'm happy for there to be all of you helping but i don't know what it entails on my part, if anything, to make it so

current ilm moderators = tom, me, sterl, tracer and sean c (i think)
current ile moderators = tom, me, maybe these other three also, i don't know

(graham also has moderator power but has said before now said he doesn't really want to do it: i think andrew whose server it is — and who currently on world tour? — is in the same position also)

can anyone who is interested email me and i'll sort it out with tom and graham this week and get back to you soon(ish)?

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 9 March 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

troll alert

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The nick is a bit of a give away.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yes dnftt

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

speaking of ILM i went on a thread-categorization spree about two months ago and got things up to date, sorta, and kept em there for maybe two weeks before I gave up again.

I feel sorta bad about this but damn it's a lot to keep on top of.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 10 March 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone remove my last post on the I HATE MY JOB thread. Its rude. and stupid and i regret saying it. Im not mean. PLEASE!

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It was true though.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

If someone is acting like an asshole, it's fine to call them on it. Unfortunately it's probably just feeding the troll.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

right and i don't feel like arguing with trolls today.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

There is now a pic on the Shaggable Indie Chicks thread on ILM that is not safe for work consumption (hot nipple action). I don't know if someone can add a (Not safe for work) to the thread title, but that would be nice.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

'Shaggable' really is the most prickish word in the world.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost by definition, N.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

That whole thread was twuntish in the extreme, but that's not really an issy-you for the moderators.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

'Shaggable' really is the most prickish word in the world.
Oh, completely, as proven by thee originat0r ov thee thread in question in this case, I think. I had hoped the BDSM japanese all-grrl prog band would have been the thread killer, but alas it seems not.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, if you have moderator privileges, can you delete the offensive posts on the WFMU DJ thread? It seems a shame to have a nice thread like that dragged down by two people tossing scatalogical insults back and forth.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It really is a shame but it's probably overstepping the mod's bounds as abusive posts about ppl. are removed only at their request and the flare up seems to have come and gone and etc.etc. heavy moderation can constitute a "chilling suppression" of speech etc.etc. and like if someone who's probably associated with the station wants to be a defensive dick then it should be a matter of public record.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my full name is on the Omnipotent Baby thread in the middle of the latest AIM chat posted by gareth, if it could be starred out or whatever that would be cool. Thanks.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

but isn't your name contained within your email addresss? Open for all who log in here to see?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't they disguised or something? I asked about this before I thought. It's not people knowing my name I mind, it's potential googling.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

you cant be googled by email address ronan, only if some stupid schmuck puts your full name in the body of the text.

oh wait...

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha ALRIGHT, YOU STUPID SCHMUCK

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

you can't be googled but anyone who logs in can see your full email address. Passersbuy can't.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

er, by stupid schmuck i meat STUPID FUCK obviously (bad bastard dub)

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

No one ever did anything about the hot nipple action on the "Shaggable Indie Chicks" thread. I guess you want me to get fired after I "accidently" forget I'm not supposed to open that thread and stare at that girls' nipples for hours on end instead of working. :(

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I am at work so can't open the thread to moderate it Nick!

(Plus if someone gets fired for reading that thread it will be a triumph for civilised values obv.)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Like I said above, I think it just needs a "Not Safe for Work" on the thread title, no picture delete or anything. It's not really a big deal. Everyone's got nipples.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

― dawnie lizard (mark s), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The workers of the world have been saved!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have changed it, Nick, but I only have mod privs on ILE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

You have to phear what Dang would have changed it to, mind.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Can there be a moratorium on ILM threads about Geir? It's getting kind of ridiculous.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You're just jealous.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

That Geir bloke just seems a bit dull - I don't really understand all this 'love to hate him' attention he gets.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Amateurist: like it or not Jon is not a troll but a regular, even if a somewhat frustrating one. he started a thread about acting dicky, then dicked around on it -- there's no reason for a moderator to get involved.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That Geir bloke just seems a bit dull - I don't really understand all this 'love to hate him' attention he gets.

Could be the fact he is in the top 10 monthly posters in just over a week. He should replace Ned atop the 30 day stats cock by the end of the next working week. You have no choice but to respond to him cause he shouts the loudests even if its usually nothing more insightful then a cat's meow or cow's moo.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

can someone please remove my last post from here. my anger notwithstanding, i definitely overreacted.

People not getting when you are pretending to be the "Ugly American"

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

He should replace Ned atop the 30 day stats cock by the end of the next working week.

To the victor belongs the spoils, I suppose.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how John went all 'love the sinner, hate the sin' on anthony

― P, Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

er, you probasbly should make a note that "i'm gloomy and low" is not particularly work safe.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 13 March 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm - Amusing ways for crap pop stars to kick the bucket

― P, Friday, 14 March 2003 08:47 (twenty-two years ago)

this also I'm afraid - If you HAD to sit next to one of these on a transatlantic plane flight which would it be? (And they all have flatulence)

― P, Friday, 14 March 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably nothing but at 4.40 today I was suddenly logged out and all my visted links on ILX have become unvisited. I've checked other sites and it only seems to have happened with ILX as far as the links go.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I have had this happen to me as well, seemingly at random.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 14 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

can someone please change that blindingly large "suicidal barbie" img (on the "abysmally depressed fuxors" thread) to a link or a thumbnail or something?

― sb, Friday, 14 March 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

A moderator may wish to ckeck thee latest post in thee indie chick thread over in ILM, but only if said mod is not at w3rk, like.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I have logged out about six times now and this computer is still telling me that I am Ed. This is not even Ed's computer!

― kate (dali), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Indian porn post deleted. Can't think of any solutions to Kate's dilemma - subscribe as a temporary new ID maybe?

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes! I am no longer Ed. Silly Mozilla, I had to go and manage the cookies manually. Man, I wish we had cookies for real.

― kate, Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Somebody -- perhaps the clown alluded to above -- is posting random porn images and animated gifs with a variety of his answers on both boards.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned I just made you an ILM moderator. Can you deal? (Or get back to me if it doesn't work/you don't know what to do).

This isn't v.urgent as it's the weekend and most ppl aren't accessing from work — I am superbusy today unfortunately.

(All the other moderators-in-waiting: yes I will sort it shortly.)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Er um uh. What do I do and how do I do it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

*does some testing* Ah, okay, got it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Eliminate them all...with extreme prejuidice.

See, this is why I should never under even the most dire of circumstances should be made moderator.

― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

if we ever need to delete the entire modern interweb, i will ask you to do it nicole

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

can I push the button instead (I have what it takes I know i do).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting rid of the ones on this board as I find them (please point them out to me as needed), but I can't do the same yet for ILM ones. Mark?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio in Minuteman desire SHOCKAH!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry my mistake Ned: you shd be good on ILM now too.

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

And indeed I am -- *deletes useless porn message* -- there. That's got it for now, I hope.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh, do I get to delete humanity too? Pretty please?

― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"useless porn message"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ned are you built like a ken doll?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Nicole can be refused.

I might be, Jess, but the parts haven't come back from the manufacturers yet (more seriously -- the posts were obvious trolling).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

we'll photoshop him into a ken doll.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

NEW TRICKS PLEASE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan909: your human sex disgusts me
Dubplatestyle: he's like one of those outer limits aliens with the giant brains
Ronan909: yes
Ronan909: the voice at the end
Ronan909: "human sex is something men have lusted after for generations, but what happens when someone walks among us who has escaped that loop, what happens when porn messages become useless"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

All right, you punks, I'm on AIM too and you can talk to me there. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

tee hee

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

ronan and jess do you hate spam?

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

do you hate fun?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we all hate funny spam?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, say, spammy fun?

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmmm, spammy fun:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/lol/spamato/spam-c07.jpg

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

um, could something be done about the porn animation in the "do you fetishistically AVOID listening to your favorite albums?" question on ILM, especially since there is no warning? sorry to bother people about it.

― jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean this one Things you know you SHOULD like but don't

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

thanx, jim. that's the one.

― jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Taken care of.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned = Ed Meese?

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey! :-(

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned is a machine!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Get on up, stay on the scene.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Domo Nari Gato, Mr. Raggetto

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha ha, not that i mind, just awkward and fearsome when looking at work in the wee hours of the night. thanx, ned.

― jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Yer welcome.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Twelve wise and kindly new moderators have been inducted to arbitrary lizard-hood in the kingdom of ilxor!!

Their wrath is your fault!! So behave!!

― We Are Law You Are Crime (mark s), Monday, 17 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(i think i emailed everyone willing: anyone omitted let me know)

― We Are Law You Are Crime (mark s), Monday, 17 March 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, am I supposed to have an Administer Board link?

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 17 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

jel you need to turn it on in yr settings

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Just added a post clarifying board-spamming to the FAQ.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

haha! The power is driving me mad! I have already banned over 50 ILXers who have ever disagreed with me! Haha!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 17 March 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, not really. I am calm.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 17 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You should make a thread for the newbies to play with their powers.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

But they'll go blind!

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, this is like trying not to masturbate during communion or some shit.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone thought to sort this jon williams twat and his html "hilarity", or is it his right to do this.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Moderators: I posted to the wrong thread. Can you remove that post for me? Thanks.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

There is nothing wrong with Jon williams. Its just japanese gobbledegook.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon Williams is one of the reasons I can read this BB, I hope the ILFascists aren't affecting him.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Moderators: I posted to the wrong thread. Can you remove that post for me? Thanks.

Amateurist I didn't realize you were linking to a specific message and assumed you just wanted your last post on the thread ("cronenberg directed THAT?") deleted. I am a dunce = you will need to repost that one-liner, sorry.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(beginner's unluck)

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's an ILFascist? Don't wet yourself dude, I just am pointing out that I have to write off any thread where that shit is cos it takes so long to work properly and generally is a mess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham removed the use of embed tags a bit ago and JW got upset but other than that I don't think there's been any moves to ban him Gygax and I'd be pretty apalled if the first person ILX did ban was someone so relatively harmless.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I really don't think there's anything anyone could do to get banned.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think if it had turned out to be easy to ban B3cky we might well have done. I'm sort of glad we didn't though.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

:-D

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah and I mean noone's talking about banning, I just think it's a matter of basic manners, to sound a bit grandad about it. I get the impression you'd be chuffed if I really was a moderator and did ban him.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

A question (because there are so many new mods): Say one of the moderators was having a bad day and deleted a lot of things that possibly did not warrant deleting. Is it possible to go back and restored the deleted threads/messages, if the case could be made that they should not have been deleted?

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think so, Nicole, but to be honest, I can't imagine it being a problem - everyone involved seems v. even-handed and democratic.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

No it's not possible. And yes we've all deleted stuff we've regretted. Moderators can have their powers removed though (DG removed mine after I drunkenly changed the categories to pirate themes once.)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Change it back, change it back, Tom, change it back!

everyone involved seems v. even-handed and democratic

Isn't that fucker Harvell, y'know, a mod?

― Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

DG was out of order IMO: pirate themes r00l

― ann bonney (mark s), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

We could make like google and have the occasional theme day, like Chickenbear Day and Pirate Day, all acording to the Anthony Easton Calendar.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

There is nothing wrong with Jon williams. Its just japanese gobbledegook.
-- Ed (dal...), March 17th, 2003. (later)

Except that on some computers (ie, mine) it comes up as a thousand little tiny boxes that for some reason make the scrolling move rrreeeaaallllyyy slllloooowwwwllly and apparently crash other peoples' computers.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed you are obviously mad or a troll!

― Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes Nick A is otm.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

those japanese characters have been edited out

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon Williams = Bill Gates SHOCKAH .... eh.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure Ed is neither mad nor a troll, and I'm sure Jon's hilarious madness works on some computers/systems, but it totally fucks up others.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

(also: i think that's his intent.)

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

PIRATE THEMES ROXX U R ALL GAY IF YOU DON'T LIKE PIRATE THEMES!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it is his intent yes, since it's so indiscriminate, I'm sure it's really funny if you're some kind of lobster like creature.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

All of you who can't display japanes on your computers, go buy a mac, or at least OS x.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rather whinge about it but thanks all the same!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

and all of you who can't afford hi-speed: get better jobs.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

All of you who speak japanese, learn English.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe not the correct place to ask this but I'm looking for a post where someone explains brilliantly what political correctness is to suzy (who responds, rightfully, that she don't need no such schooling in the meaning of PC) - was that you? Were you there on the night of the murder? Did you see anything? Are you the man on the red bicycle? If so, call the incident line on 555-"This Is The Thread Where You KEEP ON SHOUTING FOR THE MODERATOR!"

― Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 March 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi Guys, I think you should monitor the 'Real Life Trolls' thread. It could be nasty! Or at least Troll Baiting! : - o

― S Samson, Monday, 17 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Angry kittens.....C or D

Much obliged if a moderator could delete this post -- I linked to another page only to discover that the page redirects to something rather different.

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

done

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck off howie

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Many many many thanks Mark P!

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Who exactly are the new moderators and how should we address them in the future?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

As our insect lords? "Yes, O Master!"

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the moderators outnumber the rest of us at this stage...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Eep! 12ft Lizard Brother is watching YOU.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks jess.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

(That's a catcall of endearment, right? Actuallu, no, it probly is a genuine fuck off.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there a need for any more moderators? I've decided I spend way too much time here and could be useful.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

your just lucky i don't delete you all

― ill duce (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

just don't correct their speeling

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

my plan is to make everyone a moderator except [insert poster's name here for komikal yet massively divisive effect]

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

C---- R----- is of course a bot created to test the new moderators' patience.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like the Watcher now!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the fact he thinks i'm a girly!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"I must never interfere - oh well, just this once!" - the Watcher's catchphrase.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

can i be the phantom stranger?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm feeling more like the Spectre: it's that righteous vengeance thing that I can now unleash on sinners.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"let me condense my form so that i might more keenly observe you, mortals"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The hip-hop troll is indeed a troll - I am fairly sure he's the guy who was posting racist stuff on the aptly-named Shit board months ago, Oh what fun.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we change the title to Here There Be Dragons instead of Abadon All Hope?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the "look at me" or whatever thread, just fucked me up. Some dialog box in russian came up and I couldn't get out of it and had to quit all programs. annoying.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

that's just a gif, it's not a dialog box

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)

See, that's another good reason to switch to Mac -- you won't be fooled by fake dialog boxes on the web!

― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

There seems to be a slight problem with New Answers on ILM, with threads not appearing on the list. I revived this thread about half an hour ago - Scourge of Rockism Part II: The Mojo 1000 - and it's not showing. Also, some of the recently asked questions (which have answers from other people) aren't showing. Such as Do you like country musicians with strong opinions on the war? Ladies & Gentlemen, Mr. Charlie Daniels!

Is this just something that happens every now and again, some kind of ILX time-lag?

― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Same with ILE as well.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

D'oh!

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Rockism is there, last message at 8:38

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, you said Part II, I lied.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

this is a technical issue not a moderator issue, i think

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD WHERE YOU KEEP ON SHOUTING AT THE TECHNICIANS.

(but what is?)

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't tempt me!

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

*doesn't start stoopid random 'technician' thread*

Er, 'Problems' at the bottom of the screen should sort things unless Graham's deleted himself?

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

A lightbulb has just gone on over my head re. thread logjams and reducing ILM stress. Thread killfiles! If there was a tickbox on each thread which would make that thread invisible to you on new answers then you could use it to avoid being swamped by stuff you didn't want to read (other peoples FAPs etc) and to stop yourself being dragged into trollfests. BUT you wouldn't be damaging the sense of any of the threads you *do* like. Is it practicable and what does anyone think?

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we have killfiles for specific posters?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

No - that's been ruled out.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds like a good idea although I don't know how much I'd use it. Can we get new answers working properly again first, though.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay moderator pals, I just deleted a thread on ILM.

Dr C asked for his thread on what to do with a student card to be deleted coz he posted on ILM by mistake.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't use thread killfiles, because if a thread suddenly explodes with messages I want to check to see if it's become something different. The ones in which I have no interest are not hard to ignore.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel so powerful now.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, I asked for that a while back on Graham's features thread and he nixed the idea. Obviously there would have to be a "reveal hidden threads" button or something but yes.

― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i deleted a post of amateurist's last night that he asked me too: on bush's little war thread

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

thank you mark.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ilm doesn't seem to be admitting new threads into new answers. even in my new, godlike role as moderator, i'm running around like a chicken with its head cut off here.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah this is a technical issue and we lesser gods are fucked to deal with it.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 March 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, new answers came up as "cache error" or something and then it seemed to right itself. oh well.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 March 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Search function down? Or is it just me?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 20 March 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Scratch that, maybe I was using "common words". ("beyond" is common?)

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 20 March 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i contacted graham about it and he put it right as soon as he saw my email — it was the inadvertent by-product of something else he'd done some work on yesterday afternoon

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 20 March 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone delete my post on the IL* Challenge thread please... I suddenly regret posting it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(done, matt.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

haha then i posted a reply to Matt's, so delete that too cos now it makes no sense and seems mean when it wasn't meant to be.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

can the links on my Red Cross thread be fixed?

― g.cannon (gcannon), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Links fixed.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh! I had a great idea, if people post porn, instead of the moderator deleting the whole post, can we change the picture to the kitten in a glass? It could be stored on the ilxor server.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone delete this thread: On "support

My right hand brushed the "ENTER" key and I ended up posting a new thread before I had even finished writing it.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

um: "proud to be a troll. nigger.
-- JP Albin (twiggy66...) (webmail), March 21st, 2003 6:54 AM. (later) (John Paul Albin) (link)"

Ignorant ILM'ers referring to people they don't agree with as "trolls" C or D ?

― minna (minna), Friday, 21 March 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

what's wrong with that?

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"nigger" and "dumb jew" - uh-uh. I locked it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

better not to lock in these situations it can spill out all over the place, however offensive we find individual posts, I think. Let it die naturally and then remove it if necessary. If anyone finds it offensive they should avoid it for now.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Norman did exactly the right thing.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not much on ILM, but there was nothing offensive about that thread, several loaded words. We have become very quick to censor here.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Locking does not = censorship (nothing has been removed)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It is however a restriction and one that I don't think was justified in this situation.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the PI-I4Y|\/|3iST3R (I'm not very good at that) did the right thing too.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey guys, I am sorry to say this but appointing so many moderators who are regular users on this board will indeed lead to alot of censorship, thread locking, etc. If it continues than the input into ILM will be the moderators. I think he did the wrong thing. And I hope that his actions do not set the template for future moderators or else you will not have a very active board.

― S Samson, Friday, 21 March 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha ed, cut me some slack, I am new to this. I put the lock on the thread, b/c the same poster, over the course of a very few posts at the end of the thread had started tossing racial epiphets at people. The "nigger", the "dumb jew" and the "fucking mick". I locked it b/c I don't want that shit to get out of hand, basically. People can and do get SERIOUSLY offended by such trash talk. I have not yet seen such stuff thrown around on ILx yet (I might have missed it) I may be wrong though, and I may have fluffed my first moderator action. I will ask Tom & Mark S for advice. BTW, as Andrew L sez, I didn't (& wouldn't) censor anything. The words are all still there.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm only trying to provide feedback so mods can do a better job. There needs to be a consensus before moderators make actions.

Also people should not ask for their own posts to be removed or modified unless it is really really really necessary.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Also people should not ask for their own posts to be removed or modified unless it is really really really necessary.

with whatever respect is due, this is not your decision to make.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

why not a "edit/delete" function for your own posts?

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

If its just something you regret then I'm sorry but there's no case for moderation. If you've mistakenly revealed personal information then yes. Think before you post.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

On the purpose of moderating

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course Norm was right

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

with whatever respect is due, this is not your decision to make.

It's not a decision he's made, just a statement that people _shouldn't_ ask for this stuff to be changed. Which is out of his control. But it's probably fair enough to put in guidelines that the moderators shouldn't honour the request.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course Norm was wrong. ILX works like this: someone says something dumb -> People yell at him -> He repents or people stop paying him attention -> He goes away when no-one plays with him or he is becky lucas.

There's a post from Tom explaining all this (the cycle of life), but I can't remember what thread it was on.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

1. If someone started ranting away like that in the pub, I think the general "consensus" would be for them to be chucked out.

2. I think that those of us who do go on ILM regularly have rather more say in such matters than those who are "not much on ILM."

3. I completely agree with what Norman did, and can only add that if moderators in general acted with such commendable promptitude, then these boards would become far more pleasant for everyone to read.

4. Those wanting unrestricted free speech are advised to visit Speaker's Corner.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 21 March 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's another post from Tom, from upthread:
The hip-hop troll is indeed a troll - I am fairly sure he's the guy who was posting racist stuff on the aptly-named Shit board months ago, Oh what fun.

This, BTW:

Also people should not ask for their own posts to be removed or modified unless it is really really really necessary.

I agree with. As far as deleting/modifying stuff goes, it's basically anti-googling, removing contact details posted in error, and nothing more from me.

thx

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm only trying to provide feedback so mods can do a better job. There needs to be a consensus before moderators make actions.

And thanx Ed, I do appreciate it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

If moderators aren't allowed to crack down on racially abusive terms being slung around, what ARE they allowed to crack down on? Jesus...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Norman has been round the Interweb long enough to know the cycle of trolling, too, of which JPA is a perfect example. On-topic trolls (Hendrix is overrated; rap is rubbish) lead to meta-trolls (you are all PC idiots) lead to purely offensive trolls (racial slurs). If you do take action the troll gets to feel he's won; if you don't then the board looks like the kind of place that sort of shit is tolerated. Locking is the compromise solution - it's used when a thread is getting out of hand and (CRUCIALLY) is a reversible measure, unlike deletion. So I think Norman was right.

Like I said upthread I am 75% convinced JPA is the same guy who was trolling one of the minor boards with racist rants months back. (Heh well spotted N Phay)

Having lots of new moderators will involve a breaking-in period where people get used to being able to moderate, and mistakes will get made. I've made loads myself. But this wasn't one.

That said I'm sympathetic to what S Samson is saying. 5 moderators = 5 potentials for a quasi-offensive thread to get acted on. 15 moderators = 15 potentials - the chance of action *is* much higher. I'll prioritise working on the guidelines and making them public.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Samson about the potential drawbacks, but that sounds sensible Tom.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 21 March 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like some kind of code of practice to be made, actually. That would be helpful.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 21 March 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello where have moderators not acted swiftly enough before?

I think the James Blount incident has thrown a permanent spanner in the works around here, as lightly as it was taken at the time.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 21 March 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

no, the "spanner" was thrown earlier, by the increase in traffic, with its resultant tremendous stress on the at-that-time tiny number of moderators and technicians, who were expected to be on call all the time and yet perfectly inhumanly angelic and reasonable even concerning topics they had very VERY strong feelings about => the blount incident just happened to be the moment when the flaws manifested, but a nidentical incident (perhaps involving a different moderator) was by then inevitable

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 21 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is becoming a bit cry wolf. Can we keep discussion of moderation to the other thread?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 21 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I disagree with that, there was no need for anyone to be on call during the yelling out of cars thread, it wasn't a mess up in that respect, it was just a messup. There was no need for an inhumanly angelic or reasonable moderator on the thread because as far as I remember nothing needed to be moderated.

I have made the same point on the other thread, so we can continue it there I guess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 21 March 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Does the amount of war threads cropping up justify a new question category?

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 21 March 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I was going to ask about that too.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 21 March 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"That picture" has been posted on this thread:

This is the thread for people who still support the war (7 new answers)

Thanks to whomever did that. I'm at work you fucking asshole.

― hstencil, Friday, 21 March 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Removed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 March 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks Ned.

― hstencil, Friday, 21 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

wtf is up with that "blank" thread on ilm's new answers with 20 answers?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 March 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

FORUM MODERATOR: There was a thread about two weeks ago where someone used my old nick. I asked the evil post to be removed, and it never was. Did nobody notice that I had asked?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 21 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

wtf is up with that "blank" thread on ilm's new answers with 20 answers?
You must become a totally eleet h4X0r to enter the Secret Thread.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 21 March 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Give me the links to the message (use show all details) and your new nick shall be there instead.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 21 March 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a new Nick?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 21 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

You're not new?

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 21 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

can a moderator change the '?' mark in my takayanagi thread to an '!' mark. thanks

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 March 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

the link to the thread on ILM:

This is the thread where we talk about what a genius masayuki Takayanagi was?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 March 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Done. :-)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks JBR

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I know we should try not to use this thread for things we've said and regretted out of plain old dumbness. But if anyone has a moment and doesn't mind, my two posts at the bottom of the thread below could stand to go. There's one in which I start talking about a situation I really shouldn't be touching and then one in which apologize for that.

Pitchfork review in not getting it SHOCKAH

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

nitsuh i took care of it.

i also deleted some porn from the "most obnoxious ilm poster" thread, fyi.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks jess. i'm at work. i saw it just in time.

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Please could somebody delete the last picture I posted (March 13th) on the infamously moribund Most shaggable indie chick (sorry, I'm bored right now...) (Caution not safe for work. Also Caution Daisy Chainsaw.) thredd? Seems a little naff & inappropriate to have it up there, considering recent developments...(no need to elaborate pleeze).

Cheers!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

There is subsequent conversation about your pic, Charlie. Why should it be deleted anyway? What recent developments?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

well, there's a two-line "who's that" - "it's so-and-so" exchange between me and ESOJ but that's it.

Developments being my exponentially increasing guilt at posting a picture of someone I actually know and love dearly...who may well be arriving on ilXor in the nearish future...ulp.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, and there's also Phil's delightfully catty "cabaret" comment. such a charmer.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

All of which fall under General ILX Business.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

This seems to be turning into a request to delete a picture and a few posts, including ones by other people. I think I'll leave such a decision to one of the more senior people here, since I am a brand new mod, and haven't even got the uniform yet.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I edited the posts just now, but only Charlie's. Hopefully that will make it safe enough.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Jewel feels the PLUR

Can someone fix the egregious HTML mistake in the question for this thread, please?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Your bill is in the mail, Mr. Perry.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Thankyou guys, just what i was after.

I never meant to imply that I wanted other people's posts to be altered or deleted - not my place of course. Sean, your lightness of touch is to be applauded.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 27 March 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's a crazy idea, not especially for the moderators but for everyone: If you're going to start a new thread that's essentially a continuation of an old thread that's gotten cumbersome (like "posts the make you laugh out loud," for example), why not post a message like "Hey, I'm starting a new thread," and then get a moderator to lock the old one. This would prevent any possible confusion over 2 or more versions of the same thread, which admittedly isn't a huge problem right now, but could be.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Good idea, I think. It would help keep the sizes of the olde mega-threads a wee bit more manageable.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, i love how all the features keep disappearing!

buffy videos, people, buffy videos, your time is running out!

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I did just buy something, but if you know how much I made you would know Buffy dvds are something I could not afford.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

my arm just disappeared

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

My fingers are disappearing one by o

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

GRAHAM GIVETH, GRAHAM TAKETH AWAY

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

with th long threads you can always just change your settings to display the last 50, 100 messages or what have you.

and Graham, please return ILX to normal.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i volunteer to have a hack around with the code if you like

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan - this is going to be like when my dad volunteers to "fix" something, isn't it?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Go for it Alan.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan is going to replace everything with kittens, isn't he?

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan will touch it and be electrocuted and then Q will re-emerge.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

heh no. but i will do it if Graham's amenable. i don't know what the code looks like, but I'd prob just spend a few days commenting stuff before i changed anything. (and then they lez up)

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

U&K Q: Why has ILM vanished from the corner of ILE, and ILE vanished from the corner of ILM?

― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Because Graham is a clever boy who is also a grumpy-pants. And also needs to grow up.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i vote we put pinefox in charge of all technical issues

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It wouldn't be SO bad, sending each other little paper notes by carrier pigeon. We'd just have to DRAW our hilarious pictures of Ned instead of cheating with Photoshop.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

My egomania suggests a thread idea. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Right. So Andrew, can you change the administrator password for your box and send Graham copies of all his files?

I'm sorry if this seems callous or unfeeling, but this behavior COMPLETELY stampedes over a line that Graham has already hopped over before (the James Blount situation). It is patenly obvious he should not have any type of super privileges on the board that everyone is using. We need to give him copies of his work so that he can use it to bolster his CV, thank him for his work and send him on his way.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Playing on Oracle 8i is the way I make my living so if you want any help I'll be able to.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a bit extreme, Dan. I'm not aiming this directly at you, but at the hysteria around this whole issue: It sometimes seems that we play the "ownership" card selectively when it comes to how the board is run. If an outsider comes in and starts spewing a bunch of invective, we all say "Hey, this is Graham's board, we can clamp down on you if we like." When it affects US, all of a sudden we're like "Wahhhh, this OUR board, Graham is being a big meanie!"

I'm not saying that I particularly like what Graham is doing here, or that it's professional or even right. What I am saying is that this is Graham's baby and if he chooses to throw a "hissy fit" because he feels like no one has appreciated all of his work on this, fine. By the same token, none of us have to stick around if we find that obnoxious.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

however, several people did offer to help with the coding when we first made the jump to andrew's server, but nothing ever came of it. i still make that sincere offer. it's like all the mods shenanigans -- mark and tom are tired of it = they give mod rights to more ppl. if graham is tired of maintaining the boards, then let's set up a group of ppl to work collaboratively on the server.

no?

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually Sean when someone comes in spewing invective the moderators have tended to worry over the issue collectively and take responsibility for it themselves.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I also feel compelled to point out to the people that all of this has infuriated: all Graham has done at this point has tweaked the board somewhat so that it is almost identical to the Greenspun board that we used for years without complaining about lack of functionality. So he's removed a couple of handy links and move the answer window to a new page. Yeah, I liked those features too, but I think the strength of the reaction on this is being blown way out of proportion.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

its not the features themselves sean! its the spoilt brat display of petulance and power ("i can and will do what i like"), which is not healthy, least of all for graham. i mean, where has all this hissyfitting from graham actually got him over the last couple of months?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually Sean when someone comes in spewing invective the moderators have tended to worry over the issue collectively and take responsibility for it themselves.

True enough, but it also inspires a lot of hand-wringing from everyone else about "freedom of speech" and other such issues relating to public vs. private etc etc.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean, my issue isn't with what Graham has done to the interface; it's that he has done something unsolicited that reduced functionality without notification or justification and when people asked about it, he said, "I'm not putting anything back until you buy me expensive things, you ungrateful bastards." Also, perhaps you react to trolls with, "This is Graham's board," but I react with "This is our board" because it is. Graham owns the interface, not the posts; if he doesn't want us to have it, fine, someone else can write a different one (including me if I wasn't a lazy hypocrite) and when this whole enterprise started a whole bunch of us offered our help and weren't taken up on it.

Quite frankly, I don't think this behavior is going to stop and I think it's detrimental to the community. If the correct answer isn't to block Graham's access, we should move to a different interface he doesn't control.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

This has taken ages to post because the boards/my connection seem to be fux0red.

Yes yes Sean, but he's dicking with our sense of community because he thinks that he's being deliberately excluded from it SOMEHOW despite having done some wizard work on new features and having lots of praise and attention heaped on it.

Not actually his baby per se, as you've just pointed out yrself by noting that it's now more like it would be without his changes. Obviously it's taken a lot of time and effort on Graham's part, but I presume this was freely offered to tart up something he thought was worthwhile (everyone else obv does), but it's also good experience for him professionally.

I am pissed off, personally and on behalf of Graham himself. It's so frustrating to watch this stuff unfolding, having put a bit of effort into discussing things with him last Friday. GRRRRRRRR.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Also: given that Graham had been absent from ILX for the last little while, ostensibly because he wanted to take a break and/or wasn't getting anything out of the boards anymore, it's a little disingenuous of him to suddenly re-appear long enough to play the 'you don't pay enough attention to me' card.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

And while I understand Nabisco's instinct here (and indeed, he is to be commended for being so level-headed), the problem is that even though I DO have genuinely warm and appreciative things to say about Graham, I'm now much less likely to say them because I feel like they're being bullied out of me and, consequently, would have much less value anyway.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand your position on this, definitely, but I'd still caution everyone not to blow this up any bigger than it needs to be. Graham's "demand" for Buffy box sets was probably, as someone else elsethread pointed out, probably not all that serious, and in response NOT in regards to these post-Greenspun "bonus features" but in response to another question altogether, about fixing up something related to the command queue. Just so everyone is clear on the cause and effect here. (Note: that still doesn't necessarily mean that removing the features AFTER that was a good idea.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean, can you point me at the post where Graham said that? I can't find it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Start here and scroll down for the next few posts, especially this one. I think people are taking this supposed "blackmail" all too seriously. It's more like a joke that spun out of control, in my opinion.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously, scroll UP from that first post I linked if you want the back story.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean, I'd be more inclined to read it as a joke if it hadn't been followed up with the actual removal of features.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

possible chain of events:
• g is this morning working on important recoding something (possibly relating to the mass outs noticed on the thread wherre buffy dvds were first mentioned)
• g gets involved, during work, in argt abt appreciation/buffy dvds etc, he makes irritable jokes
• g fails to complete important recoding, which leaves certain features suspended/not turned back again (this has happened before, required work on one thing has fuxored another)
• g has to go to afternoon lecturers/tutorials (i assume that's where he is now), and leaves in a (possibly grumpy) rush, intending to sort stuff out later today

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

EXACTLY.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

(I posted this on the G's new features thread but it applies here.)

In retrospect more people should have been involved right from the beginning - lots of people offered help but Graham had actually gone and produced something which kind of pushed things in his direction naturally. As Sean has pointed out on other threads he hasn't actually done anything that awful - but it's the fact that he has the sole ability and will to do these things which is worrying/angering people.

I think that Graham is a bit burnt-out with the whole ilx thing, just as Mark is, just as I am. Alan's suggestion of a collaborative programming group is probably the best one - whether that includes Graham or not is up to him, really, but that's the direction we need to go in.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah! Open source! Woo! Er! Badgers!

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the "spinning out of control" part. And so far what's been removed have been conveniences that don't in any way actually affect the board's functionality beyond being able to do things a bit more quickly. People are screaming about this as if the board's been rendered unusable.

People have been aiming posts at Graham saying that this type of behaviour won't win him any friends and will probably get him less appreciation, and fair enough. Hollering for the guy's head over a couple of minor tweaks like this isn't going to accomplish much either. We've been filling up multiple threads with this now, and even without Graham around to defend himself (or maybe because of it) the level of discussion is getting uglier and uglier. Perhaps it would be far more productive for ALL of us to just back off of this for a bit and not make any decisions in the heat of the moment?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

FWIW I was talking about the open-source stuff a week or two ago in the pub, before any of this happened.

Whatever G's reasons it's obvious that a lot of regular posters here don't trust him. They may be wrong but in that kind of situation going collaborative is the best idea.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha intervening Mark S post makes mine have a completely different meaning)

Assuming Mark's post reflects reality, I obviously have bucketloads of apologizing to do.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe, Dan, maybe. Either way, us flying off the handle and demanding Graham be stripped of his access is no better than Graham flying off the handle and tweaking things.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Can anything I've said be fairly characterized as "flying off the handle"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Bad choice of words, perhaps. =)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

ie. "flying off the handle" = bad choice of words on my part.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

flying off the mangle

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

My poor ass just bought graham something off his wishlist coz why not + it was a rocking album that everyone should have anyway.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I understood. :-)

Honestly Graham, if you did post somewhere that you were interrupted for class in the middle of a technical update, I didn't see it and I apologize for taking your joking seriously. I do think you've done an excellent job with the interface for this board and could potentially make some money off of it (or get some serious open-source props for it).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the way mark is not passing any judgment on anyone's behaviour. FAPs are the things that tame you really. I also like sean's level headedness.

Graham is a nice guy but it must get tiring keeping up w/ppl's suggestions and so on (even if they are quite small).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay. I'm going to lunch now. Don't shut down the board or eject its founders into space while I'm gone, okay?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I apologize: I took it at face value that Graham was intentionally disabling features out of spite. I took this to be true because, frankly, it didn't seem out of character.

If there's evidence to indicate that this isn't the case, then I feel very bad for the posts I made on the "what happened to the etc." thread, and mods can feel free to delete them. I still think they're true, but I'd prefer that Graham didn't come home and read them if they really weren't deserved or relevant at the moment.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

It is the case. I'll add my thoughts on it later.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I do think going more collaborative on the code is a good thing, but I'd really like Graham to be okay with that. This board is run on his excellent code, and I'd be much happier with his bringing more people in to help and as insurance, rather than our trying to take his work away from him, which isn't right at all.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

If we gave him the source code, we wouldn't be taking his work away from him.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The source code is already his, Dan: we can't give it to him. I don't think we are entitled to just take it as if it belongs to us (who is this us anyway?), but I hope Graham will choose to open it up to everyone. Fact is, aside from these fears of Graham choosing to tear down ILX, no one is safe from accidents, and we need a safety net, and the best one is distributing the code for an ILX coding group to handle. I'd like that to be led by Graham, personally.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

How about someone with a Graham wig on doing a passable Graham impression (not as easy as it sounds)? Would that work?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a very fair point, Martin; I'd actually typed something that said, "Who else can get together and write a new ILXOR?" way way back but deleted it in favor of arguing with Sean.

So, anyone else want to do this? (I don't have the bandwidth to do it all on my own.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll volunteer to join the coding team, if such happens.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this the place to ask kindly to have accidentally multiply-posted image posts deleted? If so, please delete all but the last one of my Foetus cover thingies on the red and the black. Thanks. And sorry.

― OleM (OleM), Thursday, 27 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Done, I think (maybe have deleted the wrong ones)

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 March 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, perfect, thanks.

― OleM (OleM), Friday, 28 March 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Please (as quickly and discretely as possible) can someone delete my final post on the FAP Toronto Apr 19 - My Birthday thread? Thank you.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(done. if i got the right one that is.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellent work.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops, I think I deleted another one of yours too! Sorry :(

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Keep going!

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

to the boiler room for one week with you!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

:`(

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

can someone do soomething about that thread title up top, it'as making the new answer pages unsafe for my work.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Err - I'm kind of in sympathy with Chris but we've never changed bad language before have we? What would we do - star it out? That seems a bit lame.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's just that it's, er, quite big. But it will drop off soon anyway won't it.

(*not daring even to THINK about what I've just typed*)

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Big? I haven't actually opened the thread. I thought Chris was just talking about the title.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. The title in all caps... which is also currently bolded because unanswered...

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ermmmm... I'm not taking the Troll's side, but... what's worse? Feeding the troll, or justifying the Troll's paranoia? I think C*l*m is as big an idiot as the next guy, but locking threads before there are any posts seems a bit... you do kind of feed his outrage there.

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It was just that I was a bit wary of opening a page with C*** in big bold letters on it, some people don't like that sort of thing, and the way my day is going someone is likely to see and take offence.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

...because now he's just posting multiple threads about the same boring crap. And you know what? He's somewhat justified in his protests of "censorship" this time.

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

just the one kate

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan I, isn't a troll as far as I'm aware. What is the thread about? Yeah, people should show be more aware of using offensive language in thread titles, it's not cool.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

block his threads=more threads. his posts across more threads.

ignore his threads=less threads. his posts concentrated on his own threads.

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Current count: two threads. And I bet if that one gets locked, he'll start another one. He's a sub-neanderthal fratboy idiot that I wouldn't cross the road to vomit on, but it's easier to ignore him than to have to put up with him actually having the high road for once.

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with kate.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the messgae in the thread reads: "OR YE'LL GET THE STROP 'GAIN U SEE IF WE DON'T!!!!!!" (thank Graham for blog view!). I'm in favour of changing the wording, really.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

ie, there will be the same number of posts from him. it depends whether you would like them all in one place, or diffused across the board.

also, blocking is a tremendous way to feed the ego and indulge the feeling of importance

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

''ignore his threads=less threads. his posts concentrated on his own threads.''

I hope ppl ignore but will they?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you are talking about Calum, my bad.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

High road = high moral ground, obv. Sorry, mix and match metaphors strike again.

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to know who locked it.

On This Is The Thread Where MODERATORS SHOUT AT YOU! nabisco thinks it was a good idea but.. how should we decide whether to unlock it or not? The view here seems to be it was unhelpful.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck it, I'm unlocking it (having looked at the draft moderator guidelines again). You have errr.. 10 mins to object.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

well since has started another one there's no need.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

But still, as a matter of principle and to prove we're not unreasonable.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm in favour of unlocking the thread. Because it will only go to prove that it will peter out naturally.

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

unlock the thread its peurile to lock it. If you don't like calum, don't read his threads and ignore him on other people's.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the thread I was talking about unlocking:

Why do ILM Moderators protect the beast that is Mick Hucknell?

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

well lets hope ppl ignore it (I'm fairly confident they will this time bcz most must have seen it locked) but he will try this sort of shit again. lets hope most keep ignoring it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

esoj has just suggested he move to ILE!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

GOD, NOOOOOOOO!!!

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

oh shit sorry

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

haha delete his post N

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

tell him to move to I Love Conkers instead!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

or I Love Sexism

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I was actually happy someone locked Calum's thread. What happened for the switch?

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

He started a new thread to complain right away. So rather than play cat and mouse and provoke him more etc. I deleted the complaint thread and opened the other thread back up -- like just a slap on the wrist to tell him to frikin cool it. [this is re: the new thread he started wherein he fantasizes about brainwashing popstars to sleep with him]

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there some way to make Calum think he's successfully posting new messages and new threads but they are in fact invisible to everyone but he and the moderators? That would be keen.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

nah, you were just impressed that he's "done stand up comedy".

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(Mean and keen.)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"done stand up comedy"=made lame jokes while standing in front of the mirror in his boxers

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think we even need to commment on whether his routine was a bomb at the student union.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there some way to make Calum think he's successfully posting new messages and new threads but they are in fact invisible to everyone but he and the moderators? That would be keen.

As far as I know the only person who could do that even if we wanted to is Graham.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

My new strategy is to follow jess in saying very nasty things about him on his threads that don't lend themselves to whiny responses. I.e. if you make a crack about how he's obv. hard up then he'll start talking about how he's dated models and has so much sex that etc.etc. But if you say he's worthless and might as well drop dead it's much harder for him to respond. So yes -- cold unremitting hostility until he drops it.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

cold unremitting hostility

Sterling-as-Donald Rumsfeld shocka!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

JESUS CHRIST JUST IGNORE HIM!

(What I said to Jesus applies to the rest of you, too.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm no moderator, but I think the best thing to do with an asshat like that is either a. ignore him or b. if you can't ignore him, do a thread hijack where you start talking about something that has nothing to do with the dull witterings he's posted. If you censor him in any way, he's bound to feel like he has won.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

PS: All hands up for locking this thread and starting "This Is The Thread Where You KEEP ON SHOUTING FOR THE MODERATOR! THE SAGA CONTINUES", cause its a pain to download on a slow connection.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

yes

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

As I think Tom has discussed ages ago on moderation, the problem is that if you start completely ignoring ppl. like calum then the board becomes a place where stuff like his passes without comment, and then more of that stuff comes crawling out from the little hidey-holes and sooner or later civil discourse degenrates entirely.

We need to either train him to behave or send him on his way but we can't just let that stuff clog up and become part of the ILX enviornment -- because if it remains politely ignored I suspect many people (myself included) will leave the boards.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Problem is, he's such an attention seeking little crybaby that any censorship or rebuke sets him off all over again.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Noodles, are you aware of the "only show last X posts" option?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, I disagree with that entire line of thought. USENET should a textbook example of why confronting trollish behavior doesn't actually get rid of it.

Calum has given ample evidence to support the theory that he's looking for reactions, positive or negative. You may think you're dissuading him, but you're not; you're goading him on.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder if just saying "you are a tedious little misogynist and homophobe and I have no intention of talking to you any more than to say that" might fulfil the need to make a stand, and amount to not engaging with him? I agree that ignoring all he says kind of makes it look tolerated, but getting into debates with him is a waste of everyone's time.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I think ignoring is the best solution, but it takes EVERYBODY ignoring him to succeed. Invariably, someone (who hasn't read this thread) will appear and feed the troll.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't it be easier just to have him, you know... whacked?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, he's already pretty wack.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Pay Brett Anderson to sit on his face! I think that's what he secretly wants, anyway.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Brett could probably use the money, too.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly! Everyone wins.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone except for my poor imagination.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

EM@IL seems to demand a lot of attention as well... *sigh* So, is blocking IPs just an invitation for misery and an overraction?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

EM@IL seems more of a harmless "character" for the most part I think.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

My 2 cents is that it's harsh, mean and unnecessary to name-check specific posters you might not care for on the MODERATOR thread. I thought the idea of creating more mods was to share the burden of fixing errors in accordance with the stated FAQ and guidelines, not to install the ILX thought police.

Plus don't you think name-checking the attention-seeking may be somewhat counter-productive?

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Blocking IPs is tricky, because people who are on dial-up or a dynamic broadband connection may be coming in from multiple IP addresses, in which case the only effective solution for blocking would be blocking a range...which would theoretically affect other users. That's just the technical part of it; I don't think it should be done if it can be avoided because then the people who are thus blocked may try coming at it from different angles, and if they're feeling persecuted may try even worse shit on the board...it's the start of an escalatory series that we'd best avoid altogether.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

HELLO.

― , Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed... feel free to block me.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Besides the em@!l character has been here for awhile now under slight variations. I would be more concerned about Calum and his idoicy reducing everybody to mudslinging.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello em@il, it's been a while. I like the new capital letters. Have you been lifting? :)

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The reason I thought locking the Calum thread wasn't a bad idea is that he's quite often a perfectly normal poster: on threads about the sort of rock bands he likes, he's perfectly capable of posting a normal opinion and then arguing it with, you know, the everyday acceptable level of idiocy that could come from any one of us (okay, me). I was thinking that just locking off his diversion threads could theoretically lead him to give up on that and actually just discuss normally across the board, but I guess I was wrong -- when I looked in he hadn't started up the new complaining thread yet, so I was under the misimpression that he'd taken it well.

Now that I think about it, deleting would have been way better than blocking, cause then you could pretend it never happened. "Mick Hucknall? You're sure you posted it to ILM? Well are you using the search function correctly?"

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

We left all that b*cky luc-4ss shit up there and got through that, what's the crisis here? I don't think anything Calum or EMAIL or anybody else has constituted a situ demanding any sort of moderation. Some of it's been pretty funny! Moderation != a tool for getting rid of stuff you're not very into.

If you want to change the tone you need more text, not less.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, using your admin powers to give yourself more than "one person, one vote" = dud, dud, dud.

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah - what Tracer and Dan said. You've all gone nuts. ROGUE MODERATOR ALERT.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

But who is watching the Rogue Categorizer? Now that's really a much bigger concern. ONce it's miscategorized, it's as good as gone!

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

For christ's sake -- from the FAQ:

"Offensive threads. At their discretion, moderators can delete entire threads which are likely to cause offence. It happens very rarely - threads which are racially or sexually abusive are the most likely. Even then moderators might not delete the thread, if an offensive question seems likely to provoke debate. If you find a thread offensive, please say on the thread or email a moderator about it."

Calum's threads are sexually abusive by any but the most obscenely generous reading. Finding a way to keep the boards as free as possible of this soft of stuff is precisely one of the jobs of moderating.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"debate"

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"might"
"seems likely"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

They're not that bad. Only a sustained torrent of disruptive racist or sexist abuse should fall foul of this. There was a question in there - it was just very dull and attention-seeking. Yeah OK so the 'are women born with whatever in their brains' question was maybe heading that way but it was kind of incidental to the post as a whole. I think you're being way too heavy handed, sorry Sterling. I just don't see what the point is - who are trying to protect?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Pay Brett Anderson to sit on his face! I think that's what he secretly wants, anyway.

I thought we were talking about C***m, not my ten-years-back subconscious. (Massed chorus of 'EW!s)

Dan speaks my mind. I just ignore Mr. C and his twitlike ways.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

EW!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

EW!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

We left all that b*cky luc-4ss shit up there and got through that, what's the crisis here?

Didn't Tom lock those threads and let some sink to the bottom when it was at its worse?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew some people would come through.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Look, I don't mind having low-level trolls who are silly or absurdist or compulsive posters or etc. But one way or another -- and maybe moderation isn't the best way (tho i think the temporary locking etc. did nip this thing in the bud and etc) I want to keep the boards free of offensive trash. Because, like I said, if it sticks around even at an ever-present low level, then people will start to leave, and if it gets bad enough that includes me too.

You'll not that I did not delete his thread, just locked it because it *wasn't* a constructive question that could lead to debate or discussion -- it was trash. N. you are being very purposefully dense if you think that the "offensive" part of the Mick Hucknell thread was limited to a slight turn of phrase. It was a question where one of the two answers -- the one it clearly slanted to -- puts you slightly outside the scope of basic human decency.

And the thread now in question wasn't a "post pics of hot chiXoR" thread and we have a few of those anyway (one at least thanx to calum as I recall) but something entirely more perverse.

The only "crisis" here is that every time a moderator does *anything* ppl. get all freaky about it.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, I think some of the things you've said are more offensive than the cartoonish rubbish Calum has spouted. Should we lock yr threads too?

It's a message board, not a small independent country. We really don't need this much debate over rules and procedures, this is ridiculous and silly.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(I thought I was Secretary of Filth for ILXia.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem: "threads which are racially or sexually abusive".

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

more moderators = more moderation + harder to reach a consensus on what should be moderated = fite!

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, like no one knew this was going to happen, bnw. :-)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling who cares about the FAQ, it's just a general reflection of what we want, it's not authoritative or anything. What I want—and it seems I'm not alone—is to reserve deletion or locking or banning for only the most extreme cases. I was very proud of our little gang for LEAVING the becky posts there, NOT banning her—surely the most extreme case we've ever had—and letting it all blow over, even though she sickened me almost beyond words. Maybe Tom locked some of those threads, I don't remember. She was never banned though, and none of those threads were deleted.

Things you don't like are obstacles to overcome; the test of your character is to overcome it. Simply removing obstacles with the click of a button deprives life of struggle and drama and meaning. I'm not saying this out of some weird masochism but because I think seeing things get thrashed out in the court of our opinion—or ignored, which is one kind of opinion—is to me far preferable to the ultimate tone of this place than revising history day in and day out. I honestly can't believe this is even an issue. Habermas would be ashamed!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

But its its its fredom of speech maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Sterling you rouge monitor you, U R ALL GAY!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"rouge monitor"!!!! *dies of happiness*

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Sterling, I saw the FAQ definition of offensive. And I still say a handful things you've posted are more offensive/disturbing than Calum's cartoonish sexism.

DELETE THE INTERNET OBV. IF WE TOLERATE CALUM THEN OUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT, ETC.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem: "threads which are racially or sexually abusive".

Sterling, you are a spaceman if you think you can make value judgment calls like that! Did you miss the post-structuralist/post-modernist movements? It's not your blog already! If you don't want to have a discussion don't come to -- or moderate -- a discussion forum. Who has been complaining? Who are you trying to protect?

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling is a spaceman who monitors rouge. *dies again, even happier than before*

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

haha Ally, I almost made that exact same MSP joke!

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok for Tracer and everyone else who seems to be unclear on the concept:

*Nobody was banned and there are no serious proposals being floated for a ban (certainly not from me).

*Only one thread was deleted, because it was a request to unlock a thread which was indeed unlocked. Thus the other thread was no longer needed and neither Calum or anyone else complained about this.

*The only other thread deletion I've undertaken in my time as moderator has been removing duplicate threads at the request of posters (twice, maybe three times).

I'd also argue that there's a strong difference between ILM and ILE -- ILM always had a mildly stronger moderation policy for good reason, because it is a discussion board for talking about music and everything that entails. Therefore something which is offensive on ILE is still "everything" but there are at least slightly stricter guidelines on ILM. The Mitch Hucknell post, for example, had essentially no relation to music tho it took him as a starting point. And I say this as someone who thinks nearly everything relates to music.

And finally:

Sterling, you are a spaceman if you think you can make value judgment calls like that!

is a rather absurd point because otherwise we would have *no moderation at all*, no? I have the strong feeling that posters here are still not bothering to check out the content of the messages for themselves or to have a sense of proportion re: the actions that were taken.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

And as a final point, I'm not even particularly in favor of further moderation of Calum unless he becomes qualitatively worse. I think it was sufficient to remind him that he needs to watch his step and try to clean up his act.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Bah, if it had worked we would all be ssaying things like "Calum Vs Manics FITE!, I Kiss You!". Except Ed, who would be bemoaning freedom of speech.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my, Calum Vs Manics FITE! = new Sterling apparently.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, I don't mean to downplay the work and time you're put into your role as ILM mod (and you were a Mod before I was a Mod). But can you accept that my vote, if I have one, is to to err on the side of inclusiveness/offense? If someone is starting so many threads you can't read the board that's different, but won't the uninteresting ones die of natural causes?

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

FREEDOM OF SPEECH WON'T FEED MY CHILDREN, ETC.

Quite honestly I think there are too many cooks in the pot and all that, and I think that there is a weird balance of nutcases versus people just trying to help out a bit and quite frankly it'll never work and eventually we'll get some mod running around like Mussolini, which would actually be great so we need to keep this up.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterl you also locked the thread where Calum complained about you. That was totally out of bounds. If you spent less time defending yourself, locking threads that complain about you, etc, and more time actually engaging with ppl's concerns we might come closer to getting "the concept". You could start with N. and Felicity's question, which I think is a very good one: Who are you protecting? A follow-up: did anyone ask you to lock any of those threads? I think I'd prefer reactive moderation rather than pro. Others may feel differently.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll making those fucking trains run on time yet

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Ally, I don't know why I got all up this shiznit . . . getting involved goes against my general attitude. I think I just like arguing with nabisco and Sterling. It's a Chicago thing.

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

mods, we need a nonpartisan stand against the infidels! they will perceive our weaknesses and xploit them! behead the dissenters!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we have all been excited since that lurker guy wrote that he's addicted to the MODERATOR thread like it's a reality show.

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

WE LIVE IN URBAN HELL, WE DESTROY ROCK 'N' ROLL, ETC.

Wait, that doesn't make sense. DELETE THE INTERNET.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree felicity -- the point was to see if calum could be nudged into more civility. Locking is a "soft" reversible act, and I just wanted to send a warning. Like I said, there's obviously no point in just shutting his threads down seriously anyway as they'd only multiply.

[Tracer -- the calum complaint thread was locked because the original thread was reinstated]

The most frustrating part for me is that the obvious thing to do in almost any other case would be to direct calum to ILE for any number of things -- talking about hot chiXoR, etc., and even starting threads on moderation practices. However it's quite obvious that nobody on ILE really wants him to come here anyway, so there's a bit of a rock and hard place in terms of what to do.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, see, this is why I would make a crap moderator: I've never understood this desire to encourage free speech on message boards, though I guess I admire it in all of you. I guess for me it's basically the "there goes the neighborhood" theory Sterling mentions: sometimes those threads don't die of natural causes, and sometimes they just gradually multiply as their readership expands and the people who don't like them jump ship. Tracer's absolutely right that the burden is on non-Calum people to keep up their own discussions and keep the nonsense out of it. But that can be a surprisingly big burden, I think. The whole purpose of trolling is to continually try your patience, to test you: obviously it's a pain to have someone continually buzzing around trying to get a rise out of you, even if you never give them their satisfaction.

Of course, the last poster lured into outright racist trolling wasn't moderated at all and has been mostly quiet since. And it seems like everyone's agreed to let Calum needle away for a while longer, so maybe we'll get lucky.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I really bet yr crying yr eyes out over that one, Sterl.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha also people forget the massively extreme measures taken with b*l* including the "secret" DNFTT message and plenty of other things (including, as has been pointed out, locking). The other odd thing is that PH4Ying or Kodinashing a thread can disrupt it far more than locking but nobody ever seems to get up in arms about that.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-but the Calum complaint thread WAS a thread about moderation practices—yours, specifically—it was not a duplicate of the orig thread you found sexually abusive, or uncivil, or whatever it was

if you want to nudge (and i think we ALL want to nudge at one time or another), nudge in writing, don't freeze everyone out

if there's a problem, yo, we'll solve it

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

This is all very One Ring-like. Where was the One Ring forged and can we return it?

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, I think you have been corrupted by the power of the ring!

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

who knows what abt the nine?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like doomie posting over and over -- but the other thing is that his thread was itself a troll, and not an honest question.

My innocent and charmingly intellectual posting about Mr Hucknall's ability to ruin feminist discourse was locked yesterday. Where are the ginger man sympathisers? Censorious knob jockeys.

is hardly a start to a thread which actually wants to discuss moderation practices. (it is unlocked now, btw)

i feel somewhat condescending even trying to explain this but here it goes: his orig. thread was clearly a troll and now he's hamming it up as the innocent victim who obviously *opposes* Mr. Hucknall's ability to ruin feminist discourse because y'know, we've all seen how much of a feminist Calum is. This isn't about discussing moderation practices, but an attempt to restart the discussion on nearly the same terms as his first thread -- i.e. to troll.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(stop me I'm doooommiiieee....)

And this was noted by the responses prior to mine on the thread, including Kate's which disclaimed itself DNFTT.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

life is mysterious, Sterling, threads may be tomorrow what they were not today

it is not up to you to decide what is honest or not

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer did you just convert to zen or something?

Moderators *do* have to make loaded choices and that's part of the burden & trust placed in mods. I can argue for the validity of the choice, but I can't disclaim the need to make a choice. Anything else is utopian tomfoolery.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It's fun being a Nazgul . . .

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess it comes down to a subjective assessment of someone's personality. Calum = a twat. I don't see him as some nutty troll who is looking to disrupt ILX for its own sake. Yes, I take your point about signal-noise ratio but I just don't think he's anywhere like as all consuming a presence as others have been in the past. If I were looking at ILM for the first time I'd be more put off by all the crappy acronyms in the thread titles and boring lists. I'd just see Calum's stuff and ignore it. Judging by the comparative lack of response he gets I'd surmise that his crappiness wasn't typical of the place.

Even if you take the view that he's the new Becky Luca5 (and I agree with Nabisco that I don't hold freedom of ILX speech sacrosanct), the point is how is this going to make things better? I don't give a toss about Calum but I don't want to antagonise him into becoming a *real* disruption. Why can't I get war analogies out of my head? Too much war, too much ILX.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe if we all buy his magazine he'll get too busy with it to post to ILX.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

less gayness please, you dull fucks.

― Simeon (Simeon), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahaha "burden and trust" - it wasn't a fucking election, Sterling.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG I'm blushing with happiness from Felicity's totally germane Television Personalities reference upthread.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me tell you a story.

When Ask A Drunk moved here it was because there was no moderator and it was getting trolled to death. In the end it was over 95% racist abuse / personal insults. When it got moved here I was given moderator status on it for logistical purposes.

I forgot about the admin bit for ages until someone came along spouting racist abuse and insults (the guy who started the board that got deleted). We humoured him and took the piss out of him for a while and really didn't mind it, it being quite an isolated incident. Then someone who had never posted to AAD before appeared on his thread. He responded with a very offensive tirade of personal abuse against this person. I decided to get rid of his post and replace it with a message saying what I'd done. Unfortunately the person he was insulting objected to the moderation and never posted again.

The next time it came up was when the person responsible for all the nastiness on Greenspun found us again. He was well behaved for a while, but all the regular posted demand that I do something about it. I didn't as he'd not stepped out of line on ILX. This made me very, very unpopular. Finally he did start overstepping the mark and whilst leathered on booze I was dared to create a "prison" thread and move all his posts there. He did not stop posting. Finally, when everybody stopped responding to him he went away.

Draw your own conclusions from this. Heavy handed moderation does not work. This is why I've always respected Tom. Never eager to act, always willing to explain himself and often before he acted. It seems to me there are too many new mods that are too eager to use their new found powers. Like Carrie in the film "Carrie".

If all the new mods were created to lighten the load on long suffering ilxers, then fine. But if there are a bunch of moderators I think it would be a good idea to get some sort of concencus before any action is taken. Yes, this can't be done in all cases, but for anything beyond porn deletion and extremely objectionable behaviour it is a good idea. People putting up threads like Calums are not a cause for extreme prejudice. It's not just feeding the troll, it's vindicating the troll and will not make him go away. Look at Becky for your model as how these things can be brought to an end.

These are my two cents, take them or leave them.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, Sterling, i was leaving work and tried to distill it all into that little nugget of banality; it was probably "a nudge too far"

that said, i agree that you have to make choices but the fewer the better, i think. pretend it's out of your hands until the last moment, and pull it out like a hidden dagger in your boot (sorry, N)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(Is anyone else entertaining him or herself by making mental comparisons with terrorism and/or Saddam Hussein?)

By the way, any worries I have about Calum about specifically based around the fact that he's not an all-out troll. Part of him is: he comes here seeking action and attention, and it appears that being locked off or moderated is one sort of attention he's perfectly happy to get. Fair enough: DNFTT, etc. The bit that's worrying is that his particular sort of trolling is actually quite average and would be considered quite funny by a great many people: my fear isn't that someone will feed the troll and that he'll keep trolling, but that people will start appearing who are more than happy to have actual discussions on his level. I'm not sure what anyone can do about that.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Totally agree with that. Now let's start make immigration analogies.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

No, the Saddam one is more fun because in a world of computer dorks I really would carry a big anti-war sign that said "Do Not Feed the Trolls / Terrorists."

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

so have actual discussions that leave his level in the dust, innit nabisco? otherwise you concede that his WAY is actually more forceful than yours.

can't come up with any immigration material, N—though i'm trying

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

APPROX 1200 TROLLS DETAINED AT GUANTANAMO

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco, you would advocate starving them? War criminal.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I predict massive troll blowback in 6 months. (Also there may or may not be evidence of Tracer selling Calum random i.p. numbers.)

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

My two cents, for whatever they're worth:

Ignore the idiots. This is a venue for dicussion and exchange of ideas. And any such open exchange is going to eventually start to offend someone. And if the MODS start jumping to squelch every controversial post/thread/conversation/points made within posts, then at some point we are all going to have to be squelched. I know that some of my posts have offended people - while it was not my intent, I do know that it occurred. I respect the fact that those who I offended didn't go running to beg for me to be banned, locked, or whatever. If you don't respond to the idiots, they will eventually move on to greener pastures where they do get some attention.

In regards to the Becky Luc@s fiasco/situation - hell, I ended-up in the middle of that one right after I finally came out of the lurker woods. Basically, I treated her posts asking for help as being legitimate, figuring that even if she was pulling some sort of headgame, maybe the words and ideas might prove to be of benefit to someone else. And I am certain that if I come across a post from one of the "trolls" mentioned up-thread, that strikes me as being a cry for help (as opposed to a cry for attention and validation of idiocy), then I am going to respond openly and honestly. And if I come across posts that I find offensive, then I'll ignore them or I'll laugh at them and move on.

The only time when I think that blocking/banning is an acceptable response is when the troll is threatening someone in real life, doing the I.P numbers crap, is doing the cyber-stalking thing...basically any time that the idiocy moves from being easily set aside as being a pathetic cry for attention and becomes a serious (or at least seriously perceived) threat to one of us or to the board as a whole.

Otherwise, ignore them and they'll go away. They only post to get responses - and they're sitting back laughing when one of us gets all rilled-up, as they then know that person's buttons and how to manipulate them. It's like a whining child. You don't give in to the whining, but ignore it - and you do respond to a polite request. These dufuses (is that the plural?) are just kids looking for attention. Don't waste your time giving it to them.

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum's just an ass, not nearly provocative/hysterical enough to require the locking of threads, etc. ('tain't no b3cky luc4s, so he hardly warrants a stronger response). I'm totally on board for any jess/Sterling gangbang action though, these people tend to either be geeks hiding behind the anonymity the internet affords or just fratboys who wandered into the wrong bar. Either way they usually can't handle being laughed at by the 'cool kids' (ha!) so using Heathers tactics might be, um, cathartic. It might actually make those threads entertaining for someone other than Calum.

Clearly however the best method (as b3cky luc4s done shown) is ignore the troll, and I'm not sure Calum is provocative enough (offensive enough sure) to count as a troll - trolls post what they post to get attention, I sincerely believe this guy is an actual sexist asshole.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, lotta drama while back

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer had the best idea:

one moderator only: VANILLA ICE

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello!

I'm on ILX sabbatical (no honest) (though you can AIM me at NoWorkForTom) but I thought I'd clarify a cpl of things here.

The "racially or sexually abusive" thing was inserted in the FAQ after someone started a thread called "Which pop star would you most like to see gang raped?" and the content suggested this wasn't just a crap joke cos it went on about various stars 'deserving it' and was basically k-offensive - Calum's threads haven't got to that level I think. (I've been insta-deleting openly racist threads ("Why are n-----s dumb?" etc.) since day 1 pretty much.)

But moderators make mistakes and find their own ways of dealing with things and in the end not much harm is done (usually) so I'm not saying Sterling was wrong, whatever he's done (I haven't looked).

Making lots of ppl mods was done partly because some people will say 'fuck it too much work it's not for me after all' and give up, and we'll be left with some good ones.

You shouldn't moderate threads where your moderation is being criticised, I think. Leave that to someone else.

I think Sterling is a great person to be a mod because he has a good idea of what makes ILM work (i.e. agrees with me about it I think).

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

so why ain't you posting more - more work or turned 30?

in any case, your insight (esp. musical) is decidedly missed round heah

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

He is, however, breaking the only one post per person per day rule, and PLEASE could someone as a moderator remind him that these are the rules? If he insists on posting multiple threads per day then I think you're perfectly justified in deleting every thread but the first.

He has the right to be a total fucking ass. He does not have the right to violate rules which were brought about to stop the destruction of ILM.

― kate, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed - it wouldn't be nearly as obnoxious if there weren't so many dumb sexist threads; it tilts the ILM tedium quotient out of whack

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

it's also just creepy as hell; if I was a female posting on ILM I don't know what I'd think about half the threads being some variation on 'rock chicks I'd like to bang' or 'check out Meg's rack'. I'm not saying those kind of threads are taboo but to have half the board cluttered up with it is, intentional or not, hostile to a good segment of the posters.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I just roll my eyes. Really, I find this meta-mod stuff much more tedious.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I know I may seem like I'm flip-flopping on this, but multiple threads like this *do* make it a hostile posting environment for a women. Or maybe I've just not had enough sleep today.

But we're not debating the finer points of what constitutes a hostile posting environment here - he is breaking the rules, and this warrants moderation. Because if people see *him* getting away with multiple threads per day, what's to stop everyone from posting multiple threads, and then it will be chaos and ILM will be swamped by rubbish again.

No one makes you read the ONE meta thread, JBR.

― kate, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I generally don't, Kate, but I am a mod, so I pop in time and again to see if there are any requests (this is a "shout for the moderator" thread, after all).

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish there was as much imagination and discussion put into thinking of good ideas for threads as there evidently is in policing them. (haha I want ILx to be post-Mod.)

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I sort of wish there could be one thread for requests and another for meta-discussion -- I'm happy to be a mod but I don't necessarily care what happens to the trolls.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not as worried about a descent into chaos, and c'mon Jody-B, the SHOUT FO DA MODERATOR thread is like ILx's Page Six, although KEEP ON don't touch the original for juice.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

**'rock chicks I'd like to bang' or 'check out Meg's rack'**

My thorts - let's get rid of sexist crap as soon as it appears. I'd happy for a moderator to exterminate this stuff immediately without debate. If it makes ILX a hostile, repulsive place it should go immediately.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't want ILx to be all vanilla and stuff - I gots no probs with this thread frinstance - Sexy rock star dreams. - and God knows how many great threads/posts could be/are offensive. I still think moderators needn't do anything with Calum, esp. since it gives him a martyr complex. my advice is either everybody just ignore him, or Sterling's Rumsfeld approach. anything with moderators though, it's like the hand of god or something, ashcroftian overtones. if b3cky lucas didn't warrant action, this guy sure don't.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

He is, however, breaking the only one post per person per day rule

There is no such rule, only a guideline.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

in any case, your insight (esp. musical) is decidedly missed round heah

Seconded.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Silly question, but why do picture posts (sometimes) show up initially, and then disappear later, leaving just the little box icon? Is the target web site blocking a cross link or something? But why would they work for a while? Thanks!

― Skottie, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

My two cents: the fewer people who know you're a moderator, the better a job you're doing.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I get confused by that too. I think there are 3 main reasons:

1. The link is dead, sometimes because (this is the case with photobox, which I used to use) it shifts the address of photos when one adds new ones to the album.

2. Remote linking is blocked, but when it worked originally, you had a version of the picture stored in your cache from previously viewing the picture in its proper context.

3. The bandwidth limit has been reached on downloads of the picture.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

4. Your using an older browser thats having issues.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

5. Jesus hates you.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum only makes fun of rockstar chicks tho, not regular chicks, aren't celebrities fair game for anything?

― dave q, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

someone please explain the difference between "check out meg's rack" and "check out julian casablancas' ass"

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

besides, i believe it was "the wonder which are the breasts of meg white" - much more poetic ;-)

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

meg white: kleenex girl wonder

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

That Casablancas Ass was a long time coming through a series of threads in which Kate's ass fixation was goarded on by other posters here. As opposed to randomly turning to everyone and posting "Wow, that Meg White Sure Has Big Titties!".

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

tomato tomahtoe

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

but yeah, we can't be selective about the laws we follow, or else i'd shoot everyone who looked at me cockeyed

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

What if they look at you quimeyed?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

we can't be selective about the laws we follow, or else i'd shoot everyone who looked at me cockeyed

I don't see what's so wrong with that.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

that's it, you're on the list perry

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, you might run out of ammo.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

''He is, however, breaking the only one post per person per day rule, and PLEASE could someone as a moderator remind him that these are the rules?''

this is not a rule surely? I rememeber the last time this was discussed and I thought 'we' had come to a conclusion that this would be a guideline but it would be nothing strict.

the other day i posted four threads for instance.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a rule if nobody likes you

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a rule if nobody likes you.

Fuck you to fuck. We like Kate plenty.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think that was in reference to Kate.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio is OTM re: the "rule." I have no firm position regarding what to do with Calum, but trying to nail him with rule like "only one post per day" instead of for his annoying-ass juvenalia or sexism is lame-o. It's like arresting Al Capone for tax evasion.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

1. The link is dead...
2. Remote linking is blocked, but when...
3. The bandwidth limit has
4. Your using an older browser thats having issues.
5. Jesus hates you

Thanks! I'm going with #1,3,5 because they're the most scientific, and I've heard that the Internet, like Tang and Poptarts, is based on Science.

― Skottie, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

OK he's an asshole but just because the board don't personally like this person does not mean we should delete the posts. God knows we'd all fucking love to delete stuff that was stupid and boring and incessant but we can't, even if the guy in question is a twat. At least he doesn't have many allies or companions.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

At least he doesn't have many allies or companions.

Well, I used to, but they've all gone to sleep like my little rabbits.

― Skottie, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

SARS

Requests have been made to delete some posts from this thread. I am very inclined to do so, but I wanted to get another opinion on which posts should go.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know about "deleting" the posts.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that thread was definitely creeping towards point of no return but I don't think it shoulda been locked, I think other posters pointing out the quasi-racist overtones would do the trick. At the same time with some of those posts (eg. Momus') if you replaced 'Chinese' with 'gays' and 'SARS' with 'AIDS', you'd have the sort of indefensible ignorance that probably would warrant thread-locking so I don't know.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha Momus is so Japanese now that he's bigoted against the Chinese, Koreans, and Okinawans.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

nabsico OTM.

Outside of Momus I don't think there was anything too worrysome on that thread -- like no real out-and-out virulence (so to speak) but rather just some ignorance.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.fimav.qc.ca/images/ven00h_2.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i was hoping to post that on the SARS thread... :-(

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting pretty paranoid about it. I jumped off a couple of London buses today because there were Chinese tourists who looked like they'd just got off the plane from Hong Kong. Every sneeze made me freeze

Where's the offensive part in there...I can't find one.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Actually Momus' post is fine, but there are some doozies in there.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

In this case I think the best thing to do is engage in discussion about this, especially as the posters I suspect yr. thinking of are very easygoing conversational types who would probably be glad to discuss what you found troublesome about their posts.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

[i.e. they will respond with nice discussion and not "well fuck you g--k-lover" or etc.]

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, re SARS, I was joking in my note to the moderators. I think there is some dicey stuff there, but in my opinion no reason to delete or lock, as long as people are willing to point out what they find unpleasant on the thread. Also, it's not like it's escalating or building into a frenzy or anything. Sorry for the confusion. Note to self: make use of sarcasm tag or Ned smiley. in the future. Sorry for the confusion.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"well fuck you geek lover"
http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/1250000/1254740.gif

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

More over-eager moderation? Just keep it coming boys!

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this the thread where you shout for the excessivor?

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Excessivore is the new fad diet.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yay nick a! i was eager to get home from work so i could say something about capone and taxes ;-)

for the record, i've got no beef with kate, i was teasing folx about the double standard. i will however experiment with fucking to fuck

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Note to self: make use of sarcasm tag or Ned smiley.

Trust me, there's a reason I deploy that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Actually Momus' post is fine, but there are some doozies in there.

I count maybe one that I might not be happy with but give me a break, mentioning race doesn't make something racist. And I will start it up in another thread again if you don't unlock it, so I leave the choice to you Dan. We got two more dead in TO yesterday, all our hospitals across the province are on emergency procedures, the TTC is dead empty and so is Chinatown (which I walk through twice everyday to get on the subway).

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I pointed out the things I found questionable on the thread itself, but again I don't think they should be removed and I think the thread ought to be unlocked.

the TTC is dead empty and so is Chinatown

what's your point there?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This is going to keep happening. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone who's done anything so far, I'm just stating that with this many new mods, many of whom are highly opinionated, there will be arguement after arguement after arguement about their decisions. Expecially when they don't consult before locking / glocking / defrocking. I can picture Tom sat somewhere laughing his ass off through concerned trousers.

Oh and my other beef is that this has long stopped being the thread where you shout for the moderator(s). I know I'm contributing to this btw so no ner ner ner.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 3 April 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

the TTC is dead empty and so is Chinatown

what's your point there?

The virus was brought to Toronto by a Chinese Canadian, many of the first few to fall ill were from that community, and now they are freak right the hell out. The first two deaths were a eldery father and son who were Chinese. That community is a part of my little corner of the world, I have a right to be concerned and I don't care if you don't think thats PC to point it out then thats tough titty.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 3 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

my tough titty appreciates your explanation.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

though in the spirit of ILX it should be your tough kitty.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm kind of heading towards unlocking it, less moderation=more and so on, also though I emailed Dan and I might wait for his reply in the spirit of consultation

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I reopened the thread, with a warning, because I think it's in the public interest to actually talk about the issue. If things get out of hand, we still have the right to delete overtly racist posts, and possibly lock the thread again.

Noodles' point is that people are worried shitless about this, and there isn't enough RATIONAL discussion about it; there's far too much hysteria about the virus and exactly the sort of finger-pointing at the Chinese community--which we're trying to avoid here--already, and it's worth more discussion. The media here has whipped people into a frenzy about the supposed origin of the bug without following through with the logistics, which means that people are scared to even go to work, and are (in their ignorance) completely avoiding Chinese businesses in the city. That's exactly why we need to talk about this in an intelligent fashion, in my opinion.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

he comes here seeking action and attention

As do I.

If you want to change the tone, you need more text, not less.

Yes.

I really can't blame Calum or B3cky for the fact that more people are interested in their posts than in mine.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Frank, I would love it if you posted more.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't cause enough mischief! Yeah, do post more

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

as long as it ain't about some goddamn codger in some bookybook! No Kuhn do, ya dig? he's should post more about the rock. and the pop.

ILM Caveman will now retreat to his domain.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeez, now it looks like I was fishing.

But anyway, here's the point: if there's a creative and interesting post on a thread, and people respond to that post, then that is what the thread will be about. If there's a stupid and upsetting post, and if that's the post that people respond to, then that's what the thread will be about. So Sterling's attempt to teach an individual a lesson is off the point; it's the group dynamic that's at issue.

Let me point out that the Jay-Z/Nas throwdowns were crawling with sexism and homophobia and never got locked (and shouldn't have been); and that the Marcello-Kate Christmas faceoff December 2001 and many threads like it were vastly more disturbing and destructive than anything B3cky fomented, but shutting them down wouldn't have helped either Marcello or Kate, or the rest of us.

Tracer has understood the issue: Moderators protecting us from difficult discussions are not doing us a service, since they prevent us (as individuals and as a community) from learning to deal with such discussions. It's the community, not the rules, that have kept this board strong and sane. Individual trolls simply are not a threat. If someone's under attack, other members of the community can support them, either on-thread or by email.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Sterling, some lunatic claims here that L'Trimm's Drop That Bottom is the best album ever by anyone in hip hop. Clearly just an attention-seeking troll; still, you shouldn't lock the thread yet, unless the fucker starts really going crazy (like claiming that Rakim is the most overrated, dry boring fart in hip hop, or something).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

take it elsewhere you racist

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 April 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(I just want to note that my Momus joke was not in the least meant to be pointed or say anything about all of this. It was Momus, it had to be done.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 3 April 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was funny as hell!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 April 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

A new admin tool for everyone:

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, I've been clicking it for ten minutes and it's like a hydra's head... IT KEEPS GROWING BACK!!! AAARRRGGHHHH!! TWELVE FOOT SQUID!!!

― kate, Thursday, 3 April 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

this is an odd thing to ask a mod to do, but the original b*ngb*s thread now has a redirect to scientology.org. considering how often that thread gets googled, i'd hate to have all those redirects from ilxor showing up on their server.

i was trying to find the web-bug for that thread, since you asked

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

actually it does seem to be tailing off...

http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp?action=stats&site=s12iloveeverything&report=33

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Alang T is a genius.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I put one of those sitemeter trackers on a thread once. I can't remember which one. Fat/skinny girls for ethan perhaps.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 April 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

for the record, i've got no beef with kate

Yeah, sorry about that.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 3 April 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the 800th post on this thread. We beat Christgau! Now onto Jay-Z/Nas.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

we aim high here!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well said, Kogan.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry folks. I got tied up in rehearsals and personal stuff and kind of forgot ILX existed (which was why I left the note telling other moderators to feel free to override me; I knew there was an off-chance I'd get side-tracked).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Noodles: I didn't have a problem with your post(s). I'm glad you introduced the topic and let ILx know what's going on in Toronto. Nabs. I didn't have a problem with your post either.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I seldom AIM high, though there have been a few occasions

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha Alan, How about Delete the Internet?

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

By request:

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember the last thing I moderated.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Stunning!

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 3 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I know! My life is just excess!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi. Could someone please delete my typo on the ILM drummers picture thread (second last post). Thanx.

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 6 April 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, the bottom two posts I made (they could tell that quickly that I was linking the pic to ILM? Weird.) can go. THANK YOU!!!

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 6 April 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

A couple of points. These are just my opinions, and I've not consulted with fellow mods, but:
1. That's a big thread with lots of pics, so takes a while to load. A link to one of the posts you wanted removing would have been very helpful - right-click on link, copy shortcut, paste into your post.
2. Whyever should these be deleted? What possible harm are they doing? Indeed, would the first not allow people to find the pic you wanted?
(This is part of my belief that we mods have been doing too much lately.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I can see it's just a link that doesn't work.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 6 April 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry. I just thought the first one made a mess of things, and the second one worked for a couple of minutes and then went away. I didn't mean to be a pest. Carry on.

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 6 April 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm getting death threat emails from a certain ajcm@softcom.net you can see the thread where he starts it anyway - Why are there so many stupid people on the internet?

let me know if you need a copy of the email? i dont want to make a big deal of it i just thought i should let a moderator know about it, thanks!

― rebekah (rebekah), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I'll get rid of him, I've had enough. I'm emailing you now.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi. Could someone please delete my typo on the ILM drummers picture thread (second last post). Thanx.

I don't think it's the moderators' job to correct your spelling mistakes. Type more carefully in future.

Of course, I am not a moderator.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I stupidly wrote my emailin the blank where the q was supposed to be (OP10 - Police) - could you change that pls? thanx!!!!

― dave q, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Done

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoops, I think I just dunnit too. Oh well.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry Andrew)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems done either way, so we all win

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't see anything on the all new what are you listening to thread.

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Looks fine to me...Is it loading at all and THEN disappearing? Does the page have a title in the bar, or on the page itself? What's the last thing you see?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Can one of the moderators delete my ILE thread entitled "Is there a hermeneutics of contemporary album titles"? I reposted it to ILM as I had posted it to ILE by mistake.

Thanks!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

your wish is my command, monsignor

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Thankee!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone add the double-quote which will make Tick, Tick, (masonic) BOOM! actually work? just after the URL in the last link.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

OK.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheers. Our ring of geosynchronous moderators pays off again.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone delete me?

― Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i think mine's broken

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You know seeing as how I'm the man of the moment here and just, blurry eyed, logged on I figured I'd state a few things:

Firstly, and I've said this before, I'm not sexist. Only an assclown like Sterling can think that. I'm fed of explaining why I'm not sexist - but if you take a look at my threads you'll see there is nothing being said against women that is not being said about men either (I've had some digs at various male celebs too). Also, the threads are so over the top ludicrious that I honestly do get shocked when some moron comes along and says (with their wonderful psuedo-liberalism): "Oh my God, there's women on this forum and you talk about Missy Elliot being a bit on the smelly side how DARE you?" Likewise, someone once said I was homophobic for, crimes of crimes, insinuating that feeling attracted to Cerys Matthews might indicate you like to be manhandled. I'm still confused over why this would make me a homophobe but I'm really hoping to find out because I consider myself to have no prejudices at all and hold this quite proudly.

Also, Kate was one member moaning about my threads. But I see she can post, on ILE, 'Christ I'm can hardly walk this morning' and then go on about how she's had a good shagging in the thread content or start a thread called 'Kate's bored let's talk about ARSE'. I mean, the sex threads on ILE are a lot more explicit and real than any of the cartoonish stuff I've posted which is there to maybe make you chuckle but certainly not for some idiot like Sterling to start whining about as if the guy's never fucking lived! Christ man, go to an amatuer comedy night or walk into Soho Square or something! It's just really sad that someone so repressed and easily shocked exists. I almost want to show him a few episodes of Jam or Brass Eye or send him The Acid House or American Psycho or something. No doubt he'd have a heart attack - because it's people like this that would actually stop these sort of works being released. I find censorship a scary thing, and have rallied against it whenever I can. Sterling, remember, exists everywhere - and right now it's people like him in the Whitehouse.

But these are my points. I mean, what would happen if it had been ME and not good ol' harmless huggable Kate posting: "I just fucked some girl ALL last night and, whoooo baby, the sweat on my bed sheets and stench of used rubbers is so thick you can wash your face in it"???? Not that I'd post this because I find talking about my private life on a public forum to be really degrading to (especially) whomever my partner might be and also to myself - and I mean that, but that doesn't neccessarily mean that I'd want Kate censored or banned. It's up to her to make that decision, but if I was the guy going out with her (insert whatever you want in here, I fully expect it and could care less) I'd be VERY fucking pissed off at being discussed on a public forum.

But, hey, that's just me. Doesn't make me right or wrong. Just makes me - me. And if ILM wants to ban me (and let's face it, I'm on and off here, I'm not really a regular) then that's up to them. But where do you start and stop?

― Calum, Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone else notice that a lot of threads aren't popping up on the New Answers page?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, I'd just like to say I'm sorry for that one thread like a week or so ago with the C word in it. I know this sounds weak, but I was really, really tired when I posted that. Like, it was something like 5am and I'd had like three hours of sleep the night before. I know it's no excuse. I really wasn't trying to troll, I was just in such a state that I thought at the time that it made sense somehow. I was really relieved to find that it had (I thought) passed almost entirely without comment. Everyone greeted it with silence, like a smelly fart in a crowded room, and for that I thank you all.

― Dan I., Sunday, 13 April 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Just to nail the main self-pitying lie that Calum repeatedly deals in, at no point has ILM considered banning him (or anyone else). Two posters have in the past requested that they *themselves* be banned: one was but has (I'm delighted to say) found other ways to post; the other resumed posting before the ban took effect, and it was set aside.

Posts containing unflagged porn images — and also certain kinds of html tricks and redirects etc — get deleted because their presence directly limits the freedom of other posters (for example, to post from work, or from ancient computers).

I'm sorry you feel so put upon Calum, though I think it's basically your own fault. I think your attention-seeking game — of trying to make ILM more like the rest of the internet — irritated a lot of different kinds of people who like ILM bcz they feel it's a haven from the rest of the net, and they have reacted in an entirely unsurprising "pseudo-liberal" way - they have, after all, heard almost everything you have to say a hundred times before, often said more amusingly. Other people think you're a comical nitwit, others just ignore you and get on with their own discussions. Possibly it's true that the only way you'll ever be paid much attention is by repeat-posting the same shrill joke over and over and over again, and thus avoiding the pitfalls of attempted originality or insight — this seems a bit sad and unambitious on your part, but like you say, you're you.

Full as they are of funny and smart ppl, these boards are also in fact open to the repressed, the lonely, the shy, the battered, the ugly, the old, the not-very-bright, the uncool (ie, to all of us, at certain times) — if this fact is upsetting to you, well, the limits of your own liberalism are actually stamped all over your behaviour. If ppl who choose to participate in reasonably open discussion groups are genuinely interested in open discussion, and not simply in the reactive or bullying mockery of all who faintly differ from them (including those who lack their sometimes ungrounded self-confidence in the sound of their own voice and the novelty of their seemingly endless conventional opinions), such ppl should probably also learn ways of listening out for how THEY THEMSELVES might be chilling or halting the more unusual bits of the discussion, driving people away before they've ever heard what they had to say.

The only thing you and I have actually argued about that I recall is sexuality, about which I — being very old and jaded and unchoosy — know a lot, and you — being young and still overtly frightened and pompous — know very little. I stopped bothering arguing with you about it because I realised all I would get back from you was lame stuff you'd read and liked the sound of — that it was a lot too early for you to have learnt how to be genuinely honest or open about this kind of stuff, with yourself above all. Also you're unusually bad at reading other people's posts accurately, let alone thoughtfully.

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

burn!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - again I think the problem has more to do with how unfunny said threads (which seem to have dissipated or become unnoticeable) were more than they're offensiveness, though the one may be tied into the other.

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

But Mark old boy there go these assumptions again! If you knew me you'd know I'm very comfortable with all issues of sexuality! I just kinda see these mad things as a bit of a laugh, and why not, but hey as such a sex guru how can I argue with ya? Young and frightened? Not me. But, hey, whatever you want to believe old God of sex! I worship ye! Bow! Bow!

― Calum, Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum, you especially know that what you wrote in your last two posts is bullshit. Just stop it.

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Graham, of course it is bullshit but I don't think Calum thinks that at all. How many times have you heard people say "I'm not racist but" and how many times have they gone on to say something undoubtedly racist? They seem to me to go together almost inevitably. I've not seen anything to suggest Calum is at all racist - I am trying to say that there are an awful lot of misogynists and homophobes who would deny being anything of the sort. This "it's just a joke" excuse may have been discredited years, maybe decades ago, in most thinking circles, but clearly that's not where Calum exists.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin, I think the people you refer to are either in denial or just insecure. They don't want to be seen as racists, and they probably don't want to think of themselves as racist, but they know as well as anyone else that they probably are.

Calum knows exactly what he's doing, and he may be trying to hide it as "just a joke", or a challenge to pseudo liberals, but he knows also that he's just being an annoying twat.

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

He may know that he is being an annoying twat - that is very hard to miss - but I am inclined to believe that he really thinks he is not sexist, for instance. Still, we are both just guessing. I think for me it seems more sensible to deal with Calum as if he is at least being truthful when he paints himself as being truthful, whether he is or not. The problem finally isn't whether Calum thinks he is an immature misogynist twat, the problem is that he is an immature misogynist twat.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is Martin I wouldn't assume anything about you. If I were I'd have to conclude you are an arrogant little fat nobody who would benefit greatly from being hit by a bus.

But again, I stress, you really should take a long hard look at your record collection. If in the weird world of ILM a thread about Missy Elliot's gynaecologist is perceived as sexist I think you need to put a lot of your CDs in the bin. Don't you know that rock and roll is sexist and most male rock stars are (sssh, whisper this) in it for the carnal pleasures?

And this immature twat is probably 100 times more well read than you are.

― Calum, Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

whatta bore

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

given Mr. Skidmore's contributions to the more bookish threads on ILE, Calum, I'd guess you're frankly not entirely on the money there.

― thom west (thom w), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is getting a bit long and unwieldy (not to mention off-topic), so i'm starting a new moderator thread and locking this one

if you want to continue this discussion on a separate thread, by my guest: don't put it on the new moderator thread, if you don't mind

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

CALUM, YOU'RE A DICK.

[lock it now, mark s, now].

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

RJG - YOU ARE A BIG HAIRY SCROTUM

― Calum, Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

always quoting Mailer

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.disturbingauctions.com/view.php?item=11

― ron (ron), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

We really should lock this, now that there is a new one, so I will. I'll resist the temptation to get a final dig in at Calum.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

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